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Friends of Classic London Buses of the Fifties for Those Actively Involved in Or Supporting the Preservation of London Buses, Coaches and Trolleybuses of the Past Friends of Classic London Buses of the Fifties For those actively involved in or supporting the preservation of London buses, coaches and trolleybuses of the past T 785, a green Country bus, working Central route 201 from Norbiton (NB 2 running number) to Kingston demonstrates the saloon entrance door which, for use on Central area routes, had to be kept locked in the open position to satisfy the Metropolitan Police, who had far too much say over bus operation in their area for far too long. Note the route number stencil over the entrance. This photograph is, I seem to remember, another of the collection we discovered in the archives at the museum in St Helens some years ago and as with many of the others, we don't know the photographer, date or location of the shot although I expect some of our experts will be able to help with at least the latter two items. Newsletter 176 April 2021 Opening Lines Perhaps unsurprisingly, we didn't get everything entirely correct in the previous Newsletter when we notified everyone of Peter Gomm's death. It appears that he had three children, not four and also he had been involved at one stage in the ownership of another RF, 627, a fact I discovered while looking through a PSV Circle publication for some other information. I am also grateful to Paul Fleet for reminding me that Peter's first known attempt at bus and coach preservation was not with a London bus at all, but a former East Kent 1948 Leyland PS1/1 with Park Royal rear-entrance coachwork. This used to stand forlorn and apparently unwanted in a yard off the A6 on the way to Luton until Peter bought it. He passed it on to a Mr Saunders who lived in St Albans and kept the vehicle on his driveway, where I saw it and indeed met Mr Saunders an several occasions. Eventually the restored vehicle then found its way to Ward Jones at High Wycombe who, I believe, still has it. Incidentally, the gentleman at St Albans claimed to be the inventor of the Avdel rivet or monobolt which played such a part in the construction of the Leyland National and he showed me a hand-made prototype of the fixing tool for these things. This relied on hand power whereas of course production tools were normally pneumatic. Now, having set the record slightly more straight, let us proceed with some more reminiscences and then material omitted from Newsletter 175 for reasons of space – or a lack of it. Finally, the photo of Peter on the back of a bus featured David Thrower's RT 2794 and not as stated. 1 Peter Gomm – A Postscript Paul Fleet Just one more memory of Peter from me. In my ‘full time’ working life I have always been within the rail industry. In the middle 1980s I was a Station Manager, and during my time at Luton, British Rail were promoting a new video to deter children from trespassing on the railway, and of course staying clear of 25kV overhead wires, which were relatively new on the scene in that area. I had made an appointment to visit Harlington Upper School, which was not far from the railway itself. The usual format was that to do the presentation one was included as part of the school assembly. On arrival, I pulled into the car park and immediately espied RF 146. When welcomed by the Headmaster I made a comment about it and he said “Oh, that’s for sale…but no one seems to want it…” I think that was a Wednesday; when driving past the school the following Monday I noticed it had gone. I’d only mentioned it to one person in the meantime – yes, that was Peter – and he had saved yet another one. Peter was never one to procrastinate, and this was a good example – get in, buy it, get out, almost regardless of condition. Well done that man! [It is perhaps worth pointing out that none of Peter's buses were owned by him, but by “Groups”; RF 308 was owned by the RF 308 Group, for instance. This particular “group” was his mother, and I believe the “RF 146 Group” was his brother. I am unsure why he did this, but he must have had his reasons. - Ed] Peter Gomm Chris Wills I first met Peter at the occasion of the 150th. anniversary of Hertford East station on 31st. October 1993. He had arranged a small event based on Hertford East Station using, Dave Johnson's RT 3496, RF 308 and GS 17, giving free rides around Hertford. Being determined to sample all three routes and vehicles, I ended up on RT 3496, driven by Dave and conducted by his wife Pam. Sitting on the nearside long seat at the back I had a very nice a long chat with Pam who was extremely friendly about owning a bus and the Register. During this conversation, I asked if you needed to be a bus owner to Join the RT/RF Register, her reply was that she wasn't sure, but that I should talk to Peter when we got back to Hertford East Station. This I did and Peter said that I could Join the Register without a bus, so I did. Not having a bus of my own at this time, but holding a PSV licence, (it still was in those days), with my new contacts through Peter, I managed to get drives of other people's buses. Chiefly RF 308, which I took up to the North Norfolk Railway on a number of occasions for their "Thomas" weekends. Again through Peter I was introduced to Brian Simmonds at the first Hertford Running Day held on 12th. September 1999 and had the pleasure of driving RT 3254 on the 395 and 341 routes. This was my first introduction to RT 3254 and also my introduction to Tony Quince, who Brian and his son David worked for restoring mainly RTs and RFs. I had quite few drives for Tony as well as RF 308 to various rallies during this time; also I bought RF 512 in March 1999, but owing to its condition, I still relied on other bus owners for a drive. As a schoolboy, my ambition was to own my own RT and having grown up firstly near Guildford and then latterly in Stevenage, it had to be a green one. Thanks to my association with Peter and the Register I finally managed to achieve this ambition when RT 3254 was put up for sale in the Newsletter, with Brian Simmonds as the go-between. After a few false starts I managed to finalise the deal and set off with a friend of mine to collect it from Sutton Coldfield and drive it back home. The longest single trip in both miles and time, I have ever done in a bus. So in November 2005, I had finally managed to achieve my childhood ambition and I am sure that the seeds that were sown between Peter and myself 8 years earlier at Hertford East had played a large part in the situation today. I will always be thankful to Peter for the part he has played in my time in bus ownership/preservation. My very last contact with Peter, was last Christmas, when I received a Christmas card from him with some cash enclosed asking me for a copy of my book. I am very pleased that I managed to comply with his request in time for him to enJoy it. 2 Like all his friends and acquaintances my condolences to his family and he will be greatly missed. Above: Paul Fleet's photo, taken on 27th November 1989, shows GS 17 being collected from Gamlingay. Peter Thatcher on the right is explaining something as he handed the bus over to our hero who wanted to get away. What was Peter G thinking at the time? Answers on a postcard (or the back of a £5 note.....). Remember RT50 (1989) – and its four offspring rallies John A Gray David Thrower’s reminiscences of that outstanding 1989 event in Newsletter 174 call to mind the series of subsequent rallies put together by owners of buses that belonged to the RT/RF Register. Three were based on Staines (“RF40”, 26.5.91; “RT/RF Register’s Tribute to Sixty Years of LT”, 30.5.93; and “Staines 95”), 8.10.95 and one on Chertsey (“Black Cherry Fair – Chertsey 97”, 13.7.97). I still have a few of each of the programmes. If you’d like to be taken back to these times, for a free copy Just send a large (8 1/2” x 6 1/4”) s.a.e. (Large Stamp) with a note to say which of them you’d like to me at 19 Field Way, Cambridge, CB1 8RW. The 1991 and 1993 programmes include details of those LT buses and coaches booked to attend. Trolleybuses and a Fallen Tree Steve Boulding When I was about 7 or 8, I'd been allowed to go off for a ride on my new bike after church on Sunday. It would have been about March, and very windy. By the time I'd done the two miles or so from Kenilworth Avenue, Wimbledon Park where we lived (nice and adJacent to both the main line by the concrete flyover and the west end of East Wimbledon Depot, as well as the District Line, along which there were frequent movements of SR EMUs ecs, as well as Q1 and U15 hauled freights having come via Point Pleasant Jct.
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