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Legislative Assembly of Alberta the 30Th Legislature Second Session Legislative Assembly of Alberta The 30th Legislature Second Session Select Special Democratic Accountability Committee Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5 p.m. Transcript No. 30-2-2 Legislative Assembly of Alberta The 30th Legislature Second Session Select Special Democratic Accountability Committee Schow, Joseph R., Cardston-Siksika (UCP), Chair Horner, Nate S., Drumheller-Stettler (UCP), Deputy Chair Allard, Tracy L., Grande Prairie (UCP) Ceci, Joe, Calgary-Buffalo (NDP) Dang, Thomas, Edmonton-South (NDP) Goodridge, Laila, Fort McMurray-Lac La Biche (UCP) Nixon, Jeremy P., Calgary-Klein (UCP) Pancholi, Rakhi, Edmonton-Whitemud (NDP) Rutherford, Brad, Leduc-Beaumont (UCP) Sigurdson, R.J., Highwood (UCP) Smith, Mark W., Drayton Valley-Devon (UCP) Stephan, Jason, Red Deer-South (UCP)* Sweet, Heather, Edmonton-Manning (NDP) * substitution for Brad Rutherford Support Staff Shannon Dean, QC Clerk Stephanie LeBlanc Clerk Assistant and Senior Parliamentary Counsel Teri Cherkewich Law Clerk Trafton Koenig Parliamentary Counsel Philip Massolin Clerk of Committees and Research Services Sarah Amato Research Officer Nancy Robert Research Officer Michael Kulicki Committee Clerk Jody Rempel Committee Clerk Aaron Roth Committee Clerk Rhonda Sorensen Manager of Corporate Communications Jeanette Dotimas Communications Consultant Tracey Sales Communications Consultant Janet Schwegel Director of Parliamentary Programs Amanda LeBlanc Deputy Editor of Alberta Hansard Transcript produced by Alberta Hansard July 22, 2020 Democratic Accountability DA-13 5 p.m. Wednesday, July 22, 2020 Seeing none, would a member please move a motion to approve Title: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 da our agenda? Ms Goodridge has moved that the agenda for the July [Mr. Schow in the chair] 22, 2020, meeting of the Select Special Democratic Accountability Committee be adopted as distributed. All those in favour, please say The Chair: Okay. I’d like to call this meeting to order. Welcome aye. All those opposed? On the phone, in favour? Great. to the members and staff in attendance for the orientation meeting Now item 3, approval of minutes from the July 13, 2020, of the Select Special Democratic Accountability Committee. meeting. We have draft minutes of our last meeting, which were My name is Joseph Schow, and I am the MLA for Cardston- posted to the committee’s internal website for members’ review. Siksika and chair of this committee. I am now going to ask members Are there any errors or omissions to note in the draft minutes? joining the committee at the table to introduce themselves, starting Seeing none, would a member please move a motion to adopt the on my right. minutes? Mr. Smith has moved that the minutes from the July 13, 2020, meeting of the Select Special Democratic Accountability Mr. Horner: Nate Horner, MLA, Drumheller-Stettler. Committee be adopted as distributed. All those in favour, please say Mrs. Allard: Tracy Allard, MLA, Grande Prairie. aye. All those opposed? On the phone? Thank you. That motion is carried. Ms Goodridge: Laila Goodridge, MLA, Fort McMurray-Lac La The previous motion, to adopt the agenda, was also carried for Biche. the record. Moving on to item 4 of the agenda, briefings and research for Mr. Smith: Mark Smith, MLA, Drayton Valley-Devon. review arising from Government Motion 25, stakeholder and other input, hon. members, at the July 13, 2020, meeting of the committee Mr. Jeremy Nixon: Jeremy Nixon, Calgary-Klein. we had reached the portion of the agenda where members were Mr. Sigurdson: R.J. Sigurdson, Highwood. discussing and proposing motions in regard to inviting stakeholder submissions and other input, either orally or in writing, to the Mr. Stephan: MLA Jason Stephan, Red Deer-South, substituting committee as part of our review pursuant to Government Motion for Brad Rutherford. 25. I would like to open the floor to any additional discussion on this matter. Ms Sweet: Good evening. Heather Sweet, MLA, Edmonton- Manning. Mr. Horner: I’d like to make a motion, Chair, when it’s approp- riate. Mr. Dang: Good evening. Thomas Dang, Edmonton-South. The Chair: I see Mr. Horner first. Member Ceci: Good evening. Joe Ceci, Calgary-Buffalo. Mr. Horner: Sure. Yeah. If it is the appropriate time to move a Ms Sorensen: Rhonda Sorensen, manager of corporate communi- motion, I would move the motion that was formerly number 3 from cations at the LAO. our last meeting, and I’d read it aloud: that the Select Special Democratic Accountability Committee Ms Cherkewich: Good evening. Teri Cherkewich, Parliamentary authorize the subcommittee on committee business to develop a Counsel office. stakeholder list based on the focus issues identified. Dr. Massolin: Good afternoon. Philip Massolin, clerk of The Chair: Okay. The motion is on the screen. That is a debatable committees and research services. motion. Any comments that someone would like to make? Mr. Dang. Mr. Roth: Hello. Aaron Roth, committee clerk. Mr. Dang: Thank you, Mr. Chair. I have some serious concerns The Chair: Thank you, everyone at the table. with this motion. I think that, certainly, we had concerns in the We’ll now go to those who are on the phone or joining us by subcommittee meeting, in private, to discuss these focus issues video conference. already, and we continue to have those concerns, that with the makeup of the subcommittee and the structure of the subcommittee Ms Pancholi: Good evening. Rakhi Pancholi, MLA for Edmonton- it’s unclear and unknown if any caucus members will have their Whitemud. input considered or even, frankly, allowed because subcommittees can meet without any ND members present. The Official The Chair: Thank you, Member Pancholi, for joining us. Opposition may not even have the opportunity to have its voice on I also note the following substitution for the record: Mr. Stephan this, and I think that’s quite a concern in terms of the focus issues is here for Mr. Rutherford, as he said in his introduction. and compiling stakeholders to speak to the focus issues. Based upon the recommendations from Dr. Deena Hinshaw At the last meeting the UCP members on this committee even regarding physical distancing, attendees at today’s meeting are voted down my motion for public input on the focus issues in terms advised to leave the appropriate distance between themselves and of requesting information from stakeholders or members of the other meeting participants. Please note that the microphones are general public, so I think it’s a little bit rich that they would be operated by Hansard, so members do not need to turn them on and trying to keep hiding this under the cover of the subcommittee off as they speak. Committee proceedings are being live without any official record here. audiostreamed on the Internet. Please set your cellphones and other I mean, let’s be clear. This is input on democracy laws – right? – devices to silent for the duration of the meeting. That also means the very foundation of the work we do here in the Assembly and me; all set. laws that will impact public participation. So for the UCP members Okay. We’ll move on now to agenda item 2, approval of the here to call this enhanced democratic participation, and now that agenda. Does anyone have any changes to make? the subcommittee is to decide the stakeholders based on an in-the- DA-14 Democratic Accountability July 22, 2020 shadows review that the main committee hasn’t even approved yet consent of this committee to actually do any of that type of work. I – so we don’t even know what the finished focus issues will be. We mean, when the members opposite such as Mr. Nixon voted down don’t know if the Official Opposition will be involved in those last week the requirement for a single member of the ND caucus, discussions, and now we’re already deciding that those stakeholders the Official Opposition, to be even present at a subcommittee for it will be approved without knowing what those issues will be. This to meet, I think it’s a little bit rich that he talks about showing up is something that’s simply unheard of, right? for work when he doesn’t even respect the quorum requirements I mean, it seems that this committee is only going to rubber-stamp that have become precedent in this place. I think, certainly, there’s what’s done in the shadows by the UCP majority in the also a concern that if there was to be a tour of some sort or other subcommittee, and I think that’s very concerning for us. I think that types of consultation by the subcommittee, it will not be on the we shouldn’t be doing this off the record, and we shouldn’t be doing record. It’s going to be behind closed doors, and Albertans will not this behind closed doors. be able to refer to things like Alberta Hansard as the members opposite voted down those decisions, again at the last committee The Chair: Okay. Are there any other comments regarding this meeting. motion? 5:10 Mr. Jeremy Nixon: I think it’s fairly standard to push stuff like this So to say that we have all these opportunities for public onto the subcommittee. There will be NDP members on that consultation and openness and transparency is simply not true. It’s subcommittee that will be there to be able to bring voices from their very clear that the UCP government here and the UCP majority perspective, caucus and make suggestions with regard to members here are trying to actually stifle that freedom of speech, stakeholders. So I just highly recommend that they actually show are actually trying to stifle the light being shone on what’s being up to that subcommittee meeting so that they can make sure their done in the subcommittee, and it’s going to be done under the cover voices are heard.
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