A Conversation With...Niles Eldredge
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Downloaded from http://online.ucpress.edu/abt/article-pdf/52/5/264/45012/4449106.pdf by guest on 25 September 2021 Neil A. Campbell "It wasn't really a matter of seeking out a museum A lthough many working scientists are affiliatedwith a univer- environment or museum career. I came up under a sity or college, some conduct their researchin unusual settings. Niles Eldredgeis a paleontologistat the AmericanMuseum of Nat- programthat we still have-part American Museum ural History in New York City where he is the curatorof the In- of NaturalHistory, part ColumbiaUniversity. At that vertebrateCollection. For more than 20 years, Eldredgehas con- time the museum curators were simultaneously full ducted research, maintainedthe integrityof the collectionand in- teractedwith the museum's many visitors. faculty members as opposed to being adjuncts the Eldredge, a general session speaker at NABT's 1990 national way we are now. So it was natural for me to join the convention in Houston, is perhapsbest known for his work on the faculty at Columbiaat the same time that I joined the controversialtheory, punctuatedequilibrium. In addition to his researchand responsibilitiesat the museum, museum. Of course, there are certain aspects of uni- Eldredge has authored nine books on evolutionary theory for a versity life that you don't have here: the extensive general audience. teaching, for instance. Here you teach if and when you want. From the point of view of scientific re- Dr. Eldredge, could you tell us about your own edu- search, the great part about this museum is that it is cation and how your interest in science and paleon- first and foremost a research institute. Many people tology developed? have left university environments to come here be- "My interest in natural history and dinosaurs was cause of the emphasis on research." just about like that of most kids who grew up in the 1950s. A really important thing happened to me Are there other advantages to a museum appoint- when I went to college at Columbia University in ment besides the extra time you have for research? New York City. I took a paleontology course in my "It gives you the opportunity for closer contact with junior year, and I became very deeply involved with the public through exhibitions and educational pro- it. I think I had decided to become an academic al- grams. For example, I like to go on the museum's most before I picked a field, and then I got swept educational cruises and hang over the ship's rail and away with circumstance and found a field very have a beer with people and talk about fossils, evolu- quickly for which I developed a real, intense love- tion and so on, and admit that I don't always know invertebrate fossils. There are literally trillions of all the answers." them out there, so it looked like a wonderful oppor- tunity." This interview is the last in a series excerpted from con- versations between eminent biologists and Neil A. Camp- bell, author of the textbook Biology(Benjamin/Cummings And now you're a curatorin the Department of In- Publishing Co., Redwood City, CA). The interviews are from the second edition of Biology. vertebrateshere at the American Museum of Natural Campbellhas taught general biology at CornellUniversity, History in New York. Most academics opt for uni- Pomona College and San BemardinoValley College. He is versity careers. How is it that you decided on a mu- now at the University of California,Riverside. seum? 264 THE AMERICANBIOLOGY TEACHER, VOLUME 52, NO. 5, MAY1990 What does it actually mean to be curatorof inverte- public, in 1982, was TheMonkey Business. I got drawn brates? into that because I found myself unwittingly being "The first obligation of a curatoris original scientific used by the creationism movement. I had given an research. Service to the museum comes next and in a interview in which I was attempting to say that I collection-based department such as ours, that thought it would be appropriatefor a high school bi- means maintaining the collections. The museum is ology teacher getting into evolution to acknowledge really a library of natural history items. Curators that creationistbeliefs exist, that students may have have a mission to maintain these collections as a sort such religious beliefs but that they would be ex- of a public sacred trust. You have to have a commit- pected nonetheless to study what science says about ment to the importance of the work that revolves evolution. My position was misrepresented as sup- around the collections before you work in a museum. porting the teaching of creationismin high schools. I Computerizing the collections is another task. We felt embarrassed and used. I got mad and wrote a have an on-line collection inventory that people can little article for the New Republicand then later ex- call from all over the country. The scientific staff is panded it into a book. As I was doing this, I found also responsible for the veracity of the content of the out that I had to be able to explain to anybody what exhibits. There are normal administrative duties, the basics of evolution were, and that turned out to teaching at institutions in the vicinity, giving lectures not be as easy as I had thought. I also realized that a Downloaded from http://online.ucpress.edu/abt/article-pdf/52/5/264/45012/4449106.pdf by guest on 25 September 2021 and so on. And of course, field work takes us out of lot of my colleagues were in the same boat, and I the museum." thought that it was incumbent upon all of us to try to address this communicationproblem. The museum is setting up a laboratoryfor molecular When you write for the general public you can systematics. How do you think molecular biology write for intelligent people who don't share all the will influence modern evolutionary biology? special training in a field and still write things that "In several ways. Molecularbiology gives us insight are very interesting and from which readers can into things we can't see with our old technology, and learn. Another side of this is that you can take your this potential is very exciting. What is even more in- message to the intellectual world by spreading it teresting to me is to see molecular biologists who even more widely. Several times in my careerI have don't want to be just molecular biologists, but are had colleagues point to a general piece of writing and thinking, 'This has to have some evolutionaryimpli- say, 'That is the first time I have ever really under- cations.' It is quite obvious already from gene se- stood that point.' The mid-ground, as I see it, is the quencing data that there are greatersimilarities in the fact that I am always writing for students." sequences between organisms that share a relatively recent common ancestor. And comparisons of DNA There has been a revival of interest in paleontology can be used to assess more distant relationships.The in the past 10 years or so. How do you account for reason I am particularly interested in seeing this this? work done in our department is that invertebrates "That is an intriguing question, and I don't have a were already differentiated into the major phyla pat answer. Traditionally,paleontologists have been about 600 million years ago. I am hoping that the content to describe the contents, the furniture,of the data for highly conserved sequences of DNA will world and have not been too concerned about cause. help us analyze the evolutionary relationships be- They write about what has happened and pay less tween the major groups of invertebrates." attention to how or why it happened. In the 70s they started talking about causal relationshipsrather than Are there opportunities for undergraduatesor new simply describingfossils. In addition, they didn't just graduates to intern in natural history museums? take a body of biological theory on faith and use it to "We have had a graduate/undergraduate research explain the fossil data; they looked at the fossil data program;I started here in that program. It is not re- and asked, 'What does this tell us about the theory?' stricted to summer, though it is used mostly during This made paleontology more exciting. By the late the summer. In addition, the museum is now giving 70s there were rumblings from the paleontological pre-doctoralfellowships. It is incumbent upon us to community about the nature of the evolutionarypro- train our successors. We have to become even more cess, and biologists and geneticists were beginning to dedicated to an educational approach than we have take notice. At the same time, creationism was re- been." surfacing, and the creationistswere quoting the new theory called "punctuated equilibrium."We "Punc Dr. Eldredge, you have written several books for Eeeks"-Stephen Jay Gould, Steven Stanley, myself non-scientists. What moves you to write for the gen- and a number of other people-seemed to give aid eral audience? and succor to the enemy by daring to criticize the "One of the first books that I wrote for the general Darwinian message, when in fact we were turning ELDREDGE 265 out to be some of the more vocal, more visible anti- of species changed. If it is not possible to relocateto a creationists. So that brought paleontologists back tolerable environment, then extinction is the next into view. And then there is the phenomenon of Ste- most likely thing. The least likely thing is for a phen Jay Gould himself, an exceptionally popular species to become modified in the face of a changing writer for the general audience.