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Le Jeudi 9 Novembre 1995 CANADA VOLUME 133 S NUMÉRO 258 S 1re SESSION S 35e LÉGISLATURE COMPTE RENDU OFFICIEL (HANSARD) Le jeudi 9 novembre 1995 Présidence de l’honorable Gilbert Parent TABLE DES MATIÈRES (La table des matières quotidienne des délibérations se trouve à la fin du présent numéro.) On peut consulter les Débats de la Chambre des communes et les témoignages des comités dans le réseau électronique «Parliamentary Internet Parlementaire» à l'adresse suivante: http://www.parl.gc.ca 16399 CHAMBRE DES COMMUNES Le jeudi 9 novembre 1995 La séance est ouverte à 10 heures. comptes publics a étudié le chapitre 9 du rapport annuel du vérificateur général pour 1994, portant sur la gestion globale des _______________ activités fédérales dans le domaine des sciences et de la techno- logie, le chapitre 10 de ce même rapport sur la gestion des Prière activités scientifiques et technologiques dans les ministères, et également le chapitre 11 portant sur la gestion du personnel _______________ scientifique dans certains établissements de recherche fédéraux. Conformément à l’article 109 du Règlement de la Chambre AFFAIRES COURANTES des communes, le Comité demande au gouvernement de déposer une réponse globale au présent rapport. [Traduction] * * * RÉPONSE DU GOUVERNEMENT À DES PÉTITIONS M. Peter Milliken (secrétaire parlementaire du leader du D (1010) gouvernement à la Chambre des communes, Lib.): Monsieur le Président, conformément au paragraphe 36(8) du Règlement, LOI SUR LA PROTECTION DES CONTRACTANTS j’ai l’honneur de déposer, dans les deux langues officielles, la DÉNONCIATEURS réponse du gouvernement à deux pétitions. M. Jean–Paul Marchand (Québec–Est, BQ) demande à pré- * * * senter le projet de loi C–356, Loi concernant la protection des contractants dénonciateurs d’actions fautives du gouvernement. DÉLÉGATIONS INTERPARLEMENTAIRES —Monsieur le Président, nous savons que plusieurs entrepri- M. Derek Wells (South Shore, Lib.): Monsieur le Président, ses privées font affaire avec le gouvernement. La sous–traitance conformément au paragraphe 34(1) du Règlement, j’ai l’honneur comprend presque 10 milliards en chiffre d’affaires, et nous de déposer, dans les deux langues officielles, le rapport du savons aussi qu’il y a beaucoup d’irrégularités dans l’attribution Groupe canadien de l’Union interparlementaire qui a représenté des contrats aux entreprises privées. Il y a même parfois des le Canada à la Conférence interparlementaire de 1995, qui s’est gestes illégaux et du gaspillage. Ce projet de loi protégerait les tenue à Bucarest du 7 au 14 octobre 1995. entreprises privées qui jugent bon de dénoncer des gestes fautifs, du gaspillage ou d’autres irrégularités du gouvernement. * * * (La motion est réputée adoptée, le projet de loi est lu pour la LES COMITÉS DE LA CHAMBRE première fois et imprimé.) JUSTICE ET AFFAIRES JURIDIQUES * * * Mme Beth Phinney (Hamilton Mountain, Lib.): Monsieur [Traduction] le Président, j’ai l’honneur de déposer, dans les deux langues officielles, le 11e rapport du Comité permanent de la justice et PÉTITIONS des affaires juridiques. Conformément à son ordre de renvoi du jeudi 5 octobre 1995, L’AIDE AU SUICIDE le comité a examiné le projet de loi C–78, Loi instituant un Mme Beth Phinney (Hamilton Mountain, Lib.): Monsieur programme de protection pour certaines personnes dans le cadre le Président, conformément à l’article 36 du Règlement, je suis de certaines enquêtes ou poursuites, et en fait rapport avec des heureuse de présenter deux pétitions signées par plus de 100 propositions d’amendement. résidents de Hamilton et de villes environnantes au sujet de [Français] l’euthanasie et de l’aide au suicide. Les signataires pressent le Parlement de garantir que les dis- COMPTES PUBLICS positions du Code criminel du Canada interdisant l’aide au suici- M. Richard Bélisle (La Prairie, BQ): Monsieur le Président, de soient vigoureusement appliquées et que le Parlement ne j’ai l’honneur de présenter le 16e rapport du Comité permanent modifie pas la loi de manière à autoriser l’aide au suicide ou des comptes publics. Dans son seizième rapport, le Comité des l’euthanasie. 16400 DÉBATS DES COMMUNES 9 novembre 1995 Initiatives ministérielles LA JUSTICE menter les services de soins palliatifs afin de les rendre accessi- Mme Beth Phinney (Hamilton Mountain, Lib.): Monsieur bles à tous les mourants au Canada. le Président, j’ai aussi des milliers de signatures de gens d’un [Français] bout à l’autre du pays au sujet des crimes avec violence. Ces pétitions reprennent celle que Mme Priscilla de Villiers avait QUESTIONS AU FEUILLETON commencée et qui a recueilli jusqu’à maintenant plus de trois M. Peter Milliken (secrétaire parlementaire du leader du millions de signatures. gouvernement à la Chambre des communes, Lib.): Monsieur Les signataires demandent au Parlement de reconnaître que le Président, je suggère que les questions soient réservées. les actes de violence commis contre la personne sont des actes Le Président: Est–on d’accord? graves et répugnants pour la société. Ils demandent que le Code criminel du Canada, la Loi de 1972 sur la réforme du cautionne- Des voix: D’accord. ment et la Loi sur la libération conditionnelle soient modifiés en conséquence. _____________________________________________ [Français] INITIATIVES MINISTÉRIELLES LES CENTRES D’EMPLOI [Traduction] M. Osvaldo Nunez (Bourassa, BQ): Monsieur le Président, si vous me le permettez, j’aimerais déposer une pétition signée LOI SUR LES ADDITIFS À BASE DE MANGANÈSE par 356 personnes de mon comté de Bourassa et de la région de Montréal concernant la fermeture du Centre d’emploi du Canada La Chambre reprend l’étude, interrompue le 8 novembre, de la situé sur la rue Papineau qui dessert mon comté de Montréal– motion: Que le projet de loi C–94, Loi régissant le commerce Nord et d’autres comtés voisins. interprovincial et l’importation à des fins commerciales de cer- taines substances à base de manganèse, soit lu pour la troisième D (1015) fois et adopté. Il s’agit en effet d’un centre qui offre des services d’une M. Keith Martin (Esquimalt—Juan de Fuca, Réf.): Monsieur qualité exceptionnelle et qui dessert une population très nom- le Président, je suis heureux d’intervenir encore une fois dans ce breuse. Alors, les personnes qui travaillent au centre ainsi que les débat sur le projet de loi C–94, Loi régissant le commerce chômeurs et les organismes communautaires demandent au gou- interprovincial et l’importation à des fins commerciales de cer- vernement de ne pas fermer ce centre d’emploi, et j’appuie taines substances à base de manganèse. fortement cette pétition. J’espère que le gouvernement reviendra Ce projet de loi a pour but d’interdire l’importation et le sur sa décision et que ce centre pourra continuer ses activités. commerce interprovincial du MMT, un additif utilisé pour rele- [Traduction] ver l’indice d’octane et servant essentiellement à réduire les émissions des véhicules automobiles. Le gouvernement prétend LA JUSTICE que le MMT endommagerait les dispositifs de bord dans les nouvelles voitures 1996. Les voitures utilisées au Canada ne M. Bob Ringma (Nanaïmo—Cowichan, Réf.): Monsieur le pourront pas utiliser de MMT, et cela à l’instigation de l’Asso- Président, je suis heureux de présenter une pétition de gens de ma ciation des fabricants de véhicules à moteur. circonscription conformément à l’article 36 du Règlement. Les pétitionnaires disent que nous devrions avoir pour but de créer La société Ethyl, qui produit du MMT, et l’industrie pétrolière une société juste et sans danger, que les questions de sécurité et affirment premièrement que le MMT n’est pas dangereux pour la de protection du public devraient être plus importantes que la santé et deuxièmement qu’il n’endommage pas les dispositifs de protection des criminels dangereux, et que les droits des victimes bord. devraient l’emporter sur les droits des criminels. La liste se Si la ministre veut interdire le MMT, il faudra qu’elle prouve poursuit. aux Canadiens que le MMT est dangereux pour la santé. Le ministère canadien de la Santé a prouvé le contraire, à savoir que Les pétitionnaires réclament l’adoption de mesures législati- ves qui réforment le système de justice criminelle et modifient la le MMT n’était pas dangereux pour la santé. Les allégations des députés de l’autre côté qui disent que le ministère de la Santé Loi sur le système correctionnel et la mise en liberté sous condi- aurait dit que le MMT est effectivement nuisible à la santé, sont tion. fausses. Encore une fois, ils ne savent pas ce qu’ils disent et leurs L’AIDE AU SUICIDE allégations ne sont pas fondées. Les faits montrent que le MMT n’est pas dangereux pour la santé. M. David Chatters (Athabasca, Réf.): Monsieur le Prési- La question importante en ce qui concerne ce projet de loi est dent, conformément à l’article 36 du Règlement, je présente une pétition au nom des habitants de la ville d’Athabasca. de savoir si le MMT endommage les dispositifs de bord. Il est amplement prouvé que non. Il n’y a qu’à voir ce qui se passe aux Les pétitionnaires demandent au Parlement de continuer à États–Unis. Nous disons vouloir que l’essence au Canada et aux rejeter l’euthanasie et le suicide avec l’aide d’un médecin, d’ap- États–Unis soit la même. Or, les États–Unis réintroduisent le pliquer rigoureusement les dispositions actuelles de l’article 241 MMT. Ils réintroduisent le MMT pour quelques raisons très du Code criminel, qui interdit de conseiller ou d’encourager le importantes: premièrement, parce qu’il n’est pas dangereux pour suicide ou d’aider quelqu’un à se suicider, et d’envisager d’aug- la santé, deuxièmement, parce qu’il n’endommage pas les dispo- 9 novembre 1995 DÉBATS DES COMMUNES 16401 Initiatives ministérielles sitifs de bord et troisièmement, parce que si nous interdisons Un autre concept intéressant est la pile à hydrogène, qui l’utilisation du MMT dans l’essence, cette mesure va avoir pour fonctionne par électrolyse d’hydrogène sulfuré ou d’eau.
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