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OFFICIAL RECORD of PROCEEDINGS Thursday, 26 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 26 March 2015 8247 OFFICIAL RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Thursday, 26 March 2015 The Council continued to meet at half-past Two o'clock MEMBERS PRESENT: THE PRESIDENT THE HONOURABLE JASPER TSANG YOK-SING, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ALBERT HO CHUN-YAN THE HONOURABLE LEE CHEUK-YAN THE HONOURABLE JAMES TO KUN-SUN THE HONOURABLE CHAN KAM-LAM, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE EMILY LAU WAI-HING, J.P. THE HONOURABLE TAM YIU-CHUNG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE FREDERICK FUNG KIN-KEE, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE VINCENT FANG KANG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG KWOK-HING, B.B.S., M.H. PROF THE HONOURABLE JOSEPH LEE KOK-LONG, S.B.S., J.P., Ph.D., R.N. THE HONOURABLE JEFFREY LAM KIN-FUNG, G.B.S., J.P. 8248 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 26 March 2015 THE HONOURABLE ANDREW LEUNG KWAN-YUEN, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG TING-KWONG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CYD HO SAU-LAN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE STARRY LEE WAI-KING, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN HAK-KAN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN KIN-POR, B.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE PRISCILLA LEUNG MEI-FUN, S.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE LEUNG KA-LAU THE HONOURABLE CHEUNG KWOK-CHE THE HONOURABLE WONG KWOK-KIN, S.B.S. THE HONOURABLE IP KWOK-HIM, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MRS REGINA IP LAU SUK-YEE, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE PAUL TSE WAI-CHUN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE ALAN LEONG KAH-KIT, S.C. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG KWOK-HUNG THE HONOURABLE ALBERT CHAN WAI-YIP THE HONOURABLE WONG YUK-MAN THE HONOURABLE CLAUDIA MO THE HONOURABLE MICHAEL TIEN PUK-SUN, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE JAMES TIEN PEI-CHUN, G.B.S., J.P. LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 26 March 2015 8249 THE HONOURABLE NG LEUNG-SING, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE STEVEN HO CHUN-YIN THE HONOURABLE FRANKIE YICK CHI-MING THE HONOURABLE WU CHI-WAI, M.H. THE HONOURABLE YIU SI-WING THE HONOURABLE GARY FAN KWOK-WAI THE HONOURABLE MA FUNG-KWOK, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHARLES PETER MOK, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN CHI-CHUEN THE HONOURABLE CHAN HAN-PAN, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE KENNETH CHAN KA-LOK THE HONOURABLE CHAN YUEN-HAN, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG CHE-CHEUNG, B.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE KENNETH LEUNG THE HONOURABLE ALICE MAK MEI-KUEN, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE KWOK KA-KI THE HONOURABLE KWOK WAI-KEUNG THE HONOURABLE DENNIS KWOK THE HONOURABLE CHRISTOPHER CHEUNG WAH-FUNG, S.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE FERNANDO CHEUNG CHIU-HUNG 8250 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 26 March 2015 THE HONOURABLE SIN CHUNG-KAI, S.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE HELENA WONG PIK-WAN THE HONOURABLE IP KIN-YUEN DR THE HONOURABLE ELIZABETH QUAT, J.P. THE HONOURABLE MARTIN LIAO CHEUNG-KONG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE POON SIU-PING, B.B.S., M.H. THE HONOURABLE TANG KA-PIU, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE CHIANG LAI-WAN, J.P. IR DR THE HONOURABLE LO WAI-KWOK, B.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHUNG KWOK-PAN THE HONOURABLE CHRISTOPHER CHUNG SHU-KUN, B.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TONY TSE WAI-CHUEN, B.B.S. MEMBERS ABSENT: THE HONOURABLE LEUNG YIU-CHUNG DR THE HONOURABLE LAU WONG-FAT, G.B.M., G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ABRAHAM SHEK LAI-HIM, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TOMMY CHEUNG YU-YAN, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE RONNY TONG KA-WAH, S.C. DR THE HONOURABLE LAM TAI-FAI, S.B.S., J.P. LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 26 March 2015 8251 PUBLIC OFFICERS ATTENDING: THE HONOURABLE GREGORY SO KAM-LEUNG, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR COMMERCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THE HONOURABLE EDDIE NG HAK-KIM, S.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR EDUCATION CLERKS IN ATTENDANCE: MR KENNETH CHEN WEI-ON, S.B.S., SECRETARY GENERAL MS ANITA SIT, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL MISS ODELIA LEUNG HING-YEE, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL 8252 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 26 March 2015 MEMBERS' MOTIONS PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Council will now continue with the debate on the motion on "Balancing the impacts of the tourism industry on the economy and people of Hong Kong". BALANCING THE IMPACTS OF THE TOURISM INDUSTRY ON THE ECONOMY AND PEOPLE OF HONG KONG Continuation of debate on motion which was moved on 25 March 2015 MS EMILY LAU (in Cantonese): President, I thank Mr Vincent FANG for proposing this motion debate. As just mentioned by the President, the title of today's motion is "Balancing the impacts of the tourism industry on the economy and people of Hong Kong". It is clear that Members of the Liberal Party are also aware of the huge impacts caused by the Individual Visit Scheme (IVS) on Hong Kong people in all aspects of life. As a matter of fact, we have been asking the authorities to tackle this problem long ago. I am really clueless as to what has or has not been done by Secretary Gregory SO such that the problem has aggravated to such an extent. President, some time ago, he told members of the public to wait for the next one or two MTR trains, and his words had attracted severe criticism from the public. That said, the Secretary can hardly be blamed for he seldom rides on the MTR, let alone wait for the train. Incidentally, a member of the public told me yesterday that he must wait for at least seven or eight MTR trains before he could board the train. Even when he managed to board the train, the compartment was so crowded that it was very difficult to alight from the train. The situation is appalling indeed. Yesterday, Mr SIN Chung-kai clearly stated the stance and response of the Democratic Party towards the motion proposed by Mr Vincent FANG. I now speak to raise two points. Firstly, I would like to voice the grievances of the residents in my district. I believe Mr FANG have heard about that, but he may not have a clear picture as he does not often go to Sheung Shui, Tuen Mun and Yuen Long. The situation is serious indeed. When some Members spoke yesterday, they still stressed the significant economic benefits brought about by the tourism industry or the IVS to Hong Kong. President, did you notice the remarks made by some Hong Kong LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 26 March 2015 8253 deputies to the National People's Congress (NPC) or Hong Kong delegates to the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference during the recent meetings of the two sessions in Beijing? In particular, Mr Ambrose LEE, former Secretary for Security and an incumbent Hong Kong deputy to the NPC, said that IVS visitors were our "bosses". His words have infuriated a lot of people. I hope Mr LEE knows that he has hurt the feelings of many Hong Kong people. As far as Hong Kong is concerned, it is mutually beneficial to have Mainlanders visiting Hong Kong for shopping, leisure or business, and there is no need to regard them as "bosses". Many Members have also expressed the view that the current problem lies with inadequate supporting infrastructure and hence, there is a need to provide additional tourism facilities. President, the number of visitor arrivals to Hong Kong is about 60 million per annum. Yet the Secretary said that the number can be further increased to 70 million or 80 million, or even 100 million. Is this possible? Hong Kong is just a small place. If we really have so many visitors, I am afraid passengers might have to wait for the 20th MTR train before they could get on it. I hope the authorities can really understand the plight faced by local residents. I must invite the Secretary to join me in a visit to Sheung Shui and Tuen Mun someday. Does he have the experience of having his feet run over by a suitcase? If so, how many times? Does Mr Vincent FANG have the same experience? Mainland visitors like to drag their suitcases around and even if their suitcases run over the feet of other people, they would not apologize, as if nothing has happened. President, such incidents have really got on the nerves of Hong Kong people. As many Honourable Members have mentioned, the local scene in many districts have changed completely. Small shops and eating places originally frequented by kaifongs have all disappeared and replaced by stores selling popular items for Mainlanders such as cosmetics, gold jewellery and powdered formula. Shop rentals as well as food prices are soaring. Do they know that Hong Kong people have almost reached the boiling point? President, though I do not think Hong Kong people are so hard-pressed that they would stage a riot, they are really furious. We hope that some actions would be taken by the authorities. But what did the Chief Executive say this morning? He said that no answer was forthcoming, and he had no idea how long we must wait. What can we do then? 8254 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 26 March 2015 In January this year, I had a meeting with some government officials in the North District Council. In February, I would meet with the Chief Secretary again … Being a good "fighter", the Chief Secretary had indicated that she would personally lead a number of departments to handle the problem, I thus wrote to invite her for a meeting with the Democratic Party.
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