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- 1908. CONGRESSIONAL -RECORD- HOUSE. ~033 I know the gentleman so well that I know if the President mendation that the amendment be agreed to and that the bill pere thumping at the gentleman the gentleman would. thump as amended do pass. back. [Laughter.] Nor am I charging for one moment that The motion was agreed to. the President either did or could have prevented the gentleman Accordingly the committee rose; and the Speaker ha vlng re from debating his own case. The gentleman is not afraid of snmed the chair, Mr. DALZELL, Chairman of the Committee of the President nor of anybody else. But, in the President's ar the Whole House on the state of the Union, reported that that gument concerning the matter, did he emphasize his point by committee had had under consideration the bill (H. R. 19955) thumping on the desk? making appropriations to supply certain additional urgent defi . 1\fr. DIEK~fA. In answer to that, 1\fr. Chairman, I am ciencies in the appropriations for the fiscal year ending June glad to say that the President did not thump on the desk, but 30, 1908, and had directed him to report the same back with an that the President, in his usual -vigorous style, used gestures. amendment, with the recommendation that the amendment be [Laughter.] agreed to, and that the bill as amended do pass. Mr. WILLIAl\fS. Now, I would ask the gentleman this The SPEAKER. The question is on agreeing to the amend question. This report says that the President called him to ment. account. Now, would the gentleman mind-if he objects to The question was taken, and the amendment was agreed to. it, of course, I ha-ve no right to cross-examine him-would the 'l'he bill as amended was ordered to be engrossed and read a gentleman mind giving to the House, to the best of his recol third time; and being engrossed, was read the third time and lection, just the conversation that took place between him and passed. the President upon this subject? Because if it be true that On motion of 1\Ir. TAWNEY, a motion to reconsider the vote the President questioned or argued or debated with a Member whereby the bill was passed was laid on the table. of this House concerning his right to cast a vote, to make a PENSION BILLS, speech, or to make a report in this House, he committed a Mr. SULLOWAY. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent breach of the privileges of the House. Would the gentleman that the bills on the Private Calendar in order to-'day may be mind answering the question? considered in the House as in Committee of the Whole. 1\fr. DIEKEMA. I am very happy to answer that question. The SPF...A..KER. The gentleman from New Hampshire asks Mr. Chairman, the President did not agree with the result of unanimous consent that pension bills on the Private Calendar the findings of this committee, and expressed his fear that the in order to-day may be considered in the House as in Committee great work which Judge Wilfley had been doing in China in of the Whole. Is there objection? cleaning up corruption, in removing from there American cor There was no objection. ruptionists, in purifying the adminstration of the law in that Mr. CAPRON took the chair as Speaker pro te~pore . dist.:'lnt land, might be hampered as the result of a misconstruc tion on the part of the Americans and the Chinese residing there PENSIONS AND INCREASE OF PENSIONS TO CF.;RTAIN SOLDIERS AND of the meaning as expressed in our report, and felt that the SAILORS OF THE CIVIL WAR. committee might have been happier in expressing their conclu The first pension business was the bill (H. R. 19463) granting sions in a different manner, such as in his opinion would not pensions and increase of pensions to certain soldiers and sailors injure the American court and the administration of American of the civil war and certain widows and dependent relatives of justice in China, which, as he expressed to me as his opinion, such soldiers and sailors. had been raised to a wonderful height during the administra The bill was read, as follows : tion of Judge Wilfley, and had commanded the praise, not only Be it enacted-, etc., That the Secretary of the Interior be, and he is hereby, authorized and directed to place on the pension roll, subject to of Americans, but of Chinese and of foreigners in Shanghai. the provisions and limitations of the pension laws- Mr. \VILLIAMS. One more question and I am· through. Did The name of Jacob Ham, late of Company G, Forty-second Regiment the President say that the subcommittee had no right to go on Indiana Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. and make these reflections upon Judge Wilfl.ey; that all they The name of Sarah A. Nugent, widow of 'l'homas Nugent, late second had the right to do was to say whether or not he was guilty of lieutenant Company H, Twenty-seventh Regiment Indiana Volunteer In an impeachable offense? fantry, and pay her a pension at the rate of 15 per month in lieu of that she is now receiving. .Mr. DIEKEl\IA. He did not, nor did he intimate in the re The name of Jesse M. Taylor, late of Company G, Fourteenth Regi motest sense that the committee had not a complete right to ment Kentucky Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the rate investigate and report on the whole subject. [Applause on the of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of John F. Hastings, late of Company A, Twenty-fifth Regi Republican side.] ment Massachusetts. Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the · 1\Ir. WEBB. May I ask the gentleman a question? How rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. long did the discussion last? The name of John H. Lear, late of Company F, Eighth Regiment Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry,. and pay him a pension at the rate The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Michigan of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. , has expired. The name of Willard I. Cowan, late of Company A, McLaughlin's Mr. WEBB. I ask that he have five minutes more. squadron, Ohio Volunteer Cavalry, and Company C, Jj'ifth Regiment Ohio Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the rate of 30 per The CIJ.A.lRMA.L~. The _gentleman from North Carolina asks month in lieu of that he is now receiving. unanimous consent that the gentleman from Michigan have five The name of George Hughes, late of Company I, Second Regiment minutes more. Is there objection? Wisconsin Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. There was no objection. The name of Orner E. Hoffmann, late of U. S. · S. Reindeer and Mr. DIEKEl\f.A.. About ten minutes, I should say. It is Abeona, United States Navy, and pay him a pension at the rate of difficult to time oneself when engaged in a discussion. $24 per month in lieu of that he is now r eceiving. The name of George H. Bailey, late of Company I, Sixteenth Regi 1\fr. WEBB. Tell us who first broached the subject, the gen- ment Illinois Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the rate of tleman or the President? $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. 1\fr. DIEKEl\lA. The President did. '.rhe name of John L. Dunn, late of Company H, Eighth Regiment Illinois Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $30 1\fr. WEBB. Was it in the public reception room? per month in lieu of that he is now receivin:r. Mr. DIEKEMA. It was. The name of John F. Hart, alias Edward Hart, late of U. S. S. Ohio Mr. WEBB. How many people were there? and Ino, United States Navy, and pay him a pension at the rate of $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. 1\fr. DIEKE.l\IA. I can not tell the gentleman. The name of Mary U. Robinson, widow of Thomas F. Robinson, late The Clerk, proceeding with the reading of the bill, read as of Company D, Sixty-fourth Regiment Ohio Volunteet· Infantry, and follows: pay her a pension at the rate of $24 per month in lieu of that she is now receiving: Provided, That in the event of the death of William N. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. Robinson, helpless and dependent son of said Thomas F. Robinson, this pension shall be reduced to 12 per month from and after the date of For furniture, and materials .for repairs of the same, $4 000. death of said William N. Robinson: A nd provided furlhe,·, That in the For mis.::ellaneous items and expenses of special and seiect com event of the death of Mary U. Robinson the name of said William N mittees, exclusive of salaries and labor, unless specifically ordered Robinson shall be placed on the pension roll, subject to the provisions by the House of Representatives, $20,000. and limitations of the pension laws, at the rate of 12 per month from and after the date of death of said Mary U.