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I know the gentleman so well that I know if the President mendation that the amendment be agreed to and that the bill pere thumping at the gentleman the gentleman would. thump as amended do pass. back. [Laughter.] Nor am I charging for one moment that The motion was agreed to. the President either did or could have prevented the gentleman Accordingly the committee rose; and the Speaker ha vlng re from debating his own case. The gentleman is not afraid of snmed the chair, Mr. DALZELL, Chairman of the Committee of the President nor of anybody else. But, in the President's ar the Whole House on the state of the Union, reported that that gument concerning the matter, did he emphasize his point by committee had had under consideration the bill (H. R. 19955) thumping on the desk? making appropriations to supply certain additional urgent defi . 1\fr. DIEK~fA. In answer to that, 1\fr. Chairman, I am ciencies in the appropriations for the fiscal year ending June glad to say that the President did not thump on the desk, but 30, 1908, and had directed him to report the same back with an that the President, in his usual -vigorous style, used gestures. amendment, with the recommendation that the amendment be [Laughter.] agreed to, and that the bill as amended do pass. Mr. WILLIAl\fS. Now, I would ask the gentleman this The SPEAKER. The question is on agreeing to the amend question. This report says that the President called him to ment. account. Now, would the gentleman mind-if he objects to The question was taken, and the amendment was agreed to. it, of course, I ha-ve no right to cross-examine him-would the 'l'he bill as amended was ordered to be engrossed and read a gentleman mind giving to the House, to the best of his recol third time; and being engrossed, was read the third time and lection, just the conversation that took place between him and passed. the President upon this subject? Because if it be true that On motion of 1\Ir. TAWNEY, a motion to reconsider the vote the President questioned or argued or debated with a Member whereby the bill was passed was laid on the table. of this House concerning his right to cast a vote, to make a PENSION BILLS, speech, or to make a report in this House, he committed a Mr. SULLOWAY. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent breach of the privileges of the House. Would the gentleman that the bills on the Private Calendar in order to-'day may be mind answering the question? considered in the House as in Committee of the Whole. 1\fr. DIEKEMA. I am very happy to answer that question. The SPF...A..KER. The gentleman from New Hampshire asks Mr. Chairman, the President did not agree with the result of unanimous consent that pension bills on the Private Calendar the findings of this committee, and expressed his fear that the in order to-day may be considered in the House as in Committee great work which Judge Wilfley had been doing in China in of the Whole. Is there objection? cleaning up corruption, in removing from there American cor There was no objection. ruptionists, in purifying the adminstration of the law in that Mr. CAPRON took the chair as Speaker pro te~pore . dist.:'lnt land, might be hampered as the result of a misconstruc tion on the part of the Americans and the Chinese residing there PENSIONS AND INCREASE OF PENSIONS TO CF.;RTAIN SOLDIERS AND of the meaning as expressed in our report, and felt that the SAILORS OF THE CIVIL WAR. committee might have been happier in expressing their conclu The first pension business was the bill (H. R. 19463) granting sions in a different manner, such as in his opinion would not pensions and increase of pensions to certain soldiers and sailors injure the American court and the administration of American of the civil war and certain widows and dependent relatives of justice in China, which, as he expressed to me as his opinion, such soldiers and sailors. had been raised to a wonderful height during the administra The bill was read, as follows : tion of Judge Wilfley, and had commanded the praise, not only Be it enacted-, etc., That the Secretary of the Interior be, and he is hereby, authorized and directed to place on the pension roll, subject to of Americans, but of Chinese and of foreigners in Shanghai. the provisions and limitations of the pension laws- Mr. \VILLIAMS. One more question and I am· through. Did The name of Jacob Ham, late of Company G, Forty-second Regiment the President say that the subcommittee had no right to go on Indiana Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. and make these reflections upon Judge Wilfl.ey; that all they The name of Sarah A. Nugent, widow of 'l'homas Nugent, late second had the right to do was to say whether or not he was guilty of lieutenant Company H, Twenty-seventh Regiment Indiana Volunteer In an impeachable offense? fantry, and pay her a pension at the rate of 15 per month in lieu of that she is now receiving. .Mr. DIEKEl\IA. He did not, nor did he intimate in the re The name of Jesse M. Taylor, late of Company G, Fourteenth Regi motest sense that the committee had not a complete right to ment Kentucky Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the rate investigate and report on the whole subject. [Applause on the of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of John F. Hastings, late of Company A, Twenty-fifth Regi Republican side.] ment Massachusetts. Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the · 1\Ir. WEBB. May I ask the gentleman a question? How rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. long did the discussion last? The name of John H. Lear, late of Company F, Eighth Regiment Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry,. and pay him a pension at the rate The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Michigan of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. , has expired. The name of Willard I. Cowan, late of Company A, McLaughlin's Mr. WEBB. I ask that he have five minutes more. squadron, Ohio Volunteer Cavalry, and Company C, Jj'ifth Regiment Ohio Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the rate of 30 per The CIJ.A.lRMA.L~. The _gentleman from North Carolina asks month in lieu of that he is now receiving. unanimous consent that the gentleman from Michigan have five The name of George Hughes, late of Company I, Second Regiment minutes more. Is there objection? Wisconsin Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. There was no objection. The name of Orner E. Hoffmann, late of U. S. · S. Reindeer and Mr. DIEKEl\f.A.. About ten minutes, I should say. It is Abeona, United States Navy, and pay him a pension at the rate of difficult to time oneself when engaged in a discussion. $24 per month in lieu of that he is now r eceiving. The name of George H. Bailey, late of Company I, Sixteenth Regi 1\fr. WEBB. Tell us who first broached the subject, the gen- ment Illinois Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the rate of tleman or the President? $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. 1\fr. DIEKEl\lA. The President did. '.rhe name of John L. Dunn, late of Company H, Eighth Regiment Illinois Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $30 1\fr. WEBB. Was it in the public reception room? per month in lieu of that he is now receivin:r. Mr. DIEKEMA. It was. The name of John F. Hart, alias Edward Hart, late of U. S. S. Ohio Mr. WEBB. How many people were there? and Ino, United States Navy, and pay him a pension at the rate of $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. 1\fr. DIEKE.l\IA. I can not tell the gentleman. The name of Mary U. Robinson, widow of Thomas F. Robinson, late The Clerk, proceeding with the reading of the bill, read as of Company D, Sixty-fourth Regiment Ohio Volunteet· Infantry, and follows: pay her a pension at the rate of $24 per month in lieu of that she is now receiving: Provided, That in the event of the death of William N. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. Robinson, helpless and dependent son of said Thomas F. Robinson, this pension shall be reduced to 12 per month from and after the date of For furniture, and materials .for repairs of the same, $4 000. death of said William N. Robinson: A nd provided furlhe,·, That in the For mis.::ellaneous items and expenses of special and seiect com event of the death of Mary U. Robinson the name of said William N mittees, exclusive of salaries and labor, unless specifically ordered Robinson shall be placed on the pension roll, subject to the provisions by the House of Representatives, $20,000. and limitations of the pension laws, at the rate of 12 per month from and after the date of death of said Mary U. Robinson. Mr. TAWNEY. 1\Ir. Chairman, I offer the following amend The name of George Brookins, late of Company I, Twentieth Regi ment by direction of the committee, to go in as an independent ment Michigan Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate pa_ragraph. of $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of George W. Recob, late of Company A, Eighteenth Regi The Clerk read as follows : ment Ohio Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of Line 11, page 2, insert : $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. .. Public println~ and binding: Printing and binding for the Depart The name of William Lange, late of Company G, First Regiment ment of the Intenor, $85,000." Wisconsin Volunteer Heavy Artillery. and pay him a pension at the rate of $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The question was taken, and the amendment was agreed to. The name of Mary Wells, dependent mother of Francis Down&, late of First Independent Battery, Wisconsin Volunteer Light Artillety, and Mr. TAWNEY. Mr. Chairman, I move that the committee fit·st lieutenant Company C, Forty-ninth Regiment Wisconsin Volunteer do now rise and report the bill to the House, with the recom- Infantry, and pay her a pension at the rate of $12 per month.
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The name of J0!m Edmonson, late of Company F •. Eighteenth Regi The name of Angeline Wilkerson, widow of F -rank Wilkerson late of ment Ohio Voluitt er Infantry, and pay •him a pens1on at the rate of Company 13, One 1mndred and nineteenth Regiment Unit d St~te Col !!)36 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. . ~~~~<>lunteer Infantry, and pay her a pension at the rate of $12 per The name of .Tohn W. Gillin, late of .Company D, Eighty-first Regi ment Ohio Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of The_ name of .James. L.' C. R24 per month in lintb m lieu of that be ts now receiVmg. 'I'he n~ of Nathan U. Bailnrd, late of Company M, First Regiment The name of John IIartley, late second lieutenant Company E, Eighth Iowa Volunteer Cavalry, .and :Pay him a pension at the rate of '$.30 per Regiment Ohio Volunteer Cavalry, R?d pay hiiJ?- .a pension at the rate month in lieu of that he is now receiving. of 30 per month in lieu <>f that he 1s now x~ceivmg. The name of Joshua W. Howell, late captain Company K, One hun The name of Mansfield J. Cook, lat-e of Battery A, Jfirst Regiment -dred and forty•.seeond Regiment Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry and New York Volunteer Light Artillery, and pay him. a penswn at the rat-e pay him a pension at the rate of $24 per month in lieu of that 'be 1-s of $24 per month ill lieu of tb:at .he is now ~re
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The name of Carlos Dart, late unassigned, First Regiment Massachu The name of Edson Newbury, late of Company F, Fifty-third Regi setts Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $12 ment Illinois Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of pe1· month. $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of Adam J. Stahler, late of Company K, Ninth Regiment The name of John Mills, late of Company C, Fourth Regiment Penn Pennsylvania Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the rate of sylvania Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $24 $24 pet· month in lieu of that he is now receiving. per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of Nathan S. Page, late of Company I, Twelfth Regiment The name of George W. Chatfield, late of Company A, One hundred Michigan Volunteer · Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of and eighty-eighth Regiment Ohio Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a $36 per month in lieu of· that he is now receiving. pension at the rate of $24 per month in lieu of that be is now receiving. The name of Robert D. Shaw, late of Company C, Eighty-fifth Regi . The name of_ Clara C. Dillingham, widow of John Dillingham, late ment Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension' at the acting master commanding U. S. S. Morning Light, United States Navy, rate of $24 per month in lieu of that be is now receiving. and pay her a pension at the rate of $20 per month in lieu of that she The name of Mida W. Shepard, widow of Allen M. Shepard, late of is now receiving. Company C, One hundred and twelfth Regiment New York Volunteer The name of James A. McVicker, late of Company F, Ninety-third Infantry, and pay her a pension at the rate of $12 per month. Regiment Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at The name of Jerome B. Thomas, late of Company F, Thirty-ninth the rate of $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. · Regiment Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the The name of Elon J. Tyler, late of Company K, Twenty-ninth Regi rate of $24 per month in lieu of that be is now receiving. ment Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate The name of John C. Larue, late of Company K, Eighty-eighth Regi of $24 per· month in lieu of that he is now receiving. ment Ohio Volunteer Infantt·y, and pay him a pension at the rate of $30 The name of Asa D. Farnam, late of Company F, Sixty-fourth Regi per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. ment Ohio Volunteer Infantry, and Company D, Fourth Regiment Vet The name of Walter W. Donahue, helpless and dependent child of eran Reserve Corps, and pay him a pension at the rate of $30 per James Donahue, late of Company E, Eighteenth Regiment Illinois Vol month in lieu of that he is now receiving. l:nteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $12 per month. The name of Henry C. Van Fleet, late of Company I, Fourteenth The name of Andrew J. Peters, late of Company L, Second Regiment Regiment Ohio Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of Arkansas Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $30 $30 per month in lieu of that be is now receiving. per month in lieu ·of that he is now receiving. The name of Moses Hays, late of Company A, Eighteenth Regiment The name of Harriet Mosely, widow of Bob Mosely, alias Bob Hern Illinois Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $30 don, late of Company F, One hundred and twenty-second Regiment per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. United States Colored Volunteer Infantry, and pay her a pension at the The name of John'£. 1\fcGowan, late of Company F, One hundred and rate of $12 per month. thirty-sixth Regiment, and Company G, Forty-ninth Regiment, Illinois The name of George W. Webb, late assistant surgeon, ·Forty-ninth Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $24 per month Regiment Pennsylvania Militia Infantry, and acting assistant surgeon. in lieu of that he is now receiving. United States Army, and pay him a pension at the rate of $12 per The name of William M. Hopper, helpless and dependent child of month. Samuel M. Hopper, late of Company I, Sixtieth Regiment Illinois Vol The name of Conrad Ditmore, late first lieutenant Company H, Ninth unteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $12 per month. Regiment Iowa Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate The name of Thomas C. McGrath, late of Company K, Thirty-ninth of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. Regiment Ohio Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate The name of William Hair, late of Company B, and principal musi of . 30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. · cian Sixty-eighth Regiment Indiana Volunteer Infantry, and pay him The name of Henry Erdman, late of Company C, Twenty-sixth Regi a p{msion at the rate of $30 per month in lieu of that he is now ment Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry, and pay him- a pension at the rate receiving. of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of Omstead Larue, late of Company H, Thirty-second Regi The name of Milton E. McClure, late of Company E, Twenty-first ment, and Company D, Sixteenth Regiment, Wisconsin Volunteer In Regiment Ohio Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate fantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $30 per month in lieu of of !ji24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. that he is now receiving. The name of Hattie R. Schott, widow of William P. Schott, alias The name of Julia E. Young, helpless and dependent child of John Jacob Schott, late of Company F, Fourth ReJ:,oiment Pennsylvania Vol Young, late of Company G, Thirty-seventh Regiment Ohio Volunteer unteer Cavalry, and pay her a pension at the rate of $16 per month in Infantry, and pay bet· a pension at the rate of $12 per month. lieu of that she is now receiving. The name of William H. Pierce, late of Company B, Twelfth Regi The name of Jonathan H. Sykes, late of Company F, One hundred ment Michigan Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate a!J.d ninth Regiment New York Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pen of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. Sion at the rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receivin)!. The name of Carrol J. Harrelson, late of Company D, Sixth Regi The name of George Camp, late of Battery C, First Regiment United ment Illinois Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the rate States Artillery, and pay him a pension at the rate of $30 per month of $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. in lieu of that he is now receiving. · The name of George W. Minkler, late of Company C, One hundred The name of Charles J. Burget, late of Company C, First Battalion and twenty-eighth Regiment New York Volunteer Infantry, and pay Mississippi Marine Brigade, Volunteer Cavalry, and Company E, Marine him a pension at the rate of $30 per. month in lieu of that he is now Regiment, United States Volunteers, and pay him a pension at the rate receiving. of 24 per month In lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of Charles K. Davis, late of Company A, First Regiment The name of Sanford Morse, late of Company B, Fourth Regiment New York Volunteer Light Artillery, and pa~ ·him a pension at the Michigan Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $30 rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. . The name of Robert Magill, late of Company H, First Regiment The name of Samuel Eddy, late of Company D, First Regiment Illi Indiana Volunteer Cavarly, and pay him a pension at the rate of $24 nois Volunteer Light Artillery, and pay him a pension at the rate of per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. $30 per month in lieu of that be is now l'eceiving. The name of Henry T. Howell, late of Company D, Seventeenth The name of Samuel W. Read, late of Company D, Forty-fourth Regi Regiment Kansas Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the ment Indiana Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate rate of $24 per month in lien of that he is now receiving. of $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of George W. Duncan, late of Company I, Fourth Regi The name of James Loughlin, late captain Company C, Ninth Regi ment Tennessee Volunteer Mounted Infantry, and pay him a pension ment New Jersey Volunteer Infantry, and -pay him a pension at the at the rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. mte of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of Minor H. Greene, late first lieutenant, Company D, The name of Pleasant Umphrey, widow of Enoch Umphrey, late of One hundred and twentieth 1Regiment New York Volunteer Infantry, I Company C, li1fty-third Regiment United ~Hates Colored Volunteer In and pl;l.y him a pension at rne rate of $30 per month in lieu of that fantt·y, and pay her a pension at the rate of $16 per month in lieu Qf he is now receiving. that she is now· receiving. The name of James B. Duckett, late of Company E, Ninth Regiment The name of Day Wheeler, late of Companies D and B, Eighth Regi Tennessee Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $24 ment Missouri Volunteer Infantry, and second lieutenant Company G, per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. Third Regiment Illinois Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at The name of Noah Gross, late of Company C, Third Regiment West the rate of $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. Virginia Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $40 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The bill was ordered to be engrossed for a third reading ; and The name of Philogene M. Nichols, late of Company II, and second being engrossed, it was accordingly read the third time and lieutenant Company I; Fourth Regiment Rhode Island Volunteer In fantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $24 per month in lieu of passed. that he is now receiving. The name of Charles l\L Hilliker, late captain Company I, Sixteenth PENSIONS AND INCREASE OF PENSIONS TO CERTAIN SOLDIERS AND Regiment New York Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the SAILORS OF THE REGULAR ARh:l,.Y AND NAVY. rate of $24 per month in lieu .of that be is now receiving. T~e name of Martin P. Mitchell, late of Company A, Eighteenth The next pension business was the bill (H. R. 19475) granting Regimen~ Indiana Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. pensions and increase of pensions to certain soldiers and sailors The name of Rachel E. Pool, widow of John P. Pool, late of Company of the Regular Army and Navy, and certain soldiers and sailors F, Second Regiment Wisconsin Volunteer Cavalry, and Company H of wars other than the civil war, and to widows and dependent Fifth Regiment Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry, and pay her a pension at the rate of $12 per month. relatiYes of such soldiers and sailors. The name of Richard Hudson, late of Captain Degg's company, Fifth The bill was read, as follows : Battalion, District of Columbia Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $12 per month. · Be it enacted., etc., That the Secretary of the Interior be, and he is The name of William H. Spanburgb, late of Comfany C, One hun hereby, authorized and directed to place on the pension roll, subject to dred and fifty-ninth Regiment New York Volunteer nfantry, and pay the provisions and limitations of the pension laws- him a pension at the rate of $30 per month in lieu of that he is now The name of Elizabeth Moody, widow of John B. 1\Ioody, late of receiving. Captain Roberts's company, Florida Volunteers, Florida Indian war, The name of Thomas Lovell, late of Company I, Eighth Regiment and pay her a pension at the rate of $12 per month in lieu of that she Illinois Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $24 is now receiving. per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of Kizzie Gill, widow of Jeremiah Gill, late of Captain The name of John P. Penry, late of Company D, Twentieth Regiment Johnson's company, First Regiment (Bailey's) Florida Mounted Militia, Ohio Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $30 per Florida Indian war, and pay her a pension at the rate of $12 per month month in lieu of that he is now receiving. in lieu of that she is now receiving. '£he name of Charles E. Chapel, late of Company C, Fifth Regiment The name of Robert J. Whitehurst, late of Captain Lesley's company, Minnesota Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of Florida Mounted Volunteers, Seminole Indian war, and pay him a pen $46 per month in lieu of that be is now receiving. sion at the rate of $16 per month in lieu o{ that he is now receiving. The name of Edgar 1\L Quick, late of Company G, One hundred and The name of Carl F. Schultz, late of Company G, Second Regiment forty-ninth Regiment Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry, war with Spain, and pay him a pension pension at the mte of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. at the rate of $12 per month.
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'.rbe name of Thomas J. Long, late of Captain Snell's independent T!J.e name. of Willi~ Ure late of Company H, One hundred and company, First Regiment ll'Jorida Mounted Volunteers, Seminole Indian fortieth Regrment IllinOlS volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension war, and pay him a pension at the rate of $16 per month in lieu of at the rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. that he is now receiving. The name of John Satory, late of Company G, First Regiment Minne The name of Alfred Johnson, late of Troop F, Ninth Regiment United sota Volunteer Heavy Artillery, and pay him a pension at the rate of States Cavalry. $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of William Firth, late of Company A, Sixth Regiment The name of George Grapen, late of Company F, First Regiment Mis United States Infantry, Florida Indian war, and pay him a pension at souri State Militia Volunteer Infantry, and Company F Thirteenth the rate of $16 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. Regiment Missouri Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the The name of Evelyn G. Regan, widow of James Regan, late colonel rate of $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. Ninth Regiment nited States Infantry, and pay her a pension at the T?e name of Volney B. St. John, late of Company A, Forty-fourth rate of 40 per month in lieu of that she is now receiving. Re!Itment Ohio Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate The name of George W. Tucker, late of Captain Bailey's Company A, of '!>24 per month 1n lieu or that he is now receiving. Second Regiment Oregon Mounted Volunteers, Oregon and Washington The name of Samuel Morse, late of Company B, Twenty-sixth Regi Territory Indian war, and pay him a pension at the rate of $16 per ment Maine Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of. month in lieu of that he is now receiving. $36 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of Francis Marion Harrison, late of Capt. J. J. Grumble's ~he ~ame of Orson N. Coon, late of Company H, Third Regiment company, Texas Mounted Volunteers, Texas and New Mexico Indian W1s.<:onsm Volunteer CavaJ..J:y, and Company A, First Regiment Wis war, and pay him a pension at the rate of $16 per month in lieu of that consrn Volunteer Heavy Artillery, and pay him a pension at the rate of he is now receiving. . $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of Alice K. F. Martin, widow of John T. Martin, late The name of Melvin P. Giles, late acting third assistn.nt engineer captain, Artillery Corps, United States Army, and pay her a pension at ranking with midshipman, U. S. S. Naumkeag and Alexandria United the rate of $30 per month in lieu of that she is now receiving, and $2 States Navy, and pay him a pension at the rate of 30 per month in lieu per month additional on account of the minor child of said John T. of that he is now receiving. Martin until she reaches the age of 16 years. T?e name ~f John Hock, late of Company C, One hundred and eighth The name of Fleruon Bole, late of Company H, Fourth Regiment Ten Reaunent Oh10 Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate nessee Volunteer Iniantry, war with Spain, and pay him a pension at of 30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. the rate of $10 per month. The name of Abel E. Titus, late of Company B, Second Regiment '.rhe name of Andrew J. Arendell, late of Company C, First Regiment Vermont Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $24 Tennessee Volunteer Infantry, war with Spain. per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of Rebecca Van Walraven, dependent mother of Lee A. Van T?e name
The name of .Tohn M. Southworth, late second lieutenant Company The nam(! of George Martin, late of Company B, One hundred and H, ~lghth Regim.ent Tilinois Volunteer Cavalry, and captain Comp~ny eleventh Regiment Illinois Volunteer Infantry, and pay biro a pension (!, S1xteenth Re~ment Veteran Reserve. Corns, and pay him a penswn: at the rate of $30 per month in. lieu of that he is now receiving. at the rate of .::!4 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. 'l'he _name of William Morgan. la.te of Company F, Thirteenth Reg-i. The name of Hemy H. Wright, late of Companies R and A, Twenty ment New Hampshire Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the sixth Regiment Illinois Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at rate of 30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. the rate of $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name o.f Abraham Colby, late quartermaster-sergeant, Eighteenth The name of Thomas Kirby, late of Company A, Fifth Regiment Battery New York Volunteer Light Artillery, and pay him a pension Tennessee Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the rate of at the rate of S30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. $3(} per month in lieu of that he is now :receiving. The name of George H. Mothersbaugh, helpless and dependent child The name of Stephen A. Signor, lute of Company C, One hundred and of .Tames ~L :Mothersbaugh, late of Company E, Seventh Regiment ~lis fourth Regiment Illinois Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at sour! State 1\filit.ia Cavalry, and pay him a pension at tlie rate of $1Z the rate of $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. per month. The name of Daniel Morris-, late o:t Company ll, Sixteenth Regiment The name of Peter Lunsfora, late of Company E, Third Regiment Illinois Volunteer Cavalry, and pay !lim a pension at the rate of $40 Iowa Volunteer Cayalry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $30 per per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. month in lieu of that he is now receiving. - The name of Stephen Townsend, late of Company M~ Eighth Regf 'r?le name of Adam Miller, late of Companies- H and B, N'metieth ment Pennsylvania Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a penaion at the Regtment New York Volunteer Infantry, arul pay him a pension at the rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. rate of $24 per month in lieu o:t that he is now receiving. The name of Robert K. Robinson, late surgeon, Seventh R~giment T!Ie name of William Nelson, late of Companies E and I, Seventy-third Maryland Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate o:f $36 Reg1ment New York Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at tlie per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of Charles S. Bottomly, late of Company C, Thirty-sixth The name of George W. Smith, 2d, late of Company A, s ·even Regiment Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a penS"ion at teenth Itegiment Connecticut Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension the rate of $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. . at the rate of 24 per month in lieu of that he is.. now receiving. The name of Albino Vigil, late second lieutenant Company B, Fust The name of George C. Turner, late of Company K, Sixty-eighth R.egi~ Regiment New Mexico Militia Infantry, and pay him a pension at the ment Illinois Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate o! rate of $12 per month. $2·.1: per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. '.rhe nn.me of Garret .Tones, late of Company K, First Regiment Ten The name of Theodore B. Brannan, late of Battery F, Fourth Regi ne see Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $30 ment United States Artillery, and pay him a pension at the rate o! per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. 30 pet- month in lieu of that" he is now receiving. 'l'he name of Charles Dewitt, late principal muS"ician1 . band", For.ty second Regiment Indiana Voluuteel! In:fantry, and pay mm .a neru:non The name of George Dun~. late of Company F, Eighteenth Regiment at the rate of 30 per month in lieu of that he is now receivmg. Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $30 The name of Thomas W. Gibson, late of Company A... ·Forty-seventh per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. Regiment illinois Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a penS"ion at the The name of: Albert Co-nklin, late of Company L, Twelfth Regiment rate of 24 per month in lleu of that he is now receivin~. . New York Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a. penS"ion at the rate of $30 The name of Daniel Smiley, late of Company G, Nmete-enth Regi pet' month in lieu of that h.e is now receiving. ment Kentucky Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a penS"ion. at. the ra-te The name o1: .Tames F. Lyon, late ot Compa:ny C, First Regiment Wis of S30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. consin Voluni;eer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the rate of ~ 24 per •.Vhe name of William Uriek, lai:e of Company B, Twenty-second month in lieu of that he is now receiving. Regiment Kentucky Volunteer· Infantry, and Company ~. Seventh. Regi The name of William G. Otis, late of Com:pany K, Thlrty-ninth Reo-i ment Kentucky Veteran Volunteer Infantry, and pay h1m a pensiOn at ment Iowa Volunteer Infantry, a:n The name of Mary A. Taylor, widow of Boles Taylor, late of Sec Th~ name of .Josiah F. Kirk, late of Company C, Ninth Regiment ond Battery New Jersey Volunteer Light Artillery, and pay her ~ pen llli~o1s Volunteer Cavalry, and Company F, Seventy-fourth Regiment sion at the rate or $16 per month in lieu of that she is now receivmg. Indiana Vo!unteer Infann·y, and pay him a pension at the rate of $30 The name of Thomas J. De Bolt, late of Company C, Thirty-fifth per month m lieu of that be is now receiving. Reaiment Ohio Voluntee1· Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate The name of William C. Osgood, late captain Company E, Fortieth of '$24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. . Regiment Ohio Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate The name of John Albright, late of Company I, Two hundredth Regi of $30 per month in lieu of that he is now Teceiving. ment Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the The name of Sarah J. Davis, widow of Daniel Davis, late of Company rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. M, First Regiment New Hampshire Volunteer Heavy Artillery, and pay The name of Elmadorus P. Cochran, late of Company C, Second her a pension at the rate of $12 per month. Regiment nited States Volunteer Sharpshooters, and Company C, One The name of Charle Walley, late of Company D, Ninety-first Regi hundred and fifth Regiment Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry, and pay ment New York Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate him a pensicn at the rate of $24 P!'!r month in lieu of that he is now of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. receiving. . · t 'l.'he name of Willis G. Craddock, late of Company A, Thirtieth Regi The name of Robert Hyson, late of Com~any E, Nrneteenth Regrmen ment Kentucky Volunteer Mounted Infantry, and pay him a pension Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry, and pay hrm a pension at the rate of at the rate of $24 per month in lieu of that be is now receiving. $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. . The name of Orrin Nason, late of Company K, Seventh Regiment Min The name of William Boldt, late of Company D, Seventeenth Regi nesota Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the ~:ate of $24 ment Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. of $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receivin~. . . The name of John B. Mendenhall, late of Company F, First Regiment The name of Daniel Bausum, late of Company K, Forty-eighth Regi Ohio Volunteer Infantry, and late of U. S. S. Grampus, Ouachita and ment Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the Great Western, nited States Navy, and pay him a pension at the' rate rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. of $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. Tll.e name of Samuel M. Ruch, late of Company H, Forty-eighth The name of Bela L. Burr, late of Company G, Sixteenth Regiment Regiment Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension Connecticut Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of at the rate of $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of .Albert Eggleston, late captain Company D, Fifty-fourth Re.,.iment Indiana Volunteer Infantry, .and pay him a pension at the Mr. SULLOWA.Y. Mr. Speaker, I offer the following amend- rat"'e of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of Darius Heath, late of Company D, One hundred and ment, which I send to the desk. The beneficiary named is dead. seventy-first Regiment Pennsylvania Drafted Militia Infantry, and pay The Clerk read as follows : him a pension at the rate of $12 per month. The name of William P. Ray, late of Company A, Forty-fifth Regi Page 3, strike out lines 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12. ment Illinois Volunteer Infantry, and Company E, Fourth Regiment The amendment was agreed to. Veteran Reserve Corps, and pay him a pension at the rate of 24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The bill as amended was ordered to be engrossed for a third The name of James C. Stephens, late of Company B, Forty-ninth reading; and being engrossed, it was accordingly read the third Regiment Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry, and Company B, 'l.'wenty time and passed. second Regiment Veteran Reserve Corps, and pay him a pension at the rate of $30 pe1· month in lieu of that be is now receiving. PENSIONS AND INCREASE OF PENSIONS TO CERTAIN SOLDIERS AND The name of Henry Hibner, late of Company F, Sixth Regiment Michigan Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of SAILORS OF THE CIVIL W AB. $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The next pension business was the bill (S. 5589) granting pen The name of Trowbridge Suwarrow, late of detachment of cavalry. United States Military Academy, West Point, United States Army, and sions and increase of pensions to certain soldiers and sailors of pay him a pension at the rate of $30 per month in lieu of that he is the civil war and certain widows and dependent relatiYes of now receiving. . such soldiers and sailors. The name of George W. -Given, late of Company B, Second Regiment Pennsylvania Provisional Volunteer Heavy Artillery, and Company D, The bill was read, as follows: Second Re!!iment Pennsylvania Volunteer Heavy Arti~ry, and pay Be it enacted, etc., That the Secretary of the Interior be, and be i him a penswn at the rate of $30 per mo~th in lieu of that be is now hereby, authorized and directed to place on the pen ion roll, subject to the provisions and limitations of the pension laws- re~h~in;ame of Rollin R. Hotchkiss, late of Company D, Third Regi The name of Mary L. Chase, widow of Washington I. Chase, late cap ment Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the tain Company H, Ninth Regiment Maine Volunteer Infantry, and pay rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. her a pension at the 1·ate of $20 per month in lieu of that she is now The name of Edwin W. Braman, late of Company D, Twenty-sixth receiving. Regiment Connecticut Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at The name of Mary C. Nason, widow of Christopher C. Na on, late the rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. of Company B, Fourth Regiment California Volunteer Infantry, and The name of Zalmon B. Allee, late of Company B, Twenty-third Regi pay her a pension at the rate of $16 per month in lieu of that she is ment Ohio Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of now receiving. $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. • The name of Martin Watson, late of Company H, Sixteenth Regiment 'l'he name of Orrin V. S. Van Denburg, late of Company L, Twelfth Indiana Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $24 Regiment New York Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of James Carroll, late of Company C, One hundred and 'l.'he name of Robert T. Sedam, late of Company C, Fifteenth Regi twenty-third Regiment New York VQJ.unteer Infantry, and pay him a ment Illinois Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate pension at the rate of $24 per mon'\:h in lieu of that he is now re of $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. cei.ving. The name of William S. Peabody, late captain Company A, Ninety The name of John Martin, late of Company B, One hundred and first Regiment, and Company A; Seventy-fourth Regiment, nited eighth Regiment United States Colored Volunteer Infantry, and pay him States Colored Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate a pension at the rate of $30 per month in lieu of that he is now re of $40 pet· month in lieu of that he is now receiving. ceiving. The name of William Russell, late of Company L, First Regiment The name of .John Magee, late of Company F, Forty-ninth Regiment Michigan Volunteet· Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the rate of Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. of $24 per month in lieu of that be is now receiving. The name of Hezekiah Coe, late of Company K, Sixty-third Regi The name of Eugenius .Jenkins, late of Company C, Fourteenth Regi ment Ohio Volunteer Infantry, and pay to him a pension at the rate ment West Virginia Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the of $24 per month in lieu of that be is now receiving. rate of 24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of Winfield S. Delenger, late of Company G, One bund1·ed The name of Nicholas Corson, late second lieutenant Company G, and thirteenth Regiment Ohio Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pen Twenty-fifth Regiment New Jersey Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a sion at the rate of 24 per month in lieu of that be is now receiving. pension at the rate of 24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of Joseph C. Bell, late of Company D, Twenty-seventh The name of Benjamin F. McCrady, late of Company I, Twenty-sixth Regiment Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension Regiment Kentucky Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the at the rate of $24 per month in lieu of that be Is now receiving. rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of Arthur H. Parsons, late of Company G, Sixteenth Regi The name of Ira B. Timmons, late of Company G, Twenty-fifth Re"'i ment Connecticut Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the ment, and Company K, Seventeenth Regiment, Kentucky Volunteer fn rate of 24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. fantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $24 per month in lieu of The name of Samuel M. Graham, late of Company K, Twentieth that he is now receiving. Regiment Ohio Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the The name of Joseph Crugom, late drum major First Regiment Wis rate of 30 per month in lieu of that be is now receiving. consin Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $30 The name of l\iillie Lepard, widow of Andrew J. Lepard, late of per month in lieu of that be is now receiving. Company A, ~'irst Regiment Connecticut Volunteer Heavy Artillery, The name of Henry Bentley, late of Company K, Fifty-eighth Regi and pay her a pension at the rate of $12 per month in lieu of that ment Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry, and Company D, Fourth Regi she is now receiving. ment United States Artillery, and pay him a penswn at the rate of $30 The name of Charles A. Hunter, late of Company E, Thirty-fourth per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. · Regiment Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry, and pay !lim a pension The name of Thomas Radford, late of U. S. S. Ohio, Vincennes, and at the. rate of $30 per month in lieu of that be is now receiving. North Carolina, United States Navy, and pay him a pension at the rate The name of James R. Carpenter, late hospital steward, econd of 30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. Regiment Massachusetts Volunteer Heavy Artillei·y, and pay him a The name of William Terwillegar, late of Company B, Twenty-ninth pension at the rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now re Regiment Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the ceiving. rate of 30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. . The name of Charles Snyder, late of Company H, Ninth Regiment 0 Vermont Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $24 me;~e P~~~;Yr;a~Y:Ov~~~~:e~-' ~~i~t;·i ~!danJ'afilf!!n!t~:~:fo~ha~lt~ per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. rate of $24 per month in lieu of that be is now receiving. The n!).me of Owen Jones, late of U. S. S. North Carolina, Pembina, 'rhe name of Gilbert S. Main, late of Company E, Fifth Regiment and Minnesota, United States Navy, and pay him a pension at the rate Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. $30 per month in lieu of that be is now receiving. The name of Emanuel Schamp, alias Emanuel Benton, late of Com The name of Thomas P. McCracken, late of Company A, Twenty pany E, Twenty-first Regiment Ohio Volunteer Infantry and Twenty fourth Regiment Kentucky Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension first Independent Battery Ohio Volunteer Light Artillery, and pay him at the. rate of $30 pel' month in lieu of that be is now receiving. a pension at the rate- of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now re The name of Anna E. Webb, helpless and dependent child of .Tames ceiving. Webb, late of Company C, One hundred and fifty-fifth Regiment Penn The name of Samuel S. Dotson, late of Company L, First Rc~iment sylvania Volunteer Infantry, and pay her a pension at the rate of $12 Ohio Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $i50 per per month. month in lieu of that he is now receiving. 1908. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 4039. The name of Gilalmous McCarty, late of Company L Fifth Regiment The name of William Cody, late of Company G, Third Regiment No:oth Mi sour) State Milltia Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the rate of Carolina Volunteer Mounted Infantry, and pay him a pension at the 24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of Charles II. Sargent, late of Company E, Eighth Regi The name of Irvin Allen, late of Company A, Third Regiment Morth ment Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the Carolina Volunteer Mounted Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rote of 24 per month i!l lieu of that he is now receiving. rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of George G. Sargent, late of Company C, Seventy-fourth The name of Joseph N. Foster, late of Companies B and D, Ninth Regiment Ohio Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate Regiment New York Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the of $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of R. M. Musser, late first lieutenant Company D, Fifty The name of Harrison Lyons, late of Company A, First Regiment, third Regiment Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pen and unassigned Ninth Regiment, Minnesota Volunteer Infantry, and sion at the rate of , 24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. pay him a pension at the rate of $30 per month in lieu of that he is The name of Tristrim Glidden, late of Company A, Fifth Regiment now receiving. New Hampshire Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate ~'he name of Henry A. Eastman, late of Company B, and captain of $36 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving~ Company E, Eleventh Regiment Connecticut Volunteer Infantry, and 'l'he name of John Cooper, late of Company D, One hundred and four pay him a pension at the rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is teenth Regiment Illinois Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at now receiving. the rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of Martha W. Hatch, widow of Moses W. Hatch, late of The nam~ of William A. Gile, late captain Company D, One hundred Company E, Fourth Regiment Maine Volunteer lnflllltry, and pay her lllld seventeenth Regiment United States Colored Volunteer Infantry, a pension at the rate of $12 per month in lieu of that she is now re lllld pay him a pension at the rate of $40 per month in lieu of that he ceiving. is now receiving. The name of Daniel Snell, late of Company A, Fifty-second Regiment The name of Benjamin Dye, late of Company E, Eighth Regiment Illinois Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $30 Ohio Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $30 per per month in lien of that he is now receiving. month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of John E. Lewis, late of Seventh Battery Wisconsin Vol The name of Cordelia A. Young, widow of Spencer W. Young, late unteer Light Artillery, and pay him a pension at the rate of $30 per second lieutenant Company B, Eighth Regiment Maine Volunteer In month in lieu of that he is now receiving. fantry, and pay her a pension at the rate of $15 per month in lieu of The name of Leonard Davis, late of Company l\1, First Regiment that she is now receiving. · Wisconsin Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $30 The name of William H. Robinson, late of Company G, Fifty-fifth per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. Regiment Ohio Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate The name of Timothy Bresnahan, late of Company I, Second and of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. Twentieth Regiments Maine Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension The name of Gabriel Sams, late of Company E, Second Regiment at the rate of $20 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. North Carolina Volunteer Mounted Infantry, and pay him a pension at The name of Nathaniel D.avis, late of U. S. S. Galatea, Powhatan, the rate of $20 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. and Ino, United States Navy, and pay him a pension at the rate of 24 The name of' Charles Gunter, late of Company G, Third Regiment per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. North Carolina Volunteer Mounted Infantry, and pay him a pension The name of George H. Eastman, late captain Company B, One hun at the rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. dred and thirty-second Regiment Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry, and The name of John H. Johnson late of Company A, Third Regiment pay him a pension at the rate of $30 per month in lieu of that he is ~ow Tennessee Volunteer Mounted Infantry, and pay him a pension at the receiving. rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of John A. Wood, late of Company D, First Regiment Wis The name of Edwin L. Hartley, late of Company A, Seventh Regi consin Cavalry, and pay him a pension at tile rate of $40 per month in ment Connecticut Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the lieu of that he is now receiving. rate of $24 per· month in lieu of that he is now receiving. '.rhe name of Maggie Greenly, widow of Jesse H. Greenly, late of Com The name of John W. Watkins, late of Company D1 Thirty-seventh pany D, Third Regiment Colorado Voltmteer Cavalry, and pay her a Regiment Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at pen~ion at the rate of ~12 .per month in lien of that she is now receiving. the rate of $30 per month in Heu of that he is now receiving. The name of Daniel Manning, late of Company I, Fifty-second Regi The name of Sarah P. Brannigan, widow of Felix Brannigan, late ment Illinois Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of first lieutenant and adjutant, One hundred and third Regiment United $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. States Colored Volunteer Infantry, and pay her a pension at the rate of The name of Maria A. Edie, widow of Christopher Edie, late of Com 17 per month in lieu of that she is now receiving. pany C, ~·welfth Regiment New York Volunteer Infantry, and pay her a The name of Edmund W. Flynn, late of Companies I and B, Fifth pension at the rate of $16 per month in lieu of that she is now Regiment Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the receiving. rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of Jincy Powell, widow of Ansil D. Powell, late captain ~'he name of Lucius .A. Lovelace, late of Complllly K, Twenty-first Company B, Eighth Regiment Kentucky Volunteer Infantry, and pay Regiment Iowa Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate her a pension at the rate of $20 per month in lieu of that she is now of $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. receiving. The name of Wellington K. Moore, late of Company F, Fifty-second The name of Mary B. Worley, dependent mother of John W. Worley Regiment Illinois Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the late of Company F, Ninth Regiment Kentucky Volunteer Infantry and rate of $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. Company ~. Fifty-fifth Regiment Kentucky Volunteer Infantry, and pay The name of Isaac V. Du Bois, late of Company B, Ninety-fourth her a penswn at the rate of $12 per montll. Regiment Illinois Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate o! $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The amendment recommended by the committee was read, as The name of Geor~e Heminger, late of Company B, One hundred follows: and thirty-eighth Regunent Pennsylvania Volunteer Infant:ryh and pay him a pension at the rate of $30 per month in lieu of that e is now On page 9 strike out lines 1, 2, 3, and 4, inclusive. receiving. . • The amendment was agreed to. The name of John F. Detwiler, late of Company H, Sixty-first Regi ment Ohio Volunteer Inflllltry, and pay him a pension at the rate of The bill as amended was ordered to a third reading, and it $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. · was accordingly read the third time, and passed. The name of Patrick Hughes, late of Complllly B, Ninth Regiment Connecticut Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of PENSIONS AND INCREASE OF PENSIONS TO CEnT..AIN SOLDIERS AND $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. SAILORS OF THE REGULAB .AIUfY .A..~D NAVY. The name of Samuel W. Brown, late of Company G, Eighth Regi ment lassachusetts Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension o.t the . The n~t pension business was the bill (H. R. 19863) grant rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. mg pensiOns and increase of pensions to c-ertain soldiers and The name of Daniel H. Fairchild, late of Company F, Thirty-sixth Regiment Illinois Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the sailors of the Regular Army and Navy and certain soldiers and rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. sailors of wars other than the civil war and to widows and de The name of Alexander L. Morton, late of" Captain Stufft's inde pendent relatives of such soldiers and sailors. pendent company, Indian Scouts, nited States Volunteers, and pay him a pension at the rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now The bill was read, as follows : receiving. Be it enacted, etc., That the Secretary of the Interior be and he is The name of William H. Warner, late of First Company, Massachu hereby, authorized "and directed to place on the pension roll' subject to setts Volunteer Sharpshooters, and pay him a pension at the rate of the provisions and limitations of the pension laws- ' $30 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of Susan Wigley, dependent mother of Charles V. Wigley, The name of John Powell. late of Company C, Thirty-eighth Regi late of Company C, Forty-sixth Regiment United States Volunteer In ment Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate fantry, war with Spain, and pay her a pension at the rate of $18 per of $40 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. month in lieu of that she is now receiving. The name of James H. Atwood, late of Company K Twenty-fourth T~e name of Charles M. S. Ronsholdt, late of Company C, First Regiment Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at lleg1~ent Illinois Volunteer Cavalry, war with Spain, and pay him a the rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. pensiOn at the rate of $30 per month. The name of Christian Schwendener, late of Company D, Twelfth The name of Sarah N. Clark, widow of William R. Clark, late of Regiment Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the Captain Stephen's company, First Regiment Florida 1\lounted Volunteers, rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. Florida Seminole Indian war, and pay her a pension at the rate of $12 The name of Enoch S. Eastman, late of Company K, Fourteenth per month in lieu of that she is now receiving. Regiment New Hampshire Volunteer Infantry, Md pay him a pension The name o! James T. Roberts, late of Troop F, Seventh Regiment at the rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. United States Cavalry, war with Spain, and pay him a pension at the The name of George L. Freeman, late of Company B, First llegiment rate of $12 per"month. • Oregon Volunteer Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $30 The name of Lucy ~'ucker Catlett, widow of John Catlett, late of per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. Company A, Captain McGowan's Second Regiment Tennessee Volunteer The name of Elizabeth S. lien ley, widow of Thomas S. Hensley, Infantry, war with ll~ico, and pay her a pension at the rate of 12 late of Company K, Thirt~th Regiment Kansas Volunteer Infantry, per month in lieu of that she is now receiving. and pay her a pension at the rate of $12 per month. The name of Charles J. Tribble, late of Troop D, Seventh Regiment The name of Samuel A. Kimball, Jate of Company :M, Second llegi United States Cavalry, war with Spain, and pay him a pension at the ment New York Volunteer Heavy Artillery, and pay him a pension at rate of 8 per month. 0 0 The name of Ellen :.r. J'ohnson, widow of Isaac Johnson, late of th;,Ji;t~a~c $~~ ~~~ ~.h ~it~~~rg: ~~~:eo~s dh ~le~ecbl.vi~fitchard, Captain Battle's company, Second Regiment Tennessee Mounted Volun late of Companies B and A, Twenty-fourth Regiment Indiana Volunteer teers, Florida Indian war, and pay her a pension at the rate of $8 pe.r Infantry, and pay her a pension at the rate of $16 per month in lieu month. of that she is now receiving. The name of Martha Ann Pruett, widow of George W. Pruett, late The name of Frank N. Burdick, late assistant surgeon, Eig-hty-eighth of Captain Di-ckerson's company, Third Regiment North Carolina Volun Regiment Illinois Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the teers, Cherokee Indian disturbances, and pay her a pension at the rate rate of $12 per month. of $12 per month in lieu of that she is now receiving. 4040 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-Y()TT~~ ~{ARCH 27, The name of John E . . Fillmon, late of Captains Curry and Fitz The Clerk read as l.u.uv-. gemld's companies, Florida Volunteers, Florida Indian war, a~d pay him a pension at the rate of $16 per month in lieu of that be 1s now Page 6, line 22, after the word "dollars," insert "for the acquisition receiving. · of sites and the er·ection of buildings for the use of the \Yeatber Bureau, The name of Amelia M. Salmon, widow of Jefferson D. Salmon, late and for all necessary labor, matet·ials, and expenses, plans and speci of Company B, First Regiment Georgia Infantry, war with Mexico, jlDd fications to be prepared by the Secretary of Agriculture, and the work pay her a pension at the rate of $12 per month in lieu of that she is done under the supervision of the Chief of the Weather Bureau, not to now receiving. exceed $45,000. The name of Lina V. Dietz, widow of Ernst P. Dietz, late captain The question was taken, and the amendment was agreed to. Company B, First Regiment Ohio Volunteer Infantry, war with Spain, and pay her a pension at the rate of $20 per month, and 2 per month The Clerk read as follows: additional on account of the minor child of the said Ernst P. Dietz :BUREAU OF A.....'HMAL INDUSTRY. until she reaches the age of 16 years. Salaries, Bureau of .Animal Industry : One chief of Bureau, 5,000 ; The name of .Anna S. Patrick, widow of Benjamin F. Patrick, jr., one chief clerk, 2,000; one editor and compiler, $2,000; four clerks of late captain, Forty-fifth Regiment United States Volunteer Infantry, class 4 ; five clerks of class 3 ; thirteen clerks of class 2 ; thirteen clerks war witn Spain, and pay her a pension at the rate of $20 per month. of class 1 ; eight clerks, at $1,000 each ; three clerks, at $900 each; two The name of William F. Mead, late of Troop H, Second Regiment clerks, at $840 each; three clerks, at $720 each ; one mechanic, $1,200 ; United States Cavalry, and pay him a pension at the rate $46 per one messenger and custodian, . 1,000 ; one carpenter, 1,100 ; one mes month. senger, 840 ; three messengers, at $7~0 each ; one skilled laborer, The name of John W. Lannier, late of Captain Sparkman's independ $840 ; one skilled laborer, . 720 ; two skilled laborers, at 600 each; one ent company, Florida Mounted Volunteers, Seminole Indian war, and skilled laborer, $660 ; one illustrator, 1,400 ; in all, $83,660. pay him a pension at the rate of 16 per month in lieu of that be is now receiving. Mr. LEVER. Mr. Chairman-- The name of Katherine Collins, dependent mother of John J. Kehoe, 1\Ir. FITZGERALD. Mr. Chairman, I wish to reserve the late of Company G, Second Regiment Oregon Volunteer Infantry, war with Spain, and pay her a pension at the rate of 12 per month. point of order on some language in line 8. The name of Olinda A. Darby, widow of John W. Darby, late of Mr. LEVER. Mr. Chairman, we witnessed the amazing spec Captain Bradley's independent company, Florida Foot Volunteers, tacle this morning of a Representative on the floor of this House Seminole Indian war, and pay her a pension at the rate of $12 per month in lieu of that she is"now receiving. expre sing his gratification and his pleasure at the fact that he The name of .Arthur .A. Piens, late of .Astor Battery, United States had been permitted to discuss a proposition with the President Volunteer Li~ht Artillery, war with Spain, and pay him a pension at of the United States. His statement of the fact seemed io bring the rate of $ts per month. The name of Levi Castle, late first lieutenant Company E, First a smile of joy to the faces of our friends across the aisle, be Regiment Idaho Volunteer Infantry, war ·with Spain, and pay him a cause, I presume, it is the first indication from the White House pension at the rate of $24 per month in lieu of that be is now re that these gentlemen are to be permitted to discuss great prob ceiving. . The name of Jacob Renwald, late of Company G, Fifth Regiment lems with the President of the United States. In the past Mem United States Infantr·y, war with Spain, and pay him a pension at the bers of his House have not been so fortunate as the gentleman rate of $24 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. from Michigan was. There was a time when the President 'l'be name of Elizabeth H. Shannon, widow of Thomas E. Shannon, late of Captain Chesnut's company, South Carolina Volunteers, Florida called one of the Members of this House to a very severe ac Indian w.ar, and pay her a pension at the rate of $12 per month in lieu counting, to such an accounting as lost him his seat on the floor of that she is now receiving. of this House. Members of the Committee on Agriculture and The name of Rufus W. Cobb, late of Captain Long's company, Hay's Regiment Texas Mounted Volunteers, war with Mexico, and pay him a Members of this House will recall the discussion relating to the pension at the rate of 20 per month. meat-inspection bill that passed Congress in the Fifty-ninth Con '.rbe' name of George W. Mason, late of Company .A, First Regiment gress. They will recall, too, a series of remarkable letters pass Kentucky Volunteer Cavalry, war with Spain, and pay him a pension ing between the President of the United States and the then at the rate of $24 per montl,l ln lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of Sar·ah J. Paynter, widow of Christian Paynter, late sec chairman of the Committee on .Agriculture, Mr. Wadsworth. ond lieutenant Company D, Second Regiment Indiana Volunteer In They will recall, too, that this stanch Republican, this strong fantry, war with Mexico, and pay her a pension at the rate of $25 per month in lieu of that she is now receiving. partisan, but withal this good man and patriot, the then chair The name of Carl Roepke, late of Company A, Fifth Regiment United man of that committee, does not hold a seat on the floor of this States Cavalry, war with Spain. House at present, for the reason that the big stick of the The name of .Andrew A. Boyet, late of Capt. H. V. Snell's inde White House was used against him in his dish·ict and drove pendent company, Florida Mounted Volunteers, Florida Seminole Indian war, and pay him a pension at the rate of $16 per month in lieu of that him from public life. On June 14, 1906, the President of the he is now receiving. United States wrote to Mr. Wadsworth a letter relative to the The name of Charles W. Freund, late of Company C, Sixty-ninth meH.t-inspection bill. In this letter we find the following lan Regiment New York Volunteer Infantry, war with Spain, and pay him a pension at the rate of $8 per month. guage: The name of Benjamin Brown, late of Companies C and H, Twenty Perhaps the amendment as you have now drafted it is not quite as fourth Regiment· United States Infantry, and pay him a pension at the ~ad as it was when you submitted it to me in the first instance, but it rate of $25 per month. · 1s very, very bad. There seems to be one point in which it is possible The name of .Andrew J. Baldwin, late of Capt. Oliver Shead's com that the amendment is even worse than the original amendment if, as pany, Second Regiment Washington Territory Volunteers, Oregon and seems likely, there is no provision making plants accessible at all hours Washington Territory Indian war, and pay him a pension at the rate to the inspectors. In any event I am sorry to have to say that this of $16 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. . strikes me as an amendment which, no matter how unintentional, is The name of Joseph R. Ralston, late of Company C, First Regiment ~~~'!~~s~o as to minimize a chance of rooting out the evil in the packing Oregon Riflemen, Cayuse Indian war, and pay him a pension at the rate of $16 per month in lieu of that he is now receiving. The name of Margaret L. Campbell, widow of Thomas M. Campbell, Further on he says : late of Company E, '.rhird Regiment Kentucky Infantry, war with Mex Doubtless it suits the packers. ico, and pay her a pension at the rate of $12 per month in lieu of that she is now receiving. Further on he says : The name of Susan T. Day, widow of Joel .A. Day, late of Company - It would hamper in the most grossly improper fashion the Secretary G, 'l'hird Regiment Kentucky Volunteers, war with Mexico, and pay of .Agriculture doing the work which you have appointed him to do. her a pension at the rate of $12 per month in lieu of that she is now .And further on ·he says : receiving. It seems to me that the surest way to keep· our foreign trade from The bill was ordered to be engro sed for a third reading, and us, and, indeed, our interstate trade likewise, in a thoroughly unsatis being engrossed, it was accordingly read the third time and factory condition, and to prevent its 1·esuming a position which it for merly had, is to enact the law in the shape of the proposed amend passed. ment submitted to me by you. On motion of Mr. LoUDENSLAGER, a motion to reconsider votes To this Mr. Wadsworth replied, and he calls attention to the by which the -several foregoing pension bills were passed was laid mistake of the President in this language: on the table. If you will turn to ·page 4 of the bill (copy inclosed), line 2, you will find the following words: ".And for the purposes of such examination AGRICULTURAL APPROPRIATION BILL. and inspection said inspectors shall have access at all times to every Mr. SCOTT. 1\Ir. Speaker, I move the House resolve itself part of said est~blishment."- into Committee of the Whole House on the state of the Union Although the President, in his letter to Mr. Wadsworth, called for the further consideration of the bill (H. R. 19158) making attention to the alleged fact that this provision was not in the appropriations for the Department of Agriculture for the fiscal bill. Further on Mr. Wadsworth called attention to the fact year ending June 30, 1909. that- The motion was agreed to. The Secretary of .Agriculture shall cause an examination and inspec. tion of all cattle, sheep, swine, and goats, and the food products there Accordingly the House resolved itself into Committee of the of, slaughtered and prepared in the establishments hereinbefore de Whole House on the state of the Union for the further consid scribed for the purpose of interstate or foreign commerce, to be made eration of the agricultural appropriation bill, with 1\ir. CAPRON during the nighttime, as well as during the daytime. in the chair. That is the provision of the bill which was submitted to the Mr. GILHAl\IS. Mr. Chairman, I desire unanimous consent to President, and yet in the face of that provisiob the President return to pages 6 and 7 of the bill under consideration, and offer writes to Mr. Wadsworth, as the chairman of the great Com the following amendment. mittee on Agriculture, and points out, or attempts to point out, The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection? [After a pause.] The the fact that one of the wealmesses of the bill was the fact that Ohair hears none, and the Clerk will report the amendment. no provision was made for night inspection. 1908. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. L1041 The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman has expired. largely upon the facility of transporting those products, and that 1\fr. LEVER. l\lr. Chairman, I move to strike out the Jast facility, as a rule, cheapens the cost thereof. I therefore think two words. that at this time it is quite proper for me to refer to the House The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman can not malte that mo resolution introduced by me in the early part of this session, tion-- and the amendment thereof introduced last month, namely, the 1\fr. l\IANN. There is a point of order pending. bill H. R. 17417, and I desire to submit and to have inserted 1\fr. LEVER. Then, Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent in the RECORD a statement thereon which has a bearing upon the to continue my remarks for fiT"e minutes. Agricultural Department of our Government. I desire that The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from South Carolina asks privilege, and I hope the House will grant it. unanimous consent to continue his remarks for five minutes. Is The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman asks unanimous consent to there objection? (After a pause.) The Chair hears none. extend his remarks in the RECORD as indicated. Is there objec 1\Ir. LEVER. Now, 1\fr. Chairman, the President in this letter tion? has made the statement that this bill framed by the Committee There was no objection. on Agriculture, if enacted into Jaw, would be ruinous to the 1\Ir. FORNES. The bill is as follows: foreign trade of America in meat products. Let us see what A bill (H. R. 17417) providing for the survey of a ship canal from Ben the workings of this bill have been. Let us see how they tally ton Harbor, on Lake Michigan, to Toledo, on Lake Erie. Be it enacted, etc., That the Secretary of War be, and he is hereby, au with the judgment of the President. I wish to read from the thorized and directed to cause a survey to be made under the supervision hearings of last year the testimony for the benefit of the House of the Chief of Engineer Corps, United States Army, and report to Con_ for the purpose of showing that the Chief Executive does not gress, in detail, the cost of the project for the establishment of a ship canal from the most available southerly point on the eastern shore of hold within himself all wisdom, all virtue, and all patriotism; Lake Michigan, at or near Benton Harbor, in the State of Michigan, to that there are left in this country at least a few men who have the most available westerly point of Lake Erie, terminating in the vicinity a little sense, a little patriotism, and a little virtue. I will of the city of Toledo, in the State of Ohio, and the sum of $100,000, or so much thereof as may be necessary, is hereby appropriated, out of any read from page 228 of the hearing, as follows: money in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, to carry into effect Doctor MELVIN. The general action of the bill bas been found to be the provisions of this act. · very effective. and there is no doubt that it has resulted in a great Mr. Chairman, respectfully referring to the bill introduced deal of good, and I would not like to endanger it by suggesting changes. by me (H. R. 17417) providing for the survey of a ship canal Now, on page 243, 1\Ir. LEvER asks the question: from Benton Harbor or vicinity, on Lake l\fichigan, to Toledo, If you will pardon me a moment, Mr. Chairman, I want to get this Lake Er·e I beg to subm"t the foil · t t t · f clear. We will take Doctor Melvin back a little bit. We had a severe on 1 • 1 owmg s a emen In avor agitation last year about this meat business-the packing business. I of same: want to ask the Doctor whether or not in his opinion that agitation The cost of transportation is paid by the producer or the hurt seriously the export trade in meat and meat products. conSUJller. The amount of such cost has a fixed basis, calcu- And understand, gentlemen, Doctor l\felvin is the man com- lated upon distance, time, and safety; hence if these principal missioned by the Secretary of Agriculture to enforce this meat- elements which establish the rate of transportation can be inspection law, and has more knowledge concerning it than any reduced the producer has the trade advantage, both domestic man, perhaps, in the country. To that question Doctor Melvin and foreign, the purchaser the benefit of the lower prices. answered: The consh·uction of a ship canal of ample dimensions con- There is no doubt but what it did for a time. necting the lower easterly shore of Lake l\fichigan with Lake Referring to the agitation: Erie at or near Toledo, Ohio, would lessen the shipping dis- Mr. LEVER. For a time. Now, I want to ask you this-if this bill tance. more than 500 miles between the great and constantly prepared by this committee has had any effect whatever in restoring increasing commercial ports of Chicago, Milwaukee, and other the confidence of our foreign buyers of meat and meat products, and shipping points on Lake Michigan and Lake Erie. This route, are we beginning to get back on a normal basis in the export of these being in a more temperate climate, would lenlrthen the annual pt·oducts? ~ Doctor MELVIN. Yes; I think we are, quite rapialy. navigation period by fully a month. It would largely decrease Mr. LEVEn. Is it your opinion that it is the result of this bill? the loss through shipwreck in the dangerous early spring and Doctor 1\!ELVIN. Yes. t Mr. LEVER. Prepared by this committee? au umn storms, so prevalent in the zone of upper Lake Michi- Doctor MELVIN. Yes. gan and Lake Huron. It would avoid the shallow waters of But let us go a little further. The bill had been in operation the St. Clair River and Lake St. Clair, also the Detroit RiT"er, only about seven months when Doctor Melvin made that state- which are all serious obstacles to navigation. There would be roent, which is an absolute demonstration. of the fact that the Pres- no perceptible current in the canal, the altitude between Lake ident spoke without information in his letter to 1\Ir. Wadsworth, Michigan and Lake Erie being 14 feet only, or about half an and not only that, but his judgment was bad as to the effect of inch a mile. The construction of this proposed canal seems to this bill. me most imperative, in order that the vast and constantly in- In the hearing before the Committee on Agriculture on the creasing commerce between the 1\fiddle and Korthwestern fer estimates of appropriations for the fiscal year ending June 30, tile sections of our country and the Atlantic ports will not be 1909, this same question came up. Let us see what the state- diverted through the Canadian channels. If not already a set ment of Doctor Melvin is now after the bill has been in operation tied fact, it is safe to assume that the Dominion of Canada nearly two years: will connect the Georgian Bay with the St. Lawrenc;e River or Mr. CoLE. Mr. Chairman, I was not here yesterday and I would like Lake Ontario by a ship canal. Such a line would attract a to ask one question. How is the meat inspection coming on ; is it sat- large amount of freight from our lakes on account of the short- isfactory? ness of the route. A report made by the underwriters at Doctor l\lELVIN. Very satisfactory. Chicago Ja 11 1908 t t 1\lr. COLE. Are you asking for any amendments of the law? nuary • • s a es: Doctor MELVIN. No, sir; we have not asked for any this year. We During the season of navigation on the Lakes, just closed, 38 vessels, considered H advisable to work under the present law for two or more with a total tonnage of 27,010, passed out of existence. With .the ex years and ascertain very definitely whether any essential changes were ception of one steamship, all the boats lost were freighters. The necessary before suggesting any. There have been several of minor aggregate loss in value was $1,692,000. This does not of course in importance that have occurred to me, and probably next year we may elude large amounts which were paid out by the underwriters for come in with a recommendation for these minor chanaes. partial losses. This latter amount doubtless exceeds t_he afores!~r . . . . ": amount. The season was remarkable for the numbet· of disastrous co'i.- So that, after thiS bill has been m operatiOn for eighteen months, !isions on the route between Lake Huron and Lake Erie, being 129 out it is found by the man charged with the enforcement of the law · of a total of 534. that he can make no recommendation for any change, that he Assuming that the ship canal would lessen this loss by but can suggest nothing but minor changes that might be of any one-third, equivalent . to at least $1,000,000 a season, not men value. But, 1\lr. Chairman, the President of the United States tioning even the far more valuable loss of human life, this drove from power and from office the chairman of this com- saving alone would more than pay the interest on the capital mittee because he had the n erve and patriotism to stand up for invested. his rights and stand up for truth as he saw it. [Applause.] During the year 1907, 23,721 vessels passed through the De- The CHAIRMAN. Does the gentleman from New York [Mr. troit River with a tonnage of 48,958,32 , as compared with FITZGERALD] desire to be heard on the point of order? 24,077 with a tonnage of 46,072,618, showing that the vessels 1\fr. SCOTT. l\Ir. Chairman, I understand the gentleman re- are growing larger, as well a& the business. The merchandise senes the point of order. traffic of 1007, through the Detroit River, amounted to 67,292,- Ir. FORNES. Mr. Chairman, I moYe to strike out the 504 net tons, as compared with 60,578,155 net tons in 1906. Of last two words. the western shipments of 20,326,311 tons, 18,427,121 tons were 1\lr. Chairman, in relation to this bill it is a fact that the De- coal from the mines in Pennsylvania, Ohio, and West Virginia. partment has accomplished, by its energy and through th~ great The total lake commerce for 1907 was 10 per cent greater help of the committee which has just made such an excellent re- than 1006 and 20 per cent greater than 1905. port, splendid results in the counh·y. But, however productive The approximate grain shipments yearly from Lake Michigan our fields, our mines, or our forests, the value thereof depends ports to Buffalo is reported as 80,000,000 bushels, the average 4042 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. l\fARCH 27 '· freight charges and insurance being 3 cents a bushel. The ship " The savi;ng of distance between Chicago and Detroit by_ this pro posed canal IS over 500 miles. canal would, owing to the shorter distance, lower th-e insur " It is estimated that a saving of 1 cent a bushel on the graln ex ance rate, decrease the freight and insurance charges at ported. from. Illinois, 'Visconsin, ~1i~m es o ta, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, least one-thh·d, or . 00,000. Again, a longer navigation season ~~ga~~ soun w-ould pay a very large m terest on the cost of the proposed would increnee the total shipments, hence increase materially " From tw~ to three days in time of transit between Lake Michigan the amount saved. Shipments from Lake Erie ports to Lake and Luke Ene would be saved by the proposed canal a nd from ei,..ht to 1\Iichigan ports are reported at about 17,000,000 tons. Ap ten weeks of navigation gained in the spr ing and autumn o "It i estimated that a toll of 5 cents per ton would pay the entire plying the same economy on account of the distance and length cost ?f the canal ~d expenses ~f. operating it in twen ty years." of season, an additional saving of about $700,000 is obtained, or Without expres~g any oprnwn on the representations made the n million and a half annually on these two items of freight, or committee are of the opinion that the project is of sufficient importance to warr~t a survey by t he Government to determine whether there is a return of 6 per cent on an outlay of twenty-fiye million, which a practicable route for a canal to connect Lake Uichignn with Lake in my judgment, is an amotmt far in excess of the cost of a Erie and what would be the probable cost of constructin"' the same. canal of ample dimensions. It is admitted that the commerce ~ e reccommend that the bill be amended by strikln~ out the words " thirty-five," in the eighth line, and inserting in lieu thereof the word of our counh'J, both domestic and foreign, urgently demands in "fifteen," and that the bill be passed with that amendment. crea ed shipping facilities and at a reduced cost. The millions of people of the Middle and Northwestern States will obtain their coal, farm implements, and household goods cheaper; and, [House Report No. 155, Forty-sixth Congress, second session.] WATER ROUTE BETWEE.."'i LAKES llllCHIGA.."'i AND ERffi. likewise, at least 15,000,000 people of the Atlantic coast States January 23, 18 0. committed to the Committee of the Whole House wm obtain. the necessaries of life at less cost, saving the poor on the state of the Union and ordered to be printed. breadwinner on the indispensable article, flour, at least 10 cents Mr. Wise, from the Committee on Railways !1nd Canals submitted the following_ report (to accompany bill H. R. 994) : ' a barrel, saved because freight is lower and the time in transit The Com.rmttee on Railroads and Canals, having under consideration lessened. the bql (H. R. 994) to provide for a water route to facilitate trans The Empire State, New York, fully realizing the urgent de portat~on between Lake Michigan and Lake Erie, beg leave to make the followmg report : mand for improved and cheaper freight-carrying methods, ap F.irst. That the aspect of the country through which the route of the propriated recently over $100,000,000 for the improvement and proJected canal would pass is of a level and even character abun enlargement of the Erie Canal. In other words, less than one dantly supplied wiij} running water in shallow streams, and wouid offer but little opposition to the construction anywhere, and most of the eighth of the population of the United States assumed a debt way is peculiarly adapted t o the water feeding of canals. of over one hundred million for the benefit of the nation's com Second. Taking into consideration the great distance and hi"'h lati merce in the matter of more extensive exports of our farm and tude of the channel through L11;kes Michigan, Huron, and St. clair to Lalce Erie, we find that by this route we have to pass around four mineral products on account of lowering freight chaTges against fifths of an i!-'reg~R! circle, .a di~tance of 1,000 miles, the northern them and improving shipping facilities. part of the errerut rn a .fng1d climate, with streams ice locked two To illustrate the wisdom of these expenditures by the tate months of the year longer than on the southern fifth of the circle the propo ed route, which is but 200 miles long and 4 degrees south of the and the nation, the wonderful increase in lake commerce should northern part of the circle, and should it prove practicable to u e the clearly suffice, viz., the total shipments by lake in net tons channels of the St. Joseph and Maumee rivers, which lie nearly in the in 1906 were 73,600,648; in 1907, 83,387,319. Ooal shipments direction of the proposed route most of the way aero s this peninsula the distance and cost of actual canal cutting would be still furthef in 1fl06 were 17,575,917 tons, and 19,388,414 tons in 1907. Con reduced nearly in that proportion, as comparatively little work on template, if possible, the extent of the lake and canal commerce these two rivers would make them navigable to points less than 50 twenty-five or fifty years hence, when more than the outlay miles apart. This cutting off of 800 miles in distance and adding two months yearly to the navigation season would certainly be a has been liquidated by the economy it established, the property master stroke in benefiting the lar~e and increasing commerce from and life saved, and as time goes on, its usefulness and benefits the \\est to the East, to say nothing of the local benefit conferred increase, for the more numerous the time-saving methods upon the proposed route. Third. So long as the Dominion of Canada is an appeniiage of Great adopted the greater the ability to meet competition in trade Britain, the necessity of the bill before us is apparent as a military with other nations. The canal toll should not exceed the cost of route.. Its inland character, and the saving of time and distance in the transportation of gunboat , men-of-war, and heavy ordnance that maintenance and interest on the United States Government can not be transported by railroad, would seem to make it a military bonds, running fifty years, with 2 per cent per annum for the necessity in case of war with Great Britain. sinking fund, to liquidate tbe bonds. Fourth. Your committee would also call the attention of the House to the vast agricultural area beyond the western terminus of said I herewith submit various committee reports of ·former en canal ; also the large and rapidly improving territory in western Can dea.vors in behalf of this undertaking, namely : ada, which must eek a more southern latitude for ingress and egress, Report of the Committee on Railways and Canals dated which will soon become as celebrated for cereal productions as Russia, lying under nearly the same latitude as it and in as favorable a climate. June 19, 1878, House Report 1010, Forty-fifth Congress, second Fifth. It seems to be an acknowledged fact that the present railway session, to accompany House bill 3660, recommending an ap :facilities are insufficient to move the vast quantities of produce from propriation of $15,000 for the survey. the Northwest to Eastern markets in due season, unaided by water communication • as is well shown by the vast accumulation of grain in Report of the Committee on Railways and Canals dated Chicago and omer1 points at the present moment awaiting transporta January 23, 1880, House Report 155, Forty-sixth Congress, sec tion east. Further, such stagnation in movement, or the impossibility ond session, to accompany House bill 994, recommending an ap of movement. of such products, not only makes it impossible for, but invites, capitalists to interpose their power to monopolize and form propriation for the sm·vey. "pools " and ".corners" to the serious detriment of both producer and Report of the Committee on Railways and Canals dated consumer. And, again, while the railroad companies are gradually en May 6, 1886, House Report 2294, Forty-ninth Congress, first larging and extending their facilities, the ratio of increase in produce is much greater than this, so that evidently these difficulties will be se sion, to accompany House bill 4971, recommending an ap come greater and greater year after year without the ald of enlarged, propriation of $30,000 for the survey. better, and safer water communication for the movement of these I ask that these reports be annexed to my statement and be heavy products. Sixth. It is a matter of vital consequence to our commerce to es printed in the RECORD in connection therewith; also I desire to tablish this route, or some equivalent thereof, 1n order to hold our own have inserted that portion of the President's message to Con trade and to draw that from western Canada over our routes, instead gress on :March 25, 1908, in reference to waterways, to wit: of waiting until after they have constructed similar cut-of'l's. which Ample provision should be made for a permanent waterways com they propose, across their own territory, and have drawn all their mission, with whatever power is required to make it effective. The commerce and a part of ours from us. reasonable expectation of the people will not be met unless the Con gress provides at this session for the beginning and prosecution of the [House Report No. 2294, Forty-ninth Congress, first session.] actual work of waterway improvement and control. The Congress should recogni2e in fullest fashion the fact that the subject of the WATER ROUTE TO CO~l\"'ECT LA.KE MICHIGAN WITH DETROIT RI\ER. conservation of our natural resources, with which this commission l\Iay G, 1886, committed to the Committee of the Whole House on tho deals, is literally vital for the future of the n~tion. state of the Union and ordered to be printed. · Mr. Atkinson, from the Committee on Railways and Canals, sub· mitted the following report (to accompany bill H. R. 4971) : [House Report No. 1010, Forty-fifth Congress, second session.] The Committee on Railways and Canals, to whom was referred the WATER TRA...~SPORTATIO:-< BETWEE:-< LAKES :MICHIGA..~ .A!·o ERIE. bill (H. R. 4971) to provide for the survey of a water route to connect June 19, 1878, committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the waters of Lake Michigan with Detroit River, have considered the matter, and beg leave to report: the state of the Union and ordered to be printed. That a bill of similar import was inh·oduced into the Forty-seventh 1\Ir. Hazleton, from the Committee on Railways and Canals, submit- to 6 and Forty-eighth Congres es and referred the Committee on Railways te<:J.r?ee lg~~~te~ 1;goR~i{~a:;c~:~a~In~li~ Po· !h;! ~~ referred the and Canals, which considered the same and reported favorabl,y thereon; bill (H. R. 3660) to provide for a water route to facilitate transporta that the Committee on Railways and Canals now report the bill favor· tion between Lake Michigan and Lake Erie, having considered the same, ably and adopt the report presented to the Forty-seventh Congress, as report: follows: That on behalf of 6,500 citizens of Michigan, who have presented a "The Committee on Rall"nys and Canals, to whom was referred the petition asking that a survey be made for a canal to connect Lake bill (H. R. 3693) to provide fo1· the survey of a water route to connect Michigan and Lake Erie, the following statement has been presented the waters of Lake Michigan 'vlth Detroit River, have considered the to the committee : matter, and beg leave to report : " The annual commerce of the States tributary to the lakes is over " The length of the canal, for which the bill before the committee proposes to authorize and direct an appropriation of to be ex· $500,000,000. $30,000, " The annual loss of property on the lakes, between Chicago and De pended under the direction of the Secretary of War for a preliminary troit, is ·not less than $1,500,000. .. .. survey, would be about 178 miles. The canal would shorten the voyage,. 1908. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. ~043 for all such vessels as could nayigate it, between the lower lake ports of $250 for the chief clerk and $100 for the editor, both of which and Chicago or Milwaukee, about 550 miles; or, as between Chicago and :Bufl'alo, by one-half the distance. were denied. Increases were asked also on the roll of clerks; " It is lJelieved that the season of navigation on the lakes would also but all these were denied except one clerk of class 4, which was be prolonged, as between the upper and lower lakes, by at least ~hir~y granted, and a clerk at $900. Speaking, first, as to the $900 days, a portion of which gain would be in the spring and a portwn m the autumn or early winter months, and would be a gain of at least clerk,· I wish to say that this place was inserted in order to 15 per cent on the open period of navigation. ·eliminate two clerks at $600. "It would furthet· appear that as to steam vessels an average of Mr. lUADDEN. Just· to assure the gentleman the onJy in two days' time would be saved on the voyage each way, making a sav ing of four days on the round trip, which, on the season's work of, say, terest I have in the point of order is as to the words "and com fifteen round trips, would amount to sixty days. As to sailing ves piler." sels, the difl'erence in their favor would be much greater ; but confining 1\Ir. SCOTT. I respectfully suggest, l\Ir. Chairman, that the the comparison to steam vessels and tbeh· tows, the advantages of the ship canal which is contemplated in this bill would be in the two point of order· will not lie against that item, for the reason that ways indicated equivalent to an addition of ninety days to the time of the title given is the same as in the current law. open navigation, or an addition of nearly or quite 50 per cent, and in Mr. :MADDEN. The current law reads "one editor," and the crease the numbet· of voyages or tripa in that proportion. The value of this can not be even approximately estimated, but if the ship canal words " and compiler " are added. were to be of suffi.climt capacity to float vessels freighted with 50,000 1\lr. SCOTT. The gentleman is right; I see, on looking closer, bushels of wheat or corn, the added value to commerce would be im that the words " and compiler " are added. They were added mensely in excess of the expenditm·e, which, it is believed, would not exceed $5,000,000. at the suggestion of the Chief of the Bureau, because, in his "The late navigation of the upper lakes is always hazardous, and opinion, it would more accurately describe the work which the it is estimated that loss by storm and wreck between Chicago and man occupying that position was intended to do. He not only Deh·oit rivers has for twenty-five years past been more than $1,000,000 annually. The operation of the canal would undoubtedly diminish edits the manuscripts which come to him, fitting them to go this by at least one-half, which would of itself be equivalent to the to the printer, but he compiles matter that is brought into the interest on the cost of the canal and the expense of its conduct and Bureau from different sources in such a way as to prepare it administration. " '.rhere has never been an official or governmental survey of the for bulletins and other forms of publications. proposed route, but it has been carefully examined by private parties Mr. MADDEN. I insist on the point of order. of expel"ience in railway and canal engineering, and your committee Mr. SCOTT. As I understand it, the gentleman's point of are infot·med and believe that the aspect of the country through which the projected route would pass is of a comparatively leTel and even order only goes to the words " and compiler." character, abundantly supplied with water in running streams, and Mr. BURLESON. This does not create an additional office? bordered along a large part of the way with deep, never-failing little Mr. SCOTT. Oh, no. lakes of from 2 to 10 miles in circumference, and to the number of 300 and more. A considerable portion of these lie above the summit level Mr. BURLESON. It is just the one office. of the proposed canal, and an abundant water supply for a ship canal Mr. SCOTT. It is a matter of indifference as to whether the of largest capacity is therefore undoubted. change is made or not. " It is proper to say, however, that the bill under consideration but proposes an appropriation for a survey, leaving it to a future Congress Mr. MADDEN. This creates a new office, if I understand to appropriate for the work itself, if it be determined to enter upon it. the English language. It creates new duties, and in the nature The question of water supply, the depth of cut, and general engineering of things it will create a new office, and it may be that it will problems and ascertained conditions will then be available for accurate information. · create several new places. I object to it because of the doubt " So long as the Dominion of Canada is an appendage of Great it serves to make. Britain the necessity of the bill before us is apparent as a military Mr. SCOTT. The apprehensions of the gentleman are en-. route. Its inland character and the saving of time and distance in the transportation of gunboats, men-of-war, and heavy ordnance that can tirely unfounded, but I concede the point of order, and it makes not be transported by railroad, would seem to make it a military neces no difference. sity in case of war with Great Britain. The CHAIRMAN (Mr. FoSTER of Vermont). The point of "Tkere are five States in the Northwest whose products would be tributary to the proposed canal, whose united crop of cereals is now order is sustained. materially in excess of the whole crop of the United States twenty-five Mr. OLMSTED. I move to strike out the last word. years ago, and the rapidly increasing productions of provisions, live I offer this important amendment for the purpose of making stock for transportation, and other heavy freights to move are in still greater pi'Oportion. While this is all true, it is also true that less than an important inquiry upon a very important subject. The gen one-twentieth part of even the most productive portions of our North tleman from Illinois [Mr. MANN], having listened recently to western States and Territories are yet under cultivation, and our vast a scientific lecture, worked off a considerable portion of it upon mining interests only in the first sta~es of development. " The increased necessities for almost unlimited transportation in us last evening. We listened with gr~at interest and greater crease faster than those facilities are furnished, and invite the atten incredulity when he attempted to have us believe that scien tion of the Government to all feasible improvements and the opening of new water courses such as that under consideration. While the rail tific research has now reached to such a dizzy height that the road companies are gradually enlarging and extending their facilities, scientists, without any appropriation by Congress, can tell four the ratio of increase in produce is much greater than this, so that years in advance what the weather is going to be on the planet evidently difficulties will become greater and greater year after year without the aid of enlarged, better, and safer water communication for Mars, but that on this terrestrial ball it is an impossibility to the movement of these heavy products. regulate our weather properly without an appropriation to pay " There is, in the opinion of your committee, no means of affording the expense of observing the vapors that rise from the Salton protection to American industry in a manner more direct and so free from question as to multiply the methods of cheap transportation, and Sea, formed by the overflow of the Colorado River into the there is no method of diminishing its cost so promising as to increase empty bed of a dried-up old lake; so we have left in this bill the waterways, which not only afford the cheapest of all, but should an appropriation sufficient to send a corps of Government em remain in the control of the Government, be exempt from all questions of discrimination, rates, and other distracting questions of carriage ployees to sit arormd the rim and watch the vapors rising from that agitate the public mind. • that dead and vanishing lake. We were told that we could "Ta'king into consideration the little opposition of nature, the short not properly construct even the Panama Canal unless those ening of distance. the more favorable climate, and the lengthened navi gation season and the lessening of its perils, the inadequacy of present experts had an opportunity to watch those Salton Sea waters routes, the prospective increase of these difficulties, and, independent evaporate. That it would not do as a test to watch merely of the difl'erence in the length of time of navigation in the two routes, the evaporation of water from a bucket. We were told that it the great disparity in the increase is so important that the committee respectfully report in favor of an appro:priation for a survey for a must be done now. That the lake will soon be gone; that this water route, such as described in the blll under consideration, and is our last chance; that there is no other lake in the world 1·ecommend that it do pass." like this; and that such observations at any other place would Mr. MANN. I make the point of order on page 9, line 21, serve no useful purpose. commencing with the word " and." How would an estimate of the vapors arising from that lake Mr. SCOTT. We have not read that paragraph. The gentle serve as any guide to the vapors which might arise from a man from New York [Mr. FITZGERALD] reserved a point of order living body of water, fed by living streams and its temperature on the paragraph that has just been read. I do not see him in and evaporations constantly changing as a result thereof? In the Chamber now, but I believe the gentleman from Illinois my judgment the Government obseners might as well sit in desires to reser>e the same point of order. I presume it is this gallery, hang their legs over the railing, and observe the aimed at an increase in one salary and the introduction of an vaporings which arise from this floor from time to time. other place. [Laughter.] The gentleman from Louisiana [Mr. WATKL s] The CHAIRMAN. The Chair desires to state that the read ·offered a· much more valuable amendment whereby, had it be ing of the bill has not proceeded as far as indicated by the come effective, people living along rural free-delivery routes gentleman from Illinois. would have been enabled to tell in the afternoon whether or Mr. MANN. The other gentleman from Illinois he refers to. not it had rained in the morning. [Laughter.] But that amend Mr. SCOTT. I am not talking about the point the gentleman ment failed. However, we have passed beyond the provision from Illinois [Mr. MANN] has raised, but the point that the in this bill relating to the Weather Bureau and now approach gentleman from Illinois [Mr. MADDEN] has raised to the first the question of animal industry. Every Member of this House paragraph of the bill. I was saying I presumed that point was finds his daily mail flooded with inquiries from his constituents. leveled at an increase of salary and the introduction of another , After some years of experience I thought I had become able to place. The estimates for this salary roll included an _increase answer offhand aey possible question relating to the affairs of 4044 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE~ l\f.ARC~ 21,; this Go"'fernment or the welfare of the nation, but recently there of the humane treatment in the transit law read in the same h·a:ve Deen propounded several that staggered and one that com- form of language a the rest of the paragraph-" for carrying. pletely oyerpower:ed me. A short time ago a. constituent desired out the provisions of the act of June 2V, 1006, entit led," and so to know the exact value of the gold in a gold dollar. [Laugh- foJ;th-fnstead of the form that it is now in? t er.] Knowing that there was some alloy in it, I took UIJ the ques- Mr. SCOTT. I think the suggestion of the gentleman from tion with apprehension, but by the assistance of the Secretary Illb1ois is- a very proper one. I h:n·e no obJection to it whatever. of the Trea sury and Director of the Mint I was-able t<> Rnswer l\1r. 1\l.A..l\TN. I will make a point of order on the paragraph, with exactness. Another desired to know whether it was true, after line 16 to the end of the paragraph. as had been asserted, that since the Spanisli war we could 1Ur. SCOTT. I think the point of· orde~: wi11 hardly lie. It truly say, with the King of Engl<'llld, that the sun never sets on seems to me that the bill is justified in carrying a pro'i ion our possessions. With the aid of a globe Rnd all the data at fou the enforeement of an a.ct, which act by its own terms places tlie command of the Committee on Insular Affairsr o:t which I the enforcement thereof in t.fiis Department. have the honor to be a member, I wrestred with that p1·oblem 1\.[r .. 1\fAl\'N. The. gentleman is perfectly correct about that, for several days and t.fien turned it over to the G<:>vernment lt ~dJ aru item for· carrying. out the pro.visions of that act would ObserTatory, just outside the city. After two weekB they were . 1no!'be subject to a point of order; out if this goes out on a able to inform me that there is a short period within the twenty- poiiit of' order~ if the gentleman does not offer an amendment, I four hours when the sun, hanging out over some point in the . will. This p:rovision goes away beyond: thnt and provides for Pacific Ocean, does not shine upon.. any people or possessions ~1 securin( evidence about the enforcement of the uc~ "and so• within the jul'isdiction of. the United States. I. submit to the j,.;.eorth."· - gentleman.. from illinois that that would be a. far more im- Mr. SCOTT. That is a misprintr I remember striking it portant place to take these observations of evaporation. o~t of the fir~ proof she~ts. that came from tlle office, but I [Laugfiter.] For when the sun gets there I have no doubt d1d not follow 1t up to see 1f 1t was out. that it acceierates its speed in order. to again get w.fiere its "'Ir. :UANN. '.rke whole paragraph goes away beyond the en-· rays may fall upon the glorious folds of the American flag. forcement of the law, and is a matter, so far a s: tile jurisdiction [LauO'hter-1 of coiDIDittees are concerned, that comes within the juTisdictton. But to return to· the question of' animal in.d'lli!try. All kinds of the Committee on Interst~te and Foreign Comm · 'Ce, and not of questions are propounded to us~ Wliy, I have been told that under the jurisdiction of the Committee on Agricuiture. some time ago a Member from Missouri had a letter from a Mr. SCOTT. I would like to ask why it would not be possi constituent ash-ing what price he. could obtain fo~: a carload: of ~le to s_ha:pe ~e ame~dm~nt to strike out ~ertain langua ge and. mules in this city. He replied tha.t the street cars. were run msert, mstead of letting 1t go out on a pomt of order, which· I by electricity and the Government was run. by jackasses. do not wish to concede. [Laughterr], That was during the· last. Democratic .Administra- lUT. MANN~ The point of order is perfectly clear. tion~ [Laughter.} So he said there was no use for mules in 1\lr. SCOTT. I thought the gentleman said that it was not Washington. clear. But to return to the question. of. animal industry. The latest Mr. J\.fi'ANN.. Oh, no; it is perfectly clear. This says:. conundrum was propounded to me by an intelligent lady~ That To el!able. the Sec1·etary of Agriculture to collect ev.ldencc and secure · th · t t m.q· nh·y nrhich Lam about to brinO' to the. atten the ento.rcement of the act of .Tune 29, 1906, entitled "An act m pre lS e rmpor an u.u. " · ' o · · - vent c11uelty to animals while in transit by r:ailroad or other means· of tion of the House and tile country~ S.fie wrote me in ali serious- transportation," etc., and paxticularly to. inquire into the condi'tion. ness, stating that she understood that the Government made o:t pens and yards into which live stock are unloaded and the manne1•· numereus publications upon all subjects, and. assuming that I of unloadlng. as a Member of Congress must be familiar with. their contents. Nowr the act of Congress provides what shall oe done by tile. Therefore she desired. me to answer this question: "What does Secreta~-y of Agriculture, and the appropriation gives him tile. it cost to keep a hen a year?" [Laughte1·.1 Compared with means to carry out the provisions of the act. Butthis provision that question th.e evaporation of the Salton Sea sinks. into utter changes the law. insignificance.. Mr. Chairman, we are upon the subject of ani- Mr. SCOTT. There was no intention to change tlle la:w. Tlie mal industry~ What animal is more industriolli'! than the hen? lan.gua·ge carried' i:n: the bill is simply that submitted in the esti Whose activity is more useful to the human ra:ce? The nightin- mates. gale, the lark, and the linnet have all had t.heiJ; praises t0ld in lUr. MANNr I suppose- that is- true story and in song, but the hen, more valuable to the human 1\fr. SCOTT: lam perfectly willing to ha-ve i± go out, and! r race than all othe.c birds, is compelled to sing hel' o"'ll lay. think the bill would be improved. [Laughte1·.r r do not wish to consume unnecessarily the time Mr. CRUMPACKER. What change does the gentleman from of_the House. My constituent went fur.thei: into detail and s11id Illinois sugge t? that if there were any differences, depending upon the different Mr. 1\fANN. To insert in place of what is in the oill tliis· breeds of hens, she would like to know the respective costs of pPovision, which is in conformity with the other provi ions in keeping hens of the dl1Ierent breeds. I will not go so far into the bill: detail that~ but now the gentleman from K.ansus [Mr. as ask For carrying out the provisions of the act of .Tune 2D, 1006, ent itled' ScoTT] the distinguished and capable chairman of the Com "Xnt aet to prevent eruel.ty to animals while in transit by rail1·oad or mittee on Agriculture~ in charge of this bill, and- ex-officio other means, o:ti transpm1:atfon." custodian. of all information.. relating. to such subjects, to inform :Ur. CRUMP:ACKER. It changes the phraseology, but not the· me, my constituent, the- House, and the country what answer significance I suppose all the work specified here can be done ought to be made to that questi<>n of such transcendent im under the provisions of the general act. What I do' net nlways portance and vast significance, " What does- it cost to keep a understand is. why it i.s necessru·y, whenever the Federal Gov hen a year?" ernment enacts a law with a penal pro"'fi ':on, that a battalion, The Clerk read as follows: or a h{JSt in many instances, of' special agent hall be ap General expenses, Bureau of Animal Industry : For carrying out the. pointed to go about to look up evid'ence to see if anybody is provisions of the act approved Ma-y 29, 1884, establishing the Bureau of Animal Industry, and the provisions of the act' approved March 3, violating the law. We have penal laws in every Sta,t , and 1891, providing for the safe transport and humane treatment of export it is rarely necessary to- create an army of spies to tra\el cattle- from the United States to foreign: countries-, and for other pur ru·ound over the State to see if they- can secure evidence tha:t poses ; and the provisions of the act approved February 2, 1903., to en able the Secretary of Agriculture· to more eff.ectually suppress and pre some citizen is vielating the- law. >ent the spread o! contagious and infectious disea-ses" of live stock, fs1:r. MANN~ I will say to the gentleman fi·om Indiana OD.t and for other parposes ; and alS0 the p.rovisions of the act a.ppcovcd that point that I had charge of the bill creating. th~ uct re~ March 3, 1905, to enable the Secretary of Agl:icultuce to estahlisli and maintain quarantine districts, to permit and regulate the movement of fer.red to and gaJve the mattel' a great deal of attention. We cattle and other live stock there:fi:om, and for other purpo es : Providecl, had long hearings on the subJect. It is perfectly self-evident, That live horses be entitled to the- same inspection as other animals I think, that an act requiring that li-re stock shall be unloaded herein named ~ to enable the Secretary of Agriculture to correct ev.ir dence and s-ecure the enforcement of the act o-t .Tune 29-, 1006, entitled at least once every thirty-six hours and fed and w::ttered in "An act to prevent cruelty to animals while in transit by- railroad or propel' pens- will not enforce itself where· both shipper and the other means of transportation," and' so forth, and particularly to in railroad eomp:my. for some reason desire to run over the time; quire into the condition of pens and yards into which live stock are un loaded, and the manner of unloading, in order that live stock in inter and that it is necessary for the Secretary of .Agriculture t state. commerce may secure humane treatment, including t1ie services of" have some means o:fl employing inspectors, where they suspect such persons as may be necessary in· the city of. Washington and ra.'ilroads. are violating· the law to watch at certain ya:cds a:nd elsewhere. see that railroads do not run OYer the time. 1\Ir. :MANN~ 1\fr. Chairm:lD, I reserve ar point of ordel:' on 1\fr. CRUMPACKER. Now, the Federal legislation is pre-di that paragraph. I sugge t to the gentleman in: charge of the cated upon the tbem:y that tller is no· virtue nor- sentiment of bill, in reference to the latter part of the· paragra-ph, why not humanity in tlle people. The States depend upon citizen~ for mak.e that nortion of the paragra{lh relating to- the: enfo.rcement .ic:formati Mr. l\1ANN. In my city we rdepend largely upon 4,000 police tru·y could give ev.erybody in the House points on the subject of men, and in the gentleman's own city they have a number ·Of agriculture, the House itself is a better judge of the language policemen., and in this city they have 750 policemen. ,of an appropriation bill than the Secretary of Agriculture. 1\fr. CllU:MP ACKER. That is true of all large cities, and true, Merely furnishing bim the means with which to carry out the more or less, <>f aU communities and municipalities, but the law is .all he desires, but the gentleman changes the law in this penal laws generally enacted by the States do not carry with bill. them authority to appoint a lot of State agents to go about Mr. SCOTT. He changes the law. throughout the country to :find out whether the laws are being Mr. M:ANN. I mean the bill proposes to change the law. That observed. It may be, and possiblyis true in this particular case, law was framed after a great deal of consideration. I do not that the law would be violated and thai there is no such senti know, but that this would change it in behalf of more humane ment against its violation in the various Stat-es throughout the treatment; perhaps it would change it in behalf of less humane country as would result in necessary information to the Federal treatment. I d<> not want to have that law changed upon~ grand juries and proper pr<>secutions. It ·may be that this is appropriation bilL I do want, h"Owever, to furnish the means nece ary, but it is one of the inst:anees I \\anted to call to the to carry out the law~ -attention of the committee. Mr. SOOTT. I have no doubt that the gentleman is in hearty We have now four or fLve thousand special agents, Gov-ern sympathy with the purposes of the law, and if in his judgment ment spies, traveling about over the country looking for viola the language w.hieh he proposes to substitute for that which is tion of t he penal laws of the United States-a great army of in the bill will carry forward effectively the .enforcement of the them, a system of espionage that we Gught not to tolerate tml.es.s law, I hav.e no Dbjeetion to the change. it is necessary for the proper enforcement <>f the law. This is a 1\lr. .POLLARD. I would like to inquire of the gentleman good law and I think it o·ught to be enforced, and it may be from Illinois whether these WOJ.'ds that the Secretary uses in that conditions· ru~ e such that in this case there ought to be his draft do not cover matter that is included in the bill, to granted to the Secretary of Agriculture public funds to use in which the gentleman .refers, in the law-is not the ground all collecting evidence and securing the vrosecution of offenders. covered? Mr. MANN. I do not understand there is any very large 1\Ir. MANN. If they do there ls no ·necessity of repeating ·amount estimated for in reference to this. It has required only the language in this bill. a few prosecutions to make the railroads wake ·up, .and they 1\Ir. POLLARD. That is what I was going to ~inquire into If ba v-e already collected, I may say to the gentleman, £0 far as in this ease. that is the case all tlmt is necessary here .is this law is conc-erned, from the railroads in penalties and fines to repeat the title of the act .and give complete authority to for neglect to <>bey this law more than the total cost will be do what is asked for. to enforce it for another year. Mr . .l\I.ANN. The first part of the paragraph -reads: Mr. SCOTT. Mr. Chairman, I think the gentleman from Fo-r carrying out the provisions of the aet approved May .29 1884 establishing the Bureau of Animal Indru;try, and tile provisions of Illinois [Mr. ~liNN] and perhaps other 1\!Ie.mbers of the House the act approved March 3, 1891, providing for the safe transport and will be interested in knowing that tbls particular language to humane treatment of export cattle from the United .States to foreign which the gentleman objects WftS included 1n a letter which countries, and for othe.r purposes. · :Mr. j1ADDEN. No; the point of order was reserved on the be-stamps that should indicate or guarantee their purity. I do whole paragraph and it has not been withdrawn. not understand that is the law. I may be wrong in my under The CHAIRMAN. The Chair thinks the point raised by the standing. The gentleman is more familiar with the statutes gentleman from Kansas is well taken. than I am. 1\Ir. MADDEN. 1\Ir. Chairman, I desire to ask the gentleman l\fr. SCOTT. The current act, as I have just stated, contains from Illinois, my colleague, w..hether or not he did not reserve exactly this language. the point of order on the whole paragraph? Mr. PERKINS. You mean that the last appropriation bill The CHAIRMAN. The Chair understood that, but the com may have contained a similar provision? mittee has adopted an amendment since that time. 1\Ir. SCOTT. It is true, as the gentleman suggests, that the· Mr. 1\IADDEN. But the point of order, Mr. Chairman, was language to which he has referred has no legal existence except not yielded up by any Member on this fioor, and I submit that as it is carried from year to year in this appropriation bill. the point of order, as long as it was reserved on the whole The House adopted it several years ago because a situation had paragraph, applied to every part of the paragraph, and the fact grown up in Europe which seemed to threaten our trade in dairy that one special part of the paragraph was modified-- products unless something could be done to give them a better The· CHAIRMAN. The Chair understands, however, that the standing than they then had. The Secretary of Agriculture adoption of an amendment is a waiver, and the Chair so holds. was of the opinion that by the expenditure of a very small sum Mr. SCOTT. 1\Ir. Chairman, I am very willing to give the of money each year he would be able to issue the certificates gentleman information in regard to this language. provided for in this language, and he has been doing that work 1\Ir. MADDEN. I am not saying that I would insist upon the with very beneficial results to our commerce. point of order, but I simply wanted to know from the chairman 1\Ir. PERKINS. Now, exactly, what has the Secretary of of the committee the purpose of the language that is used in Agriculture done? What does he do? For instance, cheese or this connection. butter is sent to Europe. Is that all inspected. by the Govern 1\Ir: SCOTT. Mr. Chairman, this language was used in every ment and certified? appropriation bill for the Department of Agriculture from the 1\Ir. SCOTT. 1\Iy understanding of the conduct of the inspec passage of the act referred to up until the passage of the meat tion is that wheneYer certificates are asked for they are given. inspection law. Members of the House will remember that the I confess that it has been so many years since this matter was meat-inspection law came irito the appropriation bill the second discussed before the committee that I am not able to give the year after it was passed, and was stricken out on the ground gentleman the details of the work. . that it was not necessary to repeat it, and the Clerk in striking 1\fr. PERKINS. The gentleman in charge of the bill must out the "meat-inspection amendment," as it was called, inad concede that under the wording of the bill, as he reports it, vertently took out the language providing for the enforcement the Secretary of Agriculture would be authorized to ascertain of this act of 1891, and this bill simply restores that language. the purity and quality, and cause to be marked and stamped The Clerk read as follows: and labeled every pound of butter and every pound of cheese To enable the Secretary of Agriculture to collect and disseminate in and every pound of the enormous amount of dairy products sent formation concerning live stock, dairy, and other animal products, and to prevent the spread of pleuro-pneumonia, black leg, tuberculosis, sheep from this country to Europe-a power, certainly, which would scab glanders or farcy, hog cholera, and other diseases of animals, and involve the expense of hundreds of thousands of dollars and for this purpose to employ as many persons in the city of Washington would cause the Government of the United States, if this power or elsewhere as he may deem necessary, and to purchase and destroy diseased or exposed animals or quarantine the same whenever, in his was exercised, to take entire charge of an industry, examine it, judgment, it is essential to prevent the spread of pleuro-pneumonia, guarantee it, and certify it before the goods could be sold. tuberculosis, or other diseases of animals from one State to another; 1\Ir. SCOTT. Evidently some limitation is put upon the dis to improve and maintain the Bureau experiment station at Bethesda, 1\Id. and to construct and alter buildings thereon as may be necessary cretion of the Secretary by the act of 1895, which is referred to fro~ time to time In his discretion; to establish, improve, and main here, because the gentleman will notice that the language is as tain quarantine stations, to construct and alter buildings thereon as follows: may be necessary from time to time, and to provide proper shelter and equipment for the care of neat cattle, domestic and other animals im To include dairy products intended for exportation to any foreign pot·ted, at such ports as may be deemed necessary; to prepare and country, and the Secretary of Agriculture may apply under rules and publish reports relating to animal industry; to rent suitabl~ buildings regulations to be prescribed by him the provisions of said act. in the District of Columbia, to be used for office, laboratory, and This simply authorizes him to prescribe the regulations that storage purposes for said Bureau of Animal Industry for purposes other than meat inspection: P1·ovided, That the act of March 3, 1891, as may be necessary in order to put into practical effect the provi amended March 2, 1895, for the inspection of live cattle and products sions of the act of 1895. thereof, shall be deemed to include dairy products intended for ex l\Ir. PERKINS. Let me ask the gentleman, who has drawn portation to any foreign country, and the Secretary: of Agriculture may apply, under rules and regulations to be prescribed by him, the this bill doubtless with care, if the act of 1895 does include provisions of said act for inspection and certification appropriate for dairy products, if there is any necessity for saying it may be ascertaining the purity and quality of such products, and may cause deemed to include dairy products? A provision in a bill in the same to be so marked, stamped, or labeled as to secure their identity and make known in the markets of foreign countries to which which some act is referred to that Congress has passed, and they may be sent from the United States their purity, quality, and grade; which then provides this shall be deemed to contain some other and all the provisions of said act relating to live cattle and products power, I think we always view with just distrust. thereof for export shall apply to dairy products so inspected and certi fied: Provided also, That the Secretary of Agriculture is authorized to If the law the gentleman refers to when it was made con purchase in the open market samples of all tuberculin serums, antitoxins, tained the words" to be deemed," and so forth, then it would be or analogous products, of foreign or domestic manufacture, which are right; but if it does not contain that, I do not think that on a sold in the United States for the detection, prevention, treatment, or cure of diseases of domestic animals, to test the same and to publish the general appropriation bill it should be changed so that it will results of said tests in such manner as be may deem best: Provided also, have that effect. That the Secretary of Agriculture is authorized to investigate, in co Mr. SCOTT. The gentleman is undoubtedly correct in the operation with municipal and State authorities, or in such otbet· ways as be may deem best, and to report to Congress upon the prevalence construction of the words " to be deemed " contained in the net and extent of tuberculosis among dairy cattle in the United States, of 1895. It obviously provided for the inspection of live stock $947,200. and products thereof going into our export trade, and the lan Mr . .MADDEN. :Mr. Chairman, I desire to reserve a point of guage of this bill simply extends that to dairy products, and order on the paragraph, and will ask the chairman of the that carries with it the limitation put upon the Secretary's dis committee if he will not be kind enough to explain that part of cretion in the original act. the paragraph beginning with the word " also," on page 11, Mr. PERKINS. But this bill says that products of the dairy line 22, and ending on page 12, line 2? "shall be deemed," and so forth, a construction which perhaps 1\fr. PERKINS. 1\Ir. Chairman, I desire to reserve specially a is not authorized. · point of order to a portion of the paragraph beginning at the Mr. DRISCOLL. What in the world do the products of live word "provided," line 25, page 10, and extending to and includ stock mean unless they include dairy products? ing line 14, page 11. l\fr. PERKINS. That would depend upon the way the law l\fr. SCO'l'T. Taking these points of order in the order in of 1895 is drawn. which they come in the bill, and referring first to the one raised 1\Ir. DRISCOLL. They would include dairy products. by the gentleman from New York [1\Ir. PERKINS], I would like 1\.fr. OLMSTED. Would it include oleomargarine? to inquire what his objection is? Exactly identical language Mr. PERKINS. Would it include oleomargarine? has been carried in the bill for many years. :Mr. DRISCOLL. We might call it a dairy product; it has 1\Ir. PERKINS. Of course, the law of 1895 is an existing milk and butter in it. statute, but I did not understand-perhaps I am wrong in my 1\Ir. SCOTT. We are to assume that a reasonable limitation understanding-that that authorized the Secretary of Agricul and restriction as a safeguard and restraint would be made in ture to practically establish tests of all dairy products, and to the regulations under this law by the proper authority, and sta.l)lp upon all dairy products that may be sent from this under the language of this bill all these limitati~ns and re" country to any other country--cheese, butter, whatever it might strictions and regulations were extended also to the provisions 1908. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. :J047. in regard to dairy products; so that I am sure the gentleman's :ur. 1\IADDE....r. I will specify it. Beginning at "Provided," appTehension in regard to extravagant expenditures in the car in line 21, on page 11, there is the following language : rying out of this law are unfounded. P1·ovided also, That the Secretary of Agriculture is authorized to in Mr. PERKINS. How much is spent under it? vestigate, in connectio-n with municipal and State authorities or in such other ways as he may deem .best, and to report to Congress upon The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman has expired. the prevalence and extent of tuberculosis among dairy cattle in the Mr. SCOTT. I ask unanimous consent that the gentleman United States, $047,200. may be allowed five minutes more. That is the language against which I make the point of order. TheTe was no objection. l\Ir. SCOTT. 1\Ir. Chairman, the committee regards the Mr. PERKINS. How much is expended under this clause? language against which the point of order has just been raised What is done under it? This is a very broad clause. I do not as of very great importance, and hopes it will not be eliminated want to interfere with something that is being interpreted in from this bill. The Bureau of Animal Industry has already a reasonable and proper way. done a good deal of work in studying tuberculosis and the extent Mr. MANN. Will the gentleman allow me? I think this thereof among the dairy herds of the United States. As a clause was inserted here at the particular instance of the gen result of its studies, disclosures haxe been made which certainly tleman from New York [Mr. SHERMAN]. A few years ago he show the pressing importance of further inYestigation. It has introduced, and we passed, first, in the Interstate Commerce been shown, for example, that dairy cows apparently in perfect Committee, a provision which subsequently became law in condition, so slightly affected by tuberculosis that the pre~ ence reference to the branding and marking of dairy products in of the malady can only be disclosed by the application of the interstate commerce for the purpose of preventing butter and tuberculin test, were actively giving out the germs of the dis cheese being wrongly labeled as to the point of origin. The ease. The sediment from separators in the publlc creameries gentleman's oWn. State produces a Yery high quality of cheese. has been examined, and tubercle bacilli have been found in 25 and a great deal of chee§e from other States was shipped and per cent of the samples. I think likely the dairy herds which sold as certain brands of New York cheese. The same was supply the city of Washington are in as healthy condition as true of butter. That provision went into l-aw as to interstate those which supply other cities of our land, and yet a recent ex commerce, and the same people who were anxious to haye that amination showed that 18 per cent of the cows included within law enacted were also anxious to have their cheese and butter those herds were suffering from tuberculosis. that was exported so labeled that it might be known abroad Now, when it is remembered that practically all dairy prod whether it wa.s b-utter and cheese that came from New York or ucts are consumed in a raw state, that the tubercle bacilli the Elgin district in Illinois, or Wisconsin, or less favored thrive and multiply in milk, that they live for a hundred days districts. or more in butter, it certainly is hard to overestimate the im Mr. PERKINS. But the gentleman would not regard it as portance, both from the standpoint of economy and for the advisable to have the Government undertake the inspection and protection of the public health, of taking some steps to eradi the certification of any great article of produce like butter and cate this evil. There has been a very insistent demand from cheese. If it is going to do that, sooner or later the law will be many quarters that the Federal Government should enter upon extended to every branch of business. I am sure my friend the inspection of dairy products entering into interstate com from Illinois would not be in favor of that. merce, as we now inspect meat food products. It is the opinion Mr. MANN. Well, I see no reason why it should not be done of your committee, however, that this matter can be safely to the extent it is done in the ca.se of butter, by undertaking to left to local regulation, provided the need of such regulation can say that these dairy products shall not be wrongfully branded as be made apparent, and it is in the belief that such an investiga to their point of origin; and that is practically all that is done in tion as authorized here would make that n eed apparent that this matter. the language referred to has been inserted. We believe that Mr. SCOTT. I am now able to answer the gentleman's in if the Secretary can be permitted to take a tuberculosis census quiry as to the cost of this work. The Chief of the Bureau of of the dairy herds of the country the results will be so startling Animal Industry submits the following statement: that local sentiment everywhere will compel measures to be taken to eradicate or at least to minimize the danger. I hope, This work covers general investigations In dairy subjects ; special lines of work relating to dairy organizations, laws, and de-velopment therefore, the gentleman from Illinois will feel warranted in of foreign markets; investigations in the manufacture of dairy products, withdrawing his point of order. inspection of dairy exports and of fa.ctorie-s and markets for renovated l\fr. :MADDEN. It is a well-known fact, 1\Ir. Chairman, that butter. The cost was $58,777.18 for salaries, $23,278.79 for traveling every State in the Union and every great municipality in every expenses, $11,878.22 for miscellaneous items; a total of $93,934.19. State makes provision for the inYestigation which is proposed And that was spent on all the dairy investigations which in to be made here. The District of Columbia, through its Com cluded inspection of creameries and violations of the law relat missioners, only a few days ago appeared before the Appropria ing to renovated butter. tions Committee, or the .subcommittee having charge of the bill Mr. PERKINS. Has the gentleman such knowledge of the carrying appropriations for the District of Columbia. In that results of this appropriation that he thinks it really of suffi bill provision is made for the very character of im-estigatiou cient value to the business of the country that these appropria sought to be made in the bill now before the House. tions .for these "Various investigations should be continued? Of The great cities of New York and Buffalo and Chicago, and cour e, that means they will become permanent, or has he no every oth~r city in the Union, make provision for this "Very kind knowledge on the subject? of investigation. Inspectors are appointed under the control of hlr. SCOTT. Yes; I have some knowledge on the subject. I the health departments of all the great cities of the Union. remember, when the question came before the committee some These inspectors go to the farms adjoining the cities. They ex year ago, that grieYous complaint was made on the part of for amine the herds from which the milk is procured for consump eign purchasers of our dairy products that the foreign markets tion in those cities. They almost dictate the character of the were being stocked with renovated butter. It was sent over food to be consumed by the cattle furnishing the milk for the from the United States without any inspection, put on the mar people in those cities. ket there as pure creamery butter, and as a result the dairy We have the information upon which to base the prohibition products of the United States were brought into disrepute and of food products of this character by the people in the community we were liable to lose our foreign markets for those products. represented by them. This is a legal function, in my judgment. Since this provision has been carried in the law that has been There is no reason why the Federal Government should appro corrected, and the small amount of money that has been spent priate a million dollars to tabulate the information already in has had very good results. possession of the municipalities of the country. Mr. NORRIS. ·will the gentleman yield? .Mr. PERKINS. I am not very clear, but I will withdraw 1\Ir. MADDEN. Certainly. the 11oint of order. Mr. NORRIS. I think the gentleman is entirely mistaken in Mr. :MADDEN. There is a point of order pending. a.ssuming that a million dollars is appropriated for that purpose. 1\Ir. SCOTT. Referring now to the point of order-- Mr. 1\IADDEN. It is $947,000. The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman has again ex .Mr. NORRIS. That $947,000 covers all the items. pired. Mr. MADDEN. Then, if the $947,000 is intended to cover all hlr. SCOTT. I will ask for another extension. these several hundred items, I have a complaint to make about The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman asks unanimous consent the manner in which the committee has performed its duty, for that his time be extended five minutes. Is there objection? I believe that the committee should furnish the information to . There was no objection. this ·House upon wlpch this House can base an intelligent judg Mr. CRUMPACKER. Will the gentleman from Illinois specify ment a.s to how much money is to be used for each specific pur his point of order? pose. 4Q48 CONGRESSION.AL RECORD-HOUSE. . MARCH 27, 1\Ir. POLLARD. Will the gentleman allow me a suggestion? of tlle gentleman from Kansas [Mr. ScoTT] is very pertinent, 1\Ir. MADDEN. I will yield to the gentleman. Why is it necessary to carry this item in an appropriation act 1\lr. POLLARD. I can say for the information of the gentle- that is already authorized by law? I do not quite agree my- man that the Secretary only estimated that he would need self with the position of the gentleman from Kansas that it $25,000 for this purpose. is necessary in order to make use _of the appropriation . for l\lr. MADDEN. Then there ought to be some information this purpose, if the authority be granted in the act to carry out upon which Members who are not so .fortunate as to be associ- the provisions of the act of May 29, 1 84; but here is the a ted with the Committee on Agriculture can base their action point: The act of 1884 creating the Bureau of Animal Industry on these matters. authorized the Secretary of Agriculture, then the Commissioner Mr. BURLESON. The gentleman can find it in the hearings. of Agriculture, to cooperate with the authorities of different l\Ir. MADDEN. No one has a copy of the hearings until the States as to all contagious, infectious, and communicable dis bill is before the House, and then no opportunity is given to eases among cattle or live stock. Under that provision, If an Members to read the hearings. appropriation be made to carry out the provisions of the act of Mr. SCOTT. Does not the gentleman from Illinois realize 1\Iay 29, 1884, the Secretary of Agriculture has authority not that it is absolutely impossible for a great scientific Department, merely to expend money upon the subject of investigating tuber such as the Department of Agriculture, to forecast in detail culosis, but any other communicable disease. But Congress, every dollar of expenditure during the entire year? Does he in making the appropriations, has the power to liimt that au not realize that the appropriation in a lump sum is absolutely I thority given to the Secretary of Agriculture and say that this essential for carrying on the work of the Department? money shall be expended for the investigation of tuberculosis, Mr. MADDEN. If it is so impossible for a scientific depart- pleuro-pneumonia, or such other diseases as he may name, ment to tell what it will cost to do a scientific work, how much provided they are inserted in the general language of the orig more difficult must it be for men on the floor of the House, who inal act; so that the provision here is a mere limitation ·made make no pretense whatever to being scientific, to tell what by Congress upon the original act, 'which gave authority to have amount is necessary by the scientific language used in the bill. cooperation upon all communicable, infectious, and contagious "-'e have here one more item that would puzzle the most scien- diseases. tific gentleman on the floor to tell how much the expense will Mr. BURLESON. And it is clearly within the scope of the be under it. On page 10, lines 15 and 16, " to construct and original act. _alter buildings thereon as may be necessary from t~me to time 1\Ir. MANN. Undoubtedly within the scope of the original in his discretion." Who can tell how much money IS to .be ex- act. pended for this purpose? Who ~an tell how far the discretion Mr. OL...\ISTED. Mr. Chairman, as I understn.nd, the point of the Secretary of Agriculture IS. to go? 'Yhy not spend ~he of order is made to the proT"iso on the bottom of page 11. It whole of tlle $9~7,000 ~or. the repair and .mamtenance of bmld- does not seem to me to be a limitation upon any appropriation. ings and changrng bml~ngs? What evidence have we from It simply says the Secretary of Agriculture is authorized to tlle lang':lage . in the blll to sho~ us ~ha~ any part of. t~e inT"estigate. There is nothing negative about it, nothing re $947,000 IS gorng to be spent for mv.estigatrng tuberculosis m strictive about it. It appears on its face to be giving him an cattle? ~hat assural?-ce can tl~e chairman or the members of authority which he does not now possess. It may be a very the Committee on Agriculture give to the House that the whole desirable authority, but we are discussing now simply a point of the $~7,000 wi!l 1?-ot be spent f?r any one of these purposes? of order. It seems to me that upon its face it is plainly legis- 1.\Jr. Chatrman, I mstst ?n the pomt~·of order. . . lation-certainly it is not a limitation upon any appropriation . .Mr. SCOTT. Mr. Chmr.man, s~ea.kmg to the ~ornt of order, I .Mr. :MANN. No; not a limitation upon the appropriation, WISh to respectfully submit that It ~s not ob~oxiOus to the r~le, but by the appropriation a limitation upon the existing author for the reason that the language obJected to IS solely to provide ity of the Secretary of Agriculture for carrying into .effect the existing law: The act of May ~· 1\!r. OLMSTED. Then it chang~s existing law. 1884, which established the Bureau of Ammal Industry, made It Mr MANN Oh not at all the duty of the Chief. of that B_oreau .to investi_gate and report 1\!r: OLMSTED.' And a thlng that limits existing authority on the ~ond~tio~ of dtseased ammals m the Umte~ States, and changes existing law. also to mqmre mto and report the causes of contagiOus and com- M M.A.:.NN It d t 1' 't h' th •t t . th municable diseases among them and the means of prevention r. · o~s no Imi IS ~u ort Y excep. m e and cure of the same; and to collect such information on these way of. money to ~arry o~t the a?thority. The authority that b · t h II b luable to the agricultural and commercial he has IS not chanced: ~Is duty IS not changed, b?t the means ~u Jec s ass a e T"a to execute the authority IS chan<>"ed. Has the chmrman before mterests of the country. hi th t f 1884? o He is also to examine and report upon the best methods of m e ac 0 · . . treating, transporting, and caring for animals, and the means The CHAIRMAN: !es .. Th~ Chatr would ~Ike to sa! to the to be adopted for the suppression and extirpation of contagious gentleman ~rom Illrnois righ~ m that connection th.at It seems pleuro-pneumonia, and to provide against the spreaC2 of other to the 1\Ir. UADDEN. 1\Ir. Chairman, I submit that is subject to a .. .M:r. MADDEN. I do not desire to make the point of order point of order, and I want to reserve a point of order upon it. on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Kansas. · The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Illinois reserves the The CHAIRMAN. The Chair wishes simply to say to the point of order upon the amendment. gentleman from Texas [l\fr. BURLESON] that the only embar · :Mr. GAINES of Tennessee. 1\fr. Chairman, this act creating rassing word in the original language was the word " author the Bureau of Animal Indush·y is not only very broad, but very ized." The Chair considered that if the law did authorize it, elastic. I want to call the Chair's attention, while I discuss as some other language would be more suitable. well as I can the point of order, to this language: '.'That the l\fr. GAINES of Tennessee. The gentleman from Illinois [Mr. Commissioner of Agriculture shall organize in his Department MADDEN], I understand, has withdrawn the point of order. a Bureau of Animal Industry." That is one thing he must do. Mr. POLLARD rose. "And shall appoint a chief thereof, who shall be a competent 1\Ir. STAFF.ORD. I would like to suggest, before having the veterinary surgeon." That is another thing. "And whose duty motion put on the amendment-- it shall be to investigate and report upon the condition of the The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from Nebraska [Mr. PoL domestic animals of the United States." It does not say how LARD] is recognized. he shall investigate, it does not say he shall or shall not cooper 1\Ir. POLLARD. I yield to the gentleman from ;"Wisconsin ate with States or counties. o:n the contrary, the whole propo [Mr. STAFFORD]. . sition is left wide open to his discretion, plus the discretion of Mr. STAFFORD. Is it not rather out of place to have the the Secretary of Agriculture, who is in charge of this Bureau. amendment follow the proviso in line 21, as it has not much Now go a little further, "and also inquire into and report continuity to that subject-matter? the cause of contagious, infectious, and communicable diseases Mr. SCOTT. The whole proviso went out. among them." It does not say how or with whom he shall in l\fr. STAFFORD. I would suggest it would be more relevant quire. Now, let us go back. How shall the Bureau of Animal In after the word "another," line 13, page 10. It does not seem to dustry operate? " Shall appoint surgeons," and so forth, "whose connect very well with the previous proviso as found on line 15, duty it shall be to investigate," and so forth. What else? "And page 11. . . also "-that is to say, the Bureau of Animal Industry, now Mr. SCOTT. I would like to say that the place just suggested either directly, the Secretary himself, or through his agent by the gentleman from Wisconsin as the best place for the in " shall inquire into and report the causes of contagious, infec sertion of this amendment is the place at which I intended to tious, and communicable diseases among them and the needs for have it put. It was a mistake in making the notation on the the prevention and the cure for the same." What else? "And to amendment, and I would be glad if consent could be gi1en to collect such information on the subjects as shall be valuable to have it changed. the agricultural and commercial interests of the country." It The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will report the change in the does not say how he shall collect. Now, all on earth, Mr. amendment. Chairman, that this provision does is to say what is already The Clerk read as follows : the law. This law is so broad, gives so much discretion to the Page 13, line 10, after the word " another." Department, that they can go down and work, as they have 1\Ir. POLLARD. l\Ir. Chairman, last night my colleague [Mr. done, 1\Ir. Chairman, right in the State of Tennessee, and they HINSHAW] was called to Indiana on account of the serious ill did not go straight to the seat of the h·ouble, not at all. ness of his wife's father. He desired to submit some remarks The milk sickness-by the way, Mr. Chairman, that was upon this bill, and he requested me to ask unanimous consent called to my attention by wire from home when I happened that the House grant him permission to insert in the RECORD to be here and I went to the Department and what did they some remarks on the bill when he returns. do? They sent an agent down there and what did he do? He The CHA.IRMAN. The gentleman from Nebraska [l\Ir. went to Nashville, the State capital, and sought and found PoLLARD] asks unanimous consent that his colleague [Mr. and cooperated with the head of the animal indush·y for that HINSHAW] may extend his remarks in the RECORD: Is there State and the two went together and investigated that dread objection! ful sickness-milk sickness-which, by the way, caused the There was no objection. death of Abraham Lincoln's mother. The cause or cure for 1\lr. l\IANN. 1\lr. Chairman, I suggest to the gentleman from it never has been known. Now, Mr. Chairman, it is -very clear, _Kansas [Mr. ScoTT] that the appropriation went out of this. the language I quote, that e-ven if this language is not put Mr. SCOTT. I understood the gentleman from Illinois [l\Ir. into the bill here the Department has discretion, and it is 1\IADDEN] withdrew the point of order against the appropriation. merely declaratory of the discretion it has and a writing out Mr. MANN. He made a point of order to the end of the of the powers that the Secretary of Agriculture already has. paragraph, and the point of order wa.s sustained, and the gen It is not a change of existing law nor is it making new law. tleman from Kansas can offer a motion to put in the amount, It is simply writing down in black and white what is already $947,200, at the end of the paragraph. · the law. Mr. SCOTT. Mr. Chairman, if that is the case I move that 1\Ir. BURLESON. Mr. Chairman, just one moment on the the appropriation be restored. ' point of order. As I understand it the gentleman from Kansas The CII.A.IRl\IAN. Is there objection? had consented to a modification of this item by offering a new There was no objection. item with a view of · eliminating the words, "in cooperation Mr. STAFFORD. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike out the with municipal and State authorities." From my viewpoint it last word. 1\fy purpose in making this pro forma amendment was unnecessary for him to have done that, because clearly is to obtain some information as to the policy of the committee under the law, as I believe it can be shown, the item as in combining various and diverse subjects ill one appropriation originally carried in the bill was in order. Let us look to the act carrying in the aggregate $947,000. I notice here on page 10, of 1862 establishing the Department of Agriculture. It provided beginning with line 13, an item, "To improve and maintain that "the duties of which "-that is, the duties of the Depart the Bureau Experiment Station, at Bethesda, l\Id.," and be ment of Agriculture-" shall be to acquire "-it does not say ginning on line 16, "To establish, improve, and maintain how; it does not say whether through its head individually or quarantine stations, to construct and alter buildings thereon · whether in cooperation with _scientists or in cooperation with as· may be necessary from time to time, and to provide proper State authorties or county authorities or with municipal au shelter and equipment for the care of neat cattle, domestic and thorities-but "to acquire "-using the word in its broadest other animals imported," and so forth. The purpose of my sense-" and diffuse among the people of the United States use inquiry is to ascertain whether the committee has any figures ful information on subjects connected with agriculture, in the of the estimates that were furnished by the Department as most general and comprehensive sense of the word." · to what would be needed in these respective items during Could the scope of this law be made broader? Consider the coming fiscal year. further, in connection with this law, that under the act of 1\Ir. SCOTT. Mr. Chairman, speaking to the gentleman's gen 1 80, creating this -Department of Agriculture, it provides that eral inquiry, I wish to say that prior to this year the estimates "all laws ·relating to the Department of Agriculture in exist as they came from the Department were not lilliform as to the ence as far as applicable to the new Department are continued location in a lump-sum paragraph of the total amount of appro in full force and effect." I can not see how it can for a moment priation. In some of the paragraphs the total amount of appro be contended that the item as originally drawn and carried in priation carried to provide for all t~e subjects in that para the bill is not authorized by law. And, of course, if the original graph would appear close to the beginning of it, and in some item was not subject to the point of order, the item as amended other paragraphs they would appear close to the end, so that would not be. looking through a printed copy of the law one would have to · 1'\ow, if that is the law, why is it that the item as it was read it practically word by word in order to find the appropria originally carried in this bill is not authorized by the law? It tion for each particular paragraph. Your committee ooUeyed undoubtedly is. ' that it would be better t o make the bill consistent in this r e- XLII-254 11050 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. J\lARCH 27 ------r------~-----'· spect, and hence it has carried the appropriation for each para-" to the amolmt that would be needed for repairs at Bethesda graph to the end of that paragraph, so that anyone looking at upon the property that was likely to exist at this particular sta- the law hereafter may by glancing at the end of a paragraph tion. · catch_ the amount appropriated for that purpose. 1\Ir. SCOTT. The gentleman asked for a concrete illush·ation. :Mr. STAFFORD. Oh, yes; you can catch the total amount I gave him one and now he jeers at it. Let me suggest a little that is appropriated, but we have nothing to determine .how better one, perhaps. The law authorizes the Secretary to Rtamp much is going to be expended in these respective items. The out contagi?us diseases among domestic animals whereyer they Secretary of Agriculture, lmder the phraseology here stated, may occur m any part of the United States. would have the right to expend $9'47,000 for the establishment Now, there may be in the gentleman's own State or in my and maintenance of quarantine stations. There is no limitation State a particularly virulent outbreak of some very contagious whatsoev-er on the Secretary as to the amount to· be expended. or infectious disease, which would do incalculable damage if it In some appropriation bills that are reported we are particu were not quickly stamped out. But we could not possibly foresee larly careful to place limitations as to the amount that the De such a contingency, and if we had ·divided our appropriation partment head may expend, and I wish to inquire, and that is up into specific items, the entire amount of it, how would you the purpose of my making this query, as to the policy of the com take care of a contingency of that kind 7 mittee in combining various items and leaving it entirely to the 1\fr. STAFFORD. Just in the way we take care of it in the haphazard judgment and will of the Secretary of Agriculture. postal seTvice, which is a much greater serYice than this agri , 1\Ir. SCO'l'T. The query of the gentleman is a very pertinent cultural service, and where the needs of the service are far more one, and I am entirely willing to·answer it. In the first place, difficult to calculate than in providing for the contingencies sug it would not be possible, as the gentleman suggests, for the Sec gested by the chairman of the committee. I do not claim that retary of Agriculture to expend this entire $900,000 for the pur they should designate the places where these quarantine stations pose of maintaining the quarantine stations. If he did that he should be established; but I do maintain, and I do not believe would not have enough left to pay the expenses of carrying for the gentleman has advanced anything to show to the contrary, ward the other work. that it is not possible fot· the committee to limit the amount to 1\lr. STAFFORD. He could neglect the other work, and the be expended in these respective items. Yea, more, his very Comptroller of the Treasury would sustain his position. He contention is that the total amount has been based upon some' could expend the $900,000 for any one of these respective items. estimates, and if in the judgment of the committee it were I am not saying that it is a probable case, but we have nothing thought better to so segregate the items, I believe he could here to show how much of the expenditures out of the total is readily take those figures as the basis of his calculation. for buildings and quarantine stations. That subject is entirely 1\fr. LAMB. Will the gentleman allow me to state it in a nut different from the investigation of tubercular troubles. shell? 1\Ir. SCOTT. If the gentleman will allow me, I stated a mo 1\Ir. SCOTT. I shall be most happy to haye it done. ment ago that in providing for the expenditures of a great sci :Mr. LAMB. In the first place you can not possibly have a bill entific Department like this it would be absolutely impossible to of particulars for each one of these accounts, and for all the make specific appropriations. For example- operations of such a Department as that of Agriculture. In the 1\'Ir. STAFFORD. Then do I understand the gentleman to next place there must be authority lodged somewhere, and re convey the idea that when the committee arrh-ed at the total sponsibility, and· trust. We can trust the Secretary of Agri of $947,000 for all these items it had not before it any segre culture in this matter. Then, again, you have there in the divi gated estimates of the expenditures needed for the v-arious sion of accounts a regular system of bookkeeping that shows ac items to be expended during the coming year? curately the expendituTe for each bureau and division, and is Mr. SCOTT. The committee bad before it this volume [indi admirably managed. The hearings before our committee show, cating]. this. 1\Ir. STAFFORD. Very voluminous. I would like to ask if [The time of Ur. STAFFORD having expired, by unanimous con the gentleman, in preparing the bill, preferred to take lump sent it was extended two minutes.] sums rather than go through the tremendous details. as other 1\Ir. STAFFORD. I do not question but what the money to be committees do, and segregate and limit the appropriations? expended must be upon vouchers submitted, but I do contend .Mr. SCOTT. This yolume contains the detailed estimates and emphasize the fact that there is no limitation whatsoever of the ·various Department officials or people making them, and upon the Secretary of Agriculture in expending any amount that the work they expected to carry forward in all their different he may see fit for any of these respective items. lines during the next fiscal year. The committee, in arriving Mr. CRUMPACKER. If the gentleman will permit me. six at its conclusions, questioned the chiefs of these bureaus in or eight years ago I went through this same discussion myself regard to each item of expenditure submitted in their estimates, on the floor of the House and criticised the agricultural appro and exercised its own judgment then as to whether the amount priation bill because it carried a lump-sum appropriation. I which they asked should be allowed. It did not put a limit finally reached the conclusion that the whole agricultural serv upon each specific item, because that would not be possible, ice is discretionary in the main, and of a scientific and even of but it considered e\ery specific item in reaching its conclusion. an emergency character, and that the system of ad:ministra tion 1\fr. STAFFORD. Will the gentleman state the amount-- can not be intelligently compared with the administration of the The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman has expired. Post-Office Department, or any other of the great Departments Mr. STAFFORD. I ask unanimous consent that my time of the Government, and that the only practical way is to make may be extended fi'e minutes. lump-sum appropriations, in view of the fact of the broad dis There was no objection. cretion that the whole law v-ests in the Secretary of Agriculture . 1\Ir. STAFFORD. Will the gentleman state the amount that to do this or that thing or not to do it, as he deems best. wonld be needed for this item, which is separate and distinct Mr. STAFFORD. I shall certainly be influenced by the gen from the others, "to improve and maintain the Bureau experi tleman's judgment after investigation of this subject, and am ment station at Bethesda, 1\ld., and to· construct and alter v-ery glad to hear that he gave it consideration, though I can the buildings thereon as may b~ necessary from time to time not conclude, even with all deference to his decision, that some in his discretion." Is that something in the maze of difficulty of these items are not capable of separation and segregation. beyond the point of limitation? Mr. POLLARD. I want to remind the gentleman from Wis . l\lr. SCOTT. It would be absolutely impossible to place a consin of his inconsistency. I can not help feeling that in these limitation upon that appropriation. The language authorizes discussions he has become somewhat captious. Yesterday he the Department to construct and repair buildings. The build took the floor here and argued repeatedly that the committee ings at Bethesda, with the exception of the residence of the had gone P..ntirely wrong in inserting in the bill the places where man in charge of the station, are cheap, temporary structures, the committee thought the observation stations should be sheds and pens, that ·are nsed for the care of animals that are erected. Now, to-day, he comes in and criticises the committee under inspection there. It sometimes happens when a severe because we are liberal and lodge that authority in. the hands case of contagious disease is under in\estigation it may be of the Secretary of Agriculture. necessary to burn the shed in which the animal afflicted with 1\Ir. STAFFORD. Will the gentleman permit me? the disease was stabled. A windstorm may come along and 1\Ir. POLLARD. Gladly. topple over some Of these buildings, and this provision is neces Mr. STAFFORD. If the gentleman hnd followed the re sary to cover such a contingency. marks I just made, he would haYe learned that I stated •ery l\Ir. STAFFORD. Perha11s that prev-ents the committee from definitely, or tried to state definitely, that I had no objection arriving at a certain estimate, because a windstorm may come whatsoe\er to •oting a lump-sum appropriation for any of these along and topple over the buildings, and so it might be beyond respecti\e purposes, and that my objection was leveled :rester the range of human ingenuity to arrive at an estimate; but I day at a policy that might grow into an abuse; and when the can not see the reason why an estimate can not be furnished as amendment was offered this morning vesting in a subordinate 1908. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. Ll05I head the establishment of these weather stations I made no Mr. DRISCOLL. This bill says "to purchase and destroy objection to it, because it vested in him the discretion to locate diseased or exposed animals, or quarantine the same, whenever those stations, but it limited the amount. My purpose in making in his judgment it is essential to prevent the spread of pleuro the objection is to the fact that you limit in nowise at all the pneumonia, tuberculosis, or other diseases." expenditure of nearly a million dollars to any one of these items Mr. SCOTT. That is in accordance with the law that we when they are capable of segregation. Notwithstanding the passed some years ago, and was intended merely to guard gentleman's criticism, I am still consistent. against extreme contingencies, such an occasion as arose in 1\lr. POLLARD. I insist that the gentleman is not consist New England three years ago when we had an outbreak of the ent. I do-not care to argue the point, but I want to call his foot-and-mouth disease, for which Congress passed an emer attention to the fact that yesterday he took the ground that gency appropriation of $500,000, $250,000 of which was spent, we ought not to insert in the bill the places where the build and a part of it in paying for herds that it was thought might ings were to be constructed, and to satisfy his whim it was have been exposed, but had not then shown any evidence of changed; and now to-day, when the bill gives the Secretary disease. discretion where the appropriation is to be expended, he objects. Mr. DRISCOLL; Has the Department, so far as the gentle 1\Ir. STAFFORD. In the one case you limited the expend- man knows, ever gone out and examined cattle and bought and iture and in the other there is no limitation whatever. killed them in'()rder to prevent the spread of tuberculosis? Mr. POLLARD. There is a limitation here. Mr. SCOTT. Not to prevent the spread of tuberculosis, to my Mr. STAFFORD. Where is the limitation as to the amount? knowledge. 1\lr. POLLARD. If the gentleman will read the paragraph Mr. DRISCOLL. Or any other disease except the foot-and he will find there is a limit put upon the appropriation. mouth disease which the gentleman has mentioned? The CHAIRMAN. The question is on ·the amendment offered Mr. SCOTT. No; I have mentioned the only instance within by the gentleman from Kansas. my personal knowledge. ~ The question was taken and the amendment was agreed to. Mr. DRISCOLL. What does the Department do in the States Mr. CAULFIELD. Mr. Chairman, I offer the following in the way of fighting tuberculosis? amendment. Mr. SCOTT. The Department has done nothing, but it pro The Clerk read as follows·: poses to go out and take a census in the hope that local senti After the word "tuberculosis," in line 6, page 10, insert the words ment will appeal to the local authorities to take the necessary " of animal and human beings." steps to eradicate the disease. Mr. MANN. . Mr. Chairman, I make a point of order to that. I might say to the gentleman that in combating other diseases Mr. CAULFIELD. I hope the gentleman will reserve it. the Departm~t has been engaged for many years in quarantine Mr. MANN. I will reserve it, although I do not believe that work of similar character. we ought to enter into any argument on tuberculosis of human Mr. DRISCOLL. Suppose they find in the country-in Illi beings. nois, let. us say-some disease prevalent there, do they apply the Mr. ·cAULFIELD. Mr. Chairman, I wish to call the atten quarantme there, or do they move the cattle to the Washington tion of the House to the fact that while in this bill we are ap quarantine? propriating nearly a mil1ion dollars that may be available for 1\lr. SCOTT. Oh, no. the prevention of tuberculosis among animals, it seems impossi Mr. DRISCOLL. What do they do? ble to get any appropriation passed for the purpose of prevent Mr. SCOTT. In a case of that kind the farm on which the ing tuberculosis among human beings. I have here a paragraph diseased cattle are located is quarantined. from a pamphlet written by Doctor Knopf, an eminent specialist Mr. DRISCOLL. Have they ever done that? on tuberculosis. He says: Mr. SCOTT. Many times, and the cattle are not allowed to It is now universally admitted that tuberculosis is the most frequent be shipped from that farm until the quarantine is removed. cause of death. According to some statistics every seventh, according to others every sixth, death is due to tuberculosis in one form or other. Under the act I have just quoted, the act creating the Bureau According to Dr. George F. Keene, of Rhode Island, who is a very close of Animal Indush·y, very great authority was given to the observer, the annual tribute of the United States to this scourge is over Department in these directions. 100,000 of its inhabitants. Each year the world yields up 1,095,000, each day 3,000, each minute 2 of its people as a sacrifice to this plague. Mr. DAVIS of Minnesota. Mr. Chairman, I offer the follow ing amendment which I send to the .desk and ask to have read. Now, I wish to call the attention of this committee to the The Clerk read as follows: fact that there is a bill to create a tuberculosis commission now Amend by inserting on page 10, after the word "necessary," in line pending before the Committee on Interstate and Foreign Com 21, the following : merce which apparentlY has been given no attention, and I cer "P1·ovided also, That the Secretary of Agriculture is authorized to tainly wish to compliment this Committee on Agriculture for expend $5,000 of the amount hereby appropriated to especially investi gate hemorrhagic septicremia, infectious cerebro-spinal meningitis, ma its care for the preservation of the lives of animals to the ex lignant catarrh prevalent among domestic animals in the State of tent of appropriating a million dollars, without desiring to cast :Minnesota and adjoining States, to work out, if possible, in cooperation any aspersion on the Committee on Interstate and Foreign with the Minnesota experiment station, the problem of prevention by developing antitoxin or preventive vaccines, and to secure and diffuse Commerce for its failure to act on that bill, in the face of the information along these lines." fact that every year 100,000 people in this country are dying from tuberculosis. 1\lr. DRISCOLL. Mr. Chairman, I raise the point of order I wish to say that lhis amendment does not lack germane against that. ness so much as one would imagine. I wish to call attention Mr. DAVIS of Minnesota. Does the gentleman make a point to the fact that this same eminent specialist says that "by the of order, or does he reserve it. careless expectorating of consumptives in meadows, fields, or Mr. DRISCOLL. I make it and I reserve it. stables animals may become infected with the disease." In 1\lr. DAVIS of Minnesota. Mr. Chairman, I am very sorry other words, it becomes important to ascertain to what extent that the gentleman sees fit to reserve or make a point of order tuberculosis prevails among human beings in order that ani in a matter of this kind. I will state to the gentleman that mals may not be contaminated and catch the disease from for two years past-during the Fifty-ninth Congress-this item human beings. So hat I insist that the amendment is at least has been in the bill. It was put in there at the earnest solicita germane. [Laughter and applause.] tion of the Secretary of Agricultur~ for the purpose of coop Mr. MANN. 1\Ir. Chairman, while I might be willing, under erating with the Minnesota experiment station in endeavoring some circumstances, to favor an appropriation for au investi to stamp out the diseases mentioned in the amendment. These gation of tuberculosis among human beings, I doubt whether I diseases were becoming quite common among horses and cattle, would want to turn that investigation over to veterinary sur and extended through a great portion of northern Minnesota, geons. [Laughter.] I insist upon the point of order. down into Iowa, a portion of Wisconsin, up through the two The CHAIRMAN. The Chair sustains the point of order. Dakotas, and from there· on west. Minnesota has an experi Mr. DRISCOLL. Mr. Chairman, I have listened for the past ment station that is particularly and peculiarly adapted to hour to the discussion upon this subject, and have not been able investigating matters of this kind, and the Secretary of Agri to glean the information that I wanted. I would like to know culture was solicitous that the officers of this station should whether or not the Department of .Agriculture does go out in take up the investigation of the causes contributing to these its fight against tuberculosis in cattle and buy herds of cattle diseases. Accordingly an agreement of cooperation was entered and kill them in order to destroy tuberculosis? into as soon as the appropriation for the fiscal year 1006 was Mr. SCOTT. There is no intention, of cour~, under the made. present language to authorize such action as that. The only The State furnishing the laboratories, barns, and animals for thing that the Department will do under this is to take a experimentation, and all expense incident thereto, and the Gov census of cattle infected with tuberculosis. ernment furnishing the experts to cooperate with the resident ~052 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. :.M:ARcH 27, scientists. Now, it is true that this amount probably will be sum? I am perfectly willing it should be ended just as soon as expended by Doctor Melvin even if this amendment is defeated, the Secretary of Agriculture says so. but segregating this sum from the lump appropriation can do no Mr. PERKINS. But it seems to me if you are going to make harm. disco¥eries in reference to disease~ to prevent a cattle disease, Mr. DRISCOLL. If the Secretary of Agriculture favored it, you ought to make the discovery and have an end of it and why did it not get into the bill? · know how to treat that disease. · 1\lr. DAVIS of Minnesota. I was going to explain that to the The CHAIRMAN. The time of th~ gentleman has expired. committee. Mr. DAVIS of Minnesota. I would like to have a couple of Mr. DRISCOLL. And the gentleman says that he fa¥ors it? minutes more time. · Mr. DA. VIS of l\Iinnesota. He does fa¥or it. The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection to the request of the Mr. DRISCOLL. Then I withdraw the point of order. gentleman from Minnesota to extend his time for two minutes? 1\Ir. PERKINS. 1\fr. Chairman, we are asked here to adopt [After· a pause.] The Chair hears ·none. the report of the committee, which we are willing to do, and this Mr. SCOTT. In_answer to the inquiry of the gentleman :from is a matter that the committee, as I understand it,. has declined New York I read from the hearings to show Doctor Melvin's to report, and in the absence of some further information I shall reply to the specific question as to how he was getting alone~ reserTe the point of order. with this disea e. He stated: o Mr. DAVIS of 1.\Iinnesota. I wish to state that the chairman Re.sults hav~ J.?een very satisfactory, and we have been able to de of the committee has no objection to this. He so stated to me termlll.e that 1t 1s a communicable disease and transferable from one a few moments ago. horse to another. 1\Ir. PERKINS. Then, why did he not report it? He stated also that the work would be completed in a year or Mr. SCOTT. 1\Ir. Chairman, as the gentleman fl'Om 1\Iinne two. . sota [~Ir. DAVIS] has stated, the language in which he now . l\Ir. PE~KINS. Ha~ he found any means of checking the offers his amendment has been carried in this bill for the past disease which he finds 1s contagi-on.<:~? two years. In preparing the bill this year the committee de Mt·. SCOTT. He says, " we are now studying the methods of sired to eliminate as far as possible special provisions of this treatment, and are endeavoring to determine ln what way it is kind, and the provision under consideration was one of those communicated ordinarily from animal to animal." The wG'Lk which was thus eliminated. The committee did inquire of the has not been completed, but satisfactory progress is reported. Chief of the Bureau, however, whether he expected to continue . Mr.. DAVIS of Minneso~a. They have animals in quarantine this work, and he stated that he did. It is a matter of very m the1r barns now under mvestigation, horses and cattle both. great interest, however, to the gentleman from 1\.Ijn.nesota and Mr. SCOTT. I would suggest to the gentleman from Minne the committee has no objection to the amendment if it c~n be sota after the word " expend," in his amendment, he insert the worded in such a way as to provide that $5,000, or so much words u not to exceed." thereof as may be necessary, shall be expended. 1\Ir. DAVIS of Minnesota. I will accept that amendment. 1\fr. D.A. VIS of Minnesota. I am willing to accept that. The ,OHAIRl\.IAN. The gentleman from Kansas offers an l\Ir. SCOTT. If that alteration can be made, the committee amendment to the amendment, which the Clerk will report~ -will ha\e no objection to the amendment. The Clerk read as follows : 1\Ir. PERKINS. As I understand, an appropriation similar After the word "expend" insert "not to exceed" so· as it will read, to this has been made for two consecutive years? "not to exceed $5,000." • Mr. DAVIS of Minnesota. Identical with this. 1\Ir. DAVIS of Minnesota. That is perfectly satisfactory. JUr. PERKIXS. What resuits have come? Is this to be a The CHAIRMAN. The question is on agreeing to the amend· perpetual appropriation? ment to the amendment. 1\Ir. DAVIS of Minnesota. Probably not, though I would like The question was taken, and the amendment was agreed to. to ha¥e it become such, because of the great importance to this The CHAIRMAN. Now the question is upon the amendment section of the country in stock raising and because of the fact of the gentleman from Minnesota. that the 1\Iinn:esota experiment station is a central point, as The question was taken, and the amendment was agreed to. it were, in the heart of this regio-n, and they have greater Mr. GAINES of Tennessee. 1\Ir. Chairman, I move to strike facilities for doing the work there, as the Secretary of Agri out the last word. I would like to ask the gentleman in charge culture will inform the gentleman, thnn in any other locality. of the bill if he has information as to what extent the Agricul 1\Ir. PERKINS. But why does the gentleman suggest that tural Department has been able to reduce the percentage of this work should be done by the Government instead of being tuberculosis in cows? done by the State of 1\Iinnesota, which is a rich State? Mr. SCOTT. The Department has been making no effort to Mr. DAVIS of Minnesota. Because the results of this work stamp out tuberculosis in cattle. To the present time its en extend into two or three States of the Northwest contiguous deavors have been directed wholly to investigating the extent to 1\linnesota. and prevalence of the disease and the manner in which it is It Mr. PERKINS~ Why, if these investigations are valuable, communicated from one animal to another. has not attempted do they not secure results in order to determine whether it can to stamp out the disease. be exterminated and checked? 1\Ir. GAINES of Tennessee. Has not the Department been in Mr. DAVIS of Minnesota. They have secured results. vestigating some way to try to pre¥ent the extension of it and 1\Ir. PERKINS. The gentleman says he would like to have cure it? They have been working at it a long time. this in•estigation perpetual. Mr. SCOTT. There have been investigations along that line 1\fr. DAVIS of Minnesota. I said I would per onally and conducted at Bethesda, Md., but no results have been published it would no doubt produce great results, but I do not wlsh to as yet. run counter to what the Secr·etary of Agriculture deems proper. 1\Ir. GAINES of Tennessee. I will state for the information Now the Secretary of Agriculture is very insistent upon this of the House that I was talking to one of our leading lawyers work going on. It is only a question as to the form in which last summer at Nashville, who has a fine Jersey farm out in this appropriation be made. the country about 4 miles. He took out one evening with Doctor Melvin says he is very desirous of this work going on, him one of the leading Teterinary surgeons. He went out and and he can do it under the lump-sum appropriation, and prob looked at one of his fi nest and most valuable cows. The vet ably will do it. He no doubt will do it, because, as I am in erinarian said: "That cow is affected with tuberculosis." The statement alarmed my friend very much, because he was formed, there is an agreement to that effect betwe~ the De partment of Agriculture and the proper authorities of the ex using the milk of that· cow for his family, from the least child periment stution of Minnesota. They ha ye animals now in up. He immediately had the cow killed, and, sm·e enough, both barns being investigated under the previous appropriation. the lungs of that splendid-looking animal were seriously and dangerously affected with tuberculosis. Mr. PERKINS. Does the gentleman think that if this ap propriation is allowed this year it will be an end of the matter, 1\Ir. CRUMPACKER. Will the gentleman yield? or that next year there will be another $5,000 wanted, and this 1\Ir. GAINES of Tennessee. With pleasure. would go on for years and years? 1\Ir. CRUMPACKER. I do not lmow Tery much about tuber· culosis especially, but I have understood from scientific people Mr. DAVIS of Minnesota. I will state to the gentleman that that if every living being on earth was destroyed, every being in case this investigation continues to prove beneficial which that had germ diseases within it, the earth would be abso it has thus far, and so acknowledged by the Depar~ent of lutely dep_opulated; that there is no animal on earth in wllich Agr iculture, and results in suppressing and extinguishing one you could no find germs of disease of some kind or other not or more of those diseases, and scientific information is gi\en to excluding man. ' the country of methods used, also should another year find this work unfinished and the Depru·tment anxious to proceed further :MESSAGE FROM THE SENATE. along this line and deem it important to do so, would the The committee informally rose, and 1\fr. OLMSTED having taken gentleman say that it ought to be stopped for lack of this paltry the chair as Speaker pro tempore, a message from tile Senate, 1908. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD- HOUSE. 4053 by :Mr. CROCKETT, its reading clerk, announced that the Senate Mr. DRISCOLL. I would like to lmow how much this 400 bad passed without amendment bills of the following titles_: . acres of land is worth in the market? H. n.17055. An act to validate certain acts of the thirty 1\fr. SCOTT. The gentleman from Vermont can answer that seyenth legislative assembly of the Territory of New 1.\Ier.... ~o; question, and I yield to him. and 1\Ir. HASKINS. 1\Ir. Chairman, this is a farm of 400 acres H. U.13077. An act to authorize the Secretary of War to fur containing 100 acres of heavily wooded land, and within the nish four condemned brass cannon and cannon balls to the Con last year was conveyed by deed, title in fee to the United federate Monument Association, at Franklin, Tenn. States of America without any conditions whatever by Mr. Joseph BatteD, a resident of Vermont. AGRICULTURAL APPROPRIATION DILL. 1.\Ir. DRISCOLL. I wanted to know what it is worth. The committee resumed its session. l\Ir. HASKINS. It is a farm that cut last year 150 tons of The Clerk read as follows: good hay. There is upon the farm, now owned by the United For experiments in animal feeding and breeding, in cooperatie not always approved of the Carnegie libraries, because of paragraph I do not see where the Federal ~o\ernment could be the cost of keeping them up; and I wanted to know if this was considered to own anything except the nght to expend the a white elephant of the same kind being given to the Govern $50,000 it seeks to appropriate. ment, that would cost $54:,000 a year to maintain. I do not Mr. SCOTT. 1\Ir. Chairman, the language to which the gen know whether it is the kind of charity that we ought to accept tleman raises the point of order is new language and was in if it is to cost $54,000 a year to keep it up. serted in this paragraph for this reason: In Vermont, where Mr. HASKINS. This is not an abandoned farm. It is a experiments in animal breeding are being conducted in cooper highly cultivated farm. It has a dwelling house, two stories ation with the State experiment station, a farm of some 400 high, finely finished inside with cypress; a barn 51 feet by 90 acres has been donated to the Government of the United States feet, three stories high, costing some $15,000. They have got for the promotion of these experiments. The farm lies near the to have another barn and it is necessary that it be authorized experiment station. and the experiments are carried on in con in this bill. nection with the officials of that station, but they are conducted Mr. DRISCOLL. You are taking all my time. upon land owned by the United States, and the only ,purpose The CIIAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from New of this language is to authorize the Secretary to erect the York has expired. The Chair will r·ecognize the gentleman cheap buildings that may be necessary from time to time upon from Vermont in his own right. that farm. 1.\Ir. HASKINS. It is necessary, 1.\Ir. Chairman) that this lan Mr. MADDEN. Now, do I understand that some philan guage should be included in the bill in order to justify the erec thropic person donated 400 acres of land to the Federal Gov tion of another barn to accommodate the number of horses that ernment with the proviso that it should continue the experi are being bred on that place. ments provided in this paragraph of the bill, :md that it should Mr. DRISCOLL. Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask the gen expend a certain amount of money in the erection of buildings tleman if this is not the way that this agricultural bill has been and in the maintenance of these buildings, while, as a matter growing from year to year-from a thousand dollars up to of fact, the experiments are under the control and jurisdiction $15,000,000 a year? It strikes me that this particular appro of the State? priation of $54,000, whether subject to the point of order or not, l\Ir. SCOTT. Part of the gentleman's understanding is right ought to be stricken out on the merits. and part of it is wrong. He is right in his understanding that 1.\lr. SCOTT. 1.\lr. Chairman, I do not care to protract the some benevolent gentleman has donated 400 acres of land to discussion on this paragraph, and will ask. the Chair to rule on the United States Government. lie is wrong in assuming that the point of order if the gentleman insists. that donation was made with certain provisos. It was an un l\Ir. MADDEN. I insist upon the point of order. qualified gift without any string of any kind tied to it, and does The CHAIRMAN. The Chair thinks this is a continuation not involve the necessity on the part of the Government of con of a public work, :md overrules the point of order. tinuing the experiments now being carried on there a single day. Mr. 1.\IADDEN. l\fr. Chairman, do I underst..'lnd the Chair Mr. 1.\IADD&~. Will the chairman of the Committee on to o\errule the point of order? Agriculture be kind enough to tell the House why it is that The CHAIRl.\IAN. The Chair overrules the point of order. the language which is sought to be stricken from the bill on the 1\Ir. 1.\l.ADDE~. Does the Chair maintain that this is not new point of order is placed in the paragraph in connection with legislation? this language : 1.\lr. :L\IA1\'N. The Chair has ruled. For experiments in animal feeding and breeding, in cooperation with Mr. l\lADDEl."\1. I mo\e to amend the paragraph by strik the State agricultural experiment stations. ing out. A fair assumption is that this language is intended to conyey The CHAIR.l\1AN. The gentleman from Illinois offers an to the House the information that the State has control over amendment, which the Clerk will report. the experiments which are to be made or are being made, :md The Clerk read as follows: that the Federal Government is onJy to spend a certain amount On page 12, lines 4, 5, and 6, strike out the words " including of money in cooperating with the State. If tllat be true, there the repairs and additions to and erection of buildings absolutely neces is no reason why there should be any language in the bill to sary to carry on the experiments." provide for the construction of buildings or maintenance of Mr. 1.\I.ADDlli~. Ur. Chairman, I do not belie>e that the rul buildings at the expense of the nation. ing of the Chair is good, although I presume we will have to Mr. SCOTT. I wish to say to the gentleman that this lan submit to it. I do not care to take an appeal from the decision guage which is sought to be struck from the bill was inserted of the Chair, but I do believe that the language in this para at the request of the late Senator Proctor of Vermont, until graph is subject to a point of order. I belieYe there is no ques his death chairman of the Committee on Agriculture and For tion whatever about the impropriety of making an appropriation estry; and in submitting it he gave the statement which I calling upon the National Government to expend money for repeated at the beginning of my remarks this morning, that strictly State purposes. I belie\e that the States of the Union thic:; land was immediately adjacent to the farm that had been are qualified to erect such buildings as may be needed for the donated, and which included this experiment station, and it pul'poses indica ted in this paragraph of the bill. This is the was necessary to make certain small buildings. only case which has ever come to the attention of the House '1054 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. . ~{ARCH 27, calling for an expenditure from the Federal Treasury for the methods. Such records have been kept for seventy herds comprising erection or maintenance of buildings controlled, owned, and 1,606 cows. 'l'he results from sixteen herds have been compiled for· illus~rution and show an ~verage increase of 3.75 in the monthly pt·o operated by any State of the Union. If this Committee of the ductwn of each .cow. This is a striking example of the practical re 'Vhole sustains the right of the committee recQmmending this s~::h.to be obtamed by the adoption of bettet• dairy methods in the language, it will haYe established a precedent which will be The work has met with uniform favor. So encouraging have been against the best interests of the Government. the results of the Department's work that similar work is being taken I do not believe that this House is justified in appropriating up by some of the States. It is believed that after this special educa tional work has been well star·ted the Department should withd1·aw money out of the Public Treasury to be expended in any State and the States should continue it. It for any such purpose. is true that when the House does Yote REliARKS OF W. D. BYRD BEFORE THE SOUTH CAROLINA LIVE STOCK to do this it is the action of the people of the United States, but ASSOCIATIO~. I do not think that any State is asking the cooperation of the It affords me great pleasure to have this opportunity of telling the Federal Government in any such enterprise. There may be pri results I have received from the dairy division of the Government when I have been benefited, as I have in this case. I am only too o-Jad ,·ate -interests in some States tllat care to get this money out of to give the ones credit to whom credit is due. "' the Treasury of the United States to carry on their enterprises, Six years ago, when cotton was selling at 7 cents per pound and but I belie•e there is no State in this country that, as such, will our lll!lds were decreasing in fertility, caused from a one-crop system, I r~allzed that to make farming pay I had to make a change; so I ask the Federal Government to pay for the construction of the decide~ on a three-year rotation of crops, along with a small dairy. buildings which it erects and in which it proposes to experiment Havmg no experience in the dairy business, I at once subscribed on the question of the breeding and feeding of cattle. There can for Hoard's Dairyman, devoting as much of my time as I could to reading that and other literature on the subject. I knocked alona in be no doubt that such legislation as this is unwise. I belieYc ;t wa~, until last winter I became very much discouraged. Picking up that if this is allowed to be enacted into law, every State in the The ~tate one day I saw where the Government would assist a man Union will be justified in coming here and demanding like legis in my condition, signed John Michels, Clemson College, South Carolina. I at once wrote to Professor Michels, he forwarding my letter to the lation, and I doubt not that many of the States of the Union prusincss at the same tim.e. Anyone The question was taken, and the amendment was rejected. here wishing to get such assistance as I have bad can do so, and I know if Mr. Dorman bad not come to my rescue I cet·tainly would have sold Mr. LEVER. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike out the last my cows for beef. word, and will ask unanimous consent to extend my remarks in the RECORD, by printing some remarks of W. D. Byrd before the The Clerk read as follows: General expenses, Bureau of Plant Industry: To investigate fruits, South Carolina Live Stock Association. fruit trees, grain, cotton, tobacco, vegetables, grasses, forage, drug, The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman from South Carolina asks medicinal, poisonous, fiber, and other plants and plant industries, in unanimous consent t9 extend his remarks in the RECORD. Is cooperation with other branches of the Department, the State experi ment stations, and practical farmers ; to continue the study and demon there objection? stration of the best methods to combat the cotton boll weevil; to There was no objection. study plant and orchard diseases and demonstrate the treatment of same ; to study plant physiology in relation to crop production ; to STATEMENT FROM THE REPORT OF THE SECRETARY OF AGRICULTURE. originate and improve crops by breeding and selection ; to investigate Considet·able effort has been expended toward improving the dairy and encourage the adoption of improved methods of farm manage conditions of the South under a special appropriation made by Con ment and farm practice ; to investigate the feeding value of farm crops gress for this purpose. Nine men have been engaged in the work in and the use of fertilizers; to investigate the causes of decay in for·est seven States. The work bas enlisted the attention and good will of timber and timber used for construction purposes, and to devise means the farmers. Assistance has been rendered in the remodeling of old for preventing the decay of the same; to investigate the practical ap bat·ns and the building of new ones, the construction of silos, the selec plication in agriculture of the fixation of atmospheric nitrogen by bac tion and breeding of herds, and the keeping of records of feeds and of teria and other micro--organisms in soils and in the root tubercles of the products of the dairy herds. Local market conditions and the leguminous and other plants; to cultivate and distribute these nitrogen sources of the supplies that nre brought into the South from outside fixers; to study and find methods for preventing algal and other con territory have been investigated. taminations of water supplies; to carry on special investigations of Many farmers have been induced to keep records of their herds, so as the conditions of grain production, handling, grading, and transit, and to show the cost of feed and the amount realized from the products of the means of improving the same; to model fruits, vegetables, and both before and while carrying out the suggestions made for improved other plants, and furnish duplicate models to the experiment stations 1908. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 4055 of the several States, as far as found practicable ; to investigate the Mr. Sl\I.A.LL. So the cooperative demonstration work will methods of harvesting, packing, storing, and shipping fruits and vege tables, and for experimental shipments of fruits and vegetables within be amply provided for? the nited States and to fot·eign countries; to cultivate and care for Mr. SCOTT. It will be amply provided for. experimental gardens and grounds, manage and maintain conservatories, 1\Ir. Sl\IALL And out of this appropriation? greenhouses, and plant and fruit propagating houses; to enable the Sec retary of Agriculture to continue the necessary improvements to establish 1\Ir. SCOTT. That is as I understand it. and maintain a general experimental farm and agricultural station Mr. SMALL. Mr. Chairman, I withdraw the pro forma on the Arlington estate, in the State of Virginia, in accordance with tb.e provisions of the act of Congress approved April 18, 1900 ; to in amendment. vestigate and report on the cost of growing and curing tea and the Mr. NORRIS. 1\Ir. Chairman, I renew the motion to strike best method of cultivating and preparing the same for market; to out the last word. I do this for two purposes. First, I would investigate and develop the domestic production of sugar-beet seed and the best methods of increasing the tonnage of sugar beets ; to like to call the attention of the chairman of the Committee on continue inquiry and ascertain the progress made in the production of Agriculture, as well as other members of the committee, to the domestic sugar from beets and sorghum and other sugar-producing fact that it must be apparent, it seems to me, that they have plants; to collect, purchase, propagate, test, and experiment with rare new seeds, bulbs, trees, shrubs, vines, cuttings, and plants; for the grouped in this bill too many items under one lump-sum appro employment of investigators, local and special agents, agricultural ex priation. I have listened with a good deal of interest to the plmel-s, experts, clerks, illustrators, assistants, student or scientific discussion that took place on a prior paragraph, and it seems aids, foremen, gardeners, mechanics, and all other labor and scientific assistance required in conducting investigations and experiments in the to me that _some of the criticisms were just. 1\fy suggestions city of Washington and elsewhere. are, I want to say, made in the best of faith, because I have 1\fr. SMALL. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike out the last almost absolute confidence in the Secretary of Agriculture, who word. I would like to have the attention of the chairman of has charge of these expenditures, and I have equally as great the committee. In the paragraph on page 14, under the title faith in the chairman of the Committee on Agriculture and the of "General expenses of the Bureau of Plant Industry," there different members of the committee. So that I am offering no occurs this language: " to continue the study and demonstra criticism in any fault~finding spirit. But now I will submit to tion of the best method to combat the cotton boll weevil;" the chairman that on each one of these items I p1·esume it is That language includes also what is known as the farmers' intended to expend some money. cooperative demonstration work under the supervision of Dr. :Mr. SCOTT. Yes, sir. s. A. Knapp. Now, there is nothing in the entire paragraph 1\Ir. NORRIS. On page 14, commencing with line 4, there indicating the amount of appropriation which will be avail commences a list of items that runs over to page 18 before there able in the prosecution of that work. I under:stand informally is any appropriation made. .All of these items included between that it was the intention of the committee that as much as these two places in the bill are covered by this one lump-sum $100,000"should be available for that work, but in reality it is a appropriation. I am not finding fault with any of the items. matter for the administration in the Department. I believe they ought to all be there. They are all right and Mr. SCOTT. Will the gentleman from North Carolina speak proper, but it does seem to me that we could more intelligently louder, I do not hear just what he is saying. legislate if there were at least not so many items grouped to Mr. SMALL. There is nothing in the language which indicates gether. I have just counted them roughly and find, if my count how much of the gross appropriation is to be available for the is correct, that there are very nearly 200 items included be farmers' cooperative demonsh·ation work. I say I further un tween those two points in the bill. The chairman of the commit derstand that the chairman of the committee, or ·perhaps the tee said a while ago that you could not well place different entire committee, have informally agreed that as much as amounts after the different items for the reason that there $100,000 should be available. Speaking for myself, I would not might be some unforeseen contingencies arise that would make it be content to allow the paragraph to pass unless I knew from necessary to expend more than had been anticipated for any par the chairman of the committee, speaking for the committee, or ticular item. I would like to call the chairman's attention to this some expression of opinion from the committee, as to how much fact. He has answered me and said it is the intention to expend was a Yailable. some of this money for each one of these items. If some unfore Mr. SCOTT. .As the gentleman from North Carolina very well seen circumstance should happen so that it would make it neces knows, the provision for combating the boll weevil has been sary to expend more than is anticipated for any one or for several carried heretofore as an emergency appropriation. As I stated of these items, would it not logically follow that there must be in my opening remarks, it was the opinion of the committee that some other item or items equally, perhaps, as meritorious for it ought not any longer to be carried as an emergency. appropria which the appropriation must be cut down, if not cut out en tion, for the reason that the boll weevil has been added to the tirely? I submit that to the chairman for his consideration insect pests which we have to fight against all the time. and the consideration of the committee, because I believe that There was appropriated last year $190,000, of which $150,000 we could more intelligently legislate without danger of leaving was used by the Bureau of Plant Industry and the balance by out of this appropriation some items that Congress might have the Bureau of Entomology. In making the appropriation for particular reason for !PUtting in. For instance, on page 15 of the two bureaus it was the understanding of the committee that the bill, down commencing after the semicolon on line 18 : $170,000 should be expended by the Bureau of Plant Industry To investigate and develop the domestic production of sugar-beet and $20,000 by the Bureau of Entomology, that arrangement seed, and the best methods of increasing the tonnage of sugar beets. being made because it has been clearly demonstrated that most of the work will be carried on by the Bureau of Plant Industry This is a very important item. As far as the seed is con for the reason that the work of the Bureau of Entomology, cerned, we have been dependent for several years upon that with reference to the boll weevil, has, in a large measure, been which has been shipped from Germany, at least, to a great ex concluded. Acting upon the advice and understanding of the com tent. If we could improve the methods of producing the seed mittee, I addressed a letter, as chairman of the committee, to it would greatly increase the value of the sugar-beet lands, and Doctor Galloway, who will have charge of the work, stating what at the same time increase the yield and decrease the price that the wishes of the committee were in that respect, and informing would be necessary to pay for it, and therefore decrease the him that the bill was drawn in the expectation that $170,000, or price of sugar. The Secretary of .Agriculture may not particu so much thereof as might be necessary, should be devoted by him larly know just exaGtlY the idea of Congress in putting this item to the continuation of this work. I trust that will be satisfac in, and if it is necessary to cut something out he may cut out tory to the gentleman from North Carolina. that item and use the money that was really intended fur that 1\Ir. SMALL. With an additional explanation. I am not mis item for some other item upon which there may be some unfore taken; I believe, in stating that what is known as the farmers' seen contingency happen, as the gentleman from Kansas [1\Ir. cooperative demonstration work is carried on under that a_p ScoTT] has suggested. All of which, it seems to me, is not good propriation. legislation. This item is only an illustration. The same could 1\Ir. SCOTT. It has been. be said about any other item included between those two places Mr. SMALL. .And will be? in tile bill. Mr. SCOTT. .As long as in the judgment of the Secretary Mr. KEIFER. 1\Ir. Chairman, I want to call the attention of it is advisable to continue it. the gentleman from Nebraska [1\Ir. NoRRIS] to a provision of Mr. SMALL. What proportion will be available for the the statute in the original deficiency act of February 27, 1906, demonstration work? which requires appropriations made for contingent expenses or 1\Ir. SCOTT. I have a letter from Doctor GaUoway in reply other general purposes to be allotted before the beginning of to mine, accepting the suggestion of the committee as equiva each fiscal year to the different purposes for which they are ap lent to a direction on the part of. Congress, but he did not indi propriated, and I want to ask him whether or not that would cate how much of that money would be expended in the differ not obviate all his objections, leaving to the Secretary or head ent branches of .the wo1·k.. I feel sure ·the gentleman from of the bureau having charge of this the power, to be executed by North Carolina and all others· interested in this work may h-ust him, in making these allotments before the beginning of the to his discretion in the matter. fiscal year: 4056 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. MARCH 27, Mr. NORRIS. I understand the gentleman's question, Mr. Mr. SCOTT. I intended to say before closing that I think Chairman, and in reply will say that if his idea is correct, then there is a great deal of force ·in the suggestion made by the it absolutely does away with the excuse given by the chairman gentleman from Nebraska, that where a bureau increases and of the committee for not itemizing it in the bill, because he said expands as the Bureau of Plant Industry has, to cover such an it \Yas desirable to let the Secretary of Agriculture have a dis enormous number of projects, it would be wise, so far aG pos cretionary power to use more than might be deemed at the sible, to groun those projects and make your lump-sum appro beginning advisable for any particular item. If the law were priation cover just as many different groups as can be wisely enforced as the gentleman from Ohio suggests, then that dis done. cretion would be taken away from the Secretary. Mr. NORRIS. I think so. Mr. KEIFER. nut the law is enforced, if the gentleman will Mr. SCOTT. I appreciate the suggestion of the gentleman. allow me to say, subject to an emergency that would arise that Mr. NORRIS. Will the gentleman answer this question: would require an alteration of the allotments, and the law-is in What assurance could the gentleman give to the House that this tended to have the allotments made to carry out the purposes item of investigation and development of sugar-beet seed-what of the appropriation. assurance could the gentleman give the House that any in Mr. NORRIS. Suppose, then, for instance, that the Secre vestigation will be made or that the money that was intended tary of Agriculture, on account of some unforeseen circum to be used for that investigation will not be diverted to some stances, would deem it necessary to greatly increase what he in other item in the bill on account of some unforeseen emergency? tended to use for the boll-weevil proposition. In order to do Mr. SCOTT. The only assurance I can give is my faith in that some other item included in this bill would have to be the discretion and judg~ent of the Secretary of Agriculture. cut out, or the amount used for it in this bill would have to be Mr. NORRIS. I have the greatest faith also in him, but if lessened. This method of legislation leaves too great a dis there is an emergency somewhere, and he uses more than was cretionary power with the Department. It does more. It intended for that purpose, he must necessarily take it away makes it absolutely impossible for the Secretary to determine from some item. Some item must suffer. how Congress intended to have the money distributed between Mr. PAYNE. May I ask the gentleman from Kansas a ques the two hundred items included in the lump sum appropriated. tion? It also establishes a bad precedent, and some time it may be Mr. SCOTT. With great pleasure. taken advantage of to the detriment and injury of the country. Mr. PAYNE. Is not the present Secretary of Agriculture The CHAIRl\IAN. The time of the gentleman from Nebraska more apt to divert a larger sum to the development of the has expired. seed of the sugar beet than he is to anything else in this whole Mr. SCOTT. Mr. Chairman, I answered hastily, replying to paragraph? the gentleman, when I said that it was the expectation that Mr. NORRIS. Admitting that to be true, it still bears out the Department should do something under every one of the my contention. lines included in this paragraph for general expenses. I should Mr. PAYNE. From your knowledge of his interest in that have said that it is the intent of that language to give the subject? Department authority to do work along any of these lines. As l\Ir. SCOTT. I think the gentleman need have no apprehen a matter of fact, the Department does work along nearly all sion whatever that sugar beets will be neglected by the present of these lines nearly every year. The Bureau of Plant Industry administration. now bas something like 700 projects for which estimates are The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman has expired. submitted in a general way to the committee. It would be, in Mr. HUMPHREYS of Mississippi. 1\Ir. Chairman, I ask that the judgment of the committee, impracticable and . unwise for it may be extended five minutes. this Congress to make specific appropriations for each of these The CHAIRMAN. Is there objection? projects. It is not only the judgment of your present commit There was no objection. tee, :Mr. Chairman, but it has been the judgment of e-very Com Mr. HUMPHREYS of Mississippi. I wanted to ask the mittee on Agriculture that has had a place in this House since it gentleman further in regard to this item for the extermination became the dutY of the Committee on Agriculture to prepare the of the boll weevil. In the estimates that have been submitted appropriation bill for the support of this Department. by the Secretary of Agriculture is any statement made of the Mr. BONYNGE. Will the gentleman permit a question? amount that will be used in this demonstration work at all? Does the Secretary, in making estimates, make estimates as to The reason I ask is this : This work is being done not only by the cost of each project, or does he make estimates not by proj the Government but by the general education board, as the ects, but in one item? chairman understands. That board takes care of the States Mr. SCOTT. The Secretary makes an estimate for each that have not yet been reached by the boll weevil, but that will project. in all huma~ probability be affected hereafter, and as soon as Mr. llOl\'YNGE. Then why should not the committee, in the boll weevil arrives in a State then the work of the general making appropriations, make appropriations based upon his education board ceases and it is turned over to the Government. estimate for each project instead of lumping a large number of Now, during the last year the States of Oklahoma and Mis estimates togethe& and making a general appropriation? sissippi have been added to the territory that is exclusively now Mr. SCOTT. Because if the committee did that and some to be provided for by appropriations from the Department of conditions should arise which would make it wise in the judg Agriculture, and necessarily the expense will be considerably ment of the Secretary to put more work on one project than larger than it was last year. Last year, as I understand it, it he had intended to do he would not be able to get money enough was $80,000. Now, the understanding, as I am informed, is to do it. that there will be $100,000 of that money set apart for this 1\Ir. BONYNGE. But if the gentleman stops to think for a demonstration work. moment the logical conclusion of his argument would be to Mr. SCOTT. If the gentleman will pardon me for interrupt give him authority to carry on these various investigations and ing him; I covered this question a few moments ago quite in ·at the conclusion of the bill put in one general appropriation extenso in reply to a query from the gentleman from North covering everything in the bill. Carolina [Mr. SMALL], and I hardly like to go all over it again. Mr. SCOTT. Ob, that is not the logic of my position, with Very briefly let me say to the gentleman that there will be at all deference to the gentleman. the disposal of the Bureau of Plant Industry this year $170,000 · Mr. BONYNGE. It would seem to apply as much to all for the continuation of this boll-weevil work. The judgment of items in the bill as to four or five pages of the bill. the Secretary and the Chief of the Bureau is so strongly to the Mr. SCOTT. It seems to me there is a very clear distinction effect that the best results are gotten through the farm demon between making a lump-sum appropriation to carry on yarious stration and cooperative work, I ha-ve no doubt a very large pro projects in a certain bureau which are _necessarily of a similar portion of that sum will be expended in that way. character and putting into a lump sum the work of a dozen Mr. HUMPHREYS of Mississippi. I understand that. I bureaus and divisions carrying on very different kinds of work. heard the gentleman's answer to the question of the gentleman Mr. NORRIS. Will the gentleman yield for a question? from North Carolina, but I was in hopes that there was some Mr. SCOTT. Yes. thing in the estimate of the Secretary that would indicate that l\Ir. NORRIS. If that be the object of the gentleman, then at least $100,000 would be had for this d'emonsh·ation work, and on page 18 why do you put in the appropriation for the items I was very anxious that it should go in the RECORD. there? Why not go on, for that is in the same bureau as that 1\!r. SCOTT. There is more than that. There is a letter on beginning with line 7? file with the Committee on Agricultu:re from the Chief of this 1\fr. SCOTT. Because the committee recognizes the advisa Bureau, stating that be will expend $170,000 this year on that bility of making the appropriations just as nearly specific as work. can be wisely done. l\Ir. HUMPHREYS of Mississippi. Not on the general demon Mr: NORRIS. I agree with the gentleman entirely. 1 stration work. 1908. ' CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. :t057 · Ml!'. SCOTT. I think the gentleman ought to be willing to The CHAIR.l\IA.N. The pro forma ame:gdment is withdl'awn. leave that to the Chief of the Bureau and the Secretary. That l\Ir. SCOTT. I move the committee do now rise. is the way it has been carried before. There has never been The motion was agreed to. any specific appropriation for any particuiar line of work, and The committee accordingly rose; and the Speaker having re I do not think the gentleman is justified in his present appre sumed the chair, l\fr. FosTER of Vermont, ChaiJ:man of the Com hension in regard to the matter. mittee of the Whole House on the state of the Union, reported Mr. HUMPHREYS of Mississippi. I wanted to make it as that that committee had had under consideration the bill H. R. certain as I could that this appropriation would be expended in 19158, the agricultural appropriation bill, and had come to no that way. resolution thereon. Mr. C.Al\TDI..ER. Last year in the appropriation bill the LEAVE OF .A.BSE~CE. amount that was intended to be expended for this purpose, ac ;By unanimous consent, leave of absence was granted to l\Ir. cording to my recollection, was $90,000. The chairman is sure HrNSHA w for two weeks, on account of very serious illness of there will be that much or more expended this year? his father. · Mr. SCOT'l\ Oh, yes; quite sure. The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, the pro forma amend ENROLLED BILLS SIGNED. ment will be withdrawn. Mr. WILSON of Illinois, from the Committee on Enrolled There was no objection. Bills, reported that they had examined and found truly enrolled Mr. JONES of Washington. Mr. Chairman, I desire to renew bills of the following titles, when the Speaker signed the same: the motion in order to ask the chairman of the committee a H. R. 9079. An act to extend to Port Arthur, in the State of question. On page 14 there is an appropriation for the investi Texas, the pri"Vilege of immediate transportation without ap gation of farm management and farm practice. Can the gen praisement of dutiable merchandise; tleman gi>e me any idea how much the Department expects to H. R. 6902. An act for the relief ot Henry Rustan; expend in respect to that work? H. R. 16471. An act for the relief of George H. Penrose; 1\fr. SCO'l'T. I have the figures here, but it would take some H. R. 14772. An act prescribing what shall constitute a legal time to find them. I can give the gentleman an estimate. In cord of wood in the District of Columbia; a general way, I may say more money will be expended in the H. R. 13875. An act for the relief of John V. Johnson; work than has heretofore been expended. H. R. 17511. An act to authorize the construction of a bridge Mr. JONES of Washington. Then on page 15 I find, "for ex across Bayou Bartholomew at Parkdale, Ashley County, A.rk.; perimental shipments of fruits and vegetables within the United H. R. 10671. An act to authorize the Secretary of the In States and to foreign countries." I would like to know what is terior to issue patent in fee simple for certain lands of the the scope of the work of the Department in that regard. Santee Reservation, in Nebraska, to school district No. 36, in Mr. SCOTT. Under that provision the Department, to give Knox County, Nebr.; a concrete illustration, has been shipping oranges and lemons H. R. 17510. An act to authorize the county of Ashley, in from California to the Eastern markets, for the purpose of ob the State of Arkansas, to construct a bridge across Bayou serving the reasons why the fruit deteriorates in transit. It Bartholomew, Ashley County, A.rk., at Portland; and has reached some very interesting results, so interesting and H. R. 17512. An act to authorize the county of Ashley, in the valuable, indeed, that the fruit growers of California believe State of Arkansas, to construct a bridge across Bayou Bartholo that the annual value of the fruits saved by the application of mew, Ashley County, A.rk., at Wilmot. the methods advised by the Department will ·reach the very AMENDMENT OF STATEHOOD ACT. handsome sum of $25,000,000. The Department has demon Mr. WEBB. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent for the strated, for e~ample, that if the fruit can be put in cold storage present consideration of the following bill. before it starts and cooled to the temperature of the refrigerator The Clerk read as follows: cars, it reaches the market in a very much better condition. A bill (H. R. 17050) to amend section 18 of an act entitled "An Mr. JONES of Washington. I am very glad the gentleman act to enable the people of Oklahoma and of the Indian Territory has made that statement, and I wish to say that it has been as to form a constitution and State government and be admitted into the Union on an equal footing with the original States, and to enable certained that we can ship our peaches for seventeen days, or a the people or New Mexico and or Arizona to form a constitution and longer period, and they get to New York or LiYerpool in excel State government and be admitted into the Union on an equal foot lent condition. ing with the original States," approved June 16, 1906, and for other purposes. Mr. SCOTT. It is a very interesting and valuable work the Department has done under this section. Mr. PAYNE. I call for the regular order. Mr. GA.INES of Tennessee. I move to strike out the last ADJOURNMENT. word, for the purpose of asking the gentleman from Kansas a Mr. SCOTT. I move that the House do now adjourn. question. I see that you include in this bill "investigation of The motion was agreed to. fruit, fruit trees, grain, cotton, tobacco, vegetables," and so And accordingly (at 4 o'clock and 59 minutes p. m.) the forth. Is there a specific appropriation for the investigation of House adjourned. insects, and so forth, that destroy tobacco? Mr. SCOTT. There is no specific appropriation for that pur pose. It is just like the former appropriation. EXECUTIVE COl\IUUNICA.TIONS, ETC. Mr. G.A.Ii\TES of Tennessee. Is the appropriation for this par Under clause 2 of Rule XXIV, the following executive com ticular branch of the Department's work increased? munications were taken from the Speaker's table and referred .Mr. SCOTT. The general expenses are increased in this bill as follows: over last year $311,486. '.rhat, however, is only an apparent A. letter from the Acting Secretary of the Treasury, truns increase, because there should be deducted from it $170,000, mitting a copy of a letter from the secretary of the Interstate which was carried in another item last year, and which is Commerce Commission submitting an estimate of reappropria covered over into this item this year. tion for block signal investigations-to the Committee on .Ap Mr. GA.INES of Tennessee. Then there is no increase this propriations and ordered to be printed. year? A letter from the Acting Secretary of the Treasury, transmit hlr. SCOTT. There is an increase of about $80,000 in this ting a copy of a letter from the Secretary of Commerce and particular paragraph in the bill. Labor submitting an amended estimate of appropriation for the Mr. GAINES of Tennessee. Is there any provision in this Coast and Geodetic Survey-to the Committee on Appropria bill giving the Secretary of Agriculture, you may say, a lump tions and ordered to be printed. sum to carry on the different branches of his work if the ap A. letter from the Acting Secretary of the Treasury, trans propriations fall short? mitting a copy of a letter from the Secretary of Commerce and Mr. SCOTT. The Secretary has taken care that the appro Labor submitting an estimate of appropriation for repairs to priations shall not fall short. steamer Albatross-to the Committee on Appropriations and Mr. GAINES of Tennessee. But suppose they do fall short. ordered to be printed. Suppose you appropriate $500,000 to do the entire work of a A. letter from the Secretary of War, transmitting a report Department and it falls short of the work by $100,000. lJave on Camp John Hay, Benguet, P. I., giving data as to treatment you given him any money to cover that or will that come up in of certain tropical diseases-to the Committee oil Military the shape of a deficiency? Affairs and ordered to be printed. Mr. SCOTT. The committee has drawn the bill very care A letter from the Secretary of the Treasury, transmitting fully this ye.c1.r, and has left no large margin for unforeseen an estimate of appropriation for filing appliances in the Post contingencies. Office Department and revising the estimate for printing and Mr. GAINES of Tennessee. I withdraw the pro forma amend binding for the Treasury Department-to the Committee on ment. . Appropriations and ordered to be printed. 4058 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. J\fAROH 27~ llEPORTS OF CO~llUTTEES ON PUBLIC BILLS AND West Milwaukee, Milwaukee County, Wis., abutting the grounds RESOLUTIONS. of the Northwestern Branch National Home for Disa..bled Vol Under clause 2 of Rule XIII, bills and resolutions were sever unteer Soldiers-to the Committee on Appropriations. aUy reported from committees, delivered to the Clerk, and re By Mr. FOULKROD: A bill (H. R. 19963) authorizing the ferred to the several Calendars therein named, as follows : President to place on the retired list certain enlisted men, with Mr. A.DA.l\ISON, from the Committee on Interstate and For pay and allilwances as such-to the Committee on Military Af- ei;:m Commerce, to which was referred the bill of the House fairs. · (H. R. 19470) permitting the building of a dam across the Sa By l\:Ir. ELLIS of Oregon: A bill (H. R. 19!)64) to authorize \annnh River at Calhoun Falls, reported the sn.me without the Iron Dyke Copper Company, a corporation of the State of amendment, accompanied by a report (No. 1330), · which said Pennsylvania., to construct a bridge across the Snake River, bill and report were referred to the House Calendar. between Oregon and Idaho, at or near Homestead, Oreg.-to He also, from the same committee, to which was referred the the Committee on Inter.state and Foreign Commerce. bill of the House (H. R. 19471) authoriziri.g the building of a By Mr. HAY: A' bill (H. R. 19965) for the proper observance dam across the Savannah River at Trotters Shoals, reported the o:t: Sunday as a day of rest-to the Committee on the District of same without amendment, accompanied by a report (No. 1331), Columbia. which said bill and report were referred to the House Calendar. By Mr. SULZER (by request) : A bill (H. R. 19966) relative He also, from the same committee, to which was referred the to the perforation of postage stamps as a safeguard against bill of the House (H. R. 19472) permitting the building of a robbery-to the Committee on the Post-Office and Post-Roads. dam across the Tugaloo River at Hattons Ford, reported the By Mr. COOPER of Texas: A bill (H. R. 19967) providing same without amendment, accompanied by a report (No. 1332), for the construction of a canal from the canal in front of the which said bill and report were referred to the House Calendar. city of Port Arthur, Tex., to the deep waters of Sabine Lake Mr. ESCII, from the Committee on Interstate and Foreign to the C\,mmittee on Rivers and Harbors. Commerce, to which was referred the bill of the Senate ( S. 5133) By Mr. HEPBURN: A bill (H. ll. 19968) to further amencl to amend an act entitled ".An act to authorize the Winnipeg, ".An act granting additional quarantine powers and imposing ad -Yankton and Gulf Railroad Company to construct a combined ditional duties upon the Marine-Hospital Service," approved railroad, wagon, and foot-passenger bridge across the .Missouri February 15, 1893-to the Committee on Interstate and Foreign River at or near the city of Yankton, S. Dak.," reported the Commerce. same without amendment, accompanied by a report (No. 1333), By Mr. HELM: A bill (H. R. 19fi6!)) to authorize the exten whkh said bill and report were referred to the House .Calendar. sion and enlargement of the provosed public buildina in the city of Danville, Ky.-to the Committee on Public Buildings and Grounds. CHANGE OF REFERENCE. By l\Ir. FERRIS: Joint resolution (H. J. Res. 158) providing Under clause 2 of Rule XXII, committees were discharged for the erection of a monument to the memory of Robert E. from the consideration of bills of the following titles, which Lee in the National Capital at Washington, D. C.-to the Com were thereupon referred as follows: mittee on the Library. A bill (H. R. 1214) to give pensionable status to Benjamin C. By l\Ir. MONDELL: Joint resolution (H. J. Res. 159) to pre Welch-Committee on Invalid Pensions discharged, and re vent settlement upon and speculation in certain lands affected ferred to the Committee on Military Affairs. by contemplated snits on behalf of the United States-to the .A. bill (H. R. 5488) granting an increase of pension to Mar Committee on the Public Lands. garet T. Everly--committee on Invalid Pensions discharged, By Mr. BROUSSARD: Resolution (H. Res. 315) to appoint and referred to the Committee on Pensions. a committee to investigate the condition of sugar, rice, tobacco A bill (H. R. 19945) granting a pension to Thomas F. Pren industries, etc., in the Philippine Islands, and for other pur dergast-Committee on Invalid Pensions discharged, and re poses-to the Committee on Rules. I ferred to the Committee on Pensions. By Mr. WILSON of Illinois: Resolution (H. Res. 316) for the appointment of an additional clerk to the Committee on Enrolled Bills-to the Committee on Accounts. PUBLIC BILLS, RESOLUTIONS, AND MEMORIALS. Under clause 3 of Rule XXII, bills, resolutions, and memo- PRIVATE BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS. ' rials of the following titles were introduced and severally re- Under clause 1 of Ru1e XXII, private bills and resolutions ferred as follows: of the following titles were introduced and severally referred By l\Ir. TAWNEY, from the Committee on Appropriations: A as follows: bill (H. R. 19955) making appropriations to supply certain addi- By l\Ir. ANSBERRY: A bill (H. R. 19970) granting an in tional urgent deficiencies in the appropriations for the fiscal crease of pension to Isaac Thuston-to the Committee on year ending June 30, 1908-to the Union Calendar. Invalid Pensions. By l\Ir. DALZELL: A bill (H. R. 1fl956) to prevent the manu- By l\Ir. ASHBROOK: A bill (H. R. 19fi71). granting :m in- facture, sale, or transportation of improperly labeled or mis- crease of pension to David J. Jones-to the Committee on branded paint, turpentine, and linseed oil-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Interstate and Foreign Commerce. By 1\fr. BOOHER: A bill (H. n. 19972) granting a pension By l\Ir. Sl\IITH of Michigan: A bill (H. R. 19957) to change to Thomas A. Dobbins-to the Committee on Pensions. the name and jurisdiction of the inferior court of justice of the By l\Ir. BOYD: A bill (H. R. 19973) granting an increase of peace in the District of Columbia-to the Committee on the pension to David McDuffie-to the Committee on In\alid Pen- District of Columbia. sions. By Mr. NELSON: A bill (H. R. 19958) for the erection of a By Mr. BROUSSARD: A bill (H. R. 10974 ) for the relief of public building at Watertown, Wis.-to the Committee on Public John M. Kelly-to the Committee on Claims. Buildings and Grounds. · By Mr. CARY: A bill (H. n. 19975) grunting an increase of By l\Ir. FERRIS: A bill (H. R. 19959) authorizing the pension to John Phelan-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. women's executive committee of the Board of Domestic Missions Also, a bill (H. R. 19976) granting an increase of pension to of the Reformed Church in America to purchase certain lands Henry Lee-to the Committee on rn,~alid Pensions. set ~part to it for missionary purposes among the Kiowa, Co- Also, a bill (H. R. 19977) granting a pension to Robert King- manche, and Apache Indians in Oklahoma-to the Committee to the Committee on Invalid Pensions: on Indian .Affairs. By Mr. CLARK of Florida; A bill (H. R. 19978) for the relief By Mr. EDWA.RDS of Georgia: A bill (H. R. 19960) to ·ap- of David Johns-to the Committee on Military Affairs. proprhte $55,000 to extend the sea wall at Fort Screven, on By 1\:lr. COOPER of Texas: A bill (H. R. 19fl79) authorizing Tybee Island, Georgia-to the Committee on Appropriations. C. G. Boles to bring suit in the Court of Claims to recover for By Mr. McMORRAN: A bill (H. R. 19961) to prohibit the property seized by the Federal soldiers subsequent to the close maintaining of a bucket shop, trffice, store, or other place of the civil war~to the Committee on War Claims. wherein is conducted or permitted the pretended buying or sell- By Mr. DE ARMOND: A bill (H. R. lflf>SO) granting ::m in ing of the shares of stock or bonds of any corporation, or petro- crease of pension to William L. Ward-to the Committee on In leum, cotton, grain, provisions, or other produce, either on mar- valid Pensions. gins e~ otherwise, without any intention of receiving or paying By Mr. DRISCOLL: A bill (II. R. 19!)81) granting an in for the property so bought, or of delivering the property so sold, crease of pension to John M. Scoville-to the Committee on In and defining a bucket shop, in the District of Columbia-to the valid Pensions. Committee on the District of Columbia. By Mr. ELLIS of Oregon: A bill (H. R.19!)82) granting aa in- By Mr. CARY: A bill (H. R. 19962) appropriating $5,000 for crease of pension to Thomas E. Kellogg-to the Committee on the improvement of that portion of National avenue, village .of. Invalid Pensions. ' I F , f 'W 1908. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 4059 By l\Ir. FERRIS: A bill (H. R. 10983) granting an increase By 1\Ir. ANSBERRY : Petition of Wholesale Lumber Dealers' of pension to Mansfield Burris-to the Committee on Pensions. Association, for forest reservations in White Mountains and By ~1r. FOUDNEY: A bill (H. R. 19984) granting an in Southern Appalachian Mountains-to the Committee on Agri crease of pension to Philip Honsinger-to the Committee on culture. In>alid Pensions. By Mr. ANTHONY: Petition of Sunshine Grange, No. 1443, Also, a bill (H. R. 19085) granting an increase of pension to of Tonganoxie, Kans., for a national highways commission-to Edward D. Shader-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. the Committee on Agriculture. By .Mr. HARDWICK: A bill (H. R. 19986) for the relief By Mr. BURKE: Petition of J. C. Grogan Company and of the estate of Willis Ramsey-to the Committee on War others, retail jewelers, of Pittsburg, against the Vreeland bill Claims. (H. R. 18446), a measure to regulate making of watch cases By Mr. HELM: A bill (H. R. 19987) granting an increase to the Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce. of pension to Allen Demarer-to the Committee on Invalid Also, petitions of Robinson Brothers, bankers; Franklin Sa v Pensions. ings and Trust Company of Pittsburg, and the Mellon National By Mr. HOBSON: A bill (H. R. 19988) to authorize the ap Bank, of Pittsburg, for H. R. 6091, to amend the national bank pointment of A. C. Hidalgo a midshipman at the United States ing laws-to the Committee on Banking and Currency. ~a>al Academy-to the Committee on Naval Affairs. By Mr. BURLEIGH: Petition of citizens of North Anson, By Mr. HUFF: A bill (H. R. 19989) granting an honorable Me., in favor of a parcels post-to the Committee on the Post discharge to Milton Vandevort--to the Committee on Military Office and Post-Roads. Affairs. Also, petition of citizens of North Anson, Me., for a national By Ur. HULL of Tennessee: A bill (H. R. 19990) for there highways commission-to the Committee on Agriculture. lief of J. W. Tate-to the Committee on War Claims. By Mr. CALDER: Petition of C. B. J. Snyder, of New York, Also, a bill (H. R. 19001) for the relief of the legal repre for development of Washington on lines of the L'Enfant plan sentath·es of Z. Tate & Son-to the Committee on War Claims. to the Committee on the Library. Also, a bill (H. R. 19992) for the relief of the legal repre By Mr. COOK of Pennsylvania: Petition of North American sentatives of John W. Franklin-to the Committee on War Fish and Game Protective Association, for a treaty with Can Claims. ada for control and propagation of the fisheries interests in the Also, a bill (H. R. 19993) for the relief of the legal repre Great Lakes-to the Committee on Foreign Affairs. sentatives of William A. Prewitt-to the Committee on War Also, petition of Junior Order of United American Mechanics, Claims. of Philadelphia, Pa., favoring restriction of immigration-to Also, a bill (H. R. 19994) granting a pension toW. H. Bush the Committee on Immigration and Naturalizaton. to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. By Mr. CRUMPACKER: Petition of Harold H. Wheeler Also, a bill (H. R. 19995) granting an increase of pension to and others, of Crown Point,. Ind., for a national registration Leonard W. Massey-to the Committee on Pensions. law for automobiles-to the Committee on Interstate and For By Mr. ADDISON D. JAMES: A bill (H. R.19996) granting eign Commerce. an incerase of pension to Richard P. Bristow-to the Committee By Mr. DARRAGH: Petition of Edward H. Green and 24 on Invalid Pensions. other members of Baxter Post, No. 119, Grand Army of the By Mr. KENNEDY of Ohio: A bill (H. R. 19!)97) granting a Republic, of Charlevoix, Mich.-to the Committee on In>alid pension to Elizabeth Sanderson-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Pensions. Also, memorial of William H. Howe and 13 other residents By Mr. LEWIS: A bill (H. R. 19998) granting a pension to of Le Roy, Osceola County, Mich., favoring a national high Harriet H. Hardwick-to the Committee on Pensions. ways commission-to the Committee on Agriculture. By Mr. LIVINGSTON: A bill (H. R. l9999) granting a pen Also, petitions of D. B. Oviatt and 77 other residents of An sion to Rachel E. Bean-to the Committee on Pensions. trim County; John J. Brezina and 29 other residents of Also, a bill (H. R. 20000) granting a pension to John J. San Traverse City, Grand Traverse· County, and Petrolyna Kroupa ders-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. and 21 other residents of Tra>erse Oity, all in the State of By Mr. LOVERING: A bill (H. R. 20001) granting an in Michigan, against religious legislation in the District of Colum crease of pension to John A. Goodw~-to the Committee on bia-to the Committee on the District of Columbia. Invalid Pensions. By Mr. DAWSO~: Petition of 12 citizens of Stockton, Iowa, By Mr. NICHOLLS: A bill (H. R. 20002) granting an in for a national highways commission-to the Committee on Agri crease of pension to Patrick Gillooly-to the Committee on culture. Invalid Pensions. By Mr. DRISCOLL: Petition of George W. Childs, of South By Mr. PARKER of South Dakota: A bill (H. R. 20003) for Onondaga, against religious legislation in the District of Colum the relief of Christopher Mabbott-to the Committee on Mili bia-to the Committee on the District of Columbia. tary Affairs. By Mr. DUNWELL: Petition of National Association of By. Mr. SPARKMAN: A bill (H. R. 20004) granting a pen Manufacturers, for forest reservations in White Mountains and sion to Robert E. Rawls, alias Robert E. Russen-to the Com Southern Appalachian Mountains-to the Committee on Agri mittee on Invalid Pensions. culture. By Mr. SPIGHT: A bill (H. R. 20005) for the relief of the Also, petition of William Wells Bosworth, of New York, for heirs of W. 1\!. Stevenson, deceased-to the Committee on War carrying out of original plan of L'Enfant relative to beautifying Claims. the city of Washington-to the Committee on the Library. Also, a bill (H. R. 20006) for the relief of the heirs or estate By Mr. DUREY: Petition of Mapleton Grange, of Canajo of Mrs. Eunice Hurdle, deceased-to the Committee on War harie, N. Y., for Federal aid in building highways-to the Com Claims. mittee on Agriculture. By Mr. TALBOTT: A bill (H. R. 20007) granting an in Also, petition of residents of the Twenty-fifth Congressional crease of pension to James M. Reynolds-to the Committee on Distl:ict of New York, favoring prohibition legislation-to the Invalid Pensions. Committee on the Judiciary. By Mr. THOMAS of North Carolina: A bill (H. R. 20008) By Mf. ENGLEBRIGHT: Petitions of Los Angeles-Nevada for the relief of the heirs of William Civiels, deceased-to the Mining Stock Exchange; Trans-Mississippi Congress, Bureau Committee on War Claims. of Mines; Henry Mace Payne, West Virginia University; Mon tana Mining Association ; American Mining Congress; Erasmus PETITIONS, ETC. Haworth, . University of Kansas; Colorado Mine Operators' Under clause 1 of Rule XXII, the fo1lowing petitions and Association; West Virginia coal operators; San Diego Cham papers were laid on the Clerk's desk and referred as follows: ber of Commerce ; Los Angeles Chamber of Commerce ; Los By Mr. ACHESON: Petition of Trades and Labor Assembly, Angeles Stock Exchange; Los Angeles Chamber of Mines, and of New Castle, Pa., relative to H. R. 10556, providing for a tax Goldfield Chamber of Commerce, for a Department of Mines of 1 cent per ton upon all coal produced in United States and and Mining-to the Committee on Mines and Mining. Territories-to the Committee on Mines and Mining. By Mr. FOSTER of Vermont: Petition of Mountainville By Mr. ALEXAl\'DER of Missouri: Petition of R. P. Duncan Grange, Patrons of Husbandry, of Orange County, for creation and others, of Stanberry, Mo., against the Penrose bill-to the of national highways commission~to the Committee on Agri Committee on the Post-Office and Post-Roads. culture. Also, papers to accompany bills for relief of Catherine J. By Mr. FOSTER of Illinois: Petitions of Clara Shaw and 31 Thomas and Elcania McClure-to the Committee on Invalid other citizens of Rutland, Ill., and C. A. Schnell and 36 other Pensions. citizens of Noble, Ill., against S. 1.51 n (Sunday banking in post Also, petition of voters of Clinton County, Mo., for a parcels offices)-to the Committee on the Post-Office and Post-Roads. post law-to the Committee on the Post-Office and Post-Roads. By Mr. FOULKROD: Petition of Junior Order United Amer- "4060 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. ~iA;RCH 28, ican 1\Iecba.nics, fa >oring restriction of immigration-to the Also, petition of Loca.l Union No. 270 of Norristown, Pa., of Committee on Immigration and Nat-uralization. the Amalgamated Sheet Metal Workers' International Alliance. By lr. GOULDEN: Petition of C. B. J. Snyder, of New York against prohibition in the District of Columbia-to the Com City, for beautification of Washington on line of L'Enfant's mittee on the District of Columbia. plan-to the Committee on the Library. By Mr. WILLIAMS : Paper to accompany bill for relief of By Mr. GRA.II.AM: l)etition of A. M. Schoyer, against H. R. Frank Roberts and the heirs of Ida Roberts McNeil, of Yazoo 1707 , for securing information by private agencies-to the County, hliss.-to the Committee on War Claims. Committee on Labor. Also, petition of Robinson Brothers, bankers, for H. R. 6091- to the Committee on Banking and Currency. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. Also, petitions of Dorsey F. Seville and John C. Goldthrop, for H. R. 15372-to the Committee on Claims. SATURDAY, March ~8, 1908. By Mr. GRAl~GER: Petition of 1\Irs. J. S. 1\filler and other The House met at 12 o'clock noon. residents of Providence, R. I., :and Robert B. Thoney and other Prayer by the Chaplain, Rev. HENRY N. CounEN, D. D. citizens of North Kingston, R. I., against H. R. 4897 and 4929 The Journal of the proceedings o~ yesterday was read and (religious legislation in the District of Columbia.)-to the Com approved. mittee on the District of Columbia. AGRICULTURAL APPROPRIATION DILL. By Mr. HASKINS : Petition of Fall Mountain Grange, No. 297, of Bellows Falls, Vt., for H. R. 15837 (creation of a na Mr. SCOTT. Mr. Speaker, I move that the Rouse resolve tional highways commission)-to the Committee on Agriculture. itself into Committee of the Whole House on the state of the By 1\-Ir. HAYES: Petition of Bruce L. Burlingame and 75 Union for the further consideration ot the bill II. R. 19158, others, of San Jose, CaL, for an oriental-exclusion act-to the the agricultural appropriation bill. Committee on Foreign Affairs. The motion was agreed to. By Mr. HUFF: Petition of Philadelphia Credit Men's Associa Accordingly the House resolved itself into Committee of the tion, against Aldrich bill-to the Committee on Banking and Whole House on the state of the Union, with Mr. FosTER of Currency. Vermont in the chair. Also, petition of National Wholesale Lumber Dealers' As o The CHAIRMAN. The House is now in Committee of the ciation, for forest reservations in White Mountains and South Whole House on the state of the Union for the further consid ern Appalachian .Mountains-to the Committee on Agriculture. eration of the agricultural appropriation bill, and the Clerk By Mr. KNAPP: Petitions of South Rutland Valley and will read. Barnes Corners granges, of New York, for Federal assistance in The Clerk read as follows : For collating, mapping, illustrating, digesting, printing, reporting, consh·uction of highways-to the Committee on Agriculture. publishing, and disseminating information on the results of these in Also, petition of Sarsfield Club, of Oswego, N. Y., against rati vestigations and experiments. And the Secretary of Agriculture is fication of a treaty of arbitration with Great Britain-to the het·eby directed to obtain in the open market samples of seeds of grass, clover, or alfalfa, test the same, and if any such seeds are found to Committee on Foreign Affairs. be adulterated or misbranded, or any seeds of Canada blue grass (Poa By 1\Ir. MALBY: Petition of residents of the Twenty-fifth compressa) are obtained under any other name than Canada blue New York Congressional District, for prohibition legislation grass or Poa compressa, to publish the results of the tests, together to the Committee on the Judiciary. with the names of the persons by whom the .seeds were otrered for sale. Also, petition of Hermon (N. Y.) Grange, for Federal aid in Mr. CRUMPACKER. Mr. Chairman, I reserve a point o:fl building highways-to the Committee on Agriculture. order against the paragraph just read. I do not know but that By l\fr. MOORE of Pennsylvania : Petition of Philadelphia I would be in sympathy with a proper law to prevent the adul Credit Men's A.s ociation, favoring the Fowler currency bill-to teration of grass and other kinds of farm seeds. The distin the Committee on Banking and Currency. guished gentleman from Illinois [Mr. MANN] has a bill on the By Mr. PATTERSON: Paper to accompany bill for relief of Calendar safeguarding garden seeds and all kinds of farm seeds heirs of J. G. Thorp-to the Committee on War Claims. substantially in the same manner as foods are now guarded By Mr. PAYNE: Petitions of citizens of Walworth, N.Y., and and protected under the pure-food bill. The objection I have to North Rose Grange, No. 1051, of North Rose, N. Y., for the the paragraph is that it authorizes the Secretary of Agriculture national highways commission-to the Committee on Agricul to go into the markets and buy seeds from dealers promiscu ture. ously, making an examination of the seeds to dete1·mine whether By Mr. REEDER: Petition of Polish-American citizens of they are adulterated or misbranded. Thomas County, Kans., for the Bates resolution of sympathy I do not understand that Congress has yet determined what to the Committee on Foreign Affairs. seeds shall be designated as misbranded or adulterated. In the By 1\Ir. O'CONNELL: Petition of New England Hardware pure-food law the term "adulteration or misbranding of food" Dealers' Association, against a parcels-post law-to the Com is specifically defined. In the bill reported by the gentleman mittee on the Post-Office and Post-Roads. from Illinois he defines what shall be regarded as adulteration By Mr. SPERRY: Petition of Henry Grattan Club, of New or misbranding. Who is to determine in cases and under the Haven, and citizens of Ansonia, Conn., against a treaty of arbi provisions of this bill when seeds are adulterated and when tration between the United States and Great Britain-to the they are misbranded? Of course the Secretary of Agriculture. Committee on Foreign Affairs. Has there been any legislative definition of what shall be an Also, petition of Woman's Club of Willimantic, Conn., for the adulteration of seeds or a misbranding of a package of seeds? civil-service system for employees taking Thirteenth Census None at alL It gives the broad and absolute discretion to the to the Committee on the Census. Secretary of Agriculture, who will make for himself such stand By 1\Ir. SPIGHT: Papers to accompany bills foi" relief of es ards as he chooses, change them every day in the year if he tate of 1\frs. Eunice Hurdle and estate of W. M. Ste>enson-to sees fit, and the consequences are that if he shall find any seeds the Committee on War Claims. to have been adulterated or misbranded he is authorized to By Mr. STEVENS of Minnesota. : Petition of Trades and make public the result of the test, together with the names of Labor Council of Red Wing, 1\Iinn., against the Penr se postal persons by whom the seeds are offered for sa.le. bill-to the Committee on the Post-Office and Post-Roads. What will be the operation of that kind of a law? I confess .Also, petition of North Dakota and Northwe tern Implement it has been on the statute book for some time, but that fact Dealers' Association, against a parcels-post law-to the Com does not in any degree qualify the dangerous character of the mittee on the Post-Office and Post-Roads. provision. A special Government agent may buy seeds of n. AI o, petition of St. Paul Lodge of Brit Abrahan, against dea.Jer, make report to the Secretary of Agriculture that from amendment to immigration law-to the Committee on Immi his standpoint, in his judgment, the seeds are adulterated or gration and r ,.aturalization. that the package is misbranded. There is no opportunity pro By Mr. TAYLOR of Ohio: Protest of the committee on arbi vided in this bill for the man whose business may be affected tration of the Board of Trade of Columbus, Ohio, against in to appear and protect himself. He is entitled to no sort of creasing the United States Navy-to the Committee on Naval notice, but the Government inspector may buy the seed and Affairs. make the inspection and report to the Secretary of Agriculture By .Mr. TTI-tRELL: Petition of F. W. Derby and others, for a that the seed is adulterated, according to his official judgment, national highways commission-to the Committee on Agricul- and the Secretary of Agriculture then publishes in the public ture. . press the fact that Mr. So-and-so or a certain company in By Mr. WANGER: Petition of Philadelphia Credit Men's the State of Virginia, New York, Illinois, or any other State Ass:Jcia.tion, against the Aldrich cnrrency bill and indorstng the in the Union is selling adulterated seed. The result may be the plan vf national-bank guaranteed credit notes as formulated in practical destruction of the business and the business reputa the Fowler bill-to the Committee on Banking and Currency. tion of the individual or firm without any opportunity to ba