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Vol. 808 Tuesday No. 154 1 December 2020 PARLIAMENTARYDEBATES (HANSARD) HOUSE OF LORDS OFFICIAL REPORT ORDEROFBUSINESS Retirements of Members....................................................................................................611 Questions HIV: Ending Transmissions............................................................................................611 HIV: Pre-exposure Prophylaxis.......................................................................................614 Covid-19: Domestic Abuse of Older People...................................................................617 Universal Credit .............................................................................................................620 Nutrition (Amendment etc.) (EU Exit) Regulations 2020..................................................623 Coronavirus Act 2020 (Expiry of Mental Health Provisions) (England and Wales) Regulations 2020 Motions to Approve.........................................................................................................623 European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 (Relevant Court) (Retained EU Case Law) Regulations 2020 Motion to Approve ..........................................................................................................623 Scheduled Mass Deportation: Jamaica Commons Urgent Question..............................................................................................623 Covert Human Intelligence Sources (Criminal Conduct) Bill Committee (2nd Day).....................................................................................................627 Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (All Tiers) (England) Regulations 2020 Motion to Approve ..........................................................................................................677 Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (Local Authority Enforcement Powers and Amendment) (England) Regulations 2020 Motion to Approve ..........................................................................................................724 Grand Committee Protocol on Ireland/Northern Ireland (Democratic Consent Process) (EU Exit) Regulations 2020 Considered in Grand Committee ...............................................................................GC 135 Food and Feed Hygiene and Safety (Miscellaneous Amendments etc.) (EU Exit) Regulations 2020 Considered in Grand Committee ...............................................................................GC 149 Ecodesign for Energy-Related Products and Energy Information (Amendment) (EU Exit) Regulations 2020 Considered in Grand Committee ..............................................................................GC 155 Lords wishing to be supplied with these Daily Reports should give notice to this effect to the Printed Paper Office. 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The House met in a hybrid proceeding. Lord Bethell (Con): The noble Baroness refers to Noon one of the most interesting of the recommendations Prayers—read by the Lord Bishop of Carlisle. of the commission’s report. I took a briefing from the commission yesterday; members made that point very Retirements of Members clearly, and their arguments were extremely persuasive. Announcement We have learned a lot during the Covid pandemic about opt-out testing; I completely understand the 12.08 pm value of it, and I will take that recommendation to the The Lord Speaker (Lord Fowler): My Lords, I should department to look at it very closely. like to notify the House of the retirements,with effect from today, of the noble and gallant Lord, Lord Guthrie of Lord Herbert of South Downs (Con): My Lords, I Craigiebank, and of the noble Lord, Lord Haskins, pay tribute to the long-standing work of the Lord Speaker pursuant to Section 1 of the House of Lords Reform on HIV and AIDS. I have campaigned beside him in Act 2014. On behalf of the House, I should like to South Africa and have seen the passion with which he thank both of them for their much-valued service to devoted himself to this role over many years. the House. Does my noble friend the Minister agree that the HIV Commission’s recommendation for a plan that the Arrangement of Business Government should commit themselves to is a wise Announcement one which they should adopt? After all, it is D minus 10 now—10 years before AIDS should be beaten, according 12.09 pm to the SDG. We have the tools, now we need to The Lord Speaker (Lord Fowler): My Lords, the implement them. Hybrid Sitting of the House will now begin. Some Members are here in the Chamber,others are participating Lord Bethell (Con): I reiterate the tribute of my remotely, but all Members will be treated equally. Oral noble friend to the Lord Speaker. Over three decades, Questions will now commence. Can those asking he has campaigned tirelessly on these issues, and was supplementary questions keep them short and confined instrumental as Secretary of State for Health and to two points? I ask that Ministers’ answers are also Social Security in launching the ground-breaking “Don’t brief. Die of Ignorance” campaign, which made an indelible mark—its impact is remembered today. The tenacity HIV: Ending Transmissions that he has shown in making evidence-based decisions Question in the fight against HIV is a model for us today. 12.09 pm My noble friend makes a very valid point on the Asked by Baroness Barker need for a plan. We will issue a sexual health and an AIDS plan in short order; they have been delayed by To ask Her Majesty’s Government what progress Covid. He reminds us that it is D minus 10, a goal that they have made towards ending HIV transmissions we take extremely seriously. by 2030. TheParliamentaryUnder-Secretaryof State,Department Baroness Clark of Kilwinning (Lab): We know that of Health and Social Care (Lord Bethell) (Con): My stigma, even fear, can often prevent people going for Lords, the Government remain fully committed to tests. What does the Minister think we can do to achieving zero new HIV transmissions in England by improve the uptake of testing, particularly from those 2030. This is why we endorsed the HIV Commission, who are at the highest risk of contracting HIV? What which was established by the Terrence Higgins Trust, does he think we can do to improve the training of the National AIDS Trust and the Elton John AIDS those who provide testing to make sure that in future Foundation, and we welcome its report, published people are more likely to take tests? today. I reassure noble Lords that we will consider all the recommendations carefully, including an interim Lord Bethell (Con): My Lords, we have made great milestone of an 80% reduction in new HIV transmissions progress in the area of tests, hitting the UNAIDS by 2025, and how we can expand testing. We will use 90-90-90 target for the third consecutive year, with the insights of the report to shape our upcoming 94% of those living with HIV diagnosed, 98% of those sexual and reproductive health strategy and HIV plan. diagnosed getting treatment and 97% of those undergoing treatment having an undetectable viral load. The noble Baroness Barker (LD): I thank the Minister for that Baroness is entirely right: one of the greatest challenges reply. I am very proud to a member of the party which, is those who are not tested because they do not know before anybody else, advocated that there be services that they should be tested. Part of that is stigma and for people with HIV and AIDS, and we will be there part of it is encouraging people to step up to get until this report is fully implemented and the fight tested. That is the focus of the recommendations in against AIDS is won. Will the Government move to the HIV Commission’s report, which we take very introduce a system of opt-out testing so that all people, seriously. It has clear recommendations on marketing,