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Seanad E´Ireann Vol. 196 Tuesday, No. 4 23 June 2009 DI´OSPO´ IREACHTAI´ PARLAIMINTE PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES SEANAD E´ IREANN TUAIRISC OIFIGIU´ IL—Neamhcheartaithe (OFFICIAL REPORT—Unrevised) Tuesday, 23 June 2009. Business of Seanad ………………………………207 Order of Business …………………………………207 Visit of Czech Delegation ………………………………216 Order of Business (resumed)……………………………216 Night-time Rural Transport: Statements …………………………221 Multi-Unit Developments Bill 2009: Order for Second Stage ……………………………237 Second Stage …………………………………237 Adjournment Matters: Health Service Staff ………………………………259 Water and Sewerage Schemes …………………………260 National Drugs Strategy ……………………………262 SEANAD E´ IREANN ———— De´ Ma´irt, 23 Meitheamh 2009. Tuesday, 23 June 2009. ———— Chuaigh an Cathaoirleach i gceannas ar 2.30 p.m. ———— Paidir. Prayer. ———— Business of Seanad. An Cathaoirleach: I have notice from Senator Maria Corrigan that, on the motion for the Adjournment of the House today, she proposes to raise the following matter: The need for the Minister for Health and Children to clarify whether funding will be made available for the provision of obligatory continuing professional development, for example this September’s forthcoming European seating symposium, hosted by the Central Remedial Clinic, for health care professionals in the Health Service Executive such as physiotherapists and occupational therapists. I have also received notice from Senator Michael McCarthy of the following matter: The need for the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government to outline the progress report on the Courtmacsherry-Timoleague, County Cork, sewerage scheme. I have also received notice from Senator Jerry Buttimer of the following matter: The need for the Minister for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs to outline the plans he is putting in place to counter the growing drug use problem in Cork city and county. I have also received notice from Senator Pearse Doherty of the following matter: The need for the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government to address the situation in which hundreds of customers of Donegal County Council are paying over 10% interest rates on loans from the local authority and to outline how he intends to rectify this. I regard the matters raised by the Senators as suitable for discussion on the Adjournment. I have selected the matters raised by Senators Maria Corrigan, Michael McCarthy and Jerry Buttimer and they will be taken at the conclusion of business. Senator Pearse Doherty may give notice on another day of the matter he wishes to raise. Order of Business. Senator Donie Cassidy: The Order of Business is No. 1, statements on the night-time rural transport service, to be taken at the conclusion of the Order of Business and to conclude not later than 5.15 p.m., with Senators having five minutes to speak, on which Senators may share 207 Order of 23 June 2009. Business [Senator Donie Cassidy.] time by agreement of the House, and the Minister to be called ten minutes from the conclusion of the debate for concluding comments and to take questions from spokespersons or leaders; and No. 2, Multi-Unit Developments Bill 2009 — Order for Second Stage and Second Stage, to be taken at the conclusion of No. 1 and not earlier than 5.15 p.m., with spokespersons having 12 minutes to speak, all other Senators seven, and on which Senators may share time by agreement of the House. Senator Frances Fitzgerald: I propose an amendment to the Order of Business, that time be given for a debate as to how front-line services in Our Lady’s Children’s Hospital, Crumlin, have been affected by cutbacks. This morning I spent a couple of hours in Our Lady’s Children’s Hospital, Crumlin, as I also did last week. I went there this morning with the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Health and Children, which had a very useful meeting there. However, this raises the question of how budgetary cutbacks are affecting front line services for children. The joint committee heard of a hospital with increased productivity that is dealing with new areas of children’s illnesses and is providing an increased number of services but which will be obliged to make serious cutbacks over the next few weeks and months until the end of 2009. These cutbacks will mean that outpatient services will be cut for thousands of children and that inpatient beds will be denied to children. While Ireland undoubtedly faces an extremely difficult budgetary situation, should not these services be maintained, developed and given the funding they need? This children’s hospital is a centre of excellence that must delay the treatment of children, which means that Ireland in general and Crumlin hospital in particular are falling behind best international norms for the treatment of children with serious illness. For example, this means that a child with scoliosis could end up waiting for the condition to deteriorate by 20% more than would be the case in other countries before that child will receive the operation he or she needs. Moreover, this applies across the specialties. Urgent treatment is being delayed, which means that as time goes on, it will cost more to deal with such children and there is no system in place to deal with the waiting lists that are developing in this regard. This House should discuss this most serious situation, as well as discussing the priorities and what matters in Ireland. Members should discuss what services will be maintained as a priority and whether the unique and desperately needed services provided in the children’s hospital will be protected or will face the proposed severe cuts in the next few months that would mean children would not receive the treatment they need in Our Lady’s Children’s Hospital, Crumlin. Such a debate should take place in this House today in which all sides should be heard. A strong message should be sent to the Department of Health and Children about the priority that such services should receive. Senator Joe O’Toole: In recent weeks, I commented in this House about a member of the hierarchy, as I am wont to do. Over the weekend he has taken me to task and has had the audacity to tell me I am wrong in the public newspapers. I have known Bishop John Kirby for the past 30 years and over that time, I always have found him to be an honourable, decent and dependable man. If his record is put up against my recollection of a day, I will concede fully and uninhibitedly to his records of events. I absolutely regret that I cause him embarrassment and apologise for misleading the House on the issue. Senator Ro´ na´n Mullen: Did the Senator go to Specsavers? Senator Joe O’Toole: My apology also is tainted by the fact that I sense a single transferable vote of long standing moving slowly across towards Senator Mullen in this regard. 208 Order of 23 June 2009. Business An Cathaoirleach: No canvassing, please. Senator Joe O’Toole: In this regard, I acknowledge I was wrong. There has been much discussion over the weekend on the question of the judges and one should go back to the starting point regarding this issue. Senator David Norris: Hear, hear. Senator Joe O’Toole: This issue was simple and the entire weekend has been a distraction from what really went on. The Government of the day conned the world by not increasing tax through the expedient of calling it a levy. Senator David Norris: Hear, hear. Senator Joe O’Toole: I objected at the time and spoke in this House on the subject many times. This measure should have been called what it actually was, that is, if it looked like a tax, sounded like a tax and felt like a tax, it was a tax that was payable by everyone. Its description as a levy and the subsequent creation of a difficulty for the Judiciary has caused a problem all round. Someone leaked the information and a distracting debate has taken place. The Govern- ment should do the decent thing and make clear that from henceforth, this constitutes a tax. This would take pressure away from everyone, as everybody would be obliged to pay it. More- over, taxes should never be left up to individuals one way or another. It was disgraceful that this tax was given the misnomer of a levy. It always was a tax, constituted a tax increase, is deducted like a tax and is perceived by the public to be a tax. That would be the easy way to deal with it. I do not wish to listen to Fianna Fa´il Members suggesting that a referendum is required to deal with this issue. A one-line Bill is all that is required to the effect that this is a tax rather than a levy and that would finish the problem. Senator Alex White: I support Senator Fitzgerald’s call for a debate on frontline services. I agree with what she said about Our Lady’s Children’s Hospital in Crumlin. There is an urgent need for a debate on the services that are provided in the wards of this city’s most important children’s hospital. I hope Senator Fitzgerald will allow me to second the amendment she has proposed to today’s Order of Business. The debate is urgently needed. I ask the Leader to arrange a debate in this House, at his earliest possible convenience, on the general issue of child care. Senators will be aware that in the recent supplementary budget, the Minister for Finance indicated the Government intends to introduce a scheme of free child care places throughout the State. That announcement was partly welcome.
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