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Monday, August 14, 1989 Eighth Series1R. 20 Sravana 23, 1911 (Saka) /2.6$%+$ '(%$7(6 Fourteenth Session Eighth/RN6DEKD /2.6$%+$6(&5(7$5,$7 New Delhi Price- Rs 6.00 CONTENTS (Eighth Series, Vol. Lll, Fourteenth Session, 1989/1911 (Saka) No. 20, Monday, August 14, 1989/Sravana 23, 1911 (Saka) C o l u m n s Papers Laid on the Table 8-10 Working Journalists and other Newspaper Employees (Conditions of 10 Service) and Miscellaneous Provisions (Amendment) Bill—Introduced Salary, Allowances and Pension of Members of Parliament 10 (Amendment) Bill —Introduced National Waterway (Quilon-Kottapuram Stretch of West Coast Canal 11-12 and Champakara and Udyogmandal Canals) Bill— Introduced Matters Under Rule 377 12-16 (i) Demand for connecting Sriperumbudur with railway lines in the 12-13 Eighth Plan Shrirpati M. Chandrasekhar (ii) Demand for declaring Sorsan in Kota district of Rajasthan, a 13-14 game sanctuary Shri Jujhar Singh (iii) Demand for constructing overbridges over National Highway 14 No. 34 near railway level crossings at Dalkola railway station and Kishanganj Dr. Golam Yazdani (iv) Demand for acceptance of recommendations of Mandal 15-16 Commission on backward classes and inclusion of certain castes/tribes in the list of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes Prof. Narain Chand Parashar High Court and Supreme Court Judges (Conditions of Service) 16-55 Amendment Bill Motion to cons Jer (H) C o l u m n s Shri Y.S. Mahajan 16-19 Shri Virdhi Chander Jsin 19-22 Shri Haroobhai Mehta 22-25 Dr. G.S. Rajhans 25-28 Shri K.D. Suftanpuri 28-30 Shri Yogeshwar Prasad Yogesh 31 -33 Shri Ram Bhagat Paswan 33-35 Shri Syed Shahabuddin 35-39 Shri Somnath Rath 39-42 Shri B. Shankaranand 43-53 Clauses 2 to 7 and 1 54-55 Motion to Pass 55 Shri B. Shankaranand Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes (Prevention of 55-114 Atrocities) Bill Motion to consider Dr. Rajendra Kumari Bapai 56-64 Shri Ram Ratan Ram 65-72 Shri Ganga Ram 72-80 Shri Harish Rawat 81-83 Shri Bapulai Malviya 83-87 Shri Syed Shahabuddin 87-92 Shri Harihar Soren 93-96 Shri Digvijaya Singh 96-102 (iii) C o l u m n s Shri P.M. Sayeed 102-104 Shrimati Basavarajeswari 104-109 Shri Manikrao Hodtya Gavit 109-113 Shri Janak Raj Gupta 113-114 Discussion under Rule 193 114-155 Fourth, Fifth and Sixth interim reports and final report of Kudal Commission of Inquiry set up to enquire into the affairs of Gandhi Peace Foundation and connected organisations Shri T. Basheer 114-128 Shri Banwari Lai Purohit 128-134 Shri Syed Shahabuddin 134-144 Shri Brajamohan Mohanty 144-152 Shri Aziz Qureshi 152-155 Employees' State Insurance (Amendment) Bill 156-176 As passed by Rajya Sabha Motion to consider Shri Bindeshwari Dubey 156-160 Shri Somnath Rath 160-161 Shri Chintamani Jena 161-162 Shri Aziz Oureshi 162-163 Shri S. Krishna Kumar 163-169 Clauses 2 to 47 and 1 174-175 Motion to Pass Shri Bindeshwari Dubey 169-173 LOK SABHA DEBATES LOK SABHA SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN (Kishan- ganj): There is also a disturbing report about the alleged massacre of Tamil civilians in early August by IPKF in Jaffna. There any Monday, August 14, 1989/Sravana 23, many press reports about that. We have had 1911 (Saka) no occasion to discuss the Sri Lanka situ- ation. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU (Gobichetti- The Lok Sabha met at five minutes past palayam): We are going to discuss the Eleven of the Clock matter this week. [MR. SPEAKER in the Chair] MR. SPEAKER: Yes. We are going to discuss. [English] SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN: I would DR. G.S. RAJHANS (Jhanjharpur): A like that to be discussed. This is a grave large numberof people are being massacred matter affecting the good name of India and in Assam. This is a very serious matter and India’s Armed Forces, and I think that this the Home Minister should come out with a matter should be clarified by the Govern- statement. ment. MR. SPEAKER: This is Question Hour. SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA (Ponnani): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have given an Adjourn- DR. G.S. RAJHANS: There is no Ques- ment Motion about deportations from Kerala tion Hour today. in an unjustified manner resulting in even loss of lives on borders. MR. SPEAKER: I will convey your feel- ings. You can give me a motion for the MR. SPEAKER: The problem is that I suspension of Question Hour if you want, or have to find out what you mean by deporta- after Question Hour we can take it up. tion. SEVERAL HON. MEMBER: There is no Question Hour today. SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA: People have been whisked away by the police and MR. SPEAKER: No Question Hour? taken to the borders and pushed across the borders. They have been fired upon by the [ Translation] border force. We have been used to the Question MR. SPEAKER: Which border? hour. SHRI. G.M. BANATWALLA: Indo-Paki- [English] stan border. MR. SPEAKER: One by one. MR. SPEAKER: I have to find out. 3 AUGUST 14,1009 4 SHRIG.M. BANATWALLA: People from MR. SPEAKER: Not allowed. Kerala have been whisked away in an unjus- tified manner. People have lost their lives on SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA: I am sorry, the border of India and Pakistan. I w il be constrained to waJk out of the House. MR. SPEAKER: I have to find out. MR. SPEAKER: As you S(e. SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA: Since long (Interruptions)* my notices under Rule 377 have been pend- ing. MR. SPEAKER: Nobody is allowed to make a statement lice that and what I have MR. SPEAKER: It came to my notice tried to do is according to rules. I always do only this morning and immediately I took it and I have asked for the information. action. (Interruptions)* SHRIG.M. BANATWALLA: I have given an Adjournment Motion also. You allow my R is all right I cannot strangulate the Adjournment Motion. rules. For me aH are equal. MR. SPEAKER: I will have to find out (Interruptions)* Mr. Banatwalla, I have already written. MR. SPEAKER: Not allowed. Without SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA: There are rhyme or reason if you w ait out I cannot stop hardly two working days left now. My notice you. under Rule 377 was pending for long. Today I was constrained to given an Adjournment [At this stage, Shri G.M. Banatwalla left Motion. the House\ MR. SPEAKER: You only speak your- SHRI BIPIN PAL DAS (Tezpur): A self; you do not listen. Notices under 377 are grave situation has arisen in one part of my balloted. It is not done in any other manner. constituency i.e. Gohpur area. Everybody knows about it because all the newspapers SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA: Then you have carried the news on the front page for allow my Adjournment Motion. the last three, four days. About 200 people have died by now. The Government of As- MR. SPEAKER: That is what I said. H sam stated in the beginning that only five had came to my notice this morning and I have died. But 99 dead bodies have been discov- already asked for information. I have already ered by the Arunachal Police... written. MR. SPEAKER: You give some notice SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA: Do not so that I can just put it to the Government to strangulate my voice Ifce that, Sir. make some statement. MR. SPEAKER: You are strangulating SHRI BIPIN PAL DAS: I shall make only the rules. I cannot go beyond the rules. a few points. I shaR take only five minutes... Now, that is enough. You allow others to MR. SPEAKER: There are a few things. speak. Subjects tike communal trouble, atrocities on women and Harijans and all these things, (Interruptions)* we discuss here in Parliament But certain *Not recorded. 5 SRAVANA 23,1911 (SAKA) 6 things are State subjects. When you say that also sent a high powered delegation to probe this is something which concerns the Centre into the matter. also, then you tell about it. SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN: They SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN: It is an should be directed to make a statement inter-State subject. These are atrocities on today. an unparalleled scale. SHRI BIPIN PAL DAS: Let the Govern- MR. SPEAKER: That is the trouble his ment make a statement and on that we will not very dear. I want to be sure that we are have a discussion in the House. not transgressing the rules. DR. G.S. RAJHANS (Jhanjharpur): SHRI BIPIN PAL DAS: For three rea- is trying to create confusion among the sons it is no longer a State subject. Firstly, it Armed Forces. It ts a very serious matter. We is tending to take a communal turn. Sec- must condemn it. ondly, a large number of tribals have been massacred. Thirdly, it is going to affect the MR. SPEAKER: Chief Minister’s name inter-State relations between the two States. will not go on record. Because of these three main reasons it is no longer a State subject. It is a subject for the [Translation] Central Government to take note of. A large number of deaths have taken place— about SHRI HARISH RAWAT (Almora): Mr. 200 according to my report. A large number Speaker, the speeches delivered by any of houses have been burnt. Thousands of Chief Minister or by the Prime Minister on the people have fled their homes. 26th January and 15th August are very important but if a Chief Minister wants to SHRI SYED SHAHABUDOIN: 10,000 misuse it and wants to exploit and instigate people have fled their homes..