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Standing Committee on Human Resources Second Session - Fortieth Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba Standing Committee on Human Resources Chairperson Ms. Melanie Wight Constituency of Burrows Vol. LXV No. 6 - 10 a.m., Saturday, September 7, 2013 ISSN 1708-6655 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Fortieth Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ALLAN, Nancy, Hon. St. Vital NDP ALLUM, James Fort Garry-Riverview NDP ALTEMEYER, Rob Wolseley NDP ASHTON, Steve, Hon. Thompson NDP BJORNSON, Peter, Hon. Gimli NDP BLADY, Sharon Kirkfield Park NDP BRAUN, Erna Rossmere NDP BRIESE, Stuart Agassiz PC CALDWELL, Drew Brandon East NDP CHIEF, Kevin, Hon. Point Douglas NDP CHOMIAK, Dave, Hon. Kildonan NDP CROTHERS, Deanne St. James NDP CULLEN, Cliff Spruce Woods PC DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk NDP DRIEDGER, Myrna Charleswood PC EICHLER, Ralph Lakeside PC EWASKO, Wayne Lac du Bonnet PC FRIESEN, Cameron Morden-Winkler PC GAUDREAU, Dave St. Norbert NDP GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Liberal GOERTZEN, Kelvin Steinbach PC GRAYDON, Cliff Emerson PC HELWER, Reg Brandon West PC HOWARD, Jennifer, Hon. Fort Rouge NDP IRVIN-ROSS, Kerri, Hon. Fort Richmond NDP JHA, Bidhu Radisson NDP KOSTYSHYN, Ron, Hon. Swan River NDP LEMIEUX, Ron, Hon. Dawson Trail NDP MACKINTOSH, Gord, Hon. St. Johns NDP MAGUIRE, Larry Arthur-Virden PC MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Flor, Hon. Logan NDP MARCELINO, Ted Tyndall Park NDP MELNICK, Christine, Hon. Riel NDP MITCHELSON, Bonnie River East PC NEVAKSHONOFF, Tom Interlake NDP OSWALD, Theresa, Hon. Seine River NDP PALLISTER, Brian Fort Whyte PC PEDERSEN, Blaine Midland PC PETTERSEN, Clarence Flin Flon NDP REID, Daryl, Hon. Transcona NDP ROBINSON, Eric, Hon. Kewatinook NDP RONDEAU, Jim, Hon. Assiniboia NDP ROWAT, Leanne Riding Mountain PC SARAN, Mohinder The Maples NDP SCHULER, Ron St. Paul PC SELBY, Erin, Hon. Southdale NDP SELINGER, Greg, Hon. St. Boniface NDP SMOOK, Dennis La Verendrye PC STEFANSON, Heather Tuxedo PC STRUTHERS, Stan, Hon. Dauphin NDP SWAN, Andrew, Hon. Minto NDP WHITEHEAD, Frank The Pas NDP WIEBE, Matt Concordia NDP WIGHT, Melanie Burrows NDP WISHART, Ian Portage la Prairie PC Vacant Morris 261 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON HUMAN RESOURCES Saturday, September 7, 2013 TIME – 10 a.m. Ms. Sydney Davies, Maples Collegiate LOCATION – Winnipeg, Manitoba Gay-Straight Alliance Mr. Roger Armbruster, private citizen CHAIRPERSON – Ms. Melanie Wight (Burrows) Ms. Elfrieda Penner, private citizen VICE-CHAIRPERSON – Mr. Ted Marcelino Ms. Naomi Kruse, Manitoba Association of (Tyndall Park); Ms. Sharon Blady (Kirkfield Park) Parent Councils at 4:01 p.m. Mr. Tim Koop, private citizen ATTENDANCE – 11 QUORUM – 6 Ms. Cheryl Froese, private citizen Mr. Ryan Appel, private citizen Members of the Committee present: Mr. John Hoogerdijk, Canadian Reformed Hon. Ms. Allan, Hon. Mr. Chomiak School Society of Winnipeg, Inc., Operating Immanuel Christian School Messrs. Cullen, Dewar, Maloway, Marcelino, Mr. Arie Veenendaal, Dufferin Christian School Pedersen, Schuler, Mrs. Stefanson, Mr. Ms. Sandra Saint-Cyr, private citizen Whitehead, Ms. Wight Mr. Luke McAllister, private citizen Substitutions: Ms. Crystal Klassen, private citizen Mr. Joey Reimer, private citizen Hon. Mr. Swan for Hon. Mr. Chomiak at Ms. Keziah Thiessen, private citizen 3:29 p.m. Mr. Joel Nedohin, private citizen Mr. Smook for Mr. Cullen at 3:51 p.m. Mr. Brad Unger, private citizen Hon. Mr. Rondeau for Mr. Whitehead at Mr. Lawrence Hamm, private citizen 4:01 p.m. Ms. Melanie Froese, private citizen Ms. Braun for Mr. Maloway at 4:01 p.m. Mr. Brad Klassen, private citizen Ms. Blady for Mr. Marcelino at 4:01 p.m. Mr. Roger Giesbrecht, private citizen Hon. Mr. Robinson for Mr. Dewar at 4:14 p.m. Mr. Kris Kenemy, private citizen Mr. Goertzen for Mr. Schuler at 4:14 p.m. Mr. John Fehr, private citizen Mrs. Driedger for Mrs. Stefanson at 4:14 p.m. Ms. Shahina Siddiqui, private citizen Mr. Friesen for Mr. Pedersen at 4:14 p.m. Ms. Kathy Plett, private citizen Mr. Kelvin Plett, private citizen APPEARING: Ms. Darlene Duce, private citizen Hon. Jon Gerrard, MLA for River Heights Ms. Lindsay Brown, private citizen Mr. Silas Giesbrecht, private citizen PUBLIC PRESENTERS: Ms. Jess Reimer, private citizen Mr. Mark Reimer, private citizen Mr. Ed Hume, private citizen Mr. Bob Loewen, private citizen Mr. George Edenhoffer, private citizen Ms. Bonnie Loewen, private citizen Mr. Susan Eberhard, Manitoba Federation of Mr. Scott Wells, private citizen Independent Schools Ms. Carla Schmidt, private citizen Mr. Chad Smith, Rainbow Resource Centre Mr. Brian Schmidt, private citizen Mr. Donn Short, private citizen Ms. Kristy Penner, private citizen Ms. Kelly Moist, CUPE Manitoba Ms. Deborah Schnitzer, private citizen MATTERS UNDER CONSIDERATION: Mr. Michael Nelson, Brandon Pride Committee Mr. Patrick Woodbeck, Rainbow Ministry Bill 18–The Public Schools Amendment Act Mr. Robert Charach, Linden Christian School (Safe and Inclusive Schools) Ms. Celesta Thiessen, private citizen Mr. Leo Thiessen, private citizen * * * 262 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA September 7, 2013 Madam Chairperson: We're going to begin. The Madam Chairperson: Great. So all agreed and is Standing Committee on Human Resources will everyone agreed with regard to the special needs? please come to order. [Agreed] Before the committee can proceed with the Excellent. So that's where we're going to begin business before it, it must elect a new after I've gone through this. Vice-Chairperson. Are there any nominations? All right. So I would also like to remind Mr. Gregory Dewar (Selkirk): I nominate Mr. members of the committee that, in accordance with Marcelino, Tyndall Park. agreement mentioned above, the committee may also by leave decide to hear from presenters in addition to Madam Chairperson: Are there any other those scheduled for tonight's meeting. nominations? Before we proceed with presentations, we do Mr. Marcelino has been nominated, and have a number of other items and points of hearing no other nominations, he is elected the information that we need to consider. For the Vice-Chairperson. information of all presenters, while written versions This meeting has been called to consider Bill 18, of presentations are not required, if you are going to The Public Schools Amendment Act (Safe and accompany your presentation with written materials, Inclusive Schools). we ask that you provide 20 copies. If you need help with the photocopying, please speak with our staff. As per agreement of the House dated June 20th, today we will hear from 56 of the presenters As well, I would like to inform presenters that, registered to speak on Bill 18, and you have the list in accordance with our rules, there's a time limit of of those presenters before you. 10 minutes allotted for presentations and then there's an additional five minutes allowed for questions. On the topic determining the order of public So, in the 10 minutes, at nine minutes, I will try to presentations, I will note that we do have a remember just to give you a little note that there's special-needs request today, and so, with that, we one minute left, just so you can wrap it up. I'm not would ask if that person and their caregiver could go being rude; I'm just trying to let you know that first. And–they are George Edenhoffer, No. 50, and there's a little bit of time left. Mr. Ed Hume, No. 22. Also, in accordance with the rules agreed in the And also, with regard to the order of the House for the meetings–hearings from presenters on presenters, it has been suggested–yes, Minister Bill 18, if a presenter is not in attendance when their Allan. name is called, they will drop to the bottom of the Hon. Nancy Allan (Minister of Education): Last list of tonight's presenters. If the presenter is not in night what we did–usually the procedure can be that attendance when their name is called a second time we ask out–rural people to go first, but last night the tonight, they will be dropped to the bottom of the MLA for Steinbach suggested that we just go in global list of presenters. order because most of the presenters are rural and it's Prior to proceeding with public presentations, I not going to make that big a difference. So is–do we would like to advise members of the public regarding have the unanimous consent to do that today? the process for speaking in committee. Some Honourable Members: Agreed. The proceedings of our meetings are recorded in Ms. Allan: Or leave, sorry. order to provide a verbatim transcript, so each time Madam Chairperson: Sorry. someone wishes to speak, whether it's an MLA or a presenter, I first have to say the person's name. That's Mr. Ron Schuler (St. Paul): Yes. We normally we the signal for Hansard recorder to turn the mics on do take out-of-town presenters first. I think, and off. Okay. So I'll be doing that, and thank you however, that a lot of people will have been called for your patience. and told where they are–what number they are as a presenter and some of them may not be here today We're now going to proceed with the public 'til later on this evening because committee does sit presentations, so I will now call on Mr. Ed Hume, 'til late into the evening. So I think that would be fair private citizen, and Mr. George–to be followed by for them if we would do it in order. Mr. George Edenhoffer, private citizen. September 7, 2013 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 263 Floor Comment: Edenhoffer. identities, including student-led clubs or groups that use the name gay-straight alliance, the government Madam Chairperson: Edenhoffer, thank you so is actually saying bullying these groups is worse much.
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