A Prayer In his definitive RS Interview, Bono looked back on his life’s work and opened up like never before By Jann S. Wenner Behind the Shades Bono in New York, 2005 66// Excerpted from RS 986, November 3rd, 2005 er on St. Stephen’s Day, the day after Christmas. The sense of Who was God to you at that point in your life? asking questions about the music we were listening to. Why a gang that they had about them – you can tell that they con- I don’t know. I would rarely be asking these questions in- are you wearing earrings? Why do you have a mohawk? nected – as well as the melodic power, the haircuts and the side the church. Occasionally, when I’m singing a hymn like . How did you end up leaving that? sexuality. Which I was just probably processing. oh, “When I Survey the Wondrous Cross” or “Be Thou My Vi- I think we just went on tour. If you were going to study the Then performers like Tom Jones. I’d see Tom Jones on Sat- sion,” something would stir inside of me. But, basically, reli- teaching, it demanded a rejection of the world. Even then, we urday night on a variety show – I must have been, like, eight gion left me cold. understood that you can’t escape the world, wherever you go. years old – and he’s sweating, and he’s an animal, and he’s un- Your early songs are about being confused, about trying to Least of all in very intense religious meetings. restrained. find spirituality at an age when most anybody else would be What is your religious belief today? What is your concept And then, of course, Elvis. I’m thinking, “What is this?” Be- writing about girls and trouble. of God? cause this is changing the temperature of the room. And peo- Yeah. We sorta did it the other way around. If I could put it simply, I would say that I believe there’s a ple stopped talking. You skipped “I Want to Hold Your Hand,” and you went force of love and logic in the world, a force of love and logic be- Who else had a big impact on you, musically, at that age? right . hind the universe. And I believe in the poetic genius of a cre- Before I got to the Who, the Rolling Stones and Led Zeppe- . into the mystic. Van Morrison would be the inverse, in ator who would choose to express such unfathomable power as lin and those kinds of things, I really remember John Lennon’s terms of the journey. It’s this turbulent period at 15, 16, and a child born in “straw poverty”; i.e., the story of Christ makes Imagine. I guess I’m 12; that’s one of my first albums. That re- the electrical storms that come at that age. There was also sense to me. ally set fire to me. It was like he was whispering in your ear – my friend Guggi. His parents were not just Protestant, they How does it make sense? n the first weekend of his ideas of what’s possible. When I was 14 and lost my moth- were some obscure cult of Protestant. In America, it would be As an artist, I see the poetry of it. It’s so brilliant. That this october, I visited Bono in Cancún, Mexico, where U2 were on er, I went back to Plastic Ono Band. Pentecostal. His father was like a crea- a weeklong break in their Vertigo Tour. Bono and Larry Mul- Bob Dylan at the same time. Listened to his acoustic al- ture from the Old Testament. He spoke len Jr. were both there with their families – in fact, it was bums. Then starting to think about playing those acoustic constantly of the Scriptures and had the Elvis Mullen’s 10th birthday that weekend, and a barbecue was songs. My brother had a Beatles songbook – so trying to teach sense that the end was nigh – and to pre- planned at the house Bono had rented on the beach, where he, myself guitar, and him sort of helping. pare for it. Ohis wife of 23 years, Ali, and their four children were staying. And that song – which is actually such a genius song, now You were living with his family? With a storm gathering outside, Bono and I retreated to the that I think about it, you’re embarrassed the day after you Yes, I’d go to church with them too. bedroom, where we sat down to begin our conversation. We learned it – “If I Had a Hammer.” That’s a tattoo, that song. Though myself and Guggi are laughing started at noon and talked into the evening, then started again That was the first song you learned how to play? at the absurdity of some of this, the rhet- the next morning. In all, we talked for more than 10 hours. “If I had a hammer, I’d hammer in the morning/I’d ham- oric is getting through to us. We don’t Anyone who has been to a U2 concert knows Bono’s dramatic mer in the evening/All over this land/I’d hammer out justice/ realize it, but we’re being immersed in ability to tell a story and his sheer love of words. One on one, I’d hammer out freedom/Love between my brothers and my the Holy Scriptures. That’s what we took he is just as impressive, full of wit and charm. And he does love sisters/All over this land.” Fantastic. A manifesto, right there. away from this: this rich language, these to talk. Two weeks later, the day before U2’s fifth sold-out show You’re still doing the same song. ancient tracts of wisdom. at Madison Square Garden in New York, Bono stopped at the [Laughs] Right. So is that why you were writing such Dummy Lead “Rolling Stone” office to spend an hour or two clarifying a few “Imagine” is the first really powerful thing to you? serious songs when you’re 19? Fill here with dummy more points. “You’re going to need an anti-Bono-nic when this Imagine and Bob Dylan. “Blowin’ in the Wind” – all that Here’s the strange bit: Most of the peo- caption to here fill here is all over,” he joked. stuff – and the folksy thing. Which is, I suppose, what set me ple that you grew up with in black music with dummy caption to here Nihil cessolt rum The story of Bono and his band is a story of commitment to up for John Lennon. had a similar baptism of the spirit, right? omnium los proximmo one another and to the greater causes of social justice on which Dylan set you up for John Lennon? The difference is that most of these per- Bono has staked his reputation. Bono gives us a vision of how Because it’s folk. If you’re interested in folk, in words and formers felt they could not express their tomorrow can be better than today. He appeals to something whisperings, that quiet thing. I was in my room listening on sexuality before God. They had to turn greater than ourselves. He tells the story of his life and strug- headphones on a tape recorder. It’s very intimate. It’s like away. But I never believed that. I never gles in terms everyone can understand. He speaks about faith talking to John Lennon on the phone. I’m not exaggerating saw it as an either/or thing. in a way that even a nonbeliever can embrace. to say that. I remember John singing “Oh My Love.” It’s like You never saw rock & roll as incom- Our talks range from the early history of the band, to his ad- a little hymn. It’s certainly a prayer of some kind – even if he patible with religion? miration of hip-hop, to his troubled relationship with his fa- was an atheist. “Oh, my love/For the first time in my life/My Look at the people who have formed ther. He can be as harsh on the subject of his own albums as eyes can see/I see the wind/Oh, I see the trees/Everything is my imagination. Bob Dylan, 1976 – he’s any rock critic. The interview here represents a mere fraction clear in our world.” For me, it was like he was talking about going through similar stuff. You buy Patti of our conversation. But for Bono, that conversation never ends the veil lifting off, the scales falling from the eyes. Seeing out Smith’s Horses – “Jesus died for somebody’s sins/But not scale of creation, and the unfathom- Man of – he means to involve his audience in it for as long as he can, the window with a new clarity that love brings you. I remem- mine. .” And she turns Van Morrison’s “Gloria” into liturgy. able universe, should describe itself the People and we are all the better for it. —J.S.W. ber that feeling. She’s wrestling with these demons – Catholicism in her case. in such vulnerability, as a child. That Bono in Times Square, Yoko came up to me when I was in my twenties, and she put The music that really turns me on is either running toward is mind-blowing to me. I guess that 2005. “I will not let her hand on me and she said, “You are John’s son.” What an God or away from God.