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THE STATE OF

ARIZONA STATE PARKS BOARD

TRANSCRIPT OF AUDIO RECORDED PUBLIC MEETING

Tubac, Arizona

March 20, 2013 10:00 a.m.

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A PUBLIC MEETING, BEFORE THE ARIZONA STATE PARKS BOARD, convened on March 20, 2013, at Tubac Presidio State Historic

Park, One Burruel Street, Tubac, Arizona.

APPEARANCES:

Mr. Walter Armer, Jr. Board Member Mr. R.J. Cardin, Board Member Mr. Alan Everett, Board Member Mr. Kent Ennis, Deputy Director Ms. Vanessa Hickman State Land Commissioner Mr. Bryan Martyn, Director Mr. Jay Ream, Deputy Director Mr. Kelly Stetson, Board Administrator

OTHERS PRESENT:

Mr. Rich Bowman Ms. Ellen Bilbrey, Public Information Officer, State Parks Mr. John Driggs, former Phoenix Mayor Ms. Gwen Griffin, Volunteer Ms. Laurie Hachtel, Assistant Attorney General Mr. Shaw Kinsley, Executive Director of Friends of Tubac Presidio State Park Ms. Mindy Maddock, Chamber of Commerce Mr. Rudy Molera, Santa Cruz County Mr. Carlos Rivera, Santa Cruz County Manager Ms. Doris Pulsifer, Chief of Resources, Public Programs

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1 MR. CHAIRMAN: We’ll proceed without her, and

2 there’s just a few things we won’t be able to do.

3 First of all, I would like our newest Board

4 Member to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance, and since

5 we don't have a flag...

6 (Pledge of Allegiance by Members)

7 MR. CHAIRMAN: First of all, Kelly, would you

8 call the roll?

9 MR. STETSON: Yes, Mr. Chair. Chairman Armer?

10 MR. ARMER: Here.

11 MR. STETSON: Mr. Everett?

12 MR. EVERETT: Here.

13 MR. STETSON: Mr. Cardin?

14 MR. CARDIN: Present.

15 MR. STETSON: Ms. Hickman? Mr. Landry? Mr.

16 Brnovich? Ms. Daggett?

17 MR. CHAIRMAN: Okay. We do not have a quorum

18 at this point, but we will proceed. We will start by

19 introducing ourselves on the Board. I’m Wally Armer. I

20 live in Vail, Arizona. I make sure that people know

21 that’s Arizona, not Colorado. And I am the livestock

22 representative on the Board. And thank you, Vanessa, for

23 getting us Legal today.

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1 MS. HICKMAN: I know. I apologize for being

2 tardy.

3 MR. CHAIRMAN: No problem.

4 MS. HICKMAN: Okay.

5 MR. EVERETT: I’m Alan Everett. I’m a Member

6 at large from Yavapai County.

7 MR. CARDIN: And I’m R.J. Cardin. I live in

8 Cave Creek, Arizona, and I’m the Director of Maricopa

9 County Parks and Recreation Department.

10 MS. HICKMAN: And I’m Vanessa Hickman. I live

11 in Phoenix, Arizona and I’m the State Land Commissioner.

12 MR. MARTYN: I’m Bryan Martyn. I live in Pinal

13 County and I am the Director of Arizona State Parks.

14 MR. REAM: I’m Jay Ream, Deputy Director, Parks

15 Division.

16 MR. ENNIS: I’m Kent Ennis, Deputy Director,

17 Arizona State Parks.

18 MS. HACHTEL: Good morning, I’m Laurie Hachtel.

19 I’m with the Attorney General’s office and I represent

20 Arizona State Parks.

21 MR. STETSON: And I’m Kelly Stetson. I’m the

22 Executive Assistant to the Director and the Administrator

23 to the Parks Board.

24 MS. BILBREY: Ellen Bilbrey, Public Information

25 Officer, State Parks.

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1 MS. PUSLIFER: Doris Pulsifer, Chief of

2 Resources, Public Programs, Arizona State Parks.

3 MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you. At this point, we’re

4 going to call for the public call to the public, and I do

5 have several, so I would request if you could try and

6 limit your remarks to about three minutes, with one

7 exception at the end, I will give a little freedom to our

8 last call to the public.

9 But with that being said, from Santa Cruz

10 County, Rudy Molera.

11 MR. MOLERA: Mr. Chairman, State Parks Board,

12 I’d like to welcome you all to Santa Cruz County. Mr.

13 Martyn, it’s great to have you here, a former colleague

14 of mine, the Supervisors State Association. It’s good to

15 have you here.

16 I want to first all thank our community of

17 Tubac because they’re exemplary. They have pretty much

18 shown the State of Arizona what it is to take charge and,

19 boy, do they take charge. This Park, I don’t know if

20 you’ve had the privilege of walking around and visiting,

21 but they’ve done an excellent job of it and really kept

22 it going. It’s an incredible partnership that we’ve

23 joined.

24 And we have a little transition. A new group

25 is going to take over. We’re excited and look forward to

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1 a continued relationship with the Tubac community. It’s

2 an honor and privilege once again. Thank you. Thank you

3 for being here.

4 MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you for all your support,

5 the Board of Supervisors, if you would relay that to

6 everyone, I would appreciate it.

7 MR. MOLERA: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

8 MR. CHAIRMAN: Next, the County Manager, Carlos

9 Rivera.

10 MR. RIVERA: Mr. Chairman, Members of the

11 Board, thank you for coming down here and having your

12 meeting here at Tubac. As Supervisor Molera mentioned,

13 the Board of Supervisors approved an agreement recently

14 with Friends of Tubac Presidio to take over from the

15 Tubac Historical Society.

16 The Historical Society has done a wonderful job

17 out here. They’ve kept the place up and it was

18 unfortunate that due to some internal issues they decided

19 that they want to terminate the agreement.

20 My charge was to sit down with all the groups

21 involved to try to negotiate a smooth transition. I wish

22 it would have gone a lot smoother than I’d planned. But

23 it is effective work (indiscernible).

24 Today, the Board of Supervisors approved the

25 renewal of the (indiscernible) with you all, to continue

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1 to keep the Park open. The one change that I did talk to

2 Mr. Ream about was making it effective for three years. I

3 don’t want to have to go back and do it annually. We

4 know the State is still burdened financially and when the

5 State does finally complete (indiscernible) we’ll take it

6 back, and we’re fine with that too. But a three-year

7 agreement with the escape clause in there was fine with

8 us.

9 I just want to thank you for coming down, and

10 Mr. Molera mentioned, the Friends of Presidio and the

11 Historical Society have been wonderful people to work

12 with and hopefully they’ll continue to provide the

13 wonderful service to you all and to the community,

14 because this is a great benefit to Tubac and the County.

15 MR. CHAIRMAN: Again, thank you. And for

16 anyone who is now aware of it, the reason Santa Cruz -–

17 we have our IGA our Inner Governmental Agreement with the

18 County. It’s pretty much the only way we as a State

19 agency can operate other than some real extreme

20 situations.

21 So we were very appreciative of Santa Cruz

22 County for stepping up to the plate three years ago when

23 we first started negotiating this. And certainly happy

24 to see it continue. So thanks again.

25 Shaw Kinsley.

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1 MR. KINSLEY: Well I join my distinguished

2 colleagues from the County in welcoming you all here.

3 It’s a great time to come to the Parks Board here and I

4 hope you’re happy here and hope that you enjoy your stay.

5 In my remarks I want to salute the Tubac

6 Historical Society, which last December made the decision

7 to cancel their agreement with Santa Cruz County to

8 operate the Tubac Presidio, and we’re pleased that the

9 Board of Supervisor has transferred that agreement now to

10 the Friends of the Tubac Presidio. And we’ve got several

11 board members of the friends here.

12 Unfortunately, there has arisen a dispute

13 regarding the leadership of the Historical Society, and

14 that dispute has frozen all of the bank accounts of the

15 Tubac Historical Society, which include three accounts

16 that pertain directly to the Presidio. The funds have

17 always been separated, they have never been co-mingled,

18 there are separate titles on the accounts and yet they

19 are frozen in this internal dispute.

20 The Presidio and all of its volunteers and

21 management has no interest at all in the Historical

22 Society dispute. There’s no connection between the

23 Presidio and either faction of the Historical Society.

24 But the funds that are frozen are absolutely critical to

25 the success of the Presidio.

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1 Our gift shop has been hampered by low

2 inventory. The freeze has limited our ability to take

3 credit cards. We’re hoping to get that fixed today, and

4 as we head into the summer months with no winter

5 visitors, these funds are going to be even more critical.

6 So I am asking the Board for any possible help

7 that you can give us in coaxing the acting President of

8 the Historical Society, Mr. Chilcote, to agree to release

9 the Presidio funds and to go ahead and sort out their own

10 Historical Society funds in the best way they know how.

11 And given that we have so many people from the

12 public here, could I ask for a show of hands of people

13 who would like to see the return of the Park funds to

14 operate the Park in the most efficient way possible?

15 Again, we welcome you here, and any help you

16 could give us in this matter, I would be really honored

17 to have. Thank you very much.

18 MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you. I tell you what, I

19 wore my hat today. We can pass the hat before we leave.

20 Thank you, Shaw. Gwen Griffin, please.

21 MS. GRIFFIN: I ask to speak to something

22 because I am a volunteer of the Park and an unfortunate

23 part of the internal conflict that the Tubac Historical

24 Society. But I’m really talking to you today about the

25 Park.

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1 My parents donated the property on which the

2 museum stands, and they did it because they wanted to see

3 Tubac become a first State Park. They really felt when

4 they came up -– the last year my dad’s life was spent

5 trying to get the State Parks Board, which had not picked

6 a site yet, to chose Tubac, and they made the

7 presentation. And I’m very proud of the fact that they

8 did.

9 And I’m concerned that this internal conflict

10 and Historical Society is affecting the Presidio Park

11 when really the funds have nothing to do with the

12 historical site. The funds are separate. They were

13 collected -– they were donated and collected for the

14 purpose of running the Park.

15 So again, I would like to ask also, any help

16 you can to give those funds to the Park they belong.

17 Because I do volunteer here, I can tell you it was a big

18 headache working at the desk and not being able to use

19 the credit card machine because we don’t have the money

20 for it. This is such an important site. You have no

21 idea how wonderful it is hear people say when they come

22 in, “you know this is really a treasure here,” and how

23 pleased they are. Sometimes I have to twist arms because

24 they’re not quite sure whether this will be something

25 worth seeing, and they always come back and tell me how

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1 wonderful it was to go through, and I feel really good

2 about that. I’m sure my parents would be pleased.

3 Thank you.

4 MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much. Mindy

5 Maddock. These are in no particular order except the way

6 they were handed to me.

7 MS. MADDOCK: Thank you, thank you, from the

8 Chamber of Commerce. The Chamber of Commerce here in

9 Tubac is dedicated and it’s our mission to bring commerce

10 and business and people to Tubac. That is our mission

11 and our goal. And to that end, we have an office, we

12 support the Presidio.

13 What is fascinating is that the majority of

14 people coming into the Chamber of Commerce office asking

15 for a map, asking for where this is, are here looking for

16 the Presidio State Park.

17 I had some houseguests about three weeks ago.

18 They were here nine years ago. It took me nine years to

19 get them back from Florida to here. And I said, “But you

20 must go down to the Presidio” and Chuck’s comment was,

21 “We saw that, thanks.” I said, “No, no, no, you’ve got

22 to see it now.”

23 They went, came back and if you can say the man

24 bubbled, he was bubbling with enthusiasm. He could not

25 stop talking about the change, the dramatic change here

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1 at the Presidio, and it was due solely to Shaw Kinsley

2 and all of the incredible volunteers here, the Farnns’

3 and all the names I could keep naming here, they have

4 worked their tails off to make this a jewel in the crown

5 of Arizona and of Tubac.

6 One of the things that we want to encourage is

7 that we are an entire town here, we work together. And

8 it wasn’t just the volunteers, it was also the business

9 community, the gallery owners, everybody pitched in with

10 money, time and effort.

11 Yes, there is a dispute going on. They need

12 the money. They need their money unfrozen and returned

13 to them.

14 When we started we all -– most of us met here

15 about three years ago, signed the agreement between the

16 State Parks Board and the County. What a time of

17 jubilation that was. What a time of just joy. It is

18 time to pass the torch and the County and the Friends of

19 the State Presidio, Tubac State Presidio Park and Museum,

20 stand ready. They need your assistance, whatever you can

21 give.

22 You may renew the agreement with confidence.

23 Thank you.

24 MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you so much, Mindy. Rich

25 Bowman.

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1 MR. BOWMAN: Welcome, Mr. Chairman and Board

2 Members. Thank you for coming down here. What I’m going

3 to mention briefly, I’m currently the President of a

4 large organization, over 300 members, the Santa Cruz

5 Valley Systems Council. In fact, we are the largest

6 organization in Santa Cruz County. But primarily our

7 member base is right here in the northwest part of the

8 County.

9 And I think I can unequivocally speak for at

10 least -– I don’t want to say 100 percent, because you

11 never know. But I can speak for 99.9 percent of our

12 members, that everyone supports this Presidio Park. We

13 see it as a treasure to not only to Santa Cruz County but

14 our Village of Tubac. And the work that Director Shaw

15 Kinsley has done in the last three years has been

16 unbelievable.

17 I want to thank the good help we’ve had our

18 County Manager and the County Supervisors who voted

19 unanimously to enter into the new IGA so that the Park

20 could continue on under its new group, the Friends of the

21 Presidio Park and Museum.

22 I personally know every one of the Directors of

23 that group and you could not ask for a better

24 representation of CEO ability, lawyers, I mean they come

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1 with a wealth of educational and background to make this

2 work.

3 I think that you’ve already heard about the

4 issue with the funds being frozen. Personally, I think a

5 letter from your Board to the bank -- the bank is sort of

6 caught between a rock and a hard place. I think a letter

7 from your Board to the bank authorizing the release of

8 those funds to the County Manager until the new group

9 meets their non-profit status, would suffice with the

10 bank and the Park could continue and start their ongoing

11 operations and be able to use the credit card machine and

12 whatever.

13 So thank you for being here. We’ve got

14 facilities. I’m sure you’ve already seen and we want to

15 keep it going, and I have the utmost faith in the new

16 group that they’re going to do a great job overseeing the

17 Park. Thank you.

18 MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Rich. I will add, my

19 wife and I had a cousin of hers and husband in town about

20 a month ago and we brought them down here. Even from

21 Texas they were quite impressed.

22 I would like to at this time publicly thank and

23 acknowledge the Tucson (sic) Historical Society and the

24 work they did for the three years, keeping the Park open

25 and continuing –-

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1 MR. STETSON: You called it “Tucson.” Tubac.

2 MR. CHAIRMAN: Tubac Park. And I have every

3 confidence in the world that the Friends of the Presidio

4 will carry on in the same way and we look forward to

5 working with you very much.

6 I’ll tell you what’s interesting as I look at

7 the number of folks that showed up today. I can only

8 think of two other places around the state where we’ve

9 had meetings where this many people showed up. That was

10 in Apache Junction and Payson. And it says something

11 about small-town Arizona.

12 With that, we’re going to switch directions and

13 we’re going to go to Mr. John Driggs, the ex-mayor of

14 Phoenix, who was asked to address us today. And since

15 he’s the only ex-mayor we’ve got on board today, I’ll

16 give the mayor a few extra minutes. Mayor Driggs?

17 MR. DRIGGS: Mr. Chairman, Members of the State

18 Parks Board. My name is John Driggs, citizen. But I head

19 an organization called the Arizona Second Century

20 Initiative, which is a secondary name for my first

21 committee, which was the Arizona Capital Centennial

22 Committee.

23 And in charge of that was as a part of my

24 membership in both the Legislature’s Commission for the

25 Centennial and the Governor’s -– we ended up with two

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1 commissions for the Centennial, and I had the pleasure of

2 serving on both.

3 The Centennial is over, so I had to change the

4 name. It’s now the Arizona Second Century Initiative,

5 and my specific authority, and it’s been working with

6 four Senate Presidents and three Speakers, to renew the

7 State Capitol and put it back into traditional

8 legislative function of use in that historic building

9 under the Capitol dome.

10 I’d like Kelly to pass to each one of you my

11 six-page white paper on how through a private sector

12 government coordinated initiative, we’re going to breathe

13 life into six very important public buildings, six of

14 which are in control or owned by the State, and one by

15 the City of Phoenix. And that is Tovrea Castle.

16 Some of you may recall that this is my third

17 presentation in this category “call to the public” on the

18 issue of Tovrea Castle. I was designated Chairman

19 (indiscernible) project in ’99, volunteer Chairman I

20 would say, by then-Councilman Phil Gordon. That project

21 is now in it’s 23rd or 24th year. As a Bond project, City

22 of Phoenix can still not generate open to the public.

23 The other buildings that you see in this white

24 paper, start with the State Capitol. Three of the

25 buildings are on the governmental mall are either totally

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1 or grossly underutilized, and then you have the three

2 buildings in the area.

3 Mr. Chairman, Board Members, I believe that

4 it’s somewhat (indiscernible) that we’re meeting in a

5 historic building and that I’m hearing issues about how

6 State Parks and the private sector and the local

7 community can cooperate to help maintain our history.

8 We can just that history started here. Arizona

9 history started here. And when I was elected mayor in

10 1969, one of the first things I learned, and I had an all

11 new city council, all new city council. A staff member

12 came in and said, “Mayor, did you realize that this is

13 Phoenix’s Centennial in 1970?” And I said, “No, bring me

14 the file.” They came back two days later and said,

15 “Mayor, there is no file.” The previous mayor and

16 administration of which -– too long a story, you don’t

17 need to hear it now, but I had to scramble and in four

18 months put on a Centennial for Phoenix.

19 As a part of that, the State’s most famous

20 historian at the time (indiscernible), who helped found

21 the Arizona Historical Foundation of Barry Goldwater. I

22 had him come in my office and he said, “Mayor, Phoenix is

23 a wasteland of history. There’s no Historical Society

24 here, there is no history in Phoenix.” One of the things

25 I did as Mayor was form the Phoenix Historical Society.

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1 And we started working on a museum. And then the State

2 Society said, out of Tucson, the Arizona Historical

3 Society is probably the only Historical Society in the

4 whole country, not based in the Capitol. It’s based in

5 Tucson.

6 The then-Assistant Publisher of the Arizonan

7 Republic Gazette came to me and says, “If Phoenix goes it

8 alone with the Historical Society, it will kill many

9 efforts the State Society has to gain a presence in

10 Phoenix.” So I (indiscernible) with them, and you don’t

11 have time to hear all the details, but the fact is,

12 Phoenix is still a wasteland of history.

13 Because the museum that was created there for

14 the State Historical Society does not function and that’s

15 one of the six buildings in your white paper. And it’s

16 incumbent upon this Board as a State Agency, to

17 understand that that huge building in Papago Park, and no

18 one is more familiar with it than I am, because the

19 Historical Society asked me to raise all the money to get

20 it rolling. I raised four million dollars to get the

21 exhibits done and get it open, almost 20 years ago. It

22 has never worked as a museum.

23 So you have that marvelous and I literally mean

24 it, when I leave here, I’m meeting with the Chairman of

25 the Arizona Historical Society, his law office in Tucson,

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1 and I’m going to say to that group, and I’ve been a Board

2 Member off and on ever since -– the ‘60s. I’m going to

3 say it’s time for the State Historical Society to get its

4 own act together in Phoenix, actually the museum in

5 Tempe, that smaller part of Papago Park.

6 But I’m suggesting to this Board that you have

7 a great mission to do in Maricopa County -– and the

8 ironic thing is, you don’t even have any jurisdiction in

9 Maricopa County, because you don’t have a single State

10 Park in Maricopa County. That’s the province of one of

11 your Board Members.

12 And I don’t know the details, but when State

13 Parks was created, and this is my only understanding,

14 that when State Parks was created, there was an

15 understanding, and I don’t even know if it’s a contract

16 written, a constitution, or whatever it is, but there was

17 a gentlemen’s agreement -– I don’t why they call it a

18 “gentlemen’s agreement.” Maybe it should have been

19 gentlemen’s and ladies’ agreement -- but that there not

20 be a State Park in Maricopa County. Why?

21 I’m from the third largest county in the United

22 States and some of the most historic things right there,

23 no State Parks? So I’m suggesting as a part of this

24 overall presentation, Mr. Chairman, that if you haven’t

25 done it already, please direct Bryan Martyn, and I’ve had

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1 the great pleasure of working with him almost since he

2 arrived on this job, that a matter of action be presented

3 to this Board at its next meeting to fix the situation

4 that there is no State Park in Maricopa County, come up

5 with a designation category, and I propose that the staff

6 proposes to you, that the first State Park in Maricopa

7 County would be the Capitol State Park, number one.

8 And the second State Park, I didn’t think I’d

9 ever put Tovrea Castle in second place. But I think it

10 -– we have such a unique opportunity in that governmental

11 mall, the historic buildings and things that are grossly

12 underutilized. One of them used to be a museum, the

13 Mining and Mineral Museum. It’s now locked up. It’s an

14 abandoned building. And you have within your

15 jurisdiction, the State Historic Preservation Officer.

16 I don’t know if the Board Members realize just

17 how much power and influence you have. You were until

18 they changed the statute for the Centennial, you were one

19 of our entities, and you have two of them -– there are

20 four entities that form the Arizona Historical Advisory

21 Commission. The Arizona Park at U of A, State Museum,

22 the Arizona Historical Society, and the other two are

23 you, the State Parks Board and the person that reports to

24 you, and Mr. Martyn, the State Historic Preservation

25 Officer.

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1 You have immense power and influence. And so

2 I’m asking you to use that influence and let’s make

3 Maricopa County a (indiscernible) for historic State

4 Parks, with those designations, and I’m sure that the law

5 department can help the staff guide through anything that

6 would need to be done. I’m thinking that initially,

7 nothing would change financially. Tovrea Castle,

8 everything would remain the same. It would simply be a

9 different agency that would give Tovrea Castle a status.

10 And it showed up -– I don’t know how many of you have

11 seen it. This is the February issue of the State Agency

12 Department of Transportation’s magazine to the world,

13 Arizona Highways. Look at what’s on the cover. Tovrea

14 Castle. It calls it one of the five icons in the State.

15 One of your former Chairman, John Hanks,

16 Prescott, when I took him to Tovrea Castle 12 years ago,

17 he said at the top of this building, he says, “This must

18 be a State Park.” And then I found out later that

19 there’s this gentlemen’s understanding that there not be

20 a State Park in Maricopa County.

21 So I’m just saying, let’s change the

22 guidelines. It will bring the State Parks into a whole

23 new focus, and it will enhance the kind of thing that’s

24 happening here with citizens’ involvement in State Parks,

25 and I think it will be a renaissance for State Parks.

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1 Thank you very much.

2 MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you, sir. And we will

3 certainly take it under consideration.

4 MR. DRIGGS: Thank you.

5 MR. CHAIRMAN: And just as a point of order, we

6 do have one State Park, although we don’t operate it,

7 it’s (indiscernible) thanks to Carefree and Cave Creek.

8 They run it for us.

9 MR. DRIGGS: It’s the “Johnny Come Lately,” of

10 course, but I’m thinking of the emphasis of historic

11 State Park as opposed -–

12 MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you for coming, everyone.

13 Don’t everybody leave. All right. Next on the Agenda is

14 a Consent Agent and we have nothing to consent to today,

15 so we’re going to move right into the Director’s Summary.

16 Bryan?

17 MR. MARTYN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr.

18 Chairman, if I may request a point of personal privilege

19 to address the audience briefly, if it’s all right?

20 MR. CHAIRMAN: You certainly may.

21 MR. MARTYN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On behalf

22 of Arizona State Parks staff and Rangers, I want to thank

23 everybody in this room who not only has worked over the

24 troubles over the last few months, but has worked through

25 the troubles of the last few years.

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1 We could not do State Parks without our

2 volunteers. We have over 800 volunteers that make our

3 Agency work. I can’t be more clear. 800 volunteers make

4 our Agency work. Without those volunteers, our Agency

5 does not work. I can’t begin to thank you enough.

6 Personally, for me, I represent over 310 Park employees

7 and volunteers. We couldn’t do it without.

8 So you are definitely our family, you are part

9 of the reason we exist, you are part of the reason we’re

10 successful, and you are part of the reason why we have

11 2.2 million visitors every year who love State Parks,

12 thanks to you. Your smiling faces and your dedication to

13 everything we do, if I could pay you all, I would. But

14 please accept this as my most sincere form of payment.

15 Thank you for what you do.

16 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

17 (clapping)

18 MR. CHAIRMAN: And we will do anything we can

19 to help you resolve the current conflict if you wish and

20 get things back on track.

21 (clapping)

22 MR. MARTYN: Mr. Chairman and Board, it’s been

23 busy for the last month. A quick Director’s update

24 (indiscernible) events from where I’ve been recently,

25 just so you know, and the public appreciates this. I

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1 just got back last week, I spent a week in Boston, went

2 to Harvard for an executive education class. We talked

3 about running State Parks like a business, make them as

4 fiscally sound as we can, and know that we at State Parks

5 are dedicated to going to get the answers to the test.

6 This is a tough road to hoe, how do you save

7 State Parks, and maneuver to utilize the business acumen

8 that’s out there. We talk about State Parks, it used to

9 be kind of like a library museum. You didn’t have to

10 make money. Well, we’ve got to make money now.

11 So we’re dedicated to getting the education and

12 getting out there. It was –- I went to a class called

13 “Driving Government Performance,” which is right in our

14 wheelhouse, it’s what we do. It was a great class. It was

15 a great networking exercise. I ended up using my GI Bill

16 to pay the $7,000 for the one week at Harvard, so

17 taxpayer dollars weren’t spent.

18 But we are dedicated to that and just as a

19 Board, I hope you know, that’s the direction we are

20 taking this Agency based on your guidance.

21 But it was a good week, and the weather was

22 good. It’s not good this week and it wasn’t the week

23 before, but it was good weather while I was there.

24 This last weekend, I got back late Friday

25 night, and then Sunday morning I found myself out at

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1 Picacho Peak at the Civil War Reenactment. I want to

2 thank all the staff who made that event work. We talked

3 about volunteers. It was a great opportunity to get

4 employees, mostly staff, the Phoenix office, out to the

5 field, and they love it and they’re driving people

6 around. I want to thank the Deputy Directors who made

7 time to get out there as well.

8 We had almost 4,000 guests over the two days.

9 We raised about $11,000, I think is the number. It was

10 good. It was a good exercise for me and staff to -– I

11 was driving a golf cart back and forth. We take the

12 handicap folk at the parking lot and drive them to the

13 front gate basically of where the events are happening,

14 and men and women and child, everybody was having a good

15 time. As I drove them back, they were excited to go in

16 to see the cool stuff going on in there, as I drove them

17 back out to their car, they were overjoyed. From the 85-

18 year-old grandma to the 6-year-old kid, everybody had a

19 good time. They really liked the loud cannon especially.

20 But it was a great event. And again, volunteers make

21 this work.

22 All the re-enactors, not one of them got paid.

23 There were almost 200 re-enactors out there and these guy

24 and gals dedicate their time to support (indiscernible)

25 and what they’re all about, that they utilize our Park,

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1 our State property, to make great things happen, and we

2 all benefit from it. They’re dedicated to staying on the

3 Park and they would be interested in continuing with more

4 of this at some other Parks.

5 So we’re starting to talk to them about getting

6 these re-enactors out around the state and letting them

7 do what they do. A very positive event.

8 Also, about three weeks ago, we spent some time

9 down at (indiscernible), which is the home of the old

10 John Wayne movie, McClintock, that house out there. If

11 you didn’t know it, it’s just down the street from here

12 by the way, relative down the street. A great piece of

13 property that we picked up through some Heritage money a

14 few years ago.

15 We have -– I was looking on-line for some

16 pictures of the house, and I ran across the old weather

17 vane, a picture of the weather vane, and I clicked on it

18 and sure enough, there was a company that sold it, that

19 weather vane. I’m like, we’ve got to get the weather

20 vane for the John Wayne, for the McClintock house. So I

21 started calling around and the guy who makes the weather

22 vane lives in Benson, Arizona, of all places.

23 So I called him and asked him if we could get a

24 cost and I explained what we were going to use it for,

25 and he said, “You can have it. I just want to be down

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1 there when you put it on the house.” So they dedicated

2 the weather vane for the house. So we went out there to

3 the house and we put it up, and this guy belongs to a

4 Jeep group, a Jeep travel group. There must have been 50

5 people out at the house, and I can’t tell you how excited

6 these people were to walk through the 10,000 square foot

7 home, both inside and outside. They were very, very

8 pleased.

9 Now we’re still working through some issues on

10 the property. That property, just for the public’s sake,

11 is more of the environmental piece. The house is just an

12 add-on. We control about 21,000 acres total down there

13 for an environmental piece. One of our missions is to

14 protect resources, and this resource is more of a nature

15 preserve, just happens to have a little cool historic

16 house on it. So it’s not really open to the public, but

17 it’s a great venue.

18 So it was a good event and we continue to do

19 great things.

20 Some things coming up. A big thing, and I’m

21 sure everybody in this room is aware that this weekend,

22 we’re getting an award, and I want to thank Sholoff

23 (phonetic) for heading that up, and this is good. This

24 is good exposure at a national level for a great Park,

25 and who is the gentlemen who runs that that I saw?

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1 BOARD MEMBER: Mark Scarp, from the Valley of

2 the Sun Chapter of the Society of Professional

3 Journalists.

4 MR. MARTYN: Great guy, I’m sure everybody here

5 knows this guy is dedicated. And it’s great to recognize

6 the work that he does to keep that press up and keep it

7 operational as a matter of fact. Good things happening

8 there. So we’re very excited about that. Looking forward

9 to that.

10 And then Catalina State Park, we’ve got their

11 30th anniversary coming on May 4. Those invitations

12 should be going out this week. We are sending those out

13 to how many?

14 FEMALE SPEAKER: 300.

15 MR. MARTYN: 300 dignitaries and the like. It

16 will be a nice event showcasing one of our most popular

17 Parks, the most profitable Parks at that. So good thing.

18 You’re all invited. It’s just up the street. It’s

19 Catalina, towards Tucson.

20 With that, any –- Mr. Chairman, Members, any

21 questions about anything else going on, or grumblings

22 that you’re hearing? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

23 If you don’t mind, I’d like to go to Item H, if

24 that’s all right, Mr. Chairman.

25 MR. CHAIRMAN: Go right ahead.

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1 MR. MARTYN: Under item Number H, we talk about

2 State Parks, legislative updates. There are currently

3 three bills that are moving through the House and the

4 Senate.

5 The Continuation Bill is all the way through

6 the House and the Senate. It’s waiting, it’s through

7 caucus. It’s just waiting for a vote. We don’t see any

8 problems there. It did go forward with ten years, so

9 that’s a good piece of legislation that I don’t see any

10 problems with.

11 We had a little bit of pushback in the House,

12 but I talked to the legislator. He wanted to involve big

13 game hunting on Arizona State Park. I told him that

14 Tubac was probably a good place to go look for elk. So

15 he’s been educated on what actually State Park’s function

16 is. We’re not a big game reserve. So we’re good there.

17 The SPLIF Bill, 2172, State Lake Improvement

18 Fund, which represents about two million dollars to the

19 Agency based on the recompilation of how we did SPLIF.

20 It’s an ADOT Bill. It didn’t make it through the House on

21 a 60/0 vote, so I’m sure it’s doomed for failure at some

22 level. That’s a good Bill. That’s advantageous to all

23 the Agency, and we’re anxious to see that move forward.

24 It is sitting suspense in caucus in the Senate, just

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1 waiting for a Senate vote, and then it will make its way

2 over to the Governor’s office.

3 Finally, the State Parks one, 2621, that’s that

4 Bill that prescribes an opt-in on the vehicle

5 registration, a donation of sorts, that the State Parks

6 Board will determine what the donation value, what it

7 would be, and then any accompanying promotional item that

8 would go with it.

9 That Bill itself is over on the Senate side

10 right now. It goes to Rules next and we'll see. So far

11 it’s had great support in both the House and the Senate.

12 We’re watching that Bill closely.

13 So with that, any questions about things going

14 on relative to legislation effecting State Parks?

15 MR. CHAIRMAN: Seems like things are a little

16 quieter than they have been in the past, which is always

17 good.

18 MR. MARTYN: This is the calm before the storm

19 I’m afraid, as far as the Legislature is concerned, sir.

20 But anything else on that, sir?

21 MR. CHAIRMAN: No questions from any of the

22 Board. Okay, thank you, Bryan.

23 MR. MARTYN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

24 MR. CHAIRMAN: Why don’t we move ahead with

25 State Parks Operations at this point.

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1 BOARD MEMBER: I didn’t know where we were

2 headed.

3 MR. CHAIRMAN: Yeah. People can find out about

4 some of our other State Parks around the State, how we’re

5 doing.

6 MR. REAM: I don’t have a page number here, but

7 this is what the front page looks like, H2, in your Board

8 packet. I’m more interested in the table and the updated

9 attachment.

10 Mr. Chairman, Members of the Board, I just want

11 to remind everyone here that there are three Parks in

12 Santa Cruz County. It’s the smallest county in Arizona,

13 but it has quite a number of Arizona State Parks in it.

14 The Tubac Presidio State Historic Park, San Rafael

15 Natural Area, the Sonoita Creek Natural Area and

16 Patagonia Lake State Park. So it is -- I mean the next

17 biggest one is five Parks in Yavapai County and Pinal

18 County. I do call your attention to that. We have quite

19 an investment in Santa Cruz County.

20 You know the 13 Parks that are open to the

21 public and without any financial partners. We also have

22 the Parks operated by Arizona State Park staff, that is

23 Rangers on the property, and through partnership support

24 either in-kind or financial.

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1 We have the Parks like Tubac Presidio State

2 Historical Park, which is operated by -– through an

3 agreement with Santa Cruz County and operated now by the

4 Friends of Tubac Presidio and Museum. If I write a

5 check, I need to know all that.

6 So I want to go down and tell -– I gave a

7 pretty good description last meeting on where we were on

8 all these. We’ve had some updates since then. I’ll just

9 give you those updates and I’ll be done for the day.

10 The first is Fort Verde State Historic Park.

11 The Council is still considering it. This is a change

12 from a year-to-year agreement like we had here at Tubac,

13 to a five-year agreement. And they want to make sure all

14 the ducks are in a row before they sign a five-year

15 agreement for the operation of that Park. And

16 (indiscernible) time, we’re planning on setting up a

17 meeting and going over some of the concerns of that

18 partnership, and hopefully, we can get that ironed out.

19 The Hopi Tribe Partnership has been signed by

20 the Tribal Council and the Chairman of the Hopi Tribe,

21 and we’re just waiting for our copy to get back. It’s

22 just awaiting the Director’s signature. They’ve already

23 sent the check. So we are set for another year with the

24 management at Homolovi State Park and the partnership

25 with the Hopi Tribe.

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1 Move on down to the Tubac Presidio. I didn’t

2 even know this. This is how fresh this is. They voted

3 to accept this agreement this morning. I will assume it

4 will be signed by the County Manager or the Chairman of

5 the Board of Supervisors, I don’t know which, and then

6 that will be available for the Director’s signature and

7 that will be going on as well.

8 Many of you know, I’ll say it one more time,

9 that we are involving grazing. Our conservation owner,

10 who owns the property adjacent to San Rafael, will be

11 grazing about 100 head of cattle for the next five months

12 at San Rafael. He’ll be using two pastures and it will

13 be about 2 and a half months on each pasture.

14 We are getting the same money that -– we used

15 the State Lands formula for determining that

16 (indiscernible). We call it our Special Use Permit,

17 because it is not a long-term lease. We may have

18 grazing, we may not. It all depends. It’s all special

19 use.

20 MR. CHAIRMAN: It’s a fire prevention tool, if

21 nothing else, to keep the house from burning down.

22 MR. REAM: I’ll move down to Lyman Lake State

23 Park. We’ve made our call again to Apache County. I

24 will remind you that the Park will open in May for day

25 use, and then on Memorial Day, we’ll open it for camping

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1 all through the summer. This is an exciting prospect.

2 We’ve had a long-term commitment from Apache County for

3 four years. We’ve been getting money from Apache County

4 and making the Park open and available during those

5 summer months.

6 This is something new for State Parks, having a

7 seasonal operation in the State Park, and it’s working

8 out very well. We think we’ve got it down. So we’re

9 hoping that that will work out. We will be open in May.

10 The Tombstone Courthouse has been approved by

11 the Tombstone City Council, and signed by the Director.

12 That one is done. That is operated by -- the Tombstone

13 Chamber of Commerce, operates that Park with an agreement

14 with the City of Tombstone. A little bit different.

15 Everyone of them is unique to each town and each

16 situation.

17 Then finally, McFarland. It won’t expire until

18 June, but just so the little town of Tubac and Santa Cruz

19 County doesn’t feel left out, they’re having some turmoil

20 there in that small town over who is going to run that

21 Park, whether it’s going to be Main Street Program or the

22 Florence Historical Society. We’re changing our

23 agreement. The Main Street Program is out, the Florence

24 Historical Society is in, and what we like to call in-

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1 flux right now, as we move through the agreement process

2 with the town.

3 So hopefully, we’ll have that done by the end

4 of March. I believe the Historical Society is already

5 moving in. We do have a current agreement with the town

6 no matter what.

7 That’s all I have. I’m open to questions on

8 these. Again, all of these have been really great to

9 work on. It’s been great to work with these communities.

10 It is especially rewarding that these people who take

11 these over, how much they love the places and you can see

12 that in the way they operate them and the way they take

13 care of these Arizona State Park property.

14 MR. CHAIRMAN: There are no questions. Thank

15 you, Jay. I might add for the public’s benefit, just a

16 little explanation on the seasonal deal.

17 When we started getting into running into some

18 financial problems, one of the decisions that was made or

19 conclusions that was made, was that some place like El

20 Paso in the middle of the summer was hotter than Haiti,

21 and the only reason to keep it open in the summer is to

22 rescue people that are foolish enough to hike to the top

23 of it without any water.

24 So we decided that we would close a Park such

25 as that during the hot summer months. By the same token,

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1 you go up to Lyman Lake up in Apache County where it’s

2 cold as all get out in the winter time, you’re probably

3 not going to be able to do a lot of fishing or swimming

4 on the lake. So we’ve closed it in the winter time and

5 we’re able to shuffle some folks around and keep those

6 Parks open during the peak season. So it’s worked out

7 very well.

8 Next on the Agenda is a status update on

9 Presidio State Park, and Shaw, would you like to address

10 us on this?

11 MR. KINSLEY: I’d be happy. The status of the

12 Park is that we’re finishing up our busiest season.

13 March is our crescendo and visitation has been very good.

14 We’ve been blessed with being able to enhance several of

15 the exhibits. Michael Frisinger (phonetic) has given me

16 dry-mounted images of the 1974 dig that installed the

17 most significant exhibit we have here at the

18 archeological dig that exposed the foundations and the

19 artifacts found by the Arizona State Museum and the

20 University of Arizona. These color pictures just really

21 enhance that underground site and are very useful to

22 school groups and illuminating the whole process of

23 archeology.

24 We are very much looking forward to the award

25 on Saturday as a National Historical Site for Journalism

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1 and we promise not to ask why it was so long in coming,

2 since it was the first newspaper in Arizona in 1859. But

3 we are very happy to have it.

4 The excitement of about 3 and a half weeks ago

5 when the paintings that use to grace these walls were

6 removed forcibly and passed out that door to a waiting

7 van. We’re looking forward to the change in the

8 leadership of the Historical Society, so those might come

9 back. In the meantime, we are blessed to have a

10 fantastic exhibit of the Anza Exhibit supplied by the

11 National Park Service, and another gift from Michael

12 Frisinger. This traveling exhibit by the Smithsonian

13 Institution of the scenes of change, talking about the

14 Colombian Expedition, has gotten great comments and

15 reviews from visitors and it’s taken care in a nice space

16 here.

17 I’m really open to any questions you might have

18 about the operations, but steady as she goes is sort of

19 our motto right now.

20 MR. CHAIRMAN: Bryan, Ken, do either one of you

21 something to add?

22 MR. MARTYN: Mr. Chairman, if I might. Mr.

23 Bowman mentioned something about a letter from the Board

24 to the bank and County Manager, if I might address. We

25 would have to work through that with the Board’s guidance

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1 relative to the legality of can we even do that. You

2 know what with our commitment and the Board’s commitment

3 is for the Park to remain open with our primary partner,

4 the County, and all the imaginations of the problems that

5 are happening below that is what it is.

6 But we’ll explore, Mr. Chairman, the legality

7 of what might be able to do to help, and then get back to

8 you through the Board and myself if that’s all right, Mr.

9 (indiscernible).

10 MALE SPEAKER: That would be great. We’d sure

11 appreciate the help.

12 MR. CHAIRMAN: We’ll do whatever we can, as

13 long as our lawyer doesn’t get us in trouble.

14 MALE SPEAKER: Well, let’s all stay on the

15 right side of that.

16 MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes, question?

17 MALE SPEAKER: Yes, sir. If I could just add

18 an addendum. The money that I believe is in those

19 accounts that was already brought up, does not belong to

20 the Tubac Historical Society. It was money that was

21 given to the Presidio Park by groups such as our, the

22 Citizens Council, homeowner’s associations, individual

23 contributions, and it should not in any way be held

24 hostage because of the dispute between who the real board

25 is of the Tubac Historical Society.

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1 And that’s why from a legal standpoint, the

2 bank is just looking for -– actually a reason, so they

3 can turn that money over to the County. I don’t see it

4 being a real legal problem. But I know that it’s

5 something you have to explore.

6 MR. CHAIRMAN: Do we have contact information

7 on that?

8 MR. STETSON: We do.

9 MR. CHAIRMAN: Okay. Thank you, Shaw, and

10 thanks to everybody who is here today for all your work

11 you’ve done in the past and are going keep doing for the

12 next three years minimum.

13 Okay. Kent, would you like to give us a

14 revenue forecast, a revenue, and visitation?

15 MR. ENNIS: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I’ll be

16 brief as usual, or try to be.

17 We experienced our second January and February

18 decline in attendance and Park revenue on a month basis

19 over the prior February. We had about 16 percent in

20 revenues in the system. We’re down about 12 percent.

21 Yes, 12 percent. And we attribute that entirely due to

22 the cold, the two cold months that we had.

23 We are watching this very closely. We think –-

24 we were able to track it daily now with the reservation

25 system, and we think we’re in the process of catching up

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1 so that we’ll be at least flat this month. We’ve got a

2 ways to go.

3 But the good news is, is that we are still

4 attendance-wise flat on the year and year-to-date and we

5 are flat revenue-wise in the Park system. And our

6 revenue forecast is very conservative, and so flat is

7 essentially good. So we’re flat these two months. They

8 were also marked last year in January, February, but a

9 real surge. So we couldn’t keep that up. We’re not –-

10 in other words, at this moment, we’re not all concerned.

11 Our OHV Fund is actually up year-to-date,

12 approximately 3 and a half, 4 percent, so we’re good

13 there.

14 And of course our State Lake Improvement Fund

15 is the most stable and it’s essentially dead on from last

16 year and dead on forecast. And so we’re hoping that

17 these revenue enhancements, one or more, that the

18 Director had talked about in the Legislative update, will

19 come through. They will be a great help to us in the

20 future.

21 With that, I’ll be happy to answer any

22 questions.

23 MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes?

24 MR. EVERETT: The Legislation you mentioned,

25 how would that impact?

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1 MR. MARTYN: Mr. Chairman, Mr. Everett, if you

2 look -– take it back one slide. You see the black lines

3 that are up nice and high right there, those would come

4 back basically. It’s about $200,000 a month that we

5 would be able to utilize operationally. There’s some

6 limitations obviously to SPLIF funds, but it would be a

7 great advantage.

8 MR. EVERETT: And is that one where -– it’s a

9 safety fund isn’t it, that goes to counties?

10 MR. MARTYN: Boating safety.

11 MR. EVERETT: Yeah, okay.

12 MR. MARTYN: And this is (indiscernible).

13 MR. EVERETT: So this would all increase

14 (indiscernible)?

15 MR. MARTYN: Correct, yes, sir. Yes, sir,

16 that’s correct. This is a good thing for the Agency.

17 Eventually, our goal is to get off of the SPLIF Fund.

18 But in the interim, this is a good tool for us to

19 continue getting out of our two hundred million dollar

20 request for capital backlog.

21 MR. CHAIRMAN: Any further questions for Kent?

22 If not, thank you, sir. At this point, we will move to

23 Item G (indiscernible).

24 MALE SPEAKER: Mr. Chairman, my name is on this

25 memo and the subsequent grants related (indiscernible).

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1 But since we reorganized almost a year ago, I’ve been

2 working in a daily fashion with our grant staff.

3 (Indiscernible) I would like to go with our

4 (indiscernible) and go with our expertise and have the

5 expert on this matters, Doris Pulsifer make this

6 presentation, with your permission.

7 MR. CHAIRMAN: You may. It makes perfectly

8 good sense to me.

9 MS. PULSIFER: Good afternoon, Members of the

10 Board. The next few items are actually all pretty much

11 trails grants related, so I’ll just go and try to give

12 you some little bit of background on each one for the

13 benefit of the ones that are new.

14 This first items is a recommendation that

15 hasn’t been forwarded from the OHVAG, and it deals with

16 OHV Ambassador Grant Program. The Ambassador Program is

17 kind of a sub-program of the overall OHV Grant Program.

18 The purpose of the Ambassador Program is basically for

19 the operation of the Ambassador Group which they train

20 volunteers to go out and have a presence on these OHV

21 areas and to have events and just have a presence and

22 promote safe and responsible recreation. They passed out

23 educational materials and those kinds of things.

24 The Community Forest Trust is a partner with

25 the Prescott Forest. What they do, they coordinate

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1 volunteer activities. And a couple of years ago, the

2 Community Forest Trust on behalf of the Prescott National

3 Forest area, submitted a Grant Application for the

4 Ambassador Program funds. And they were awarded $18,500.

5 As part of what the grant was for is basically

6 was for equipment and materials and here two years later,

7 they’ve pretty much purchased everything that they

8 needed. But in the meantime, part of the deal was that

9 they would provide the OHVA coordinator. Due to budget

10 cuts and those types of things, they have not been able

11 to secure the funding for the coordinator.

12 And so what this request is, because they’ve

13 only spent a little over $6,000 of their total grant

14 award, they’re not asking for any additional money or

15 anything like that. This is merely just a transfer of

16 the unexpended funds that was to be used for equipment

17 and transfer that over and allow them to use that to pay

18 an OHVA coordinator part-time.

19 So that’s basically all this is. Like I said,

20 the OVHAG Group has reviewed this and has approved it.

21 MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes?

22 MALE SPEAKER: Mr. Chairman, I approve that as

23 recommended.

24 MR. CHAIRMAN: Would you like to read it,

25 please?

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1 MALE SPEAKER: Sure. I move to allow the

2 Community Forest Trust to use up to $12,000 of the

3 remaining funds awarded in Grant 571018, Prescott

4 National Forest, OHV Ambassador Program, for direct

5 payroll cost of their OHVA Unit Coordinator.

6 MALE SPEAKER: Second.

7 MR. CHAIRMAN: We have a motion and second. Is

8 there any further discussion? Hearing none, all in

9 favor, indicate by saying aye.

10 (Chorus of “ayes.”)

11 MR. CHAIRMAN: Opposed? So be it. Thank you.

12 MS. PULSIFER: And the next item is to ask you

13 to consider a revision to the OHV Project Grant Writing

14 Process, Criteria, and Evaluation Form.

15 And, again, just to give you a little bit of

16 background in a nutshell. A couple of years ago,

17 (indiscernible) prior to last September, the OHVAG Group

18 had the authority to rate and award grant funding. And a

19 couple of years ago while they were going through this -–

20 they had a little bit different process back with -– they

21 asked staff if they could assist them by looking at a

22 method for them to be able to score these grants.

23 And so staff did that and came up with what we

24 call the Evaluation Tool. And that’s basically just –-

25 it’s a form that allows it to prioritize the projects.

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1 So kind of moving, fast forwarding to last June, this

2 body requested that the grant criteria and funding

3 request be reviewed staff, (indiscernible) and for those

4 recommendations to be then forwarded to the Board for

5 final approval.

6 So following that action, in August AORCC met

7 and then OVHAG. And the purpose to bring AORCC into the

8 picture was because statutorily AORCC is responsible for

9 reviewing OHV grants. And somewhere along the lines,

10 years before I came to State Parks, they stopped doing

11 that. I suspect it had something to do with back when we

12 had the Heritage funds and it was probably split up where

13 AORCC probably took over the trails, the Heritage trails

14 part, and then (indiscernible) took care of the OHV

15 grants.

16 I’m not sure that that’s how it came about, but

17 I kind of suspect that’s what happened.

18 Anyway, going back to June –- or, I mean, last

19 August, following that request by the Board

20 (indiscernible), first AORCC met and they reviewed the

21 evaluation tool and the criteria and they made a few

22 suggestions. Pretty much they accepted what staff had

23 come up with and the evaluation tool is basically split

24 up into two sections. The main section is the ace

25 points, which is basically -– it takes the priorities of

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1 the State Trails Plan and it assigns points to the

2 different components. There’s three priorities, and

3 within the three priorities there’s different components.

4 So the face part, assigned the tools 100 points

5 for that section and then we asked AORCC and OHVAG both,

6 to consider bonus categories. So the second part just

7 assigns different points to different bonus categories.

8 And if you look in your packet, just a couple of pages

9 farther on you’ll see a description of those bonus

10 categories.

11 So AORCC, basically, their recommendation went

12 forward and in their recommendation they decided that

13 they did not want to be responsible for actually rating

14 the grants. They asked for staff to do that and then

15 bring the recommendation to them and they would consider

16 that recommendation. That was one part.

17 And then OHVAG, on the other hand, they wanted

18 to go ahead and do their own ratings. So that was kind

19 of the difference there.

20 The other significant, and it wasn’t really all

21 that significant was, in the bonus category, this is

22 where we come to this item here, there was a slight

23 difference in the bonus category having to do with public

24 support.

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1 Now part of the reason going back to why the

2 Board asked AORCC to take part in coming up with criteria

3 is because of the two different perspectives. AORCC kind

4 of has an overall picture of the recreation arena, where

5 OHVAG has a focus on OHV-related activities.

6 So the two perspectives, just a little bit

7 different there, and it kind of comes out in this one

8 particular bonus category, in that AORCC's view of public

9 support is a little bit different in the definition of

10 what public support is.

11 In AORCC's mind, public support is the overall

12 public support non-OHV groups. Now, OHVAG on the other

13 hand sees public support as support from OHV groups. So

14 this is where the two differences came in.

15 When this was forwarded to the Board in

16 September, the Board pretty much approved all of the

17 bonus categories and it was their decision that at that

18 time that public Parks -– considered overall support from

19 letters -– from anybody.

20 And so following that action in September, the

21 Grant Manuals were delivered based on the criteria that

22 was approved by the Board. We accepted the applications

23 from the different entities based on this criteria and it

24 was ranked and rated based on that criteria.

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1 Now, we told both AORCC and OHVAG that

2 following this first cycle using this new grant criteria

3 and the evaluation tool, that they would have the

4 opportunity to evaluate the rating process and make

5 recommendations.

6 So following this first cycle, first it was

7 presented to AORCC and AORCC made their recommendations

8 on the funding request and they evaluated the process and

9 they didn’t have any changes. They felt that the

10 evaluation process and the evaluation tool all worked

11 very well, and so they do not have a recommendation for

12 me to present to you today.

13 OHVAG on the other hand had a few different

14 ideas that they still want to review a little bit more.

15 But for today, the recommendation that they did forward

16 was for you to, again, please reconsider the public

17 support and what their definition is, again, the OHV

18 community.

19 So that’s what this request is, asking you to

20 reconsider that bonus criteria of the definition of

21 public support.

22 MR. CHAIRMAN: That we originally took care of

23 in September of last year?

24 MS. PULSIFER: Yes.

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1 MR. CHAIRMAN: With that, I would entertain a

2 motion to approve this.

3 MALE SPEAKER: I move the Arizona State Parks

4 Board revise the Grant Rating Criteria for the 2013 OHV

5 State (indiscernible) Grant Program Manual per Director

6 (indiscernible) of OHVAG on February 22, 2013.

7 MR. CHAIRMAN: Is there a second? We don’t

8 have a second for the motion.

9 FEMALE SPEAKER: I have a point of

10 clarification, if I may.

11 MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes.

12 FEMALE SPEAKER: So this is contrary to what

13 the Board discussed in September, is this what I’m

14 gathering, or --

15 MR. CHAIRMAN: No.

16 FEMALE SPEAKER: -- this is in accord with what

17 the Board -– okay. I just wanted to confirm. No it’s

18 contrary.

19 MS. PULSIFER: Right. In September, the Board

20 reviewed the same criteria and went with the

21 recommendation that public support meant -– or community

22 support meant public support overall.

23 MR. CHAIRMAN: Not just OHVAG.

24 MS. PULSIFER: Right.

25 FEMALE SPEAKER: Exactly.

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1 MR. CHAIRMAN: Not just OHV support, right.

2 FEMALE SPEAKER: And this is in accord with

3 overall public support, or this is OHV community support?

4 MS. PULSIFER: This is OHV community support.

5 MR. MARTYN: Mr. Chairman, if I might ask you a

6 question.

7 MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes.

8 MR. MARTYN: Relative to what OHV has

9 recommended here, this only affects their personal

10 criteria and rating. It does -– and this does not in any

11 impact AORCC's recommendation or staff’s recommendation.

12 This just allows the OHV community to place more emphasis

13 somewhere than the other.

14 This body as the approval authority for these

15 grants, still can take or whatever piece of

16 recommendation that is. This is simply giving the OHVAG

17 community kind of their own spin on it, and then it will

18 be this job, this Board’s job to massage, take that into

19 consideration relative to the score that they give to a

20 particular item.

21 We did see in this last grant cycle, that the

22 OHV community agreed with staff’s recommendations, where

23 AORCC actually changed a few things.

24 So, ultimately, it will give this Board still

25 the ability to make an educated decision relative to the

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1 grant cycle, but it will also empower the HOV community

2 to feel that they’re getting their focus on what they

3 want to do. And that was the reason why the Board made

4 the recommendation months ago, allowed AORCC to take

5 their look at, allowed staff to take their look at it,

6 and then let OHV put their two cents in.

7 That’s all we’re doing. This motion allows

8 OHVAG to personalize their grant criteria.

9 MALE SPEAKER: Mr. Chairman?

10 MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes.

11 MALE SPEAKER: Question then based on that. So

12 there would now be two separate grant rating criteria?

13 One that OHVAG would use and one that AORCC would use?

14 MS. PULSIFER: No. Because we developed the

15 Grant Manual. We can only have one set of criteria. So

16 it’s whatever this Board –-

17 MALE SPEAKER: So if we pass this, then we are

18 going against what AORCC is recommending and going with

19 what OHVAG is recommending?

20 MR. MARTYN: Excuse me, Mr. Chairman. Okay, if

21 the Board approves this, what happens to the overall

22 grant criteria?

23 MS. PULSIFER: The overall grant criteria stays

24 the same. It’s just the definition of what public

25 support, community support is. And it’s just basically

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1 what AORCC's perspective is overall and OHVAG is focused

2 on the OHV community. So it’s two different

3 perspectives.

4 MALE SPEAKER: So if this is passed, though,

5 whose perspective do we use?

6 MS. PULSIFER: I don’t really want to speak for

7 AORCC, but AORCC really -– they -– I don’t think that

8 they would really have a problem with narrowing it down

9 to the OHV community. They feel that, you know, public

10 support is probably -– weighs more in the long run.

11 But I don’t think that they would necessarily

12 have a problem if it was narrowed down to OHV.

13 FEMALE SPEAKER: And so I’m only comfortable

14 with overall public support. I’m not sure how all the

15 dynamics work here with the way these groups interact.

16 But if this is narrowing it down anywhere so it’s just

17 OHV and that’s the guideline that we’re looking at,

18 that’s not something that I would be supportive of.

19 MALE SPEAKER: Nor would I.

20 MR. MARTYN: Mr. Chairman, so let’s make this

21 clear for the Board’s sake. Relative to the criteria

22 that would be written, overall criteria, we would change

23 it to focus on the OHV definition, and the original AORCC

24 definition would come out.

25 FEMALE SPEAKER: If this is passed, correct?

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1 MR. MARTYN: Yes. Mr. Chairman, I believe

2 you’re accurate in your perception of what you’re asking

3 for here.

4 MR. CHAIRMAN: I was going to say, absent no

5 second, the motion dies. Okay, Doris.

6 MS. PULSIFER: Okay, Number 3. This motion is

7 forwarded to you from the ASCOT Group, the Arizona State

8 Trails Community on Trails, and they are charged with

9 reviewing the nominations for trails to be included in

10 the State Trail System. And they’ve been collecting

11 these applications for some time now, and they’ve

12 actually received 16 applications, one was -– it’s not

13 included in this recommendation. It’s not that it’s not

14 a good trail, it’s just that they need more work on their

15 application.

16 So for today, the recommendation from ASCOT, is

17 to approve these 15 trails that are listed here in table

18 one, just so that for a matter of record so that you

19 won’t have to read them into your motion, I’m going to

20 go through them real quick.

21 We have eight that have been submitted from

22 Maricopa County and for a total of 21.9 miles. It

23 includes the Lake Pleasant Regional Park-Anthem I-17

24 Connector Trails, the Mule Deer Trail, the Sonoran Trail,

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1 Verde Trails, the Tortoise Trail, the Rock Knob Trail,

2 the Chuparosa Trail, and Shallmo Wash Trail.

3 The Town of Marana has submitted six

4 applications for a total of 22 miles, and they include

5 the Alamo Springs Trail, Cochinse Spring Trail, Lower

6 Javelina Trail, Upper Javelina Trail, Wild Burrow Trail,

7 Wild Mustang Trail.

8 And the City of Bullhead City submitted one

9 application for 1.25 miles and that's for the Colorado

10 River Nature Trail.

11 So we have 15 trails totaling 45.15 miles. And

12 these trails meet different criteria, depending on what

13 type of trail they are. They have specific –- depending

14 on trail, they have specific criteria, whether it’s urban

15 trail across State trail, recreation trail, interpretive

16 trail, historic trail, or paddle trail.

17 The existing -– the trails that are forwarded

18 for recommendation have to be either an existing trail or

19 a proposed trail that the planning has been completed or

20 construction is ready to go. So that’s part of the

21 criteria for these trails.

22 MR. CHAIRMAN: Any questions?

23 FEMALE SPEAKER: Yes. I have a question, Mr.

24 Chairman, Doris. So the trails that are proposed are the

25 rights to the property ownership of the trail. Have

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1 those been established, has the property owner been

2 consulted with on these?

3 MS. PULSIFER: That’s part of the requirement,

4 yes.

5 FEMALE SPEAKER: So they each have the rights?

6 Okay.

7 MS. PULSIFER: So it’s -– basically, it’s a

8 designation is what it is.

9 FEMALE SPEAKER: And part of the review process

10 is that the property owner has been consulted with and

11 has agreed to the designation on their land?

12 MS. PUSLIFER: Yes, that’s all part of the

13 application.

14 FEMALE SPEAKER: Okay. Thank you.

15 MR. CHAIRMAN: If there are no further

16 questions, I would entertain a motion.

17 MALE SPEAKER: I move to accept the trails

18 listed in Table 1 into the State Trail system.

19 MR. CHAIRMAN: Is there a second?

20 FEMALE SPEAKER: Okay. I will second then.

21 MALE SPEAKER: Mr. Chairman, because a number

22 of these are County Parks, I will have to abstain from

23 voting on this.

24 MR. CHAIRMAN: In that case, all in favor,

25 indicate by saying aye.

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1 (Chorus of “ayes.”)

2 MR. CHAIRMAN: Opposed? Thank you. Now you

3 can go out and take care of your trails.

4 Okay, Doris.

5 MS. PULSIFER: Okay. The last item is a

6 funding request for the OHV Program, funding ramps. And

7 we have offered two different options here motions.

8 Again, going back to the criteria both AORCC

9 and OHVAG rated these applications based on the criteria

10 that was approved back in September. What staff has

11 presented to both groups and both groups have agreed,

12 that we would like to be able to take -– we have -– well,

13 we anticipate that we’ll have about three million dollars

14 available for grants through June of 2014. One of the

15 things that we would like to see even though we’ve got

16 plenty of money available – actually, we could probably

17 fund all of them or at least most of them. But instead

18 of just funding grants or requests just because we have

19 enough money, we’d like to see the money go to good

20 projects.

21 So the recommendation from staff to the two

22 groups was that we try to divide the money up into three

23 different cycles. So up to the time that we offered the

24 notice or the opportunity for the first cycle, we had

25 about 2,000 –- 2.4 million available.

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1 The grants that were received, I went ahead,

2 and we had them listed in attachments A, B, and C of your

3 packet and I realized that they were kind of small to

4 read. So I have reproduced them on larger sheets that I

5 handed out just before the meeting today.

6 Now one of the things, again, having to do with

7 the evaluation tool, it turns out that the evaluation

8 tool seems to be working really, really well, because

9 again, the evaluation tool is just meant to prioritize

10 these funding requests.

11 And so when AORCC met to review these -– to

12 review the funding request and gain -- keep in mind that

13 AORCC selected for staff to rate the grants or the rating

14 team I should say, the review team to rate the grants and

15 then bring a recommendation to them and they would

16 consider the rating team’s recommendation.

17 AORCC met first and they agreed with staff’s

18 recommendation and that was to fund the top -– the seven

19 highest-rated grants. In addition to that, our OHV

20 coordinator also recommended that we go below the line

21 and that we fund the Arizona Game and Fish project, which

22 was for a trail designation for Alamo Trail. It was only

23 for $3,000. They felt it was a worthy trail and even

24 though it fell below the line, it was recommended.

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1 AORCC agreed with staff’s recommendation to

2 fund the top seven, plus the Arizona Game and Fish, but

3 in addition to that, Game and Fish also recommended to

4 approve the BLM project for the mobile station. And

5 that’s also below the line.

6 The Mobile Information Center, AORCC felt that

7 it was a good project because it included -– it was a

8 mobile station that was going to include exhibits on

9 outdoor recreation and it also included educational

10 information in there, materials on OHV. So there

11 recommendation was to include the BLM project.

12 So AORCC's recommendation was to fund the seven

13 highest scoring projects which totals $775,563; plus the

14 Arizona Game and Fish trail designation to Alamo Lake for

15 $3,000, and then the BLM for $73,556, for a total of nine

16 projects totaling $852,119.

17 Now when OHVAG met and again now they each –-

18 each member was provided with the entire packet and they

19 individually rated these applications and then they met

20 as a group and they came up with a consensus rating.

21 And the beauty of it is is that although their

22 scores were a little bit different than staff’s scores,

23 in the end, it turned out that they were the exact same

24 projects. And even though they may not have been quite

25 the same order, it was still the top seven.

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1 So OHVAG’s recommendation actually mirrors

2 staff’s recommendation and they to agreed with staff that

3 Game and Fish, the $3,000 request for the designation for

4 the Alamo Trail was a good project, and they also

5 recommended that for approval.

6 Now they had a different take on the BLM. We

7 made them aware of AORCC's recommendation. Now OHVAG’s

8 opinion is that although the BLM project is a good

9 recreation project, it’s not that there’s anything wrong

10 with the Mobile Information Center, it’s just OHV money,

11 it doesn’t focus on OHV, it focuses on overall

12 recreation. And OHVAG’s concern is that the money should

13 be the good use of OHV money and should be more focused

14 on OHV.

15 So OHVAG’s recommendation mirrors staff’s and

16 they did not recommend the BLM. So their recommendation

17 and staff’s recommendation is to fund the top seven

18 highest plus the Game and Fish.

19 MR. CHAIRMAN: And AORCC agreed with that and

20 added the BLM project?

21 MS. PULSIFER: And added the BLM.

22 MR. CHAIRMAN: That’s the only difference?

23 MS. PULSIFER: Exactly.

24 MR. CHAIRMAN: Any comments?

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1 MR. MARTYN: Mr. Chairman, if I might explain.

2 I want to thank Doris for working through all this and I

3 appreciate the Board. I think we’ve set this up

4 correctly now, and the fact that OHV came up with similar

5 -– as to the exact same pecking order, the top seven,

6 validates -- I think it validates the process.

7 As far as AORCC and what they’ve decided, there

8 was some input –- AORCC agreed and I do sit on the Board

9 of AORCC just so everybody knows. AORCC basically looked

10 at this and agreed that the top seven met the criteria,

11 also agreed that the $3,000 was good, which is actually

12 item number 9 based on the criteria. But I had a member

13 who explained item number 8 and the benefit relative to

14 the community, was a member of the OHV community as well,

15 and so the AORCC Board basically lowered the line down to

16 pulling the top nine.

17 The line is arbitrary. There is no -– we have

18 plenty of money in the fund and staff made a cut and it

19 is where it is, to make sure we fund good projects.

20 AORCC pulled in, just basically moved the line down

21 because they believe that this project is worth funding

22 today.

23 You as a body, have the ability to drop the

24 line or move the line or pull anything out that you want.

25 By statute you can do anything you want to do. Know that

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1 the AORCC recommendation, the addition, item number 8, if

2 it doesn’t get funded this time, I believe personally

3 that it has the ability to resubmit and possibly get

4 above the cut line next time.

5 So you can’t lose on this. I think we meet the

6 criteria of what the OHV community is looking for and I

7 think we’re well within the law and this is what we do

8 with OHV, and I’m pleased to say that we are meeting the

9 law because we went away from it for quite awhile and

10 we’re back in where we need to be.

11 I’m happy to answer any questions, Mr. Chair.

12 MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes?

13 MALE SPEAKER: Comment then based on that.

14 Your feeling is that the BLM project could come in at a

15 later date and possibly make the cut?

16 MR. MARTYN: Mr. Chairman, yes, I believe it

17 is. It’s whether you want to approve it now or do you

18 want to wait and approve it later. I think that’s kind

19 of where you are at, and you have the ability to do

20 whichever you like.

21 MALE SPEAKER: And Mr. Chairman, I guess my

22 thought on that is to stay with what OHVAG is

23 recommending to us as the funding body and go that route,

24 especially, you know, if they think we can bring that

25 project back in at a later date. Because that project is

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1 partially recreation or OHV is a segment of what that

2 project deals with, not totally OHV.

3 So my recommendation would be to go with what

4 OHVAG is recommending, and I read some of the comments

5 from their meeting and there was some feeling of that.

6 Also, Mr. Chairman, I’d like to ask one

7 additional question if I could.

8 MR. CHAIRMAN: Certainly.

9 MALE SPEAKER: Some of the funding in here goes

10 for route designation, which is not on-the-ground work,

11 and I know some of the members of OHVAG were concerned

12 about that as am I. And this is really just a point of

13 clarification.

14 But if BLM is not awarded those funds to do the

15 route designation, is it relatively unlikely that those

16 projects may move forward to actual trail development if

17 the routes aren’t initially designated, if we don’t

18 provide funding for designation?

19 MS. PULSIFER: If we don’t provide money for

20 designation, next time when they apply that it would –-

21 MALE SPAEAKER: No. I guess my question is,

22 that's the first step for the BLM to get into trail work,

23 off highway vehicle trail work, correct?

24 MS. PUSLIFER: Yes.

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1 MALE SPEAKER: And so that’s why they’re

2 putting in here for just off highway vehicle route

3 designation?

4 MS. PULSIFER: Yes.

5 MALE SPEAKER: Right?

6 MS. PULSIFER: Correct.

7 MALE SPEAKER: Okay. And I know some of the

8 OHVAG had concerns that we were spending money on

9 planning purposes rather than on-the-ground trail

10 development.

11 MS. PULSIFER: Well, on-the-ground trail

12 development is a higher priority.

13 MALE SPEAKER: Right.

14 MS. PULSIFER: Although some of these other

15 items are also priority in the States Trail Plan, they’re

16 just not as high of a priority, but they do qualify.

17 MALE SPAKER: I’m fine, Mr. Chairman.

18 MR. MARTYN: Mr. Chairman, thank you. Relative

19 to BLM, there’s no way to tell what’s going to happen to

20 BLM. You know that under sequestration, a lot of these

21 Federal agencies are cut. If there is no funding, I

22 would say it’s very far stretched to see that anything

23 will be done relative to a new project.

24 So that’s where -– if you don’t fund not,

25 probably not going to happen. That would be my guess.

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1 MR. CHAIRMAN: Any other questions from the

2 Board? Would anyone care to make a motion?

3 MALE SPEAKER: Mr. Chairman, I would move

4 option 1. I approve the OHVAG and review team funding

5 recommendations to fund the seven highest-scoring

6 projects totaling $778,563, plus funding for the Arizona

7 Game and Fish Department project for trail designation of

8 Alamo Lake for $3,000, for a total of eight projects in

9 the amount of $778,563 from the OHV recreation fund and

10 the RTP Fund, and direct the Executive Director or

11 Designee to execute the appropriate agreements.

12 MR. CHAIRMAN: Do we have a second?

13 MALE SPEAKER: Second.

14 MR. CHAIRMAN: Any further discussion?

15 FEMALE SPEAKER: I think I would just like to

16 say, on this one I think I’m going to abstain from the

17 vote. I think a number of these projects probably

18 implicate State Trust Lands, so I think it’s probably

19 just in the Board’s best interest that I don’t weigh in

20 on this one. So I’ll stay out of the vote.

21 MS. PULSIFER: Can I just add one thing? In

22 your motion, can you go ahead and include staff to

23 determine appropriate funding source? Because sometimes

24 depending on the project and the availability of the

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1 funding, and whether they need a vote or not, whether we

2 chose to use RTP money or OHV money.

3 MALE SPEAKER: Mr. Chairman, please allow me to

4 amend my motion to include staff to determine appropriate

5 funding source.

6 MALE SPEAKER: Second.

7 MR. CHAIRMAN: If there are no further

8 discussions, all in favor, indicate by saying aye.

9 (Chorus of “ayes.”)

10 MR. CHAIRMAN: Opposed? And I believe that

11 takes us pretty much to the end of our business. The

12 only other question is the time and place of the next

13 meeting, and if there’s any points, particular items that

14 the Board Members would like to put on the Agenda, the

15 question has arisen is, do we need a meeting in April or

16 not? And I don’t know. What’s your -– I don’t know from

17 a Legislation -– from a Legislative standpoint would be

18 the only reason I can think we may or may not. But I

19 guess we can call a special one if we needed to.

20 MR. MARTYN: Mr. Chairman, Board Members –-

21 MS. PULSIFER: We may have an item to be

22 forwarded in April, depending on the criteria -– may need

23 some changes to the criteria. In order to move forward

24 with our grant cycle, we may need the Board to approve

25 (indiscernible) grant material.

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1 MR. MARTYN: Mr. Chairman, if that’s the case,

2 we’ll have to do a telephonic. For a single item we do

3 have the option to do that. I would probably exercise

4 that. Other than that, within that telephonic meeting

5 I’d be happy to give an update. Then I can also give you

6 a legislative update via e-mail outside the confines of

7 the Board.

8 MR. CHAIRMAN: Why don’t we do that. Yes, go

9 ahead.

10 MALE SPEAKER: I was just going to suggest we

11 leave it on the calendar and then they can cancel it.

12 MR. CHAIRMAN: But with plenty of notice. And

13 then when do we want to go to Tonto?

14 MR. MARTYN: July.

15 MALE SPEAKER: June.

16 MR. MARTYN: June.

17 MALE SPEAKER: Mr. Chair?

18 MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes.

19 MALE SPEAKER: There’s no June meeting

20 scheduled at this time.

21 MR. MARTYN: Maybe in July.

22 MR. CHAIRMEN: Well, we’ll get back on that.

23 MALE SPEAKER: We can go in July because we

24 have a ’14 budget already approved by the Board. We just

25 don’t have it approved by the Legislature -- or

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1 “appropriated by” I should say, by the Legislature. A

2 little detail. But because we would be able to spend

3 money into the next fiscal year, because we approved the

4 ’14 budget.

5 So we could have it in July.

6 MR. CHAIRMAN: Okay. Well, we’ll make that

7 decision. I want to make sure you clear your calendars

8 for that one. We usually for the benefit of new Board

9 Members, go up the evening before, have a little BBQ and

10 enjoy ourselves.

11 FEMALE SPEAKER: Sounds great.

12 MR. CHAIRMAN: It is great.

13 FEMALE SPEAKER: I wish I would have done that

14 here actually, come down yesterday. This is gorgeous.

15 MALE SPEAKER: This is nice down here.

16 FEMALE SPEAKER: It is, it’s great.

17 MR. CHAIRMAN: Is there anything further? If

18 not, I entertain a motion to adjourn.

19 MALE SPEAKER: I move we adjourn.

20 MR. CHAIRMAN: Second? All in favor say aye.

21 (Chorus of “ayes.”)

22 MR. CHAIRMAN: Opposed?

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