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No. 58—Wednesday, August 11, 197IISravmta 20, 1893 (Saka)

C olumns Oral Answers to Questions— •Starred Questions Nos. 1681, 1683, 1684 and 1688 to 1695. 1—32 Written Answers to Questions— Starred Questions Nos. 1682, 1685 to 1687 and 1696 to 1710. ... 32-44 Unstarred Questions Nos. 7575 to 7774. ... 44-173 /?£*: Repatriation of Indian Embassy Staff from Dacca ... 174—75 Papers Laid on the Table ... 175—78 Committee on Absence of Members from Sittings of the House— Minutes ... J78—79 Message from R*jya Sabha 179 Conviction of Members— (Dr. Laxminarain Pandey and Sarvashri R. V. Bade and Mukhtiar Singh Malik) 179—82 Estimates Committee- Fourth Report and Minutes 182 Public Accounts Committe— Ninth Report 182—83 Bills Introduced— (i) Comptroller and Auditor General's (Duties, Powers and Conditions of Service) Bill 183 (ii) Lokpal and Lokayuktas Bill ... 183-84 Dj^cussicm Re. Sugar Policy ... 184-237 Shri Bibhuti Mishra ... 184—90 Shri D. K. Panda ... 191-94 Dr. Laxminarain Pandey ... 194—99 Shri K. N. Tiwary 199 Shri N. N. Pandey ... 199-204 Shri R. S. Pandey ... 204-05 Shri S. P. Bhattacharyya ... 205—06 Shri Shivaji Rao S. Deshmukh .. 207—09 Shri M. Ram Gopal Reddy .. 210—12 Shri C. Chittibabu .. 212-16 Shri Anand Singh .. 216—19

•The aigtt + marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question waa actually asked on the floor of the Houm by that Member.

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Columns Shri K. Suryanarayana ... 19—22 Shri H. M. Patel ... 222—24 Shri E. V. Vikhe Patil ... 224—27 Prof. S. L. Saksena ... 227—29 Shri Sher Singh ... 229—37 Prevention of Insults to National Honour Bill— Motion to consider ... 237-59 Shri Dasaratha Deb ... 238—42 Shri Rudra Pratap Singh ... 242—44 Shri Ramavatar Shastri ... 244-47 Shri Dhamankar ... 347—48 Shri Hukam Chand Kachwai .. 248—>1 Shri N. N. Pandey .. 251—52 Shri G. Viswanathan .. 253—55 Shri M. C. Daga .. 255—57 Shri P. K. Deo .. 257—59 Shri R. S. Pandey 259 Discussion Jte. Working of Nationalised Bank* .. 259—319 Shri Shyamnandan Mishra .. 25y—70 Shri Dinesh Chandra Goswami .. 270-72 Shri Somnath Chatterjee .. 272—78 Shri H. M. Patel .. 278—86 Shri Bhogendra Jha .. 286-92 ShriTha Kiruttinan .. 292—95 Shri Jagannathrao Joshi . 295—J00 Prof. Madhu Dandavate 500- 03 Prof. S. L. Saksena . 303—04 Shri Jaganath Rao . 304-05 Shri Yeshwantrao Chavan . 305—18 Halfon-Hour Discussion Re. Crash Programme for uned cated unemployed . 319-28 Shri N. N. Pandey . 319-21 Shri Sher Singh . 323-28 Discussion Re. Collapse of a Portion of Roof of Stee Melting Shop of Rourkela Steel Plant . 328—54 Shri J. B. Patnaik .. 328—33 Shri P. K. Deo . 333—36 §hri Sagoo Paqd«y 336-38 Shri S. S. Mohapatra . W ~ 4 4 Shri Swaran Singh Sokhi . 3*4-47 Shri O^jadhar Majhi . 347-48 Shri Mohan Kumaramaagalam . 348-54 T.OK SABH\ DEBATES

1 LOK SABHA a hartal in Shillong and later held a public meeting demanding that the evacuees staying outside the camps should be shifted to the camps. There was no support expressed to Wednesday, August 11, 197I(Sravano 20, the actions of the Pakistani rulers and no 1893 (Saka) Muslim businessmen were connected with the organisation of the hartal and the public meeting. (b) and (c). No, Sir. The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the Clock. (d) Does not arise.

(M r. Speaker in the Chair] SHRI SAMAR GUHA r Sir, I do not know whom am I no believe. The Chief ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS Minister of Meghalaya came to Delhi accompanied by two other Ministers. I Alleged Demonstration In Shillong in have been told by the Chief Ministers of Support of Yabya Regime in Bangla Meghalaya that he made specific requst to Desh the Government of Assam because the home affairs is not dealt by the Chief Minister of *1681. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will Meghalaya and also informed the Central the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be Government that one Mr. Sharif and other pleased to state : Mr. Nagi instigated the whole trouble there. It has appeared in the press also that they (a) whether a public demonstration, led raised slogans like Pakistan Zindabad’, by two Muslim Businessmen of Shillong in ’Yahya Zindabad’, ‘Mujib Murdabad', I co-operation with some local unsocial ele­ want to know whether the Government had ments, was held in Shillong on the 9th any such information from the Chief Minis­ June, 1971 in support of the Yahya regime ter of Meghalaya to the points that I have in fiangla Desh ; raised ? (b) whether slogans like ‘Pakistan Zindabad’, ‘Yahya Zindabad' ‘Mujib SHRI K. C. PANT : As I said in my Murdabad’, ‘Bengalis have no place in main reply according to the reports we Meghalaya’ ctc. were raised by the demons­ have received from the Governments of trators ; Assam and Meghalaya this is not the infor­ (c) whether the Meghalaya Government mation with us. had wfrad the Assam Government and the Central Government to arrest these two SHRI SAMAR GUHA: I want to persons and other demonstrators who are know whether it is a fact that in Shillong suspeted to be acting as agents of Pakistan; and other areas, particularly in Assam there and has been a lot of espionage by the Pakistani (d) if so, the action taken against these people who want to sabotage the activities demonstrators ? of the Liberation Army ? Whether the Government has come across such reports, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE if so, the steps taken by theGovernmeot. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI K. C% JPANT): (a) According to reports SHRI K. C. PANT : Actually the hon. received from the Governments of Assam Member is asking the question on the and Kfcgjyiftya oa 9Ui Ju n v 1971 - the assumption that his information it correct Tribal Youth Welfare Association organised but as I said 1 do not have that information 3 Oral Answers AUGUST 11, 1971 Oral Answers 4 with m e. There is a feeling that the Tribal SHRI TUNA ORAON : May I know Youth Welfare Association, which I have whether it h a fact that only non-Tribals mentioned in the main reply, organised this are given the chunce for giving talks ; if so, public meeting demanding that it will be why Tribals are not given a chance ? better if the evacuees stayed in the camp. This is at the root of their call for hartal in SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : this meeting. It it not a fact. We try our best to get artistes from among the Tribal people them­ SHRI H. M. PATEL : In view of the selves hut when it is not possible to get definite statement by Mr Guha that his anybody from any particular Tribal area or source of information was the Chief Minister Tribal dialect, we get some other people. of Meghalaya himself, would the Minister consider putting the fact again to the SHRI SUBODH HANSDA : West Government of Meghalaya and Assam ? Bengal and Bihar are densely populated by the Tribal people, mostly by the Santhals, MR. SPEAKER : This is reply from the the Mundas and the Oraoos. From the Government of Meghalaya and Assam. statement it appears that the broadcast from the Calcutta station is only for IS minutes and the frequency is only weekly. SHRI H. M. PATEL : It may be one At Ranchi also it appears that the duration thing from the Government but Shri Guha is 5 to 7 minutes in certain dialects. I says that his source is the Chief Minister. would like to know from the hon. Minister as to what purpose is served by giving only MR. SPEAKER : You are a very senior 5 to 7 minutes and IS minutes in a week for retired officer. Can you think that they broadcasts. are different ? SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : Tribal Programmes of A.I.R. Stat’ons The duration of programmes for the Santhal areas is very small, particularly *1683. SHRI TUNA ORAON : Will from the Calcutta and Ranchi stations. the Minister of INFORMATION AND Even though we want to increase the BROADCASTING be pleased to state : duration, it is not possible because there are (a) whether the Tribal Programme so many other dialects and those stations broadcast over different All India Radio have to cater to so many different types of Stations are presented for short duration and people. Still, we are trying to strengthen only once in a week ; and Ranchi, station and, I hope, we will be able to cater to the Saathal listeners (b) whether Government received any more. representation to increase the time and number of days for these programmes and, irapnn : sparer *r$tar, if so, whether this has been considered and accepted ? t *rr«w % Sr wtjrt THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE w n i f«P gffifrfcT «rrf**r arrftwf v MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND m arrfenrr smr: vflaHFfar snflr sjfcrf *f BROADCASTING (SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY) : (a) A statement giving «Trf ^rrcft | s r k arre iw q f l % information about special programmes for f«rfa«T toff Sr v*nf«r fair an% listeners in the Tribal areas which are broad­ cast from different stations of All India Radio is laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in Library, See No. LT—88/711. $ **rr sftr (b) Several suggestions to increase the duration and frequency of these programmes TO %HvS VtitVmt VT WSWSRTV have been received at different stations. Wherever time and resources permit, these suggestions have been accepted. This can *rwr *r sftrita be done on a bigger scale only when we are aMe to establish new stations especially for the tribal areas. W Twt ¥WE vWWt Oral Answers SRAVANA 20, 1893 (Sa KA) Oral Anxmrs

fa ff % fk&PTT ^TTT cTrfff 3*** srm 8tr ft$nc xftx # nw ff fa r $ ? i r v *m r, sTffcw SHRIMATI NANDI NI SATPATHY : arrftvrsw R ^f «rk This is about radio programmes. I do m sraragr ^ ft, **rr « rt not know what the hon. Member means by saying that special films should be made on ^fs*r> £*pff % ^rr sfhnw frnr% t o these people. ftw r | ? SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : § W V f TOpnxr : tJW *IT For Madhya Pradesh, we have it already in Rewa and Chatarpur and we purpose to— fa S’nfr ^nrr, though they are not specially meant for 3?r% t[>?t srrfe ^fVzft q r wt $*tt% tribal areas—to have programmes for the ft =| fo *r? *r??r>qgFrp | tribal areas from these stations. Along with that we are setting up stations in Jag- wh ft isfaq wt ?*r dalpur and Ambikapur. *r *jfrmr .. m*gr*w«rf*!T*rc : m : *?R?far Stft *ft ^ jfw 1 1 ?tf^nrr *.*■ ennr s m ar? wt% sftapft ^ 5t*IT l % f«r»n srT^nt ^ f V ^nrvR SHRI JAGANATH RAO : Jeypore is * Tft *n*m \ a satellite station and, at present, the coverage of these items is IS minutes. May g*r*T 9 «j*ts : sre* w I know from the Government whether they have got any programme to educate the ?t r a* Tf%*fr vrS*rnt i* «rr^ tribal people by holiing some discussions and talks by these tribal people so that a fa§pr % arfa^ a w *T?cT>f* sense of belonging could be created in sTfrer arcT% % wi^ «rr ftfflr m ft i i i them ? «rr^% u n fair $t?n f ^ SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY . Jeypore station caters to the tribal people of s*nr & ?rfr itaT t srwft f^^r ift srra Korapur district mainly. We have in the ?r> 5 ^ s^sr % *r f « r c Jr «fr i Fourth Plan the proposal to increase the transmitter power of Jeypore station from www : T^ft ffRT $re*r 10KW to 20 KW. Along with that, we want to make it a full-fledged station. $ spror ffcrr m ^«inr ft i Location of Headquarters of Electronics SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : Commission I do not know which Tribal programme tl e hon. Member has listened to and which *1684. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA ; Will Tribal dialect he understands. We are the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: having programmes for the Tribal areas but, as another hon. Member has pointed out, (a) whether the headquarters of the the programme is net sufficient. We have Electronics Commission and the Department got programmes to have radio stations in of Electronics wlii be located outside Delhi ; difibreat Tribal areas. In the Fourth Plan and we have got some programme. Also, (b) the Public Relations and Press we want to increase the radio stations Informations arrangements made by the and facilities to broadcast to these Tribal Electronic Commission ? areas. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS {SHRI *rw tw wfjfwrt t *r K C. PANT): (a) The headquarters of the Electronics Commission and the Depart- ift m tit v rP m fy ^ ft i ft I ment of Electronics are at Bombay and ftrcr *re* % srrefi % % f i fo r Delhi respectively. 7 Ora! Answers AUGUST 11, 1971 Oral Answers 8 (b) T be Public Relation and Press is the Director of the Tata Institute of Information work of the Electronics Com* Fundamental Research* an autonomous body mission is at present being looked after by which comes under the administrative juris- tbe various media units of the Ministry of dication of the Department of Atomic Information and Broadcasting. Energy *. But this is not a downgrading of it. If we have a very senior scientist to deal SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : In part (b) with this Commission, I think, it upgrades of the reply of the hon. Minister, he has it and gives it the necessary expertise. said that different units of the Information and Broadcasting Ministry are looking after SHRI SANJEEVI RAO : In view of it. May I know whether the Government the fact that research establishments and is going to appoint a separate senior Infor­ defence-oriented industries are located in mation Officer to look after this Department Bangalore and Hyderabad, will the hon. as well as the Science and Technology De­ Minister consider the question of shifting partment and the Atomic Energy Depart­ the headquarters from Bombay either to ment ? Hyderabad or Bangalore ?

SHRI K. C. PANT: In a sense, this is a SHRI K. C. PANT: There are cer­ suggestion for action. The three Depart­ tain advantages in locating the headquarters ments are functioning independently. At at Bombay. For one thing, Prof. Menon the moment, as the normal agencies of the who is the Chairman of this Commission Government which look after the publicity is also conducting his research work at the of other Departments, in the same manner, Tata Institute of Fundamental Rerearch this publicity is also being looked after by which is a major R. & D. institution in the the Ministry of Information and Broad­ country. Bombay has also a lot of electro­ casting. I have made a note of the sugges­ nic industries, not only Hyderabad and tion made by the hon. Member. Bangalore. Bombay also has computer faci­ lities, the largest in the country. These are RHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Is it not a some of the advantages of Bombay. 1 don’t fact that ons more Members of the Elec­ want for a moment try to detract from the tronics Commission are working with the importance of Bangalore or Hyderabad. Atomic Energy Commission in a subordi­ nate capacity and, if so, may I know SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : In view whether this new body is being downgraded of the great importance attached to the by this association with the other Commis­ development of electronics and the fact that sion ? this Commission has been set up very recently for the first time, may 1 know why MR. SPEAKER : You have asked uptodate no publicity materials has been about the location of the headquarters and put out to inform the public as to what not about the constitution of tbe Commission. this Commission has been undertaking or is But if he has got the information, I have going to undertake. No publicity material no objection is available

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER SHRI K. C PANT : If publicity is OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF lacking, I shall certainly convey it to the HOME AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF Commission so that they can make up the INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING lacuna. (SHRTMATf INDIRA GANDHI) : There is co common member between the Atomic SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: In your Enoqgy Commission and the Electronics orginat reply you have said that the public Commission. Professor M. G K. Menon, relations work and press information work Chairman of the Electronics Commission is being handled by the Ministry of Infor- ♦The original reply by the Prime Minister reads as follows : ‘The person who is the head of the Electronics Commission is also a Member of tbe Atomic Energy Commission., The reply as printed above was sent by the Prime Minister afterwards in substitution of the origina reply. Oral Answers SRAVaN \ .0, 1893 {SAKA) Ond Answers » maiion and not by the Commhsion directly. SHRI C. CHITT1BABU : What is the That is why I am asking you this ques- time limit ? tioo And now he is pa

Tariff Commission's Report on Price Structure issn S w JTTfTT of Rayon Synthetic Fabrics and Vara + *1688 SHRI C. CHITTIBABU : Will #1689. sft f«rg% f*W : the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be Trtrar am* tm n : pleased to state : spsrr sfrt srefTO ^ srtf* (a) whether Government have conside­ red the report of the Tarift Commission op PTT spTTt fa : the price structure or Rayon Synthetic Fabrics and Yarn ; and (^) srrft fafjK srk % (b) if so, the outcome thereof ? ercri % srfasFfaT srim w s t THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI I N. MISHRA) : (a) and (b). The report of the Tariff Commission on {&) w t iayon yam is a» fnal stage of consideration grmr I fa f a |R and Government's decision will be announ­ sfa % 5PT? Sr s fk ced very shortly. t o t ; sftr SHRI C. CHITTIBABU May I know, Sir, the important recommendations of the ( * ) fTT, eft «F«TT ?TC*PTT 9PT Tariff Commission in this regard and whether one of their recommendations was SrPft fagTC % iTtarjft tfiw t complete banning of imports ? wTfar qnc* t ? ^ R T STWTO3T 5 SHRI I . N. MISHRA : I cannot say as to what the recommendations of the (sft d « : (*) >ft5T5Tt % *TT*r- Tariff Commission are till the Government ?rrsEr qr^T $ tftar t f M r t f ^ t come to a decision. 1 1 SHRI C. CHITTIBABU : May I know (sr) vft, i smswqft % when the report of the Tariff Commission was submitted and the reasons for delay in % %-sr % f t f a f i r c m taking decision on the report ? % cTTT^ ^ 3TT 1 1

SHRI L. N. MISHRA : Sometime in (*t) ^ r r *pH sr«nrar July last it was submitted and we have to consult a number of Departments concerned, t * especially the Industries Ministry and the Ministry of Finance and some others also. fonjfir fa * : fa* ^ v f t Therefore, we had to take some time. Later *ns?r ^ "iwr ,*iw «rt fa if on, we had to send i* back to the Tariff m w m Commission because of the queries raised by them. tqjt | VT'fo w r s S3 Onri Answers AUGUST l], 1971 Oral Answers 12

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« M t fa ? : *r? rcsrr^fo: *fR??r- *ft 1^0 tt?To qft : T fR ^ #1^ $* % *fwt ftarT t 1 €t wrrf % ?f3Rfa| frm ^frrsr^r, fa fR srRft % %s® *pt «r*% sr^ r **rnr *ft f i w : *r«w sft, % ?ft w *5^ *nw lit fn, ww *HV *&?T fa srsFerpr 1 1 ^ t «ftwt iffa* nft^tr *t vfT |, *Ftf f^^im tftwft 5*t | y v i ?R? % «fto qst a ft# % ^ ft «R 5Trn% «FT fa*TR ^ T^|? ftronfc«FRftt, ^fa^ ^ *rfa ft, *rt wf w % ift^n, vftfa $—— fwfar* f grnm im??TTf fa w «r*ro aft $ftraf v t | ( w n m v^nsnr «PTvm ^ft«n:^f>»rtTt? % IWTT ft?TT I# %fa* #«TW% THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE w rrf % v t ff%«r art |w rt MINISTRY OP INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRIMATI NANDI* a n tr % m t jwr |> «wwtt w vft NISATPATHY) : W« H i t^ta)« tb Have | , fn% '% a high-jsower station at Oorak{mr and lamsti^ 13 Oral Answers SRAVAVA 20, 1893 (SAXA) Oml Answer* mi nary work has already been started THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER there and It may start functionirg by 1972- OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF 73. HOME AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI) : Up and Bihar are both backward and very big sw src* ^rsftr fwn'Vsr anrar States of India. I think that we should n f t f % * eft * * r ^ 1 1 s r f m . amicably see that both of them develop well. f wprcr *r$?rr ft— %x BROADCASTING be pleased to state : ^ frTTTT sffo *r o th t ^ (a) whether Government are considering the installation of a full-fledged Radio T M t I ? Station at Shillong ; and (b) if so, the capacity of the transmitter «ft vtH ftr f t r f : srrfcfa* ^ t ^ t t and when the new station will be sr^r Sr grTT^ % fa * srerifar fa * arra | ? opened ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE «> *TOT*ffR 5TT**ft : *ft MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRIMATI NANDINI | , 5*T vft»T tft ft^ T T 3 *^ T SIT* | SATPATHY) : (a) and (b) Thers is a radio sfa *r% sr^r % *mr*rn *r $ f 1 station at Shillong already. However, its studio facilities are limited and it has a low power transmitter. Work on the establish- «ft T O ftr : * *nrr*n: sr^r % ment of permanent studios with improved f? r* sw Tfrw fa ir srr% I , fe ? ft Sf ^ r T f facilities has been taken in hand and «iil be completed during the Fourth Plan JT fr^r i period. A proposal to set up a high power transmitter is under consideration. i t ® «it ® f?rwTtf : ^ wnr fcsr* $ I * 3TPTJTT 5TT?m know from the hon. Minister whether the Government of India are considering the f ft? % R % sprcr JTtfcr^ Sf w f question of paying special attention to the ^ «ror& i f t w j * *r gt ?ror*t tft arm speeding up of the setting up of a high power transmitting centre in Shillong with fsft »F^t antft | ... mote broadcasting hours so that the needs of th

ft® wr« B w rft : ^ s r e SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY: Government are quite aware of the situation im m ?t, ^ f t prevailing there in the eastern region. Keep­ « r w m $ , fa%n v t %* « possible and also to have facilities for 15 Oral Answers AUGUST 11, 1971 Oral Answers 16 broadc asting there. Now, it is having only tions. Suitable administrative measures are one transmission, and as soon as we have a being taken to strengthen the forces of law high power'transmitter there, we propose to and order in order to deal effectively with have three transmissions from the Shillong the violent and unlawful activities of anti­ station. social, criminal and extremist elements. Central Government are giving necessary SHRI N. TOVIBI SINGH: May I know assistance such as pooling of intelligence the total number of broadcasting hours from and additional police reinforcements and the present station there and also the equipment. At the same time the co­ language of broadcast ? May I also know operation of all political parties has been whether it is a fact that in areas there is sought to jointly oppose and resist murder predominance of the preaching of Western and terror. culture over that of the indigenous culture which is presented by the Garo and Khasi SHRI A. K SAHA : 1 would like to Hills... know from the hon. Member whether FIR has been lodged and eases have been started MR. SPEAKER : The main question in respect of all the incidents of murder and is about installation of a high power trans­ assault mentioned in the memorandum ; I mitter there. But the hon. Member has would also like to know the names of the gone too far out of the scope of it. I am persons who have been mentioned in the very sorry I cannot allow it. KIR as being responsible for these inci­ dents. Acttos on Memorandum Re : Police Atrocities in Burdwan District of SHRI K. C. PANT : In one case, West Bengal namely, the murder of Shri Arun Dutt, three persons were arrested and they were kept *1691. SHRI A K. SAHA : Will the in police custody pending further investi­ Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to gation. In the incidents involving Shri Anwar Hussain. Shri Bhabadish Roy Shri state: Lakshmi Chongdar and Shri Krishna Biswas, (a) whether Government’s attention has the wanted persons have been evading been drawn to a memorandum submitted by arrest. In the other cases, there are no defi­ Shri Samar Mukherjee and others to the nite clues regarding the identity of the cul­ Minister of State for Home Affairs about prits. Police investigations are continuing the Police atrocities and Police inaction in in all these cases. the District of Burdwan (West Bengal) on the lit June, 1971 ; SHRI A. K. SAHA : Is Government (b) whether a group of anti-social ele­ aware that the SP Burdwan and O. C. of ments of Burdwan, Masque-rading under the Burdwan Sadar Station are actively en­ name of Chatra Parishad and also holding couraging the anti-social elements and some position in the local Congress is be­ shielding the Congress goondas ? Will hind the murders which took place in Burd­ Government immediately take steps to wan ; and transfer them from their posts ? ( Interrup­ (c) if so, what action Government are tions), contemplating to take in the matter ? MR. SPEAKER : He should try to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE avoid using such words. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI K. C PANT) : (a) Yes, Sir. SHKI K. C. PANT : This is a highly (b) The allegation is baseless. The Poli­ provocative remark and if I were to reply tical party to which the authors of the in kind, this would be a fruitless question and answer. memorandum belong, indulges in slandering its opponents in this manner. SHRI KRISHNA HALDER : in ;the (c) Government are determined to end memorandum, specific cases were mentioned. the politics of murder and violence. Att Amongst them, 30 persons were murdfcred possible steps, preventive as wefl as penal, and one was stabbed. The memcrandam are being taken to restow normal coafdi- says that Krishna Biswas was stabbed on 17 Oral Answers SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) Oral Answers 18

6-4-1971 within 76 yards of the Burdwan MR. SPEAKER : Order, order. Sadar Police Station. In his dying declara­ tion made to the Magistrate, Shri Krishna Biswas mentioned the flames of his assai­ lants. But not a single one of them has i wt to | fo %0k 3#% yet been arrested. Shri Bhabadish Roy, Advocate, and main defence lawyer in the 3TTCT fcrr w srerrc irfa fa fw *fjtt ar^t ar? ^ t | ? SHRI KRISHNA HALOER : He was murdered by a gang of the Chatra Parishad ®rfc f t eft % R rq v n goondas. But as I said, not a single one ? ..(w rnrn)... of them has been arrested Is it because of political considerations that they were not spraresr TTft?nr, sppr sft tn - arrested ? ^rnr Tfr f i w m aft f*mr t

SHRI K. C. PANT : As I said earlier % srr* % 11 eft $ ^ to tt ^r^rr g fa in the incident involving Shri Krishna IFP 5T5T *ft ffPFfT $ ^RtflT TSTCfT Biswas, the wanted persons have been evad­ ing arrest. t sfk f^TT TK sfor % ^ gft anqrft ^ | ^ SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA • Why? fafossrr fw $ l?rr | ffr % st ?T^ eft T O % 1TR «T#Jr, ^rft SHRI K. C. PANT : There is a certain Climate in West Bengal which has got to ^ fatft $ wr ?.,,(wwr- be kept in mind when my hon friend asks t o ) .. the question 'Why Theie is an atmos- pheie of terrot and the extent of co­ operation that is normally extended to the WWW : sp^rrqr 5ft, ^r^T police in such matters by the civil popu­ ^ ^TT I lation is not easily forthcoming in those conditions. Secondly, the police are heavily overburdened, and that is why we are mak­ SHRI DASARATHA DEB : Sir, it is ing all out efforts together to create condi­ an important question. In the memoranda, tions ip which peace is restored, normal the names of the murdered persons have conditions are brought back so that the been specifically mentioned. How can the politics of murder and violence is no longer Minister say that the political party to part of the scene of West Bengal. Then which the authors of the memoranda belong these matters can be dealt with more nor­ indulge in slandering its opponents ? mally. MR. SPEAKER: Do not speak with- SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY: out my permission. Sir, this reminds me of the Telugu prove**, Mogudu Namu Mcxhe : that is, a woman SHRI DASARATHA DEB: The has beaten her hatband and then started Minister is making an allegation against ahotttlag tha* her husband has beaten her. Similarly, the CPM people are killing cer­ us. The names are mentioned there. tain people and shouting that they are being killed. I want to know whether the Minister MR. SPEAKER : Order, order. Next *gfee* with wy vipwf. question. 19 O ntf Answers AUGUST 11, 1971 Oral Answers 70

Boo on Import of U.S, Films Depicting u» the steps the Government we taking to Sex, Violence and Crimea stop it ?

•169 2. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : SHRI L. N. MISHRA : So far as the Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be Central Board of Film Cemores is con­ pleased to state: cerned, it is working under the Ministry of (a) whether a large number of U.S. I & B As for the suggestion of the hon. films glorifying sex, violence and crime are Member, I will pass it on to the Board. being imported into India every year ; and About the import of films from America, (b) whether there is any proposal to ban it was discussed in this House only a few the import of such films into the country ? days back, and I had stated that the agree­ ment had expired on the 30th June. We THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN aie not going to revive it. But we will TRADE (SHRI L. N. MISHRA): (a) have some import from the USA also, and and (b). No, Sir. Under the Cinemato­ the point raised by the hon. Member can graph Act of 1952 no film can be exhibited be taken into consideration. I will pass it publicity without obtaining a certificate from on to the Central Board of Film Censors the Central Board of Film Censors. The also. Board takes particular 'care to ensure that films which offend against decency, and morality as well as public order are not shown to the public. In view of this the | far *r«rrfa?r % sprrsw question does not arise. faxrH srcrc *nrr?r*f t

SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : In view of the fact that recently in the Nargar- wala bank robbery case, one of the accused said to the police that he was inspired by w«wr STFT SNR I seeing foreign films of crime, and several such instances happen in our country,—and ’ sjtf : !RT *T$ SW % f a in view also of the fact that these films are instigate the people or inspiring or inciting the people to commit crimes may I know sfr? % ffPPt m &ZX %fin? 3TTcft I ^ whether the Government would take appro­ priate measures to stop the import of such TRHT $?TT |. . . films ? ■Hwrar ^ ift SHRI L. N. MISHRA: I have said that there is a Central Board of Film Cen­ i wre ftrfte ^ 1 1 sors. Before we import any film and before it is exhibited, it is first passed by the sw* # wr Central Board of Film Censors. Then 7 $ t % i | alone can it b* exhibited publicly in the country. jt# 1 1 1 % *tns% | f a >r ?t t $ i SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: Sir, do you think the answer is satisfactory. I *S ftp # ft**r ftrSra v r m * % do not understand. Tney have the regula­ tions, and under those regulations, the films are exhibited and those films are inspiring ftp ffft wtffmm w m r «rr— the people to commit crimes. I am asking i m n t % tfm whether the Government would rcconsider it and ban such films. Secondly, may 1 know whether the sit w r t r * r t s S t y s Government is aware of the fact that so % fa w n * * 1% t , f a m t many blue films imported from the U.S.A, are being exhibited in India, and if so, «hat tfrrft faa# uutftw in tit $, iftt 21 Ortd Answers SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) Oral Answers 22 fip flsfr f*rr^ ,crRft assure him that I shall ask the Ministry of Information and Broadcasting to take note f — I* wsr *raf of the point raised by the bon. Member. jpfr *r^r >rfar«r $ fa w ^ ? SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : May I know «ft o tpro f»W7 : « r a ^ tft, whether the hon Minister is aware that the uncensored version of the films which had cnp M ?r *farair irr spr §*rro Mwr won Academy Awards were shown to Mem­ ^r^rwr v s w Sr | fa ft? # *?rft- bers of Parliament—we have all seen them, indulging Mr. Samar Guha—but that the f *rfh f a # N t f i 'for same films are being shown to the people srptppt w m f% *PFrHr*Tw 'pfa after censoring ? Why this discrimination ? % f^rrr ^ rrft fa*if if?r «** Srerr «rr sftr THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER fsr ^ t;trr?T §rt «r i OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF «f§t t fa s f a anft $t snptft $m v m * INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING %^r ^ wt?t % spnrt fa?3 w ffi *nft (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI) : It was shown specially for the MPs. OT«ft fac*r ?ft t o t 1 1 sft TOffr fffa *ft ^ 30 ^ *>> *T*rnr SHRI G. VISHWANATHAN : Such * t t ■ violence and crime are not the monopoly of English films, they are in the Indian 3Tft ?PP fo?*rf WlftrfV f t 1 RT (, films also, Is the Minister aware of the Tmpfrir fTETW % ig^KTT Sf *TRrf?^?T imvPET demand from the film industry that there should not be a total ban on the import of f t ftra s T ^ r t ^rfa^r ^ sttw ip : k 134ft % American films, and if so, what is the f?nrrc 'tt f e wsft 1 1 reaction of the Government ? SHRI DINESH CHANDRA GOS- WAM1: In view of the fact that these SHRI L. N. MISHRA : We are not putting a total ban. The terms and condi­ Films are very adversely affecting the entire tions of the agreement have to be negotiat­ way of life of our youth, will the Govern­ ed. The old agreement has expired on the ment take steps to charge the guide-lines 30th June. We have not revived it. We regarding the censor policy ? have to have a new agreement on the coe­ dition that Americans are prepared to pur­ SHRI L. N. MISHRA : My Ministry chase our films. it not concerned with the guide-lines. I can only give the same answer, that I will pass it on to the Censor Board and the Decline in Exports of Textiles and Plan Ministry of Information and Broadcasting. to Modernise Exporting Mills

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Is it a fact *1693. SHRI DINESH JOARDER : Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be that at the Central Advisory Committee pleased to state ; «m«*% held in 1968 the Vice-Chancellors of the different Universities almost unani­ (a) whether our exports of cotton tex­ mously laid that one of the moat important tiles are likely to decline from 1972; factor* contributing to violence on the part (b) if so, the reasons therefor; of tbe students is the vulgarised films parti­ (c) whether Government have any plan cularly from the United States, and if so, to modernise the exporting mills with the may I know whether die Government will latest machinery in order to enable to try to restrict tbese films so as to save our compete in the international markets ; and smith?

(b) D oes not arise. correct to say that the Planning Commis­ (c) Yea, Sir. sion has turned down any of our schemes for modernisation of our mitts. As (d) Import of sophisticated textile a matter of fact, the Planning Commission machinery by exporting mills has been liberalised. is very much interested in the modernisation of our textile mills. There are some pro­ posals for import of certain sophisticated SHRI DINESH JOARDER : In spite machinery in the Fourth Plan. The prob­ of the assurance given by the Minister that lem of retrenchment is dealt with by the there will be no decline in the export of Labour Ministry, but I can assure the House cotton textiles in the eoming year, there is that there need be no apprehension as sitiU an apprehension that in view of the regards the fate of Labour as a result of recent international realignment of the modernisation. world powers and also the recent policies that have declared by the British Govern­ SHRI DINESH JOARDER: Instead ment to safe-guard the interests of the of giving financial support to the mill- Manchester group of textile industry, it is owners to modernise their mills, why cannot very likely that the export of textiles from the National Textile Corporation take over our country may decline, Further, as re­ the closed mills and run them ? gards modernisation, is it not a fact that the Planning Commission turned down a proposal of the Foreign Trade Ministry to SHRI L. N. MISHRA : 27 mills have modernise the exporting mills and this news been taken over by the National Textile was leaked out to the textile mill owners in Corporation and they are improving their order to bring pressure on the Planning working. We have also a plan to moder­ Commission and get the policy of the nise them. When they are modernised with Government amended in their favour ? Is sophisticated machinery, it is not our inten­ it also not a fact that during the Nineteen tion to return them to the old owners ; fifties when the textile mills were permitted they will be run as units in the public to install automatic looms for boosting ex­ sector. ports, some of the mills which were produc­ ing only for domestic consumption introduc­ SHRI JAGANATH RAO : I cannot ed the automatic looms, resulting in large- understand the Minister when he says that scale retrenchment in textile mills, throwing there is no prospect of fall in export of tex­ thousands of workers out of job and broke tile in 1972. May I point out that the down the competitive capacity of the small textile exports have already declined from units which were ultimately closed down as 22 to 17 per cent last year ? they become uneconomic, so, I want to know... MR. SPEAKER: Why can he not put the question straight ? MR. SPEAKER: He is making a speech instead of asking a question. SHRI JAOANATH RAO: Now United Kingdom have given notice of can­ SHRI DINESH JOARDER: So, 1 celling the preference. Still, the Minister, want to know whether the hon. Minister seems to be optimistic. 1 want to know will take into consideration ail these factors the reasons for the optimism of the Minis­ before allowing the mills to go in for ter. Even before the withdrawal of the modernisation. preference the export has gone down to 17 per cent from 22 per cent. SHRI L» N. MISHRA: The mills h§ve to be modernised if we want our ex­ SHRI L. N. MISHRA: The export pert trade to survive, We set up a com­ figures for the last few years art Rs. 50 mittee under the chairmanship of the Textile crores, Rs. 82 crores, Rs. 95 owes and Commissioner and that committee made Rs. 104 crores and for the current year recommendations wtych involve foreign Rs, 46 crores so far. We are developing exchange to the tune of Rs. 20 crores. We new markets for export of textftft* Bat are in touch with the Ministry of Finance that cast be done only if we m odels* our and the Planning Commission. It is flot textile mttts! So far as teftnfetftkm notice 7$ Oral Answm SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) Oral Answers by UK is concerned. This is a question which was discussed here. We will be able i art w 3 w f r fs r fr to get some few other markets under the a r t e ?r against the support prices 209 qnc i of Rs 1,300 or Rs. 1,400 per bale the ruling price is Rs. 3,600 per bale Naturally, it (ii) i i f adds to our cost of production z m sr%5T % ^Tf farm fr faRret w ^ r s ^ r 17f t s m f a r *r^t *rr?rr Communication Facilities in Eastern U P. sncTT fa *nTT-'T£?T TT *1694 SHRI K. C. PANDEY Will fr I I tne Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state (*r) src* ^t rft a a r r i erorrfa (a) whether inadequate communication fsreft fr 4 %5fa>>r tjr^rtar, 40 qifa ffo facilities available in the Eastern Districts of Uttar Pradesh impede the development fyfogto * r k 68 crr^rc sftafrw of the region ; and s t r t r 1 1 (b) if so, the special steps which are being taken m this direction ? «r«ff fr v * f W t fr ’rfr ^ anfr «n$r w m w it («ft £«w?ft sffp rr): srarrffra ^ r ffrw w -Il fr (* ) fr w w w «w f a r r m % fafr snrr-issr «n: tot arr gfasrrrr sm fa r ?rft i

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V * q t l •ft $ r o f t n r ^ j p r r : oft wt, fiwr yff swr srfcr roainff ^ rg ^fg r % f*nrr v tf apnr fftarr 1 1 w n w 1 1 ®r?t *t*K*r srr^ iftt * m r * t vtarwr f m 14-14 Facilities to National Political Parties to propagate their View-polnts over T.V. «ffc 22-22 *tor * ?ik era % ftrcr mfrflwwre *r% $, tft *f g^prr « ^ tt g *1695. SHRI N E HORO : Will fajftaffc *fk«5T 5TT?JT »rf$ snrfo? the Minister of INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING be pleated to state : *F?ft ^HTT faWT 'T^cTF I 5t) w TfflfY fa) whether there is any proposal under * $ m % tfHV 5 rr^ *Rft % fsn? Government’s consideration to allow the National Political °arties to place thdr ^TT% ^ft fTT VT* ? view-points before the public through the Television facilities ; and «ft j«Wlft **** i f p n : *TT«m, (b) if so, the main features thereof ? *w ** ft^r v t $ warf?( ^r?: sr^r % ^ ff fawf *f ?f^TT q p F m ^ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND qrrir ^ fftsrfara | eft 3*r% faq; *TR?far BROADCASTING (SHRIMATI NANDINI ?TT?q- aptf W * S* eft S?T Ff % *j*Fra§r, w tfa q«rcftq 3 other programmes do report and reflect the fatr* qftfMraT Tf?ft $, ssfsnj v k varying Political views in our countiy. sr^rc § f w q * * * r «rfof f t w ft a r SHRI N. E. HORO : The Government frffo ufa ft, ?ft 33% a rc ^ w t in their reply say that they are keeping an open mind on the question of allocation of f**rre $ ? time on the AIR and television. I would like to know why Government is afraid of •ft wi*i *Tf5^n: 3ft «r, immediately allowing the national parties to utilise the media of AIR and television. OTftr % Star s v % fara* i*T q#- The Government’s reply seems to be 'No* $nff & frwri^wr qiftnrtffe % -frm in a roundabout way. 1 want the Govern­ ment to allow time to the national parties | q«F aft^w few | fW on the AIR and television. «mr | fa q$i*t fsrrvf* art |*nrr SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : *rW $ sk, frtr *twt% HTft Government is not at all afraid of allowing m *$ 3*nft w m l * §fa*m$ political parties to have their say on tele­ vision and AIR ; on the other hand, before % *frf % fa* r $taT * t%tt i the last election and before that also, before *f«fcpr qr nrwrc fa*rr * t ^ r 1 1 the last to the last general election, there was a proposal for the political parties to f i ' n ^ W I : fT^T^^Kf V have their say on the radio, bat because they could not come to at) agreement, it o n Hwjt fa*T WT H3p I ? could not materialise. 31 OrtA Answers AUGUST 11, 1*71 W fittm Answers 31

SHRI P1LOO MODY : What was the the same facilities as lire given to the ruling difference of opinion ? party.

SHRIMATI NANDINI SATPATHY : THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER There were a number of things. You know OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF about them. 1 think, this has been dis­ HOME AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF cussed in this House a number of time. INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING {Interruption). (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI) : There Then, he wanted to know whether ue is no question of any facility on the tele­ vision being given to the ruling party. are having it now, at this moment. As 1 have replied in my answer, even now we MR. SPEAKER : The Question Hour are having through our different programmes is over. the views of different political p.rties pro­ jected on the Ail India Radio as well as on television. If the hon. Member is following the programmes of AIR and TV, WRllTfcN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS he must have seen that through different commentaries, discussions and other pro­ United Nation* Development Programme grammes the views of different political to provide Training to Administrators parties are projected. and Non-Officials Business Executives

SHRI N. E. HORO : The hon Mims- *1682. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : ter has said that the political parties could SHRI M. M. JOSEPH : not agree on their utilising these media. Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE Will Government consider consulting the be pleased to state : leaders of political parties and, if there are difficulties before the Government, will they (a) whether the United Nations Develop­ try to remove them through consultations ,} ment Programme has announced a scheme to provide training and ad\isory services to administrators and non-official business SHRIMATI NANDINI SA TPA TH Y : executives nominated by developing countries As I have already said we had consul'a- thereby enabling them to derive ftill advan­ tkrns with leaders of different political tage of the centralised system of preferences parties and, as I have already stud in my and has earmaked $ 1,114,900 and 560 reply, Government has got an open mind. Fellowships ; and We are reply to have discussions with the leaders of the different political parties. (b) if so, whether Government have decided to avail of this offer ?

SHRI R V. SW AM lNtH^N Aris­ THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE ing from the answer &i\en by the hon. MINISTRY OF F OREIGN TRADE (SHRI Minister, may I ask the Minister whether A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b). The U.N.D.P. the Government will consider the proposal is drawing up a global programme to to keep politics and political parties afway enable the developing countries to take from TV at least ? advantage of the concessions available under the recently introduced Generalised Scheme SHRIMATI NANDINI SAlPATHY: of Preferences The programme, which is It is a suggestion for consideration of three years duration envisages : (i) visits by an Explanatory Mission SHRI G, V1SHWANAIHAN . 1 do to developing countries ; and not mind the ruling put ty having the faci­ (ii) arranging of stHdy^sentluars to lity of TV and radio provided that the educate the offiqials/ncaninees from facility is also given to the Opposition developing countries. parties. The Minister has said that the arrangement has already failed, i want to The total cost of the world-wide project know whether Government will take the for the three years period is US $ 1,114,900, irritlttfve again and see that ad agreement Hie total number of IWtowsMpe available ft a-rived at so that others also are gpven to all the member-countries has n$t been 33 Written Answers SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) Written Auwars 34 spe cified but each country including India Shri Barkalitllah Khan, Chief MhUster of will be expected to depute only three parti­ Rqasthan and was addressed among others cipants. br Shri Mohd. Shafi Quraishi, Union Deputy The selection of candidates for the Minister of Railways. Shri Chtfldrjtjeet proposed seminars will be taken in hand Yadav, General Secretary of the AU India after die complete details about the study Congress Committee and Shrimati SubharfC* seminars, e.g venue, date and period of Joshi, M. P. training, course contents etc. are received (c) The convention is reported to have from UNDP. adopted a number of resolutions inttr alia. (i) warning the people to remain Alleged Imposition of ban by Tripura vigilant in respect tit attempts Government on Bangla Desh made by certain communal eTetnents Evacuees to exploit the situation arising out of developments In BangTa Derfh *1685. SHRI R. BALAKRISHNA and to create doubts and suspicion PILLAI : Will the Minister of HOME between Hindus and Muslims ; AFFAIRS be pleased to state : (ii) demanding removal of the Jana (a) whether any baa has been imposed Sangh from the National Integra­ by the Tripura Government on the partici­ tion Council; pation of evacuecs from Bangla Desh in (iii) urging the Government to impose a any meeting or procession under the ban on the R. S. S. S. and the Security Act ; and Jamat-e-Islami and (b) if so, the reasons therefor ? (iv) condemning the alleged communal attitude that the Jana Sangh has THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE exhibited in Delhi. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI K. C. PANT) : (a) and v«- (&&RI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (*) Yes coming situations where project* wer* W tip for want of resources, new inwttttfeas, p>) TheoMWfotfcw m by swh «» ft P w to fm m 35 Written Answers AUGUST II, 1971 Written Answers 36

Banks should be established, for financing Plan to Improve Trade Relations with big State or inter-State projects. Afghanistan and Burma

(b) After then State Administrators *1697. SI-IRI DINEN BHATTA- participating in the meeting had expressed CHARYYA Will the Minister of their general views, following two spec;fic FOREIGN TRADE be pleased to state : \.. subjects were discussed : (a) whether Government have any plan (i) Centre-State relations to improve the trade relations wit!) Afgha- (ii) Unemployment problem. nistan and Burma ; (b) whether Government have examined No decisions were arrived at as the the proposal for the airlifting of Indian object of the informal meeting was only to goods to Afghanistan at concessional rates ; identify areas \vhere new orientation was needed during the mid-term appraisal of the and Fourth Plan and preparatory work of the (c) if so, the p.uticulars thereof ? Fifth Plan. THE MINISTER Of7 FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI L. N. MISHRA) : (a) \ Licensing of New Units and Expansion of India's trade relations with Afghanistan and Existing Unit~ in Man-made Fibre Rurma have all along been good. We Industry have entered into a Trade Agreement with Rurma and a Trade Agreement with Afgha- *1696. SHRI JADEJA: nistan. Om exports to these countries SHRI DEVINDER SINGH have been continuously on the increase. GARCHA: Afghanistan's imports from India have increased from Rs. 7 crores in 1967-68 to Wlll the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE over Rs. 11 crore~ in 1969-70. During the be pleased to state : same period, India's exports to Burma were (a) whether Government propose to about Rs. 4 crores and Rs. 21 crores respec- issue more licences for new units as well as tively. for the expansion of the existing ones to (h) and (c). The question of airlifting step up production in the man-made fibre goods between India and Afghanistan at industry ; concessional rates was examined, but the (b) if so. the number of licences to be arrangement was not found feasible at issued in Gujarat State ; and present. (c) the number of existing industries in Gujarat for which permission to expand 'llT~Cf ij ~ ttif 'tTfCfi~Cff"fT ~tef:;j'~ ;.. their industry would be granted '? •:d 6 9 8 . ?;Jf ~') o q') o li'TG'Cf : 'fl:fT IJQ THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN +f-;ft ;lh in Gujarat : Baroda Rayons for >:xpanding their ('9)

STATEMENT Country-wise export (Qty . and Value) o f roofiing tiles during 1968-69 to 1970-71 (,upto January, 1971).

Qty. in lakhs Nos. Value m lakhs Rs.

1970-71 Country 1968-69 ______1969-70 ______(upto Jan. 71) Qty. Val. Qty. Val. Qty. Val. Ceylon — — 2.40 .47 — — Muscut — — .71 .34 — — Kuwait — — .24 .07 1.63 .67 Nepal .21 .04 1.30 .30 .50 .10 Singapore 144 .35 2.41 60 .41 .11 Sudan — — - — .90 .14 Tanzania .11 .04 1.86 28 — — Republic „ Others . — 35 .11 — — & Answer* AUGUST 11, 1971 Wmen Answers 40

Revival ««d Taking over of Sfck Mills by have unearthed a Pakistani plan to infiltrate Mfcttatfll Textile Corporation trained Mujahids mto the border areas of Jatsalmer and Banner Districts ; *1701. SHRI A. K. GOPALAN : Will (b) if so, whether three such infiltrators tirn Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be have been arrested in the Nacbna Station Ifaw d to slate t area of Jaisalmer District; and (a) the amount set apart by the National (c) if so, what steps have been taken by Textile Corporation to revive sick milk in Government to help the State Government the current year; in this regard ? (b) how many milfe had been taken over and what is the amount spent ; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND (C) whether any mills have been taken IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL over in Kerala ? (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) to THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN (c). No, Sir. However, such a possibility TRADE (SHRI L. N. MISHRA) : (a) cannot be discounted. The Border Security Rs. 332.07 lakhs. Force and the State authorities are fully alive to the needs of the situation and are (b) 28 cotton textile mills. The National exercising adequate vigilance over the border Textile Corporation and the Central Govern­ areas. Close and continuous liasion is ment have so far advanced loans amounting being maintained among all the States and to Rs. 617.55 lakhs and 175X0 lakhs respec­ Central authorities concerned with the secu­ tively to these mills. rity of this area. (cfr No, Sir. Murder of Government Employees in Wtadlag of S.T.C. Subsidiary in Canada District Birbbam (West Bengal)

•1702. SHRI D. N. MAHATA : Will *1704. SHRI GADADHAR SHAH : the Mi*feter of FOREIGN TRADE be Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : pleased to state : (a) whether the State Trading Corpora­ (a) whether Government are aware of tion has decided to wind np the subsidiary the recent murder of some Government in Canada ; employees in tbe District of Birbhum (West (b) the source of capital in foreign Bengal) ; exchange for this subsidiary in North (b) whether any enquiry was made into America ; and i t ; and (c) if so, the findings thereof ? (c) how the subsidiary Company will be voluntarily liquidated without additional THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE financial obligation in foreign exchange on MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI the State Trading Corporation ? K. C. PANT) : (a) The State Government of West Bengal have reported that during THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN month of May and June five State Govern­ TRADE (SHRI L. N. MISHRA): (a) Yes, ment servants have been killed in Birbhum Sir. District. (b) Rimittance from India. (b) and (c). Cases have been registered (c) By further remittances of foreign and the under investigation. Government exchange, if neccssary. are keeping a close watch on the law and order situation in Birbhum district. In Arrest ofMaJaMds in Nacbna Station Area view of the number of incidents of gun- of Jaimkncr District (Rajasthan) snatching, murder and lawlessness which 1703* SHRI S. M. KRISHNA : took place in Birbhum district* the State SHRI PHOOL CHAND Administration obtained the assistance of the Army to cordon off areas to undertake VERMA ; intensive searches and to apptthend Naxa* Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS lites and other antisocial elements in the fcft pleased to state* district. All possible steps ate being taken (a) whether the Rgjastfaan Government to owb violent activities* 41 WrUm Answers SRAVANA 20. 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 42

* * A ettwrtsed Setters of Potassium Chlorate (c) the amount of Government loans hi West Bengal outstanding against this mill and whether there are allegations of financial irregulari­ *1705. SHRI PR1VA RANJAN DAS ties and mismanagement against the mill ; MUNSI : Will the Minister of HOME and AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (d) if so, whether any enquiry has (a) the number of authorised sellers of been, or is going to be, held into the affairs Potassium Chlorate in West Bengal ; of the mill ? (b) whether any enquiry has been made in regard to the quantity of their actual THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN TRA­ sate; DE (SHRI L. N. MISHRA): (a) to (d). The (c) whether the sale of Potassium management of National Company is under­ Chlorate in Bihar, Orissa and West Bengal stood to have issued a notice of closure in can be banned for some period ; and June, 1971 on the grounds that economic working of the mill had been rendered (d) if so, what steps are proposed to difficult by persistent and frequent use of be taken by Government to check the over* coersive tactics and other acts of indiscip* flow of Potassium Chlorate in those States ? line by supervisors staff and workers. THB MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 2. Government have not granted any MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND loan to this Mill. IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL 3. Information regarding financial (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) The irregularities and mismanagement and enqu­ required information is being collected from iry into the affairs of mill is being collected the Government of West Bengal and will be and will be laid on the Table of the House. laid on the Table of the House on receipt. (b) to (d). Licensed dealers and required Classification of Detenus Kept in Jails hi to submit periodical returns of their stocks, West Bengal Under P. V. A. Act sates, etc to the licensing authority. The stocks and records of the dealers are al&o *1707. SHRI SARQJ MUKHERJEE : periodically checked. Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be As this chemical is an essential require­ pleased to state : ment for the match and textile industries, (a) whether alt the detenus kept under a total ban on its sale will lead to disloca­ the Prevention of Violent Activities Act in tion of these industries, particularly the different jails of West Bengal, have been match industry, which gives employment to classified as Division II under trial priso­ a large number of people. ners ; However* a number of measures have (b) if so, the reasons therefor ; and been taken to exercise stricter *atch on the (c) the reasons why the State Govern­ sale, distribution as well as transport of ment of West Bengal are refusing to consider potassium chlorate and further measures are them as Group C detenus and give all the contemplated It is hoped that when all facilities which the detenus under the Pre­ these measures are fully implemented, lea* ventive Detention Act had been getting ? kfcge of potassium chlorate wiH have been efffcwively checked. THB MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Notice of Closure by National Jute MiH* K. C. PANT) : (a) to (c). Facts are beta* SankraU (West Bengal) ascertained from the State Government.

*1706, SHRI tNDRAJIT GUPTA : Will Alleged Attack by a Gang of Hooligan* on the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be the Area Bound by Cbitpar Road pfetttrf to st»te: Etc. In Calcutta (a) fctotothor the management of the National J m Mill, Sflnkrail, West S e « l *1708, SHRI S. P, HHATTA* M l recently **sued * ttotlce ofefoftote ; CHARYYA : Witt the Minister of HGMfi

Calcutta a gang of hired hooligans armed order situation, army units are stationed at to the teeth launched a barbarous attack on suitable places to enable them to go to the the area bound by Chitpur Road in the assistance of civil authorities whenever West, Chittranjan Avenue in the East, Grey required. Street in the South and Shambazar Street (c) No, Sir. '· in the North and whether during this attack the C. R. P. units fired more than 200 (d) Does not arise. rounds and the gang of hoodlums hurled more than 300 bombs ; and Proposed Strike in Cotton Textile Mllls (b) if so, the name of persons who led of Maharashtra the gang and what action Government have taken against him and these hooligans ? *1710. SHRI RAJA KULKARNI: Will the Minist~r of FOREIGN TRADE be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE pleased to state : (a) whether he is aware that nearly 3 MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI '1 K. C. PANT) : (a). On 4th July, 1971, lakhs of Cotton Textile Workers in Bombay J there was a clash between supporters suspec- and Maharashtra, organised u .. der the ted to belong to CPI (M) and CPI (ML) in Indian National Trade Union Congress, - this area and both groups used bombs and have decided to go on one day token strike pipeguns. When police and Central Reserve on the 30th August to record their protest Police arrived at the scene of disturbance, against Government's indecision and negli- they were attacked. The police and Central gence in taking effective legal measures Reserve Police opened fire, to disperse the for early takeover of closed and mismanaged riotous mob. Both the polire and Central mills; and Reserve Police fired forty nine rounds of (b) if so, what do Government intend ammunition. Two persons received gun shot to do to avoid the proposed strike in the injuries. One of them, namely Pranab Basu Cotton Mills of Maharashtra ? Mallick succumbed to his injuries. (b). Cases under sections 148/149 THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN 307/427, IPC, sections 3 & 5 of Explosive TRADE (SHAI L. N. MISHRA) : (a) No Substances Act and sections 27 of Arms Act official intimation has been received by have been registered and eight persons have, Government regarding the strike. so far, been arrested in this connection. (b) Does not arise.

Army Camped in Botanical Gardens, Transfer of Officers in Punjab / ,_ ' Howrab (West Bengal) 7575. SHRI B. S. BHAURA : *1709. SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE SHRI MUHAMMED Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be --- SHERIFF : pleased to state : Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased (a) whether the Army which had been camped in the Botanical Gardens, Howrah to state : (West Bengal) before the last mid-term elec- (a) whether the Government of Punjab tions continues to be there even now ; have transferred Class I Officers after the dissolution of the Punjab Vidhan Sabha (b) if so, the reasons therefor ; and, if so, the number of such transfers ; (c) whether the research work is on a and standstill in the Botanical Gardens due to (b) the reasons therefor ? the activities of the Army ; and l' (d) if so, whether Government are consi- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE dering to withdraw the Army from the MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND ,-.. Botanical Gardens ? IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON- NEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) Yes, Sir. 133 Class I Officers of the MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Government of Punjab were transferred K. C. PANT) : (a). Yes, Sir. after the dissolution of the Punjab Vidhan (b) In view of the prevailing law and Sabha. ... 45 Written Answers SRAVANA 20. 1893 (&4JM) Written Answers 46

(b) T hese transfers have been made on % srfafoRT ft**- administrative grounds. ^ *■» _ ^ _«v t . #V ■■ m lW ifWfMfci ^nTT/VTWiTT *FT w Alleged Atrocities by Bitrari Muslins on ^ *rf ^ :— Awami League Supporters and Hindus in Bangla Desh ( 1 ) SPRIT * «ft iTTfatff *R- wrfa qfoforart *; 7576. SHRI G. VENKATSWAMY : Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be (2) JT«rsr^% sfoftfw gffear** pleased to state : f a # 33 facflr (a) whether the Bihar Government have brought to the Centre’s notice the possibi­ imnff ffTTT srffcsr snrsfftr lity of adverse development in Bihar due to arretr i t fr*rpr?ft reports in a section of the British and sr qrc ft* 3n* *t% farT % American Press alleging atrocities by the so-called Bibari Muslims on Awami League frrq =5 ?rc w | ^ §rr fsr% supporters and Hindus in Bangla Desh ; and Wff SPFTT I :— (b) if so, the reaction of Government ^cfT, TRT055TT, HVpiT, thereto ? ftsrcjfy wf^T, srrsrorrc, 6 o t - THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE gr, firft, ^ r , Tnryc, ?iwr, MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI K. C. PANT) : (a) No such reports has ^tt?, z fa im Tr^nra, w w frr, been received from the Government of fm n jz , fspr$ft, Bihar. (b) Does not arise. ftar, ^mr, ^r- $r, 5»rr, ^fw®rr, ^gvrr, PrfWr, w * % $q faff % tnr^JT, ^tshrr^K, , f m cm n m i

7577. *FTT TO? tffWT : W (3) f t ^sr grr^n^r wtt t r ^TfWcrr % 1% *r* f, tr? xiftr ^ r f a ) *r t ^ q;ap^f % f m

~-2-qf~'f~T Ufit~ ~~ -:;;mr'h:r, others; and ~I (b) whether any inquiry has been insti- tuted to find out the reasons for the roof ( 4) ~~fl1- ~'J;~;:r, f~~ ~~T collapse ? fw~cr~ il ~:! '!il'f

( 8) m+r U~T<: it f~ ~l"fiFIT Charges against Chief Minister of Goa, (~ij") Cfif

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE power or instruct the village Panchayats to MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAlRS AND incur expenditure for making good the extra IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL Joss. if they desire in acquiring and retaining (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) Post Offices permanently ? · No. Sir. THE MINiSTER OF COMMUNICA- (b) Does not arise. The comments of TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) the Chief Minister on the Memorandum The information is being collected and will · were invited and have been received. T hese be laid on the table of the Lok Sabha. are under examination. (b) Post Offices in the rural areas are opened at a margin of loss in consideration Direct Tclepnone Link IJ elween Patna of certain factors like population to be and Daltonganj served, distance from the nearest Post Office and importance of the village, The margin 7580. K l.J MARI KAMLA KUMARI : varies from Rs. 500/- to Rs. 2500/- per Will the Mi nister of COMMUNICATIONS annum according to the above factors. A be pleased to state : statement containing policy in this regard is (a) whether connection of Telephones laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in bet" een Patna a nd Daltonganj had been Library. See No. L T- 882/71] installed as far back as 1968 ; These Post Offices are allowed to (b) whether this line has been dis- continue upto a maximum period of 10 ccnnected ; and if so, the reasons therefor ; years on experimental basis provided they a nd are found to run within the limits of loss in which they were opened. They are retai- (c) whe ther there is any propo,al fo r ned on a permanent basis if the loss on re -insta!lati on of the sa id l in~: ? their working does not exceed Rs. 240/- per annum, as revealed by two consecutive THE MI NISTER OF COMMUNICA- annual fi nancial review, within a maximum TIONS (Sl-I RI H. N. BAH UGUNA) : (a) period of experimental existence of 10 years. Ye; . Such of the post offices which do no qualify (b) No. T he circui t has nor been dis- for their permanency within the ten year Ct' nnected. experimental period are also made perma- (c) In view of (b) above it does not nent if they are found to run within the loss arise . limi.ts of Rs. 240/- or Rs. 360/- or Rs. 500/- depending upon the distance from the nearest post office. A statement con- Rural Post Offices in Andhra Pradesh taining the policy in this regard is laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in Library. 758 1. SHRI ESWARA R EDDY : Will See No. L T ·882 / 71] the l'viin is ter of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state : (c) and (d). The information is being collected and will be laid on the table of the (a) the number of Post O ffices in ru ral Lok Sabha. a reas in Andhra Pradesh in curring Joss (e) The Government of Andhra Pradesh within the prescribed limits but reta in ed have intimated that the financial position on a permanent basis, District-wise ; of Gram Panchayats in backward areas is (b) how much those the prescribed limit generally very poor and they are not in a mean; position to attend to the obligatory func- (c) the number of Post Offices in An- tions to a satisfactory level. The State dhra Pradesh, District-wise working at a loss Government of Andhra Pradesh, therefore, beyond the prescribed limits ; have not agreed to the suggestion. (d) out of this number how many are considered as functioning in very backward Demand for more autonomy for Public undertakings a reas, District-wise, and the amount of higher limit of loss allo\\ed on them ; 7582. SHRI DEVINDER SINGH GAR- and CHA : Will the Minister of PLANNING (e) whether the An dh ra Pradesh Govern- be pleased to state : ment have accepted the suggestion to em- (a) whether in their informal meeting 51 WrWm Answers AUGUST II, 1971 Written Atuwtrt 52 recen tly, top Managers of the Public Sector Export Coiporation in 1969, 1970 and 1971 projects have pleaded for more autonomy (upto June); for their undertakings ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Statement MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM B1R Year 1969 Name of Films SINHA) : (a) Yes, Sir. 1. Jung Aur Aman (b) Rs. 60,000/— approximately. 2. London Express, (c) and (d). Yes, Sir ; the information 3. Gauri is given below :— 4. Chemmeen Name of sportsman Cost of film 5. Mere Hamdam Mere Dos' 6. Sapno Ka Saudagar Rs. 7. Majhli Didi 1. Ramanathan Documentary 58,555/- Krishnan 8. Saathi 9. Man Ka Meet 2. VJjay Special 28,955/- Merchant Newsreel 10. Upkar 3. Tenzingh Special 38,280/- 11. Har Har Gange Norgay Newsreel 12. Pyar Kiyan Jaa 13. Boond Jo Ban Gayi Moti Export of Motion pictures 14. Amar Pali 15. Tftsveer 7584. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will 16. Dadi Maa the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be pleased to state : 17. Vishwas 18. Love & Peace (a) the total number of Motion PJctcues exported by the Indian Motion Pictures 19. Satya Aur Ahirrna 5J Written Answers SRAVANA 2a. 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 54 20, Bhai Bahsa 11. Man Ka Meet 21. Chanda Aar Bijli 12. Anmol Moti 13. Raton Ka Raja Name of Films 1970 14. Doli 1. Bhai Bahen 15. Mere Hamdam Mere Dost 2. Doli 16. Ram Bhakta Hanuman 3, Mere Hamdam Mere D >st 4. Vishwas Direct Recruitment of Assistant Divisional 5. Sambandh Engineers (Junior Class I) 6. Pushpanjali 7585. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Will 7. Sapnon Ka Saudagar the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be 8. Chanda Aur Bijli pleased to state : 9. Dharti (a) whether Government have received 10. Do Radste any representation against the dispropor­ tionate direct recruitment of the Assistant . Hamraz 11 Divisional Engineers (Junior Class I) by the 12. Sajan Assistant Engineers of Posts and Telegraphs; 13 Aabroo and 14. Pagla Kahin Ka (b) if so, the steps taken to maintain 15. Pya/ Ka Mausam the 1:] proportion in the case of promotion for these Officers ? 16. Dhatti Kale Pukarkc 17. Arad hatu THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ Sachhai TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) 18. Yes. Pyasi Sham 19. (b) Since the posts of Assistant 20. Ek Phool Do Mali Divisional Engineers and Assistant Engineers 21. M^jhii Didi are interchangeable, the rules do not permit 22. Man Ka Meet Assistant Engineers officiating as Assistant Divisional Engineers Telegraphs. They can 23. Khamoshi be appointed as Assistant Divisional Engi­ 24. Sawan Bhadon neers only against permanent posts of 25. Raton Ka Raja Assistant Divisional Engineers. Paritv Duniya between the direct recruits and the promoted 26. officers is invariably maintained in the 27. Mamta permanent posts in Telegraph Engineering 28. Pyar Kiya Jaa Service Class I (Junior Scale). In view of this, no further steps are proposed. 29. Dadimaa

1971 (Up to June, 1971) Allotment of Imported Wool to various States 1. Sawan Bhadon 7586. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will 2. Mera Naam Joker the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be 3. Umang pleased to state : 4. DoRaaste (a) whether no allotment of imported wool has been made to Assam continously 5. Dharti for years in spite of the Assam Governments* 6. Khamoshi persistent demand ; 7. Pagla Kahin Ka (b) if so, the reasons therefor ; and 8. Bk Phool Do Mali (c) the total quantity of wool imported 9* Ram Aw Sham in 1-68-69 and 1970 and allotment made to JO. Insan Aur Shaitan different States during the above period ? 55 Written Alum's AUGUST 11, 1971 Wtifteti Answers 56

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE STATEMENT / MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) No, Sir. Imported Raw Wool Imports by STC wool has been issued to the State Govern­ ment of Assam in the years 1968 and 1969. Financial year Value in lakhs Allocations for the current period are under consideration. 1968-69 (part of the year) 336,39 (b) Does not arise. 1969-70 1569.85 (c) Statements are attached. 1970-71 1324.48

Statement II

Statement showing value of Allocation of Impoited Raw Wool State-wise and Period-wise

Name of States Period of Allocation Amount allocated Rs. Assam April 70/March 71 40,000 Bihar April 70/March 71 40,000 Haryana Oct. 69/March 70 100,000 April 70/March 71 40,000 Himachal Pradesh April 70/March 71 3 lakhs 3. and K. April 70/March 71 10 lakhs Punjab April 70/March 71 2 lakhs Oct. 69/March 70 1 lakh Kerala April 70/March 71 1,875 "I Oct. 68/March 69 136,174 J Maharashtra Oct. 69/Sept. 70 40,000 Mysore Oct. 69/March 70 12,500 Oct. 70/Sept. 71 40,000 Nagaland April 70/Sept. 70 20,000 Oct. 70/March 71 20,000 Orissa Oct. 68/Sept. 69 20,000 Oct. 69/March 70 40,000 April 70/March 71 40,000 Rayasthan April 70/March 71 40,000 U. P. April 70/March 71 40,000 Delhi Oct. 70/Sept. 71 40,000 Andhra Oct. 70/Sept. 71 40,000 •To meet the specific requirements of Air India.

Activities a f Anti-Social Elements in activities in different border areas of Assam; Border areas ©f Assam and (b) if so, the number of anti-social elements arrested or detained upto the end 7587. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will of 30th June, 1971 1 the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI (a) whether Government have any MOHSIN): (a) And (b). Facts are being information regarding spread of anti-social ascertained from the Government of Assam. 57 Written Answers SRAVANA 2 , 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 58 App ointment of Scheduled Caste Senior lb) whether any order was issued by Investigators in the Central Statistical Government to that cffect and, if so, when Orgaplsition it was issued and its particulars ; (c) whether this order is being imple­ 7588. SHRI AMBFSH • Will the mented and if not, the reasons therefor ; PRIME MINISTER be pleased to refer to and the reply given to Unstar-ed Question No. 4725 on'the 14th July, 1971 regarding non­ (d) tlu* proposals, if any, under consi­ inclusion of Scheduled Caste Senior Investi deration for strict enforcement of the order gators of the Central Statistical Organisation and other remedial measures to overcome in the Indian Statistical Service Grade IV the crisis that the handloom industry is now and state : facing ? (a) whether the Scheduled Cascc Senior THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Investigators appointed in the Cen ral MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI Statistical Organisation in 1962 were recruited A C GEORGE) : (a) Yes. Sir. through the Union Public Service Commis­ sion and that the Commission has again (b) Yes, Sir, under Notifications No. advised to 1970 that their appointment C’ER/10'66 and CER/10A/66, both, dated should be treated as regular from 1962 ; fhc 9ih November, 1966 by the Office of the Textile Commissioner, Bombay. (b) whether the Department of Statistics has. decided on the advice of Department (c) and (d). The said orders of reserva­ of Personnel, to confirm them against tion of production of coloured sarees reserved permanent posts of Senior Investi­ exclusively by handlooms were to be enforced gators available from 1960 ; and through the tespective State Governments, but the Mahaia»htra High Court have, on (c) the basis on which the Department Writ Petitions filed by certain powerloom of Personnel has not so far recognised their owners stayed the implementation of the appointment as regiUr from 1962 for orders. Effective steps ti' enfoice the ban inclusion of their names in the Indian on production of c loured sarees by power- Statistical Service Grade IV Select List ? looms can be taken only after the stay oiders THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE a-e vacated by the Maharashtra High Court. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL Release of Handloom Cloth Stocks piled (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) Yes, up in Andhra Pradesh Sir. (b) The Department of Statistics has 7590. SHRI ESWARA REDDY : Will requested the Union Public Service Com­ the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be mission for concurrence in a proposal to pleased to state : confirm them against reserved permanent (a) the estimated worth of handloom posts, and the concurrence of the U.P S C. cloth both in co-operative and private sector is awaited. lying unsold till June this year in Andhra (c) The Department of Personnel has Pradesh ; now recognised the appointment of these (b) whether the Government of Andhra Investigators as regular from 1962. Whether Pradesh have m ide a request for financial they can be considered for inclusion m the assistance and other remedial measures for Select List is now being examined. the release of handloom cloth stocks piled up ; Production of coloured sarees (c) if so, the particulars of their request; and 7589. SHRI ESWARA REDDY : Will (d) the action taken or proposed to be the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be taken thereon ? pleased to state: THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (a) whether any recommendations, was MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI made by the Power! oom Enquiry Committee A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Rs. 5 crores—of {1964) to reserve the production of coloured which Rs. 2 crores is in cooperative sector arees exclusively for handlooms; and Rs. 3 crores in private sector. Written Answers AUGUST II. 1971 Written A tm m s CO (b) No, Sit. the Minister of INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state : (c) and (d). Do not arise. (a) whether the C.P.C, and P.I.B. have decided to restrict quota of accredited Decline in Exports of Silk to Western Correspondents of big newspapers ; Countries (b) whether a number of non-correspon­ dent employees of the Hindustan Times and 7591. SHRI DFVINDER SINGH the Statesman have been given accreditation GARCHA : Will the Minister of FOREIGN in name of other publications ; and TRADE be pleased to state : (c) whether a full-time Correspondent (a) whether o u t exports of silk to of the Statesman has been shown in the western countries have declined ? P.I.B. record as full-time Correspondent of (b) if so, the reasons therefore ; Financial Times ? (c) whether there is any proposal to set THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE up a Silk Bank to organise exports on a MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND long term basis ; and BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR SINHA): (a) Ceilings on the number of (d) tf so. the main features theieof ? Press correspondents to be given accredita- tion on behalf of newspapers and news THE DEPUTY MIMSTI R IN THE agencies is fixed by the Press Information MINISTRY OF FORfcIGN TRADE (SHRI Bureau in consultation with the Central A. C. GEORGE) . (a) and (b). The exports of silk goods to western cmintiies which Press Accreditation Committee and are reviewed from time to time. amount'd to Rupees 11.78 crores in 1969 declined to Rupees 10.86 crores in 1970 and to (b) Two members of the editorial of the Rurees 2.25 crores during January June, 1971. Hmdustun Times have been accredited as 1 U main reasons for dcclme in exports are : correspondents on behalf of foreign news­ papers at the request of the latter. No (i) Change in fashion trends in the journalist working on the Desk of the importing countries resulting in Statesman is accredited as a correspon­ decline in demand for scarves and dent. stoles which accounted for 60? 0 of total exports in 1969 and 1970. (c) An accredited correspondent on the staff of the Statesman has also been accredi­ (ii) Competition from other countries ted for the Financial Times, London as a particularly China and Thailand ; stringer, at the letter’s request and (iii) Rise in cost of raw material parti­ Publications of Engineering Times and its cularly of tasar colons resulting Circulation In rise in the cost of production of export fabrics. 7593. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND (c) and (d). The Central Silk Board will BROADCASTING be pleased to state : be setting up a Raw Material Bank for (a) whether the Engineering Times stabilizing the prices of sericultural products. changed frequency last yew* and claimed The scheme envisages procurement of more newsprint; essential raw materials required for export production such as imported raw silk, (b) whether the shifting of their centre indigenous raw silk, tasar cocoons, tasar of publication from Calcutta to Bombay has waste, etc:, and arrangement for supply to been notified ; the actual users/exporters at economic (c) the action the Registrar of News- prices. papers has finally initiated against the publisher following disclosure of falsification Non-Correspondent Employees of die of circulation detected daring Circulation Statesman and the Hindustan Times given Inspection investigation ; and Accreditation (d) whether the Directorate of Adver­ tising and Visual Publicity has been notified 7592. SHRI S. C SAMANTA : Will about the real circulation of this papti ? 61 Written Answers SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 62 THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE recruit Vice-Principals of the Higher Secon­ MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND dary Schools of the Delhi Administration, BROADCASTING (SIIR1 DHARAM B1R Delhi, though it is a Class II post ; SINHA): (a) Yes, Sir The periodicity of (b) whether the U.P.S.C. has any inti­ the publication was changed from fort­ mation that the Delhi Administration has nightly to weekly from 1st January 1970 promoted 21 teachers as Vice-Principals and (b) No, Sir. no representation has been given to the (c) Consequent on detection of exagge* Scheduled Caste* and ScheduleJ Tribes ; rated circulation claims on the basis of and which newsprint was allotted to the news­ (c) if so. the action taken by the paper for the years 1967-68, 1968-69 and U P.S.C. in the matter ? 1969-70, necessary adiustment in the news­ print quota of the paper is being made Its THE MINISTER OF STA Hi IN THE entitlement for the year 1970-71 has already MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND been reduced by 19 83 tonnes and the IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL balance will be adjusted against its enutle- (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) to ment for 1971-72. (c) The intormaiion is being collected and (d) Yes Sir. will be placed on the Table of the House as soon as available Launching of a Satellite by India Enquiry into the Shesbnag Tragedy 7594. SHRI DEVINDFR SINGH G ARCH A : Will the Minister of ATOMIC 7596. SHRI G. Y K.R1SHNAN : Will ENERGY be pleased to state : the Minister of HOMh AFFAIRS be pleased to state : (a) whether India will attempt to launch its first Satellite in 1974 and if so, (a) whether the enquiry into the Shesh- the estimated cost of this Satellite ; nag tragedy has been completed , and (b) the place irom where this Satellite (b) if so, the lcsult thereof ? would be launched ; THE MINIS HR 01 STATE IN THE (c) whether this attempts is being made MINISTRY O r HOME \H AIRS (SHRI in collaboration with some foreign Govern­ K C. PANT) : (a) Yts, Sir. ment ; and (b) The Government of Jammu and (d) if so, the particulars thereof ? Kashmir have wnee published the Report of the Committee of Inquiry on Amarnath THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER Yatra 1970 appointed by them and issued OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF orders on the recommendations of the HOME AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING Committee They have also appointed another Committee under the chairmanship (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI) : (a) Yes, of the Minister of State for Tourism of Sir. India will attempt to launch for first Jammu and Kashmir for implementation of scientific satellite in 1974 and the estimated the recommendations as further modified by cost of development of the satellite is them. A copy of Order No 757-GD of Rs. 3 crores. 1971, dated 25th March, 1971, issued by the (b) the satellite would he launched from Government of Jammu and Kashmir is laid Sriharikota Range (SHAR). on the Table of the House. [Placed in (c) It would be an entirely Indian effort Llbrarv. See No. LT—883/71]. and no foreign country would be collabora­ ting in this project. Alleged Visit of West Bengal by Shri Zaidi (d) Does not arise. in Home Ministry Recruitment of Vice-Principals for Higher 7597. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will Secondary Scooals in Delhi the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be 7595. SHRI AMBESH : Will the pleased to state : PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : (a) whether Shri Zaidi of the Home (a) whether the U.p.S.C. does not Ministry took with him three Muslim 63 Written Answers AUGUST 11, 1971 Written Answers 64 businessmen of Bombay on lOth June, ;:mrf~'ti +rn:arsh had crossed into India? (d) whether they carried out anti-Indian (l1) ~ ~ ~l'TT ~Tl1' fv:f6!Tt'l fl1'otf) : (cr.) ~ (lT). THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 1HE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRl <:r;sTT g~ :q ;: ~ ifi~

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Activities Act in West Bengal, as stated by MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND the Police Authorities there, appealed IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL against their detention before the Calcutta (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : The High Court; and following quantities of Potassium Chlorate (b) how many of those who appealed were supplied by the manufacturers either have been set at liberty by the High Court ? directly or through their depots to consu­ mers/dealers in the States of Bihar, Orissa THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and West Bengal during 1970 :— MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Bihar 4650 kgs, K. C. PANT): (a) and (b). According to the information received from the Govern­ Orissa 3180 kgs. ment of West Bengal, 3694 persons were West Bengal 20,755 kgs. detained in the State under the Act upto The figure for West Bengal includes 30.7.197). Upto that date, in 300 Habeas quantities supplied to major match factories Corpus petitions filed on behalf of persons de­ located in that State which between them tained under the Act/Rule Nisi were received. account for the bulk of the supplies made Of these, 103 cases have been heard finally by to West Bengal. the High Court and 64 peisons have been released. Of the remaining 39 cases, orders of Similar information m respect of the detentians have been upheld by the Court years 1968 and 1969 is being collected and in 14 cases and in the other 25 cases, the will be laid on the tabic of the House, on detenues having been already released, Rules receipt. Information cn Industry-wise were di«charged. distribution is being collected and will be laid on the Table of the Sabha on receipt. Indo* Afghan Talks

Export of Mica 7603 SHRI M. M. JOSEPH . Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be pleased 7601. SHRI SHANKER DAYALto state : SINGH : Will the Minister of FOREIGN (a) whether any Indo-Afghan offloial TRADE be pleased to state the value of level talks were held in the month of July, mica exported abroad during the last three 1971 in Kabul ; and years ? (b) if so, the matters discussed and the decisions arrived at ? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE A. C. GEORGE) : The Total value of mica MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI and mica products exported during the last A C. GEORGE): (a). No, Sir. No formal three years is as follows official level talks were held in Kabal tn July, 1971. Rs. in crores (b) Does not arise.

1968-69 15.50 Communal Riots in States 1969-70 17.47 1970-71 14.99 7604. SHRI R. V. BADE : Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased (April-January) to state : (a) the number of communal riots Persons arrested Under Prevention of which broke out during the last one year in Violent Activities Act in West Bengal each State, separately ; and set at Liberty by Calcutta High (b) the names of persons convicted Court and the nature of punishment awarded to them in this regard and the number of per­ 7602. SHRI SAROJ MUKHERJEE : sons acquitted ? Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE pleased to state ; MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND (a) how many of the 1600 persons IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL arrested tmJugantar Daily’ of Calcutta in its issues of States and Union Territories is nil. the 11th and 12th July, 1971 and similar allegations in other Daily papers ; and Denial of Permission to an M. P. and (b) whether this aspect of the gun- Advocate to $ee Shri Baddradaia, snatcbiag problem in the District lias been Ex-M, P. Now Under Detention attended to by the authorities since the administration of tbe State has been taken w . m i SAROJ MUKHEIUEE ; 9VKty4faeJ>M0«9».? *" J- ...... Written Answers s R a V a n a 2ft, m i (Sa k a ) Written Answers 70

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE fo ta r vcmx *r% 2rtt% m *r*t MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI K. C. PANT) : (a) Government have seen f r : the dews reports referred to in the question fa ) w t w m sr&r % snsfa ftr^r If (b) Facts are being ascertained from ?T5*Tft *rrmt * r ‘^ r t ^hFrnrtf 2V wis*r the State Governme it. ^SfSTW mfiT5t f

wh: # fim f * t a r* st^ t r ? p f^ff % r^^R % fwjt (fa^rcr 7609. SHRI K. MALLANNA : f^rf*T*r*T*r) nfWf*rw % f*??w SHRI M ALLIK AR J UN . fsr© g -^ q r % qrr srar«r ?r ^ r s r t SHRI MLOO MODI : Will the Minister of SCIENCE AND q ^ r ftarr srr 1 1 gr§T m tz fo TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : *n$r?r ftr^r fao s[?fh: ctot (a) whether the Central Electrochemical sp?*rrtir *i5r % o | Research Institute has developed a technique ?p*nfr: 35 ?rm ^ e m r io ?rrer for the use of steel in the manufacture of automobile radiators in the country ; Trf5t m % n?srf % ?rraFsr*r, # (b) if so, the details of the resmnch 3 R T ^ P T *T srr

(b) a nd (c). The invention consists in of iron ore from India in the last three the combinations of two different methods years ; of giving protection to steel from corrosion, (b) how does this compare with the vh., the use of protective coating of solder increased registered by other iron ore on steel as well as addition of corrosion exporting countries during the same period ; inhibitor which protects both and solder. By Adopting the process, steel can replace brass (c) whether India is facing stiff competi­ and copper in the manufacture of coven- tion from Australia in the export of iron tional type of radiators. The institute has ore ; and not done any work on the making of radia­ (d) if so, the steps taken to meet this tors. No estimate of foreign exchange saving competition ? has so far been made. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Iron Ore purchased fey M. M. T. C. MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Exports iron ore 7610. SHRI D. K. PANDA : Will have increased by about 30% during 1970-71 the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be as compared to the exports for the year pleased to state : 1968-69. The quantity and value of iron ore exports from India during the last three (a) whether the Minerals and Metals years are as follows:— Trading Corporation is paying Rs. 19 per tonne for the iron ore purchased from Qantity : Million Metric tonnes Barajamda Mines in Orissa in the private Value : Rs. crores. sector while it is paying only Rs. 12 per tonne for Kiriburu ore and Rs. 16 per tonne Quantity Value for Bailadilla ore to the N. M. D. C. ; 1968-69 15.90 89.60 (b) if so, the reasons for paying a lesser price to the N. M. D. C. ; 1969-70 17.69 100.45 (c) whether the N. M. D. C. has asked 1970-71 20.81 115.44 for a higher price for the iron ore produced at Kiriburu and Bailadilla ; and (b) The overall increase of 30% com­ pares favourably with the increase of about (d) if so, the decision taken in the 28% in the world sea borne iron ore trade matter ? during the same period. However some THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE mayor iron ore exporting countries such as MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI Australia and Brazil have been increasing A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b). MMTC their exports at a much faster rate. is purchasing iron ore from the private (c) Yes, Sir. sector mines in the Barajamda sector on FOR basis, while the purchases of Kiriburu (d) Several developmental projects in ore sad Bailadilla ore from N. M. D. C. the three sectors involved in the iron ore are on FOBT basis. Disclosure of actual export programme viz. Mining, Railways jMioes paid by MMTC for purchase of iron and Ports have been atfdertaken. In the ore from the different sectors, will not be mining sectors the various steps taken in the commercial interests of the Corpora­ include commissioning of new and large tion, mechanised mines at Bailadila and Doni* (c) and (d). NMDC has asked for a malia apart from expansion of production change over of the prices pattern from in the privately owned mines in the different FOBT to FOR basis. This is under conside­ areas. In the Railway sector the Cuttack- ration. Paradip rail link is already under costrno- tion. The Railways are also taking steps to increase the capacity, including rolling stock Expert of Iron Ore of other existing railway links leading from the mining areas to the ports. Da regard to 7611. SHRI D. K. PANDA: Will iron ore handling fkcilHes at the ports, the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be deep draft tkmgsfde loading berth has pleased to stat* : already been commissioned in Paradip, the (a) the foacase rsgtosrerf in die export oapMbrof Which to batag augmented. Work n Written Answers SkAVANA SO, 18ft (SAKA) Writien Answers 74 is also in progress to commission berths for firitar wntTT w N * (’■ft handling ore at Haidia, Marmagoa, Madras Outer Harbour and Visakbapatnam Outer V* tft« : (v) v m & m x %

Telephone connection cut off from A. V. B. * faq crrfv^rrr t o t r ft «rre-*rc Employees Union Office, Durgapor t qif^R srwrc % wnwr 7612. SHRI MOHAMMAD ISMAIL : VMVfi xwr % i Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : (sr) *rk (*t). sft ^ i w m x f t (a) whether the telephone in the f t ^ stiff treff % *rar- A. V. B. employees’ Union Office, Durga- pur has been forcibly taken away by the fw r* 11 cr^rPr w Police and C. R. P. recently ; ^ fa* fcff vt «m?r^TT ffcrr w |1 (b) if so, the reasons therefor ; and (c) the steps, if any. taken by Govern­ Distinction between Uranium Corporation of ment to get the telephone reinstalled in the India and Indian Rare Earths Ltd. A. V. B. Employees' Union Office ? 7614. SHRJ VARKEY GEORGE: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Will the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS pleased to state : (SHRI K. C. PANT): (a) to (c). In (a) whether there is any distinction be­ regard to the State police, information is tween the formation of the Uranium Corpo­ being collected from the Sate Government ration of India and the Indian Rare Earths and will be placed on the table of the Ltd, and if so. the points of distinction ; House on receipt. In so far as the CRP is (b) whether Government have suffered concerned, there has been no such ins­ a great loss by way of royalty and sales tax tance. payable by the Uranium Corporation of India to the State Government of Bihar ; 1 9 6 5 % (c) whether any enquiry was held into the affairs and if so, the result of the w fw im enquiry ; and (d) the action taken by Government in the matter ? 7 6 1 3 . : wr ftrtar THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER wrnmc ftt ^ % : OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF ( v ) 1 9 6 5 ^iror-MrfiFWPr INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING % s’kR qrff>fcTR (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI) : (a) The f^rtr yrm * m Uranium Corporation of India was formed in 1967 by converting the Jaduguda Mines %tr $ focHt & Mills projects into a Government Com­ pany under the Department of Atomic w fm r | ; Energy. The Indian Rare Earths was (*) m qifteara & sw vt initially a joint Undertaking of the Govern­ ment of India and Government of Kerala. ar^r % fmt «r«r In 1965, the shares of the Kerala Govern­ sn*«r % fw? ift v m f * R ment were taken over by the Central Government. t ; * t The Ufanlum Corporation of India is responsible for providing uranium inquired («r) *rfa $f, w r Indias Farmers by (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI) : (a) The Pakistani Troops Uranium Corporation of India Ltd., was incorporated on the 4th of October, 1967. 7617. SHRI BOKSI NAYAK: Will (b) The Uranium Corporation of India the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be Ltd., was formed by converting the Jadu- pleased to state : guda Mines and Uranium Mill Projects (a) whether several Indian farmers were into a public Sector Undertaking of the kidnapped by the Pakistani troops near ~ Department of Atomic Energy, The emplo- Karimganj from India's border ; and yees originally appointed for the two Pro- jects were offered employment in the Corpo- (b) if so, what action, if any, has been ration on the terms and conditions mutually taken by Government to ensure early return settled between the Management and the of the farmers concerned ? Jaduguda Labour Union. The employees who were seconded to the Jaduguda Mines THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and Uranium Mill Projects from the consti- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND tuent units of the Department of Atomic IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL Energy were given the option either to (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) revert to their parent units or accept employ- According to the information furnished by ment under the Corporation. the Border Security Force, no Indian farmers have been kidnarped by Pakistan troops (c) The benefits in totality to the emplo- from near Karimganj in Assam yees offered by the c~rporation are generally on a more liberal scale than those prior to (b) Does not arise. their appointment in the Corporation. How- ever, there is a dispute between the Cor- Production of Rayon poration and its workmen over the question of gratuity which is presently under consi- 7618. SHRI C. CHITTIBABU : deration. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : 77 WWmPPf nlmwWrw SRAVANA to, 1893 0A K A ) Written Ans*ttrs 78

SffBIV. OANOADEB : (c) if so, the reasons therefor and the measures taken to remedy the situation ? Will *he Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be pleased to state : THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (a) the quantity of Rayon produced in MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI our country, the installed capacity and tjie A. G. GEORGE) (a) A statement is Fourth Plan target therefor , attached. (b) whether there is a serious shortage (b) No, Sir. in the production of Rayon ; and (c) Does not ame.

Statement The following are the production, installed capacity and the Fourth Plan target •— Figures in Tonnei

Item Production Annual Installed Annual Fourth during capacity Plan targets 1970. Viscose Filament Yarn 16076 37700 64000 (In addition letter of intent issued for 3000 tonnes) Viscose Staple 63342 72000 90000 Fibre 26000 licensed capacity) (Letter of intent issued for 14000 tonnes) Viscose type 17421 18800 19000 cord/yam

fW t ST •IT UHlftflf ITTT >TT7WhT (sr) 5nPT»r 300 i (*r) tftaT % f*n* u r w ^n®r fr * *rq f i w r w r r* 7619. TO fTCFW : *TT r ft i «R[ arm# sft trcr f r :

(*?) *pt t tffaT 3frr Liccnces issued to Foreign companies fr*n t ; to manafactare T. V. Sets { * ) t f k ft, at l ar«wrt, 1968 Sr 7620. SHRI DASARATHA DBB : fr?j% sfWfr ^rnriWf ?wt % unt- Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased^ to state : tfta r «pt fr*T | ; *fk (a) the total number of licences given (»r) ?h?ptt % w r ^r*f- to tbe Foreign companies to manuttotwe Television Sets ; (b) whether the attention of Govern* 3 3 w m m fwww $ x m meat has been drawn to the protests made by the Indus* Television manuftctufrdrtf «NV flurt): (*) Association against the isswof oftfctyMt v fofttifn coqnfrise j 79 ~Vritrm Answers AUGUST 11, l

(c) if so. the details thereof ; and by Mr. Justice T,trapada Mukherjee in (d) the reaction of Government there- West Bengal has not yet been publis- to ? hed ; (b) whether there is any difficulty in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE publishing the said report ; and MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI K. C. PANT) : (a) to 1 d). No foreign (c) the number of persons detained in company has been given an industrial licence West Bengal in 1970 and the number for the manufacturing of television sets. out of them convicted in this connec- Such firms arc also not eligible for the issue tion ? of an industrial licence for manufacture of television ;;ets in terms of the existing indus- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE trial policy, as this item is not included in MINfSTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI the core sector. Moreover, manufacture of K. C. PANT) : (a) and (b) The State television sets with indigenous knowhm\ Government of West Bengal have reported has already been eo;tablished in the countrv. that the report submitted by the Commis- 'ion of Inquiry on Sainbari Murder case has :VIrmorandum tn Gowrnor of (;ujarat re not been published in accordance with the elosun· of Prahha :\fills, Viramgam orders of the High Cnun of Calcutta that the G,,vernment should not p!1hlish the said 7621. SHRI P. M. MEHTA: Will report nor take any action on the basis the Minister ,,f FOREIGN TRADE be thereof, pending the disposal of the pleased to state : connected appeal before the Hon'hle Court. (a) whether the Gujamt Pradesh Branch of the Indian National Trade Union Con- (c) Information i~ being colle\.:ted from gress and the Textile Labour Union, Virarn- the Stalt' Ciovernment and will he laid on gam have submitted a stat<:ment memoran- IIH· Tabk of the House. dum 011 the 31<;~ May, IY71 to the Governor of Gujarat in connection will> the closure lmpouant papers rnis,ing lh•m Shri or tht: Prabhf, Mills, Viramgam (Ciujara() ~agarwala 's til(• fmm Mav 19hk tlue to non availability of cotton ; 71,'1. SHIU SAMAR GUHA (b) if so, the 111ain features thereof ; SHRI TUNA ORAON and SHRI PILOO MODY (c) the rea\.:tion llf Government there- Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS to ? be pleased to state : THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (a) whether some important papers in MINISTRY OF FORFIGN TRADE (SHRI wnnection with the Naganvala Hank fraud A. C. GEORGE) : (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. case are missing ; In their memorandum the two Unions have (b) if so, the nature of such papers ; stated inter-alia that the reason for closure and of mill was not the unavailability of cotton, (c) the steps taken by Government to as made out by management but mismanage- unearth them "? ment of the mill. (c) The affairs of the mill have already THE MINISTER OF STATE lN THE been investigated under the I (D & R) Act MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI and the report submitted by the Investiga- K. C. PANT) : (a) to (c). According to tion Committee is being examined in consul- the Delhi Administration, only one paper tation with the State Government etc. is reported to be missing from the case file of Shri Sohrab Rustam Nagarwala. The Sainbari Murder Enquiry Commission Report paper is described in the index as 'Fard Nishan Debi Wa Maqboozgi'. This Fard 7622. SHRI PRIY A RANJAN DAS related to the seizure of some articles from MUNSI : Will the Minister of HOME the accused. An inquiry was held by the AFFAIRS be pleased to state : District and Sessions Judge, Delhi in the (a) the reasons why the report of Sain- matter. His report has been received by the bari Murder Enquiry Commission headed Dell · Administration on the 6th Augus;, «J Written Answers SRAVANA 30. 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers $

1971 and h being examined by them to fix AND BROADCASTING be please* to responsibility for the lost of this docu­ state : ment. (a) whether no meeting of the Depart­ mental Promotion Committee for the pur­ Price Redaction of Rayon Filament Yarn pose of promotion from Grade II to Grade X of the Central Information Service has been 7624, SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : held after December, 1969 and, if so, SHRI G. VENKATSWAMY : tbe reasons therefor ; Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE (b) whether a certain batch of Offioero be pleased to state • has been stagnating in Grade 11 for almost (a) whether the cost of production of six years ; and Rayon Yarn had gone up considerably; (c) if so the teasons for the delay in and holding the meeting of the Departmental (b) if so, the effect of the price reduc­ Promotion Committee ? tion, if any, of Rayon Filament Yam on the industry and the reaction of Government THF DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE thereto ? MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRi DHARAM BIR THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE STNHA): (a) A meeting of the Depart­ MINISTRY OF FORFIGN TRADE (SHRI mental Promotion Committee presided over A. C. GFORGf) (a) and (b). All by a Member oe the Union Public Service aspects of the Rayon industry including (he Commission, for selection of officers of cost of producuon are now under examina­ Grade II of the Central Information Service tion of the Government in the context of for promotion to Grade I of the Service the recommendations made in that behalf by was held in July, 1971 the Tariff Commission. (b) There are a few such officers, but Examination by tbe Ministry of Planning they had b en considered and found unsuita­ Re : performance of State Trading ble for promotion in December 1969 by tbe Corporation Departmental Promotion Committee. (c) No meeting of the Departmental 7625, SHRI S. C SAMANTA : Will Promotion Committee was held in 1970 the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to because apart from those considered unsui­ state * table for promotion in December, 1969 no (a) whether his Ministry hjw examined other officer became eligible for promo­ the performance of the State Trading tion under the rules during that year. Corporation during the last three years , and Functioning of Transmitter at Alleppy (b) if so, the outcome thereof ? (Kerala)

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 7627. SHRI R. BALAKRISHNA MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MO­ P1LLAI: Will tbe Minister of INFOR­ HAN DHARIA) : (a) and (b) The MATION AND BROADCASTING be Planning Commission have not gone into pleased to state; the performance of the State Trading Cor­ poration. The Annual Plan for 1970-71 (a) whether the new high-power medium of the State Trading Corporation with parti­ wave transmitter at Alleppy in Kerala has cular reference ir> its internal resources was, started functioning ; and however, discussed in the Planning Commis­ (b) the estimated cost af the transmitter sion. A similar discussion for 1971-72 is at Alleppy ? yet to be held. • THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Stagnation of offleers of Central Information MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND Service to Grade II BROADCASTING (SHRIMATI NAN&tNI SATPATHY) : («) Yes, Sir. 7626, SHRI 1KDBR J. MALHOTRA : t y ll the Minister o f JN{*pRMATION

Nome of District Category Present position Likely date places of Post of the proposal of finalise* office tion of the proposed proposal to t>e opened

Menou Khunjao Central Extra departmental Sanctioned on Likely to be bianch Post Office 12-4-71 opened on 31*9-71 Leiting East —do— Sanctioned on —do— 19-6-71 T. Bangmul Central d° Sanctioned on Likely to be 17-7-71 opened by 15-9-71 New Sangtal Central —do— Sanctioned on —do— 20-7-71 Paomata North —do— —do— —do— Lambuj East —do— Sanctioned on —do— 22-7-71 Behiang South Extra departmental Under F*amir>pf}nn Branch Post Office examination is likely to be completed by 30-9-71 Analkhullen Central —do— —do— —do— Loagpl West —do— —do— —do— Namtiram West —do— —do— —do— Sord© East —do— —do— —do— Grihang —do— —do— —do— —do— Chamu —do— --»do— —do— - d o - Narum Central —do— Under reference Examination with Oovt of is likely to Manipur for be complet­ payment of non- ed her returnable con­ 31-12-71 tribution. Lakhamai North —do— Under - d o - examination Chonglai KhuUcn North —do— Under reference —do— for payment of non-returnable contribution from public Keibul —do— —do— Under reference —do— with the State Govt, for pay­ ment of non- returnable consideration

Kharafcul —do— —do— —do— —do - Kfcangbamn Central —do— —do—* —d»— Written Answers AUGUST 11, 19*1 Written Antwira H

Betides the proposals mentioned above, the following Post Office* have already beta opened in Manipur State during the current year on the dates mentioned against each

Name of the District Category of Post Date of places Office opened opening jSarmpantong North Extra departmental 6-7-71 branch post office Chieugnongpong South Extra departmental &-5-71 sub Post Offioe Sonapur Central Extra departmental 6-5-71 branch post office

Creative Music over A IR THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 7632 SHRI N. TOMBI SINGH : K. C. PANT) : (a) Ves, Sir. Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND (b) Details have not been received so far. BROADCASTING be pleased to state : Alleged Man-Handling of Government (a) the measures taken by Government Servants by a Group of Students to encourage creative music in the AH India within Writers Building Calcutta Radio especially in the modem trend; and (b) the policy of Government in this 7634. SHRI A. K SAHA : Will the behalf? Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OP STATE IN THE (a) whether a group of students have MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND organised raids within the Writers Buildings BROADCASTING (SHRIMATI NANDINI and beat up the Government Servants at SATPATHY) : (a) The policy of the their desks m Calcutta West Bengal; and Government is to encourage creativity and (b) if so, what steps Government are experimentation in Indian Music. contemplating to take against those stu­ A national orchestra has been formed dents ? at Delhi which has been experimenting in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the harmonization and orchestration of MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Indian Music. Similar experiments have K. C PANT); (a) and (b). According been conducted at a few other stations. to the information received from the Efforts have also been made in creating new forms of rendering choral music in Hindus­ Government of West Bengal, on the 27th April, 1971, after a procession of the tani, Karnatak and light music. Chhatra Parishad came to the gate of the Writers* Buildings at Calcutta, a disturbance Estimates of Expenditure to Build a New took place in which some employees of the Capital of Assam Sec etariat as also some of processionists were reported to have sustained injuries. 7633. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR : The State Government have stated that an SHRI K. MALLANNA : inquiry has been ordered into the incident W01 the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS and the question of taking any action will be pleased to state : be considered after the report of the inquiry is received. (at whether the Centre has asked the Assam Government to furnish it with the Alleged Police Excesses in Punjab detailed estimates of the expenses to build 7635. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : a new capital for Assam ; and Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS (b) if so, the details of estimates given lie pleased to slate: by the Government ? (*} whetfeer Shri Sat Pal Dan*, * » fa tten Amwttt SRAVANA $0, im (SAKA) Written Answers 90 former Minister in Punjab and Shri Darshan A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b). The Indian Singh Canadian, Secretary of the Puniab Cotton Mills* Federation have urged an Unit of the Communist Party of India had increase in the prices of controlled doth on recently written a letter to the State Gover­ account of increase in prices of cotton, nor urging him to enquire into the alleged wages, stores, power, fuel, coal and dyes excesses committed by the Punjab Police in and chemicals and also due to increase in the last one and half years in the name of rates of interest and overhead charges. fighting Naxalites; and (c) The matter has been referred to the (b) if so, what actios has been taken in Bureau of Industrial Costs and Prices. the matter ? Playing of Cards by Central Government THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Employees MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI K. C. PANT): (a) Yes, Sir. 7638. SHRI K. C. PANDEY : (b) The State Government have repor­ SHRI MUHAMMED ted that in every case of police encounter SHERIFF : with the Naxalites, resulting in their death, a magisterial inquiry has been held and Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: allegatiors made against the police are inquired into. (a) whether her Ministry have issued instructions whereby playing of cards by the Central Government employees in the lawns Take over of Tea Gardens in West Bengal has been prohibited in Delhi ; and and Assam (b) if so, how, the instructions are pro­ 7636. SHRI DINESH JOARDER : posed to be given a practical shape 7 Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI (a) whether Government are considering fC. C PANT) • (a) The Chief Security a plan to take over the Tea Gardens of Officer in the Ministry of Home Affairs had Assam ; addressed a letter in August, 1968, to (b) whether Government have any plan Vigilance Officers of different Ministries to take over all the closed Tea Gardens of in which he had suggested, among other West Bengal and Assam ; things, that no Government employee should (e) if so, the main features thereof ? be allowed to play cards on the lawns and other places appurtenant to office buildings. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (b) Persons, if any, found violating these MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI instructions are liable to disciplinary action A. C. GEORGE) ‘ (a) and (b). No, by the concerned Ministry or Department. Sir. (c) Does not arise. Simplification of Foreign Trade Proeedares

Upward Revision of Prices of Controlled 7639. SHRI K. C. PANDEY : Will Varieties of Cloth the Minister of FOREIGN TRADB be pleased to state: 7637. SHRI K. C. PANDEY: Will (a) whether the foreign trade policy, in the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be so far as imposed restrictions are concerned, pleased to state : does not cater for foreign investment in (a) whether the textile industry has India ; and been urging for the upward revision of (b) whether Government propose to prices of controlled varieties of cloth ; simplify the foreign trade procedures 7 (b) the reasons for such a demand ; and THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THfi (c) Government's reaction thereto ? MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI A C, GEORGE): (a) Foreign trade policy J THB DEPUTY MINISTER IN THB is geared to the programming of import O f FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI required for India's development programme, 91 W ritm dmwers AUGUST it, $71 W rtiln JWWfft 4 as per the Fourth Five Yew Plan, and THE MINISTER OF STATE |N THE import restrictions imposed in this connec­ MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND tion are based on the policy of import IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL substitution. This policy is not directly (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (ft) to related to the policy on foreign investment (c). The required information is being for which separate criteria are laid down. collected and will be laid down on the (b) It is the constant endeavour of Table of the House as early as possible. Government to simplify procedures to the extent possible, within the constraint of Clash between Naxalite Prisoners and Jail foreign exchange availability. AothorMes in Howrah Jail 7642. SHRI N. E. HORO : Will the Scheme for Awarding Government Contracts Minister of HOME AFFAIRS he pleased to to Unemployed Engineers state : (a) whether Government are aware that 7640. SHRI K. C. PANDEY : Will11 Naxalite prisoners were injured following the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased a clash with the Warders of Howrah Jail on to state : the 16th May, 1971 ; and (a) whether Government propose to (b) if so, the causes of the said clash ? award Government building and other con* tracts only to the unemployed Engineers THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE and fpr which consultancy service would MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI also be offered by Government ; and MOHS1N): (a) and (b). On May 16, (b) if so, the main features of the 1971, some extremist prisoners attempted to scheme 7 enter by force a different cell block in Howrah Jail with the object of meeting the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE under-trial prisoners lodged in that cell block MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI when the warder refused admission to them, K. C. PANT) : (a) No such proposal is a wordy Altercation took place which sub­ under consideration of the Government of sequently ended in a clash between the India. warders and the extremist prisoners. (b) Does not arise. The Naxalite prisoners and one ordinary prisoner were injured. Recruitment Roles of Promotion of Drafts­ men and Surveyors Naxalite ActMttee In ftMfctf Steel Plant

7641. SHRI N. S. BISHT : Will 7643. SHRI N. E. HORO : the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to SHRI G. P. YADAV : state : Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS (a) whether there is a provision in the be pleased to state : Recruitment Rules of the various Central (a) whether activities of Naxalites have Government Departments for promotion of been found in the Bhilai Steel Plant ; Draftsmen and Surveyors to the grade of (b) whether some literatures have been Section Officers and Assistant Engineers and, captured by the Police from these Naxalites; If so, the percentage fixed for such promo­ and tion ; (c) if so, the reaction of Government (b) whether in case of a person who thereto 7 has alcetdy been promoted and has per­ formed his duties efficiently and competently THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE for f few yea**, relaxation in educational MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI qualification prescribed for such promotion,- K. C. PANT): 4a) to (e). Some fostances posts is necessary before confirmation of the of display of Naxalite j*»stec» bad come to individual fa the higher grade ; and notice in ,the Bhilai Township. Naxalite (c) if so, whether the power of relaxa­ literature had Also been recovered from some tion lias been delegated to any subordinate persons. vWla^qe Is b e ta jnain* l^thority of (he Government ? ter thft {fate aiiij ftdjA*) f t W BtM Aniiteh SRAVANA 20* 1#» \tSAKA) Written A n svth 9* a tetitm t to Ww is being taken whenever a* pari of the appraisal of the Fourth Five POHiW« Year Plan.

U.N. Assistance for Television Training Crisis hi tea Industry Institute at Poona 7646. SHRIMATI BIBHA GHOSH: 7644. SHRI JADBJA * Will the Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE Minister of INFORMATION AND be pleased to state ' BROADCASTING be plttsed to state : (a) whether the prices of tea in the (a) whether a Television Training Insti­ international market have fallen steeply tute is being established at Poona with the creating in crisis for the Indian Tea U.N. assistance ; industry ; (b) the amount of assistance to be given; (b) if so, the steps taken by Govern­ and ment to help the industry m this cri­ (c) the detail* of the scheme to be sis; undertaken by the Institute ? (c) whether Government have any plan for giving help to the tea-growing States ; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND (d) if so, the broad outlines of the BROADCASTING (SHRI NANDINI plan ? SATPATHY) : («) Yes, Sir. U.N.D.P. is assisting in the establishment of TV training THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE wing in the Film Institute of India at MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI Poona. A. C. GEORGE) : (a) and (b). Prices of teas sold at London auctions at present (b) Rs. 88 lakhs which will be in the are lower than those during the same period form of equipment, experts and fellowships of 1970. However, the averages for the year for training of Indian teaching personnel are expected to be as good as those in 1968 abroad and better than In 1969. Prices at Calcutta (c) The Institute will run courses for and Cochin auctions are also better at about 200 trainees every year which will present than in the past years. There include personnel for both production and is therefore no crisis in the Indian Tea presentation of TV programmes and for TV Industry. technical operations. (c) and (d). Do not arise.

Provision of Funds for Toerism io Fourth Broadcasting In India Plan 7647. SHRIMATI BIBHA GHOSH : 7645. SHRI GANGA REDDY : WillWill the Minister of INFORMATION the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state : state : (a) whether his Ministry has taken note (a) whether Government’s attention has of the views expressed by all the members been drawn to page 166 of the Broadcasting who spoke bn the demands for Grants per­ in India, a book written by an expert of taining to the Ministry of Tourism and A. I. R; and Civil Aviation to provide more funds for (b) if so, the reaction of Government tourism in the Fourth Five Year Plan ; thereto ? and (t# If to, the M tib a of Government Id THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE M matter ? MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRIMATI NANDINI THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SATPATHY) s (a) Yes. Sir. The book is MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI written by an ex-employee of AIR MOHAN DHARIA): (Is) Yes, S*. (b) The author has expressed his perso- f t Tfe stiffjesiioKp w)H to nal views, HI is hpc to do so. They 95 Written Answen AUGUST 11* 1971 Written Antwen H not represent the views of the Govern- to or lorn of fishing implements ment. according to the existing procedure through a special committee including representatives Representation received from displaced of the State Government and the Fishermen families near Thumb* Rocket Welfare Committee. Station (Kerala) ISRO will give training to 100 persons from the evicted people, for a period of three 7648. SHRI M. K. KRISHNAN months, : in two batches of 50 each, for Class Will the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY ill and Class IV jobs. After training, those be pleased to state : who are found suitable by ISRO Selection (a) whether Government have received Committee will be absorbed as and when any representation from the displaced fami­ vacancies occur, but no guarantee of em­ lies near the Thumba Rocket Station in ployment can be given. ISRO will give Kerala ; and some weightage for the evicted people for employment in Class III and Class IV non­ (b) if so, their main demands and the technical posts. A few deserving students action proposed to be taken to concede from the evicted families can be considered those demands ? for awarding scholarships by ISRO to THB PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER pursue studies in the existing Industrial OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF Training Institute. HOME AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF It is not possible for ISRO to establish INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING 4 Fishing Harbour as demanded by the (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI) : (a) and Association. (b). Yes, Sir. Their main demands and the action taken in this connection are given in Contempt of Court proceedings against D. O., the statement attached. P. & T., New Delhi and Senior Supdt., R. M. S. Statement Main demands of PaUttiwra Veti Welfare 7649. SHRI M. K. KRISHNAN : Will Association the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state : 1. Accommodation for evicted fami­ lies, community facilities, compen­ (a) whether the attention of Govern­ sation for damaged nets, training ment has been drawn to the fact that a facilities, fishing harbour, J tc . Division Bench of Kerala High Court Issued notices to the Director General of Posts and 2. Appointment in ISRO of local Telegraphs, New Delhi and the Senior candidates sponsored by the Asso­ Suprintendent of the Railway Mail Services, ciation from time to time ; Ernakulam Division, directing them they 3. Reservation of 50% of posts in show cause why to should not be commit­ Class III and Class IV for local ted for contempt of C ourt; people; and (b) if so, the details thereof; and 4. Representation for Association (c) the reaction of Government there­ on ISRO recruitment commit­ to 7 tees. The Collector of Trivandrum convened a THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ meeting on July 17 and 19, 1971 to discuss TIONS ( SHRI H. M. BAHUGUNA): (a) these demands with the representatives of Yes, Sir, the Association and ISRO. After considera­ (b) and (c). Shri Gopinath, a Sorter ble discussion, amicable settlement has been of RMS ‘EIC* Division, Kerala Circle reached on all the issues raked by the and certain other temporary employees like Association. According to these, for reha- him had their services terminated under bllittUion of evicted people, the State Rule 5 of the CCS (TS) Rules, 1965 for Government will provide tenements. ISRO their participation in September, 1968 strike. he* already deposited with the State Govern- Shri Gopi*uh fltod a Writ Petition sgafast meat the amount of compensation. Com- the termination of services in the Kenla pmt SRAVANA 20, 1*93 ($AXX) Written Am eers 9$

termination on 11.2.69. Subsequently a caused to the fishing nets due to the spliqttf Letters patent Appeal against this decision rockets; and was filed by the Department and the High (c) if so, the action so far taken or pro* Court rejected the same on 5.1.1971. The posed to be taken in the matter 1 High Court also refused permission on 22 6,71 to appeal to the Supreme Court. It THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER is therefore, proposed to appeal to the OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF Supreme Court in the matter. HOME AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF In the meanwhile a notice of contempt INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING was received from the High Court. The case (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI) ■ (a) was fixed for 3rd August, 1971, but was not Yes, Sir. There have bpen some instances heard on that date. of damage caused to the fishing nets due to debris of rockets in the ocean, but no damage to any othei properties has been Indo-Tibet Border Police reported. 7650. SHRI PARIPOOr.NANAND (b) and (c). A special committee inclu­ PAINULI Will the Minister of HOME ding representative* ot Fishermen, the AFFAIRS be pleased to state : Government of Kerala and 1SRO investiga­ tes into complaints of damage to fishing (a) whether the Indo-Tibet Border nets and ba*ed on their findings compensa­ Police authorities have branded Tehri- tion is given. Garhwal people as Communists and for that reasons jobs have been denied to them and the services of many others, serving in the Export of Computer ‘Software’ Indo-Tibet Border Police, have been termina­ ted ; 7652 SHRI R. P. DAS : Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : (b) if so, the reasons therefor ; and (a) whether Government’s attention has (c) how many persons from Tehri- been drawn to a survey report which was Garhwal have been employed in the Indo- conducted at the instance of the U. N. O. Tibet Border Police during the last three recently about the popularity of computers years and, if so, the particulars thereof ; and THE MINISTER OI< STATE IN THE (b) whether Government are now in a MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI position to export computer Soft-Ware’ to K C. PANT) : (a) No, Sir other countries ? (b) Does not arise. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) 149 persons were recruited from the MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Tehri-Garhwal area during the three years, K. C. PANT): (a) Government of India 1968—1970. is aware of the findings of the survey con­ ducted by United Nations with the aim of Damage caused to the properties of fishermen obtaining an idea of the number of compu­ by splinter Rockets fired from Thumbs ters in developing countries and their use. T!*e survey brought out that amongst the Rocket Station developing countries, three had no computers 7651. SHRI M. K. KRISHNAN • and five had only one computer each. The computers installed in India in 1968 were WUI the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be 111, (though the number in 1970 rose to pleased to state : 126), followed by 33 in Chile and 14 ip Ca) whether the attention of Government the Republic of Korea, Trinidad and has been drawn to the damage caused to the Tobago. The survey has brought out that fehing nets w d properties of fishermen the computers in developing countries are living in the precincts of the Thumba used for work relating to demography, Rocket Station, Trivandrum (Kerala) due to census and Government administration and Jltt sp^ter rocUts fired from that sta- accounting. These applications are similar to those first made, when computers were (b*Hvbetherany*eps U m * a m tafcan introduced in the public factor. in the indus- 9J Written Answers AUGUST 11, 1971 Written Answers 100 that computers are especially important in ing a crisis for the India coffee industry the essential role technology has to play in and reducing disparitie<; between the rkh and (b) if so, the steps Government propose the poor countries. to take to help the industry in the '-,

(b) In view of the availability of a large crisis ? A number of technical personnel at compara- tively lower wages in India, there is, in THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE principle, good potential for the develop- MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI ment of computer software for export. A. C. GEORGE) : (a) No, Sir. Successful softwan: expon does not depend (b) Docs not arise. on this factor alone and there are other organisational features to be met. Govern- Export of Coffee to Latin American and ment sometime back took a deci5ion to allow African Countries the import of computers unaer certain conditions to promote the growth of 7655. SHRI DINEN BHATTACHAR- export-oriented ~oftwarc generation activi- ~\ A YY A : Will the Minister of FOREIGN ties. TRADE be pleased to state : Detention of Ex-M.L.A. and Ex-M.P. (a) whether Government have ever ex- without trial plored the possibility of exporting Coffee to Latin American or African coun1ries ; 7653. SHRI R. P. DAS : Will the and Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to (b) if so, the particulars thereof '! state : (a) whether Dr. Gola•n Yazdani, Ex- THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE M L.A. and Syed Badrudduja, Ex-M.P. MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI of West Bengal are being detained still with- A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b). There is out trial under the Maintenance of Internal no question of exploring the possibility of Security Act ; and exporting coffee to Latin American or African (b) if so, the reasons for delay in prose- countries as these countries themselves are the leading exporters of coffee. cuting them in a Court of Law 'I

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND Export of Surplus Raw Rubber and Rubber IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON- manufactured Goods NEL (SHRI RA.M NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and tb). Inquiries in regard to the 7656. SHRI DINEN BHATTACHAR- involvement of Shri Syed Badrudduza and AYYA : Will the Minister of FOREIGN Dr. Gbolam Yazdani in espionage activities TRADE be pleased to state : for Pakistan are still in progress. They (a) whether Government are studying have been, however, detained, with a v1ew to the possibilities of exporting surplus raw preventing them from acting in a manner rubber ; prejudicial to the security of India, and (b) whether Government have got any reference made in that connection to the response from any country which normally advisory board, in accordance with the pro- purchases rubber from Malayasia ; visions of Maintenance of Internal Security Act, 1971. The advisory Board has reported (c) if so, the particulars the1eof ; that there is in its opinion sufficient cause (d) whether Governrrent have any plan for their detention. to export rubber manufactured goods ; and ~ Crisis in Coffee Industry (e) if so, the broad outlines of the Plan? 7654. SHRI DINEN BHATTACHA- RAYYA: Will the Minister of FOREIGN THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE TRADE be pleased to state : MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI (a) whether the demand for coffee in the A. C. GEORGE): (a) to (c). The Go- int9rnational market has fallen steeply creat .. vernment h~s recently been exploring th~ 101 W rtttm Answers SkAVANA 30, 1893 (SAKA) Written A m m s m

possi bilities of exporting raw rubber. It is is controlled by a Superintendent in Uttar too early to indicate results. Pradesh ; and (d) and (e). The Rubber manufactured (c) if so, the seasons therefor ? floods ate already being exported. THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) vnw tar f r r r s m f t t Generally Post Offices and RMS Offices in a State are controlled by the Postmaster MR «PT 'Jlffl e^TTn jm General of the Postal Circle of that State itt pwfirtf but sometimes on account of the location of an office and administrative considera­ *RT fsf*W tions it becomes necessary to make a departure from this accepted principle. 7657. IT® 'SWftoirnwjT *rt% : WT (b) Yes, Sir. This office is under the ^ tpfy ?Tf ^TT% ^ 104

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Alleged arrert end manhandling of an are being exported to these countries by Advocate of Asaosol (West Bengal) merchant exporters.

Telephone and Telegraph services out of order Scheme to Export Snake Skin’s goods Instead between Calcutta and Dargapar of raw Snake Skins 7665. SHRI KRISHNA HALDER : 7663. SHRI JAGADISH BHATTA-WU1 the Minister o f COMMUNICA- CHARYYA : Will the Minister of TIONS be pleased to state : FOREIGN TRADE be pleased to state ; (a) whether the Telephone and Tele- (a) whether Government are exporting graph services connecting Durgapur with raw Snake Skins to U. K., U. S. A., West Calcutta had gone out of older on the 9th Germany, Italy, Yugoslavia and France ; July, 1971 due to underground cable (b) whether Government are contemplat- theft ; ing a plan to stop exporting taw Snake (b) if so, the details thereof; Skin to export finished Snake Skin’s goods ; (c) whether any stops have been taken by Government to apprehend the culprits (c) whether Government have ever and for proper functioning o f the Telephone explored the possibilities to export Snake and Telegraph services In Dnqapttr; Skin’s goods and clothes to European or and U. S. markets ; and (d) if so, the particulars thereof 7 w w sntf state seniority cases of some of the services of the State Government of Mysore are 'TCW rW *l?t 3IT pending with the Government of India ; * ;afft and (*t) w t t o * srftangr srrer ^ (b) if so, the probable date by which fY sfii f* V ft _ v — these will be completed ? stst nmminTT *pt tt w tpt fi«rf?r $ f%nrr m m m t ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND 5 5 inowmftr ftnum 3 ttw* IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) «N* (*ft xm finm f*m?): (*) and (b). A few references relating to fixa­ (*r). 5 «rrr, 1954 *t*tt m i tion of seniority of Mysore Officers are under examination and decisions on the Trfar % o & m * *r|» 1954 * same are expected to be taken very early. Iwftir srfow farc *rf eft wftK TTWT WTVTXf/ Folk Dialecte of India x m t o s w f f tfh ft «rl» 7669. SHRI B. V, NAIK : Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : w i s f o n t t (a) whether her Ministry has any infor­ («r) «toRT w water mation about the total number of folk dialects in this country ; and fcrr ror | fWCT irr^mwf (b) if so, how many such dialects are %«wn%sr vtom vm t**** «*** there in the whole country and in thp dis­ trict of Nflrtfi K aaw ? ¥ t % t o t w m * $ w r r % t e * w I l l m m rn Answers AUGUST- II, 1OT1 H U te f i t

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OP PLANNING (SHRA> MO* MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI HAN DHARlAi) : (a) to (c). That Go* MOHSIN): (a) and (b). No informa* vemment of West Bengal have already tion on ‘folk dialects’ as such is available. identified Suaderbans ansa in 24%Paiganas At population censuses data on mother district as a backward area. tongue are collected. The 1971 Census data are yet to be processed. According to the 196) Census, 1652 mother tongues were wt wjntir if wra w ft* ktt- recorded throughout the country and 37 in I5TT j m North Kanara district. tfw m v N r tf

Reorientation of Trade with Socialist Consoles 76 a . m ffw it srrrtt: *wr % 7670. SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR- wto r n qtftt fa : Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be pleased to state : (*u) w fs^K ^ Trsj'rfsr (a) whether Government propose to reorientate trade with the Socialist countries to ward off the adverse effects caused by the ^5TT | ; pressure of Sterling and British attitude towards the Indian textile goods ; and (b) if so, the main features thereof ? ^ *r fW w % «rt v m ir f ; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE («r) ^i^ rferj r t fafcre MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE srgpifa fttr ^ ^ tnmm | ? (SHRI A. C GEORGE) : (a) In view of recent developments, our exports to ail countries including Socialist countries *15 imrrwi 3 r m w ii («ft «wjr are proposed to be stepped up further. Export targets are being reviewed & raised «ror *m) : («f) (»r). toFt tfcrr ^ and attempts are being made to diversify sttrt ^ farr export products by introducing new varie­ ties/items not highertofore exported ; f m cT«TT ^TTRT (ffifarc) *T (b) To promote exports, several mea­ JTT^T TT^rf^T ^ ^ sures axe being taken such as ensuring of adequate raw material supplies at reasonable prices, modernizing of textile industry to fa i r m ^ttshr fa r rrtr f n meet demand for sophisticated goods, sates W T ^ SRfaffT ^ I promotion through market exploration, research and publicity. Abolition of Capital PoaiShiHBt Development of Stmdet-bans

7971. SHRJ MADHURYYA HALDAft : 7673. SEHHC. CHITTiaABU : Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : to state : Witt the Minuter o f HOME AFFAIRS (a) whether Government propose to be pleased to state : declare Sunderbaiu a major part of the 24 (a) whether the Centre has consulted Paraganas District, West Bengal as under­ the State Gdvewknawts ngafding afeolttffi developed area; of capital punishment; (b) if so, the main features theseof; (b) If so, the region of the State and Oovenvncnta in ft*matt*r ; aad (c) tit? time by which a decision is l$egr lo be takeb lit the matter ? ici wfcea the Bill to r m M w is m m w m i m a p WHttm Answers SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 114

THE MIMSTER OP STATE IN THF premises at Calcutta As a result of the MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND searches, some papers have been seized. IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL Further enquity in the matter is in pro* (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) gress. and (b). Yes, Sir. The majority of the State Governments are not in favour of the No special facility in respect of foreign abolition of capita) punishment. exchange was accoided by Government to the members of the organisation for above (c) The Law Commission have given trips. mature consideration to the question of abolition of capital punishment and submit­ ted their recommendations in their Thirty- Opinion of Telcphon Hvchange at Dewanhat fifth Report. The Report is still under in C'oocb-Beliar District (West Bengal) print. The Law Commission are in favour 7675. SHRI B K DASCUOWDHURY: of retention of capital punishment in the Win the Mini' tci o COMMUNICATIONS present state of the country. be pleased to Mate : Foreign Tours of Friends of Humanity (a) whcthci his Ministry has received a International representation from the people of Dewanhat in the District of Cooch-Bchar to open a 7674. SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : Willsmall Telephone Exchange there or to the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to extend Telephone facilities to the atea state : connecting dircctly with the C'ooch-BeJaar Telephone Exchange ; and (a) whether over hundred Indians in the months of June-July, 1971, visited over (b) if so, whether the same has been twenty countries in Europe, America and sanctioned and how soon the scheme will be Asia under the sponsorship of a Delhi implemented ? Organisation, named as the Friends of Humanity International ; THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ TIONS (SHRI II. N BAHUGUNA) : (a) (b) whether any foreign exchange was From the availab’e records it appears that allotted to the members of this group by the demand for individual private telephone Government; connections is not adequate to permit (c) whether the Enfoi cement Directorate opening of a telephone exchange economi­ or any other agency of the Government of cally. India carried out raids and searches in (b) A proposal for opening a Public connection with the foreign tours of this Call Office is under examination. If it is group and, if so, where the raids were found technically feasible and financially carried out and what was the outcome ; viable, it will be sanctioned Even after and sanction, due lo acute shortage of materials (d) whether Government have received scheme may take about 24 months or more any complaint about the serious malpractices for implementation. involving, inter alia, infraction o/ travel regulations and Foreign Exchange Regula­ Representation against local police officials of tions by the groups sponsored by the District Cooch-Bebar (West Bengal) Friends of Humanity International ? 7676. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND pleased to state : IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) to (a) whether in the month of April, last, (d). On receipt of information that about some representatives of the people of Dis­ 96 persons had gone abroad under the trict Cooch-Behar, West Bengal made a sponsorship of an organisation known as representation to the Inspector-General of Friends of Humanity International, New Police, West Bengal, stating clearly the Delhi, daring June/My J971 and that allegations against the local Police officials these persons had contravened foreign and also suggesting measures to improve $xchanfle regulations, the Directorate of law and order situation in thf Piftrfet; <*rri?d **r9hoa at 9crt*iq US Written Answers AUGUST 11, 1971 Written Answers 116 (b) i f so, whether any Action has been Refund of Security Deposit by Delhi taken on the said representation and, if not, Telephones the reasons therefor ? 7678. SHRI D. N MAHATA : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRI SHEOPUJAN SHASTRI: MINISTRY OP HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­ K. C. PANT) : (a) and (b). According TIONS be pleased to state : to the information received from the Go­ vernment of West Bengal, no 23rd April, (a) the usual time-lag in Delhi Tele­ 1971, Shri B. K Das Chaudhury, M P., phones between receipt of an application Shri Sunil Kar, a former M. L. A., Shri for refund of deposit and the actual return ; Arun Bhattacharjee and others met the and Inspector General of Police at Cooch-Behar (b) whether in spite of submission of and made several allegations against local all required documents, the Maharashtra Police Officers of Cooch-Behar in regard to Papers Ltd., (New Delhi Correspondent) has the investigations in specific criminal cases. not been returned the balance of security The Inspector General of Police inquired deposit even after one year ? into the allegations and found that the investigations were made according to the THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ law. The taw and order situation in Cooch- TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) Behar is under control. Facts are being One to three months after receipt of appli­ ascertained from the Government of West cation and the requisite documents. In Bengal in regard to the measures suggested disputed cases, the time lag is longer. fpr improving the law and order situa­ (b) No. The pai ty has not so far sub­ tion. mitted the documents called for on 6-10-70.

Prices of Newspapers Working of Electronics Commission

7677. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: 7679. SHRI D N. MAHATA : Will Will the Minister of INFORMATION & the PRIME MINISTTR be pleased to state : BROADCASTING be pleased to state : (a) since its inception, how many meet­ (a) whether Government have any pro­ ings of the Electronics Commission have posal to consider circulation, the news taken place ; and content, advertisement and pages of standard size of all daily newspapers published in (b) whether the Electronics Commission our country in order to fix priccs of news­ is working independently of the Atomic papers ; Energy Commission ? (b) whether the prices of daily news­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE papers in our country is not on the MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI basis of pages and other contents ; and K. C. PANT) : (a) Since February 1971, (c) if so, when Government are likely when it was set up, the Electronics Com­ to come to a decision in this matter ? mission has met four times. (b) Yes, Sir. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR Action against Persons for ignoring SINHA) : (a) and (c). Government has Instructions Regardit g Black­ been advised that the introduction of the out Exercise Daily Newspaper (Price and Page) Order would require an amendment of the Consti­ 7680. SHRI M. M. JOSEPH : tution. For the present, therefore, Govern SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : ment is considering oertain other measures SHRI DEVINDER SINGH to broad-base inter alia the ownership and GARCHA : management of newspapers. Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS (b) Yea, Sir. The prices of our Daily be pleased to state : Newspapers are not related tp the pages and (*) whether any action hat been taken ptbfr contents, ftpainst the penons and institution* whl<# 1*7 Written Answers SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers i l 8

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THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THF CRT*RT (^T^TT ^far) ^ ^ 4sl**»fc|< MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL ig&ti fa^rc I ; (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and , (b). Facts are being ascertained from the (^r) ff ?ft ^ cRT ? Government of Madhya Pradesh. w*ix w ft («ft ifw w j^*rr): (sp) fa^rc % TTFrergr $ n*for ftrfnc % inm gr far% 100 n * JTt^TRT, WTT 5T«FT*ft ft* q? fowr 3ft iwretf to w w w are (*wr jt^rr) ?mr Tsrrnreff % 7682. «ft WRo : WT ^ ZJ^TK ^ gTW ^ >Ftf wmx sffipt f t $

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sr??T I , tftaarf «r$$r %t y * % *rc *ft, $ *w> % f a r o r '3i«reT anw^i grr^ ^ i f^fn ^ %*rr 11 9pR9f v t *T? f ^ R T «PT Ttw ’Tft fW|TC $ WWftjt H ffT *T W foSTtft SffWT 2R I fw * T * T Enrolement of Pak Infiltrators as local 768*. *ft WTT° tfo * f : W population In Jammu and Kashmir fTOT* *T*ft SR1T% FTT fa : 7685. SHRI S. M. KRISHNA : Will (w) w r srerErft % m # r x f ^ f gr the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : % fa*TT Wsfto % fsr^TT TT53T $ OT5TJT (a) whether there is an increase in fa% *r ^ ^ 2 * < *rfa *r **r ^ population by two lakhs in Jammu Province aF?r »ft% ^ fsqsTfTO | ; and near about twenty lakhs in Srinagar ; (b) whether the local Papers have stated (sr) ^t, ^ W* w *p t o | ; that this increase in population includes Pakistani infiltrators also ; and %ftK (c) if so, how far the Central Govern* (*rj *nrr 3tt% ment have asked the State Government to find out the veracity of this allegation ? % vuiW ^ «pf^TT^f ?rk ?rf«rcr ^ 9? STmt ? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI w n x («ft |*w#V w p i w f p tr ) : MOHS1N) : (a) No. Sir. (v ) sfk (*sr). ST^gr % s rw % According to 1971 provisional census results the increase in 549, 844 in Kashmir 3r 801 ^ 60

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( *r ) ttwit pit m | ; f^ T O — « arte 1 s p w ft, 1971 ^ > ^ rr ^ 9fKcft*T (*r) sfrTfagri aft fafairt fr*r % w w f tfr *rwr «rt * h * m t o £ $*, HRsfto ftrfira %wr # <^ V'^IWU viftw? f 3 8 W m $ (fw t % tft «JTTfW | f3F# Trtw SF*> (*ft TW f«WW fiw f) : (* ) VRcfhT-fw^in' #37 v t TTfajfW ^ ’FT ^ 1 s m f t , 1 9 7 1 ^r, t o r ^ r *ftt) *ftt sft 1971-1979 % *teH fof- sremrfop % ?r^ff , 971 faf?r $3 srra f 1 srt f?r% *r*«r arr# *r mrtftor ftrfa*r $teT% $ « fa ( ^ f % ifr srrfaw I H #» . ... A . ^ A _ *v ... _ ^ /■*—O — fVjFT ^TTm*T TwT tfat m 34H*[Wf 1971 11 $ ¥ » T % I 1972 19 (w) *fte (*t). ^ t*tt *Y 1973 10 fin m ir (0 5wr (**) *f *ta«T f 1 1974 13 ftwTtjr— i 1975 9 l aprrft, 1971 * M - * r 1976 13 ^ ^riTcfttr sw w lH ' f o r $ *pt 1977 10 f ^ r w S5?*r s j j r s 1978 6 5# , 'm t f t e ftrfM r % sere* $ (fsrcr 1979 6 ^ STTfasr |, wator far^r $WJffoT 97 frrr qfr ^fogfar $ 3r yrr) 1 t f r t ssjtt Memorandum mbariUed by news CMeraMD stfsr-snisr 4 to Prime Minister srcnr 8 7690. SHRI RAMKANWAR : Will 13 the Minister of INFORMATION AND ^pTTTcr 6 BROADCASTING be pleased to state : (a) whether the accredited News ^f^rnjjr 6 Cameramen recently submitted a memo* 3 randum to the Prime Minister against the whimsical attitude of the officers of P.I.B., j?«q--sr^r 7 P.M’s Secretariat and security people about 12 pictorial coverage to the events of national importance ; 1 (b) whether the attention of Govern­ 3PSfalT 1 ment Ins been invited in this regard to a 4 report published in the Times of Ifidia of «th July, 1971; ftttd cTfWTT| 4 (c) if so, the neactkw of Govwnmertt in ^rR-ST^r 20 this regard ? trfiwRT sijtst 8 THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND §ir *ft»r: 97 BROADCASTING (SHRI B&AttAM Mtl SINHA): (a) No, Sir. 11$ Written Answers SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 126

(b) Yen, Sir. Supply of Atomic Power to Jaipur fron Atomic Power Station, Kota (c) Government's endeavour has always been to extend to accredited news camera­ 7693. SHRI N. K. SHARMA : Will men all possible facilities for pictorial the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be coverage. Whatever genuine difficulties pleased to state . they have will receive Government’s utmost (a) whether Jaipui is scheduled to get and urgent consideration for solution. Atomic Power from the Kota Atomic Energy Plant by December, 1971 ; Attack o b Calcutta Post Offlcc (b) if so, whether the work is progress* ing as per schedule ; and 7691. SHRI RAMKANWAR : Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be (c) if not, the reasons for the delay ? pleased to state : THE PRIME MINISTER. MINISTER (a) whether some extremist elements OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF attacked on a Post Office in Calcutta on HOMF AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF July 14, 1971 ; and INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI): (a) The (b) the details of losses to public pro* perty, etc. ? first unit of the Rajasthan Atomic Power Project is expected to attain crittcality in the first quarter of 1972. Full commission­ THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ ing can be expected a few months there­ TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) after. Power as available will be supplied Yes Sir, Satchaaipara Sub Post Office in to the Rajasthan State Electricity Board, North Calcutta Division was attacked on who are responsible for its distribution the night of 13th/l4th July, 71. within the State. (b) Some office furniture, records and (b) Work on the Rajasthan Atomic forms were damaged/destroyed by fire. Power Project is approximately three months There was, however, no loss of cash or behind the schedule announced last year. stamps. (c) The delay has occurred due to some construction problems. us* srfcr iff fcnifaft w fw r Community Television Set 7692. M : «PTT^ 7694. SHRI MANORANJAN HAZRA : *3 WWF* fT

(b) i f so, the salient features thereof ? films is in private hands, and so a n exhi­ bition and distribution of such films. Re­ THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE lease of a film in a cinema house is decided MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND between the producer and the distributor, BROADCASTING (SHR! DHARAM BIR on the one hand, and the exhibitor on the SINHA) : (a) No such proposal is at pre­ other, without reference to Government. sent under consideration. Government of India have no powers in (b) Does not arise. this respect as exhibition of films is a State subject. Government Buildings for Post Offices of Birbbmn (West Bengal) Film Finance Corporation Branch for Eastern Region 7699. SHRI GADADHAR SAHA . Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS 7701. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS be pleased to state : MUNSI : Will the Minister of INFOR­ (a) whether Government have any plan MATION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state : to construct buildings for housing the Branch Post Offices, which are housed in (a) whether there will be a separate the personal residences of the Branch Post wing of the Film Finance Corporation in Masters, Birbhum, West Bengal ; and Calcutta for eastern region ; and (b) if so, the names of Branch Post (b) if so, when ? Offices and the places where such houses THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE for the Branch Post Offices are proposed to MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND be constructed and when ? BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR THE MINISTER OF COMMUNI­ SINHA): (a) and (b) The Film Finance CATIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : Corporation will consider opening a branch (a) Branch Po«t Offices are mostly extra­ office in Calcutta when it finalises arrange­ departmental offices and departmental build­ ments to start its exhibition and distribution ings are not constructed to house extra- business. departmental post offices. Extra-depart­ mental postmasters are expected to provide Highest Foreign Exchange earning Commodity their own accommodation for such offices. in West Bengal (b) Does not arise in \iew of {a) above. 7702. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI : Will the Minister of FOREIGN Release of Films as per Priority date of TRADE be pleased to state the commodity, Censor Certificates amongst jute, tea and tobacco, earning the highest foreign exchange in West 7700. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS Bengal ? MUNSI: Will the Minister of INFOR­ THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MATION AND BROADCASTING be MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI pleased to state : A C. GEORGE) : Jute goods, Sir. (a) whether Government propose to maintain the release of films as per priority Setting up of Agricultural Farms by Officers date of Censor Certificates all over IndU of Punjab Government on Government *n the respective film producing States; owned Lands earmarked for Harijans and (b) if so, when and the manner in which 7703. SHRI B. S. BHAURA : Will it would be done ? the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF INFORMA nON AND (a) whether the Estimates Committee BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR of the dissolved Punjab Legislative Assem­ SINHA) : (a) and (b). It is presumed that bly has alleged that some influential Officers f!» question wfcw to refcawe of feature of the Punjab Government have set op Mg films In cinemas. Production of feature agricultural farms on the Government own*. 131 Written Answers AUGUST II, 1971 Written durwets

ed lands which were originally earmarked Broadcasting on this subject, which eon* for Harijan8 ; cerned both the Ministries. It would not (b> whether the Committee had demand­ be in the best interests of the country to ed that suitable action be taken against the divulge such internal governmental consul­ Officers concerned; and tations on d4y to d ay matters. (e) if so, what action has been taken against them ? Parting of Secretaries h Government Departments THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND 7705. SHRI SUBODH HANSDA : IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) • (a) to state : (c). The information is being collected and (a) the reasons for not posting a will be laid on the Table of the House. Secretary in the Department of Personnel ; (b) whether the Departments of Cul­ News-Print front Canadian Companies ture, Science and Technology will not have separate Secretaries ; and 7704. SHRI SUBHODH HANSDA Wlil the Minister of FOREIGN TRADF (c) whether the Secretary, Economic be pleased to state : Affairs has threatened to leave his cadre and the country, it transferred to any other (a) whether the Canadian newsprint Departments or to the Planning Commis­ companies and their cartels are creating sion ? difficulties for the supply of newsprint to India ; THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER (b) whether several Indian newspapers OF ATOMIC ENERGY MINISTER OF have been toid by these Canadian firms that HOME AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF they have not entered into any agreement INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING with the State Trading Corporation ; (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI) : (a) The (c) whether the Secretary of the Infor­ selection of a suitable officer is under con­ mation and Broadcasting Ministry has sent sideration. a communication to his Ministry about the (b) The Department of Culture is tem­ bungling of the State Trading Corporation ; porarily under the charge of the Minister of and Education and Social Welfare. The Sec­ (d) whether a copy of the letter men­ retary, Department of Education is looking tioned in part (c) above will be laid on the after the work of the Department of Table of the House ? Culture An Additional Secretary iocharge ha* taken over in the Department of Science and Technology. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (c) There has been no proposal to MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI transfer the Secretary, Department of Eco­ A. C GEORGE): (a) The STC has been ncaotiating the purchase of newsprint with nomic Affairs. individual suppliers and has already made arrangements for the import of newsprint New fncMftcnts for poets of D. G., A. ( . I t from Canadian Suppliers for the current end Chief of P. X. B. year as well as for import of some news* print

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) the steps taken by Government In MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND the matter ? BROADCASTING (SHRI MAT I NANDINI SATPATHY): (a) The post of Principal THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Information Offiicer which fell vacant on MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI the retirement of the previous incumbent A. C GEORGE): (a) to (c). Information has been filled on the recommendation of is being collected and will be laid oa the Depart menial Promotion Committee and in Table of the House. accordance with the recruitment rules. Selec* tion of an officers for the post of Director Marine products Export Development General, All India Radio which is due to Authority fall vacant in the latter half of August on the leiircirent of the present incumbent is 7709. SHRI C. MNARDHANAN • being mace in accordance with ihe recruit* Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE rreot rales. be pleased to refer to the reply given to (b) Copies of Recruitment Rules for the Unstarred Question No. 4128 on the 7th two posts are placed on the Table of the July, 1971 regarding the Marine Products House. [Plated in Library. See No LT— Fxport Development Authority and state : 885/71]. (a) whether the Marine Products Export Development Authority has since been set Arrest of persons under Violent Activities up ; and Act in West Bengal

7707, SHRI SAROJ MUKHERJEE : THE DEPUIY MINISTER IN THE Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI pleased to state: A. C. GEORGE) : (a) and (b). No, (a) the number of persons arrested in Sir. West Bengal under the Prevention of Violent Activities Act during the President’s Kerala's share in Marine Exports Rule in 1970, Coalition Government of West Bengal in 1971 and the President’s rule in 7710. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN: 1971 upto the 31st July ; Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be (b) ihe District-wise break-up of the pleased to state : number of persons arrested ; and (a) whether Kerala is having the lion’s (c) in which Divisions they have been share in exporting the marine products from detained in the jails ? India ; and (b) if so, the particulars thereof ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE K. C. PANT) : (a) to (c). Information MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI is being obtained from the State Govern­ A. C. GbORGE) : (a) and (b). Maximum ment. exports have been going through the ports located in Kerala. The particulars of such Implementation of demands of Tea gardens’ exports are given below staff and sab-staff asso cia te, Darjeeling Q : in Tonnes 7708, SHRI SAROJ MUKHERJEE ; Year V : in Rs.’OOO % to total SHRI RATTANLAL BRAHMAN: 1968-69 Q 18481 (68.93) Will tbe Minister of FOREIGN TRADE V 202451 (81.97) be pleased to state : 1969-70 * Q 22272 (7027) (A) whether Government have not im- V 272291 (81.38) plemented die clauses of the charter of 1970-71 Q 23896 (66.59) d S S T E m itted last year by the Tea V 275651 (78J9) Qwdens’ staff and Sub-Staff Association, 1971-72 Q 5593 (60.31) (April- V 65753 (73.03) June) f t ) if so, the reasons therefor ; and 135 W rttta A nw m AUGUST 11, 1971 Wrtttm M swert m

The se export figures include certain srcisrft vmforaf if «ih fw ft * quantities processed in the neighbouring States for shipment. snfta fiwwwKif

Proposal to develop Cashew plantation 7712 «*9r?3 jwwtwr 7711. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : ^ ^ fTCTT fa : Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to state : (*f ) «wt Hsrafrwl f, srRnssrwf (a) whether there is any proposal w r WFffSf srfcrfor sflr fosrsfr befere his Ministry to develop Cashew plantation with a view to achieve self- sufficiency in raw cashew nuts; («r) Jrfar $r, srwrc, y r (b) how much cashew nuts we have _v s. f»__v ______* —.

tion in the Sta*e, Sarvashri Jyoti Basu and (c) whether Government are aware of 'Haiiktiglme Konar sent a reply on the the successful efforts being made by Kenya 7th indicating their assessment of the to push its vegetable produce in the Euro­ situation and also their willingness to parti­ pean Markets ; and cipate in the discussions. Representatives of various po’itical parties considered the pro­ (d) if so, whether Government have blem in all its aspects on 7th, 19th, 20th studied these methods for implementation and 30th July. They adopted finally a for export of Indian vetetable ? resolution which, inter alia, unequivocally condemned murder and terror from what­ THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE ever quarter and decided that all political MINISTRY OF FORFIGN TRADE (SHRI parties wiO jointly oppose and resist murder A. C. GEORGE) : (a) and (b). In several and terror. tairs/exhibitions depending upon their scope (c) Attention is invited to the answer and character, canned Indian vegetable and given in this House to unstarred question fruits are exhibited No. 6183 on the 28th July, 197 f. All cases Under the scheme of promoting of murder are investigated according to Indian exports through Departmental Stores law in order to punish the guilty. abroad, a special display for food products vegetables fruits and flowers was organised Closure of Edward Textile Mills, Bombay in Zurich (Switzerland) duing the period 7-28 February, 1969. Apart from canncd 7714 SHRI SAMAR MUKHFRJEE . food and fruit products, the display also Will the Minuter of FOREIGN TRADF be covered fiesh frmts and vegetables sent by pleased to state Yadavendra Exports Private Ltd., New (a) whether the attention of Govern­ Delhi. The Exhibition opened up opportuni­ ment has been drawn to the closure of ties for buycr-seller contact between Indian Edward Textile Mills, Bombay wlndi is Fxporters and the massive organisation of closed for the last four yea s , Migros Departmental Store Zurich. (b) if so, the particulars thereof ; (c) and (d) Information is being collec* (c) the total number of workers ren­ ted dered jobless due to its closuie ; and (d) whether Go' ernment propose to Manufacture of T. V sets for eatebing take over the mills through the National satellite broadcasts Textile Corporation ? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 7716. SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH: MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to A. C. GEORGE): (a) No, Sir. According state whether sets being manufactured pre­ to the information available, the mill is sently in the country will be able to catch satellite broadcasts of T. V. or some special working. sets will be required for the purpose ? (b) to (c). Do not arise. (d) No, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Fatar Organised id Foreign Countries to K. C. PANT): Normaly, it would not be popularize Indian Vegetable and Fruits possible to receive television programme broadcasts relayed by a satellite on ordinary 7715- SHRI RANGABAHADUR conventional television sets. However, if SINGH ; Will the Minister of FOREIGN these sets are augmented with a small TRADE be pleased to state : antenna and a front and conventer, which (a) number of fairs organized by his would receive the comparatively weak singal Ministry in foreign countries especially to whicfi is frequency modulated and in the popularized the tale of Indian vegetable and ultra high frequency (UHF) band and con­ fruit products ; vert it to the very high frequency (VHF) (b) Jf so, when and where, and how band and amplitude modulation, then TV many Indian vegetable growers and foreign broadcasts relayed by a satellite can be prospective buyers attended such fair* ; viewpd on Uvese conventional sets. 139 Written Answers AUGUST 11. 1971 Written Answers .40

Cases of l a wl e~s nes s , murders and appointed an Investigation Committee to subrersive activities probe into the affairs of the Prabha Mills of Viramgam (Gujarat). 7717. SHRI ARJUN SETHI : Will (b) whether the said Committee has the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be submitted its report to the G'>vernment ; pleased to st ate "hethcr of the growing and lawlessness, rereated murders and constar:t (c) if so, the main features thereof? subversive activities in 0ne part of our country, Goverr.ment are going 1o ban su ch THE DE PUTY MINISTER IN THE organisa tions or political parties, which are MINIS l'R Y OF FOREIGN TR ADE (SHRI indulging in such neferious activities, by A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Yes, Sir. having fresh legislation ? (b) Yes, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE TN THE (c) The Committee considers the under- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI taking is a n economically viable unit which K. C . PANT): Government are determ ined is ma n uf.ttt~ ring round mesh mosquito net- to end the politics of murder and violer.ce ting and has recommended that its manage- in West Bengal. Al l possible steps preve n- m» nt ~ h ould be taken over by G overn- tive as well as penal, arc bei ng taken te ment. ·restore normal conditions in that State. There is, however, no proposal under consi- C!. sure of Prabha Mills Ltd., Viramgam deration, at present, to undertake legislation (Gujarat) enabling :1 ban on political parties indulging . in Naxalite-type activities. 71W SHRI P. M. MEHTA : Will the Minisln of FORETGN TRADE be pleased Information series unable to cope with to state : Demand for more Publicity (a) whether neat Jy 2,0()0 workers of the 171 8. SHRI ARJUN SETHI : \Viii Prabha Mill < Ltd .. of Viramgam, Gujarat -the Minister of INFORMATION AJ';D a' e out of employment due of the Prabha BROADCASTING be ple:tsed to state : Mill< Ltd. of Vi ramgam, since May, 1968; ancl (a) whether our J-oformation Services including the P.T.B. are now unable to 'rf>.cet (b) the action taken or proposed to be the d~mand of the people for more publi- tak en by Govern ment to re-start the city ; and Mill s? (b) whet J·. er Government are think in g THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE of overhaul ing or the reo rganisation of their MI N ISTRY OF FOR EIGN TRADE (SHRI Informal ion Services ? A. C. GEORGE) : (a l The mill closed TH E DEPUTY MI N!:-.;T ER IN THE down in Novem ber, 1970, afrecting about MINISTRY OF lN FORM ATlON AND 2,400 workers. BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BlR (b) The mi 1! has already l:cen Investi- SINHA) : (a) No, Si r. Government have no gati on Committee appointed under the In- reason to rei ieve that the Information Ser- dustries (De,·e!opment and Regulation) Act vices are unable to discharge tre responsi- and the Commit tee's report is under exami- bilities p!aced on them. nation. (t) The "orking of the Information Media i> ..:on~+ antly under review with a Expenditure h;curred on Chandrachud Inquiry view to extend their coverage and generall y Commission into the death of Shri Deendayal to imptw4.: their efficiency. Upadhyay

R<:port ~ ~ lnH ~li ~ation Cnl'mittee regarding 7721 SHR1 B. R. SHUKLA : Will Affa:rs cf Prabha Mills, Viramgam (Gujarat) the Minister of HOME Af'FA! RS be pleas- . ed to state the expenditure incurred by 7719. ~H RI P. M. MEHTA: Will Government in connection with the En- the Mini; ter of FOREIGN TRADE be quiry conducted by the Chandrachud Com- pleased to state : mission regarding the death of Shri Deen- (a) whether the Union Government had dayal Upadhyay, the Jan Sangh leader ? 141 Writtat ^ SRAVANA 20. 1893 (SAKA) Wrtttm A w n 142

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Central Government Clan I Officers MINISTRY OP HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Prosecuted inder Prevention of K C. PANT) : An expenditure of Corruption Act Rs. 73,941.37 Paise was incurred on pay and allowances to the staff of the Commis­ 7724 SHRI B. R. SHUKLA : Will the sion and T. A. to witnesses etc. PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : (a) the number of persons of Class I Expenditure Incurred in connection witb Service belonging to the Central Govern* Enquiry into Assassination of ment who have been prosecuted during the Mahatma Gandhi last two years under the Prevention of Corruption Act on the grounds that their 7722. SHRI B. R. SHUKLA : Will assets were out of proportion to t heir known the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleas­ sources of income , and ed to state : (b) their particulars ? (a) what further sums of money is incurred by Government in connection with THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Commission of Enquiry relating to the MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND assassination of Mahatma Gandhi , and IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL (b) what further sums of money is likely (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and to be incurred m further enquiry of the (b) During the period of 2 years from matter ? 4-8-1969 to 3-8-1971, the Central Bureau of Investigation prosecuted a former Assis­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tant Director General of Ordnance Factory, MINISTRY OF HOMF AFFAIRS (SHRI and a former Assistant Collector of Central K C. PANT) ■ (a) and (b). An expendi­ Excise, for alleged pos*e*sion of assests ture of Rs. 1,84,165 18 paise was ireurred disproportionate to their known sources of on pay and allowances to the Chairman incomc of the Commission and its staff and T.A to witnesses etc. There is no question of Penal for Promotion to Selection Grade Poets any further expenditure as the Commission of Central Secretariat Service concluded its worx and submitted its report on 30th September, 1969. 7725 SHRI SURENDRA MOHANTY • Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to ‘Made in India* mark on every Metre Length state of Export Oriented Textile Goods (a) whether the penal for promotion to the Selection Grade of the Central Secre­ 7723. SHRI B. R. SHUKLA : Will tariat Service which was due in 1970 has the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be been notified, pleased to state whether steps are proposed (b) if not, the reasons for delay and to be taken by Government to mark textile the s*eps Government have taken or pro­ goods exported to other countries as ‘Made pose to take to ensure the issue of Select in India* on every metre length in the List in time , manufacturing process itself to avoid mal­ practices regarding their sales in those (c) whether one or two members of tbe countries. Central Establishment Board do not attend meetings of the Boat J to finalise the Select THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE List; and MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI (d) if so, the steps being taken by A. C. GEORGE): Government have not Government to ensure that only those received any general complaint, as such, Officers are made members of the Board about textiles manufactured in India being who caft spare time for this work 1 marked and sold as originating in some other country. The system of stamping as THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE “ Made in India” on selvedge of every metre MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND of doth |a however in vogue in our “xports IN THE DEPARTMENT OF P&&9QHNEL o certain types of fubrios exported to (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIR&HM * (*> The Select List for tbe SelectW* G f* k o ftb e ^-----■— m : wrrmm mWHfS AUGUST 11. 1971 Written Answers 14&

C.SJS. for the year 1970 is in the process of by officers drawn from other Services like finalisation and is expected to be issued very the I.A S. etc. the Select Lists for Selection *aribr. Grade of the C S.S are prepared in accor­ (tO The finalisation of the 1970 Select dance with the provisions of the C.S.S. XJtt has been delayed somewhat because Rules, 1962 and the Promotion Regulations it took time to fix the strength of the Select issued thereunder in 1964 in consultation List, in amending the regulations laying with the Union Pub’ic ServKC Commission. down the composition of the Silwuon The Regulations provide inter ctia that the Committee anJ the time taken by the latter Selection Committee for preparation of the in considering all the cise* within the zohe Select List s.iall consist of the Secretary, of consideration. Go eminent have since Department of Personnel as Chairman, three laid down a time schedule for preparation other Secretaries to tlie G ivernment of India and issue of such Select Lists. and the Establishment Officer, as members. The composition of the Selection Committee (c) No, Sir. conforms to the pattern of the Central (d) Does not arise. Fstablishment Board on whose recommen­ dation appointments to all the posts of Deparflneatal Promotion Committee Deputy Secretary and equivalent at the Centre are made. In view of this, the ques­ 7726. SHRI SURENDRA MOHANTY;tion of discrimination in the case of C.S.S. Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to Officers does not arise state : Import of Menthol (a) whether no Central Secretariat Ser­ vice Officer is a member of the Departmen­ 7727. SHRI ANAND SINGH • Will tal Promotion Committee which makes the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be selection for promotion to the Selection pleased to state the quantity of Menthol Grade of the Service ; imported last year from foreign countries (b) whether all other Central Services in the form of crystals of oil ? Class I Officers of the Service concerned are members of the Departmental Promotion THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Committee in addition to the Chairman/ MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI Member of the Union Public Service Com­ A. C GEORGE) • During last year i e mission ; and 1970-71 (from April, 1970 to Jannary, 1971) (c) if replies to parts (a) and (b) above 147 kilograms of menthol was imported and are in the affirmative, the reasons for this that too only from Fr ince Import statistics discrimination in the case of ihe Central beyond January. 1971 are not yet available Secretariat Service Officers 7 Separate statistics relating to import of menthol in the form of crystals and liquid THE MINISTER OF SI ATE IN THE are not available. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AMD IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL Vacant Pests of L. S. G Monitors fa (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) (a) to P.M.G’s. Circle, Orissa (c). The required information in respect of ail' Central Services Class I is not readily 7728. SHRI A. C. DAS : Will the available In the case of Indian Audit And Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleas­ Accounts Service, Indian Defence Accounts ed to state : Service, the Revenue Service and Indian (a) the number of posts of Lower Selec­ Postal Service, the position, however, is that tion Grade Monitors lying vacant in the members on the respective Service are asso­ Post Master General’s Circle, Orissa ; ciated with the Departmental Promotion Committee in addition to Chafcman/Member (b) since how long these posts have of the Union Public Service Commis­ remained vacant; and , sion. (o) how many are officiating in these In the Central Secretariat Service, tike posts ? Seleotida Grade comprises of posts of De- THE MINISTER OF COMMUNI­ p<*y Secretary and equivalent which being CATIONS (SHRI H. M> BAHUGUNA) : «e4rior*dminkr*tiv*p

(Monitors) are lying vacant in Orissa *rf< w ft srvdw ffaft ift w*f # Circle srrer ifhc * |f gffcrr & m (b) Three posts arc lying vacant for less than one year, four pests are lying vacant sssrr* $t, eft *rfc srtf «n€f for less than two years and three posts are fa w r % srfinfaeT qnrt: ^ v m $ ft ^ lying vacant for less than three vears (c) Eight officials are officiating against for* $t eft fa w *fK »trA % these posts in local arrangements, as selected ?twr

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? w rc f t m t o t $ j srwif «r? P m $ 1 1 147 Written Answers AUGUST 11, 1971 Written Answers 148

(*T ) sfaft % %tr MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRIMATI NAND1NI 50 fasfrfter *rwft i SATPATHY) : Under the existing orders, l£© *fto rrtfo ?TR0 ^TT qfV ^ sfTTfV I Government's permission is not necessary for forming employees1 Unions. sfa «nr tffaer fn^fT it srsrser 11 w fa q ^ *^ T T STfcT spf&T % fa S^THT Foreign Exchange earned by Export of Fish faRT PRT 5W ^ 0* f t 3TH^TT I 7733. SHRIMATI BIBHA GHOSH: Confirmation of A.I.R. and T.V. SUIT Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be pleased to state the total foreign exchange 7731. SHRI S. P. BHATTACHARYYA: earned by exporting fish during the year* Will the Minister of INFORMATION from 1968 to 1970 ? AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state: THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (a) the total number of staff in the All MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI India Radio and T.V. (Broadcasting Depart­ A. C. GEORGE) : The total exports of fish ment) ; and fish preparations during the years 1968- (b) the number out of them who are 69 and 1969-70 were as follows : temporary and the number who have been Year Value declared permanent, Gardewise, and the reasons for not making the temporary 1968-69 Rs 22 17 crores employees permanent ; and 1969-70 Rs. 30.83 crores (c) the steps being taken to change temporary posts into permanent ones and to Meeting of Engineering Export Promotion convert 80 per cent of the temporary posts Council into permanent postb, which have been in existence for more than three years ? 7734. SHRI K. MALLANNA : SHRI S. M. KRISHNA : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRI M. M. HASIIIM : MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE BROADCASTING (.SHRIMATI NANDINI be pleased to state : SATPATHY) : (a) and (b). The informa­ tion is being collected and will be laid on (a) whether a meeting of the Engineer­ the Table of the House. ing Export Promotion Council was held on (c) Conversion of temporary posts into the 19th July, 1971 ; and permanent ones is reviewed annually and (b) if so, the decisions arrived at in the 80% of temporary posts that have been in meeting ? existence for more than three years and are THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE required on a long term basis are declared MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI permanent. Such orders as a result of the A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b). A meeting last review were issued in July, 1970. The of the Engineering Export Promotion next review in relation to the staff strength Council and the representatives of the as on 1*3-1971 is being made. Ministries of Steel and Mines and Foreign Trade was held on the 19th July, 1971 No Union for Employees of Broadcasting decision was taken in the meeting. However, Department the problem of steel shortage affecting export production and other procedural matters 7732. SHRI S. P. BHATTACHARYYA: relating to its supplies were discussed. Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to Paid Members on Censor Board state whether the employees of the Broad­ casting Department are allowed to form 7735. SHRI K. GOPAL: Will the their I ’tUon and, if not, the reasons there­ Minister of INFORMATION AND for ? BROADCASTING be pleased to state : THE M W ! ? * OF STATE IN tU p (*) wjwth* tjiere J* *n y propos^ to Written Answers SRAVANA iO* 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 156

have paid members on the Censor Board ; ?TOT srsft and (b) If so, the particulars thereof ? cfto trrfawTifV Trf®£V arcfa n r *TR5r *r tM * THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND *rt«rc if | M ; BROADCASTING (SHRIMATI NANDINI f a ) m r tottt spt ir$ irrfs $ SATPATHY) : (a) and (b). One of the recommendations of the Enquiry Committee fa 22 f?T; 1971 % ‘ZTV* # iw T ’ on Film Censorship is to set up an indepen­ if 5R5T%?T flPW R % fa?U dent self-supporting Central Board of Film Censors with 20 full-time paid members. gnar sr^r % t w form ftwf): fa) fa), motion to Class II posts ; sr^r *r^r sm f t ^ (b) if so, how many persons qualified ; and Sf^fR tT^fr fasprr tfaPP f^RTT, SPT^ (c) how many of them have been ?ftrT «TRTfcpT ^ftRT9rR promoted so far ? p ’ff ? ^ t?t «Pt *n*r THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ 10 ft 'TT’T who qualify m the examination. Hence, all those who qualify are not promoted until «ft 1 s fa m rr ?T^?, ffTf^T 3fft they are selected by the Departmental ^Ef3T afvT Promotion Committee. ^TRcf if sft at^rfcf ?t*if «fy I % tftf f r t t fa rm ( w t sftsr) 8 anfltfV srfirf^r * * arr^ft ^ cn5r *r^ 1 1 fa?TT ggreSTffC »TT* if nfwfwftwTf if v m m 'm % 8 W faw t ^ 5?*rr % ^ m*$f % | «ftrPpcwrTfa% ^ 11 7737.

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Administrative Reforms Commission that all Pension Roles fn Goa, Daman and Din necessary steps should be taken to reduce and eliminate the dependence on deputa- 7742. SHRI ERASMO DE SEQUEIRA: tionists in manning posts in the public Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS bo sector has been accepted by Government; pleased to refer to the reply given to and Unstarred Question No. 1135 on the 14th July, 1971 regarding retirement age of (b) if so, the steps so far taken to employees in Goa, Daman and Diu and implement this recommendation ? state :

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether under the old Pension MINISTRY OF HOMF AFFAIRS AND Rules, a certain minimum service was IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL required to qualify for pension and, if so, (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and the length of this minimum service ; (b). Pursuant to the recommendations of (b) the pension payable under these old the Administrative Reforms Commission in Rules to an employee who had completed 9 their Report on “Public Sector Under­ years of service and was forced to retire taking”, Government have decided to reduce consequent upon the reduction of retirement the dependence of these enterprises on age from 65 to 58 years ; deputationists from the civil services. Accordingly, the deputationists to the Public (c) whether any contributions would have Enterprises from the civil services (excluding been paid by such an employee to the the officers of the Industrial Management Pension Fund and, if so, the quantum of Pool) and deputationists from the Defence such contributions ; and Services other than those employed in (d) whether these contributions were Defence Production Undertaking* have been repaid to such employees ? required to exercise an option either to be permanently absorbed in the undertakings where they are employed on resignation THF MINISTER OF STATE IN THE from Government service or to revert to MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI their parent cadres within specified time­ K. C. PANT): (a) Under the old Pension limits, which have been set. Rules, a minimum service of 15 years was required to quailfy for pension. In actual practice, in computing 15 years of qualifying ARC’s Recommendation on Voluntary service, a concession of adding l/5th of tbe Retirement of Government Officers actual service was allowed thereby making 12$ years effective service only. 7741. SHRI ERASMO DE SEQUEIRA: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to (b) Nil. state : (c) Whether any contribution would (a) whether the recommendation of the have been paid by such an employee to the Administrative Reforms Commission that a Pension Fund would depend on the status Civil Servant may be allowed to retire of the employee, whether he was a regular voluntarily after he has completed 15 years employee holding a pensionable post or only of service and given proportionate pension an ad-hoc appointee. It was optional for and gratuity has been accepted by Govern­ ad-hoc appointees to make contribution to ment ; and the Pension Fund. Quantum of contribution to the Pension Fund was 5% of the basic (b) if so, the progress made in the pay in the case of those drawing upto implementation erf this recommendation ? Rs. 200/- p.m. and 6% above Rs. 200/- p.m.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) Contributions made to the Pension MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND Fund were not refundable. However, the IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL refunds of contributions were paid as a (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) i (a) and special case to employees belonging to (b). The recommendation of the Administra­ Transposes Aereos da India Portuguese t e Reforms Commission is coder which Organization was abolished soon Consideration of the Government. after liberation. 155 Written Answers AUGUST 11, l t f l Written Answers iS6

Part-Time Correspondents of A.I.R. Thereafter, telex service will be available from Bhubaneswar to all telex centres in the 7743. SHRI S. S. MOHAPATRA : country including New Delhi. Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state Teleprinter Service In Orissa Post Offices whether Government are considering to increase the salary of the part-time Corres­ 7746. SHRI S. S. MOHAPATRA : Will pondents of the All India Radio from the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be Rs. 100 and give them facilities of phone to state the number of Post Offices in and other benefits ? Orissa which are having teleprinter ser­ vice 7 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ BROADCASTING (SHRIMATI NANDINI TIONS (SHRI H. N, BAHUGUNA) : SATPATHY) : No Sir, there is no such Three. Besides, four more Post Offices proposal under consideration at present. will be working on Teleprinters very However, the salary of some of the part-time shortly. Correspondents of A.I.R. has been fixed at Rs. 125/- p m. Government quarters for Rourkela P & T staff Difficulty for criminals in rehabilitating themselves after coming out of Jails 7747. SHRI S. S. MOHAPATRA : Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS 7744. SHRI S. S. MOHAPATRA : be pleased to atate whether Government Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be are considering to have quarters for pleased to state whether Government are the Posts and Telegraphs staff of Rour­ aware that criminals who, by their good kela ? conduct have remission of jail sentence, are finding it difficult to rehabilitate themselves THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : after coming out of Jails and whether there Yes, Sir. 73 units of quarters stand sanc­ is any specific policy of Government in tioned for construction. regard to the rehabilitation of such persons ? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Export of spices MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI MOHSIN) : The subject of ‘Prisons and 7748. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : Prisoners* falls in the State field. However, Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be the problem of rehabilitation of prisoners pleased to state : after their release has been considered in (a) the steps taken to increase the various committees/seminars and in accord­ export of spcies ; ance with their recommendations States have been advised to have a proper aftercare (b) whether as a result of these steps service by adequately strengthening the there has been any increase in the ex­ State Jail Department. port of spices during the last two years ; (c) if so, the extent of increase registe­ Telex; Service between Bhubaneshwar red ; and New Delhi (d) the total amount of foreign ex­ 7745. SHRI S. S. MOHAPATRA : Will change earned through export of spices in the last two years ; and ihe Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state whether Government are (e) what is the trend of export in the considering to have Telex-Service between current year ? Bhubaneshwar and New Delhi ? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : Yes. A. C. GEORGE): (a) There is ao Ex- Sir. A 50—line telex exchange has been port Promotion Council for spices which planned at Bhubaneshwar and is expected also has an office in Brussels for exploring to be commissioned by middle of 1972. Western European Markets. For Cardamom, 157 Written Answers SRAVANA 20, 1893 (&UC4) Written Answers 15ft there i s a Board which looks after all the (c) to (e) A statement is laid on the problems of this commodity. table of the house. (b) Yes, Sir.

STATEMENT

(i) Export of Spices from India during the financial year 1969*70 and 1970-71. Year Quantity in Value in Metric Tonnes lakhs Rs. 1969-70 43,974.5 3447.97 1970-71 46,373.1 3786.29

(11) Comparative Statement for export of spetces during April-May 1970 and April-May 1971

April-May 1970 April-May 1971 Qty. in Value in Qty. in Value in Metric Tonnes lakhs Rs, Metric tonnes lakhs Rs.

5527.6 399.16 10,083.3 539.89

Demand for funds by Rural Electrification (b) the names of countries to which Corporation these were exported ; and (c) the foreign exchange earned there­ 7749. SHRI K. KODANDA RAMI from ? REDDY : Will the Minister of PLANN­ THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE ING be pleased to state . MIN1TRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI (a) whether the Rural Electrification A. C. GEORGE) . (a) and (b). The num­ Corporation has asked the Planning Com­ ber of radio receivers and transistor radios mission for more funds m the re-appraised exported during the last 3 years and tht Fourth Plan ; value thereof are as below : (b) if so, the amount asked for ; and Radio Receivers (c) the response from the Planning Year Quantity (Nos) Value Commission ? (Rs. /lakhs) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1968-69 318 0.49 MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MO­ 1969-70 2202 4 38 HAN DHARIA): (a) No, Sir. But the 9.90 requirements of the R. E. C. will be 1970-71 11963 kept in view in the reappraisal of the Fourth (Apr .Jan.) Flan. Transistor Radios (b) and (c). The question does not 1968-69 5994 809 arise. 1969-70 33564 26.69 64386 49.60 Export of transistors and radios 1970-71 tApr. Jan). 7750. SHRI M. M. HASHIM : Will (b) Indian radio receivers and transistor |he Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be radios are being exported to about 50 coun­ pleased to state : tries jncMfos the following nutfor countries: (a) the number of transistors and radiosSudan, U .K., Ethiopia, Iraq, Congo Re­ public, V. A. R., C?wbo8l*v*kia etc, Hportfg 4«rinf the la*t jr^an ; 159 Written Answtrs AUGUST U, 1971 Wrtnm Amur* m

Fourth Atoms Cor Peace Conference to be much lower than the original rates), by held at Geneva I. A. T. A. to which Air India is a member. Any further reduction, besides being un­ 7751. SHRI M M. HASHIM : Will economical is also unlikely to be agreed by the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be other members of the I. A. T. A. pleased to state the names of officials who will represent India at the Fourth Atoms Theft of a motor-car from North Avenne, for Peace Conference to be held at Geneva New Delhi later this year ? 7753. SHRI P. M. MEHTA : Will THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF pleased to state ; HOME AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (a) whether Government are aware that (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI) : The a motor-car was lifted from the M. Ps’ Flat Indian representatives at the Fourth Inter­ in North Avenue, New Delhi; national Conference on the Peaceful Uses (b) whetuer Government received any of Atomic Energy to be held in Geneva complaint from MPs in this regard ; and from September 6 to 16, 1971 will be : (c) if so, the action taken thereon ? J. Dr. Vikram A. Sarabhai Chairman THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Atomic Energy Commission and MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Secretary, Department of Atomic K. C. PANT) : (a) to (c). A Fiat Car Energy. bearing registration No. DLV 6020 was 2. Shri M. S. Pathak, stolen on 29th November, 1970, while it was Member, Planning Commission. parked in front of Flat No. 187, North 3. Shri P. N. Haskar, Avenue, New Delhi. Certain Members of Par­ liament had written about this theft to the Member, Atomic Energy Commission. Prime Minister and the Minister of State in the Ministry of Home Affairs A case under 4. Shri H. N. Sethna, Section 379IPC was registered at Police Member, Atomic Energy Station, Parliament Street, on 29th Novem­ Commission and Director, Bhabha ber, 1970. Despite the best efforts of the Atomic Research Centre. Delhi Police, the culprits not be apprehended 5. Shri V. C. Trivadi nor the soften car recovered. Indian Ambassador to Austria and Chairman, Board of Governors A Police out-post has been set up and International Atomic Eenergy round-the-clock patrolling done in the Agency. North Avenue area to avoid recurrence of such incidents. They will be assisted by Advisers, many of whom are authors of papers accepted for oral presentation. Pwchase o f Rsuiigani Coal House In Calcutta Review of Air freight on Mangoes 7754. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : 7752. SHRI M. M. HASHIM : Will Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be be pleased to state : pleased to state whether Government pro­ (a) whether at Calcutta a Raniganj pose review the air freight on mangoes with view to boost its export to foreign Coal House has been purchased by the a P & T Department; countries ? (b) if so, the reasons and cost thereof; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (c) the total carpet area of the rooms ; MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI and A .C. GEORGE): No,Sir. For aboost ajl the Commodities that are aattmtijr (d) how much of the total covered M ag exported from India specific rates •PM* is wvattftMt to tip * # T U n i l m t r t o n m trfl Written Answers SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 162 THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ (d) if so« the reaction of the Central TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) Government thereto ? No. Sir. The case is being processed. (b) The building if purchased will house THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE posts and Telegraphs offices and will cost MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI about rupees forty lakhs. MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) to (d). The reeent (c) Floor area is 63,000 Sq. Ft. proposals of the Government of Andhra Pradesh for selection of district of Cudda­ (d) 42,650 Sq Ft. will be available if pah and three other districts to qualify for purchased. concessional finance from financial insti­ tutions, have been considered -m J approved 4-Point formula for solution of Telengana for the purpose. Problem Identification of Backward District-Sized 7755. SHRI K. MALLANNA . Will Blocks in Andhra Pradesh for the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be Central Subsidy pleased to state : (a) whether there is a 4*Point formula 7757. SHRI K. KODANDA RAMI under discussion between the Chairman of REDDY : Will the Minister of PLAN­ of the Telengana Praia Samiti and the Cen­ NING be pleased to state : tral leaders ; (a) the names of the backward District- (b) if so, what are the broad features of sized blocks in Hndhra Pradesh, identified the formula ; and yet to be identified, for purposes of a (c) whether the question of leadership 10 per cent subsidy of the fixed capital in­ of Andhra Pradesh is to be decided by the vestment by a new Industrial Units ; Prime Minister : and (b) whtther the Government of India (d) if so, whether Government hive has been requested by the State Government arrived at any decision in this regard ? to declare Srikakulam and Cuddapah Dis­ tricts also as backward Districts for the pur­ THb MINISTER OF STATE IN THF. pose of special incentives for rapid indus­ MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI trialisation ; and K. C. PANT,: (a) to (d). There lias been (c) if so, what is the reaction of the further exchange of views with the Chair* Central Government ? man of the Telengana Praia Samiti and others on the problems of the Telengana THE MINISTFR OF STATE IN THE region. No definite conclusions have been MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI reached but discussions will continue. MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) The proposals of the Government of Andhra Pradesh for Non-inclusion of Cuddapah District in selection of two ‘areas’ to qualify for the Andhra Pradesh in the List of Dis­ 10 per ceat Central subsidy on the fixed tricts Selected for setting up 6f capital investment of industrial units, are Industries under consideration. (b) and (c). The State Government’s 7756. SHRI K. KODANDA RAMI proposals for the selection of the backward REDDY : Will the Minister of PLANNING districts of Srikakulam and Cuddapah to be pleased to state : qualify for concessional finance from finan­ (a) whether Cuddapah District in Raya* cial institutions, have recently been con­ laseema region of Andhra Pradesh has not sidered and approved for the purpose. bees included in the list of Districts selected for attending special consessions in the Suggestions by Andhra Pradesh Handloom matter of setting up of industries ; Advisory Board to Protect tlie Industry (b) if so, the reasons therefor ; (c) whether the Central Government 7758. SHRI K. KODANDA RAMI have received any representations from the REDDY : Will the Minister of FOREIGN St*t» Government and the Rayalaseema TRADE be pleased to state: pevelopment Bow! is this I w4 (a) the v m m t by thf A®4te* 163 Written Answers AUGUST 11. 1971 Written Answers 164

Pradesh Handloom Advisory Board to the THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Centre in order to protect the Handloom MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TOADE (SHRI industry in the country ; and A. C. GEORGE): (a) Production of (b) the reaction of the Centre in this tobacco during 1969-70 has been 338.2 regard ? thousand tonnes and excise duty realised therefor is Rs. 7719 lakhs. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (b) Yes, Sir. There has been fall in MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI the price during 1970-71 due to the increas­ A. C. GEORGE): (a) No suggestion has ed production of country tobacco this been received from the Andhra Pradesh year. Handloom Advisory Board. (c) Yes, Sir. (b) Does not arise. (c) (i) To find out markets foi disposal of accumulated stocks of Natu Disciplinary Action against tobacco in Andhra Pradesh, C. R. P. Constables and (ii) Postponement of period of re­ 7759. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will payment of crop loans sanction­ the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleas­ ed by the Banks to the growers. ed to state ' (d) Matter is under consideration (a) the number of Constables against whom disciplinary action was taken in the C. R. P. Battalions since 1969 and the Transfers of Police Officers in West Bengal complaints of victimisation received by Government against such disciplinary action 7761. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Wnl from the Constables so affected ; the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleas- (b) the steps taken to prevent the victi­ ed to state misation ; and (a) the total number of I.P.S. and other (c) the number of Constables dismissed cadre Police Officers who have been trans­ and the States to which they belonged ? ferred from West Bengal and the Calcutta Police to different Central Organisations in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the last three years ending July 15, 1971 MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI with their new postings ; and K. C. PANT) : (a) to (c). The information is being collected and will be laid on the (b) whether such large scale inter-change Table of the House. of Officers was necessary for administrative reasons ? Production of Tobacco THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 7760. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be K. C. PANT): (a) A statement is placed pleased to state : on the Table of the House. (a) the total production of tobacco in (b) Yes, Sir. Such deputation is pro­ the country and the excise duty collected by vided for in the IPS Scheme. The strength Government therefor; of the IPS cadre of each State includes a (b) whether Government are aware that certain number meant to be sent on depu­ in 1970-71 season the prices of country tation to the Government of India ; such tobacco has fallen down 100 per pent than deputation, apart from being necessary, the 1969-70 season ; provides the officers experience and training in higher and wider responsibilities, which

(c) whether Government have received will make them much more useful when

any memorandum from the growers to find they revert, then they would otherwise be. oat market for the disposal of their crop in the eeason ; and The State Police Officers are taken on (d) if so, the particulars o f the m ew* deputation on account of their experience WrWPwW •PfW Vilw ttoWrtH■•f 7 T"* 1 T #nd 10*1 fcJOWtodg*. Mi Written Answers SRAVANA 20. 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers i6i

Statement

Category of Officers No of Organisation to which deputed Officers

I. P. S. Officers 4 Intelligence Bureau 5 Border Security Force Ministry of Railways (Railway Board) National Police Academy Central Bureau of Investigation Government of Tripura Cabinet Secretariat Other Organisations

lotal 23

Deputy Superintendent of 6 Intelligence Bureau Police 7 Ministry of Railways (Railway Board) 5 Other Organisations

Total 18

Inspectors of Police. 3 Intelligence Bureau West Bengal 5 Central Bureau of Investigation 2 Cabinet Secretariat

Total 10

Assistant Commissioners, Calcutta Police 3 Intelligence Bureau

Total 3

Inspectors of Calcutta Police 2 Ministry of Railways (Railway Board) 2 Central JDetective Training School, Calcutta 5 Intelligence Bureau 2 Central Bureau of Investigation W ritten Answers AUGUST 11, W tl Written Answers Hft

A.I.R. Correspondents Abroad Extension in Service Granted to Central Government Employees 7762. SHRI P. ANTONY REDDY : Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND 7764. SHRI P. ANTONY REDDY : BROADCASTING be pleased to state : Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to (a) what is the total number of A I. R. state : Correspondents abroad ; and fa) the number of Central Government (b) how many of them are from the employees who have been given extension Central Information service, Press ^for­ in service after completing the age of 58 mation Bureau, and the All India Radio ? years as on March, 1971 ; and (b) the number of technical personnel THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE among them ? MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRIMATI NANDINI THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SATPATHY) : MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL (a) Full time 2 (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and Part time 4 (b). The information is being collected and will be laid on the Tabic of the House as Total 6 soon as possible. (b) The two full-time Correspondents are officers of the Central Information Ser­ Ceasefire Violations by Pak Army vice. The four part-time Correspondents are journalists, not in Government service. 7765. SHRI P. ANTONY REDDY : Will the Minister of HOME AhFAIRS be pleased to state : Posts Advertised by UJP.S.C. (a) the total number of ceasefire viola­ tions by the Pakistan Army Irom 1st July, 7763. SHRI P. ANTONY Rf-DDY : 1970 to 30th June, 1971 ; and Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to (b) the number of Border Security state : Force Personnel kidnapped by the Pakistan (a) the total number of posts advertised Army during this period ? by the Union Public Service Commission during 1970 ; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) the total number of applications MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND received for each post and the number of IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL persons called for interview for each post; (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and 1138. In all these cases ceasefire violation (c) the total amount of fees collected complaints have been lodged with the U. N. from the applicants ? Military Observers. (b) During this period, there were no THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE cases of kidnapping of Border Security Force MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND personnel in Jammu and Kashmir by the IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL Pakistan Army. (SHRI RAM N1WAS MIRDHA) : (a) 1,894 posts. Disruption of Telecommunications in Assam (b) 52,930 candidates applied for these posts and of these 10,668 candidates were 7766. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will called for interview. Break-up' post-wise the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be if being compiled and will be placed on pleased to state: the Table of the House as early as (a) whether Government are aware that possible. disruption in Telecommunications is becom­ (c) An amount of Rs. 3,50,361 was ing a daily feature in the Eastern States of ?«alised as application fee from the candi­ Assam, Meghalaya and Nagaland due to dates. wire cutting; and t«9 Written Answers SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 170

(b) i f so* the action taken in the (b) Remedial measures are engaging the matter ? attention of the Minister.

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA­ Representation by Small Scale Industries TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) ; (a) for issue of Licences to T. V. Yes, Sir. The incidence of copper wire manufacturers thefts has been large specially on ceitain routes in some of the States. 7768. SHRI JADEJA : Will the (b) The following steps have been taken PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : to minimise the menace of copper wire (a) whether Government have taken into theft • consideration the representations made by (i) The Chief Minister of the State has the Small Scale Industries in regard to the been addressed to direct the I. G. issue of licences to T. V. manufacturers ; Police to bestow special attention and on the problem and take early (b) if not, the reasons there for ? steps to prevent coppci wire thefts. THE MINISTER O F * STATE IN THE (n) Liaison is being maintained by the MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI departmental officers with the K. C. PANT) : (a) and (b) Government is police authorities with a view to aware of the representations made by tbe expedite investigation and pro­ Small Scale Industries in regard to the secution of the culprits. issue of licences to T. V. manufacturers. (tii) Some amendments to the Telegiaph Over 200 applications received from all Wire (Unlawful Possession) Act, categories of manufacturers are under 1950 are under consideration to consideration of the Government and provide for enhanced punishment decisions on these will be taken soon, keep­ to the culprits. ing in view the current industrial policies and other relevant factors. It is the intention (iv) Necessary steps to replace the to give preference to scientists/technicians, copper wire with copper-weld wire/ engineers, small scale units, and small scale ACSR wire on important routes consortia who have developed competence are being taken. m this field.

Factions Among Scientists in C.S.I.R. Memorandum Re. Grievances of Freedom Fighters 7767. SHRI JADEJA : Will the Minister of SC1FNCE AND TECHNO­ i m . SHRI VIJAY PAL SINGH : LOGY be pleased to state : Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state : (a) whether the Council of Scientific and Industrial Research is infested with politics (a) whether a group of freedom fighters and there ate factions among scientists as representing the Bharatiya Sangram Samiti stated by the Minister of Planning and had recently submitted a memorandum to reported by the Statesman on the 26th July, the President regarding their grievances ; 1971 : and (b) if so, what are the guevances men* (b) if so, the steps Government propose tioned in the memorandum ; and to take or have taken to remedy the (c) what action Government have taken situation ? to redress their grievances ? THE MINISTER OF PLANNING THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE AND MINISTER OF DEPARTMENT OF MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (SHRI K. C* PANT) : (a) to (c) Yes, Sir. A C. SUBRAMANIAM) : (a) The Minister memorandum has been submitted to the of Science and Technology during his recent President on behalf of Bhartiya Swantrata visit to the Central Scientific Instruments Sangram Samiti (Regd.), Delhi, mainly for Organization (C.S.I O.), Chandigarh observed the grant of business loans, pension to free­ th*t there is a food deal of factional politics dom fighters, for free medical treatment in within the C.S.I.R. Government hospitals, implementation of 17i Written Answers AUGUST 11,1971 Written Answers ii% pension s cheme, educational facilities to the Manufactare of TV-Cmn-Radio Set by children of freedom fighters, fixation of a an Award Winner quota for allotment of plots, issue of certi­ ficates and issue of invitation cards for 7772. SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY: national functions. Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to Freedom fighters are already being state : granted financial assistance and educational (a) whether a scheme for manufacture facilities in deserving cases and also being of TV-cum-Radio set of an award winner invited for Independence Day/Republic Day with practically cent per cent indigenous functions. No final decision on the other material and technical know-how is pending points mentioned in the memorandum has with the Department of Electronics since been taken. long ; and (b) if so, the reasons therefor ? Loans Advanced to Film Producers by Film Finance Corporation THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 7770. SHRI S. A MURUGANAN- K. C. PANT) : (a) and (b). In order to THAM : Will the Minister of INFOR­ meet the total requirements of Television MATION AND BROADCASTING be sets after new Television Stations are es­ pleased to state ; tablished during the Fourth Five Year Plan (a) the total amount of loans advanced period, applications were invited from all to the film producers by the Film Finance categories of manufacturers. Over 200 Corporation during last three years ; applications were received, one of which i& from Shfi Udham Singh, who has been (b) the quantum gone to films produced given an award by the Inventions Promotion in Hindi ; and Board far developing a TV set. The (c) the amount given for films produced applicant has indicated that he will need m Tamil and other South Indian languages ? import of components at Rs. 20 per set. Additionally, as in the case of all other THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE manufacturers, he will need TV tubes. MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND Whilst these are made by Bharat Electronics BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR they still involve an import content of SINHA) : (a) Film Finance Corporation Rs. 60/- per 19* tube. In view of the large Limited, Bombay, had advanced loans number of applications for a very large totalling Rs. 54,51,635/- to film producers capacity, it was felt necessary to carry out during the last three years. a detailed examination. This has been (b) Rs. 33,40,965/-. carried out and a decision will be taken (c) Rs. 4,79,171/-. soon. It is the intention to give preference to scientists/technicians and engineers who have developed competence. Conversion of P.T.I. and U.N.I. Into Trusts Restaurant pot up by Claridge’s Hotel 7771. SHRI G. VENKATSWAMY : at Expo-70, Japan Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state : 7773. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN ; (a) whether Government propose to Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be enact legislation to convert the P.T.I. and pleased to state : U.N.I. into Trusts ; and (a) whether the Claridge’s Hotel had (b) if so, when 7 put up a restaurant at the Expo-70 exhibition at Osaka, Japan ; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (b) the extent of profit earned or loss MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND incurred by the Claridge’s Hotel in this BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR project; SINHA): (a) and (b). Government are at present examining the possibility of diffusing (c) in case there has been a loss to this the ownership of news agencies in the light Hotel, the main factors responsible ; and of the recommendation of the Press Com* (d) the amount of foreign exchange mission. extended to this Hotel ? 173 Written Answers SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) Re. Repatriation of 174 Indian Embassy staff from Dacca THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE w r f s *r $ 3fm?t tft ftrer MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Hie Restaurant was W i - put up by M/s. Maharani Restaurant in which some of the Directors of the Claridges t o w *arranr Hotel were partners. # f t I1 (b) to (d). M/s. Maharani Restaurant have informed that their accounts are under tft qlo (fpj?) : Sr qgpi finalization and audit for submission to the Reserve Bank of India. As such no infor­ WFffar % srttf f?xr ffcjr ( ^ mation is available regarding the extent of f P R ^ m XTOTR % profit made. The firm, however, have repatiinted to India Rs. 6.1 lakhs in foreign CTfT %f*FT 3TPT exchange against a remittance of Rs. 2.S2 ST??TR ^ ^ I aPTJT $ lakhs fu>m India to Japan. «rr 3*r jfWf % ^srrsr *i^r 11 Violation of Foreign Exchange Regulations by Nawab and Begum of Rampor MR. SPEAKER : There is no Call Attention on it. I asked the Member. He 77"’4 SHRI ZULF1QUAR AU KHAN: has not given it. Will tl c PRIME MINISTER be pleased to refer to the reply given to Unstarred Ques­ * t° : %?ar sit nfervR f t tion No. 6126 on the 28th July, 1971 and state: ^TfTT | TSflT spr I STSflT (a) whether in view of the inordinate t eft S e^ t STFT ZF* ^ f, I (WTW- delay in the matter of finalisation of matters * t«t) *r*rror *nw t w ?rrf $r relating to violation of Foreign Exchange Regulations by the Nawab and Begum of 2TPRT ^Tf^T | Rampur, Government propose to take prompt steps to expedite action in the MR. SPFAKER : 1 cannot allow it matter ; and here (b) if so, by what time it would be You are speaking without my permis­ completed ? sion. Nothing will go on record. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE srcrara wwmt: *# MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL 12.01 hrs. (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) and (b). The examination of the case is being RE : REPATRIATION OF INDIAN expedited. EMBASSY STAFF FROM DACCA It would not however be possible to indicate the time by which the final isation of SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : the case will be completed. With your permission, Sir, under Rule 377, I want to raise a very important question. Yon must have read in today’s papers 12hrs. that there is going to be repatriation of staff in the Indian Deputy High Commission in MR. SPEAKER • The papers to be Dacca. I would like to quote what is said laid. in the paper: •ft m m m (fnror) : “The staff of the Indian Deputy High Commission in Dacca is now likely to injtar, Trarwnr % st fatff, be back in the Capital on 12 August— 3TT«r sp * f t 11 if Pakistan does not raise last minute 175 Papers Laid AUGUST 11, 197! Papers Laid 176

obj ections and sticks to the agreement tronics Corporation of India that has> been brought about through Limited, Hyderabad for the the good offices of the Swiss Govern­ year 1969-70. ment." (ii) Annual Report of the Elec- We are very much pained to read this tronics Corporation of India that there might be a last minute objection Limited, Hyderabad for the raised by Pakistan You know our Deputy year 1969-70 along with the High Commissioner and the staff in Dacca Audited Accounts and the are interned since April, 1971. Since the comments of the Comptroller Prime M inister is here and, fortunately, she and Auditor General thereon, is going to be here for another 2 or 3 fPlaced in Library. See No, minutes, I would request you to ask the L T - 860/71.] Prime Minister or the Home Minister to (2) (i) Review by the Government make a statement that our staff in Dacca on the working of the Uiani- will return safe and that no last-minute um Corporation of India, objection is going to be raised by Pakistan. Limited, Jaduguda (Bihar) for We are all worried about our staff there. the year 1969-70. May I request the Prime Minister, through (ii) Annual Report of the Urani­ you, to say something on that. um Corporation of India Limited, Jaduguda (Bihar), MR. SPEAKER : Papers to be laid on lor the year 1969-70 along the Table. with the Audited Accounts and the comments of the Comp­ SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : She has not troller and Auditor General replied. thereon f Placed in Library. See No LT—861/71.1 MR. SPEAKER : You cannot expect that just immediately 1 should convey it. Notification under Mysore Motor SHRI S M BANERJEE : You did not VrwciFS Taxation A n , 1957 say that you will direct them to make a statement sometime later. THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND MR. SPEAKER : If I had to say no, TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : I would have said no. You wait foi some­ I beg to lay on the Table a copy of Notifi­ time. The papers to be laid. cation No. S.O. 1172 (Hindi and English versions) published in Mysore Gazette dated the 1st July, 1971, under sub-section (2) of section 16 of the Mysore Motor Vehicles 12.04 bra. Taxation Act, 1957 read with clause (cXiv) of the Proclamation dated the 27th March, PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE 1971, issued by the President in relation to the State of Mysore. [Placed fa Library . See Papers un&br Companies Act, 1936 No. LT—862/71.]

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER Statement of Decisions on certain Re­ OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF commendations op A.R.C, HOME AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI) : I beg MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND to lay oa the Table a copy each of the IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL following papers (Hindi and English ver­ (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : I beg sions) under sub-section (1) of section 619-A to lay on the Table a statement (Hindi and pf tike Companies Act, 1956 : English versions) of decisions of Govern­ (1) 0 ) Review by the Government ment on certain recommendations of the on the working of the Elec- Adiqinfitnitive Reforms Coatmtaiaii in it* m Papers Laid SRAVANA 20, (SARA) Comm, on Absence 178 Minutes repo rt on tbe '‘Machinery of the Govern­ (H) \ statement (Hindi and Eng­ ment of India and its Procedures of Work lish versions) showing reasons [Placed in Library. See No. LT—863/7].] for delay in laying the above Notification. [Placed In Lib* Annual Report , etc. of the Press Council ra-y. See No. LT—869/71.] of India for 1970 (3) (i) A copy ot the Tea Board (Recruitment and Conditions THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of Service of officers appointed MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND by Government) Rules, 1971 BROADCASTING (SHRIMATI NAND1NI (Hindi and English versions) SATPATHY) : I beg to lay on the Table : published in Notification No. (1) A copy of the Annual Report of G S R 1023 in Gazette of the Press Council of India for the India dated the 10th July, year 1970, under section 18 of the 1971, undei sub-section (3) of Press Council Act, 1965. [Placed in section 49 of the Tea Act, Library. See No. LT—864/71 ] 1953 [Placed in Library. See No. LT—870/71.1 (2) A statement (Hindi and English versions) explaining the reasons as (ii) A statement (Hindi and Eng­ to why the Hindi version of the lish versions) showing reasons above Report could not be laid on for delay in laying the above the Table Simultaneously [Placed Notification. [Placed tn Lib­ In Library. See No. LT—-865/71 ] rary. See No. LT—871/71-3

G overnment Review and Annual Report Annual Report 1969-70 of Rubber Board , of Fertilizers and Chemicals Travan * Coffee (Second Amendment ) Rules , Tba Board (Recruitmpnt and Conditions core , Ltd ., 1969-70 of Sfrvicf , etc etc.) Rulfs . THE DFPUTY MINISTER TN THE n r . etc. MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE CHEMICALS (SHRI DALBIR SINGH) : MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE (SHRI I beg to lay on the A Table a copy each of A. C GEORGE) : 1 beg to lay on the the following papers (Hindi and English Table : versions) under sub-section (1) of section 619-A of the Companies Act, 1956 (1) (i) A copy of the Annual Report (i) Review by the Government on the activities of the Rub­ on the working of the Ferti­ ber Board for the year lizers and Chemicals, Travaa- 1969-70. [Placed in Library. core Limited, for the year See No. LT 866/71 ] 1969-70 (ii) A statement (Hindi and (Ii) Annual Report of the Ferti­ English versions) explaining lizers and Chemicals Travan- the reasons as to why the cwre Limited, for the year Hindi version of the above 1969-70 along with the Audited report could not be iaid on Account and the comments the Table simuhaneously. of the Comptroller and Audi­ [Placed in Library. See No tor General thereon, f Placed LT—867/71 ] in Library , See No. LT— (2) (i) A copy of the Coffee (Second 872/71.] Amendment) Rules, 1971 (Hindi and English versions) published in Notification No. COMMITTEE ON ABSENCE OF S.O. 2590 in Gazette of India MEMBERS dated the 10th July, 1971 under sub-section (3) of sec­ Minutes tion 38 of the Coffee Act, 1941 [Placed in Library. See SHRI S. C. SAMANTA (Tamluk): 1 ^o, LT—868/71< to lay o# thf Table of th$ Fjttt 179 Conviction o f AUGUST J I, 1971 M em bers 180

[Shl ri S. C. Samanta] to Third sittings of the Committee on Ab­ MR. SPEAKER : No crime to be a sence of Members from tbe Sittings of the Communist. House held during the current session. “ ..To-day he was tried by me, I found him guilty on his own voluntary plea of guilt and sentenced him to MESSAGE FROM RAJYA SABHA undergo simple imprisonment for one day.” SECRETARY : Sir. I have lo report II—“I have the honour to inform you the following message received from the that undermentioned M.P’s were sent Secretary of Rajya Sabha :— up for trial under section 188 I.P.C. b> “In accordance with the provisions of the Police Station Parliament Street, sub-rule (6) of rule 186 of the Rules of New Delhi in case F.I R. No. 13H Procedure and Conduct of Business in dated 10-8-1971 under section 144 Rajya Sabha, I am directed to return here­ CrP.C promulgated by ADM, South with the Central Board of Direct Taxes Delhi on 2nd July, 1971 by demonstrat­ (Validation of Proceedings) Bill 1971. ing and raising slogans in support of which was passed by the Lok Sabha at recognition of Bangla Desh its sitting held on the 31st July. 1971, They were tried by me todav and transmitted to the Rajya Sabha for and on their plea of guilt 1 found its recommendations and to state that them guilty under section 188 1P.C. this House has no recommendations to and convictcd and sentenced them make to the Lok Sabha in regard to the for one day’s simple imprisonment. said Bill." 1. Shri Ram Chandei Bade, M P. 2. Ch. Mukhtiyar Singh, M.P ” But Mr. Kachwai is still missing 1246 hrs. here. Mr. Banerjee, vou raised this point and CONVICTION OF MEMBERS I have made my observations. MR SPEAKER : I have to inform the SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I wanted to House that I have received the following two communications dated the 10th August, raise a question of privilege. 1971, from the Judicial Magistrate, First Class, New Delhi MR, SPEAKER : We cannot take cognisance of that. I have already made it I—*‘I have the honour to inform you clear. that Shri Laxmi Narayan Pandey, mem­ ber of the Lok Sabha, was tried at New SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I am not Delhi before me on charge under section raising the question of privileges, Sir. But 188 I PC as he contravened the prohibi­ I am just making a sugggestion for your con­ tory order under section 144 Cr.P.C. by sideration. A.D.M. New Delhi by raising slogans and staging demonstration in favour of MR. SPEAKER : If something is said recognition of Bangla Desh. by the court, how can we take cognizance of that ? SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur): Mr. Speaker, Sir, SHRI R. S. PANDEY (Rajnandgaon) : Sir, his submitsion is that tbe sentence is MR. SPEAKER : Please sit down so very little. long as I am on my legs. Try to be a little considerate. Why do you sh w im­ SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Defying patience ? See. 144 may be a crime but conviction under Sec. 188 for raising slogans in favour Stm t PltOO MDDY (G odh*): Be. of Bangla Desh it not oort*#. Sir. Is it not !» !> « Communist, I thunw on out judiciary tfa*t tty* ft W ® f l i t Conviction o f Members SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) JPAC R

done ? This is a question of privilege. In THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THfi fibe Prime Minister's meeting which she MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. K. addressed, there were slogans shouted in GANESH): On behalf of Shri Y. B. favour of B&ngia Desh. Chavan, I beg to move for leave to intro* duce a Bill to determine the conditio*! of SHRI VIKRAM CHAND MAHAJAN service of the Comptroller and Auditor* (Kangra) : It is not a question oi shouting General of India and to prescribe hi* duties slogans. The conviction is for defying the and powers and for matters connected there* ban. Don't take a perverse attitude of with or incidental thereto. everything. MR. SPEAKER: Please wait. There &HR1 S. M. BANERJEE : To shout are two items before this. 1 am so sorry. slogans in support of Bangla Desh is my When you make such a noise, I really privilege. The Magistrate should not be wonder how the Chair can function. It has allowed to convict a person tor this distracted my attention. I am very happy I did not put the question. Otherwise SHRI R. V. BADE (Khargone) : I sug­ it will be very difficult. Shri K. N. gest that we may not waste our time on Tiwary. this. MR. SPEAKER : Don't go again.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE . Shouting 12.12 hrs. slogan in favour of Bangla Desh is not a guilt (Interruption). ESTIMATES COMMITTEE

MR. SPEAKER : Mr Banerjee, there Fourth Report amp Minutes is a limit to it. SHRI K. N. TIWARY (Bettiah) : Sir, 1 SHRI S. M BANERJEE This is a beg to present the following Report and case of privilege. ( Interruption) Minutes of the Estimates Committee : (]) Fourth Report on the Ministry of ** twapw (^TT) : ^ Labour and Rehabilitation (Depart frrtter wr^rt sfta §tt *rr^ ment of Labour and Employ* ?r*rT% i ^ r ir § fa tft ^ i ¥*rr ment)—Workers’ Education Pro­ gramme. w m I anr ?r^ w r f t o t $? (2) Minutes of the sittings of the Estimates Committee relating to w m tq fto t : « rr eft the Fourth Report on the Ministry V Z T f Z «TT f% $ faff * of Labour and Rehabilitation, (Department of Labour and Em* fa r % fat? s tn *1% srrtr frt i ploymentJ—Workers’ Education Programme. SHRI PILOO MODY: May 1 remind Mr. Banerjee that it is he who makes the laws and changes the laws ? PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : It is not I who makes the laws, Sir. There is Sec. 144 N inth Rfport Under this section you can arrest me, but not for shouting slogans for Bangla Desh. SHRI SEZHIYAN (Kumbakonam): (Intenup tion). Sir, I beg to present the Ninth Report of the PubKc Accouuts Committee regarding MR. SPEAKER : Mr. Banerjee, may 1 Audit Report (Civil), 1970 and Appropria­ request you—will you please keep sitting ? tion Accounts (Civil) 19*3-69 relating to the There is certain decorum in the House which Ministry of Education and Youth Services, should bo observed. Why ait you not \W University Grants Commission and Council tening to the Chair ? {Interruption). of Scientific and Industrial Rmuttett, t«3 Bills introduced AUGUST U, 1971 Sugar Policy (Dh.) 184

MR. SPEAKER ; Now, Shri K. R. ment and functions of certain authorities Ganesh, you can introduce that. for tbe investigation of administrative action taken by or on behalf of the Government or certain public authori­ 12.13 tart. ties in certain cases and for matters con­ nected therewith." COMPTROLLER AND AUDITOR The motion was adopted. GENERAL’S (DUTIES. POWERS AND CONDITIONS OF SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : Sir, I SERVICE) BILL* introduce the Bill.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MR. SPEAKER : Now the House will MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SiR I K. R. take up the next item—Discussion under GANESH) : On behalf of Shri Y. B. Rule 193, on Sugar Policy. Chavan, 1 beg to move for leave to intro­ duce a Bill to determine the conditions of service of the Comptroller and Auditor- 12.15 brs. General of India and to prescribe his duties and powers and for matters connected DISCUSSION RE: SUGAR POLICY therewith or incidental thereto. •ft fW (*faft?T

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IJWWT *r$t** : W CTT^r «TT aft has been decontrolled. That has only helped the sugar magnates to reap more profits, to stf*r ararc f*rr & *?[ ^ t amass more wealth, as they have been doing for more than 50 years. *ft»r I > «nrr ^R-wrr, r «nrft *r?r *5 ^ ?nft I may give an example, as far as Delhi is concerned . On the 25th May, the day of SFR ^ST t I 7?T% ^STT £TC*T ?Tffr de-control, the price of sugar was Rs. 190 f?fETT 3TT ?T5f7?TT I W% *t fa«T | I per quinta] On the 5th August it has gone up to Rs. 192 per quintal. At least we can t f a * *rm $r *TT I increase also is not considerable. If this trend continues there will be two conse­ ^ 3TT5T fr^^Tt fafre quences First I v, if releases take place there «tt ^r^rprr wtnr i ?nft f>*rra ^nr ^ is ultimately going to be a shortage and the price of sugar will go up and there will also ^ srtt £ i s*r% srrc *rre *■% arm be non-availability of sugar. Secondly, even ?PT fSFFSR tft T*TT % I ^fJT^pT with the existing price of sugar the sugar magnates are reaping high profits. So, why f*r ^tf^rcr f a w r * *t should the price be fixed at a higher *rsnrr x% i rate ? So far as the price of cane is concerned, «ft ftrswfknr q*r° %9T^ (qr?r%) : it is seldom raised. As the saying goes, ffT TT tT^ q-JT £T5*T SfST faPTT ^1% sugar is actually manufactured in the field by the cane-growers. Only the juice is w tf a 5TfT fanrqr 11 extracted in the factories There are two crores of cane-growers in India and they w«w *$*?* : zr%v 7 f?r are being exploited bv big industrialists, like Modi and Birla and also big landlords. 45

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GtT<:T arm <:rg ~ f'fi mq 7 ~lt 3 6 sugarcane. The arrears of payment runs to ~ - crores of rupees. But the cost of production qij" ~::. ~ I Q:lf T~ lfRrfT<:T ~~~lf it I 0 which the canegrowers have to bear is almost ~qir cr.;rr ~f"Orr it 'fi~ "'!T~~r ~ f'fi 1 equal to the price paid, namely Rs. 7.37. o If cash is not paid in time to the peasants, ~qzr rr~T arfc;'fi l l l;;lllf ~rrcF't ~f;:;rl't I you can imagine what the condition of the il<:r ~ rf~ dependent on these poor peasants. You go f~q-c: ~ ToT >rFHT f'li;rrq conditions of service. Even the recom- fCfi~r•=ii ij- ~f~er ~~c: ~Cfi~ <:rQ'f >;rrlt ~ mendation of the wage board has not been accepted by the trade unions because they do m<:: <:r ~ >;fTq'qlf'fi ~ fCfi ;::-rq ~.,'fir 1 r l;;q'lf not get justice from it The machinery is >rf~ ffor c: ~ Efi f~~rar 1T ~;:1" Efi ~r11 worse. The sugar content in the cane in our country is 22 J'er cent, but the extrac- ~rf;;r~ 1 tion is only 9-10 per cent. This is something better in Maharashtra, but in other areas it ;:rrq ;:;r) ~~ "frrT~lJ:~ it Cf;rT(

SHRI SHIVAJl RAO S. DESHMUKH : part of the fraction of the prices that the (Parabhani, : The sugarcane growers of consumers are to pay. If there is to be this country owe a big debt of gratitude to any incentive there should be only one you for allowing this debate and they are ail incentive and that incentive should be, ho^mg. I hope not against hope, that the as is well known bv all economic pandits, proceedings of this debate would have some the raising of the price of sugarcane. Our effect on sugar policy, or the lack of it, Government says that we only fix the that has been consistently and foolishly minimum prices for sugarcane ; they have followed foi so many years in this country. been knowing for all the.se years that what­ The tragedy of sugar production in this ever they say, the minimum prices ultimately country has always been more production, become the ceiling prices of sugarcane. And then curbs on production either through the then, they do not have any control on the process of control or decontrol, large-scale priccs of sugarcane because of the process of fleecing of sugarcanc growers by the private decontrol. So, if at all in the garb of mill sector, then fall in sugarcane acreage decontrol there has been control, the onlv and production, scarcity of sugar, then ccintiol that has been there is on the sugar­ fleecing of sugar consumer , causing black* cane growers. If the sugarcane growers are market in sugar and shooting up of prices, to he relieved from the clutches of big then again more production because of the control, merely control of sugar is not going black market rates leading the cultivators to help either the consumer or the Govern­ to hope that they would get more price for ment policy itself cane. In the ultimate analysis, whether Coming to the question of molasses, there is a black market or higher price paid when they say that molasses are to be by consumers, rot a fraction of the enhanced controlled and when we say that molasses cost goes to the growers. In the event of should be decontrolled, our Minister points depression, the cane grower is the only cow out to the Ministry of Petroleum and Chemi­ which is milked by the Central Government, cals. Where is the Minister of Petroleum the State Government, the authorities of and Chemicals ? Not even half a Minister the Directorate of Sugar, by the sugarcane is present in this empty House when the cess and what not. debate on sugar policy is going on. Anybody Ultimately, even the money that is paid concerned with molasses should know by the consumer is not allowed to trickle whether molasses need decontrol or control. even to the canegrowcrs I believe that if Molasses are controlled but the products of the sugar policy deserves any changes, they molasses are decontrolled. The products can only be brought about if the policy is of cosmetics are decontrolled. What is the built on the basis of the sugarcane crop and proportion of the cost of cosmetics that the not on the basis of mills whether in the social ladies io the capitals of the country co-operative sector or in the private sector. and in the capitals of the world pay ? How much of it goes to the cost of the m Masses Whenever we speak of incentives, our which are manufactured by the sugar Government does not know of any incentive factories ? except giving incentives to the millowners ; There has been a consistent demand for and this leads the millowners to indulge in the decontrol of molasses, but this demand additional tax evasion. When it is a question has always been shelved. There has been of incentive to the canegrower, wisdom a consistent demand for at least Rs. 100 a dawns on our Government that the tonne to be paid to the sugarcane growers. incentives are not to be given to the cane­ Today, we have brought it to this pass, that grower because of the lack or paucity of the price of sugar is cheapcr than firewood. funds or because of mobilisation of resources. If the cultivator has to get anything, then So, if this mobilisation of resources at the the cultivator would prefer to grow, so to cost of cultivators is not going to be stopped say, firewood. Why should he take up I am sure even this milch-cow is going to sowing operations ? Why should there be be dragged down, and there will be no revival agricultural operations, and why should of policy to improve agricultural production there be manures, and why irrigation also ? in this country. Our Government says that the consumer are The sugarcane growers of this country being looked after. Who is there to look nfltfonty should get the cane prices from after the consumers ? Immediately when t&|;&iUowr#r* but they also owe at least a ymi w to q a ti* thf industry, the sttgar prfet* Sug ar SRAVANA 20, I«93 (SAKA) Policy (Dis.) 210 are going to be four times, and not become t w bnft (fsrarrottnra) : * one-fourth, but four times. 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1 fir ort vtvtsrfsar ’p r arT^r | Government of India, like the plaything of 1 a child, goes on changing every year. I would % *p\ i n f f ? j?^t 1 13ft srr^Sfe even say that the sugar industry has been ^ f ? ^ r ^ % ft% | * ^t er> made the plaything o f politics by the ruling 1 party at the Centre. After the de-control of wi% f sfk ^ | i f t r sugar nobody knows what is the. sugar policy of the Central Government. The only f^ fh r m consequence of de-control of sugar, accord- cpj-^rrwTO ^r 'snt t < ^ ing to me, is that the cry for national»*a-

* The original speech w a s looting the Agreement, India can enter into barter sugarcane cultivators. Here I will recount deals with individual countries for the the unfair practices indulged in by the sugar export of sugar. I would request the hon. 215 Sug ar AUGUST 11, 1971 Policy (Dis.) 216

fSh ri C. Chittibabu] Minister to inform the House whether we cane growers to buy fertilisers from them have entered into any barter deal with any if they want to get payment for the supply country so far and also our export commit­ of sugarcane. The overdraft facilities, which ment to such countries. they enjoy from Banks and which have been specifically granted to them by the Govern­ On 26 May, 1971 the sugar de-control ment for the purpose of assisting growers, policy was announced by the Government are being utilised by them for their aggran­ of India in this House, It was expected by disement in some other sectors of industries. one and all that t he price of sugar would They buy unregistered sugarcane at a low come down. On the contrary, the price of price, but show in their account books as sugar has gone up. I would like to ask the registered sugarcane for which they have to Government as to what steps have been pay double the price, tn this way they are taken by the Government, especially after able to misappropriate large sums of the decontrol or sugar, in the matter of money. This cicates untold hardships to the enabling the growers to get the large arrears growers. due to them from the factory owners. Throughout the country, the total amount I would request the Central Government of arrears due to the growers is Rs. 35 to appoint a Committee to go into all these crores. In TamiJ Nadu alone, the growers questions and suggest remedial measures to are still to get Rs. 4 crcres. This amount help the growers. As you are aware. Sir, of arrears relates to 1969-70 It must have agriculture is a State subject and 1 wonder gone up considerably by now. According to why should the Centre arrogate to itself all the Sugatcane Control Order, 1966, within the powers in regard to sugar, which is 14 days from the deposit of sugarcane, the mainly an agricultural industry. If the payment is to be made to the growers. This powers as far as sugar industry is concerned, order itself has been issued under the Essen­ which are now concentrated in the hands of tial Commodities Act. Inspite of the fact the Centre, are delegated to the States, it that all the powers in this respect are will surely be conducive to significant in­ concentrated in the hands of the Centre, so crease in sugarcane cultivation and to subs­ far no constructive steps have been taken to tantial augmentation of sugar production, recover the huge arrears from the sugar which can be used for stepping up our capitalists There is a wide disparity in the exports. price being paid to the growers in the State With these few words, I conclude. of Uttar Pradesh and the State of Tamil Nadu. It has been acknowledged even by SHRI ANAND SINGH (Gonda) : Mr. the Tairff Commission that the production Depuly-Speaker, Sir, we are having this costs in Tamil Nadu are high. I would discussion for the last one and a half hours strongly urge that the same price which is and it is being mentioned that the cane being paid in the Uttai Pradesh must be growers are not being paid in this State or paid to the growers in Tamil Nadu. that State. We would like to look into the situation as a whole. If I put the figures 13.2$ hrs. before you for the entire country you will see there is no State that has paid the [Mr. Deputy Speaker in the Chair.] arrears. It is not only U. P. and Bihar which are defaulting in this respect. Even It is not only that the growers are not in Maharashtra factories- Maharashtra is getting the payments promptly from the quite advanced—the arrears amount to 20% sugar mill owners. You can imagine the while hi U. P. the arrears are 18% hardships of growers who are not being financially assisted by the Government and SHRI N. N. PANDEY : Mr. Deputy also their cown money is not being made Speaker, I challenge the figures. I want to available to them in time. In addition, the know the source of information from the suger mill owners like Nellikuppam Parry hon. Member. ( Interruption) Company, Pennadam Aruna Sugar Mills, S&oth India Sugar Factory, and Tiruchi SHRI ANAND SINGH : When we Kofhari Sugar Factory are holding agency look at the stock position also in Maha­ fof fertilisers and (hey are forcing the sugar­ rashtra and UP, we find that 93 per cent iV ! Sugar SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) Policy (Dis.) 218 stocks are with UP as on 15.5.1971 while figure and started keeping 25 per cent as Maharashtra had only 65 per cent stocks at margin. This is also one reason why some that time. payments are lagging behind in UP and all So, when we talk of policies, we have to over the country. If this figure is brought talk of the policy in the interest of the down to 10 per cent, since the banks are entire country and have to take the figures nationalised now, f can say about Rs. 2 of the entire country into consideration. crores of arrears in UP can be paid in no The basic things for a policy on sugar are time against Rs. 6 crores or Rs. 7 crores or low prices for consumers and remunerative whatever is left. prices for growers. Here we have to see one thing. It is not only the factories winch are trying to SHRI M. R vM GOPAK REDDY . The squeeze in money or exploit the farmers—it Government of India makes the release* on is there but the Government also by a uniform basis but some people sell their making such policies at times try to help sugar at a reduced price and other factories those milfowners and not the farmers, in wait for some lime. squeezing the money or in trying to exploit the farmers. SHRI N. N. PANDEY . That is not I, as a can grower, am not interested in the reason. I have already explained the what way we are goinu; to g«-t the price. reasons. . . (Interruption) Our main demand is that we should be paid the right price. Whatever is fixed by you, MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER He is entit­ we call it the right price. It may or may led to have his say. Hon. Members have not be the right pricc but the price had their saj. The hon. Minister is there that is fixed by you we want to get, to reply to the debate and he can meet all because it is a fair pricc, and at the right these points. time. This is all our demand. How you are going to do it is not our business. It SHRI N. N. PANDEY : But we have is your business. It is you who forced or a right to ask ftom where he is quoting the directed our cane to different factories ; you figures. . . (Interruption) allotted our cane ; you fixed the prtee ; you fixed the date of delivery ; you weighed MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER . You have it and gave it to the factories. Whose asked the question. It is for him to answer obligation is it to give the right price to it. 1 cannot compel him. farmers ? It is yours. We are asked to go and beg the mill-owners. SHRI ANAND SINGH : What I was I still remember, when the Government submitting was that if is not only IJP or gave 40 per cent free sugar to be sold in the Bihar or some other States that the arrears market, it was said that this 40 per cent are there but it is in almost the whole coun­ was being given to them so that they could try that arrears are there sell it at a higher price and give it to the Secondly, I wanted to point out that cane growers. No limit was fixed. Then, taking the case of UP only, the arrears the cane growers were asked to go in for against Government-run factories are 30 per gherao and to go in for a hartal and get the cent ; against cooperative factories 19 per price, whatever they could. So, it was not cent and against private factories 15 per cent. the Government who gave us Rs. 16 or So, it is not a case of a few people trying Rs. 17 or Rs. 18 in that season. It was the to run away with some money. There seems farmer, the Farmers’ Federation in U.P., to be some fault in the policy also as a who after declaring a general hartal could whole. This was the point that I was trying get some higher price. We are not obliged to Government for that. What 1 was to emphasize. saying*is that when the Government gives a Cane price is paid, we all know, by the concession to mill-owners, they should link it credits that the factories get against sugar. A up with some concession to the cane growers couple of seasons ago this was 90 per cent also. or 85 per cent. They were given 85 per cent credit against Rs. 100 worth of sugar. But Certainly, we now see that the prices after nationalisation, after the new set-up have gone high. Again, if we look into the of the Government, the RBI cut down this figures, in some regions, the price has gone 219 Sug ar AUGUST 11, 1971 Policy {Dis.) 2i6

[Shri Aaand Singh] up much higher than that has gone unjustified pricc. If the price has been Up in a general pattern. We find that in fixed at the base of 8.3% recovery then it Maharashtra the price has gone up much will be a remunerative one for the farmer. higher. According to the press report, the Financial Express, in 1971, the sugar factories In the beginning the farmers rushed in in Maharashtra have sold 130,300 bags or for sugaicane cultivation because, as a cash sugar at Rs. 194 per quintal, which means a crop, it was more profitable than paddy net profit of about Rs. 80 lakhs per factory. cultivation. But within the 10 to 5 years the farmer realised his folly after incurring I would like to point it out to our losses year after year. The sorry state of Finance Minister also who in search of affairs of the sugar mills even in the co­ taxation did not spare even bread in this operative sector is an eloquent testimony to country to tap the resources. The excise the policy adopted by the Government. that we pa> is uniform all over the country. Those very farmers who went in for sugar* The time has come when a differential cane cultivation are prepared to go in for excise should be enforced in sugar industry any other cultivation than sugarcane. In my also. The people who are earning more can district alone where the area under sugar* pay more ; the people who are earning less cane cultivation—we have five sugar mills should be asked to pay less. there—was 90,000 acres, it has now come down, within the last two years, to about •SHRI K. Sl'RYANARAYANA 40,000 acres. This situation has been (H um ): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am brought about, thanks to the lopsided policy in agreement with Mi. Sivaji Rao Desh- of the Government. The pricc being mukh who had spoken earlier in this unremunerative, the farmer has no incentive debate. As we are directly in contact with to invest and reap only losses. As a result agriculturists we have a duty ; as member of this the production of sugar is also of Parliament, to highlight the problems of bound to come down. these people and ask for a just and proper policy in this issue to help the sugarcane Sir, all this not well in this industry. growers. With the lever they have, the industrialists arc able to manipulate shortages and fake I am not pleading here for reduction of losses. The\ are clamouring for decontrol. profits the sugar industry makes. But 1 When actually there is shortage of sugar and want that the conditions of the sugarcane profits how is decontrol going to help ease growers should be improved. My com­ this situation ? As far as 1 know the price plaint is that while on one hand they show of sugar has not gone up consequent on the increase in production charges of sugar, on removal of control from May 1971, though the other they are making unconscionable in a few pockets it might have arisen. We profits. Not onl\ this, they are even eva­ are apprehensive that the production of ding payment of legitimate Government sugar in the coming years will be much dues and taxes Many of these industria­ short of demand. The tendency towards lists treat their enterprise as a base for self aggrandisement is evident not only in launching into other fields of industry with the industrialists but even in the Govern* the profits earned in sugar as capital for the ment. The Government is more concerned other industries. Under such circumstances with the collection of its pound of flesh by I should warn the Goverment that they way of levies and taxes. It is unfortunate would be failing in their duty if they do not that the needs of the farmer by way of revise their present policy for the well being irrigation water, fertilizers and timely finan­ of the sugarcane growers. Such a policy cial assistance, have not been engaging the should embrace not only the sugarcane attention of the Government so far. As a growers but the agriculture labour employed result of this discontentment and disenchant­ by the growers. ment is growing among the farmers, To cap You have fixed the pricc of cane at it all, Nature also has frowned on the Rs. 7.37 paise per quintal with a recovery farmer. In Maharashtra and Andhra of 9.4%. This is a very unrealistic and Pradesh which are the home of sugarcane,

"The original speech was delivered in Telugu. 221 Sugar SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) Policy (Dis.) 222 unprecedented drought conditions have factory owners are more particular about worsen ed th e already bad situation. Under the payment of taxes due to the Govern- these ci rcumstances we are not unjustified in ment but are not as enhusiastic in settling askin g for a price hike for sugarcane, the the dues of the farmer who supplies sugar- necessity of wh ich has been recognised by cane to th em A case in point is that of a the Hon. Minister, Mr. Shinde. When the factory established in my district by a supply of irrigation water "'as available the businessman from MDdras. He contracted farmer did not mind paying even Rs. 300. loans to the tunc of Rs. 20 lakhs from the But no w that, water is not available it is small farmer but forgot to repay these poor criminal to ask him to supply sugarcane to farmers. I am sure G overnment must have the factories at even Rs. 100 per tonne. realised the taxes from him. Hence, I once In 1950-5 1 there were 138 sugar factories again appeal to Government to consider and the number wen t upto 174 in 1960-61 the just demands of the sugarcane grower. and 215 in 1969-70. The sugarcane grower could meet the demands of this increased SHRI H . M. PATEL (Dhandhuka): number of factories. For all this labour Mr. Deputy -Speaker, Sir, sugar industry is the far:ner is not adequately recompensed. one uf those industries which have suffered But in the case of sugar mills wage boards a great deal because of continuous vacilla- are constituted and wages of the industrial tion in forming a satisfactory policy. This worket s are enhanced. The fac tory owners has been going on and on, we have been increase the price of sugar because with all dealing with it in an ad hoc manner, control the overheads, he says, the cost of produc- at one time, de-control at another time, tion has gone up. As l have already and partial de-control a third time. mentioned the farmer has been getting a Finally we seem to have reached a position very raw deal at the hands of the Govern- where we have de-controlled it. But the ment which does not take into account the question is : Are we going to let this various facrors I have mentioned in fixing a industry remain de-controlled '! Or, remunerative price for the cane. I would are we once again thinking of control be- like to tell the Government they need not cau' e of say, fall in sugar-cane productiOi1 ? feel that they have discharged their responsi- In stead, it seems to me, and it sh ould be bility by decontrolling sugar. They should now accepted as a proven fact in the light also feel that the farmer is an intcgwl part of experience, we have gained that de- of this entire business and has the right to control is on the whole likely to work be cared for. I want to ask the Govern- more satisfactorily in the conditions of this ment why they could not fix the price at industry. Rs. 100 or more ? But, at the same time, it is necessary As Shri Deshmukh has mentioned mere to see that sugar-cane supply should be issue of licence for establishing a sugar adequate. If that is to be possible, then, factory is not enough unless the building the sugar-cane growers should be given a materials, more particularly steel, are satisfactory price. What that sa tisfactory released. price will be, will depend upon a great As regards Molasses you have fixed a many factors. The Government, there too, very low price for this item. If today the have accepted the position in their pol icy demand being so great the cost of molasses announcement, that they will see that there has shot up to Rs. 300 in the black market, is a minimum price fixed for the sugar- the responsibility for this state-of affairs is cane. entirely that of Government. The Agricul- It seems to me that Government have ture Department or the Directarate of Sugar to consider this question, considering the has no control over this item. If the various facton involved. Several hon. Government feels that the control has Members who spoke today are all agreed helped the consumer it is mistaken, because about the need for an increase. Some of this rampant black market it is neither favour an increase from 7 point something the consumer nor the factory nor the to 10, some have said II ; and others Government which is benefitted. So I would li ke 12. It seems to me that what request that the Government should imme· the increase ought to be is really for the diately remove the control on molasses. Government to decide on the basis of a Sir, I would conclude by ~Yi!lg that the caref~Jl weighing up of ~ nvll)ber of f~ctors. 223 Su gar AUGUST 11, 1971 Policy (Ms.) 224

[Shri M. M. Patel] They have to sec the amount of cane that fall is not as much as it should have been* would go for molasses, the amount of cane Nevertheless, my point is that decontrol is available, the prices of other competing not working to the disadvantage of the crops etc. All these have to be taken into consumer. When it is suggested that the account. On the whole it seems to me canegrowers should be paid a higher price, that the situation today is such that if the undoubtedly, it has the implication that the we wish to ensme adequate production of sugar price will have to go up and the sugarcane then the pricc of sugarcane will consumers will have to pay a higher price. have to be increased. That much, I think, The question however, which ought to be is absolutely anti firmly established and the considered is whether that will ensure a case for an increase cannot be controverted. satisfactory and more stable sugar industry, The question of Rs. 1.7 crores has been whether the sugai-cane-growers could be referred to which is outstanding, canc- assured of a leasonable price over a period growers not having been paid this for the of time and whether that will ensure cane delivered That, I think, is a very sufficient sugar production in the country minor problem ; it is minor in the sense I think all these can be ensured only if a that its solution is very simple. It policy of this nature is established and is is not as if the sugar factories are adhered to for a period of vears and not unable to pay these arrears. They are fully changed from year to year. capable of paying these arrears. They have enough stocks. The difficulty is this They fapjfa f*T«T : ^ | fa require financial accommodation. The question is * Why is that financial accom­ foSTFTT 5ft Sfftacr aft 3T?r § modation not being provided on reasonable wp % I WT mft T&TF? terms ? Government, in the Food and Agriculture Ministry, do agree with them qrff *M*T t ? and the Reserve Bank have also—I under­ stand—-issued some suitable instructions. SHRI H. M. PATEl : I am sorry he But 1 am told that the nationalised has misunderstood what 1 had said. 1 banks are not carrying out those instructions, shall explain it to him. or perhaps the more correct thing to say would be that they are interpreting those instructions as suits them best. Why should that be the case ? Why should one bank (f i insist upon a margin of 20 per ccnt and another of 17 per cent or \1\ per c^nt and MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Now, Shri a third one of 15 per cent ? If it, adequate E. V. Vikhe Patil. accommodation, will not merely help the sugar factories but will ensure that the cane* SHRI E. V. VIKHE PATIL : (Kopar- growers get their money, then surely there gaon) : [Spoke in Marathi] should be sufficient coo’dination between two Ministries of the Government, Finance MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Is the hon and Food, so that banks give the necessary Member speaking in Marathi. I am told facilities in the manner that is accepted as that there is no arrangement for translation reasonable by the Food Ministry. of Marathi speeches. It seems to me that we should really once and for all make up our minds in 14 hrs. regard to the sugar industry. Do we want this industry to flourish ? If we want it SHRI E. V. VIKHE PATIL : I shall try to flourish, then de-control of the industry to speak in Hindi. is the right policy. Since decontrol, prices have not risen. That is one positive proof that decontrol cannot do any harm. The $*rr m f«w % qpre % sr*r fc* v fo r prices may not have fallen or may have fallen only to some slight extent here and «tt?t v # tsrT (hero. There are various rwuons why the 11 ync % qnft iwrror jfo 225 Sug ar SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) Policy (Dis.) f srh: frrr ^ ^ jr* ^ r »npf% % jfrr^r % ^frrfsri? g*n: I? ^ ^ f i *rqr 11 ^ ^t?rr 1 1 srareSz % fq^r ^ ?n*ff ^ *rz $*K tZ ^ 1 1 t#v ^ | fa $ 1 ^?r 1967-68 if snrfa q-T^t^r ^ft ?jrsfT | ^ ^ ^ *Pto?r fr g-f^TT^r to t fa 88 wro srr ff 1 m fe-spcfr*r v \ ^ srf?r snfa? g> x%j 1 1 ^gpn $ t =fsr | f^T5Fr^r ftp=ff *tft g n r *pt s m s jtttt srrfa? ^ m ft 5>ftrfa€t fr# ?rrq^f^ ^f?r?r t t fa g t ^r «r qiiw 40 *fte ?qtrr srr# f fa?reft fa# ^rr ^tcTT I rrsr ^ ^f ?zft ^ff «fft ^ f 1 snrc %?nr f ?ft <£tt star $ fav& *tt ?ft h th *rft 3T^ I fa 3ft 3fft3nqtfear Tfa 3ft ft I *r?RT^ qfV *hrntfbr % ^ fo f t I Ttrrf^r^ if %*ft «FT ?T*T «TFFt ^ I I *TgT- # 3 ? «pfffa ^t3TTT^?r ^ tts? *r $: ^^nrr K 1 €t % *mzr m w %tm i w h r if ^r?f srst #f®PT srRt ^ *nr wt v tm rtfc * sprr |, snrt »n^ fe*Tr I I *T?RT*£ sft *nft ^hTFT^f?^ STT^H ^TRT t I ^ ^^TRT STT^T g»TT % srcjtar \ z % Tzrrer fa?TT?ff ^ f ?ftT 3ft ^ fa?TT5ft STTf?T %?T spt ^fV I I *£%> rffiT ^ ^FFvTTiT^^T^T +% f I ^ T t fa p-g-Rrc? $ fopsrft *mzr ?>% *r m % fa ff 65 5T *2T 3*T q?pr^r ?r^grr i ?r»n: 10 w r «rr ^ ^rcr ^ w f jtrt sfrr qnws f^rr ?ft sr^t m *rm f st*t % s% 1 *®p ®rr*ft % ^TT qnftf w r r ’STT^tfr ^ ^ ^ cft ^ w t ^ fa e rr ^ f ^ r sn%*rr ^ r T ^ iV srr^rf «p> ^ ^ f, &niz rf®f m m i *nqvft qTcff ^ JT?ff ^ ft *F??TT ^ c r r f f a f??T ar fa-T «fry#T*ff sjft 3ft f a r IcT f

[«ft f o *to qTfe5T] ^ srm £ fo r ^ w i the stocks month by month so that you can $i an^nT «fk 5r> sft ?nr have enough stock at the end of the year. Then you must immediately announce the *rr«T ^stt HTj&t t f*r%*rr i minimum price of sugarcane to be Rs. 15 pet quintal for the next Crusing season, so PROF. S. L. SAKSFNA (Maharajganj) : that we can have enough of sugarc&ne sown In the last statement which the Minister in the fields for next year. Only then we made in the House m the beginning of can have proper sugarcanc production and a April, he said that the sugarcanc privc proper sugar output in the country. arrears due from millownrs to the growers About nationalisation, in December, were Rs. 53 crores. Since then I am sure 1969, the Congress (R) in Bombay passed a not even half of this amount has been paid. resolution that sugar factories shall be In my district of Gorakhpur, 1 know one nationalised. Two years have passed. Wc factory si ill owes Rs. 1 crore on this have had committees and commissions, but account ; it is the Saidarnagar Factory. nothing has happened. What is the result ? The Ghughali factory owes about Rs. 20 If you wcie really serious about nationalisa­ lakhs, the Siswa Ba/ar Factory about Rs. 25 tion of the sugai industry, you should have lakhs, Khadda Factory about Rs 25 lakhs, passed an ordinance and taken over tne the Pharenda Factory about Rs. 10 lakhs sugar factories in the surrn manner as you and so on. These are single factories. passed an ordinance to nationalise the Now the cane growers are selling tlicit cane Banks. But you have been issuing only purzi at 50 per cent of their value ; if a cane threats of nationalisation to the sugar purzi is worth Rs. 100, he sells it for Rs. 50 industry with the result that the factoiy- so that he can utilise the cash foi marriage owners have been scared and they are taking and other important items of expenditure. away all the valuable machinery and other The result is that they luve taken a vow that assets from the factories and selling them they will not sow cane next year. This off. The factories have been denuded of means that the output next year will be their precious machinery. They have now much less and production of sugar will be become junks, At this rate, in a year or so, correspondingly less they will not be able to crush any sugar­ canc at all. I therefore say, either natipn- Unless you immediately pay the cane price alise immediately or do not nationalise. arrears to cane growers and the banks Tell them you are not going to nationalise give credit to the factories to clear all the the sugar industry, so that the factories arrears, there will be very little production may get their machinery properly repaired of sugarcane next year. and there may not be any shortage in sugar Secondly, on the question of prices, production next year. So, if the Govern­ Rs. 7 is very small. We have had Rs. 15, ment sincerely want to nationalise the sugar Rs. 18 and so oo as the sugarcane price in industry, they must do it immediately by 1968. So, you must fix the minimum price passing an ordinance by the Central Govern­ of sugarcane at Rs. 15 a quintal if you really ment, as no State Government can do it by want to have sufficient production of sugar­ themselves. Only by passing of an nationa­ cane next year. lisation ordinance by the Centre the industry You have decontrolled sugar. I am can be nationalised and put right otherwise happy. But there is not enough of stock the industry will be destroyed. now. You are releasing the stock a* a very Uttar Pradesh and Bihar used to produce rapid rate, at the rate of about four lakh 80 per cent of sugar of the country a tonnes per month with the result that at decade back. At present, however, their the end of the sugar year, there will be very share has come down to 60 per cent. Why ? little stock left, and the production next Because of the inequitable sugar price year will be small causing a sugar famine system which you have followed. At least in the country with the result that there the prices should be equitable for the U.P. will be very high prices of sugar next year. and Bihar factories. In fact, I want you to The manufacturers will fleece the people I sell sugar at a uniform pricc all over the th ^ fo re say tint the sugar policy must be country. I want the Government to mop prdperly &PU$hT out. You must so reJew up the unearned profits, and the frigh t 229 Sugar SRAVANA 20, 189.1 (S4KA) Polity (Dis.) advantage of different sugar factories by ftWTfff *?t STT# spr ^ i buvlng a differential excise duty so that all sugar may be sold at the same uniform W STTcT ?Pt tfST « m r if *r ?ft price in Ihe whole country and alt the >P m * ^ qrttRT ^ f»r?r These are mv suggestions for reorienta­ *f? ^RRT 3TF* ?TTOT | Pp t W tion of sugar policy »i«Tr srW i ?nsr ar»n: »Tf# sft q ? rfR v»r tffa itohto $ T m trr ^t?ft I ?tVt =^ft ^ ^rr- ’tr | tft % m t f i « r W f trf) : arqTwrer $ stt* «rk ^tt s m n r t f fWRTJ? «rr ^ sfmV w «rrar n f i t e ^TTfTcft | ffrf?rq i f srn?-fasrre Jr f* p r fsrarr sfN & fa &T WX 39TTcT 5PT T# ffT fspfTFft 5T«IT SITT# SPR ferr i ®Ft ?TTs*rr WT5T Ti^kJT, U K * % ?T?ft % I % i f»r t r ^ > 5 r %

MR DEPU TY-SPFAKFR Let the srn fr ?recft I, «rarcftr | , quorum bclf be rung Now, there is w t ftrwfawT ^tcfr | i ?pt*w i r i r f quorum. The hon. Minister may continue his speech trsp ffmT ^ fi? *rf«r*f> frsr ^ $3r ftr^TR ?tirr i *tfY ?r ^ *ft sft $rr arf?r *1 cfVsr ^ t t 3T|?T % ’CTcTjf I f5T«T^t «TR ^ fj% T ^ T tjvr: t o ottt % i ! i |?rft % sfr f^^TR f I far f^RTPft T O TT$ TfacT ^TRPT 3RSFTt l%cr?ft **f ^*r 5^TT TOt t I ff^FPt *T*TT % 3T>T V7& spfcr ?rer ffRffq- apr m i r f% fip*rr?r s f a ^if|Sr i tr? *t c t | f% fasr fl|% \ * R f §1 m t *F>TT sfffi *rrfa«Ft t o ^ 5 tr ?t*pt i r | | i ^ ^ t ^ r ^ r a m : «re strVr ^ t r t f a r i *5 3ft q f sftf *r< | *rrc srffr^nr af^T »WT I Pf ^ ^ srffora ct^f ^ ? n t

^tef 11 * t o ‘tht sr^JT fsr%^r ^ & sft f^TR ?nrmr irrit fft 1 1 !*TT^ STR# 3TTif | I fsr^R % ^ it TTR^fhT % ^FfT q§5rr src?r «ft w % s n s w | ^ fap *TTS 5ff?T^RT *F*ft »T^ % ) | fo farora!

[*ft Src * r t ®f^t ^ g-f i sffon; ^fN- JPiqr %■ aft ft |, ^r T O Vt* srfcT^RT % Jpffa 5f?T ?RT3TT 11 tft SJITJT it T^^TT I I m «TTcft ^ t tr*r *ftsr fatur ^ tit t I Y f « r r c *r v o m ; ?nr %it «PT?ft *5TT% % sft *F*T^t trfTTTT ^ ^ f I t | I ^fsFT l^F JTTcT «rm*T | I «ft ^t fofter tit ^r%?t ^ i % 5? ? w r i ?TT*PR *pt frf?T ^Tfft I ^Tir fiftTT fW FT ^ ^ rr tft arrfc eft srnrc <£*£t % f^RT ^pt 'df^cT ^t?r?T f v r ^T?T ®PT forc: i wfrfft | T % srr 3frr s w sr^T X&T SfTcrr I I ?rf*P5T flT^TT 9f?T *% ^TTcIT | | 3TfT CRT ^ft y^f^rftHt m >ft ft^TT | w ft tot t ss sir i *nft enp ?ftT ^ ^T5ft aA M T R ^ flW # R?T 5ft ^snrr fasfr | SKtt *p rtt f 1% SR^t ^TfftT | *n*p? m s m & r srfkrwr % *rftar T3 I I sfTT ■ 7'^T cR 1 2 ?pf ft ST^T *TOT I I v t k vft & frertw ^t?tt ^ , 3?r% % »Tft% ^ f3FT WQ f ^ f ^ T |?TT ^ jtrt ^ r «F*ft ?rr stt^tV *r k srrc? 16-17 t o irfVzrsr spt ?Tf «ft 49 srro * f 7 f sttit i *rf faFsr tit strt wrd? % % 5f | fq^j% *rmt % | arft f*r ^ TTtit ^ftw ^ 11 STH*r I SSW ?TP=r SfTT 5ft 3TOT ^?TT t 25 ^fTt? % SR Tf »WT tit*rer 5^ vnft w tit *nm=r | ^ | I 5PTT^ % ^Rt^ «T?TT | I fJT m z arc *r smj i *re mr*r u | | fo SfTT | f^P 5T^t % sreft f^TFft ^T aft w ft w tit ^TT «Fffr ?ft fa*T ff%*TT m spptitt ftr% I W t ^ft i s t s tit f*rrcr wrra | ... ^ft ?ir ^5T I, 33T | I f ^5

jft° qwo srafcm: «t t tita^f ?nft stW if g^5Ft ^ a t «t far fir%irr i 5*PTT *fT l f^Rrvt *faf fer ^ 5TR1 f^TWI t 3TCPFT SHRI N. N. PANDEY : Government «Tf 9lftw 5T?r TOT | N* ^t is not fixing the price according to the m«r m«f ^ Ht fa% i Tariff Commission Report. When that report is before them why are they not ST^r % jf ^ *TcTT 5f»imT | I 3fft vigilant 7 Why could they not declare the price in advance ? m% m z srf?r?r?r qpt aR S' ?r?r m *p t m *r5rc?t 1 1 ti* f « | : ?nft *rt u ?r %

$ * T ^ t i ^ r arrtrT 5rr i t ® w ft mrnnji «?ft: *r«jr sr^r 233 SRAVANA 20. 1893 (SAKA) Policy (Pis.) 234

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[’sft | «fta * fa srfrrsr m c fta g?ft«r tr«r ^T?r f*r«rr ’sft ^ ^ «ft fr^sn ft 3|?r sisr ^ r> r | fa*r m \ q^jsft ft % ^ ir fa ^ ^ TfrTT f aftfffa f*r*Tt % srre it ?r^PrT wx t i f*TcT trr^Rfr «ft fTq^rTt ^?t f q m ^ | $frerr ?rq>% | srfc qnft^R I ? 1^1% ^ ^ ^ JTT^JT ^7% ?Ft q?t f r f t i ?ti% % srn? ^r ^ s tt Trft i... ?Ft%5y ^ t , ?TRt ffsjr TPTR?r ^ T T ^ R % «TTO («arar«rR)...^ T ^t qi^ i ^qfn^ f,m €^ m z $ft «^r?rr qrr^r I sft7- ?nft art ^ s i ??r ^rcr 5rr?r ^ Tfrr | ^ t? ^ t t t fa fa?RT ^ r ?rrtrr srh: facr^t ^ t t srftsfts rm r f ^ qr v * *rr*t srmf qrt ^?r ^ f t totsit iw « i ^ft q^frfa 33 % csqr ^*r t $r t 1 1 qn^ftsre ®pt sr^r •»ft «th ft tot facFrr »r^r ?rnt ?f^?r ^ m r ?rk f^ ^ ft ^ t t ^ ^ %«Tcn ??r% ^ 3TFt*TT I 3 R qTT q&STl ?>TT 'Terr ^htt ^rqr^ | fa facr?rT q 7 ^ ^ ^ » tt m arrcft spt % m r *ft gtan... P c q ^ t | %fh . factfTT fasrer qft ^ r r (*I**Fl)... 'qrff^' i ^fa?r ^ ?r»nr qr* 3rr®r ^rR sr^r qrrsrfTcRt smsr % 12 fftsft qrrir % %q; f*r «rwr ^ ^t»t fa ??r qft f*RT eft frtft fftsft ^t f^TT ^TcT qrt ^srrq fa q T qrr f a ^ r fa?rm qrt ?T5T5r ^rrar *ft «ftr ^?ft f m ^rt qftw f^r ^ f*r?r nrfaqr ?t»t t «ft f3R% 5ft?T cfk =STR ^TT ?TM % TTprW fr^Tt q?t fqjn^ -??r % ^ r r q?T $ ^ z z ?> '4 i tTf^?r tft 3?stft &T1 | ?ft ^ fT ^ t 3TT=q ?> ?T% J frft fcft ft frrewr scr^ft « r r *ft fa «r§ ft mr?$( aft i f a u R qrt q*ri ttt srs^r t^T *i i rpffrr ^ ?rfr fo?r «n » ^ ? tft fam «tt fa qftsrrq^fe^ ^ft^mpft^ % qre %f^r s?r q? tft wr?r ?f r 1 1 ^ r f- trfTJRf 3 ^ r | w k srix%cr ^ f t w qft€ ft sires ar? £ i33 ^ n % q?rr % ffor i t ^ifctt f fa ssqrr ft i 5* qt° *Rqnr ft qhfw q?t y q ^ W qrr ^ i ^ snfcr jtr^ t f a Stfft ft 3fc^t ftqr* ?T>T fgRRT S^t »TH5T sft I ^TFT^f^ ^ T^ tlT ^ *nft'ft$FT «IT ^ !*77% % f^TTT ?T3r %5f?r 5 ? R te 48 c tm w ^ r r | ir *r f^ F T R ^flT TOT SPTZ f^TT sftr sarrf? ?eN? spqtfte qit 19 qrft^ 3TTIT 3?T*t qm fW 3TR I 3rf=R 27 HTfc | « qtH^sr % f|m ft w SP>? ^ STT% ^ t JT5ff ?T H «pt ^ tt 1 1 t o t s q? »rl 11 ^*r wqisfta | ^ *it$ftsr % ^ ft ^ trf ^ ?TTf ^ ^ w »rf i ^ f | »ri fa vt ft-qr^9r ^rrf^[ fa srt-arfc shr «f. («wwuf)...»rrft ?rrfa fa?rm qft wrurr ^ ? r fftsr «% i aTTff v t f t ^ t’TcT ?nr snre ««rr#r% ^ r f t ^ft t o ? r vs arm tk fa w r t * W t x s ft i £f*q? ^ 5snr?r srrq^ ^ t w * *rm ? nr *p t « T -*F fm §t ctt ^ w t ?fnf ^ rtt « tpt tiP r I faffpT q?t qj% i J37 Prevtntian oy Insult SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) to National Honour Bill 238

f*w : *TT*fiR <7 the Constitution and the National Anthem. % f«FTR forr ^ I Only in Tamil Nadu there is the Preventio i of Insults to Nation il Honour Act, 1957 which deals with such matter*. It is *ft S»t T n : ** ^ neccssary that there should be a Central law ft? ?«r% ^ *r tit TO>R fsr^TT on these lines. We have, therefore, brought this Bill before the House Clause I of the Bill seeks to lay down f\ *T*WTT £ f% ti\ 5T^ tiik 2r P’lnishmcnls ior tliosr who, in a public piacc, bum, mutilate, defile, c(c. the National sJrRTT FR" «PT 5T5TC»T f W r Flag oi the Constitution Similarly, clause | I Sift s^fV $ iTR5Ttq- »RWf Tt 3 seeks to lay down punishment for the persons who intentionally prevent the sing* faraR % far* *rfWlr % faq ? ft mg ol the National Anthem oi cause ^5[if I, fc «rs f disturbance to any assembly engaged in such singing. f% 3?ra5Y *pre«rr i s r * f r nft tfT ^ Wc have to do eveiything to guard *ftfa f % w ^ r * r^ ?ftr against all threats to our national honour, sovcieignty and integrity, whether such ?*T n SlfsRT *T*TT T>X *PP I threats emanate from outside or from within *FT 'jf'T'T £ ^ ^ fa*T *T% *Ijft 3*IRT the country In tint critical hour, when serious thicats arc hemp, held out by the ?fcrTMrflTrr £ 3TV ?fe^7far Tt %=FT military rulcis of Pakistan, it is ail the more g?T W5RT ft I necessaiy that wc must prevent the occurrence of e\en minor incidents which may give tin* impression that wc arc all not united to guard our sovereignty and freedom. 14.30 lira. I have no doubt that the House will give its whole hearted appro\al to this Bill. PREVENTION OF INSULTS TO NATIONAL HONOUR BILL MR DEPUTY-SPLAKLR . Motion moved : THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE “That the Bill to prevent insults to MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRl national hounor, be taken into consi­ MOHSIN) : Mr. Deputy*Speakcr, Sir, with deration.” your permission, on behalf of Shrj K C. Pant, 1 beg to move : Now, there is an amendment to the motion for consideration by Mr. Daga, Is -That the Bill to prevent insults to he moving it ? national honour, be taken into consi­ deration.’’ SHRI M. C. DAGA (Pali) : No, Sir. Sir, it is not necessary for me to give any detailed explanation regarding the need MR. DfiPUTY-SPFAKER : So, the for this legislative measure. On numerous amendment is not moved. Shri Dasaratha occasions, this House has expressed concern Deb. and indignation at the incidents involving deliberate disrespect to our national symbols. SHRI DASARATHA DEB (Tripura Elements like the extremists who have no East) ; Mr, Deputy-Speaker, Sir, we are faith in democracy and who want to destroy now discussing the Prevention of Insults to everything on which rests our national National* Honour Bill. Apparently, this consciousness have been indulging in such Bill appears to be innocent as it seeks to incidents in an organised manner. Such uphold the high honour of our National incidents are serious not only being likely to Flag, the National An them and the occasion disturbances of public order but Constitution. As the ho3. Minister also also as threats to our national honour- said, this Bill seeks to punish those who We do not have at present any Central insult our National Flag, our National jaw to deal with overt acts Involving insults Anthem and our Constitution. Therefore, fo ow national sytobols—the National Flag, it deserves to receive wkte support as it 239 Prevention o f Insult AUGUST 11, 1971 to National Honour Bill 240

[Sh ri Dashratha Deb] touches our national sentiment. But as interpret it according to their sweet will. legislators we must not be guided by senti­ Of course, the Minister may say that in the ment alone. When we are going to enact Explanation, they have given certain things. a legislation to give punishment to those But this Explanation is not sufficient because who insult our National Flag, our National we have got enough experience about that. Anthem and our Constitution, we must see When we legislated the Maintenance of if there is any loophole in the Bill which Internal Security Act, enough assurances may be misused, and we must plug it. were given that this particular black Act The approach of this Bill apparently would not be used against their political ~ sounds nice. It is expected also that every­ opponents or against any political party but one of us will agree that every citizen of that it is meant for preventing the Pakistani India ought to respect our National Flag, spies, etc, etc. That was the assurance our National Anthem and our Constitution. given on the floor of the House by the There is no doubt about it. But that does Minister. But we now find that even the not mean that anybody would be prevented people living in remote places like Madras, for suggesting any change in the provisions trade union leaders, were arrested and put of the Constitution if he or she considers inside jail under this Maintenance of Internal that any particular provision of the Constitu­ Security Act. What have these people got tion does not serve the interest of the to do with internal security ? The trade majority of the people. After all, it is the union leaders, people who have been fighting right of the people to suggest any change in for the improvement of the workers* the provisions of the Constitution ; it is the conditions, were detained under the pro­ right of the people even to change the visions of this Act. So, their assurance National Anthem or to change the National i% something but in actual practice they Flag. That right should not be forfeited are doing the other thing. Our Party by any legislation. gives due respect to the national flag and the national anthem. We ought to respect After all the people arc the makers of it But, at the same time, we do not the Constitution. They are the makers of consider our constitution is sacrosanct. In the national flag and also they are the fact, we have changed many things in it. makers of the national anthem. The people We have adopted many amendments to our must be kept above all because the national constitution. Two years before when our constitution is meant for the people and Party spokesman, Mr. E. M S. Namboodiri- not the people for the constitution. We pad suggested changing the constitution, must remember that thing also. lock, stock and barrel, then other people I want to point out that in clause 2 it is took objection to it. Not only that, cases said ; were instituted against him in the court. “ Whoever in any public place or in But, now I understand wisdom has dawned any other place within public view burns, upon the ruling party which now thinks that mutilates, defaces, defiles, disfigures, it is high time and they have brought an destroys, tramples upon or otherwise amendment to the constitution. We feel brings into contempt (whether by words, that such occasions may arise in future also either spoken or written, or by acts)..." because we are very clear about our constitu­ tion. This Constitution which was framed Our amendment is this : for the interests of the landlords and the Page 1, lines 8 and 9,— Bourgeois classes is not meant to serve the interests of the workers, peasants and the omit “ or otherwise brings into contempt toiling masses who form the overwhelming (whether by words, either spoken majority of our population. For their or written, or by acts)” interests, we have to change our constitution, We feel even without these words, it is all many provisions of the constitution. right. If anybody burns the Constitution or the national flag or mutilates or defaces or If you legislate this law, then, if defiles or disfigures or destroys, that itself is anybody addresses a public meeting and sufficent. If you keep these words ‘whether criticises certain provisions of the Constitu­ by words, either spoken or written*, then tion or demands amendment of the Constitu­ you five « lpoplwle to the?? people to tion, immediately, $u?fe king* of person? 241 Prevmtlon of Insult SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) to National Honour Bfll 242 can be executed under this Jaw. We should has got to be cultivated among our people. therefore be very careful about that. That is It should not be done through legislation, why we want to make certain amendments inflicting punishments upon them. Therefore, here. Not only that. If you keep the while supportin g this Bill, r have to express wording as it is, that is, "brings into con- certain critici~ms and s•tggest certain changes. tempt whether by words either spoken or Thank you. written or by acts"-there is the possibility of this power being misused by the executive; P,;{f ~ src:rrtt f~i! (arn:r;;jcpr) : +rrrrrrr1f an d in fact, it has tai(en place. Honour of the National Flag, honour of the Constitu- ~"-'lf~ GfT, it ;qr':fCfi'T ~G'1f rr '-'TPIT~T ~ tion- these are all things which have got to ;;rr arrcr;r ~~ <:rts ~ - rrhcr apprri'f-f'fcrrwr be established by persuasion, by meaningful propaganda and education. By appealing for~Cfi'. 19 7 1 i't'T ar ( ~a l'fr1(01'~~ form to the consciousness of the people this can q~ ;qq;'j f r"fn: sFr.-:: '11<:::, if.T >;r;;f!+:r'!:. ;q;rfc:r'l' lf~ cor ?.:if ~ 1 Gfi'far Cfi'T mq- is all. Therefore, you have to mobilise rrr~ m~<: Cfi~a- ~ public opinion in this regard. Immediately r Cfi'T g-!r Q:T ll'Hrrrlf it one individual says something and you take ;r;:;rT~ >;rTf~ fcrq..-ill'-'TT Cfi'T i~ Cfi' <:~ iF After all, '' e have to educate our people. We have to make them conscious about the f~Q- Q:?l ~~

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?T5TT ^|Tr ffrft «rr«^ i ^ *rr*T’ft?r I would like to make one more sugges­ tion. We give education to our childien, * w® % «it«f ?rm€ t ssrr |Yft i small cnildren, starting from the kinder­ *rrsr n?r a| ^rf^cT fotft «T3^ ^ The punishment prescribed is three 2t«P VTT3RT & *T5Tcr STlrT «Pf ^ ?ft years. I suggest that it should be made a 3*ra?V 5£T5T ^ jtt ?nff ?frft * rrf^ i minimum of six months and a maximum of three years Otherwise, a light punishmc-tt TO3^ 5* ^*r wrf^ i *nr s a t o r of two days or five days will not serve the ?ft flPCT «FT ?> I W*T tit ^ # 3T^?T purpose. STWt £ 3 fh =^T%^, ?rp R cfVfT The national song is sung at any time of the day from morning to evening at pub­ «nf eft f a ? f t ^r|f sfrrr i lic meetings and o»her places. Some time should be fixed for it, so that it may not be SHRI DHAMANKAR (Bhiwandi) : Mr. sung after 10 or 11 in the night or very Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I rise to support and early in the morning. Otherwise, in schools welcome this Bill. This Bill has been especially there are function* from morning brought rather late, ft should have been till evening, and every time the boys have brought some years earlier After Indepen­ to get up for the national anthem. dence, for the first five or six years, we Generally when the national anthem is found that there was a feeling that we have sung at public meetings, the p'ople stand achieved this National Flag through the up and honoui it. For this I must give sacrifice of hundreds of martyrs and it is credit to the Government and also to Mr. our duty to honour it. But since the last Warad of Bombay who was striving hard eight to 10 years we find that there Is a feel­ for the last 10 or 12 years and pointing out ing to disregard or pay disrespect to this to the Government instances where there national emblem especially in the cinemas. was disrespect shown to the national an­ We find that when the cinema show comes them and the national emblems. to an end, many people get up and start It is but proper that this Bill has been going out of the various doors This is a brought forward by the Government, and 1 very wrong attitude. hope it will minimise and check the ten­ Secondly, some English films exhibit the dency, especially among young boys, to title of the pictme at the end, when the disrespect or disregard the national flag. picture is over. When the title starts, people become rather uneasy and impatien', piW W TOpntl (g^TT) : qft and they go out of the cinema house I would suggest to the Minister that no film firar tnirT I g t should be allowed, especially foreign films, i* iff fasr arjer smn to exhibit the title at the end of the show. The title should be shown in the beginning «rr i t o *rs*r % v i t o sre* of the picture so that this situation would 3 3 ftt *ror $ % *rfa«rnT m w-wft fa*rr not arise and the people will readily stand up and show respect to the National *r?rr | , *m r?r fo m srrerr Flag. t, TOjta *rrc ?ft *rwm ffcrr snm 1 1 249 Prevention o f Insult SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) to National Honour Bill 250 wrrft vm TOTTT t* itot tot I f W « m r tk, f«?pr n ^Tfftr i

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SHRI O. VISWANATHAN (Wandi- not have the mens, ree for committing the wash) : Sir, the Bill to prevent Insults to offence. Niithmt Honour seeks to punish those who I think, both the Congress parties will at'ajk «'ie mtional symbols by burning, hereafter abandon their flags tra nplm defiling or mutilating them in a public place. The Minister pointed out that Again, the dividing line between disres­ it is almost a carbon copy of the 1957 Mad­ pect and disapprobation or criticism seem* ras Act, to be very thin. We have heard of a case against Shi i E.M S. Nai.iboodiripdd when Sir, when we are providing for exces­ he criticized the tudiciary and the Consti­ sive punishment we have to consider whether tution. But wc hear the same thing now the people are educated about the use ot from the Treasurv Benches. 1 heard argu­ naional flag and about the national anthem ments from so many barrister ministers A) *he same time we have alsJ to consider criticizing the judiciary, particularly the wliethei anybody can immitate the national Supreme Court What is this double flajf At present there are two political standard If Shri Namboodiripad speaks, Pirties in this country—the Ruling Congress he is prosecuted ; when a minister from the and the Opposition Congress —who arc hav- Treasury Benches speaks, he is applauded. flags similar to the national flag and re- There must be only one standard or yard­ ce-nbling the aa'innal flag. Due to this simi- stick for all of us. la ty of the fligs there is lot of confusion not m 'y among the public but even among the I have heard and read about the Con­ C lugressmen as to which is the national gress Parliament try Party discussing the fhg and which is the party flag There are Constitution. I p >int out this specifically rules for the u^c of the national flag which bccause there it> an Fxplanation in clause 2 have been framed during the Constituent which savs that genuine ciiticism will be Assembly I (hink they are not at all allowed and one v. ill not be prosecuted foi followed by Congressmen. Then how are that. I want to know which is genuine we going to make people aware and how are criticism and which is going to be an we going to educate tbcm tha* this will dis­ offence. Shri K. D. Malaviya is reported tinguish the national flag from the Congress io have said in the Congie*s Parliamentary Party flag During elections I had seen Party meetinj? that the Indian Constitution people carrying the national flag in Congress was nothing but a bundle of contradictions. meetings This has happened many a time. I want to know from the Minister whether Therefore, I think, it is high time that just Shri Malaviya comes under the purview of as both the Congress parties during the elec­ this Bill or not So, where is the dividing tion time abindoned the election symbol of line between disapprobation and the bullocks they now take the decision that offence ? they will not have a similar flag which re­ Again, I heard some Members speaking, sembles the national flag. I think both the of course rightly, with emotion and saying Congress pirtie< will have to be forced to that this punishment of three years is low abandon this flag which resembles the and that it should be S, 7 or 10 years. As national flag a student of law and as a lawyer I think, the punishment is slightly exresM .e, tf it Again there are times when they fly the tricolour flag without Ashoka Chakra or is possible, the Government can rcJuce the term of imprisonment to either one year or Charkha six months. What shall we take it for - the national flag or the party flag ? Before implementing this Bill wo have to educate the public specially regarding clause 3 about the national anthem. There SHRI M. C DAGA : How can it be are thousands and thousands of people the national flag when it is without the rushing out of the theatre when the national charkha ? anthem is being sung. Some hon. Member said that all of them should be called SHRI O. VISWANATHAN : But the traitors. If that yardstick is used, there Bill provides for stringent punishment. One are millions and millions of traitors all over may not be punished but one can be prose­ the country. I cannot call them traitor*. cuted. One will have to prove that jt was They are citizens. If they have got urgent pot the national flag and that on« did work, they can go. But they must be tn 255 Prevention o f Insult AUGUST 11, 1971 to National Honour Bill 256

[Shri 0 , Vlswanathan] formed and educated before implementing m ^ t ^ ffcT ?r«r»T 11 this Bill that such an act is punishable and that they will be prosecuted, because after I \ fsRTf^r m f , prosecution they will be told that ignorance aft W t apf | of law is no excuse ; this Act has been passed by Parliament. Therefore, after w i f 1 1 * t5t r 3Tf ?r^ «rr f a t o $ shtt passing this Bill Government must take ^ ?>*t ?r%nr I p i vftlft % some time to educate the Public regarding % nh* % ^r the punishment and other things of this Bill sflnwr'T fa ir t =F^rr ^ r|c n f f a Finally, 1 want to know how manv of cffa5TiTT$ *r f 3 ifcft w r q *rzt titx «r$t us are aware of the use of national flag and other things. I do not know how many TK Zff OTT f f f a THS? % V& W7T deputy ministers are aware whether they can f a q r »nrr i TOfa^ ^tstt^t fo r §*rr i ^ fly the national Rag on their residences and on their cars. I think, most of them may TO m M t rfr^r tfFT *Pt *TifT ^>T TO^T not be aware. Recently I read that deputy f^T t —^ qw ? I ?ft ftr# i to^t ministers of the Central Government are not entitled to fly the flag on their residence JTcnr^ ^ ?r^r | fa ?tpt ^ ?nrr ft but they are entitled to fly the flag only on i «t»tt fa*rr %, their cars. If this is going 10 be the case even for those who are making the law, 1 W? vOT «pt m fTKT T|T | think, the public are entitled to know all ^ ^?t ?ft*r ?rr5T % i rft^r about the use of the flag and the National Anthem. Wc must give them enough time ^ t ?nn *rr *r?_ to ^ f^rr | and educate them before implementing this ?ft ^ t i ^ Bill. While welcoming the Bill I will request ?ftr ?rrq f fa to w 7 ^ft^ t that the notification of this Bill must be ?tt w T rtfw % fa|ft qr 3ft given enough time so that the people will get educate about it. srttT'T f ^t 3tft ?ftr rat ’rc «&f ^rf^r f i « ft ¥ im (qrert) : g q r a w TO^ | — Shall be punished with jrraHta imprisonment for a term which may extend WFW % to fasr «st to three years, or with fine,... vtfsTsr ?r$r *?t | *T5T5T5T fa STTS5T STTiS I 3TTT ^ WTT ffcprpt tft tit sFtlw 11 *?tf nfar * f t t o ^ 1 15rrr ffr^sr $ *rr t f t a r qft mff | fa srre fifr to fa fcre wrr ’qifgtr «ir \ srrq w m % fasff qtft % f^JIT fa 5TR q»TTO rift qiT^ff tit $ i SrfajT Sf fss t , sft facTTT ^*t tit JT^t | TO faST if | tft $ srfr f i to fair TO^ ^ ’TT^IT $t?TT I fa ?nq vft fasr ?rr % fin; to s m r fsFr srnn *tt i t | t 3ITq T O T *15 I f a 5ft ?ft*T | fa *fTO*FT ^rr^flR “FT T T ^ T *fk«T % ^ w afrcTTtfta qfrngffffr % i # sranflErr v m R qjT% I , ^ r % fa^ncTf t 5 f a 3«r ^ arf^r 11 ^feftsr a m g?r?t faSTfft ^ r f m ^ n f»T5r spT arr* mu 3ftx m f t jgfSprr fnr ^nrr f*r?r i fa «t^t ^rur qTfa*rr- W eft t fa TOTO TT^q- K«T *pVt ST $ ^TvT^hr gft % *n«HSF fWT af| ^ «ptt*r vr ^ir m $ 1 tfrr *r*r ^iTW«pfr«rt i 3fa?r qTfimnfe % 257 Prevention o f Insult SRAVANA. 20, 1893 (SAKA) to National Honour Bill 258

®f?t€ S F P T R *FTcTT | eft ^ They should be straightway banned from using the tri-colour. I can cite many $r srrorr 1 1 ^ ^ f*r^r *jtt instances during the last elections where fa «TTf?nrTite $ 3ft 3RT«T sfftRT ^ incidents have taken place. I have myself seen that when they do not have a % a fa % s r r ^ aft ^ r ? r r ^rr?% Congress flag, they just use the national $ ^rrT T t TO7 ap^TT I ^ flag and draw a line and make it a cfwrkha out of the A«.hoka vhakra. There should ’SJTTPT $ 3ft JTSt d ft^ t t qr$T ®frt be an end to it. For all time to come the it m r ^ -ft sftft^ sn Congress Party, eith<*i the Congiess (O) or the Congress (R) snonld not be allowed to | i...(® m T*r)...qTfererfe if use the tri-colour v their pirty flag srt*r?t spt p i faSrq- ^ r ^ T T | ^ f - ^ Now, coming to mv othei frtends who *17 ^T^cf | fa 'ITgT Constitution of India . SHRI P. K. DLO : It is the Commu­ sprc *t nist Par1\ of Indu and the CP-M. q-ir^frr =5rr^ | sfk srsrcr *t | SHRI S. M BANERJEE : That is not eft ^?r% flrwt sitamwsft irr^r the flag of any other countiv That is a working class flag. You must read his­ ^ ft i i*r% sr*TT ?-t w f t ?t^ t ^ fa^»ft i tory ( Interruptions). He is a product of *t m?, ^ X f J «TT fa 3ft «ft»T 3TH %% WK British imperialism. % «ftrar TO ^WFT ^Tp^t t sfk MR. DKPUTY-SPEAKBR : This is a TTEft^r t f t ^ % fer^ffT ^ faFRrt «rar ?nft little outside the scope. £ *rg sffa JTg S T R ^ R T3T a p ^ | 5PT«rr SHRI S. M. BANERJEfc : Our erst­ fsr«r s fa P i ^ f a * ^ while Maharajas are using their own flags in their cars. I will show it. ^Ttfa^fT^ *t 'TfffW ^ F fir i f a qrr^fT T t scrrr feq$T5?r SHRI P. K. D rO : Those are standards and not flags. facr | Every nation must have only one national flag. But we find in Jammu find SHRI P. K. DEO (Kaiahandi) : Mr. Kashmir there is a separate flag for tho State Deputy-Speaker. Sir, I am one of those who of Jammu and Kashmir. This is a very played a certain part in the integration of wiong and this practice should be disconti­ this country and placed everything that our nued. Similarly, an attempt was made in forefathers built at the feet of Mother India. Tamil Nadu to have a flag which they call­ I deem it my privilege to support a Bill ed it later as standatd. of this kind. Sir, the Deputy Minister in his speech tried to pass the bi ck to the extremists who AN HON. MEMBER : What about either dishonour or disfigure the National President ? Flag. But if anybody has to be blamed, it should be the Congress Party who try SHRI P. K. D E O : Such practices to misguide the public by imitating the should stop and even on Rashtrapati National Flag and have more or less an Bhavan wc expect the National Flag to identical flag like the National Flag for flutter party purposes. Patriotism is not the mono* Regarding ^ N.dynal Xnthem, the pply t 259 Nationalised AUGUST 11, 1971 Banks (Dis.) 260

[Shri P. K. Deo] represent the old British India and it has no are bound to be certain problems which relevance to our present reality. It says, would require some time for their satis­ “ Punjab, Sindhu, Gujarat, Maratha” — factory solution. So, if we try to examine there is no Sindh at all. Sindh ha? gene the functioning of the banks, it is only with to Pakistan. So, there should be a timely a view to improving it and making them change to it.. ( Interruptions). into really socialist institutions. Otherwise, Lastly, I would like to point out that what Trotsky said might come out to be the punishment should be n^ade more rigo­ true : ‘Means of production belong to the rous and any attempt to insult or deface or State and the State belongs to bureau­ destroy or mutilate or trample our National cracy.’ Flag should be more rigorously dealt with. Although my intention is also to go over to the other juicy aspect of the dis­ cussion, 1 would certainly not like to be «TT«& (tT^T^F^TR) : accused of ignoring some of the important «fo=R, ’ TCjfW fSR- stft 5Tfac3T *rfw aspects of the economic Functions of the % ^ ^ f ^ 14 banks. «T»IT5T, ^47 qrt TTfT % 12 5T% *T 15.31 hrs.

|Shui K. N. Tiw vhy in the Chair} aft spt spjrsrrr ir sm ?) ^TSf^rt % f?n& ^ *rr fa*rfTrr foqr We have now got some of the accounts of the nationalised banks and theic are some ^ TTrTT £frrFTf»7T gt Tjft other icports also which give us infoimation *ft ?i*pt srtT 3*rnr w ?t to judge their perfoimance. In the first instance, we find there has 3 ? t ?rte tffc **t ^ been impressive incieasc in the opening of % s r o . . . the new branches in unbanked areas ; theic MR. DHPUTY-SPEARER : You can has also been diversification of credit. Some continue tomorrow or the next day. of the sections of society which were pre­ viously completely neglected are now being given the aid which they very much deserve. Although we have spent Rs. 300 crores or 15.30 hrs. so on this branch expansion scheme-1 would like to check up this figure with the DISCUSSION RI' : WORKING OF Finance Minister—and although the amount NATIONALISED BANKS spent has been so much, we have jet to cover a much large number of villages accor­ MR. DFPUTY-SPEAKER : Now we ding to our scheme. But, at the moment, we take up the discussion on the working of find, we are overstressed both financially and the nationalised banks managerially even to bring about the kind Mr. Shyamnandan Mishra. of expansion that we annually propose. So, what exactly is the scheme to make up for SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA these deficiencies in respect of the managerial (Begusarai) : Right in the beginning I would and the financial resources ? like to say that the time that has been We find that the growth in deposit rates allotted for the discussion of this important has not kept pace with the growth in ad­ subject is totally inadequate. However, I vances, and thus the resources have not been would first like to emphasise that I am not mobilised to the desired extent. It goes raising this discussion ; in any spirit of without saying that till the deposit increase carping criticism. we would not be able to fulfil the public We have naturally some weaknesses for policies we have adopted. Their has been the nationalised banks, and therefore, if at no doubt significant increase in the overall all. we can accused of over-looking some of deposits, but, however, it is difficult to say its deficiencies. We also recognise that in how mucii of this increase in the deposits the initial phases of nationalisation there hM beeo due to inflation and bow much 261 Nationalised SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) Banks (Dis.) 262 due to additional effort. It is possible that SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : some of it has been due to the automatic It means they get commission. spill-over on account of inflation. The paral­ The labour situation also seems to have lel functioning of ‘black money’ is res­ deteriorated. Strikes are more frequent, ponsible for inadequate in flow of the and work-to-rule also has become more fre­ deposits. What is being done in this con­ quent. So, we do not kciow how Govern* nection ? Probably, the Government seems ment has been able to infuse the spirit of a to be hesitating itself to do something in socialist institution in the labour population. that respect now. I here seems to be enough of hesitation in takiog action against lack of discipline or But the more important and pertinent against the corrupt officials. thing to ask is this. Why is the directive of the Reserve Bank of India prohibiting With regard to the differential rates of non-banking companies from accepting interest, thare has been a report by a Com* deposits, flagrantly circumventcd ? Unless mittec that the majority view seems to be that loophole is plugged the desired amount opposed to these differential rates. Recently, of resources would not flow into the we came to read in the newspapers that the banks. Government seems to have agreed or seems to be inclined to agree with the minority A word with regard to profits. I find report... that profits, after bonus, remain very nearly the same as in the year 1968 in spite of a THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI much larger turn-over. The rate of such YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : No. net profits to the working funds has con­ siderable gone down, and transfer of profits SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : to the Government also has been meagre. If that is so, Government should make it It was stipulated that transfer of profits to clear. the Government would be of the order of But one thing that must be emphasised s.5 per cent. But what wc find is this. In is that at the moment even the poor people the case of 3 Banks, the transfer has been who are able to get loans are able to get of the order of less than 5 per cent ; in the them only after having incurred exorbitant ease of another 3, less than 4 per cent ; and and usurious rates in making available the in the case of the Central Bank of India required advancc. That is, if they arc re­ it has been only 1 8 per cent, that is, quired to make an advance of about 20 per nominal. cent, then this 20 per cent is available to As regards the United Commercial Bank, them at exorbitant and usurious rates from I do not know whether it is produced its the general market. So, unless something final accounts. is done about it, the poor people would not tcally be in a position to benefit by the Mr. Chairman, you must yourself have scheme. observed that in respect of the scrvice to the Now, I would like to make a few sug­ general public, there seems to be a steep gestions to make the banks function as real deterioration. There is inefficient service, instruments of planning I would suggest there are inordinate delays and there is cor­ that there must be specialisation by these ruption also. We have been talking so much nationalised banks, specialisation region-wise, about corruption on so many occasions that specialisation industry-wise and specialisation it may well be that this corruption that the trade-wise. If at all something is being public is facing in respect of the functioning done in that respect, ve would like to know of the banks also might be taken rather less about it. seriously. But may I say that now it has Wc have got many financial institutions become much too popular in some of the functioning under the auspices of the areas that there are two-per cent-walah Government which dispense large amounts balms, 3 per cent-walah babus, 10 per cent- of loans to industries. There could be a walah babus and so on ? That impression very fruitful collaboration between these roust be somehow rooted out. financial institutions and the banks in order to serve the interests of planning. I would AN HON. MEMBER : What docs like to know whether there is any attempt walah-babu mean ? to bring about this much-needed collabo- 263 Nationalised AUGUST 11, 1971 Banks (Dis.) 264

[Shri Shyamnandan Mishra] ration and co-operation between the financial mind or the mind of the general public institutions like the 1FC, the State Financial which is so full of suspicion. I hope the Corporation and so on. Finance Minister would be honest enough It is also somewhat surprising that to say that his mind is also full of suspicion Parliament is not associated with the func­ as to how all this happened in such a tioning of the banks in a proper way. I fantastic and unbelievable way. If he is do not mean to suggest, even remotely, that not kind to others, he must at least be kind Parliament should interfere in the day-to- to himself. day functioning and transactions of the bank. The way in which the trial of Nagarwala We have get the Public Undertakings was conducted on the 27 May by the sub­ Committee which goes into the functioning ordinate court when the case was disposed of the public undertakings But this Com­ of in less than five minutes is also perhaps mittee is not expected to go into the a rare case in history. As has been suggested, functioning of the banks Would it not be the whole thing was done at supersonic advisable that some kind of a parliamentary speed. We have heard of justice delayed, committee should come into being to go but this is justice done with supersonic into the functioning of the banks ? That speed. is my suggestion. It is obvious that the submerged portion Then, credit planning also seems to be of the iceberg cannot be explored by any quite unsatisfactory. Otherwise, we would proceedings in the court. The need, there­ not have found ourselves in the situation in fore, for a proper probe by a Commission is which we are today. We know there is lack clearly indicated. If this is not a case for of coarse cloth. Why is not credit planning inquiry by a Commission, one does not done in such a way that it is related to the know what else is. The wav in which the production of particular items ? That could Government has been evading this demand have been brought about. Therefore, much of MPs and the general public deepens the requires to be done with regard to credit suspicion that the Government is not planning. Why so much of banking resources interested, for reasons best known to it, to had been kept booked so far as sugar is have all the facts brought to light. concerned 7 Why was there not enough of foresight with regard to this ? One can go SHRI K. D. MALAVIYA (Domaria- on in this vein. But I would not like to ganj): It is sub judice. go into all that just now. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 1 1 am now coming to the aspect which know what 1 am saying ; I am not referring has been very much before, the public mind, to any matter which is sub judice. If you that is what I mean by the juicy aspect of allow me two hours, I can go on speaking the functioning of the nationalised banks. on this without touching on any matter This relates to what has been characterised which is sub judice. as the most serious fraud in the century— the Nagarwala case. It is not only because No one can dispute that the procedural of the imagination of some persons that such requirements were thrown to the winds a characterisation of this affair has come when Rs. 60 lakhs were withdrawn from the about. Even the Finance Minister was Bank. The Finance Minister does agree pleased to say that it was a most fantastic with this, and yet we have not been told if and unbelievable story ; the entire course of any departmental action against the officers what had happened appeared to be a serious concerned has been initiated and completed thing, and it is something that deepeas by now. If they have not taken any action, suspicion. This is what the Finance Minister it is a clear case of dereliction of duty on was pleased to say in the course of the call the part of the Government. If they have, attention motion on the subject. He further they should shaie with us the results of the said that the manner in which the operation departmental inquiry. was conducted and the money taken out of The State Bank also must have got the the bank's vault required serious considera­ report from the officers concerned in this tion Despite all this anxiety, shock and matter. If so, the Government should be surprise exhibited by him, no effort seems pleased to place all these papers on the to have been made to clear either his own Table. 265 Nationalised SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) Banks (/>*.) 266

Wha t reports have they got from the it was money out of the currency chest. One senior officers ? It is unbelievable that the would like to know what the objectives of Chief Cashier, Mr. Malhotra, would not this currency chest are. What objective is have submitted any report to the bank, any this currency chest expected to serve ? Who explanation—so far as his part was operates it ? What has been the normal concerned. If he has, this also should be holding in the currency chest during the last made available to us. one or two years ? One would like to know It is amazing that the Agent of the State about this. Bank of India has not figured in the whole episode at all. To my mind, the primary MR. CHAIRMAN : The hon. Member’s responsibility rests with the Agent of the time is up. He has taken 20 minutes. It State Bank of India. He holds the key to is a two-hour discussion, the strong-room and it is he who has released the entire amount, this huge amount of SHRI PILOO MODY (Gorihra) : Since Rs. 60 lakhs or so. What has this gentle­ he is initiating the debate, he may be man to say about this matter ; whether any permitted to continue for some time more. action has been taken against him ? Whether You may be strict with the others. he has submitted any report in this regard, is also extremely important. MR. CHAIRMAN : The time allotted is two hours, out of which you have taken SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : 20 minutes already. Which gentleman ? SHRI P. K. DEO (Kalahandi) : You SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : may extend the time bv another half an The Agent who is primarily responsible foi hout or one hour. ( Interruption). the transactions in the bank ; whether he has submitted any report in this connection. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : He holds the key to the strong-room, and What have been the withdrawals from the it is he who must say something to clear deposits in the currency chest ? Another our doubt. question which arises is, what have been the It is also obvious from what Mr. withdrawals from deposits in the currency Malhotra has said to the police thpt he got chest of the State Bank of India, Parlia­ a telephonic message at 11.30 a.m . If that ment Street Branch, during the course of is so, it is clear that this amount was not the last six months ? We would like to withdrawn at the beginning of the oflicc- know about all that. hours. It must have been in the second withdrawal, and if it was done in the second SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : withdrawal, there must have been additional About what 7 justification trotted out by him for the withdrawal of this amount,—a justification SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : convincing enough for the withdrawal of a Withdrawals from the currency chest during huge amount of this kind,—because he him­ the course of the last six months or so. self says that it was at 11.30 a.m . that he got a telephonic message from somewhere. SHRI PILOO MODY : Similar with- We have got an important document drawals. with us, the reply of the hon. Finance Miniter, to the letter of the hon. Mr. Basu, SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : in this connection. In the first instance, it Similar withdrawals from the State Bank seems to me that this reply took inordi­ of India. nately long time. The Finance Minister • took about 20 days' time. If the matter SHRI PILOO MODY . Whatever It was so simple and the information to be may be ; similar withdrawals. shared with us was so ordinary, it could have taken only 10 minutes of his time. But he SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : has taken 20 days. What flows from that What are the rules for the withdrawals ? letter is also extremely important. Can a cashier withdraw any amount without The Finance Minister's letter says that reference to any rules ? Has he to get the 267 Nationalised AUGUST 11, 1971 Banks (JHs,) 268

(Shri S hyamnandan Mishra! approval of any higher officers for with­ shortage of the Currency Register balance* drawal ? Is there any iu Ic for withdiawinp amount of Rs. 60 lakhs had been debited to large amounts and small amounts separately? the Bank’s Suspense Account as is the If any withdrawal has to be made, is it not normal practice when immediate recovery is to be against some account ? This is a not possible. So. the question arises : when question which the Finance Minister has any amount is debited to the Bank’s been persistently refusing to answer. On Suspense Account, what are the rules for which account was this withdrawn ? doing so ? Under what conditions is the amount to be debited to the Suspense AN HON. MEMBER : Telephone Account ? Is it possible to debit this to the call. Suspense Account without mentioning the name of the party, the Account against SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : which the withdrawal is made, the reasons From wherever it might be. Against which for which the recovery is not immediately account was it withdrawn ? That is a possible ? These are the questions which we question which requires an answer, and the would like to be answered with regard to Financc Minister cannot be let off this the currency chest and the Suspense evening if he is not able to give us an Account. answer with regard to this. It is said that the recovered amount was entrusted to the Bank under a *‘Supardari” SHRI PILOO MODY : And to which Bond—may be it is a Urdu word—and account it would have been debited. entered in the Bank's sundry deposits register and the money is continued to be SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : held under the “ Supardari” Bond. Why is In reporting to the Reserve Bank, is there money continued to be held under this any proforma to be filled ? If so, what bond ? If the money is related to some are the heeds of the pro forma 0 Is it not account, why is the money not transferred shown against some account ? Against to that account ? "that is the real question. what account was this withdrawal shown, and was it communicated to the Reserve We would also like to know how many Bank on the 24(h evening ? Fven if there times during the course of the last one year is no head in the proforma to be submitted withdrawals made from the currency chcst to the Reserve Bank, are we not entitled (o and debited to the Bank’s Suspense Account. know against which acconut it has been Were all the withdrawals, made during the withdrawn as it must have been recorded in course of tbe last one year, related to the State Bank Register itself ? Is the certain accounts ? If not, in how many amount in the currency chest unrelated to cases was it not so The reply of the any account—what are amount is there in Finance Minister on this point has been the currency chest ? Is all this money extremely unsatisfactory. unrelated to any account ? We must know about that. Another thing which seems to us as extremely amazing is that it has not been It is said that whenever money is with­ treated as a case of conspiracy. It could drawn from the currency chcst, entry is not have been the solo performance of Mr. made in the Ba ik’s Vault Register. What Malhotra of Mr. Nagarwala. There must arc the heads under which entries are made have been a large number of persons acting in this Register ? Does it not show in league and in perfect concert, but we do the names of the party for whom not know what happened to all those per* the amount is withdrawn, and also sons who had been working on this. There the account against which the ampunt is must have been a large number of persons withdrawn ? Even if the Vault Register associated with this operation in the Bank is now in the custody of the police, the itself. Some colloies were employed to put heads under which the entry is made the big box of money weighing about 64 k.g. must be mentioned to us, because there in the staff car. Then, there were some must be a standard pro forma for every other persons who must have been associa­ Vault Register. ted at various stages of the withdrawal of It is said that to account for the this amount. 269 Nationalised SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) Banks (Dis.) 270

But we really do not know whether all know the identity of that place and what the officials in the State Bank are mere kind of persons were putting up there. So, dolls ; they hear nothing, do nothing and the police has been behaving in the most perform nothing. Then, what are these extraordinary fashion. officials for ? Why has this case not been Now, if the police bc\:ives in this extra­ treated as a case of conspiracy ? Why has ordinary fashion, if the trial is conducted in the case been started only against one or this extraordinary fashion, if the govern­ two persons ? Why were both persons not ment do not fake sufficient interest in it, presetuted at the same time ? Why were would that not lend weight to the charge they not impleaded and the ease proceeded that they arc interested in putting a cloak against them ? over the whole matter and that they arc One word more in this connection. not interested in things coming to light ? According to newspaper reports two other So, 1 would again einphasi/c that it is persons were arrested along with Shri extremely necessary that the government Nagarwala. But wc leally do not know must agree to the appointment of a com­ who Ihose two persons were We had never mission to fully probe this matter. Then been made to know about those two persons. alone would the public mind be satisfied on If those two persons were arrested in the this account. beginning, why were they released later on ? That is another question which has to be SHRI D1NHSH CHANDRA ansueicd in this connection. GOSWAMI (Gauhati' : Sir, the nationalisa­ I’nKilIy, I would like to say one thing tion of banks was one of the major steps about the police So l;u as this aspect of taken by our government to implement its the matter is concerned, although 1 must socialist policies. In fact it was the culmi­ say that 1 have not been able to go into nating point which led to the historic full details ol the functioning of the police, division of the Congress. It was one of 1 feel that the police has behaved in the our major planks on which wc fought and most extraordinary manner. won the mid-term elections recently. It is therefore just and proper that Parliament MR. CHAIRMAN : Here the discussion should consider the working of the nationa­ is about the functioning of banks and not lised bank provided we can do it without about the functioning of the police. political motivations. 16.00 hrs. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : I am referring to the functioning of the Statistics would reveal that after natio­ police in relation to banks. The police nalisation of Banks substantial benefits have claimed in the beginning that they have got come to the negletcd sector of the economy. the tape-recording of the voice of Shri Prior to nationalisation of banks the Nagarwala imitiating the voice of a women. banking facility was available primarily to Whosoever this women might be, we the people in the urban areas and the rural thought it was necessary to produce this areas, the small-scale industries and agri­ tape-record before the magistrate. But it culturists were completely neglected Before was never done. nationalisation, so far as the country is concerned, banking facility was available to SHRI PILOO MODY : Now it has the extent of only one banking office for disappeared. 65.000 people compared to 4,000 people in Britain, 7,000 in USA and (5,000 in Japan. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : Prior to nationalisation we had only 5,000 The police have not permitted us to know, banking centres in the rural areas out of the they have not disclosed, they have not told total Of 5,64,000 villages in the country. us who these two persons were. But after nationalisation we have found Then, six taxis were engaged by Shri that banking centres are coming up in rural Nagarwala during the course of his opera­ areas—in neglected areas. During the tions. We do not know the details of these period from 19th July 1969 to 30th April taxis and about the place where the money 1971 the banks have opened 2,934 branches, was taken. Shri Nagarwala was staying at out of which 2,011 are areas wherein S place in Defence Colony. We do not hirhcrto there were no banking facilities, 27! Nationalised AUGUST II. 1971 Banks (Dis.) 272

[Sh ri Dinesh Chandra Goswami] Also, Sir, we find that the percentage State it has failed to play its desired role. reflects that the rural area has been catered For example in 1970 only 8 branches were to almost 65.6 per cent of the ncwely opened opened by one bank which was asked to branches. There has been rise in bank play the lead role and in 1971 no deposits to the tune of Rs. 461 crores and branch have been opened by it so far also the neglected sectors have come under though 10 licences have been granted and the purview of banks and the proportion of are pending. This makes a sorry reading. advances in these sectors rose from 14.54 When we go to the people and talk of per cent in June 1969 to 21.19 per cent in nationalisation they say you are talking of June, 1970 and 22.81 per cent in March nationalisation but we have not desired any 1971. All these statistics amply reveal that benefit from nationalisation of banks. the working of the nationalised banks Only the policy so far pursued has been taking the entiic country as a whole is not to give credit to persons who have no satisfactory. While saying so, with a note banking facilities within a radius of 10 of regret, I have to say that so far as my miles of their residence, and in my own State of Assam is concerncil the working State so far as the backward districts of of the banks has not been satisfactory. 1 Namrup and Goalpara are concerned, take this opportunity of placing some facts which have been identified by the Planning relating to my Slate before the Finance Commission as backward districts, the vast Minister. One of the objectives of the majority of the people are not getting any policy of nationalisation was to reduce benefit bccause there is no banking facility regional disparity, unfortunate]) nationalisa­ within the radius of 10 miles of the resi­ tion has failed to achieve this objective in dence of these people. Therefore^ I have my State. Upto the end of December 1970 taken this opportunity to draw the attention if 1 am permitted to put the statistics of of the hon. Finance Minister to these facts only one banking institution of my State so that those disparities may be removed there has been an investment of only and people from all walks of life and all Rs. 168 lakhs upto March ’70 and that parts of the country may pet the benefits of investment rose to only Rs. 194 lakhs, and the bank nationalisation. the Banks' estimated increase in investment till December is Rs. 200 lakhs. That means So far as the Nagarwala case is concer­ the entire State has been given only the ned about which Mr. Mishra has spoken so investment of Rs. 6 lakhs by one of the much, he has posed himself both as the major banking institution, that is, the prosecuting counsel and the defence counsel. United Commercial Bunk. The deposit­ I leave it to the hon. Finance Minister to or edit ratio is also depressing—Rs. 348 reply to the queries because 1 am not and lakhs to 168 lakhs. cannot claim to be an expert on banking instiutions. Also we have found that the persons who are managing these backs have not With these words I close. been able to guide themselves by the spirit with which they should have been guided SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE after nationalisation. They are still trying (Burdwan) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, recently to look at the entire metter so far as the tbe fourteen nationalised banks had been creditworthiness is concerned in the same celebrating the second anniversary of the light as it was done before nationalisation. bank nationalisation, but we are sorry to No doubt, the banking institutioa will be say that the performance of these banks motivated or guided by financial principles during the last two years has been such that but after nationalisation the persons who it seems nationalisation of banks has be* are running these institutions should be come the end and not the means to an gufded with a new spirit so that the Neglec­ end. ted persons and tbe agriculturists may The bureaucratic inefficiency, coupled derive benefits. with the fact that there is hardly any May I also draw the attention of the change in the attitude of those parsons who hon. Finance Minister in this context to the are in the management, has denied substan­ fact that so far as the Lead Role that > as tially the real fruits of the bank nationalisa- piveo \q som? pf my tipj) tp th? (omfpQp people of tbit country, 273 Nationalised SRAVANA 20. 1893 (SAKA) Banks (Dis.) 274

The previous management of the banks noi Apart from these particulars to be given, having been changed and the custodians wliich these people are hardly able to do on remaining primarily concerned in serving, as their own, landed property has to be offered before, the vested interests, the monopolists as security before any loan is advanced. One and the big capitalists, to the ordinary can appreciate that wnatever land these people like the agriculturists, the small people may have is probably already encum­ traders, unemployed people like engineers, bered due to loans that they had to take this bank nationalisation has still remained from the mahnjans or the moneylenders in only as a slogan. villages. Unless they can pay off those loans I shall draw the attention of thii House and those encumbrances are cleared, they to certain glaring facts as to the working of cannot offer these properties as securities to these banks which will show that the people these nationalised banks. Av a result of of ihis country generally have not derived this the palicv of giving loans on easy any real benefit fioni bank nationalisation. terms to agriculturists has remained mostly That is why we arc very keen that nationa­ unfulfilled. lisation, which we have all supported, Apart from the landed property, which should yield real benefits to the people at is to be given at> security, these agriculturists large. 1 feel that primal ily, due to procras­ have to get hold of two persons who have tination, bureaucratic control and lack of to gi\c guaiantecs. Which poor agriculturist faith in the fundamcnfaN of welfuie socia­ in the villages can, apart from the difficulty lism, for which the partv in power has to of finding out landed property to be offered share and accept the blame, this sorr\ state as security, find out two guarantors ? With­ of affairs lias been reached. out giving those guarantees no loan applica­ I will give a few instances only as to how tion will even be entertained. This is the the functioning of these banks has not been position. Then what they are forced to do to the real benefits or this country. So far is to go to the local rural rich and take the as financing of agriculture is concerned, the help of those moneylenders to give guaran­ declared policy has been to make credit tees. The practice has been that these people available to small agriculturists. I give the at the instance of moneylenders, make instance of one bank, the United Commer­ applications to the banks. Their encum­ cial Bank. Itt» performance in the matter of brances are removed but the guarantors, who agricul'ural advances in eastern India, for are really the moneylenders, take the which it has been primarily entrusted, has money and give a pot tinn of it to the agri­ been extremely poor. Probably, hon. Mem­ culturists. Because the band is paid off by the bers are aware that in O idci to intensify moneylenders out of their own resources, agricultural advances the Reserve Bank has the bank does not bother ; they are happy formulated a scheme, callcd the Lead Bank to get back the money. Hut the money is Scheme. So far as the United Commercial not really going to agriculturists who re­ Bank is concerned it has been allotted 13 quire this money. 1 erefore, 1 would re­ lead districts in four States in the eastern quest the Finance Minister to give his region—three in Assam, four in West thought to this matter. It is a matter which Bengal, four in Orissa and t* /o in Bihar. goes to the root of it in the sense that, Vou will be sin prised to know that up till undoubtedly, it is the agricultural sector 30th April, 1971 in West Bengal in the four which requires the greatest attention from districts the total amount of advances to the nationalised banks I have got some of the agricultural sector is only Rs. 13,530 ; the specimens of the forms. There are so to the two distiict? in Bihar only Rs. 11,730; many particulars which have to be given. to the four districts m Orissa Rs. 2,36,000— Landed property has to be offered as secu­ it is comparatively better —and to the three rity ; guarantees have to be provided and districts of Assam Rs. 1,40,0',( by way of all that It is impossible for agriculturists to credit facilities get any benefit Further, all these nationalised banks Apart from that, there is another very have drawn up forms which have to be filled important factor which I wish to being to up by every agriculturist who wants a loan. the notice of the Finance Minister for his Unfortunately, in view of the illiteracy in consideration. These forms require that nn this country, these people are unable to fill undertaking has to be given by the farmers up these forms which require so many parti­ who take loans that they will sell thefr culars to be given. produce through the afent* |o to acmfauttft 275 Nationalised AUGUST 11, 1971 Banks (Din.) 276

[Shri S omnath Chatterjee] by the banks. Who are the persons nomina­ of Tamil Nadu to frame a scheme, called, a ted as agents by the banks ? Because they guarantee scheme. But even this scheme is have to give security to the banks, t hey are not being implemented, and the money is the same old persons who have been con­ being diverted, as previously, to money­ trolling production, purchasing and selling lenders. and the agriculturists are not getting the produce, the mahajans and the money­ any benefit. lenders, that are being appointed as agents by the banks. The agriculturists arc forced This deplorable state of situation so far to sell their produce through them. There­ as agricultural financing is concerned is fore, the old system remains whether they proved amply by statistics. Out of the total get money from nationalised banks or not. loan or advance given by the 14 nationalised If any real relief is to be given to the banks of the extent of Rs. 4000 crores, in agriculturists, 1 submit, the entire procedure March, 1971, only Rs. 198.8 crores were should be changed. given for the purpose of agricultural financ­ ing. ft is less than 5 per cent for the Pur­ Even for the purpose of getting loans pose of agricultural financing that this loan for sinking shallow tubewells, loans for or advance has been given. small industries, loans for starting dairy and poultry farms, loans for purchasing taxis, I would like to give one or two in­ etc., landed property is to be given as stances as to how the ordinary people are security To sink a tubewell, a farmer has to being harassed by these banks because offer landed property of equal value secu­ there is no proper attitude, on pioper rity. The whole has become a mockery. approach, in the matter. One gentleman by The entire procedure, the entire scheme, has the name of Mr. Sen Gupta made an appli­ become a mockery. This is really intended cation to the State Bank of India, Netaji for the benefit of the agriculturists. Hut Subhash Road, Calcutta, in the middle they are not getting any benefit. Therefore, of 1970 for a small loan to purchase a the farmer, the small trader, whoever wants taxi After about ten months he was told money, continues to remain in the grip of that unless he could furnish landed property money-lenders. Further, the agriculturist at Calcutta as a collateral security,his appli­ has to secure two guarantors whom they cation could not been entertained. Kindly can hardly obtain without surrendering imagine what sort of conditions are being themselves to the money-lenders and maha­ imposed. Ordinary people who want to have jans or rich landlords or the rural rich. The some money for the purchase of a taxi to position is such that it requires very serious earn their livelihood are being asked to give consideration. security of landed property in Calcutta to Now, 1 am quoting from the report in enable them to give him a loan. Sir, this is the Statesman which is based on a survey not the solitary instance. 1 will give other that was conducted in the State of Tamil instances. Nadu. II says : The Federation of Small Industrial Units •‘The poor peasant is exploited by made an application to the United Commer­ the local money-lender who stands cial Bank in March 1970 for grant of a loan guarantee for his loan and after playing but that application has not yet been dis- the farmer a part of the money, takes posed of and nothing has been made over the balance for his day-to-day lend* available to them. A number of business­ ing business (at exorbitant rates of in­ men of Agartala on the 31st March 1970 terest). Since the money-lender normally made an application to the Agartala branch takes to care to repay the loan, the of the United Commercial Bank but because banks have little cause for complaint. of reasons which I would like to disclose But the money originally intended tb help here that there are demands from the high- the small farmer and recorded as agri­ ups in the management to grants these loans cultural loans in the bank books is thus and wanted money to persuade them to being diverted into business activities of grant the loan which these small business­ money lenders." men could not meet, because of that their This i* the survey report which was pub­ applications were not entertained and they lished in the Sratesman on 13th March, are kept pending and no (focitfon b*W been 197Q, su>4 whfcfc prpmpted the Ooycrqjueqt; mom* i7 i Nationalised SRAVANA 20, 1893 {SAKA) Banks (Dis.) 27d

Sir, there is a society called Chimanlal going into the withdrawal of Rs. 60 lakhs Sudhar Samiti . . from the State Bank. 1 am not going Into MR. CHAIRMAN : These cases you that because of want of time. can send to the Minister. The point that I wanted to draw the SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEfc : I attention of the hon. Finance Minister to will give one or two instances only. was whether the Government is really going lo consider the nationalisation of the foreign I know a person who made an application banks because there is realty an unfair com* to tbe Allahabad Bank of' the Jhansi branch petition between the nationalised banks and but because of the demand of the agent of these foreign banks. These foreign banks that branch which could not be met, he was are allowed to have their branches in this held not entitled to the loan that he applied country and they are mopping up a large for. amount of deposits and they are having the 1 will give a very recent instance. A fullest benefit of the foreign exchange trans­ cheque was dtawn on the Calcutta Branch actions while our nationalised banks har ly of the United Commercial Bank. When we attract deposits from the foreign nationals are discussing the working of the nationali­ in their branches in other countries. I would sed banks, we are entitled to expect that request the hon. Minister that because it has these banks should really cater to the public got a direct bearing on the actual working needs. That Calcutta cheque of the UCO of the nationalised banks and their future, Bank deposited in Delhi on 5th July, 1971 the question of nationalisation of foreign was encashed in Calcutta on the 29th July, banks should be taken up seriously. 1971 and the account in Delhi was not credited even till the 2nd August. For four weeks the management of the UCO Bank SHRI H. M. PATEL (Dhandhuka): Mr. branch in Delhi does not collect the money Chairman, Sir, because of limitation of time from Calcutta. This is the way the Banks 1 will not speak on many matters relating are functioning. to the nationalised banks in detail as I would have liked to. In any case, the As 1 find the time is not much, 1 would nationalised banks have not been working like to draw the attention of the hon. for sumcient time to justify our going very Finance Minister to one other aspect only, deep at this stage. But one or two matters which is very important, namely, the per are certainly worth mentioning which could captta bank credit which has been made be attended to. available to my State of West Bengal 1 am quoting from official figures—of the Gadgil Oue is the credit squeeze which has Study of National Credit Council which is been imposed by them, which affected in­ alarming. According to that study, the dustries very severely. Why this should be alMndia average of per capita credit is done, I do not know. For this one cannot Rs. 53.20 as in December, 1967. As against blame the nationalised banks ; it is tbe this, in some of the districts of West Bengal policy of the Finance Ministry and of the the per capita credit available has been 10 Reserve Bank. Secondly, as has already paise. Maldah—10 paise, Murshidabad—10 been mentioned here, these banks do not paise, 24 Parganas—50 paise, Birbhum—40 now function as efficiently as they were paise, Bankura 60 paise, Puralia—70 pais>c, functioning before. For this again, the Midnapur—40 paise and the highest amount blame has to be attached to many things is Rs. 21 only for the Burdwan District which 1 would not like to go into in detail where a number of collieiies are located. 1 at this stage. am told that the old position still continues 1 would like to confine myself to one and the per capita bank credit available matter and that is the withnrawal of Rs. 60 to West Bengal is the lowest in the lakhs from the State Bank, because, to my country. mind, that typifies the working of the fhe other point to which 1 v, is.h to draw nationalised banks, to take it at its lowest, if you like. Why is ii that the Stale Bank the attention of the Minister is. • of' India has not issued a statement indicat­ MR. CHAIRMAN : Tne hou. Member’s ing how and why this has happened, what time is up has actually happened, etc. ? After ail, there SHRI SOMNATH aiA TTFR JLL: are depositors and clients to be considered Please give tne one minute more. 1 am not and then anxiety should be allayed regard- 279 Nationalised AUGUST 11, 1971 Banks (.Pis.) 280

[Sh ri H. M. Patel} ing the money deposited with them and the held in suspense account till it was returned money used in their transactions or busi­ to the currency chest. ness. It is quite evident that whatever has With all these things happening, why is happened has not happened for the first it that the State Bank does not think it time. This could only have been one of a necessary to inform the public that this is series of operations of a similar nature. what has happened ? Has it even submit­ Were is not the case then things would not ted a report to the Finance Minister or the liave happened in the way they happened, Reserve Bank, to whomsoever the Bank is uamely, telephoning, giving money without supposed regularly to submit reports on its obtaining receipts and so on. Be really what activities ? intrigues me is this. It is quite clear this money did not come out of the State Bank’s Consider again this. When anybody safe deposit vault. That has been cleared wants some special service from a bank, by the Finance Minister who has, in a letter whom does he go to ? He would go to the to Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu, made it clear that top person. Who is the top person in the the money was drawn from the currency loca'< branch of the State Bank ? In the chest. Currency chest transactions are Banking Department of the local Head perfectly clear. What was withdrawn from Office it would be the Chief Accountant. the currency chest by the State Bank could Here, they did not go to the Chief Accoun­ only have been done by bringing them into tant, but they went to the chief cashier. the State Bank accounts. The money in That does not really matter It may be the curiency chest Is not money ; it is not that the arrangement was that the individual currency in the exact sense. Only when it who had account could contact the chief is taken out it becomes money. The State cashier. So, the chief cashier arranges to Bank takes it out. Obviously, when it go to the currency chest. Obviously, he takes it out, it is for the purpose of putting can open it only if accompanied by the it in the general till for meeting customers chief accountant or one of his assistants. demands ; in this case it was handad over Therefore, it is clearly a transaction of the to somebody, which makes it clear that it State Bank. And the State Bank drew was withdrawn for the purpose of giving it that money out in order to pay someone to that somebody, debiting the same account to whose ciedit the money stood, a con­ to somebody and crediting it to itself. The siderable amount, even for that bank. This question is : Who is this somebody 7 What is something therefore for which the f inance was the status of his account 7 What is the Minister hiimelf ought to be most anvious. account ? What is the account against which If these banks arc going to function in this this money was paid out ? That is still way, where money.s cun be handed over something which has to be known and the without a receipt, it would be most unfortu­ Finance Minister ought to explain, because, nate. It is evident that if moneys can be this is not merely a matter of procedure. drawn as a result of instructions given over a telephone. The somebody giving the in­ It is quite clear that the money was structions must be very important indeed, drawn out from the currency chest because someone whose orders could thus be com­ the ordinary till of the State Bank for plied with unquestioningly over the tele­ meeting the day-to-day demands did not phone. have that much money. When this demand Then, again consider this. How was the came—it came from somebody—and the per­ money handed over ? It was handed over son making the demand had presumably somewhere, not in a special place, it must sufficient credit with tlie bank or the insti­ have been handed over only because the tution had sufficient credit,—if that person person to whom it was handed over produc­ was speaking on behalf of an institution— ed some credentials. What could those in terms of money, amounting to at least credentials have been ? Obviously, some Rs. 60 lakhs and presumably more. There code word or something of that kind. was a credit in the State Bank, therefore, in Clearly this was not the first transaction of respect of this amount in the name of this its kind. It must have been one of a series. somebody. When the money came back, We may hope that this is the last because it is understandable,—since it was withdrawn if transactions are permitted in this manner improperly—the money would naturally be by the nationalised banks, then we would 281 Nationalised SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) Banks (Dis.) 582 hav e to be very sorry indeed for the work* taken. How does it attract the sub judice fag of our nationalised banks. rule ? I hope, therefore, that the Finance Minister will be good enough to explain how SHRI N. N. PANDEY : I raised on a this kind of transaction catne to be permit­ point of order that a matter which is sub ted by the State Bank and what report ii fudice cannot be the subject matter of dis- has submitted to the Reserve Bank and to cussion in this House. But what the hon. the Government, because this is a public Member has said relates to a matter which matter now. In what way docs it justify is before a court. I want your specific its actions, that is to say, (lie occui rencc of ruling. this incident ? What actions has it taken against its own officers ? The Finance MR. CHAIRMAN : 1 agree with the Minister is a masterly under-statement said point of order. that this was clearly a case of breach of procedures But this was much more than SHRI H. M. PATEL : Before you breach of procedures. agree, may 1 make a submission 7

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : MR. CHAIRMAN . Those persons Let me make the posiion clear. 1 never against whom he is speaking arc under pro* said that it was merely a breach of proce­ secution. dures. I remember to have said that the proper procedures were not followed ; I did not merely say that it was a case of breach SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : of procedures. The rules are not under prosecution.

SHRI H. M. PATEL : I stand cor­ MR. CHAIRMAN : This has been the rected. practice in this House that if there is a cose pending in a court, it cannot be referred to SHRI N. N. PANDEY (Gorakhpur) . here. This matter is sub judice because it is in a court of law. He cannot go into it SHRI N. N. PANDEY : I request that, now . that portion of the speecn in which he made this tefcrence be expunged. SHRI H. M. PATEL : 1 do not think that what I am saying can ever affect any­ SHRI DARBARA SINGH (Hosiiiarpur): thing that is to take place in a court of Otherwise, the case will be prejudiced. law. I an confining myself only to the working of the bank and the bank*’ proce­ MR. CHAIRMAN : I will look into it. dures.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : SHRI H. M. PATEL : This is not cor­ The procedures of the bank have to be dis* rect. I have not referred to any individual. cussed. I have only referred to the working of the State Bank, the manner in which it func­ SHRI N. N. PANDEY : On a point of tions, in what way moneys can be drawn order. Points of facts in the case which out from the currency chest, under what cir­ is under active investigation of the court are cumstances a person can go to the currency being mentioned by the hon. Member. I vaults, what happens when he draws out want to know what facts he wants to give. the money. \ think the Finance Minister I submit that this is a sub judice matter. is fully aware of this. This is not in the least concerned with any case pending in SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : a court. It is the procedure of the State Bunk when an amount of this magnitude is The court is not expected to pronounce its withdrawn that is being discussed. verdict on the rules and regulations which have been breached. Here, what we are asking is why all these rules and regulations PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE were breached, and what action has been (Rajapur): There are precedents. Nationalised AUGUST 11, 1911 Banks (Dls.) 284

SHRI R. D. BHANDARE (Bombay am not asking what is the reasoning behind Central) : You have already decided the your ruling. I only want to make a sub­ point of order. How can they challenge mission. If in a particular discussion, no your decision. individuals are involved and general matters of procedure are being debated, can there be SHRI H. M. PATFL : When money is a ruling preventing it ? taken out, it must be debited to some account. It has nothing to do with any SHRI R. D. BHANDARE : Why not ? case pending in a court. 16.35 hrs. MR. CHAIRMAN : 1 have given my decision. [Mr. Speaker in the Chair \

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : SHRI H. M. PATEL : Mr. Speaker, Sir, What decision ? 1 was speaking about the way in which the State Bank functions, and indicated the MR. CHAIRMAN : He should confine procedure in such circumstances, what kind himself to the functioning of the Bank and of procedure one would have expected the nothing else State Bank to have adopted ( Interaction). SHRI H M. PATEL : I am speaking on the way in which the Bank functions. It SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : is u nationalised bank. Is it not a subject Instances will have to be quoted. Incidents which can be considered here ? If this Bank have taken place. does not carry out its transactions in a manner which will generate confidence in AN HON. MEMBER : It is sub judke . the public, is it not something 1 must dis- cuss here ? MR. SPEAKER : Order, please.

MR. CHAIRMAN : 1 have given m> SHRI H. M. PATEL : If a large decision. amount is to be drawn from the bank such as the State Bank which has a currency SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : chest—a currency chest is not held by every We will discuss this ruling to some extent bank but it is because the Slate Bank func­ because it lays down ccrtain .. tions as a treasury, it also has a currency chcst--if a large enough amount is asked of MR. CHAIRMAN : No. 1 will not that bank, it is wanted cither for the State allow my ruling to be discussed. Bank’s own business or for giving it against sombody’s demand. And if there is not SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: enough money in the till, the State Bank How can you prevent me from examining would draw it from the currency chest the functioning of the Bank ? What exactly following the procedure which is well do you object to ? known and well laid down. When that money is drawn, then it is drawn either for MR. CHAIRMAN : 1 am objecting to the State Bank’s own requirements or, if it this portion. There are some persons who is against anybody’s demand, against— are being prosecuted in a case. Since it is before the court, it cannot be referred to. SHRI N. N. PANDEY : Sir, on a point of order. The Chair’s ruling has already SHRI R. D BHANDARE : You have been given, and this particular case which already given a decision You need not is under the active consideration of some give reasons. * court, is being referred to. And then it is being repeated. The working of the natio­ SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA ; nalised banks is alone the subject matter of What is the aspect to which you object ? this discussion.

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : For MR. SPEAKER : 1 am quite aware of futuie guidance, we want a clarification. I the proceedings. Of coursc, when we 285 Nationalised SRAVANA 20. 1893 (SAKA) Ranks (M s.) 286 decidcd to take up this subject for discus­ nue and complete, it is really necessary that sion, all of us made it a point that we will the State Bank should be called upon to not touch upon those matters which may issue a public statement explaining the way somehow or other influence the proceedings in which such operations take placc. The elsewheic. But I am very cautious about State Bank should indicate clearly that it it, and whenever one trespasses, my atten­ does not under any circumstances cater to tion would be invited to it. but we cannot demands on the telephone, that save under be too louchy over small things written inductions it does not hand over moneys and that too only after obtaining SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : pioper receipts in the proper form. These He is not doing that at all. Why should are things which it ought to say If it has the same thing be raised again and again happened in any case at all, it must say that it was an exception and that adequate MR. SPEAKER ■ Order, please He is disciplinary action has been taken in the quite a senioi Membei. matter. Surely such a thing is necessary. 1 think all hon. members will agree that SHRI H M. PATFL : My purpose at this is in public interest. There can be, no the moment-1 *ill be very brief--is that objection to this. Departing from normal this withdrawal of this amount could only procedures under any circumstances what­ have been for giving a certain amount to soever should not be permissible jn someboJy—and in this case we know it was an institution such as the Bank, which so handed ov r. Therefore, it must have lives on credit, which lives on the been debited to the account of that some­ the confidence it inspires. Once that is body, and all one ought to know is. what broken, it can create* very great harm that account i*. From the point of view indeed. It is for that reason that I have of the State Bank, I would be anxious to emphasised only t he procedural aspect and see that proper procedures are followed. said that it has been gravely departed from There should have been even a public state­ in a manner which is not explicable. It ment to say what exactly happened and why becomes a matter of much more interest it need not cause any anxiety in the mind and importance if a series of cases is of the general public, because the withdrawal involved, but we hope this is only an of large sums of money and handing them isolated case. over without compliance with proper proce­ dures—which has happened in this case- (5PTW ) : STESTCT 5ft, must naturally cause anxiety— srtft T m wr | MR. SPEAKER : May I request him to O T tr SW proceed in a general way and not to specify wrr t I W 3TcT ^ OTff it like that-. .(Interruption). sfT farT srfa SFT^T *PT «TR STTi*®£ SHRI H. M. PATEL : I am endeavour­ =arrpr % W vr ing to keep it as general as possible. fsrr graft artsrrerrc «ft, f a * stm t # MR. SPEAKER : You were going to OTSRTOcTT | ft, $ refer to a particular ease. TT 1 $ | 1 Wft qftf 3$ $ fc SHRI H. M. PATEL : 1 will put it W' snsesr |stt, srofo just this way. ..(Interruption). ifh: *5 qft SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : U 1 i «iw- We have discussed so many cases and we % gerrfirc: % have not found the discussion restricted in this manner. You should be more zealous g^rrfjpfr ^cRr ft» f^nsr ft fsTTT*nr of the rights of members. We are careful < * r k srcrefta art q-mft 1 1 not to say anything which will prejudice thej administration of justice. TIW Jjf $ far fa* ftyf m SHRI i* M. PATfil*: | f l may conti­ v tf om s p n $Q 287 Nationalised AUGUST 11, 1971 Banks (Dis.) 288

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[«ft iftfter *rt] i f fw> farr *r^r w$tw ^»ft tfh; «f*r whr - ^ t f t r r m f%*m fa st fare $ wrwr^t \ fJWT-OTT w m $ «PT STt* I xr% f^PTTR ^ *r$ t r^fTT W TT W ¥ % f^r^r ^ r^?r W-q sra-sw ^ 'ttstr $t?t t f^TTT 1HTT *TT I f ffHT f f «ft I STpfT- %fafT Soffit ®Ri *rgt fa?r ^rcTT 1 1 *r$ src? % arre % snroqr ^ s t f 5rt»ft g r s n r o r a f tfr ^nRTrr | f^R% fwr*> vt f*wm f^rt «rr i ^ r t T t Pr ^ n h n r ^ t $ * n < t ^ftfar «n?f% 1 5- 1 7 ITT 19 fetT ®PT*T f w t I *FT H9TT5T &, % v f fa**1* **n^ *KT ft tt^ tt fa fim »r?^t ^ r srrgr ^rt% 1 tr* rm 1 fsp «ft t o srf?tr«m t t |, «* srcrrc tj*p smr ^ «ftr $ w*®* «*ttst ft^T*rr W% *r «f*TT »TWfft g i | 3^T ’fT^rr g i ^ i ?r^ ^ ^ w ^ r ^ t fa? ?r ?rt^ft ?f wt m m i t t i w |, f^Rtf 'TfT’rr^ ^ ^ r f •SURl THA K1RUTTINAN (Shiva- ^ $ q fv m j f ^rertft # ft i *r ^ ganja) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am very happy jt? *% *?tt f fa ^ * t that the woi king of 14 nation aliscd banks is being discussed in ilns august h'ousc and i f f 1 ^ ^ v \ ^ * #fa?r ou fot fixing me an 5TT?r *r$r smft «ft t «w 3 fa *rw*r aftr opportunity to participate m the debate and to say a few words. qft% % wWf v t vft ^rr qrferr t The hon. Members, who picceded me, *f jj# 'tt <&ff *rf 11 iw r ^rw have pointed out the drawbacks and the v% & ft? v tf *i*fa faft*rer *r$t | fa deficiencies in the ucrkinp of theye 14 nationalised banks during the period of two *r> Jpr»rr rr*J years after nationalisation. I would request %«r*r ijtoh ^ fcqr i ssfa* the hon. Firancc Minister not to threat them a& mere criticisms but to rive life to ?m imr? t fa m v% f^nnr w*rr # f a them by formulating effective measures for «nr ffrtyr ’srr^r ^r% *t ^ the purpose of improving the working of these 14 nationalised banks. spt vpranr *pc f^rrnr srr^ i s m *$ *r?ff While inaugurating a branch ot a pii- fa*rr * m r ?ft w * t ??rnr ^ *r vate bank, Shii Mad ha van, the hon. Minister $*r jpjtct *>t%, *rf*Fr fafirqrcr ft of Industries of Tamil Nadu, made a peati* nent reference to the way in which these ari?r nationalised banks have been functioning %vrc $ sft^rr ^ «nrjtt srft: ?fWf € t and how they have not come up to the expectations of people. He regretfully fir ?r#r t^rr ^ rr i referred to the fact that these banks have fcr tir «r> ft m - not came to the rescue of small farmers and small scale industrialists of Tamil ^ftm «rr sr?m 3^t »mr «rr ffr snr«r Nadu as was anticipated at the time of ^ viNrrfiift ^ft ftnrr » t «m nationalisation. The purpose of nationalise ing these banks has been completely defeat* % wfMt «r? f*rer * r^ % f% ed and the hopes and aspirations of t small frnr % «rft* *r?rw?r sttt sfafa farmers and small industrialists have not so far been realised. I would like to *f ?A«r f^r% m$, fara% fNrfer ^ft apprise the hon. Finance Minister of the

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appalling failure of the nationalised backs for the social and economic progress of in fulfilling the expectations of the people. poor people, middleclass people, agricultural Many hon Members have no doubt families and small scale industrialists, made many worthwhile suggestions for striving hard to stay alive. This progres­ sive step resulted in a revolutionary split ift bringing about the much-needed improve­ ment in the working of these banks. But, the Congress Party and even led to the premature dissolution of Lok Sabha. It is we would be well-advised to go into the highly regretttable that after all this fanfare basic cause for this malady. The Managing the nationalisation of 14 major banks has Directors, under whose unbridled sway the not yielded the desired results. It should banks functioned before nationalisntion. not be beyond the competence and talent are continuing to be in charge of the of our energetic Finance Minister to ensure nationalised banks in the colourful name of effective functioning of the nationalised custodians. The nationalisation has brought banks in a charge in the ownership and in the name of Managing Directors. But the pre­ nationalisation banking policy continues to 17.00 hrs. be the main plank of the working of Banks and its execution also is under the charge I would humbly suggest that a Board of the very same top people who are now should be constituted to prevent the per­ known as Custodians. I do not question emptory exercise of power by the top their administrative talent and capacity, but management. In fact there should be I do question that they are being allowed regional boards to guide and supervise the to operate the same old policy detrimental activities of the nationalised banks in diffe­ to the interests of common people. Under rent regions of the country. I am pained such circumstances, how do you expect the to see that corruption and malpractices are nationalised banks to function for the pro­ widely rampant from top to bottom ii» these gress and welfare of the weaker sections of banks in distributing credit facilities. Bribes the «ociety ? are oifered and taken in broad daylight if It should be obvious to everyone that a loan is got to be sanctioned. Tbw the root cause for the inefficient working favourities and the family members of the of these banks and their failure to serve top management have the field day in avail- the social objectives for which they were ing themselves of the credit facilities. As nationalised lies nowhere else except in the an instance, in Tamil Nadu, the manage­ top ech cions who continue to be entrenched ment of Indian Bank unreservedly advanced in perpetuating the old banking policy lakhs of rupees to a family member for You are, aware, Sir that crores of rupees the purpose of constructing a hotel It have been entrusted to be admin.stered by did not end there. It w*s ordered these people. If a man finds himself to be that the Bank Officers selected for free for managing millions of rupees, re-orientation training at Madras should naturally he gets inebriated with autocratic stay only at this hotel and thus the pro­ inclinations. Fie feels, rightly so, that what prietor of the hotel was enabled to pay he decides in the matter of administering back the advance to the bank from the snch huge funds is beyond reproof and he earnings he had from the Bank Officers. If is least bothered whether the objectives of the Government want to put an end to nationalisation have been served or not by such malpractices, the State Governments his actions. also should be associated with the Boards that 1 have suggested earlier. I would also Whether it is the Congress Party or urge that the labour representation should other parties like tne Dravida Munnetra be taken on the Boards. Kazhagam wedded to social welfare policies, all the progressive political parties adovocat- IJIow, I would briefly refer to the recruit­ ed nationalisation of banks because they ment policy of these nationalised banks. sincerely believed that the vast bulk of More than 20000 persons have been recruit- deposits in such banks should not go to ed by these banks I do not know whether serve only 75 monopoly houses and the there is any sound recruitment policy for handful of millionaire families. These tliese banks. 1 would like the hon. Minis­ banka were nationalised with the noble ter to clarify this point. In the matter of objective of utilieiog the crores of rupees recruitment to Central Government services, 195 Nationalised AUGUST 11, 1971 Banka (DU.) 296

[Sh ri Tha Kiruttinan] there is reservation for candidates belonging % fa ff if fa - $t*ft wTf^r «ft i to scheduled castes and other backward classes. I wonder whether these banks 11 have any such rules in the matter of recruit­ Whether that policy has been honestly ment. I would appeal to the hon. Finance implemented to the lowest levels ? Minister that he should initiate immediate steps in the matter of 1 taming recruitment 5* st srra * t tar% f fft q^rr rules for these banks, to ensure adequate ^ pHT ^ fa WRT 3Pf5T ^Tjft reservation for scheduled castes and other backward classes 5*tt ft1 ?r **nrr s p t r sft ^ t It is common knowledge that huge sums fojrr »TCT fa *1%, fa*5TT zrm, of money running into many thousands

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•fir vrtt f*T2T% % M % fa 3p r mfiST. STtfiff s£ 5ft ^ f e ? STTTT fir? §r *FT SrTcTT s t r * Tgrr i fasrrc ^vri % m #ir-*Tter tnrr to «Fc?rr sru s ft ^ «ft*r j?t®t ?r^cTT lr?ft f, jrf? TOT ftWT ^TTtriiT ?ft *T|[ % s w r snassr ^Tctt 1 1 $tk ssftn ffcT 5r $ m , 3*ft»r *ft fa«pm fft*rr, tar *pt ®n% tot W r, faarre vV t o t w 5>n ?r> topV tot fwr ^tttt i fa%, ffr t % fatr n(f| fftx ^ 297 Nationality! SRAVANA 20. 1893 (SAKA) (Pis.) 298

S f M sftT ig h , 1% WT *F^TT, srrt % q?r i *r«r?r *Ft ^r «FT «TT ^ qT ^ ww jpt §r srsr vr *Rrefor gsn $ i q^ ^ g r^ r v ^t fv 0 grm ^ft *r? f3R% qra ^mtfq^Pf ^ ^ STTCTT I I fzfrT *pft ^ ?T«T^ 3RT? ^ *pfr qftwr *r qm ?nft fir ^ sftft tft 80 wrer vt ?r^t, 42 wr^r apT 11 q^r q^ft«rf^nrT ^ qnNrfaft % sfsf- eft 5TT*rt ^ ^TTcT fteft ^... W efor «rer*rT m r % t f s ^ t SRrtar ftm w it («ft tw ^® ^r) . ^T%^, ^ f r t tft ?T?V f^TT I I 5T1 'TfsF5T ’TSRSTT^^TfT % q f^ q?T | J Jpnr ^TT% | , fjT'T % *T^ft»T ?Tf it fa ff ?(ft ^TTcTT f^TT qzTT I »TcT?T3r gft ^ft w «rr>% x x v tt ?r shft am W &fa flV 3TTT f>ft «ft, 5T? ?T^ | f I 2r fffqr I fonj ^ f t t f*F tff ?nrt *t %?r *r wi i ^fPRsrmr %r fmr g*rcr fw r | 3tt 11 qgw sptt ^ «rr i *rn?t ?tt# f ? i ^ «rrq »ite % r «n fft s titt srrqw\ wt^ctt i tr* t o wt ^¥t m <3?i t , «rr ^srarr«rr i ^fo?r w ^ ^ ^ ^*TT ^fTT f I ^??^t% ZTf ^fT ^ fa*rT sfa: amr *t *t?% v t ^ r *$* *x Whj do you want to take the bull by ferr I ^ ^ 3TRT T^t & *Tf im% *t its tail and not by its homs 7 srrat 11 *rot «rt ^ fa*t * ^ FPPT ^TeT^ WT | f 5^ q?TT | trsp «ricr sp^t 11 Uf ^|T | f«F to wi fer % n?nrT5PT w ift ^ f t ^pft Sfira 11 ^ ^ ^ sthctt f i * ?trz H ?t ^ F T ^ % *T*R «ft ^T% 5»T ?TT *fift | I FT *TT fft ^t |t 5T^ *r ^TT f^ T T ?T ?T fft ?rrfkT ?rft irwr f it ^ ^ ®pt 3^ t Is it not a form of a totalitarian regtmo «rT^rr 11 srtft ^ t *t% |m t where we cannot dtbcuss this 0 «TT»TT«T ^Jgfi»»Tt ^ ®firER arnnsnT *r gq^Tfa* ?qt^r *T vjxmr ^ «T^ tr wrr f^«rro ^ q^r w * | t 'srraT 11 ^ r *ft q?rr ^rfr m m ^?WT3r^%rr W lwt t I «TT*TT^T?rr *r |t ^ 5 TT t fa 3«TTFft 299 Arationalised AUGUST 11, 1971 Amks (Dis.) 300

[«ft TR sfttft] & | 3ft «TT tit* ^ft % ftnc N W frflT, ?ft «Wt $f*m *ft «P5Tqv?T*T v m 1 1 u ra r w r w t t ? f r f t a t % ?ft*r f ^ t f t ^ r m •Terr ftr ^ n r ft wm fe T 1 s m v tf sirfsRf ftwft % *a % f*rr 5RT f*rr ?ft *tt^ t snft i ^5t ^ ^ ^ rr | , fft ^Wt «rnrft 3T?rr t m FT ft tit IW ^r^TT * $ t t , 5rfN7 srs tit z m t ^ ^ t t I *PT n*TP7 WZ 5F5 fattTT m%, tit 1 1 qrfe w m k ft ?trd srpr^n't vjfsrcr ft i Jt may have ^ppcned in % s ra ft «rr srrcft, ?ft ^ w t f f t w s ^t the old days when Parliament was not 'STT'Tr % TOTTI BTTT W SPTft f?T«T ft constdercJ to be supreme than the Supreme Court. But now we have established that %ft % 5T3T % q-ft ?FT ^q^>T % Parliament is supreme rhan the Supreme TOt % f?TTT, St£ 9lfWt W>T f^Tfft % Court. 1 3W ?PT | sftT ^mTcTT n^T ^TT f«P ftft t, q;^ ?rr^ft ^?tJrfr?T ft *r*sr I, *ft $ft aSrfes t, ^?r^ft ffe t- *tt»t ^T% ft > been produced at all. 1 would like the to be taken note or. Finance Minister to give us the facts The growth is no doubt quantitative, as to how much has beon done in this but there is no qualitative change. The sphere. question can be posed : Is there any effec­ Now, I would say a word about diffe­ tive functioning of the nationalised banks ? rential rates of inierest. Und r the chair* Here, I would like to make a reference to manship of a very eminent economist Dr. one point which has been ver> sharply Hazare, a committee had been set up as ear ly brought out by a group of professors from as September, 1970 to recommcnd a scale of the Allahabad University. They studied very differential interest rates for helping tbe carefully the working of the public corpora­ small borrowers and the weaker sections. tions in the country and at the close of the The report has already been submitted. But book they have drawn their inference and we would like to know from the Finance they say that as regards many of the persons Minister what concrete steps are being taken who are managing the public sector, there is to see th it there is speedy implementation a paradox that they function which the of the fine report that has been prepared by mentality of the private sector. This para* Dr. Hazare. dox continues, and as a result we find that a Now, I shall say a word about corrup­ number of officers are put in the change of tion. There is so much of corruption in various banks, but their mentality is still not these nationalised banks. Only the agency in tune with the public sector. has changed. I can quote a number of Let tne refer to workers’ participation instances from my own constituency where a also. A procedural wrangling is going on number of peasants have had to give con­ still. The nationalisation of banks has taken siderable amount of bribes in order to get place, and there are various schemes which loans. I have those instances with me, and have been pat forward by the trade unions, I do not want to spell them out in detail tait still Oov^mment have not been Tabic to h«re. I am prepared to band tb* natpe over 303 Nationalised AUGUST I!, 1971 Banks (Ots) 3M

[Prof. Madhu Dandavate] to the Finance Minister. I have found, for areas ; second, mobilisation of deposits and instance, that if a loan of Rs. 5000 is to be thirdly to satisfy the legitimate aspirations extracted from the nationalised bank, then of sections of society which had not received there are peasants who have been required their due share in the benefit of economic to give bribe to the tune of Rs. 1000 to Rs. growth. 1500. That is what is happening. Before nationalisation, there was one In cocnlusion, I would only say this. 1 banking office for 65,000 people; now the do not want to refer to individual cases. If figure has come down to 47,000. But in U.P. there are cases like the 'Nagarwala case’ or even now it is one bank office for 82,000 any other case of that type, then we must people. This shows that backward areas have consider them seriously. 1 do not want to again been neglected. I would request the enter into something which is already before Finance Minister to see that the growth in the court. But I would say that the ques­ banking facilities all over the country is tion is not only how the individuals in the uniform In Bihar it was one bank to nationalised bank have behaved ; the most 1,20,000 people. This ratio must be made important point, as my hon friend Shri uniform throughout the country. H. M Patel has raised, is that there is a The amount of deposits in all nationali­ crisis of confidence. I would like to ask the sed banks has increased from Rs. 3,900 Finance Minister plain and simple question. crores in 1969 to Rs. 5,100 ciores in Dec., If such a situation were to take place in 1970. But how is it distributed ? The share Britian, 1 have not the least doubt that of i he priority sectors is only Rs. 885 crores consistent with the democratic traditions of or 17.7%. Agriculture has received Rs. 201 Britian, the Finance Minister would have uores, small scale Industrie:, Rs. 420 crores, offered his resignation and said *1 now leave load transport opeiators Rs. 37.09 crores, it to my colleague whether the resignation retail traders and small businessmen Rs. 74.47 should be accepted or not’. But, unfortuna­ crores, self-employed persons Rs. 8 57 crores tely, such a thing has not taken place and needy students only Rs. 3.47 crores. in this country. Thus since nationalisation, the sh re of I would request the Finance Minister to advances made to the priority scctor has see, that if the image of the public scctor increased from 10 % to about 18 %. This is to be sharpened still more, the norms ot is shameful. This is not a proper distribu­ credit worthiness be revised and more facili­ tion. I hope the Finance Minister will see ties be made available to the rural folk that more resources are diverted to the through the implementation of mobile bank priority sectors. services, and implementation of the principle workers’ participation in the management SHRI JAGANATH RAO (Chatrapur) : of banks ensured. With all these measures, Two year have passed since the 14 banks the results will be much better. It is not were nationalised. Have these banks since that the nationalised banks have failed then published their annual report and to produce results ; they have been able to accounts and if so, would these be laid on produce results which are quite comparable the Table so that Parliament can have an to the results that Banks produced when idea of their progress and discuss it 7 they were in the hands of a few. But as a socialist I expect that the image of the Earlier there was question about the public sector should be sharpened still amounts given as loans to small farmers, further so that we should be able to get small entrepreneurs and self-employed per­ better benefits for the people not only in sons. What is the number of such persons, terms of economic benefit but in terms of what are the rates of interest charged and social justice. what are the difficulties experienced by banks in recovery. This will give us a correct PROF. S L. SAKSENA (Mahanygaiy) : picture. My information is that in some 1 do not want to discuss the Nagarwala case cases they are not able to realise the loans as it has already been discussed by previous given to small people. Therefore, the speakers. I only want to say one thing. Finance Minister may give us a break up, if There were three objects of nationalisation not now, but at a future date, so that we of Banks. First, repid development of know how the bank ate functioning to this bWfcty facilities in unhanked and rural sphw , 305 Nationalised SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) Banks (Dis.) 306

The re are some employees in the State place. Certainly, there were some practical Bank who joined service before it was difficulties in the wav. nationalised in l‘)53. They had opted for the old regulations of service ; they had PROF. S. I . SAKSENA : Only 1R per made provident fund contributions. But cent has been advanced to them. the SBI is not making a matching contribu tion. I am told that they arc not even SHRI YFSHWANTRAO CHAVAN : paid interest on theii deposits. The real problem and the real difficulty is that the demand for ciedit from this neglected sccfor, which lias been neglected THK MIN1ST12R OF TINANCl (SHR! for centuties togethci, is so tst that imme­ YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : I thought diately we have not b:en able to meet it in the discussion was going to be in a rathei a satisfactory manner. That is the problem. constructive wa' because the first three or Of course Ihere are the problems of attitude four speaker, made quite constructive sug­ in this matter which are ^mning in the way. gestions. Shri Mishra made certain com­ There is at least a feeling ; there are alle­ ments and gave certain suggestions which gations of corruption also, a-, hon Members certainly are v.orth considering, but it said. I cannot sav that theie aie no cases appeared a little later that the main thrust of corruption, because, that is icallv speak­ of his speech was somewhere else, not on the ing a general problem in Indian life. It is constructive part. not merely confined to nationalised banks, but the programme and working of these SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : nationalised banks has been completely ex­ It was ‘"main” because he felt it. posed to public criticism, which is a good thing. Some of these things are openlv MR. SPL-AKFR : He always is very talked out, discussed and criticised. Much constructive exccpt sometimes when he gets is being said about it, but it is not as if angry ( Interruption). corruption started only with nationalisation. One cannot say like that. Naturallv, it can be rightly expected that after nationalisation SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : there should be some check on that. He himself said and H was right that the deposit mobilisation has shown ai. i net case. Many Membets have also conceded that PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : there is a dtvcisification or crcdit because so Nationalisation of corrup’i'in far neglected scclots have been taken into SHRI YKSHWAN TRAO CHAVAN: account and we arc uymg to reach them. There is expansion of branches also so that I would ceriain'v nike a request to Mr. Danda\ate— he has given some specific we are trying to cover unbanked or under­ cases—it is much more desirable that wc banked areas and that piocess of expansion try to follow such individual cA^es to see is being continued. Ol course, another that ultimately there is a feeling of deter­ point has been made by many hon Mem­ rence in this mattct. I have myself taken bers, namely, whether wc have done us well up this question with the custodians of we could have done. Particularly the point banks. At the veiy first meeting, when I was whether we have tried to do enough for met them, I told them that it is not good the so-called priority sectors—the small for the new programme of nationalised banks agriculturists, the small traders, the small that there should he i feci'ng -if corruption businessmen, the self-employment seeker, being prevalent, and we nave decided to take young men. the intelligent young men who preventive measures and certainly started have nothing else to give as security. These vigilance centres in several banks. ate the priority sectors for which nationali­ sation of banks contemplated, I would like As far as reaching the neglected sectors to say that it continues to be the objective is concerned, I have given m many replies and the policy of the nationalised banks. to the questions oertain statistics about it. There is no doubt about it. I would cer­ If I had enough time, I could give the de­ tainly like to assure the hon. House that tails. I have got a wealth of information the criterion of cridit-worthi.iess is being with me which I can give again to the bon. changed, and as Mr. Dandawate has said, Members, about the increase in the number soro* policy changes w pf pfflces of eom aw w l twtip 307 Nationalised AUGUST 11, 1971 Banks (Dis.) ' 306

[Shri Y eshwantrao Chavan] nationalisation. I can give the figures. In which the loans are required and whether the State Bank, the increase is 993 offices, they are made use for the purposes for and in the case of the 14 nationalised banks, which they are taken, to see ultimately that it is nearly 2,113. I cun give according to they are not manipulated for purposes for the States also ; 1 have got the information. which they are not meant, that at least they For example, Shri Bhogendra Jha mention­ are not utilised for speculative purposes. ed Bihat. In Bihar, the numbct of offices, Hut one cannot say that we should com­ as on 30th June, 196'), was 273. pletely starve the the bigger accounts, be­ At the end of July, 1971, the number of cause ultimately wc will have to see that offices increased by 127. He wanted to kiow the genuine economic productive activity the percentage to the population. There must go on. For example, the textile in­ also there is improvement I know that it dustry will have to be given proper credit is not satisfactory, but you cannot say that facilities because it ccrtainly provides em­ there is no imprmement. In Bihar the ployment. The only question is whether population coverage has come aown from additional amount that becomes available 2.07 lakl's in June, 1969 to 1 2 lakhs in hy way of deposit mobilisation is made May, 1971 and will be around 1 lakh at available to the smaller sector, to the the end of December, 1971. priority sector, in an increasing manner and I can assure the hon House that this is PROF. S. I . SAKSENA • What is the exactly whal we propose to do It will take average per branch in the connlry. some more time.

The most important point that vmis SHRI Yl’SHWANTRAO CHAVAN : made by Shri Shvamnandan Mishra was This is much less than the rest of the coun­ whether the nationalised Hanks aie having try, but 1 am idling vou that an effort is ccrtain plans or ptogiammes linked with the being made planning of country. I entirely agiec that the nationalised Ranks will have to play a SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : We do not very important part in the economic plan­ dispute that there is an all round improve­ ning of the country, and it is from this ment, but it is negligible. point of view that wc have started this I ead Bank Scheme. 1 he idea is that the SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : Lead Bank should have a co-ordinating role My only plea to the hon. members is that in having a development programme in the we are making a very sincere effort in this district and take a lead in this matter of co­ matter. ordinating the activities of other Banks The As far as the performance of the Banks coutry is divided into different areas and in the priority sector is conccrned, you can different Banks are given responsibility for employ two tests. One is whether we are the areas. An hon. member from West trying to reach the areas where so far they Bengal said that a ccrtain Bank did not had not ventured, or secondly whether the fulfil its functions in its district. Bank has bccome at least approachable to While some banks have, some banks the smaller man. I can say that more than have not. Some banks have done better in 60 per cent of the additional deposits is some areas and some banks have not One made use for the ncglected sector. fact however stands out, and that it is really The other thing also will have to be a challenging problem. There is a large seen, whether the bigger accounts are still disparity in the functioning of the banks, being allowed to be benefited in the old as far as the different regions are concern­ manner, I would like to assure the hon. ed. There is considerable regional im­ House that we have taken enough care in balance in the functioning of the banks. 1 this matter to see that the bigger accounts must concede that eastern India particularly of Rs. 25 lakhs and above are very care- is much more neglected in banking activity. fully scrutinised by the Banks, by the Re­ It must be conceded. In order to find out serve Bank itself. As I have many times facts 1 myself went to Eastern Uttar Pradesh explained in the House, they have laid and my fears were confirmed. 1 made cer- down a pro-forma on the basis of which tain statements about it there also. In doing to y vory wefuUy wmtWw t o purpose for K> my tffft Qpt to condemn anybody 309 Nationalised SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) Banks (DIs.) Sid bul to have self-criticism. 1 do conccdc diploma he should be advanced some that wc have not risen to the expectation money, it will not be possible to do so, of the people in this matter, because I was bccausc it will be tempting them in a wrong myself not satisfied with the progress. way. The point wbich the hon. Member SHRI D. N. TIWARY (Gopalganj) : made about specialisation is very very im­ You could have gone a step further and portant. Today we have not got that. visited North Bihar. You would have found Now the people who are sent to the rural the position much worse there. areas and who are expected to grant loans to the agriculturists they are the people SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : who have been functioning in the urban Let us not try to have competition. I can areas and dealing with only commerce and understand your feeling about it. J am my­ trade. They do not know how to assess self statim? it. I am after the banks which agriculture as a proposition. So, it is a are the lead banks in the eastern sector. I question of training of personnel also ; it want them to be a little more active in this is a question of re-orientation of the person matter and I would like to assure the hon. who goes there. House that I still propose to go into some of the areas and discuss this matter. So, after nationalisation we have to undertake a task which is qualitatively different. Quantitatively also it is terribly SHRI N. N. PANDEY : Visit Gorakh­ different and it is a vast operation. There* pur also. fore, 1 would plead with hon. Members for patience and understanding. But 1 would SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : not plead with them for protecting me for Gorakhpur is also part of UP. So, let us faults. 1 will never ask them to do that, but not discuss every district I would certainly plead with them for Here I must say one thing. Wc must patience because the leadership of nationali­ show paticncc. 1 do not think wc can work sed banks is certainly making progress. out miracles and get things done overnight. Here I must say a few words of appre­ The first task is to see that the areas are ciation to the leadership of the nationalised properly covered. Then good surveys and banks for their present attitude because they development plans for every district will had to function in a different atmosphere have to be prepared. Then we have to before. Now they are showing a sense of campaign continuously for mobilisation of dedication for the objectives of the nationali­ resources If we merely say that let the sed banks and I think they are ready to go lead banks go on distributing money, it can­ ahead. But they also need instruments. not be done Ultimately only the custodian by himself or a couple of people round about him w rm *?* fast : S3TST5T I cannot deliver the goods. This is the basic approach. As far as the point of the hon. Member is concerned that there is no participation of the employees in the banks, t | I this Parliament in its wisdom has decided,..• (Interruption) I am really keen to have Naturally, it will have to be a banking regularly custituted new boards, but my operation and banking operation depends difficulty or stumbling block is the represen­ upon certain financial proprieties. If not security, at least certain credit-worthiness tation of the employees. will have to be there. I quite agree with AN HON. MEMBER : Parliament has Shri Jagannath Rao Joshi when he says that accepted certain procedures in this regard. when an intelligent person says that he has got an economically viable operation for which be wants money, naturally it should SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : be |iven. But it is the responsibility of the Now, the wranglings in the trade union person concerned to prove that he has got movement, that is also a fact of life. What W economically viable proposition to work. can we do about it ? That wrangling is If ft person merely comes and says that he there. I am not blaming anybody. This bi»6 got a diploma and on the basis of the also has to be faced. This particular phase 311 Nationalised AUGUST 11, 1971 Banks (Dis.) 312

TSh ri Yeshwantrao Chavan] of trade union movement in this country is the new type of boards, and unless we see also a fact of national life, a fact one has the functioning of the banks for some more to find solution to, and 1 am trying to find a period 1 think it will be difficult to say : let solution early. 1 will be the first man to it be handed over to the Public Undertakings feel happy when we will have the new Committee. boards. That will be again another test of One hon. Member asked about the onr policy in regard to the nationalised differential rate of interest and what Govern­ banks. Then the new Board of Directors ment is doing about it. The report is there. will guide the implementation of the nation* As you know, there are two different views alised banks’ policy towards the new social there and I wanted that there should be a objectives. When the rcpresentati\ es of the debate here because I would like to have working classes, of the artisans of agri­ some guidance from the Parliament also. culturists. of employees and of depositors There are two views. But there is one will sit there I am sure there will be a common point. Even the majority report new approach to the problem. If it is there, has accepted the principle that there should certainly things can be much more improved. he differential rate for certain sectors. Now The hon. Member, Shri Mishra, has the point is what that differential should be. made good suggestions. I can only tell him That, really speaking, is the main question. I have taken note of Ihcm. They have suggested something like 8.5 per cent. The minute of dissent has taken SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : another extreme line. 1 am not criticizing What about having a Parliamentary Com­ either the minute of dissent or the majority mittee ? report but certainly wc will have to go into this matter. Government proposes to discuss S11R1 YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN: this matter further among ourselves and Let me say at the beginning, my idea is not also, if necessary, with the Planning Com­ to have a Parliamentary Committee lor the mission and take a final view about this control of banks. Parliament is there and matter. This report is under critical and the accountability of the nationalised banks active consideration of the Government of is not questioned. We can discus* the India. matter in the Parliament. In the Con­ As far as the principle of differential sultative Committee you can put any number treatment is concerned, it is accepted. In of questions. We can have many discussions nationalisation itself wc have accepted that here, but I do not propose to have one it is necessary to have differential treatment. more committee so that instead of being When we say that there are certain priority helpful to the functioning of the banks it sectors, that itself means that there is might possibly be.- ( Interruption) I leave the differential treatment. word to you. SHRI JAGANNATHRAO JOSHI : SHRI D. N. TIWARY : This can be Preferential treatment. put under the Public Undertakings Com­ mittee. SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : Preferential treatment means differential There are so many Undertakings under the treatment. Public Undertakings Committee that if banks are also there, the Committee may only get Hon. Members said that there can be a chance once in 10 years to discuss specialisation in trade etc. At the present this subject. You had been the Chairman moment I can say that by accepting the lead of the Public Undertakings Committee! 1 bank scheme, we have certainly accepted in am not taking any final view in the matter, principle the idea of a specialised area office. but certainly this question can be considered At least the area approach is emphasized so a little later. At the present moment I am that some responsibility is fixed. Those not for it. because for me it appears to be banks which are in charge of the undevelop­ still premature to consider this matter, ed areas can certainly be held lesponsible at because we have yet to see the working of least to prepare programmes. 313 Arationalised SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) Banks (Pis.) 314

This is about the general question. About fashion. Government has the responsibility other questions that hon. Members have to conduct the case properly and Govern­ rafted, you > ourself ha\e given a ruling... ment is not doing that. We are not saying (Interruption). anything about the court but we have to say something about the Government. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : We have asked ccrtain questions about which SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : you cannot escape responsibility. We have placed it before the magistrate. How the magistrate conducts it is a judicial SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : matter. 1 am not escaping because I cannot escape. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : Why not You are not processing the ease properly. advance credit for Rajasthan, Ganclak, K.osi etc. ? SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : 1 do not agree. SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : Sometimes wc do not know what the bank­ SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : ing function is like. Do you want the What about the rules ahd reputations ? banks to undertake the responsibility of the States’ budgets ? SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : As far as the procedure about the withdrawal SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : No, not of money is concerncd, I think. I have given the responsibility. the information even before and I would like to give further information about the SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : procedure as to how the money is with* They certainty contribute to the loans ; they drawn. give loans to their State Finance Corpora­ tions, the electricity boards, the housing SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : corporations ctc. But you cannot expect And the account against which it was the nationalised banks to go and undertake withdrawn. Please begin with that, a ccrtain project. SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : As the I am not going to speak about that parti­ World Bank docs, they can give loans for cular case. these big projects. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : Against which account were these Rs. 60 That type of thing the nationalised banks lakhs withdrawn. cannot do. Possibly, you have misunder­ stood the functioning of the commercial SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : Please, for God’s sake, hear what the banks. procedure is. This is all that I can say. SHRI PILOO MODY : About Nagar- 1 am not going to deal with any individual case, because the hon. Speaker h«.s given a walla ? ruling about it. SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : SHRI PILOO MODY : You had a I am not going to go into the case of Nagar- tacit understanding with the Speaker. walla at all because these cases are before the courts and 1 do not want to give an SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : opinion about it. As far as the suspicion I think; that is very unfair. in the public mind is concerned, what more answer can there be than this that the whole The cash is kept in the State Bank of matter is before the court. The courts can India on behalf of the Reserve Bank. The decide. State Bank functions on behalf of the Reserve Bank. The money is Reserve SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA ; Bank’s money and it does not become You arc proceeding with it in a very cavalier currency till it comes out. 315 Nationalised . AUGUST 11, 1971 Banks (Dis.) 316

[Sh ri Yeshwamrao Chavan] What is the procedure about it ? The SHRI YPSHWANTRAO CHAVAN : cash and currency chest balances arc There can be many withdrawals. always kept in the strong room in the joint Then, this is what happens at the close custody of the Chief Cashier and an autho­ of business. At the close of business, the rised supervising official called the Officer- Chief Cashier accounts for the cash with­ in Charge of Cash. This is in the joint drawn from the currency chest during the custody. day ; the balance in the hands of the paying cashiers along with the cash received SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : by the receiving cashiers is deposited in the How is that done ? Both the officials are of currency chest jointly by the Officer-in- the State Bank. Charge (Cash) and the Chief Cashier. The net position arising out of the day's with­ SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : drawals and deposits in the currency chest is Both of them are of the State Bank. This credited or debited as the case may be to is in the joint custody. the Reserve Bank of India. The Chief Cashier is assisted by the This is the procedure. I think, I have Deputy Chief Cashiers and the Deputy given you all the details as far a< the proce­ Head Cashier. Every morning, when the dure is concerned. ( Interruption). You Bank opens for business, both the custodians wanted to know the procedure. I gave you of cash (the Chief Cashier or his Deputy the procedure. and the Qfficer-in Charge of Cash) enter the strong room together. You under­ SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : stand it. We require some elucidation to understand it. Would you kindly help us to understand SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : a little further ? I understand it. Who holds the key of the strong room ? ( Interruption) SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : I am prepared to help you as much as I can SHRI YESH /VANTRAO CHAVAN : without going against the ruling of the Then, the Chief Cashier or his Deputy Chair. I am subject to his ruling, f cannot takes out the normal requirements of cash help it. in various denominations in the presence of the Officer-in-Chargc of cash. The entries SHRI H. M PATH. :Ilic point is this.. relating to the withdrawal are made in the If further cash is required, you withdraw it. Vauk Register which is kept inside the By whom is it withdrawn ? Now, you need strong room and both the Custodians money. It is the State Bank which wants authenticate the entries. They make the money in order to disburse it, either through entries and they authenticate them. The a large number of cashiers or otherwise. cash is then put in boxes which are duly There must be some explanation whom locked and handed over to the Deputy some person leaves the hank premises with Head Cashier against his receipt. The money to be delivered, how it is going to be Deputy Head Cashier then disburses the debited, to whose account.. (Interruption). cash to various paying cashiers according to the requirements, against receipt in a special book throughout the day. The SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN: paying cashiers after verifying the cash, take You are, really speaking, keeping in mind it to their counters and make payments as an offence which is against our rules. and when cheques/vouchers duly passed by This is the procedure. Supposing a certain the authorised officials are received. II thing happens against our rules, a certain during the day further cash is needed for offence is committed, now you are asking payments, the Chfof Cashier or his 'Deputy me to explain how an offence has taken requests the Officer-in-Charge of Cash to place. When an offence has taken place, open the strong room and the cash is you want me to explain the offence. taken out in tbe manner referred to above. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : I want to understand. I have raised certain There can be many withdrawals. points... Si 7 Nationalised SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAK4) Banks (.Dis.) 318

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : SHRI P1LOO MODY : I would like to You wanted to know one more thing. You make a submission. asked whethc there was anv such similar When we asked for this discussion, we withdra v«tl before. Never. Never. If said that we wanted to discuss the Nagar* you want to know that fact, that never wala case among other things. happened. MR. SPEAKER : No, please. SH'»I SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: Could you give us the normal daily holdings SHRI PI LOO MODY : Please let me in the cnieiiey chest during the last cours make my submission, then you say what of the 1 ist one year ? That we are entitle you like. to know. At that time you said that the matter is sub juaice. We wanted to point out to SHIU YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN S you that there are certain aspects of the Why do you want to know it ? Normally, case which are sub judice —whether Nagar­ really speaking, Rs. 15 to 20 lakhs wala was guilty, whether Malhotra was involved and whether some other people SHRI PNOO MODY : A puerile also are involved. What is not sub fudice exercise is the procedure by which the Nagarwala money was removed. What is not sub tudice SHIU YPSHWANTRAO CHAVAN : is the procedure by which the Nagarwala On an ordinary day, the withdrawal is money was withdrawn. about Rs. 15 to 20 lakhs. On the last day of the month and the first day of the SHRI YPSHWANTRAO CHAVAN J month, it can be between Rs, 80 to % That is an oflfencc. That is what is lakhs. judice.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : SHRI PILOO MODY : Mr. C§*$»Q 24th is not the last day. says that the Nagarwala money was with* drawn by offence and that it is an offence. SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : It was not the last day. SHRI N. N. PANDEY : On a point of order, Sii. Why do you allow ques­ SHRI H. M. PATFL rov. tions ? MR. SPEAKER : Mr. Pandey. MR. SPEAKER : No more questions please. SHRI PILOO MODY : So, what I feel is that as a result of your having SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : kindly permitted this discussion, what Mr. 1 had asked whether any departmental Chavan has accepted in doing is com­ inquiry has been instituted and any action pounding the mystery and worsening ihe taken. This is a very important thing, crisis Otherwise, what are we discussing for ? SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : This is very unfair. Departmental action has been taken and the person concerned has been suspended SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: and now as the case is before the court, What is the account against which it has departmental proceeding have to be kept in been withdrawn ? Why don’t you say that ? abeyance. SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN: SH gt SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : It is a matter before the judiciary. Why How njpfty are sdfpended ? should you have suspicion about it. Sir, I think, some people, really speaking, are YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : suffering from a chronic suspicion and the correction, twoperapos have been only treatment can be a psychiatric treat­ ment. . (Interruptions), 319 Crash Programme Jor AUGUST 11, 1971 uneducated unemployed 320 (H.A.H. Dls.) SHRI PILOO MODY : Unfortunately, v tm r z sRrff n f mW f frtfizmfr & parliamentary procedures •• ^psiTT *ft sretft t f n 3?5Tt 3TT I !

MR. SPEAKER : No, please Mr. f??f?cTR % 'tM ttftt 5r *rrar fa^r Pandey. c R | ^ g ? sft I, *ft SHRI P. K. DEO : I snbmit item No. TTfif^5fT5f %5TT | , % I 19 should have been taken now. t ^ R F C sft I ! «TF?T fl^TT «TT MR. SPEAKFR : First you ask for fa ^isr ^ rrft r a r sr%*ft ?rt 3* sftanr extension of time and then you deprive the «r?rpft sfarnr % ar*iT»fa other Member of his right. ^nfr % *Tf% FT«TT ZW* ^FFT ffffa We will now take up the half-hour discussion which will be over by 6.30 and ?ft»ft Vt «TT sppr fa# I |*I% «TT then we take up the discussion under Rule % ?.*r a pra# * frar % % 193 for an hoiti As we aie at the fag end of the session. I hope vou won’t mind sit* pt«rr tW t t o % ting a little late. sftol fa # I 5*5 ^ frflt SITcT aft Mr. Pandey. farcri* ^ ^

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Steel Melting shop of the Rourkela Steel steel plant costs Rs. 2,00,000 in gross plant and today, the penultimate day of this value of output.” session of Lok Sabha. In this particular plant, most of the plant The Minister deserves our congratula­ will not work for six months. Although tions for appointing a high-power experts steel is produced by openhearth process, it committee to go into the whole affair and is the LD piocess for which India's first this committee is now three weeks old and public sector steel plant is known and which I am sure most of the precious work en­ is now the most modern process of produc­ trusted to them in regard to this task would ing steel. Now this LD process has come have been completed. Again, there was a fact* to a halt and is not going to be com­ finding committee appointed immediately missioned for six months. So, the stagger­ after this accid nt by the plant authorities ing loss to the plant and the country’s to collect all available evidence. So, this total steel output could easily be ima­ hon. House has no reason to regret for this gined. delay in the discussion on the Minister’s This loss would now affect our foreign statement as the Minister would now be trade and our internal demand for steel, able to give more information to the House both of which are growing over the years. in regard to the whole issue. In 1970*71 we exported 4,64,773 tons of pig This accident by the sheer enormity of iron and 5,33,262 tons of steel and the it is probably the biggest accident in the public sector accounted for 65 to 70 per cent history of our public sector enterprises. The of this. In terms of foreign exchange the Minister has mentioned in his statement public sector plants expect to earn Rs. 53 that about 10,000 sq. metre area of a total crores. For the current year a higher target roof area of 38,000 sq. metres of the steel must have been fixed in regard to the melting shop has come down as a result of amount of steel to be exported and the which 6 LD converters along with two blast amount of foreign exchange to be earned. furnaces have slopped working, besides As a result of this accident I am afraid we causing great damage to a number of shall not be able to earn even half of this machinery and systems of, work. Now the amount and fulfil half of the quota fixed Minister would be in a bette.' position to for the purpose. The Rourkela Steel Plant give an approximate, if not exact, estimate is known for pioducing a special kind of of the loss to the plant. The loss is on steel which is needed for defence p urpose several counts. Firstly, there is the damage and as a result of this accident it must have of the roof itself- the cost of clearance of reaction on the defence industries. I do not the debris. The designing and reconstruc­ know what the reaction would be on these tion of the whole stiucturc may run to industries. Again, thete arc a number of anci­ crores of rupees. The designing part has llary industries dependent on the steel pro­ already been given to CEDB and construc­ duced in Rourkela Steel Plant and they tion of the roof is to be entrusted to must have already been affected or would be Jessops. So, some estimate must have been immediately affected as a result of this acci­ made about the cost. dent. We are yet to know what are these industries and how it is proposed to meet Now, in regard to production, the their difficulties. damage is more serious there. In the year 1969-70 owing to labour trouble the shortage Regarding labour, the casual iatrour of saleable steel in Rourkela was of the employed must be putting up with great order of 1,12,000 tons. There was a loss of difficulty and we want to know from the 2,92,000 man hours and in the terms of hon. Minister what alternative arrangements money it came to Rs. 12 crores. Now, to absorb them have already been made. according to the statement made by the hon. Now, 1 come to the time to be taken for re- Minister, the commissioning of the LD con­ commissioning the L. D. converters. The verters will take about six months. Only hon. Minister has said that it would take one converter is expected to be commissio­ six months time. May I ask him if the time ned in September. could not be shortened or if he has explored any possibility of shortening this time ? May According to some experts, and here 1 1 also ask him if their is any proposal from quote Shri Sarin : the German sources that they would send a “Every hour lost m a two million ton team of experts from West Germany on 331 R o o f collapse in AUGUST 11, 1971 Rourkela Steeel Plea* (£Us.) 332

[Shri J. B. Patnaikl short notice to re-commission the L. D, the serious nature of this accident, the con­ convertors within weeks and this long period cerned officials in charge of maintenance of of six months could be reduced ? ihe steel melting shop should have been sus­ 1 now come to the point icgarding the pended immediately. causes of accident. As 1 have already said, a ICS officers in the olden days of the very high-level expert committee has been British raj were considered as sacred cows. appointed by the hon. Minister, and it They were not to be touched ; nothing could would not be proper to pre-judge their be said against them. But in our present findings, but in this particular case this state we are committed to socialism and accident is not the first one of its kind. democracy. The highest official of the land is There has been another accident in the year not immune from criticism, including the 1962 or 1%3 of a similar nature, though not hon. Minister end othei high office holders of similar dimension. A much smallar por­ of Government. Then why should there be tion of the roof of the same still melting an attempt to protect officials who are found shop came down at that time, and there to be responsible for bad maintenance and was a Committee appointed to enquire into for causing this very serious accident which the cause of that accident and they also gave has resulted in heavy losses to the national a report. According to that report the revenue and dislocation in various industiies reason of the accident was accummulation of our country ? of iron-ore dust deposits from the steel 1 have nothing to say against the hon. melting shop and improper maintenance and Minister. Of course, as 1 have said earlier, not proper clearance of the tons and tons he has made a very honest attempt to find of iron dust which are deposited every day out the causcs of this accident and has on it. Suggestions must have been made by already appointed a high-power committee. that enquiry Committee at that time regarding Hut he has said while giving that statement the maintenance of the Steel Melting Shop to this House—I would like to read out one regarding the quick accummulation of iron- sentence from his statement ore dusi deposits and the findings must have been there and action must have been taken "Following heavy and incessant rain according to the findings, but still this for about two hours, a part of the roof accident of a similar lype took place in the structure of the Steel Melting Shop over plan. I am told as a result of that earlier a length of about ISO metres collapsed finding a smoke cleaner costing about a round about midnight.’' crore of rupees was put in the Steel Melting I do not want to icad too much in this Shop so that no heavy deposits or silting of statement. I do not say that this is the iron-ore dust would be there on the roof. I reason for the collapse of the roof. But am told again thjt this costly machine was certainly he is using words as a very dis­ set up but never worked. Again this is a criminating person. He should not have case of bad maintenance and the hon. brought in this factor of rain while he was Minister has admitted—of course, not here giving that statement to this House. There but in Rajya Sabha—that among the three must be some connection between heavy and public sector steel plants the basic weakness incessant rain and the collapse of the roof. of Rourkela and Durgapur is in the proper It may be the immediate reason but it may maintenance. not be the whole reason for the collapse of the roof. This iron dust was accumulating.

18,35 hrs. THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI MOHAN KUMARAMAN- [Shri Sezmivan in the Chair] GALAM) : This is a factual statement. That is all. Somebody mnst be responsible for this maintenance. A similar accident had taken SHRI J. B. PATNA1K. : Maybe, this place and the findings are there. If they heavy accumulation of iron dust, coupled were not acted upon, why was immediate with this heavy and incessant rain, must action not taken against the officers res­ have made it difficult for that roof to ponsible for it ? Nobody says that they take that burden and it must have come s h o u tb e dismissed but certainly, in view of down. 333 R o o fcollapse in SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) Rourkela Steel Plant (Dis.) 334

The point is, in view of a similar acci­ corporate sector, the Directors would have dent in the past and in view of the reasons been sacked long before. already found out for that sort of accident, Mr. Patnaik described it to be an why wis some action not taken—not accident. It cannot be an accident; it dismissal but some sort of action -to crcatc cannot be a mismanagement. It is a cal­ public confidence in our public sector plants culated neglect on the part of the contrac­ so that there should not have been so much tor who was entrusted with the duty to uproar now in the country about this keep clean the roof of this shop. This did As regards the working of the Ministry, not happen all of a sudden. This is the I have all praise for the Minister. He is a second time that it happened. ' ’cry dynamic personality He has brought Rourkela is one of the two steel plants in youth and exuberance coupled with a which has been paying us. From the gieat sense of responsibility and dedication Annual Report of the Ministry of Steel to his duty. But, as a great lawyer that and Mines, we find that in respect of an he is, I would crave his indulgence to ovciall los-* of Rs. 104 73 millions, Rourkela suggest that justice should not only be done made a profit of Rs. 78.10 millions. In but justice should appeal to have been spite of the fact that (here were serious d >nc. difficulties on the labour from during the In conclusion. I would suggest that the period April-Scptember, 1970, the Report hon. Minister should fix a firm date for the further states that it has been estimated that final report of the inquiry to be submitted in Rourkela about 2,02,000 man hours were so that the House could know what its lost in 1070-71 due to the labour trouble findings are. They should not take such and that the value of loss of production an inordinately long time. Now it is three was of the order of Rs. 12 crores. Since weeks and we know nothing about the then, there has been good relationship bet­ procedure of the inquiry or whether thev ween the laboui and the management and have given any interim report to the Minis­ the things were improving as the balance- ter There is again this collection of shcet has shown evidence by the Committee which was In this regard, I would charge the appointed immediately after this collapse. bureaucracy and those in the management Those findings must be there with the of dereliction of their duty. Why has the Minister. We hope that we would inform contractor not been taken to task ? Why the House as to what the findings were all protection is being given to him ? This about the evidence. is not the first time. If it would have Then, I would request the hon. Ministei been the first time, then there would have that from the point of view of maintenance been some plea tor it. But this is the this public sector plant has been most second time that this has happened and, neglected in the past and, along with as a result, the entire shop will be out of Durgapur, as this plant is a great asset to order for a period of six months which will the nation in terms of earning foreign lead to the closure of 5 LD converters and exchange and in terms of speeding up of the closure of 2 more blast furnaces. It industrialisation of the country, there should will slow down the work of the permanent be no stone unturned in the maintenance unit and other various units and it will of this industry properly. Roms assurance slow down the ancillary industry. There should be given by the hon Minister to will be a loss of revenue to the State and the House in this respect. to Centre and, more so, of foreign ex­ change. SHRI P. K. DEO {Kalahandi): Mr. The loss has been estimated to the Chairman, Sir, first of all, I thank Mr. tune of more than Rs. 100 crores in a Patnaik for having given us an opportunity period of six months. I again charge the to discerns the sordid state of affairs in our top-brass, the bureaucracy, who has been public sector undertakings responsible for it. It is due to the fight With an investment of Rs. 3902 croies that has been going on in Rourkela. There in the public sector undertakings, there is has been no unity of purpose. There have a return ©f 1.3 per cent. We can afford to been quarrels *, there have been promotion play ducks and drakes with the tax-payers’ aspirations between G.M. and G.S. All this Iponey. But if it would have been in the has led to this sad state of affairs. The 335 Roof-colfapse in AUGUST II, 1971 Rourkela Steel Plant (Dts.) 336

[Shr i P. K. Deo] Minister might speak with bravado while mitted his resignation because of an acci­ addressing the officers, “The heads will dent in which a Japanese Air Force plane roll. I will chop rig h t; I will chop left.” and a commercial plane collided in mid­ Let us see, only the future could tell. It air. I hope the same noble, democratic is a matter o f concern to us and socialist tradition will inspire our Minister and he will submit his resignation. SHRI MOHAN KUMARAMANGA- LAM : 1 have never used those expres­ sions, “ I will chop right ; I will chop left.” If tft 3rt W* M l % sffcr gt ssrfarstf ^sf^rr fc, w*rr SHRI P. K. DEO : 1 am quoting from a pamphlet which has come to me this morning by post. fptrr f srfN r 1 9 6 2 3r t f t f* rd

SHRI MOHAN KUMARAMANGA- i % iTcfr s^Rrnrct LAM : But that pamphlet was not issued «r?n*ft »nft i s p irit s m t f n p - by me, I think. f t I it TT^t ^ft 3TTW*TTS5TT

SHRI P. K. DEO : Anywav, I will be s f% ^ tot satisfied if theie is an inquiry instituted under the Commissions of Enquiry Att ?T?ft ft s n $ f^TT TOT ? presided over by a High Court Judge, a representative of the employees, a represen­ tative of the Ministry and a representative | far vHTTST STTftST WS[% % W fJTft l of the Hindustan Steel authorities. Then, WT ipft ^SRT t ^ tft the actual thing will come out. Then, there has been a loose talk of T O ^ «TT f a ?TOT 3»T ^ s*?t lay-off. ffN i qrft 3TT^*ft rft ffTFTPT I would like to have a categorical Bt^FffrTT | I guarantee from the Minister that not a single labourer will remain unemployed because it is not a fault of his for which SHRI MOHAN KUMAR AM ANGA- he has to be penalised. That guarantee I LAM : On a point of explanation, Sir. want from the Minister, that there will not That is a wrong translation. The Hindi be any lav-off of the labourers translation makes it appear as though the reason for the accident was the heavy down­ pour. That is an incorrect translation. SHRI MOHAN KUMARAMANGA- What I stated was that following LAM : Hon. Member will excuse me. May I the heavy downpour, this has happened. I ask him a question to help me, that in any did not say it was due to the heavy down­ industry with which he is associated, he pour but in the Hindi translation it was will also, even though it may be due to made to appear that the actual reason for difficulties for which the labour is tn no the accident was the heavy downpour. 1 way responsible, never lay off anybody ? apologise for it.

SHRI P. K. DEO : I thank you very « ft WK% q t t : eft v m w f t much. At the same time, I would like that let no innocent person suffer. They f c f t f ir sft *T?ft «ft i should continue to get their pay and 5 * f t ?T?T BT? STTiT cTT^f* gratuity and whatever is due to them. f% W ’tft W t w % JPTUTT Lastly, ( beg to submit and quote the instance of Shri Lai Bahadur Shastri who t o t , a m fa z v t r t % «m r submitted his resignation over a railway accident. I quote the example, a recent | tft 3*t*pt ftofesr wtwt Wimple, wh$r* a Japanese Mipist^r sub* I fnwt *rr*pr $ fc tsr* 337 Roof-coliupse it, SRA VAN A 20, 1693 (Sst&/t) Raurkelu Steel Plant (Dto.) 33#

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r$hri S, .S. jMohapqtira] upioftist as Shri N|ohan Kumaramangalam, Further, there is no safety also. Within and, holding an important portfolio as he four weeks, four people have died inside does, naively, the Ministry of Steel, we the Rogrkela steel plant Can you imagine hope, he will do very much, not only in it ? Two persons died while tr>ing to safe­ respect of steel production in the country, guard the property of the steel plant. There but also in respect of the entire labour pro­ were no armed guards. Dacoits came from blem in our country. outside and t he robbers killed them One The Steel Minister, in his speech here died on the spot and the other one died in in the Lok Sabha »aid that by 19X0 India the hospital Another day a big iron slab would J»ave 20 million tonnes of steel lie tell on somebody’s head and he also died said, by that lime we would have spent on the spot. This is the third instance Rs. 5,000 crores. At present we have spent when the roof has collapsed and one Govar- R§. 2,000 crores on investment. dhan Singh has died and 19 msn have been seriously injured and 1 do not know whether 1 have got to tell you one thug. On the anyone else has succumbed. The question investment in all these public sector under* is why the officers were not careful. In 1961 taking*) we are incurring losses, in Bhilai when there was a miniature roof collapse, we have invested Rs. 3632 millions ; loss nothing happoned Tills time Mr. Saxena, Rs. 271 millions ; in Durgapur the invest­ DIG of the CBI had been to Rourkela be­ ment is Rs. 2968 millions ; loss Rs. 840 fore the Looma Committee went. The millions. In Rourkcla, investment Rs. 4153 hott Minister may be interested in going million. ; loss Rs. 322 millions. After this into the findings of Mr Saxona, then he disaster in the Rourksla steel plant our will be convinced, in fact moie than con­ couatry is going to have massive investment vinced of what I am saying here on the in foreign exchange. floor of the House. One thing that other speakers have not He may kindly understand that the con­ pointed out is this. All thote iron dusts tractors are playing a very dirty game in the were accumulating on the rpof of the steel steel plant. melting shop. That was the only reason. I have consulted even the experts. Mr. Millions of rupees are going into the Patnaik had quoted Mr. Sarin’s report; I pockets of the contractors. With youi per­ have consulted some experts in the steel in­ mission, t would like to read out from the dustry who have experience in design and copy of a letter written by Mr. S B. Raman, construction. They say, the collapse was Assistant General Superintendent, the man earned due to the structural modification of next in command. He has wiitten this t lie roof structure in between column B-8 letter to the chief engineer, wherein he has and B-10 and they tried to introduce an himself said that there is a vested interest assembly ;rane in this section, thereby in the steel plant in the matter of giving weakening ihe structure of the roof and in contracts to the private parties. This is what addition, there was the extraordinary load Mr. Raman writes : of the LD dust. You can imagine this •My dear Pujari, situation : For months tpgether the dust Early in November, I had pressed was accumulating on the roof of that steel Shri Surcsh Gupta, Wagon Repair melting shop. Not ®ttly that. Wifh heavy Shop, to engage a contractor for a rains, tlie wn getting more weight. period of one month.” You can imagine the heavy weight of the Sir, the story is this. There is a wagon iron dust due to such heavy rains The dust iepaii shop u here we have our own staff to remained inside the pipe and closed the manufacture bogies. There is an Industrial routs aod naturally it corroded the joints Engineering Department there which & the and when there was incessant rain on the root of all evils. The Industrial Engineering Utin«fcfet» it gave way Department told the steel plant atitfroirfties Die question Is one of maintenance. The that the worker had .only capacity up 'to fO maintenance there is very poor. 1 have per cent or so, and they would not be abte gone' taride the steel plant, being the to do the job, and, therefore, the work viea»|Kesi£ent of the labour union. l might better be ,given to the private parties. ha** a m

to Mr. Raman and said *Give the work to a month. Has his brafn gone up five times us, xnd we will do it in record time, and in these few years ? Certainly nof. But we shall show better production and pro­ what about the workers ? A worker hat to duce better bogies.’ Will you believe me be in his job at a salary of R$. 1)2 for nearly when I say that the contractor was agree* fifteen years without any increment arid able to only four bogies ? without any channel of promotion. Mr. Raman then writes What will be the reaction of the “On 13th, I was informed that the workers ? Try to appreciate my feeling! a£ wagon repair crew have done 5 bogies a trade unionist. Unless you have the co­ in eight days, and we were running short operation of labour, there will be no saffc' of electrodes. And these engineers were running of the plant. The bureaucrats not helping our workers have come from either the administrative 1 thought the shop management side or from the private sector. Tl^ would have shown enthusiasm to see General Superintendent is from the private that the elementary lesponsibllities sector. The Chief Engineer is from Private from their side are taken care of and Sector and anothei senior Engineer is from there is no break in work. Tatas, They have no sympathy for socia­ lism 1 am extremely distressed to learn this morning that for want of electrodes, the crews have been idle for the last 19 001m. three days I am very happy that the I say this ou the floor of the House that Mr. Panda has carried out hu portion of when Shrimati Indira Gandhi went to the woik. Five bogies in eight days Rourkela in the first week of Macch, on the by two crews is equivalent to 19 bogies second or third, the officers—I will not per month. name them, but I have told the Chairman Believe me, I feel as if I had just of HSL- a very senior officer said : ‘Miss come out of a game of strip poker, com­ India is coming to Rourkela to win us pletely naked’*. over’. This is the feeling of the bareau- In the circumstance's, can anybody crats to our Prime Minister, towards the contradict the allegations made that people of India. there is a vested interest for letting out The sted melting shop will not work work oo contracts ?” for six months. You have assured the I shall leave the copy of this letter with people of India that there will be oo lay-off. the hon. Ministei who will see from this for But that is no remedy. Rourkela il not himself that the assistant general superin­ reaching the target. You have admitted tendent admits that there is a vested interest yourself that from September 1970 then has inside the steel plant for giving contracts been no labour trouble there. It is we, the to the private parties Here are the papers 1NTUC people, who had assured Sbfi with me whieh will go to show that every Bhagat and Shrimati Nandini Salpathi at month more than a lakli of rupees is being Rourkela that there would be no labour given by the steel plant as domurrage, be­ trouble. There was a situation theft, I cause they are' in league or hand in glove would not call it a catcall' strike, when with the contractors. workers refused to work in cranes due to some trouble. What is the way out ? Wiut can Shri- raftti Indira Gandhi do to transform the I assure you when Shrimati Indira society ? What can the hon. Minister do ? Gandhi wants to transform the society, we He is a dynamic trade unionist. But what have in Rourkela a gem among ptfbHc can he do ? The technocrats and the sector undertakings There witt W ttd buMdnerais will not aHow him to do any­ labour trouble. Till now there has been thing. no labour trouble. You have admitted that I may tell y6u on the floor of the House yourself. that there is a difference between the general But what is the response from the) manager and the general superintendent of bureaucrats ? The workers are chafgetfheeted' the Rourkela Steel Plant who only a few everyday, they are suspended or dismissed. years ago u«d to draw a salary of Rs 500 I have been telling the Minister about’two but who is now drawing a salat y of Rs. 2500 worVieib who have been victimised. Ttoty 343 Roof-cotlapse in AUGUST 11, 1071 Rourkela Steel Plant (bis.) *44

[Sh ri S. S. Mohapatra] have tried to prove their allegiance to the am not going to be satisfied. I am going plant, to the Government They are good to request him (hat be must intervene, look workers. But they have been victimised. into all these things and take drastic steps The bureaucrats say, ‘We will not take them to remedy the situation. back* In Durgapur, you have reinstated Lastly, this trouble is dtie to heavy workers who were harbouring aggressive investment and the profit not being commen­ designs, who were beating officers, who were surate with the investment. 1 have come aliftost NaXalites. Shri Cbandi went there to know from very top engineers of India and reinstated then, Bui what do you do and from two German engineers that with to the people victimised in Rourkela ? the Minister there is a file concerning Shri frothing, because they are Oriya, peace- Iqbal Bharati who is a top scientist in loving people who do not create trouble, steel. He has entered into a contract with who believe in constitutional means. Koppers of West Germany for producing Rourkela is a vulnerable point, with steel in India at a price something extra­ communal riot, regional not, provincial riot. ordinarily and unimaginably cheap. Unless you remove the bureaucrats who are He says, and it has come out in the responsible for at! these things, Rourkela may Statesman of the Mh of this month, that not be peaceful. When such a thing steel can be produced, a tonne ot steel can happens, the responsibility for it will lie be produced at Rs. S. Am 1 to believe it 7 squarely on the bureaucrats who are there. He said that the price of steel, at site, will There is a personnel department in be Rs. SO a tonne. 1 would not have charge of labour relations. The Personnel believed it, but I have seen for myself the manager does not know anything about contract made between Koppers and Mr. labour management He has no degree The Iqbal Bharati. 1 understand Mr. Chandy, Deputy Personnel Manager is an industrial the Chairman of Hindustan Steel, went to engineer with no degree. I understand Germany with some officers of Hindustan from a very reliable source that one of the Steel and he also was satisfied. And the top officers of the personnel department at file is lying with the Minister. You arc a the head office was in a mental asylum a dynamic Minister, having new ideas and few years ago. These are the things having a new dimension. The people of that are going on in the Rourkela Steel India would be amazed to see that an Indian Plant. scientist can produe steel at a price or I have to tell the hon. Minister. There Rs. 50 a tonne at sue and the production will be no labour trouble in Rourkela if he cost will be Rs. 5. If it is not done imme­ intervenes and sets things right If he does diately, I understand Shri Iqbal Bharati is not do it, there will be troub’e. There is going to leave India. The Chancellor of difference between the Chairman and the West German Government is very serious General Manager who are not pulling on about it. They may take him out of India, well. There will be difference between the and if he goes out of India, the same thing General Superintendent and the General will happen as it happened in the case of Manager. There is no co-opetation between Mr. Sun. One Punjabi, Mr. Suri, discovered the General Superintendent and the Assis­ something, but the Indian Government did tant Superintendent. There is no co-opera­ not take advantage of it. He went to tion between the Assistant Superintendent Germany. They are now having the Suri and the Chief Engineer. It is a complete transmission. Similarly, if this is not hotch-pjtch. It is all a palace intrigue taken advantage of, the Iqbal Bhfcfati going on every day. You cannot stop it, piocess will be flown out from India to unless you take very bold steps. other countries. As I have said, it has been admitted SHRI SWARAN SINGH SORHI that there is no labour trouble, bat if things (Jamshedpur) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, after are not mended there will be trouble. In the accident in the Rourkela steel plant," I D\ttg*pur, everyday there is trouble. Shri visited Rourkela steel plant to assess the Cbandi is being embrassed over the situa­ loss and damage due to the collapse oi the tion. So I appeal to the hod Ministei steel inciting shop and the reasons of the to intervene and set things right. He has accident which occurred mi \(fee Mth July said that there will be no lay-off. But 1 this year. Us koofcoitapse In SRAVANA 2,0, 1893 (SAKA) Aourktla Steel Plant (Dis.) 346

A few y«ars ago also, a part of the roof estimated total loss is to the tune of several of the LD plant had collapsed due to the crores of rupees. negligence of the top officials and also due Further, I would like to say, Mr. Chair­ to the dust which had settled on the roof. man, Sir, that the gas cleaning plant which A fact-finding committee was appointed. was installed at a cost of rupees one ciore Although it was established that some last year at the Stetl Melting Shop for officials were responsible for the accident, no catching the dust of the L. D. converters one was punished. It also appeared that was commissioned in June last year and at that time they swallowed the money in worked only for 7 days and then stopped by collaboration with the contracts who were the Management. For the last one year it entrusted with the roof-deaning operation. has been lying idle and it is going to be While the dust of the l.D converter scrapped. As you know, Sir, if any machine were again settling on the Toof of the steel is not used for long, it gets rusty and use­ melting shop, the General Manager and the less. When I put this questicn to the General Superintendent were having their General Manager of the Rourkela Steel private battle for promotion and party Plant on 30th July, during rr.y visit to his politics. It is the stupidest disaster of this Office, he had no proper ansuer to it. The type in the history of steel-making in the repair work of the Steel Melting Shop and world. One worker died and many others the Conveyers are no doubt in full swing were injured, as stated by the hon. Minister and were to my satisfaction. The Chief of Steel, Shri S. Mohan Kumaramangalam, Engineer of the Plant, Shri Klietri, was seen in this august Bouse on the 19th July. doing a good job dismantling and fabricating the conveyers structurals at site and doing There is of course a deliberate negligence the erection work af duty on the part of the officers and it As you know, Sir, this is a national should not be taken lightly. Sometimes, plant. Negligence, laxity and sabotage by for small and flims> reasons, workers are the well-paid, well-fed and well looked after suspended. The sabotage and deliberate top bosses should not be tolerated. They negligence of duty is a major offence, and must be punished to set an example for the the hon. Minister of Steel knows it. All future. the persons, however highly placed they may be responsible for the collapse of the I appreciate the work of our hon. roof, should be ruthlessly taken to task. It Minister of Steel Shri S. Mohan Kumara­ is surprising that no oflicer has yet been mangalam, who is also an able lawyer and a good administrator. He has tackled the suspended. 1 may call it a planned sabotage by the top officers of the Rourkela Steel situation without any loss of time by taking prompt steps as far as possible as soon as Plant. he returned from abroad to get the plant The structure that had collapsed, as repaired and re-commissioned and apprised stated by the hon. Minister, is 10,000 sq. this august House by stating the facts. metres, and the dust accumulation on the Though the Steel Ministry is doing a very top of the roof, in 6# deep 4 mm trap good job, but this is not sufficient. Shri plates, is approximately at the rate of Kumaramangalam should further take 30 tonnes per day, which comes to 900 immediate action against such officers found tonnes per month, and I have no doubt in guilty and punish them as soon as the my mind that this disaster has token place Enquiry Committee submits it* report due to the negligence on the part of the towards the end of this month. officers directly in charge of the operation 1 think electrical equipment worth Rs. 2 and maintenance of the steel melting shop to Rs. 3 lakhs will have to be imported from of the Rourkela steel plant. Germany or other places. The plant, 1 The down pipes were still choked and think,*is going to start work without the the gutters filled with the L. D. Converter’s roof very shortly, may be early next month. dust were seen by me on the top side of the The convcyer will be ready by the end of roof when I went up on the roof on the this month. I have not seen any labour 79th July. In tny opinion there is nothing idle there. My hon. friends who spoke have wrong with the design of the steel structural not cared to visit the plant after the accident, trtwses, purlins, and columns, though they except for Mr. Majhi. They could have looked weak lying in twisted condition. The visited the plant and seen things for them* 3*7 HooficoNafs* in AUGUST 11, 1*71 Rourkela Stetl FU mt 34*

[Shri Swaran Singh SofchiJ selves. They are wanted there by their own workers, who were in contact with the mew. malting shop, may tidt give proper evidence for fear of their higher bosses. In the past SHRI GAJADHAR MAJHl (Sundar- hundreds of workers have beeb suspended garh): I represent the constituency in ori trifling charges Secondly, the concerned which Rourkela is situated. Hundreds of officers may try their best to mislead the worker* work there from my locality. So, investigation to safeguard their own interest. what happens in HSL, particularly an So, T request the hon. Minister to accident of this type, deeply affects me. suspend the concerned officers and to give Apart from the national interest, I beg an assurance in this House to safeguard the your indulgence to allow me to present this service of those workers who want to give personal factor. evidence before the inquiry committee.

This is not the first accident of this type. THF MINIS! LSR OF STEEL AND This is the second of its kind resulting in MINES (SHRt MOHAN KUMARAMA- loss of life and property, and as no serious MGALAM) : Mr. Chairman, may I, first action was taken against the culprits of the of all, express the deep concern of the first accident, the second accident took place. government about what has happened in Of course, I have nothing to say against Rourkela ? I am in entire agreement with the Minister He is energetic and active the hon. Members who used justifiably strong and he has generated a sense of vigour and language about the disaster there. It is not confidence. But his Ministry owes an possible for me now to go into the question explanation to the House why action was of who i* responsible for what has happened not taken before and what action is being and what are the causes. The enquiry taken now to bring the guilty to book. committee which has been appointed by the It is a case of carcless officers and con­ government is at present carrying on its tractors. I have collected information from investigation and we have asked the com­ varioue ‘sources that due to non-clearance of mittee to submit its report at the latent by the big roof the steel melting shop dust 31st August, that is, by the end of this deposited which caused the closure of all the month. Considering the fact that the water outlets. During the time of rain water disaster took place on the night of 11/12th sift through the layer of du*t corroded the July, I think it is not a very long tirre and joint* of heavy structure and finally weakened we can certainly afford to wait for that. it. As a result of this, five LD converters, two blast furnaces in addition to the one But while saying so I would aUo like to already unserviceable and ancillary indus­ mention that there is no reason for us to tries were closed Work of permanent units believe that any of the evidence which should such as raw materials, traffic, B.F., S.M.S., have been made available to the oonamiUee coke ovens, electric sheet niilU atid all units has disappeared, or could- disappear. I say of rolling mills were suspended and work of this for three reasons. First of all, on the some of them were slowed down. 16th an officer of the Central Bureau of Investigation had reached Rourkela. On the Now both the Central and State Govern­ 17th I was there; not that counts very ments have to incur heavy losses of revenue much, if you ask me. On the 20th tfc and also foreign exchange because of ouKinfe committee was appointed and on the order. The estimated total loss may be 21st two members of the committee reached Rs. 100 crores, if not more than that. there. As it clear even from what has Freun the government side nothing is been stated in this House by my friend, done to find out the real cause immediately. Shri Sokhi, plenty of things were lying there No official papers were seized which-might even when he went there, which was consi­ have given proof of carelessness of officers derably later. I do not propose to comment and no Wgh official was sent immediately on what he saw, because 1 am sure' what he f«W on the spot inquiry, but an order wns saw was seen also by other persons, Including sent to remove the broken materials art soon the members of the committee, and I am as possible. So, I am in doubt whether the confidttrtt that the committee1 would lake prewflt inquiry committee will be successful into cdiwWeratidn all1 thfe fafttrt in ortfof td’ in getting at the real cause. The1 low paid corac to a ftfopcr conclusion. 349 ,Rpof coiiapse in SKAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) Rourkcla Steel Plant {Vis.) 350

The report that has been submitted by higher integrity then a person who dons the the officers of the CB1 who went down robes of an engineer. I do not share that there has been handed over to the committee view, I think both are equally good. 1 and 1 am sure the committee would take think wc should choose whether a judge or that report into its consideration when coming an engineer for the purpose in hand is more to a final decision. 1 would like to mention competent. however, that the suggestion made by Shri I also do not think it would be correct P. K. Deo on the one hand, which I was to do what Mr. P. K. Deo suggested, surprised to find my hon. friend, Shri Sarjoo namely to appoint a commission of enquiry. Pamley agreeing to, namely, that a High The reason is, a commission of enquiry will Court Judge should be appointed to investi­ have to lake cvidencc. You will have to gate the mutter, is not a suggestion with cioss-examinc, re-examine, Lawyers appear­ which I am in agreement at all. ing, and by the time the commission finishes i think that the Committee that we its work the expansion of Rourkcla may have set up is entirely a proper committee. be over. What wc want is a report by per­ It is a committee composed of technical sons competent to investigate speedily which people who are peculiarv competent to will help both to re-build Rourkcla on the investigate a matter of this character. I one hand and also to locate the real reasons am always afraid, if lawyers are associated ard tin persons responsible so that action with committees of this character—and I may be taken against them and wc may think I speak with some experience—that learn for the future to sec that these things at the end of it alt we will get a report pro­ do not happen. bably after six months after following the Hon. Members have urged that we tortuous processes which lawyers love to should immediately take action against the indulge in if given the opportunity. On persons responsible. 1 would only like to the other hand if you put practical men say—I appreciate antirelv the concern ex­ who are technically capable to do the job pressed by them and their anxiety that who­ wc should be able to get a report quickly ever is responsible should be brought to and directly in regard to the issues which book quickly—and I will assure them that are involved and which led to this disaster, there will be no reluctancc on the part i do want to repudiate the insinuation that of the Government to take action against the members of the committee are likely to whoever is responsible, however highly white-wash the bureaucrats and sj on and placed he may be. But at the same time so forth. It is, I think, necessary to men­ I do not think that it will be proper for tion that all the Members of the Committee me immediately to take action merely on including the Secretary, whose name I was the basis of certain suspicions. We have not able to announce in the Lak Sabha on received of course an interim report from the last occasion when I made the state­ the Committee. But the interim report ment, are persons who are very competent does not define and categorise exactly who technically to investigate a matter like this. is responsible, nor are the Members of the So far as the Chairman of the Committee Committee yet clear definitely as to what concerned he is a person who has retired as are the causes. There are certain sugges­ Engineer-in

[Sh ri Mohan Kumaramangalam] not working and so on and so forth, I think, Let me go next to the speed with which it would again be improper on my part to we are trying to bring the plant back into say ‘Yes’ or ‘No* in all these matters be­ operation. The original date that T give to cause they are really matters now before the House, when I made the statement, was the committee and it will be wrong to pre­ 15th January but now we are fairly confi­ judge the view or the findings of the dent—let me not put it higher than that— comm ittee. that we should be able to get the plant ba.k So far as the question of losses is con­ fully into operation by 15th December. We cerned, it would not be in the region of have been able to push it back on the basis Rs. 100 crores. I do not know why of our schedule for a month. Wc are still suddenly people stumbled upon Rs. 100 trving to speed that up but I do not want crores except that it is a nice round figure to make any promise more than the 15th which you can throw about like this. But December. That is the firm date which 1 will give you a figure; 1 will not say everybody has accepted on the basis of that it is a final figure becuase it is im­ whatever work that has been going on for possible to give a final figure at this stage, the last month or so. Almost all the debris but this figure will be somewhere near the has been cleared. That is not a small final figure. thing, as Shri Majhi who came with me, So far as the question of construction will remember. It was all a-shambles when i s concerned, wc have got off comparatively both of us went down there on the 17th cheaply, namely, about a crore of rupees July. But with very effective and careful or so. It is not a small amount but by work, the debris entangled ovei a height of steel plant standards a crore of rupees is 30 metres has been completely cleared. May­ not much. By my standards or by your be, very little is left now al the time I am standards or by the standards of Members speaking. That is ihe latest report that we have received todav. of this House, of course a crore of rupees is a lot. But to have got off with one The most unfortunate part of the acci­ crore of rupees ia a disaster of this character dent, apart from the fact that we are losing is comparatively to have got off lightly. It all this production, is that some of the may be a little more than a crore of rupees cranes •■eem to have been very badly but I do not think it will be much more. damaged. It may taken even three or four The reason for this is that really the equip­ months to bring them back into operation ment has not suffered any serious damage. If we can speed that up, we will probably Maybe, the crane* are damaged as also be able to speed up production to come into some small structural which are being operation again. The gas cleaning plant is manufactured to a large exteat in our also not working properly aid we hope to country. That is why the loss would be bring it back into operation by early Sep­ around one crorc of rupees on this account. tember. Loss on production is far more serious I must also take this opportunity, with Our assessment is that we should perhaps your leave Mr. Chairmaa, to express my lose somewhere in the region of 3,03,000 thanks to the railway authorities who are tonnes of steel ; that is to say 3 lakh tons giving us every assistance in treating this as of steel costing somewhere in the region of a national crisis. Ordinarily what oje would Rs. 36 crores. Without making an allowance have expected to take 10 to 15 days to reach for raw materials, power etc.. which we do Rourkela is being sent in a short space of not use when we are not producing steel, 24 to‘4& hours. I think, that is something we can take it that the loss will be some­ for 'which all Members of the House will where in that region. That is not a, small join with me in thanking the railway autho­ rities. loss. That is a very serious loss. I «ttn not seeking to minimise it when 1 am com We have also appointed a deputy steel paring It with the figure of Rs. 100 crores. controller entirely to devote full time atten­ When I mention It against Rs. 100 crores, tion to the procurement of steel and ail the ft is not to lessen the seriousness but it is steel is being nude available on an emergent to rive you a more accurate figure so far as basis, I can assure the hon Members that the lot* i* eoaoernwj, ThM i» soroettyBp the entire cmis t§ being treated on * national ley#** o h ' of motto* • 353 Roof-collapse in SRAVANA 20, 1893 (SAKA) Raurxeh Steel Plant (Ois.) 354

whic h the Government has to attend to, and the report on the previous disaster went all the resources of the Government are being right down to the bottom of the matter and drawn into trying to get Rourkela function whether the directions given on the basis of again as soon as we can. the report have been implemented or not. I do not think with all respect to hon. Because that is really a part of the Enquiry Members that there is much else thas I can Committee Report which will come from say now. the technical committee and. 1 think, it would be wrong for me to say anything that Finally, I would like hon. Members to will in any wav prejudice the finding that be satisfied that not merely the Enginecr-in- we are to get from thorn. After all, today Chief who is the Chairman of the Commi­ is Ilth August and, within another three ttee but the other two Members and the weeks, we will have the report in our hands. Secretary are also very competent persons I think, when we have the report in our with high technical qualifications. That hands, we will be in a position to take all is why they have been included in the Com­ the final decisions both regarding prevent- mittee. in > the disaster of this character and re­ The Director of the Central Building garding what action has to be taken against Research Institute, Roorkee, Shri Dines h those who are found responsible for this, Mohan, is a civil engineer with a very long disaster. experience and, in his own Institute, there Before J close, may I iusl mention is a Section which does work on modern one word about this Bhara'i process about Steel Structures. I wanted him inside the which my hon friend Shri Mohapatra was Committee because we wanted the experi­ speaking so eloquently Wc appointed a ence of that Institute to be available lor Committee of high level technological testing material and things of that character. experts headed by an expert of Then, Mr. H. P. Bodhanwala is one ol the National Metallurgical I aboratnrv tlie most experienced engineers with Talas lo examine this process Tlie repot i and he has worked for the last 28 years of this Committee was leccived in the starting as the Chief Draftsman and coming Ministry yesterday and is under consi­ right upto the Technical Adviser. He is deration. We will go into the Mews of ex­ himself a structural engineer with consider­ perts, consider them most carefu'ly and, 1 able experience in steel structures. think, verv soon we will come to a decision on the validity of Shri Bharati's claims. I The Secretary of the Committee, Dr. do not think I should go further into that. Narahari Rao, is a Ph.D. in Structural Engi­ The persons who composed that Committee neering from the University of Sydney, also were persons of high technical qualifi­ Australia and in-charge of the Section on cations in the country and, I think, on the Steel Structures in the Structural Engineer­ basis of that report, we should be able to ing Research Centre. finalise that also. What we have tried to do is to bring into this Committee all the talent that we MR. CHAIRMAN : The House stand* have got in our country because it is not adjourned lo nu-ei again tomorrow at 11 merely those individuals but the organi­ A. M. sation behind them that will also be involv­ ed in helping us to identify what were the 19.35 hrs reasons for the disaster and how we can, in future, see that it does not happen. The Lok SuUIni then (uhotnnrd nil The House will excuse me front not l.U-ven o f the Clock on Thursday, 12, entering into the controverss as to whet In i !97l(Sravam 21. 1801 ( Soka).

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