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House June 27 2000.Pdf THE House of Assembly Debates (OFFICIAL REPORT) FIRST SESSION 1999 – 2004 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY Mr. D. St. E. KELLMAN Miss H. E. THOMPSON, LL.B. Mr. M. Z. WILLIAMS Tuesday, June 27, 2000 Rev. J. J. S. ATHERLEY, B.A., B.Sc. (Parliamentary Secretary, to the Attorney-General and Minister of Home Pursuant to the adjournment, the House of Assembly Affairs) met at 11.20 a.m. on Tuesday, June 27, 2000. Mr. D. T. GILL, B.Sc. Hon. A. P. WOOD (Minister of Agriculture and Rural Development) PRESENT Hon. R. R. FARLEY (Minister of Industry and International Business) His Honour J. M. EDGHILL, J.P., (Deputy Speaker) Hon. Sir Henry FORDE, K.A., Q.C., M.A., LL.M. (Cantab.) Prayers were taken by Rev. Canon Ivan Harewood. Rt. Hon. O. S. ARTHUR, M.Sc. (Econ.), (Prime Minister, Minister of Finance and Economic Affairs and Minister for the Civil Service) Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The House is now in Hon. D. A. C. SIMMONS, Q.C., LL.M. (Attorney session. General and Minister of Home Affairs) (Leader of the House) MINUTES Mr. D. J. H. THOMPSON, LL.B. (Hons.) (Leader of the Opposition) Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The Minutes of Tuesday, Hon. Sir HAROLD St. JOHN, K.A., Q.C., LL.B. June 20, 2000. Hon. Dr. R. L. CHELTENHAM, Q.C., M.A., M.Sc. (Econ.) Hon. D. A. C. SIMMONS: Mr. Deputy Speaker, it has Hon. Miss B. A. MILLER (Deputy Prime Minister, been drawn to my attention that on page 2 of the Minutes of Minister of Foreign Affairs and Foreign Trade) June 20 there is an error after the Minute on Government Mr. G. W. PAYNE, LL.B. Business, Order No. 3 it says: Hon. R. C. EASTMOND, J.P., B.A. (Hons.), Dip. Ed., LL.B. (Hons.), L.E.C. (Minister of the “the Hon. Member spoke and moved, seconded by Environment, Energy and Natural Resources) Hon. Miss M. A. Mottley, that this Bill be now read a Mr. D. CARTER (Chairman of Committees) second time, Hon. Miss M. A. Mottley resuming her Hon. R. N. GREENIDGE, B.A., LL.B. (Minister of speech.” Labour, Sports and Public Sector Reform) Hon. G. A. CLARKE, B.Sc., Dip. Ed., J.P. (Minister of Housing and Lands) I ask that the word “resuming” be deleted and the Hon. R. D. MARSHALL (Minister of Public Works word “reserving” substituted therefor. and Transport) Hon. R. St. C. TOPPIN, LL.B. (Minister of Subject to that amendment, Sir, I beg to move that the Commerce, Consumer Affairs and Business Development) Minutes for the Honourable the House of Assembly for its June 27, 2000 2 meeting of Tuesday, June 20, 2000, which Minutes have in this House and so far as I see it, both according to the been circulated, be confirmed. political philosophy of the Party I belong to and to the extent that I may disagree as far as policy as a representative of my Rt. Hon. O. S. ARTHUR: I beg to second that, Sir. constituency. Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER: If there are no other PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS corrections or observations, then let these Minutes stand confirmed. Hon. Sir HENRY FORDE: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I crave leave of the House to make a statement on a matter that ANNOUNCEMENTS BY HIS HONOUR THE I have given long thought to as to whether to raise it by way DEPUTY SPEAKER of privilege and I have decided against that. Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I am in receipt of the Accounts and Statements for the months of September and Mr. Deputy Speaker, I am very happy when members October, 1999 prepared by the Accountant General. of the public participate in what is obviously a matter of great momentum and significance for the public of Barbados, PAPERS which is the constitutional debate. However, I am concerned when the reports that go out from the House do not Rt. Hon. O. S. ARTHUR: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I am accurately reflect the statements which Members of this commanded to lay: House may make. I asked for the record of my speech made in this House on May 31st. When I was speaking on the 1. The Customs Tariff (Amendment) (No. 2) Order, question of the change in the Head of State this is what I 2000. said: 2. The Value Added Tax Order, 2000. “There are some who have asked for a referendum on this issue. The Cox Commission had recommended a 3. The Value Added Tax (Refund) (The Barbados referendum but the Commissioners felt, after hearing Legion of the British Commonwealth Ex-Services from the public at large, that it would be wasting funds League) Order, 2000. to go for a referendum on this issue and we can only say that that is the situation.” REPORTS FROM SELECT COMMITTEES I believe, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, that that represents the statement I made on referenda. It is a grave distortion of Hon. D. A. C. SIMMONS: Mr. Deputy Speaker, last the House’s procedure for the Nation in particular to carry Tuesday this House proposed its nominees for the Joint two Sundays ago a headline which says: ‘Henry Forde Select Committee on the Fair Trading Bill and the Utilities Against Referendums’. Sir, it does not make sense, Regulation Bill. The Honourable Member for Christ Church particularly where the media has a special responsibility. In West in his absence was proposed as Chairman. I have that manner, if people want to highlight matters in order to spoken with the Honourable Member and the Honourable gain notoriety, they may proceed to conduct the business of Member begs to decline and instead I would propose that the country, particularly where the media has a special this Committee be chaired by the Deputy Speaker. It is usual responsibility, in that manner. in our system for committees to be chaired by one of the presiding officers and I propose therefore that you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, should chair the Committee in place of the I say it does not make sense, Sir. It is a Honourable Member for Christ Church West. misrepresentation of the position of the Commissioners. On page 52 of the Report the Commissioners have recommended people’s initiatives. For those people who Hon. Sir HENRY FORDE: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I have not taken the opportunity to do their homework and would just state that I was not in the House on that day when research this area, people’s initiatives are a form of the Chairman of the Select Committee was appointed. I will referendum. never abdicate my duty as a parliamentarian but as Chairman of the National Insurance Board which owns 22 per cent of At paragraph 9.36 to 9.37, you will note that we say in the Barbados Light and Power Company, I sit on that Board particular: and also on the Board of BARTEL which is still in part ownership by NIB. 9.36. “The Commission noted the existence in a number of democratic countries of methods I do not wish it to be suggested by any person, by which the popular will may be formally particularly in the political frame, that there is any conflict of expressed outside of the purely interest. I obviously reserve my right to speak on any matter representative framework of an elected 3 June 27, 2000 Parliament, in such a way as to be binding or at least of Mr. Deputy Speaker, I think it is proper that I should considerable moral and political force in the operation of put the record straight particularly because there are several government. These include referenda and plebiscites, as well Commissioners who have not had the privilege of speaking as the limited popular initiatives which may be legally in this House but I believe that if the Press really genuinely binding or create law and are a feature of a number of States wishes to make a contribution to this debate in a proper of the United States of America. They are usually introduced manner, as we expect of the free Press of Barbados, then I and voted on contemporaneously with mid-term or think it is absolutely necessary that members of the Press quadrennial elections. should really genuinely read the Report and secondly, put forward the views as represented by Honourable Members and as shown in the text of their speeches. 9.37 “The Commission was satisfied that the overall effect of such modalities is to enhance genuine I am indebted to the House. public participation in the business of government and, thus, to reinforce the concept of the sovereignty of the people as part of the SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDERS concept of national sovereignty.” Hon. D. A. C. SIMMONS: I beg to move that Standing Again, Sir, if the journalists would do their homework Orders Nos. 6, 16, 18, 20, 42(5), 43 and 44 be suspended for and read the Report – it is a pity that a lot of people who are the rest of the day’s sitting. commenting have not taken the opportunity to read the Report before making statements on the matter – they would Hon. Miss. B. A. MILLER: I beg to second that. see that the Commission at page 9 of the Letter of Transmittal made this statement: GOVERNMENT BUSINESS ORDER NO. 1 – TO MOVE THE RESUMPTION OF “The Commission and a sub-committee thereof have DEBATE ON A RESOLUTION TO NOTE THE spent several hours considering two preliminary drafts REPORT OF THE CONSTITUTION REVIEW of the revised Constitution. Outside of the membership COMMISSIONS AND THE PROPOSALS of our Commission, we have had the benefit of the AND RECOMMENDATIONS THEREIN advice of the consultants on these drafts.
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