Burning Questions: Shaping Landscapes with Aboriginal Fire ·~· Interview with Professer Marcia Langton
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l!liJ ENTRETIEN Burning questions: shaping landscapes with aboriginal fire ·~· Interview with Professer Marcia Langton By DouGLAS NAKASHIMA * Nous avons souhaité nous entretenir avec Marcia Langton qui, se fondant sur des données historiques, écologiques, paléontologiques, anthropologiques, montre J'im portance de la gestion aborigène par le jeu avant la colonisation, les désastres écolo giques entraÎnés par l'arrêt de ces pratiques, enfin leur réintégration aujourd'hui dans les Parcs nationaux et régionaux. Les recherches récentes battent en brèche les idées reçues sur la nature. Les paysages " naturels " ont été forgés par les hommes bien plus tôt et de façon beaucoup plus systématique qu'on ne le croyait. La gestion par Je jeu des sociétés traditionnelles avait, sur de nombreux continents, permis de créer des mosaïques d'écosystèmes favorisant une diversité biologique propice à l'exploi tation. Marcia Langton en tire la conclusion que seul le maintien des aborigènes sur leurs terres et la réhabilitation de leurs savoirjaire permettra une gestion durable de ces régions. PR MARCIA lANGTON DN - As bath a trained anthropologist and an aboriginal, individuals put forward by sorne. Soon after contact, Diredor, Centre for you bring a very unique perspective to the issues that 1 however, smallpox, influenza and measles epidemies lndigenous Natural and would like to discuss with you today- the role of aboriginal took an enormous toll, followed by rampant frontier Cultural Heritage peoples in managing ecological diversity in contemporary violence. In southern Australia, especially in the Northern Territory University, southeast, these frontier impacts led to the collapse of Darwin, Australia Australia. ln your recent book Burning Questions: emerging environ mental issues for indigenous peoples in northern aboriginal societies and with that, the interruption of DouGLAS NAKASHIMA, Australia (Langton 7998), you accuse contemporary traditional tire management regimes. In the absence of Coastal Regions and small conservationists of perpetrating 'science fictions· by aboriginal burning, the pastoral ideal - beautiful plains Islands Unit, UNESCO applying the term 'wilderness· to large tracts of aboriginal with sparse forests - encountered by early British colo 1, rue Miollis, lands. ln so doing, they deny the long and continuous nists became, over the next two hundred years, dense 75732 Paris cedex 15, France [email protected] presence of aboriginal peoples on the land, and ignore their forests. profound role in shaping the landscape particularly With the birth of the conservationist movement in through the traditional application offire. You describe this the twentieth century, people naively took these to be as a form of ecological imperialism, a modern-day equiva 'virgin' forests. Non-aboriginal families who have lived lent of the legal mythology of 'terra nullius' which the colo on the land for severa! generations know that this is nial powers used to their advantage by declaring Australia not the case. They know that the contemporary land an 'empty land', devoid of human in habitants, and there scape is quite different from that which their grandfa fore free for the taking. Today, the concept of 'wilderness· thers and great-grandfathers first settled. There were accomplishes a similar task, opening the wayfor the estab not the dense forests th at conservationists chain them lishment of national parks and other protected a reas. These selves to today, but open rolling hills with sparse are provocative ideas, underlining the persistence of colo clerical forests. nial attitudes th at change form but never seem togo away. The interruption of aboriginal fire management also With this in mind, perhaps you could begin by briefly describ had another outcome. Since the nineteenth century, ing how Australian landscapes have been transformed by massive bush fires have occurred in Australia, sorne of the processes of colonisation that disrupted aboriginal which have been truly devastating. The image of sett societies and the ir traditional fire management regimes. Iers fleeing the notorious 'Black Thursday' fire that occurred in the 1800s has been immortalized in a • Cet entretien a été réalisé durant la Conférence ML - Examining the history of contact, we can trace renowned oil painting. Another iconic fire is the 'Ash mondiale sur la science changes in the Australian landscape and the accompa Wednesday' fire. These bush fires were of regular (Budapest, du 26 juin au nying shifts in the perception of land by European colo occurrence. During Christmas of 1894, there were 1er juillet 1999). Voir aussi nists. Demographers, basing their work on the histo massive fires outside of New South Wales. The 1894 dans ce même numéro le rical record, have recently calculated that in 1788 the fires burned out almost the entire area of the present compte-rendu de la session • La science et les autres aboriginal population of Australia would have been at day Royal National Park south of Sydney. systèmes de savoirs " !east one million. This is substantially more than In ali of the areas where the settler relationship with par Marie Roué previous estimates of only three hundred thousand the environment has become supreme, ali fire is NSS. 2000. vol. 8, no 1. 50-56 1 © 2000 Éditions scientifiques et médicales Elsevier SAS. Tous droits réservés who see forested areas as an idyllic habitat, build their houses in forests with insufficient tire breaks because they think that this practice is environmentally dam aging. Within a ten-year period they are sitting in the middle of a tinderbox. lnevitably, they will be the victims of a bush tire. These bush tires are pretty much uncontrollable. Bush tire brigades can go in and protect people and property to an extent. However, you basically have to wait for rain or for the wind to change direction or for the tire to burn out of its own accord. These tires can be atomic in proportion. We have witnessed this same phenomenon in more recent decades in the desert. Here, aboriginal people have been moved off their ancestral lands and An aboriginal woman and trained anthropologist, into settlements only since the 1950s. Without Professor Marcia Langton is the Director of the aboriginal people burning the desert, however, Centre for lndigenous Natural and Cultural Spinifex - a low prickly bush that is full of highly flam Resource Management, Northern Territory mable adhesive gum - spreads quickly, providing University, where she also holds the Ranger Chair ample fuel for devastating tires. There have been at of the Faculty of Aboriginal and Torres Strait least two of which 1 know. ln the 1970s, twenty years lslander Studies. She has more than 28 years of after the aboriginal peoples were removed, an atomic experience in Aboriginal Affairs. tire burned out hundreds of thousands of hectares in Professor Langton has published widely on the central desert. contemporary social issues in Aboriginal Affairs, CSIRO (Commonwealth Scientific and lndustrial including land, resource and social impact Research Organization) has now begun to satellite concerns, as weil as reports to the Royal map the desert. They have begun to replicate tradi Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody and tional aboriginal burning patterns by using aerial tire to Aboriginal Land Councils. ln 1993, Marcia bombing in order to create a fire-induced habitat Langton was awarded an AM (General Member of mosaic. Also they are constantly monitoring the the Order of Australia) for services to anthropology desert to ensure that there are no more Spinifex wild and the advocacy of Aboriginal Rights. tires which basically destroy the pockets of non spinifex areas that small mammal populations in the desert depend upon. There is still a lot more work and research to be done. The Uluru and Kakadu plans of REFERENCES management state very clearly that research on tradi tional burning is to be commissioned in that area. The Langton, M. 1989. Aboriginal Australia, in : UNESCO Review Australia, emerging information on traditional practices are No.17, November, 15-19. supplementing the CSIRO-designed tire plan and that Langton, M. 1993. Weill saw il on the radio and 1heard il on the television ... : is a project in progress. an essay for the Australian Film Commission on the politics of film ln the wet-dry tropics, the monsoon areas, we making by and about aboriginal people and things, Australian Film know much more because of excellent research. lt is Commission, Sydney, 75-80. the converging evidence from research by Russel Langton, M. 1995. What do we mean by the term wildemess?, Reconciling Australia, ABC Radio, Sydney. Smith (1996), a very interesting multi-disciplinary team including traditional owners, by David Bowman (forth Langton, M. 1996. Art, Wilderness and Terra Nullius, ln : Sultan et al, Ecopolitics IX Conference; Perspedives on lndigenous Peoples coming), Chaloupka (1993), Peter Whitehead and Management of the Environment Resources, Darwin 1995. many others, including the commonwealth agency Northern Land Council, Darwin. which manages the Kakadu National Park, that is now Langton, M. 1997. Estate of Mind: the growing cooperation between indige· leading to the explicit recognition that aboriginal nous and mainstream managers of north Australian landscapes and the burning regimes are an essential part of the preserva challenge for educators and researchers, in : Northern Analyst, the tion of biodiversity. This growing recognition