LOK SABHA DEBATES (English Version)

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[Ninth Series, Vol. IV, Second Session, 199011912 (Saka)]

No. 30, Wednesday, April, 25,1990/ Vaisakha 5,1912 (Saka)

CoLUMNS

Oral Answers to Questions 1-27

*Starred Question Nos. 594, 597, 598, 1-25 599 and 600

Written Answers to Questions : 27-468

Starred Question Nos. 595,601,602, 604 to 27-41 614

Unstarred Question Nos 6383 to 6390, 6392 to 6413, 41-447 64 f5 to 6421, 6423 to 6430 6432, 6434 to 6442, 6444 to 6458.6460,6462 to 6464, 6466 to 6474, 6476 to 6488, 6490 to 6525, 6527 to 6529, 6531 to 6568, 6570 to 6598, 6600 to 6618

Papers Laid on the Table 469-471

Committee on Pnvate Members' 8"ls and 472 Resolutlons-

Third Report-presented

Committee on Papers Laid on the Table 472

(I) Second Report-presented

(II) Minutes Relating Second Report-Laid

*The Sign + marked above the name of a Member Indicates that the qllestlon was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. (ii)

CoLUMNS

Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public 47~6 Importance

Alleged violation·of Foreign Exchange Regulation Act and various tax laws by the Express Group of Companies

Shri Harish Rawat 473 509-510 513-517

Prof Madhu Dandavate 473-508 510-513 527-536

Shri P.R. Kumaramangalam 517-521

Shri Vasan! Sathe 521-526

Business Advisory Committee 536-540 Eighth Report-Adopted

Matters Under Rule 377 540-545

(i) Need to provide adequate facilities 540-541 to the farmers for cultivating their land particularly in Kanpur, Fatehpur, Banda. Jalaun Etawah. Hamlrpur etc. Districts of Uttar Pradesh

Shri Keshari Lal

(ii) Need to set up Commrttees In each Nehru 541-542 Yuva Kendra for proper functioning of these Kendras in the country

Dr. Asim Bala

(iii) Need to drop the proposal of setting up of 542 cooperative sugar factory at Dadra and Nagar Haveli

Shri Mohanbhai Sanjibhai Oelkar (III)

CoLUMNS

(IV) Need to take steps for proper functlontng 542--543 of T V transmitters In Arunachal Pradesh

Shn laeta Umbrey

(v) Need for early completion of Darbhanga-Forbe~ganJ 543 lateral road

Shn Devendra Prasad Yadav

(VI) Need to pay compensallon to the persor:ls 543-544 whose crops have been dal"1aged In fire In BhoJPur dlstnct In Bihar

Shn Tej Narayan Singh

(VIII) Need to provIde finance for the proposed 544-545 medical and engineering colleges In Bareilly, Uttar Pradesh .n the forthcoming plan

Shn Santosh Kumar Gangwar

Demands for Grants (General) 1990-91 545-592

Ministry of Home Aficms

Shn ManoranJan Bhakata 545-551

Shn Krrpal Singh 551-560

Shn Tant Baran Topdar 564-567

Shn K D Sultan PUrl 567-570

Shnmatl Jayawantl Navrnchandra Mehta 570-572

Shn PIYus Tlraky 572-573

Shn Dharam Pal Sharma 574-576

Shn Kapil Dev Shastri 576-.?78

Shn Jagpal SlOgh 578-581

Shn Kankar Munlare 58~92 (iv)

CoLUMNS

Demands for Grants (General). 1990-91 611--626 Ministry of Home Affairs

and

Discussions Under Rule 193 592--611 Communal Situation in the country

Shri Mufti Mohammad Sayeed 59.::!--611

Discussion Under Rule 193 627-680 Atrocities on Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes

Prof. Vijay Kumar Malhotra 627--634

Shn Di!eep Singh Shuria 634-640

Shn Het Ram 640-644

Kuman Mayawatl 645-649

Shri R.N. Rakesh 650-657

Shn Resham Lal Jangde 657-662

Shn Saqu Prasad Saroj 662-665

Shn Sukhendu Khan 665-669

Shn Piyus Tlraky 669-671

Shrimatl V,dya Chennupati 671--675

Shrl Chhedi Paswan 676-67~ LOK SABHA DEBATES

LOK SABHA disbursal of funds tor the Sardar Sarovar ProJect, and

(d) If so, what steps Government have Wednesday. Apnl25 1990 'Valsakha 5, taken to rehabilitate 90000 people whose 1912 (Saka) land and homes have submerged?

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OFWATER RESOURCES (SHRI MANUBI-iAI KOTADIA) (a) Some voluntary The Lok Sabha met atThree mm:;tes past agencies have made representations to the Eleven of the Clock World Bank on reha_bllttd(lon and resettlement Issues relatl"g to Sardar Sarovar Proj- [MR SPE=AKER In the era/r} ect

ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS (b) and (c) No, Sir

[Fnglit:h] (d) The three concerned States of GUJarat, Maharashtra and Madhya Pradesh World Bank team for Sardar sarovar have announced theIr rehabilitation and Project resettlement poliCies In the light of these, a rehabilitation programme IS under Imple- menta~lon In keeping with constructIon sched- '594 SHRI HARI BHAU SHANKAR ule of tre Project However, no Village has rAAHALE submerged uptil now SHRI RAM BAHADUR SINel1 [ Trans/atlon]

Will the MllIlster at WATER RE- SHRI HARIBHAU SHANKAR MAHALE SOURCES be pleased to stD1p Mr Speaker. Sir, I would like to know wheti''' "r It IS a fact that several complaints have b~ n (a) whether a voluntary agency has received with regard to rehabilitatIon of the complained to the World Bank authol'tles people affected by the Sardar Sarovar Proj- against Sardar Sarovar Project authorities ect due to whIch the World Bank has stopped not fulfilling the conditions about relief and disbursal of further funds for the Project rehabilitation of G ?0lacpd perSl'ns Secondly. I would like to kF10W from the han Minister the nu,nber of Villages and acres of (b) whether the World Bank has sent a land lIkely to be subrlerged each In GUJarat. team to investIgate Into thesE> complaints. Maharashtra and'Madhya Pradesh and steps taken or to be taken to rehabilitate them and (c) whetner en the advice of the World the time by which they are likely to be reha- Bank team the World Bank has stopped bllrtated? 3 Oral Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Oral Answ91S 4

[English] Regarding Maharashtra, the first submergence will be in five vDlages in 1992-93. SHRI MANUBJ-:tAI KOTADIA: First of The names of the villages are Dhankhedi, all, let me clarify that the World Bank has not Danai, Mukhadi, Mandavan and Paula. Their nominated any team to investigate regard- resettlement is linked with clearance of about ing the complaints made sofar.1 will produce 2700 ha. of forest land for resettlement by one letter issued from the World Bank dated the Ministry of Environment and Forests, the 20th April, 1990. They say: Government of India.

"No bank team has been sent specifi- [ Trans/ation] cally to investigate these complaints. The complaints are kept in view by the The consultations are going on with that bank's supervision teams that visrt the department and it is hoped that land would Projects regularly." be released very soon and with that problems would be solved. So, what I mean to say is that no team has visited as far as the Sardar Sarovar [English] Project is concerned. It IS not only that. There is a letter received from the World Bank. The Safar as Madhya Pradesh is concerned, letter was written on 13th December 1989 out of the 193 villages getting affected due to and that letter says: submergence of Sardar Sarovar Project, only one village Jalsindhi is going under "We are particularly satisfied with the submergence in 1992 and another .15 vil- progress being made in Resettlement lages in 1994. and Rehabilitation in Gujarat. Their achievements in land allotment to the [ Trans/ation] oustees are especially noteworthy. No more village would be submerged. [ Translation] Moreover with the onset of monsoon some villages may be submerged. In orderto meet Mr. Speaker, Sir, It appears that there is the situation a scheme has been chalked no complaint on the part of the World Bank out. and the complaints are one sided. The World Bank has not put any obstacle. Now I would SHRI HARIBHAU SHANKAR MAHALE: like to tell you about the programme chalked The forest land under possession of some out in Gujarat. persons during the period from 1972 to 78 has not yet been mutated by the Revenue [English] Department in their names. Will the Govern- ment give compensation to them for th is land also? Sale and purchase of such land have First two villages VIZ. Mokhadi and not taken place so far except in Gujarat Dhumna may be temporarily submerged in where such land has been sold at cheaper the 1991-92. One in hundred years. 0 for rates. In Gujarat, a movement is also to be Dhumna, all the 28 families gOing to be started on 20th Mayan this issue. Will the affected have selected the agricultural land Government announce compensation to and 21 families have been agricu~uralland them for such land as per the price of land after documentation. Regarding Mokhem, prevailing well before their protest move- 116 families have selected the land and 111 ment is launched? have been allotted the agricultural land after documentation. The remaining families from [English] Mokhadi are under process of selecting the sites. SHRI MANUBHAJ KOTADIA: Sir, sofar 5 Oral Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Oral AnsW91S 6 as encroachment IS concerned, let me sub- ever, some of the schemes of rehabllitatton mit that every encroacr.er who had en- submitted by the Madhya Pradesh Gove.m- croached before 31 st March, 1979 shall be ment have been Included In the schemes ehglble to get two heptares of land prepared by us Every affected person would be gIVen at least two acres of agricultural [ TranslatIon] land and 540 square yards of land for a house bUilding Thus they will be provided help under thiS poltcy. In addrtton to It, they will be given SHRI DllEEP SINGH BHURIA. Mr compensation under the prescnbed policy Speaker, Sir, hen MInister halls from GUJarat, and formula so I would like to apprise him that all the land to be submerged In Madhya Pradesh IS very SHRI HARIBHAU SHANKARMAHALE fertile land and crops are raised on them Mr Speaker, Sir, their formula In thiS regard whereas uneven land IS being gIven to farm- IS totally faulty Nothing IS to be provided as ers In heu thereof Therefore, there IS much compensatIon to the people of GUJarat May resentment among them and Saba Amte IS I know whether the Government would grant sitting on dharna at the construction sIte near them compensatIon as per theIr demand a place called Jalslndhl Land to be submerged belongs to tribal people and mone- SHRI MANUSHAI KOTADIA In all 279 tary compensation may not serve the pur- families In Maharashtra have been affected pose They came to Deihl on 17th of th,s and In GUjarat numberot such famIlIes IS not month In hope of redressal of their griev- more than 150 and their cases have already ances on the behest of some leaders as they been settled are so Simple and credulous that they are eaSIly swayed by the leaders 10 go anywhere SHRI PYARELAL KHANDELWAL For or to meet anyone for redressal of theIr the Past some time, there has been sharp gnevances but they are feeling a lot of diffi- reaction In respect of the Sardar Sarovar culties here I would hke to know from the Project While some people are vehemently hon Minister whether the Government pro- opposIng It, some are lendIng their support pose to lower the height of Sardar Sarovar to It In Madhya Pradesh, people are can Dam to save fertile land likely to be sub- eerned because as many as 193 vIllages of merged or allot fertile land In lieu of their Madhya Pradesh are likely to be submerged submerged land? I want a specifiC reply from due to thiS project I would lIke to know the hon Minister whether there IS any proposal under consideration of the Governmen+ to rehabilitate the SHRI MANUBHAI KOTADIA First of people of those Villages Secondly I would all I would like to make It clear that land IS a like to know as to how much land '"las been first reqUlsrte for ImplementatIon of any pro] earmarked for alioTmert by the GtJjarat ect be It a dam or a bUilding There has Deen Government to the oustees and the prog Instance:D In our country In whIch as much as ress made In develop,ng such land? I would 25% of total land to be Irrigated has been also like to know whether any letter has been SUbmerged for providing Irrigation faCIlity to written by the Madhya Pradesh Government 1 lakh hectare 01 land to the Central Government to reVIew all these matters and If'so reaction Of the SHRI DILEEP SINGH BHURIA I know Government thereon? It but I would hke to know your proposal for rehabrtttation SHRI MANUBHAI KOTADIA I would like to reply the second part of the questIon of the han Member I would l,ke to tell him SHRI MANUBHAI KOTADIA The that no such letter has been receIved by us Madhya Pradesh Government has also for- from Madhya Pradesh Government How- mulated scheme for thiS and deCIded to allot 7 Oral Answers APRil 25, 1990 Oral Answers 8 two hectares of fertile land to each affected [English] person. Flood Control Schemes In Orissa SHRI HARIN PATHAK: Mr. Speaker, Sir, the entire House knows that Gujarat has *597. SHRI GOPINATH GAJAPATHI: been facing drought for the last 4 to 5 years. Will the Minister of WATER RESOURCES There is acute shortage of water for irrigation be pleased to state: as well as drinking purposes in the State. I would like to know whether Government (a) the flood control schemes launched wants to complete the Narmada and Sardar in Orissa, which are to be spilled over to the Sarovar Project which are life line and indis- Eighth Five Year Plan due to inadequate pensable for the development of GUjarat, funds; Madhya P.radesh and Maharashtra within the stipulated penod? {b) the amount proposed to be provided duri~ 1990-91 for implementing those [English] schemes;

SHRI MANUBHAI KOTADIA: SIr, I (c) whether some new flood control appreciate their feelings but the Implemen- schemes are proposed to be implemented in tation part is wIth the State Government. Orissa during the Eighth Five Year Plan; and

[ Translation] (d) if 50, the details thereof?

We have also advised the state Govern- THE MINISTER OF STATE in THE ment to proceed with Its implementation MINISTRYOFWATERRESOURCES(SHRI according to schedule decided by them. MANUBHAI KOTADIA): (a) and (b). The Working Group has recommended an outlay [English] of Rs. 4.15 crores during 1990-9.1 forthe on- gOIng Flood Management Schemes of the PROF. RAM GANESH KAPSE: There Seventh Plan in the Subarnarekha, Baitarani. was an agreement entered into among the Brahmani, Vamsdhara. Mahanadi and Bur- Government of India, the World Bank and habalang river basins of Orissa having the the Governmenta of Maharashtra. Guiarat spill-over cost of about Rs. 12.21 crores. and Madhya Pradesh. Was there a condition that after the project IS comolete. after the (c) and (d). Eighth Five Year Plan has resettlement. the life-style Will become bet- not been finalised. ter or will remain equivalent, that IS prior to the resettlement? I would like to know whether SHRIGOPINATHGAJAPATHI: I would that condition WIll be fulfilled. like to ask the han. Minister through you whether according to the Working Group's SHRI MANUBHAI KOTADIA: In the past recommendations, as against. the spill over also I have assured the hen. House that the cost of the 7th plan of Rs. 12.21 crores only condition will be fulfilled. Rs. 4.12 crores have been sanctioned for the current year. This is just about one-third of [ Translation] ilie cost and is considered, grossly inadequate. Will the hon. Minister explain whether SHRI HARIN PATHAK: ThiS needs halt- there is a proposal to enhance this quantum an-hour discussion. of aid, in view of the tremendous devastation caused by the floods in the State of Orissa in the past years? MR. SPEAKER: If you give notice for n, J shall examine it. SHRI MANUBHAI KOTADlA: Sir, the 9 Oral Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Oral Answers 10

Working Group has recom mended an outlay the devastation IS much more than ex- of Rs. 4 15 crores dUring 1990-91. I have pected-m some States-where the State already said that. We know that thiS flood concerned goes almost to a very difficult control and Irrigation measure IS mainly to be position and the State may not be able to attributed to the State Government . The prOVide funds, I would like to know whether State Government has to provide thiS money the Central Government Will take up the from their own resources, from their own schemes so as to save the State Govern- Plan. Naturally, we should say that-looking ment from that position at the State Government s resources-this IS only the amount which can be provided [ Translation]

SHRI GOPINATH GAJAPATHI Sir, SHRI MANUBHAI KOTADIA: Sir, as I since there seems to be the unending mal- said flood control work IS the responsibility of ady of paucity of funds from the Central the State Government and the State Gov- Government sources dces the Government ernment can ask for funds In that case, actively consider approachIng the World Bank Central assistance can be given to them for loan for fundIng these flood relief schemes throughout the country? [English]

[ Translation] SHRI LOKANATH CHOUDHURY· Sir, my question was that.. SHRI MANUBHAI KOTADIA- Mr Speaker, Sir, the State Government IS sup- MR. SPEAKER: It IS clear. posed to send a request to the Centre to thiS effect If such a request IS received, we shall SHRllOKANATH CHOUDHURY: No. definitely process It and consider what can It IS not clear, SIr. I asked whether the State be done Government has asked for funds.

[English] [ Translation]

SHRI V KRISHNA RAO I would Irke to MR SPEAKER. The hon. Member know whether the Information that In Kama- wants to know whether the State Govern- taka, the funds which were given rn the years ment has asked for funds 1988 and 1989 SHRI MAN UBHAI KOTADIA. The State MR SPEAKER It requires a. separate Government has not asked for any such notice ThiS pertains to a particular State- funds from the Centre Orrssa [Eng/tsh] SHRI V KRISHNA RAO Sir. the State IS different. but thiS IS also regarding flood SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATTERJEE: rehef work Sir, there IS a great deal of controversy now- a-days about the Sardar Sarovar Project MR SPEAKER But It requires a special and other such flood control measures. Now, notice, Mr Rao plenty of them had been returned, In favour and against. Now, the arguments have been SHRI lOKANATH CHOUDHUR~ I marshalled on both sides also. It IS tlme--In want to know from the Minister, for the year order to enlighten the public and also the 1990-91, how much money the Orissa convince us-that a White Paper be ISSUed Government asked for from the Central on the Issues about the height of the Dam, to Government for flood rehef measures. The total amount of compensation that has to be second part of my questIon IS thiS. In case, If given to the displaced people. All these 11 Oral Answers APRIL 25. 1990 Oral AnSMHS 12 should be put in a White Paper. Does the Government of Uttar Pradesh, based on Minister agree to have a White Paper on sample verifications of family planning ac- such things? ceptors in the State, 180 cases of Vasec- tomy were found fake during the last two SHAt MANUBHAt KOTADIA: He is years i.e. 1988-89 and 1989-90. These per- putting a question regarding Sardar Sarovar sons are reported to have denied having Project which is already over. availed of services. A statement giving district-wise list of these cases is' given in the [ Translat;on] Annexure. As and when fake cases come to notice, the State Government gets these Fake cases of Vasectomy investigated with a view to fix the responsibility on cOncerned officers/officials, whereaf- *598. SHRISANTOSHKUMARGANG- ter action by way of recording adverse en- WAR: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND tries in the Annual Confidential Reports, FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state: stopping of annual increments, non-clearance of efficiency ba~, etc. is initiated. Out (a) whether cases of fake vasectomy in of. the 180 fake cases of vasectomy reported some oistricts of Uttar Pradesh have come from Uttar Pradesh, in 18 cases the Chief into light during last two years: Medical Officers have been instructed to recover the amounts spent from concerned (b) if so, the district-wise number of such Officers and also record adverse entries in cases and the action being taken in regard their Annual Confidential Reports. tn an- thereto; other 15 cases, the officials-have been trant- ferred and responsibilities are being fixed (c) whether a policy is being pursued up. In lhe remaining cases, action to fix the which contains the provisions that if any responsibili1y is under progress. Family health employee does not take active partici- Welfare Programme in India is being pro- pation In the program mes of family planning, moted on purely voluntary basis in keeping he would be punIshed: and wrth the democratic traditions of the country. The programmes follows a cafeteria ap- (d) if so, the details thereof? proach offering various family planning methods and rt is left to the acceptors to ['=nglish] chose the method best suited to their requirements. However, the Health employees who implement the Family Welfare THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Pragramme are expected to achieve targets MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY allocated to them from time to time. In order WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): to 9 iva a sense of urgency and importance to (a) to (d). A statement is laId on the Table of the achievement of family planning targets, the Sabha. S·tate Governments are adopting various appropriate strategies/steps. These include STATEMENT an element of punishment in some States in situations where the performance levels are Asperthe Information received from the dismally low compared to prescribed levels.

District-wise list of fake cases in u.P. during 1988-89 and 1989-90

51. No. Name of District No.

2 3

Bahraich 5

2 Azamgarh 2 13 Orsl Answers VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (5AKA) Oral Answers 14

51. No. Name of Dlstrtct No.

2 3

3 Banda

4 Dehradun

5 Saharanpur 2

6 Gorakhpur 6

7 Bastl 2

8 Ahgarh 81

9 Barellly

10 ShaJahanpur 3

11 Barabankl

12 Farukhabad 5

13 Badaun 3

14 Ptltbhtt 3

15 Kanpur (Dehat)

16 Unnao

17 Matnpurr

18 Pratapgarh

19 Mathura 2

20 Jaunp'JI 24

21 Btjner 15

22 Deona 15

23 Allahabad 4

Total 180 15 Oral Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Oral Answers 16

SHRI SANTOSH KUMAR GANGWAR: tion and if so what steps are being taken in Mr. Speaker, Sir, my question is very impor- this direction? tant. The statistics with me are quite different from the statistics furnished by the han. SHRI RASHEED MASOOD: This is not Minister in his reply. It seems to me that the the policy of the Government . This is a present Government has got these statistics sensitive issue and the Government has no from the previous Government. I have got intention of introducing compulsory family the statistics pertaining to 1985-86, 1986-87 planning. We hope to popularize family plan- and 1987-88. During these years a survey ning by giving more incentives to the people. was conducted and 10% of the cases were found to be lorged. It is amusing to rate that [English] during the last two years, regarding which I have sought details, 180 cases of Vasec- SHRI Y.S. RAJASEKHAR REDDY: Sir, tomy were found fake. And in 10% of these a foolproof method has to be established so cases the Chief Medical Officers have been that fake case- are avoided. It is urgently instructed to recover the amou nts spent from required. Something like identity cards or concerned Officers what further amuses me passports can be created for all the citizens. is that during the lasttwo years only one fake It may also happen to be a civil supplies card case was found in Bareilly which IS my con- to get ration shop commodities and also a stituency. If the hon. Minister says I can bring pass book wh ich denotes the amou nt of land 100 such cases to hiS notice. Fake cases which one has so that credit facilities can can be invented by paying Rs. 400 or Rs. also be availed of through the same book 500. Will the hon. Minister get the details laid from the bank. Some sort of a foolproof by him on the Table of the House're-investi- method has got to be created in this regard. gated. There is no doubt about it. Can I bring to the notice of the hon. Minister the disparities that SHRI RASHEED MASOOD: I can under- are being shown towards the Governme"t stand the concern expressed by the hon. officers like lAS officers and other Govern- Member I have presented the statistics which ment servants like chowkidars, when they were given to me. We have seen them get the family planning operation done, may according to the complaints received by us. be tubectomy or vasectomy? The benefits I have made an addition. in the 'proforma' of that are being achieved by way of family our Ministry. This proforma shows that In a planning operation by these two categories particular locality 50% of the cases have not differ. Depending upon the States, an ordi- been traced. I have suggested that a column nary Government servant such as chowkidar 'person does not exist' should be added. gets one or two advanced increments if he How can there be a case if the person does gets the family planning operation done. In not even exist? As to the concern expressed States like UP, two advanced increments by the hon, member, we shall try to ensure are given to that person. In that case, the that the funds sanctioner! forthe purpose are cumulative effect in the course of their entire utilized properly. If the han. Member can service will accrue to As. 25,000 to Rs. point out any specific case we shall investi- 30,000. Will the hon. Minister consider giv- gate the same. ing at least Rs. 10,000 as benefit to those who undergo family planning operation? I also suggest that social benefits like hous- SHRI SANTOSH KUMAR GANGWAR: ing, bank loans :md other subsidies can be I am quite satisfied With the hon. Ministers linked up with this programme. reply ..ff the Central Government conducts an investigation, more than 60% of the cases SHRI RASHEED MASOOD: In fact, the will be found fake. Is the Govelnment think- suggestions put forward by the hon. Member ing in the direction of compulsory family are very good and we will consider them and planning considering the growth of popula- inform the -hon. Member about 1hem. 17 Oral Answers VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Oral Answers 18

SHAI RAM CHANDRA DOME Imtlally, taken to check this practice. we saw that the majority of the acceptors of the family planning operations done In our SHRI RASHEED MASOOD: Sir, actu- country were male partners But now the ally the angInal question relates to Uttar trend IS decllmng May I know from the hon Pradesh ThiS problem eXists elsewhere also Mmlster the exact percentage of the male and If the han member gIves In writing then partn&rs of acceptors In the family planning we Will get the inqUiry conducted and take operatIons? May I know as to whether or not appropnate action the Government IS thinking of any promotional and motIvational programme of family [Fngflsh] planmng operation to the mr.tle partners of acceptors of target couples? DR ASIM BAlA As we know, literacy percentc-ge In the rural areas IS not more SHRI RASHEED MASOOD ThIS sup- than 20-30 per cent, and seventy per cent plementary question does not anse out at people there are Illiterates Will the Govern- the main question and therefore a separate ment conSIder of InvestIng more funds on notice IS requIred education Instead of family planing programmes so that the people come to know SHRI RAJVETR SINGH &r targets through education the advantages of family are set In various Departments In respect of plannIng and adopt such methods automati- vasectomy cases If these targets are not cally Will the Government conSider dIvert- achieved the Governmert e'11ployees are Ing the funds for educatIon for the rural not giver theIr c.,)Ir'Ules and they are not people? promoted So compulsory vasectomIes are resorted to for the achievement at these SHRI RASHEED MASOOD There IS targets Th,s IS an extremely serious Situ no Question of diverSIon of funds but we WIll allan wherein peoole are coercpd Into under- conSider the hon Member's suggestIon gOing a vasectornv operatl'J'l What hs the Governmtnt to say In thiS m3tter? SHRI B SHANKARANAND At present we are 800 mIllion people and they turn of the Another thing IS that evert aft81 the century, I do not know, what Will be the vasectomy has been done and a certificate population In thiS country There may be a to that effect IS t':;c;ued by a doctor bIrths are thousand million people Any programme taking place May' know the Government s whICh contains an element of compulSion stand In thIS regara t necessarily invites resistance on the part of the people who are Implementing It as also SHRI RASHEED MASOOD As far as the general publIC I want to know trom the thiS poInt raised by the hon Member IS han MinIster who IS answering hIS malden concerner. the Cent,al GOJelrmpnt has r.o question here whether the Government IS provIsIon rpgardlng rLJIl'sh,flq the employ- thlnkmg-because I know, I was the autl10r of ees who fat! to ach leve t'le set t3rgets If such the Health Polrcy document of th,s country thrngs have happ8ned :n ~t3tas necessary and the populatIon control was given the first Instructions wlil bl:! 's"'Jf>d to the State Gov prrorlty-to carry out the programme on emmentc; voluntary baSIS absolutely removing com- pulSion part of 11 Are you gOIng to make It a SHRI ARVltJD NETAM Sir In respect peoples programme rather than making It a of the targets fixed for vac;ectomy, when the Government programme and give Impor- advanced districts are not able to meet theIr tance to the voluntary part of It? target the target IS shIfted to trrb;ll areas Thus thetnbaldlstncts ha"E; to achIeve double SHRI RASHEED MASOOD We Will targets Has the CentrE' I',su ..... a any dIrec- give top Priority to voluntary organizations In tives In th,s regard "1nd If not w II s'eps he the programme 19 Oral Answers APRtl25,1990 Oral AnsWIS 20

[ Translation] (c) The Food Corporation of India alongwith the State Governments and SHRI KALKADAS: Mr. Speaker Sir, the their agencies undertake purchase of grains han. Minister has stated that educative at the support prices declared by the Gov- measures would be taken to achieve family ernment. Purchase Centres are opened, planning targets. I would like to know the wherever necessary, in order to provide price targets set for family planning and the edu- support to the farmers. cative measures planned to be taken to achieve them. [ Translation]

SHRI RASHEED MASOOD: Sir, by the SHRI DEVENDRA PRASAD YADAV: endof~hiscenturywewanttobringthetarget MI'. Speaker, Sir, the han. Minister's reply is to 1.2%. At present it is 2.04%. We want to not only unsatisfadory, but ambiguous as adopt an educative policy for this purpose. well. The hon. Minister has said very vaguely This should be given wider publicity because that the Fooo Corporation of India alongwith It IS important tor every Individual in this State Government agencies purchases country. FamIly plann.ng must be adopted in grains at the support prices announced by some way or the other if we are to survive the Government and procurement centres and if our chIldren are to enjoy better health. are opened, wherever necessary. Due to the We will also seek the voluntary services of non-availability of wholesale markets and in school teachers. They too can enlighten the absence of any arrangements made by people In this regard. As far as publicity F.C.!" big traders and hoarders are exploit- measures are concerned, we are uSing the Ing the farmers to the maximum by buying meQia of radiO and T. V. to Involve the gen- their raw-produce at cheap rates. I want to eral public. know whether the Government is aware of this and whether any criteria has been fixed Remunerative price to farmers for opening procurement centres in any district? *599. SHRI DEVENDRA PRASAD YADAV: Will the Minister of FOOD AND SHRI NA THU RAM MIRDHA: The CIVIL SUPPLIES be pleased to state: Government has not received any complaint from either the people of Bihar or from the (a) whether Government are aware that Government of Bihar regarding non-open- tarmers are not get1ing remuneratIve sup- ing of procurement centres or non-purchase port price for their produce Ir Bihar due to of foodgrains. Even now, the price of wheat middlemen in these 'mandls': in Bihar is Rs. 260 per quintal and the minimum support price has been fixed at Rs. 215 (b) if so. the action taken thereon; per qumtal. The F.e.1. proposes to open seven centres while the State Government (c) the steps taken by Government to is setting up 62 centres. These centres are prOVIde remblneratlve. support price to these I*ely to be opened soon, but at the moment. farmers in these 'mand,s'? the market price IS quite high and whenever a need for purchasing arises, we would enter [English] the market.

SHRI DEVENDRA PRASAD YADAV: THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL Will the hon. Minister kindly name one such SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): centre opened by the Government in Bihar I.a) and (b). Government of India have n01 under the scheme to open new centres in I eceived any report of distress sale of grains order to provide support price to farmers? conforming to specifications at pnces lower ~han the support prices fixed In Bihar SHR1 NATHU RAM MtRDHA: I am 1ell- 21 Oral Answers VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Oral Answel3 22 ing you that we are fully geared to open such the main question. I shaH reply to it, if he centres. Earlier also, many centres were gives a separate notice for it. Another infor- opened. The centres recenUy set up by the mation that I would like to give is that earlier F.C.I. are at Gaya. Arrah, Buxar, Chakiya, the Government had decided that NAFED Chanpatiya, Muzaffarpur and Gulab Bagh. would procure coarse grain, but now the Let me tell you about the resuhs also. The F.C.1. has made arrangements to procure centres which were opened during 1985-86 Kharif crops like paddy, bajra, _iowar, ragi etc. procured 25.000 tonnes of nce and 4,00 The procurement of these crops would be toAnes of wheat. During 1986-87 and 1987- announced in due course of time and the 88, no purchases were made, as tfle, market F.C.I. would come forward for their procure- prices were high and no farme(was willing to ment. In the past, NAFED did not have the sell these two foodgrains to State Govern- capacity to store the crops it bought at the ment agencies at the minimum support pnce floor prices, but the F.C.I. has enough ca- announced by the Food Corporation of In- pacity to store these crops. dia. During 1988-89, 14,000 tonnes of rice was purchased, but no wheat was purchased. SHRI VASANT SATHE: The han. Min- During 1989-90. nerther wheat nor rice were ister has missed my question. I had said that procured. but this year we are geared up to lakhs of F.C.I. employees protect all the make procurements. At present, the FC.I. foodgrains purchased and stored by this has got seven centres. , have no difficulty in agency, but due to the fact that those em- opening new centres. If the hon. Members ployees are being engaged on a contractual from Bihar find that the farmers there are service- through contractors, they (the em- getting less than Rs. 215 per quintal an- ployees) have not been able to provide the nounced by the Government, then I shall required protection to the stocks. order opening of more F.C.1. procurement centres. We would not allow the farmers to SHAI NATHU RAM MIRDHA: Mr. suffer the loss of even a Single paisa. Speaker, Sir, this question is not related to the main question. Four types of labour are SHAI VASANT SATHE. It is true that there in F.C.1. and they have different er.tltle- the Government IS giVing a fair pnce to the ments also. Many workers, who are under farmers and It IS also increaSing the support the Contract Labour System would like to be prices, so that the farmers may get remu- engaged direct under the Mate System. thiS nerative pnces tor their produce. The objec- is a gradual process. We have got four tive IS that the F.e.l. should purchase the systems, out of which one is Departmental produce of the farmers. if they did not get System and the other IS Mate System. We rem uneratlve prrces in the open market. Sir, have been engagIOg people under these just now, the hon. Minister has said that why systems provided that at the time of such a farmer should sell his produce to the F. C.!., engagements, no disturbance IS created. as if he isgetting remunerative prrce in the open is the usual practice. I would like to curb it market itself? I would like to state that loss IS and I am very cautious in making thiS system being incurred in terms of under utilisation of effective. I am hopeful that within a few days. the Godown space available WIth the F.C'!. you would be satisfied With the work done. Therefore. I would like to know whether the Government would remove the middlemen [Eng/ish) because the poor employees of the F.C.I. are getting exploited at the hands of the SHRI KADAMBUA M.R. JANARDHA- contractors? ThiS complaint has come from NAN: The essence of the question IS that the those employees. Please te11 us the action Mandi people are making huge profits, out of you propose to take In this regard? the ·farmers. The farmers are Iosil"'g. The Mandis never lose. They get regular com- SHAI NATHU RAM MIRDHA: Mr. mission and some percentage for each grind- Speaker, Sir, this question IS not related to ing. Will the Government come forward and 23 Oral Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Oral Answ91S 24 fix the commission rates at a reduced rate to what should be the remunerative support which will not affect the farmers, and will price for Kharif crops and what should be the ensure that the Mandis do not exploit the remunerative support price for Aabi crops. farmers and make huge profits? That is the Earlier, the Agricultural Prices Commission essence of the questIOn. The Minister has used to determine the support prices by accepted that it is not sold below the support adopting certain methodology but after this prICe. Of course, the market price is always Government assumed office, we decided to above the support price, because you know pay attention to other factor linked with rais- that the minimum support price is always ing of crops by the farmers, at the time of below the market price. Therefore, I want to fixing the remunerative support prices. After know whether Government will come for- much deliberations, we decided to take th ree ward to control the Mandis, so that they do main factors into consideration at the time of nOi exploit the farmers, and ensure that their fixing the remunerative support prices. They percentage of commission is restricted. are ten percent management cost of the farmers and also the wages of his family [ Translation] members, which were never included earlier. Here also, we decided to take into con- SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA: Mr. sideration the minimum wages or the wages Speaker, Sir, wholesale markets (Mandis) prevailing at that time whichever is higher. are a State subject and in each State, the Apart from this, we have accounted for the State Government and the Mandis work in three types of input costs, which were not tandem in the interest of the farmers. Some taken into account earlier. This is the reason charges are levied in the Mandis, which are that we have announced the price for wheat regulated by the State· Governments. The at Rs. 215 per quintal well in advance, t houg h State Governments use that levy for the the crop is yet to arrive in the market. Simi- development of those very Mandis as also larly, we would be announcing the support roads. Therefore, it is necessary for them to prices for mustard seeds and gram also, have resources. if It IS felt that charges are though the time for doing so has not yet high in any particular State, talks could be come. While leaving office, the earlier Gov- held with that State Government. We do not ernment fixed the support price of wheat at have any arrangement to keep a check over Rs. 200 per quintal, whereas earlier they it. used to get only Rs. 183 per quintal. How- ever, the earlier Gov~rnment increased that SHRI SATYNARAYAN JATIYA: Mr. price on a theoretical basis. We felt that even Speaker, Sir, the han. Minrster has said just this price is on the lower side. After much now that the Government announces the deliberation, we have announced As. 215 as support prices which are fixed at the time of the support price even before the season sowing of each crop. Now the question is as and this price is fully in the favour of the to what remunerative support prices are to farmers. Taking into account the earlier hike be given to the farmers, so that they may get of As. 17 and the present increase of Rs. 15, a reasonable price forthelr produce. There is it would mean that the farmer ,!,ould be a difference between support price and getting As. 32 perquintal over and above the remunerative support price. The Govern- earlier price. (Interruptions) Earlier the sup- ment wants the farmerto get a remunerative port price for mustardseed was fixed at Rs. price which should be higher than the cost of 510 per quintal, but now we have raised it to inputs used by him in raising the crop. Rs. 575. Similarly, we have increased the Through you, I would like to know the meas- support price for barely which was very less ures being taken by the Government to earlier. Apart from this, we have increased provide remunerative prices to the farmers? the, support price of gram by As. 90 per quintal. (Interruptions) We have made simi- SHRI NATHU RAM MIADHA: The han. lar increases in the prices of other crops as M~mber has raised a very good question as well. Now we fix the support prices only after 25 Oral Answers VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Oral AnSWltlS 28 taking into. account the expenditure incurred day. The steady increase in air pollution, by the farmers on two-three accounts, which water poUution, etc. has added misery to the is in the larger interests of the farmers. cancer patients. Day before yesterday, the, (1nte"uptions) If you want to know all these han. Minister of Environment, Smt. Maneka things in details, I will explain everything to Gandhi, was referring to the ina-easing you. danger of cancer due to various pollutions. 'f want to know whether the Government is (Eng/ish] aware of the latest researches done in the field of cancer cure in foreign countries Cancer Treatment especially in the United States of America. , also want to know whether any break-through has been achieved in this field. ·600. SHRI. V. KRISHNA RAO: SHRI C.P. MUDALAGIRI- SHRI RASHEED MASOOO: The hon. YAPPA: Member has expressed his concern about the danger of cancer. No doubt, cancer is a Will the Minister of HEAL TH AND very dangerous disease and the number of FAMll Y WELFARE be pleased to state: patients is increasing. Normally, we have to fight back this disease and treat the people (a) whether most of the people who die who are suffering from cancer. We will defi- of cancer succumb not to the pnmary tumour nitely take advantage of the research and we but to Its off-spring elsewhere in the body; would like to provide funds for this research.

(b) whether the SCientists now have a SHAI V. KRISHNA RAO: Will the hen. detailed understanding of how cancer Minister inform the House of the progress spreads to distant sites: and made in this field and achievements of the Indian medical researchers in detecting (c) if so, to what extent thiS mnovatlon serondarytumours in their early stage and in will provide baSIS for new weapons against controlling the development of the secon- secondary tumours? dary tumours? Also, does the Government propose to undertake a jomt research with THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE the US National Cancer Institute, which is MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY dOing pilot work in this regard so that the WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): results could be shared by India for treating (a) People may die of cancer at primary cancer patients? stage also " not treated, Cancer patients havmg secondary spread to other areas SHRI RASHEED MASOOD: Usually, mostly die due to delay In medlCallnterven- cancer is detected in the secondary stage. It tlon, is difficult to detect it in the earty stage. So, during the Eighth Ptan, our emphasis wiD be (b) and (c). Cancer spreads to other fordetecting it in theearty stage and prevent- areas of the body through direct extension, Ing it. As we have already told you, we wUl and through lymphatIc and blood vessels. provide funds for early detection of cancer; Advantage of this knowledge is taken in B'nd in this connection, we have chosen planning the treatment of cancer. All poten- certain districts as project areas, and these tial sites around tHe tumour, Which could areas will be linked with the Cancer Institute harbour tumour cells, are removed by sur- to provide help. gery chemotheraphy or by radiatiOn to mini- mise the chances of spread. SHRI C.P. MUDAlAGIRIYAPPA: The modem technology in this country is limited SHRI V. KRISHNA RAO: The number and inadequate. The peopte, who are suffer- of cancer patients is on the increase day by ing from cancer, are trying for admission in 27 Written Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Written Answets 28 the hospitals. But in the hospitals. there are (a) whether Union Government have not adequate facilities are not available the urged the mills to work overtime to beds are also not available. This technology sugar has not improved so much in this country, ensure sufficient production to eliminate the and we have not made a break-through in possibility of imports this year; this field. In this connection, I would like to know whether the Government is going to (b) if so, the reaction of industry to this establish mobile un~s so that modern technology can be taken to the door-steps of the advice and other incentives offered by Gov- poor. ernment; and

SHRI RASHEED MASooD: As I have already told you, we will choose certain (c) what are the prospects in this re- districts as project areas; and these distric~ gard? will be linked to the Cancer Institute. All the help will be provided to the patients for early THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL detection of cancer and for the treatment of cancer patients. SUPPLIES (SHAI NATHU RAM MIADHA): (a) to (c). The Government have announced [ Translation] incentive schemes for encouraging sugar factories to increase sugar production dur- SHRI RATILAL KAUDAS VERMA: Mr. Speaker, Sir, cancer is a very painful dis- ing the current 1989-90 sugar season. The ease. But in hospitals, cancer patients are sugar production as on 7th April, 1990 ag- admitted and after few days treatment, they gregated to 86. 71akh tonnes as against 77.7 are discharged and left at the mercy of God. lakhs tonnes and 73 lakh tonnes on the Therefore, I would like to ask the hon. Minis- ter whether Government intends to provide corresponding dates in 1988-89 and 1987- treatment to the patient till the las~ instead of 8~ respectively. leaving the patients at the mercy of God? 2. In order to provide incentive for SHRI RASHEED MASOOD: Mr. higher production during 1989-90 Speaker, Sir, we intend to provide treatment season, Government have to the Cancer patients till the last and it is the announced grant 01fre9sal9 sugar policy of the Government also, but the prob- at 80% (as against normal 55%) on lem is that there is a large number of cancer patients and after giving the initial treatment additional production to be achieved they are discharged from the hospital and in by the sugar factories as follows: their place, other patients are admitted. Cancer patients are given proper treatment and medicine and they are also called for a i) Excess production achieved regular check up. during the period from 16th November, 1989 to 15th Novem- Der, 1989 over the average pro- WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS duction achieved during the corresponding period in the previ- [English] ous thre~ seasons, i.e., 1986- 87. 1987-88 and 1988-89. Sugar Output ii) Excess production achieved *595. SHRIMATI BASAVARAJES- during the period from 16th WARI: November, 1989 to 30th April. SHRI G.S. BASAVARAJ: 1990 over the production achieved during the correspond- Will the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL ing period in the previous sea- SUPPLIES be pleased to state: sOn, out of the cane transported 29 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 30

from areas beyond their normal estimated that there are about 10,000 beg- cane reserved areas on the gars in Delhi. specifIC orders of the State Gov- ernment, subject to the limit of (b) The Bombay Prevention of Begging excess production. Act 1959, as extended to the Union Territory of Deihl and Delhi Prevention of Begging Rules 1960, are in force in the Union Terri- iii} Excess productIOn achieved tory of Delhi. These help to reduce the during the penod from 1st May, menace of beggary in the capital to a great 1990 to 31 st July, 1990 over the extent. Although at present there is no pro- production achieved erther dur- posal to ban bQggary in the capital, a number ing the last year In the corre- of vocational trainings like cutting & tailoring. sponding penod or average of soap making, bandage cutting, shoe-mak- production of last three sugar Ing, weaving, laundry, matches makmg etc. seasons dunng thiS penod, as are being Imparted to the beggars for their may be chosen by the sugar rehabilitation. Besides, all the beggars are factory provided with free board and lodging, while they are In Beggar's Homes.

3. As a result of the above incentives [Translation] and higher cane production during the current year, given normal Expansion Plan of Textile Mills in U.P. weather conditions. It IS expected that the sugar production dunng *602. SHRI SHEO SHARAN VERMA: 1989-90 seasons may reach the Will the Minister of TEXTilES be pleased to level of 104 lakhs !onnes, much state: higher than the maximum production of 91 lakh tonnes achieved so (a) whether Government propose to far durmg 1987-88 season. carry out expansion of any of the mills under NTC control in Uttar Pradesh: Beggars in Delhi (b) If so, the details thereof; and *601. SHRI UTIAM RATHOD Willthe Minister of WELFARE be pleased to state' (c) if not, the reasons therefor?

(a) the number of beggars In DeIhl; and THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND (b) whether any rehabilitation pro- MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- grammes are proposed to banish beggary In DUSTRIES (SHRt SHARAD YADAV): (a) the capital and provide gainful employment Yes, Sir. Expansion proposals for Swadeshi to beggars? cotton mills, Maunath Bhanjan and Swadeshi Cotton MiUs, Nainl with capital outlays of As. 4.57 crores and Rs. 7.69 crores are already THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE under submission to financial institutions. OEPARTMENT OF WOMEN AND CHILD Expansion plan for the Raebareli Textile DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF Mills, with a capital outlay of Rs. 5.20 crores WELFARE (SHRIMATI USHA SINHA): (a) is under preparation by the National Textile According to the DeIhl Administration. It IS Corporation. 31 Written Answers APRil 25. 1990

(Engjsh] (b) if 10, the detaIa of prwentive ... being taken bv Govemmn in this regard? Central AssIstance to West Bengal for T._ Barrage Project \ THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND WELFARE (SHRI RAM VIlAS PASWAN): *604. SHRI SUDHIR GIRl: Will the

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE [Eng/ish J MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES (SHRI MANUBHAI KOTADIA): (a) Yes. Sir. Industrial Relations Bill

(b) The State Government has re- *606. SHAI CHITTA BASU: Will the quested the Union Government for shanng Minister of LABOUR be pleased to state: of the cost of the project from VIII Plan onwards In a ratIO of 50:50. (a) whether Government propose to bring forward a new legislation on industrial (c) The request of the State Govern- relatIOns; and ment has not been fo~nd accept~ble by the Planning Commission. (b) if so, what specific steps have since (d) No, Sir. been taken in that direction? rT ransJation ] THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND Child Labour in Detbl WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN): (a) and (b). In pursuance of the recommen- ·605. SHRI R~ N. RAKESH: Will the dations made at the 29th Session of the Minister of LABOUR be pleased to state: Indian Labour Conference held on April 21 and 22, 1990, the subject is proposed to be (a\ whether Government are aware that discussed first by a Bipartite Committee factory owners in the Umon Territory of Delhi comprising representatives of trade unj~ are exploiting child labour: and and employers' organisations. 33 Writtsn AnSW91S VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) WnYtsn AnsWBIS 34

T...... Policy In c.ntral Warehou.tng Employees Provident Fund lid. and Scheme Corporatton 1952.

[English) *607. SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA: Wi" the Minister of FOOD AND CIVil Demand. of All Ind. Apprentices SUPPllE~,be pleased to state: Trainees' Welfare Association

(a> Whether Government have laid -609. SHRI NARSINGRAO SURYA- down guidelines for the transfer of the em- WANSHI : Will the Minister of LABOUR be ployees Qf the Central Warehousing Corpo- pleased to state: ration; (a) whether the All India Apprentices Trainees' Welfare ASSociatoin, Karnataka (b) if so, the details thereof? has in a memorandum to Prime Minister in December, 1989 demanded employment. THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVil unemployment stipend. financial aid through SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): nationalised banks to set up small scale (a) No, Sir. units in rural areas and commission to study their problelT's and suggest solutions; and (b) Does not arise. (b) if sq. the action taken by Govern- [Translation) ment on those demands?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND Provident Fund to Contract Labour in WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN): F.e.l. (a) and (b). No such memorandum appears to have been received.

*608. SHRI SHOPAT SINGH (Translation 1 MAKKASAR: Will the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES be pleased to state Advertisements on Doord.r.... whether labourers engaged in the godown of Regarding Contraceptives Food Corporation of Ind,a enjoy the facility of provident fund? *610. KUMARI UMA BHARATI: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMIL Y WELFARE be pleased to stat.: THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): (a) the number of complaints received The labour engaged under Departmental by Doordarshan during the lastthree months and Direct Payment System are covered about obscene advertisements regarding under Fe. (Contributory Provident Fund) contraceptive measures being telecast on Regulation. 1967. Doordarshan;

(b) the action taken thereon: and The labour under Private Contrad! labour Cooperatives! Management Com- (c) the proposal of Govemmentto make mittee &4ate Sys1ems are governed by the improvements in this regard? 35 Written Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Written Answ9IS 36

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state: MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): (a) whether a number of new born (a) to (c). About 60 letters are reported to babies die in the country due to causes have ben received by various Doordarshan peculiar to infancy; Kendras during the last three months upto 10.4.1990 complaining that as parents they (b) if so, the number of babies who diad felt embarrassed watching some family during the last three years, year and state- welfare spots relatin~ to contraceptive meth- wise; and ods.

No obscene or indecent language has (c) whether any remedial measures been used in thase advertisement. These have been taken by Government in this advertisements were scrutinised in this regard? Ministry as also by the Doordarhsan authorities before being approved for screening. THE MlNISTER OF STATE OF THE Spots on Family Welfare telecast by MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY Doordarshan are by and large comprehended WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): and accepted by viewers. The Audience (a) to (c). No information is available on the Analysis Research Wing of Delhi DOOF- actual number of new born babies which die darhsan had conducted a Survey of spots due to causes peculiar to infancy. However, being telecast which showed that alx>ut 15% according to studies conducted by Registrar of the total respondents interviewed had felt General of India, 9.8% of total deaths occur- some embarrassment but over 85% of the ring in the country in the year 1988 are due persons had found the messages informa- to causes peculiar to infancy. This term tive and useful. includes causes like prematurity, birth inju- ries, congenial malformation, respiratory [English] infection of the new born and diarrhoea of the new born etc. Estimates of deaths due to Death of Children causes peculiar to infancy dunng the last 3 years for which date is available in respect of *611. SHRI MANIKRAO HODLYA major States is given in the following table in GAVIT: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND terms of percentage to total deaths:

States 1986 1987 1988

2 3 4

Andhra Pradesh 11.0 10.1 10.8

Assam 3.9 11.1 12.0

Bihar 5.3 4.6 5.2

Gujara! 12.7 9.8 7.8 37 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answets 38

States 1986 1987 t988

1 2 3 4

Haryana tl.8 7.2 5.3

Kamataka 16.5 17.0 14.7

Kerala 1.5 2.8 1.7

Madhya Pradesh 5.2 4.4 5.1

Maharashtra 120 14.0 12.2

Orissa 145 12.1 14.9

Punjab 2.7 4.8 5.0

~ajasthan 12.7 11.6 10.1

Tamil Nadu 77 7.1 7.1

Uttar Pradesh 12.8 16.5 16.3

India 105 10.2 9.8

The remedial measures taken by the mented as part of the Primary health Care Government to reduce Infant mortality in- Programme. clude programme of training and retraining of traditional birth attendants, expansion of "The study has been conducted by t"'e health infrastructure and provision of trained Registrar General of Indian during 1988 e j manpower at rural sub centres, Intensifica- relates to rural areas only. The findings of the tion of m'aternlty & child health service, Im- study have been published in the Annual munization of pregnant women and children, Report of the Registrar General of India. promotion of oral rehyderatlon therapy to combat diarrhoeal diseases, promotion of National Health Programme breast feeding and proper weaning prac- tices and extensIve health and populatIon *612. SHRI KALPNATH SONKAR: education to promote spacing of birth Inter- SHRI K. MANAVENDRA val and adoption of small family norm. SINGH. Scheme of prohylaxls against nutrrtlonal anaemia and Integrated Child Development Will the Minister of HEALTH AND Services have also been vigorously imple- FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state: 39 Written Answers APRil 25, 1990

(a) the total number of National Health gramme Programmes as on 15th March 1990; 14. Maternal and Child health activities (b) whether any additIOns were made in (including immunisation, prophy- the NatIOnal Health Programme dUring the laxis against anaemia, prophylufs year 1989-90: against Vito Adeficiency,etc.) under Family WeHare Programme. (c) if so, the names of the programmes added; and (b) No new National Health Programme were added dunng 1989-90. (d) the procedure adopted for deletion and inclUSion of a programme? (c) Does not arise.

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (d) A Prpgramme IS Included in National MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY Health Programme- WELFARE (SHRI .RASHEED MASOOD): (a) 1) when a particular Health Problem/ 1. Malana Eradication Programme disease is cutting across the Inter- (This 13lso mduded Control of Kala State boundary and it has regional Azar and Ja~anese Ef'laeph alit IS ) or inter-State character affecting large number of population caus- 2. Filaria Control Programme. ing heavy morbidity and mortality.

3. Laprosy Eradication Programme 2) when thecontrol/eradication of such hea1th problem/disease will help in 4. Tuberculosis Control Programme raiSt!,g the standards of health of the people. 5. Programme for Control of Blind- ness A National Health Programme is deleted when it has already achieved the ob- 6. Goitre Control Programme jective stated above, i. e the particular health problem/disease is controlled/eradicated 7. Sexually Transmitted Diseases from the country and the morbidity and Control Programme mortality due to that problem is negligible or absent. 8. AIDS Control Programme [ Translation] 9. Mental Health Programme Taking over of Sick Textile MDls 10. Diabetes Control Programme

11. Cancer Control Programme *613. SHRI HARJKEWAL, PRASAD: Will the Minister of TEXTILE be pleased to 12. GUinea worm EradicatIOn Pro- state: gramma (a) whether Government propose to 13. Oiarrtloeal Diseases Control Pro- take oyer the sick textile mills; and 41 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnsWBI5 42

(b) if so, by what time? based fruits industry; and

THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND (b) if so, the adion taken thereon? MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- DUSmlES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV): (a) THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND and (b). Take over or natlonalisatlon of sICk MINISTER Of FOOD PROCESSING IN· textile mills does not provide solution to the DUSTRIES (SHAt SHAAAD YADAV): (a) problem of sickness and Government would Yes, Sir. not as a rule intervene In such cases. (b) Certain clarifications have been [English] sought from the Kerala Government on their request for equity participation by the Cen- Enquiry into Sugar Scandal traJ Government in the K~H ala State Horticul- tural Products Development Corporation *614. SHRI KAILASH MEGHWAL· Will LimIted the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUP- pues be pleased to state: Guidelines on Adoption of Indian Child by Foreigners/Foreign Agencies (a) whether Government have Since Instituted the prom Ised enqUiry on the pre- 6384. SHRt N. DENNIS: Will the Min- poll sugar scandal In the country: Isler of WELFARE be pleased to state:

(b) if so, whether the enqUiry report has (a) whether the Supreme Court has been received; and Issued gUidelines to Union Government and State Governments on the questIOn of adop- (c) If so. the findings of the enqUiry and tion of Indian child by foretgners/ foreign the action taken thereon? agencies; and

THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL (b) if so, the details thereof? SUPPLIES (SHRt NATHU RAM MIRDHA): (a) The matter relating to Import of sugar -mE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE during 1989 is being investigated by Central DEPARTMENT OF WOMEN AND CHILD Bureau of InvestigatIOn DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRIMATI USHA SINHA): (a) (b) No, Sir. and (b). In Writ Petrtlon (CRL) No. 11711 1982 by Shn Laxmi Kant Pandey, the Su- (c) Does not arrse. preme Court delivered a series of Judge- ments in which they have laid down detailed Development of Agro-Fruits Industry in norms and procedures to regulate inter- Kerala country adoption of IndIan children. The nl- ractions of the Supreme Court to the Central 6383. SHAI SURESH KODlKKUNNtL: Government as well as to the State Govern- Will the Minister of FOOD PROCESSING ments are, inter-aha, as folfows:- INDUSTRIES be pleased to state· I) where It IS not poSSible to find an (a) whether Governmentof Kerata have Indian family prepared to take a requested Umon Government 10 proVided child In adoption, the first priority for financial aid forthe development of the agro- taking the child is to be gIVen to 43 Written Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Written Alis wefS 44

Indian residing abroad, and if not ing of abandoned/destitute chil- such Indians are available, then to dren by the nursing homeslhospj- adoptive couples where at least tals within their respective jurisdic- one parent is of Indian origin; tions with the Foster-care Homes . . or the Social Welfare Department ii) establishment of Central Adoption of the concerned Government; Resour~e Agency and State Level Agencies for promotion of adop- ix) formation of Voluntary Coordinating tion; Agency to serve as a Coordinating Agency to voluntary Social/Child iii) preparation of lists of foreign volun- Welfare agencies in a particular tary agencies which are recognized/ geographical area to promote In- licensed by the Central Govern- dian adoptions. ment and circulation of these lists to the High Court and recognized Land Under Irrigation and Cultivation social/child weHare agencies in the country: 6385. SHRI ZAINAL ABED IN: Will the Minister of WATER RESOURCES be IV) grant of recognisation to suitable pleased to state: voluntary agencies In India to process applications for inter-country (a) the quantum of land under cultiva- adoption of childrel1: tion as well as under irrigation in the country, State/Union Territory-wise; v) preparation and maintena!"Jceofthe records 01 adoptive parents as well (b) percentage of the land under public as children so adopted and dis- sector irrigation in relation to the total quan- patch of these particulars to India's tum of land under irrigation, StatelUnion Diplomatic Missions in the respec- Territory-wise; and tive countries for the purpose of follow up action and ensuring the (c) measures taken/proposed to be wellbeing of adopted children: taken by Union Government to extend irrigation facilities· in the comparatively under vi) publication of lists of recognized developed areas of the country? Indian placement agencies and their associate agencies in two local THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE leading newspapers: MINISTRYOF WATER REaOURCES (SHRI MANUBHAI KOTADIA): (a) and (b). A state- vii) recognisation of repr&sentatives of ment giving the information is enclosed. foreign recognized child weHare agencies: (c) A number of major, medium and minor irrigation schemes are under con- viii) District Collectors to ensure enlist- struction. 45 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 46

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Registration of Homoeopathlc Pharma- at present cists Achievement Under Housing Schemes 6386 SHRI GANGA CHARAN LODHI In Orissa Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state 6387 SHRI ANAOI CHARAN DAS Will the M,nister of URBAN DEVELOP- (a) whether Government are aware MENT be pleased to state thatthere IS Central Pharmacy Council State for registration of Homoeopathlc Pharma (a) the targets fixed and achievements Clsts working In various Homoeopathlc DIs- made dunng the Seventh Plan penod, year- pensaries/Pharmacy Council Hospitals In Wise, under various housing schemes In the country If not the rea<:;ons therefor Orissa

(b) whether any request has been re- (b) whether there IS al"y shortfall In ceIved b}' Government In this regard If so achieVing the targets, the details thereof and (0) If so, the reasons therefor and (c) the steps Government prODose to take to set up a Central Council of Homoeo- (d) the action tak~n by Government In pathlc Pharmacy? thiS :-egard?

THE MINISTER OF- STATE OF THE THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEL MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY OPMENT (SHRI MURASOLI MARAN) (a) WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD) A statement (year-wise) indicating targets (a) The Pharmacy Council of India or the fixed under 20 POint Programme and achieve- State Pharmacy Councils (..onstlluted under ments made dUring the Seventh Plan penod the Pharmacy Act 1948 do not provIde for under various housing schemes In Orissa IS registration dlspensanes/hospltals There IS attached no legal requirement for registration of Homoeopathlc Phal m af"sts (b) Targets have been achl@ved sub- (b) No specIfic request for regIstration stantially and the performance IS rated as of Homoeopa1 Ie Ph()rm2clsts have been Very Good' received (C) Does not anse (c) There IS no proposed to set up a Central CounCil of Homoeopathlc Pharmacy (d) Does not anse 55 Written Answers APRil 25, 1990 Written AnswelS .56 en< (/} ~ o C') o ('I') o u)

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Non Payment of Arrears of OVertime (c) if so, the reaction of Government Allowance to Telephone Operators thereto?

6388. SHRI C.M. NEGI: Will the Minis- THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND terof HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE be MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- pleased to refer to the reply given on 3 May, DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV): (a) 1989 to the Unstarred Question No. 7826 and (b). Yes, Sir. regarding non-payment of arrears of overtime allowance to telephone operators and (c) The matter has been discussed with to state: Chief Minister, Gujarat, and taken up with the concerned Departments/Organisations. (a) the reasons .for not paYing the ar- Tpe report of Abid Hussain Committee to rears or charges and overtime allowance to review the implementation of Textile Policy the telephone operators oflhe Lady Hardinge has already been received recently. Hospital, New DeIhl: and C.G.H.S. Dispensary, Laxmlnagar (b) the steps being taken to make payment to them? 6390. SHRI KAMAL NATH: SHRIMA TI GEETA MUKHER- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE JEE: MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRt RASHEED MASOOD): Will the Minister of HEALTH AND (a) The arrears of overtime allowance could FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state: not be paid to telephone operator of the Lady Hardinge Medical College as she did not (a) whether Government have received submit her Overtime claim bills within a period complaints about the unsuitable location of oftheone month as per Judgement of Central the C.G.H.S Dispensary No. 67 in Laxmi- Administrative Tribunal dt. 21st July. 1988. nagar:

(b) Does not arise. (b) if so, the detail thereof; and

Repayment of Outstanding Dues by (c) the reaction of Government thereto? Sick Textile Mills THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 6389. SHRI HARIN PATHAK: Will the MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to state: WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASooD): (a) to (c). A news item was published in the (a) whether Union Government have Indian Express dated 20.9.1989 regarding received suggestions for relaxing the pres- the unsuitability of the present buildjQg. The ent guidelines of the Reserve Bank of India old building in Laxminagar where thE!.cGHS for sick textile units in regard to giving longer dispensary was functioning had been de- period for repayment of outstanding dues as clared un-safe. hence the CGHS made at- well as grant of need based working capital; tempts to secure alternative accommodation. The suitability of the present building (b) whether Government of GUJarat has was examined by the CGHS in consultation also suggested for constitution of High Level with the Architect. Efforts will be made by the Committee to review the textile situation for CGHS to ensure that the surroundings are taking remedial measures: and kept clean. 63 Written AnswefS APRil 25, 1990 Written AnswelS 64

Central Aid to SUgar Units of ...... Development Fund and 5 applications are tra und.. examination.

STATEMENT 6392. SHRI VASANT SATHE: Will the Minister of FOOD AND CtVIL SUPPLIES be List of sugar mills of Maharashtra who pleased to state: have Applied for Loan from Sugar Devel- opment Fund for Cane Development (a) whether various sugar units from Maharashtra have sought central assistance 1. Gangapur SSK Ud. from Sugar Development Fund during 1989- Rashin, District. Ahmednagar. 90: 2. Rahuri SSK Ltd., (b) if so, the details thereof, mill wise: Rahuri, District Ahemdnagar.

(c) the action taken thereorr. 3. Tuljabhavani SSK Ud., Tuljapur, District Osmanabad. (d) the number of pending proposal, milt-wise: 4. Sri Ganesh SSK Ltd. Ganeshnagar, District (e) the reasons for pendency: and Ahmednagar.

(f) the action proposed for clearance of 5. Bhogawati SSK Ltd., the same? Shahunagar, District Kolhapur.

THE MINlSTER OF FOOD AND CIVil 6. Pravara SSK ltd., SUPPUES (SHRt NATHU RAM MIRDHA): Pravaranagar, District (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. During 1989-90, 15 Ahmednagar. applications tor cane development schemes and 11 applications for modernisation/reha- 7. Vrideshwar SSK Ltd., bilitation schemes have ben receIved for Vrideshwar, District Ahmednagar loan from Sugar Development Fund from sugar mills of Maharashtra. list of these 8. Jalna SSK Ltd. sugar mills is given in the attached State- District Jalna. ment. 9. Saswad Mali Sugar Factory ltd.. (c) to (f) Out of 15 applications for Cane Mali Nagar, District Solapur. Development Schemes, 10 applications have been cleared by the Screening Comminee 10. K.K. Wagh SSK ltd. and these are being processed by the De- Kaka Saheb Nagar. District Nasik partment for disbursement of the loan amount and 5 applications have been sent to the 11. Mis Yashwant Sakhar Karkhanc IndUs1rial Finance Corporation of India for Ltd., appraisal. Sang Ii, Maharashtra.

Out of 11 applications for Modernisa- tion/rehabilitation scheme, 6 applications 12. MIs Kalamber Vibhag SSK ltd., have been sanctioned loan from the Sugar Nanded, Maharashtra. 65 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answe~ 66

13 MIs Shlrpur S S K Ltd. 10 Vansat Rao Dada Patel S S.K ltd , SlVaJlnagar, Dhule, Maharashtra Vlthewadl Dtstelc1 Naslk

14 Sangmner S S K Ltd, 11 Shtrpur S S K ltd, Amrrt Nagar DlstrlC1 Ahmednagar, Dhalwad, Maharastrah DIStrict Dhule

15 Mis Sahakar Mahanshl Shankar- Regional Cancer Treatment Centres In rao Mohrte Patll States Sahakan Sakhar Karkhan Ltd , Chlntemanlngar, Puna, Mharash- 6393 SHRISANATKUMARMANDAL tra W,ll the MInister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state List of Sugar MIlls of Maharashtra who have Applied for Loan from Sugar Devef- (a) the numberot regIOnal cancer treat- opment Fund for ModermsatlOntRehabl/ita- ment centres In the country. State-wise tlon Schemes (b) the particulars of the diagnostic and 1- Madhukar S S K Ltd, therapy eqUipments Installed at the above Falzpur, District Jalgaon centres dUfing the last three years

2 Puma S S K Ltd (c) whether Hyperthermia service the Basmatha Nagar Dlstrclt, Parbham fourth generation cancer therapy techntque IS available In the country and If so where 3 Shn Warana S S K ltd and which are the associated medical equIp- Warnagar District, Kolhapur ment Installed for the purpose at these centres, and 4 Shn Datta S S K Ltd Shlrol Dattangar, District Kolhapur (d) the approximate number of operations performed at each of the above centres 5 Shetkalr S S K Ltd, dUring the last three years? Sangl! Dlstnct Sangl! THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 6 Shn Vlthal S S K Ltd , MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY Venu Nagar Padharpur WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD) District Sholapur (a) to (d) The Information IS being collected and Will be placed on the Table of the Sabha 7 SAn Dnyaneshwar S S K Ltd, 11\ due course P 0 Bhende District Ahmednagar Vanaspati MIlls In Ortssa

8 AmbaJagal S S K Ltd 6394 SHRI D AMAT Will the Minister Amba Sakhar District Beed of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES be pleased Maharashtra to state

(a) whether there IS an enormous po- 9 Jal Shavanl S S K Ltd tential of setting up of vanaspatt plants In Geara! District Beed Orissa 67 Written Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Written Answers 68

(b) if so. the number of vanaspati plants (a) the number of leprosy patients in proposed to be set up in state during the Delhi; current years; (b) the institutional facilities available (c) the details of the proposal received for the treatment and rehabilitation thereof; from State Government; and and

(d) the follow up action taken thereon? (c) the measures taken, if any, to round up the leprosy patients living by begging in THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL the various parts of Delhi and to put them in SUPPLIES (SHAI NATHU AAM MIADHA): the institutions concerned? (a) No, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (b) Two letters of Intent have been MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY issued to Orissa State Cooperative Oilseed WELFARE (SHRt RASHEED MASOOD): Growers Federation Ltd. Orissa and Indus- (a) Number of Leprosy patients in Delhi are trial Promotion and Investment Corporation 3123 as on 28.2.1990. ltd. of Orissa for setting upof vanaspati units at Pun and Keonjhar districts respectively. (b) A statement is enclosed.

(c) and (d). No proposal in this regard from the State Government IS pending with (c) Under the provision of Bombay the Government of Irrdia. Prevention of begging Act, 1959 as extended to Union Territory of Delhi. Policy rounds up Leprosy Patients in Delhi the Leprosy affected beggars from time to time. The beggars are produced before the 6395. SHAI YASHWANTRAO PATIL: court for trail. The detained beggars are kept Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY in two Beggers HOlTles meant for them in WELF AAE be pleased to state: Delhi. 69 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written AnSW~15 70

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Use of Staff cars Equipment.

6396. SHRI PIYUS TIRAKY: Will the erHeria to Include Disease 'or inclusion • Minister of LABOUR be pleased to state: In National Health Programme

(a) whether Government have time and 6398. SHRI PARASRAM BHARD- again asked its offices to restrict the use of WAJ: ·Will the Minister of HEALTH AND staff cars as an economy measure; FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state:

(b) whether there are complaints that (a) the criteria laid down for deciding the staff cars in the oWce of the Central about the inclusion of any disease in the Provident Fund CommiSSioner are being National health programme; extensively misused by its officers; and (b) the names of the disease which (c) if so, the effective steps proposed to have been included in the said programme be taken by Government in this regard? along with the steps taken for controlling them; THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN): (c) whether there is any committee set (a) Yes, Sir. up to decide about the inclusion of diseases in the National Health Programme; and (b) Yes, Sir. (d) if so, the members of the commit- (c) The matter IS being looked into. tee?

Import of Medical Equipment Under THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Duty Exemption Scheme MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): 6397. SHRI DILIP SINGHJU DEO: Will (a), (c) and (d) Statement-I is attached. the Mmister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state: (b) Statement-II is attached.

(a) the details of the organisations STATEMENT-I which imported medical equipment valuing Rs. 5 lakhs and above as per the Duty A programme is included in National Exemption Scheme of 1983 during the years Healtlj Programme 1988 and 1989; and i) when a particular Health pro- (b) the type of equipment Imported by grammelDlsease is cutting across those organisation? the Inter-State Boundary and it has a regional or inteT-State character THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE affecting large number of popuia- MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY tion causing Heavy morbidity and WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): mortality. (a) The information is being compiled and shall be placed before the House. ii) when the Control/Eradication of (b) Medical, Surgical and Diagnostic such Health ProblemlOisease will 75 Written Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Written Answers 76

help In raising the standards of 8 AIDS Control Programme Health of the people 9 Mental Health Programme A National Health Programme IS deleted when It has already achieved the ob- 10 Diabetes Control Programme Jective as stated above I e the particular Health Problem/Disease IS controlledlEradl- 11 Cancer Control Programme cated from the country and the morbidity and mortality due to the problem IS negligible or 12 GUinea worm Eradication Pro- abseAt gramme

DUring the formulation of poliCies In 13 Diarrhoeal Diseases Control ~ro every Five Year 'Plan, the WorkIng Groups gramme and the Steering committee constItuted by the Plannmg Commission for the purpose 14 Maternal and Child health actiVities take review of various on-golng Health and (inclUding ImmUniSation, prophy- Family Welfare Programme including the laXIS against anaemia, prophylaxis National Health Programmes and also con- against Vrt A defICiency, etc) under sider varIOus aspects of the emerging health Family WeHare Programme Problems According to the need keeping In view the criteria cltled above, the Working 'Health' being a state subject, all promo- Groups and the Steering Committee recom- tlVe preventive and curative measures are mend additIOn/deletion of the Health Pro- taken care of by the States themselves grammes Including the NatIonal Health Programme ESI Outstandlngs Against Dunlop India limited and Orson and Nihon India STATEMENT -II Limited

LISt of the NatIonal Health Programme 6399 SHRI KARIA MUNDA SHRI M V CHAN- Malaria EradIcatIon Programme DRASHEKARA MUR- (This also Includes Control of Kala THY Azar and Japanese Encephahtles) Will the Minister of LABOUR be pleased 2 Filaria Control Programme to state

3 Leprosy Eradication Programme (a) whether Dunlop India Limited and Orson and Nlhon Indian limited have been 4 TuberculosIs Control Pro~ramme depoSiting the ESI amounts due With the concerned authortt,es of ESI Corporation, 5. Programme for Control of Bhnd- ness (b) If not, the details 01 the amounts not depoSited by Dunlop India Limited and Or 6. Gortre Control programme son & Nlhon Indian Limited dUring the last three years With the concerned authOrities of ESt Corporation, separately, and 7 Sexually Transmitted Diseases Control Programme (c) the act~on being take'1 by Govern- 77 W"tten Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 78 menl In this regard and also for recovery of (a) the number of textile mills closed the amount due? due to labour unrest,

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND (b) the steps proposed to be taken to WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN) solve the problem of labour unrest, and (a) to (c) Mis Dunlop India Limited, has been depositing the ESI dues regularly In (c) the total number of labourers ren- respect of the regular workers of their facto dered unemployed due to closure of such Ties at Madras and Calcutta Their Madras textile mills? Unrt has however. defaulted In payment of certain contributions In respect of employ- THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND ees engaged through contractors The MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- amount outstanding IS .]stlmated at about DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV) (a)to Rs 327 lakh the employer IS however, (c) As per mformatlon available, 17 cononl reported to have disputed the claim In the man madefibretexlile mills emploYing 20,960 court and as such the matter IS sub-Judice workers were lYing closed as on 28 2 90 due The information regarding Mis Orson & Nlhon to strikes India L,mrted IS being ascertained and will be laid on the Table of the Sabha separately Labour problem are tackled by the concerned States U T Government on a Observation of 'May Day' In Public case to case baSIS by reconciliation, nego- Sector tiations and diSCUSSions With the concerned partIes 6400 SHRI A K ROY Will the M,ntster of LABOUR be pleased to state [English]

(a) the details of the public sector units Bonus to Workers in Public Sector which have not yet declared May Day as a holiday. 6402 SHRI KIRPAL SINGH Will the Minister of LABOUR be pleased to state· (b) whether May Day IS observed as a holiday by Government and (a) when the ceiling of Rs 2500 for grant of bonus to workers In pubhc sector (C) If so steps taken for observing May undertakings and ad hoc bonus to Central Day as a holiday In public sector undertak- Government employees was fixed, Ings? (b) whether there has been a sharp nse THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND In the emoluments of the workers/employ- WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN) ees since then due to recommendatIOn! (a) to (c) The information IS being collected awards of various CommiSSIon and also due and Will be laid on the Table of the House to continUous Inerease In dearness allowance on account of price spirals In recent [ Translation] years.

Closed Textile Mills 6401 SHRI RAJENDRA AGNIHOTRI (c) If so, the whether Government have Will the M,nister of TEXTILES be pleased to received any representations for raising the state ceiling, and 79 Written Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Written Answers 80

(d) if so, the Government's reaction (b) 362 Fair Price shops and 68 Kero- thereto? sene depots ryave been allotted by the Delhi Admiliistration to applicants during the last THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND two years. WELFARE (SHAI RAM VILAS PASWAN): (a) The ceiling of As. 25001- for grant of (c) A Number of applications are re- bonus to workers In publIC sector undertak- ceived In response to each vacancy for fair ings and ad hoc basIs to the Central Govern- price shops and kerosene oil depots notified ment employes was fixed In 1985 through by the Delhi Administration in the concerned amendment of the Payment of Bonus Act. circle office. The allotment is made to one, who is most suitable according to the norms (b) There has been a rise In the emolu- prescribed. The rest of the applicants are ments of the workers/employees due to the deemed to have been r9Jected wage reVISIOns and periodiC increase 10 Dearness Allowance. [EnglIsh]

(C) Yes, SIr IS Cadar Therapy

(d) The matter IS under consideration. A 6404. SHRI LOKANATH CH- deCISIOn Will be taken In due course, takmg OUDHURY: Will the Minister of HEALTH the varIOus factors Into consideratIOn AND FAMilY WELFARE be pleased to state:

[T rans/atlon] (a) whether the Central Council for Research in Homoeopathy (CCRH) con- Allotment of FPS/Kerosene Depot In ducted research In IS Cadar therapy In the Delhi years 1978 to 1982;

6403 SHRI GOVINDA CHANDRA (b) whether It IS also a fact that research MUNDA: Will the MlI1lster of FOOD AND In IS Cadar therapy was discontinued on the CIVIL SUPPLIES be pleased to state. recommendations of SCientifiC Advisor Committee of the Council; and (a) the number of applicatIOns received for the allotment of Fair PrICe Shops and (c) whether research In IS Cadar ther- Kerosene Depot In Delhi dunng the last two apy was re-u.ndertaken without taking ap- years. proval of the SCientifiC AdVisory Committee; If so, the reasons therefor? (b) the number of applicants to whom depots have been alloned. and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY (c) the steps taken to dispose off the WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): remaining applications? (a) and (b). lscador therapy for Cancer was Introduced on trial baSIS on the recommendations of the SCientific AdVisory Committee THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL In 1978. There was no recommendatIOn for SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): Its Withdrawal. However, since there was (a) The information IS being collected by the some doubt It was again approved by the Deihl Administration and will be laid on the SCientIfIC AdVISOry Committee on 9th Au- Table of the House gust, 1984. 81 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 82

(c) Research In Iscadortherapy was re- houses In Punjab dunng the last three years, Introduced 10 the Council wrth the pnor ap and proval of Scientific AdvIsory Committee (b) the progress achieved so far In HUDeo Schemes for Punjab Implementing such schemes?

6405 SHRI KAMAL CHAUDHARY THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEL- W,ll the Minister of URBAN DEVELOP- OPMENT (SHRI MURASOLI MARAN) (a) MENT be pleased to stale The details of schemes sancttoned by HUDCO to different borrowing agencies tn (a) the details of schemes approved the State of Punjab dUring the last three and financed by HUDeO for construction of years are as follows

Year No of Project AI/oeal/of' Loan DUs Schemes Cost SanctIOned SanctIOned (Rs In crares)

14 17 781 11 1312

1988-89 37 42 977 36 43349

1989-90 32 23 1261 15 1310

(b) A'S per latest available mformatlon Included In the formulary but are not manu- as against sanctioned number of dwelling factured and supplied by MIs IMPCL. a units of 103789 48051 Units have been Government of India Undertakmg completed as on 31 3 1990 Special Quota Jor Ramzan Period Tenders for Ayurvedlc Drugs 6407 SHRI AJITKUMAR PANJA Will 6406 SHRI RAMDAS SINGH Will the Minister of FOOD AND CIVil SUP the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMilY PLIES be pleased to state WELFARE be pleased to state (a) whether regular quota of sugar (a) whether Government Invite tenders kerosene all etc are Increased to State under Central Health Scheme for Ayurvedlc during the Ramzan penod and patent drugs for Its d,spensanes and (b) If so, the details of the Increased (b) If so the details thereof? quota released to Government of West Bengal dUring the last three years year-wise THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE separately dunng the Ramzan perIOds. MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMilY WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD) (a) and (b) Yes, Sir Evpry year tenders are (c) whether It IS also a fact that thiS year Invited from the firms registered with CGHS the Increased Quota has not been releaseo tor supplYing those medicines whICh are to Government of West Bengal and 83 Wntten Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Writt9n Answ91S 84

(d) If so, the reasons therefor? InclUSIOn m the Eight five Year Plan;

THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL (e) whether UnIOn Government Will SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA) provide finanCial assistance to Punjab Gov- (a) to (d) In so far as sugar IS concerned, ernment fol' thiS purpose If so, the extent under the present pohcy of partial control, a thereof, monthly levy sugar quota IS allotted to State Governments for dlstnbutlon through the (f) whether there IS any proposal to Pubhc Dlstnbutlon system and no additIOnal seek assistance from World Bank for thiS quantity IS allotted to any State Government purpose, If so, the details thereof, and for the festivals, inclUding the Ramzan festI- val However, addrtlOnal festival allocatIOn IS (g) the time by whICh thiS faCility IS hkely made for the festIVal months of September· to be prOVided In all areas? October-November THE MINISTER Of URBAN DEVEL- In so far as kerosene IS concerned, 0pMENT (SHRI MURASOLI MARAN) (a) additional adhoc allocation IS conSidered on As per the Information received from the merits oi request of the State Government to Govt of Punjab, out of 95 mUniCipal commit- meet the emergency arrslng out of floods tees and 11 notified area commrttees, partial drought festwals, etc However, no separate sewerage system eXIsts In 70 mumclpal request was Fecelved from West Bengal committees and 5 notified area committees Govemment for Increased quota of kero· sene dunng the Ramzan penod In the last 3 (b) No, SIr years or for the Ramzan perIOd thiS year As regards wheat & nce, no Increase IS made (c) Does not anse dunng thiS perIOd but r~quests of states receIVed from time to time are conSidered (d) The ElQhth Five Year Plan propos- keeptng In view aval'ablhty fa stocks In the als have not been flnahsed central pool and other related factors (e) There IS no such proposal under World Bank Assistance for Sewerage conSIderation of the Umon Government System in Punjab. (f) the Government of Punjab has reo 6408 S ATINDER PAL SINGH Will ported that they propose to submit a pro the MInister of URBAN DEVELOPMENT be posal for seekIng World Bank assistance for pleased to state sewerage

(a) the details of MUniCIpal committees! (g) According to the Government of notified area committees and rural blocks In Punlab no definite time limit can be mdl Punjab where the faCility of modern sewer- cated at thiS stage age system IS available, Food ProceSSing Industry In Raigarh (b) whether any scheme has been prepared to prOVIde such facIlity In all areas, 6409 SHRI NAND KUMAR SAl Will tho MinIster of FOOD PROCESSING (c) If so, the details thereof, INDUSTRIES be pleasod to state

(d) the proposals In thiS regard for (a) whether Government propose to set 85 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 86

up a co-operative Food Processing I"dustry Not In Vocabulary Drugs in Ludeng in district Aaigarh: 6411. DR. BHAGWANDASSRATHOR: {b} if so, when: and Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state: (c) if not, the reasons therefor? (a) whether the Medical Stores Depots under the Medical Stores Organisation are THE MINISTER FOR TEXTILES AND permitted to procure priority drugs on Not in MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- Vocabulary basis; DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV): (a) to (c). The Ministry of Food Processing Indus- (b) if not, how much quantity of N.I.V. tnes have no much proposal under constel- Drugs have been procured every year from lation. 1985 onward;

Sentng up of new units In any area Will (c) the criteria for the procurement of depend upon several factors like availability the N.!. V. Drugs on Priority basIs; and of raw-matenal and other Infrastructural facilities etc (d) the names of the companies and amount of money spent in procurement of [English] the N.!. V. Drugs every year and in each Depot? Food Processing Industry in West Bengal THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF. HEALTH AND FAMILY 6410. SHR! SATYAGOPAL MISHRA: WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOO) (a) Will the MInister of FOOD PROCESSING and (c). Yes Sir, The Depots wer~ permitted INDUSTRIES be pleased to state. to procure Not in Vocabulary (N.I.V.) Drugs In th year 1985 under the following circum- (a) whether there IS any proposal under stances: consideration to set up any Food Processing Industry In West Bengal dunng Eighth Five i) To meet emergent demands tor Year Plan penod: natural calamities like floods, droughts and earthquakes, elc and (b) If so. the detaIls thereof: and national calamities.

(c) if not, the reasons thereof? Ii) SpeCIal demands reterred to De- pots i.e., Dispensary at Mecca, etc for Haj Pilgrims. THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- iii) Demands for foreign assistance DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV): (a) to received from Ministry of External (c). The Ministry of Food Processing Indus- Affairs. tries have no proposal to set up food processing industry in the West Bengal. How- iv) Demands received from our Em- ever, several plan schemes have been for- bassies abroad. mulated for the development of food processing sector during 1990-91 in the country. v) ReqJirements for running a factory 87 Written AnswelS APRIL 25, 1990 Written Answ91S 88

and depots and house-keepJng (c) If so, the detsfls thereof; snd artICles (d) If not. the reason therefor? VI) Demands received by the Govt under special Circumstances THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- VII) Against firm demands of DUSTRIES (SHAt SHARAD YADAV): (a) Yes, SIr. (a) Andman and Nlcobar Is- lands (b) Yes, Sir

(b) P& T Dlspensanes (c) A statement IS attached

(c) Hmdustan Machine Tools (d) Does not arrse

(d) Bharat Heavy Electncals STATEMENT

(6) CGHS (c) The vartous studies conducted by office of the Development (f) National Pohcew Academy Commlssloner(Handlcrafts) Include 105 craft specifIC surveys/studies, 19 craft documen- (g) CRPF tatIOn, one report of Htgh Power Commrttee and one report of Task Force on Handicrafts (h) Deihl HOspitals The Office of the Development However, this was restricted to CGHSI Commlssloner(HandlCrafts) coordmate the Deihl Hospitals In 1986 and to CGHS/ developmental efforts of varIOus states by Adaman and Nlcobar Islands from 1987 holding regular meetings wrth managIng onwards Directors of State and Central Handicraft• Development Corporations BeSides, major (b) and (d) QJestlons does not arise policy Issues concerning handicrafts are raIsed and discussed In the All India Hand- ( Trans/atlonl looms and Handicraft Board conslstmg of representatives from all States Study on Handicraft [Engllsh1

6412 SHRI RAJVEER SINGH Will the Liabilities on Lined Water Courses Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to state

(a) whether any study In respect of 64'3 SHRI DAULAT RAM SARAN technical, financial organisational, artistic Will the Minister of WATER RESOURCES and other aspects of handicraft Industry has be pleased to state been conducted (a) the totalltabllrtles on account of the (b) whether such development efforts hned water courses and other on farm devel- of varIOus State Governrnpnts have been opment work on the Indira Gandhi Canal In co-ordtnated Rajasthan In Stage I and Stage II. 89 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 90

(b) whether this responsibility has been (a) whether Government propose to taken over by Union Government and the give remunerative prices of their agricultural State Government in certain areas of Stage products to the farmers; II; and (b) if so, the steps taken thereon; and (c) whether Haryana and Punjab in their own areas have written off the costs of lines (c) the number of procurement centres water courses tram loans allowed to farm- proposed to be opened by Government ers? during 1990-91 to give support prices to the farmars of their produce? THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRYOFWATER RESOURCES (SHRI THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVil MANUBHAI KOTADIA): (a) Totalliaoillties in SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): Indira Gandhi Nehar Project Stage I IS Rs. (a) and (b). Government fixes tha support 43.52 crores (excluding ordinary Inans) of price tor major agricultural commodities. The principal and in Stage II IS nil. procurement prices so fixed not only cover the farmer's cost of production, but also (b) Under revIsed financial pattern on provide him a reasonable return. A nat work Central assistance effective from 1.4.1986, of purchase centres is set up throughout the the cost of construction of water courses country and is expanded according to needs from outlet to 5-8 ha. block is being borne by from time to time to avoid possibility of dis- the Government of India and the State tress sale. With a view to ensuring fair re- Government asgrant on matching basis with turns to the farmers, the Government has no liability on farmers. Therefore. under the recently set up an Expert committee, exam- present financing pattern, the water courses irie and recommend other measures to construction in Indira Gandhi Nehar Project improve the remunerativeness of crop pro- Stage-II would generally be borne by Gov- duction. ernment of India and the State Government. Only 1.24 lakh ha. of the Stage II of the (c) 7749. project has been Included under the Cen- trally sponsored scheme of Command Area [English] Development. Production and Export of Cotton (c) As regards Haryana and Punjab, no request was made by Haryana and Punjab 6416. DR. VENKATESH KABDE: Will to the Government of India while takIng the MInister of TEXTILES be pleased to dAcision, if any, of waIving of the recoveries state: on account of loan recoverable from cultiva- tors for construction of water courses. (a) whether Government are aware of record production of cotton in the State of [ Translation] Maharashtra;

Price of Agricultural Commodities (b) whether Govemment prC?pose to encourage export of raw cotton to provide better price to the farmers; 6415. SHRI MITRA SEN YADAV: Will the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES (c) the export of raw cotton for the last be pleased to state: three years, 91 Written Answers APRil 25, 1990 Written Answers 92

(d) the steps proposed to be taken to (b) and (c). Does not arise. ensure better prices to cotton growing farmers of Maharashtra? [ Translation]

THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV): (a) Deihl Vegetables and Fruits Consumer Yes, Sir. Cooperative Federation.

(b) Government have already released 6418. SHRI R.L.P. VERMA: Will the a quota for the export of 13.85 lakh bales of Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES be cotton dUring the 1989-90 cottun year t(.'l pleased to state: provide farmers With the benefit of higher International prices (a) whether it IS a fact that all the shops of Deihl Vegetables and Fruits Consumer (c) 13.67 lakh bales of cotton were Co-operative Federation are being run on exported dUring the 1986-87 season, 0.44 contract basis: lakh bales of cotton were exported dUring 1987-88 season. and 077 lakh bales of (b) whether these shops are trading In cotton were exported dunng the 1988-89 cloth, sugar and other articles and if so, the cotton season details thereof;

(d) The purchase of cotton In Mahar- (c) whether all the member SOCieties of ashtra IS presently governed through a the Federation are Iymg closed ii so, the monopoly procurement scheme operated reasons therefor; by the State Government (d) whether the federation IS maintain- Import of coconut oil Ing bogus accounts,

6417. SHRI K. MURALEEDHARAN: (e) if so, the actIOn taken thereon; Will the Minister of FOOD AND CIVil SUP- PLIES be pleased to state (f) whether the Reglst-ar Co-operative SOCieties, Deihl Administration, Delhi Pro- (a) whether coconut 011 IS being Im- pose to enqUire Into the matter; and ported at present. (g) rf not, the reasons therefor? (b) if so, whether Government propose to stop the same for the benefit of coconut THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL growers; and SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): (a) According to the information furnished by (c) if not, the reasors therefor? the Registrar of Cooperative Societies, Deihl, the shops of the said Federation are manned by the employees of the Federation. THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVil SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): (b) The federation is trading in cloth. (a) Coconut 011 is a canahsed l1em and S. T. C., sugar and other articles for which necessary the canalising agency, IS not Importing any licence/permit. has been obtain-ed by the coconut 011 at present Federation from the Food, Supply and In- 93 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 94 dustries Departments of Delhi Administra- (b) No recommendations are made by tion. the Textiles Committee in the reports published on Consumer Purchases of Textiles. (c) It has been reported that out of 78 members/stores/societies, the 14 are under (c) Estimates of consumption of textiles Fquidation. are utilised by various government departments, research organisations and industry (d) The accounts of the said Federation for further studies. These estimates are also have been audited upto 1987-88 by the utilised by the Indian Statistical Institute for Chartered Accounts appointed by .the Regis- e~timation of consumption of clothings for trar of Cooperative Societies, Deihl. While national accounts statistics. the audit report has pointed out deficiencies! irregularities In the maintenance of books of [ Translation] accounts of the Federation, but has not established that the books of accounts are Institutes of Fashion Technology bogus or fictitiOUS. 6420. DR. MAHADEEPAK SINGH (e) to (g). In view of above, does not SHAKYA: Will the Minister of TEXTILES be arise. pleased to state:

[English] (a) whether the National Institute of Fashion Technology is the only institute of its Study by Textile Committee kind in the country:

6419. SHRI KAMALUDDIN AHMED: (b) whether Government proposes to Will the Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to open more such Institutes in the country; and state: (c) if so, the steps being taken by (a) whether the Market Research Wing Government in this regard? of Textile Committee has carried out studies with regard to the Consumer purchases of THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND Textiles: MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV): (a) (b; rt so, the salient features of recom- Yes, Sir. mendations so made: and

(c) the reaction of Government thereto? (b) and (C) Though, the Government does not propose to open more such institutions In the country, NIFT has been catering THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND to regional needs by conducting short-term MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- courses ranging from period of 2 weeks to 4 DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV): (a) months in garment producing Centres such The Market Research Wing of the Textiles as Bombay, Bangalore. Ahmedabad, Ma- Committee has been conqucting survey on a dras, Ludhiana and Tiripura. Thege courses continuous basis for collecting data on include garment production, garment de- Consumer Purchasesof Textiles from sample sign, marketing and merchandising. NIFT households spread over various urban and proposes to hold more such Courses subject rural centres In the country. to availability of funds. 95 Written Answers APRIL 25,1990 Written Al1swelS 96

[Eng/ish] and (b). Government has no objection to allow silk textile mills to be run by workers Lack of Medical Facilities to Central Co-

(c) the steps taken to provide similar (a) whether representations have been facilities to the Central Government employ- received about the faulty and partial imple- ees in Karnataka? mentation of the Bachawat Wage Award by the management of United News of India: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY (b) rt so, the details thereof; and WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): (a) to (c). The information are being col- (c) the action taken for proper imple- lected and wi" be laid on the Table of the mentation of the Bachawat Award by the Sabha. management of United News of India?

[ Translation] THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN) Sick Textile Mills (a) and (b). A representation from the United News of India (UNI) has been received on 6423. SHRI DILEEP SINGH BHURIA: 20th March, 1990 alongwith copy of a letter Will the Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to of October 16,1989 which was jointly signed state: by the Management and the employees' Union of UNI and a copy of the Memoran- (a) whether Government propose to dum of Settlement reached between the hand over the sick textiles mills to the work- management and the employees of UNI. ers where the labour unions agree to run The representation seeks certain clarifica- them; and tions on the demands of the workers' Union;

(b) if so, the details thereof? (c) The Government have asked all THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND States/Union Territories to enforce the MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- Bhachawat Wage Board recommendations DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAO YADAV): (a) and to ensure their proPer implementation in 97 Written Answers VArSAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 98

all newspaper estabhshments and news (a) the number of cases where the pay- agenol8S ment of Employees Provident Fund have been delayed for more than three months Mortality Rate Amongst Women dUring the last three years, State-wise; and

6425 SHRI ANBARASU ERA Will the (b) the details of steps taken to ensure MInister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WEL- speedy payment of Provident Fund to the FARE be pleased to state beneflClaneslthelr families In case of the death of the benefiCiaries? (a) whether the mortality rate amongst women IS high In the country, THE MINISTER OF lABOUR AND WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN) (b) If so, the factOrs responsible for this (a) and (b) The reqUISite InformatIOn IS high Incidence being collected and Will be laid on the table of the Sabha In due course (c) the steps taken to brmg down the mortality rate amongst women? [ Translation]

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Price Control System MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD) 6427 SHRIGULABCHANDKATARIA (a) As per the latest estimate of Sample Will the MInister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUP- Registration System of Registrar General of PLIES be pleased to state India, the number of female deaths per thousand female population at the National level (a) whether Government propose to for the year 19871s 11 0 The corresponding continue with price control system of essen- death rate among males for the year 1987 IS tial comModities, 109. (b\ If so, Ihe reasons therefor (b) Pregnancy and Child birth IS associated with great risk which may endanger (c) whether Government are aware that the life of a women corruption IS increasing due to dual price pollcY,and (c) DUring pregna'"lcy and child birth, women are provided antI-natal mtra-natal (d) If so the steps proposed by Govern arid pest-natal care probuldxlS against ment to scrap rt? 'wtnt'onai araemla Immunisation with teta- nus toxoid medical termination or pregnancy THE "IINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL (MIP) feCI It.es 1.Inoer F vV ?rogramme and SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA) supplernenta r )! nutrl1l0'1 under leD (a) Yes Sir Scher'le

Payment 01 Employees Provident Fund (bl In the WIder Interest of equity and SOCial }UStlC9, prices of baSIC necessltie5 such as nee, wheat, sugar etc which from an 6426 SHRI RAM SAGAR (Saldpur) essential part of the consumption basket of Will the Minister 01 LABOUR be pleased to the poor cannot be allowed to be fixed state wholly by the market forces 99 Written Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Written Answers 100

(c) and (d) The overall advantages of Project, action is being taken to put the the dual pnclng policy far outweighs the tubewells in operation through modernisa- disadvantage, If any. Continuous attempts tion and rehabilitation. In addition, arrange- are made by State Govts/UT Administra- ment for dedicated electrical feeder lines is tions to check and pUnish malpractices also being made. This project is scheduled through provisions made under Essential for completion by 1993-94. Commodities Act and other relevant legislations. [English]

Tubewells for Irrfgstlon Purposes HUDeo Schemes In Karals

6428 SHRI TEJ NARAYAN SINGH: 6429. SHRI T. BASHEER: Will the Will the Minister of WATER RESOURCES Minister of URBAN DEVELOPMENT be be pleased to state pleased to state'

(a) the total number of tubewells In- (a) the number of schemes approved stalled for Irrigation purpose In Bihar and and financed by HUDCO for constructIon of those which are out of order at present, and houses In Kerala dUring the last three years; and (b) the steps being taken to repair the tubewells which are out of order? (b) the progress achieved in Imple- menting these schemes? THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRYOFWATER RESOURCES (SHRI MANUBHAI KOTADlA) (a) As on 31st THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEL- March, 1990. total number of tubewells In- OPMENT (SHRI MURASOLI MARAN): (a) stalled were 5.523, out of which 2790 are In The details of the schemes sanctioned by operation HUDeO to different borrOWing agencIes In the State of Kerala dUring the last three (b) Under the World Bank aSSisted years are as follows'-

Year No of PrOject AllocatIOn Loan Dus schemes Cost sanctIoned SanctIoned

2 3 4 5 6

(Rupees In Crores)

1987-88 35 64 10.67 45 46171

1988-89 50 55 1202 38 15804

1989-90 75 126 15.41 95 70003

State out of Wh:C1 around 333200 dwelling (b) Since Its inception HUDeO has till units have reportedly been completed. now sanctioned 431504 dwelling units In the 101 Wfltten Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 102

[ Translation] [English]

Committee on Modernisation of Mills of Asylums for Leprosy Patients In States Eastern Region

6434 SHRIV SREENIVASAPRASAD 6430 SHAI HAAISH AAWAT Will the Will the MInister of TEXTILES be pleased to Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY state WELFARE be pleased to state (a) whether Government constituted a (a) whether Government propose to set committee of modernisation and amalgama- up asylums In each Stateforkeepmg leprosy tion of mills In the eastern region under the patients there and National Textile Corporation.

(b) If so, the number of such asylums (b) whetherthe report of the Committee likely to be set up In Uttar Pradesh dUring the has since been received, and year? (c) If so, the details thereof? THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD) MINISTER OF f:OOD PROCESSING IN- (a) No Sir DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV) (a) to (c) No Sir However Government have (b) Does not anse constItuted a Committee comprtslng of chief Secretary, Government of West Bengal and Dhobl Ghats In Deihl Chalrman-cum-Managlng Director, National Textile Corporation (holding Company), New 6432 DR BENGALI SINGH Will the Deihl With the objective of looking Into the MInister of URBAN DEVELOPtv4ENT be various problems of NTC mills located In pleased to state West Bengal and to suggest remedial measures (a) the number of Go"er'lf'}lent budd Dhobl-grats tor thp washprmen I,., Urian The terms of reference and objectives Territory of Deihl of the Committee shall be as follows -

(b) wrether Government propose to (I) Identification of the reasons cc. construct more Df-]obl ghats In view of the trlbutlng towards cash losses and increasing population and net losses suffered by these mills dUring the last five years, (c) If so the details thereof?

(II) Identlflcdtlon of reason for low THE MINISTRY OF URBAN DEVEL percE'rtage utilisation of spinning OPMENT \SHRI fvlURASOLI MARAN) (a) and processlrgcaoacltles,lowyarn to (c) Accordlrg 10 Delnl Administration p·oduc·'on and low JT1arket yarn total number of Dhabi Ghats constructed by sale the Local bodies s 69 ,6notf-)er Dhabi Ghat In Bapa Nc:1gar IS under construction (III) Idenliflcatton of other speCific prob- 103 Written Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Written Answers 104

lems faced by the NTC Mills In tlons specially In remote and rural areas and West Bengal, strengthening of SOCIa' control over Health ServICes IS one of the measures to whICh (IV) identification of yarn requirements Government attaches high prIOrity Details of the decentrahsed sector In West are being worked out In consultatIOn with the Bengal and suggestions regardmg State Governments means to Improve quality and quantity of yarn productIOn by the Handloom Weavers NTC mills with a view to cater to the req.Ulrements of the decentrahsed 6436 SHRI HET RAM Will the MInister sector m the State/region and of TEXTILES be pleased to state

(v) Recommendations for tuture (a) whether Government have con- course of action, regarding pomts ducted any study about the socia economic (I), (II), (III) and (IV) above as well as conditions of hand loom weavers In the coun- any other related aspects In the try, form of short-term remedial meas ures as well as long-term plans so (b) If so, the details thereof as to ensure the economic Viability of NTC Subsidiary s operations In (c) whether Governmem have under- West Bengal keeping In view the taken any study about the prICes of inPuts, market requirements labour, mIddlemen margIn and consumer price of hand loom products partICularly In The Committee has not yet submitted the manufactunng of dumes and Khadl, and Its Report to the Government

Social Control Over Health Services (d) the steps taken by Government to ensure falf wages to handloom weavers and 6435 SHRI P R KUMARAMANGA- to cover the contract labour employed In thIS LAM Will the Minister of HEALTH AND Industry under ESI, EPF and other statutory FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state safeguards?

(a) whether Government propose to THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND strengthen the social control over health MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING II'L servICes as a welfare measures and DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV) (a) A census of handlooms at the natlona~ level covering Irteraha certain at on the SOCIO- (b) rf so, the details of steps proposed to economic aspects of hand loom weavers was be taken In thiS direction? conducted by the GOJer'lment of India through the State Government dunng 1987- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 88 MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD) (b) The main findings at the census (a) and (b) Government IS committed to regarding hand loom weavers In the country provide Health Services to the weaker sec are as follows 105 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 106

1. Employment (in lakh persons)

(a) Total population of weaver households 156.08

(b) Total number of persons engaged In preparatory and weaving activities

Preparatory Weaving Total

(i) Full time 10.95 22.43 33.38

(II) Part time 10.62 21.33 31.95

Total 21.57 43.76 65.33

2. Households & Non-households (Non-household units are those which own loomshGds where loomless weavers work) (Number In lal

(I) House-holds 30.60

(ii) Non-households 0.24

Total 30.84

3. Distribution of weaver house-holds by monthly earnings (Number In lakhs)

(a) from handloom weaving only

(I) up to Rs. 2001= 16.56

(Ii) Rs 201, = to Rs 500/= 10.50

(: I) Rs. 501 = and above 3.54

(I) up to Rs 20lJ/= 2.04

(II) Rs. 201/= to [ls. 500/= 13.24

(lit) Rs 501/= and above 15.32 1 07 Writt~m Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Writt9n Answ9fS 108

4. Gender-wise distribution (in lakh persons)

(i) Men 17.69

(ii) Women 40.04

(iii) Children 7.60

Total 65.33

5 Caste-wise distribution (In lakh persons)

(I) Scheduled Caste 7.94

(il) Scheduled Tribe 1310

(III) Others 44.29

Total 65.33

6. Working Status of full time weavers (In lakh persons)

(I) Under cooperatIves 4.55

(II) Under State Corpns 0.47

(III) Under Master weavers 3.45

(IV) Independent weavers 12.11

(V) Others 1.85

Total 22.43

(c) No, SIr. to ensure higher earnings for the handloom weavers and to Improve their soclo-eco- nomlccondttlons, the Government have been (d) At the Instance of Govern- making efforts through various measures mentof India, the States of Kerala, Tamilnadu, such as: Af"ldhra Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh and Mahar- ashtra ha'le notified minimum wages in re- (i) Financial assistance for mod- spect of the handloom Industry under the ernisation of looms. Minimum Wa']es Act 1948 Other States have been reouested to follow SUit In order (Ii) Scheme of decentrallsed traln- 109 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 11 0

Ing to train weavers on improved (a) the number of Indian workers, coun- technology; try-wise, who returned from Gulf countries due to loss of em ploym ent d u ri nJ the last two (iii) Scheme of training a cadre of years; 'Bunkar Sevaks' for assisting weavers in transfer of improved technology; (b) whether a survey has been con; ducted in this regard; and (iv) Protection to hand looms by reserving certain varieties of cloth forthelf a)(clusive produc- (c) ~ so, the details thereof? tion In the handloom sector; THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND (v) Design support and provision WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN): of technological inputs through (a) This Information is not maintained. a number of Weavers' service Centres In the country; (b) No, Sir.

(vi) Special frscal concessions to (c) Does not Arise. the handloom sector to remove the cost handicapof handlooms Vis-a-VIS the powerlooms; Steps to Cure Cancer and Medicine Discovered (VII) Assistance to weavers to enable them to form Industnaltype cooperatives, 6438. SHRI CHIRANJI LAL SHARMA: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY (VIII) Thrift Fund Scheme which cov- WELFARE be pleased to state: ers Group Insurance Scheme; (a) the steps taken so far and proposed (ix) Market Development ASSIs- to be taken to eradicate cancer disease; tance Scheme including special rebate, Share Capital As- (b) whether any effective medicine has sistance to Apex Societies and since been discovered: and State Corporations to give market support to hand loom (c) if so, the details thereof? products: and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (x) TheJanata Cloth Scheme under MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY which It IS ensured that reason- WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): able lelJel of wages \5 paid to (a) to (c). Till date, the medical scientists hand loom weavers have not found any effective method for eradication of cancer disease. However, a Indian Workers Returned From Gulf large percentage of cancer cases can be Countries prevented through appropriate health edu- 6437. SHRt RAMESH CHENNITHALA: cation or can be cured through early detec- Will the Minister of LABOUR be pleased to tion. Necessary measures are being taken state: by the Government towards thiS direction. 111 Written Answers APRIL 25. 1990 Written Answers 112

GlaZing of Verandah. In Government (a) the number of speCialised research Quarters centres for cancer patIents In greater Bom- bay, 6439 SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA Willthe Mlntster of URBAN DEVELOPMENT (b) the number of patients speCially be pleased to state children below 11 years of age treated for cancer dUring the last three years, and (a) whether large number of Govern- ment quar:ters In R K Puram, New Deihl etc (c) the amount provided for SOphisti- were taken up for glazing In the past but all cated medical treatment In view of the in- of a sudden the work was stopped, creasing Incidence among small children?

(b) If so, the reasons thereof THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY (c) the details of steps taken to restart WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD) the glazing of verandahs, and (a) to (c) The InformatIOn IS being coll,aad and Will be laid on the Table of The Sabha In (d) The number of quarters In whose due course case the glazing though approved has not been done? EPF Advance casas Pending In Com- mlaaloner Office, Deihl THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEL- OPMENT (SHRI MURASOLI MARAN) (a) 6441 SHRI KESHARI LAL Will the Yes, Sir MInister of LABOUR be pleased to state

(b) In pursuance of Government in- (a) thenumberofE P F advancecases structIOns Issued In 1987 for curtailing ex- received In the office of the Regional ProVI- penditure due to the then prevailing drought dent Fund CommiSSIOner Karampura, Deihl conditIOns and to concentrate only on es dunng the last two years, State-wise sentlal repairs and day to day maintenance (b) the number of cases out of them (C') The work ofglazmg of verandah had disposed of In three months, SIX months and recommended In 1988 after the ban was one years' time separately, relaxed

(d) 17 so far as R K Puram New Deihl (C) the number of cases Iymg pending IS concerned for more than three months together With the reasons therefor [ Traf'siatlon]

Specialised Cer··>=>Cl. 10r Cancer Patients (d) the numberof cases from Punjab are pending partICularly the Bntlsh Motor Car Comp~' f JalanJhar and other States and

6440 SHRIMATI JA,(AWAN II NAV- INCHANDRA MEHTA WIll the Mm~ster of (e) the steps being taken by Govern- HEAL TH AD FAMIL YWELFARE be pleased ment to dispose of these cases expedi- to state tiously? 113 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 114

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND (c) to (9). The requisite information is WELFARE (SHRt RAM VILAS PASWAN): being collected and will be placed on the (a) and (b). The requisite information is as Table of The Sabha. given in the attached Statement. 115 Written Answers APRIL 25. 1990 Written Answers 116

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[English) (c) jf no organisation is receiving such cloth, the steps contemplated to be taken to Modernisation Loans to Textile Industry ensure that NTC supplies cloth to these organisation in Bihar? 6442. SHRI SHANTILAL PURUSHOT- TAMDAS PATEL: Wilt the Minister of TEX- THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND TILES be pleased to state: MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV): (a) (a) the amount of loan given to the No, Sir. textile industry for modernisation during last three years. year-wise: (b) Does not anse.

(b) whether the sick mills have tur'1ed (c) In case any such organisation ap- Into profitabel undertakings: and proaches, NTC will be willing to consider (c) not, the reasons thereof? each such case on merits and as per policy THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND guidelines laid down In this regard. MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV): (a) A (EnglIsh] sum of Rs. '40 74 crores was disbursed till 1987, Rs 16684 crores In ~988 & 149.18 Textiles Workers Rehabilitation Fund crores In 1989 under the Textile Modernisa- Scheme. tion Fund 6445. SHRI SHANKERSINH (b) and (c) While productivity of the VAGHELA: units assisted under the Scheme had gener- SHRI KASHI RAM RANA: ally Improved. profitability did not Improve In all cases. as modernisation IS only one of the Will the MinlsterofTEXTILES be pleased Imputes In Improving the health of sick units. to state:

[ Translation) (a) whether Government of Gujarat have urged Union Government to set up NTC Policy for Cottage and Mini public sector projects in Ahmedabad to pro- Industry in Private Sector vide employment to the unemployed workers of closed textile mills: 6444. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA. Will the Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to (b) If so, the reaction of Government state: thereto:

(a) whether the National Textile Corpo- (c) whether State Government of Gujarat ration IS practIcally pursuing a pohcyto supply has asked for making payment against the cut-pieces to cooperatives based on self- terminal benefits to the workers of closed employment and to t;ottage Industries and T ~){tile Mills from out of funds of TWRFS; nllnl Industries in the private sector :or making readymnde garments: (d) If so, the action taken thereon;

(b) if so, 'he names of orgnlsallons In (6) whether UnIon Government pro- Bihar which are receIVIng such cloth from pose to reduce the Excise duty on cloth, and National Textile Corporation: and to shift it to the yarn stage as demanded by 119 Written AnsW9rs APRIL 25, 1990 Written AnS"1S 120

State Government of Gujarat: and 49.3 crores for a annual irrigation of about 26536 hectares is under techno-economic (f) If so, the reactIOn of Government appraisal at the Centre. thereto? (c) Etghth Five Year Plan proposals THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND have not been finalised. MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV). (a) [English] Yes, Sir Effect of High 011 Prices on Deep Sea (b) The State Government has been Fishing advised to submit their specific proposal In thiS regard to the appropnate MInistry/De- 6447 SHRI P.J. KURIEN. partment In the Government of India SHRI D AMAT:

(c) Yes, Sir Will the MInister of FOOD PROCESS- ING INDUSTRIES be pleased to state (d) The matter has been discussed With the ChIef Minister. GUJarat and taken up WIth (a) whether high 011 prices and low the concerned Departments shrimp catches have aHected the deep sea fishing Industry, and (e) and (f) Th@ question of rationalisa- tIon of excise duty on yarnltabncs has been (b) If so, the steps being taken to help conSidered In the recent budget thiS Industry?

[ Trans/atlon] THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND Irrigation Projects of Himachal Pradesh MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- DUSTRIES (SHAI SHARAD YADAV)· (a) 6446 SHAI K 0 SULTANPURI Will and (b) According to a representation re- the MinIster of WATER RESOURCES be ceIved from the Association of Indian f;Ish- pleased to state ery Industries, there are several factors In- cludIng hIgh 011 pnces & Icwflsh catch whICh (a) whether Umon Government have have affected the deep sea fishing Industry received proposals regarding certain Irriga- recently As and when affected companies tIon projects from Government at Himachal request Govel nmentlSCICI for rehabilita- Pradesh, tion aSSIstance, such requests are conSid- ered on merits No further permission for (b) rt so, the details thereof, and Introduction of deep sea shnmp trawlers IS grv'en. A scheme has been formulated under (c) the amount likely to be allocated 1990-91 plan scheme for modificatIon of therefor In the EIghth F,ve Year Plan? eXIsting vessels for dIversified frshlng

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE R8lease of B8ggars In Deihl MINISTRY OF WA TER RESOURCES (SHRI MANUBHAI KOTADIA) (a) and (b) Only one IrrtgatlOn project, namely Shahnehar 6448. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDtA IrrigatIOn ProJecT envIsaging utilIsation of Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleased to Beas Waters, at an estImated cost of Rs state 121 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 122

(a) whether he visited the Beggars sumption does not exceed 20 kilolitres and Home In new Delhi recently and directed who are living in rural villages and resettle- some beggars to be freed; ment colonies and paying flat rate of Rs. 7.50 per month. (b) it so, the directions given by him in this regard; and Import of Raw Silk

(c) the action take thereon? 6450. SHRI SRIKANTIHA DATTA NARASIMAHARAJA WAIDYAR: Will the THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Mintster of TEXTILES be pleased to state: DEPARTMENT OF WOMEN AND CHILD DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF (a) whether Government propose to . WELFARE (SHRIMATI USHA SINHA); (a) Import raw-silk during the current financial to (c). The Minister for Welt are visited Sewa year: Kutir, Kingsway Camp, Deihl, on 17th March 1990, ad Interviewed a few of the Inmates. (b) if so, the details thereof; After reviewing the cases of those persons who apparently did not appear to be beg- (c) whether the Import of raw-silk IS gars, 58 Inmates were Identified personally likely to adversely affect the economy of the by the Minster, of which 13 were released on raw-silk producing States such as Karna- 17.3.90 Itself. The Minister Jar Welfare also taka: directed that all cases of the beggar home Inmates be reViewed. As a follow-up action (d) if so, whether Government propose the Delhi Administration has been advised to to review Its deciSion in the interest of such review the cases of all beggar Inmates lodged States: and In all the different Beggar Homes In Deihl. (e) If not, reasons therefor? Water Rates in Delhi THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND 6449. SHRI P.M. SAYEEO: Will the MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- Minister of URBAN DEVELOPMENT be DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV): (a) pleased to state: and (b). The import of silk is allowed only under export promotion schemes of Import (a) whether Umon government have Export Policy. The Import of silk for indige- received any representation against the nous consumptIOn is however not generally enhanced rates of water by representatIOn encouraged to protect the indigenous IndUS- against the enhanced rates of water by the try. In the wake of short supplies and in- Municipal Corporation of Deihl, crease in prices the Government had granted an adhoc permission to the Central Silk (b) if so, the details thereof: and Board in the year 1988 for import of 100 tonnes of raw silk for prices stabilisation (c) the reaction of Government thereto? measures. Out of this only 36 tonnes of raw silk has been imported so far. Government THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEL- has received request for extension of the OPMENT (SHRI MURASOLI MARAN): -(a) validity of adhoc permission for import of to (c). Yes Sir. The surcharge of 20% levied balance quantity, Besides this, the Govern- for the year 1990-91 has been withdrawn ment has no fresh proposal fOJ import of raw from all consumers whose monthly con- silk for indigenous consumption during the 123 Wrjfen AnsMHS APRIL 25. 1990 WriIten Answets 124 currant financial year. (b) if so. whether the facilly is ~ to be available tor some mora iIams required (c) to (e). Does not arise. for making diversified jute products: and

(c) if so. the details theraof?

THE ...ISTER OF lEXTLES AND 6451. SHRI G.K SHEKHADA: Wil the- MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- Minister of WATER RESOU~ES be DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV): (a) pleased to stale: Yas. Sir. The Government have already extended 1ha vaIdy 01 duly exemption no- (a) the details of the Irrigation proJects tificalion aIowing inport 01 certain machin- from Gutarat pending ~ umon Govern- ery ~ems for manufacIure 01 jute products ment tor cIear.mce: .., 31.12.90.

(b) the reasons for delay 111 gnmg (b) and (c). Yas Sir. In the inIerast 01 clearance to these PIOJ8CIS: and encouraging diversL:aIiun pmgranme in ".e indusbyGovemmlnl br NoIi"ICiftJn No. Ie) the steps being taken tor an eartr 288I89-Customs dalad 29.12.89 have in- dealallICe to these prOJedS' cluded ten more .ems 01 macnnery mostly required tor manuIatture 01 civersiiad jute TIE MWISTER OF STATE OF 1HE products to 1ha duly _emption NoIKaIioI. MNSTRYOFWAlERREscx.lCES(SHRI No. 489I86-CusaDrrI dated 18.12.86. MANUBHAI KOTADIA): (a) 10 .ct. Six prof- acts...., - :+iQ modemIsaIiondOamwada. [TransIafioo) Bhadar. ~ TaIehwad,. ~ par and Kancut Canal systerr .- an esb- rnaledcosl of atxu As. 171 cmres 10 benef~ neartr 88.6 1housand hectares have been techno-economic appraised and found 6453. SHRI ANWAR AHMAD: Wil1he acceptable by the Advisory Commtltee ~ to MinlSler of WATER FESOURCES be January. 1989. but the State Government pleased to st'-e: has to arrange among 0Ihers. cJo...arance from enviroIW"rMn and forest angles forthese projects. In addition. Watrak ReservoIr Proj- (a) ...tlether Gangaghat Nagar Paika ect has been received In January. 1990 for area in Umao district of Uttar Pradesh is teChno«:onomic apflfalSat beWlg eroded by the nver Ganga:

(b) whether this has posed a danger to 6452. SHRI KS_ RAO: WiI the Minister the rai and road bridges axlnacMg Unna> 01 TEXTl.ES be pleased to state: adKanpw;

(a) whether GovemmenI propose to (c) if so. the steps taken byGovemment extend 1he faciiIy 01 duty tree import 01 in 1his ragcW; and madtinety used tor manufacture m jute producIs ~ 31 December. 1990: (d) if not. 1ha reasons thareIor? 125 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 126

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE be pleased to state. MINISTRYOFWATERRESOURCES(SHRI MANUBHAI KOTADIA} (a) Yes, Sir (a) the number of person against whom action had been taken under Essential (b) to (d) As a scheme costing Rs Commodities Act, '955 dunng the last three 20 23 crores having tnter-aha 7 25 Km months embankment and 13 spurs was nat found economically viable by the State Govern- (b) whether Government propose to ment, a prOject with a multipurpose barrage further strengthen the ban as enVisaged upstream of the rail brtdge with about 7 Km under the Act to check hoarding and profl- downstream marginal bound on Unnao side teertng. and has been formul"ltpd by the State Govern- ment an the Ilnee:; of the recommendations (C) If so, the action propasedtobe taken made by the Committee apPOinted by the In the matter? Centre

(EnglIsh] THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA) Action under Essential CommoditIes (a) Available information of the results 01 the Act action taken by various States IU Ts under the Essential Commodrtles Act 1955 (E C 6454 SHRI S KRISHNA KUMAR Will Act, 1955) dUring December 1989 to Febru- the M,nlsterof FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES ary, 1990 IS indicated below

No of RaJdas mao p Perso('s arrested Value of good confIscated (Rs In lakhs)

2 3

21055 1342 2695

(b) and (c) The vanous orders Issued (a I the amount of compensation given under E C Act el1vlsage different types of to a worker by a private Ltd companylfactory r~gulatlons The Implementation of control an becoming disabled while discharging hiS orders rests With the State governments duties U T Administrations They have been advised from time to time for strict ad system- (b) whether any additional compensa- atiC enforcement of the Act With a view to tion 'pension IS given by E S I CorporatIOn, keeping a check and punishing malpractices (c) If so, the details thereof. and

Facilities to Workers by Private Firms (d) the cntena fixed tor grant of compensation In such cases?

6455 SHRI GUMAN MAL LOOHA Will THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND the Minister of LABOUR he ple3sed to state WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN) 127 Written Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Written Answers 128

(a) to(d). The employees of the private (b) Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic companies/factories covered under ESI Substances Act, 1985 already provide for 3cheme are entitled to disablement/depen- apprehension. treatment and rehabilitation dants' benefit under the scheme. The rate cl of drug addicts. benefit is about 70% of the wages of the employees at the time of his disablement! (c) Does not arise. death. The srnplovees of the private compa- nieslfactories which are not covered under [ Translation] the ESI scheme, will be eligible for payment of compensation under the Workmen's Jute Mills in Bihar compensation Act. 1923 provided they are employed in any of the hazardous employ- 6457. SHRI SURYA NARAYAN ment specified under the Act. The rates of YADAV: Will the Minister of TEXTILES be compensation for disablement ranges be- pleased to state: tween Rs. 24,0001- to Rs. 1.14,000.'- and for death from Rs. 20,000/- to Rs. 90,000 de- (a) whether Government propose to set pending on the wages and the age of the up jute mills in Bihar especially in Saharsa workmen at the time of his death. The com- district: pensation in this case IS payable by concerned employer. (b) if so, the details of proposal ceceived in this regard: and Legislation Against Drug Addiction Among Students (C) the follow-up action taken thereon?

6456. SHRI S.T. PA TIL: Will the Minis- THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND ter of WELFARE be pleased to state: MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV): (a) (a) whether it is a fact that drug addic- No, Sir. tion is on the increase among students, both boys ad girls: (b) and (c). Do not arise.

(b) if so, whether Government propose Essential Commodities to Madhya to bring forward a legislation to check the Pradesh For Adivasis drug addiction in country: and 6458. SHRI RESHAM LAL JANGDE: (c) if so, the details thereof? Will the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES be pleased to state: THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE DEPARTMENT OF WOMEN AND CHILD (a) the quantity of wheat, rice and other DEVELOPMENT INTO MINISTRY OF essential commodities supplied by union WELFARE (SHRIMATI USHA SINHA): (A) government during 1988-89 and 1989-90 no national survey report is available to under Integrated Tribal Development Proj- conclude that the incidence of drug addiction ect for Tribal Subplan areas of Madhya is On the increase among the students. Pradesh; and However, studies conducted in 1986-87 in 9 cities amongst students showed that the (b) the names of sub-plan areas and problem had not generally increased since modified Area Development Agency areas 1976. in Raipur district where above items wer,e 129 Written Answers VAISAKHA5, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 130 supplied? prices in Integrated Tribal Development Project (ITDP) areas and the tribal majority SHRI MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL States. The quantities of wheat and rice SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): issued by the Food corporation of India to (a) Only wheat and rice are distributed under Madhya Pradesh under scheme during 1988- the Government of India's scheme for sup- 89 and 1989-90. are indicated below: ply of foodgrains at specially subsidised

Provisional (in thousand tones)

Wheat Rice

2 3

1988-89 135.6 89.7

1989-90 66.7 60.6 (April, 89 - December., 89)

(b) The aforementioned scheme cov- list of the I.T.D. Ps. in Madhya Pradesh is ers the areas falling under ITOPs. MADA given in the attached statement. areas are not covered under the scheme. A

STATEMENT

The list of Integrated Tribal Development Projects in Madhya Pradesh

SI. No. Name of ITOP Name of district

2 3

1. Jhabua Jhabua

2. Alirajpur Jhsbua

3. Ohar Dhar

4. Kukshi Dhar

5. Barwarii Khargone

6. Khargone Khargone

7. Sendhwa Khargone 131 Written Answers APRil 25, 1990 Written Answers 132

51 No Nameo! ITOP Name of dIstrict

2 3

8 Maheshwar Khargone

9 Khalwa Khandwa

10 Jagdalpur Bastar

11 Bhanupratappur Bastar

12 Naralnpur Bastar

13 Kondagaon Bastar

14 Dantewada Bastar

15 Konta Bastar

16 81japur Bastar

17 Gandband Ralpur

18 Dondl Durg

19 ChOWKI Ralnandgaon

20 Ambrkapur SurguJa

21 SuraJPur SurguJa

22 8arl-.unthpur SurguJa

23 Pal (RamanuJganJ) SurguJa

24 Katghora Brlaspur

25 Gaurel\a Brlaspur

26 JashpLJrnagar Ralgarh

27 DharamJargarh Ralgarh

28 Mandla Mandla 133 Written Answers VAISAKHAS, 19]2 (SAKA) Written Answers 134

51. No. NameoflTDP Name of district

2 3

29. Dlndon Mandla

30 Nrwas Mandla

31. Balhar Balaghat

32 lakshanadon Soom

33 Tamla Chhlndwara

34 Sausar (8IChhua) Chhldwara

35 Kundam Jabalpur

36 Kusml Sldhl

37 Deosar Sldhl

38 Shahdol Shahdol

39 Pushparajgarh Shahdol

40 JalStngflagar Shahdol

41 Bandhogarh Shal'ldol

42 Betul Betul

43 Bhalndehl Betul

44 Saline Ratlarn

45 Kural Seonl

46 Dewas Dewas

47 Karahal Morena

48 Kosla Hoshangabad

49 Harda Hoshangabad 135 Written Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Written Answers 136

[English] [ Translation]

Import of Darnia Taskarl Bhl Hotl Hal Anath Bachon KI

6460. SHRI RAM SAJIWAN: Will the 6462. SHRI SARJU PARASAD SAAOJ: Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleased to WELFARE be pleased to state. state:

(a) whether Drugs C()ntroller of India (a) whether Government's attention has refused peimlsslon for the Import of has been drawn to the news Item captioned Darnla Plant. a combination of Homeopathic "Taskart bhl hoti Hai Anath Bachon Ki" ap- drugs, In May. 1987 pearing In the 'Jansatta' dated 10 Apn11990:

(b) whether In spite of lack of permission (b) If so, the details of action being taken Darnla plant was Imported In October. 1987 by Government In thiS regard: and IS betng sold freely I~ Ie cuntry. and (e) whether Government propose to (c) whether Gover nment are aware that look Into the problems of the children In this combination violates the Drugs and MagiC SO S. children's Villages at Anangpur (Fart- Remedies Act. If so what action has been dabad) and at other places to ascertain the laken In thiS regard? total number of children there three years before and at present and the number of THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE children who had to leave those children's MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY villages. and WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD) (a) Yes. Sir. Permission for Import at Damla (d) the action being taken by Govern- plant and not Darnla plant was refused to M menttocheck exodus of children and agatnst s ASSOCiated AgenCies. Delhllrf March 1987 the persons responSible for thiS malprac- and not In May 1987 tice?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (b) The Import of Damla plant was DEPARTMENT OF WOMEN AND CHILD perrlltted In Octaoer 1987 alter receipt Of DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF necessary clanflcatlon Horn tne Importe' WELFARE (SHRIMATI USHA SINHA) (a) to (a, The Informatior IS being collected and Will be laid on the Table of the House (C) A consignment of Damlo. plant was Imported In October, 1987 by Mis ASSOCI- [English] ated AgenCies through Bombay Port Some of the claims made In the package Insert Jute Boxes for Packaging accompanied wltn thiS drug contravened the provIsions of the Drugs and MagiC Rem!:'- 6463 SHRI T BAlA GOUD dies (ObJectionable Advertisement) Act and SHRIMATI J JAMUNA Rules The firm was therefore asked to SHRI B.N.REDDY: delete the Objectionable claims on the pack- SHRI K.S RAO. age Insert The con5lgf1ment was released after the firm de:eted theobJectlonablecialms Will the MlnlsterofTEXTILES be pleased from the package Insert 10 state 137 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 138

(a) whether the experiment for using Mills Under NTC In West Bengal the jute boxes developed at the initiative of Jute Manufacturing Development Council 6464. SHRI B.N. REDDY: for packing apples had a good response and SHRI T.BALA GOUD: proved successful; Will the MinisterofTEXTILES be pleased (b) if so, the number of jute boxes for to state: packinr apples in 1989: (a) whether 14 mills under the charge of (c) whether government have received the National Textile Corporation in West suggestions for promoting the use at Jute Bengal are running in loss in comparison to boxes for packing fruits like oranges and some NTC subsidiaries located in different grapes also: regions in the country;

(d) whether the Jute Manufacturing (b) if so, whether a committee has Development Council hos also considered recently been constituted to go into the the maner and suggested the efforts should working of these mills: be made to intensify promotional campaign for diversified jute goods: and (c) if so, the composition and terms of reference of the Committee; (e) it so, whether the council has been permined to partIcIpate in all important na- (d) whether the Committee has submit- tional and international Trade Fairs? ted its report; and

THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND (e) If so, the details of the recommenda- MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- tions of the committee and the action taken DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV): (a) thereon? Yes, Sir. The inltla! response was good THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND (b) Around 20.000 Jute boxes were MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- used for packing apples In 1989 In three DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV): (a) States ViZ: UP. HP. and J&K. Yes, Sir.

(c) Yes, Sir. (b) Yes, Sir.

(d) & (e). Jute Manufactures Develop- (c) Government has constituted a ment Council being the nodal agency for Committee, comprising Chief Secretary, Jute diversifIed Products has been making Government of West Bengal and Chairman- all out efforts to intenSify promotional cam- cum-managing Director. NTC (Holding paign for these products. Company), New Delhi to look into the problems of NTC mills located in West Bengal and to suggest remedial measures. The Council has been partiCipating In Impor- terms of reference and objectives of the tant national and international trade fairs. It Committee shall be as follows: has also organised some failS on its own. DeCision on its partiCipation In fairs/exhibi- (i) Identification of the reasons tions is taken by conSidering various rele- contributing towards cash vant factors. losses and net losses'suffered 139 Written AnsW'9ts APRil 25. 1990 Written AnSW'91S 140

by these mills during the last in view the market require- five years; ments.

(ii) Identification of reasons for low (d) No. Sir. percentage utilisat~n of spinning and processing capaci- (e) Does not arise. ties. loW yarn prodl:lction, and low market yarn sale; Flats by Slum Wing of D.D.A

(iii) Identification of other specific 6466. SHRI PRATAPRAO B. problems faced by the NTC BHOSALE: Will the Minister of URBAN mills in West Bengal: DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state:

(iv) Identification of yarn require- (a) whether any scheme was launched ments of the decentralised by slum wing of DDA for allotment of flats; spctor in West B~ngal and suggestions regarding means (b) if so, the details thereof with prices to improve quality and quan- of flats fixed in each category; tity of yarn production by the NTC mills with a view to cater (c) the details of flats to be allotted to the requirements of the during current year and next year. category- decentralised sector in the wise and loeality-wise: and State1region: and (d) the details of fiats to be allotted (v) Recommendations for future during current year and next year, category- course of action, regarding wIse and loeality-wise? points (i), (ii), (iii) and (iv) above as well as any other related THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEL- aspects-, in the form of short- OPMENT (SHRI MURASOLI MARAN): (a) term remedial measures as Yes, Sir. well as long-term plans, so as to ensure the economic viabil- (b) Under the Residential Flats Regis- Ity of NTC Subsidiary's Opera- tration Scheme, 1985; the price of the allot- tions in West bengal keeping ted flats in different localities is as under

Locality Ground Floor First Floor Second Floor Top Floor

2 3 4 5

Figures in rupees

Madipur 54,098 51,201 51,201 51.201

Jahagirpuri 51,597 48,800 48,800 48,800

Sarai Rahill 66,000 62,800 68,800 51,500

Raghubir Nagar 55,866 52,876 52,876 52,876 141 Wntten Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answ91S 142

(c) 1264 flats have been allotted as per details given below:

51. No. Category-wise posItion No. of flats allotted

2 3

General 903

2 Scheduled Castes 316

3 PhYSically handicapped 13

4 Ex-servicemen 13

5 Widows 19

Locality-wise positIon

SI No Name of the locality No of flats allotted

2 3

Madlpur near DSIDC 552

2 Madlpur 'E Block 320

3 Jahanglrpun 136

4 Raghublr Nagar 144

5 Saral Rohilla 112

(d) Plans for allotment of flats during 1990-91 and 1991-92 are as under

1990-91

SI No Locality No of flats

2 3

Boulward Road 150

2 Tllak Nagar (near Gurdwara 288 143 Written Answers APRil 25, 1990 Written Answers 144

51. No. Locality No. of flats

2 3

3. Raghubir Nagar adjacent to Over head Tank 144

4. Jahanglrpuri 56

5. Sunlight Colony 12

6. Sarai Kale Khan Phase II 250

906

1991-92

7. Mangolpuri Phase I 192

8. Mangolpurl Phase II 192

9. Raghublr Nagar Phase I Raghublr Nagar Phase II 192

10. Raghub!r Nagar Phase III 144

11. Raghublr Nagar Phase IV 112

992

Punjab Red Cross Society (c) if so, indicate measures taken in this regard? 6467. SABA SUCHA SINGH· Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMilY THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE WELFARE be pleased to state: MINISTRY OF HEALTH AD FAMilY WEL- FARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): (a) (a) the organisational st.ructure of the According to the information received from Punjab Red Cross Society; the Indian Red Cross Society, the PU(ljab State Branch is one of the State Branches of the Indian Red Cross society formed under (b) whether complaints of misuselforc- Indian Red Cross Society Act XV of 1920 of ible collection of funds by the officers has Parliament. Its headquarters is Chandigarh. been received: The Governor of Punjab is the President and 145 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 146 the Chief Minister, Punjab (when in position) (c) by which time is it likely to be is the Vice-President and Chairman of the completed? managing Body of the State Branch. First lady of the Punjab Raj Bhavan and the wife THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE of the chief Minister, Punjab. are Pro-Vice MINISTRYOFWATER RESOURCES (SHRI Presidel'lts. Managing Body consists of 55 MANUBHAI KOTADIA): (a) to (c). Accord- members of which 4 are nominated, 10 ex- Ing to Annual Plan Document (1990-91) of officio, 9 elected, 4 co-opted, 12 social work- the State Government, this first Plan Project ers and 12 representatives of the District stands completed by the end of Seventh Red Cross Branches. Indian Red Cross Plan. Society, Punjab State Branch has District Red Cross B. anches In all the 12 Districts of Recognition of UCMS the State with Deputy Commissioners as President. 6469. PROF. VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA: (b) and (c). Indian Red Cross Society SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHER- has Informed that no complaint of lEE: mlsuse.forcible collection of funds by the officers has been received. However, in a Will the Minister of HEALTH AND memorandum submitted by Gram Pan- FAMIL Y WELFARE be pleased to state: chayat, Bandatanu, Btock Zira of F~rozepur District to the Governor on his VISit to Fero- (a) whether Government's attention has zepur, It was represented that Government been drawn to the demand of the National should stop raising funds for the Red Cross forum of Teachers for recognition of Univer- as It was considered a burden on the public. sity College of Medical Sciences (UCMS) by The matter was referred to the Deputy the Medical Council of India; and Commissioner and President of the District Red Cross Branch, Ferozepuy. who has in- (b) if so, the reason for not giving formed the Indian Red Cross Society thatthe recognition to the University College of collections are made on voluntary basis and Medical Sciences? used for promotIon of health, prevention of disease and mitigation of suffering cause by THE MINISTER OF STATE OF HEAL TH Natural or man-made epidemics such as AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHR! RASHEED wars and floods. ~ASOOD): (a) and (b). The Central Govern- ment have already clarified that MBBS de- Bhimsagar Irrigation Project of Rajast- gree awarded by the Delhi University to the han students of University College of Medical SCiences is a recognised medical qualifica- 6468. SHRIMATI VASUNDHARA tion and the University College of Medical RAJE: Will the Mrnister of WATER Sciences is a recognised medical college for RESOURCES be pleasGd to state: the purposes of Indian Medical Council Act, ~956. (a) the date of the commencement of the Bhimsagar Medium Irrigation Project in Construction of Out-Fall Struct'Jres in Jhalawar district of Rajasthan: Yamuna Vihar 6470. SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHER- (b) the progress made In the completion JEE : Will the Minister of URBAN of that project: and DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state: 147 Written Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Written Answers 148

(a) whether permanent out-fall struc- The revised project report has not been tures are proposed to be constructed by the received from the State Government. Flood Control Department, Delhi Admini- stration onthe storm watardrains of Yamuna [English] Vihar: Labour Force (b) the scheduled date for completion of the construction of out-fall structure and the 6472. SHRI KAILASH MEGHWAl: Will time by which these works are likely to be the Minister of LABOUR be pleased to state: completed; and (a) the estimated numberof labourforce (c) the reasons for the delay, if any and in the organised sector and unorganised. the action taken in this regard? sector, separately, Statewise;

THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEL- (b) number of them fuMy employed OPMENT (SHRI MURASOll MARAN): (a) partially employed and unemployed; and to (c). The information is being collected and will be laid on the Table of the Sabha. (c) tne difference in the wage levels in organised sector and unorganised sector? [ Translation] THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND Chambal Command Area Development WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN): Project, Phase-II (a) and (b). The number employed in the organised sector as available from the 6471. SHRI GIRDHARI LAL Employment Market Information Programme, BHARGAVA: 'Nill the Minister of WATER is furnished Statewise for March, 1989 in the RESOURCES be pleased to state: enclosed statement. Information on the number of employed in the unorganised (a) whether the Chambal Command sector is not available. However, the number Area Development project, Phase-II has of the usually employed in Principal Status, since been forwarded to the World Bank the usually employed in subsidiary status through Department of Economic AffaIrs; and the unemployed (according to principal and subsidiary status), as available from the (b) if so, when it was forwarded: and 43rd round of survey of the National Sample Survey Organisation, during 1987-88 are (c) if not, the reason therefor and the also furnished in the enclosed statement. time by which it is proposed to be forwarded?

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (c) As per available information, under MINISTRY OFWATER RESOURCES (SHRI payment of Wages Act, covering workers MANUBHAI KOlADlA): (a) No, SIr. drawing upto Rs. 1600/- per month, the average all-India per capita daily earnings in (b) Does not arise. the factories, mines and plantation sector (C?rganised) was As. 34.62 during 1986. In (c) The project proposal was examined the unorganised sector as per available in- and the Government of Rajasthan were formation, the minimum wages for agricul- requested to send a revised project report tural workers vary from Rs. 8.50 to Rs. 33.80 indicating inter-alia up-to-date cost estimates. per day in different parts of the country. 149 Wl'iten AnSW81S VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnSW91S 150

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Diploma Course In Homeopathic Regularlsatlon of Services In Central Pharmacy Warehousing Corporation

6473. SHRIGANGACHARAN LOOHI: 6474. SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA: Will the MInister of HEALTH AND FAMILY Will the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL WELFARE be pleased to state SUPPLIES be pleased to state:

(a) whether there IS Government recog- (a) whether Government propose to nised College/Institution for the Diploma regularrse the services of daily rated staff of Course In Homeopathic Pharmacy; Central WarehOUSing Corporation; and

(b) If not, the reasons therefor. (b) If not, the reasons therefor?

(c) whether unqualified persons are THE MINISTER OF ;:000 AND CIVIL recruited to work as Homeopathic pharma- SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): Cists In its vanous Dispensaries/Hospitals In (a) and (b). Central Warehousing Corpora- the country; tion has been engaging persons on daily rated/casual basis on limited scale mainly in the cadre of Sweeper/Chowkidar and WAG- (d) whether Government have received " depending upon exigencies of work. De- any request for Introducing Diploma Course pending upon availability who are eligible as In Homeopathy and If so, the details thereof; per recruitment instructions are considered and for regularisation in accordance With the orders Issued by the Government from time (e) the follow-up action tah.en thereon? to time.

[ Translation] THE: MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY Allocation to Chambal Ayacut for WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD) Purchasing Machines (a) and (b) There IS no Centrally recognised college/Institution conducting Dlplomacourse 6476 SHRI CHHABIRAM ARGAL: Will In Homeopathic Pharmacy the MInister of WATER RESOURCES be pleased to state:

(c) Under the Central Government (a) whether any allocation has been Health Scheme only persons who fulfil the made In 1990-91 for the Irrrgation Depart- qualifications and expenence as laid down In ment of Chambal Ayacut for purchaSing new the notified recruitment rules are recruited to machines; the posts of Homeopathic Pharmacists. (b) if so, the details thereof;

(d) and (e) Diploma Course In (c) If not, whether Union Government Homeopathy has ~een introduced In Ho- propose to make allocation for the same; moeopathlc colleges in accordance wrth and Homoeopathy (Diploma Course) Regula- tions, 1983 duly notdled by the Central Council (d) If so, the time by which this is likely of Homeopathy. to be made? 159 Written Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Written Answers 160

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 8. Post Graduate Institute of Medical MINISTRY OFWATER RESOUR'CES (SHRI Education & Research, Chandi- MANUBHAI KOTADIA): (a) No allocation garh. has been made in 1990-91 for the Irrigation Department (M.P. State) for Chambal Ayacut 9. SSKM Hospital, Calcutta. for purchasing of New Machines. 10. N.M. Wadia Institute of Cardiology, (b) Budget has not been yet finalised. Puns.

(c) and (d). Nil 11. Apollo Hospital, Madras.

[English] 12. Nizam Institute of Medical Sciencews, Hyderabad. Facilities for Open Heart Surgery 13. Medical College and Hospital, Ti· 6477. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL: vancrum. Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state the name of 14. Batra Hospital, New Delhi. the hospitals/centres. in the country where open heart surgery iacilities are available at 15. Escorts heart Institute, New Delhi. present? Amendment to the Workmen's Com- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE pensation Act MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): A 6478. SHRISArJATKUMARMANDAl: statement giving the names of hospitalsl Will the Minister of LABOUR be pleased to centres in the country, where open heart state: surgery facilities are available is enciosed. (a) whether there is a proposal to bring STATEMENT forward a legislation to amend the Workers Compensation Act, 1923 1. Southern Railways Hospital, Per- ambur, Madras. (b) if so the details thereof?

2. Christian Medical College and THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND Hospital, Vellore. WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN): (a) Yes, Sir. 3. KEM Hospital, Bombay. (b) The details of the proposal are yet to 4. All India Institute of Medical Sci- be finalised. ences, New Delhi. [ Translation] 5. Bombay Hospital. Bombay New-Item Captioned "Nackli va Kharab 6. G.B. Pant Hospital, New Delhi. Da~aon Ka Giroh Sakriya" 6479. SHRI SANTOSH KUMAR 7. Sree Chitra Tirumal Institute of GANGWAR: Will the Minister of HEALTH Medical Sciences, Trivandrum. ANDFAMIL YWELFARE be pleased to state: 161 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 162

(a) whether attention of Govornment Development Authority's land in Lawrence has been drawn to the news item appearing Road Industrial Area. However, some new in the Bare illy edition of daily 'Jagaran' dated jhuggies are reported to have come up on 19th and 20th January, 1990 under the land belonging to the Railways. caption "nakli ya Kharab Davaon ka Giroh Sakriya" stating that the insects and ants had (b) to (d). Firm policy of the government been found in the bottles of glucose and vials is not to permit fresh encroachments and to of injections: take immediate steps for their removal. Control Rooms have also been set up by the local agencies to facilitate prompt reporting (b) if so, the facts thereof: and of encroachment by public. In view of these steps Government do not consider a sepa- (c) the action being taken by the Gov- rate inquiry necessary. ernment in this regard? [English] THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): Promotion of Edible Oil industry (a) to (c). the in10rmation is being collected and will be laid on the table of the Sabha. 6481. SHRIMATI BASAVA RAJESWARI: Will the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES be pleased to state: Raising of Jhuggies in Lawrence Road Industrial Area (a) whether Union Government propose to constitute working group for the promotion of edible oil industry in the group 6480. SHRI R.N. RAKESH: Will the for the promotion of edible oil industry in the Minister of URBAN DEVELOPMENT be country as demanded by States of Karna- pleased to s~ate: taka and West Bengal;

(b) if so. the action taken thereon: (a) whether a large number of new jhuggies have been ra:sed In Lawrence Road (c) the number of edible oils unrts func- Industrial area, New Delhi: tioning fn the country. State-wise; and

(b) if so, the steps taken by Government (d) the steps being taken to promote to prevent such raising of Jhuggies: edible oil units in the States;

(c) whether government propose to THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL conduct a detailed enquiry into the matter SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): and get the jhuggies removed: and (a) No such proposal has been received.

(d) if so, when and if not, the reasons (b) Question does not anse. therefor? (c) A statement is enclosed. THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEL- OPMENT (SHR! MURASOLI MARAN): (a) (d) As a matter of polley, edible oil units No fresh jh"uggies have been raised on Delhi are allowed to be set up in the states having 163 Written Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Written Answers 164

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Export of Garment (a) whether Government had suffered a loss In a transaction InvolVing Import of ed- 6482 SHRI SANTOSH KUMAR Ible 0115 dUring 1989, GANGWAR Will the Minister of rEXTILES be pleased to state (b) If so, the pricing pohcy laid down In thiS regard, (a) whether grant IS give" to the garment exporters (C) whether thiS has resulted In profl- teenng as the prices of Imported edible Oils (b) If so whether the grants sanctioned were fixed low at the first Instance and later for 1989-90 has been released to the gar- on It was sold to consumers at much higher ment exporters of Uttar Pradesh and rates and

(c) If not the reasons theretor? (d) If so, the details In thiS regard

THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL FOOD PROCESSING INDUSTRIES (SHRI SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA) SHARAD YADAV) (a) MDA grant IS re- (a) No, SIT leased to AEPC for approved export promotion activities and not directly to garment (b) The Issue pnce of Imported edible exporters Oils supphed under PDS IS reVised from time to time keeping In view derived prICes of (b) DUring 1989 90 tf)ree exporters edible oris based on support prices for from Uttar Pradesh participated In the MDA ollseeds, prices of Imported eligible Oils In approved events the international market, aval~abllrty of foreign exchange, customs duty and other re- (c) Does not anse lated factors

Import of Edible Oils (c) and (d) No,Slr The details of Issue pnce to State Govts and the ceiling on retail 6483 SHRI RAJVEER SINGH W,IIthe prices to consumers IS as follows The table Mlntster of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES be would show that no profiteering IS Involved

For all supplIes In bulk For all supplIed In 15 kg tinS

Central Issue Prrce Rs 131501- PMT Rs 14,500

MaXimum cetllng prtces Recommended to States! Rs 1540/- Kg Rs 1660/- Kg UTs for retail sale 175 W"tten Answers APRIL 25. 1990 Written Answers 176

Import of Soyabean oil [English]

6484 SHRI RAJ VEER SINGH Will the Improvement In the Quality of TextlJe Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES be Products pleased to state 6485 SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA (a) whether Government are Importing Will the Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to soyabean 011 from Ameqca, Brazil, Argen- state tina and other European Countnes (a) whether Government have taken (b) If so, the reasons tberefor. and measures to diversify production base, strengthen manufactUring facIlities and (c) the steps taken to Increase soy- Improve the quality of textile products and abean Yield In the country? (b) If so, the details thereof? THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA) THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND (a) No Sir MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV) (a) (b) Does not anse and (b) Government have taken a number of measures for diversification of production (c) Two centrally sponsored proJects, base, strengthening manufactUring facIlities namely the National Oilseed Development and Improve the quality of textile products Project (NODP) and Ollseeds Production The measures taken Inter-aha Include IIber- Thrust Project (OPTP) are In operation In the altsatlon of licenSing procedure for settlng- Important oilseed growing States for Increas- up of new spinning and processing units. Ing production and Yields of different ollseeds creatton of a textile unlt~ Apart from thiS, the laid on the follOWing areas Import-export policy also permits Import of modern sophisticated textile machinery under Demonstration of Improved tech- OGL procedure as well as Import of certain nology types of textile machinery under conces- sional rate of custom duty Will also permlrted to be Imported 15 powerloom service centres Large scale Production of founda- are also working under the administrative tion and certified seeds control of the Textile Commissioner ior ren- dertng SUitable help to the powerloom mdus- Supply of farm Implements try These centres also develop new deSigns for the textile Industry Dlstnbutlon of seed fertilizer, mlnl- kits, chemicals [Translation I

Plant protection measures etc Rice Mills in Uttar Pradesh

6486 SHRI RAJVEER SINGH Will the As a result 0 promoting measures, the Minister of FOOD PROCESSING INDUS- production of soyabean has Increased from TRIES be pleased to state 8 98 lakh tonnes In 1987-88 to ~ 5 lakh tonnes In 1988-89 (a) the number of lIcences Issued for 177 Wotten Answers VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 178 opening Of new rice mills In Uttar Pradesh In the case of those who were liVing 10 Deihl dunng the last three years before 1 1 1981, may be gIven

(b) the locatIons of such units and (d) Matter IS under scrutinY of SDM, Shahdara, Deihl (c) the number of mills out of those whIch have started functlonrng? Grants to Thakur Hariprasad Institute for Mentally Handicapped Hyderabad THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- 6488 SHRIMATr BASAVA RAJES- DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV) (a) 10 WARt W,ll the MinIster of WELFARE be (c) Irformatlon IS beIng collected and will be pleased to state laid on the Table of The Hou..,e (a) the norms under which grants-in-aid [EnglJsh J are sanctioned to Non-Governmental organisation as per General FinancIal Rules Demands of Leprosy Patients (b) whether Government have sanc- 6487 SHRIMATI BASAVA RAJES- tIoned grants to Thakur Hanprasad InstItute WARI for Mentally Handicapped, Hyderabad, SHRI G S BASAVARAJ (c) If so, under whIch norm the grant W,ll the M,nlstpr of HEALTH AND was sanctIoned FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state (d) whether grants-In-aid sanctIoned by (a) whether a number 01 leprosy pa- Government to Non-governmental organi- tIents demonstrated In front Of Prime MInIS- sations IS checked by Government strrctly ter's residence on 26 March 1990 according to the norms

\b) If so, whether any memorandum has (e) If so, whether any reservation policy been submitted to the Prrme MII"Is1er by for Scheduled Castes/Scheduled T nbes has them been laid down by Governmenttortre grants and (c) the demands made by the leprosy patients and (f) If so, the detal:s thereof?

(d) by what time Government propose THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND to consider their demands? WELFARE (SHRr RAM VILAS PASWAN) (a) Yes, Sir THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MiNISTRY OF HEAL fH AND FAMILY (b) Yes, Sir WELFARE (SHRr RASHEED MASOOD) (a) Yes, SIr (c) A copy of norms beIng followed by (b) Yes, Sir the Mrnlstry of We~are while sanctlonmg grants for voluntary OrganisatIons working (c) Their demand IS that maintenance for the welfare of dIsabled IS given In the allowance Rs 300/- per capita per month as statement below 179 WrItten Answers APRIL 25,1990 Written Answers 180

(d) Yes, Sir constructIOn of bUIlding of School/ day centre In which the no of (e) and (f) A reservation policy has students IS less than 40 and for been prescnbed for reservation of posts for the hostel In which the number of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes In Inmates IS less than 15 appointments to various posts under the Voluntary Agencies Under thiS pohcy, Vol- (6) Grantforconstructrng compound untary Agencies receiving aid under the wall Will also be given to the "Scheme 01 assistance to Organisations for institutions for mentally retarded Disabled Persons," are required to reserve 15% and 7 1/2% of posts for Scheduled Aent for Building Castes and Scheduled Tnbes respectively " If the organrsatlon has no bUild- STATEMENT Ing of Its own then reasonable rent for a rented bUilding may be Norms for giVing grant-In-aid to volun- allowed tary organisations for various purposes (I) Rs 0 50/- per sq ft per ConstructIon of Bulldmg mensem for projects located In C class c'1les The Grant of construction of bUilding IS to be based on the follOWing norms {II} Upto Rs 0 75/- per sq tt per mensem or@ 500 sq ft (1) As 50,000'- for each class room per class room of 10 room of for every ten studerts (or part) 10 students, far projects located In A class crtles (2) As 80 000'- for every ten students (or part for vocational train- III Maintenance Grant Ing or employment centre A Salary for staff for School etc (3) For Construction of hostels for students 'trainees grant-In-aid IS (I) One teacher for every ten to be sarctloned on follOWing students (or part) orfor each baSIS class In cases of mentally retarded the teacher student ASSistance IS to be prOVided for ratio should be 1 6 constructing covered area not exceeding 120 sq ft per stu- (II) MalntenancegrantforbullC: dent The Govt grant in-aid for It Ing should be worked out not to exceed Rs 12,0001 per either as 1% of the capital persan to be sanctioned for not cost or according to a fixed less than 15 students slab subject to a maximum of Rs 20,0001- (4) Th~ total grant-I'l-ald for construction of any type of bUilding IS (III) One supervisory staff for a not to exceed Rs 5 00 la~h school Two supervisory personnel are to be prOVided (5) No 9 8nl Will be sanctioned for If the strength of the school 181 Wrttten ..4nswers VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 182

exceeds 100 be sanctioned according to the (IV) Contingent expenditure Will requirements be limited to @ Rs 100/- per studentltralnee per year 2 Reasonable amount for raw matenals, electnclty, water sta- (v) TAiDA notto exceed 10%01 tionery etc may also be sanc- the salary per annum tioned The limits for these Will he 25% of the other grant sanc- (VI) The orgamsatlon must Intl- tioned In case of raw matenals, matethegrant received from 5% In case of electriCity water. other sources for the same stationary, etc each separately purpose 3 If grant IS sanctioned for raw B Stipend for studentsltratnees, In matenals then sale proceE\ds of a hostels Stipend @ Rs 150/- the finished products, If any. per month per studentltralnee should be shown In the audrted towards diet may be sanctioned accounts and properly adjusted to the organisation for their main while sanctioning grant-in-aid tenance VII Furniture and Office equipment IV Transport Allowance One table and achalrfor each studentl (I) Transport Allowance @ Rs 75/- trainee @Rs 2501- per set perchlld per month will be paid In A and B class Cities and @ Rs 2 One table & a chair for each staff 501- per child per month In other sanctioned @ Rs 3501- per set cities/towns plus 2-6 extra chairs, If asked for

(II) No grant for purchase or mainte- 3 One cup-board for each groupof nance of vehicle or other expen- ten studentsltramee (or part) & diture of transport like salary of Rs 5001- each !he Dnver etc Will be given 4 One cup-board for each supervi- v PhYSiotherapy Unit sory staff sanctioned @ Rs 500' - each For a medium-sized phYSiotherapy Unit and audiO testing unit the equipment 5 One cot, mattress, bed sheet, mentioned In Annexure may be sanc- pillow. blanket etc for each stu- tioned GUidelines for sanctlonmg T ech- dents In hostel @ Rs 5001- for OIcal staff and other eqUipments should each students be worked out In consultation with the National Institutes 6 One typewrrter tor a group of 40 students More than two type- VI Vocational Tratnlng wrltel s are not to be sanctioned 11 an Inst:tutlon has 100 students Staff and E\qulpment for the then a cyclostyllng machine may Vocational Training Units are to be prOVided 183 Written Answers APRIL 25,1990 Written Answers 184

VIII Rehabllrtatlon and Limb-fitting Centre ary The grant for any particular year will however not exceed Rs 50,000/-. The grant-In-aid for Infrastructure assistance for Implementing only For a medium-sized Physiotherapy Unit the Scheme of aids/appliances will following eqUIpment may normally be sanc- be limited to Rs 20/- per beneflcl- tioned

Short Wave Diathermy Rs 15,000/-

2 Ultra Sound Equipment Rs 12,0001-

3 Infra red equipment Rs 15,000/-

4 Paraffin Wax Bath Rs 3,0001-

5 Cervical Traction equipment Rs 1,000/- (Manual)

6 Exercise equipment ( 8 Nos) Rs 30,000/-

Note The PhYSIotherapy Unit With these equipment will be able to benefit about 10,000/- persons In a year

National Development Finance Corpo- tiona I Urban Infrastructure wIng has been ration opened In HUDCO from the year 1989-90 to render finanCial assistance to local bodIes 6490 SHRI ANADI CHARAN DAS and state level agencies for the Implementa- Will the MInister of URBAN DEVELOPMENT tIon of urban Infrastructure projects be pleased to state (b) Durtng the year 1989-90, HUDCO (a) whether Governrnent have set up has sanctIOned 24 urban Infrastructure National Urban Infrastructure Development schemes In mne states WIth a project cost of Finance Corporation as a separate DIVISIon Rs 507 crores and HUDCO' a loan as assIs- of HUDCO to render assistance to local tance of Rs 172 crores as per statement bodies other than the Centrally Sponsored attached Scheme IDSMT and NCR. and DUring the current financial year, (b) If so, the details of assistance ren- HUDCO proposes to finance urban Infra- dered to States, State-wIse, so far with de- structure schemes to the extent of Rs 400 tails of local bodies to be assisted In the crores The project proposals should, con- current year and the criteria laId down for form to the HUDCO gUidelines Preference their IdentifIcatIOn/eligibility? Will, however. be gIven to water supply, low cost sanitatIOn, sewerage and drainage THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEL- schemes and for Infrastructure schemes In OPMENT (SHRI MURASOLI MARAN) (a) small and medium towns haVing a popula- Government has not set up a separate Na- tion not more than 10 lakhs 185 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 186

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[TransJation ] completing the second stage of Malaprabha project; VerHlcation of Membership of Trade Unions (b) whether any central assistance is also being sought by Karnataka Govern- 6491. SHRI SANTOSH KUMAR ment for the project; and GANGWAR: PROF. K. V. THOMAS: (c) if so, the details thereof?

Will the Minister of LABOUR be pleased THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEL- to state: OPMENT (SHRI MURASOLI MARAN): (a) Yes, Sir. (a) whether Government have issued directives to verify the memberships of the (b) No, Sir. Trade Unions; (c) Does not arise. (b) when the work in this regard is likely to be completed; and [Translation]

(c) the details of membership of such Officers on Deputation to DDA trade unions? 6493. SHAI SHEO SHARAN VERMA: THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND Will the Ministerof URBAN DEVELOPMENT WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN): be pleased to state: (a) Formal orders pertaining to the general verification of the strength of Central Trade (a) the number of employees and Offi- Union Organisations have not be passed cers on deputation to Delhi Development yet. Authority;

(b) and (c). Do not arise. (b) the number of such employees and officers who are continuing even after expiry [Eng/ish] of their deputation terms:

Malaprabha Project of Karnataka (c) the time by which Government propose to revert them to their parent offices; 6492. SHRI V. KRISHNA RAO: and SHRI C.P. MUDALAGIRI- YAPPA: (d) if no action is proposed to be tak~n, SHRI SRIKANTHA DAnA the reasons therefor? NARASIMHA RAJA WADIYAR: THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEL- OPMENT (SHRI MURASOLI MARAN): (a) Will the Minister of URBAN DEVELOP- MENT be pleased to state: Officers - 120

(a) whether Government of Karnataka Employees 68 is seeking the help of Housing and Urban Development Corporation (HUDCO) for (b) to (d). Delhi Development Authority 191 Written Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Written AnswelS 192

has reported that no officers of Group 'A' & Government for various irrigation p'rojecls in 'B' have crossed the maximum limit of depu- Uttar Pradesh during 1989-90, project-wise; tation of 5 years. However, 19 employees of Group 'C' have been retained for more than (b) the names of such projects in Uttar 5 years in public Interest on specialised Pradesh for which the amount is likely to be posts as needed by the Delhi Development allocated during 1990-91; and Authority. (c) the amount likely to be allocated for Central Assistance for Irrigation each project? Projects in Uttar Pradesh

6494. SHRI SHEO SHARAN VERMA: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Will the Minister of WATER RESOURCES MINISTRYOFWATERRESOURCES(SHRI be pleased to state: MANUBHAI KOTADIA): (a) The revised outlay for various irrigation projects in Uttar (a) the amount allocated by Union Pradesh for 1989-90 is as under:

(Rs. in crores)

(a) Major and Medium Irrigation 253.05

(b) Minor Irrigation 140.33

(c) CAD Programme 10.94

(d) Flood Control 17.25

(b) and Ccl. Outlays for 1990-91 have had been completed; and not been finalised. (c) if not, the reasons therefor? [English] THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL C.W.C. Godowns in West Bengal SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): (a) to (c). Construction of own godowns by 6495. SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTk the Central Warehousing Corporation IS a Will the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUP- continuous process and the Corporation IS PLIES be pleased to state: regularly adding its own constructed capac- Ity all over the country including the Calcutta (a) whether the Central WarehOUSing Region. The decision to construct own Corporation had proposed to construct godowns at any centre depends on a num- Regional Office Godowns at the plots of land ber of factors, such as long term business at RIC, Benhooghly, Behala, CPT land, potential, viability of the project, cost benefit Calcutta, W.B. Government land at Lake analysis of hiring vis-a-vis own construction, Depot and NabratBarasat: etc. The poSition in regard to the specific centres mentioned in part (a) of the Question (b) if so, whether the construction work is indicated below; 193 Written Answers VAISAKHA5, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 194

1. RIC BON-HOOGHL Y - Project for 6. BARASAT - The Corporation has construction of a godown was not no plans to construct own godowns found to be economically viable for at Barasat for want of adequate storage of conventional commodI- business potential. ties like food grains fertilizers etc. Allocation for Health and Family 2. BEHALA - Suitable land for con- Planning Centres struction of a godown is not available 6496. SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY 3. CPT LAND AT TARATOLA - The WELFARE be pleased to state: Calcutta Port Trust ha offered a stretch of land in Taratola to the (a) the total amount earmarked for the CWC for construction of a ware- health centres and tam ily planni ng centres in house but it was not found suitable. Andaman and Nicobar Islands for the years 1987-88 and 1988-89; and 4. LAKE DEPOT - No land is available at laka Depot as the West Bengal Essential Commodities (b) the details of the amount spent on Corporation is constructing its own the centres during the years 1987-88 and godowns In this compels. 1988-89?

5. HABRA-Adetailed survey is being earned out to assess to the storage THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE potential and identify the commodi- MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY ties that may be available for stor- WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): age on a long term basis. Con- (a) and (b). The allocation and expenditure struction at this centre will also on health centres and family planning centres depend on availability of land at a in Andaman and Nicobarislandsduring 1987- reasonable cost. 88 and 1988-89 are as under:

(Rs. in Lakhs)

1987-88 1988-89

Allocation Expenditure Allocation Expenditure

2 3 4 5

Health Sector 140.00 209.14 214.00 232.84

Family Welfare Centres

(a) Rural Family Welfare 5.09 4.19 6.00 4.31 Centres-Sub-centres

(b) Post Partum Centres 2.85 3.94 3.50 2.30 at District level

[Translation 1 195 Written Answers APRIL2S,1990 Written AnswelS 196

banks in this regard? Daily Wage Workers THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 6497. SHRI SHOPAT SINGH DEPARTMENT OF WOMEN AND CHILD MAKKASAR: Will the Minister of LABOUR OEVELOPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF be pleased to state: WELFARE (SHRIMATI USHA SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. (a) the State-wise numberofdailywage workers In vanous State Government De- (b) and (c). According to the Constitu- partments including workers in vanous State tion (Scheduled Tribes) Order, 1950 Government Departments Including UniOn amended from time to time, Kuruba commu- Territones: and nity has been included in the list of Sched- uled Tribes, only in the Coorg district of (b) the rate of minimum daily wage fixed Karnataka State. As such persons belong- In various States? ing to this community cannot be iss'ued Scheduled Tribe certificate in Districts other THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND than Coorg district. In view of this, persons WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN): belonging to Kuruba community in other (a) Information IS not maintained by the parts of State (ex:cept Coorg district) cannot Ministry of Labour be given certificate in the name of the communities Kadu Kuruba, Jenu Kuruba. etc. (b) Under thE: Minimum Wages Act. 1948. the State Governments are the 'Ap- According to the instructions Issued from propriatE' Government' for fixation of the this Ministry from time to time, all candidates minimum rates of wages for such category of belonging to Scheduled Castes and Sched- workmen. Ministry of Labour do not maintaIn uled Tribes seekmg employment to posts thiS Information. and services under the Central Government are required to produce a certificate in the [English] preSCribed form from one of the prescribed certificate issuing authorities not below the Submission of Scheduled Tribe Certifi- rank of Tehsildar. The form of the caste cates certificate has already been circulated to all the State Governments/U.T. Administration! Ministries/Departments of Government of 6498. SHRI NARSINGRAO SURYA- India. Those Scheduled Caste/Scheduled WANSHI: Will the Minister of WELFARE be Tribe persons who have Joined In the public pleased to state Sector Undertaktngs/Corporatlons!8anks, etc. against Scheduled Caste/Scheduled (a) whether the Karnataka State Kaadu Tribe vacancies and who have not produced Kurubas andJenukurabas Welfare Associa- Scheduled Caste/Scheduled Tribe certifi- tIon represented to the UnIon Government cate in the prescribed form of certificate that the Central PublIC Undertakmgs and Circulated by the Government of India are nationalised banks should not insIst on fresh also required to produce a Scheduled Castel Scheduled Scheduled Tribe Certificates tram Scheduled Tribe certificate in the form of employees who submitted It at the tIme of certificate as referred to above in support of Initial appointment· theIr claim. Th e certificate ISSUing or recrUlt- In9 authOrities are free to do or ask for (b) if so. the reaction of Government reverifIcation of the genuineness or other- thereon: ana wIse of the backgrounds of candidates clalm- ,n9 to be Scheduled Castes or Scheduled (c) any directions have been Issued to the public undertakings and nationalised Tnbes. 197 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 198

[ Translarion] (a) the total number of primary health centres In the country at present Land Acquisition in Mandawali-Fazalpur, Delht (b) the numberof primary health centres likely to be opened in the current financial 6499. SHRI KALPNATH SONKAR: Will year: and the Minister of URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state: (c) the number therefrom to be opened (a) whether Government had acquired in urban and rural areas? ipnd beanng khasra numbers 598. 599 al1d 600 in Mandawali-Fazelpur. Deihl: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY (b) If so. whether all the persons who WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): had their houses on that land. have not been (a) According to the latest information avail- given alternative land of houses as yet: able from stastes/U.T.s the total number of Primary Health Centres functioning in the (c) if so. the number of suer. persons country is 19.640. and the reasons therefor; and

(d) the time by which Government (b) The total number of Primary Health propose to provide plots or houses to re- Centres likely to be opened dUring 1990-91 maining persons? as worked out by the Planning Commission In consultation with the States UTs is 1344 THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEL- excluding the State of Punjab for which the OPMENT (SHRI MURASOLI MARAN):,(a) targets have not been yet decided. the land failing in Khasra Nos. 598. 599 & 600 (and not 560) nf Village Mandawali (c) All Primary Health Centres are Fazalpur was acquired by Delhi Administra- opened in rural areas, tion but its possession (except approx. 0.8 Biswas out of Khasra no. 599) had not been taken over, due to stay from the High Court. Irrigation Projects

(b) Delhi Administration has reported 6501. SHRI HARi KEWAL PRASAD: that no applications for allotment of alterna- Will the Minister of WATER RESOURCES tive plots had been received from the owners be pleased to state: of acquired land failing in Khasra Nos. 598, 599 & 600. (a) the names of major and medium irrigation projects under construction in the (c) and (d) Do not arise in view of reply country; to (b) above. (b) the amount likely to be spent on Opening of Primary Health Centres these projects and the likely date of their During 1990·91 completion;

6500. SHRI HARI KEWAL PRASAD: (c) the numberof new irrigation projects Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY proposed to be started during the Eighth WELFARE be pleased to state: Five Year Plan; and 199 Written Answers APRIL 25. 1990 Written Answers 200

(d) the amount likely to be spent on MANUBHAI KOTADIA): (a) and (b), A state- these projects? ment is enclosed.

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (c) and (d) Proposals for VIII Plan have MJNISTRYOF WATER RESOURCES (SHRI not been finalised. 201 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answ9IS 202

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[English] monitoring the situation and advising the State Health authorities to take appropriate Health Hazard by X-Ray Units action.

6502. PROF. K.V. THOMAS: Will the Allocation for Health and Family Minister of HEALTH AND FAMtL Y WEL- Planning Centres FARE be pleased to state: 6503. SHRI ANBARASU ERA: Will the (a) whether a large number of x-ray Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WEL- units working in hospitals are a health haz- FARE be pleased to state: ardi. and (a) the total amount earmarked for the (b) if so, the action taken or contem- Health Centres and Family Planning Centres plated in this regard? in Tamil Nadu for 1988-89 and 1989-90: and

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (b) the details of the amount spent in MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY this regard? WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): (a) and (b). In Government Hospitals, all THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE possible measures including the installation MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY of X-Ray units in separate rooms which are WELFARE (SHRt RASHEED MASOOD): shielded to prevent radiation hazard. How- (a) and (b). The details of allocatIon and ever, the units Installed In private clinics, expenditureforthe Health Centres and Family without proper shielding, may be the cause Planning Centres in Tamil Nadu during 1988- of concern. The Deptt. of Atomic Energy IS 89 and 1989-90 are as under:- WriffenAnswv~ 219 APRil 25. 1990 wnn.n AnS... 1S 220

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Sugarcane Arrears In Maharashtra mill-wise; and

6504. SHRt V ASANT SATHE: Will the (c) the action taken for clearance of Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES be arrears? pleased to state:

(a) the arrears of sugarcane dues to be THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL paid to sugarcane farmers by the various SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): sugar mills in Maharashtra during the period (a). The position of cane price arrears due to 19S5-90, year-wise; cane growers from the sugar mills in Mahar- ashtra as on 15th March; 1990 has been as (b) the outstanding amount thereof, under:-

(Rs. in Crares)

Sugar Season Total cane price payable Cane Price arrears due Cane Price ~ears due during the season for the season for earlier seasons

2 3 4

1988-89 519.51 3.32 3.21

1989-90 629.99 6.69 2.46

(b) The mill-Wise details of total cane of cane price to growers. However, Central price arrears due as on 15.3.90 are given in Government monitors the position in this the Statement below. regard and takes up the matter with the State Governments wherever required. Maharash- (c) The State Governments are primar- tra Government has also been requested in ily responsible for ensuring timely payment this regard.

STATEMENT

Details of Mili-wise total Cane Prices Arrears due, as on 15.3.1990

(Rs. in Lakhs)

51. No. NameofMilf Arre.ardue Arrears due for earlier seasons

1 2 3 4

SOUTH MAHARASHTRA

1. Girna Nil Nil

2. Niphad 5.61 Nil 223 Writtsn Anslf/9fS APRIL 25, 1990 ..,."...... 224

(Rs. in LaIchs)

51. No. Name of MiH Arrear due AmNus due for earlier seasons

2 3 4

3. Karamveer 18.85 Nil

4. Materwadi Nil Nil

5. Paise 'NiI Nil

6. Vithewadi 7.86 Nil

7. Sanjivani Nil Nil

8. Kopergaon Nil Nil

9. Ganeshnagar Nil 12.99

10. Ashoknagar Nil Nil

11. Pravaranagar Nil Nil

12. Aahuri Nil Nil

13. Shrigonda 7.35 Nil

14. Sangamner Nil Nil

15. Bhende Nil Nil

16. Vrideshwar 23.36 Nil

17. Jagadamba Nil Nil

18. Sona; Nil Nil

19. Pamer Nil Nil

20. Nira Nil 6.57

21. Malegaon Nil Nil

22. Bhavaninagar Nil Nil 225 Written AnswM VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKAl Wrhten Answers 226

(As. in Lakhs,

51. No. Name of Mill Arrear due Arrears due for earlier seasons

2 3 4

23. Theur Nil Nil

24· Patas Nil Nit

25. Junar Nil Nil

26. Akluj Nil Nil

27. Sadeshivnagar Nil Nil

28. Kumathe Nil Nil

29. Gursale Nil Nil

30. Vairag 0.01 Nil

31. Shima Nil 8.21

32. Shriram Nil Nil

33. Krishna Nil Nil

34. Bhuinj Nil 0.48

35. Marali Nil Nil

36. Sahyadri Nil Nil

37. Sang I; Nil Nil

37A. Shendre Nil Nil

38. Walwa Nil Nil

39. Vishwas Nil Nil

40. Hutatma Nil Nil

41. Atpadi Nil Nil 227 Written AnswetS APRil 25, 1990 WriMM AnsIM!w 228

(Rs.1n Lllkhs)

51. No. Name of Mill Arrear due Arrears due for earlier seasons

2 3 4

42. Nagewadi 54.60 Nil

43. Mahanl<.ali Nil Nil

44. Warana Nil Nil

45. IchalkaranJI Nil Nil

46. Kumbhl Kesan Nil Nil

47. Bldn Nil Nil

48. Bhogawatl Nil Nil

49. Shlrol Nil Nil

50. Daulat Nil Nil

51. GadhlnglaJ Nil Nil

52. Kagal Nil Nil

53. Asurle Nil Nil

54. Ravalgaon Nil 1.21

55 Sahrwadl Nil Nil

56. Lakshmlwadl Nil Nil

57. Changdeo Nil Nil

58. 8elpur Nil Nil

58.A Tllaknagar Nil 50.51

59. Walchandnagar Nil Nil

60. Malinagar 41.63 Nil 229 Wrltt9n ~SW9fS VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answets 230

(Rs. in Lakhs)

51. No. Name of Milt Arrear due Arrears due for earlier seasons

2 3 4

61. Brima Nil 83.81

62. Phaltan Nil Nil ~ 63. Kholhapur Nil Nil

Total South Maharashtra 159.27 163.78

NORTH MAHARASHTRA

64. Gangap~r 0.08 56.59

65. Sillod 66.62 0.55

66. Kannad Nil Nil

67. Parsoda Nil Nil

68. Paithan Nil Nil

69. Terna 0.55- Nil

70. Naldurg Nil Nil

71. Kalambar 77.26 1.58

72. Shankarnagar 49.58 Nil

73. panzarakan Nil Nil

74. Satpuda 58.36 Nil

75. Jiiasmata 1.28 0.36

76. Pusad Nil Nil

77. Dongarkhada Nil 5.96

78. Pathri Nil Nil

79. Pasmat"'nagar Nil 0.04 231 Written Answets APRIL 25,1990 Written Answers 232

(Rs. in Lakhs)

51. No. NameofMi/l A"eardue A"ears due for earlier seasons

2 3 4

80. Ambajogai Nil 0.14

81. Georai Nil Nil

82. Kada 32.71 Nil

83. Gajanan Nil Nil

84. Kasoda Nil Nil

85. Faizpur 2.70 0.69

86. Bhoras Nil Nil

87. Sanjay 67.18 Nil

88. Shirpur Nil Nil

89. Samrath 44.87 Nil

90. Jalna Nil Nil

91. Nalegaon 53.48 Nil

92. Manjara 0.29 6.37

93. Killari Nil Nil

94. Dhamangaon Nil 10.14

95. Mauda Nil 0.02 233 Written Answers VAISAKHA5, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnsWeIS 234

(Rs. in Lakhs)

SI. No. Name of Mill Arrear due Arrears due for earlier seasons

2 3 4

96. Jamni Nil Nil

97. Wainganga 13.24 Nil

98. Balaji Nil Nil

99. Golegaon 41.85 Nil

Total North Maharashtra 510.05 82.44

Grand Total Maharashtra 669.32 246.22

Assistance to Maharashtra for Small Medium Towns, Town-wise and Year-wise? and Medium Towns THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEL- OPMENT (SHRI MURASOLI MARAN): 6505. SHRI VASANT SAHfE' Will the Under the centrally sponsored scheme of Minister of URBAN DEVELOPMENT be Integrated Development of Small and Me- pleased to state the amount of Central assIs- dium Towns, a sum of Rs. 679.1 061akhs has tance given forthe development of small and been released to the various towns of Ma- medium towns in Maharashtra during the harashtra during the seventh plan period Seventh Five Year period under the scheme details of which are given in the attached of Integrated Development of Small and Statement. 235 Written Answers APRil 25, 1990 Written AnsW91S 236

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Central Assistance to Karnataka to of the fact that the consumption of Sura is Modernise the canal System injurious to health;

6506. SHRI H.C. SRIKANTAIAH: Will (c) whether Government propose to the Minister of WATER RESOURCES be amend the existing Act so as to ban or pleased to state: control its production: and

(a) whether Karnataka Government (d) if so, when? has requested Union Government for financial assistance to modernise the canal sys- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE tem in some irrigation projects of the State; MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRt RASHEED MASOOD): (b) if so, the names of such irrigation (a) An Ayurvedic medicine by the name projects: 'Mritsanjivini Sura' is being manufactured by many Ayurvedic pharmacies. The licensing (c) the total amount of assistance sought; and control of drugs of Ayurveda is vested and with State Government authorities; so this Ministry has no information in respect of (d) whether Union Government have quantity of individual drugs being prepared sanctioned the financial assistance? and sold. This Ministry is also not aware of any advantage being taken of any of the THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE provisions of the Drugs and Cosmetics Act MINISTRY OFWATER RESOURCES (SHRI for the purpose. MANUBHAI KOTADIA): (a) to (d). No request for providing CentraltExternal assis- (b) 'Mritsanjivini Sura' is not injurious to tance for modernising a canal system, has health if taken in prescribed quantity as a been received from the Government of Kar- drug. nataka. (c) and (d). There is no proposal to [ Translation] amend the Drugs and Cosmetics Act for this purpose. This Ministry has already communicated to all State Governments for check- 'Sura' as Ayurvedic Drugs ing misuse of 'Mritsanjivini Sura' as an alco- holic drink under the existing excise Acts of the respective States. 6507. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMIL V WEL- F ARE be pleased to state: Bonded Labour

(a) whether Government are aware that 6508. SHRIISHWAR CHAUDHARY: 'Sura; is being prepared on a large scale and SHAI GANGA CHARAN is being sold as Ayurvedic mediCIne by tak- LODHI: ing advantage of certain provisions of the SHRI SURVA NARAYAN drugs and cosmetics Act: YADAV:

Will the Minister of LABOUR be pleased (b) if so, whether Government are aware to state: 257 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written AnswetS 258

(a) the number of bonded labourers Government and the States concerned rehabilitated by Government during the year thereon? 1989-90 State-wise; and THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND WELFARE (SHRr RAM VILAS PASWAN): (b) the expenditure incurred by Union (a) and (b). A Statement is attached. 259 Written AnswelS APRil 25, 1990 Written AnswelS 260

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(EnglishJ supplied by the Medical Stores Depots, are procured through other source~ like D.G.S. Procurement of Drugs by Government and 0, Super Bazar etc. to meet require- Hospitals ments.

6509. DR. BHAGWAN DASS RATHOR: (d) No, Sir. Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to statf:. Purchase of Lithotrlpter by L.N.J.P. Hospital (a) whether Government hospitals are procuring their requirement of drugs and 6510. DR. BHAGWAN DASS RATHOR: medicines from Medical Stores Depots under Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY Medical Stores Organisation: WELFARE be pleased to state.

(b) whether the Medical Stores Organi- (a) whether L.N.J.P. Hospital has pur- sation directs these hospitals to select their chased Lithotripter; and requirement of drugs from their V.M.S. List only and other non-listed Items are not pro- (b) if so, the details of the price and the cured and supplied to them: details of the supplier etc?

(c) whether these Government hospi- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE tals are forced not 10 send th~ir actually MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY required drugs and medicmes as per their WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): pharmacopeias which are made senior (a) Yes, Sir. doctors of these hospitals: (b) The equipment has been purchased (d) whether the Medical Stores Deports from Mis Siemens Ltd., New Delhi through directs these hospitals to substitute the actu- Directorate General of Supply and Disposal ally prescribed drugs by the items supplied at a cost of As. 2,36,05,748/-. by them even if the ingredients and compo- Sition of such drugs are different? US Technology for Food Processing Industries THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 6511. SHRI PRAKASH KOKO WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): BRAHMBHA TT: Will the Minister of FOOD (a) The Government Hospitals are sending PROCESSING INDUSTRIES be pleased to their indents to Medical Stores Depot for state: drugs and other material whose annual cost in each case is more than Rs. 10,0001- but (a) whether US Government has of- less than Rs. 1 lac. tered its technology and expertise in the field of food processing industries; (b) There IS no direction from Medical Stores Deports to hospitals to select their (b) whether any agreement has been requirement of drugs from their V.M.S. list entered into with the U.S. Government; only but nonlisted items are generally not procured and supplied by them (c) if so, the detaiis thereof, and

(c) No. Sir MedIcines Wt11ch are npt (d) to what extent the new technology is 265 Wntten Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 266 likely to Improve the indigenous food proc- the value of the Imported machinery withm a essing Industnes? pertod of four years, over and above the average level of exports made In the preced- THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND Ing three licenSing years. MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV) (a) Construction of Dam In Gujarat and (b) The MInistry of Food Processing Industrtes have not received any specifiC 6513 SHRI PRAKASH KOKO offer from US Government for transfer of BRAHMBHATT' Will the Minister of WATER technology and expertise In the held 01 food RESOURCES be pleased to state processing industries, nor has any agreement being entered Into with that Govern- (a) whether Unton Government had ment In thIs regard been requested to take up the scheme for sweet water storage across GuH of Camby In (c) and (d) Do not anse GUlarat With Dutch Government or World Bank, Liberal Import Policy for Textile Ma- chinery (b) If so, the progress made In thiS regard so far. 6512 SHRI PRAKASH KOKO BRAHMBHATI (c) whether UnIOn Government pro- SHRI N J RATHVA pose to provide any financial assistance for thiS purpose WIll the MInIster of TEXTILES be pleased to state (d) rf so, the details thereof, and

(a) whether the Textile Export Promo- (e) the time by which the scheme IS tIon Council has urged liberal Import policy likely to be Implemented? for allOWing textile units to Import machInery as zero or very conceSSlonal rates of duty, and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OFWATER RESOURCES (SHRI MANUBHAI KOTADIA) (a) and (b) No, SIr (b) If so, the reaction of Government However the Government of GUJarat have thereto? proposed to take up wrth Dutch assistance a feasibility study for multipurpose development of Gulf of Cam bay to secure fresh THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND water storage, tidal power generatIOn, land MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- reclamation, naVigatIon, lITIgatIOn and fish- DUSTRiES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV) (a) eries development Yes Sir (c) and (d) There IS no proposal to provIde Central finanCial assistance for the (b) In the Import policy announced for purpose the pertod 1990-1993 Capital Goods upto Rs 10 crores have been permitted to be (e) Implementation of the project can be Imported at concesslonal duty of 25% against consIdered only after Its feasibility IS estab- e~rt obligatIon to the extent of three times lished through studies 267 Written AnswefS APH'L 25, 7990 Wriltsn Answsrs 268 rTranslatkJn] [£ngNsh)

exemption of Telephone Services from Consumer Forum Consumer Protection Act

6515. SHRI SANATKUMAR MANDAl: 6514. SHRIRAJVEERSINGH: Will the Will the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUP- Minister of FOOD AND CIVil SUPPLIES be PLIES be pleased to refer to the reply given pleased to state: on 14 March, 1990 to Unstarred Question No. 334 regarding the jurisdiction of the (a) the amount earmarked during 1989 National Consumer Disputes Redressal and 1990 for constituting Consumer Forum Commission over the Telephone services of in the country: the Mahanagar Telephone Nigam ltd. and state:

(b) whetherthere is any arrangement to (a) whether it is a fact that the Depart- impart training to the consumer for their ment of T ele-communication (DDT) has rights; if so, the details thereof: and approached the Union Law Ministry seeking exemption from the ambit of the Consumer (c) if not, the reasons therefor? protection Act (COPRA), 1986;

THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVil (b) if so, the grounds advanced seeking SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): such exemption; and (a) Under the Consumer protection Act, 1986, the responsibility of setting up of the (c) the reaction of Government thereto? National Consumer. Disputes .Redressal Commission lies with the Central Govern- THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL ment and that of the State Consumer Dis- SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): putes Aedressal Commission and District (a) Yes Sir. Consumer Disputes Redressal Forum lies with the State Governments and Union Ter- (b) The exemption is sought an the ritory Administrations. Central Government ground that the Indian Telegraph Act con- had earmarked an amount of Rs. 20.00 tains provisions for redressal of consumer lakhs in 1989-90 for the National Commis- disputes and that a separate consumergriev- sion. For the year 1990-91, the amount ance redressal system is functioning in the earmarked for the National Commission is Department of Telecommunications. As. 20.00 lakhs. Central Government has not earmarked any amount for the State (c) Department of Civil Supplies is nat Commission or for the District Forums. in favour of granting any exemptions.

Insufficient RoOms in Nursing Home 01 (b) to (c). Government favours growth Dr. RML Hospital ot consumer movement on voluntary basis. However, various measures to promote 6516. SHAI CHIRANJllAL SHARMA: consumer awareness through seminars. Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY' audiovisual programmes, publicatiOn of lit- WElF AAE be pleased to state: erature etc. are undertaken by the Cen~ral and State Governments. (a) whether the number of rams in 269 Written Answers VArSAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 270 nursing home of Dr. Aam Manchar Lohia ment in 4 cases has been made in Rohini. In Hospital are not sufficient to cope with the 1 case, a flat under SeH Financing Scheme patients: and has been allocated but area has not been indicated. These 5 applicants have also been (b) if so, the steps to be taken to provide informed about the allotmenUallocatlon. As more rooms in the nursing home? per extant policy of the Government, a maximum of 2112 of the total number of plots THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE allotted in a year can be allotted on out of turn MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMilY basis in cases of extreme hardship and WELFARE (SHAI RASHEED MASooD): compassion such as widows. physically (a) Yes, Sir. handicapped etc. However, there are no specific localities earmarked for such cut of (b) A proposal to construct 76 rooms to turn allotments as the construction of flats is augment the Nursing Home accommoda- being done by the DDA all over Delhi. tion has been Included in the draft 8th Five Year Plan of this hospital. Proposal to Develop Din Dayal Upadhyay Hospital like AlIMS Allotment of Flats to Handicapped Persons 6518. SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: SHRIYASHWANTRAOPATIL: 6517. SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: Will the Mrnlsterof URBAN DEVELOPMENT Will the Minister of HEALTH AND be pleased to state: FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state:

(a) whether D.n.A. called for applica- (a) whether it IS proposed to develop tions for out-of-turn allotment of flats to the Din Dayal Upadhyay Hospital and to provide handicapped persons In August 1989. better facilities to the public: and

(b) If so. the number of handicapped (b) If so, detaIls thereof together with who applied tor them and the number at details of the steps proposed to be taken to those who were alloted flats and whet!1erthe develop the Hospital on the lines of the All applicants were Informed. India Institute of Medical SCIences?

(c) the details of the areas where these THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE handicapped were alloted flats. MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASooD): (d) whether D.D.A propose to con- (a) and (b) Deen Dayal Upadhyay Hospital. struct more flats for handicapped In centrally New Deihl, which IS presently functionIng located areas to prOVide them better facili- with 400 beds. IS In the process of expan- ties and minimiSing travel by buses etc: and sion. Cardiology Department With Intensive coronary Care Unit and Maternity ServIces (e) if so. the details thereof? are going to be started as son as staff IS prOVIded and remaining constructIOn works THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEL- IS completed. Super-speciality Departments OPMENT (SHRI MURASOLI MARAN): (a) like Neuro-Surgery, Cardia-ThoraCIC Sur- Yes, SIr. gery. BurnslPlastic surgery are proposed to be opened durrng the next Five Year Plan. (b) to (e). 1530 persons applied Allot- Modern gadgets have been procured and 271 Written Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Written Answers 272

are in use in the Hospital. Modern medical have surrenderedlVacated the accommoda- equipments including whole body CAT Scan, tion and the reasons for non-vacation by T.M.T., Echo-Cardiogram. Holter Monitor others; and Modern ventilators are under the process of procuremep.t. (e) whether eviction notices have been issued to all\who have not surrenderedl Vacation of Government Accommoda- vacated their houses; and tion by Employees of Government of India Press (f) whether the houses belonging to Rress pool transferred to the general pool 6519. SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA have been given back; and if not. the reason Will the Minister 01 URBAN DEVELOPMENT thereo1 together with steps taken in this be pleased to state' regard?

(a) the number of employees working In THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEL- Government 01 ~ndia Press, Minto Road, OPMENT (SHRi MURASOLI MARAN): (a) Deihl and how many of them have been There are in all 1971 employees; 1038 allotted Government acrommodatlon: quarters are in the occupation of the serving employees. Apart from this, there are also (b) the numberof houses,category-wis, quarters under occupation of the (1) retired available to date In the press pool: employees, (2) families of the deceased employees, (3) under orders 01 stay from (c) the number of employees who re- Courts/CAT and (4) earmarked for transfer- tired dunng 1 January, 1986 to 31 October. ring to the Delhi Administration etc. 1989; (b) The number of quarters (d) how many of the retired persons category-wise are as under:-

Type 367

Type II 684

Type III 127

Type IV 51

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(C) 366. out of whom 15 were patlon Act. 1971, wherever necessary. no n-allott ees (f} No Sir. Action tor their return has (d) and (e) 208 have surrenderedlva- been Initiated. cated. Letters for vacation of quarters have been Issued to the persons who were Gluts in the Manufactured products of over-staYing, of-course, after allOWing the National Textile Corporation normal penod of retention as per rules. Ac- tion has also been Initiated under the Public 6520. SHRI N. DENNIS: Will the Min- Premls&s (EViction of Unauthoflsed Occu- Ister of TEXTILES be pleased to state: 273 Written Answer.s VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answer.s 274

(a) whether there is glut in the products (a) whether a workshop sponsored by manufactured by N.T.C.; and the National Labour Institute on the quick disposal of industrial disputes by the Labour (b) if so, the details thereof? Departments and the Industrial Tribunals was held recently; and THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- (b) if so, the details of the recommenda- DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV): (a) tions made there and action proposed to be No, Sir. taken thereon?

(b) Does not arise. THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN): R&D Institutes for Indian System of (a) Yes Sir. Medicines (b) Some of the recommendations of 6521. PROF. P.J. KURIEN: the Seminar are as follows: SHRI RAMESH CHENNI- THALA: (i) Steps should be taken to create additional Industrial Tribunals Will the Minister of HEALTH AND and Labour Courts as per FAMIL Y WELFARE be pleased to state: norms;

(a) whether Government propose to (ii) Vacancies in the postes of open more research centres In the Indian Presiding Officers should be System of medicines, filled up expeditiously;

(b) If so, the details thereof: (iii) The procedure followed in adjudication of industrial disputes (c) whether any grant has been given to should be simple and geared to any institutions in Kerala In thiS regard: and quick disposal of cases. A manual should be prepared by (d) If so, the detaIls thereof and thework the Ministry of Labour for this being done therem? purpose;

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (iv) Seminars and workshops of MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY Presiding Officers should be WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASooD): organised from time to time to (a) to (d) No such proposal IS under consid- deliberate on the principles and eration of Central Government at present. procedures of adjudication of However, Government have set up Central industrial disputes; Research Councils In Ayurveda and Siddha. Unani, Homoeopathy and Yoga and (v) Conciliation machinery should Natruopathy and these Councils consider be strengthened so that dis- such proposals from time to time. putes are resolved between the parties and the burden on the National labour Institute adjudication system is reduced;

6522. SHRIA.K. .ROY: Will the. Minister The Seminar also made certain sug- of LABOUR be pleased to state: gestions regarding the constitution and the 275 Written Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Written Answers 276 juridication of the adjudication system. (ii) Contrbutory Thrift Fund Scheme

The recommendations of the Seminar 13,856 handloom weavers. are being circulated ·to the Stat~ Govem- ments. Action has also been taken on hand (b) Targets for 1990-91 to implement some of th recommendations so far as these relate to the Central Govern- (i) 1,000 Worksheds. ment. (ii) 16.665 Handloom Weavers. Welfare Scheme for Handloom Weavers Major and Medium Irrigation 6523. SHRI ANADI CHARAN DAS: Projects of Karnataka Will the Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to state: 6524. SHRI SRIKANTHA DAnA NARASIMHA RAJA WADIYAR: Will the (a) the achievements made so tar under Minister of WATER RESOURCES be the weHare schemes for the handloom pleased to state: weavers VIZ. Workshed-cum-Housing scheme and contributory Thrift Fund Scheme (a) the details of medium and major in respect of Orissa; and irrigation projects under execution in Karna- taka; (b) the expansion plan proposed for the near future? (b) the estimated cost of each of those projects; and (c) the progress made in the completion THE M1NISTER OF TEXTlLES AND of those projects? MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV): (a) THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRYOFWATER RESOURCES (SHRI 'MANUBHAI KOTADIA): (a) to (c) A state- (i) Workshed-cum-Housing Scheme ment is annexed giving details of on-going major and medium irrigation projects of 5380 Worksheds and 600 Rural Karnataka. excluding those from the Cauvery Hous~um -Worksheds. Basin that are under dispute. 2n Written Answers VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 278

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irrigation Potentialities of Punjab terty The progress reported upto Decem- ber. 1989 IS 75% on Chandl' Dam. 26% on 6525 SHRI KAMAL CHAUDHRY Will Icha Dam and -7% on Galudlh Barrage the MInister of WATER RESOURCES be Also, progress reported on Canal works IS pleased to state 60% on Chandll Left Bank Canal, 50% and 27% on Icha Rtght and Left Bank Canals (a) whether the Irrtgatlon facIlities avail- respectively. 53% on Galudth Rtght bank able In Punjab had been of the national level Canal and 42% on Right and Left Bank dunng the Seventh Frve-Year-Plan penod. canals ex-Kharkal Barrage

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(C) If not, the steps taken by Govern- Beedi Workers in U.P. ment to provide addltlOnallrngatlon facIlities In Punjab dunng the said penod and 6528 SHRI MITRA SEN YADAV Will the Minister of LABOUR be pleased to state (d) the total addItIonal land In Punjab brought under Irrlgatton dUring the Seventh (a) the numberof beedl workers In Uttar Plan perIOd? Pradesh and

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (b) the steps taken by Government to MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES (SHRI protect them from exploitation and tc raise MANUBHAIKOTADIA) (a)and(b) By 1986- their standard of liVing and SOCIO-economic 87. about 886 percent of Punjab's net sown condition? area was Irrigated compared to 30 7 per cent for the country as a whole THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN) (c) and (d) AddItional Irngatlon potential (a) The estimated number of beedl workers antICipated to be achieved In Punjab dUring In Uttar Pradesh IS 4 50 lakhs VII Plan penod IS about 2 3 lakh ha (b) The Bedl and Cigar Workers (Con- Subarnarekha Multi Purpose Project ditions of Employment) Act. 1966 has spe- crflcally been enacted to regulate the condl· 6527 SHRID AMA T W,ll the MinIster ttons of work and promote the welfare of of WATER RESOURCES be pleased to workers engaged In beedl establishments state This Act IS Implemented by the State Gov ernmt:lOts Beedl establishments and work- (a) whether Union Government have ers have been brought under the purview of made any review of the progress made so far several other benefIcIal legislations such as an the execution of Subarnarekha Multi Pur- Mlntmum Wages Act, 1948. EPF and MIS- pose ProJect, and cellaneous prOVISions Act. 1952. Payment of Gratuity Act. 1972 etc (b) If so the details thereof? Under the BeedlWorkers Welfare Fund, THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE medical, hOUSing. educatIOnal recreatIOnal MINISTRY OFWATER RESOURCES (SHRI and family welfare benefits are prOVided to MANUBHAI KOTADIA) (a) and (b) The beedl workers. In Uttar Pradesh also. In Uttar progress on the prOject IS reviewed quar- Pradesh eleven dispensaries for providing 285 Wfltten Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 286 free medical treatment have been estab- Pradesh and Andhra Pradesh with World "shed and a teil bedded hospital at Gurushl- Bank assistance The World Bank has also ganJ has been sanctioned Prototype been approached for assistance for taking schemes for beedl workers suffenng from up 7th National Training and Manpower cancer, TB, leprosy and mental diseases are Development Population Project (IPP-VII) In bemg ,mplemented In 1988 89 an amount the states of Bihar, GUJarat, Haryana. Punjab of As 899,940 was disbursed a~ scholar- and Jammu and Kashmir ship to 2724 words of beedl workers and an amount of Rs 35,000/ was paid as finanCIal Expansic:m of Central Research Institute assIstance to 700 wards of beed, workers for for Homoeopathy purchase of school dress 6531 SHAI RAMESH CHENNITHALA [English) Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state Indian Population Project (a) whether there IS any proposal for 6529 SHRI RAMESH CHENNITHALA expansion of Central Research Institute for Will the MInister of HEALTH AND FAMILY Homoeopathy Sechlvothamapuram. Kot- WELFARE be plpased to state tayalT1 Kerala

(a) the number of dIstricts selected tor (b) It so, the details thereof Implementing IPP (Indian Population ProJ ect) In the country (cl whether Government propose to curtail the research activities of this Institute, ,b) whetlle r there IS any proposal to If so the reasons therefor extend the proqramme (d) whether Government have received (c) whetr.::.r Governme"t proposal to any representation against this deCISion. and Include more dlc;tpcts In thle; programme 3nd (el If so, the action taken thereon?

(d) If so the oetallS thereof? THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELF ARE (SHAI RASHEED MASOOD) THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (a) No Sir "AINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD) (b) Does not anse (a) The India popul,tlon Projects have been t"lken up In 36 Olo;! Icts of the country With (e) The Central Research Institute for World Bank assl"tz:nct: Homoeopathy (CRIH) Kottayam IS engaged In research on diabetes, allergic diseases (b) Yes Sir and behaVioural disorders The SCientific AdvIsory Committee (SAC) of the Central (C) and (d) A SIxth Nattonal Family Council for Research In Homoeopathy has Welfare Tra.nlng a'la manpower Develop recommended that the CRIH. Kottayam be 'nent Population PrOJect( IPP) - VI) has been asslgred problems relating to BehaVioural mproved for Implementation on a State-wide Disorders However the eXistIng research bde;IS In the StcJt8s ')1 Utta Prndesh Mad'lya actiVities have not been ourtalled 287 Written Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Wr/ttgn An• ...,. 288

(d) Yes, Sir. services of aU such persons?

(e) In view of reply to part (c) above, no action is called for THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): Employment to Retired Persons (a) The details of retired persons working in the corporate sector and in the Consultancy 6532. SHRI MADAN LAl KHURANA: organisation including the Super Bazar. Delhi Will the Minister of FOOD AND CIVil SUP~ which are under the administrative control of PLIES be pleased to state: this Ministry. are given in the attached statement. (a) the details Qf retired persons working in the Corporate sector and in the Con- suttancy Organisations under his Ministry (b) and (c) Most of the appointments including Super Bazar: made in these organisations are interim arrangements and will be dispensed with as (b) the reasons for employing these soon as suitable persons are recuited. persons; and However, in some cases, retired officers have been appointed on short term or part (c) the steps taken to terminate the time basis due to the exigenCies of the job. 289 Written Answers VAfSAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnSWBIS 290

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[ Translation) THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVil SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MJRDHA): Price ~f SUgar (a) and (b) The Food Corporation of India endeavours to meet the variety wise prefer- 6533. SHRI RAMDAS SINGH: Will the ence of rice of the State Governments to the Minister of FOOD AND CIVil SUPPLIES be extent possible depending upon the availa- pleased to state: bility of stocks.

(a) whether there has been a sharp extension of ESI Facilities to Seedl increase in the prices of sugar in the open Workers market recently: 6535. SHAI KAILASH MEGHWAL: Will (b) if so, the extent of increase in the the Minister of LABOUR be pleased to state: prices in all the States particularly in Bihar dunng last month: (a) whether there is a proposal under consideration of the Government to extend (c) the reasons therefor: and the ESt scheme to the beed; workers in the country; (d) the measures adopted by Govern- ment to check this increase? ('b} if so, the details thereof; and

THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVil (c) if not. the reasons therefor? SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): (a) to (d). The sugar prices in the open THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND market have increased recently due to specu- WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN): lative tendencies. The Government has (a) and (b) The ESI Scheme is already therefore released additional50,OOG tonnes applicable to baedi manufacturing establish- of indigenous free sale sugar tor April mak- ments run with power and employing 10 or ing the total free-sale release ~ 6.00 lakh more persons or run without power and tonnes against 4.50. in April. 8~. Besides employing 2Q or more persons and located quantity of 6.50 lakh tonnes free-saie sugar in the areas where the ESI Scheme has has been released for May. 90 as against been implemented. 5.00 lakh tonnes in May. 89. As a result the prices have already declined. (c) \ Does not arise.

[Eng/ish] Price of Flata Under Hudco Scheme. 1979 Boiled Rice to Kerala 6536. SHRt PRATAPRAO B. 6534. SHRI RAMESH CHENNITHALA: BHOSALE: Wi" the MinIster of URBAN Will the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUP DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state: PUES be pleased to state: (a) whether New Patt~rn HUOCO (a) whether Union Government pro- Scheme was launched in 1979; and pose to increase the supply of boiled rice to kerala; and (b) if so, the details thereof with prices fixed for flats in each cat9gmy and prices (b) if not, the reasons therefor? actually charged? 297 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answ9I'S 298

THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEl· to reduce the sale price of OPMENT (SHAI MURASOLI MARAN): (a) M.I.G.ll.I.G. and janata flats Yes, Sir. so as to be within the reach of the common man. To facilitate (b) A statement containing details of the payments the mode has also scheme as announced in 1979 IS enclosed. been made easier.

Prices announced in 1979 ar as given Period of Registration: below:- 2. The RegistratIOn Scheme will MIG As. 42,000 open on 1st September, 1979 'and will close on 30th Septem· llG As 18,000 ber,1979.

Janata As 8,000 Eligibility Conditions:

It was clearly stat&d In para 13 of the 3. The applicant must not own brochure that these prices are only indica· any residential house or plot In tlve and do not represent the final cost. The full or in part on lease hold or fmal cost based on actual as on March, 1990 free hold baSIS In the Umon was as follows;· Territory of Delhi, either in hiS! her own name or In the name MIG As. 1.80 lakh to As. 2.281akh of hls!her, wifelhusband or any of hlslher minor and or de· LIG As 0.95 lal{h to As. 1 37 lakh pendent children or depend· ent parents or dependent minor Janta Rs. O.54lakh to Rs. O.83lakh sisters and brothers. H, however, Individual share of the The Increase In prICes IS because of applicant in the Jointly owned normal escalatIOn In cost of Inputs, Improve· plot or land under the residen· ment in spectflCatlons over those under tial house IS less than 75 HUDCO pattern and Increase In plinth area sq.yds.; an application for al· of fiats. Iotment of flat can be enter· tained. In the event of allot· STATEMENT me nt, the flat shall by used by the allottee for hislher own REGISTRATION SCHEME ON NEW residence. Persons who own PA TTERN OF INTENDING PURCHAS· a house or plot allotted by the ERS OF FLA TS TO BE CONSTRUCTED Delhi Development Authority BY THE DELHI DEVELOPMENT AU· on an area of even less than THORITY 75 sq.yds. shall not, however, be eligible tor registration. Objects of the Scheme: 4. The applicant must be a citi· The name of the scheme will 1. zen of India. be 'Registration Scheme on New Pattern-1979' of the Delhi 5. The applicant must have at· Development Authority. This tained the age of majority. scheme has been formulated 299 Written Answers APRIL 25. 1990 Written Answers 300

6. There will be reservation in the killed in action. allotment of flats for the following categories:- (d) 1% of the flats are reserved for (a) 25% of the flats are Ex-servicemen. reserved exClusively for Scheduled Castesl " the requisite number Schedules Tribes can- of applications are not didates. received from the aforesaid categories, the (b) 1% of the flats are re- flats will be offered to served for physically the persons in the non handicapped persons. reserved categories.

(c) 1% of the flats are reserved tor widows of 7. The applicants will be required defence personnel to make deposits as under:-

Category Income range General Registration Deposit Rs. Rs. Scheduled CasteslTribes Rs.

M.I.G. 7201.'- to 18000/- 4500/- 35001-

L.1.G. 4201/- to 72001- 1500/- 1200/-

JANATA Up to 4200/- 2501- 200/-

8. For the purpose of their ent minor sisters and brothers scheme. the income of the for the financial year 1978-79. applicant for the financial year 1978-79 would be taken into 9. The allotment of flats under consideration. However, inthis scheme will be by draw of come obtaining for the pre- lot like that of Self Financing ceding year of the registration Scheme. All the applicants who or for the financial year at the register between September time of retirement can also be 1,1979 and September 30, reckoned to qualify for a par- 1979 will have equal seniority. ticular category flat. 10. While making allotment under Income means the total an- this registration scheme, 40% nual income (excluding house of the M.I.G. flats will be al- rer:lt allowance) of husband! loted on Cash Down Basis and wife ot any of h,s/her minor 60% of the flats on Hire Pur- and or dependent children or chase basis. L.I.G.lJanata flat dependent parents ordepend- will be disposed of n the basis 301 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 302

of 25% on Cash Down basis Court-yard. and 75% on Hire Purchase basis. 1.I.G. 2 Rooms, Kitchen, Bath Room, and w.e. 11. In case of flats allotted under Hire Purchase basis, the cost Janta One Room, Kitchen, Bath of the land plus 20% of the Room and W.C. balance cost of the flat will be recovered as initial deposit at The likely cost of flats constructed un- the time of aHotment and bal- der this scheme will be under: ance amount will be recovered in monthly instalments M.I.G. Rs. 42,000/- spread over a penod of 7years In case of M.I.G., 10 years in L.I.G. Rs. 18,000/- case 01 1.I.G. and 15 years in case of Janta flats. Janta Rs.8,OOO/-

12. In additIOn to the cost 1 the flat, The prices are indicative and do not and the land under the flats, represent the final cost. the allottee will have to pay to the Authority ground rent @ 14. It may please be noted that the Rs. 1/- per annum ter the first plinth area of the flats indi- two years and thereafter @ 2 cated and the esti mated prices 1/2% per annum on the pre- mentioned in the brochure are mium of the land. The rate is illustrative and are subject to subjeCi to reVision after every revision/modification depend- 30 years. ing upon the exigencies of lay out, cost of construction etc. Accommodation and estimated cost 01 the flats:- 15. The flats for allotment are being constructed in the various 13. The Plinth area of the flats to schemes of D.D.A. At present, be constructed under new flats are likely to be constructed pattern IS likely to be as un- in Vikas Puri (Bhodhela), der:- Shalimar Bagh, Pitampura Janakpuri, Gulabi Bagh, M.I.G. Between 60 to 65 Sq. Mtrs. Wazirpur, Hari Nagar, Law- rence Road etc. etc. L.I.G. About 38 Sq. Mtrs. 16. As and when agroupof houses Janata Upto 24 Sq. Mtrs. is ready for disposal, an advertisement will be made in the The accommodation in the flats under Press. Only registered person different categories will be as under: would be eligible to apply in the prescribed form, quoting M.I.G. One living Room, 2 Bed the number of their Registra- Rooms, kitchen, Bath tion Certificates and Deposit RoomandW.C. and Open Receipts. 303 Written Answers APRIL 25. 1990 Written Answers 304-

How to Apply : 15. Kalkaji

17. Applications for registration will 16. Green Park Extn. be made in the prescribed form (Annexure I) alongwith a copy 17. Parliament Street (Head Office) of chOlllen/Bank . Draft at Counter No.4. Vikas Minar 18. Parliament Street (Pay Office) New Delhi. 19. Friends Colony 18. The applicant will deposit the registration amount in one fo 20. Delhi Centt. the following branches of the Bank in Delhi to the credit in 21. Shahadra the accOtJntof DELHI DEVEL- OPMENT AUTHORITY by 22. Vikas Minar means of a challen Annexure II (in quadruplicate): 23. Indraprashta Estate

STA TE BANK OF INDIA 24. Jahangir Puri

1. Chandni Chowk 25. Mayapuri

2. Karn.a Nagar 26. Madangir

3. Roop Nagar 27. Wazirpur Industrial Area

4. Azadpur 28. Old Rohtak Road

5. Punjabl Bag'h SYNDICATE BANK

6. Karol Bagh 1. Bijwasan

7. South Patel Nagar 2. Narela

8. Tilak Nagar 3. Hyder Pur

9. Janakpur CENTRAL BANK

10. Inderpufl 1. Badarpur

11. Naraina 2. Ghonda

12. R.K. Puram 3. PatparGanj

13. Malviya Nagar PUNJABI NATIONAL BANK

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2. Han Nagar Draft by local residents also.

3. Civil Lines 20. Every applicant whose name is registered underthis scheme 4. Najafgarh Village will be given a Certificate of Registration indicating the 5. Okhla Industrial Estate regi~tration Dumber and the amount of deposit. 6. Tn Nagar 21. The deposit will be made for a 7. Kotla Mubarak Pur minimum period of one year and will carry interest at the 8. Vijay Nagar rate of 7% per annum. Wrth- drawal of deposit before the 9. Mehrauh expiry of one year shall not be allowed except under special 18 The original and .dep[lcate circumstances and at the copies of the challan form Will absolute discretion of Finan- be retained by the Bank and cial Adviser (Housing), Delhi thetnphcate and quarduphcate Development Authority. No copies will be returned by the interest will be paid in such Bank to the DepOSitor. The cases. All correspondence applicant should enclose the regarding Fixed Deposit Re- third copy with the application ceipts and Interest may please as proof of hiS haVing made be made with Account Officer the deposit he should retain (Housing) the fourth copy of the challar. with him carefully being sub- However, the depositor will mitted to the Deihl Develop- have the option to receive inter- ment Authority for obtaining est every year or to have it refund or adjustment of the adjusted finally on Dwelling deposit toward price of the Unit being allotted to him. In dwelling unit, as the case may the later event he would be be. On receipt of the credit entitled to compound interest, through the bank account, a i.e. interest will also be permis- Deposit Receipt would be IS- sible on the simple interest sued under the signature of accruable on their deposits. the Accounts Officer (Hous- Thus, who opt to take advan- ing). Delhi Development Au- tage of the compound interest thority. would not be perm itted to withdraw interest will the allotment 19. Those who may be sending of the Dwellmg Unit. In excep- applications from a place out- tional cases in which they are side Delhi can do so by send- permitted to do so they would ing a Bank Draft in favour-of be on titled only to simple inter- the Delhi Development Author- est for entire period. Those ity payable at New Delhi. The who withdraw the deposit be- deposit can be made by bank fore the allotrTJent of the Dwell- 307 Written Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Wntten Answers 308

Ing Unit and after the expiry of 27 Depositors are advised to one year of the deposit of the communICate changes In their amount, would be entitled only address from time to time to to Simple mterest at the above the Accounts offICer (hOUSing) said rate with a copy to the Dy director (H-1) quoting their Deposit 22 It IS not poSSible to check ehgl Receipt Number and the Reg- billty of the applicants at the Istration Number with dates tim e of reg 1St ration Those who are not eligible would register 28 In case a registered person themselves at their own risk gets aflats In any locality once and would not be entitled to or the flats IS sufrenderedl the allotment of flat or any Inter cancelled due to non-compli- est on theIr deposit even If ance of the requirement the they are registered o 0 A s obligation to allot a flats to him Will be deemed to 23 Person reglsteted wrth DO A have been discharged In other schemes can get their registration converted under 29 The allotlT'ents to be made thiS scheme subject to the under this registration scheme terms and condltlors laid down would be governed by the rules In thiS brochure The option for of the Deihl Development transferto thiS scheme Isopen AuthOrity (Management and onlytl1l1hetimeofthis reglstra Disposal of Housmg Estates) tlon and no further change will Regulation, 1968 be permItted after the optIon IS once exercised Issue of Ration Cards

24 The payment for the flat WIll be 6537 SHRI PRATAPRAO B made by the allotted after ad- BHOSALE Will the MInister of FOOD AND Justing the amount depoSIted CIVIL SUPPLIES be pleased to state by them at the tIme of reglstra tlon and the Interest due If (a) whether some mstructlons eXist to any ensure Issue of ration cards to applicants WIthin some time-bound penod In Deihl 25 The Interest payable/adjust able In the case of a success (b) If so, the details thereof ful applicant In the draw would be upto the date on which the (c) whet~er these Instructions are not drawforthespeclflcflat IS held being followed In all Circle offtces of Deihl

(d) If so, the steps taken In thiS regard 26 The above terms and conditions Will be followed generally (e) whether Government propose to but the 0 0 A reservesltsrrght Issue Similar instructions for other States to alter any of them In Its diS- and Unton TerritOries, and cretion as and when conSid- ered necessary (1) If not, the reasons therefor? 309 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 310

THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL the reasons therefor? SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. It has been reported by THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Delhi administration that as per existing MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY instructions a food card is Issued forthwith, WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): on receipt of application, If proof of residence (a) Two regional Clinica! Laboratories are and surrender/deletion certificate accompa- functioning under CGHS Delhi. nies it. (b) The following pathological tests are The proof of resjdenc~ could be docu- conducted in the laboratories: mentary evidence like rent receipt, letter of allotment, electricity/waterltelephone bill. i) Unrine routine examination, urine house tax receipt or no object certificate from for albumin, sugar, micro-scopic land-lord. In case where no documentary for RBC, puscell, Crusts, Bile salts, evidence regarding residence is furnished. Bile pigments and Acetone: the food card is issued after vertlfication of the factum of residence of the applicant. ii) Stool for oval crusts, Trophozoites, Puscells, ABC and bolld tests. (c) and (d). Deihl AdministratIOn has stated that these Instructions are being fol- iii) Blood examination for HB, WBC, lowed in all circle offices of Deihl. TCO, OLC, ESR, Blood (Bio-chem- Icstry) for sugar, Urea and (e) and (f). The administration of Public Cholestrol. Besides these tests , the Distribution System. Including deciSion re- LaboratOries in CGHS polyclinics garding procedures, rests With the State are also performmg the following Government/UT Administrations. tests:

Regional Clinical Pathology under a) Unne for pregnancy test; C.G.H.S. b) Blood for ABO, RH, Grouping for 6538. SHRI PRATAPRAO B. ante-natal cases; BHOSALE: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state: c) Blood for RBC morphology for typ- Ing of aaemia and heparasites like (a) the number of regional clinical pa- MP and microfilaria. thology under Central Government hea~h Scheme functioning in Deihl: The samples in the laboratories are accepted on the requisition of spe- (b) the details of services being pro- Cialists/Medical Officers working in vided by the institution and criteria for accep- CGHS: tance of various clinical samples; (c) and (d). No such proposal is under (c) whether Government propose to set consideration; due to financial constraints. up some more such centres In different zones of Central Government Health Scheme in levy Sugar to Orissa Delhi; and 6539. SHRIGOPI NATHGAJAPATHI: (d) if so, the details thereof and if not, Will the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL 311 VVriff9nAnsW9~ APRIL 25, 1990 Wrlttsn Ans..." 312

SUPPLIES be pleased to state: (c) if so, whether Government propose to ban the use of light grade edible oils tn the (a) the allocation of levy sugar to Orissa manufacture of vanaspati; and during 1989-90, month-wise; (d) if not, the reasons therefor? (b) whether it is a fact that the allocation of levy sugar made to Orissa in 1989-90 was THE MINISTER Of FOOD AND CIVIL inadequate against it requirement; and SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): (a) In sa far edible oils are concerned there (c) if so, the steps taken to enhance the is not such oil as light grade edible-oil. allocation of levy sugar to Orissa in 1990- 91? (b) to (d). Question does not arise.

THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL Clearance of Chartered Fishing Appli- SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): cations (a) and (b). Under the present policy of partial control. levy sugar allotments to State 6541. SHRI PRAKASH V. PATIL: wm GovemmentslUnion Territories are made the Minister of FOOD PROCESSING IN- on uniform norms of ensuring minimum 425 DUSTRIES be pleased to state: gms per capita monthly availability for projected population as on 1.10.1986 effective (a) whether Government had invited from 1st February, 1987. Accordingly, proposal for charter fishing trawlers in Au- monthly levy sugar quota for Orissa is 12393 gust, 1989; tonnes. (c) if so, the details of companies who (c) Keeping in view the present esti- applied for charter fishing trawlers; mated sugar production and availability, it will not be possible to revise the norms of (c) the number of proposal cleared so levy sugar allocation to StateslUnion T errito- far; and ries at present. (d) the time by which the remaining light Grade Edible Oils for Vana.patl proposals likely to be cleared?

6540. SHRIGOPINATHGAJAPATHI: THE MlNrSTEA FOR TEXTILES AND Will the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- SUPPLIES be pleased to state: DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD VADAV): (a) V'8S, Sir. (a) whether it is a fact that light grade edible oils are being increasingly used in the (b) A statement is attached. manufacture of vanaspati; (c) and (d). All the proposal were con- (b) whether Government are aware that sidered by the Charter Screening Commit- prolonged consumption of these oil may tee. No Letter of Intent has been issued so cause cancer; far. 313 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 314

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Bonded Labourers In the North Eastern THE MINISTER OF lABOUR AND Region' WELFARE (SHRt RAM VIlAS PASWAN): (a) and (b). MIs Shaw Wallace ltd., have two 6542. SHRt PARASRAM BHARDWAJ: manufacturing units, one at Calcutta and the Will the Minister of LABOUR be pleased to other at Hyderabad. The ESI Contributions state: in respect of both the units are being deposited regularly. The factory of MIs. Videocon (a) whether any assessment of bonded ltd. at Aurangabad is not covered under the labourers in the North Eastern Region States ESI Act, as it falls in an areas where the ESI al'ld Union Territories has been made and if Scheme has not so far, been implemented. so, the details in this regard; However, one establishment oi Mrs. Vide- aeon Ltd., at Bombay has been covered (b) the Stat05 and Union Territories in under the ESI Act provisionally w.eJ. 1.4.89. the North Eastern Regions where the cen- the coverage intimation has been sent to the trally sponsored schemes for rehabilitation Company on 9.3.1990. the compliance from of bonded labourers has been implemented; this units is awaited. and (c) Deef> not arise. (c) the details of allocation of funds for rehabilitation of bonded labourers in the region? EPF Amount Outstanding Against Shaw Wallace Ltd. and Videocon THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND Company Ltd. WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN): (a) The incidence of Bonded Labour has not 6544. SHRI KARIA MUNDA: Will the been reported in the States in the North Minister of LABOUR be pleased to state: Eastern Region. (a) whether it is a fact that Shaw Wal- (b) and (c). Does not arise. lace Ltd. and Videocon Company Ltd. have not been depositing the amount with the Est Amount Outstanding Against Shaw concerned Regional Provident Fund Com- Wallace and Vldeocon Ltd. missioner's Officers;
6543. SHRI KARIA MUNDA: Will the Minister of LABOUR be pleased to state: (b) if so, the details of the amount deposited during the last three years with the (a) whether it isa fact that the Shaw concerned R.P.E.C.'s offices: and Wallace ltd. and Videocon Ltd. have not been depositing the amounts with the con- (c) action contemplated for the recov- cerned authorities of E.S.I. Corporation: ery of the arrears?
(b) if so, the details of the amount deposited during the last three years with the THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND E.S.! Corporation: and WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN): (a) to (c). The requisite information is being (c) action contemplated for the recov- collected and will be laid on the Table of the ery of arrears? Sabha in due course. 347 Written Answets· APRtl25, 1990
Unauthorised Encroachment of DDA DUSTRIES (SHRt SHARAI) YADAV): (a) land Near Vasant Continental. New Uttar Pradesh hB$ total area of 3,00,000 Delhi H.A. of oak flora distributed in Garhwal. Pithoragarh. Chamoll, Uttarkashi, Tehri. 6545. SHRI C.M. NEGI: Will the Minis- Nainital and Almora. which- collsrs Khirsu ter of URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased Block also. to state: (b) to ·(d). Realising the availability of (a) whether Government are awa~e that extensive oak plantation in Uttar Pradesh a huge chunk of prime land has been girdled including Garhwal regions. the Central Silk around by barbed wire fencing in the vicinity Board in coordination with the Oepartmentof of Vasant Continental, New Delhi; Sericulture. Uttar Pradesh is conducting a detailed survey to identity the specific vil- (b) if so, the reason therefor: and lages for development of oak tasar/cutture in the State. The Central Silk Board has al- (c) the steps taken or proposed to clear ready established a Regional Tasar Re- the encroachment? search Station for extending necessary Research and Development and extension THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEL- support to the oak tasar industry in the State. OPMENT (SHRI MURASOLI MARAN): (a) to (c). Delhi Development Authority has Import of Drugs Which are Manufac- reported that it has fenced the Government tured In India land in the VICinity of Vas ant Continental Hotel, Placed at Its disposal for protecting 6547. SHRt LOKNATH CHOUDHURY: the same, and for its development. No fresh Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY encroachments have ben reported there. WELFARE be pleased to state:
OAK Forest for Silk Production (a) types of drugs which are being allowed to be imported into the country under 6546. SHRt C.M. NEGI: Will the MiniS- the provisions of Drugs and Cosmetics Act; ter of TEXTILES be pleased to state: (b) whether such drugs or medicines. (a) whether Government are aware that both allopathic and homoepathic. which are b~ing Khirsu Block of Pauri. Garhwal. In Uttar already manufactured in this country, Pradesh is one of the Biggest oak (Bainjh) are also allowed to be imported; and forest in the world: (c) if so. the reasons theretor? (b) if so, whether Government are contemplating to set up projects for produc- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE tion of Oak and Tsar SIlk In thiS region; MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAM~L Y WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASooD): (c) if so, the details thereof: and (a) The life saving and anti cancer drug preparations are permitted to be imported Cd) if not, the steps being taken to utilise under list 3 Appendix 6 of Import and Export the vast Oak Forest for Silk production? Policy (Vol-I). published by the Govemment of India, Ministry of Commerce. The Drugs THE MINISTER FOR TEXTILES AND and Cosmetics Act is essentially a legisla- MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- tion to control the quality of drugs. 349 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Writtsn Answsrs 3SO
(b) and (c). The fife saving drugs and Cd) whether the WOIk on the scheme is anti cancer preparations which are not likely to commence during the financial year manufactured in the country or are not pro- 1990-91; duced in adequate quantity to meet the requirements of country are alfowedfor import (e) if so, the allocations made to the under Open General Licence by the Chief Punjab Government for this purpose; Controller of Imports and Exports, Ministry of Commerce. (f) if not, when the work is ~kety to commence on the scheme and the reasons edible 011 to Vanaspatl units for delay in this regard?
6548. SHRI RAMDAS SINGH: Will the THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEL- Ministerof FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES be OPMENT (SHRI MURASOLI MARAN): (a) pleased to state: to (f). The details are being gathered and will be laid on the table of the House. (a) the criteria and norms laid down for allocating imported edible oils to vanaspati [English] industry; and Navigational Lock Gate at Farakka (b) the details of Vanaspati units to whom imported edible oil is proposed to be 6550. SHRI ZAINAL ABEDIN: Will the given. during this year and the Vanaspati Minister of WATER RESOURCES be unit black-listed, if any? pleased to state:
THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL (a) in which year the navigational lock SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): gate at Farakka was commissioned; (a) and (b). During the Current Year. no allocation of imported oil is being made to (b) whether it is being utilised for navi- Vanaspati industry. gation purpose since its commissioning; and
[ Translation] (c) if not, the reasons therefor?
Development of Mand Area in Punjab THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MlN\SlRY OF WAlER RESOURCES lSHR\ 6549. S. ATINDER PAL SINGH: Will MANUBHAI KOTADIA): (a) 1987. the Minister of URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state: (b) Yes, Sir.
(a) whether 'Town and Country Plan- (c) Does not arise. ning Wing' of Punjab has formulated any scheme for the development of Mand area Farakka Barrage Project and the areas between and around the Beas and Sutlej rivers; 6551. SHRIZAINAlABEDIN: WiRthe Minister of WATER RESOURCES be (b) if so, the details of the scheme; pleased to state:
(c) the amount estimated to be spent on (a) whether new works have been the scheme; considered necessary for the safety and 351 WnIten AnStt'81S APRIL 25. 1990 smooth operation of the Farakka Barrage as pleased to state: envisaged in the Second Revised Estimate made in 1987; and (a) whether Union Govamment have received a scheme, for Housing for coir (b) if so, the details of the new works to workers from Government of Keraia for be undertaken alongwith lbe estimated cost subsidy; liabilities thereof? (b) if so, the details thereof; and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OFWATERAESOURCES (SHAI (c) the action taken by Govemment in MANUBHAI KOTADIA): (a) and (b). A provi- this regard? sion of about As. 44 crores has been made in the Second revised estimate for the bank THE MINISTER OF UABAN DEVEL- protection works that may be required to OPMENT (SHRI MURASOU MARAN): (a) restore damages caused due to severe to (c). The Government of Kerala has in- floods. formed that no request for Central Govern- ment subsidy for housing for coir workers Hospital for Seedl Workers at Midn8- has been sent to the Union Government pore (West Bengal) Agro-Based Industries In Rural Areas 6552. SHRI SATYAGOPAL MISRA: WiD the Minister of LABOUR be pleased to 6554. SHAI PARASRAMBHARDWAJ: state: Will the Minister of FOOD PROCESSING INDUSTRIES be pleased to state:
THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND (b) if so, whether any assessment has WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN): been made regarding potential in the food (a> No, Sir. processing industries; and
(b) Question doe not arise. (c) if so, the details thereof?
(c) Under beedi Workers Welfare Fund THE MINISTER FOR TEXTILES AND II dispensaries and .one Chest Clinic have MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- been set up in West Bengal. It has also been DUSTRIES (SHAI SHARAD VADAV):
WOrld Bank AssIatance for Karnataka (b) The question does not arise. Tank irrigation Project KapurthaJa Plots 6555. SHRI SRIKANTHA DAIT A NARAStMHA RAJA WADIYAR: Will the 6557. SHRI T. BASHEER: Will the Mioister of WATER RESOURCES be Minister of URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state: pleased to state:
(a) whether the Karnataka Tank Irriga- (a) whether there has been a persistant tion Project 'is under implementation with demand from Government of Kerala for the Work Bank assistance; return of Kapurthala plots in New Delhi to the State Government; (b) if so, when the project was com- menced; and (b) if so, the response of the Union Government thereto; and (c) the details of assistance obtained from the World Bank·for implementing that (c) the time by whICh the plots are likely project so far? to be returned?
THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEL- MINISTRYOFWATER RESOURCES (SHRI OPMENT (SHRI MURASOLI MARAN): (a) MANUBHAI KOTADIA): (a) to (c). The Kar- Yes, Sir. nataka Tank Irrigation Project was under implementation with World Bank assistance (b) and (c). Out of a total of 6.05 acres of amounting to US $ 54 million during 1981- Kapurthala plot 2.164 acres has already 89. The credit assistance forthls project was been handed over to the Government of closed on 31.3.1989 after being fully utilised. Kerala. Security lines of the Delhi Police are located in the remaining area. Handing over New Technique to Detect Physical of this land to the Government of Kerala is Illness in Human Body dependent upon its vacation by the Delhi Police, for which it IS not possible to give any 6556. SHRI P. PENCHALLAIAH: Will definite time. the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state: Availability of Doctors in Rural Areas
(a} whether some British experts have 6558. SHRI T. BASHEER: evolved new methods in detecting the physi- SHRI HARI SHANKAR MA- cal illness in human bodies: HALE:
(b) if so, the steps taken to adopt them Will the Minister of HEAlTH AND into hospitals in our country? FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state:
THE MINISTER Of STATE OF THE (a) whether the ratio of availability of MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY doctors to population in rural and as is not WELFARE (SHRl RASHEED MASOOD): satisfactory; and 355 Written Answers APRll25,1990 Written Answel'S 356
(b) if so, the steps taken or proposed to take to stop this kind of practice? take to correct the imbalance? THE MINtSTER OF STATE OF THE THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOO): WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): (a) and (b). The recognition of medical quali- (a) and (b). As per information available form fications granted by the universities or the States/UTs. 21006 Medical Officers in- medical institutions to which the medical cluding Specialists are working in the rural colleges are afiliated, is done by the Central areas of the country under the Government Government. Medical Council of India how- set up, serving an average rural population ever conducts inspections of the medical of 28,200 approximately. colleges to ensure that they are complying with the minimum standards laid down by it. Over and above these Medical Officers The Medical Council if necessary can make under State Government/U.T.s, there are a representation to the Central Government other Private medical Practitioners serving for derecognition of particular college under the rural areas, including Medical Practitio- the fMC Act, 1956. According to the Medical ners of I.S.M. Homoeopathy. Ayurvedic, Council of India, some medical colleges do Unan; and Sidha Systems. not fully conform to the requirements.
The State Governments have been urged to fill up the vacant post of Medical (c) The students have joined these Officers in the rural area besides establish- medical colleges knowing fully wellthatthese Ing more primary Health Centres so as to· colleges did not fulfil the minimum require- reach the norm of one PHC FOR 30.000 ments laid down by the Medical Council of population in general areas and 20.000 India. However, since the medical degress population in tribal and hilly areas. of the universities, to which these colleges are affiliated. are recognised, there is no Unrecognised Medical Colleges difficulty tor the candidates of these colleges getting the degress or practising profession 6559. SHRI T. BASHEER: Will the in the State concerned. Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WEL- F ARE be pleased to state: (d) The Government have already in- (a) whether there are number of medi· formed the various State Government that cal colleges in the country which have not they should not establish new medical col- been recognised by the Medical Council of leges in the light of the large scale availability India; ofquclified medicalpraditioners inthecoun- try. The Central Council of health and Family (b) if so, the details thereof: Welfare has also been passing resolutions advising 1ne State Government against the (c) whether Govl?rnment are .aware that e~tablishment of new medical colleges in the the students in many of these colleges ~re country. A bill to amend the Indian Medical facing lot of difficulties because of these Council Act is already before Parliament in colleges running without recognition of the which a provision is proposed for getting the medical college; and prio{ permission of the Medical Council of India and the Government of India before (d) the steps Government propose to establishing new medical colleges. 357 Wfltten Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 358
Reservation benefits to Poor Scheduled (a) the total estimated cost of Har- Castes Ishchandra Sagar Medium Irrigation Project In Jhalawar district of Rajasthan, 6560 BABA SUCHA SINGH Will the MInister of WELFARE be pleased to state (b) the details of central assistance prOVided for thiS purpose so far. (a) whether the reservation benefit for Scheduled Castes IS not reaching the poor (c) the total allocation proposed to be Scheduled Castes amongst themselves made by Union Government for that project dUring thiS financial year, (b) If so, whether Government propose to make any dlfferenclatlon between the (d) whether there IS any proposal to poor and the rich Scheduled Castes for Increase thiS allocation and availing of reservation benefits and (e) If so, the details thereof? (c) If so the details thereof? THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES (SHRI DEPARTMENT OF WOMEN AND CHILD MANUBHAIKOTADIA) (a)Rs 1793crores DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF (1 989 price level) WELFARE (SHRIMATI USHA SINHA) (a) to (c) The safeguards Including reservation (b) About 02 crores of advance plan for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Trtbes assIstance was prOVided In addition to Rs In Governmf'nt services as prOVided for In 5 91 crores prOVIded under the State Plan the Constitution aIm at achieVing eQuality of status and of opportunity It has been the (c) 1990-91 State Plan proposal has not endeavour of the administration to errend been finalised the facllrty of effective educatlc n to the most deserving In the reserved cr1tenOrlE>S through (d) and (e) Do not anse proper educational concessions like schol arshlp, special training etc ThiS approach Women's Training Under National has resulted In conSiderable num9E'r of Training Project Scheduled Castes Scheduled Tribes In more vulnerable and dependant areas getting 6562 SHRI K S RAO Will the Minister benefit out of the reservation poliCY It may of LABOUR be pleased to state also be stated that under the economic support/poverty alleViatIOn efforts of the (a) whether the Directorate General of Government Scheduled Castes/Scheduled Employment and Training IS launchlnp 3. Tribes below poverty line are being aSSisted crash programme for Women straining uno",r to bring them above the poverty line on a the National Training Project With the assl- continuing bnslS tance of the World Bank
Allocation of Fund for Hanshchandra Sagar Project (b) If so the details of the programme
6561 SHRIMATI VASUNDHARA (C) whether It IS also proposed to set up RAJE Will the Minister of WATER RE· a number of new Industrral Trammg Insti- SOURCES be pleased to state tutes exclUSively for women, and 359 Written AnswelS APRIL 25, 1990 Written AnswelS 360
(d) if so, the deta~s thereof and distribu- Women ITlslWings. The assitance woutd be tion of these institutes in various States? towards equipment, staff, training material as also civil works. Under Central Sectoffour more Regional Vocational Traming Institutes THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND for Women are proposed to be set up be- WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN): s!des strengthening and diversifYing new (a) Yes, Sir. trades in the existing National Vocational Training Institute for WomenlAegional Vo- (b) In order to expand and diversify the cational Training Institutes for Women. The training facilities for women, suitable~plan Women Training Cell in the OGE&T Head- schemes have been formulated under Na- quarters is also proposed to be upgraded tional Training Project with World. Bank and strengthened. assistance. The schemes envIsage assis~ tance to the State Governments for estab- (e) Yes, Sir. lishment of 100 new Women ITlslWings and introduction of new trades in the 64 existing (d) A statement is enclosed.
STATEMENT
Statewise opening of new ITis/Wings for Women
51. No. Name of the State No. of ITis
1. Andhra Pradesh 13
2. Assam 3
3. GUJarat 4
4. Haryana 5
5. Kerata 5
6. Madhya Pradesh 10
7. Uttar Pradesh 9
a. West Bengal 4
9. Maharashtra 9
10. Bihar 8
11. Karnataka '0
12. Tamil Nadu 5
13. Rajasthan 4
14. Orissa 6 361 Written AnswelS VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written AnsWBrs 362
5/. No. Name of the State No. of/Tis
15. Punjab 5
Total 100
[ Translation] Utilisation of Cotton Produced in Punjab Under Utilisation of Installed Capacity of Splnfed Mills In Punjab 6564. S. ATINDER PAL SINGH: Will the Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to 6563. S. ATINDER PAL SINGH: Will state: the Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to state: (a) whether Government are aware that Punjab is the largest finest variety cotton (a) whether it is a fact that the mills of producing state; Punjab Spinfed are making under utilisation of their installed capacity; (b) if so, whether there is any comprehensive scheme with the Government for (b) if so, the names of mills ~nder the complete consumption of this raw mate- utilising their capacity and prod uction of wh ich rial in the State itself. is below their targets alongwith mill-wise details thereof? (c) whether Government propose to introduce any comprehensive scheme for (c) the reason for non-utilisation of the producing superior quality of cotton cloth of installed capacity; international standards and quality in Punjab;
(d) the steps being taken to enable (d) if so, the complete details in this them to utilise their ful.1 capacity and the time regard: and by which these mills would be able to do so; and (e) if not the reasons for not setting up textile industries on large scale in Punjab to (e) the details of the mill-wise targets provide the full benefit of the production to fixed for the current year? the farmers there?
THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND THE MINISTER FOR TEXTILES AND MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV): (a) DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAO YADAV): (a) to Punjab produces the largest amountof short! (d). The information is being collected and medium staple cotton in the country. will be laid on the table of the House as soon as it is ready. (b) and (c). No. Sir.
(d) Does not arise. (e) No Mill-wise target has been fixed by the Government. (e) Government allows setting up of 363 Written Answers APRll25,1990 Written Answers 364 textile Industries In all States In accordance land-owners whose land IS being acquired wrth eXisting norms of loeatlonal and other for urban development m Pun,tab and Chan- pohcles drgarh,
[EnglISh} (b) If so, the details thereof,
(c) whether there IS any scheme to gIve Medium Irrigatton Projects of Jhalawar them share In the new JObs created as a and Dholpur Districts In RaJasthan result of therr land haVing been acqUIred and 6565 SHRIMATI VASUNDHARA RAJE Will the MIOIster of WATER RE- (d) If not, the reasons thereof? SOURCES be pleased to state
(a) whether Government have a pro- THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEL- posal to take up the executIon of some OPMENT (SHRI MURASOLI MARAN) (a) medIum Irrigation projects In Jhalawar and to (d) The details beIng gathered and Will be Dholpur districts of Ralasthan dunng the laid on the Table of the House Erghth five Year Plan period and
(b) If so the detaIls ofthe estimated cost Rice to Southern States and Irngatlon potential of those projects? 6567 SHRI SRIKANTHA DATTA NARASIMHARAJA WADIYAR Will the THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES be MINISTRY OFWATER RESOURCES (SHRI pleased to state MANUBHAI KOTADIA) (a) and (b) Erghth Plan has not been finalised, however the (a) whether a number of Southern State Government have IntImated that they States have requested to enhance the allo propose to take up Chauh, Plplad and Gu- cation of nce quota to those States and landl medium Irngatlon projects .at an estl mated cost of about As 20 crores with (b) If so, the steps taken In that regard? IrngatlOn potential of about 16 thousand hectare In Jhalawar district and Lower Par watl Medium Irrtgatlon Project at an esti- THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL mated cost of about Rs 11 crores With SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA) 'rrlgatlOn potent,al of about 8 thousand hec- (a) and (b) The allocation of foodgralns for tare In Dholpur district In the VIII plan Public distribution System from the Central Pool are made on a month to month baSIS taking Into account the overall availability of Job in Lieu of Land Acquisition In stocks In the Central Pool, relative needs of Punjab vanous States, market availability and other related factors Requests for Increase In 6566 BABA ~UCHA SINGH win the monthly allotments received from the States Mlnrster of URBAN DEVELOPMENT be for Increase In monthly allotments received pleased to state from the States, including states from the southern India, are conSidered against the (a) the scheme, If any, to settle the background of above mentIoned factors 365 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 366
[Trans/ation] (a) whether Lhasi irrigation project in Kota, Rajasthan is proposed to be included More Food Processing Industries to be in the Eighth five Year Plan; setup (b) if so, the estimated cost of that 6568. S. ATINOER PAL SINGH: Will project; the Minister of FOOD PROCESSING IN- DUSTRIES be pleased to state: (c) the amount allocated or proposed to be allocated for 1990-91 to take up the (a) whether Government propose to execution of that project. and set up some more food processing Indus- tries in the near tuture particularly during the (d) whether the project is likely to be next Five Year Plan completed by the end ofthe Eighth Five Year plan? (b) If so, the details In regard thereto: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (c) whether GovE'rnment propose to set MINISTRYOFWATER RESOURCES (SHRI up poultry and grape based Industrtes: MANUBHAI KOTAOIA): (a) Governmentof Rajasthan has proposed the Inclusion of this (d) If so, the names of places and the project in the 8th Plan. time by which these Industnes are likely to be set up alongwrth the production and con- (b) the project was found acceptable by sumption projections thereof: and the AdVisory committee in March, 1982 for an estimated cost of Rs. 5.45 crores. The (e) if not. the reasons for not setting up latest estimated cost is indICated by Govern- such industries? ment of Rajasthan as As. 10.02 crores.
THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND (c) Nil. MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD Y ADAV). (a) to (d) Yes, Sir. (e). The MInistry of food Processing Indus- tnes have formulated certain Plan Schemes Export of Medium Staple Cotton tor 1990-91, for the development of frUit based mdustrles (tncludlng grapes) and 6571. SHRIMATI VASUNDHARA poultry Industry, among others. It IS not RAJE: Will the Minister of TEXTILES be possible to indicated the exact locations or pleased to state: time frame, as these would depend on response from various Implementing agen- (a) whether Government propose to cies. export medium staple cotton in the current financial year; [English] (b) if so, the total bales of medium staple cotton proposed to be exported to Lhasi Irrigation Project of Rajasthan different countries during the current finan- Cial year; and 6570. SHRIMATI VASUNDHARA RAJE: Will the Minister at WATER RE- (c) the steps taken by the Cotton Corpo- SOURCES be pleased to state: ration of India in that direction? 367 Written Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Written Answets 368
THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND (b) the quantity of rice procured during MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- the last three years, State-wise; and DUSTRIES (SHAI SHARAD YADAV): (a) and (b). Government have released a quota (c) the quantity given to States during for the export of 5.251akh bales of cotton of the above period? staple length 24.5 MM and above (which covers medium staple) during the 1989-90 THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL cotton season. SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): (a) The requirement of rice for Public distri- (c) Cotton Corporation of India has. out bution System varies from year to year. of the quota for the export of 2.90 lakh bales However. as per buffer stocking policy of the of cotton of staple length 24.5 MM and abave GovernmEmt the size of buffer stocks of rice allotted to it. registered 2.08 lakh bales for to be maintained by the Public agencies export and shipped 0.32 lakh bales till 12th should be 5 million tonnes. This buffer stock April. 1990. would be over and above the operational stocks which. on different dates of the year. Procurement and Allocation of Rice would range between the lowest figure of 1.5 million tonnes of 1st October and the highest 6572. SHRI K. S. RAO: Will the Minister figure of 5.9 million tennes on the 1st January of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES be pleased of the year. to state: (b) Statement-! giving the information is (a) the approximate quantity of rice attached. required annually to meet the demand of the Public Distribution System and also to re- (c) Statement-II giving the information plenish the buffer stocks In the Central Pool: IS attached. 369 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 370
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Licences to Flour mills THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEL- OPMENT (SHRI MURASOLI MARAN): (a) 6573. SHRI K. D. SULTANPURI: Will to (c). Removal of illegal structures, includ- the Minister of FOOD PROCESSING IN- ing commercial constructions, is done by the DUSTRIES be pleased to state the number Local Bodies in accordance with the preva- of licences issued for setting up of flour mills lent laws and policy on the subject. in the country during last two years, State- wise? A total of 290 unauthorised commercial constructions were removed by the Local THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND Bodies in their respective jurisdictions dur- MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- ing the last 3 months. DUSTRIES (SHAI SHARAD YADAV): The roller flour milling industry has been de- [Eng/ish] licensed in 1986 and therefore, no industrial licence in required for setting up a flour mill Failure of Conciliation Proceedings except in cases where the proposed location with Nationalised Coal Industry is not covered by the loeational policy of the Government. Only one licence was issued in 6575. SHRI A. K. ROY: Will the Minister Maharashtra. during last two years. of LABOUR be pleased to state:
Illegal Commercial Constructions (a) the number of Reports on Failure of Conciliation Proceedings connected with the 6574. SHRI AAM SAGAR (Saidpur): nationalized coal industry received by Gov- Will the Minister of URBAN DE VELOPMENT ernment during the last three years, year- be pleased to state: wise and company-wise; and
(b) the details of the Reports referred (a) whether Government propose to for adjudication, rejected and kept pending remove illegal commercial constructions In for more than three months? Delhi: THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND (b) if so. the number of illegal construc- WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN): tions removed during the last three months: (a) and (b). A statement is laid on the Table and of the House. 385 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 386
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Industrial Disputes in Dhanbad with BCCl and ECl, year-wise; and
6576. SHRI A. K. ROY: Will the Minister (b) the details of cases resolved through of LABOUR be pleased to state. conciliation and which ended in failure and are pending for more than six months?
(a) the details of Industrial disputes THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND dealt with by the conciliation machinery of WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN): Regional Labour Commissioner (C) Dhan- (a) and (b). A statement is laid on the Table bad dUring the last three years connected of the House. 391 Written Answel'S APRIL 25, 1990 Written AnsWBIS 392
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Improvement In the performance of the previous year. NTC Mills The improvement has been made pos- 6577. SHRI K. S. RAO: Will the Minrster sible by the strategy pursued by the Corpo- of TEXTILES be pleased to state: ration which covers, inter-alia, pruning of un- economic capacities, improving utilisation of (a) whether there has been a lot of viable and economic a~ivities, increasing improvement in the performance of NTC yarn production, product upgration, increas- mills during 1989-90 as compared to 1988- ing price realisation of labour and effecting 89; economies in purchase of cotton etc.
(b) if so, the details of the improvements (c) Government had provided an amount made in 1989-90 and the reasons therefor: of Rs. 287 crores in 1989-90 towards reim- bursement of cash losses incurred by NTC (c) the amount prOVided for re-imburse- Mills. ment of cash losses tf1curred by the National Textile Corporation in 1989-90: (d) and (e). The entire amount of Rs. 287 crores was released by the Government (d) whether due to Improvements In the to NTC during 1989-90. This covered reim- performance of NTC mills the actual reim- bursement of cash losses during 1989-90 bursement of cash IMses IS likelY to be less and backlog of unreimbursed cash losses than that is provided In the budget; and amou nting to Rs. 167 crores, as on 31 .3.1989.
(e) if so, the extent thereof? [ Translation]
THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND Damage of Foodgrains MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV): (a) 6578. SHRI K. D. SULTANPURI: Will Yes, Sir. the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES be pleased to state the quantity of rice and (b) DUring the period April, 1989 to wheat rendered damaged In godowns dur- February 1990, the textile mills under NTC ing last three years, State-wise, year-wise? Incurred provIsional net losses of Rs. 167.39 crores as compared to Rs. 271.33 crores THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL during the correspond I'lQ period of the prevI- SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): ous year. The provIsIOnal cash loss Incurred (a) Some stock of toodgrains so damaged dunngAprrl, 1989toFebruary. 1990wasRs. during the last three years with FCI, the main 103.65 crores as compard to Rs. 209.85 public agency handling Government stocks, crores dUring the corresponding penod of are given in the annexed statement. 395 Written Answers APRil 25. 1990 Written Answ9fS 396 ~-- :E 'S U) Q) Q) L() f'-.. ('") ~~ Q) (j) 5 ,~ CD C'1 01 N ~ cr: ~
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casa. of Alleged Corruption SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): There are no corruption cases pending in 6579. SHRt K. D. SUL TANPURt: Will courts against any officers of the Ministry of the Minister of FOOD AND CIVIL SUP- food & Civil Supplies and its attached and PLIES be pleased to state the partIculars of subordinate offices. The details of serving the officers of the Ministry, sub-ordinate offi- officers in the Food Corporation of India and cers and public undertaking against whom Central Warehousing Corporation against cases of alleged corruptIon are pending In whom corruption cases and pending in the courts? Courts of law are given in the attached Statement. THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVil 403 Written Answers APRil 25. 1990 Written Answers 404
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[English] DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF WELFARE (SHRIMATI USHA SINHA): (a) A Scheduled Castes Population statement is laid on the Table of the House
6580. SHRI PARAS RAM BHARDWAJ: (b)· and (c). ~uring the last three years Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleased Le. 1987-88 to 1989-90, upto February, to state: 1990,67,11,632 Scheduled Caste families have been economically assisted under (a) the population of Scheduled Castes various Poverty Alleviation Programmes, and Scheduled Tribes in the country, State- including those under the Centrally Spon- wise separately? sored Scheme of Scheduled Castes Devel- opment Corporations. Of them 5,70,841 (b) the number of such families bene- Scheduled Caste families were covered in fited under various Scheduled Caste/Tribe Madhya Pradesh. Development schemes during the last three years; and During the last three years Le. 1987-88 to 1989-90 February, 1990, a total of (c) the details of number of Scheduled 31,16,053 Scheduled Tribe families have Castes and Scheduled Tribes families bene- been economically assisted underthe Family fited in the State of Madhya Pradesh under benefiCiary-oriented programmes, including the Centrally Sponsored Schemes? those under the Centrally Sponsored Schemes. Among them, 7,22,194 Sched- THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE uled Tribe families were covered in Madhya DEPARTMENT OF WOMEN AND CHILD Pradesh.
STATEMENT
S. No. StatelUT S. C. Population S. T. Populalion
2 3 .J
1. Andhra Pradesh 7,961,730 3,176,001
2. Arunachal Pradesh 2,919 441,167
3. Assam 1,480,000· 218,600·
4. Bihar 10,142,368 5,810,867
5. Goa, Daman & Diu 23,432 10.721
6. Gujarat 2,438,297 4,848,586
7. Haryana 2,464,012 Not specified
8. Himachal Pradesh 1,053,958 197,263
9. Jammu & Kashmir 497,363'· 183,963** 413 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5.1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 414
S. No. StatelUT S. C. Population S. T. Population
2 3 4
10. Karnataka 5,595,353 1,825,203
11·. Kerala 2,549,382 261,475
12. Madhya Pradesh 7,398,533 11,987,031
13. Maharashtra 4,479,763 5,772,038
14. Manlpur 17,753 387,977
15. Meghalaya 5,492 1,076,345
16. Mizoram 135 4,61,907
17. Nagaland 650,885
18. Orissa 3,865,545 5,915,067
19. Punjab 4,511,703 Not Specified
20. Rajasthan 5,838,879 4,183.124
21. Sikkim '18,281 73,623
22. Tamil Nadu 8,881,295 520,226
23. Tripura 310,384 583,-920
24. Uttar Pradesh 23,453,339 232,705
25. West Bengal 12,000,768 3,070,672
26. Andaman & Nicobar Islands 22,361
27. Chandigarh 63,621 Not Specified
28. Dadra & Nagar Haveli 2,041 81,714
29. Delhi 1,121,643 Not Specified
30. Pond iche rry 96,636 Not Specified 415 Written AnSMPfS APRIL 25,1990 Written AnSMH'S 416 s. No. StatelUT s.c. Population S. T. Population
2 3 4
31. Lakshadweep 37,760
10,62,34,623 52,031,201
Notes: .. Projected figures •• estimated Figures.
Assistance for Nagpur City hours from 48 to 36 to overcome unemployment problem; 6581. SHRI VASANT SATHE: Will the Minister of URBAN DEVELOPMENT be (b) if so, the'details thereof: and pleased to sta1e: (c) when such a legislation is expected (a) whether the Government of Mahar- to be brought forward? ashtra have sought special fmanclal assIs- tance from Union Government far Improve- THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND ment of Nagpur CIty as second capital of the WELFARE ( SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN): State: (a) No, Sir.
(b) if so. the detaIls thereof: and (b) and (c). Do not arise.
(c) the action taken by Government [English] thereo,,? Setting up of CGHS Dispensaries in THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEL- Maharashtra OPMENT (SHRI MURASOll MARAN): (a) No, Sir. 6583. SHRI VASANT SATHE: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WEL- (b) and (c) Do not arise. FARE be pleased to state:
[ Translation] (a) whether Government have reo ceived requests/proposals for setting up of Amendment to the Factories Act CGHS dispensaries in various citiesllowns in Maharashtra: 6582. SHRI HARt KEWAL PRASAD: Will the Minister of LABOUR be pleased to (b) if so, the details of the requests/ c;tate: proposals received/under consideration;
(a) whether Government propose to (c) the action taken thereon: and bring forward legislation 10 amend the F acto- nes Act. 1948 redUCing the weekly working (d) details of expansion activities under 417 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answen; 418
CGHS in Maharashtra during 1990-91 and (c) whether Haryana Government have Eighth Plan proposals finalised? given their approval to the Central Water Commission for the above said water to be THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE flown through Haryana; MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): (d) whether the Planning Commission (a) No, Sir. have approved these projects;
(b) and (c) Does not arise. (e) if so, the cost of the construction of the said projects and the details of the land (d) The outlay on CGHS for the Vlllth to be irrigated thereby; and Five Year Plan is yet to be finalised. (1) if not, the time by which these proj- [ Translation] ects are likely to be approved by the Plan- ning Commission? Water for Nohar and Siddhmukh Projects out of Rajasthan's Share of Ravi-8eas Waters THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRYOFWATER RESOURCES (SHRt 6584. SHRI GIRDHARI LAL BHAR- MANUBHAI KOTADIA): (a) to (c). Yes, Sir. GAVA: Will the Minister of WATER RE- SOURCES be pleased to state: (d) and (f), In view of large spill-over (a) whether the Central Water Com- commrtment of on-going major and medium mIssion have given theIr techno-economic irrigation projects, the State Government concurrence to give 0-47 M. A F. water for has been requested by the Planning Com- the proposed Nohar and Siddhmukh proj- mission to indicate the priority to be given by ects for Irrigating the land of Nohar and the State for the projects within the availabil- Bhadra In Ganganagar Dlstnct out of Rajast- Ity of resources in the 8th plan. han'S share of 8.60 A. A. F. Ravl-Beas water:
(b) whether the MinIstry of EnVIronment (e) The costs and area to be benefited have also accorded theIr approval for the by the two projects, as accepted by the same; Central Water Commission are:
Project Cost Annual Irrigation
Sldhmukh Rs 103 Crores 33,620 ha.
Nohar Rs. 40.59 Crores 13,665 ha.
[English] WELFARE be pleased to state:
Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Imaging Facility (a) which are the Hospitals/Centresl Organisations in the country where Nuclear 6585. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL: Magnitic Resonance Imaging facility is pres- Will the MInister of HEALTH AND FAMILY ently available and those where it is likely to 419 Written Answers APRIL 25. 1990 Written AnsWBrs 420 be made available during the next one-two (a) whether Government propose to years; amend Indian Medical Council Act as demanded by Indian Medical Association; and (b) the outgo of foreign exchange involved in each case of imported equipment; (b) if so, the action taken by Govern- ment thereto? (c) the conditions regulatingthegrantof permission for such import-<:iid it envisage THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE the free treatment of the poor also; and MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): (d) the estimated number of patients (a) and (b). The Bill to' amend the Indian treated in the Central Government Hospitals Medical Council Act, 1956. as reported by since the installation of the above equip- the Joint Committee of both Houses of Par- ment? liament, is pending before the Parliament for consideration and passing. The suggestions THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE made by the Indian Medical Association for MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY further amendments have been noted. WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): (a) Institute of Nuclear Medicine and Allied Seeting up of Medical College in Sciences. Deihl. Breach Candy hospital. Tripur~ Bombay. Paramount·MRI Centre. Bombay and the Nizams Institute. Hyderabad have 6587. SHRI K. B. K. DEB BURMAN: the facility of Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Will the Minister of HEALTH AND F AMIL Y Imaging. The voluntary organisation Ruby WELFARE be pleased to state: Hall and Sanchit Isa Institute in Pune and All India Institute of Medical Sciences. New (a) whether there is a proposal to set up Deihl are very soon going to instal this facil- a Medical College in Tripura; and Ity. (b) The estimated foreign exchange (b) if so, the details thereof? cost for tne Import of one equipment is about Rs. 1.5 crores. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY (c) Government is giving custom duty WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): exemption for import of this equipment to (aJ No. Sir. voluntary organisations for diagnostic purposes subject to the condition that 40% (b) Does not arise. cases in O.P.D. and 10% of beds are reserved for providing free treatment. Neradi Banasa Dispute Between Andhra Pradesh and Orissa (d) This equipment has not bepn installed in any of the three Central Guv'ernment Hospital in Deihl. 6588. SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO: Will the Minister of WATER RESOURCES Representation to Amend Indian be pleased to state: Medical Council Act (a) whether Government of Andhra 6586. SHRI RAMESHWAR PRASAD: Pradesh had approached Onion 'Govern- Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY ment to settle the Neradi Banasa dispute WELFARE be pleased to stat:: with Government of Orissa; 421 Written Answers VAISAKHAS, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 422
(b) if so, the main issues raised therein; (b) if so, the details thereof?
(c) whether Government of Orissa had THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE disagreed with Government of Andhra MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY Pradesh on Some Issues which are likely to WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): affect the interest of Orissa durrng the the (a) No such proposal is under consideration. last meeting convened by Union Govern- ment; and (b) Does not anse.
(d) if so, the details thereof? Indians Working Abroad
THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 6590. SHRI K. MURALEEDHARAN: MINISTRY OFWATER RESOURCES (SHRI Will the Minister of LABOUR be pleaseCt to MANUBHAI KOTADIA): (a)to (d). The Inter- state: State issue b~tween Orissa and Andhra Pradesh regarding submergence by the (a) the number of Indians working barrage has been resolved. Now, Orissa abroad, country-wise; and Government is required to give formal concurrence to the project. In additIon, the State (b) the total foreign exchange remit- Government of Andhra Pradesh IS reqUired tances by the Indians working abroad? to secure clearance for the project from the environmental and forest angles. THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN): CGHS Facilites to Personal Staff of MPs (a) The figures relating to Indias working abroad are not being maintained. However, the total numberof persons to whom emigra- 6589. PROF. SAVITHRI LAKSH- tion clearances for employment abroad were MANAN. Will the Mlmster of HEALTH AND granted by Protectors of Emigrants for the FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state' year 1989 IS given In the attached State- ment. (a) whether Government propose to Issue Central Government Health Scheme (b) The total remittances received from cards to Personal ASSistants/Private Secre- Indians working abroad dUring 1987-88 was tarres of Members of Parliament; and Rs. 3,533 crores (apprx.). 423 Written AnSwelS APRil 25, 1990 Written AnswelS 424
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6591 SHRI ANBARASU ERA Will the 6593 SHRI P R.S VENKATESAN· Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WEL- SHRI SARJU PRASAD SA- FARE be- pleased to state ROJ
(a) the budget provIsion made for Will the MInister of HEALTH AND purchase of medlcmes for all systems of FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state medicines for CGHS dUring 1989-90, and (a) whether there IS unanimity amongst (b) the actual expenditure Incurred medical speclahsts as to ailments/diseases dUring the first nine months of 1989-90? Induced/caused by tobacco and tobacco based products and If so, the details thereof THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY (b) whether any studIes have been WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD) made In th,s field and If so, the details thereof (a) and (b) The total prOVIsIon for purchase of medicines dunng 1989-90 was Rs 1069 8 (c) the estimate annual break-up of lakhs out of which Rs 825 7 were Incurred each disease InvolVing heart, lungs, respira- dUring the first nine month (April to Decem- tory etc ascrrbed to use of tobacco In varIOus ber 1989) forms, State-wise and year-wise for the last three years, and Survey of Smoking Trend (d) whether WHO's world-Wide non- 6592 SHRI P R S VENKATESAN smoking day was sUitably celebrated and ~ Will the Mlntster or HEALTH AND FAMILY so, the details thereof? WELFARE be pleased to state
(a) whether any country wise survey of THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE smoking trends has been earned out so far MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY and If so the details thueof WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD) (a) to (d) The Information IS being collected (b) whether any regional differences and Will bE' laid on the Table ot the Sabha have been found In these surveys and 'f so results tnereof State wise and Sea~ed Cover Procedure in CPWD
(c) the corrective steps taken/proposed 6594 SHRI HARISH RAWAT Will the to be taken In thIS regard? Minister of DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD) (a) whether the sealed cover proce- (a) No survey at NatIonal level about the dure In CPWD IS followed In Group '8 and trend of smoking has been conducted by the C categones of Staff, Government (b) whettler It IS a fact that for group 'A' (b) and (c} Does not anse category It IS not applicable 427 Written Answers APRIL 25,1990 Written Answers 428
(c) if so, the reasons for this discrimina- ment the policy of Universal iodisation of tion: edible salt in the country by 1992 in a phased manner. (d) whether officers of group 'A' are promoted even if vigilance cases are pend- (b) and (c). Government have received ing; and a representation stating that universal iodisation may have ill effects on some of the (e) if so, the policy followed by CPWD population. However, no case of adverse authority in thIs regard? effect on account of the use of iodised salt in the country has been brought to the notice of THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEL- the Government. The study conducted by 0pMENT (SHRt MURASOLI MARAN): (a) Indian Council of Medical Research indi- Yes, Sir. cates that iodine deficiency disorders are widely prevalent in many parts of the coun- (b) No, Sir. try. Iodation of salt is the cheapest and proven method of prevention of Iodine defi- (c) In view of reply to part (b), the ciency disorders. If any scientific report or question does not arise. data regarding adverse effects of consumption of iodised salt in the country is brought to' (d) and (e). Cases of officers against the notIce of the Government then the matter whom discipinary proceedmgs are pending could be referred to the I. C. M. R. for are consIdered tor ad hoc promotIon keep- examination. ing in view the orders at the Department of Personnel and Training and with the ap- Eradication of Diseases Under the proval of the appOInting authority. Scheme Health for All by 2000 A.D.
Sale of lodised Salt 6596. SHRI MULLAPPALL Y RAMA- CHANDRAN: Will the Minister of HEALTH 6595. SHRI A. R. ANTULAY: Wi" the AND FAMILYWELFARE bepleasedto state Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WEL- which are the diseases, if any. that have FARE be pleased to state: been totally eradicated from India over the past three years under the Scheme H::·alth (a) whether Government have decided for All by 2000 A. D.? to allow sale of only iodised salt in the country; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (b) If so, whether Government have MINISTRY OF HEAtTH AND FAMILY received any complaint or report from vari- WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MAS.COD): ous quarters about the ill effect of the use of No, Sir. No disease have been totally eradi- iodised salt by the normal people: and cated from India over the past three years under the Scheme Health for All by 2000 (c) the action Government propose to A.D. take in the matter? Sale of Medicines THE MINISTER-OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 6597. SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMA- WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): CHANDRAN:.Will the Minister of HEALTH (a) The Government have decided to imple- ANOFAMILYWELFAREMpleasedtostate: 429 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 439
(a) the steps taken to ensure that only of drugs received from public drugs of standard quality are sold at medical are investigated and samples shops in the capital; of drugs are taken for test/ analysis if suffictent quantities (b) the number of complaints of sub- of the drugs are available. standard or contaminated.drugs received in the capital dUring 1989-90, year-wise; and 5. A close liaison IS maintained with the associations of trad- (c) the details of reported cases of ers/manufactures with a vie'.'" death due to contaminated! adulterated/sub- to maintain information regard- standard drugs, I. V. fluids, etc. dUring 1989 Ing sub-standard/spurious and 1990; year-wIse? drugs, manufacture/sale of sub-stand a rd/ad u Iterated I THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE spurious drugs MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): (b) The information IS as under:- (a) The information furnished by Deihl Administration IS as under'- Year No. of complaints
(a) The following steps have 1989 55 been taken In this regard.- 1990 8
1. Sales establishments (1st Jan.,go to 31 st March. 1990). are Inspected by the Inspec- torate staff and samples of (c) There were some Press reports of drugs are taken tor test/analy- deaths alleged to have been caused due to SIS In case of doubt administration of contaminated/adulteratedl sub-st$dard drugs. However, investigations 2 Drug manufacturing units lo- made In these cases have revealed that the cated In Deihl are Inspected by cause of reported deaths IS not due to drugs the Inspectorate staff and samples of drugs fortest/analy- Introduction of Post Graduation Exami- SIS are taken from tim e 10 time. nation in Medicines
3. Surveillance samples of drugs are test purchased through 6598. SHRI MULLAPPALL Y RAMA- decoy customers from the CHANDRAN: Will the Minister of HEALTH Chemists of different part of ANDFAMIL YWELFARE be pleased to state: Deihl. Those samples are screened for Identification test. (a) whether Government propose to In case of doubt about quality introduce uniform all India Post Graduation of drug, the premIses of the Examination in MedIcine; ChemIst from which the sample was purchased IS raided and (b) if so. the reasons therefor; sUitable action IS taken. (c) whether the said ':xaminations will 4. Complaints regarding quality be conducted by an autonomous body; and 431 Written Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Written Answers 432
(d) if so, the details thereof? THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMfLY THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY (a) Yes, Sir. WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): (a) to (d). As per directions of the Supreme (b) No, Sir. , Court, all the concerned States/Union T erri- tories, except Jammu &Kashmir and Andhra (c) and (d). Under the Maternal and Pradesh, contribute 25% Post Graduate Child Health Programme of this Ministry. MedicaVDental seats in each medical/dental there is a scheme of Prophylaxis against college or institution, other than private blindness due to Vitamin 'A' deficiency medical/dental colleges, without taking into amongh children of 1-5 age group for which account any reservation, for All India En- oral dose of 2 lakh International Units of trance Examination in various Post Gradu- Vitamin 'A' is given to the above age group of ate Medical and Dental Courses, including children every six months. General Med.icine, and such a competitive examination is conducted by the All India [ translation] Institute of Medical Sciences. New Delhi, on all-India basis. CommHtee to Solve the Problems Arising on Use of lodised Salt Newsitem Captioned "30000 Kids Get Blind Every Day" 6601. SHRI RAMESHWAR PATIDAR: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY 6600. SHRI BANWARI LAL PURO- WELF ARE be pleased to state: HIT: SHRI R. N. RAKESH: (a) whether any committee has been constituted to solve the problem arisen as a Will the Minister of HEALTH AND result of obligatory use of iodised salt: FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state' (b) the States in which a ban has been (a) whether the attention of Govern- imposed on the sale of common salt: ment has been drawn to a newsitem captioned "30000 kids get blind every day" as (c) whether a chemical KI03 is used to reported in the Hindustan Times dated 31 co'nvert the ~ommon salt into iodised salt; March, 1990; (d) from where this chemical is im- (b) if so, whether the Incidence ot eye ported; troubles and defective eyesight among children is highest in ourcountry: (e) whether this chemical is injurious to health and the scientists have declared po- (c) whethertheGo'Jernment propose to tassium iodate, a component used in making adopt any policy to make aware the mothers iodised slat, a poison which is prescribed by 'about importance of proper nutrition and doctors to some patients and is useful only to timely treatment in case of any eye trouble: them; and and (f) the reason, why the use of iodised (d) if so, the details of the gUidelines salt has been made obligatory for common issued by Government In this regard? people and whether Government propose to 433 Written Answers VAISAKHA5, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 434 review this matter. [English]
THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Non Implementation 01 Amendments of MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PFA Act in States WELFARE (SHRf RASHEED MASooD): (a) No. 6602. SHRI GANGA CHARAN LOOHl: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state: (b) The States/UTs which have Issued notification banning the salt In their entire (a) whether the Food Adulteration Act StatelUTs, are Arunachal Pradesh, Bihar, amended in 1989 is not being implemented Chandigarh. Himach~1 Pradesh,. Haryana. In some states; Jammu & Kashmir, Manipur, Meghalaya, Mizoram. Nagaland, Punjab, Slkklm, Uttar (b) rt so, the reasons therefor and the Pradesh, Tnpura, Assam, Deihl and Dadra & states where the Act is not being imple- Nagar Havelli. mented: and
(c) the steps proposed to be taken for its The States of Andhra Pradesh (3 d ISttS.) Implementation? Gujarat (3 dlstts.), Madhya Pradesh (12 distts.), West Bengal (10 dlstts.). Maharash- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE tra (7 distts.), Onssa (1 dIStt.), Karnataka (1 MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMllY distt.) have issued partially ban notification. WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): (a) to (c). The Preventation of Food Adul- (c) Yes. teration (Amendment) Act 1986 is being Implementaed by all the State Governments (d) Potassium Iodate (KI03) IS not and Union Territorres except Mizoram. Steps imported. This chemical IS manufactured have been initiated by the State of Mizoram locally after Importing Iodine from Japan. to Implement the Act.
(e) The dosage of Potassium Iodate being used for iodlsation of salt is not inJuri- Per Capita Availability 01 Protein ous to health. 6603. PROF. P. J. KURIEN Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WEL- (f) The survey carned out by the Dte. FARE be pleased to state: G.H.S.,I.C.M.R. and the IIMS have revealed that no region in the country can be conSid- (a) the per capita availability of protein ered completely free from goitre and other In the country ; Iodine deficiency disorders. Iodation of salt is the cheapest and proven method of pre- (b) the per capita protein availability vention of Iodine Deficiency disorders. If any among the people below poverty line; specific scientific data regarding adverse effects of consumption of iodised salt in the (c) whether Government have chalked country is brought to notICe of the Govern- out any plan to encourage the protein availa- ment, then the matter could be referred to I. bility to the people living below poverty line: C. M. R. for examination. and 435 Written Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Written AnsW91S 436
(d) if so, the details thereof? (d) if so, the reason for the import of iodine? THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MIN1STRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASooD): MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMilY (a) The per capita availability of protein inthe WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): country per day IS approximately 53g. (a) Yes.
(b) Service conducted by National (b) to (d). The information is being Nutrition Monitoring Bureau in slum dwellers collected and will be laid on the Table of the of Urban areas mdicate the protein intake as Sabha. foltows:- Vacant Post of Nursing Orderly In Urban slum Dwellers 57.8g AIIMS
Rural 60.5g 6605. SHRI RLP. VERMA: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WEL- (c) and (d). Yes. The Government is FARE be pleased to state: taking a number of steps to Increase to production of pulses. oil seeds as well as (a) whether a number of vacancies in milk, the Significant sources of protein. In the category of Nursing Orderly have been order to Increase the purchasing power of lying vacant in C & N Centre and De-addic- the poor people rural employment pro- tion Centre of All India Institute of Medical grammes are being implemented. As a short Sciences, New Delhi since a long period; term measures supplementary nutrition is provided to the vulnerable sections of the (b) if so, the details of the posts created population through programmes such as and the number of pOst reserved for SCSi integrated child Development Scheme, STs; Special Nutrition Programme. wheat based nutrition programme'and Balwadi Nutition (c) whether nominations sponsored by Programme. These programme are imple- Employment Exchange are lying pending mented by Ministry of Human Resource with the concerned Authorities of both these Development. centres; and
Import of Iodine for Salt lodisation (d) if it is so, what isthe latest fate ofthis case? 6604. PROF. P. J. KURIEN: Will the Minister of l-IEALTH AND FAMILY WEL- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE F ARE be pleased to state: MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASooD): (a) whether the compulsory salt iodisa- (a) The AIIMS have informed that some tion programmA IS in operation: vacancies in the category of Nursing Orderly are lying vacant in the C.N. Centre and De- (b) how much iodlnp.ls imported forthls addiction Centre of AIIMS as these are to be programme together with the cost of import; filled in a phased manner.
(c) whether the sea salt available in the (b) 78 posts 01 Nursing Orderly were country contains enough iodine; and created for C.N. Centre on 25.10.1988, out 437 Wrrtten Answers VAISAKHA5, 1912 (SAKA) W"tten Answers 438 of which 42 have been filled up as per (a) OPT group of vaccmes and Measles reqUirement and 36 are vacant. The Instrtute vaccines are being manufactured In the have decided 10 fill up the remaining posts country However, Oral Polio vaccine IS being due to Increase In beds from 150 to 332 The Imported, blended and filled In containers reservation positIOn of 36 vacancies to be from Monovalent Bulk filled," 15- S C - 6 ST - 3 and Ex-Service- men -3 (b) and (c) All batches of vaccines which are Imported or produced indigenously As regards, De-addiction Centre, 9 posts are tested by the National Control Labora- of Nursing Orderly were created In Decem- tory, Kasauh each b"3tch of vaccines re- ber, 1988 out of which 3 posts were filled In. leased only after quality control test IS con- 2 from S C and one Ex-Serviceman One ducted at Central Research Institute Kasauh post reserved for STand 5 posts (unre- served) are vacant [Engltsh]
(c) and (d) Nominations sponsored by Community Health Centres and Public the Employment Exchange have been re- Health Centres in Gujarat ceived In the last week of March, 1990 ana are bemg procpssed for holding interviews 6607 SHRI BABUBHAI MEGHJI soon SHAH Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state [ Trans/atton] (al the numbe" of community health Indignous Manufacture of Vaccines centres and public health centres started In GUjarat dUring last threes years, 6606 SHRI SURYA NARAYAN YADAV Will the Minister of HEALTH AND (b) the amount given to GUjarat Gov- FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state ernment for thiS purpose, and
(a) whether the pallo measles and 0 (C) the details of the Items on which P T vaccrnes are being marufactuled 'n expenditure Incurred? the country
(b) whether any test bqs been con- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE ducted on thesE' vaCCI'1PC; and MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOODl (C) If so tne tlPta IS tt,ereof ? (a) As per Information available the number of Community Health Centres and Primary THE MINISTr-R OF STATE OF THE Health Centres established In the state of MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY GUjarat dUring the last three years IS as
WELFARE r PRo Sll,SHEED MASOOD) u'lder -
'reM Prlma,l' Health Cp'ltrec; Community Health Centres e~tablJshed estabflshed
19R- op 25 , 988 ~9 49 34 198990 155 25 439 Written Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Written AnSW9l'S 440
(b) and (c). The establishment of Pri- The total outlay and expenditure under the mary Health Centres and Community Health Munimum Needs programme for the State of Centres are funded under the state sector. Gujarat are given below:-
Year DUlly in lakhs of Rupees Expenditure in lakhs Rupees
1987-88 928 956
1988-89 '121 1 100
1989-90 ~275 1042.05
(upto De. 89 only)
The above figures Include expenditure [ Trans/ation] on items liI<1::! l_;ommunily Health Centres, Primary Health Centres and Sub-centres. Employees of AIIMS
Facilities for Urologist of Safdarjung 6609. SHRI CHHEDI PASWAN: Will Hospital the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY WELFARE be pleased to state: 6608. SHRI A. N. SINGH DEO: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMLY WEL- (a) the number of senior doctors in FARE be pleased to state: clinical and nonpclinical Departments in the All India Institute of Medical Sicences, Delhi (a) whether Department of Urology has who are members of the faculty; been opened in the Safdarjung Hospital at New Deihl: (b) the number of Professors, Associ- ate Profesrs and Assistant Professors in this (b) whether proper facilities such as Institute belonging to Schedule Castes and ward, bed staff are available to the Urolo- Schedule Tribes communities; gists; and (c) whether roster is being maintained (c) if not, the reasons therefor? for recruitment and promo'tion of senior doctors belonging, to Schedule Castes and Schedule Tribes communities; and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY (d) Ii so, the details thereof? WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): (a) Yes, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY (b) Necessary facilities Including beds, WELFARE (SHRI RASHEED MASOOD): Operation Theatre, staff etc. have been (a) and (b). The All India Institute of Medical provided in the Urology Department of the Sci~nces have informed that the number of Hospital. senior doctors in clinical and non-clinical Departments in the AIIMS, New Delhi, who (c) Does not "lrI5E:, are members of the faculty is 322, out of 441 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnsW91S 442 which 14 assistant Professors belong to Price Shops with reference to the number of Schaduted Castes category. food cards in different areas, and opening of new Fair Price Shops is considered as and (c) and (d). The roster is maintained at when it becomes necessary. the entry level of Assistant Professor for direct recruitment only. As per decision of (c) and (d). Delhi Administration has the Governing Body of the Institute, the recently undertaken the issuing of ration posts at entry level (Asstt. Professors) are cards to inhabitants of identifiable Jhuggi- reserved without mentioniAg their speciality Jhonpri clusters. The new ration cards are and wherein Scheduled Castes and Sched- linked with existing Fair Price Shops in the uled Tribes candidates in order to ensure the vicinity of the Jhuggi-Jhonpri concerned. required representation of Scheduled Castes Delhi Administration will consider opening and Scheduled Tribes. If no Scheduled new fair price shops in any of such area as Castes and Scheduled Tribes candidates and when necessary. are available, the posts are filled from general candidates and 'reservation' is carned Stagnation In the cadre of Engineers' forward to the next year advertisement. in C.P.W.O. However, no reservation is being made for senior faculty positions at the Institute either 6611. SHAI HAAISH RAWAT: Will the tor direct recruitment of for promotion. Minister of URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state: [English) (a) whether one Cadre Review in Group Survey of Jhuggl-Jhonprl for Ration lA' engineering posts in CPWD has already card. been completed and second cadre review has also been undertaken; and 6610. PROF. VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA: Will the Minister 01 FOOD AND (b) the details of stagnation in the CIVIL SUPPLIES be pleased to state: cadres of Assistant Engineer, Executive Engineer and Superintendent Engineer's (a) whether Delhi Administration has posts considering the eligibility for promotion undertaken survey to increase the number in respective grades? of Fair Price Shops In Delhi. THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEL- (b) if so, the details thereof: OPMENT (SHAI MURASOLI MARAN): (a) Yes, Sir. (c) whether the new Fair Price Shops are also to be increased in Jhuggi.Jhonpri (b) Stagnation ranges from ten to fifteen colonies in view of increase in J. J. clusters; years and even twenty years in respect of and Executive Engineers (Civil). Different criteria are applied to calculate stagnation is (d) by what time new shops in these respect of exad number of persons. colonies are likely to be set up? Sale- of Land In Punjab to Scheduled THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL castes SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): (a) and (b). Delhi Administration keeps 6612. BABA SUCHA SINGH: Will the reviewing the position of adequacy of Fair Minister of WELFARE be-pteased to state: APRIL25,1990
(a> whether the land sold at auction (b) 3.44 Lakh Bales of cotton were recently to the Scheduled Castas by the estimated to have arrived in ~nataka dur- Punjab Government was purchased by the ing this period. High Government offICials; (c) There has been no need to under- (b) if so, the detaUs of such transaction; take prices support operations in Karnataka and during the current season since prices of aM varieties of Kapas have remained well above (c) steps being taken for the restoration support level. However, CCI has kept itself in of land to poor Scheduled Castes in the readiness to undertake price support opera- State? tions should such need arise.
THE DEPU1:Y MINISTER IN THE Export of Food Grains DEPARTMENT OF WOMEN AND CHILD DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF 6614. SHRI Y. S. RAJA SEKHAR WELFARE (SHRIMATI USHA SINHA): (a) REDDY: Will the Minist~r of FOOD AND to (c). Information has been call9d for from CIVIL SUPPLIES be pleased to state: the Government of Punjab and will be placed on the table of the Hayse. (a) whether Government propose to export foodgrains; and Procurement of Cotton (b) the names of the countries to which 6613. SHRI H. C. SRIKANTAIAH: Will it is proposed to be exported? the Minister of TEXTILES be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF FOOD AND CIVIL SUPPLIES (SHRI NATHU RAM MIRDHA): (a) the number of cotton bales pro- (a) and (b). There is no proposal at present cured by Cotton Corporation -of India and to export foodgrains on Govemment ac- NAFED during January-March, 1990 In count, except for a quantity of 200 MT of rice Karnataka; agreed to be given as aid to Angola.
(b) the total market arrivals of cotton in Family Planning Advertisements over Kamataka dUring that period; and Doordarshan
(c) the steps taken to provide support 6615. SHRI SUBEDAR: Will the Minis- price to the ootton growers in view of glut in ter of HEALTH AND FAMIL Y WELFARE be the market? pleased to state:
(a) whether majority of the Family Pian· THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND ning advertisement over Doordarshan, like MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- "Jab Pyar ko ji machlaye", "Na roj roj garabh DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV): (a) Nirodhak upayon ka jhanjhat" etc, are vulgar Kapas equivalent to 17765 bales of cotton obscene and uncalled for and no penlOn can was purchased by CCI and 3400 bales of be expected to watch them with their family cotton were purchased by NAFED in col- members; and laboration with Karnataka State Co-operative Marketing Federation, during the period (b) if SO, the steps taken to improve the January to March, 1990 in Kamataka. standard of these advertisement? 445 WrMten Answers VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnsWBJS 44&
THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE basis at all India level. However. some of the MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMIL Y studies conducted by expert Groups reveal WELFARE (SHAI RASHEED MASOOD): that the cost of collection, as a percentage of (a) the advertisements referred to relate to gross octroi income was on the high side in NtAOOH and vasectomy being telecast on respects of smaller towns while at was neg- Doordarshan for over one and a half years. ligible in respect of bigger municipal towns No indecent language has been used in such as Municipla Corporations. these advertisements which have been scrutinised in this Ministry as also in the Ooor- (b) to Cd). In pursuance of a Resolution darshan before being approved for screen- passed in the Mayors 'Conference held in ing. 1984, the Government of India had set up a Committee on Octroi" to examine the ques- (b) The question does not arise. tion of augmenting the resources of local bodIes taking into account the need to make [ Translation] good the loss which they would sustain in the event of abolition of octroi". Expenditure on Octroi System The Committee has submitted its report 6616. SHRI RAJENDRA AGNIHOTRI which is being forwarded 10 the State Gov- Will the Minister of URBAN DEVELOP- ernments who are responsible for the ad- MENT be pleased to state: ministration of octroi.
(a) whether the administrative expen- Filling of Vacant Posts Reserved for diture of Octroi system is more than Its Handicapped Persons revenue; 6617. SHRI BALESHWAR YADAV: (b) whether Government propose to set Will the Minister of WELFARE be pleased to up a Commission with a view to study the state: eXisting octroi system: (a) whether the posts reserved for (c) if so, when it is likely to be set up; and handicapped persons are lYing vacant in various Ministries departments of Union (d) if not. whether Government have Government; and any concrete measures to check traffic obstacles and wipe out corruption prevailing (b) if so, the details thereof and the in the existing octroi system? steps taken to fill up the vacancies?
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEL- DEPARTMENT OF WOMEN AND CHILD OPMENT (SHRI MURASOLI MARAN): (a) DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF Being a State subject, the data relating to the WELFARE (SHRIMATJ USHA SINHA): (a) revenue earned from Octroi duty and the Yes, Sir. expenditure incurred on its collection is not being collected by any agency on regular (b) the details as on 31.12. BB are:
Group 'C' Group '0'
Visually Handicapped 153 52 447 Written Answel'S APRIL 25, 1990 Written Answs/S 448
Group 'C' Group'D'
Hearing Handicapped 188 90
Orthopaedicalled handicapped 215 95
A special recruitment drive has been launched to clear the backlog.
Besides, 23 special Employm~nt Ex- 12.00 hrs. changes. 42 Specia~ Cells in Employment Exchange and 17 Vocational Rehabilitation [ Translation] Centres are assisting the handicapped in finding placement. MR. SPEAKER: All of you please sit down. Shri Mishra, please sit down. shouting [English] will not help.
Accommodation for Delhi AdminIstra- [English] tion School Teachers ( Interruptions) 6618. SHRI ANAND SINGH: SHRI MADHAVRAO SCIN- MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seats. DIA: ( Interruptions) Will the Minister of URBAN DEVElOP- MENT be pleased to .state: MR. SPEAKER: Dr. Viswanatham Kanithi. Is he here? Shri P. R. Kumaraman- galal'11. (a) whether non-teaching staff of Delhi Administration Schools continue 10 be entitled for allotment of Government accom- SHAI P. A. KUMAAAMANGAlAM modation. while the teachers have been (Salem): Mr. Speaker. Sir. there is a matter deprived of the facility of allotment of Gov- of urgent public importance which I wish to ernment accommodation. bring to the notice of this august House. It essentially deals with the fact that today we (b) if so, the reasons therefor; understand that the hon. Foreign Minister, Mr. Gujral ;s likely to meet the Foreign Min- (c) whether Government are ~nsjder ister of Pakistan to discuss some matters. ing to extend this facility to teachers also; But meanwhile, the Pakistani Prime Minister and had the opportunity to convince and get the support of the Saudi Government on the (d) if so, by when? matter of raising the issue of Kashmir-self- determination issue-in the meeting of the Organisation of Islamic States which is to THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEl- take place by th~ end of Many aAd they plan OPMENT (SHRI MURASOLI MARAN): (a) to press h thereafter as a whole group of to (d), The information is being collected and Organisation of Islamic States in the U. N. I will be laid down on the Table of the House. would request the Government to immedi- 449 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 450 ately make all diplomatic efforts to ensure worldwide reputation for the excellence of its that such a thing does not happen. products. In 1976, the Company became sick and the then Government of India took [ Translation] overthe management of.the Company under the Industries Development RegUlation Act SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD SINGH and appointed IRBI, Industrial Reconstruc- (Jahanabad): Mr. Speaker, sir, in Biharthere tion Bank of India, as the authorised person is an acute shortage of drinking water this to run it. But there was no proper manage- time. It has assumed to such an alarming ment and the Company became more sick. proportion that a majority of villagers are In 1985 the Government of West Bengal meeting their requirement of water by fetch- declared it a relief undertaking. But even ing it from long distances. The Bihar Govern- then, no effective measures were taken. In ment is not taking any step in this regard. In 1987 on the other hand, instead of reviving it, Delhi too, drinking water crisis exists. I want taking proper steps for its modernisation, the Government to Instal tubewells to solve etc. the then Government of India decided to this problem without any loss of time to save denotify it, that is, to close it down. As a result the lives of both human beings and cattle at thereof, the Company was to be wound up these places. M~. Speaker, Sir. I would like to and 4,750 workers had become unemployed. make suggestion tothe Government, through At that time, Members of Parliament and you, to make immediate arrangements to Trade Unions made several representations, provide drinking water. repeated representations; we met the then Prime Minister also; but no step was taken to SHRI SANTOSH KUMAR GANGWAR revive it. Then, trade uniouns had no option (Bareilly): Mr. Speaker, Sir, today nearly one but to go to the court and obtain a stay order lakh bank employees all overthe country are against giving effect to the order to denotifi- on strike under the banner of N. O. B. W. cation. As a result thereof, wages and salary Their demand is that there should be equal are beirlg paid but no step has been taken pay for equal work and the Government since 1987 to revive this Company or even to should pay attention to the gradual curtail- run it and provide raw materials for it. Now, ment of job opportunity in banks due to T ata Consu ttancy Services, which is an expert computerisation that is taking place in banks body in these matters, went into the question these days. Even the Reserve Bank of India of viability of this Company and they gave a has admitted this fact. This had led to unem- report that Rs. 10 crores would be required ployment also. the banks play an important for modernisation and Rs. 5 crores as work- role in the economy of the country. As such, ing capital-only Rs. 15 crores. But even that the Government should improve their func- was not provided and the whole situ a' In tioning by paying adequate attention tothem. was allowed to drift. Now after the new Government came into power, we have also [English] repeatedly made representations to the Industry Minister; the Chief Minister of West SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE Bengal has also made representation; we (So/pur): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wish to raise a have met the Minister. Instead of~ng very important matter which is agitating the steps, we have been shocked to learn that a minds of lakhs of workers of this country, if policy decision has be~e_o-that there wilt not crores of people. I refer to an industrial be no nationalisation oJ4ny sick industry undertaking called Bengal Potteries, which irrespective of the merits. This is a concern is one of the premier undertakings, manu· which has been viable and can be made facturing crockery and insulator, which had viable if some managementstepsaretiliken, 451 Written Answers APRil 25, 1990 Written Answers 452 some fund is injected into this and then 4,750 [ Tl8nslation] womers and theiriamilies can be protected. I caR upon the Government that this is a MR. SPEAKER: Choudhury Saheb, this matter which should not be allowed to drift point has already been made. further. We have made repeated requests that they cannot take up an attitude that [English) whatever may be the merits of a particular case, they will not do it. Bengal Potteries is SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOUDHURY: Sir, an instance Which can be revived, which can this is not only the sfitntiment of the Members be made viable and nearly five thousand coming from West Bengal but many Mem- worf(ers can be saved. This is a very impor- bers from many of the parties from different tant unit whose products have world-wide parts of the country have also supported reputation. At the time when it was closed it ... (Interruptions). down ordenotified. its order book was full for five years. Therefore. I say that the Govern- MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Chatterjee and ment should take Immediate action. the via- Shrimati Geeta Mukherjee have made this bility report should be updated and a reha- point earlier. I have called Mr. Sathe now. bilitation package should be immediately prepared and. if necessary, nationalisation SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOUDHURY: No, has to be done of tbis concern. Otherwise it Sir, this is a very serious matter. It was said cannot be saved. Therefore, I call upon the by the Government in this House. that no Government to take an immediate deciSion further nationalisation will be done. But we in the matter. appeal to this Government that on merits, those industries which can be made viable, should be taken over and nationalised. Fur- SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE ther, the earlier management should be (Panskura): Sir, as the President of the big- penalised for the neglect and levy should be gest union of the Bengal Potteries and as a imposed on them for acquiring the requisite person who has been raislngit for twelve finance for making the unit viable. years in this House, I particularly appeal to the Government that this company kept the SHRI VASANT SATHE(Wardha): I am factory with the workers fighting against an sure, Sir, that you and this entire House will inimical Government and if today, with the feel concerned that thousands of children friendly Government, our workers are out, it who are today studying in the Public Schools will be a great tragedy. Therefore, I appeal to of Delhi are feeling frightened and threat- the Industry Ministerthat when tomorrow our ened that their teachers are being assaulted. Chief Minister will be coming, positive steps A Principal of a school was physically beaten should be taken, as already expressed by up and lady teachers threatened by goon- Shri Somnath Chatt~rjee whom I support. das, for getting admission to the school, trying to s'ay that they wm bring political MR. SPEAKER:'Shri Vasant Sathe .. pressure. Whosoever may be the political parties or whatever the political personages, if they try to do this sort of a thing, our ( InterrlJptions) children'S education will suffer and our teachers will suffer, particularly the lady teachers who were threatened bythegoondas. Today SHRt SAIFUDDIN CHOUDHURY all Public schools in Delhi are closed. I would (Katwa): Mr. Speaker, Sir. reques1 this Government to kindly assure 453 Written Answers VAISAKHA5. 1912 (SAKA) Written AnsW91S 454
adequate protection to the lady teachers and say it clearty (Int9"uptions) teachers and take action against those who have up and beaten the Principal of a Public PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: Sir, over a School in Delhi. period of time. Mr. Advaniwill understand my psyche and philosophy. Then I spoke on SHRI L. K. ADVANI (New Delhi): Sir. I Human Resource Development Demands think this is a serious matter and the Govern- and I wish you were here. I have taken notice ment must take it up seriously, and I am sure of what he has advised; and meanwhile that they will take it up seriously. In Delhi Hon'ble Speaker, Sir, Kashmir has been itself. all Public Schools going on a strike is under continuous curfew, particularly from an unprecedented event. And this means 6th Apr~. h was a two-week continuous 24 that, by and large, the impression conveyed hours curfew. (Interruptions) and there have about that episode is what has been re- bean casas of starvation where medicines ported in the press. Now, if there are any were not available, were pregnant women corrections to be made as to the facts we could not be hospitalised thereby 27 deaths would like to know, but as it is, I would say had occurred. that irrespective of which political party or which political elements are involved, we SHRI SPEAKER: What is the point that should see to it that thiS kind o! 'goondalsm' you are driving at? does not take place anywhere. Therefore, I would appeal to the Government, entreat the PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: There wee Government, to take up this seriously and not even proper burials and there was a total not to view it as a party matter at all, not as ban on the vernacular press. I want a Com- a political matter at all but see that whatever mission of Inquiry to be constituted to look needs to be done IS done. into the difficulties that were expressed by the people of Kashmir about curfew. (inter- PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ (Baramulla): ruptions) Mr. Speaker, Sir. Kashmir Valley has been under curfew continuously. since 6th April. I SHRI A. N. SINGH DEO (Aska): Sir, it fS appeal to Advaniji and Jaswant Singhji to a very important matter which has appeared come to my rescue. (Interruptions) in the newspaper regarding the deal about the Airbus purchase. Sir, the interest of the SHRIl. K. ADVANI: I entirely appreci- country and of passengers are involved. In ate Prof. Soz's concern. But Prof. Soz hap- Bangalore. one plane had already crashed pens to belong to Kashmir and therefore on and it is alleged here that there was some occasions at least I would expect Prof. Soz understanding between the then Prime to echo the sentiments expressed by Mr. Minister of India and France and after that a Kumaramangalam today. Your silence on decision was taken to purchase the Airbus that ground was very very vocal and very and the letter of intent has already been very eloquent. Therefore, my han. friend issued to Boeing Company. It is now alleged from Kashmir has risen on every occasion that before the Board took the decision, the only on one specific point. Today the whole then Managing Director wrote to the Secre- country is concerned. tary (Civil Aviation) that the decision has been taken to purchase this Airbus. Sir, PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: I am on a there are some other very interesting things national issue. here.(/nte"uptions) The decision was taken to purchase the Airbus even before the Air- SHRI L. K. ADVANI: I wish you could bus with its engine V-2500 was tested; it had 455 Written Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Written Answers 456
not gone to the assembly line and it was not MR. SPEAKER: Will you take your ready and still they took the decision to seats? I have called Mr. Thomas. purchase it. SHRI P. C. THOMAS (Muvattupuzha): Sir, this is another scandal like the Bofors Sir, I am on a different subject. It is in the where the name of the ex-Prime Minister is press today that an honourable Judge of the being involved. Sir, as this matter involves High Court of Bombay ... the safety of the passengers, it is necessary that the Government should make a state- MR. SPEAKER: No, Mr. Thomas. that is ment on it in the House.(/nterruptions) notthe point you are to raise. You are permitted to raise the matter about the delay on the MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Jaswant Singh. part of the Government of Kerala to bring the State Government employees on par with SHRI JASWANT SIN~H (Jodhpur): Mr. the Central Government employees. On that Speaker, Sir, it is a very simple ~ubmission you are to raise. that I wish to make to you. All sides of the House appear to be considerably excited SHRI P. C. THOMAS: Yes, I have given over this very serious matter of the purchase two notices. I can submit on anything. I gave of the Airbus. notice on the other aspect also.( Interruptions)
PROF. N. G. RANGA (Guntur): What MR. SPEAKER: You have been al- exactly is the matter? lowed to raise that point only.
SHRI JASWANT SINGH: Even the SHRI P. C. THOMAS: Sir, the oth~r seniormost Member of the House, Hon'ble point is that the Union G!'vernment made an Ranga is also excited about this. What is allotment of more than As. 500 crores for called for is a discussion on it. The Minister payment of salaries to the State Govern- is here. You should direct the Government to ment employees in Kerala on par with the agree to a full-fledged discussion on the salaries of the employees of the Central subject.( Interruptions) Government.
THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF SHAIA. VIJAYARAGHAVAN(Palghat): PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P. What is this, Sir? The State Government of UPENDRA): We have no objection for a Kerata has categorically mentioned that the discussion. amount of assistance is not for payment of salaries on par with the amounts given to the MR. SPEAKER: Yes. The Gbvernment Central Government employees. Why are has no objection for a discussion. you allowing this, Sir?(/nterruption~)
SHRI MALLIKARJUN (Mahbubnagar): I strongly protest. Let the Report come. SHRI P. C. THOMAS: The Governmen1 Without the Report there is no question of of India has allotted to the State Government discussion.( Interruptions) more than Rs. 500 crores for payment of salaries to the State Government employ- MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Thomas. I have ees. It is being embezzled The Kerala Gov- called Mr. Thomas. Yes, Mr. ernment has concealed this from the people Thomas. (Interruptions) of Kerala. (Interruptions) 457 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 458
SHAI BASUDEB ACHARIA (Bankura): arise an issue which is a State matter. Sir. I am on a point of order. SHAI P. C. THOMAS: No, no, it is not a MR. SPEAKER: Let us hearths point of State matter. The Central Government was order. He has got a point of order. pleased to grant some money... (lntemJp- tions) SHRt A. VIJAYARAGHAVAN: You are permitting him every time to raise something [ Translation] against the Kerala Government (Interrup- tions) MR SPEAKER State matters cannot b~ raise. Please resume your seat. SHRI P. C. THOMAS: I have given :1otice (Interruptions) ( Interruptions)
SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: Sir, my (English] point of order is, the matter which was concerning ... (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Let me hear what he is raising. SHAI T. BASHEER (Chirayinkil): You have allowed him on this subject. Now you ( Interruptions) are not allowing him to make his submission fully. SHRI P. C. THOMAS: I want to bring to the notice of the Central Government MR. SPEAKER: I am to hear his point through the House that the amount given by of order. the Centre to the State for giving salary to the employees of the State Government at par (Interruptions) with the Central Government Employees has been misused by the State Government. SHAI BASUDEB ACHARIA: He has allowed me to raise the point of order. (Inter- SHAI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: ruptions). The matters which are concerning How can it go on record? (Interruptions) the State Government should not be allowed to be raised here. You should not allow him SHRI P. C. THOMAS: The State to raise the matters which are p'urely con· Government did not bring this fact in the cerning the State Government. What he has Budget nor in any other document. They raised should be expunged: it should not go concealed it from the people. It is a very on record. (Interruptions) serious matter. There is embezzlement by the State Government. (Interruptions) SHAI VAKKOM PUAUSHOTHAMAN (Alleppey): Sir, the money given by the MR. SPEAKER:Please resume your Central government is misused. It is no~ a seat, Shri K.D. Sultanpurl state subject. (Interruptions) Sir, I want only half-a minute. This is a subject relating to the [ Translation] misusing of the money given by the Central Govemment (Interruptions) SHRI K. D. SULTANPURI (Shimla): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to raise some point MR. SPEAKER: My point is you have with regard to my cbnstituency. The National not given anything in writing. You wanted to Highway No. 22 runs between Kalka and 459 Wn1fen Answers APRil 25, 1990 Written Answers 460
Shim'.. The people living in Kumar Hatti, 120 million do"ar phosphoric acid deal Dharampur, Parmanu, Jabli solan and Shodhi was to be made by the Commerce Ministry, etc. are being displaced in order to construct through the STC. I do not know how and a bypass in that area. I would like to request when the Agriculture Ministry dashed into theGovemmentnottodisplacethosepeople the deal. The former Commerce Minister and the bu;inessmen from their premises till protested and the ministry was left in dark- they are provided ahemative suitable ac- ness. The Agricutture Ministry through its commodation. Otherwise, the people resid- Fertilizer Corpo~ation asked the Finance ing in the hilly areas of Shimla will be ren- Ministry for permission to go to Abu Dhabi to dered homeless. I would urge upon the r:agotiate the deal. The Finance Ministry Govemment to impress upon the State refused the permission. Yet, the Fertilizer Govemment not to displace these people till Corporation people went to Abu Dhabi and some suitable arrangement is.made. negotiated the deal for 3 lakh tonnes of phosphoric acid at the rate of $ 411 per SHRI DILEEP SINGH BHURIA (Jhabua): tonne, when the market price was $ 380 Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to make some only. India was winkled out in the form of points about Madhya Pradesh. Bastar in commission to the tune of 10 million dollars. Madhya Pradesh is the biggest district in What happened to the difference of $32 per India. There is very dense forest in it. Felling tonne? Who gobbled that money? of thousands of valuable trees takes place there. So are the other districts where denu- The Agricu It ute Ministry was led by .. .* ... dation of forest is taking place, Mr. Speaker, and the Commerce Ministry was led by ... Sir, what is the reason behind it? At the time of elections. the Bhartiya Janata Party gave [ Trans/ation] a call of felling trees to clear forests with a view to use the land for agricultural pur- MR. SPEAKER: Hon. Member. there IS poses. The party assured the people that a procedure for making allegation for which Pattas of the same land will be issued to the an advance notIce is required you should tillers. The ignorant people cut thousands of follow the proper procedure. trees and cleared·the forest in hope of getting land. (Interruptions) [English)
I would urge the Governments to de- There is a procedure for making that. pute a Committee there to veritY the facts. The Government should give a statement in MR. SPEAKER: You must follow the this regard. These facts should be get veri- procedure. The name will not go on record. fied. (Interruptions) [English] SHRI YADVENDRA DATT: I would like SHRt YADVENDRA DATT (Jaunpur): to know how and why. on whose authority. Sir, I wish to draw the attention of this House the nation was made to pay $10 million more and the Minister about a very important deal than the market rate was. How this jugglery which was carried through in september- took place? Who was responsible for it? I October last year, just before the elections would like the Govemment to seriously look and the country was winkled out of 10 million into the matter by appointing a Commission dollars in the deal. of Inquiry presided over by a Supreme Court *Not.. recorded . 461 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 462
Judge and the inquIry should be open. sonal explanation in this regard is not required, a judicial enquiry should be ordered. [ Translation] SHRI BHAJAN LAL: Global tender at MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Yadavendra, ,he rate of 480 dollars per ton received. ·Please sit down. You have made your point. ( Interruptions) (English] [English] MR. SPEAKER: I will look into it. MR. SPEAKER: I will allow a personal SHRI YADVENDRA DA IT: Therefore, explanation. as the ex-Minrster IS here. I would like him to give his own version and I would like the SHRI BHAJAN LAL: You kindly listen to Government to assure this House that an me. Let me reply to the point raised. Some open inquiry will take place Into this $10 complaints were made. It was alleged that million business of the country and where the rate was very high so fresh tenders thIs money has gone (InterruptIOns) should be invited. for this, there was a committee comprising seven Secretaries to the [ Trans/atlon] Government of India. This includes the Fi- nance Secretary, Fertilizer Secretary. Com- SHRI BHAJAN LAL (Faridabad): In a merce Secretary, M. D.IFFCO. They opened newspaper somethmg has been published the tenders. about me. They have mentioned my name. ( Interruptions) ( Interruptions) Lowest tender IS accepted. In response SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA (South to fresh tender, the lowest rate was quoted at Delhi): have hitherto seen persons tasting 432 dollars a ton .Tender quoting 480 dollars drops of acid I!"I TV but he swallowed whole a ton was received from Moracco Company of it. Please allow a diSCUSSion on this. and it was rejected. The Company filed a Suit for damages against us in Abu Dhabi for ( Interruptions) not having purchased goods from them.
MR SPEAKER: Please take your seat. ( Interruptions)
(interruptions) [EnglishJ
SHRI BHAJAN lAL: It has been alleged SHRI JASWANT SINGH (Jodhpur): Sir, here also that there has been a big bungling t am on a point of order. (Interruptions) in import of phosphoric aCId. I would like to state that global tenders are Invited for its MR. SPEAKER: Please order. I will hear purchase. Mr. Jaswant Singh's point of order. Please listen. MR. SPEAKER: Your name has been removed. ( Interruptions)
SHRI KALKA DAS (Karol Bagh): Per- SHRI JASWANT SINGH: , am on a 463 Written Answers APRIL 25, 1990 Written Answ91S 464 point of order. I refer to Rule 357, which is Some people came from Abu Dhabi and about personal explanations. In your discre- told me that they would withdraw the suit tion, you have been good erough to permit provided the decision taken by us is revoked. an han. Member of this House to offer his personal explanation. The speCific rule IS as ... ( Interruptions) ... follows: MR. SPEAKER: Shri Bhajanlalji: you "A member may, with the permission have explained the position, please take of the Speaker, make a personal ex- your seat. planation although there IS no question before the House. but in this case no SHRI HUKUMDEONARAYAN YADAV debatable matter may be brought for- (Sitamarhi): I am on a point of order. ward, and no debate shall anse ... · MR. SPEAKER: What is your point of (Interruptions, order?
MR. SPEAKER: I assured him that I do SHRIHUKUMDEONARAYAN YADAV: not allow any debate. Let him confine to hiS Mr. Speaker, Sir, yesterday, you gave a personal explanation. ruling that during zero hour only those members who give their intention In Writing [ Translation] to you would be called for making submission. So only those members who have Shrr Jaswant JI I have listened to your given their intention In writing should be point. gIven a chance to speak.
( Interruptions) [English]
[English] SHRI RAM NArK (Bombay North): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to invite your attention, SHRI VASANT SATHE: Have you got the attention of the Government and also the any patience to hsten?( Interruptions) attention of the House to a very senous inCident whICh has taken place yesterday In SHRI JASWANT SINGH: Sir. debat- Bombay In the State of Maharashtra. Mr. able matters are being brought forward. Justice M. P. Kema of the Bombay High Court was gIven threats. Threats were being It 15 much better to go back to the issued to him when be was hearing a case. question of an inquiry into the whole matter. He has stated that the persons who gave Let the Government conSider that aspect. threats were present in the Court when the (/nterruptlons) ...... case was being heard. Then Mr. Justice Kenia said that he is not going to bow down by such threats and he will continue to deal with justice. It is a very important Point. I [ Translation) hope the entire. House will appreciate the boldness exhibited by Justice Kenia in spite SHRI BHAJAN LAL: Mr. Speaker. Sir. of the threats. Further, I would like to say that from the last SIX months ..... he has undergone a very serious by-pass operation only before 15 days. He has gone ( Interruptions) on fast. He said that he would follow the 465 Written Answers VAISAKHA 5~ 1912 (SAKA) Written Answe/S 466
Gandhian tradition. He has gone on fast for There are a large number of seasonal five days from yesterday. subsequently he workers employed. They should be gradu- has stated that if the fast does not prove ally absorbed. They should be given reten- fruitful. after 29th he will go on an indefinite tion allowance and payment should be made fast unto death. So, I feel that this is a very on monthly basis.(lnterruptions) serious matter. The Government must call for the explanation from the Government of MR. SPEAKER: Let me hear Shri Surya Maharashtra. Also, The Minister of L.aw and Narayan Yadav. Justice should look into this matter so that the judiCiary can work independently without [ Translation] any fear. I would like to say that the Govern- SHRI SURYA NARAYAN YADAV ment should clarify the position. They should (Saharsa): Mr. Speaker, Sir, some days ago, tell us what action is proposed to be taken in 100 people lost their lives in an Air bus crash this matter. (Interruptions) in Bangalore, I suspect some foul play in Aiibus purchase deal. I have also given a MR. SPEAKER: Have you not finished? Calling Attention Notice, on this subject. Mr. Speaker, Sir, no reply has so far been re- SHRI RAM NAIK: The Government ceived from the Government in this regard. should take cognisance of it and explain T~e Government should reply to it. I urge the what action the Government IS taking In this Government to give a reply without any very serious incident. This is what I want to delay '" (lnt~"uptions). ". say. (Interruptions) MR.F SPEAKER: You may give it in writing. SHRI NANI BHAIT ACHARYA (Ber- hampore): I wish to draw the attention of the SHRISURYA NARAYAN YADAV:I have Labour Minister, although the Minister is not already given in writing. I have given a no- here, to a very Important and urgent matter... tice. MR. SPEAKER: All right, please sit SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE down. (Bolpur): He has gone to Nicaragua. [English] SHRI NANI BHA ITACHARYA: Several leaders of the Sugar Mill Workers' Union THE MINISTER OF ENERGY AND from Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Maharashtra and M1NISTEROFCIVILAVIATION(SHRIARlF some other States are staging a dharna In MOHAMMAD KHAN): You can fix any time, the campus of Shram Shakti Bhavan. This I have no objection. dharna has been sponsored by the Coordi- nation Committee of the National Sugar Mill (interruptions) workers' Union. They have got a lot of griev- ances. While the Government is intending to [ Trans/ation1 increase the production of sugar, the workers employed in these sugar mills are in a SHRI JANAK RAJ GUPTA (Jammu): very precarious condition so far as their Mr. Speaker, Sir, for the last few months, service conditions are concerned. This Delhi has been witnessing fire incidents taking dharna is being sponsored by the Hind place frequently. First victim was 'Vigyan Mazdoor Sabha. AITUC, CITU, UTUC and Bhavan'. it was followed by the fire in 'Sadar many other unions. (Interruptions) Bazar'. After that New Bank of India building 467 Written Answers APRIL 25, 1990
was the next vidim. There were bomb explo- tricrty connection illegally from high-tension- sions in two Police StatIOns. " is just two, wire and such fire-accidents are avoided. three days back that thousands of jhuggis in Another thing is that instead of removing Matia khan area were gutted. I would like to these people from these places, the Govern- know through you whether reactIOnary forces ment should take steps to re~shape these are suspected to be involved In such cases. places in order to protect 80% of such Jhug~ Are these cases simply accidental or any gis from fire accidents. Fifteen lakh jhuggls sabotage IS suspected? Besides this, I want are In danger of fire. My request is that the to know whether the Government is provid- Government should take this matter sen~ ing any ImmedIate help to rehabilitate people ously and make arrangements to ensure who are the victims of these cases and have safety of these jhuggis against frre been rendered homeless and whose chrl~ aCCIdents ... (Interruptions) .... dren have nothIng eIther to eat or to wear. They are In a very prtlable condition The SHRI JANAK RAJ GUPTA (Jammu): Government should extend help to these Mr. Speaker, I am on a point of order. SIr. people without any delay . (InterruptIOns) MR SPEAKER' Under whIch rule.
SHRI VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA SHRI JANAK RAJ GUPTA: Mr. Speaker. (DeIhl Sadar ): Mr Speaker. Sir. In the last what about my question, Sir. i have given a few days twenty thousands Jhuggls have notice In th,s regard. been gutted In fire and about 15 :khs people who were reSIdIng In these )nuggls have MR SPEAKER Mr. Gupta, sit down, been affected The Jhugg. dwellers live In please I have asked Shn BalaramanJee to dangerous conditions for two reasons F.rst speak I am not gOing to reply to your notice IS that they are not supplied the electnclty now You may take your seat, please and th,s makes them to take electnc-con- nectlOn from hIgh-tenSIon wire as a result to ( Interruptions) whICh Jhuggls catch fire and thousands of [English] Jhuggls are gutted In f.re I think such fire aCCidents are taking place because the elec- SHRI BALGOPAL MISHRA (Bolanglr) .tnclty, whICh IS essential for hVlng IS not SIT. I am on a pornt of order. Firstly, on s~pp"ed to these Jhugg.s In authOrised different Issues we have given Calling Atten- manner tion notices. We do not know what IS the fate of our notices. Secondly, yesterday you said [EnglIsh] that you will conSider gIVing time only to the SHRI A CHARLES (Tnvandrum) Sir, persons who give their names through their Shn Agarwal has given notice. but you have leaders You said that slttmg wrth the leaders not called him. of all the partIes you will take a deCISion In thiS regard. But It was not communicated to MR SPEAKER I know who has gIven us and again today we find that all the notICe and who has not given notice. Members are rising to speak ... (Interruptions) .. ( TranslatIOn] MR. SPEAKER: There is no POint of SHRI VLJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA. May order, please sit down. Now, Papers laid on I know whether the Government proposes to the Table, Shfl Sharad Vadav. supply electriCity to these jhuggls so that the jhuggl dwellers are not forced to take elec- 469 Papers laid VAISAKHA~, 1912 (SAKA) Papers laid 470
12.53 hrs. of.the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon.
PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE (3) A statement (Hindi and English Versions) showing reasons for delay in laying the papers men- [ Translation] tioned at (2) above. [Placed in the Library. See No. LT-71219O]
Detailed Demands for Grants of the Min- (4) (i) A copy of the Annual Re- Istry of Textiles for 1990-91. Reviews on port (Hindi and English the working of and Annual Reports of Na- Versions) of the Carpet . tiona I Jute Manufacturers Corporation Export Promotion Council. Ltd., Calcutta for 1988-89 and Carpet- Noida, for the year 1988- Export-Promotion Council, Nolda for 89 along with Audited 1988-89, Statements showing reasons for Acounts. Delay In Laying these Papers etc. etc. (H) A copy of the Review (Hindi and English Versions) by THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND the Government on the MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN- working of the Carpet DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV): Mr. Export Promotion Council, Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following pa- Naida, for the year, 1988- pers on the Table: 89.
(5) A statement (Hindi and English (1 ) A copy of the Detailed Demands for Versions) showing reasons for Grants (Hindi and English Versions) delay in laying the papers men- of the Ministry of Textiles for 1990- tioned at (4) above. [Placed in the 91. [Placed In the Library. See No. Library. See No. LT-7131901 LT-711/90J
(2) A copy each of the following papers [English] (Hindi and English Versions) under sub-sectlon(l) of section 619 A of Apprenticeship (Amendment) Rules the companies Act, 1956. 1989
(i) Review by the Government on the working of the NationalJute THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Manufacturers Corporation DEPARTMENT OF WOMEN AND CHILD Limited, Calcutta for the year DEVELOPMENT IN THE MINISTRY OF 1988-89. WELFARE (SHRIMATI USHA SINHA): Sir. on behalf of Shri Ram Vilas Paswan, I beg to (ii) Annual Report of the National lay on the Table a copy of the Apprenticeship Jute Manufacturers Corpora- (Amendment) Rules, 1989 (Hindi and Eng- tion Limited, Calcutta, for the lish versions) Published in Notification No. year 1988-89 alongwith Au- G.S.A. 909 on Gazette of India dated the 9th dited Acc;ounts and Comments December, 1989 under sub--sedion (3) of 471 Papers laid APRIL 25, 1990 PMB & R Comm. Report 472 Papers IBid Comm. Report etc. section 37 of the Apprentices Act, 1961. 1990-91. [Placed in Library. [Placed in Library. See No LT-714190] See No. LT·717190]
Detailed Demands for Grants of the Ministry of Petroleum and Chemicals 12.54 h,s. for 1990-91
COMMIITEE ON PRIVATE MEMBERS' THE MIN ISTER OF PETROLEUM AND BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS CHEMICALS (SHRI M. S. GURU- PADASWAMY) Sir, I beg to lay on the Table Third Report a copy of the Detailed Demands for Grants (Hindi and English versions) of the Ministry of Petroleum and Chemicals for i 990-91 SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL (Latur): Sir, I (Placed in library. See No. LT-715/90] beg to present the Third Report (Hindi and English versions) of the Committee on Pri- Statement Correcting Reply to Un starred vate Members' Bills and Resolutions. Question No. 4951 dt. 5.4.1989 reo Allot- ment of shops by D.D.A. to Handicapped Persons and Statement for Delay in Cor- recting the reply and Detailed Demands for Grants of Ministry of Urban Develop- ment for 1990-91 12.541/2 hrs.
THE MINISTER OF URBAN DEVEL- COMMITTEE ON PAPERS LAID ON OPMENT (SHRI MURASOLI MARAN)' SIr. THE TABLE I beg to lay on the Table.-
(i) Second Report (1) A statement (Hindi and Eng- h<;h verSions) (I) correcting the SHRI L. BALARAMANtVandavasi): Sir, mply given on 5th April. 1989 I beg to present the Second Report (Hindi to Unc;tared Question No. 495' and English versions) of the Committee on by Shn Ram Ratan Rarr.. M.P. P·apers laid on the Table. regarolng allotment of shops by DDA to handicapped per- (ii) Minutes relating to Second Re- sons o3lirj (it) glvmg reasons for port delay in correcting the reply. [Placed in Library. SeeNo. LT- 716/c)O] SHRI L. BALARAMAN (VANDAVASI): Sir, I beg to lay on the Table Minutes (Hindi and English versions) of the sittings of the (2) A copy of the Detailed De- Committee on Papers laid on the Table mands for Grants (Hindi and relating to their Second Report. English versions) of the Minis- try of Urban Development for 473 Call Attention Alleged VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) FERAby 474 violation of Exp. Group cos; 12.55 hr•. [English]
[MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (FROF. Chait] MADHU DANDAVATE): Sir, My attention has been drawn to the alleged violation of CALLING ATTENTION TO MATTER OF FERA and various tax laws by the Express URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE Group of Companies. A number of such alleged violations have come to the notice of the Govern ment and appropriate action under Alleged violation of Foreign Exchange relevant laws has been initiated in Regulation Act and various Tax Laws respect of all of them by the concerned by the Express Group of ComF'anies authorities. In order to save the time of the House, I lay two statements giving details of the various alleged infringements SHRI HARISH RAWAT (Almora)' Mr. of law, the action taken thereon and the Speaker, Sir, I call the attention of the han. stage where the matter rests at present. Minister of Finance to the following matter of These statements will show that all cases urgent public importance and request that have been pursued by concerned authori- he may make a statement thereon. ties under relevant provisions of law.
2. It IS our consistent policy that eco- "Alleged violation of Foreign Exchange nomic and tax laws should be enforced not Regulation Act and vanous Tax Laws only without fear or favour but also without by the Express Group of Companies any Vindictiveness, and I may assure the and action takeri by the Government In House that the Express Group of Compa- the matter." nies will be no exception. 475 Call Attention Alleged APRIL 25, 1990 FERAby 476 violation of Exp. Group Cos.
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SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Mr. Deputy • is a symbol of your courage. I have a Speaker. Sir. at the time of giving the notice word of praise for you for1hat, but in 1he reply for CaIing Attention Motion. I was ncI aware the Government has nowhere said thai any of the serious irregularities mrnmlled by the letter was addressed by the Deputy Prime Express Group of Companies Idh regard to MirEfer to 1he Prime Minister and the letter FERA and other cases. I would like to 1hank gave any cWections to your Ministry. I would !he hon. I6nister who has fumished more like to know it any leUer from the Deputy information than what we expected with Prime Minisferwas received by your a6nistry regard to these widespread irregWuties. Ihroughthe Prime a.ister in which you were The irregularities oommilted by the company asked to take prompt action against these is in vofumeS. Had these detailed informa- companies. There are some reports in the tion been made available 10 us a little earlier newspapers about this letter anal have also we could have. perhaps, drawn the attention seen some papers in this connection. It of the hDn. Minister to the irregularities, item- consists of two important points-one is wise, in a far better way. Your statement and abouL. (lntetrlfJlions) ... the information encloSed with it was received only haH an hour ago. I would like to draw [English) your attention and through you the attention of the hon. Minister to this fact. First of all the PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I rise on question was raised in this august House a point of order. Sir, the rules as weD as the and in the Hall outside the House: Thereaf- traditions of this House.... ter, it was said by the SCH;aJ1ed Government MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Are you re- spokesman-I am not aware whether the ferring to any rule? I can also see it. Government spokesman made a statement in an authenticated manner or leaked out PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Yes. I any news-that the Deputy Prime Minister have got Shakdher's book here where a has written a letter to the Prime Minister in reference to convention, rulings. etc.. has oonnection with various irregularities com- already been made. I win read out for your mitted by Express Group of Companies and assistance. not guidance as in your room, I the Prime Minister forwarded that letter to have to seek your guidance. this is page the Finance Ministry for further Investigation. 990-"correspondence between Ministers-: Neither the Government duly refuted the -It follows from the principle of collec- statement nor confirmed it. Of course on tive responsibility of the Council of 20th instant In a supplementary question Ministers to the lok Sabha. that all when Shri Gadgil drew the attention of the communications between Ministers are Government towards the manner in which regarded secret or oonfidential unless strict ation is being taken by the Government the Government itself decides to make against various companies for the irregulari- any paaicular communication or part ties committed by them and desired to know thereof public. The Government's right whether the Government would take action to decide what is secret or confidential with the same promptitude against the Ex- and what should be laid on the table of press Group of companies for the irregulari- the House is absolute. Even if a Minis- ties oommitted by them. on the basis of the ter quotes in the.House from a docu- letter written by the Deputy Prime Minister to ment, he may refuse to lay it on the the Prime Min~ter by the Government gave table of the House on the ground thai an affirmative reply. its disclosure would not be in 'public 511 Call AttentIOn Alleged APRIL 25, 1990 FERAby 512 vIOlatIOn of Exp Group Cos [Prof Madhu Dandaavate] you gIve the ruling. I have no quarrel at all If he only makes the query whether the Prime Interest What constrtutes 'pubhc in- MIOIster has sent a letter and that letter has terest' would agam be entIrely for the been forwarded to you Because he has Government to determIne ~ started referrrng to that, I only IOSlst that the contents of the letter should not be touched So, rt IS very clear A number of rulings H the query IS there, I myself will reply I fully have been gIven by the Speaker Hone agree With Mr Sathe Cabinet Member writes a letter to another, even those Members who were 'ormer\y In lEngllsh1 the Cabinet and who are occupying these benches on the OppoSitIon, WIll agree that thIs has bPen strictly adhered to and all the SHRI VASANT SATHE. Then you stick Speakers have ensured that these conven- to that The Pnme MinIster said something tions and rules are not Violated I would like and you are saying something else (Inter- that the same rule should be followed and ruptIOns) you should give your ruling .n the same dIrectIOn PROF MADHU DANDAVATE Mr Sathe that IS common sense I WIll reply to SHRI VASANT SATHE \Wardha) Sir that I have no objectIOn actually thiS ruling does n01 apply to the poInts that we have ralsE"d Under the gUise [ Trans/ar/on] of saying that there IS a communication between one Minister and another Minister let It not appear that there IS somethmg SHRI HARISH RAWAT S.r, It IS purely whICh the non Minister of Finance IS gOing to under your dIscretion as to whether you gIve try to aVOId a rultng or not with regard to the Prrme MInister and the Deputy Prrme Minister I Here the questlo.n IS Simple A Minister wanted to inVite the attention of han Finance may write to 8 M.nlster We are not both Minister towards the information leaked out ered about wha1 love letter has been wntten to the press by a Government spokesman The main question IS What IS the content? and whIch has already appeared 10 the The question asked IS was th at forwarded to newspapers I have not sa.d anything about the Finance Mlnlster?- After al\ he gets to the content of the letter and secondly. I know something only by somebody bnnglng Invited your attentIOn to a reply given In to hiS notIce If the hon Pnmp Minister has reference to a question ral"ed by an hon forwarded a certain material 10 you to inqUire Member on 20th In which the hon Minister .nto and look Into all that you need to say IS while admittIng the receipt of the letter saId whether such an Informat!on IS being looked that he would Imtlate speedy actIOn Thus Into by you If you look you need not even the han MInister has already admitted the refertoPnmeMlnls1er Wedonotm.Ad.t But eXistence of the letter In the House on the you cannot aVOid the fact that a certa.n thing 20th of thiS month That IS why I deemed It has been broug,",t to your notice The whole proper to make a passIng reference to that world knows who has brought what to the letter notICe You nppd not aVOid ,I and bring It under thiS rulmg MR DEPUTY SPEAKER He has said PROF MAOHU OANOAVA TE Before that 513 Call Attention Alleged VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) FERAby 514 violation of Exp. Group Cos. [English] question was considered to be their benefactor but now he is proving himself to be a He is going to reply about the tact that dangerous benefactor. He has been en- whether the letter was written or not. But gaged in such activities of destabilising the about the contents, he claims that the con- country even now. This in itself ;s a very tents are confidential and in public Interest, serious matter. The letter may have been the Minister does not want to disclose them. written to the Prime Minister by a person He is well within his right not to disclose other than the Deputy Prime Minister. Only them. He says that he will reply about the you can know the realrty. It has been alleged letter as to wHether it'was written or not. by the newspapers that he was involved in various financial irregularities. I am grateful SHRI P. A. ANTONY (Trichur): Sir, this to you that you have admitted of some facts IS an open Government. They are always of the case. One such case was of Catholic prepared to accept our suggestions. Syrian's Bank. This bank had sold shares of this company amounting to Rs. 4crore during PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: This is the period from 30-10-86 to 9-3-1987. This not so open that you rush in from one side period may kindly be noted, despite the fact and go out from the other side. that this bank was not authorised to deal in shares. How was the deal made? No actual rTranslation] transaction was made but only manipulative transaction was made. This fact was dis- SHRI HARISH RAWAT: I have no ob- closed in an enquiry made by the Income jection. If this Government which claims to Tax Department. During the course of en- be an open Government to which the han. qUIry, it was found that these shares were Finance Minister IS the greatest votary thinks never under the bank's custody, not even in that a letter written by one public servant to Calcutta where it is situated. On the oontrary, another public servant may pose danger to it has been stated by the Bank that these the Government.. ... shares were under their custody. The persons whose shares claimed to have been PROF. MADHU DANDVATE: No. there sold by the bank were not living in Calcutta IS no danger. The Government would lasHor even, rather they were living in other States. five years. The bank has stated that it incurred a loss of R.s_ 84 lakh in selling the shares. what a SHRI HARISH RAWAT: If you think that naive argument has been advanced that the the contents of the letter will really pose bank incurred loss in this deaf to save this danger to the eXlstence-of the Government companyl What sort of businessman they or you deem it necessary to conceal the were? But all this gives rise to suspicion that contents, you are free to do so, you can also this has been done with connivance of both escape from gIving a reply under the cover of these parties with an intention to evade tax the Rules and Regulation of the House but amounting to crores of rupees. On suspicion the whole country knows the contents of the of foul-play in the deal, the Income Tax letter already appeared in the newspapers. I Department initiated action in the matter. In do not know as to how far it is correct or not. order to nUllify this action, efforts are being It has been stated in the letter that the owner made to refer this case to the settlement of the oompany tried to destabilise the coun- Commission. Hon. Minister is well aware as try. It has also be'en stated that he has been to which kind ot cases should be referred to carrying out this activity for a pretty. long time. the Settlement Commission. A company is It has been further said that the person in authorised under the rules to approach the 515 Cal Attention Alleged APRil 25, 1990 FERAby 516 violation of Exp. GIOUp Cos. [She Harish Rawat] and initiate action against them. Thus there are many such cases, but I do not like to go Settlement Commission before the initiation into them as Shri Vasant Sathe and Shri of action against it. But it seems that there is Kumarmangalam will throw light in the mat- a move to relax this rule for this oompany so ter in detail. as to enable it to approach the Settlement Commission and escape action initiated SHRI DAU DAYAL JOSHI (Kota): All against it. The date mentioned by me is very these issues have already been discussed significant. and it can help the Income Tax and I think there is no Use in discussing it Department in initiating action against them. again. I would like to know the circumstances under which rules are being relaxed and who are MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: No, no, it is the persons putting pressure tor it? Will you not so. make the position clear In this regard? Will you assure that no concession will be al- SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Member is lowed in this connection? This IS riot the only perhaps unaware ot the tact that the matter case. There are some other cases also. Last was dIscussed in the House one and a half year, a top executive of this very company years ago and the then Finance Minister had furnished some informatIon to the Registrar, given an assurance in this House. Now with Newspapers whi~h In t!lrn passed It on to the the change of lhe Government, the thing has Income Tax Department. which a note that changed and a doubt has been created in several ~rregularities were committed in the minds of the people in regard to that Newsprint transaction. When the matter was assurance because the owner of that com- detected, efforts were made to hush it up. All pany claims to be the creator of this Govern- this becomes clear from the tact. as men- ment and originator of the Janata tioned by the hon. Minrster In hiS statement Dal. .. (lnterruptions) .... that there were several such pomts which prove violations of the relevant rules. In fact. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have said he has given details of such violations. Firstly, nothing in violation of the rule. In fact, I did Mis. Indian Express Newspapers (Pvt.) ltd. not want to mentIon it earlier. I simply wanted imported a scanner Machine from a German to make mention of the irregularities only. firm Mis. Dfietnch Kunhe at a value of D.M. But since my friend felt hurt, I wanted to 1,38,000. It was alleged that this import was explain it. Efforts are being made to slow under invoiced. The action was taken against down the pace of actions initiated so that the it and the apPeal IS pending with FERA economic offenders may gain time and Board since 21.12.89. Secondly, it was al- escape from punishment. It is a very serious leged that in connectIOn with the import of allegation against Government. I would like machinery trom Mis. Chemco Sys1ems, New that han. Minister should give a statement in York in ord~r to avoid cancellation of con- this regard. :ract for supply of the machinery, Indian =-xpress made payment of US $ 2 lakh There are many cases related to import hrough Dr. Eriner of Switzerland in violation of machinery by the company. In one of the Jf section 9 (1) (a) of FERA, 1973. This case cases, the C.B.1. initiated action under vari- IS also pending with FERA Board since 1989. ous sections of '-P.C. h was also discovered Thus a oonsiderable time has elapsed and that advances were taken trom the banks on this Government which claims to be swift in machinery and newsprints which were not in its action has been unable to issue even a godowns of the company, as a result thereof, show-cause notice to the concerned parties banks suffered IoSS9S. Thus on this basis, 517 Call Attention Alleged VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) FERAby 518 violation of Exp. Group Cos. C.B.1. initiated action against them. Will hon. Mr. Deputy speaker, Sir, in the first Finance Minister ask the Minister of Home case-if you see the statement which has Affairs to take up the issue with C.B.1. and been given in connection with the Calling bring it to its logical conclusion? I held hon. Attention-it is clear that the penahy that has Minister of Finance in high esteem. He has been imposed on the Indian Express was of too often stated that the Government wou1d the order of Rs. 13 lakhs, on Shri R. N. not hesistate In punishing the eC0nomic of- Goenka was of the order of Rs. 3 lakhs and fenders whosoever they may be. He has on others was of the order of Rs. 2lakhs.The asserted it in the House as well as outside present position as stated, i.e. ason 21.12.89, the House. I would like to request you not to is that an appeal has been filed before the waste time in initiating action in all these FERA Board. That is right,. One understands irregularities. The officials should also be that an appeal is being filed. But the issue is, given adequate protection in carrying out have they obtained a stay or have they paid investigation. I would appreciate ii hon. the money? If they have not paid the money Minister tells us something In this regard and have not obtained the stay, what actions also. are you taking to ensure that these penatties are recovered? [English] The other similar question that arises SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM (Sa- with regard to every single case where lem): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I was pleas- appeals have been made, Le., where mat- antly surprised to see the Statement of the ters like Item No.4, dealing with violations on hon. Finance Minrster Prof. Dandavate set- the matter of import from Mis. Harris Mari- ting out the Dosition which looks like or noni, France of printing machinery where seems to be to the best of his knowledge. But Rs. 17,50,000 was involved is this. The what surprtsed me was to note that, as at the notice, as I can understand from the file was moment, there are five cases of violations issued some where in 1988. All that is- being under the Foreign Exchange Regulation Act. said is that a case has been heared and later Under the Customs Act, there are another t~e matter has been processed for comple- five cases. And under the Direct Taxes Act. tion of adtudication. I would like to ask spe- there are ten cases. The total comes to cifically-especially in a matter that was raised twenty Violations of serious nature. The in 1988-how long are you going to take to Finance Minister. In hiS statement, has gone ensure that the adjudication is complete? I on record by stating that: would also like to know with regard to violations under the Customs Act where the pH - "It IS our consistent policy that eco- ent stage has been invariably that prosecu- nomic and tax laws should be enforced tion is pending, writ petition has been filed, not only Without fear or favour but also but nothing has been said there-whether in Without any vindictiveness ... " the wrrt pet~tion, interim orders were obtained staying the prosecution 0r whether I wonder Without Vindictiveness would there has been any action whatsoever stay- ultimately mean the cover under which the ing the quasi-judicial proceedings under the tax evqders and vlolaters will get off the Customs Act. It is because a Show Cause hook. It is quite clear that even though many Notice has also been issued. What is the cases have been adiudicated and penalties status of that action? have been passes, we are still not aware whether these penalties have been paid or Similarly, I would also like to know whether they have been stayed. another thing. They say, in Item No.2, that 519 Call Attention Alleged APRIL 25, 1990 FERAby 520 violation of Exp. Group Cos. [Sh. P.R. Kumar Mangalam] fight for their fundamental rights, we find this Paper Group making crores of rupees seil- Show Cause Notice has been issued, prose- ing newsprint in black market. And some cution has been filed on 26.10.87 and then cases have been filed-what is normally said the Bombay High Court, by an order, has in our usual language, naam ke vaaste, just stayed further proceedings. On what have for name's sake, just to put on record that a they stayed the further proceedings? May I case has been filed. know whether the proceeding which IS pending before the Collector or the prosecution Of course, one understands the influ- case? It looks like that the item which is ence. Many of us, I can assure you, and pending before the collector, the quasi-judicial many in this House are wondering: Should proceedings, that IS stayed. Then, what is one really raise a finger at them or not; what the poSItion of the prosecution? Are you are the consequences, and what are not the proceeding with It or are you dragging your consequences? After all, the power of the feet? Unfortunately, if one looks at the state- pen In a democracy IS often more powerful mentwhich is madeonthefloorofthls House than the word in Parliament, because many by the han. Finance Mlnrster, one gets a very a thing IS said by the pen and the wrrtten word uneasy feeling that an attempt has been In a paper, where the printed words can often made to be frank, but In that frankness lies a amountto libel, stillthey are not really brought certain amount of dubiousness. to book. Of course, one knows that the person who has courage to stand up and PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: At least, Criticise them ortake action against them will say reservation. land up in trouble. I think each one of us, all the three of us who have raised this ISSue are SHRI P. R. KUMARAMANGALAM: No, aware that we will become the Victims In the I would not say reservation. I have a lot of paper soon. Somewhere orthe other we will respect for you, Professor sahib. I know your be picked upon and attempts Will be made. intentIOns. I do understand your Circum- But, Professor Sahib, I can assure you that stances. After all, when someone claIms to there are many In this Hcuse, and I hope be your official organ, how can one really put almost all the Members In this House will them in the dock? have the courage to stand up, including yourself, to pf)sslble blackmail. I would also like to bring to the notice of this House, that these are not the only viola- Prof. Sahib, as I said in the beginning, I tions that have come to the notice of the was pleasantly surprised to see your state- Government. There have been serious vio- ment, that you at least could lay on the Table lations which Involved newsprint, where of this House what you know; but I would newsprint allotted-Imported- in order to plead with you, In the hope that you are the ensure that the freedom of the Press is same professor whom I have known for maintained, has been misused. I would many years, and that you have not changed understand If some casual, unknown, insig- after becoming the Finance Minister, the nificant newspaper indulged in this exercise: same individual, that you would go into the but it shocks my conscience to note that. a matters in depth (Interruptions) ... and really paper group which fights against its employ- analyze-it is a hope; one always hopes; we ees on the question of paying a fair wage to are optimists. After all, optimism is the es- them and implementing an Award made, sence of life-not to be pessimistic. My friend under Statute, by Mr. Bachawat-all of us are Harish asked me, 'Really?'; so, I told him that aware 01 tAat-where the employees have to , always believe that optimism is the best 521 CallAttentionAlleged VAISAKHA5,1912{SAKA) FERAby 522 violation of Exp. Group Cos. thing in life. (interruptions) He wIshes to be a hon. Finance Minister has not yet been realist: but I wIsh to be an optImist. But my pleased to tell us whether he is looking into optimism is based on an analysIs of the man the correspondence which has come from I knew: and I hope I know. the Prime Minister. I am obliged to invite his attention to certain specific matters which Without takrng too much tIme of this are related to the misdeeds of this group, House, I would like to make or.ly an Impor- and which need to be enquired into. What he tant issue: one should not send signals from has been kind enough to supply us IS a tip of this House or from the Government or from the iceberg, when we consider the reported anywhere, that anybody IS above the rule of Irregularities. The Central Bureau of Investi- law. Anyone who has violated any provI- gation has filed a case against Goenka under sions of the law that IS laid down by the SecMn 420 regarding cheating etc. The Statute and by customs and procedure next SectIon IS 477 regarding fraudulent cannot, lust because he has one of the most cancellation, destruction of bills, etc. The powerful weapons In hiS ,",and. known as the next Section IS 120(b) which relates to pun- newspaper. should be a;'owed to ge1 off Ishment or criminal conspiracy under IPC. A scot-free. case was registered as back as in 1971 and the Supreme Court has been authorised to What surprises me IS that In the case of prosecute Mr. Goenka on charges levelled FERA violations. the Report does not men- against him by CSI on November 21,1986. tion about prosecution proceedings. I do No action has been taken in this respect so recollect that. wilen the present Pnme MIn- far. The Company Law Board had ordered Ister was the F1na1'1ce Mlnlstel. he had taken an Inspection of the Indian Express Newspa- very strong steps rlgalnstthose persons who pers Private Ltd. on December 3, 1987. The had violated It ThiS InclJded the Reliance Inspection disclosed contravention of Sec- group. I am not holding a'ly brief for them. I tions 209, 292, 297, 383A, 314L i.e. 309(1), wish they are also brought to book with an 309(2), under the Companies Act, and the equally firm hands as Goenka IS. I also do need for a thorough Investigation into viola- recollect that tne present Finance Minister tion of not only the Income-tax Act, Wealth had stated categOrically on the Floor of the Tax Act but also the Foreign Exchange House that thiS Government would not be a Regulation Act. The question is, what is partly to any misdeed My request to the han. bemg done. Finance Minister IS that he should Inform us about the actual position In detail We would like to know, not In a brief manner but With The Indian Express Newspapers Pri- specific POSition. as to what action has been vate Ltd. is allegedtohave madean unlawful tak-3n. Has the adJudicatio" been completed? gain of Rs. 28 crores, by building a 24-floor What action has been taken .n respect of Express Towers at Nariman Point, Bombay, penalties which are due but not yet recov- through which the-Com.any earns an annual ered? What actlO'1 do you propose to take Income of more than Rs. 3 crores-annual against other matters that have come to the income-by way of rentals from big foreign notice of the Government after raids, enquir:.- companies and multi-nationals. No taxes les and information received? We would be have been paid. No taxes have been paid on obliged if the law is really applted In the real this hidden income over the years. Will you sense of the term: and the term" vindictive" kmdly enquire into it? IS not used to cover this up. I hope, Somnathji, you are not whisper- SHRI VASANT SATHE (Wardha): The ing something in favour of him. 523 Call Attention Alleged APRIL 25, 1990 FERAby 524 violation of Exp. Group Cos. SHRI SOMNATH CHATERJEE many questions. I hope, I will not be stopped. (Bolpur): I am only talking to my friend I am not making a speech. The Group in maintaning Sterling account in London in SHRI VASANT SATHE: But the strang- violation of FERA. est thing is, here is a big magnate, running a chain of 12 newspapers, biggest in Asia as Mr. Goenka himself has admitted hav- he claims, and yet, he says he is so poor that ing raised substantial credit from foreign he cannot implement the recommendations nationals like Mr. Braiver of Sweden to buy of the Bachawat Award because he is not in machinery for Indian Express again sztill a position to pay the employees! held against the Group for violation of FERA rules. A large number of newsprint cases Here is a magnate, who is known. hav- with enormous profits to the Express Group ing so many companies hir,lself states that were detected in recent years. The raid his real income is from real estate. Mr. Deputy- authorities themselves say that this is the Speaker may bestow. his anention. biggest ever newsprint racket that was un- earthed. No action has been taken. A tear AN HON. MEMBER: He is deemed to was expressed by a very sernior member of have heard. this Government that there is a likelihood of these cases being hushed MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I do not have up .... ( Interruptions) ... to hear. The Minister is here for replying. SHRI KALP NATH RAI (Ghosi): Deputy Sir, he himseH has admitted that his real Prime Minister Mr. Devi Lal. income is from the real estate and not from the newspapers. And therefore, has an effort SHRI VASANT SATHE: I did not take been ma
SHRI RAM NAIK (Bombay North): That SHRI VASANT SATHE: , know that. is not the subject here. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please bear SHRI VASANT SATHE: The Calling that in mind. Attention is about evasion of income-tax. Are you interested in defending him? This is SHRI VASANT SATHE: There was a amazing. I do not know. Are you defending precedent or a convention here. the Indian Express? Sir, the other day, the hon. Finance I am asking only two questions I am Minister while talking of BOB Fiscal said, any entitled to ask questions. I am not asking so misappropriation deal questionable, colour- 525 Call Attention. Alleged VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) FERAby 526 violation of Exp. Group Cos. able will not be aJlowed. He agree that no [ Translation] loss was involved. Here. a branch of a bank. unauthorized merchant bank. deal with SHRt KALP NATH RAt (Ghosi): He is shares. Do you know the extent,.Sir-running correct. There is nothing wrong in it. into aores. At one go, this branch issued SHRI RAM NAIK: Truth be said bogus certificates stating that the shares must but it should be said on time. bought by Goenka group were in its custody and it also issued certificates to the purport, SHRI VASANT SATHE Now, t 'con- the total value of shares owned by Goenka elude. was to the tune of As. 3,67,81.500. Is this a huge amount or is this a joke? This branch SHRI DAU DAYAL JOSHI: Enquiry by had further issued certificate to the purport. C.B.I. has been conducted everything has On order of Goenka, it sold the shares forthe been done. I do not want any other enquiry. price of As. 2,83.56,750, thus incurring a I thank, there is a CBI enquiry already. loss of As. 84 lakhs deliberately and wanting SHRI RAM NAIK: (Bombay North): On to avoid income of Rs. 2.5 crores. How is this a point of order. Under the rules normally the happemng? This has never been known in first mover gets 10 minutes and the subse- the history of any merchant bank. On one quent Member gets five minutes each. But, single day, they had a transaction of 2,45,000 the han. Member has already taken fifteen share scripts. The Finance Minister is an minutes. What is your ruling? ... (Intenvp- expert in this matter... .. (lnterruptions) tions)
Therefore, I would like to know whether MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I have already there was a total fraud, no transfer, no sale, told hIm to be brief. What you are saying is no loss-in the one day transactIon-of Rs. 85 correct. lakhs. Sir, the Finance Minister himself has (English] said that there will be no double standards. He has repeated that today. Here is a Fi- SHRI VASANT SATHE: Sir, I would nance Minister who comes from a great request the Finance Minister to personally tradition, as you are aware Sir, of Ram look into all these allegations, that I have Shastri Prabhune from pointed out, and those contained in the let- Maharashtra .. ( Interruptions) ... ter. The tussie is between two king makers, one claiming to have made so and so the [ Translation] Prime Minister; other saying that he has actually done it. Now, one is complaining AN HON. MEMBER: You are telling us against the other king maker. t hope, the about traditions or asking a question? Finance Minister will personally look into the allegations and if tomorrow he declares that he is satisfied that Mr. Goenka is not guilty of SHRI VASANT SATHE: It is beyond all these offences that t have mentioned just your understanding. now, I am willing to take his words and would trust this modern Aam Shastri Babu. AN HON. MEMBER: Therefore, it is happening for the last two years. (Interrup- PROF. MAOHU DANDAVATE: Mr. tions) Deputy Speaker, Sir, I do not want to take shelter behind the limitation of time when [English] such important issues are there. Though the time is fixed, I myself know when I was sitting on the Opposition Benches, it is a conven- SHRI VASANT S.ATHE: I do not want a tion that" one is developing a point, time is cal enquiry, if you ask me. 527 Call Attention Alleged APRIL 25, 1990 FERAby 528 violation of Exp. Group Cos. [Prof. Madhu Dandavate] As far as that letter is concerned, I have already mentioned about that. Now, firstly let allowed and you have nghtly shown the me make it very clear, that sticking to the indulgence and given them more time. I have canvass of the call attention notice within the no grouse. You may also show the same very short time at our disposal, what we Indulgence to me. SIr. consider to be within the ambit of this particular call attention notice, we oollected all MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You were possible material and placed before you in a getting it when you were in the OppositIOn tabulated form. In fact, our friend who initi- and you will certainly get It now also. ated the cali attention notice, said that he did not expect this much material. I have given PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: At least more than what he demanded. Do not have that is the hentage that IS helping me. Indigestion. Try to digest It. I Wish to make rt very clear on the baSIS of the tabulation that Sir, I would once again like to draw the IS given to you. We have given all the details. attentIOn of the House and particularly Members who have tabled the call attention In thiS tabulation we have given all the notIce that the scope of thiS particular notice details-the Item, what IS the allegation, brief IS limited. If they expand, give separate no- deSCription of the alleged VIolation, amount tice, send to us a lot of matenal and all sorts Involved. action taken, and the present of alleged crimes that are supposed to have poSition. If the hon. Members had carefully been commrtted. and It IS about that they gone through this-and 1 think all the three want us to hold an enqUiry and come before Members have carefully gone through this the House, that altogether IS a different prob- tabulatlon-we have made two things explic- lem. But, here I would read rtly clear because questions are asked by my fnend, Mr. Kumaramangalam-is he there or "To call the attention of the Minister of gone? Oh, he IS there. Doesn't matter, his Finance to the alleged Violation of the better champions are there. Sir, as far as the Foreign Exchange Regulation Act and questIons are concerned ... (/nteffuptions). varIOus tax laws by the Express Group Even Mr. Kumaramangalam would not take of companies and the actIon taken by rt derogatory. You do not unnecessarily get the Govt. In the matter' distressed. All nght, if you are distressed, I withdraw that. Not prosecution, only this. I am not contradlctrng everything that you have said. Something has to be ac- SHRI VASANTSATHE: Don'twlthdraw cepted those prosecuttons.
PROF MADHU DANDAVATE: No, not To start With, a Question was raised, at all. I am making It very clear, Mr. Sathe. I without gOing Into the details and the content am more keen. What 1 have pleaded from of the letter and the correspondence, whether that Side, I stand on thiS side by the same 1 have received that letter. SInce the Prtme premIses. I would not change. I am the same Minister also clardled that. I must state very person. clearly that when the Deputy Prime Minister wrote a letter to the Pnme MinIster, the Prime Whether In the OppositIon or In the Minister promptly sent that letter to me and ruling party as the Finance Minister, that is that letter IS In my possessIon. But, as perthe Immaterial. rules of procedure. the conventions and various rulings. I think Shn Sathe Will agree. As far as the poSition of various allega- I will not go Into the details of that letter. What tlons and prosecutions is concerned, let it be IS required IS the substantive Issue end that very clear that all these issues were raised is what we are concerned With during the previous Government. The al- 529 Call AttentIOn Alleged VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) FERAby 530 violation of Exp Group Cos. 'eged vIOlatIOns were formulated, prosecu- of the concerned Board, they should be tiOns were launched at varIOus forums ac- permitted to proceed With thiS Issue and cordlngtothe Issueconcer'1ed For Instance, even demand from the court that the penal- If It IS the violation of FERA, In that case It IS ties Which have been given, the deCISions the FERA Board that will take It up As far as that have been taken, are not appropriate. I other Issues are concerned, It will be the Wish to make It clear that the Govemment Metropolitan Magistrate who will take up the believe In free JudiCial processes We will not Issue. And after these declS40ns are taken, Interfere with the processes and whatever there IS also an appeal Now It IS the ac- be the deCISIOn of the court, If they say that cepted practice that even when certain Judi- even In spite of thiS, the penalty should be cud forum has found out certain allegations paid, we will decrde the Issue later on Or d to be correct and prescnbed penalties, when they say that let us go ahead With the prob- the matter goes Into the appeal, those who lem, we 'ltlll cross the bndge when we come have been prosecuted or alleged of certain to the bridge, we Will accept that Whatever vIOlatIOns, they have the right to seek In the be the pronouncements, we are accepting It. appeal what they conSider to be Justice In So, we have made our posrtJQn exphcltly almost all the cases which I have tabulated, clear as far as that IS concerned I have made It explicitly clear as to where the matter IS pending before which Judicial fo- Then, he raised another Issue and that rum the matter IS pending Most of these was that whether those offICers In the prevI- matters are pending before the courts Sec ous Government-and many of them ondly, as far as the prosecutions are can continue-and those who were responSible cerned, I wish to make It explicitly clear and for makmg all the preliminary Investigations, make It go on record that we do not want to Will be penalised, and because they were Intercept the Iud ICla I process at all and there- Involved In the Investigations, whether they fore, whatever prosecutions have been would be harassed launched and the matter has gone Into the appeal, Government on ItS own does not As a Finance MInister, I can given an want to Withdraw the prosecution at all Let assurance that those who are not found the lawtake ItS own course whatever be the gUIlty of any manIpulations or conspiracy consequences That IS the attitude of the and If In the stnct discharge of the duties and Government and therefore we have not Instructions of the Minister, they acted, we tampered With anyone of the cases I Wish to are not gOing to harass them because they make It clear and make a categorical com- have only done their duty, because we Will mItment to thiS House that there IS no ques- ask our officers to Investigate Into many tion 01 withdraWing the prosecutions affairS that have come to us and It we ask them to Investigate-some might be investi- The thIrd point-and the very relevant gating Into bofors, some might be investigat- point-that Mr Kumaramangalam has raised Ing Into something else-Into certain cases IS that accordmg to the tabulation that we and Jater on If some other Government have given In some cases I need not mention comes, let us Imagme that It comes all the cases because he himself has quoted them-certaln penalties and amounts have AN HON MEMBER We Will come been mentioned and the question IS have the back penalties been paid The JudiCial procedure demands that those who have been penal- PROF MADHU DANDAVATE All right, Ised and have been asked to pay a certain God bless you, and If at all It comes and It It quantum of penalty, they have the nght to tnes to take vlnd Ictlve action, there, Will be no appeal, both In the case of FERA Board as contlnurty of the Government SIr, that IS one well as In the case of the various courts They of the reasons why the Government of the have already made applications that pend- I} K has maintained the democratic tradi- mg the fmal deCISions of the adjudicators or tions Mlntsters may come and MInisters 531 Cal Attention A/Jsg9d APAll25, 1990 FERAby 532 violation of Exp. Gtoup Cos. (prof. Madhu Dandava1e] roy's Executive Council and focussed ~ issue of atrcx::itias. So many details about may go. Governments may oome and Gov- atrocities came in 1942. There was a ~ ernments may go. But there is a certain caIed -India Ravagecr .• gave althe deIaIs element of continuity of administration. If and BYen Dr. Shyama Prasad MukMIjae's one has ovar-reached the brief and dona lattar to the VIC8fOY was also quotad. All of something manipulative, that is different But them wera combined into that book caIad in the usual discharge of the duties and -India Ravagecr and ovemighl it was printed instructions, if one has ai:led without vioIat- and it was Sent abroad also. So, Sir, while .. ingthefundamental premise of Constitutional may take satisfaction in talOng abrU .... law, even if I give instructions to my officer. Goenka in dafamalory way, you remember Which are violative of human rights. violative that it was the same joumaI which was of Constitution. viotative of law and if some- responsible during the fr8edom SbUggIe in body does that and afterwards appearing revealing althese things_ During Emergency before the Court daims that because Mr. also many journals played their role and we Dandavate gave instructions like that. I ~n't are proud of it. But that is to be segregated think he can go scot free. I think in a Nurem- from this. I you ara gong to refer to that burg trial. It had been'establishedthat those particular aspect. we are not going to get who are guilty of heinous crimes when they embarrassed. I would ike to separate the tried to teU the Nuremburg Court that they two. (Interruptions) have done that but not done on their own.-they have violated human rights, they SHRI VASANT SATHE: Please do not have committed crimes against humanity-but compare Dr. Shyama Prasad Mukherjeewith on the instructions of someone at the top Mr. Ramnalh Goenka they had done that, I think you yoursetf as a layer know that International Corpus has PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Youdid been suitably amended that unless on the not understand my point Mr. Sathe. You ground that they have received instructions were my coUeague in 1942 and if you re- from the top. that cannot be done. So, Sir, we member, we praised Mr. Goenka and Pandit will not allow any officers harassed or dealt Nehru praised him after his release. He said with only on the ground that in the previous that in an underground movement, this was regime he was asked to make the prelimi- a fine work that was done and it was good nary investigations and he did it. that even to the army men that particular book 'India Ravaged- could reach. So, I am Sir. in the course of the discussion. not comparing him with Dr. Shyama Prasad somebody also broughtforward some extra- Mukherjee. Tomorrow. for instance, if I quote neous issues. He said whether the Indian something from Mahatma Gandhf Book Express is our official organ. let us separate which you have followed, it does not mean the two things. The Indian Express as a that I oompare you with Mahatma Gandhi. journal and various alleged elements are ( Interruptions) altogether different. Since you have made the comments and you have referred to the 14.00 hrs. Indian Express, let me tell you that not only the Indian Express but there are joumals in ( Translation ] this oountry which apart from technical violations or gross violations, might have commit- SHAI HARISH RAWAT: What do you tad violation. But there is a code of conduct want to convey by raving thia? and editors also have a tradition. I am associated with the freedom struggle and I re- [English 1 member those days in 1942 when there were atrocities in Midnapore. Dr. Shyama PROF. MAOHU DANDAVA1E: I think Prasad Mukherjee resigned from the Vice- the message has reached you. You need not 533 Gall Attention Alleged VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) FERAby 534 violation of Exp. Group Cos. ask the question. the Leader of the House. I do not want his apology and don't enter into the records his SHRI UARISH RAWAT: You are giving apology.' The next day the newspapers put the message to someone else. (Interrup- the heading: 'Battle of Courtesies.' It is such tions) words of courtesy which are the tradition of this House. (Intsnuptions) Therefore. don't PROF. MAOHU OANOAVATE: Noth- bring these issues to this level as to whether ing. I don't need anybody mercy. In our 40 I am trying to appease BJP or not. Even years; political life we have survived on our befc:>re BJP was born. I had stated this. I had own, not with the crutches of anyone and will quoted Somnath Chatterjee's father who not need them. Remember that. (Interrup- was a member of the Hindu Mahasabha. But tion~. Mr. Sathe, even before the BJP was he was a great parliamentarian and he cre- bom, I had quoted in this House and in ated traditions in this House and maintain Parliamentary Orientation courses, the the independent character of Lok Sabha manner in which Shyama Prasad Mukherjee different from Rajya Sabha. I have no hesi- has acted in this House and the manner in tation in quoting him notwithstanding the fact which Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru also re- that he was a member of the Hindu Mahas- sponded to some of the actions of some. abha, not a CPI(M} man like Somnath Chat- Shall I give you one instance? (Interrup- terjee. These are the traditions of the tions). Sir, please allow me. When Shyama House. (Interruptions) Prasad Mukh~rjee ~as occupying a seat in this House ... (Interruptions). Please, it is SHRI A. CHARLES (Trivandrum): It worthwhile listening to it. tt is good for our was very en,t)cwassing. I am sorry to say tradition. When he was speaking in this that yesterday the Speaker was threatened House ...... (Interruptions) by a few Members of the BJP and he had yielded to the threat. That is very unfortu- AN HON MEMBER: We do not want to nate, Sir. (Interruptions) hear. (Interruptions) PROF. MAOHU DANDAVATE: Sir, my PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I am praise of the democratic traditions of this not guided by you, I am guided by the Chair. House are not guided by trying to seek the support of the CPI(M) or the BJP, let it be Sir, I am quoting the tradition which will understood. That is why I quoted this. (Inter- be useful for us as well as Members of the ruptions) Sir. there are various issues which other side. There was one debate going on. I have mentioned in this very note and they Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru got up and he were quoted. And I have also said how much passed certain remarks against Shyama penatty was imposed and the matter is Prasad Mukherjee. He said: 'I hope we have pending before the court and whatever be a Prime Minister who believes in gentleman- the final judgment and final verdict, we will liness.' Shyama Prasad Mukherjee kept quiet ensure that that particular verdict is rigor- and continued to speak. After 10 minutes in ously implemented even if the penalty is this very House Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru got increased or if it is cancelled. You don't take up and said, Mr. Speaker, Sir, after a second it for granted that in the final appeal neces- thought I felt that I ought not to have passed sarily the order and judgement will be against, these remarks about Shyama Prasad it might be in favour also. We will not antici- Mukherjee. I may be permitted to withdraw pate the final judgement of the court and my remarks and offer my unqualified apol- therefore, we will await that. I don't take the ogy. And what was the response of Dr. technical view. I could have said, 'The matter Shyama Prasad Mukherjee? He got up and is pending before the judicial forum, the said, ;Sir, the very thought that came to the matter is sub judice, and therefore I do not mind of the Prime Minister that he ought not want to say anything.' I could haye taken to have used these words is sufficient. He is shelter like that. Well I have not taken that, 535 Call AttentIOn Alleged APRIL 25, 1990 8 A C Report 536 vIOlation of FERA by Exp Group Cos [Prof Madhu Dandavate) Chair's approval but that IS so Sir, one of the allegations IS regarding the non-compltance of conditions Under As far as one case IS concerned. we were thiS. the RBI has permitted Indian Express to told that the Synan Bank's share Issue was maintain the sterling Account In Loyds Bank, raised It IS altogethef a different Issue You London The non-comphance allege
MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Motion MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr. Faleiro, moved: do not into the detailed debate on the subject. "That this House do agree with the Eighth Report of the Business Advi- SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: I am very sory Committee presented tothe House much right under rule 290. My time IS up to 5 on the 24th April, 1990." minutes. First proviso to rule 290 says:
SHRI EDUARDO FAlEIRO (Mor- "Provided that an amendment may be mugao): Sir,l have given a notice for amend- moved that the report be referred back ment. to the Committee either without limitation or with reference to any particular MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You are not matter:" allowed to mov.e. The important point is this. It is in SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: Sir, it is second proviso regarding the Members' right allowed both In practice and procedure. which the office has not adverted to:
MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You are just "Provided further that not more than making a submiSSion. held an hour shall be allotted for the discussion of the motion and no SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: Do you member shall speak for more than five want me to move It? minutes on such motion."
MA. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I am saying I am not going to take 5 minutes. I am that you are not allowed by the office to move going to take much less. I am making a it. substantial point now.
SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: Why am I On the day before the Foreign Minister not allowed? left for New York, the Foreign Secretary had resigned. He was asked to resign as per the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Okay, you Press report. may make the submission.
SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: There is MA. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You are alone important situation regarding what is lowed to say whether the topic which you happening In Kashmir and concerning the have suggested should be included in the Indo-Pak relations. at this point of time with agenda or not. You are not allowed to say which Parliament is not being informed about. what happened with respect to that topic and What I want is that the House should have a you cannot go into all the details. discussion' for which I have given notices. Number one is, on the talks that the Minister SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: What I of External Affairs IS holding today In New want IS that the Government should clarify York with his Pakistani counterpart, he should this position as to why the Foreign Secretary make a statement as soon as possible. on had resigned. 539 B.A. C. Report APRil 25, 1990 Matters under Rule 377 540
MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Again you "That'this House do agree with the are going into the details. Eighth Report of the Business Advi- sory Committee presented to the House SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: You are on the 24th April, 1990.. curtailing my right. I am very sorry, Mr. Deputy-Speaker. With utmost respect to The motion was adopted you, I may say, I have been in this House for the fourth term and I know what the proce- SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: There dure is. should be no curtailm~nt on the right of the Member. I am very grateful to you but the The Foreign Secretary has resigned. office was not aware apparently of this rule. The reports are in th.e Press. AI! that I am asking is that the statement may be made to MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: It is not really clarity why he has resigned, why he was the office. It is a decision of the Chair. They asked to resign. He was incharge of Paki- do assist the Chair on finding out th~ rules stan desk. He was our Ambassador to Paki- and regulations. This is really the decision of stan before becoming the Foreign Secre- the gentleman who is sitting in the Chair. I tary. Is there any change in policy in regard should take that responsibility but, at the to Pakistan? He was offered the Governor- same time, there are methods of raising this ship of Assam which shows that he is a very issue which you can adopt. You have adopted competent man. Why was he asked to go? Is this method! there any change in the policy of the Govern- ment? Why was he asked to resign? We SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: I am grate- want the-Government to clarify on this point. ful to you for having given the correct decision. (Interruptions) We are also entitled to I know what the proc~ure IS. Mr. demand a discussion on the statement made Deputy-Speaker, Sir, with utmost respect, I by the Parliamentary Affairs Minister regard- may say that I have raised several such ing the business of the Government. matters in the past since 1977. Let the Government clarify why the Foreign Secre- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now we will tary resigned, why was he asked to resign. taktf up Matters Under Rule 377.
MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I will just read the ruling which was gi"en in the House and the matter ends there. 14.15 hrs.
"Amendment to'motion for adoption of MATTERS UNDER RULE 377 Business Advisory Committee report could be made to change all~cation of [ Trans/ation] time recommended by the Committee but new items of business could not be (I) Need to provide adequate fa- aoded through amendments." cility to the farmers for cultivating their land, particularly This is new item. In Districts Kanpur, Fatehpur, Banda, Jalaun, Etawah, Hamlrpur etc. of Uttar Pradesh SHRJ EDUARDO FALEJAO: I am per- fectly all right. The GOVernment should reply to this point. (Interruptions) SHRI KESHARILAl (Ghatampur): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, even today. agriculture MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The ques- is the mainstay for the majority of the people tion is: in our country and also as important sector of 541 Matters under VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) RuJe377 542
our national economy. But it IS regretable Panchayat representative. that this important sector has almost been neglected. All sorts of assistance, as avail- Funds should be disbursed through able to industries, should be extended to State Governments farmers and all facilities should also be provided where the same are not available. (iii) Need to drop the proposal of They are not getting remunerative prices of setting up of Co-operative their crops in the market as a result of which Sugar Factory at Dadra and farmers are becoming poorer day by day. Nagar Havefi Poor farmers experience difficulties in getting loans from banks. SHRI MOHANBHAI SANJIBHAI DElKAR (Dadra and Nagar Haveli): Sir, the Therefore, it IS requested that those people of Dadra and Nagar Haveli, which areas in the dlstncts of Kanpur, Banda, has a large Adivasi population have been ..Ialaun, Etawah etc. should be Identified agitating against the setting up of proposed where cultivable land remains unutillsed for Dadra, Nagar Haveli Cooperative Sugar want of adequate facilities for cultivating Factory. The site chosen by the Directors !hem. In view of the POints stated above, was the surplus lands of the previous land- government should provide all the facilities lords. These plots of land were to be distrib- 10 the farmers. Today, we talk about import- uted among the landless Adivasis. But due ,ng foodgralns, all these problems can be to the proposed Sugar Factory, these Ad;va- solved by taking the aforesaid steps. sis have been deprived of their rights. More- over, suffIcient quota of sugarcane is also 14.18 hrs. not available there. There is one Khandsari project and there are three other sugar fac- [SHRI JASWANT SINGH In the Chair] tories within a radium of 40 KM of the territory. ConSIdering all the above points, I [English] suggest dropping of this proposed sugar factory. The shares which have been sold till (Ii) Need to set up Committees in now may be transferred to the sugar facto- each Nehru Yuva Kendra for ries situated in Gujarat. proper functioning of these Kendras in the country I request the Central Government to look into the matter. DR. ASIM BAlA (Nabadwip): The scheme of Nehru Yuva Kendras was intro- (iv) Need to take steps for proper duced by the previous Government. It is our functioning of TV Transmitters experience that all the Yuva Kendras in the In Arunachal Pradesh country are not functIoning well and the funds allotted arA not being utilised properly. Sf:-iRI LEETA UMBREY (Arunachal East): Sir, up to the year 1989-90 12 very In this context, I would like to suggest to Low Power Transmitters and 3 Low Power the Minister of labour and Welfare to change Transmitters have been installed inthe State the present system of functioning and intro- of Arunachal Pradesh. Only 3lPTs of them duce some new system. I would also like to are functioning properly, and the remaining suggest to the Minister to form a local com- V.P.l.Ts are not regularly functioning. Sev- mittee in each Kendra with the following eral Relay Centres are not attended by the Memb~rs for smooth management of the technicians for several months. It has been Yuva Kendra immediately. gathered from the Doordarshan people that the V.l.P.T. engines being automatic, tech- One or two representatives from each nicians are not kept to attend on them for Youth Organisation in that area and one monitoring purpose. The unsatisfactory func- 543 Matters under APRil 25. 1990 Rule377 544
[Sh. Leeta·Umbrey] farmers and the labourers in these villages were rendered homeless. No relief has been tioning of V.L.P. Ts has caused great resent- provided to them so far. ment among the people. It is warranted that well-4rained personnel be posted at all the Therefore, I urge the Government to V.L.P.Ts for their smooth and regular func- give Rs. 1000 as compensation to each tioning. The present V.L.P.T. at Raing under victim of this fire. and labourers whose houses Roing Sub-Oivision of Arunachal Pradesh have been destroyed by fire should be pro- be converted into L.P.T. sothat population of vided adequate assistance to enable them more than 40.000 in Chapakhoa-Sadiya to reconstruct houses. Sub-Division of Assam, which is at a distance of 150 K.Ms from Dibrugarh Relay (vii) Need to provide finance for Station, is also benefited. the proposed medical and engineering colleges In [ Translation} Bareilly (Uttar Pradesh) In the forth-comlng plan (v) Need tor early completion of Darbhanga-Forbesganj lateral [ Translation] road SHRI SANTOSH KUMAR GANGWAR SHRI DEVENDRA PRASAD YADAV (Bareilly): Mr. Chairman, Sir. forthe pastfew (Jhanjharpur): The construction work of 135 years. a demand is being made for opening km. long latel'Sl road from Darbhanga to a Medical College and an engineering col- Forbesganj in North BIhar IS lying incom- lege at Bareilly. which is the main centre at plete. It has sanctioned by the Governmenl western Uttar Pradesh. Bareilly is the divi- in the plan forthe year'1988. This lateral road sional headquarters and earlier it was the will be an important road tor the natIOn be- headquarters of the Rohilkhand division. It is cause it is not essential only from traftic poInt the main wholesale market for the Kumaon of view in backward area adjoining Nepal but Garhwal region and being directly linked to it will also be an important road from security Shahjahanpur, Rampur. Pilibhit, Badaun, point of vIew. Nainital and other adjacent districts of western Uttar Pradesh. more than one crore Hence. keepIng Importance of this road people living in these districts are directly in view, I urge the Government to take steps connected with Bareilly. to complete the construction of this lateral road from Oarbhanga to Forbesganj at the Many years before the state Govern- earliest. ment also accepted the justification for opening a medical college and an engineering (vi) Need to pay compensation to college at Bareilly, but no positive step has the persons whose crops have been taken in this direction uplit now. It is an been damaged in fire In industrial area and, therefore, the establish- BhoJpur district In Bihar ment of an engineering college would encourage the existing and prospective entre- SHRI TEJ NARAIN SINGH (Buxar): preneurs. Incidents of devasting fire took place in village Madiyan. under P.S. Nava Nagar. vil- After completing their college educa- lages Nandan and Sonwan under police tion, the students of Bareilly area have run station Umrao. village Etari under P.S. Etari, from place to place for technical education. village Sareja under P.S. Rajpur and village There being no Medical College and engi- Oamodarpur under p..S. Sahapur in district neering college in Bareilly, many brilliant Bhojpur in Bihar as a result of which crops students are deprived of higher education. worth lakhs of rupees destroyed and the land would be easily available there for the 545 Dem for Grants VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Mm of 546 (Gen), 1990-91 Home AffaIrs establishment of a medICal college and an listen with great Interest to what you have to englneenng college The State Government say says that now It IS the turn of Bareilly for opening an engmeenng and medical college ( Interruptions) selected to the approval of the Union Gov- ernment I request the Central Government [ Trans/atton) to make provIsion for allocation of funds In the next plan for the setting up of a medical AN HON MEMBER Afterthls, will there college and anenglneenngcoliege In Bareilly he diSCUSSion on Water resources today keeprng In view the needs of thiS region Itself?
MR CHAIRMAN It Will follow today Itself
14.25 hrs. [EnglIsh]
(EnglIsh] SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKATA Mr Chairman I rise to participate In the Demand DEMANDS FOR GRANTS (GENERAL) for Grants for the Ministry of Home AffairS 1990-91 Sir the Home Ministry IS dealing with a large number of subjects and enumerallon of all Ministry of Home Affalrs-CONTO. these within a short spell of time Will not be possible for me Particularly, the law and MR CHAIRMAN We proceed with order srtuatlon the communal srtuatlon, further d,SCUSSion on the Demands for Grants atrocities on the HanJans, all these are very No 42 to 46 and 90 to 95 under the control Important aspects which now the country IS of the M'''1ISt r V of Home Af12lrs moved on faCing A lot has been said about Punjab, 19th Apr" 1990 I must caution the Members Kashmir and other areas (InterruptIons) that the time flOW left for thiS debate IS very limited Ana It has to be flnlshea before 4 O'elocy toca~ Thereafter the Minister WII The pOint IS, there were some areas In reply' the country where communalism was not known liKe the Andaman and Nlcobar Is Betore I call Shn ManoranJan Bhakta to lands and Lakshadweep Unfortunately, the speak, i must Inform him that the total time commJnal,sm has spread during thiS time, In available to hiS party now IS only 13 minutes thosE' areas also And we are very much There are any number of speakers tram hiS aggneved that due to certain wrong polices party who wish to participate If you were to pursued by the Ministry of Home Affairs e then curtatl your Intervention It will enable things are getting detenoratec In today s other Merrbers Trom your party aJso to par newspape y It has been reported that there tlclpate I recognise your difficulty But I am was police firing In the Androth Island In pOinting out the collective difficulty The tota' Lakshadweep Islands and two persons were time available noV\ IS i 3 minutes killed It IS for the first time In the history of Lakshadweep that two persons have been SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA (An- killed by police firing The Islands territory daman & Nlcobar Islands) I Will try to was always getting the patronage from the conftne rlyse f within the time limit But Sir, Central Government, the past Central Gov- I am the lone Member from the Union Terri- ernment was Keen for understanding their tory of Andaman and Nlcobar Islands I think, problems and then to resolVing them But the Chairman Will consider my request unfortunately, when thiS new Government has come, they have not show., any kind of MR CHAIRMAN Absolutely Wewould sympathy towards tha Islands terntory 547 Oem for Grants APRIL 25, 1990 Mm. of 548 (Gen). 1990-91 Home Affairs [Sh Manoran)an Bhakata] hood for Deihl and they are gOing to prOVide an Assembly for Deihl I request that at the I would like to pomt out that In recent time th.s Bill IS Introduced In the Lok Sabha times, dUring the past three or four months, they should also consider the Union Tern- there was acute shlppmg problem In the tory of Andaman and Nlcobar where the Islands Two ShiPS, the Harshvardhan and people are demandIng for a Legislature for a the Akbar, whICh were plYing between the long tIme AgitatIOns have taken place In the mainland and the Islands, were Withdrawn Island for thiS The popular view of the people by the Central Government for other pur- cannot be throttled and they should be proposes wrthout providing a substitute wrth the vltted with the Assembly I request the Gov- result, passengers In the mainland suffered ernment and the new MInister of State for without food and without shelter Even some Home AffaIrs who IS perhaps looking after persons died on transit because without Union Terrrtones to go through It personally food they had noboQy to care And In spite of and conSider at the time of introduction of the repeated requests to the Central Govern- Deihl Statehood Bill, the Islands of Andaman ment, there was no attempt to resolve thiS and Nlcobar also problem Today also we do not have these two vessels There were two chartered ves There was one HMAC - Home MIniS- sels dUring the regime of the past Govern- ter s AdVISOry Commlttee- whICh used to sort ment It had only sitting arrangement One out problems In the Island whenever some cannot sleep for four days they had to come problems were arising But unfortunately for sitting from the Island to the maInland They the last so many months there was no meetmg were undertaking thiS kind of Journey But of thiS Committee Durmg November one the Unton Minister of Home Affairs has no meeting was fixed, but because of the dec- tIme to meet the MPs he has no time even laratIon of electIons that meeting could not to reply to the letters that MPs are sending be held Thereafter I wrote a letter to the him ThiS IS the sad state of affairs Home MinIster to convene a meeting Imme- dIately because a lot of burning problems of One thing to which I would like to draw the Islands are pending But no action has your attention IS that there are Union Tern been taken and no reply came from hIS Inthls tory Administrations under Article 240 of the regard Constitution The PreSIdent IS to provide a good government In these areas by appoint- Ing administrators These administrators are DUring the regime of the past Govern- enjoying all the powers They are all In all In ment there was an Island Development these Island territories The Unron Terrrtory AuthoTlty The PTlme MInister used to be Its administration does not have one set of Chairman There were ten Mlntsters who systems, there are three or four sets of uc:;ed to be rts Members One member of the systems prevailing In the country One IS the Planning Commission was also ItS Member Union Territory With a Legl<3lature like Pond! who used to be the Chairman of the Steenng cherry, another IS the Union Territory v.lth Committee Prof M G K Menon who IS SIt Metropolitan Council like Deihl, the third IS tlng here now was the Chairman of that the Unton Terrrtory wrth a Pradesh Council steering Commrttee He knows It well He IS and there are other Unton Terntorles which the one who fought many battles for us With are h~vtng only AdVisory Committees As a various Mlntstrles to prOVide rehef to the prrnclple the Government should deCide to Islanders But unfortunately after the new have one set of systems and there should Government came thiS Island Development not be different sets of systems for the Union 4,uthortty has been scrapped and the prob- TerrltoTles adminIstration lems which used to be discussed and sorted out through thiS avenue was dented to the I heve seen In the newspapers that the people of the Andaman and NlCObar Island Government has deCided to proVided state- You can Imagine our plight 549 Oem. for Grants VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Min. of 550 (Gen.), 1990-91 Home Affairs Tl')ere used not be eleven flights in a the Naval officers was killed and another week to Port Blair and after the new Govern- officer was seriously injured. He was taken ment came to power this has been rpduced to Port Blair hospital for treatment. to seven. There used to be one helicopter which would provide inter-island service- Sir, after the school examinations are from one island to another, by which even over, there will be vacation. Every year, most the patients would go to the hospitals for of the Government employees, during vaca- treatment are civilians would go on urgent tion, used to come to the main-land. They work. After the new Government has come are now facing great difficulties because to power, without even informing the Union there is no shipping arrangement available Territory Administration, the helicopter was and they cannot come to the main-land. The withdrawn from service. Now the people are administration has changed the period of asking as to what the reasons are; why is the vacation also. That is, instead of from 1st Central Government doing so: IS it a political May. it is now, from 15th June. That means, vendetta that in the Island territory the Con- for 1 112 months, the education will be gress had won the elections: IS It because of hampered, because books and other things this the new Government is taking revenge will not be ready. The students will go to and wants to teach a lesson to the people of schools, but there will be no classes and so the island? These questions are being asked. no studies. And ultirr.ately when it will be When the Home Minister replies, I would like available, there will be vacation. Sir, in the to know from him categorically as to what he past, whenever there was no shipping space is doing when the essential commodities are available and whenever there was no ship- not available. Kerosene oil is not available, ping services available, th e Government used potato is being sold a1 Rs. 10 a kg, onion is totaketheGovernmentservants, who wanted being sold at Rs. 10 a kg and salt is being to go on leave during vacation, by air, free of sold at Rs. 5 a kg, because of the shipping cost, which used to be borne by the Depart- problem and other such problems, but, for ment. So, I suggestthatthe samething should Delhi, no poSitive response is being received. be done this year also.
When the re was u nprecede nted cyclone Sir, I would like to draw your kind atten- and flood in the island. the relief amount was tion that in Andaman and Nicobar Islands, disbursed to half of the victims and it could there was one Finance and Development not be disbursed to the other half because Corporation. This corporation was meant to the election was declared. We all agreed at provide employment to the unemployed the time of elections that no disbursement youth. But what has happened? Now, we will be made till the election is over. But. after find that the Andaman and Nicobar Finance the electIon, when the new Government has and Development Corporation has engaged come, they have not paid the relief amount to itself in selling liquor and petrol instead of ha!f01thevictlms. Wheneverthlswas asked, bo1hering about total economic development the administration said that they were asking and generating more employment in the the Government of India as to whether that Islands forthe unemployed youth. When this should be given or not. Corporation was constituted, it has a mean- ingful purpose. That purpose was to have Sir, anpther senous incident has hap- more fishing in the Islands, to generate more pened there. That is, in one island. the Navy employment opportunities and to see what and Army-both the groups-clashed between other types of industries could be set up themselves. killing one Naval officer. This there. Instead of doing anything in that direc- has happened in one of the islaJ:lds of An- tion, it is now selling liquor and running a daman and Nicobar Islands, north of An- petrol pump. In that manner, it cannot fulfil daman. (fnrerruptions) Whatever may be the the aspirations of the islanders. joint command. the incident took place in which the Army group fired at them. One of I would like to request the Home Minis- 551 Oem. for Grants APRil 25, 1990 Min. of 552 (Gen.), 1990-91 Home Affairs [Sh. Manoranjan Bhakata) Gul phenke hain auron ki tarat aur samar bhi ter to immediately convene a meeting of the Khamabar Andaz-e-chaman. kuchh Advisory Committee for Andaman and Nico- idhar bhi. bar Islands under the' Home Ministry so that all the pending matters, which are agitating J will try to speak as much as possible in our minds for a long time. could be discussed as little time as possible. First of all, I would and sorted out. Secondly, shipping and like to say that while finding solutions for all communication tacilites are urgently required the problems. that have cropped up in this there. I request the Home Minister to discuss country from time to time, the main consid- this issue immediately with his colleague in eration has been that one family should hold the Ministry of Surface Transport so that the the reins of power. It has never been consid- ships, which have been held up for other ered from the national angle. The need of the purposes, could be released and problems hour is to consider these problems from the solved. I also request you to provide more national angle. As Iqbal had said -"Jo Nakshe cargo ships for sending the essential com- kuhan, tomko nazar aye mitaa do", Talkes modities to the Island and for carrying other used to be held with these people in the merchandise. states, who were loyal to a particular family. They never explored the possibil~ies of hold- Lastly, I request the Home Minister to ing talks with those people or the party which consider giving Legislative Assembl~1 to the has the support of the people of that state or Andaman and Nicobar Islands simultane- area. So far, no effort has been made in this ously while introducing the Bill for giving the direction. Now it is necessary to look at this Assembly to Delh\. problem from the national angle. As far as Punjab is concerned, central government I am thankful to YOLI for having given me must have observed and heard that all the the opportunity. leader in Punjab today, especially all the parties representing Sikhs have said that centre should hold talks With the so-called terrorists to solve the Punjab problem. It is SHR! KIRPAL SINGH (Amntsar): Mr. always said here that talks would be held Chairmaf1, Sir, I am thankful to you for giving with only those who surrender their arms and me an opportunity to speak 01"1 the demands come into the national mainstream. The for Grants of the Ministry of Home Affairs terrorists will neither surrender their arms, Punjab and Kashml" are after mentioned nor come to the national mainstream. There during the diSCUSSion that have been taking is nc use of talking to others. It has been tied place in thiS House In my opinion. and tested everywhere and talks were held with the people who did not matter. Such MR. CHAIRMAN: Is It necessary to tell talks were held in several states of the coun- you about the time limit? How much time will try. Since the inception of problems in Punjab, you take? be it the movement on the language issue, or be it the movement of the scheduled caste SHRI KIRPAL SINGH: I would like to sikhs demanding the privileges to which they speak for half-an-hour. were no entitled when they were Hindus, be it the movement for regional formula or for MR. CHAIRMAN: No, please conclude the Punjabi language or the movement for a your speech in :en minutes. Punjabi Suba (State), it has been observed that the yarddsticks and norms applicable to such problems elsewhere in the country SHr:: nRPA:' Sl~~GH: Mr. Chairman, were never applicable to Punjab. The yard- 'Jir, I r.,::.,:. ::'';c - 'N&.t,~; ~or so lorg, I have sticks used to change when it came to its been s!ttir.] here for t~e past 3-4 days. application beyond Ambala (In Punjab). Here, 553 Oem. for Grants VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKAt Min. of 554 (Gen.), 1990-91 Home Affairs a line was drawn. Re-orgariisation of states false case. The previous Government had a on the basis of language was accepted except different attitude had the opportunity to in the case of Punjab. All such experiences listen to the speeches on the communal have forced them to take to guns. These situation. I was finding it quite strange. The people have a record of non-violence be- Mahabharata and the Gila were being hind them, which they provided while pursu- mentioned here and found that ing the struggle for the country's independ- Duryoyodhana was not present in the House ence and for which they got certificates of but Shakuni and Dushashan WE)re talking appreciation, which nobody has received so too much. There is a phrase "Devil quoting far, from the great men like Mahatma Gandhi the Scriptures." I saw them quoting the scrip- and Madan Mohan Malviya. Now when tures. The present flourish in Punjab is noth- everyone is saying that talks should be held ing, but an extension of the communal with these people, then there should be no flare-ups that erupted in Meerut, Ahme- hesitation, especially for the Government, dabad and in Delhi, Bokaro or Kanpur in which is headed by Shri V.P. Singh. He has 1984. The present Government should adopt come to the fore as a hope, as he has a different attitude towards this. What I mean pledged to keep alive the spirit of democracy to say is that it should hold talks with those by way of thinking and working in a demo- who enjoy popular support of the masses. I cratic manner. People have reposed confi- do not know as to when the"Se talks are going dence in him. Such a thing is happening after to be held. So far, discussion on rehabilita- a long time. Therefore. I feel that this spirit tion only has taken place. I had met the should be reflected In the policies and pro- Prime Minister a few d~ys ago. I had talks grammes. with him and I presented a memorandum to him sayingthatthe F.I.R. of the victims of the During the tenure of the prevIous Gov- November, 1984 riots massacre engineered ernment, a case was framed, in which i1 was by the Government or the·then ruling party. said that Shrl Simranjeet Singh Mann and has not been registered. They were asked to Shri Atinder Pal Singh were Involved in a write an' application on a plain paper, which conspiracy to assassinate Shrlmati Indira was stamped at the Police station and re- Gandhi that Government withdraw the case, turned to them and ·Iater on the Police de- at the time of leaving office. On an earlier stroyed all the records. Now that the Govern- occasion also. I had mentioned the grounds ment has constituted special courts for the on which the case was framed and the basis purpose by how will they function, in the on which the case was withdrawn. The Pnme absence of the necessary evidence? We Minister orthe Home Minister should reply to requested the Prime Minister to see to it that this point. Today, I want to say that Shrr the F.I.R. is registered on the basis of the Atinder Pal Singh, who requested the court stamped paper which ,the victims received to give him permission to take an oath oi irom the police stations. because there is no allegiance to the constitution of India Court. question of delay in criminal law. The Prime The matter of anxiety is that he wanted to Minister gave a patient hearing to whatever take an oath of allegiance to the constitution we said regarding this, but a decision in this of India. It would not be right it the present regard is yet to be taken. Yesterday, one of Government also adopts the same attitude our friends Shri Kalp 'Nath Rai said that Shri with regard to his taking the oa.th of alie- Vishwanath Pratap Singh did not visit the giance to the constitution of India. A person Samadhi of Mahatma Gandhi, when to took has to bring orders from the Supreme Court over the office of the Prime Minister, instead, permitting him to take an oath at allegiance hewentto some other place. Now, where did to the constitution of India. He would be he go? He had gone to Amritsar. I took it ill, allowed to take an oath, only after he gets because that temple is 400 years old and its orders from the court. It is something very sanctity is recognised throughout the world. strange. Why is he in jail till today? This case You consider the people, among whom the was framed up earlier, there was some other Prime Minister Sat, as inferior and Sched- 555 Dem. for Grants APRIL25,199O Min. of 556 (Gen.), 1990-91 Home Affairs [Sh. Klrpal Singh] or constructing mosques but one thing IS clear that- uled castes, although everyone partakes food at 'Iangars' organised by them "MasJld to bana lee shabghar meln Iman kl hararat walon ne, SHRI JAG PAL SINGH (Hardwar). Our man apna purana paapl tha par barson reference was not to Amrrtsar but to Imam meln namazl ban na saka-. Bukhan.
[ TranslatIOn] ThiS IS a fight for a temple and a mosque at the time of partitIOn It was agreed that SHRI KIRPAL SINGH· I am onli saying people would remain where they were. Is what I have heard wrth my own ears I have thiS right or wrong? I can never condone the Just started relating the late of woe They do actions of Invaders like Babarwho destroyed not want their deeds to be made public It IS temples So Will It be proper to destroy now that people are coming to know of their mosques now? But one thing I want to mls-deeds Just now the Issue of Shn Ram emphaSize IS that the memones of Novem- Nath Goenka came up He had been a ber are stili fresh Today we see refugees freedom fighter and had worked with Ma- from Kashmar Article 370 was needed to hatma Gandhi Bemg a capitalist, If he had preserve the culture and identity of Kashmlrls toed the hne of the prevIOus Government Can there be any agreement after that? then no allegations would have been lev- When Sheikh Abdullah expressed hiS diS- elled against him HIS fault IS that he did not pleasure about certain things he was Jailed support the deeds of the prevIOus Govern- for 20 years Once I also vIsited Kashmir. At ment We are quite satisfied With the way In that time Farooq Abdullah had returned from whICh the han Finance MInister has given 'Hal' and the newspapers had reported tl1at \he answer No cases were registered against he was leaVing towards Pakistan Soon after him The former Prrme Minister has changed these reports appeared people witnessed hiS stand a number of times with regard to two handsome young men embraCing each the Bofors deal dalmlng that no member of other One was the former Prime Mlntster hIS family had anything to do With It But now Shrr RaJlv Gandhi and the other was Farooq everything IS being exposed Had Shn Ram Abdullah ShTi Barnala IS called a symbol of Nath Goenka JOined the band of thieves, national integration but soon after that he these things would not have come to light becomes a traltlon Shn RaJlv Gandhi signed We, the people of Punjab know how much of an accord with Sant Longowal but there are suffering we have gone through and who IS people who say one thing and do something responsible for It The temple of Amntsar else Who are these people An Accord that belongs Guru Ram Das and Guru Nanak to was Signed With wrong intentions has re- who gave message of peace to the world sulted In the present sltuatton In Punjab why When Guru Nanak died both Hindus and has the Accord failed? If such steps have not Muslims fought over hiS Chaddar but when been successful then Shn V P Singh should the 'Chaddar was removed hiS body was not not meet Sikh leaders now He should do there The Chaddar was taken to the Kar whatever he deems fit for the welfare of tarpur Gurudwara In Pakistan where half of Punjab They tned to diVide Sikhs As far as It was burnt whIle the other half was bUried It the attack on Darbar Sahib IS concerned, there IS any other I'lxample of Saint, prophet everyone knows that the Congress (I) be- or incarnation today we Will worship him We friended Jarnall Singh and helped him while shall pay our respects before hiS shrrne for seeking hiS help then we read about a ve- setting an example before mankind Hen hicle laden with arms that had come from Shn Vishwanath Pratap Singh went to thiS Bombay and was apprehended In Haryana. temple to pay obelsarce I want to say one AIl I P S. and an I A.S. offICer escorted them thing that we may talk of Ram Janan-bhooml there Who were these people? When It was 557 Oem. for Grants VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Min. of 558 (Gen.), 1990-91 Home Affairs known that a truck laden with arms was on its pendent. People who belong to a party carry way, the wit.of the then Punjab Police Chief. the status of their party with them. Independ- who is • Member _re said that permission ents, who defeat candidates of other parties had not been granted from higher-ups in in the electrons. also have their own status. Delhi to .earch the truck. Can shots fired be at the Oarbar Sahib and Akal Takht provide MR. CHAIRMAN: You are wasting your a healing touch for the Sikh community? time. Instead of taking steps to restore: normalcy in the State, what is being done by the Govern- SHRI KIRPAl SINGH: H is not so. In menttoday? let Shri Atinder Pal Singh come every speech a few minutes of extra time is to this House and relate what the police have inevitable because some related points also made him say. Who are those people? How crop up. As far as communal disturbances important it is for national integrity? How are concerned. a discussion was held in the Important it IS for this House and for the House yesterday in which some of my hon. solving of problems affecting the Sikhs? It Colleagues began to list the number of good has been laid down that such persons should steps taken by them. Some people were not be allowed to enter the House. Han. Shri relating incidents, some were behaving like V.P.Singh should not let such thIngs hap- Dushashan , Shakuni and religious leaders. pen. The Government should immediately But they have not kept an account of the release him and let hIm come to the House. number of atrocities committed. All that has let him express his vIews and relate his happened in Bhiwani, Moradabad. Kanpur. experiences. After that it will be difficult to Meerut, Bokaro and Bhagalpur is the handi- measure the amount of suffenngs he has work of the previous Government. It is diffi- gone through. Even today the people who cult to say how much time this Government were uprooted in the riots of November 1984 will need to resolve this crises. I want to repeatedly go to the hon. Pnme Minister and emphasize that the sooner we hold elections the han. Home Minister with theIr applica- in Punjab and to the Shiromani Gurudwara tions. I don't want to go Into the details but I Prabandhak Committee, thebetterwould be request the Government to do something for the chances of solving this problem. We them at the earliest to enable them to lead a should not bother as to who represents normal life again. As far as the present Punjab. It was alleged that there was rigging Government IS concerned they have a clear in the polling in Punjab. May I know whether intention of solVing thIS problem. I request all hon. Smt. Bhinder, han. Shri Kamal Chaudhry my hon. Colleagues here to co-operate In and even hon. Shri Gujral won their elections this matter. A dIalogue should be held with in the same manner? This is just like the the terrorists In order to brrng them into the proverb which says 'Khisiyani billi Khamba maInstream After that elections should be noche'. Those who have been defeated held in the State. It would have been better should accept that fact gracefully. If elections had been held there earlier but even if these are held now It IS also good. I would like to submit that the peaceful and free atmosphere during the last general MR. CHAIRMAN: You have taken more elections in Punjab is a dear indication that than 10 minutes. the State is all set for immediate Assembly electIons 50 that genuine representatives of SHRI KIRPAL SINGH: Sir, I am not people may get elected. They should sit speaking anything which is irrelevant. together to solve the problems of Punjab. Besides, there are other economic problems MR. CHAIRMAN: Please conclude also which have their direct bearing on qUickly. Punjab. The recent increase in the price of diesel has severely affected the farmers of SHRI KIRPAl SINGH: We have al- Punjab. If we cannot do anything else for ready been given a certificate of belf1g inde- them, we can make atleast such arrange- 559 Oem. for Grants APRIL 25, 1990 Min. of 560 (Gen), 1990-91 Home Affairs ISh Klrpal Smgh] that wrth the converSion, they do not become rich over-night So they should be allowed all ments that the farmers are not charged the such faCilities as are being given by the Increased price of diesel for rts use In tractors Government Similarly, the Issue of Kashmm and water pumps If the Government cannot migrants also Steps should be taken for waive the entire price Increase, It should give their rehabllrtatlOn at the eai'hest them some rehef Secondly, the entire country, including Punjab IS facing a lot of trouble MR CHAIRMAN Klrpal Singh J1, you on account of sales tax On some Items, the have already taken 20 to 22 minutes Now, sales tax IS levied at source while n some please conclude others, It IS charged at the entry pomts For example, there are only two entry pomts of tImber In Punjab One barrier IS at Shambhu SH81 KIRPAl SINGH Mr Chairman. andtheotherone IS at Lakhanpur Itthe entry Sir, I am concluding For the purpose of tax IS levied on both the places It Will not only techmcal education to the people Job on- add to the revenue earnings of the Govern- entea colleges technical schools and col- ment but also mitIgate the dlf1lcultles 01 the leges should be opened In Punjab Earher, people Thirdly only two things have their there used to be three mam occupations In adverse affect on the small scale Industnes Punjab I e army, ventures abroad and agn- of Punjab First things IS the distribution 01 culture As regards agriculture the entire coal and the second IS the dlstnbutlon of Iron agricultural land In the State has haen re- to thiS State Some persons with their vested claimed So far as recrUitment to the armed Interests have started mterferlng In It and forces trom thiS State IS concerned, It has some formula has been e\«Otved That IS also been curtailed as a matter 01 policy by altogether a different thing So I Will not go the Government So I would hke to request Irto Its details as the time does not permit the Government to restore the status of me Punjab In the armed forces as It used to be at the time of partition In those days days when these people used to fight on the Mr Chairman, Sir, I would like to submit border, the women of Punjab used to supply that there should a proper distribution of "on ratIOn tothem bygolng upto Parkl and Dugral and coal, and these things should be made I myself had gone there Dr Baldev Prakash avallabletothe users Secondly, I would also and others had also gone there with me I lIke to submrt that Amrltsar IS the nerve WOUld, therefore, like to submit to the Gov- centre of Punjab, but since the da)'s of ernment that It should try to win the hearts of 'Operation Blue-Star It IS In a shattered the people of Punjab Today, on the other conditIOn The work of rts reconstruction IS Side of the border, Pakistan IS girding up Its not being taken up with the required expedl lOins to wage a war on us and we cannot Win ency Its shape has been deformed and It that battle without Wlnntng the hearts of the stands In the state of rUins I would. there people of Punjab Hence, try to solve the fore. request the Government to take up the problem of Punjab, have faith In the people work of reconstruction of thiS city and pro- ahd restore their earlier status In the armed vide the facility of an International airport In forces They should be prOVIded necessary thiS city faCilities to sustain themselves
Mr ChaIrman, Sir, With these words, I Thirdly. I would like to submit about the conclude and thank you for giVing me time Scheduled castes and Scheduled Tnbes As per the eXisting prOVISions, all such facili- MR CHAIRMAN Mr Klrpal Singh, ties as are admissible to them by the Gov- thank you very much ernment are at once stopped with their converSion However It IS my submiSSion 561 Dem. for Grants VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Min. of 562 (G9n.), 199CJ..91 HoITJ9 Affairs [English) MR. CHAIRMAN: He has already sp0- ken. JAR. CHA'RM,~N: Before I call the next speaker, I must settle this issue, of how far SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM (Sa- this debate is to go. I have been informed lem): As of yesterday, 1 hr. 26 minutes, as that it must conclude before 4 o'clock; and per the original time for the debate on the that conclusion is inclusive of the reply of the Grants for the Ministry of Home Affairs was Union Home Minister. I would wish to ascer- left; and I understand that at 2.26 p.m. today tain the sense of the House as to whether it was taken up. this debate is to be concluded by 4 o'clock, or it is to proceed further. Even without extending the time for this debate, there is sufficient time left to accom- \ have a\so been in10rmed by the Chiei modate all the members. \t is impossi~e lor' Wh\p 01 the Congress party that tn,s matter us-n one wants to do \ustlce \0 \ne subiect was re1erred to the han. Speaker, and that and the deba\~to comp\ete \t by 40'c\od(. the Hon. Speaker had said-this is what he We had requested that the time for this has written to me: debate be extended because there were many issues which had not been covered so "He agreed for an extension of time for far and many members wanted to participate the Ministry of Home Affairs." in this debate. After all. it is a very important matter; that is why we had represented to the This is what has been sent to me by the Speaker to extend the time for this debate. I Chief Whip of the Congress party. think, it would be extremely unfair if you do not extend the time for this debate, espe- Before I take the sense of the House Cially when there are so many problems that the Minister of Parliamentary Affairs ma~ we are seeing on a day-to-day basis. I give his views. would request that we must consume one hour and 26 minutes that are left. It means at THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION 4 O'clock, we will start the discussion under AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF Rule 193. PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P. MR. CHAIRMAN: One hour and 26 UPENDRA)~ In fact. the vote should have been taken yesterday; we had extended it to minutes-it is inclusive of the han. Home today, because some other item had to be Minister's reply. I had announced, before the accommodated yesterday . Tomorrow we discussion started, that each of the parties have the Private Members Business. As you had virtually consumed all the time available know, it falls during the week-end. Friday is to them. Permission to speak was granted to a holiday. But the vote has to be taken today a member from the Union Territory of An- by 4 o'clock, because discussion under rule daman & Nicobar Islands; he did take more 193 will start at 4 o'clock. and the time than the time allotted to him. Most of the allotted also has been consumed-with the parties have had their say. I recognise the han. Minister's reply, it will be over. So, I difficulty of the Government. They wish to suggest that we finish this today, and take have a voting on the Demands for Grants at the vote. a certain time. I cannot dictate to the House to do it at a particular point of time. h is for the THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS collective good sense of the House to decide (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): What how to proceed in this matter. the han. Speaker told me yesterday in his SHRI SONTOSH MOHANDEV chamber was that one Member from (Tripura Congress(l), from Andaman and Nicobar West): Upto 4 O'clock, you continue this Islands wanted to speak. About the rest, they discussion. Afterthat, let the Minister reply to the debate. After that, you can take up dis- had agreed. 563 Oem. for Grants APRIL 25, 1990 Min. of 564 (Gen.), 1990-91 Home Affairs [Sh. Sontosh Mohan Dev] to the Home Ministry. The House should show that much concern to them also. If you cussion under Rule 193. give your consent. then the han. Horne Minister, while replying to the debate on the MR. CHAIRMAN: I follow the point. Demands for Grants relating to the Home Please let me put it before the Government. Ministry, will also cover all the points raised Please sit down. You are listed here to on the communal situation by the hon. speak. I am mindful of the concern of all members yesterday. Is this the sense of the those hon. members who have not spoken House? and do wish to contribute to the debate. The Government would be well advised to con- SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS: Yes. sider this point as a via m8ciia MR. CHAIRMAN: Now I call upon Mr. SHRI P. UPENDRA: At 4 O'clock, the T.B. Topdar to start. han. Home Minister cxan reply to the debate. SHRI TARIT BARAN TOPDAR (Bar- MR. CHAIRMAN: We will continue this rackpore): I have gone through the budget discussion upto 4 O·clock. Then the han. papers as well as the annual report placed Home Minister will reply to the debate. After by the Government on the Demands for that. the Demands for Grants of the Ministry Grants for the Home Departm ent. It appears of Home Affairs will be put to the vote of the apparently a simple continuation ofthe budget House. Then we will take up discussion of the erstwhile Government. And what I find under Rule 193. Is it the sense of the House? is the previous Government did take up some of the modernisation programmes SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS: Yes. activated in some of the departmental activities. Nowhere in the connotation and in the MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Shri T.B. scheme of the budget is found an indication Topdar. that the present Government is going to dismantle the authoritarian practice which SHRI P. UPENDRA: Yesterday, the they have developed along with the scheme han. Home Minister could not reply to the of modernisation. With the definite aim of debate on the communal situation. Would establishing an authoritarian system, an the House like him to cover those points also authoritarian style of functioning of the de- while replying to the debate on the Demands partment started. That is not found in the for Grants relating to the Home Ministry? Annual Report. It is not even as an indication This is all related; there is nothing separate. of what the han. Prime Minister has declared yesterday in Madhya Pradesh namely that SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV: .When the Government is going to set up an Indian he replies to the debate on the Demands for Rifles Association. It was not also found as a Grants relating to the Home Ministry. It him slight indication in the connotations even. concentrate also on the communal situation. That will be better. What I actually find is-from the notes and other things it is evident that the style so MR. CHAIRMAN: That is a valid point. far indicated by the erstwhile Government is Please try and work out a via media. Yester- going to continue. day, we had a discussion on the communal situation under Rule 193. We have found a few of the new things done by this Government like the repealing The discussion under 193 today is a of the 59th Amendment of the Constitution. kind of extension of the Union Home Minis- some speeches delivered by the Prime try's discussion. It has been a fullfledged Minister assuring democracy and democratic debate on the Demands for Grants relating institutions to be revived and formed and a 565 Dem. for Grants VAISAKHA 5. 1912 (SAKA) Min. of 566 (Gen.). 1990-91 Home Affairs Constitution Amendment which guarantees divide and rule policy. And yet, the sense of the right to work as the fundamental right of the unity of the Indian people, the urge of the a citizen in our Constitution. unity of the Indian people that has been manifested in the form of patriotism could not It has also been indicated from the be destroyed. That is why we are still fighting speeches of the Prime Minister that it is an against all such odds in order to have united open Government. These are a few indica- India. tions only in speeches, and some of the constitutional amendments which have been MR. CHAIRMAN: Please condude in passed so far. one minute.
15.19 hrs. SHRI TARIT BARAN TOPDAR: Our founding fathers of the Constitution visual- [SHRI VAKKOM PURUSHOTIHAMAN in ised a federal States because of the the chair] multi-national and multi-lingual status of our country bringing about an equilibrium The other things which we have found in position of the centrifugal forces that are the papers are only a simple continuatior. of bound to act in such a State. Banking on the budget of the erstwhile Government. these delicacies, the British rulers as well as the Congress rulers subsequently imparted The Home Department concerns al- serious stress and strain on this equilibrium. most all the departments. It holds the card of That has created a position now in our coun- the coordination of all the departments. It try, by which serious are being done to the acts just like a seismograph; a slight tremor unity and integrity of India. in any part of the country or society at large will be recorded by this Department. Simply by stepping from this side to tnat side does not absolve the erstwhile ruling At the same time It Will be able to take a party of their responsibilities to this situation. step according to the need of the situation. The basic reason for this, I understand, is Of course that step IS directed towards a that a platform of movement was forcibly goal. which is not independent of any class formed into a pomical party to rule over understanding or any class outlook. There- independent India through a dynastic and an fore, activities of thiS Department of the authoritarian rule. That was the paradoxal Government very well characterise the na- symptom and element from which they could ture of the Government itself. We must not come out and that is why we have seen appreciate that ours is a country having that the Congress Party, having a Hindu bias mult~lingual and multi-national stature and atthe surface, harboured all sorts of commu- we have been practising the unity of agreatar nalism at the bottom, and that is seen nowa- India from antiquity. This is not a new thing days also. In times of elections, we have which we have to learn from outside. Differ- seen that where Muslim candidates are set ent anthropological races, anthropologically up, Mullahs were accumulated and where and anthologically different, Arians, Hindu candidates were set up, they used to Non-Arians and Mangolians, all of them, take the blessings from Ayodhya and carry despite conflicts and contradictions of the out the election campaign. I understand rulers of the then period, despite such differ- communal parties, even the handless spoon ences, remained one and practised so long that is with the Congress Party and cherished the tra~ition of the unity of a nOw .... (Interruptions) greater India, which is really found in no part of the world. Just like the rulers of the past, MR. CHAIRMAN: Please conclude two hundred years of British rule and forty now ... years of Congress rule, these rulers also brought into practice a serious and a sinister ( Interruptions) 567 Oem. for Grants APRIL 25, 1990 Min. of 568 (Gen.). 1990-91 Home Affairs MR. CHAIRMAN: Your time is already details. In 1989, there were 11760 cases of over long ago. There are many more Mem- atrocities on Harijans, and all these cases bers to speak. We have already taken a were cases of murder. Moreover, the law decision that we have to conclude the dis- enacted to check such incidents i.e. the cussIOn by four o'clock. Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes Act, 1989, has not been enforced as yet. SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATTERJEE: During this period, though the Han. Prime Sir, as tar as we know, other parties also Minister went to Punjab to meet the people in have crossed their time. So, since it is his an open jeep, yet the situation in that state maiden speech give him some more time. has not changed. In December, 1989 itself 93 persons and 28 police personnel had MR. CHAIRMAN: We have to conclude been killed by the terrorists. In January, the discussion by four o'dock. If one person 1990, their figure was 103 persons and 23 takes such a long time. how many persons policemen and in February, 1990, 74 per- can we accommodate? I request your coop- sons and 21 policemen had been killed by eration. Please cooperate and please res- the terrorists. I would like to submitthat there ume your seat. has been a constant increase in the number of cases of atrocities on Harijans. Since the SHRI TAR IT BARAN TOPDAR: All right. present incumbent held the charge as the Sir, I stop discussing all these points. At the Home Minister, the people were expecting end, I would like to raise only one point that that under his regime, the scheduled castes, the State must be taken Into confidence. A minorities and women have become safe. Union is an indestructible Union within the But now it appears that this Government is indestructible State. This should be borne in totally incapable of doing anything in this mind. That is why we have demanded abro- regard. About harijans, it is being said that gation of the policy of wage equalisation and the Government is enacting a legislation to that the State should be given 'more and bring land reform laws under the 9th Sched- more rights. ule and they also propose to take steps to bring down the prices. Whenever the poor MR. CHAIRMAN: Shri K.D. Sultanpuri. goes to take the supply of ration and oil, a quarrel ensues. In fact, the rich. the capital- SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATTERJEE: ists exploit these people and don't let these Let him wind up. Sir. poor take the supply of their ration and exploit them. In a way, this Government is MR. CHAIRMAN: I have given him deaf and inactive. Those very Ministers enough time. whose confidence he enjoys, have been levelling allegations against him. After a period of 20-25 days, they say that they [ Translation] haven't said a word against Muftiji. When- ever they go to Kashmir, they say that the SHRI K.D. SUL TANPURI (Shimla): Mr. Kashmiri extrem ists are outsiders. Don't you Chairman. Sir, I would like to thank you for know the condition of hill people and that of giving me time to express my views. India. Haven't you been a Minister during the Congress regime also? The Minister for Kashmir Affairs was also from the minority Firstly, I would ~ke to submit about our community. Even you, who belong to the han. Home Minister that he has been made majority community inhabiting that State, a scapegoat by the present Government. are not allowed by this Government to go There is no Government worth the name there. It dearly shows that this Government because under this regime there has been a is not working properly. Muftiji, you should lot of atrOCities on th9 people belonging to make efforts to take effective steps. The Scheduled Castes. I would give you the position you are holding today, was once 569 Dem. for Grants VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Min. of 570 (Gen.), 1990-91 Home Affairs occupied by Sardar Patel who united the cases pertaining to the members of SC and country and led the country, but today what ST pending in the law courts should be we see is that there is nothing of that sort. decided at the earliest, so that it may have Nothing fair is happening. On one side, the the way of their progress. poor are being exploited and there is nobody to sympathise with them. Harijans are being I want to say that efforts should be made burnt alive and no action is taken against the to hand overthe possession ofthe land to the offenders. I would like to tell you that even poor which was allotted to them by Indiraji people belonging to the SCs and STs in and those found guilty of committing atroci- Government service are also not meted out ties on them should be punished so that such good behaviour. U'"!der the provisions of the atrocities are not committed on them in fu- Constitution, they have been given the guar- ture. antee of employment but to this day, the backlog that IS persisting In that regard In the The time is very limited. Generally, public sector undertakings, railways or po- people belonging to Scheduled Castes are lice department, has not been cleared They allowed to express their views in the end are denied their rights on the plea that they when very little time IS left. I wan to request are not capable. Justice IS not being done to you to respect the sentiments of the poor the people of scheduled castes who ari::! In people and do something appropriate for seMce under the Government, whether he them. Then only thiS Government can func- IS a bank employee or a class four employee. tion. I thought that sllice you have become the Home Minister, you Will certainly try to do SHRIMATIJAYAWANTINAVINCHAN- justice to these people. But you are helpless. ORA MEHTA (Bombay North East): Mr. The BJP IS not allOWing you to function Speaker, Sir, the Ministry of Home Affairs is, Independently and same IS the case with no doubt, an Important department which is others also Anand-marglS are also giVing responsible for the security of the people of threats, but the Government has not made the country. But in the last forty years, the any arrangements to cheCk them. They are Situation has never been deteriorated to operating In the entire country, and our such an extent. The extremists and the Government IS watching helplessly. I would destructive forces have raised their ugly like to submit that t~e backlog of the re- heads and the law and order machinery has served categories of posts should be cleared failed at all levels. When this is the situation by filling up these posts With the people I would urge the new Government to make belonging to these communities. The quota earnest attempt to gain confidence of the meant for the reserved categones should be people and convince the masses that Gov- filled up. ernment can provide them adequate protection. The Government should take steps in f would like to submit that the people thiS regard. belonging to backward areas such as Ka- shmir, Himachal Pradesh, Garhwal and The Police Department of our country is Nagaland, are not recruited in the police known to be the protector of the people. But services. Only those who have the recom- these protectors have become devourers of mendations of influential personalities are the people and they are at present instru- recruited in the police. I would like to say that mental in robbing the people at various places the Government should take more steps to In different ways. This is my allegation. You take care of the interests of the people from are aware of the bomb blast which took place hilly areas. In the hanJan and predominantly 2-3 days back in Delhi Wherein a police muslim areas, where more atrocities are officer was apprehended. In a bid to succeed committed on them, orily such persons should iri spreading terrorism in Delhi, the police be appointed on the key-posts. who can official committed all these acts. First of all protect them against the atrocities. Also the the Home Ministar should remove such 571 Dem for Grants APRIL 25, 1990 Mm of 572 (Gen). 1990-91 Home AffairS [Shrrmatl Jayawantl Navtnchandra Mehta] offers to take steps to close down the gam- bling dens, liquor bars and Matkas etc he IS people belonging to this category from serv- threatned and an atmosphere of terror IS Ice who are Incapable of providing protection created for him He IS not allowed to perform to the people and on the contrary are work- hiS duties All these things are earned out In In9 for spreading terrorism The Ministry connivance with the police should do thiS task to generate confidence among the common men If the Government really wants to do away With such Illegal actiVities and wants to I want to draw your attention towards an protect the PublIC In real sense, then I would inCIdent whICh occurred at Ulhasnagar, request the Home Mlntster to summon the Maharashtra In which a girl named Rtnku Home Secretaries from all States In a meet- Patll was burnt alive dunng the course of her Ing and Inform them that after the change In S S C Examination It was told that the Government people have lot of expectations Government of India had taken adequate and they have to be fulflled Government steps In the matter But I want to narrate a should summon and Instruct the police per- startling fact regarding the news pertalnrng sonnel If the Prime Minister takes Interest to the assassin Hartsh Patel, published In personally, It Will have a definite Impact and newspapers stating that he had committed we Will be able to Improve the situation on the SUICide and hiS dead body was found on a home from railway track I want to Inform the Home Mlrllsterthat Hansh Patel has notcommrtted I cannot say much due to the paucrty of SUICide He IS stili alive and he has hidden time but I am sure that the Home Minister himself In a liquor factory belonging to a would convene a meeting on the said sublect Congress Legislator and the police IS unable and try to sort out thiS problem to apprehend him The Chief Minister of Maharashtra has adopted vanous means to [EnglIsh] get him apprehended I want to bring to your notICe that when the Home Minister of that SHRI PIYUS TIRAKY (Altpurduars) Mr state Visited Ulhasnagar to look Into the Chairman, Sir, I want to POint out a very matter and met the people, at that time that Important problem which IS gOing on right legislator of that constituency did not accom- from the days of Independence till thiS day pany him When leaders of the OPPOsition and that IS about the trtbal people's prob- ViSited that place, there were one or two lems We have told thiS to the prevIous polICe vans with them But when the Home Government also I would hke to request the Mlntster himself went there, he was neither Home M,nister that the areas which had accompanted by any person from the public been earmarkedtothetnbals must be brought nor the legislator of that constituency But In the Sixth Scheduled So many small States etght or ten police vans had gone there have born only because of Violence The whICh were full of police personnel I would States like Nagaland, Trtpura, Mantpur, like to state that Hansh Patel has links WIth Meghalaya and Assam have born only after the legislator of the area and IS very close to VIOlence and struggle for so many years So ex-Home Mlntster of Maharashtra too But If far, we have seen that the Government can the State Government could not succeed In understand only the language of Violence apprehending the cl,llpnt who assassinated Will thiS new Government also follow tha1 the 16 years old gIrl then It becomes the duty hne? If It IS the policy of the new Government, of the Central Government to get the culprit then the trlbals would also fight for their apprehended Is" proper to burn someone's problems So many trtbal people have been daughter In thiS manner displaced because of the development works In the forests There are about 60.000 Be It Bombay, Maharashtra or for that Chakmas and the Government IS not solVing matter any part of IndIa, It a polrce officer their problems also 573 Oem. for Grants VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Min. of 574 (Gen.), 1990-91 Home Affairs MR. CHAIRMAN: Please conclude. please?
SHRI PIYUS TIRAKY: Sir, I should be All right. Next speaker, Shri Dharmpal given more time because nobody has talked Sharma. on this point. ( Interruptions) MR. CHAIRMAN: You are talking on all subjects. I know even in the previous Lok SHRI PIYUS TIRAKY: They should Sabha also you were following this practice. solve the problems of the tribals.
SHRI PIYUS TIRAKY: Sir, in the year [ Translation] 1989, about 3.136 IPS Officers were there. In Nagaland, both the State Police and the SHRI JAG PAL SINGH: What is this? I Central Police are there. There must be only have to speak. one organisation to tackle the law and order problem. The law and order problem in the [English] country is very bad. MR. CHAIRMAN: I have called his MR. CHAIRMAN: Please resume your name. You did not speak. So, I called him. seat. Shri Jagpal Singh. Let him speak. Shri Dharmpal Sharma.
SHRI PIYUS TIRAKY: Sir, then I should [ Trans/ation] walk out. I am speaking on a very important point, but you are not ready to listen to me. SHRI DHARAM PAL SHARMA (Udham- (I nterruptions) pur): Mr. Speaker, Sir, while discussing the demands for Grants of the Ministry of Home [ Trans/ation] Affairs, I would like to make 2-3 points. Sarkaria Commission report was discussed SHRI JAGPAL SINGH (Hardwar): on 3Oth-31 st of March and 4th-5th April, rose-Hon. Member may please conclude. 1989, but no action has been taken on that It does not look nice otherwise. report. I want to draw your attention towards what has been. stated in that report about the [Eng/ish] appointment of Governors. Those people who are sitting on Treasury Benches and MR. CHAIRMAN: You are not person to were in opposition at that time used to say decide. You please start. Only your speech that it has been stated in Sarkaria Commis- will go on record. sion report that the Governor is an agent of Central Government, Sarkaria Commission ( Interruptions) report should be implemented. I would like to invite the attention of the House to the rec- SHRI PIYUS TIRAKY: What is the ommendations made in paras 4-6 at page thinking of this Government to solve the 122 where in it has been stated- problems of the tribals. (Interruptions) [Eng/ish] [ Translation] "He should be a person who has not SHRI JAGPAL SINGH: Mr. Speaker, taken part in active policies in genera', Sir, Please extend the time as Hon. Member particularly in the recent past. II is speaking. [ Trans/ation] [English] In this regard, I would like to say that an MR.- CHAIRMAN: Are you Speaking the four Governors who have -recently been 575 Dem. for Grants APRIL 25, 1990 Min. of 576 (Gen.), 1990-91 Homg Malts [Sh. Dharam Pal Sharma] and ha'18 some role to play should aleo be consulted in 'such matters. Shri George appointed in Orissa, U.P., Haryana, Pondi- Fernandes who Is Minister-in-charge of cherry and Himachal, all of them had been Kashmir Affairs visited my constituency Coda, alSOCiated with politics. There may be so Kishtwar on Saturday. He wants to sort out many such people, but I have very little time the problem himself without even consulting at my disposal. They are connected either the elected representative of that place. He with National Front or are related to other cannot solve the problem alone. parties which are supporting the Govern- ment. Even those people who lost the elec- I wish to bring it 6n record that myseH tions have been appointed Governor. The and my party is willing to give full cooperation person who lost election in November, 89 to the Government in solving Kashmir prob-- from Gurdaspur on BJP ticket has been lem. But no one even bothers to consult us. apPOinted Governor of Orissa. The husband The Home Minister is going his own way and of Sushma Swaraj, a Member of Parliament George Fernandes is making his own ef- from Rajya Sabha, has been appointed forts. J feel shocked when they say Kashmir Governer of Mizorarn. Similarly, another problem has not cropped up now. it is an old Rajya Sabha Member has been appointed problem. " this is an old problem and Con- Governor of U.P., I want to say that those gress was at fault then Home Minister him- who u&ed to talk of value based politics in this self was a party to it. He too was a Minister House and are in power now and their allied there and he was our President forten years. parties have themselves discarded those He has also been a Minister at the Centre. If values. I am narrating the recommendations we committed any mistake then he is also a continued in Sarkaria Commission Report. party to it. It has been stated that .about 500 But people connected with politics are being terrorists have been apprehended and 10 to appointed Govemors. 15 of them are hard core terrorists. People were killed there yesterday also. As soon as I would like to mention about the law and curfew is relaXed. terrorists kill 2-3 people. order situation which is deteriorating day by day. We find that after independence. maxi- [English] mum number of riots have taken place in Bhagalpur. In Gujarat where CoalitIOn Gov- MR. CHAIRMAN: Please conclude. ernment is in existence. 66 people were killed and 275 injured in Baroda and Ahme- [ Trans/ation] dabad. It is alleged that Minister'S hand was also behind it. Just see what happened in SHRI DHARM PAL SHARMA: Mr. Mathura recently? (Interruptions) Speaker, Sir, it was only yesterday, that two people, a retired Head Master Ali Moham- I will take only one minute more. I want mad and the other one Shri Niranjan Jes, to say something about Kashmir. The posi- were gunned-down by the terrorists. tion in Kashmir is that there are four authorities. One is the Honie Minister, 'another is At the same time, I would like reterto the Minister-in-charge of Kashmir Affairs, Shri statement given by Shri Simranjeet Singh George Fernandes, third is the Governor Mann, that the Sikhs would not oo-0p8rate in and fourth is the Prime Minister. The Home the event of a war with Pakistan, for the Minister says that no dialogue will be held aspirations of the Kashmir people will come with terrorists, we have a bigger gun than to an end if they do so. they have. Next day Shri George Fernandes makes a statementthat discussions are being SHRt KAPIL DEV SHASTRI (Sonepat): held in Rajouri and Poonch with terrorists. I would like to speak on such points as wiU be He is behaving his own way. I want to say quite different-from those on which other that we people who have been duly elected hon. members have dwelt. While entering 577 Oem. for Grants VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Min. of 578 (Gen.). 1990-91 Home Affairs the Parliament, we find a 'Shloka' written Vedas are the oldest volumes in the world. there which reads as follows:- We find folloWing lines in The Atharvaveda:
"Ayam Nijah Paroveti Gar ana 'Ashta Chakra Naw dwara deonah Laghuchetsam. Ayodhya, Udarcharitanam Tu Vasudhaiva tasya Hiranayamayah kosho swargo- Kutumbkam. " Jyotis hamvitah.'
It means that the people with a narrow out- Ayodhya is situated on the bank of river look tend to look at things that 'this is mine Saryu. Lord Rama was born here. Through and that is yours or this belongs to me and the generations and ages to this day, we find that belongs to you'. On the other hand, that the most pious and exalting festival we generous ones consider the whole world as celebrate here is the 'Ram leela'. It is cele- a family. Though, we people preach that the brate by all the communities including Sikhs, whole world is like a family but we never Christians and Muslims. What I mean to say follow it. Once Valmiki asked Narad- is that we should not involve ourselves in such controversies on this issue of Ramjanm "Ko Usmin Sampratam Loke Gun- bhoomi-Babari Masjid. Here, I would like to wankashcha Veeryawan. read the text of the Allahabad High Court Dharmjashcha Kritjashcha Satyavakyo judgement. When the Uttar Pradesh Gov- Dridhvritahj." ernment sought a clarification from Allahabad High Court in this regard, the Court stated This means: speaks the truth? Who is the that plot No. 586, about which the Sunni law-abiding man and who is the real servant Community filed a law-suit on September of his people? 12,1961, on which the temple.of Ramajanm bhoomi is being constructed, is not covered Narad replied- uhder the dispute. The whole plot is out of site of thlll AamaJanm bhoomi-Babri Masjid. Ulkshavakuranshprabhavo Aamonam Even after their judgement, the district Janaih Shrutah administration didn't allow to lay the founda- Niyatatma Mahaveerya Shrutiman tion of the temple. These are not my words Dhritiman Vash'" but that what has been stated by the Allahabad High-Court in their judgement. (Lord Rama is the greatest man. He was born in Ayodhya. He says about Ayodhya There are five Arya customs. In Islam that for the last thousands of years our old too. they offer their prayers (,Namaj') five generations have accepted Ayodhya as the times. We repeat the word 'Om' thrice, and best of all the seven 'Puris'. Hence the con- their mosques have three minarates. We troversy raised in respect of Ayodhya need observe fast during the days of 'Navratra', not be given unnecessary importance. It is whereas Muslims do the same during the written that- month of Ramzaan. According to the traditions of Vedic religion, Aryans do not worship "Ayodhya, Mathura, Maya Kashi, idols, so is the case with Islam. I am saying Kanchi Avantika, all this to show the great resemblance that Puri Dwaravteeshchaiva, Saptaite Arya Samaj and Islam have with each-other. Mokshadayika. Our Muslim brother Mufti Mohammad Say- Ashta Chakra Nav Owara Oevnah eed is a true Brahmin because in the words Ayodhya, of Mohammad Kareem Chhagla, 'the entire Tasya Hiranyyarnayah Koshetswargo stretch of this country is the native land of Jyotishamvnitah ... Aryas, and that's what I want to say.
Our Vedic literature is wr~ten in Sanskrit and SHRI JAGPAL SINGH (Hardwar): The 579 Dem. for Grants APRil 25, 1990 Mm. of 580 (Gen.), 1990-91 Home Affairs [Sh. Jagpal Singh] vOICe for 'Equality', how will you manage to keep thIs country untted? So, I would like to House IS discussing the Demands of Grants urge upon you not to Indulge In the act of In respect of the MInistry of Home Affairs. spreading communalism In the name of Ram- The ISSue IS bemg discussed at the time Janam Bhoomr-Baban MasJld Issue. How- when the country IS facing the frenzied ex- ever, It IS the need of the hour that all the pressIOn of terrorism and communalism In people-be they Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs or many parts I do not know whether these ChristIans-should stand unrted and treat areas are represented here In the House I everybody as equal In respect of SOCIal and also don't know the Hon'ble members, sit- economic fights In order to protect th,s coun- ting here, and their leaders are leaving any try On one hand they are demanding scrap- Impact on the minds of the people irving In ping of ArtICle 370 and on the other, they thelf part of the country When the country IS want to discontinue the faCIlity of reservatIon faCing the problem of seCeSSIOnism, com- for 22 crore of Scheduled Castes and Sched- munalism and terrorism and the mnocent uled Trrbes, mInorities and backward classes people are being killed by these elements, A vast majority of the Hindus IS against you obviously, It has been emphatically reflected What Will be the fate of India If these people In the House After forty-two years of our unite to raise therr vOice against such slo- Independence we are again faCing the prob- gans So I would like to make a humble lem of migratIOn of more than 50 thousand request to you that at th,s cntlcal hour, you people who are taking shelter In Deihl as should not give any such slogan that may refugees I am polntmg towards the people, prove detrimental to the Interests of thiS who are stili making a demand for a 'Hindu country 'HanJans' are being burnt alive and Rashtra' at a time when the people are atrOCities are being commItted on them ,n faCing terrOrism I would like to warn them thiS country Ours IS a free country, but In that such people who are ralsmg thelf vOice case a 'Hanjan' refuses to offer hIS wife to for a 'Hindu Rashtra' are paving the way for entertain a feudal lord, he IS burnt alIVe. We further divIsIOn of country In my View, such have got to check such inCidents people are no better than the Khal'stanls' and the terrorists who want to see this coun- I would say that the InCidents whICh are try fragmented Since they have taken the taking place In KashmIr are a red SIgnal for oath of allegiance to the Constitution of In- the country Situation prevaIling In Kashmir dia, they do not have any right to raise the make the people feel that Justice has not pomt of a 'Hindu Rashtra' In this House It IS been done to them In the matter of SOCIO- something hrghly undeSirable to give a call economic nghts and they are not enJOYIng for a 'Hindu Rashtra' at a tIme when commu- equal nghts Kashmrn people thmk that they nalism IS spreading all around, securrty of are being treated as a second grade citIZen the country IS threatened and divIsive and of the country, and are at the mercy of the separatist forces are active In Punjab and centre-this IS the reason why the country IS Kashmir to see It fragmented To talk of a stncken by diSparities In the matter of rights 'HIndu Rashtra' In the present cIrcumstances and Imbalances In development I would hke IS nothIng but an act of treason In case, the to pornt out that the Government has not dream of 'Hindu Aashtra', turns out to be a done anything for the betterment and devel- reality, what Will be the fate of the fifteen opment of the people belonging to backward crore Muslims of th,s country? Today, If you classes, minOrities, Scheduled Castes and talk of a 'Hindu Rashtra', then I wpuld like to Scheduled Tnbes The fIre that has now remind you that 'DravidIan Culture' IS much engulfed the entire Kashmir can spread to older then the HIndu Culture the entire country. Till now, those crores of people of thIS country have not demanded 16.00 hr •. their share 10 the national wealth They merely asked for SOCial respect, which they are not If a handful of people 90 on rals'"9 theIr been given to thiS date It IS poSing a threat 581 Oem for Grants VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Mm. of 582 (Gen), 1990-91 Home Affairs to India's unrty and Integrity So, Mr Chair- [EnglIsh] man, Sir. I would hke to urge upon the MInister of Home AffaIrs through you to MR CHAIRMAN The time allotted for recall the days when the people who are now thiS debate IS over Now It IS tl'ne for the sitting on the treasury benches used to SIt In Home Minister to reply to the debate Since the oPPOsition and always used to make the so many Members are pressing for the ex- POint of raising a secular force In the country, tensIon of tIme, I leave It to the House to so that minOrities do not thmk that a unilat- deCide eral decision IS taken by the Government SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATTERJEE (Dumdum) No further extension should be SIr, I would like to repeat my demand to given We have already changed the sched- raise a secular force In thiS country In order ule Now, we cannot change It further (Inter- to Instil a feeling of trust In the minOrities At ruptions) th,s moment, I would like to tell the B J P people that they should not entertam thiS MR CHAIRMAN I can understand the mlsglvmg that the majority of Hindus of India feelings of the Independent Members But I IS with them The election results have clearly cannot go against the deCISion of the House shown It that they have voted for a party whICh was strong In their region whether It ( Interruptions) was B J P or Janata Dal or any other party for that matter So don t cherish a mIsgiving PROF P J KURJEN (Mavehkara): and do not try to become custodian or spokes- fully understand the constraInt of tIme but so man of all the Hindus of t~IS country How- many more Members from both the Sides ever, In the present moment of cnsls the want to speak The Home MinIstry IS a very entire nation and people of every religion Important subject espeCially at thiS poInt of should stand united to preserve the unity and time So I would request the Chalf to extend Integrity of thiS country It IS the need of the the time at least by one hour and the Home hour that the people from all the communi M,nister can gIve h,s reply later ties should rise together to face the Internal and external threats Before I conclude I SOME HON MEMBERS No, no (Inter- would like to say one thing more that we the ruptions) members of the Congress Party who are always blamed to have said that the present MR CHAIRMAN I am not free to take government IS a weak government But I any deciSion because the House has al- would Irke to tell you that RaJlv Gandhi and ready taken the deCISion The House alone hiS party has never launched such a com can take a deCISion I am not competent to palgn against the Government It IS only the take the deCISion B J P which has launched a number of agitations sometime for the removal of Ar The reply by the Home MInister Will also tlcle 370, sometime on the Kashmir Issue, cover reply tothe D,SCUSSion under Rule 193 Bodo problem or demanding statehood for regarding Communal SItuation In the country Deihl and so on Hence It IS they who have raised by Shrt Hartsh Rawat on 24th April, weakened thIS government, and I would Irks 1990 to urge upon the governmsmt to take strict action against such reactionary forces so Now the Home MInister that they may not false their heads That IS the only way to safeguard the unity and THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS Integrrty of the country (SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED) Sir, Shn Kumaramangalam was there when It With these words I conclude was agreed with the then Chairman that I Will 583 Oem. for Grants APRIL 25, 1990 Min. of 584 (Gen.), 1990-91 Home Affairs [She Mufti Mohammad Sayeed] and let them talk only two minutes each. be speaking at 4 p. m. h should not go beyond [ Translation] that time. (Interruptions) SHRI KANKAR MURJARE: Some of I Translation) the Hon. Members have spoken on several occasions whereas we have not been given SHRI KANKAR MUNJARE (Balaghat): opportunity to speak even once. (Int9rrup- Mr. Chairman, Sir, we should also be given tions) chance to speak. H we are not allowed to speak, we will also not allow the hon. Home [English] Minister to speak. PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Sir, at leastthose SHRI RAMESHWAR PRASAD (Arrah): independent Members should be allowed to People have elected us also. We should also speak for two minutes. (Interruptions) be given opportunity to speak. (Interrup- tions) MR. CHAIRMAN: If all of you agree, then I have no objection. SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SA YEED: Mr. Chairman, Sir, I am thankful to all the SOME HON. MEMBERS: No. (Inter- Hon. Members who have taken part in the ruptions) discussion ...... (Interruptions) SHRI YADVENDRA DATI (Jaunpur): [English] Sir, there should be no change. Also .. the Minister has started. (Interruptions) MR. CHAIRMAN: I appreciate the feelings of the Independent Members. But at the MR. CHAIRMAN: Please take your same time they must understand that they seats. I am on my legs. have no right to talk on all the subjects. ( Interruptions) ( Interruptions) MR. CHAIRMAN: The problem which 16.08 hrs. we are facing is the time factor, because eyeryone wants to speak. When we are [DR. THAMBI DURAl in the Chaj~ having time. we are adjusting it and allotting it according to the strength 0' the party. That MR. CHAIRMAN: Order, please. is what we have decided. But, Independent Members or Members of some other parties SHRI NIRMAL KANT! CHA TIERJEE: want to speak on every subject. We are May I request the Chair that to satisfy.them, facing that problem because unattached after the Home Minister completes his reply, Memhers or Independent Members are given the Chair can allow only those Members to ten minutes. Within that time limit we cannot ask some questions. accommodate all the Independent Mem- bers. We can allow one person to speak on MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes. after the Home this Demand and other Member on some Minister's reply they can ask some ques- ether Demand. But they are not adjusting. I tions. can understand what they demand. Within that ten minutes, Members of ten parties are ( Interruptions) given one minute each to speak. That is their argument. 11 you will strictly go on taking only SHRI HARISH RAWAT (Almora): one minute, I have no objection. Many request the Home Minister to yield to them members do not restrict their speeches to 585 Oem. for Grants VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Min. of 586 (Gen.), 1990-91 HomeAHairs the tIme allotted for them. That is the prob- SHRI KHEMCHANDBHAI SOMABHAI lem, the Chairman or whoever IS presiding, CHAVDA: Sir, it has already been decided. IS commg across I have no objection to allow I cannot understand as to why there is a and this may be treated as a special case, If change. The House has decided under the you all accept. I leave It to you to decide Instrudions of the Speaker. The Chairman has gIVen a ruling thatthe Home Minister will ( Interruptions) reply at 4 O'Clock. Then, the discussion under Rule 193 will commence. MR. CHAIRMAN But we must strictly follow one rule. How to accommodate the MR. CHAIRMAN: That IS correct. Independent Members or indivIdual partIes? There may be a party, apart from a big party SHRt KHEMCHANDBHAt SOMABHAI which may be haVing only one Member here CHAVDA: Then, why are you changing it How to accommodate him? every now and then?
( InterruptIOns) MR. CHAIRMAN: Some of our colleagues have asked for it. That is why. MR CHAIRMAN. Buttlmefactorlsalso there. SHAI KHEMCHANDBHAI SOMABHAI CHAVDA: But, If you are going to allow like ( InterruptIOns) thiS, then there Will be no limrt for It. {Interrup- tions) MR CHAIRMAN Sometimes, as a special case, rf you all accept, we can adJust. MR CHAIRMAN: They are not accept- Ing If. What can I do? Please take your seat. [ TranslatIon] ( InterruptIOns) SHRI VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA (Deihl Sadar) Mr Chairman, Sir, a thing SHRt KHEMCHANDBHAt SOMABHAI already decided IS changed ten times In the CHAVDA: Will you allow me also to speak? mornmg It was deCided that at 4 p m the There should be no change. Only the han. matter relating to Scheduled Castes Will be Minister should be a~lowed to speak. Then, taken up; later It was deCided that the Home diSCUSSion under Rule 193 should com- Mrnlsterwtll reply Now you areglvlngtlmeto mence them to speak What IS that? Things should be deCided fmally They should not be ( Interruptions) changed ten times [ Transfatlon] [English] SHRI KANKAR MUNJARE. Will not SHRI KHEMCHANDBHAI SOMABHAI you accede to our request and will not allow CHAVDA(Patan) It was decided underthe us to speak I have given In wrrtlng a month instructions of the Speaker So there should bac" to the Lok Sabha Secreta nat Why we not be any change will not be gIVen time? (Interrupt/ons)
SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SA YEEO MA CHAIRMAN Now, It IS left to the ..the Han Members who have taken part MInister If he Yields I can allow OtherWise, In the diSCUSSion on the Grants for the MIn- I cannot. Mr. Minister. what do you say? Can Istry of Home Affairs. (Interruptions) you accommodate two persons? SHRI RAMESHWAR PRASAD: I also ( Interruptions) want to speak I am not being given time to 587 Oem. for Grants APRIL 25. 1990 Min. of 588 (Gen.). 1990-91 HomeA"airs [Sh. Rameshwar Prasad] SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: speak. In protest I walk out. Kindly allow him two or threa minutes.
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Shri Rameshwar Prasad then left the MR. CHAIRMAN: The procedure is House there. This is not the way.
SHAt MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED: ( Interruptions) The problems. particularly belonging to crimes. that are facing the country. (Interrup- MR. CHAIRMAN: You can speak on tions) some other demand.
SHRI KANKAR MUNJARE: I also want ( Interruptions) to speak. Why are you not giving me.chance to speak. Will this discrimination be prac- MR. CHAIRMAN: I cannot accommo- tised in Parliament? (Interruptions) date all.
(English] ( Interruptions)
MR. CHAIRMAN: After his reply, you SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED: I can speak. cannot speak in such a situation. (Interrup- tions) How can I speak. (Interruptions) ( Interruptions) MR. CHAIRMAN: Please listen to me. MR. CHAIRMAN: You can say your We had already decided that the Minister will point at that. reply at 4 o'clock. In spite of that. two Mem- bers wanted to participate in the debate. One ( Interruptions) of them has already left. The person who was occupying the Chair before me had MR. CHAIRMAN: No, no I cannot allow. already said that the time was not available. Therefore, he called the Minister. Afterwards, ( Interruptions) when I came, these Members still demanded the time to speak. The Minister has already MR.CHAIRMAN: What hesays. will not started replying. go on record. I asked the consensus of the House. ( Interruptions)* One section was in its favour while the other opposed it. Other Members are also interested to speak. MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Minister, you please carry on. ( Interruptions)
( Interruptions) MR. CHAIRMAN: Thetime has already been exhausted. MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Munjare, once we have decided, you cannot do like this. ( Interruptions)
(/nt8rruptions) MR. CHAIRMAN: If we allow this
·Not recorded. 589. Dem. for Grants VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Min. of 590 (Gsn.). 1990-91 Homs Affairs Member, what about the other Member who [EngHsh] has already walked out? In that case, both the Members will have to be allowed. One MR. CHAIRMAN: It 'allow like this. then sugges~ion is that after the Minister's reply, the same precedent will continue next time we can allow him to ask question to get also. When the Chair has already given the clarification from the MInister. That is the ruling, you have to follow it. Therefore, I only way. request the hon. Member once again to take hiS seat. After the Minister's reply, you can ( Interruptions) put your questions ... (Interruptions)
MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Mun}are, please MR CHAIRMAN: You listen to me also. take your seat. After PIS reply IS over. I Will You cannot force me or compel me like this. allow you to Pl,lt some questions to the Min- Take your seat. Ister ( Interruptions) ( InterruptIOns) [ Translation] MR CHAIRMAN- Please sit down Is th,s the way to compe! the Chair? SHRI KANKAR MUNJARE: A short while ago I was told that I wi" be given a [TransJatlon) chance to speak bu1 now why are you not allOWing me to speak? SHRI KANKAR MUNJARE I should be gIven an opportunity to speak before the [English] reply I will speak In brief Why are you not alloWing me to speak MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. MIOIster, you carry on With your rep!y (English] SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED: MR CHAIRMAN Mr Minister, you carry You have to deCide once for all. I do not want on. to be Interrupted like thIS. I cannot speak under these circumstances. (Interruptions) SHRI SOMNATH CHA ITERJEE Sir. the M,nister has Yielded MR. CHAIRMAN: I cannot allow you to speak now since the MInister ison hlsleg.You SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED. do whatever you want. .. No, I have not Yielded
MR. CHAIRMAN. If he has yielded, there ( InterruptIOns) would not have been any problem. But he is not yielding. What can I do for that? MR. CHAIRMAN: OtherwIse, 'have to sent you out. l Translation] { Translation] ( InterruptIOns)
( Interruptions) SHRI KANKAR MUNJARE: I have already stated that I should be given a chance SHRI KANKAR MUNJARE: Unless you to speak before the reply ot the Hon. Minis- gIve me a chance to speak. I am not going ter. undge from here. 591 Dem. for Grants (Gen.). APRIL 25.1990 Discussion under Rule 193 592 1990-91 Min. of Hamil Affairs Communal situation in countty [English] (Interruptions)
MR. CHAIRMAN: Where is the Parlia- [ Translation] mentary Affairs Minister? I have to seek his suggestion. SHRt KANKAR MUNJARE: Any way. you allow me to speak before the reply. ( Translation] ( Interruptions)
SHRI KANKAR MUNJARE: You please 16.24 hr•. call him. If you want I can get it clarified from him. DEMANDS FOR GRANTS (GENERAL) '990-91
Ministry of Home Affalrs-CONTD. [Eng/ish] AND
MR. CHAIRMAN: There must be some DISCUSSION UNDER RULE' 93 limit. If every Member says like this. than what can I do? It IS not only your right. Communal Situation In the Country- Everybody has the same right. CONTD.
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SHRI KANKAR MUNJARE: I am not THE HOME MINISTER (SHRI MUFTI bothered that several others have not been MOHAMMAD SAYEED): I have listened with given chance to speak. I have been waiting rept attention the points raised by the Hon. for my tum for quite a long time but you have Members. Once or twice discussion on not given me a chance to speak. communalism has taken place in this House. Yesterday also the Han. Members discussed the issue for about tour and a half hours. I admit that some communal riots had taken [Eng/ish] place in our country earlier also but if you look at the advanced countries there too MR. CHAIRMAN: This is not the way. such tensions have occurred but if we eva 11,.;- There must be some kind of discipline. ate the situation we find that during the last 3-4 years whenever such riots took place THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE earlier we could identify the people respon- MINISTRYOFPARlIAMENTARYAFFAIRS sible for such acts. whether they were the (SHRIJAGDEEP DHANKHAR): You please smugglers. vested interests or somebody resume your seat. (InterrupTIons} else who were responsible tor creating bad blood among the brothers but I will have to admit that since this issue of Ram Janmb- MR. CHAIRMAN: I told you not to waste hoomi-Babri Masjid has been raised a vilifi- the tIme of the House. There IS a procedure. cation campaign has been launched by both When we have already deCided something, Hindus and Muslims. We should not torget you cannot compel the Chair and the whole that our cu"ure has been such that both House on your demand. That IS not good. I temple and mosque have co-nxisted side by am going to give you an opportunity after the side. But this time the Hindus have felt that Minister's reply. Atthattimeyou can put your the Muslims who are in minority. are op- queslions and he will reply to them. You waH posed to the construction of the temple of till then. Lord Rama. Similarly, Muslims have felt·that 593 _ a.m. for Grants (Gen.),VAISAKHA5.1912 (SAKA) Discussion und9f 594 1990-91 Min. of Horns Affairs Rule 193 Communal situation in country the temple of Lord Rama will be constructed for the first time in the history of riots in after demolition of tbe mosque. They were Ahmedabad that the situation was immedi- apprehensive of the fate of other mosques ately controlled. It is true that riots trigger off also. The virus of communalism has been on trivial issues such as an inter-religious injected in the minds of the common man. marriage. It is said that a Muslim girl married The Bhagalpur riots are the result of this a V.H.P. leader and that resulted in the feeling only. I think this riot was more grue- murder of that leader. Similarly a sadhu was some than the riots that took place' during the killed in Ahmedabad. But the State Govem- partition of the country in which people and ment swung into action promptly. certain village after village participated on large scale. anti-social elements and smugglers had their In Badaun also such an incident t~ place. hand in the killing. So they rounded up about Everywhere this feeling among the people, 2000 persons. Also curfew was damped in specially among the farmers and the lower the city and army was asked to flag march in section has spread. Had the honourable that area. A congress delegation consisting Members Sitting on the other side now, got ofM.Pshadvisitedthearea. They also made the riots in Bhagalpur, Meerut, Gujarat and a statement in this regard. It reads as fol- Rajasthan enquired into then, the situation lows: would have been different. They have cited the examples. They have mentioned Malhura (English] and Kanpur. I think they should have con- gratulated the State Government for bring- The team comprising Mr. H.B. Hanspal, Mr. ing the situation under control. In Kanpur, Mohammad Ansari and Mr. Rajsekhar Reddy people wanted to throw fire-balls, like the has expressed its satisfaction at the pr.even- arrows in Mahabharata, on each other, but tive measures taken by the State Govern- security forces took prompt action and ment. brought the situation under control. You can see today's newspapers. They have stated [ Translation] that there was going to be a big a calamity in Mathura but the local administration dealt So there is nothing to be worried about. I also with the situation appreciably. I would like to met the people belonging to minority com- say that the festivals of both Hindus and munities there and it was forthe first time that Muslims are occasionS tor happiness, though tl1ey were full of praise for the Government. no one can say what may happen during the Be it Hindu or a Muslim, each one of them religious processions. if you compare the said that it was forthe first time that they were number of incidents that have occurred this given adequate protection to ensure their year with those of the last year, you will rind safety and the Government had acted ap- an improvement. The Bihar Chief Minister preciable to control the situation. Similarly had stated that he was determined' not to the Chief Minister of Rajasthan came to me allow anything untoward to happen on Ram and said that Ram Navami processions are Navami day and we congratulate him for to be taken out, and I took all the necessary such a step. the administration in Bihar was steps to ensure that nothing untoward hap- alerted on Ram Navami and as a result of the pened. Now we come to the Ram Janam- open discussion with the different section of Bhoomi-Babri Masjid issue. Sathe Sahib who the society. no incident took place. All this was dwelling on the entire philosophy of has been appreciated by a number of news- Hindu religion discussing the real birth place papers. So far as Gujarat is concerned. there of Ram as per the Hindu scriptures is not were wide spread communal disturbances present at the moment. I myself was in the during Deputy Prime Ministership of Morarji Congress for thirty years and held its banner Desai in 1969. Even this time. there have in Kashmir and faced bullets as we were in been such di~turbances once again. I had opposition. May their strength grow in na- gone there and met the people of all sections tional interest. I would like to know as ~o who of society and each of them said that it was had allowed the Shilanyas on the 9th. It was 595 Oem. for Grants (Gen.), APRIL 25, 1990 Discussion under 596 1990-91 Min. of Home Affairs Rule 193 Communal situation in country ISh. Mufti Mohammad Sayeed] I do not have exact statistics regarding the population of the minorities. Some say the Government of that State who did it on that they do not believe in family planning. the advice of the advocate general despite Some people talk of infiltration and that needs the interim order ot the High court. On the 9th investigation. Yes, aU such matters must be they allowed it to please the Hindu Commu- looked into. But would you please tell me as nity and later stopped that on the 1 Oth just to to why the human resource which is en- appease the Muslims. gaged in handicrafts, carpet making and wood craft or other occupations should not [Eng/ish] be utiltsed for the development of this country? You have to face a challenge in Punjab Thus you place yourself between the and Kashmir. It is only a part of the popula- devil and the deep sea. tion that feels itself alienated. rTranslation] [English]
You started your election campaign on It is eating into the vitals. The attention the 9th by proclaiming that you would work of the whole Government, the people of India for Ram-Rajya. . is on Kashmir and Punjab. Howto tackle this problem? [English] [ Translation) Ram is an ideal ruler and You may not possibly alienate such a [ Translation] large population. I would not like to talk about 15 point programme. The Muslim boy who There is no point in discussant it any engages himself in carpet making just after more. But. I would like to submit that the leaving his mother's lap... (Interruptions) present situation poses a great challenge to all the nationalist and patriotic forces who PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Let him address wish to see India as great united and happy the Chair. country. SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED: We have to fight against the external as You cannot intervene like this. I have lis- well as internal forces whic.h are engaged in tened to you. You cannot interrupt me now. promoting terrorism and secessionism in Please be seated. this country just to destablise it. On the internal front we are to combat terrorism, MA. CHAIRMAN: You address the divisive forces and secessionist elements. Chair. The policy of pitting the brothers against each other would only weaken this nation. SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED: That is right. I accept what you have said. Whenever ,there was a challenge to this nation or there was an attack on this country, SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE everyone of us, be it a Hindu, a Sikh or a (Bolpur): "is a sheer flippancy that is going Muslim 1aced and fought unitedly against the on here. (Interruptions) enemy. You may recall the brave soldiers like Brig. Usman. who freed a large part of PROF. P.J. KURtEN: , have just re- occupied Kashmir and became a martyr, or minded you the rules. we may recall the sacrifice of Havaldar Abdul Hamid who laid down his life while destroy- SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED: , ing many Pak tanks in 1965. accept that. 597 Oem. for Grants (Gen.), VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Discussion under 598 1990-91 Min. of Home Affairs Rule 193 Communal situation in countty SHRI SOMNATH CHATIERJEE' Prof. a thing to be requested. Kurien, Why are you looking here? Why are you not addressIng the ChaIr? He is not As I have already stated, the biggest addressing you. danger to the country is one you can see the sltua\\On in Punjab or Kashmir the criminals SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOUDHURY there are engaged in worsemng the situ- (Katwa): He did not address you Now, he IS ation. The foundation stone for Ramjanam teaching us the moral (Interruptions) Shooml Temple was laid on 9th and construction work was to start from 14th Febru- {Translatton] ary. The Hon. Prrme MInister invited the Ramjanam Bhoomi Committee for talks and SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED: I told them that there IS tension in the country would like to say that the person who work~ and VIOlence can erupt among the different as artisan.. (Interruptions) MalhotraJI has communities. He has constitu1ed a commit-. Just stated that the 15 potnt programme tee whIch Will conSider over this matter. Had meant for the minOrities IS actually a minority you done any work of thiS sort? appeasing device I would like to submrt that there IS nothing like that After all where can Our efforts will be to bnng the two par- a workers or a rickshaw puller get succour ties to the negotiating talks and find out a after leaVing hiS mother's lap? You can take solution of the problem. If a solution IS found the pomt of literacy. Today, the national out I think India's fate Will be changed. It will literacy level IS about 35% while among the be good for the country If an amicable solu- mlnorrtles It IS not more than 15% Would you tion of the problem of RamJanam Bhoomi- like to keep them In the darkness of 19th Sabri MasJid IS found out. That IS why a century and not to bring them forward to step comprehenSive diSCUSSIOn took place here. In the 20th century? You talk of bnnglng I want to say that we Will deal thiS matter with them mto the main stream For thiS, you must an Iron hand provide them an opportunrty In the fIeld of educatIOn, so that thIS country may go ahead I am happy that the Chief Minister of on the path of progress Bihar, GUJarat, Maharashtra and other States have taken It serIOusly and necessary mas- One more thing which I feel IS that IndIa sages to the offICers have been sent. The IS like a garden With many colourful flowers most Important decISIon taken In so far as The more oolourful the flowers are, the more Implementation of 15 Point programme IS beautiful It would be. I would like to tell my concerned IS that dlstnct officers have been mlnonty brethren also that thiS IS the land of made responsible In the sensrtive areas. Ganga-Yamuna and here nobody can be They have been told that if there is tension termed as a stranger ThiS land has always anywhere that has to be removed. If there IS sheltered the unfortunate lot, the mlserables. a report of such tenSIOn, they have to deal In 1947, after the partition of th,s country, the SituatIOn wrth strictness. some people of India mIgrated to Pakistan where they were made to lead a miserable The temple and the mosques are not to hfe and were not accepted as the Citizens of create hatred. Everywhere loudspeakers that country Even today they are struggling are beIng used. Once riots took place In for life in Karanchl, Sind and Hyderabad. The Meerut. Since then loudspeakers have not Blhan Muslims who had lett for Pakistan In been allowed erther In temples or in mosques. 1947, are not considered as true musllms. In such a Situation the question of nots We have to hve here and we have been liVing happening does not anse. These thIng should here for thousands of years. Islam has con- be regulated. tn6ut~d a lot to the culture of Ganga and Yamuna. Muslims In India WIll become pros- The National Integration Council's perous and their status Will Increase. It IS not meeting was convened and there all these 599 Oem. for Grants (Gen.), APRIL 25, 1990 DIScussIOn under 600 1990-91 Mm of Home Affairs Rule 193 Communal situation in country [Sh. Mufti Mohammad Sayeed] Bhagalpur alongwrth the Pnme MinISter. We went to VIllages and huts there. We asked things were discussed In detaIl In the rehg- the mlnontles-about theIr reqUIrements. They IOUS processIOns the name of lord Rama or said that theIr only requIrement IS that BSF Allah should be taken There IS not need to may be posted there BSF does not differen- shout slogans against any other community tiate between Hindus and Muslims ThiS We have told that such thIngs WIll be banned force IS motIvated one The same CRP and It has been decided that whosoever raises BSF are working In Jammu and KashmIr such slogans, adron Will be taken against There IS no Instance of theIr mIsbehavIour him. SImilarly, why should anything be writ- because they have got a good tramlng They ten on walls against anyone Freedom of have been motivated and trained as to how reltglOn has been given In our constrtutlOn to deal with the human beings That IS why Every person, be he Hindu, Mushm. Sikh or Bhagalpur people asked for BSF posting I ChristIan has the freedom to follow hIS re"g- do not say that minOrities and other commu- IOn but for thIS, It IS not necessary that nities should not be Included In It About thIS slogans should be written on the walls Why also I have frgures wrth me Efforts are being anyone's sentrments should be hurt In thIS made to fill the requIred ratIO Efforts are way We have announced that wall wilting being made to recrUIt more and more per- WIll be banned The ChIef MinIsters have sons from mlnorrty commUnities and from been asked to pay attention towards thIS HarrJans and Adlvasls RatIO has Increased aspect with the recruitment of these persons In the para-military forces ThIs ratio has Increased Another Important thing whIch needs to as compared to the ratIO eXisting at the time be paid attentIOn IS the contents of the text the preVIous Government but rt IS not a books 11 certain good things of the history fundamental thmg What IS to be seen IS that are Ineluded In them, that WIll be a good whenever there IS communal tensIOn or thing We should write about Akbar-e-Azam communal flOtS and whIch-ever community In them Look at Fatehpur Slkn On one Side IS affeded the officers there have to treat there IS temple and on the other SIde a people as human bemgs and they have not mosque has been bUilt Cannot we Import to dIfferentiate between Hindus and Mus- good educatIon to our children IndIa has lims Wherever blood IS shed, that blood been a great country It has not been weak- belongs to the Indians and Caf1not be differ- ened by foreIgn attacks but by Internal blck- entiated belonging to Hindus or Muslims enngs There IS need to re-ralse our text People who are of such thinking are good books people and they Will be given awards as are given on Republic Day So far as stockplhng of arms IS concerned, there should not be any compromIse These are things Included In the 15- on thIS Issue-for example, recently In Kanpur POint Programme I do not want to go In In depth searches were made by the State details at present I am hopeful thIS Will help Government and arms and ammunttlon were In Improving the communal situatIOn In the seIZed ThiS created hatred and mutual country I have talked to the Han Pnme confidence was lost A collUSIon betwee" a MinIster also I have told hIm that J am bICYcle and a rickshaw took place but the confident that we can deal with Kashmir and preparations In the houses were full Mutual Punjab problems Hthere Is-external aggres- faith has suffered We have to reestablish Sion, our people have the power to repulse It confidence but so far as Issue of arms IS but so far as atmosphere In the oountry IS concerned, there cannot be any compro- concerned that we have to seQ that It re- mIse mal ns congenral and there IS fraternity among different communitIes. Another poInt that has been raIsed IS about the composIte forces I had gone to Among the other things that have boen 601 Oem. for Grants (Gen.), VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Discussion under 602 1990-91 Min. of Home Affairs Rule 193 Communal situation;n count/}' discussed in detail, Punjab is one of them. It points were implemented. Of course, some is a very complicated problem. For the last points have been left out-For example- four months our friends in opposition have identification of foreigners and deputation been asking about the policy, direction and etc. Secondly, there are abundant natural action plan. I would like to re'mind the han. resources in Assam, but the people of the Members that it was because of Punjab State are in no way benefited by these re- problem that our Prime Minister was killed, sources. I have the complete list of people Blue Star Operation took place, Black Thun- who had migrated to Assam between 1966 der Operation took place and you people to 1977 and whose identification has been also tried to give a healing touch in 1984. An completed. accord was reached with Shri longowal but the hand of the terrorists was so strong that [English] they killed the architect of the Accord. What happened to the process of the healing touch Cases taken up for investigation: 4, 92, you had started? We want a solution of the 445 and cases convicted: 4, 13,993. Punjab problem. We have tned to give a healing touch. lot of things have been done. [ Translation]
[English] A complete infrastructure has been prepared for this. As far as I know there are Rehabilitation of Army deserters, tnal by about 3,000 people who have been identi- special courts of those Involved in 1984 nots. fied. So far as the question of infilteration is concerned. people are migrating from Bang- [ Translation1 ladesh. When I was on a visit to Guwahati, I discussed this with the Chief Minister of the I need not repeat all these things. We under- State. Allthefunds required there forfencing stand the situation. Whenever there is im- the border have been sanctioned by the provement Inthe Punjabsrtuation, the terror- Central Government and funds have also ists get assistance from Pakistan. Efforts are been sanctioned forthe construction of roads. being made to repeat the incidents of Batala Now, it is upto them to speed up the work. Abohar, Ferozepur etc. What is needed is to Similarly, we have also agreed to their win the confidence of the people of Punjab. demand to the setting up of an Oil Refinery Political process will keep on going but prior- in the State. There is already a Kendriya ity has to be given to combat terrorism. We Vidyalaya in Silchar. There were some dis- are trying our best to do this. It is a serious putes, but we have conveyed to them that thing that a particular section of population is the Central Government will set up an I.I.T. being made target in Abohar, Fazilaka and for the entire North-East. The situation in Batala. But we congratulate the people of Assam was as peaceful as it was in Kashmir PunjabthaHn spite of the efforts being made a year back. But tension has been created in to create a communal wedge, there is an Assam by an organisation called the ULFA atmosphere of brotherhood in the State. which was links with the N.S.C.N. and some of its activists have received secessionist The President's Rule has been'extended training in Burma. They are creating distur- to the State for a further period of 6 months. bances in Assam. The law and order situ- Our Government will make every effort to ation in the State is not good. Jt appears that hold elections in the State as soon as the they are running their administration in a situation improves. number of areas and districts. I had a meeting with the Chief Minister of Assam and also As far as Assam is concerned, the pre- met the Council of Ministers. I also met a vious Government had signed an Accord in cross section of people in the State. People this regard. All the complaints they had, were live under an atmosphere of fear. The local taken note of in the Accord. A number of administration does not deal with the hostile 603 Oem. for Grants (Gen.). APRIL 25. 1990 Discussion under 604 1990-91 Min. of Home Affairs Rule 193 Communal situation in countty [Sh. Mufti Mohammad Sayeed} SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEEO: First Jharkhand Mukti Morcha... (/nte"up- elements. People converge at a place and tions) challenge the Government to arrest them. SHRI P. CHIOAMBARAM: I. will put only [Eng/ish] one question. Is it correct that All Jharkhand Students Union was invited to the last dis- I must say that we are seriously concerned cussion, which was held in March and they about the situation in Assam. I had a number came here, stayed for three days, but re- of meetings with the Chief Minister of Assam fused to participate in the meeting called by and with the Home Minister of Assam. Also the Prime Minister and byyou? Is it correct- we had a meeting with the Prime Minister. I I do not know I am asking you-that they must say that the situation is deteriorating have not been invited for today's discus- and the Assam Government is in a situation sion? Is it correct that they have not attended of drift. There is a slackness. We havetotalk today's discussion? Please tell us as to who to them and make them feel that Assam has attended and as to who has not at- being the nerve centre of the North East we tended. cannot afford any slackness. We have to revamp the administration. Rather we have SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED: to add to the security forces. We have to Certainly they have been invited. save the situation politically. 17.00 hrs. [ Translation]
[ Translation] We know that the situation in Assam is not good. We are thinking of taking appropriate As far as Delhi is concerned, you are aware steps in this regard. that Delhi had an Assembly. There is a long standing demand that it should be granted There were references to some other statehood. points also, such as the Jharkhand demand. [English] [English]
Delhi is the Capital of the country. It is We had a meeting with the people of necessary that the Central Government Jharkhand area today, especially tribals. should have supremacy and it has the su- They are thinking that there is a danger to premacy. We have this proposal under the their cuhural identity.. As far as their land is consideration of the Cabinet. Home Ministry concerned, that is being encouraged. They has submitted a proposal. It will be a special are not being involved in the developmental State. Whatever is mentioned in the Consti- process. They are demanding a statehood. tution, the Central Government. State Gov- The previous Government had constituted a ernment, Union Territories; Delhi will be a Committee. It had given us a position report. Special State and the Centre will be instruct- There are some suggestions in ·it. We are ing it, and we will be bringing legislation for having a discussion with them. We will not that Special" State during the current Ses- stagger the discussion. We will try to find sion. some solution... (Interruptions)
17.01 hr•• SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM (Sivaganga): Which groups are discussing? (MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chaiij 605 Oem. for Grants (Gen.), VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Discussion under 606 1990-91 Min. of Home Affairs Rule 193 Communal situation in country [ Translation] that policy. Now, the Deputy Commissioner can issue the licences for the entire State. AN HON. MEMBER: By what time it will For a person who has to come from Ghazia- be done? bad to Delhi, he has to use his gun, or whatever arms he has, for his protection. In SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED: order to check infiltration, the Government of During this session itself. India has requested the State Governments to take certain measures with regard to the [Eng/ish1 people living in border areas from Assam to Kashmir. The objectives of the Scheme are AN HON. MEMBER: What about An- as follows: To register bonafide residents; to daman and Nicobar Islands? collect reliable information regarding steps of residents; and to check the movement of SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED: visitors who stay for more than thirty days. Andaman and Nicobar Islands is Centrally- The money for the whole scheme will be administered temtory. given by the Central Government-ninety per cent grants-in-aid anc.i ten per cent loan. AN HON. MEMBER: Are you bringing a The amounts sanctioned to the State Gov- Bill about Andaman and Nlcobar Islands ernments which are acting upon the are: also alongwith Delhi? Aajasthan As. 891akhs SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED: No. There is a recommendation for a special Gujarat As. 241akhs State by the Sarkaria Commission. There is a Cabinet Sub-Committee for considering Punjab As. 35 lakhs the recommendations, and one of the major recommendation of the Sarkaria Commis- Jammu and Kashmir RS.15lakhs sion that is, setting up of Inter-State Council under Article 263 had been accepted by the We have requested other State Gov- Government and notification will be issued ... ernments, including Bengal and Assam, ( Interruptions) which are bordering Bangladesh and Paki- stan, to prepare a scheme in order to identify Then, many hon. Members mentioned who are local people and who are non-local about the role of the Governor. One of the people. Members also mentioned about the freedom fighters. I think Shri Santosh Mohan Dev Then, there is a threat of secession. also said something. I will give you the de- There are divisive forces. Bec~use of details. The number of cases of Freedom Fight- fects in our system, there has been a Naxal- ers received upto 31.3.82 was 4,46,000. ite movement in West Bengal. Then the Cases sanctioned upto 30 March, 1 990 were Governmentfaced it. Now in Andhra Pradesh 1,55,866. Somebody said the present Gov- and Bihar, many of the areas are affected by ernment has not sanctioned any case. Cases thethreatof Naxalism. But I must saythatthe sanctioned by the present Government from Andhra Pradesh Government has adopted a 1.12.89 to 31.3.90 are 2957. liberal, rather humanist, attitude to tackle the problem. The Chief Minister of the State has Then, something was said about the withdrawn the Disturbed Area Act. This band licencing Policy of the prevIous Govern- of Greyhounds-I do not know whether that ment. The District Magistrate was author- is some body wh ich is just looking after those ised to issue arms licences for the District people who are involved-have agreed to and th~ State Governments were authorised release the under-trials and the Chief Minis- to issue licences for the whole State or for ter has requested them that they should more than one District. But, we have relaxed have a dialogue with the State Government. 607 Oem. for Grants (Gen.), APRIL 25, 1990 Discussion under 608 1990-91 Min. of Home Affairs Rule 193 Communal situation in country [Sh. Mufti Mohammad Sayeed] are still there in every village and town.
So. he is tackling the problem in his own way. [English)
Shri Rupchand Pal referred to the need It was the writ of the militants which was for provision of adequate funds for the devel- running. opment of squatters' colonies in West Ben- gal. There is a detail as of how many colonies [ Translatiop) have been there and how much fund has been given. About the same displaced per- Such attempts should be curbed. The sons in Dandakarnya. full detail is given. It administration took up the. challenge and will take much of my time if I go into the apprehended the culprits coming from across details. But there is a detail and the position the border and seized the arms and ammu· is as follows. 25.231 families of such dis- nition, they were carrying. It foiled the sinis- placed persons have been settled in Dan- ter designs of Pakistan. There has not been dakarnya area. For them. 25.173 houses a single day when people coming from across have been constructed, 2,308 kilometres of the Pakistan border were not apprehended roads have been provided. 393 primary. and arms, etc .. were not seized from them. middle and higher-secondary schools have been provided. six hospitals and six Primary (English] Health Centres have been provided. and other measures have been taken. 143 militants were arrested, one rocket launcher. 29 AK-47 rifles. 35 pistols. 22 Kg. Lastly. I come to Kashmir. I must say of explosives. 3439 rounds of ammunitions. that there is a distinct improvement in the 4 rockets. Kashmir situation. I must saythattheJammu and Kashmir Governor had to function in a ( Trans/ation] vacuum. At the time he took over. there was complete alienation of people. So, he has You can verify. I will not say anything done a commendable job. He has created a wro:",g. He worked in an atmosphere in which nucleus ... (Interruptions) there was no source to provide intelligence support. AN HON. MEMBER: We cannot accept it. [Eng/ish]
SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED: I must say now that the authority of admini- Whatever is my feeling. 1 must say. Your stration has been restored in Kashmir valley. feeling I do not share. I must say what I see ... I can say it very confidently. (Interruptions) [ Translation] [ Translation] But it is not at all the ultimate thing. The The situation in Jammu and Kashmir people cannot be prevented. These are my was highly explosive. He went there at a time feelings. My hon. friend~ talk here of Article when there was no cooperation between the 370. Article 370 is not there in Assam. It is not administration and the people. there in Punjab and T6lengana. Why do the people of these States feel themselves al- He raised an edifice and met the chal- ienated? lenge of terrorism. , cannot agree that in JamfTlu and Kashmir. Pro-Indian people and [Eng/ish] people who have a nationalist outlook have totally disappeared. I am of the view that they There is no Article 370 there. 609 Oem. for Grants (Gen.), VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Discussion under 610 1990-91 Min. of Home Affairs Rule 193 Communal situation in country (Translation] paned.
Everybody is responsible for the i.1cidents [English] taking place in Kashmir. You are also responsible. They say that they live in demo- Shri V.P. Singh and the Janata Oal will cratic India. continue to rule as long as they have the moral authority to serve the people of India. [English] [ Trans/ationJ Article 370 never came in the way of Ka- shmir's integration with the rest of the coun- It is my belief that we are not here on try. your mercy or for that matter on the mercy of anybody else .• [ Translation] [fnglish] Ultimately, what IS there In KashmIr. We have to wIn the confidence of the people in We are here on the verdict of the people of Kashmir. India.
[English] [ Trans/ation]
We live In democratIc IndIa. but we were They had become worthless by sitting on the denied the freedom of chaSIng our own treasury benches. Now sitting in opposition, Government. I was also responsible for that. they should go to the root. What regard they had for the Congress philosophy. What [ Translation] regards they had for Gandhi Ji, Pandit Nehru, Maulana Abul Kalam Azad? What have they SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA (South done for enriching these values? Now let Delhi): What had Pandlt Nehru said? them see where they stand? Let them try to understand the mistakes they have commit- SHAI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED: ted. It will take time. They will have to wait for Khurana Saheb. Lenin had introduced a that hour. What I want to say is that as far as system in USSR under which the owner of the situation in Kashmir is concerned. the land should get possessIOn of his land and people who wanted to work be given [English] work. But, you see the phenomenon prevail- Ing there at present. The people want their the tirst priority is the restoration of authority identity to be recognised. Earlier also I had of administration. If all the nationalist forres, said that this countrY'has to be kept united the main NC, the Congress and otherfc. ;es and we have to march forward taking all the go together shoulder to shoulder and try to people together. bring normally, I am confidentthatthe people of Kashmir will start their journey back to the SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: Also mainstream. I have no doubt about that. tackle Punjab, please. [ Trans/ation] SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED: It is not a weak Government. We will also They will come back again. They will go tackle Punjab. The Congress Party was the nowhere. I am grateful to the hon. Members ruling party having 413 Members on the who participated in the discussion and ex- Treasury Benches. But today the Party is pressed their views. As regards the cut sitting in the opposition. How did it happen? motions, I assure the hon. Members that I Did anybody ever think of it? But it hap- . shall give reply to one and all and every point 611 Oem. for Grants APRIL 25, 1990 Min.o( 612 (Gen.), 1990-91 Home Affairs [Sh. Mufti Mohammad Sayeed] your seats. First you take your seats.
will be taken due note of. So far as the Well, we can, in the House, very well differences which have developed among realise that the activities of the Home minis- the people in the valley, we will go there try are so widespread and they relate and during Id and the situation wi" be reviewed in touch so many things in the life of the people the State Development Council. The hon. in this country that it would be difficult eve for Members will also be requested to accom- us to discuss all the aspects relating to the pany. activities of the Home Ministry even if we discuss it for 10 hours or ~ 2 hours. So, some [English} of the Members are bound to feel that what they wanted to s~ they had no opportunity. SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM (Sivaganga): . We do realise the anxiety in their hearts ad Sir,l did not participate in the debate. I don't the desire in their hearts. But at the same ' propose to use this opportunity to particIpate time, if there are one or two questions to be in this. But I just want to ask one or two answered by the members, it is a practice questions. (Interruptions) that we allow them. I am going to allow only two orthre~questions to be asked, one from [Translation] each party.
SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: We AN HON. MEMBER: Only Independ- should also be given an opportunity to speak ents. on this ~sue. MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: And the In- [English] dependent Member also.
MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: He says he AN HON. MEMBER: The Chair has has not finished. Mr. Minister, have you already committed. (Interruptions) finished? MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: Please sit SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED: down. I was also following the debate in the Yes, I have finished. (Interruptions). House. First , will allow the Independent member to express his views and the one or two other Members from the parties, not two members from one Party. but one Member 17.17 hrs. from one Party and one or two Members in all. Please understand our difficulty and DEMANDS FOR GRANTS (GENERAL), please cooperate. (Interruptions). ~ 990-9~ MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: MR. Chidam- Ministry of Home Affairs-CON TO. baram, I will call y.ou. I will first ask the Independent Member, Shri Kankar Munjare, { Translation} to please ask ff he has anything to ask. ( Interruptions) SHRI YADVENORA DATI: MR. Dep- uty Speaker, it was decided in the house that [Translation] an opportunity will be given to an Independ- ent Member to speak afterthe speech of Shri Mufti Mohammad Sayeed. (Interruptions) SHRI KANKAR MUNJARE (Balaghat): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, poor farmers and [English) labourers are detained under section 107. 116 and 109 of the CrPC. in our country. Is MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: Please take the Govemmen1 considering to abolish such 613 Oem. for Grants VAISAKHA5, 1912 (SAKA) Min. of 614 (Gen. J, 1990-91 Home Affairs detention laws and section 151? daily life of the people has become miserable. I would like to know from the hon. The Government has changed but the Minister of Home Affairs whether, earlier to it system is not changing. The issue of atroci- when I was no not provided an opportunity to ties committed on a Member of Parliament of speak .... (Interruptions) .... the Congress i a Madras jail in the recent past, had been raised here. We are social- MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now an ists and we have raised similar issues for opportunity has been provided to you to several times here because we have feel- express your views. ings for it but our han. friends have now felt this pain for the first time. That is why they SHRI KANKAR MUNJARE: Mr. Deputy have raised this issue. This type of atrocities Speaker, Sir, I am very grateful to you for should be brought to an end. I would like to providing me an opportunity to speak. Three know from the han. Minister of Home Affairs months back when the people were holding whether he IS genuinely interested in bring- demonstrations and sitting on dharna, they Ing an end to such atrocities as are being were not allowed to express their views and committed arbitrarily on the people? lathis were being wielded on them which r~sulted in further deterioration of the situ- The second thing is that an han. Mem- ation and people started indulging in terrorist ber has just asked a question on Punjab activities. Today terrorists are not even pre- stating whether the Government wants to pared to come forward for a talk. All the Improve situation In Punjab? All the han. citizens whether she is the daughter of the. Members are equally concerned about it and han. Minister of Home Affairs or of an ordi- they have said that the situation has taken a nary labourer, should be treated equally. very serious turn there. I know that th_is Here it may be noted that five terrorists had problem has not been created by this Gov- been released to save the life of the daughter ernment. Everybody knows as to who are of the han. Minister of Home Affairs. No responsible for ft. However, if we do not take doubt, everybody feels sad and concerned any action on this Issue. it win not SOIVA the when life of one's daughter is in danger as problem. Effective steps are needed to be everybody's life is precious but both of them taken in this regard. There are problems of should be treated equally. One should not electricity and water In Punjab. These should hesitate to sacrifice one's life for the unite also.be solved. Besides, educated persons and integrity of the country, if a need of the are also not getting any employment oppor- same arises. But i1 should not be happen that tUOIties. Fields have become smaller and it is five hard-core terrorists are released to save Torthat reason that the educated youth is not the life of one person and no action is taken getting job even in the fields. These young in the case of the other and the persons like persons have started indulging in terrorist Mr. Khera and the Vice Chancellor are al- activities for want of lob. Is the Government lowed to be killed by the terr_orists.ft will formulating a time bound programme to shatter the faith of should adopt such poli- control these activities? What is the stand of cies so that the faith of the people and the the Government about Shri Atinder Pal Singh country that they have put in the Govern- who has been elected by the people as their ment, is strengthened. representative to the Parliament? SHRI VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA Terrorist activities are there on Increase (Delhi Sadar): For how long we shall have to and separatists ele",ents are also becoming sit here? Will this House sit late today? ,ncreasing by active in Kashmir. Mr. George Fernandes has also stated that about 400 [English] people are being imparted terrorist training there. It is something very serious. With MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You will re- these activities going on in these parts, the strain from making such comments like this. 615 Dem for Grants APRil 25, 1990 Mm. of 616 (Gen),1990-91 Home AffairS We have to handle the situatIOn In the House ance for the same Only the Sarkana Com- after taking the sense of the House Into miSSion had recommended to gIVe It the account It wIll be wIse for the Members not status of a special state I e something In to comment like thiS between a Unton Territory and the full fledged state All the parties had rejected that for- Shn P Chldambaram mula Is the Government backing out a Its promIses by making a proposal forthe status SHRt P CHtDAMBARAM (Slvaganga) of a speCial state or IS It gOing to confer the What IS the Home MInister's comment on the status of complete statehood on Deihl? recent statement by Mr Mann including his statemem that In case of war, he Will call SHRt MITRA SEN YADAV (Falzabad) upon the Communrty In Punjab not to sup- Mr Deputy Speaker, Sir, through you, \ port thiS country would like to ask the hon Minister of Home Affairs whether the Government propose to Second question IS has the Home enact a lawto maintain status quo In respect MInister seen the report of the Com mrttee for of all the temples mosques and gurudwaras an 'nltlatlve on Kashmir the report of the of the country and not to allow nobody to PUCL and the report In the latest Issue of the encroach up on the religiOUS places of other TIme magazine Apnl16 All the reports say religions be It a temple of Mathura, Banaras that 5,000 Muslims have mtgrated to Pakl or Ayodhya or some mosque (lnterrup stan Occupted Kashmir and there IS a great tlons) I would also like to know whether deal of brutality and oppression by the para Government IS gOing to Implement the rec military forces In Kashmir ommendatlons of the Mandai Commission
In Tamil Nadu, today a net work of Lib SHAI SUAYA NARAYAN YADAV eratlOn Ttgers has been bUilt up With the (Saharsa) MR Deputy Speaker, SIT the actIVe support Government of Tamil Nadu han Mlnlsterdurtngthecourseof hiS speech The Tamil fishermen from India who cross has said that Government would ban the the sea are taken Into custody by L TIE practice of sticking bills containing commu whereas the L TIE people have free access nal slogans on the walls In thiS context I to the borders of Tamil Nadu There are no would like to know from hiS whether they are visas There are no entry regulations Your planntng to ban the use of loudspeakers also ImmgratlOn authontles have no control In religiOUS places hke temples mosques whatsoever The L TIE people come In etc (InterruptIons) whenever they like and go out They have got arms and ammunrtlOn depots What IS [English J your posrtlon on that? Are you go 109 to allow the network of armed foreigners to set up MA DEPUTY-SPEAKER You are a camps In Tamil Nadu? sentor Member You should help me rTrans/atlon J ( InterruptIOns)
SHRI VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA PROF N G RANGA (Guntur), When (Deihl Sadar} Mr Deputy Speaker. Sir, I you allow the smaller groups, you should would like to know from the han Minister of allow more than one from our Party In view of Home Affairs whether Government Will flJlf,1l rts strength Please allow him (Interrup- the promIses of the Prime Mlntster made In tIons) and out Side thiS House to conter statehood on Deihl Recently In a meeting at the Janata [ Translation J Oal, the hon Home Mlntster had made a promise In thiS regard and also In thelf elec SHRI BHAJAN LAL (Fandabad) MR tlon manrfesto they had held out an assur- Deputy Speaker. Sir, I have two questions to 617 Oem. for Grants VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Min. of 618 (Gen.), 1990·91 Home Affairs put to the hon. Minister First, he has not MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You must clarified the position of Punjab. In case the cooperate with us. Otherwise there will be no situation in Punjab does not improve whether end to it. You please take your seat, I am on the President Rule will be extended there or my legs. not, he has said that they may hold elections in Punjab. But if the position does not im- ( Interruptions) prove and elections are held, then I am afraid the situation will further deteriorate. I urge MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: You have upon the hon. Minister to clarify the position. already mad your points earlier. Neverthe· less, if you have any other points to raise, My second point is that 16 officers have pleas give them in writing. We will request been transferred from asingledistrict namely, the hon. Minister to reply, which is a normal Sirsa in Haryana after the announcement of practice also. elections. They are: ( Interruptions) {English] MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: No, I will not DC, SP, SE (Irrigation), SE (Electrrcity) allow you. You have already spoken. District Revenue Officer. District Educational Officer, District Development Panchayat (Interruptions) Officer, BOOs. 000. Tahsildars, Naib Tehsil- dars. etc. [English]
(Interruptions) SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED: The han. Member suggested that there [Translation] should be amendment j Cr. P.lthink all these Sections are necessary. They have their Insplte of the restrictions Imposed by utility. There is no question of amending the Election Commission, sixteen officers these. have been transferred from Sirsa from where the Chief Minister of Haryana IS to contest About the statement of Mr. Mann that the election. The han. Home Minister must there should be a plebiscite and it should be clarify this. under UN auspices, the statement is very deplorable and we have been abundantly lastly, I want to say that the Govern- dearthat whenever there is dialogue that will ment of India has sent a latter to all states 'be within the constitutional framework. which say that the renewal of all India licences of revolvers and guns should be About human rights, you say there is a done only for the district. This has created a report in Time magazine that there is some great problem for the people. Suppose a refugee camp POK. I must say that refugee person travels from Delhi to Allahabad then camp is a cover for giving training to the on the way he has to pass through a number Kashmiri militants. That is aeaver. They say of districts. (Interruptions) there are refugees. There is no question of any Kashmiri leaving Kashmir and going to Pakistan. My request is that they should remove this restriction and allow the renewal of all Then you said about entry of some India licences on all India basis. If the re- people from l TIE Organisation coming with· newal is only for the district where will the out any reserve. I will look intothe matter and owner keep his gun? issue instructions.
(Interruptions) Shri Vijay Kumar Malhotra said about 619 D9m. lor Grants APRIL 25, 1990 Min. of 620 (GtIn.).1990-91 Hom9Affa;rs [Sh. Mufti Mohammad Sayeed] ( IntllmJptions)
Delhi Statehood. We said that Janata Oat MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Mr. Chidam- leadership has made a commitment. But I baram, you know that the Minister cannot be discussed It with Shn L.K. Advanl and Shri compelled to answer. Atal Bihari VaJpayee. CPI and CPM that Deihl being the capital of the country, there SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Please ask should not be any confrontation him to reply.
It will be a full-fledged State. It will be a MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Not ow. You Special kmd of a Sta1e where some owners, please hand it over later on. You can hand it we have to have wrth the Central Govern- over. ment. ConstitutIonal amendment is there. ( IntemJptions) About the Punjab electIOns. I am a born optImist But I cannot say anything My [ Translation] hope IS and t am confident that the situatIOn In Punjab WIll Improve. We WIll be haVing MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: Shri Bhajan electIons within a short time (InterruptIOns) Lal, you nave already made your point.
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SHRI MITRA SEN YADAV. 00 you MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I shall now purpose to enact some law to provide for put all the Cut Motions moved t the Demands restoratIOn of all religIOUS sites for Grants relating to the Ministry of Home Affairs to vote gather. unless any hon SHRI BHAJAN LAl The hon MInister Member deSires that any of nls Cut MotIOns did not say anything about the transgress In may be put separately. Meham ( Int@rruptlOns) SHRI HARISH RAWAT (Almora): Sir, I [English] want my cut MotIOns to be put separatety.
MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER. Now It IS over MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I shatl now BhaJan Lal-II, you have made your point It IS put the Cut Motions moved by Shn Harish more than enough Rawa! beanng Nos 78 to 82,87 and 88, 129 and 130,214 to 216 to the vote of the House ( InterruptIOns) Cur Motions Nos. 78 to 82. 87,88. 129, 130 MR DEPUTY· SPEAKER Now I shall and 214 to 216 were put and negatlVlICi put all the Cut Mo!lons .18 lhe vote of the House MR DEPUTY·SPEAKER: Does any other hon. Member want 10 move hiS Cut ( InterruptIOns) MotIOn separately? .. I think no hon. Member wants to move h,s Cut MotIOn separately. I SHRI P CHIOAMBARAM Sir, he has shall now put all the other Cut Motions moved not answered my questron , 6 senIOr offt- to the vote of the House. cers have been transferred from Sirsa I want a reply (InterruptIOns) Cut Motions Nos. 45 to 59.65 to 77, 83 to 86, 126, 127, 131. 132, 162, 163. 169 and MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You can~t 207 W9T9 put and nsgativfld compelltke thIS. You were a Mlntster and you are a sentor Member. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I shall now 621 Oem. lor Grants VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Min. of 622 (Gen.),1990-91 Home Affairs put the Demands tor Grants relating to the dated Fund of India to compJete the Ministry of Home Affairs to vote. sums necessary to defray the charges that will come in course of payment The question is: during the year ending the 31 st day of march, 1991 in respect of the heads of Demands entered in the second col- "That the respective sums not exceed- umn thereof against Demand Nos. 42 ing the amount on Revenu~ Account to 46 and 90 to 95, relating to the and CaprtalAccountshown in the fourth Ministry of Home Affairs." coloumn of the order Paper be granted to the President. out of the Consoli- The Motion was adopted Min. of 624 623 Oem. for Grants APRIL 25. 1990 Home Affairs (Gtm. J. 1990-91
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(Eng/ish1 The economic atrocities include dispos- sessing them of their land, not giving them MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: While you minimum statutory wages, forcing them to speak, you can make the same point in your become bonded labourer, etc. Political atroci- speech. That will look more gracefut. ties include to prevent them from casting their vote during elections, etc. There are f Translation) several people belonging to the Scheduled Castes and Tribes who have not cast their PROF. VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA vote even once during the last 'orty two (Delhi Sadar): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, 'rise years. The root cause of this social and 629 Discussion under VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Atrocities on 630 Rule 193 S.C. & S.T. economic injustice prevailing in our society uled castes and scheduled tribes respeC- is our birth based caste system. Ifeelthat the tively. were registered. Hindu society should in no uncertain terms declare that the Birth-Based caste system Mr. Deputy Speaker. Sir, though such a has no place in our society. large number of atrocities is lamentable, it is even more regrettable that the culprits or Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we do not find guilty of such offences often go scot-free. In any mention of this caste system in Vedas. the previous five years, the percentage of lord Krishna also said in the Geeta that acquittal has been as follows: 1980-70%, caste system should be work based no birth 1981 - 82.5%, 1982 - 89.4% or 90% and based. I many of our scriptures some dis- 1983 - 87.59%. Therefore, on the one hand torted references have been added. in most of the cases of atrocities, the people do not dare to get their cases registered. On These interpolations were added later the other hand, if they get their cases regis- to the texts. I would like to clarify that we have tered, there is 90% acquittal due to lack of no regard for any such interpolation which evidence and !egal assistance. talk of low or high caste on the basis of birth or for a temple which prohibits the enter of a The Prevention of Atrocities against particular class or even for the Shankara- Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes charya who upholds such a view. Act has come into force on 30th January.
This gives sufficient powers. ThereforeL if I am pleased to note that the organisa- Government tries, it can put an end to all tions like Vishwa Hindu Parishad. Arya Samaj such atrocities and injustices very soon. Mr. or other Sanatan Dharma institutions have Deputy Speaker, Sir, these atrocities are refused to accept the birth based case con- continuing despite the adequate powers cept of human beings. Mr. Deputy Speaker, already available in the existing laws like, Sir, according to 1981 census, the popula- Protection of Civil Rights Act and various tion of Scheduled Caste in India is 10.6 sections of 'India Penal Code.' The same creres that is 15.47%. The population of position is continuing even after the 4th Scheduled Tribes is 5.38 crores. 'Their total month of the enforcement of this Act. No population works out to about 16 crores, that actIOn has been taken in a single case under is more then 23% But if you look at the the provisions of this Act either in states literacy level. the literacy percentage among ruled by the congress Party or in States ruled of scheduled castes is 21.38 and that among by oth9r parties. By now, several cases scheduled tribes 16.3 as against 41.3 for the should have been booked and action taken rest. Among the womenfolk the situation is as this act provides for imprisonment from 6 even worse as only 10"k of them are able to months to 5 years for 24 various crimes and get some kind of eduction or training. the atrocities like preventing them from voting, scheduled caste people constitute 67% of denying them a dignified life and forcing the total drop-outs at primary level and 85% them to carry human refuse or eat human at higher secondary level and in the case of excreta and not allowing to play band in scheduled tribes, it IS as much as 91.65%. marriages. etc. But such incidents still con- According to a national survey, SS% of the tinue and there is no action despite the fact total bonded labourers are from scheduled that this act provides for punishment of even castes. those authorities, who ignore the crimes and do nol take action. There is also a provision As per the atrocities, during the period in the Act for setting up of special courts in 1981-86, at least 91097 cases of atrocities every district which shall exclusively deal on scheduled castes people were reported with these criminal cases. But. instead of out of which 3200 cases were of murders trying the cases specially related to sched- and 4000 of rapes. In the year 1988-89, uled castes, they are trying other cases. , 15000 and 3000 cases of atrocities on sched- think that these COIJrts should try only the 631 DIScussion under APRIL 25, 1990 Atrociti9S on 632 Rule 193 S.C. & S.T. cases of atrocities on SCIST constitute a separate Ministry for the Sched- uled Castes and Scheduled Tribes but noth- It IS a matter of great surpnse that the mg has been done to Constitute a separate people belongmg to scheduled castes or Mintstry for them. Many a developmental scheduled tribeS are not recrurted In any works can be taken up for the SCs and STs regiment of Arrry even today except In Mahar once thiS MInistry is constituted. Trouble regiment of Maharashtra They are unable to spots where these people are after sub- JOin other regiments like Jat, Rajputana or Jected to atrocities can be tdentifled and Sikh regIments ofhcials belonging to SC and ST posted in such areas so as to curb the recurrence of (Eng/ish1 injustICe and atrocities that are beIng committed on them now. thIS WIll help to bring an MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER I think, you end to such IncIdents have to check It There IS no recruitment on the basis of caste I want to say somethmg about land retorms also. ThiS Act IS not being Imple- [ TranslatIOn] mented through out the oountry and the land IS not being distributed amongst Hartjans SHRI VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA They have been relegated to the poSitIOn of know it. There may be offICers In these bonded labourers or the farm-labourers If regiments I am trying to explain how SC'ST any land IS given to them, It IS taken back people are not recruited tothe armed forces subsequently At the time of Initiating land reforms, there was a total estimated surplus [English] land 5426120 acres In India Out of that the declared surplus was 4474852 acres whereas the possessIOn of 3124014 acres MR DEPUTY -SPEAKER Recruitment of land was taken and of that only 2261415 on the baSIS ot caste IS not done I am gIVIng acres of land was d,stnbuted. Thus, less you fl(st hand Information You please check than half of the total surplus land was dIstrib- It up uted Thus, less than half of the total surplus land was dIstributed among them The nch [ TranslatIOn] and the influentIal people have usurped that land Therefore, there have been no land SHRI JAG PAL SINGH (Hardwar) The reforms In the true sense of the word. The contentIOn of Shn Malhotra IS that thiS IS not Han}8ns are restrained frc'll establishing done In a=tual practice theIr propnetary rights over the lands distributed to them under the Land Reforms Act PROF VUAY KUMAR MALHOTRA Therefore, there IS need give them phYSical They can be taken as officers I am saying possessIOn of land by enforCIng thiS act In th,s atter checkIng that prOVISIOn The people the strICt sense of the word. I woukt also like bek>nglng to Scheduled Castes and Sched- to say that there are other aspects like how uled Tnbes will be able to fIght agatnst the to Impart education and prOVide reserva- atrocities and InjustICe Inflicted upon them tions In jObs for these people, which also only if they are recrurted In the army because need to be considered. The main reason they win be trained to check and repulse behind the InflictIOn of atrocities and injustice such offences and after retirement will be upon them IS that the higher castes restrain able to free their respectIve areas from such these people from becoming conscIOus of atrOCIties TheIr member In the army IS neg- their rights and taking steps to protect those ligible anq there IS need for Improvement In nghts. To arouse consciousness among that. them, It is necessary to provide them justice from economic, social and political angle. For years, there has been a demand to The allegatIOn that loans are not given to the 833 Discussion under VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Atrocities on 634 Rul8 193 S.C. & S.T. ses a~ STs for buying plots of land or confer special rights upon them. They should constructing houses is true. You will find that be given more facilities and amenities apart pipelines for carrying water are not laid from those that have been denied to them beyond the point wherefrom a Harijan local- since indepence so a to bring them at par ity starts. The sama formula applies to provi- with the rest of the nation. I would like to sion of electricity as well. Mr. Deputy Speaker, submit that in view of Dr." Ambedkar's cen- Sir, what can be more shameful for us than tenary next year, let us unitedly endeavourto to deprive them from a dignified living, to put an end to the injustice and torture meted keep them backward and confine them to out to ·them otherwise it will be a matter of their hutments by not distributing plots of shame for us. This injustice is a social stigma lands among them tor constructing houses? that needs to be eradicated at any cost. Our For the last 40 years, Congr~ss or any other country cannot proposer again if the SC & party that came to p_1wer from time to time ST people become part and parcel of our has been continuously making false prom- society like others and enjoy equal rights. ises to them but the evil doers have not let up With these words. I initiate the discussion. the extent of atrocities and they have been enduring them Whether it is the incident of SHRI DllEEP SINGH BHURIA Belchi or Sayeedpur or it is the incident of (Jhabua): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, hon. Shivpuri, where the Harijan women were Vijay Kumar Malhotra has made very good forced to dance naked, this is unberoming points. Atrocities are being perpetrated on and objectionable and goes against human- Harijans and Adivasis since long and it is. a ity. This practice has been prevalent there matter of shame that we are discussing it for decades and it has been never checked. after a long interval. On the one hand. we say h is now that the need to take steps against that all men are equal; we shall co-exist it has been felt. peacefully and everyone shall have the opportunity to progress. This is the canon of Mr. Deputy Speaker. Sir. I would like to the socialistic pattern of society. While on the submit that the whole House should unani- ather hand. we hear of torture a~ rape mously take the viewtha1 this country cannot committed at a certain place and the people achieve national unity and integrity it any oppressed there. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I section of our society remains oppressed, would like to tell this House that the Govern- depressed or exploited and cases of atroci- ment has enacted many laws for the ties continue against them. h has become upliftment of Harijans and Adivasis but they necessary to put an end to the atrocities and are implemented and enforced in letter and injustice committed against SCs and STs spirit. The aid and assistance meant for them and to open the avenues of development to is pocketed by other persons and the protec- them in order to bring about national unity tors of law and order do not ensure the and integrity. In view of Dr. Ambedkar's exercise of rights ley them in the true sense centenary next year, if justice is not done to of the term. It a person is given a lease of them this year as per the provisions of the land. he is unable to get the possession of new Act meant to provide social and ec0- the land so leased because all means are nomic justice to SCs and STs, when shall it barred to him. be done? If there is a provision for constituting courts of justice for them it should be Many a schemes for the upliftment of accomplished. All the parties as also the these people are there but due to corruption people of the country should come together and other malpractices, these people have and join hands in a bid to bring these op- not' been able to achieve the eoonomic pressed people at p~r with t':le ~est of the upliftment to the desired extent. There has peopta of the country. To achieve this end. b&en no improvement in their standard of the mere provision of equal rights will not living, particularly in the village. The feudal suffice. They have been oppressed for thou- ~nd-Iords and other affluent people of the sands of years and there is, as such, need to villages always tend to oppress the harijans 635 Discussion under APRIL 25, 1990 Atrocities on 636 Rule 193 S.C. & S. T. [Sh. Dlleep Smgh Bhuna ) Secondly, I fail to understand as to what sort of traIning IS imparted to our police personnel and the tnbals and grab theIr lands on one that Insplte of our prolonged discussions on pretext or the other. This has become the the Issues, it does not have any impact on mental disposition of everyone Equal rrghts them and they never act according to the have been guaranteed to every citizen of prOVISIOns of the law. The polICe always ,ndependent IndIa but even today the thInk- stands by the rich and they never come to the Ing of these people has not undergone any rescue of the poor and the down-trodden. change Even today, the tendency of feudal There was also a drred up pond In the afore- exploitation IS prevalent rn our vIllages and saId VIllage and when the tribals made a p«)pIe are explorted Democracy IS replete demand for use of that pond, that very per- wtth laws but they are used to safe-guard the son reSisted and claimed that the pond be- Interests of the rich and this IS why such longed to him. Even the polrce supported Imbalances are created As han Malhotra him I fact. the entire local administration and SahIb just narrated the IncIdent of Shlvpuri. bureaucrats supported him. The democratic I would Irke to say that rt was the practIce system In our country IS gradually degener- adopted by the people belongrng upper ating to such an extent that only the rtch are castes of Village salaiya. District Shlvpurr to being benefIted by It. Now the question IS as make It HanJan women walk named with to how to tackle the people haVing money them In the rally on the day of Hall ThIs IS and muscle power and bring them on the extremely shameful for us ThIS IS extremely rtght path If we succeed In changing the shameful10r us These women were beaten mentalrty of these people, I am sure that In and tortured with lathls and daggers when future, such diSCUSSions would not be re- they obJeded to It Such a situation IS very qUired Here. I would like nerther to blame a frightening Now the questIon IS how to avert partICular person on the polrticallevel nor to such srtuattons We want the Government to give It a polrtlCal tinge but I would Irke to take tough stand In such matters and deal submrt that In Ollr country. a number of wrth the culprtts who take law and order In commiSSIOns had been set up, whICh sub- theIr hands. WIth an Iron hand and award mitted theIr reports to the Government. There them deterrent punIshment so that they may IS also one such committee of Parhament deSIst from torturing the adlvasls Only then called the Committee on the Welfare .of the srtuatlOn can be Improved 11 IS also a fact Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Trrbes that we cannot change the psyche of the which has presented a numberof reports but society merely by enacting laws The adlva- to thiS day, there has been no diSCUSSIOn on SIS of Village Hadmatlya of Udaipur In RaJast- any of Its reports In Parliament. I would like ha~ had also to face such a situation There to make a demand that there sho'Jld be a also It was a land dispute There a person diSCUSSIOn In thiS House on the reports named T aswuk Hussain grabbed Illegally subm rtted by thiS Committee and also on the 500 blQhas of land belonging to HarrJans and reports submitted by other commiSSIOns. Adrvasls When the trlbals protested against The Government should have a clear out- It and wanted to know the prOVIsion In the law look In thiS regard A large number of reports under whICh theIr land had been occupied by of vanous commISSions are lYIng with us but some other persons that person called the to thiS date, there has not been any dISCUS- polICe and the tnbals were beaten up by the sIOn on any of these report; the Government polrce and he himself too thrashed them have not cared to look Into the contents of The tribals were beaten up so mercilessly these reports, they did not take pains to that to thiS date the people of these areas are know as to what guidelines they had sug- terror stricken and all the tnbals are flrght- gested Government have not come forward ened. In addition to that he, In collUSIOn wrth with a statement to say whether it was pre- the police regIStered a case.against 43 trlbals. pared to execute them. Our Minister of State What I mean to say IS that the Harijans and in the Ministry of Home Affairs ;s a compe- Adivasis in this country are poor and week. tent and young person, he should make 637 Discussion under VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Atrocities on 638 Ru19193 S.C. & S.T. some effort£; in this direction and arrange of Delhi even after a period of 100 years. A discuss;ons on these reports. wide gap can be distinctfy seen between Delhi and our villages. Today. we do not see Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, most of dis- a ray of hope in resped of these vilages. putes relate to land. The tribals are not Thus, we should not look at it from the angle prepared to part with their land and thus at of a particular political party. If you continue the root of the most of the disputes, there is to see it that way, you will never be in a land. In respect of the tribal areas, the State position to bring an end to the atrocities Governments have enacted sevelal laws being committed on Harijans and Adivasis. under which land belonging 10 Adivasis and Hari;an cannot be tahen by a non-tribal. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, some inci- Even if somebody takes possession of such dents had taken place during the pre and a land, legal actIOn would be taken against post election periods. As you are aware that him. Hence the peOple reSiding in such ar- atthat time, a fresh extension of the period of eas, where this sort of law has been en- Reservation was due so just after the as- forced, should be informed abut these provi- sumption of power by the new government sions and it should be publicised- that if the ttie at the centre the Government came out tribal land is OCCUpied by a non-tribal: action with a bill to that effect and got it passed with will be taken against him in the rourt of law the support of all political parties but prior to irrespective 01 the tact that he IS himself the submission of that bill, there was an tilling the land or has illegally occupied the agitation by the people because they were land. This kind of pUblicity is the need of the apprehending that the Government might day. dispense with the provision of reservation. It made them feel very helpless in this regard. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, similar is the Same apprehensions continue to haunt the issue of minimum wages. Although there are minds of these people even after assump- multiple laws In this regard but (111 these laws tion of power by the National Front Govern- are only on paper Nobody follows them. ment. They still fear that this Government That is why at some places, the labourers may do away with the system of reservations are working at a meagre sum of Rs. 500 and In future. As such, I would request the han. in some other places, they are working evenj Home Minister to clear these doubts from as bonded labourers. but even after a period their minds and also to retain the laws as had of so many years of our independence, these been enaded by the earlier Government people are not getting the minimum wages. and which had been supported by the entire Such people are serving the wealthy people country as well as the Harijans plan and and the big Zamindars. But the fact is that Adivasis. Also certain schemes such as the these people take away their land and forci- tribal sub-plan, component had been bly occupy it to be becom e the actual owners launched by the previ>usGovemment. These of it. Moreover, these big people also exploit should be allowed to continue. Similarly, them and thus they have become their there were a number of rural programmes masters. I would. therefore, like to request such as digging of ponds, construction of you to bring about a change in the present roads, schools, Panchayat Ghars etc. which social set up because unless and until such were taken up eartier but are at present lying a change is brought about, we cannot expect abandoned. I would request the Home Min- the solution of any of our problems. Sir, I hall ister to give clear instructions regarding the from a village and when I draw a cmpansion provision of funds in the budget to continue between the village on one hand and Delhi these sChemes so that all these schemes on the other, , find that our villages are still may be implemented smoothly. trailing behind by 100 years in our own country and It cannot be claimed with cer- Mr. Deputy Speaker. Sir. our Govern- tainty that they will be able to achieve the ment had made earnest efforts to clear the present leave of progress and development backlog of vacancies reserved tor the per- 639 D8c:ussion under APRil 25. 1990 ~Gn a.o ,..193 S.C.• S.T. [Sh, DiIeep'Sengh Shuna 1 launched wIhout educational ... of the people haw'.... becaI ___ Adnsidoes sons belonging the Scheduled Castes and not know whtIIher he II atIbdng .. thumb Scheduled Tribes but smoe the present impression for As. 1000 or for~. 10. Be it Government came to power there seems to the Patwari of the village or 8DI'Mbody else. be aorne laxity on their part in thIS maHer and all of them deprive him of a part of monev by a result. doubts have cropped up in the gettmg hIS thumb impression affixed on a minds d the educated people regarding the pI8C8 of paper and fill their pockats. This filing up of vacanaes according 'to their pradice is in vogue to thIS date. I would, reserved quota. I would, therefore. like to therefore, suggest 10 the Government to make a request that the entire backlog as II grve top priority to educate the Adivasis and stands today. should be cleared so that the the HanJans. It will enable them to get their doubtspel'Slstlng In their mInds In thIS regard rights. With these words, I would .e 10 thank are removed all of you.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, S.r, regarding the [English] schemes pertainIng to forest. I would like to teU you that eartler, erther hgars or AdfVaSls SHAI HET RAM (Slrsa): Respected used to we In the lungles Now the forest Deputy Speaker, Sir, after 42 years of Inde- have been totally destroyed and onty the pendence, we are talkmg of atrocrties on AdwaslS are left there and attempts are Han,ans. Actually these are to atl'OCltl8S but betng made to dnve them out of the forests these are comes Earlier the British Govern- Then, where WIll these helpless people go? ment had passed laws to the effect that Now the AdivaslS lIVe on the shrubs, leaves, those who are commrttlng cnmes, may be flowers atc ,I.e forest products and lead a called as cnme tobes, SImilarly those tnbesl peacefull"e In the forests, Now, these tnbals castes who are commftttng cnmes against are betng tagged, at some places as Naxalt, l-tari)Clfl women, ST may be called as crime ties and as terronsts elsewhere tf these tribes. Until and unless we take some bo:d people do not get adequate fuel to cook food steps, women WIn bebumt outside the House to fift their bellies, where WIll they go? You and these atroatleS will contmue on SC& ST should think about them They are nerther Mere d,SCUSSIOn will not help Government naxallbes nor terronsts, they are sImply has to take some strong steps In thIS regard AdrvaSIS and Hari,ans You should prepare schemes for thear upllftment My suggestton IS that we should gIVe greater emphasIS on education. Thl6 year Today, Shn Malhotra provided us with we are celebrattng the centenary of Dr. B. R statistics regarding the percentage of hle;- Ambedkar He belonged to the Scheduled acy. Even after 42 years of Independence. Caste and was an untouchable person. If he the percentage of lIIeracy on paper IS 15 per had touched anybody then he would have cent but ff we go to the villages we WIll find II polluted the society. Even then we are cele- to be less than 5 per cent. We should formu- bratmg hIS centenary. It is because he was a late a time bound programme under whICh scholar I remember the reacton 01 one we shaN educate all the children born In each Negro gll'lln U.S.A., ,men she was asked as and avery kiN1IS1 family at any cost Irra- to what was a heinoUS a'1m8 .n U.S.A. She apectMt of their sex, even if we have to saad, "It IS to be born 81 Negro-, Stm llarly , I spend extra money on them and atso gIVe would say that the heinous crime In Indsa IS extra money to thatr parents. Unless the to be born as an SCIST or a hariJ8l1. I Government makas adequate proVISIOnS In remember, an the Men:han1 of Venice, Shy- 1hts diNctIon. they will not get educatIOn and lock saying. • I can walk WIth you. talk with subeequertly there Wilt not be any progress you but not eat with you.. So. thiS is the In reaped of natIOnal development All the posrtIOn. I don't know how in addition to the dewttopmental profeCts which have been fOur dasses that we have in our society, thIS 641 Discussion under VAISAKHA5, 1912 (SAKA) Atrocities on 642 Rule 193 S.C.'S.T. fifth class of harijans has come into being. Now, we are taking about our NIIIIonaI For .. theM 42 years, there were funds and language, Hindi. We also consider Hindi as laws in this regard, I mean to say that we had our official language. A lot of many is in- all the necessary instruments but we were vested for the development of Hind. A lot of not able to achieve anything. I tell you how money is- also invested for the development this crime tribe came into being. Many people O! English. But what about tribal languages? from plains went to the forests. they hired There are so many important tribal languages, these forests, got them cut and people who like Munderi of Mundas. Aboutten lakh people were living on these forests were forced to are speaking this language. But the Govern- do petty thieving of wood and other forest ment is not spending anything for the devel- produce and were indulged in these small opment of Munderi language bec;wse it is crimes and thus came to be known as crime very poor peoples language. Why are you tribes. They were forced to do petty things. not developing their language? You are only What are they doing now? they are not developing the languages of upper ru~ng trained to do anything. lost their forest and class people. The languages which you are now they are coming to the cities. They are developing are Urdu, Arabic, Sanskrit, Ta- a1so hired and fired. Because of this, again lugu, Malayalam and Tamil. You are not this bonded labour system has started. developing the languages of poor people. You have not made any provision in the Now. I want to say one good thing about Budgetforthed8'llelopment of the languages emergency. During Emergency time, a very _ 4 the Tribes. good thing was done by Shrimati Indira Gandhi. Those who were more free, they Yesterday, when I asked as to what is were put behind the bars. The leaders of the provision in the Budget for the develop- the Opposition were put behind the bars. A ing of language, the reply given to me was law was also enacted for the removal of 'there is no provision'. So, no attempt has bonded labour system. Because of this, the been made for the development of the tribal bonded labourers were released during the languages. From the very beginning, noth- Emergency period. This law was forcibly ing has been done to remove antouchability. implemented. I appreciate this. I also appre- In Rajasthan, Guru Jameshwa~i Maharaj ciate Mrs. Gandhi for doing this. so I am not attempted something in this direction. He appreciating Emergency but the liberation of said, those who make you untouchables, do bonded labours. H we go to the villages, we not touch them and treat them as untouch- can see the condjtions of Scheduled Castes. ables. Then, a Revolution came in Punjab. How they are living and all that. They have no Guru Gobind Singh declared that there were land. They have no water. They have no no martial castes as such. When Guru Teg electricity. They have no education and so Bahadur's head was lying at Sisg anj , no- on. So, without proper educa1lOn, you can- body dared to carry the holy head of the not uplift these poor people to a humane Guru. It was a scheduled caste, a Rangretta level. They have no culture in others eye who carried the head of Guru Gobind Singh Now, you are having a separate Ministry and embraced the warrior and said," Rangretta that is the Ministry of Human Resource Guruka Beta." We also need today. Leader Development. What IS out Indian culture? like Guru Gobind Singh who may embrace The British people used to say that we are us like their sons, their brothers or like their only snake charmers. Now. Independence equals, not less than that. after long struggle. we have our own culture. We have our own heritage. In the same way, Prof. Malhotra has also given some we should also consider the culture of Sched- figures regarding atrocities on Scheduled uled Castes and Tribes. you should not castes and Scheduled Tribes. He said that neglect them because they are illiter~tes, more than one lakh atrocities had been they have no cultures because they are poor committee on them. But you see, for their people. education they have opened universities. I 643 Discussion und9r APRIL 25, 1990 Atrocities on 644 Rul9 193 S.C. & S. T. [Sh. Het Ram) Award. These awards should be renamed. using the name of people who helped the was also searching whether any post of students and not disabled them because of professor is there in the university held by SC and ST belonging. SCIST. Out of 3,000 professors, only 13 Scheduled Caste professors are there. In 41 If we see the position in the world. we state universities, after 42 years this is the have Pablo Picasso, Pablo Nefuda. and position. And we are saying that we are not Pablo Cassal who have been given Nobel Impressive in SCIST representation. U.G.C. Prizes because in the European society, is saying that this is because suitable candi- such a potential is there. But in Indian caste dates are not available. Government has ridden socIety. you cannot expect any Pablo also said that for Class-A posts. the Minis- Neruda, nor Picasso. nor Cassal. nor a ters-in-charge and the Secretaries will de- Cassius Clay, nor peopl-like those who are cide whether de-reservation is to be done for in the West Indies cricket team from SC and Class-A IX>sts. For Classes Band C. there ST people. can be no de-reservation, but for Class-A posts, they can do It. It means that for the The Scheduled Castes here feel that higher posts, It can be done and to be de- somehow thiS caste stigma should go, and cided by senior hugh-ups. they left their religion they have adopted new one. But they could not do away with caste Then automatically they Will do the de- stigma also, because If a Scheduled Caste reservation for Ctass·A posts. Position In the converts to a Muslim, he is a SC Muslim; if he htgher the posts, less are the SC and ST converts to Sikh, he IS their Scheduled Caste: there: and lower the posts, more are the SCs if he becomes a Christian, there also he is a and STs there. In the Sweepers' category, Scheduled Caste. The Scheduled Castes there representation IS 97%; and In lAS 3%; discontinued their normal diet which was among professors it IS 0 05%. How then are non-vegetarian, at the cost of their bodily we gomg to do Justice by reservation policy health and physique. so that the upper castes to SC and ST? might accept them as equals. But that also did not help them In any way, because even I will quote one Instance. We Institute after they discontinued that diet, they were awards for spons events. But sports 3ctlVI- stili SCs and ST3; and they were not ac- ties prevailing among SC and ST are not cepted equal they werecon51dered untouch- promoted. They know archery and other able. sports, which are not promoted In Ma- habharar, we have a tribal Ekalavy-a I feel that education IS they only way-out MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER. We are not for them. All these laws- minimum wages discussing Mahabharat and maximum wages Will not help people to come Ollt. Most of the crimes are committed against women: and so, I plead with the SHRI HET RAM: I am not speaJ..,ng Ministry that In the education system, karate about Mahabharat I quote It because I want and Judo should be taught to the girls of SCs that the Aquna Award should be re-named and STs so that whenever an~ attack IS as the Ekalavya Award Eka\a\lya was a Bhi\ made against them. they can asta least save and bener to Arjuna Dronacharya had cut their honour, because Government IS not the thumb of Ekalavya. There should not be able to do anything for them. So. karate and any award In hiS name. It should be re- ludo may be Introduced in the schools at the named, because the teacher who had taken primary level, so that this mischief may not off the thumb, and not taught the Bhil boy be there. who was poor and a tribe should. not be honoured by our gIVing his name to the With these words, , conclude my speech. 645 D,Scussion under VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Atrocities on 646 Rule 193 SC&ST [ Translation] also to safeguard their Interests The history of 8 J P IS a testimony to rt MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI SUBODH AN HON MEMBER We have done It KANT SAHA Y) Sir It IS a very mportant many times matter and we wanted that maximum num bar of Members should get an opportunity to KUMARI MAYAWATI Deihl IS the cap'- speak on It Shn V'lay Kumar Malhotra sug tal of India I reSide In Deihl and I know what gested that dIScussion on It should contInue happens In Deihl After the 'Batala inCIdent In till 7 00 P M to day and tomorrow the Minis Punjab Deihl Bandh was observed No ter shoula' reply to It doubt their views about Inlustlce and atrocI- ties on SCslSTs are praiseworthy but they MR DEPUTY SPEAKER In view of a are perhaps Silent about the measures to be long list of Members deSIrous to participate taken to check such things Here I would Irk€ In the diScussion It will not be possible to to POint out that our predecessors belonging conclude It by 7 00 P M to down trodden and explOited communities waged a relentless struggle against injustice AN HON MEMBER All the Members and atrocities on Scheduled Castes and present In the House want to speak on It Sc'leduled Tribes They Included Shn E V Ramaswaml Nalcker Chhatrapatl Sahujee SHRI SUBODH KANT SA~AY I may Maharal Mahatma Jyotlrao Phule and Dr replv to It tomorrow Ambedkar Our fnend Shn Vljay Kumar Malhotra said that I')obody IS low by hiS birth ( InterruptIOns) It IS hiS deeds (karma) that make him low If he thinks so then he must go through MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Tomorrow IS Manusmntl I must mention here that when the day for prtvate members bUSiness As Baba Ambedkar studied the 'Manusmntl rn such very little time Will be left whereas 1927 In Mahad In Maharashtra he burnt It many Members want to speak on It We have because that It was due to 'Manusmntl' that to decidE keeping thiS 1'1 view Let the the oppressed and downtrodden people were Members speak to da; and the M,nlstar forced to lead a life of animals Baba Saheb may repl\ tomorrow Ambedkar struggled a lot for 23 years In hiS life from 1927 till the adoption of the Consti- KUMARI "'AYAWATI (Bllnor) Mr tution of India Baba Saheb Ambedkar made Deputy Speaker Sir Injustice and atrocities prOVISion of all the facllrtles for SCs/STs wrth are bef'1g perpet-ated or the Scheduled a ';Iew to bnng the downtrodden and op Castes and Scheduled Trtbeslr our country pressed and suppressed people at par With everyday I had given notice of a diSCUSSion other sections of the society When provld on It under Rule' 93 My name IS at number Ing these prOVISions he had said however, 2 In the II"t I want to draw your attention to excellent the const!tutlon of a countrY may some specifiC POlrts be It w II not prove benefiCial until and le~s the rntentlons of the persons responSible for Shn Vljay Kumar Malhotra made a very Implementing It are clean Saba Saheb good speech on atrocities being perpetrated Ambedkar made all the faCIlities available to on Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes these people legally and Within the frame- But I am sorry to say that whether jt be the work of the Constitution But I am sorry to say National Front Government or the Congress that after the BntlShers left India and after the Government Bhartlya Janata Party never adoption of our constitution whichever party called for a Deihl Bandh to protest against came to power their Intentions were not the atrocities or Injustice being meted out to clean the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tnbes B J P did not take any other concrete step Why IS It so? When there IS a talk of unity 647 Discussion under APRil 25, 1990 Atrocities on 648 Rule 193 S.C. & S. T. [Kumar! Mayawati] due to which most of the people are not benefited-only a small section is benefited In the country, when there IS talk of integrity by it. Economic aspect is no exception to it. and when there IS talk of one nation, I think of two nations. TheoretICally, India is one In our country, there are more than 5 country but practically, It IS not so. There are lakh 76 thousand villages which are mostly two different sectIons of people In the coun- Inhabited by people belonging to SCsISTs. I try. One sectIOn consists of those who per- am pained to POint out that feudalists compel petrate atrocitIes and InjustICe and the other these people to leave the villages because comprises people undergOing suffenngs. they do not possess any land and they have These downtrodden people symbolis the to cultivate land of other people. They carry real India. Perpetrators of atrocIties and in- out all the farming activities including carry- justice have not yet forgotten the system of Ing of agrlCuhural produce to the markets but slavery advocated In 'Manusmrrtlilthtnk, out the credit for it goes to big landlords. They country cannot become strong until and are being so much tortured that more than 10 unless they give up the practice of slavery. crores people have already lett therr VIllages and havecometothe metropolitan cities-out Today, when we find the references to of which more than 20 lakh people have the practice of slavery In Ramayana and come to Delhi alone and settled in'Jhuggis- Mahabharat, we feel that slavery has been Jhonpnes' We talk of SOCial change but we thebaneofoursodety Slaver system means are unable to brrng any change So J warn the to make the downtrodden slaves of the afflu- Minister of Home Affairs that If the Govern- ent people. Therefore, If we treat the down- ment failed to bring about SOCIal change In trodden as slaves and oommit atrocities on the true sense of the term. then the eco- them, our country cannot be called one na- nomIC and politICal oppression of these tion. So. I find two nations In Indra-one people Will continue and they WIll remain comprising perpetrators of atrocities and the oppressed and suppressed. I would specifi- other comprrslng the oppressed and the cally like to say that a person who endures expk)ited atrOCIties IS to be blamed, more than a person who perpetrates atrOCities And, now It may be POinted out that after the thiS fact has been understood by the people Britishers lett, certain prOVIsions were made belonging to SCslSTs through Bahuj8n In the ConstitutIOn of India to prevent such Samaj Party. If the National Front Govern- atrocrtres Even dUring Congress Party re- ment failed to prevent atrocities on SCslSTs, gIme, laws were enacted In thiS regard But a day Will come when It Will not be possible to those were not Implemented Thereafter, protect them from atrOCitIes. In case, the when Natronal Front Government came Into situation In the country becomes tense. then power. It passed the 'Preventton of Atrocrtles B S P IS not to be blamed for It- the entIre Act', which came mto force W e f 30th Janu- blame Will go to National Front Government ary, 1990. But on the enactment of thiS law. InjustICe and atrocities broke out throughout There are '8 High Courts and one the country on a large scale I don't think the Supreme Court In India In which a total of 352 problem of atrocities on weaker sections Will Judges are working. Among them only 4 be sotved by enactIng laws What IS required Judges belong to Scheduled Castes and IS that the intentIOn of the persons respon- none to Scheduled Tribes. When they knock sible tor Implementing the laws should be the doors-of courts against the InjustICe and clear. atrocities Inflicted upon them, they do not get JustIce Coming to economIC side, we hnd that economic conditIOns of SCs/STs and their My last POint IS that until and unless social status are inter-related. The SOCial set suitable arrangements are made for them, up of this country is based on class-system they will be subjected to injustice and atroci- 649 Discussion under VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Atrocities on 650 Ruls 193 S.C." S.T. ti.s. We will have to think abOut it. The SHRI R.N. RAKESH (Chail): Mr. Dep- Scheduled castes and the scheduled tribes uty Speaker, Sir, the hon. Minister of Home will have to be given their due representation Affairs is not present here. Before r begin my both in Government and the administration, speech, I would like to tell the hen. Minister otherwise the society cannot be protected .to Heme Affairs that the Government has against injustice and atrocities. Mr. Deputy made an· announcement that reservations Speaker, Sir, I expect from the hon. Minister will be provided to neo-Buddhists... (Inter- of Home Affairs that he will pay attention to ruptions) ... As per t~e report of the 1981 the above points. We talk of injustice and census the population of Scheduled Castes atrocities. Mere talk is no use if no concrete is 11 crore which accounts for 10.5 per cent, steps are taken to check them. When these the Scheduled Tribes having a population of oppressed people find that no concrete steps 5 crores account for 7.5 per cent and number have been taken to check atrocities on them, of the converted Buddhist are 3 crere in the they will themselves rise against the atroci- total Population. Reservation has been pro- ties and knock the doors of justice. History is vided to Scheduled Castes and Scheduled witness to the injustice done to and atrocities Tribes who account for 10.5 per cent and 7.5 committed on the people of Scheduled per dent of the total population. If by now Castes and Scheduled Tribes and commit- their population registers an increase of 3 ting of rape on their womenfolk. No matter crore, there will be a need to increase the whether it is the Deali incident or the incident overall percentage of reservation for these that took place in Sadhupar. the information categories. But so far no such announce- in this regard reached us through newspa- ment has been made by the Government. pers, television and radio and to how many people belonging to Scheduled Castes and I would like to express my thanks to the Scheduled Tribes were killed in these inci- hon. Speaker who was kind enough to per- dents. But after the Britishers left this coun- mit me to raise the incident in which a Harijan try. we never got the information as to how was burnt alive in Fatehpur. many people who committed these atrocities, were awarded capital punishment. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Time is short. Please come to the point leaving aside all Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, as a sequel to other things. Not much time is left there with murder of SanJay and Geeta, Ranga and me. Billa were executed. When Shnmati Indira Gandhi was assassinated. her assassins SHRI R.N. RAKESH: I am making this were executed. Earlier also. when Mahatma point as it is relevant to the discussion. Let Gandhi was assassinated, his assassins me relate all these things within 2 minutes. I Nathu Ram Godse was hanged. But no such am telling you about the atrocities that had Information has ever been received that a been committed there. While allocating time killer of the people belonging to Scheduled for discussion on this issue, they had told me Castes and Scheduled Tribes has ever been that I could make all the points when the executed. Justice has to be delivered in this opportune moment comes. I would like to way. Until and unless the laws are imple- express my thanks to the hon. Minister of mented in letter and spirit. the oppressed Home Affairs for making an ex-gratia pay- and downtrodden cannot get justice. The ment of 2,000 to the next of kin of Shri Dhan laws have been enacted to protect people Raj, aged 22 years who was burnt to death. against in justice and· atrocities. As long as On my raising the issue two days ago, an the laws are not enforce strictly, these people additional amount of Rs. 8,000 has been cannot be protected against injustice and granted thus raising the ex-gratia payment atrocities. to Rs. 10,000.1 would like to congratulate the Governmentforthis measure. Fout incertain I would like to convey my thanks to you cases the Govern ment sanctions even an for providing me time to speak. amount of As. 1 lakh as ex-gratia payment. 651 Discussion under APRil 25, 1990 Atrocities on 652 Rule 193 S.C. & S.T. [Sh. R.N. Rakesh] to the field for harvesting the crop. They disrobed her with a view to outraging her Earlier, the Government of Madhya Pradesh modesty and dragged herto a pit, When her had sanctioned an amount of Rs. 45,000 as h!Jsband came to her rescuer, they man- ex-gratia payment to the victims of such handled him and burnt him to death after atrocities. A Harijan was burnt to death in the pouring kerosene on him ....• ... They had Prime Minister'S constituency and his life committed a murder in December, 1984 for was valued at Rs. , 0,000. In certain cases, which they' were ·sentenced to 20 years the Government sanctions even Rs. 11akh to imprisonment. The)' were released on bail in the atrocity victims. that case ...
AN HON. MEMBER: How much do you ( Inremlptions) want? (Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The persons SHRI R.N. RAKESH: What price do you you are referring to are not Members of the want tor your own life? Don't you feel House and you are saying that they commit- ashamed while saying such things. Please ted a murder. Their names will not go on let me speak. When it is your turn. you can record. speak. I would like to congratulate the Gov- ernment to assessing the value of the life 01 SHAt HAAISH AAWAT: If a criminal a person belong to Schedul~ Castes as Rs. case has been registered against them, what 10,000. Why are you perturbed? You must is the wrong if their names go on record? have learnt the details of that day's incident through newspapers. I would like to say this MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: This could much that on 5th April, the people who are can be done only aft.r judgement is passed. workers of the Prime Minister ... •• ... and a The name of a person, who does not have person who actedas' one of his agents in the opportunity to defend himself here Ts not Dharmapur polling station .. :·... (Interrup- to be mentioned in the House. If there is a tions) cnminal case against somebody pending in a court. his name cannot be mentioned here SHRI SURVA NARAYAN VADAV unless and until the court has given the (Saharsa): Mr. Speaker, Sir, on a point of judgement. It 'S not proper to mention the order. The hon. Member has said that they. name of a person who has no opportunity to workers of the Prime Minister. They are not defend himself. the workers but persons having connectIOns with some other elements. He should not say SHAt HAAISH RAWAT: We can say such things agaInst the Han. Pnme MInister. that there is a charge against him.
( Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: That you can do. SHRI R.N. RAKESH: If it is proved that what I am saymg is wrong. I will resign my SHRI R.N. RAKESH: It has already seat in the Lok Sabha. It is my challenge. If appeared in the newspapers as to how a the Prime Minister has the courage, let him person. against whom a criminal case was say that he would reSign hiS seat In the lok registered and against who a case is pend- Sabha ~ my statement is proved to be cor- ing in the court was defended. I would like to rect. I say that he is a worker of the Prime say this much that while on the one hand this Minister and he worked as his election agent. incident took place, on the other hand, 3 I have got his antecedents .. :·... They took harijans were shot dead in the area falling away Kuchchi Devi, the wife of the deceased, under the Mau Police Station in the Prime
··Not recorded. 65B Discussion under VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Atrocities on 654 Ru/Q 193 S.C. & S.T. Minister's constituency. When I personally ment. I request you to order an enquiry into visited the site to make an on the -sport the Azamgarh incident. The incident that enquiry, I was told by the people that they took place in Madhya Pradesh has already had sacrificed three I:1arijans just to rejoice C9me to your notice. Some of our hon. Col- on the occasion of the member of Parliament leagues have just said that the people be- of their area becoming the Prime Minister. longing to Scheduled Castes should be long ago in Delhi, some people wentto meet provided assistance on the basis of their some of the top leaders and in the end went economic condition because they are finan- to the residence of Shri Ambedkar. The cially backward. Just now Shri Malhotra gave leaders were fast asleep but Shri Ambedkar some data and spoke a lot about these was awake. People asked Shri Ambedkar as communities. I also share his views. There to why he was awake when other leader are three angles for economic considera- were fast asleep. Shri Ambedkar replied that tions. First of all let me take up the point of men of other leaders are awake, that is why Scheduled Tribes youths. They have not they are sleeping. But my men are sleeping been getting any employment for the last 3 so I am awake. The Prime Minister of this months. I am talking of the position prevail- country is not concerned about the matters ing in the whole country. I come from Uttar relating to his own constituency, then what Pradesh, but no such instance came to my can be expected of him in respect of the rest notice. The position with regard to Madhya of the oountry. In district Azamgarh, an Pradesh, Bihar and Gujarat is also the same engineer called a person belonging to the where youths belonging to the Scheduled Scheduled Castes to his residence. The Castes and Scheduled Tribes are not being former wanted to have some forged bills given any employment. I WOUld. therefore. preparlK1 by the latter and have the same like to request you to provide employment to passed. When the latter refused to'follow the the optimum number of youths belonging to formers dictates, the former beat him up so the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes much that he was nearly dead loaded his on a regular basis. It has been noticed that body on a tractor and threw it on the road the Government servants belonging to side. The former was 'thinking that the latter Scheduled Castes are being exploited. I am was already dead. But some people came to not raising the issue of neo-Buddhists be- his rescue and took him to hospital. He cause the Government has not yet laid down narrated his tale of woes to his wife and other any policy for them. But as regards the family members. then a case was registered people belonging to Schedul&d Castes in against the engineer and as also against his Government services including those in the brother. But he is being shielded. I had talked services of the Municipal committees, their to the people of that area ... you have given representatio~ in various Categories is as me a very little time. follows: 3.83 per cent in class-I, 10.47 per cent in class II. 15.03percent in class III, and MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You have 19.19 per cent in class IV services. In this only 10 Members but here I have the list of country, the Scheduled Castes and Sched· 40 members who want to speak. You are uled Tribes account of 22.5 per cent of the taking so much time while relating one inCI- total population out of which only 7 per cent dent. You have already taken 10 minutes. people have been provided employment Leaving all other hon. Members, I have called while two per cent of them depend on land you. and cultivation fortheir living and the remaining 13 per cent are the downtrodden and destitutes. who have no source of income. SHRI R. N. RAKESH. I shall complete When the National Front formed the Govern- my speech within 10 minutes. Efforts are ment at the Centre out of the 19 Ministers, being made to hush up the case and prote~t there was only 1 man who belonged to the the culprtt in the above incident. The culpnt Scheduled Castes. Now after the ...nt is having the protection from the Govern- expansion also there are only 2 memberl 655 Discussion under APRil 25, 1990 AIrocIfie6 on 658 Rule 193 S.C." S.T. [Sh. R.N. Rakesh) not like to go into the daldI 01 the C8888 of land deeds. Shri Malhotra has gMtn a ct. from the Scheduled castes in the council of tailed account in this regard. He said though Ministers. Besides, out of 27 only 1 belongs the lease hokiers have been given the ... to Scheduled Castes. This is the attitude of documents but they haw not been gMan thisGovemment. People who are in Govern- actual possession. ment service are being subjected to harassment in various ways. let me cite one in- 19.00 hrL stance in this ragard. The present General Manager of the NorShem Railway while serving as the Chief Engineer (Construction) has Out of the several instances the hon. Mem- appointed 4 officers from amongst his rela- ber has given, I would Ike to make a mention tives as D. S. Es. When he became the of a case pertaining to Allahabad. Ther.e is a Secretary of the Railway Board he got 4 of trust in Allahabad 6,400 acres of land of this his close relatives appointed as officers i.e. trust had been declared as surplus in 1947 as D.R. Ms. and he-himself 'became the and the then Chief Minister of the State, Shri General Manager of the Northern Railway, Hemvati Nandan Bahuguna had aAottecI this the headquarters of which are located at land to 800 people on a lease hold basis. All Baroda House. I would like to being to your of them were also given lease documents. notice the case of an officer belonging to the On 8th September, 1986 Shri Mulayam Singh Scheduled Castes, in the office olthe D.R. M. Yadav, who is now Chief Minister of Uttar at Allahabad. During Magh Mela and oMaha Pradesh, said in the course of a discussion Kumbha Mela, these people had their hand In Uttar Pradesh Assembly that lease deeds in a bungling of about RS.15 crores. I made of 6400 acres of land ...••... had been given to a complaint in this regard to the hon. Minister the poor and the landless but so long as the of Railways, Shri George Fernandes trustee was not arrested, the poor could alongwith the Signatures of a dozen MPs hope to get justice. This is what he had with sufficient proof. When the enquiry demanded. Now I would like to .know from started, the officer belonging to Scheduled the Government whether it is going to arrest Castes was compelled to withdraw the the above trustee because it is only because complaint. Action was initiated against him. of him that.soo lease holders' could not be When some of the han. Members of Partia- given actual possession of the land. The ment brought this fact to the notice of !he above matter has been pending since 1974. hon. Minister of Railways, he said that it was Nobody has been given the adual posses- injustice and stopped the action which was sion of land. Will the Government seelhat being initiated a~inst the above officer. they get physical possession of land. If thl Thereafter. some officers succeeded in in- Government is prepared to give th.m pos- fluencing the hon. Minister and the case session of land, I would like to furnilh 10m. which was being initiated against the above more information in this regard ... •• ... (~ officer· was reopened. Again some hon. ruptions) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I wIItakl Members of Parliament raised their voice onty one more minute. Since the time Is against this injustice whereupon the pro- short, I would not be able to submit more posed action against the officer was with- points. However,·one thing more I mUll ..)' drawn. The above episode indicates that the here on this occasion that the Government bureaucracy is harassing the Government has done a good job by putting up the ponrait servants belonging to the Scheduled Castes of Dr. Ambedkar in the Central hall of Parlia- and Scheduled Tribes. I would, therefore, ment. The previous Government shoutd have like to request ths Government to clarify its done this thing much earlier, but they could stand on neo-Buddhists. The third point is not do it. Dr: Ambedkar was a great ps'- that of giving land lease documents. I would triot. . .** ... It would have been in the fitness
··Expunged as ordered by the Chair. 657 Discussion under VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) AtrocitIes on 658 Rule 193 S.C. & S.T. of things, had the unveiling ceremony of Dr. increasing. The Government should see Ambedkar's portrait been performed by a that once an offence has been committed, it freedom fighter .... (/nterruptions) ... •• ... Mr. should be dealt with without any bias and it Deputy Speaker, Sir, with these words, I should be ensured that politics does not would like to express my thanks to you. influence the case in any way whatsovever. lastly 1 I would like to say this much that as This the reason why cases of atrocities have long as there is no change in the attitude and increased rather than decreased during last concerted efforts are not made, we cannot 40 years. At present, there is not a single do any good to the people belonging to the village in the country whers untouchability Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes in has not been in existence in some form or the this country. I hold the following view: other. It has not been eradicated totally from any village. We brought about the downfall (\f "Sataye jo garibon ko use shaitan kahte the Nizam of Hyderabad. We got Goa liber- hain. ated from the clutches ofthe Portuguese, but Uthaye jo gaaribion ko use bhagwan we could not eradicate untouchability from kahte hain." the country. It is misfortune oi the country. before the National Front Govemment came Judging from the perlormance nobody to power, the Congress Party headed by Shri seems to be a God here. So I pray to God to Rajiv Gandhi did not do any thing during its let good sense preva~ on you. t also pray 10 tenure. Of course, in the last year of his rule, Baba Saheb to bless the government with he issued directIOns to fill up the backlog of good sense vacancies reserved for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes so as to secure votes MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I have got a of these people because it was the election lang list of names wrth me. If you p90ple go year. But all vacancies could not filled up. on narrating stones," every case, it will be a Shri Rajiv Gandhi remained unsuccessful problem. I would, therefore, request all of even in this task. Besides, no member of you to restrict your views to policy matters Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes or only and complete your speeches withm 2-3 HariJans and Adivasis has b6an appointed minutes. It will be so nice of you. as a Governor in any of the States in the country nor any of them has been given an SHRt RESHAM LAl JANGDE (8i- ambassadorial assignment in a foreign laspur): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, in regard to country. This is the politics a'-the Congress crimes, Madhva Pradesh tops in the country Party. The condition of persons belonging to followed by Bihar and Rajasthan. Tamilnadu these Communities working in the capacity occupies first place In the maner of crimes of judges and on other such posts in the pertaining to untouchability followed by Ra- country is deplorable. The representation of jasthan and Bihar in the second and third these communities in the Ministry of Exter- places. After all, what are the reasons there- nal Affairs, Defence and other such Depart- for. What I feel is that neither political rivalry ments is very low. The Government should nor the politICal system prevailing In the consider this point also. erores of rupees country is responsible for it but the draw- have been spent by the Government in the backs in our religious, social and land man- name of Harijans and Adivasis. But these agement system are at root of these. When- people did not get any benefit consequent ever the culprits are nabbed, a political game upon this vast expenditure. The real benefi- starts and efforts are made to protect the ciaries have been political leaders and bu- culprits. it is due to this protection being reaucrats. The Government should think given to the culprits, that the incidents of about it seriously. atrocities on persons belonging to Sched- uled Castes and Schedul9d Tribes go on Mr. Deputy Speaker, SiT, considerable
"EKpunged as ordered by the Chair. 659 Discussion under APRil 25, 1990 Atrocities on 660 Rule 193 S.C. & S.T. [Sh. Resham lal Jangde J their rescue, given witness in their favour and save them. In Madhya Pradesh, mem- land belonging to Harijans and Adivasis has bers of B.J.P. gave witness for the Harijans been grabbed by using force and spreading before the Commission and also savadthem. terror. Please let me know as to why laws We do not believe in the cult of untouchability were not enacted by various States to allo- neither in practice nor in profession. For us, cate land to Harijans and Adivasis. The all are equal. But there are some parties in Government should look into this problem in our country which believe in dass-war and view of the fact that la~hs of acres 9f land has try to create bittemess by referring to been snatched away from these people. The "Manusmriti." . economic and industrial policy of the country has not proved beneficial to Adivasis and Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Harijans. because the number of people "Manusmriti" was followed in the country from these communities who availed of the 4000 years ago. At present, 90 per cent benefits of this policy is negligible. On one people do not know what it is. Then why do hand, a person owns As. 5000 crores but on people give impetus to groups clashes by the other hand there are people who cannot making a reference to that book. Now, there manage two square meals a day. What are has been some improvement in social insta- the reason for this wide gap? What are the bility and inequality Now, the Harijans are reasons that Harijans and Adivasis are lagging behind economically and in indus- migrating to cities? With the coming up of trial achievements. The Government should more cities. more and more villages look like seriously think about their active involve- ruins and condition of Adivasis is getting ment in industries and for providing them from bad to worse. Until and unlQss exodus suitable employment. Today, the caste sys- of Harijans and Adivasis from villages is tem has di~ared from the society. In checked. there can be no development of social functions like marriages and parties the country. nobody bothers about caste, rather people who make a reference to caste earn a bad Mr. Deputy Speaker. Sir. separate po- name. Except in personal life, the caste lice stations have been set up in a number of system has totally disappeared from the States for the protection of Harljans and society. There is no consideration of castes Adivasis. But the Station House Officers in trains, factories. The feeling of caste-is posted there. are very inefficient. why is it only seen in personal life. The untOUChability so? Why not capable Station House Officers is now confined to rural areas only. The are posted at these places? At present, Congress Government made a mockery of cases involving untouchability linger on for Harijans on the 2nd October. They made a 6-7 years. Hearing atter hearing goes on but mockery of the untouchability week. They no decision IS taken. The Inspectors of Po- made the non-official organisations involved lice do not provide records on time. Under in the eradication of untouchability prosper the circumstances the people are constrained monetarily, but did not do anything to uplift to change their witnesses or withdraw their the harijans. , say that even now Harijan cases. , would like to relate you some of the funds are being misused. For instance, let gruesome incidents that have taken place. me make a rj»ference to the plight of hun- Hon.Member,KumariMayawatioftheB.S.P. dreds of villages in the B\las'PU" dtstrid. oi said in the House that the B.J.P. committed Madhya Pradesh. There is not a single min in atrocities on the harijans. In this connection, the entire area covering these villages. There \ wou\d 'ike \0 tell here that the B.S.P. never are no roads. This has been our achieve- tame to the rescue of the Harijans as and ment over the years and we 'have spent when any atrocity was committed on them. crores of rupees to achieve it. This situation Thll B.J. P. never comm ittad any atrocity on prevails in district 8ilaspur' and in Mungfli the Harijans. rather as and when any atrocity Tahsil of district Raipur. This area fals under taken place on Harijans. the B.J.P comes to a reserved CXM1stituency. It is a common 661 D,scusSIon unde, VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) AtfOCltiss on 662 Rule 193 S.C.&S.T phenomenon that the reserved constituen- several Members to speak You are making cies have been neglected - no matter whether very good points, but the tIme IS very short they are In a Union Terntory or In a State HanJans are not provided with any faCIlities SHRI RESHAM LAL JANGDE There rather they are neglected This IS our plight are proposals to revise the list of Adivasis In I would also like to know as to why the reports thiS connection, I would 11ke to POint out that of the Commissioner for Scheduled Castes there are some Adlvasls who receive double and Scheduled Tribes and Committee on or triple benefits with the help of foreign the Welfare of Scheduled Castes and Sched- mlSSlnenes They get benefits from both uled Tflbes are not discussed In the State Sides I e from Christian MISSionaries as well Assemblies Why should It not be obligatory a~ from the Government The natIve trlbaJs that such reports Will be discussed In the atleast can become peons or school teacher, State Legislatures We can know as to what but converted Ad,vasls become Collectors, IS happemng In the country only If these Deputy Collectors or I A S Officers reports are discussed We are overlooking these Important things and hOlding discus- SHRJ PIYUS TIRAKY (Ahpurduars) Are sion on other Items Let me cite the cases of you aware that as to what mISSIOnarieS have land deeds The landless Hanjans and Adl- done to Adlvasls? vasls were give land deeds But that matter remainS confined to the documents of Pat- [English] wans Nobody knows what IS the size of the land and where It IS loca!ed T~e bank say You should to speak like thiS (Inter- that Hanlans and Adivasis ""ould be given rupt'ons) loans But In practice It IS qUlt& the reverse These people do not get loans and others MR DEPUTY SPEAKER Mr Tlraky, take the loan amount In the name of these are you gOing to speak? Then you make the people Other people sWindle away the point at that time Let him continue money When the question of repayment of the loan comes the burden IS put en the ( InterruptIOns) heads of Harllans and Adlvasls This a mls fortune of our cOJ'my [ TranslatIon]
Let me make a reference to the system SHRI RESHAM LAL JANGDE The 01 vanous ex amlnatlons T ec;ts are conducted State administration IS gravely Igno"ng the for admission to medical colleges P M T of HanJan Spe~lal Component Scheme wher- Engineering Colleges pet etc In these eever they are being run The Central Gov- examinations papars of Hanjan candidates ernment should take Inltlatl\le at their own are checked separately and those of the level for formulating shcemes In thiS regard general category separately Consequently Bastar and SarguJa are such two areas of the valuer deliberately fall the candIdates Madhya Pradesh where nothing has been belonging to the Harllans and AdlV3S1 com- achieved even after spending crores of munities That IS why the number of students rupees Tnerefore, YOlTshould pay attentIon studYing In Medical and Engineering Col- to th,s Issue leges IS reported to be very less Until and unless the ~ystem ot examination IS changed With these words, \ conc\ude and a new systpm IS evolved throug~ can sensus seats reserved 10r these people In SHRI SARJU PRASAD SAROJ (Mo- MedIcal and Engmeerlng Colleges cannot hanlalganl) Mr Deputy Speaker I I am grate- be flll~d In suffiCient number In the next 20 to ful to you tor giVing me an opportumty to 25 years speak I would lIKe to put forward my pomt of VleN very briefly due to the shortage of time MR DEPUTY SPEAKER There are I would like to give expressIOn to my sentl- 663 Discussion under APRil 25. 1990 Atrociti9S on 664 Rule 193 S.C .• S.T. [Sh. Sarju Prasad Saroj ] dira Awas Yojana was launched In the name of rehabilitation of Harijans. The dwelling ments with the help of an urdu couplet that is units of the size of 21 x 15 feet used to be as follows: constructed in the villages, but dunng the Congress reg~me, their size was reduced to l.arazta hai phaJaJc mazloom jab fariyad 7 x 5 feet. Thls could better be termed as a karta hai, graveyard for Harijans rather than a dwelling Suno, Allah za/im qaum ko barbad karta unit. These poor people were hardly bene- hai." fited by the scheme launched for reari~ buffaloes. These schemes were announced Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, 42 years have with the sole objective of fetching votes. passed since our country achieved Inde- pendence. The country constantly proceeded I would like to say that certain deep- on its path towards development, but If we rooted traditions and customs In the society look back tor a moment, one thing that be- need to be changed. Certam affluent people comes clear IS that the Hanjans were not with feudal bent of mind continue to inflict benefited fully by this process of develop- atrOCities and injustice upon HanJans even ment. Their conditIOn remained unchanged today. When an F.I. R. is lodged In thiS even today. There IS need to find out the connection or a suit filed in a court of law, the reason behind thiS We have got a socialistic case gets ultimately dismissed for want of ConstitutIOn. a capitahstlC economy and a evidence. I would like to request you to kindly feudal SOCIal set-up SOCial injustICe and draft a speCial code In thiS regard. Special economicdispantywillconttnuetilioursocial tribunals should be constituted to look mto set-up remains feudal and our economy and adjudicate upon the matters relating to remains capitalist. In view of these dispari- atrOCIties on Scheduled Castes. I.P.C. and ties, justICe will never be done to the poor Cr. P.C. should undergo certain changes. I a!ld the downtrodden have a few suggestIOns to make. Section 25 of Arms Act, Section 60 of Excise Act. Sec- ThIS country has seen many leader and tions 107/116, 151 and 109 of Cr. PC. and many poliCieS have been formulated Huge Section 399 and 402 of I.p.e are the sec- amounts of money have been spent on the tions of our laws which are misused by the Implementation of these polICies, but our powerlul and resourceful feudal class of the suffertngs cannot be mitigated and our prob- rural areas In connivance with the offiCials to lems cannot be solved until the Government oppress the downtrodden and to lower their IS well-intentIOned and it does not lack polrtl- morale. I would like to request the Govern- cal witl. I would like to express my gratitude ment to pay attentIOn towards thiS problem to the present Government for achieVing In so that no atrocities are commrtted on them lUst a hundred days what the prevIOus Gov- In future. ernment could not achieve In 42 long years They unveiled the portrait of Dr. Ambedkar In I would like to give you an Instance. the Central Hall of Parhament and r.onferred Kuman Pramila. the sister of Shrt R.R. Jan- the honour of "Sharat Ratna" upon him. A yal. an employee of the Reserve Bank of deciSIOn wrth regard to providing faCIlities India, Nagpur Branch. was abducted in June, and COnceSSionS to the neo-Buddhlsts as 1989. An F.I.R was filed to this connectIOn in enjoyed by the Scheduled Castes was also which the name of the accused also fig- taken. I would !Me to express my views with ured .... regard to the prevIOus Government. That Governmentformulated many pohcles, spent MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You better huge sums of money and gave loans In the report this case to the hon.Mintster. Nothing name of tR.D.P., but the men who pocketed can be done in these matter here. that money were none other than the well-to- do and influential people of the society In- SHRt SARJU PRASAD SAROJ: But no 665 Discussion under VAISAKHA s: 1912 (SAKA) Atrocities on 666 Rule 193 S.C. & S.T. action has been initiated against him til date. founding father of our Constitution. But was He has links with the Congress Party. In this he given due respect. regard and recogni- context. I request that the suggestions made tion by the people who ruled this country for by me should be implemented with. so that nearty 42143 years since Independence? justice muld be done to these people. Why was he not given thal? • was only because he belonged 10 the Scheduled With these words. I conclude. Caste. From the core d their heart they could not accept him as a great person only because of that. ·SHRI SUKHENDU KHAN(VlShnupur): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I wiD speak in my Today many d us are saying many mother tongue, Bengali, while participating things about land reforms. But except West In this discussion regarding atrocities on Bengal has any other State really carried out Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes radical land reforms? Regarding atrocities raised by Shri V. K. Malhotra under Rule 193. on SCIST. rape cases against them etc. volumes of figures are available about all the Sir. I agree with and associate myself States. But you would not find the name of with most of the things said by Hon. Sh. West Bengal among them. Even if you find, Malhotra while initiating this discussion. Now it will be microscopic. I will like to place before thiS House some of my own view pomts in thiS respect. My time The Janata Oat Government has in- is very limited. You are unable to give me the staned the portrait of Dr. Ambedkar in the time that will be required for placing before Central Hall of Parliament and for that Ithank this august House all the facts and figures the Han. Prime Minister on behalf of my that I have got with me I also do not want to party. tax the patience of all other Hon. Members who are waiting to speak on this subject. Sir, every Sunday, the Mahabharat is being telecast. The Mahabharat is an epic. I will start my speech by saYing that There is a tragedy in the Mahabharat and the Su,eduled Caste/Schedule Tribe means hero of this tragedy is not lord Krishna. nor those low caste people whose names are Yudhistir nor Ariun. The real hero of the listed in a schedule. I am saying this because tragedy is Kama himseH. Kama was the son many Han. members who spoke before me of Kunti, like the Pandavas, but he was said various things about the SClST people known as the son of a low caste charioteer. and expressed sympathy for them. They Therefore he was kept away and deprived of also shed crocodile tears for these poor Sel maternal love. Out of a sense of revenge ST people when they speak about them Kama once attacked the Pandavas and outside this House also. But I doubt whether defeated them. The Pandavas were forced many of them are really smcere about it and to make a treaty with him and give away five want the betterment and uplittment of these villages. Everybody agreed to this treaty. unfortunate people from the core of their Even Dhritarastra had consented. But Kama heart or whether they make any sincere' did not agree. Kama knew that he has effort for this. I do not think so. strength and courage. Even Kunti knew that only Kama was capable of killing Yudhistir or Sir, on 14th April last, the portrait of Dr. Arjun and she was scared on that a:count Ambedkar was installed in the Central Hall of and she wanted to make peace with Kama. Parliament. Dr. Ambedkar was one among She unfolded all the realities to Karna and he the top three Intellectuals 0' undivided India. was even offered kingship ... I am not going The others were ShrJ M.N. Roy and Mohd. into the details of the story. what I am trying Ali Jinnah. Moreover Dr. Ambedkar was the to point out is that Kama has not been given
*Translation of speech origlnallv delivered in Bengali. 667 Discussion under APRIL 25, 1990 Atrocities on 668' Rule 193 S.C. & S. T. [Sh. Sukhendu Khan] States wherethe culprits are escaping prosecution and gOing scot free due to the negli- due importance only because he was known gence or support of the land enforcing agen- as the son of a Low caste person. Sir, our cies and also because witnesses are afraid everyday experience is that we have not to come forward to give evidence. been able to accept these so-called low caste people as our equals from the core of Sir, another important point is that 'caste our heart, as yet. We may take food with indicating surnames must be done away them at the same table but when I try for the with permanently. When we go for some marriage of my daughter with a boy of a interview or appear in some joint entrance higher caste, I face unwillingness or hesita- examination, our surname indicating our tion on his part. He keeps off the marriage caste causes us great handicap. Scheduled proposal on some pretext or other. This Castes have some facilities and conces- shows that from our heart we have not been sions no doubt, like age relaxation by five able to remove this prejudice against Sched- years etc. and these have been extended by uled Castes people. This is the real picture. another ten years through Constitution Sir, I will quote the following two incidents in amendment. My question is will this exten- Lucknow to show what the real condition is sion go on indefinitely. When ~lIthese people like: be strong enough to stand on their own legs?
Killing of three Scheduled Caste per- Sir, except West Bengal, in other States sons in Piprawan village under Moholi P.S. where decentralisation of power through in Sitapur District ;n 1987. panchayats has not taken place and where surplus land is being distributed to the lan- Killing of three Scheduled Caste per- dless Adivasis and SC/ST people through sons in Bhadevna village under tJla\<'hi P .S. land re\orms, "nere an em~u\l'I 'Shou\d be in Unnao District. conducted to see whether these class of poor people are really getting possession of The conclusion is that In both the cases, land or not. This must be enquired into. the local police registered the FIR in time and under appropriate sections of the IPS. Sir, according to the registers of the employment exchanges, the number of The police also Informed the senior of- unemployed persons in our country is 3.50 ficers about the Incident who in turn visited crores. This is the number of the registered the spot. The police also arrested the ac- unemployed. But the numberofthose unem- cused persons within a period of four or five ployed who have not been able to register days. I am not going Into more details as it the" names is 13 or 14 crores. We know that will take a long tilTle. it is not possible to provide employment to this vast army of unemployed people through In both the cases, the investigating offi- 'Right to Work'. Most of these 13114 crores of cer failed to produce all the available evi- unemployed people who could not register dences such as forensIC and ballistic ex- themselves in the employment exchanges, perts, reports, verficatlon of alibi etc. The are the poor share-croppers, landless la- police did not provide adequate support to bourers, marginal farmers belonging to the prosecution witness. Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. These people have to be provided with land From this we find that those who were by means of radical land reforms. Not on\y responsible for killing the Scheduled Caste land Sir, they should be provided with all people, for torturing them, were not prose- other facilities, implements and inputs needed cuted due to the negligence of the police and for cultivation. All of us wm surely support the the Investigating officers. There are thou- demand for provision of more funds in the sands of such instances in Tripura and other budget for this purpose. The project officers, 669 Discussion under VAISAKHA 5, 1912 (SAKA) Atrocities on 670 Rule 193 S.C. & S.T. special officers etc. should be di(ected to must be recognised. laws to this effect must monitor whether the'schemes of Ihe Govern- be enacted in Parliament and if there is a ment are being properly implemented or not. need, the Constitution must be changed. The various programmes and plans like Even the Government does not know as to IRDP, NREGP, tribal sub plans etc. etc. how many Scheduled Castes and Sched- must be properly implemented at the right uled Tribes are living in our country. West places. Their working also must be con- Bengal, as a good Government. is solving stantly monitored. We must e_nsure that the the problems of the tribals to some extent. peopfe for whom these progra~re An-hon. M~mberfrom Madhya Pradesh was meant, get the real benefit. . -. -- speaking here. He mentioned that a number . of Christians were converted to Hindus, as In the end I will say that many of us talk the Christians were told that only if they about Casteism. If the weahh of our country become Hindus, they will get all types of is properly distributed among all the people, facilities. Such things are going on in our then I believe that everybody can lead a country. They have no poHtical power. This reasonably comfortable life. Nobody would 'Shudhikaran' must be stopped. The tribals live in a miserable condition. If we spend the havetheirown religion. They are not Hindus. amount allocated in our budget in a judicious They are all Indians. They must be given and well planned manner and if we distribute power. They must be allowed to develop by our country's wealth equitably among the themselves, in their own way. They have a people and thereby bring about an upliftment separate cuhure and language. Their way of In the economic condition and standard of life is different. When they are trying to life of these weaker sections, then, many develop by themselves. the Government be live that we will be able to abolish cas- should goto their help. Their language should teism in our society. But I believe that unless not be degraded. They should not be forced caste ism is abolished iirst, we wil\ not be to worship a pan\c\l\at God Ot \0 ?~no~ro ab\e to achieve economIc up\ittment 0\ t\"\e particu\at poo\as. ft..s the.,. have tne\t own poor and down trodden masses. Sir, I once language and culture; they should be al- again support what has been said by Shri lowed to develop by themselves. The tribals Malhotra and with that I conclude. should be t.aken into confidence. When we speak of the tribals, some political parties, to [English] have some political gains, may come forward to do this and that. Tribals are thinking SHRI PIYUS TIRAKY (Alipurduars): Mr. that they are the aborigines of India and they Deputy Speaker. Sir, I am speaking about were the first to live In India. They are think- the difficulties faced by the scheduled caste ing that others have come to India by invad- and the scheduled tribe people. It is mainly Ing them. They have been alienated from from the political angle. These people have forest hfe. They are discarded now and are never been given the political power uptill working as bonded labourers. Sometimes, now. Our States have been reorganised on they have no means of livelihood. There are the basis of language. They have no State. tribals belts right from the north to south or from east to west and middle, in MP, Bihar Their Identity also is a very vital pOint. It and GUJarat. The problem of tribals is coming is based on the mercy of the States. If some up in India. The Governme'lt must think that States have the mercy, then they give the the tribal's are capable of developing by Identity that such·and "such caste,isasched- themselves. So, the Government must give uled caste and such-and such tribe is a them the political power. W,e tought tor the o::.chedu\ed \T\'oe. 'h\s \~end \0 \~ea\ tnem as same ?o\\\\ca\ ?o'He~ 'H\\h tne ~~\tish. ~ut s\.\\\ second-class citizens must be curbed. They these tribals are debarred trom political should have their national recognition from power. Even in Parliamentary Committees, the Centre itself. Wereever the Scheduled which are so many in number, no tf\ba\ \s the Castes go, to any point of the country, they Chairman. How can we begin with the deve\- 671 Discussion und9r APRil 25, 1990 AITocities on 671- Ru19193 S.C.&S.T. [Sh. Piyus TirakyJ put forward certain suggestions to the han. Home Minister. opment of the tribals? We are speaking of the previous Government and also of the Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, much is being present Govemment. We are saying that the said about the atrocities on Harijans and tribals and Harijans will be developed shortly. women. People today fight in the name of I would like to know from the Government as religion, caste and province. We shall have to what best they are doing tor the tribals. to think in terms of bringing about social Where is the beginning? No tribal is involved ·reforms and to put an end to these riots. in deciSion-making. The tribals are always Communal riots had taken place during working as subordinates. Even in the States, Gandhian era as well. The religious, cas- they are working as deputy officers or assis- teism and provincial riots not only continue tants and not as the Heads of Departments. even today but are on the increase. Nobody They are subordinates in Parliament also~ I realises as to how to co-exist in a secular do not know the reasons for this. I have great State. I have been listening to this debate hope inthis Govemmentthat all these anoma- since morning and I also had the opportunity lies will be corrected which were created by to listen to 'tbe speech of the han. Home the previous Government. Equality, in all Ministertoo. The main point that has emerged possible manner, must be given to the tribals. is that man is not being treated as a human Only then, we can say that this Government being today. This is the most vital question is doing well. before us today. I would like to put forward certain suggestions in this regard on which MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Shrimati the Government can act upon. I demand that Vidya Chennupati. the Government should pay attention towards this problem. We shall have to pay SHRI K. S. RAO (Machilipatnam): Up to attention towards the riots taking place in the what time are we going to sit today? name of caste and religion and the latter is creating barriers between human beings. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: We will at We shall have to demolish such barriers. least, if you like, go up to 8 O'clock and after The courts are ·replete with cases of atroci- that we will adjourn and tomorrow the Minis- ties comm itted on the Harijans and the tribals ter may reply. as also on the women including the rape cases. Such cases continue to dominate the [Trans/ation] High court and Supreme Court proceedings, but these are not decided even in 4-5 years. SHRI KHEMCHANDBHAI SOMABHAI Such cases should be decided expeditiously CHAVDA (Patan): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, if you want to check these atrocities on discussions on comm unal riots have taken Harijans, tribals and women. place thrice under Rule 193. How much time has been allotted to the discussion on Har- In this way the Government establishes ijans and tribals? How many Harijans have a separate colony for Harijans and it is an been killed? The time allotted is not suffi- another way of regregating them from soci- cient. It should be increased. ety. To solve this problem, a mixed housing scheme should be adopted where Harijans MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The time has should be allotted houses amidst oth~r sec- already been increased. tions of society. this will remove caste-differences in our society. Presently there are SHRIMATf VIDYA CHENNUPATI hostels exclusively meant for scheduled (Vijayawada): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is castes and Scheduled Tribes. In their place really regrettable that even after so many hostels meant for all classes should be set years of independence, we still talk of atroci- up. This will also go a long way in resolving ties on Harijans. In this regard, I would like to the caste-conflict. The Government should 673 Discussion under VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Atrocities on 674 Rule 193 S.C. & S.T pay attention to these points. Our education view things in a more humanitarian way. system has resident schools which also are classified on caste considerations. These If we take some encouraging measures schools should admit children of all castes for people who go in for inter-caste mar- without any restrictions. A percentage should riages, there will be a reduction in caste be fixed for this purpose. As far as reserva- conflicts. All castes will be merged into one tion for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled caste Le. the .easte of humanity. India is a Tribes is concerned, maximum advantage is secular country. Mahatma Gandhi said that being taken by such category of people living untouchabirity should be removed_ Being a in urban areas. Their counter-parts in vil- woman, I would like to ask if men really care lages are not able to avail this facility. There- about problems being faced by women. You fore, a separate percentage of reservation can do a lot for us women-folk_ We have should be set apart for such category of many long-standing demands on which no people living in rural areas. party has taken a decision let any party take the initiative to reform our society. If the Incentives should be given to encour- Janata Dal comes forward to do this they will age inter-caste marriages between a Harijan earn a good name in society. The present and a non-Harijan. This will remove cas- Government accused the Congress (I) of teism and an atmosphere of brother hood having done nothing. The Congress (I) has will prevail in society. People going in for done a lot and this Government should do inter-caste marriages should be given reser- better. If this Government can reform our vation in jobs. Merely granting Rs. 3,000 to society, the masses will 'believe that ·they the husband or wife who is a Harijan is not have made a correct choice. enough. Apart from reservation in jobs for them, their children should be given prefer- But if this Government merely pays lip ential admiSSion in schools. This will reduce service then we shall conclude that this is discrimination on the basis of caste. Besides another Government that makes tall claims this, the numberof incentives should also be and does nothing. These days women are increased. There should be a ban on the subjected to many atrocities like molesta- mentioning of surnames like Reddy or tion, rape and harassment for dowry. Those Chaudhary because they indicate a per- guilty of such crimes should be prosecuted. son's religion or caste. A person is not born These days cases are registered but not with a caste or a religion. So the practice of followed up. Today people are not prepared mentioning surnames should be done away to acceptthe offer of marriage without dowry. with in the interests of social progress. The Anti-Dowry Act was passed by this very House but it is not being implemented. No We see the evolution of political parties body in the Government is bothered about on caste and religious lines. Such parties implementing it. There is no concerted effort should not be encouraged in view of the towards social reform. The Government religious tensions between Hindus and Sikhs should review the employment opportunities in Punjab and Hindus and Muslims in Ka- available to women today. Just look at the shmir. Why should we encourage the growth strength of women MPs in Parliament. Nearly of caste and religion based parties in soci- all parties havegivenan assurancethat 30% ety? How can we support such parties when of the seats would be reserved for women we talk of India being secular. At least I am but only the Congress(l) has fulfilled this not able to support such parties. So I suggest assurance. Women constitute 50% of the that in application forms for admission to country's population. So at least 30% of the educational institutions or for seeking em- seats should be reserved for them because ployment the column for caste and religion they equal men in work. A lot can be done should be filled only by those who want to be under the auspices of the National Integra- considered against the reserved quota. If tion Council. The youth of today which fights this column is deleted then we will be able to in the name of religion or caste should be 675 Discussion under APRIL 25,1990 AtrocitiflS on 676 Rule 193 S.C. & S.T. [Shrimati Vidya Chennupatij MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please sit down. Such things are not allowed in this brought under the umbrella of the National House. You are requested to remain silent. Integration Council. The Home Ministry should set up cells of the National Integration SHAI CHHEDI PASWAN (Sasaram): ~uncil in Schools, colleges and universi- Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, before giving my ties, so that present day youths dedicate speech I would like to repeat a point which I themselves to the progress and well-being have raised earlier. Our guardians have of the nation instead of expending their energy already spoilt our names. My name is Ch- in religious and caste wars. This cell should hedi Paswan but, Sir, in the papers which I be assigned the task of organising a youth receive it is given as Chedi Paswan. This force. In order to ensure that this cells func- should be corrected. tion in a fruitful manner, the Government should grant financial assistance to these [English] cells. People will thus think on secular lines. There is a lot more to say but as time is MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The rose will limited I conclude my speech. smell the same, catled by any other name.
MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Shr; Chhedi [ Translation] Paswan. SHRI CHHEDI PASWAN: My Deputy SHRI DASAI CHOWDHARY (Rosera): Speaker Sir, I thank you for giving me an My name is third on the list. Other people are opportunity to speak. I also thank hon. Shri being called but my name is not being called. Vijay Kumar Malhotra and hon. Kumari Mayawati for initiating this discussion on MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Your name atrocities on Scheduled Castes and Sched- will be called when your turn comes. This will uled Tribes without taking much time I shall not do. Please sit down. You cannot compel express my views only on 2-3 points. There me. are many good ovators and learned persons in this august House. I shall relate my own SHRI DASAI CHOWDHARY: I have bitter experience. given my name. I am not compelling you. Sir, Dr. B. R. Ambedkar worked to bring MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You will have about social equality. He was also the archi- to sit down and quietly await your turn. tect of our constitution. He wanted social disparities to end but I can say with surety SHRI DASAI CHOWDHARY: Should that the reservation policy framed by him is we go then. not being implemented any where. To cite an example, when I was member of the Bihar MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: It IS yourwlsh. Assembly a similar matter was raised but I this is not the way things are done. was not given an opportunity to express my views. Is it true that even 42 years after SHRI JAG PAL SINGH: You talk WIth Independence Scheduled Castes are given your partly. Why are you talking to the chair? 5% reservation? It is very unfortunate that these people are not allowed to express their MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please be v:ews. When we come here after winning seated. Thi2 :5 not the proper way to do elections we raise their problems in this things. Everybody is being given a chance to House. They have been subjected to injus- speak. You cannot junctIon in this manner. tice from times immemorial. Their problems should be solved. Sir, we have not b8en able SHRI DASAICHOWDHARY:\_havfI not to remove political. social and economic said anything. My name is there. disparities even after 42 years. I can c~e an sn Discussion under VAISAKHA 5,1912 (SAKA) Atrocities on 678 Rule 193 S.C. & S.T. example in support of this. When the late Hall of Parliament, something that the Con- Babu Jagjiwan Ram was Deputy Prime gress Government could not do even in 42 Minister he laid the foundation of the Sam- years. I thank the han. Prime Minister for poonanand Temple in Varanasi. Later the declaring 14th April as a public hOliday in this temple was washed in Ganga water. Atti- country. Alongwith this I demand that the tudes like this are still prevalent in India. Of lessons depicting the life of Dr. Ambedkar course there has been a change in attitudes should be included in the books and taught to some extent but the Scheduled Castes in the schools. and Scheduled Tribes are generally looked down upon and exploited by other classes of There is a proverb, that "An idle man's our society. I am sure the Government does brain is a devirs workshop." It is due to the nothing to help, 'Harijans' and 'Adivasis' get faulty policy of the Government that SO and actual possession of the land for which set- ST people are being exploited. Poor people tlement has been made and certificates (Red living in rural areas and people belonging to Card) issued in the name of the latter. Apart low castes are becoming Naxalites for want frem this I would like to tell you something of job opportunities. The Government has that may surprise you. In Darbhanga Univer- not been able to generate job opportunities sity Brahmins are misusing the job reserva- for these people and they are compelled to tion for 'Mehtars.' Brahmins get the salary resort to these ways. I request the Govern- while the Mehtars' do all the work. such ment to give some. serious thought to this problems still exist in our country. matter.
Loans of over Rs. 50,000 crores is due Now I would like to give an example of from big industrialists. The Governmenttakes how Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe no action to recover loans from industrialists people are treated. There is the Naasriganj but rules, al e followed to the letter when Police Station in Rohtas district in Bihar. In loans are outstanding against Scheduled this area there is a village called Budha. Castes and Scheduled Tribes. They are given just Rs. 6,000 as loan to start a leather A man was murdered in this village and business. There is no change in this, in these the murderes was an influential person. To 42 years thei r conQ ition h as gone from bad to save the culprit, the Station House Officer of worse. Industrialists get as much of loans as Noasriganj police station summoned the they want but Schedu led Castes get only Rs. watchman named Sanmukhram and asked 6,000. This is the policy of the Government. him to shield the real culprit by giving evi- the Congress Government had introduced dence against someone else. The watch- some schemes and one of them was the man, who belonged to Scheduled Caste. Indira Awaas Yojana. These dwelling units refused to give such an evidence. The Sta- were constructed far awaytrom villages only tion House Officer then killed the watchman to underline the fact that the houses be- in the vicinity of the police station and hung longed to harijans. Even from a distance the corpse on a tree. What I mean to say is people can make out that these houses that such is the state of affairs in our villages belong to Harijans. Such schemes produce even today. an inferiority complex among Har}j,clns. Such colonies can be set on fire any tj~e. Even Sir, there is one more thing. For 42 today colonies called Indira Awaas which years the Congress Government was not are meant solely for Harijans are ~ituated far able to provide reservation facility to Sched- away from villages. I request that\this prac- uled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. The tice be stopped. Congress Government had made a rule that . reserved seats which were vacant upto Sir, I am grateful that the present Prime November, 1989 would be filled up. I am Minister hon. Shri. V. P. Singh ",nveiled a sorry to say that the backlog has not been portrait of Dr. B. A. Ambedkar in t~e Central filled up till now. In my constituency a notice 679 Discussion und9r APRIL 25, 1990 Atrocities on 680 Ru19193 S.C. & S.T. [Sh. Chhedi Paswan1 So, we will take up this matter tomorrow also for discussion. It is not only the Minister wh was issued in August In connectIOn with the will reply to the debate, but the member::: reinstatement of 1800 teachers. People may also speak on this topic. Tomorrow, ~ belonging to upper castes filed a case in are going to have the Private Mambal> High Court and got a decisIOn that the rein- 'Business because Friday is a holiday. Ntir. statement order be declared nil and void. I permits, we will take up this discussion t request the Government to re-validate the fore the Private Members' Business star reinstatement order of 1800 teachers be- otherwise, if necessary, we can take it longing to Scheduled Castes and Scheduled after the Private Members' Business is 0\ Tribes and fill up the vacant reserved seats. Wrth these words I thank you for giving me an The House stands adjourned to m.· opportunity to speak. tomorrow at 11 A. M.
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MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: There are The Lok Sabha the'! adjoumed tin Elev~ many more members who want to speak on of the Clock on Thtll'sday, April ~6, 1ggi this topic probably a little more extensively. Vaisakha 6, 1~ (Saka)
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