NATIONAL LIFE STORIES CITY LIVES Julius Neave Interviewed by David Phillips C409/34
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NATIONAL LIFE STORIES CITY LIVES Julius Neave Interviewed by David Phillips C409/34 This interview and transcript is accessible via http://sounds.bl.uk. © The British Library Board. Please refer to the Oral History curators at the British Library prior to any publication or broadcast from this document. Oral History The British Library 96 Euston Road London NW1 2DB United Kingdom +44 (0)20 7412 7404 [email protected] Every effort is made to ensure the accuracy of this transcript, however no transcript is an exact translation of the spoken word, and this document is intended to be a guide to the original recording, not replace it. Should you find any errors please inform the Oral History curators BRITISH LIBRARY NATIONAL SOUND ARCHIVE NATIONAL LIFE STORY COLLECTION INTERVIEW SUMMARY SHEET ____________________________________________________________ Ref. No.: C409/034 Playback Nos: F406-416 inclusive ____________________________________________________________ Collection Title: City Lives ____________________________________________________________ Interviewee's surname: Neave Title: Mr Interviewee's forenames: Julius Arthur Sheffield Date of Birth: l7th July l9l9 Sex: Male ____________________________________________________________ Date(s) of recording: l8/l2/89; 5/l/90; 24/l/90 Location of interview: Interviewee's home Name of interviewer: David Phillips Type of recorder: Marantz Total no. of tapes: ll Speed: Type of tape: C60 Noise Reduction: dbx Mono or stereo: Stereo Original or copy: Original ____________________________________________________________ Additional material: Five photographs; two booklets on M & G ____________________________________________________________ Copyright/clearance: Full clearance given ________________________________________________________ James Neave C409/34 Tape 1 Side A (Part 1) Page 1 Tape 1 Side A (part 1) Can you tell me when and where you were born? I was born in July l9l9, very near here. I mean you can almost see it. Here being? In this village. The actual parish is Fryerning. And Fryerning and Ingatestone are two sort of twin parishes. One north of the Al2 and the other one south of the Al2. Really that's how it works out now. But in the - at the time I was born both my grandparents lived in this parish. My father and his father lived in this house. And my mother and her parents lived in a house about - I suppose a mile and a half away across the fields. And - that's really - Was your grandfather a farmer or a landowner? No. My grandfather Sheffield Neave was left a very large fortune when he was still at Eton. And he was a remarkable man inasmuch as he never did a hands turn of work until he was 40. I say a hands turn of work. What happened was he became very keen on Africa and big game shooting and he went out there a lot and he reckoned that the only thing that was going to prevent Africa becoming a sort of agricultural paradise was the conquering of the tse-tse fly or the sleeping sickness problem in cattle. And remarkably at the age of 40 he qualified as a doctor with this idea. And he - did most of his work in the Belgian Congo and in Tanganika. In fact he was one of the founders of a thing that became quite well known, called Tanganika Concessions. But it never really got anywhere. But by this time he was qualified as a doctor. Do you remember him? Oh, very well. I mean there are pictures of him in the house. He was a great sort of outdoor man. He was master of the Essex Stag Hounds for a long time, which he kept here in the - the farm buildings. But he gave that up in l900 because he said that the place was getting too built over. So - Can I ask you what was the fortune from? Well, his - grandfather was governor of the Bank of England. And - or was it is father, I can't - But it was in the family. The family had big trading interests in - in - the Carribbean. All over the world. And although it was never - I don't think it was a very large firm, it was a very prosperous one - in the City. What sort of influences did he have on you? James Neave C409/34 Tape 1 Side A (Part 1) Page 2 He was a very - eccentric man in many ways. He was a very rough, tough chap also. I mean to - to describe him a little bit. He never gave up playing polo even at the age of 83 when he died. But he'd had to give up hunting. Because he couldn't off his horse and do a pee and get on again. But playing polo was alright because it only lasted for 7 minutes. And so he thought he wasn't getting enough exercise so he took up playing golf. And - my brother and I used to go and play golf with him. This was at the age of 80. And he'd play l8 holes in the morning, starting at about 8 o'clock, before anybody else could get on the tee. And I mean his golf was quite awful. I mean it was quite beyond anything getting him a handicap or anything like that. And then we'd get back to the car about mid-day and have a sandwich of some kind and a cup of coffee. And then we'd play another l8 holes. We'd then come back and finish off the sandwiches. And so that he hadn't played the first or the second 9 very well. Which was the understatement of all time. And then play another 9 holes. Well you see at that sort of age he was remarkably tough. I think he had a big influence on one. I mean we used to have to carry his cartridges out shooting and he went out shooting, he never stopped. He was the most tremendously energetic man. How old were you then? I suppose I was - this was mostly on holiday from prep school. I suppose I was l0, l2, l4. My father was a soldier. And - this old grandfather kept him very short of money. Because he'd - said he hadn't - When he was at Sandhurst, my father, he was going into the Rifle Brigade. And you had to have a Kings nomination to do that in those days. What does that mean? Well you had to be nominated. I'm not quite sure what the full procedure was, but it wasn't easy to get into the Rifle Brigade. And it required a certain amount of influence and this sort of - And my father got this while he was at Eton. And then went to Sandhurst. My grandfather was out - typically Victorian this - was out in Africa. But had given him a horse. And this horse through no fault of my father's fell down dead under him in a steeplechase at Sandhurst. And from then on he was regarded as having no idea of the value of money. And so he was kept very short of money. And in fact this old grandfather never sent my brother and I to Eton and we were the only Neaves that I know of who never went to Eton. We were sent to Sherborne. Not that I have any regrets now. I enjoyed my time at Sherborne. And I think it was probably a very much better influence on ones career perhaps than Eton would have been. Your father was unable to pay for the fees for you to go? He was a soldier and until my grandfather died he was pretty - pretty hard up. And I think that's very good for one to know what the meaning of poverty was. Because I didn't have any money at all. And - anyrate I think that was the sort of influence that he - He did a lot with us in funny ways. He used to take us out. But - take us out around here and - I was quite fond him. A bit frightened of him. James Neave C409/34 Tape 1 Side A (Part 1) Page 3 Why? Well he was a pretty tough customer. Did he influence your father to go into the army do you think? I think probably not. I think my father - had always wanted to go into the army. But to finish the story about - he didn't go into the Rifle Brigade. He went into the County Regiment. And his whole army career was in the Essex Regiment. And in fact he went straight from Sandhurst to the Boer War. With several friends of his at Eton. Notably old Sir Cahn Rasch who was a great Essex character. And - and they went out there straight from Sandhurst. Then he had a lot of time in India. And - I think - I don't think the work ethic was ever a very high priority in the Englishman of those days. Are we talking about your grandfather? And my father too. And my father too. And I mean a soldier's life then was one of providing one with the opportunities of doing almost any sport you wanted to do at a price you could afford to do it with people you enjoyed doing it with. And I mean it didn't provide him with an opportunity of making money or having to do a lot of work. And I think really the attitude of that generation has always seemed to me that there was no virtue in work. Which is very different today. When work is regarded as being an essential in the sort of ethic that one is brought up to.