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OFFICIAL RECORD of PROCEEDINGS Thursday, 5 December 2019 the Council Continued to Meet at Nine O'clock LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 5 December 2019 2853 OFFICIAL RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Thursday, 5 December 2019 The Council continued to meet at Nine o'clock MEMBERS PRESENT: THE PRESIDENT THE HONOURABLE ANDREW LEUNG KWAN-YUEN, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE JAMES TO KUN-SUN THE HONOURABLE LEUNG YIU-CHUNG THE HONOURABLE ABRAHAM SHEK LAI-HIM, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TOMMY CHEUNG YU-YAN, G.B.S., J.P. PROF THE HONOURABLE JOSEPH LEE KOK-LONG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE JEFFREY LAM KIN-FUNG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG TING-KWONG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE STARRY LEE WAI-KING, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN HAK-KAN, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN KIN-POR, G.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE PRISCILLA LEUNG MEI-FUN, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG KWOK-KIN, S.B.S., J.P. 2854 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 5 December 2019 THE HONOURABLE MRS REGINA IP LAU SUK-YEE, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE PAUL TSE WAI-CHUN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CLAUDIA MO THE HONOURABLE STEVEN HO CHUN-YIN, B.B.S. THE HONOURABLE FRANKIE YICK CHI-MING, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WU CHI-WAI, M.H. THE HONOURABLE YIU SI-WING, B.B.S. THE HONOURABLE CHARLES PETER MOK, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN CHI-CHUEN THE HONOURABLE CHAN HAN-PAN, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG CHE-CHEUNG, S.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE KENNETH LEUNG THE HONOURABLE ALICE MAK MEI-KUEN, B.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE KWOK KA-KI THE HONOURABLE KWOK WAI-KEUNG, J.P. THE HONOURABLE DENNIS KWOK WING-HANG THE HONOURABLE CHRISTOPHER CHEUNG WAH-FUNG, S.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE FERNANDO CHEUNG CHIU-HUNG DR THE HONOURABLE HELENA WONG PIK-WAN LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 5 December 2019 2855 THE HONOURABLE IP KIN-YUEN THE HONOURABLE ELIZABETH QUAT, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MARTIN LIAO CHEUNG-KONG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE POON SIU-PING, B.B.S., M.H. DR THE HONOURABLE CHIANG LAI-WAN, S.B.S., J.P. IR DR THE HONOURABLE LO WAI-KWOK, S.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHUNG KWOK-PAN THE HONOURABLE ALVIN YEUNG THE HONOURABLE ANDREW WAN SIU-KIN THE HONOURABLE CHU HOI-DICK THE HONOURABLE JIMMY NG WING-KA, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE HO KAI-MING THE HONOURABLE LAM CHEUK-TING THE HONOURABLE HOLDEN CHOW HO-DING THE HONOURABLE SHIU KA-FAI, J.P. THE HONOURABLE SHIU KA-CHUN THE HONOURABLE WILSON OR CHONG-SHING, M.H. THE HONOURABLE YUNG HOI-YAN, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE PIERRE CHAN 2856 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 5 December 2019 THE HONOURABLE CHAN CHUN-YING, J.P. THE HONOURABLE TANYA CHAN THE HONOURABLE CHEUNG KWOK-KWAN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE HUI CHI-FUNG THE HONOURABLE LUK CHUNG-HUNG, J.P. THE HONOURABLE LAU KWOK-FAN, M.H. THE HONOURABLE KENNETH LAU IP-KEUNG, B.B.S., M.H., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE CHENG CHUNG-TAI THE HONOURABLE KWONG CHUN-YU THE HONOURABLE JEREMY TAM MAN-HO THE HONOURABLE GARY FAN KWOK-WAI THE HONOURABLE AU NOK-HIN THE HONOURABLE VINCENT CHENG WING-SHUN, M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TONY TSE WAI-CHUEN, B.B.S. THE HONOURABLE CHAN HOI-YAN MEMBERS ABSENT: THE HONOURABLE MICHAEL TIEN PUK-SUN, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MA FUNG-KWOK, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE JUNIUS HO KWAN-YIU, J.P. LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 5 December 2019 2857 PUBLIC OFFICERS ATTENDING: THE HONOURABLE MATTHEW CHEUNG KIN-CHUNG, G.B.M., G.B.S., J.P. CHIEF SECRETARY FOR ADMINISTRATION THE HONOURABLE PAUL CHAN MO-PO, G.B.M., G.B.S., M.H., J.P. FINANCIAL SECRETARY DR DAVID CHUNG WAI-KEUNG, J.P. UNDER SECRETARY FOR INNOVATION AND TECHNOLOGY, AND SECRETARY FOR INNOVATION AND TECHNOLOGY DR THE HONOURABLE LAW CHI-KWONG, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR LABOUR AND WELFARE DR CHUI TAK-YI, J.P. UNDER SECRETARY FOR FOOD AND HEALTH, AND SECRETARY FOR FOOD AND HEALTH THE HONOURABLE PATRICK NIP TAK-KUEN, J.P. SECRETARY FOR CONSTITUTIONAL AND MAINLAND AFFAIRS MR TSE CHIN-WAN, B.B.S., J.P. UNDER SECRETARY FOR THE ENVIRONMENT MR SONNY AU CHI-KWONG, P.D.S.M., J.P. UNDER SECRETARY FOR SECURITY DR CHOI YUK-LIN, J.P. UNDER SECRETARY FOR EDUCATION DR BERNARD CHAN PAK-LI, J.P. UNDER SECRETARY FOR COMMERCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MR JOSEPH CHAN HO-LIM, J.P. UNDER SECRETARY FOR FINANCIAL SERVICES AND THE TREASURY MR JACK CHAN JICK-CHI, J.P. UNDER SECRETARY FOR HOME AFFAIRS 2858 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 5 December 2019 CLERKS IN ATTENDANCE: MS ANITA SIT, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL MISS FLORA TAI YIN-PING, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL MS DORA WAI, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL MR MATTHEW LOO, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 5 December 2019 2859 MEMBERS' MOTIONS PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Council will continue the debate on the motion moved under Article 73(9) of the Basic Law. Mr WU Chi-wai, please speak. MOTION UNDER ARTICLE 73(9) OF THE BASIC LAW TO FORM AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION COMMITTEE TO INVESTIGATE THE CHARGES AGAINST THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE FOR SERIOUS BREACH OF LAW AND/OR DERELICTION OF DUTY Continuation of debate on motion which was moved on 4 December 2019 MR WU CHI-WAI (in Cantonese): Today's motion is to discuss forming an independent investigation committee to investigate the charges against the Chief Executive for serious breach of law and/or dereliction of duty. Yesterday, I heard the Chief Secretary for Administration say in his opening remarks that the Chief Executive had not breached the law, so no one should support the call to form an independent investigation committee to investigate the charges against the Chief Executive for serious breach of law and/or dereliction of duty. I feel that a fundamental question is involved here. Is it true that the Chief Executive's responsibility for Hong Kong is limited to legality only? Let us just focus on dereliction of duty. Is the inaction of the SAR Government not hurting the interests of Hong Kong society? When 70% of the voters in the society came out to vote in order to show their opinion on the Government's policy, but the Government neither responds nor handles the current political predicament in the direction pointed out by the polling result, I think it is absolutely a dereliction of duty in political terms. I remember raising a question to the authorities not long ago, asking them whether the Government knew the core issue of the political predicament in this time. The Chief Secretary replied that the Government had not conducted any opinion poll, so it did not have a grasp of the situation. The polling result of the District Council ("DC") Election has now told the Chief Secretary and the Government that the people's opinion is crystal clear. During the election this time, the pro-establishment camp, the pro-Government camp and even the Government's propaganda machine all called for the need to stop violence and 2860 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ― 5 December 2019 curb disorder. I actually reckon that the people of Hong Kong also wish to see the disorder coming to a halt, so that everyone can resume a normal life. However, to the pro-Government camp, the pro-establishment camp and the SAR Government, to "stop violence" means refusal to appreciate the cause of the people's grievances, and an attempt to continue administration through the brutal crackdown by the Police and the institutional violence. This is inaction, for the Government has not considered "political problems warrant political solutions" as a means to solve the political quagmire presently, and it even kept using hypocritical rhetoric to shirk responsibility. Society demanded the Government to form an independent commission of inquiry, and opinion polls showed that 80% of the Hong Kong people think this is the quest with the highest consensus. After considering this for half a year, and after the DC Election, the Government said it would form an independent review committee, but can this be considered as a response? It can be likened to a situation in which you go to a café and order breakfast Set A, but the café gives you Set C, would you accept that? Do you think the café has fulfilled its responsibility in doing that? You have ordered breakfast Set A, but it gives you Set C, now what would be your reaction? The reaction might differ from one person to another, but everyone would remember this café which could not do even a simple thing as that, so how could we have confidence in the services of this café? The problem before the SAR Government is this kind of plight. To the Police and the SAR Government, half of the people give them a zero score, and the Government's popularity rating is just above two points, so how can it govern? The Government does not solve the core problems and regain trust from the people, but talk lavishly about the need to continue its effort to connect, to stand fast at its post, and to assume responsibilities for Hong Kong. In fact, the very remark per se is utterly irresponsible, because she does not even know what responsibilities she should take. Worse still, she is unwilling to cope with the situation either. When the Chief Executive responded to the polling result of the DC Election, I found one line of her words amazing.
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