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Trevor: Hello Everyone This Is Trevor Justice with the Vegetarian Health Institute Macrobiotic Diet Trevor: Hello everyone this is Trevor Justice with the Vegetarian Health institute. Tonight’s call is on macrobiotic cuisine and our guess expert is Meredith McCarty, Author of the book “Sweet and Natural.” How are you doing Meredith? Meredith: I am doing just great Trevor, thanks for having me. Trevor: Yes you’re welcome. So as you know, tonight’s topic is Macrobiotic Diet or Macrobiotic cuisine and if anyone is listening right now and has a question, please go ahead and type your question into the box on the bottom of the webpage that you were emailed earlier. Since we don’t have questions yet Meredith why don’t you just kind of give us a summary of why do people need a macrobiotic cuisine and what are the benefits? Meredith: Okay. Well macrobiotics has kind of a long history. The word itself, macro-bios means large view of life so it’s always been about trying to live our life in harmony with what was called by the original oriental teachers the order of the universe, the order of the infinite universe. So the word macro-bios, large view of life is living you life the way that it is the kindest and the gentlest to the environment and to our bodies as well. So it’s very ecological and very economical. It’s kind of the forerunner of California cuisine in terms of the principles of macrobiotics have always been locally grown food, plant foods, organic as much as possible. So it’s very ecological and it’s been that way ever since it first started, which was about late 1800’s. Trevor: Well what are the differences between just a vegan diet and a macrobiotic diet? Aren’t there some specific differences in terms of using more seaweeds and… Meredith: Yes, that’s true. The macrobiotic diet is based on vegetables and grains with smaller amounts of beans and soy foods, smaller amounts of nuts and seeds and small amounts of animal foods if people really want that, that’s kind of how it’s always been. And since in the many years that it’s been around since the late 1800’s, it’s gone through a lot of different metamorphosis and a lot of people in macrobiotics are vegan but the things that distinguishes macrobiotic is the idea of proportion and balance. The Yin and Yang, that always came forward from the study of acid and alkaline actually and I can go into more of that later. The history is Page 1 of 25 Macrobiotic Diet pretty interesting and it’s only a few paragraphs long so I can summarize it. But the foods that are focused on – it’s a slightly alkaline diet and that’s why plant foods are preferred and the original teachers were Japanese. They of course were surrounded by seas and that’s why they have fish in their diets just like the Okinawa’s did, who were the most studied long-lived culture on this planet. [Inaudible 00:03:36] it was a very small amount as with the healthiest cultures in China and elsewhere, very small amounts. So since that time, people in our country and particularly in Europe and macrobiotics is all over the world, its kind of end and slowed in its popularity but it’s still everywhere. I mean I talk to people in different parts of the world through email a lot and always hear about the macrobiotic conferences and things like that. So at this time, I’d say what really distinguishes it is the idea of proportion balance that the foods that grow most easily on the planet and have always been eating by the longest-lived people on the planet are the ones that were meant to eat because they are most available and least expensive and are good for the planet as well. They put minerals into the planet as they’re grown and rotated and that sort of thing. Trevor: Okay well a lot of things you’re saying are also true for many vegans who are not macrobiotic and that’s why I’m – so I understand it’s possible that a macrobiotic could include some animal foods such as fish but for macrobiotic people like yourself who don’t include animal foods, what I’m trying to help listeners understand is how is this different than a vegan diet because so far most of what you’ve said, whole grains and legumes with vegetables, I mean it sounds like a vegan diet. So what differentiates this? Meredith: The main different is the proportion and balance aspect of it. A lot of vegans really don’t know that vegetables and grains are really the most important foods to be eating and the most predominant and many vegans are very much into processed food. So it can get kind of twisted by our modern society because everybody wants to buy things in packages that are quick and easy to prepare that the idea of the simplicity of really what grows and in what proportion and balance to eat it is one of the main focuses of macrobiotics. That those two food groups, the vegetables, and the grains are the most important followed by lesser of beans and lesser nuts and seeds and fruits as well. Some vegans feel that fruit is just as important as vegetables when actually they’re so different, really different and that vegetables are really more important for Page 2 of 25 Macrobiotic Diet human health than our fruits, although fruits are fantastic foods but they do have a lot of sugar so they wouldn’t be as important as the grains and the vegetables. So that’s one thing and then you could also add in about the healing foods that are involved in macrobiotics. Macrobiotics has always been seen as a healing diet and those would be the foods that would contribute to that in particular that are particular to macrobiotics but are used by many people in natural foods world now and that’s foods like miso, good quality soy sauce and tamari, wheat-free soy sauce umeboshi plum and paste and vinegar, umeboshi vinegar as well and also ume plum concentrate and seaweeds, a whole genre of vegetables that really were introduced from the natural foods world through macrobiotics because the original features are Japanese and they always ate those foods. And it’s interesting because the teachers that I had in the early 70s, they were sent over to the US and to Europe from Japan by their teacher Jojo Osawa and when they came over here, it was about world peace. They were promoting good diet for world peace and then when they got here they saw that people were pretty sick by their judgment and they decided that instead of teaching about word peace, they were going to teach how to eat, so that’s how the whole thing started. It started as a world peace movement and kind of morphed into this thing that is the macrobiotic diet and that’s been taught ever since because it got recognition as actually helping people to reverse disease and so that – Dr. Satalero, he was President of [Inaudible 0:07:54] Methodist Hospital in the 70s and he reversed his cancer. I believe he had prostate cancer that had metastasized to the bones and within one year of doing macrobiotics at a study house, you know a place where people are living and cooking breakfast, lunch and dinner he would go over there, he actually reversed the cancer and was cancer free. So that’s what got everybody’s attention back in the 70s and then all of a sudden it became the cancer diet which is not how it started as it all but that’s what happened there. Trevor: Now that makes me think of – Oh let me just pause for a moment because according to the tele-seminar website, there are lots of people in the call now but nobody has asked a question yet. So if you’re listening and you have a question, just go to the website that we emailed you earlier today and at the bottom in the middle of the page there’s a box where you can type your question and hit submit. Now what you just said made me think of the optimal health institute. I think that’s what it’s called in San Diego where a lot of people have gone who had cancer and then but the time they leave they’re in remission and they only serve raw food. Page 3 of 25 Macrobiotic Diet So obviously a raw food diet is very different than macrobiotic but what’s the commonality, is it the fact that we’re talking about all whole foods that are predominantly vegan in both cases? Meredith: That’s what I believe it is and macrobiotic does include raw food. I mean people have salads and pressed salads, raw salads, pickles and so it’s definitely got raw foods in there. I would say nowadays, more macrobiotic people are eating more raw food but it’s always had some raw food in there. So it’s never said not to eat it at all unless the person was extremely weak and cold and in that case, they would say to start with more warming foods according to oriental medicine which also has gotten involved in macrobiotics as well.
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