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MUPTKAR states that the FBl had recently arrested _lT='l_=;.-'£ j_na him in New York City subsequent to his escape from Washington D.C, following his arrest there during the May Day Demonstration. -1 _ -u HOFFMAN stated he had been smuggled out of Jail in a garbage -- can. HOFERAK further stated in a facetious manner that he did not .92-'-" . know either BERNIE DAVIS or JOHN FROINES and had n ot conspired 7- -1.2 with them regarding the May Day Demonstration in Washington, D.C.

ANITA HOFFMAN stated that there would be another E" ; demonstration in Washington, D.C. some time this summer, and she hoped that more people would appear this t ime. "

DOUGLAS, the moderator, then asked HOFFMAN how many F- times he had been arrested. HOFFMAN responded tha t he thought .92_ _. . that he had been arrested Uh times and had been involved in 20 Ltrials. LF 1:. HOFFHAN then advised that Kent State University KSU! Iii; is currently the most intriguing campus in the nat ion. He stated that there are at least 200 police agents o n campus in addition to other infiltrators and informants. According to HOFEMAH, the four students killed at KSU in May, 1970, were 3-1!-I9-'1! depicted by the U.S. Government as being clean cut dupes, when .- T7- actually they were "scruffy hippies" who were invo lved in radical -- Q activities on campus. DOUGLAS then commented that the known ' - campus radicals at KSU who had appeared on several "talk" shows foil nim- prior to the shootings, were not present on campus when the -. '_:. four students were shot. HOFFMAN answered with "b 1 IOUGLAS than said he could furnish names of such r aloney". on campus to HOFFMAN off the air. HOFFMAN did not adicals who were ----an further consent on the subject, however, the program at this point temporarily went off the air.

_T.'.44 DOUGLAS then asked HOFFMAN if revolution was his __.,,._.. most important consideration. HOFFMAN responded t hat love is the most important thing. Fortunately, we do not distinguish between love and revolution". DOUGLAShavewto HOFFMAN, "given the present state of the country, then asked why do we . Q ".~ SF! need a revolution". HOFTMAN stated that the youth movement now is trying to form a New Nation, also Known as the Woodstock Nation, with its avowed purpose being the establis hment of new values. HOFFMAN believes in a utopian society whore there is no wo: He stated that his philosophy is contained in his book, "Tales of HOF¥MAN which Random Househas"refused to publish because it contains specific instructions on how to steal -,1~-~ '-- .....,. _,.- . ... 7,... . -,. .. ._ ....- ._,, .,,.._< 8?? . .*"iF§T*'°-.,..r , ,.,.- ..L.r...... _. ..-. -_.. -..,_, ___._,,.__, ______, ,_...... - ...... Ly _92;-...... -...... 4..¢.... 92-~ '-.v- 92 -- - . e. .~ -.' - - . :-/1-:92-I-31:-0-JK. --u L--Ln -Auv we/-QUQJ-J-L4 92....J_.,__,.. Iran:-bl-'I

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HOWARD MILLS R's Chicago Show n 4 .1», .92n leleoee to"oHA£D !!LL!B Qhiesgo," an hour of topical conversation from the heart or mid-America and L " now here with our guests is HOWARD.

Thank you very much AL PARKER and good evening ladies and gentlemen, it's a delight to he with you again to present our guests on this show. The name of the program someone thought to call it,wl9HOWARD Ieets 1 <-__.'- the HOFFHANs." Properly I suppose it should be said "The HOFFMANs Meet HOWARD" hccause I think 2's here --w more often than probably the HOFFHANs; at least out of jail more often and I believe that there is probably Inna-4 never been conceived a teleyision ha.-__-_ ' show that brought people together with a wider diversity of attitudes and philosophy and a conduct of life ?** than this program tonight. So how it ends nobody viii know but we welcome to our pane1_ABBIE and ANITA § HOFFMAN on"Chicago."' ft I -I-I-8.-h 0:--A. I0 I I.-A l.__4- -5.... -1 I I-I-I-I-I-Ill Ill:-DB U11 I. II-92|l IIUBD. IU§llI_L'i edge,a ABBIE and ANITA that a,one of the main reasons you are making these frequent television appearances is because you have both written books. ._-.1 A.this is a frequent n,excursion of yours and to the ethereal so to speak ABBIE, writing a,books. I think this is the third or fourth in a series.

ABBIE HOFFMAN: Third or fourth, yeah.

HOIARD MILLER: A,ANN or ANITA as you call yourself AHN in this book as the authoress, is this your first attempt? . . eh

ANITA HOFFMAN: Um~hun, yes.

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92l 71 '1 I JMNITA HOFFMAN Ana have you decided to go straight ABBIE HOFFMAN end start eriting books nee, both of we you or are you going to continue to break the law?"

I don't think the books are too HOIARD IILLER straight, so ah.,_, ANITA HOFPIAN Well there are ah, yours is porn- 1--.-I;-..... -_--...__._ ography and that's straight literature uuwann IILLERZ these days and its about the only '5-V v thing that sells. .... ABBIE HOFFMAN: In .~ . Thank you. __ Q - I ..,....-'1 She wrote it sitting in the gallery @'7 or a, a the Judge's a, forget his -L- HOWARD KILLER: name a, here in Chicago. , * ¢..i-1 41 t -|_:r1 Judge HOFFMAN? '

IBBIE BOFFIAN: Yeah.

HOWARD HILLER: see111:! A fine judge.

In his courtroom ah, she had nothing to do so she wrote the hook and ah, -11 ;L ________L:A it-Jew e I 11 tne purnugrpnlc §8Gt1OnS IOPB Just fantasies of her and the Judge. ':-. 1 r-. '" I believed that it was. Ab, ABBIE so irequeetlg you have been referred to as the clown prince.

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'-51-. HOWARD MILLER: Why, poor boys have become Presidents. Almost anybody if he seeks the Presid _' | ency, certainly has the right to achieve that ah, goal. He may not ls; achieve it because of our selective fs system and political parties but certainly has a right. Ah, so you can't debunk the thought that v there is the privilege, the opportunity there. »=j_e f;-L

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ABBIE HOFFMAN I didn't see that many in Cook County Jail last time....

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ABBIE HOFFMAN I'm not so sure they did time. r. 1'? HOWARD KILLER: Who lrt you referring to now?

ABBIE HOFFMAN: Board of Directors at General ,.. _1 Electric, I didn't see them :4 in Cook County Jail. -.4 » -_

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ANITA HOFFHANt White oobr crimes never do, ah you know, business, civil, you knad Left. you call it a civil case and that means no jail.

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HOWARD KILLER of how to skirt the law. Hell .1 you see! expect e legitieate publisher to accept a treatise such as this and publish it because I doubt seriously if i it's going to have readership pt" . on the basis of a, of a pay tome and you can't expect a newspaper I to advertise something that Ia--" indicates how to break lav. ----t 1 , - ABBIE HOFFMAN Iell, 1'0, ahmm, I'm not exactly ,-"1 sure about that because the day -;-.¢_ they advocate for example, how _-L-G if they would advocate how you would start a bank. That to us would be a way of advocating how to break the law. You know if General Rotors is involved in breaking the law, we could name a number of laws that their involved in breaking. You know pollution laws, a safety laws, a...

92 HOWARD KILLER I don't know that their guilty in breaking any laws as of now.

-1! ABBIE HOFFMAN The American, the American telephone company, a few years ago also was involved in a similar scheme in which the government found that E they were involved in robbing the American public of ah, couple of billion dollars and yet nobody would suggest that AT&T doesn't have the right to advertise. So again its a question of what you consider crime. I don't consider shoplifting in the same breath that I do in terms or ah, taking a neat for example and adding' .-.1: faulty chemicals to make it look ,ood,of using false promotions, you know of using all the other kinds , .of trickeries that super- markntc ._.._- --. --_. nqn. .--.--,,' J-up vnu ._'-,92_,¢can

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HOWARD IILLEI Iell of course People like that 92 when'their caught, when they're I apprehended, the ah district attorney will file suit and they will go to Jail as properly they should. There shouldn't he two laws, nobody argues the fact there should be two lass but there shocle 5 be lav and it should be abided by e$ all people whether their boards '3 of directors or General Electric or whether their ABBIE HOPFHANs or ANITA HOFFHAN8.

,e_ - ABBIE HOFFMAN Ah, Iewzs §¥&1Vc in Lhe'tria1 5!» about a year ago here in town. Did, you heard about thnt....

,_,|u~ HOWARD MILLER: I heard about it, I read a little about it. you-4-1! ABBIE HOFFMAN: Well, one thing I learned in that .r:h: .' trial and Ive been traveling to other countries, ah quite I bit during the last year and sost people conclude that if there was one person responsibile for what the government itself called a police riot, it happens r to be the fair mayor of this town, but you cannot conceive of the -._.| mayor of this town and the chief Iv -' of police and the superintendent to 4,- 92 .3 of police being put on trial tor - -e , conspiracy to incite riot. You can't conceive or that because the courts are not there to punish people like Iayor DALEY or for that matter to assert any kind of Justice. They're there to protect the power and the property of.mt, P-it people like Heycr DALEY. "

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HOWARD HILLER - 0 The citizenry. To protect the citizenry of the City of Chicago. ABBIE HOFFMAN No, I wouldn't exactly say that. Ah, ahmm, in Washington this weekend ah, people eere picked us on the *3 basis of how they looked, ah the J color of their skin, their age, not because they were committing any particular kind of act, just - -.' because they happened to be on - the streets. I don't know if L~*I a ~:.§ i you would agree vith that, but "-13" the federal courts themselves did and accused the attorney general ¥ of committing what amounts to 13,000 illegal arrests.

_-r- HOWARD KILLER: ABBIE lets take a break here, "i we'll be back in Just a moment on"Chicago."

---_ HOWARD------_ nu urLn:n--qua;-poo u ABBIE, I sometimes feel that you would rather be a comedienne on a program like this and be 1- ma funny because you have an acute sense of human than be serious. However, I wish you would though be serious for just a moment because - 1 there are a couple or questions ' ! that I think maybe I can hope to find out about you and perhaps yofll find out about no, ii you don't already know, of about your serious- ness in this movement. First_of£ you advocate the destruction of, the destroying of our system of government. Is this what you vrofess to believe?

ABBIE HOFFMAN: Yes. ~. , ANITA HOFYMAR: Yes. Ah, this country, ah you know is onegsixteenth of the world

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HOWARD IILLER What do you-moan by resources, _é; it; 55 bercent of the resources? ?ou mean the naturai resources?

ANITA HOFFMAN A11 it means are copper nines in Chile. Yeah, natural resources. -v-1 ABBIE HOPFIAN No more in Chile. laughingly!.

J ANITA HOFFMAN: Well, that's right,aughing!

ABBIE HOFFMAN: Give them back.

.- HOWARD IILLER. Well that's not true, that's not true but go ahead and take it from there. g _ m m* . ANITA HOFFMAN: Well, it, they have lost long range ...- lease agreements but uhmm, ah you knee we were reading about China and, and you don't have to be like a left wing, or communist ah,reporter to write articles which are coming out now about how nobody there has to worry about being hungry. Nobody has to worry about ah, not having a Job. and then you know, you think ,_': of Harlem, you think oi Bedford Fibeytuaerrt phonetic!. We're from "he New York so ah, I mean ah, they just burned down ah...... - - e ...... r .n_..04. -___ __.L_-L -_- . . HOHABD !!LLE£: 0L ¬Gh?ac 1 nun n snow wnat you call ah, hunger is but I wouio think that when the Chinese pop- n.-._ ulation gets an average or couple of bowls of rinn n In k fhcf .- _ri_- -_ __-c _ _-e, ."t.

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..,i ANITA HOFFMAN Well there, Indians are....

HOWARD IILLER he You see you, you people I think __,,. make these charges against the United States without having ... _._, documentation of what you say. Ah, it you were going to destroy r. 4» 1 this system then that system would you employ? If ve-have 55 percent of the natural wealth of the world in this country, maybe itb our system to develop that. --an __ ANITA HOFFMAN! Maybe ah, the reason there are still hungry people in this country ,4-' is because most ah rich people are hoarding it to themselves. - .- People who are, rule this country.

"- 1 HOWARD MILLER: we have the highest standard of _1|-0&5 living of any nation in the world. For a mean average, for r'~_-I a mean average, for a nean average. Ft -.11 By far, the mean average or the .,-V...-if United States or America is the highest standard of living in the I-_f -Y world.

ANITA HOFFMAN! But that's, that's tron raping the rest of the world anyway. I mean in Cuba they have free telephones and tree rent, and 1I_1q._ nobody goes hungry in China. #5? People are going hungry here. HOWARD KILLER: Nobody goes hungry in China at all? -L»! sag ,7...

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ABBIE HOFPHAN: Hey HOWARD, how cone all these intellectual questions. - Hhere 1s the name calling already? I nean....

HOWARD IILLEH: Well I know that, I know that _i. frequently it, it must be very ". _.- refreshing for you to speak seriously to someone, seriously rather than make mockery of what you stand for. I think that it you really want t0_preseut s cause, I think you really, it you want to present a cause... ABBIE and ANITA 1aughing!...ABBIE, I would think that it you wanted to-present a cause, you ought to do it with M7 some degree of a seriousness to ' the approach of the thing, if you don't want people to continue Q to think of you as the clownprince, " 4 it you really have.... I ANITA HOFFMAN: I thought he was pretty serious before. I must say, I mean.... O 1! HOIARD IILLER2 If, if you really have a thrust, l J I would think that you could propose that thrust in a manner without being the comedienne.

ABBIE HOFFIAN: The last time I thrusted I got a broken nose. laughing!

HOWARD IILLER: That's right, your just getting over that assault on a police officer in Washington, D.C. Are ' you under arrest for that ABBIE?

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HOWARD KILLER Your lawyer's have assured you that you can bent this rap too. -"v-..-_. .". . ABBIE HOFFMAN Oh yeah. Ie got more lawyers than the Justice Department. Ti ' '1 -.-.; -; ...:,,_, -_ HQWARD EILLEB Z 1 Ehet do you propose than ABBIE? C Ah, I still haven't found a .. way to get an answer frog_th1s _ quesnion. what do you propose #=?f is a form of government then?

__ ABBIE HOFFMAN Haven't. Haven't. Communism, communiSm. laughing!

uuwnuu MILLER if your going to destroy the system that we have in America, you would like 10 have this a communist slate.

| ABBIE HOFFMAN Yes.

HOWARD KILLER: Are you a member of the Communist _ _ 0 ..--.-..-J Party? - _ = ABBIE HOFFHAN: laughinzl Ah, ah, I, I, I swear to God I'ma member of the Communist _L3 Party.

- 1 ANITA HOFFIAN: And I'm ahomosexual. =14 I-.. ABBIE HOFFIAH2 I'ma drug addict. HOIARD IILLER: are you actively working ah....

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ABBIE HOF?HAH: Ie11,I wouldn't use the word work you know, that is kind of a dirty word for us sorts. fr >.-L I _ HOWARD MILLER: You don't believe that work is....

il ; ABBIE HOFFMAN; I hang, I hang around there and '1 get my instructions. _ A HOWARD MILLER: All right now ABBIE let me ask you first if you believe in any....

ABBIE HOFFMAN: I was out voted about coming on this show.

HOWARD MILLER: If you believe in any law at all. Do you believe any law or regulation should exist any place in society?

:11 ABBIE HOFFMAN: Yell! a 4 1 HOWARD HOFFMAN You mentioned the power structure or a short while ago. Dont you have a power structure in the Yippie Iovement? Aren't you and JERRY as ,- RUBIN, ah some of your cohorts leaders in that movement and _ isn't this ah, a means of showing power over the rank and file of the Yippies.

ABBIB HOFFMAN: Our national headquarters is in Butte, Montana, and we've -I-QU never visited it, but I don't think its that, there always is the tendency of people who work within the system or support it

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i. HOWARD IILLER: Well, you can't blame the government for your pregnancy though. And it 5- ' you break the lew==== ls. .--,- ANITA HOFFMAN: Well, well look at who they indicted .- for the Hay Day demonstrations. Look r- at who they've indicted for the lay 4 Day demonstrations, JOHN FIDINES, RENNIE DAVIS, and ABBIE so far, probably DAVE DELLINGER, probably | JERRY RUBIN. - _i 9'1 . I a 1-y.Z_l_4 ABBIE HOFFMAN: They'll indict DAVE, DAVE DELLINGEH. 5 He was in the hospital two weeks blind 3 before the demonstrations took place.

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ANITA HOFFIAN: .-J. ..-1 . _'92 Yeah, uhm, we do have engineers he and scientists ah, who are creating, - you just have to read whole earth catalog, really to ah, see that all their people are inventing houses made out of foam, all kinds 3% of ways and AB, A BBIE's book still, this book is really a manual on how to survive, h ow to live in _;'._- the future which means not working, + ABBIE HOFFHAN: living for free, beceueetttt p 1 _- '1 _ 1- .-' For example, some telephone engineers _92 devise a device that you attach to the phone and make it receive all calls for nothing, that's in ,;: nownnn KILLER: the book. Providing your willing to break ABBIE HOFFMAN: the low to do ii.

Well. what's, what's a little iyq uownan MILLER: 1aw..... Okay sir, thank you very much for your question; number five - é ABBIE HOFFIAN: youii on "Chicago , " If your having a revo1ution,HOWARD §§e ¥ HOWARD IILLER: what's a law or two, I nean... laughing} What about you number live, you're 1:5; uuxnown HALE CALLER: on "Chicago." §5 ABBIE, I would like to know in, ah the way you view society in the '-.4 .¢ ---'--~ fnfnr-A ---v ah an-nu 1"" "-1 I_:QU 1-I--0 -'"¢~ rv--1--I-vnnnniq relate to their works; in other words an artist wouldn't call it work but relate to what he is .4 doing, sane thing for an engineer _- or a doctor. Now what would napben f"r.§§f-til ah, for people who would have to do more menial type things in society. 1' hm_.!_-. i~_ 11 ol l L

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ANITA HOFFMAN I think it uhn, it can be shared, -.» like thats what they do in China. Um, professors, diplomats have to ""3 . 4. spend time working in rice fields. . ., All those kind of menial tasks ~ A I think if they're shared by every- one then nobody has to devote his wo- life doing them. It becomes an equal burden.

HOWARD IILLER But isn't this a misuse of great brains and intelligence it you J . , remove an engineer or a scientist from his laboratory.

ANIT1 HOFFMAN But maybe everybody has great brains and intelligence. I think 4 we believe that most people are II. ; really creative and have that potential in then. E_. , HOIARD IILLER: well you certainly don't think J..-. that all people are suited to do the sane Job, though. You Fig.1 can't take a laborer who has 2.11 '-'11 never studied chemistry and.... ANITA HOFFMAN: Hobody's suited though for E menial labor. I don't think any human being probably is. Everyone is capable I think of '92%Q'e -i. better things, so we all just have to share that kind of work. T???

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HOIARD IILLER But in our system-don't we allow ,- 92 ./I5 them that opportunity to strive for'those better things and achieve -4 those better things.

LBBIE HOFFMAN: In this, in this system because fr. .4 -' we, we ah, this system uses com- :*._- petition becauae it believes people are basically evil so they have to, you know, inculcate them with competitive goals, you , _ J 1 - know; in fact, in his question . I implied, you know, a false dichotomy. 92- H He said whose going to do the dirty =-_; . work. You see, its only in this system that ah, we have-o concept 1 - '.__ of, you know, noble work and dirty work. If you don't have that concept, then there really is no , -we- __ division. t-; HOWARD MILLER But it you don't have that concept, your not being rea1istic.though, are you ABBIE?

ABBIE HOFFIAN And people seen picking up, people -¢ 1 seen picking up the got---; yes they11.thiuk you are, yeah, ah .,_ I mean I, 1.... r""'- v v _... " . FT ANITA HOFFMAN Because even within a family u like we share a what would, you _ -~ 4 know we, ah women through the ages 5 have always had to do that kind of '...J work.

HBBIE HOFFMAN I do the laundry, we share the custom we both write books and nobody....

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IOIARD IILLER But_neither of you have cone up -ta a Balk vaccine yet.

ABBIE HOFFMAN Iell,.vel1 ah, well ah...-

ANITA HOPFIAN Ie like our books.

ii ABBIE HOPFIAN It's already, it's already been - ¬ 4 done anyway. We're, we're aiming for bigger things. '

1 HOIARD IILLER: '5" 5 But you see Just as you say, you '. 1 but you like your books. You didn' want to discover the Salk vaccine. _~_. Nobody's denying that maybe you ..,E couid have, but the point is we 0 can't all do the same things.

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.1 ANITA HOFFIAN: Oh, we're not saying that, ah you . :»._ . know.

ABBIE HOFFMAN: IF.-"""'l First of all, 1 don't think the people that discovered the Salk vaccine relate exactly to what _.-a they do in this work. They_find some Joy in it. In other words, they don't a, they aren't relating Q with something that they gotta do ,_ .-an you know, they probably don't sleep _ At late; they probably get up early. ii-I-_,- we eieeo like foo? hours a day, .-ea eat about one meal you know and -._ people think we're the biggest . . |-|-a _ lazy bums in the country, which is ~.::'! r okay with us because eehe only dci what we do because of the Joy of H doing it not because of any.... J - 33%; 92h 20 P

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0 only shoes that I've got, I mean.... A 0 - *3 "S3 Well this, but this is part of the image that your living too, but I assume that when you drive or fly back to New York tomorrow it will be in a classy airplane.

'1' :¥1'| nun 492I92 mi-5G9 ll-on nu; llv I'll-I-Q: I-Ill Iv!-il92Bi§ LIIQU Z got from this show, I mean we @? Just had a great meal at the hotel and everything. ABBIE HOYFHAN O I You paid man.aughing!

HOIARD HELLER: Yeah, but this is the way you travel all over and this is why you do.

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ANITA HOPFIAN: Mean I stole it, well, we steal -r- a lot or stuff so.... off- ..-sir HOWARD IILLER: We'll go back to the phones. I know you don'tlive on forged -_»|I I credit cards because I'm sure you don't have to with the i royalties that you get from the '"F book. ABBIE HOFFMAN: --I Yeah, but that would be cheatin - 1 nan, that would be living in sin.

HOWARD IILLER: - < And once she started living on forged credit cards I'm sure "'3 that would be one more rap against you in the courts.

ANITA HOFFMAN: Because the money that a, the money that we bring in a, can go for better things you know, things that furtber.... -1w HOIARD HILLER: Number three your on" Chicago.II ll p-nu--1 UNKNOWN HALE CALLER A Ir. HOFFMAN,

HOIARD IILLER: Yes number three.

UNKNOWN HALE CALLER Can I have your opinion on ANGELA DAVIS?

ABBIE HOFFMAN: Ah, sure.... ANITA HOFFMAN! Our heroic sister, I mean....

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.- So your insier is that she is a __p soul sister and.... ABBIE HOFFIAN -.- f . I think I, Iell I think her trial is tremendously ilportant,1t's like _..- .7.-. _ a pretty interesting they can't .:,._f.. even find a judge to do it but a, 1, I think it's a, re plan to go l out there you know a, the law, the good law willing and a you know n, '- a help in any way we kind in her trial once it starts and BUSSEL Ph! 1-3 ,- MC GEE, there happen to be two people on trial but you know how the personalities.... HOWARD MILLER 0 n And you'll be out there to testify or in her behalf if it's required. ABBIE HOFFMAN E? No,we'll be out to help a raise money, to help a cross statelines ' on1 uomum u n.1.r:n= to raise.... . _ -I I -'5'-Z Thank you very much for your question ~pa: sir, we'll be back now in Just a moment with the HOFFHANs on "Chicago." ' ' HOWARD IILLER: ABBIE and ANITA one thing that you could do which would be a positive force for good is speak out against drugs, do you or do you speak out for drugs. _ ANITA HOFFMAN 1 0 Ie speak out against heroin and n, speed. I neon i we think they're 4* K 0 I

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i.- your people a'that they.... P LHITA HOFFIAN: We don'thave any fo11oIers..-.

HOWARD IILLER: Well, I think if the Yippie Iovement is as large as it is suppose to be, you certainly '1- must have followers, people who will hang on your advice and your words. If 500,000 will go someplace or read your books, they certainly a, you've got followers. __ 4351; uorruAu= We've gotsome neat tricks but '__T we have yet to pot the waters of Lake Michigan.

HOWARD IILLER: What about marijuana? _

ABBIE HOFFMAN: Oh, super, yeah we're on it right now, lovina every minute of it, I thanks for sending it to the hotel .r. laughing! And L5D.... ' ' i ANITA HOPFIAH:

O HOWARD IILLERt We ll go to the phones. Number .---4 two your on "Chicago,"

|-I-u-n UNKNOWN HALE CALLER Yes, I would like to direct to address this question to ABBIE. IL--5 Can you hear,man?

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UNKNOWN HALE CALLER Yeah, he's done a lot of really good things to n find corruption in the Justice Department.

'¢. E.-1 ABBIE HOPFIAN: Oh, he thinks we're CIA agents. i " 5 UNKNOWN HALE CALLER Hhct? ? z. 1 ABBIE HOFFMAN: . He thinks we're CIA agents, that the guy? i 1- U UNKNOWN IALE CALLER Yeah, right. .

ABBIE HOFFIAN: Oh gees, I know which one you mean 5,. V. yeah right. I got him. UNKNOWN HALE CALLER Look I'd like to know how much credence there is to that and I'd like to know it you know anything about it cause like it's been, it's shaking up a lot 92_. of us here nan. ABBIE HOFFMAN; Oh, your kidding me. You got to be kidding.

UNKNOWN HALE CALLER: No, I'm not because he's a, he's -¢ no pig believe ne.

ABHIE HOFFMAN: Well, I, I mean I can't underst--- Q; . ' ANITA HOFFIAN: I mean why would we organize the ""92I'~I- May Day deeonstretions, I sean, laughing! ABBIE and ANITA simultaneously! 9292'l.|.

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ABBIE HOPFIAN I've had my doubts about BERNIE, iu_. yeah. I'll watch him carefully. . -.- 7 -.;92_ HOWARD KILLER No seriously now for a moment. All right,serious1y would you suppose that there are people very close to the government, to the so-called establishment, a who are part of your movement peothough, rile? that are c ése to you ABBIB HOFFHAN: Well when you get into the a, - --1 liberal areas in other words, is-an a you know 1 lot of the supporters, -....-q like reporters you know or editors _.-.7. for fancy liberal magazines and 1 -3 newspapers, a there is a lot of Q let say cohabitation with the people in Washington but 1, a I, we haven't been invited to

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A 1 UNKNDIH HALE CALLER Uhn, yes, I have a two-part question 1 um, does ABBIE believe in JERRY lUBIN's um belie! in his new book .4.. that a radicals lust be prepared 3. to kill their parents and it so, .lT_-Q" . _i '._"__ I has he killed his parents yet. And also, referring to his recent I eel claim on REE TV in Boston that he earned $200,000 last year, doesn't M! he think a, he would be more in J . tune with his philosophy it he gave his lectures for free and we for example, your HOWARD IILLER Show for free instead of charging . for them in s eap11a1i=f_or1ented manner and also has he paid his taxes on this income? C ;§ HOWARD KILLER: Okay sir, a three-part question. W; Do you believe in the RUBIN philosophy to kill your parents?

ABBIE HOFFHAN: -'4'. . JERRY has killed his parents; I have to give him credit for that, but a, l think it wasn't his new book. In his new book, a wherever he explains that ticular philo-

sonhn,but about cultural I thinkqiaen ret-uution, we're yourtalking talking about killing the institutions and the value systems of your parents, - T in fact.... . hi-.9 Inna-a-on--_ -1 -- - Q. u.-. ' nunanu IILLIRS Arent you rationalizingidid he rrl r n mean that and if he did, why didP't' r -.4 he say that? _ . .

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ANITA HOFFIAN: I thought that was JERRY. 1....

ABBIE HOFFIAN: That was JERRY, yeah.

_,_.4 HOWARD MILLER: Oh, was it JERRY you said sir? ..___.. ABBIE HOFFMAN: I, I made four hundred thousand. JERRYs Just a new comer.-

HOWARD MILLER: Do you file an income tax on that? On your earnings?

ABBIE HOFFMAN: Yeah, in fact the government is, % s the IRS, which 5"" a much better %@ intelligenceQ,Eus appthan the FBI, which of th =%-ur agencies watching me, the '31is the worst. They Just have Eih ZIHBALEST and good PR department, but IRS has done quite a bit of research and is assessing I8 taxes for civil rights groups that I was in, you know, in 66, 67, in tact they're assessing me $12,000 for money raised and given to the Chicago Conspiracy a defense here in Chicago, uhn.... ' as I -

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_.' 4 HOWARD IILLER Iell your, you've not been indicted "-er» ' ,1, on evasion of taxes have you? z,e~ ABBIE HOFTIAN Ho, but a, when we were.in Cook - 1'0 " County Jail, the people who --' -_-__ . 1;... :__-_,_»_ belonged to the_the_nane_I cgn3t_, say, :,"i*¥aé':c£11=n group. You know which one, you know which one I mean? iEE-;1.17;. at - HOWARD IILLER: You know the IRS doesn't audit on honest people, there; no J, .5-i ., -_, V . reason.... ' --."-.1. . - _ .--_ . _ JBBIE HOFYIAN: They a, they 8 think that that's i. *1 ._ how they're going to get us, 8 1*" you know through the use of the 1-Tr. ' IRS, but a I would say in terms of not charging n =ey for speeches a for books, a, '?e trial here F.-<5"; in Chicago and t ggppeal costs 1-. "'3 something like S ',000 and I as 4- _ - .. __--_>~vqq I say, the_proti from this book _l-____. go e to the radio station !PAX, ._-; which broadcasts antiwar news .1 to servicemen and servicewouen --_-. and e, a profits tron other books went to conaittee to defend the . -a- panthers, went to other trials, went for hail honey and a, I -v Just think you know a, that n school administrations, rich schooi administrations a, teie- vision shows, you know, pub1!,_-£92e.==.i.-,?'* can afford to pay for n myself, ANITA and brothers and sisters .' _._:_-.-_ who get ripped off and put in Jail. J - 29 - < ~

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UHINOIN HALE CALLER Hello. .

ha HOIARD IILLERS Yes.

? UHIHOIN HALE CALLER I would like to know, ask ABBIE .§§% where did he get, where did he actually do his research for his book? Was it Just on the basis of street knowledge or...- _ -an '.-..§ ; -3 ANITA HOFPIAN2 A lot of people did research for -}m it. About at least six different :- people have a and specialist like a the people who do, did the a telephone stuff for engineers and ohm, all of us have been....

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HOIARD HIHLER: These are people who have con- tributed their knowledge to you so yours is a compilation 0! all their knowledge.

ANITA BOFFAN:. Yeah.

ABBIE HOFFMAN: Yeah, they get a cut, they get a cut to the book too, but 1, a for example there: a section on Q--'-a how to live tree in Chicago, a, a that a lot of people from Chicago "Seed" ,which in terms of survival 5.l information, has the best of any ;_._ F underground newspaper in the country, so they did help out a... :- 4 HOIARD KILLER: You keep elaborating that ex- pression survival, survival from 1-new - G5-4 JH»

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HOWARD KILLER Outside the lav?

ABBIE HOFFMAN Yeah, you have to devise certain methods of putting food in your mouth, living on land, etc., etc., so that involves u certain system; although, some of the methods are legal, some are i11ega1,you know I don't make the distinction. Neither me nor the Chicago Police _- _ Department get hung up in those -ll! " technicalities that I: saying . - 4." . _' . 5 HOWARD.

HOWARD MILLER We're going to be back now in l .5 Just a moment on "Chicago."

HOIABD KILLER ABBIE and ANITA will you tell me about UPAX, now this is a E--_0 radio syndicated format that you send to troop overseas, a I; WPAX call letters that you just aide Up. Row what siiiios broadcast ah, those syndicated :1 programs that your making? Ff ABBIE HOFFMAN Well, uhm, first of all its mainly news and music that the Armed Forces network won't broadcast for its own peculiar A reasons and Q, we have a studio in New York we send n ta¢-- Ie offered the tapes to the - . Armed Forces network, South Vietnam, loads of governments, ah, 5|- l North Vietnamese will Play it ':§ on radio Hanoi.

-i HOWARD MILLER: So in other words your doing 1 * Ohm: lalllnan Qs FFAIIQIA Bang. 3-"|921'92= bilt ¬1"W Q IUBJU IUJDB 4 did to our tmops during Iorld e war II, basically I think.

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HOWARD KILLER L. Have any of these tapes ever-been . ' 1 a looked at by the Justice Department .. l to see_whether-or~not you awu4k;... f ANITA HOFFIAN ff They probably will be.augh1ng! =!£ 2 maxi: normum: They watch us make love, not "; ..SL make tapes.augh1ng!

HOWARD KILLER Has this not started? Kaye these tapes started already, the flow _- . . ,1: to the North Vietnamese?

ABBIE HOFFMAN Well, they have, we sent about 40, 50 hours already, a and a, I as far as we know it hasn't gone on the air yet but we expect it any day for then to start on the air.

1...- HOIARD MILLER Are you using the U.S. Hails to get it over there and how does, how do you process it a then into North Vietnamese language? . | ABBIE HOFFIAH We use our own air force.

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ABBIE HOITIAN We can'tsay, unfortunately HOWARD the Central Committee will not allow ne to divulge that information. .1 nouan IIILLER ....a. I But you are aaking tapes weekly -. Q to send over there and their being broadcast on North Vietnamese radio. v J-. imam norruan We're notthe only ones. There: I 1. -4 a group here in Chicago, radio tree people, which makes some excellent tapes. There's groups all around the country that nake,JOHN LENNON 7 IaJ- and YOKIIONOU Ph! uade an original it.-.-'.. 1 halt hour tape that's being played. ' -a Uhn, but there is a news communication ,-a sin. for example, soldiers in the Mecong Delta Pb! wrote us and told us that it wasn't for three weeks ._;92 ah, that they even knew that there was an invasion of Laos taking place, and there they were their own troops in the Heoorg Delta Ph! and ah, we are offering it to radio station

.J in Frankfurt, Germany, and Tokyo, and we hope to within six months to reach 75, 80 percent of a, servicemen and servicewomen that are overseas. =- -_._._. HOWARD IILLER What sort of message do you try 1;; to get to our troops overseas, _....__'! ABBIE? What do you feel is necessary 1-_ . for them to know? liar-92'*-.19 a» _ LNITA HOFFIAN I think they Just have to know --1 really the truth of what's happening _.-.4 _.- there, 1ike.... ,

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AHBIE HOFFMAN: I, I just know that if they, between their second ano seventh week 1!

I- they drink a 11:¢r of water a day, chances are nine out of ten that their babies will be deformed. And you don't, you don't hear about that -.-. much here but like I, I should think that that would be....

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ABBIE HOFFIAN: It.dbes do things to the atmosphere I and to the land itself that are irrepairable and do a....

HOWARD IILLER J Let's go to the phones now and 9 number one your on "Chicago" with the HUFF!A!st

ABBIE HOFFIAH But a, I might Just say something about the broadcast HOWARD....

HOWARD IILLERZ Wait just one moment, please. :l_:_§ _ ABBIE norruuu -, We night, we might_§g; examolg , -4 read "NeW§ieeF's_account of the ay ay arrest in Toto, n ,., 5 you know and we pay a lot of rock music and soul music 1 ,1 that's not p1ayed.... -1 HOWARD MILLER Do you think that you cover the news that their getting? Do you feel that you color it so in your eyes its truth but may - not he truth in the eyes of society as we know society?

ABBIE:HOPFIAN well, let: say we present the -n-b news that the voice or the pentagon doesn't present but 1 "1 i I, I, would you, would you accuse the a people working in the USIA? ¢-. You do not im sure. I-. HOWARD MILLER I'm not even accusing you of io- anything, ABBIE. I'm Just saying a, a, is it news that only you Judge, is it only news that you Judge as vital news for then? _ " n-an

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"-' HOWARD IILLER: All right number one, now you're on. .c'I'...__,.', C-~. ._.-__ ABBIE HOFFMAN: A I don't believe there is an animal... .--,0-I vnsnowu FEMALE CALLER ABBIE?

aownnn urnnan: Yes, go ahead please.

UNKNOWN FEHALE CALLER ABBIE, I would like to know, do ii you or any of your friends have any plans for demonstrations at the 1972 Democratic or Republican National Conventions? Also who as. do you foresee as the Democratic nominee for the Presidency and fl; would it be of any consequence I""T who was nominated? __1 ANITA HOFFMAN: Well, I just have to say about --uI- the convention that I'm sure that like the government will have to indict them, the Democratic 1 and Republican Parties because 1-- -|-w-!~ ~ they know that as soon as the places and dates are announced --- at the conventions, people will heel Just be flocking there. They'll -I be, you know it will be huge. .;-' 5 It gets.... . - -' '¬4 2. 2 5"-Ia HOWARD IILLER: Now is this an assumption on your part, or do you know that this is an organized plan, that both conventions will be . 1...._, 92 -I nu ANITA HOFFHAH: 1: will probably be both, 1 mean -t but I think that a, the, I dodt- E? even think that there's going to be that much organization because I think people have it in their heads that they'll Just be there.

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i ANITA HOFFIAN: 67.

4 ABBIE HOF!HAN: So we got married there, so and a F and a the next year it was somewhat organized you know, and the next year ~i less and this year less but more 3 and more people came, it's Just now sort of an event, a, a an annual event of a our new nation you know in contrast to the East-nobody organizes the Easter parade on Fifth Ave., you know 3...,

HOWARD MILLER: They Just come. -1" --L ABBIE HOFFMAN: They Just rome, I think....

__-u HOWARD IILLER: I think the other part of this young lady's question was who you feel u_-"5 is going to be the a candidates for Presidency of the United States. r-*-'_' would you care to say?

1-n--0 ABBIE HOFFMAN: I, I would a think a, MUSKIE from Maine will be it. I mean e*" he's being groomed and it is a, if: you know it is a grooming process .1 and it has to do, the old god .._.- is very nmnipotent in the Democratic Party and you can, you know you can tell a in terms of the debts, in terms of the political dinners, the decisions long before I can, Oh, fund raising t.-. are mit ~ ' - 31 t 3--¢¢

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5 nownnn urttzn No, no I mean we don't a, we don't conceive that change can some 1 about that way you know. In some other we, a the elections in h1"_1_';, Berkeley we....

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No, in fact, in fact the Marxists don't. I mean if your talking HOWARD MILLER about the Communist Party, they believe only in peaceful change working within this system. huh! ' _ A8811-'3 aorrmm a bit out of touch HOWARD, I . Qa But certainly the nerxist philosophy |. is that you must have violence. >1 Their model is Chile. No, no, 5'1 nownan nrttzn their model is Chile, a their 5. 2 model is the lta1-, Italian Communist...- "2 w You'I1 have to admit that they ".: - r . dont want peaceful revolution. .§ ANITA HOFFMAN They, they, they need the over- throw by violence.

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ABBIE HOPPMAN Chile, Chile was the pick of the peaceul, a that's a communist country, now wouldn't you soy.

HOWARD IILLER which one, Chile? E_. ABBIE'BOPFHAH Chile, yeah and DAVID, MARKS, I '-,, :3! . well, it wasn't an armed struggle. 1'.-"I, In fact, and the communists, if your talking about the Russian ' 5 Communists; that's the, that's .,,_ _i the model that they put forth to the third world of that kind V; of a change. _.,- _ f}WARD IILLER Oh, what your saying is that your form of communism will achieve it eithout the violent revolution, rather than through . _ ' the Russian system. _ ABBIE HOFFMAN I'm, I'm a we're involved in I '_-I cultural revolution so we dont, ,3 we dun't, it's not tied to a 3: P. political ideology, it's tied to viewing America as a decadent empire and viewing what we're -= involved in as, as the birth of a new nation, new symbols, new flag, a, you know, new form Iii of a human relationship with --1 each other, you know non-exploitive

ANITA HOFFMAN: We also consider ourselves anarchists I know, you know, how, you know as I much as a.... _.;4- HOWARD MILLER: Hell I would certainly think that an anarchistic is violent. We'llbe back in Just a moment on "Chicago."

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ouxhoww vegans CAh1ER Hell0_ARRIE. hello A¥ITA,_ A .. ABBIE I'mreading your book now "Steal This Book," and I think . . -P it'sa real far out book, and at the end of it you have a Eweé picture of JANIS JOPLIN, and I was wondering if you had did _i JANIS JOPLIN and why you had her picture at the end of your hook.

5-I1-I"! nears norrnnn: A, I just wrote a an epilog to _».. . "Woodstock Nation" which is a total out down of the, of rock music and the rock a empire and a, you know JANIS is sort of a heroine but it is a, we knew her quite well, in fact she is the _-1-A only person that Ive ever seen o _-nnnn shoot anything heroin and l 'T described her kind of paetty vividly and disgustingly n, it a, Just thinking about it now makes .,__! he shiver. Um, a if you saw JAHIS H? sing, a like-I saw her here in the Aragon Ballroom which is a gooqN_,_ "r setting to sec her, you would see, say that aha was going to die soon

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As far as we've seen her, we liked her the beBt.of all the singers. .

Because of her private life you were turned off prior to her death? .

A, i'm, ho we dug her because 3.1;: ' she was very stout. We liked a diggod style whether it's her or even AGNEW you know, people like that.... HOWARD MILLER But you, but you weren't in agreement with her, a in her personal life when she used __ ' ABBIE nor:-wan: a the hard drugs. _ _ nownno ummzn: No, she was immoral. Okay, let I s go back to phones now and number two your on"Ch1cago." L

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. ~.._ How should power be brought back to the people in your philosophy? ___ - ANITA HOFFMAN: well, I'm thinking of the Vietnamese: we met a with the a North Vietnamese ,- '--Iv in the National Liberation Front in Paris and they described to on their system of power to the people E H and I, we're such a highly techno- nc~ logical society, that I don't know if it's comparable but probably a good way to start is with a, their organized around always small groups of people and everything is voted on and a by small units so then build up in a peron--- sort of a P9f9°"l1 structure. Ahm....

HOWARD MILLER: But if power should go to the people, why is it that you dont speak out Quin to the North Vietnamese and tell , t 1 them to lay down their arms, that their people too, that they should L have the power over the power structure in the North Vietnamese Government. why should they be drafted and sent u.__ off to war? Why should power to the people only revert to the person who ha, goes to war in an American uniform?

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Q -.'92-- * HOWARD_M1LLER But aren't the South Vietnamese fighting for their own land? .4 ABBIE HOFFMAN A, it's :1 fa1S.<¬&!"t1Ol'l,,_.1!'l this. ._;~ - 1ts false, but it's a partition created by us. It's not a ah, it's not n petitioni...

.- HOWARD MILLER We weren't even there when it was _ -I partiti°qi,ABEiE. Row you know 4.. sr, _ that's not true. He weren't any :t I where near Indochina, when the parallel was set out. i

'ie':-I-4ABBIE HOFFMAN We were quite prominent through *1 .' Mr. DALLAS at the Geneva Convention but you know, it's kind of old ha; --an-Q _$- - I mean it's a, you know, it, it, 1:-' 7. often the a, the a, you know ahm, . . you know it's a, I think most people have seen through the put on 2:1 of KARL Ph! and a what the North _é Vietnamese and the Viet Cong are doing in Vietnam, seen that as __ aggression. I think they've seen through that kind or language. I den: even think the Secretary ef Defense uses that language any more E. I mean I've heard him refer the war pr-it in different terms but a, it's Just :_. - I 4" people like you that use_that word. EH ... . t 92 LR? ."- - 43 » i K

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."-I1 HOWARD MILLER Only because a great nation like ours, capitalistic in its complexity, is able to build helicopters and _: the poor nations that have not had our system of government, not had _J our system of competition are without, of course, the abiiities to do things that are progressive.

ANITA HOFFMAN: well, our nation's so great that I think that our soidiers over there don'tknow why their there and vonld --_~ 1 like to be home. A, there not really -_.~ fervent about what they're fighting for the way the Vietnamese are because they know that it means a real change in their lives. , Qt

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HOWARD KILLER: We're going to be hack in just a moment on "Chicago."

HOWARD HILLER: We're a little bit late, thank: U-"»@w ABBIE, thanks ANITA for being here and we'll see you tomorrow night on Chicago. Goodnight.

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I Enclosed for the Bureau are 6 copies of an LHM I setting forth an article regarding the subject which &ppEaT3d- 6 in the 5/18/71 issue of The East Village Other." Three copiesrs ! of the LHM are enclosed for WFO. ' 2" I.. ._. I 1? 5 ' /- I JTQ J94/"' 8 V Z ,- I / Saga! .:-.L_~1r;L / I an- qu- Inn- I wwl. $11 "'' _ D .¢-. 4,4-7a» 6 _.92 __., Rec 17/ ZQ 4:?/"' It/V 1 1! 92" 69 x *0I 5 MAY 2r: lm I . @Bureau Enos.6!I} 2- ?$1?4%_ ____ W -Washington $1-UsA! X Field 17 282! Enos.3! RM! 1I 1-Iew 1-NewYork 176-6! 100-16114145! aommu! HOFFMAN;+2 42! Fm?_ 1 New York I _ I I _ _ ;,;»1 .2}, P70

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Abbott H. Hoffman

"The East Village Other," a New York City weekly newspaper, in its May 18, 1971 issue, on page 6, Column 5, contained an article entitled, "free Abbie Hoffman" which stated as follows; 7'":

92 "Abbie Hoffman needs photos and eyewitness accounts i of police beating him, 10:00 am, Monday, May 3, at Wisconsin Avenue and R Street. He also needs photos of him at the prison compound. "Besides crossing stete lines to incite e riot, he's now being charged with assault and is currextiy out on $20,000 bail. A "Send evidence to: Abbie Hoffman, Box 213, Cooper L.1- @- station, NY, NY 10003."

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u I - Ag. _ABI§1Q1l'I' HOWAQP t __:_, "_-z On May 14, 1971, Hoffman appeared as a guest "v- on the Chicago television program "UndergroundNews", telecast over Channel 44,WSNS~TV, Chicago.__§ppearing with Hoffman was a female identilaed as "annnhetamin", P- author of a book_entit1edTTashing".She is referred if 13? ' to in the program however, as Anita; _ - 1 IL:- .-,91-» V 11> Va 8 I recor ng 0 t progr ' repared.

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commercial! 1-3-.'~ music! - Ah, tonight we're going to be doing the inaudible! ANITA: iirst part 01 two parts with -.3 ah,Ann HwtaWih Hi3d Abbie COLLINS Hoffman. And Ann Phetamin ph! is sort of sitting for the notorious Yippie troublemaker, huh? tsé; "'~ -3- Yeah. laughter! Z inaudible! let me 1eave_these _ .; g-.. books over here cause, ahm, HOFTUAH we'll be talking mostly about ____ l the books tomorrow. Cause -;_'- --*1. they're really inaudible! the - ._--r. ._ 1 both of'em. Ahm, Steal This Book ;--' HOFFMAN which is inaudible! It's your 1! third book isn't it Abbie. 17. "~¢ COLLINS 0I .I'92 The third or fourth, yeah. Ll -,_ ANITA: n 9-. I

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I» cg Ahm; I'd like to ask you some 1'1"i oi the questions which I think you haven't been asked too much. 92__.E_.-3 HOFFMAN What are we going to inaudible! at the trial. ine- laughter! ANITA: No. Un-un that was inaudible!. get; HOFFMAN inaudible!. » i ANITA: China.

El COLLINS inaudible! what you were like as a kid. =4 * HOFFMAN inaudible! COLLINS When you inaudible! four years Old.

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ANITA: Ran away from home.

HOFFMAN And, ah, I, ah, I would Just wait around B11 year for Halloween. : .1 inaudible! Yeah. I used to 5%;.-W look forward to that. In fact es we had, ah, in our neighborhood we had expanded it for the first 1, two days. Ie celebrated the night before Halloween and Halloween. _"o And then the night after Halloween too, then the whole month of October = i you cut October. Finally I became ii n revolutionary and we could do it everyday of the year. ea COLLINS What do you mean everyday is Halloween?

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But, I think, ah, ah, wh---, whe I was in, ah, high school, ah, ah, I had a, ah, fight, ah, ahm, _.-.--__f. with a future inaudible word! J . he insulted a, a black girl in t class which y----you've said it.

ANITA: Yeah. ,______,_I. '_I HOFFMAN lts in, ah, Anita's book. And, :_,. 5 ah, we had a little fight and I thrown out of high school and 1 -»7 6 started to, ah, hang around pool r halls and learned how to shoot p and nvn¥?§H¬nC unt 15, my pare £?f' decided that I was, ah, you know the rec pool hall was not exacth the right place for a nice Jewis V - I boy, you know. Mr. 5 COLLINS inaudible sentence! -lulu:-I

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COLLINS You still have any pens ph! , lcit? -_..- HOFFUAN Laughter! v":.- COLLINS: We're ruvning out here.

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' | COLLINS: I heard something. I don't know 1 whether this is true or not, but tr you were a clinical psychologist ru- or something....

HOFFHAN We both are, were. Ah, we both have Masters Degrees in psychology and, ah, were, ah, ah, i--- in J fact it is a good place to begin :5 to see, ah. you know, ah, sort of institutional, ah, oppressment - _.} Y» - ' of the individual human beings, and _»-1 then, ah, you know, y---, and also to discover that, ah, you know, C you can't just work within the f 1 system in terms of using the 5 if procedures that, ah, that, ah, they, ah, insist that you do because you're doomed to fall into a bottomless pit of triple forms you know, and, ah, staff meetings, that are endlessly reduce patients ,*i to Objects, and, ah, you're *1 flooded with patients, an, and . ; you become very instutionalized. Ah, I worked in the mental hospital for two years and then I decided to join the patients. S0, ah.... 4-. __ Fk. COLLINS Aren't you also a criminologist? .- I heard somewhere that you.... _ -:1: ""¢-n HOFFMAN _ ,- 4 No, I'm sorry.... L: COLLINS ....that you, you did some study on that. Thats just a rumor.... . - _;_-r-" $31.3 HOFFHAN inaudible! I I991 this bOOk _ it you'd read a number oi erisinriogy i books because there are only two Er 1. 92 or three good ones, and they're .~1 i the ones that are used for the ghee standard law in the country, and _¢-Q? F_. .- they, they do develop the basic system of communication that good

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COLLINS What kind of, basically, what kind of family did you come from? -Q-H were you premature middle-class 6?: background? - a HOFFMAN Ah, yeah, upwardly molded ph!, is-.4 yeah, yeah, ah, yeah. When I came, ah, Chicago, ah, '68 my mother said, ah, what are you going there for? I said ._n. . well, ah, to wreck the Democratic Party. and she said well dress warm, it's a windy city. v;J laughter!.

Qua HUFFMAN They got a letter during the trial you know. I've just written Julie ph!, ah, that maybe the other seven, you know, -I|||_-nus| all that stuff the papers _-._,_i were Saying, but not my son Abbie. You know. I showed it to Rennie .-4A rt his mother sent him the same letter -v COLLINS. Really? .I1s; HOFFMAN Yeah. ,_< . ¢,.§ COLLINS Did you show it to inaudible! in court? _v-1"- .-':'== --" HOFTHAN We had a little club, ah, mothers of the Conspiracy inaudible!.

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E 'n COLLINS Ah, Abbie are you pretty close 1r» , to your parents still today, .,, V or have your political views .':-1:3 inaudib1e!.... HOFFMAN inaudible! they came to pay UB3 annual pilgrimage to the lower east side to visit us and, ah, they brought a lot of the relatives who hadn't, you know ,_-1 ,,,,. sort of disowned me. like I have L. ah. two uncle Sans and, ah, .,..r'. one is the head oi the American ."-- Legion Post in a small town and I like hc just, you Lhuh, he sees me right trom Peking, you know, and, but they finally came. And they were looking around 3¥>% our houses. The shotguns didn't upset them too much. The stnch oi dope you know, h..-.

ANITA: interjects! You should have inaud part of the stuff. A. .=5 f? HOFFMAN = .... inaudib1e! the fact that, ah, , . 5,--g the tact that I ve been involved I red white and blue stars, you know, and all these, ah, we have, ah, ah, IWUD gallery of photos of me, you kno _,._.n 4 in like eighteen different poses. They've all been, you know, hnndcuff _-4 fact I was thinking of getting a custom made pair inaudible! instead oi hurtin'. And, ah, ah, there was a photo of, ah, I'm sort 5%. of half naked huggin' on the wall and they all attempts to make noise eqa like giggle! come see this inaudib 1 wé,:wro hippies, you KHOW they laughter! that's what they do. So, ah, we took them to Rattner's p on the lower east side, you know, éjf*, L" and,» ah, so they like to,come in V .

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OOULINS Ie were Just talking to, while the commercial was on, Ibout, ah, -an-'-1 you made a commercial first, you know, Steal This Book wi--r--hi f- inaudible!. -:;-1-e _~ AN1T%: My expression was.....

E='_""OFFIAN We did a, ah,,.,, Q. i-I-J ' ANITA: ... inaudib1e! buy it in New York.

-_-i--nl HOFFMAN We did a radio commercial. We w--- la 1| ah, all our friends and, ah, and, ah, no station would play. AhlI'IOI 1.? "' .32- r -- . in _- .v -you COLLINS What did you say in it that they won't p1ay.... -n ~. HOFFMAN 92 It, it's nothing, h.w¢¢ > ANITA: Nothing, it's Just,Ias the title of the book, Steal This Book. I mean the New fork Times wouldn't take ;'.'¢;;"+:, ads for Steal This Book. The ad .5->'=P,1 -_:¢F: . is nothing but Just a picture 2.71. 2.~ ~ of the cover of the book. - . L -1

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_ 1 inaudib1e!isn't it fact that this a""* book will end iree speech? K 1 - . ,1-if 1 ANITA: ughteri - 4 u COLLINS We've published it ourselves cause nobody would publish it.

Well you know, I'd,y--you mean _ you might be able to see some of the, some of the, ah, establishment ah, compaeies not wanting to HOFFMAN s~--, to right, to publish this 1- book. COLLINS 92 I Hum. 2'.- . _,_ _. .. HOFFMAN Because oi the nature of the book. COLLINS Yeah.

ANITA: But this book here, now Trashing, ahm, I mean it's, it'sa novel.

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ANITA: ....1t's only selling magazines, al for yeah. But, ah, the distributer /Q l Q wou1dn;t_gj5tribute,irlw**h_thq+. cover, so they had to like, they JEHH designed that, another cover, and - -1 it's, just didn't seem to be any -It-v-|,i choice but to give in if I wanted it distributed. It's, ah, also 1 had trouble getting the book printed in, it was printed in California an d t 'here s a H gy scene '-_;°- J with , HarthcR'1§£nd W , ah | ShirleY _-._-1: _.' ,_I.' -/1%nple. ._,,- V COLLINS: Z You're right. Well that's a funny feeling that.....

';.._> . .___u_nh- _-_' ANITA: So the p---, you know, one printers _...-__-_ in California like, ah, they're - . , really important there. Shirley T:-_"_.>I Temple and Martha Raye. _-.-....-_,-.-. --__.-_-92 COLLINS: or-* Ah, y---you get some really runny people in that too. I----, - I lovglhat set, it's great. Narth itchell, right. Well w---.. M #f.- . . .-.-. ANITA: we're writing tdée things but u you get sort of horney when M- -E1 you're writing them. é£$??r. ,, 1-_. fr: L. laughter!

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HOFFMAN: Also....

5 ANITA: It's different when you write about it, yeah, its so personal that, ahm,....

COLLINS I was, was very entertained.

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COLLINS Right.

HOFFMAN Then you, ah,....

4 COLLINS Covered both. I HOFFMAN Then you've said everything. And said nothing simultaneously. inaudib1e!.... _ ,_ CGLLIES interjects sentence - inaudible!. .4 ya HOFFMAN inaudible!.

ANITA; 'r|'|Qf' QIIII-U II Fl-IFflan 92IlJl|J 11: fill no §' UT 4-hat Ell? aI - 1 untrue sort of are the, ah, the illegal parts cause there's a lot oi stuff that you could get ,.§ in trouble for admitting.... iff COLLINS Yeah. ANITA: ...that in there ph!. COLLINS But.1here are some parts in that book which, ah, which really happeDE! Illegal stuif which I know it has. ANITA: Oh, sure.

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ANITA: .1, K I Just, we?-, you knot, we 1 don't want to say it was true - I cause I don't want to get any- E : one in trouble. .1 U I COLLINS Of course, but, you know, th--- 1 there was somebody, ah, I don't know who, but, ah, sent, ah, joints through the mail to different judges and people J of New York and around the country

ANITA: Yeah, we, ah, we heard about we even, ah.....

HOFFHAN That's great, Halloween an.... laughter! -

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3 HOIFIAN So does .7.- vc COLLINS I don'tit. nu 1 away in E-c,_. want to give too much F-";-_ I really, the book cause it's *92.. you know, I don't want &m5"4- to tell too many mumbles! the . scenes in it. It was really funn -' FII Y We were talking about, lhn, your ANITA: college careers.

COLLINS Ah, yeah. Ahm.... 1 . Ahm, did you spend your college career buried in the library? As to avoid the people on campus?

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ANITA: Well, Just, I don't know why I, a I dont know why'i stayed there .- for four years, but I didn't real know any better and I really, I sort of had the same ideals 7 lei as my parents, I mean I inaudibh -rt word! sort of, ah, took a long it time for me to see what that kind of, the evils of that kind of 1. environment which is, the thing is that, it was worst than any 4 university because it was a small J woen's college and it was based on a whole, ah, really nineteenth M century concept of womenhood. I mean the whole educational ByStBHWISfWHS'gEU!¬U'LOWHTG ah. training elementary school I», '_. -L"-ii teachers, and so, and ah, ruling class families evidently send | .-. their daughters there. And, 1---it's strange experience for ,".s me because I came from just a regular, ah. you know, New York City suburb, and suddenly when I 4. .v went to Gaucher I saw, I, it was an experience, I mean I could see that sort oi what the ruling ->.1f class was like in this country. v ,- I've ner sort of seen it first i hand, the fact that this, you know 1 I the great conformity and it's a 3 whole southern debutant kind of thing.

COLLINS In the, ah, book Trashing, ah, you -5.. ah, talk about, ah, after you gradua from school, I don't know whether this is fact or fiction, that you hadn't, y---you Just felt lost and you were reading the New York _-., Times constantly. pi ANITA: Yeah.

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_ ,..-. -:._'$ Ho, right. HOFFMAN No they aren't that, ah, -e- international news.

T ANITA: No, but, you asked me, ah.... HOFFMAN For example today we just, f_ ;-_1; we read a very good article.... -~ .'-.-=1 ¬ '.'-"F'.=+E-L-'-'3?-,ANITA: interjects! about China.

-_if-;"';'.' HOFFMAN: -1. ...Ihich was about Communist China nd what'sgoing on there. too know, ah, really exciting news. Kstuttersl Internationally they are better, ah, reporting than, ah, than our domestic news. We had, ah, ah, they do though control the news. I mean, ah, III 1,

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1 E K " rm__i 1. + ? But I think, well being, becomin sort of radicalized or involved 4.- ah, is really just a process of 1 communication. I think no matte; .; where the communication comes frc I mean the information, ah, like with Vietnam stuff. Ah, it's_pst i---, as long as it's being fed into you you've got to respond. M I i You know, that's the whole thing . about television, yeah.... iinterjects} so - rence between...... __ ANITA:

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ANITA: ....even the Times, reading _ I- HOFFMAN it everyday, you know.

You think it's basical ph! between radical and liberal is the fact that this intim---, 17;-_H."', -¢- <'- »- , ';_- J . -.. information which they get. W--wouldn't you say?

I don't.... ANITA: Ah, I, the form on which they HOFFMAN: receive it....

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Cause I think if you spend your ANITA: life receiving, receiving form in, ah, through, ah, media, ahm, mode such as the New York Times, ah, what you're going to do is eventually end up in an extreme state of despair because, HOFFMAN which is that exerything repeats itse1I,rnthing ever changes... TQREP COLLINS Yeah. _.,_w-

HOFFMAN . 1'; You have a r---, even after the revolution it's the same as beiore, ah. and you have to choose...

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r HOFFMAN ....1iIe in the middle. There are these two extremes and, you know, ah, the whole world is a sh---, shaped like a bell shaped curve and the New York Times is at the tip oi of the center, Ii you know, reporting with this cold objectivity that. that springs straight irom the-2eus' brow. You Prow. so, nh....

ANITHI and the. well the effect ow -.7-_..~ me, ah, from reading the Times was for me the big rap, for me like the big political act -.,r*- at that time was working for the ah, Civil Liberties Unin. -ft._ A--Q. CDLLINS

ANITA: Working for the, nh, CLU inaudible!. r COLLINS Right.

and ANITA: You know, I guess I didn't really become radical and totally disgusted, that, an, disgusted with the system, until I, ah, I found out, you know, this male chauvinism and EVEIything, ah. job discrimination and that in 3 liberal organization which I --r -_--1 . 4 -A1; I started out by admiring....

COLLINS Right.

ANITA: ...and thiJk§H and it didn't, and i saw also that the case has dragged on

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COLLINS I'dlike to talk about that too in a moment. We have to -1 "L.lv~'v do another break, ah, that will be our Inst break, an. be right back.

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COLLINS Ah, where were we, vhnt were we talking about. I forgot?

ANITA: inaudib1e!.... ". HOFFMAN inaudible! yeah the Times.

ANITA: But we were. Qh, we ren11y like these ads and yxeryihiug, it's such a cu}-~-, so, you know, ---1| culture on, ah, television. I know, I was just wondering whetha ah, it's good or bad cause in, ah, _.._ one way it, it sort of gives you 2 preview of the way things could be when our style is the style without other thinzs changing. You do with -_._- COLLINS inaudible!... 4-

ANITA: ...power. Yeah. Without, ah, ,_,- laughter! --J|. _ HOFFMAN You can think about it. - 1 J COLLINS You. n!m1....

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COLLINS: Well, how many shows do you go on, where, you have, you're on alone and there's nobody there harassing or you with nnngfinn=_ _- -_-"-. Tho -_ camp H H- nun:q,_~ y---, why don't you do this and _ bu-I--_ . ,1,-.,...... !¢__ - ...... V-.. ,0- At.-J-'92__ >..-A... I mean ' think about it, J mean, do a 3. lot oi shows do that?

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HOFFMI: N : 4.; h , W911 there's this, ah, set, ah, ah, there's a set sort F- of approach that they take. Ah, last night was typical. @3 L---, after, ah, ah, they usually are a hit liberal. And I but anyway after you get through they'll do a disciaimer. Well, we had him, but last week we had George Wallace and, you know, they, they use you as a, ah, as Z an g_!§Q_---_.

ANITA: Yeah. Yeah. r3f' '1 . --Q. r3" HOFFMAN: .....as a sort of, ah, ah, as 1 an example of how much free speech there is 6-|;.'_- - ,.-__,__ r t-1|: " COLLINS: Um-hum. i - "-. 'r .' 2'-ff HOFFMNI Tmtwmin this country. Book was one reason why Steal This to-writen challenge cause I tried 2 hook that nobody would publish.hhich indeed is very diffi¢ Lt

ii you've had, ah, two or three books thnt. ah. you know, best sellers that have sold hundreds of thousands of copies and that they'll, they'll publish anythim F": that you write. 30, it's hard - 1 to really write a book that they wouldn't publish. uhm, an, and i§:< among other things, getting back to the television point, both the medias and my books are, ah, are, ah. Yippio h0OkS instead of New Leit books. In other word they're devoid of intellectual content. nh... lsughter!...they' ah, they're, ah, Anita's book 1 was originally called Trash and ii / then naudihle! . . . . $4. ANITL2 Yeah. I had to change it house 01 th hm LLL mJvic.,,,

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'5 HOFTHAN Oh, yeah, we liked it.

ANITA: Oh, oh. we liked it too. But 1--i I mean also we liked very, ah, ahm, things that are easy to under- stand which involve us, ahm, we ¢ ,_.:,__ don'tlike theoretical.....

COLLINS Well that was a real book. Hoffman is speaking too, inaudible F: Beth 05 em are real books... F},., I I- ' Yeah. *_ HOFFMAN ; 1 -__ 13%- _."92r,{_ >:: COLLINS 2 ....I mean some oi inaudib1e!....

_ 1Q.- HOFFMAN They are k--. they are Mb easily nduptahle to comic strips. In fact.... 3 I...- ANITA: Yeah, right. F HOFFMAN ...I am going to do something , . called Steal This Movie. COLLINS Can, can you draw?

HOFFMAN I And, ah, no I ran't, ah, neither _&-' _ One Of Us can draw too good, but * '1 ah, ah, we, we, ah, stutters! mo visually motivated. You know, we ea.- see five to ten movies a week : . _ probably and, ah. you know, read five books a year. That's .~i.'- wht, you know, that's it. nd, ah, ah. for the first time I mean, ah, ah, we've anreed with the Academy Awdrds. Ah.... - ,-,_. ,

'- §IT]: Y-'51 in:lL1:iib}<~! 1h»;-rim.-|rd:a_ . . I"'92"_ HUFFMEN _____ewards rbout what the best ;;__ movies were of the year. I mean, iI"_"_--Q- we do have this, ah, this kind :<~. of attachment with pop--, mass popular culture because that's the medium in which we want to _»-0--1-L--¢ swim. We're not writing fir graduate students....

ANIT§I Uhhuh.

éifg HDFF MA N ....you know, we're not writing for left wing newspapers, you know, we're not writing for people :9? that are already converted. We're writing Ior, ah, seven, eight year F_E. old, nine year old peoples laughterj Hu.~'$~ ah, ah....you know. 2;. -'»-r" 2. ANITA: NJ And I don't, I don'tsee how you can I-92-' read Steal This Book, ahm, without it yen remember. I mean it's educutio

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Te11's you just to see the different ways like to steal. F And once you Just look through the book, I don't see how the next time you're in a supermarket or something, it's bound to effec you're bound to try, you know.

COLLINS D-~do you know what Steal This BO0k reminded me of when I first read, eh, you know, you're going to think this is s---, ah, stupid, but, ah, it reminded me oi the Boy Scout manual.

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COLLINS Because, you know, you would always look up whatever you didn't _-92_._ know and it tells you right there.

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COLL I F? 5 It tells you how to grow your own. -..._... HOFFMP Y4 Yeah, Be prepared.

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COLLINS ....Do you really get to keq>buIfa1|

ANITA: we just read about a man who did cause you need, ah, actually you need a certain amount of acreage b guarantee that the buffalo has enough to eat. '2" 1 COLLINS Uhhuh. _ =.-~ ANITEI So, thats that's the only draw back, you have to inaudib1e!.... .1.-,Hr" HOFFMAN So there's a certain amount of grass, it would be alright. laughter!

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ANITA! Cause we live in the city we can't really grow our own ,. without being caught. *2 I COLLINS: speaking to someone in background! 5! F I wani to see ii we can get this dc HOFFMAN! Th---, lower, lower east side....

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IFJFFLU-N ....and ah, some oi the people from 1; he Chicago Seed helped with the rgge 3_5e¬_!1_.

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/""3, ?g;5# ' >.the abate program: ry 0 ffman's appearance on 7 x , /_ I, .1 ,_; ; With/gffman was Anita Hoffman, who stated near **T the end of the program that althoug she and Abbie Hoffman are expecting a child soon, they a e not formally married. =- Others on the program were George ee y, formerly associated -__-_ , with the administ ation of Lynd B. Johnson, as Press Sec- retary; Germaine Greer, author; 01 Olinsky, community __ organizer and a thor; and Perry W0 f, associated with the ii iii c Pentagon". production of the CBS television program "The Selling of , the | _.-1 _y _;__ Hoffman was queried by the moderator regarding *' his recent experiences in the demonstrations in Washington, ~' D. C. he mas critical of the series of intimidating actions used to oppose the demonstrations; the 12,000 illegal arrests; the interference with the rock concert over the weekend there Just prior to the demonstrations. He stated --_ _ he would not really be tried for what occurred, since he _- ~

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had little to do with the organization of these demonstra- tions. He was charged with assault, however, this is the usual acoy charge, He advised standard he was procedure,confident when he one would is be clubbedacquittedby . 2 of t at charge. He agreed that the defendants in the recent so-called Conspiracy 7 trial were doing well, describing the trial as highly political in nature, and the law as one which -> J *4 was inhibitive of free speech.

In subsequent exchanges of conversation Hoffman denied being a "leader" of any of the actions in Washington. He verbally attacked Reedy's former Job with the Johnson ad- ministration as one which had been to lie and cover up for JOhI'l5OU'.5 DQ110168, The kids in W95!-31;-ggf-33; I1;-__-j 17333 mgre 'open about their power concepts, as opposed to backroom __-I politics. He had noted when "running through the streets" that Washington had not been like Chicago, that even the "hard hats" in Washington had been giving the peace sign. He felt it was not proper, referring the world position of the United States, for a country with one-sixteenth of the world's population to control one-half of the world's resources as we do. He noted that we own half of Canada, and attacked as illusions the views of Olinsky that effective changes can be wrought by working within the system. He accused Olinsky of being a tame system radical, a safety ,.-J/' 1-1 _ valve maintained by the system to show a semblance of per- missivenoss. He noted he hated to see Olinsky attack them himself and Anita! and side with LBJs press secretary. when directly questioned by Reedy if he was a revolutionary he replied he was a Young Republican. He was questioned _1-- as to his finances, and noted he had given $25,000, earned from book royalties for a Bla k Panther Party BPP! members bond, and the individual had promptly "split". He made brief reference to his support for radio station WPAX, described , 4 as a source of radical and ltural news, however, the subject -r__- matter then changed. . 92-

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E n -| - .- 111- - 1 .. .. _._A according to the oiricini newspaper 0! the BPP, the UP? was started during Deccmher, 1966, in Oakland, Calitorrin. to organize black people so they can take control of the life, politics, and the destiny of the black community. It was crganivud by BQBBY G. SLALL, BPP Chairman, and HUEY P. L7. NLWTUK, Minister oI Defense, HPP, The official newspaper, called "The Black Panther," i~ regularl: states that the BPP advocates the use of guns and guerrilla tactics in its revolutionary program to end oppressio of the black people. Residents of the black community are urged to arm themselves against the police who are consistently 1- referred to as "pigs" who should he killed.

The newspaper, in its issue of September 7, 1968, had an a ticle by the then Minister of Lducation, GLORGL MURRAY This art cle ended with the lollowingz ,___,_.i- "Black men. Black people, colored persons of America, revolt everywhere! Arm yourselves. The only culture worth keeping is revolutionary culture. Change. Freedom everywhere. Dynamitef Black power. ike the gun. Kill the pigs everywhere." ,. . ~r__ The BPP newspaper, issue of October 5, 1968, had an . article introduced with the telloeing statement: we will rwecf not dissent from American government. We will overthrow it." -* DAVID HILLIARD, Chief of Stuff, BPP, in a speech ___ at the San FfaHCi5CO Polo Field on November 15, 1969, Said "We will kill RICHARD NIXON."

D,-3; DAVID HILLIARD, in the "New York Times," issue of December 13, 1969, was quoted as follows: "We advocate the very -1:--A.-.0 .-.....e-0!.-.-.... C 0|... _ # . . h _ _ _ . ._4 L.-...... -_ _4| .n ______._| __-_1-.__-. ~7 i u1.ic'92.'l- Uv:-J Luzuw ui rue 15u92r92.::'nmI:'nt uy Wily DJ. JOI'C¬:.' unu V1O18l"lI'_L.

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ON INSTANT DATE, JOSEPH TAFE, DEPARTMENTAL ATTOURNEY, UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ADVISED THAT SUBJECT 4__..,.,,. .._92_ _|.:--_ APPEARED BEFORE JUDGE J. LEWIS SMITH, UNITED STATES DISTRICT CDURTHJSDC! Foe nxsrmcr 01-" COLUMBIA AT mnz THIRTY A.M- F0}? K ABRAIGNMENT. SUBJECT WAS ACCOMPANIED BY HIS ATTOURNEY GERALD '.= R LEFCOURT. HOFFMAN ENTERED PLEA OF NOT GUILTY. SUBJECT WAS

IIJNTINLIED ON TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS BAIL WHICH HAS BEEN l Assistant Attorney General June l, 1971 ¢ Idea-nal Qocurity Division Director, rm 1 _3;: 6,1? l - Mr. C. D. Brennan §§m'??.;%§8§.??§&¥é ALL mroammow coumuzo :?;EB°¢;T,:,g§+,§Dm2;3;g*§;H£Ra:N IS UNCLASSIFIED DAT£..z.;¢&BY-zoo 1 T Thta will conrm tho oral request made on Hay 26, 1871.

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llr. mm»; roqueated am tho Instructions set out u the Attorney General: memornndmn tod July I4, 1969, cngoned -on "Electronic Eu-nlllancos", be tmmodtately lmplemontod regarding the captioned lndivldtnla, tn view at Federal criminal charges recently _ ii. £1.19! l...,_....... l~=*t.h.e.=-n cs:-.....-~.:.".o:92. to '.-.'tt.*= ow-.= to %'::.al.'-gton, D. C., early last month.

,1? This is to advise that the above-menttoned instructions were promptly furnished to all told olcos of the I-Bl following receipt of the Attorney General: memorandum In I969, and thou instruction Inn boon tollmrod. Appropriate field otcu have been timindod of the nocooay of Implementing thou lnstruottonn regarding iii I:"iiIiii6 ii::ividuau."*-- _-_ » .-..- . |< z I 1 - Autatam Attorney General - | Crlmtml mum» / 7¢. 5 -/_. '1.1 ' -*1'1 _;._ """|~|o1' Rio:-:0 tzc JUN 3 R171 :"?;':] 44-48793

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I"I|' E -r i |. Davis and Froines are charged with Civil Rights and Conspiracy violations in connection with their activities related to disruptions resulting from the May Day demonstrations sponsored by the Peoples, Coalition for Peace mo Justice. Hoiiman is charged with Antiriot violations in connection with the same disruptions. - . . '

Instructions mentioned above request that we avoid overbearing defendants in Federai erirninai eases as weii as conversations invoivmg their attorneys and other persons concerning trial strategy; also, the F? _ I instructions prescribe procedure to be Iollowed it such conversations are accidentally overheard. They were furnished to the iield by SAC Letter an An J_ .1 n I-union OU"§O CIH. Cl U/.10/DU; --~a; Eldon F. Hawiey is the Departmental Attorney handling this matter. .

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--'-_-_,, it , "' J¥ITSL]E-i . Q. ALLINFORMATIONCONTAINED HEREINas :.liiCLASSlFlED' i!l*.=?OI92¬Tt"i{.TlC!l92'F. AT J A.'.'?;HNG'I'ON, U. C, DATEJi:l/rye BY$1?;f§j~¥;1// MAY, 1971 CR - CONSPIRACY 4 O0: 92"{FO 0 ABBOTT HOWARD HOFFMAN, AHA; ARI.- -~_-...._g = OO: V, F0 | i _ I-or intorniation of offices not receiving prior communications in 5-=1 . rd. . __ . captioned matter, subjects Davis and Froines have been charged with -5 F. Y. Civil Rights and Conspiracy violations in connection with dismp_tio_ns which occurred during recent May Day demonstrations in iaashington, 715'. CC. 4.. . :¥ Subject Hoiiman was indicted by a Federal grand jury at Washington, D. C. , rf ' Q on Antlriot charges based on his activities during the same demonstrations. of-*1 T? -_-q-.--.. The Department has requested immediate implementation out the '1 /|.." |. Attorney General's instructions regarding electronic surveillnnces as set out in the Attorne;.- Gene:-als nzeiz oranoum datéd 7/14/69, with regard to /~/1:» --2.. In7, 1 - 6-8160! ea-+-»i=2aT=i§?~ U, L,;_|H% 197] sea 1-" were JUN PAU'E"I92*-~0. 3 £971 . . Q

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RE: EISUR RENNARD CORDON DAVIS i r Davis, Froines and Hottman. The contents of the Attorney General's ."92' memorandum were previously furnished to all olces by SAC Letter 69-43 .1 dated e/13/es. Comply with the Department's request.

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i is being confirmed by separate communication. ' 92 r 5 Attorney GeneraI's instructions mentioned above requested we avoid ,-?L_ 5. overbearing defendants in Federal criminal cases as well as conversations -a involving their attorneys or other persons regarding trial strategy; it also Lprescribed procedure to be followed if such conversations are overheard accidentally.

1 Above instructions being furnished to those otfices known to currently F '92 have technical surveillances in security matters all addressees except Salt La as-.T"? = City!, or having such coverage awaiting installation Salt Lake City!.

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' a- Joseph Tate, Departmental Attorney assigned to the -.-__. Security Division, who is assisting in the prosecution oithis matter has advised Hoffmanwas arraignedbefore U.S. DistrictJudge J.Lewis 1 Smith in Washington, D.C., today. Hoffman entered aplea of not guilty Z Q andeontiaues be to free under $26,G-3'6 Judge bond. Smithadvised @ Hoffman's attorneyshe wouldgive them 30days inwhich to file motions,- such motionsto be answeredby the Govermnentby 7/16/71. A hearing on the "z." motionswill be held on7/ 21/71. /' .,. I . ACTION: This matter is being closely followed and you will be advised of _._£?=. developments. - 1 U - P 8! J4»

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Q Pdvised she is currertlyemployed a as stewardess or American Airlines and is based in San Francisco. She stated that she has been employed with American for the past 15 months'. She recalled that on April 29, 1971, she worked Flight Number 368, which originates in Oklahoma City I and terminates in Philadelphia with stops in Tulsa, Nashville, and Washington, D.C. She said that an individual known to her as ABBIE HOFF.£J92.N" boarded the plane in sa a d £ - terminatedflight his atWashington, Esaid that D.C. she and the other stewardesses on the plane recognized HOFFMAN because they had seen his picture in a newspaper and ¢ fr on television several times in the past. She said that I 92 L she recalls HOFFMAN sittin in Section himself

. e sai E was polite. In t on, o use a copy of the Oklahoma Journal" dated April 29, 1971, Volume 7, Number 258, which is published in Oklahoma City. She said that she obtained the newspaper from a fellow who was sitting at the rear of the plane. The reason she obtained the paper was because on the front page was a photograph of ABBIE HOFFMAN.

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1 M In order to bring this matter to a current basis and in accordance with your request, a review of our /if races-Re-...e ininab ...... -e.. I: fhnf ...... n I92 ll ovember 29, 1979, and Eovember 27, I; 1970, an individual who appears to be identical with Abbott Howard Hoffman participated in conversations which were monitored through a telephone surveillance at 2915 Ludlow Road, Cleveland, Qhio. This surveillance is identified by . I - symbol number? Enclosed logspertaining thisto z blw conversation are ent fied by telephone number 752-8944. . This surveillance was authorized by the Attorney General on 92, October 27, 1970. It-was installed on November 6, 1970 and 6 92.*9 I was discontinued--on_..1anuarv31, 1971.This informatiornwas/ /- not disseminat . LMHED3 V714 Till:-ll gin-'J2: bl, is-1 '_ an individual who bemay identical "vb-hnf to Abbott 'd'o fmqg, par icipated in a conversation which was monitored tnr"o'u"'*gnf.e-kqanone inrv-eillanceat F18 Stow

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The surveillance was authorized by the Attorney General on February 5, 1971. It was installed on February 18, 1971, C and was discontinued on June 3, 1971. This information was disseminated.

On July 9, 1969, an individual who may be identical to Abbott Howard Hoffman participated in a conversation which was monitored through a telephone surveillance at the National Headquarters of the Black Panther Party, Berkele ia

TheThis surveillance surveillance wasis identified authorized by thesymbol Attorneynumber Genera on February 6, 1969. It was installed on February 26, 1969, and it has been in operation since that time.

Attached is a list of four documents containing information concerning Hoffman including the dissemination made, if any, of the information contained in the documents. The documents are enclosed. Also enclosed are copies of the logs disclosing the conversations of these individuals.

No electronic surveillance has been conducted on any premises in which Hoffman is known to have a proprietary interest. Information previously furnished to the Department regarding Hoffman is not being duplicated in this letter.

It is suggested that you check with other Government agencies with respect to their authorization of electronic devices in connection with the above individual if you have not already done so.

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NOTE: Department's memo of 6/4/71 requested electronic surveillance information check regarding subject Hoffman charged with antiriot violations in connection with recent May Day demonstrations in Washington, D. C.

Hoffman's prior antiriot conviction and contempt citations in connection with the Chicago 7" case are still under appeal.

We previously conducted a similar check at the request of the Department and transmitted the necessary information to them by our memorandum of August 26, 1969. Their current request is to update any information obtained through subsequent electronic coverage of Hoffman and we are sending them our results of our present check along with pertinent documents.

Classified secret since it contains information from documents so classified. Data is this memorandum contains results of electronic surveillance of Students for a Democratic Society and Black Panther Party.

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srcq-2 l. Reportof SpecialAgent , dated 9/25/69, it New York, ew Ycrk, captioned ibDOft Howard Hoffman, Security Matter Anarchist. Disseminated to: Secret 51/Service, New York City, on 9/25/69; United States Attorney, Chicago, Illinois, on 9/30/69; Department of the Army, Secret Service, Internal Revenue Service, and Department J s ce at P C., on 10/1/69. rveillances respectian¢ y. ument i-éentiziee contains in ormationasiand- previously e92'-urn shedto the Department andrestated in this report.,¥<1k! 2. Cleveland airtel to Director, FBI, dated 6/14/71, captioned "Yippie Ccmmune at 718 Stow, Kent, Ohio; IS MISC. No pblVdissemination made to outside agencies. 3. Memorandum dated 4/29/71, at Cleveland, Ohio, captioned "Possible Strike and Attempt to Close Down Kent State University KSU!, Kent, Ohio, on May 3-5, 1971. Disseminated to: United States Attorney, Cleveland, Ohio; Secret Service, Cleveland, chic: and epafteif of the Army, Air Force, and Navy. Cleveland, Ohio, on 4/29/71; the Departments 57¢ of the JusticeArmy, Air on 5i4i71i Force, at andWashinuton, Navy, Secret D. C. Service Surveillance and Department 4. Reportof SpecialAgent dated 5/25/71, at Cleveland, Ohio, captioned "Youth Internat ona Party, aka Yippies; IS - MISC. Disseminated to: Secret Service, Cleveland Ohio; Department cf the Army, Cleveland, Ohio, cn 5/25/71: Secret Service6/4/"~ and the Departmenti oi Justice at Washin ton D. C., on

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