Commonwealth of Pennsylvania House of Representatives Education Committee Hearing
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COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES EDUCATION COMMITTEE HEARING RYAN OFFICE BUILDING ROOM 205 HARRISBURG, PENNSYLVANIA WEDNESDAY, MARCH 26, 2010 9:00 A.M. PRESENTATION ON HOUSE BILL 2205 BEFORE: HONORABLE JAMES R. ROEBUCK, JR., MAJORITY CHAIRMAN HONORABLE KEN SMITH HONORABLE RICHARD T. GRUCELA HONORABLE BARBARA McILVAINE SMITH HONORABLE MIKE CARROLL HONORABLE SCOTT H. CONKLIN HONORABLE PATRICK J. HARKINS HONORABLE MARK LONGIETTI HONORABLE JOHN E. PALLONE HONORABLE ROSITA C. YOUNGBLOOD HONORABLE PAUL I. CLYMER, MINORITY CHAIRMAN HONORABLE WILL TALLMAN HONORABLE BERNIE O'NEILL HONORABLE THOMAS J. QUIGLEY HONORABLE KATHY L. RAPP HONORABLE BRYAN CUTLER HONORABLE MIKE FLECK HONORABLE DUANE MILNE HONORABLE THOMAS P. MURT HONORABLE MIKE REESE ********* KELSEY DUGO REPORTING 71 Willow Mill Park Road * Mechanicsburg , PA 17050 Phone: (704)996-9514 2 1 I N D E X 2 TESTIFIERS 3 NAME PAGE 4 CHAIRMAN JAMES R. ROEBUCK 5 HOUSE EDUCATION COMMITTEE OPENING REMARKS.................................3 6 CHAIRMAN PAUL CLYMER 7 OPENING REMARKS.................................5 8 TODD KLUNK ACTING DEPUTY SECRETARY 9 OFFICE OF CHILD DEVELOPMENT AND EARLY LEARNING (OCDEL)......................6 10 KIRSTEN WOLFE 11 SPECIAL EDUCATION SUPERVISOR EARLY CHILDHOOD PROGRAMS 12 SMETHPORT AREA SCHOOL DISTRICT.................31 13 AMBER STRAUB PARTNERSHIPS COORDINATOR 14 PITTSBURGH PUBLIC SCHOOLS EARLY CHILDHOOD PROGRAM........................34 15 JOAN BENSO 16 PRESIDENT AND CEO PA PARTNERSHIPS FOR CHILDREN (PPC).............38 17 CHAIRMAN JAMES R. ROEBUCK 18 CLOSING REMARKS................................65 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 P R O C E E D I N G S 2 * * * 3 CHAIRMAN ROEBUCK: Good morning. We will now 4 bring this meeting to order. We are here today to have a 5 public hearing on House Bill 2205 and I look forward to full 6 discussion on that proposal. The bill would amend the public 7 school code for the Pre-K Counts program. And I want to begin 8 by asking the Education Committee to introduce themselves. 9 Before I do that, I want to note that we have with us 10 Rep. Conklin, who has recently enjoyed measured success in the 11 primary election and, for some reason, he wants to leave this 12 great committee to take to another world as lieutenant governor 13 and I want to congratulate him on his success and I think it 14 crosses party lines when we acknowledge your success, Scott, 15 and I wish you well. 16 REP. CONKLIN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 17 THE CHAIRMAN: With that, we will ask that the 18 rest of the committee introduce themselves. I'm Jim Roebuck, 19 chairman of the House Education Committee; Philadelphia County. 20 REP. LONGIETTI: Rep. Mark Longietti; Mercer 21 County. 22 REP. RAPP: Rep. Kathy Rapp; Forest, Warren and 23 Mckean counties. 24 REP. QUIGLEY: Rep. Tom Quigley; Montgomery 25 County. 4 1 REP. FLECK: Rep. Mike Fleck; portions of Blair, 2 Huntingdon and Mifflin counties. 3 REP. REESE: Rep. Mike Reese; I represent 4 Westmoreland and Fayette counties. 5 REP. CUTLER: Bryan Cutler; Southern Lancaster 6 County, 100th District. 7 REP. MURT: Tom Murt; Philadelphia and Montgomery 8 counties. 9 REP. TALLMAN: Will Tallman; Adams and York 10 counties. 11 REP. CARROLL: Mike Carroll; Luzerne and Monroe 12 counties. 13 REP. SMITH: Rep. Ken Smith; Lackawanna County. 14 REP. McILVAINE SMITH: Barb McIlvaine Smith; 15 Chester County. 16 CHAIRMAN CLYMER: Paul Clymer; Bucks County. 17 CHAIRMAN ROEBUCK: Thank you. Note that in the 18 members packets are copies of the bill and the bill analysis 19 and the written testimony of those testifiers. As with 20 previous hearings, it is my request -- which is usually 21 ignored, but I will make it a gain -- that those who testify 22 will give a summary of their testimony and that will allow 23 greater time for questions and answers and that will, I think, 24 enhance our ability to understand the proposal before us. 25 First, I would like to begin by asking Rep. Paul 5 1 Clymer, the sponsor of House Bill 2205, to make some short 2 opening remarks. 3 CHAIRMAN CLYMER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I 4 appreciate very much for holding this public hearing on House 5 Bill 2205. It deals with the funding and other situations with 6 Pre-K Counts. As we all recognize, Pre-K Counts has been 7 instrumental and assisting those students to a higher level of 8 learning and so it's before successful. As a result of that 9 success, there has been a waiting list for entering into the 10 program. 11 There is an $85 million budget for Pre-K Counts. The 12 question is, can we extend Pre-K to more students by more 13 efficient use of the funds? Our co-payments from the program 14 and users fee a possibility. To that extent, my proposal 15 requests the Legislative Budget and Finance Committee to 16 conduct a study of the appropriateness of fees and co-payments 17 as part of the Pre-K Counts program. 18 The use of co-payments and fees should be studied in 19 those states that have also funded prekindergarten programs 20 similar to what we have here in PA. 21 My legislation also grants priority funding to at risk 22 students and this is another important issue for us to 23 consider. We also need to establish guidelines for approved 24 providers to engage in outreach and partnership with Head 25 Start, Child Care Works and other child care programs. 6 1 Then, in the legislation, it prohibits an approved 2 provider from using grant funds for lobbying activities. It 3 also states that we should verify or cause to be verified by a 4 third party, the residence and income of the applicants to the 5 program. It says, The Auditor General may conduct audits and 6 reviews of the grant program. 7 These are the highlights of this proposal. Thank you, 8 Mr. Chairman, for your consideration. 9 CHAIRMAN ROEBUCK: Thank you very much. Let me 10 first note that we've been join by two additional members. 11 I've asked them if they would introduce themselves. 12 REP. YOUNGBLOOD: Rep. Rosita Youngblood from 13 Philadelphia County. 14 REP. PALLONE: John Pallone; 54th Legislative 15 District, representing northern Westmoreland County and 16 southern Armstrong County. 17 CHAIRMAN ROEBUCK: Thank you. Our first testifier 18 is Todd Klunk, Acting Deputy Secretary, Office of Child 19 Development and Early Learning. I would ask that he come 20 forward and make his presentation. 21 ACTING DEPUTY SECRETARY KLUNK: Good morning, 22 Chairman Roebuck, Chairman Clymer, and House Education 23 Committee members. 24 This is the first time that I've been in front of the 25 committee, so let me introduce myself. I am Todd Klunk, the 7 1 Acting Deputy Secretary for the Office of Child Development and 2 Early Learning. I assumed that duty in January of this year. 3 Prior to that, I served in the civil service as the Director of 4 Finance, Administration and Planning for the same office. And 5 I am here to talk about PA Pre-K Counts. 6 To summarize the Chairman's recommendation, the program 7 has been very successful. Over the last eight years of this 8 administration, we made great strides in the early childhood 9 education here in PA. 10 PA Pre-K Counts -- I do want to touch on a few things, 11 a few of our outcomes of PA Pre-K Counts. Note on page 2 of 12 the testimony, nearly three times as many children were 13 proficient in Personal and Social Development after a year in 14 PA Pre-K Counts. Nearly four times as many children were 15 proficient in Language and Literacy. And just on that note, 16 last evening I spent time in Center County and there was a 17 superintendent of a school district up there who was talking 18 about how successful PA Pre-K Counts and that his 19 kindergartners are now reading on first grade reading levels. 20 So he was quite impressed with the outcomes. 21 More than four times as many children were proficient 22 in Math. Five times as many children were proficient in 23 Scientific Thinking. So these are great outcomes and we're 24 quite proud of the program. And these outcomes, obviously, are 25 predicated on the high quality standards we have on PA Pre-K 8 1 Counts. 2 I do want to touch on some points of the bill. 3 Addresses Chairman Clymer's bill, passing the current form, we 4 believe would negatively impact the PA Pre-K Counts program by 5 imposing a fee schedule on parents who cannot afford it and by 6 lowering its quality. 7 Currently we have a 300 percent federal poverty income 8 guideline cutoff. There's a lot of national research that 9 shows that families at that 300 percent are just as much at 10 risk as those families above or below the 300 percent, and that 11 does make sense. This group of children and their families are 12 slightly above most of the social safety nets that we have. 13 Forcing co-pays from these parents is bad policy for 14 several reasons. First, these payments are contrary to the 15 purpose and mission of education. Second, the most relevant, 16 the targeted families do not have the resources to afford the 17 fees. We do know from the PA Department of Labor and 18 Industry's Self-Sufficiency Standard Index shows families 19 earning up to 300 percent of the federal poverty level are on 20 the brink and cannot possibly afford another cost.