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DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Fourth Session - Thirty-Eighth Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Official Report (Hansard) Published under the authority of The Honourable George Hickes Speaker Vol. LVII No. 58 - 10 a.m., Friday, April 28, 2006 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Thirty-Eighth Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation AGLUGUB, Cris The Maples N.D.P. ALLAN, Nancy, Hon. St. Vital N.D.P. ALTEMEYER, Rob Wolseley N.D.P. ASHTON, Steve, Hon. Thompson N.D.P. BJORNSON, Peter, Hon. Gimli N.D.P. BRICK, Marilyn St. Norbert N.D.P. CALDWELL, Drew Brandon East N.D.P. CHOMIAK, Dave, Hon. Kildonan N.D.P. CULLEN, Cliff Turtle Mountain P.C. CUMMINGS, Glen Ste. Rose P.C. DERKACH, Leonard Russell P.C. DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk N.D.P. DOER, Gary, Hon. Concordia N.D.P. DRIEDGER, Myrna Charleswood P.C. DYCK, Peter Pembina P.C. EICHLER, Ralph Lakeside P.C. FAURSCHOU, David Portage la Prairie P.C. GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Lib. GOERTZEN, Kelvin Steinbach P.C. HAWRANIK, Gerald Lac du Bonnet P.C. HICKES, George, Hon. Point Douglas N.D.P. IRVIN-ROSS, Kerri Fort Garry N.D.P. JENNISSEN, Gerard Flin Flon N.D.P. JHA, Bidhu Radisson N.D.P. KORZENIOWSKI, Bonnie St. James N.D.P. LAMOUREUX, Kevin Inkster Lib. LATHLIN, Oscar, Hon. The Pas N.D.P. LEMIEUX, Ron, Hon. La Verendrye N.D.P. MACKINTOSH, Gord, Hon. St. Johns N.D.P. MAGUIRE, Larry Arthur-Virden P.C. MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood N.D.P. MARTINDALE, Doug Burrows N.D.P. McFADYEN, Hugh Fort Whyte P.C. McGIFFORD, Diane, Hon. Lord Roberts N.D.P. MELNICK, Christine, Hon. Riel N.D.P. MITCHELSON, Bonnie River East P.C. MURRAY, Stuart Kirkfield Park P.C. NEVAKSHONOFF, Tom Interlake N.D.P. OSWALD, Theresa, Hon. Seine River N.D.P. PENNER, Jack Emerson P.C. REID, Daryl Transcona N.D.P. REIMER, Jack Southdale P.C. ROBINSON, Eric, Hon. Rupertsland N.D.P. ROCAN, Denis Carman P.C. RONDEAU, Jim, Hon. Assiniboia N.D.P. ROWAT, Leanne Minnedosa P.C. SALE, Tim, Hon. Fort Rouge N.D.P. SANTOS, Conrad Wellington N.D.P. SCHELLENBERG, Harry Rossmere N.D.P. SCHULER, Ron Springfield P.C. SELINGER, Greg, Hon. St. Boniface N.D.P. SMITH, Scott, Hon. Brandon West N.D.P. STEFANSON, Heather Tuxedo P.C. STRUTHERS, Stan, Hon. Dauphin-Roblin N.D.P. SWAN, Andrew Minto N.D.P. TAILLIEU, Mavis Morris P.C. WOWCHUK, Rosann, Hon. Swan River N.D.P. 1691 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Friday, April 28, 2006 The House met at 10 a.m. Mr. Murray: I found that being in opposition that sometimes you just say nay, Mr. Speaker. PRAYER Mr. Speaker: In my opinion, the Yeas have it. ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS Formal Vote INTRODUCTION OF BILLS Mr. Leonard Derkach (Official Opposition House Bill 211–The Truth About Crocus Act Leader): Well, Mr. Speaker, I think we better have a Mr. Stuart Murray (Leader of the Official recorded vote on this one. Opposition): Mr. Speaker, I am not sure if there is Mr. Speaker: Okay, a recorded vote having been an opportunity to pass the hat, but now would be a requested, call in the members. good time. * (10:10) Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Ste. Rose (Mr. Cummings), Mr. Speaker: The question before the House is to that Bill 211, The Truth About Crocus Act; Loi adopt the motion of the first reading of Bill 211. concernant la vérité sur le Fonds de placement Division Crocus, now be read a first time. A RECORDED VOTE was taken, the result being as Motion presented. follows: Mr. Murray: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to introduce Yeas this legislation. I think the importance of what has happened with the Crocus scandal is that Allan, Altemeyer, Ashton, Bjornson, Brick, Chomiak, Manitobans, the media, all of the public, I believe, Cullen, Cummings, Derkach, Dewar, Doer, need to find out what took place. This bill will enable Driedger, Dyck, Eichler, Faurschou, Gerrard, a public inquiry to take place so that the public, the Goertzen, Hawranik, Irvin-Ross, Jha, Lamoureux, important public, will understand what took place, Lemieux, Maguire, Martindale, McGifford, Melnick, what went on with this Crocus scandal. I think it is a Mitchelson, Murray, Nevakshonoff, Oswald, Penner, very important bill and I hope it gets unanimous Reid, Reimer, Rocan, Rondeau, Rowat, Sale, Santos, consent from the House. Thank you very much. Schellenberg, Schuler, Selinger, Stefanson, Struthers, Swan, Taillieu. Mr. Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? Madam Clerk (Patricia Chaychuk): Yeas 45, Nays 0. Some Honourable Members: No. Mr. Speaker: The motion has been carried. * (10:05) The honourable Official Opposition House Voice Vote Leader, on a point of order or a matter of privilege. Mr. Speaker: All those in favour of the motion, say Mr. Derkach: Well, Mr. Speaker, I would like the yea. record to show that this bill was accepted in this Some Honourable Members: Yea. House unanimously. Mr. Speaker: All those opposed to the motion, say Hon. Steve Ashton (Deputy Government House nay. Leader): Yes, Mr. Speaker, perhaps the record should also show, and I point to Beauchesne Citation Some Honourable Members: Nay. 646: It is every member's right to bring in a bill. Mr. Speaker: In my opinion, the– It is standard practice for this House and all Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh. parliaments to approve first reading of bills, and I 1692 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA April 28, 2006 think we just did that. We could have done that Point of Order without a recorded vote, but if the member wants on Mr. Speaker: The honourable Official Opposition the record that there was unanimity and the ability of House Leader, on a new point of order? this member or any member to bring a bill before the Legislature, yes, there is unanimity. I hope, however, Mr. Derkach: Well, Mr. Speaker, then I would, we will be getting into some debate of those bills under Citation 18, in Beauchesne, seek leave of the fairly soon as well. House to deal with Bill 36, with unanimous consent of the House, because I think that is the procedure Mr. Speaker: Order. Is there a will of the House for that is followed, if I understand it correctly. the record to show that there was a unanimous vote? [Agreed] Mr. Ashton: I think there was quite extensive discussion of this yesterday, and you pointed out, The record itself will show that it was Mr. Speaker, that House leaders should be engaged unanimous because there was not one member that in any discussions related to House business. I point rose to oppose it, so it would normally be shown as out that the appropriate way to debate any and all unanimous anyway. bills starts with getting into Orders of the Day. I * (10:15) think if you would care to check the records, thanks to numerous points of order and matters of privilege Point of Order that have resulted in bell ringing, with the exception Mr. Speaker: The honourable Official Opposition of the comments of the Leader of the Opposition House Leader, on the point of order or matter of (Mr. Murray) on the budget on one day, the privilege? opposition has stalled this House from getting to Orders of the Day since that time. Mr. Derkach: On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. So whatever they are saying today about this bill Mr. Speaker: On a point of order. or any other bill rings hollow. All they have to do is Mr. Derkach: Mr. Speaker, Citation 18, on page 7, agree to follow the agenda of this House, get into Beauchesne's, 6th Edition, says that at any time the Orders of the Day. We can consider the budget. We House may agree to set aside any order of business can consider bills. We can take care of the business and proceed with whatever business the House wants of the Province. They are the ones that are blocking to do. that, and they know that. I just heard the Acting House Leader indicate Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh. that he hopes that we can get on with debate of some Mr. Speaker: Order. The normal process in the bills. I would, with respect, Mr. Speaker, move that House is that Routine Proceedings do not normally we interrupt proceedings to debate second reading of debate bills under Routine Proceedings. They are Bill 36, which was introduced in the House normally debated under Orders of the Day. That is yesterday. With unanimous consent, I am sure that our normal function of the House, but the honourable we can do anything in this House, as Citation 18 member has asked leave to debate bills under says. I know this bill, which is a detox bill, is an Routine Proceedings. important one, and so, therefore, we are prepared to interrupt the proceedings now, have second reading So I put the question to the House. Is there a on the bill and then come back to Routine unanimous consent? Proceedings after that. Some Honourable Members: Agreed. Mr. Speaker: Order. First of all, a motion cannot be Some Honourable Members: No. moved, I heard the member propose to move a motion, until we get to Orders of the Day. Mr. Speaker: No, it has been denied. A motion cannot be moved on a point of order. So we will move on to Routine Proceedings. So I have to rule that the honourable member does Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh.
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