Thursday, 14th December, 1933 THE, COUNCIL OF STATE DEBATES • VOLUME II, 1933
(29th .A.ugust to 16th Deumbe'l'l 1933)
SIXTH SESSION
OF THE THIRD COUNCIL OF STATE 1933
I I PullmAn BY MANA.GER OJ' PuBJ.IOA.TIONS, DELllI. I, Panr!l'BD By MA.NA.Gu, GOVERNMENT OF INDIA PRESS, SIJIU. lD~ CONTENTS .• PAGES. TaeIday, ... Avpst, 1888- Membel'fl Sworn Questions and Answel'fl • 1-7:.1 Remark.! by the Honourable ·thl.' President re ~ 1) absence of Members during Question time and (2) publication of their qUOOItionl and resolutiolUl before tJiey appear on tho List of BWlin_ 72-73 M_age from His 'EltCeHency the Governor General . 73 Committee on Petitions • 73 Governor Q.!naral's _tit to Billll St-atelMnts laid on the table Billl>all8ed by the Legislative AslMftnbly laid on the table 77 ~ngratulations to the Honourable Sir Kormusji Mehta 77 !llotion for the eleotion of two non-oftioial Members to the Standing ()Immittee of tho Department of IndUltries and Labour-Adopted 77 Motiou for the election of tWO' non-oftl.cial Members to the Standing Committee of tho Depart·ment of Commerce--Adopted 77 Indian Arbitration (Amendment) Bill-Introduoed 78 Oantonments (Houso-Aooommodation Amendment) Bill-Introduoed 78 Deaths of Raja Bijoy Sing Dudb.oria of AzimguJJge, Bengal, and Mr. O. H_ F. Porcira. • • It • • • • • • • • Statement of Busil1f8ll -.W"'a8lll&),,80&h Aaraai, 1888- Address by Hia Exoellenoy the Vioeroy to the Kembers of the Counoil of State and the Legislative Assembly 81-89 ThUl'lda,,8t1t Auraat. 1888- Questions and Answers • 91-95 Short Notioe Question and Answer 95-96 Motion re future administration of Aden-Adopted 96-123 Motion re levy in Britisb India of d\1811 in nspeot of lightboules, eto.-Adopted 124-'25 IIoDdaJ. ~ Ie_ ..... 1888- Membel'ill Strom 127 Questions and Answers • 127-31 Bhort Notice Questions and Answers 131-32 Condemnatory apeeoheB in connection' with .the lIoIII&8Bin.tioa of Mr. Burge. District Magistrate,. Mid~pore. . _. • • • • • 133-34 Bi1JII ~ },>y the, Legillla.tive, Asse!p.bly l!yd ~ the ~ble . • 134 B.BI!o~ution re proviai?n ~ priv~ges, powers and imlJluni~es to Legislatures lD the DeW Constitution-WIthdrawn. • • • • • • 134-41 BeIIolution re oondltion df agrioulturists-Negatived . • 1·I1-C~5 Resolution N reduction of railway freights on the tran~port of Punjab whcat , -Withdrawn. • • • • • • • • • • 1M-flO Resolution resale ohilver--Koved • . 100 Jl.223 L. D. [ ii ] PAGE•• 'heId.,.ltIa Septemhr.1888- Questions and Answerll • 1&1-63 S40rt Notice Question and Answer 163 Iridian Arbitration (Amendment) Bill-Considered and passed 164 CantOnments (House·Accommodation Amendment) Bm~ Ititf. passed.. • ',' '.' '.',' • • 1fH---65 Workmen'. Compensation (Amendment) Bill-Considered. and paaed 106-70 Statement of BUBin .. 170 Wed.aIId.,. 8th .,tiiiDiaer. 1'.~ QUestion8 and Answers • • 171-74 Bill IJ8:BBOd by the u.gislative A8IIembly laid on the table 174 Resolution re Bale of silver-Withdrawn .• 17'~3 Resolution re release of political prieoners and deten~_Negatived 183-202 Resolution re Indian Civil Service-Hoved . • 202 - ft1l1'ld&)'. 7th Sep&ember. 1988- Bill paeaed by tJJe LegiBlative Assembly laid on the table 203 Land Aoquisition (Amendment) BiU---Considered aad p..Be: TraiJ!lllg Corp8~Wit.¥ra~ " • .. .~ !;~lm. ',Ierw:ara Jllveniles SrnakingBUI-lioti
Mli I ~ ~~ tlw ~.wve AllltmbJY 337 Bill. palbd .,. ike lAg...... Alaembl)' lailha tile table 337 ~")~;on,.e Joint COlnrnittee on the Reserve Bank of Ind~ Bill-Adopted 3:\7--64 ~b',iqn "/1 .roill. ~t.tQe Q ~ l~pI!l'~ lWJIf. of ~ (.lIl~eDt) ~"ill.-.A4o~ • • • • • • • • • • 3CU-85 .*& ~lIlont of Bllainese 365 ". . Menday, 141&11 SIp"mller, 11188- " 11 '!lage from' the Legislative Aseembly 367 B'll pa,ssd ily the Legislative Assembly laid on the table 367 11 ,tiOR ,.e nomination of Members to serve 011 the .Joint Committee to oonaider .1Jd, ..e"Ii an '4- .a*fV8 BIoIak of 1a4ia. BiU-,-AdopMd 881-88 ~htion Te nornin!l.tion of MembBrtI to serve on the Joint Committee to oonsider and report on t_ II1IVIJt'i4ll Bauk of I1ldi. (AlIl8Ddment):Bi1l-Acioptecr .' 368 Ullrshidabad E~tate Adrninistration Bill-Conaidered and paell8d • • 368-76 I Idia~ Tea Cantrol Bill-Considered and passed • 376-·80 I Idi!.u M"reh!l.'\t Shipping (Swond Amendlnent) Bill-Considered and passed 380-82 Statement of Bll8inesB 382 W8CIalldaJ. 20th Sep"mber. 1988..:.... QIlBlltiona and Answera • • 388-84 Short Notioo Qlleation and Answer 386 Statements laid on the table 385-87 Bill pMSed by thu Lsgialative Assembly laid on the table 387 Da.ngeroll8 DrllgB (Amendment) Bill-CoDBidered and paued 387-88 Statement of Bllsin_ 388 T:tVIdaJ. atAlleptemller, 1988- Indian Hedioa.l Counoil Bill-OOnaidered and paned 389-404 Death of Dr. MrI. Annie Bela.nt 406-08 ThmdaJ,140th Decem ..... 1988- Members Swom QIl88tiOn. .nd AllIwers • Death of Mr. Vith!l.lbhai Patel • .... from Hi. Exoellency the Govel'llO' GeDer&l [ivJ ft1lr'ld." 14th December, 1988-eoftUl. Committee on Petition.. • LJ1lrary Commit* Governor General'. AllIent'to Bill.. Report! of the Joint Committees on the Bilrto oonstitute a Reserve B&Ilk ot India a.nd on the Bill further to aml!Dd ~ Imperial Bank of India Act, 1\)020, for oerfain ])UrpoBll8 laid on the table Statements laid on the table Announcement re ,la.ying oHnformation OIl the .t.ble , 4M Bill paned by the Legi8lativtl As8embly laid on the t&bl8 464 I': Motion for the election of on~ non.offici~ MeD)ber t9 the Standing Oommittee ' J on Emigration vice Mr. G, A. Nate8&n, religned-Adopted., , 4M RMolution "e ratification of the Silver Agree~nt-Adopted , 456-84 ,\ Beeolution '"e non-ratilication and non~accept&nce of the Draft Convention and Recommendation' concerning fee oT1&rging employttleDt agenciee adopted at the 8evellteenth S.. ioll of$he Internatiollal Labour Coo- ference-Adopted 465--86 :Resolution "e non-ratification and non·acceptance of the Draft Conventions ,1, and Recommendation coftceminp; 'invalidity, old·age and widon' and \ orphans' inllUrance adopted at the Seventeenth &8Iion of the Inter- n.ation'!ol Labour Confere.noe-,Adopt-ed • 48&--69 \' Statement of Busine81 .. , 1ahrdaJ, 18th Deoemller, 1983- ~ , Member S,rorn . . '71 Questiona and Anllwerl , 471-74 Election of ,a nOIl·oftiDisi Member to the Standing Committee on Emigra- tion '74 Iodian Taritl (8eoond Amendment) Bill-Col1tliclered aad puM . 47&-87 J 4 I COUNCIL OF STATE. ThrBiJa,y, Ut'" December, 1933.
The Council met in the Council Chamber of the Counoil HOUle in New Delhi, at Eleven olthe Clock, the Honourable ~he President in the Chair.
MEMBERS SWORN :
The Honourable Mr. Ronald Evelyn Leslie Wingate, C~.E. (Governmen1; of India: Nominated Official). The Honourable Mr. David George Mitchell, C.S.I., C.I.E. (Industries and Labour Secretary). 'The Honourable Sir Guthrie RUB8811, Kt. (Chief Commissioner of Rail. ways). The Honourable Mr. Charles Aleunder Souter, C.S.I. (Madras: Nomi. Dated OfficiaJ). 'The Honourable Mr. George Hemming Spence, C.I.E. (Government or India: Nominated Official). 'The Honourable Sir Kurma Venkata Reddi, Kt. (Madras: Nomina Non.Official).
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.
REPATBIATION UJI' TERRORIST PRISONERS FROM THE ANDAlIUNS. 214. TUE HO'NOUlUBLE RAI BAHADUB LALA MATHURA PRASAD MEHROTRA: lIas the attention of Government been drawn to a pres,s statement issued by a large number of leading Indians including the Poet Ra.bindra. Natil Tagore,P. O.Roy, Srimati Sarojini Naidu, O. F. Andrews, C. Y. Ohintamani, and many others, urging Government immediately to repatriate to India. t.he political prisoners sent to the Andamans and requesting to stop altogether transfer and compulsory transportation of any class of o(l()nvicts 1 ' (For reply see under No. 216.)
REPATBIATION O'J' TBUOBIST PBISONEBS FROllil THB ANDAMANS. 215. THE HO'NOURA.BLB RAJ BAHADUR LALA. MATHURA PRASAD XEHROTRA: (a) Will Government be pleased to state whether it has given any reply to the representation referred to in the previous question , (6) H the answer is in the negative, what a.re the reasons for not replying 1;0 it , THE HONO'UBABLE MB.. M. G. HALLETT: With your perm_ion, Sir. I propose to reply to questions NOB. 214 and 215 together. ( 407 ) t08 OOUNOIL OF STATE. [14TH Dmo. 1988. I 'Would refer the Honourable Member to the Honourable the Home- Member's speech of 11th September, 1933, in this House which contained a complete an8wer to his que8tions.
Tm: HONOURABLE RAI BAJU.DUR LALA. MATHURA PRASAD MEHROTRA: May I know if the' Government attaohes any value or gives any consideration to these repI'888ntations, however important they are !
, ~ HONQUB.A..W.lilMB. M. G, HALLETT: If the Ron08nil>b.le Me1p.ber had been present when the Honourable Home Member deHv8l'ed his iip'" he woula have realised that he referred to thi8 representation in the OOUI'll6 of that t peeoh. I have nothing to a.dd to what the Honourable Home Member said on t·hat oocasion.
TaE HONOURABLE RAI BAlUDUR LALA MATHURA PRASAD MEHROTRA': Was a.ny reply given to' the mem~ 1VJio made this representation ! '
THE HONOURABLE h. M. G. HALLETT: I think no l'6ply otner than tkat given in. She apeeoh Was' given. AafM' aa I reooDect, the teptM~tion or the memorandum was not sent direct to Government.
THE HONOURABLE RAI BAlIADUR LALA MATHURA '. PRASAD ~HRO~: '. Wa~ it forw.rded t.8rough any Provinoial Government ~
1)J~. HoNOVa.6"BJ:.E ~ M: .(}. HAJ..LE'l'T; I ,mU8t ':for·DOtiOO 9f t'hat question. As far a8 I recollect the memora.ndum W808 no~a. aerdi to Go-fernment officially by these gentlemen who had signed it. It was merely published in the press. Hence it wa.s not sent to a.ny Local Government.
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Tlu.N~FElI.. O:r~ORIST ~N~, TO THE AND~~ • . 216. TREH<;>NPUJU.BLE R..u BARADUR J:.,..u.,& )J1\THURA PRASAD MEIm.{)TRA! (a) Is it a fact that a' fresh batoh of pris()Ders ordoteD~. haa been sent to the Andam&ns t . (6) H 10, will GoT.emmen.t ~ pleased to state their number and nun.... well as the reuona for aendiBg them ~ . ,
THE HON()t1RAlIUII 10.' M. G. HALLETI': (a) and' (6). Twenty-1i'Ve terrorist prisoners were sent to the Andama.ma on 3rd September, 1933.' Government do not propose to. publish their mmea. The policy of Govern- ment in this ma.tter was fully expla.ined by the Honourable the Home Member in his speech in this HoUle 'On 11th ~ber. IDS.' ' THE HONO~ Ma.JAGADISH CHANDRA BANER.TEE,; W.. , it a. fact that the Home Member ga.ve&. deflnite reply during the last' Sin:i1a. 888/iion that no 'further batChes of prisoners will be Rent to the Andamans ? . , ,,' \, 'l'Hlll HONOURABLE MR. M. G. HALLETT: The Honourable MembeIJ:,'; I unders~nd, is asking whether flq'ther batch~ will bc;l .. ~nt., . +bey will certain1ybe if'~ ~,m, accQrdance'.with pol\oY,~ttbe' .G~v~- ment. !lent ...... ,.! ...... _. th.e " .. , . , . .
. ~:" ,,. QUESTIONS AlID ANSWERS. 409
CIvil. &&GJDON, BARJDILLY. 217. ~ H~' RAI BWD1JR LAtA. MA'I'HUM PRASAD ft1!ltOT~A: (a) Is it Ii. fa.ct tll's.t the Ci~il SU1"geon, Bl1reHly, uliedto get an:ailowbce ftClD1.th~ Rold'lkunu'and Kll'tD.aob Raihva.y for looking after the fliihVa., colotiy t (6) If .0, '"-, and since when has the allowaDCe been stopped ! {e) II it; ... '1Wt that it ..,. l1een stopped owing -to ail India memW tI. 16& IIBiiIm Medie&i SenD heiilg rec8Jltl,. n&t.ioneal tilere9 (d) If so, what d(jO&idetlttton ;vas pai4to t1'6 lritge ntI.irlbet df Indian staff in the colony!
THE HONOURABLE SIB GuTHRiE RUSSELL: (Il) Yes. ·{b), '~) Mid' (Ii). '1'tie A~dt, Rohilku'nd wd ,KlImaon Railway, reports ht "*h tlie ftJIMlIriOD of the ..Railway Medical Departm8Dt of thad Railway it; 1ta8 Ddt col'lBidered. ~ryto retain the services of the Civil'Surgeon. Ba.reilly, auy' long~andth~y ;vete acoordingly diBpenseci!wi.th. The medioal needs of the Bohfllml'l'dlLnd Kuma.onR&ilway 'At&t! at Bareilly are atUmded to by the Railway Medical Officer stationed at Izatnagar.
DELlIi: CAMP Au.oW.utCE D'RAWN :By CLlClUOAL STAn 0:8' Arr.a:mrim OFIfrOl!:S " 'ANn ~ HEADQtTABTEBS. '
2f8~ Tn 'JIOJ«ImLdL'I MB; V, C. VELUNGIRIGOUNDER: (tI). Is it a fact that the Atta.ched Officf's and the Arm, H~.a.dqt'l1lorters clerical staff. draw an allowance called "camp a]]owanc{\' in Delhi in lifu of the house rent allowance drawn by the clerical staff!> of the Secretariat departmentfl1 (b) Is it a faot that the m~mbers of t,he Sec~etariat departments have to SMtend~ their entiie I10uae rent ,in Simla when proVided withquarters~ where- at the members of Atta.ched Offices and Army Beadqua.rte1'8 pa.y only 10 pl.U" cent. rent for the same quarters ? (e) Is it & fact th6.t A of a. Se~ariat ~pa.rtment drawing" Salary of, say, Rs. 100 per meJillem 'a.nd efttitled to a house rent·of R.!I. 260 bas to 8Uft'edr it wheD. he Ii allotted a quarier whereas B of an Attached O1Iice or A!iIry He&dq1aartera drswingthelaDle pay, pa.ys for the lI&D;le type of hoUle 0Dily 10 per cent. of his pay 8S real; which comes only to &. 70 in all for the season' If so, does it not mean that A pays Rs. 260 and B p.ys Rs. 70 for the same type of house! If so, will C'...overnment pltla8e explain why there is this diItinetioa aa4 whelher they propose to eliminate it' Hnot, why' , , THE HONOURABLE MR. M. G. HALLETI': (tI) The camp aJlowanoe drawn in Delhi by the clerical staff of Attached Offices and Army Headquarters is not in lieu of the Simla house rent allowance admissible 'to men' in the Sec- retariat proper. It is intended to meet the extra expenditure involved in maintaining two establishDl6nts when memberaof the staff are away from their headquart~r8. namely, Simla.. (b) a.nd (c). The clerical "taft of~he SecrOtnt pro~r i!." entitled to certain concessions 'in regi\.rdto a.ccommodation hi Simla.. In the case of those under the old rules Who are allotted quarters, the rent, of which exceedS the houae relit allowance admissibJt', the allowance is withheld in fUlla.nd the men concerned "av~~ pay ~"DDl_Jlhculifference.". Wh~.,tdt.rent of tbe quarters is .. tqn t.iI.e "wa~' ~i~6. thj) .dift~ence is ~id, to the c~erk. In the ca.se of tholle under the new rules who are allotted QQ~f»1lmeilt quartet:8, A2 410 oomma 01' STATH. [14TH nBC. 1988. I there is no question of. paying the difference, if any, either to Government or to the clerk, as the quarters are given free" whatever their rent. Clerks in Attached Offices are not, as a general mle, entitled to free aocommodation in Simla. They therefore pay as rent up to 10 per oent. of their pay under Fundamental Rule 45B. IV. There is no analogy between the two C&888 but I cannot admit that Secretariat men, the Whole 01 whose house allowance is withheld, are unfairly treated. It is a well-known principle that an &11owaince of this kind is not to be a source of profit. If Government provides accommodation free of rent in Simla, it has fu16lled its undertakiDg and· m ~ . not called upon to pay anything more on that aooount.
BEMLOE QUABTEBS. 219. THE HONOURABLE MR. V. C. VELLINGIRI GOUNDER: Is it a fact that the rental of Bemloe qua.rtera which are int,ended for gazetted officers and men drawing more than Re. 600 is much less tha.,n the rt:ntal of the A type quarters in Summer Hill t If so, how is . this justified and is GoverlUllent prepared to eliminate the distinction' If not, why ,
THB HONOUB.A.BLE Ma. D. G. MITCHELL: No. In the case only of ~ " F " bungalows of types " C " and " D " at BeuJoe, the rents are slightly lower than the rent of an '.' A " class quarter at Summer Hill. As rents are a.asessed in aooordance with settled principles, Government see no reason to eliminate the distinction. I may add, however, that the rents of hoUlell in Simla are under revision.
BBlIILOB Quu.TBB8. 220. THE HONOUlWJLE MB. V. C. VELLINGIRI GOUNDER: (a) II .it 6 fact that the rental of Bemloe quarters is caloulated on a seuonal basis &Dd not on an annual basis , (b) Is it a faot that tbe rental of qua.rt.ers of an types in Summer Hill and partioularly of" A" type is calculated OD an annual basis , (e) If so, how do Government justify the differential treatment &8 between the officers living in Bemloe and the staff living in Summer Hill, especially when the former are in receipt of]argai' emoluments' Is Government prepared to a.bolish this diatinction' If not, why'
THE HOl!iOUlU.BLE MR. D. O. MrTCHBLL: (a) No. All renta are oalculated on an a.nnual iwlis and cha.rged for the period of &1lotment. . (b) Yes. (c) Does not arise.
SUJDIEB HILL QUABTBB8. 221. THB HONOUlU.BLE MR. V. C. VELLiNGIRI GOUNDER: (a) Is it a fact that Government quarters in Summer Hill are available for allotment to the staff in the Secretariat. as well as in the Attached Offioes who have adopted the unorthodox style of living , (b) Will Government be pleased to state the ba.ais on w~h allotment of these qua.rters is made as between the staff of the Secretariat aad. the afaff .d the Attached Offices , QtJBSTIONS AND ANSWERS. 411 J ~; (e) Is it a fact tha.t in the allotment of these quartets preference jmould be mown, in aooorda.nce with the rules framed by the Government of India, to per80D8 employed in the Becreta.ria.t' If so, will Government be pleaaed to state whether this rule ha.s been strictly followed in the allotment that.has been made for the summer season of 1934' If not, will Government kindly explain the reasons for the deviation from the rule !
Twa HONOURABLE MR. D. G. MITCHELL: (a) Yes. (6) The allotments are made in acoordance with the aocommodation rules, Under which there is no express distinction between Secretariat staff and etaff of Attached Offioes. Priority is, however, given to those in receipt of Simla house rent allowance, and this allowance is paid mainly to members of the Secretariat staff. (e) No. The rules provide inter alia that those entitled to a house rent allowance shall ha.ve priority over those not so entitled. These rules have been 8trictly followed in making the allotments for the summer eelUlon of 1934.
SUJOIEB 1IILL QUABTJDBS. 222. TIm HONO'OlWlLE 10. V. C. VELLINGIRI qOUNDER : (a) Is it a. fact tha.t Government recover by way of rental on tbese quarters 1888 from persons belonging to the Attached Offices like Army Hea.dquarters, Civil Aviation and Indian Stores Department, than from tbose belonging to .the Secretariat 1 If 80, how do Government justify the allotment of certain qua.rtel'b, especially of the highest type ]11 Summer Hill, to persons of the AttllChed Offices, especially when persons from tbe Secretariat who are otherwise entitled to these quarters have a.pplied for them! (6) Will Government be pleased to state how much loss there has been to Central Revenues by such allotment !
TmII HONO'UlU.BLII MR. D. G. MITCHELL: (a) Yes. In most oases Govemment receives less rent from persons belonging to the Attached Oftioea than would be received from members of the Seoref;a.riat staff. Allotments are made strictly in aooordanoe with the rules and no question of justification arises. (6) The information is not readily availa.ble. The allotments f()r Simla quarters are, however, made in order of juniority and the object in view is not the realization of the maximum amount of rent.
Sl7JU[JlB HILL QUABTlIlBS. 223. THE HONO'OlWlLE MR. V. C. VELLINGIRI GOUNDER: Will Government be ple&sed to state the prinC'iples on which the different types of qua.rten, namely, co A ", .c B " and " C It in Summer Hill are allotted ¥ Twa HONo'OlWlLJll MR. D. G. MITCHELL: The quarters are allotted in aooordanoe with the aooommodation rules,· a oopy of whioh is laid on the table.
Sl7lIlIIlIIB 1IILL QuABTIlBS. !94. To HONO'DlWWll MR. V. C. VELLlNGffiI GOUNDER: (a) Is it • fact that, in oQDIl6Otion with the allotment of these quarters for the llUlDlDer season of 1934, it was found that not all the cC A" type quarters
• Not pnnteci. [14TH DBa. 1988. ooaid. f) • alle'Med ~ the persona who ue eutided to fduml. i.... to those persoM of the Beereta.ria.t who 801'Je ·in JJeCeipt of hauael'eDt.now..n.. ." •. _ a.nd over' If BO. wha.t is tho nuabel' of such quarterB ... ·io wIa.om have tlwae qu.rtel'8 been allotted ¥ ' , (b) Will Government be pleased to state whether in Buoh a.llotment considera.tion ha.s beon shown to those who have already been living in Government quarters but who a,re entitled only to lower types of qua.rtel'8 , If so, what are the principles that have been adopted ~ If not. lthy Y
To HONOUlUBLlIl MR. D. ·G. lIIITOHEU: (a) There Wale II ~'",'I 0_ qua.r\JerR surplus after I1lBIlting the deDlaDCfa of oaloers eIIIIIiiled. to them aad. these were allotted as follows :
Seven to Q~led " B " OM ~. Five *0 entitled .. 0 .. olals oftic... Three to technical clerks of Army Headquarters entitled to tree qua.rters.
(6) Allotments are made in accmdAnce rill Supplementary Rule 317. B. lV. Oftl~ QO ,.. in accollUllOdatlon wi of t.Ileu,olia.sa clo not _\AAlh a.ny olai.'P $0 similar Moomtn~ f. ta.lIIIeoeeding YNt. SUJOUB Hn.L QuABHB8. ,,2~"~T!JB HONQuiJAaLB 'iD. V. C. VELLlNGIW GOtJND&R: (II) II it. a f.:l.Ot t}l,&t certain persons who Itl'e jrWUtdto ~ Milt .uoW6IlQe and entitloo to Gov8l'l1ftlent q,u&rten in BUDUI\UN.'Hill.but to lo1Iw ~, • • e C .. a.nd ee B " have applied for c' A .. type quq,rter& ,,~, olleredto, 'pq.y for themthe''£ull'assesscd rent'calculated on a 8eiJ,s,9D&l ~~~,i,e .• ~.a~2 t, . • • •. ,: .", .".' ,~ ! ... •• (b) Is it a fact. that their offers have not been accepted and that they are peing asked tQ pay the assesse~ ~Dt'on an ~l ba.sjet i.e... &. ,"S.. in spite j:).fj;he flfoct,tpatthey would OCOJJ.PY thequa.rter& DIdy.dlUiqg the RBl_'1eaIOD , , ,(e), ,Is it. a ,fact t.bat,0Jl t:he other hand, certa.in ·membeniof ttiel!tll.ft' of'the Attached Oflicea. for ,m8ta.noe, Mr. C. N i 8eDj of theCi'rit Atviation ~' II.M severa.l European and Anglo-Indian employees of Army Headquarters hrie \leen aUowedto occu, py these" A" qu~rt.el'son pa.ymonii, of·.leas 'ront ,than Jts. !l921 If ,~o, how do Govarnment jUlti{y aucD. aMQliment 1 I '''; , . '.,' ".' THE HONOURABLE MR. D. G. MITCHELL: (a) Yes. Such offers are not in accordance with the ,rules.· (b) Yes, m. aocordan,oe ~4 ,.the ru~ which lays cloWl),that -allotments shall be made for th~ ~oiaJ yea.\, exoept in eertaip. Bpeo~8d ~"" .. (e) NQ. Th"yh~~.", ,allotted a higher ollMl8 of aooom~ ... the assessed rental of that clas8.
SO'M'MlIlB HILL QT1A1tTEBS. 226. THE HONOURABLE MR. V. C. VELLINGIRI GOUNDER: (a) Will Government b" pleased to s~te th~ ,pri.nQiples _ ..hich allotment of a higher 'type of quarters than thH.t to wllich they a.re entitled is made as ,betw~.eD ~D8 _ho wiD be oetIupying the quariere in Summer BillfGl' 'the 'ftrstt tiJM dui'ibg ,the 1Ulnm6r lI8&8ODof 1984 and· thOle who ha.e'a.Jready ~ .. m ocitl1lp&td.()ft; of . q1lal'flen for a year or ~", ' ,-",' ," :' , '," ," 'I. ' I ""' QUU""'8 ...... 08. 113 (6) Is it a fuUW _the ~ r.... 1uJ!IItIdJet .allan of 1934 or ':C8ttain ,f A II type quarters ~ haa been $hown W th088 who have ~ fat these quarters for the Brat tUne as against, th~ who ha,ve already been in occupa.tion for a year or two, and that in some cases the c~ of quartan; to which both the sets of persons B,re entitled is the same' If so. ,.,'" ,do G~rDlD.en. jUBtifY'lmeh allotment!
bE HONOURABLI¥a. D. O. MITCHELL: (/I) The attention of the Honourable Memher is invited to the rules,· a copy of whioh has been laid on the table. (6) Allotments have been made atrietly in IoCCCDI!daDQ8 wWt. Suppiemeat.y Rule 317 ·E. IV, under which officers who reside in a.ccom.mpdation at of their efus do not establiah any claim to simila.r acoommodation for the ShooeedVag yaar.
AMOUNT 01' HQUSE RlIINT A.l:J,QWUQiI PAID UNl>lIIB TlIliI NEW' RULlils. 227. TIm H~ )lB.. V. C. VELLDlGIBI GOUMDER: 1'8 it a fast dlat a eOlllllichn.ble ~ &1' the sta* -ot the Gm-ernmen'Ii of bdia iIee~ ue in l'eoe;pt of liouse rent allowance under what are ea.Jfed • .... 1'1Jlee' If 80, wttat,' is the total aDlGll!lt given thatW&Y in the different offices 1 , Tmu HoNOOB.&llWS Ma. 111. G. H.ALI..ETl' :Tla:_ are at preseIlt US persOIlII in the GoV;'~t of India. Soentariat who areinlllCeipt of a01ll8 ,~nt allowanc,e in Simla under the ~w mles~ Theal10WMCe paid to them "m 1933 amounted to Re. 1;30;008.2.0. ' .. RENTAL PAID BY CL:mmCAL STAFF OF ATTACHED OFFIOES WREN.A.LLoTTliID QU:ABTEBS IN SiKL.&.. ' • J ),.' ", 228. THE HONOURABLE Ma. V~O. VELLINGIBI OOUNDER: Ia,itafaot that persons employed in the Attached Offices of the Government of India have to pay 10 per cent. of their pay as rental when allotted quarters in Simla 1
, ·T1m~OURA.iJi.B MR. D. G: 'MITOHELL: Persol'is etn{>loyec1 iii the '.Attached OfBces pay the sta.ndaTdrent'or 10 per cent. of'their monthly emoluments, whichever is less. in accordance with mIef:6.A' i1f the F'Ilnds'Dlent&l Rules.
ALLOTMENT OF QUARTERS IN SIM!4..
229. THE HONOURABLE MR. V. C. VELLINGLRI GOUNDER: II; it a fact that several quarters, espec'iaJIyunorthodox, liave had to be allotted to Attacileci OJIices staff in past years OOcaU66 ofthe fe.ct that tmfticieftt number of Soqretariat staff have not been forthcoming to, occupy these quartM.S 1 Ifso. have Government" con~idored the possibility ill the inten-st of economy of «»mpellingthe SeOl'etariat staff ,to occupy Governinent qu8.rters, especially unorthodox ,
'llmHO'N011BABLE MR. D. G. MITCHELL: Yes. It is not oonsidered ~y to" cQmpol ol&ers to occupy Government residences when other qibJe rent.paying officers are willing to take them.
• Not priDted. '1' OOUBOU. OJ' 1'l'A'1'B •. [14m DBa. 1988'~ bmIAJT RAn.WA'I'· CoD'lllBDOB AlSOOUTlOlf. 230. THE HOlfo'UlUlJLlll MR. JAGADISH CHANDRA BANERJEE: (eI) Will Government be pleased to state the aims and objects oftha annual l88Sion of the India.n Ra.ilway Conference Associa.tion 1 (b) Do Government bea.r any expense of the annu&! 8eS8ioDB of the B&id Aseocia.tion' If so, what is the amount' (e) Since when has the annual 8888ion been held' (d) Do the Company-managed Railways make a.ny contributions towards the cost of the annua.l SOBBions of the said Associa.tion 1 If so, will Government be pleased to sta.te their quota, line by line t (e) What was the total cost of this year's 8888ion at Simla and to what extent have Government and the Company-managed Railways contributed towards it 1
THE HONOURABLE Sm GUTHRIE RUSSELL: (eI) The India.n Railway Conference ABsocia.tion is constituted to frame regulations for the manage- ment of traffic interohangedbetween the Railways represented in the Associa- tion and to advise on otl1er subjects relating to Indian Railways which may be referred to them by .Ra.ilway~ or. by the Government and the annual &e88ion is held in furtherance of these object&. (b) Government do not bear any part of the expenses of the Conference direotJ.y, but the expeDBe8 are shared among the Railways which are parties to the Association. A large proportion of these are State-owned lines. (e) The Railway Conference has been held. annually for the la.at SO ye&l'8. (d) Yea. (t.) The tOtal ooat of the seaaion at Simla in October, 1933, was approxi- mately Ra 3,465. A statement showing the allocation of the coat between the Rr.ilways is placed on the table of the House.
..,.""'" _,""",", fAe ~ 10 Stole. RoiW1ar- and O~~ RaiIIIDay_ 01 11M coft oJ 1"8 HNion oJ Ittd.iGn lloiI.tIIarI OonjltWflCe ..t~,""'diIag oM.' prt.nHfIg oJ 1M 1'"JCMd..,.. Am011Dt. Ra. a. p.
Burma . 188 9 , E....-n BeDgal 111 9 4, EMtIndiao • 680 8 , Great lzIdjan Peninsula • 248 8 4, North Wetrt.etn Railway • • 119 8 •
Total 1,897 11 S. QUUTlOJJ8 AlJD AlJ8WBBS. I BItIHf7InIt showing the allocaUon 10 S,,* RoilwlJfl. and Oomp""1l'f1WINJg6Il RcrilWGy' 0/ Ike Co.t oj 193.' .e&tion oj Indian RaiJulay Ocmjerence AuociaIion, incltUling co.. 01 . """tftg of eA6 1W«udinp-contd. Amount, Re. a. p.
Oompany·mtmGgP,d Railway•• .AsIam Bengal 101 11 0 Auam Railways and Trading Co. (the Dibru Sadiya Rail· way) 20 14, 4, Barai Light 24 14 4, Bell8al and North Western 126 9 4 Bell8al Doo&1'8 3414 4 Bengal N agpur 219 8 4 Bengal ProvUwial 10 7 2 Bhavnag8J' State 51 14 4 Bikaner Stat.e 88 6 () Bombay, Baroda and Central India 298 8 4 Bombay Port Trust 15 7 2 Calcutta Port CommilaiOD8l'B 10 7 2 Darjeeling Himalayan 10 7 2 Dholpur State .' 10 7 2 Gaekwar'a Baroda State 35 5 6- Gondal 40 14 4, Gwalior Light 20 14 4 H. E. H. the Nizam'. State 198 11 & J8IDDIlI8J' and Dwarka 66 14 4. Jodhpur 66 12 8 JUDIIfrad State 2614, 4. :Madru and Southern Mahratta 246 8 4, :IrIadraa Port Trust , 10 7 2 Meaa1'll. Macneill &; Co. (tbe Jorhat Provinoial Railway) 10 7 It Jrla.ra JrlcLeod '" Co. (the A. K., B. D. R .• etc., Light Rail· way.) 10 7 2 M..... Martin '" Co. (the Howrah·Amta, etc., Light Rail· ways) 29 14 4, Jrleaara. Ootaviua Steel'" Co. (the Dehri.Rohtu Light Rail. way) 10 7 2'. JrlO"! 38 14 4 MyllOre • 4Q 14 4, Porbandar State 10 7 2 Rohilkund and Kumaon 39 6 6- Routh Indian • 196 9 4 (Jdaipur Chittol'larh 10 7 2
Total· 2,087 11 4.
Graud Total 8,466 7 () [14TH DEO. 1988.,
&FBGtT.ABDING OF RAILWAYS FlWM MOTOB Bus' CO:M:PETlTIOlll.
231. THE HONOURABLlD MR. JAGA1lISH CHANDRA IJ.ANEBiEE: Will Govemment be pleased to state what steps they have taken to saieguard the intentllts of Ra.ilways from tho effects of the competition of motor buses ,
THE HONOURABLE SIB GUTHRIE RUSSELL: I would refer the Honourablo Member to the reply givon by Mr. BraYShay to the Honourable Raja Ragh1lll&ndan Prasad Singh's question No. 22 on the 2941hAugust. 1933. MR. Pop¥. RAILWAY RETBENOHMEN'f EUERt.. 232. Tm: HONOURABLE MR. JAGADISH CHANDRA BANERJEE: Is it a fact that Mr. Pope. the railway retrenchment expert, is eXpected to visit India. during this cold weather for the purpose of suggesting means for further retrenchment on Ra.ilwaya' If so.- on what honorarium ~
To HONOUll$.BLE SIR GUTHRIE RUSSELL: The .-ply to tbe first part of the .uestion is in the aftirma..tive. As ....tGe Jati.er part tI.e terms -of Mr. Pope'. employment are as follows : (1) Pay during absence from England at the 'rate of £2,400 a. year. (2) First class acoommodation by shmer and P. and O. special train acr088 France both on the outward and return joumey. (3) Allowance of Re. 1,000 a month while in I~dia. ;' and an aUowance of £66-13-4 per mensem while on 'board ship. (4) Cost of first class travel in India. (except when provided,free of , charge) and a daily allowanco of Rs. 10. , '
REOOJrlMENDATlONS OF THE PO:PE ENQUIRY COMMlTTEE' AND EcoNOMIES EFFECTED ON STAT]!:.MANAGBJi) ,BAU.W.A.Ys. ' 2S:L To HONOUBABLE MR. JAGADISH CHANDltA BANERJEE: Will Government be y'lea~dto state, l'"!e 'by'line, in how' iriatly dcp,a;J;tmenta of the State·ma.naged Ra1mys,economte8 have ,been effected on the recom- mendation of the Pope Enquiry Comnii~teo B:~cl in wliat forn+ ? " , ' THE HONOURABLE SIR, OUTHRIE RUSSELL' :F'or t~ Honourable Member'lII information I may explain'tha.t when MI.'. Pope:s investigation was concluded laBt March, specia.l orga.nization officers were a.ppOi~lt(~d .on all the important Railwa.ys to carry out the detailed examina.tiol,l of va.rious .ra.ilway operations recommended by him, and Railwa.y Administr&otions wero a.sked to submit bix.monthly progress repot-ts on these ac~ivities, Not aU these reports have yet been received and the Government are not yot, in a p08ition to give tho Honou1'&ble Member 1Ihe information he has, &8~M fot. ' '
CREW SYSTEM, 284. ; THill 'HONOUBdr.E MR. JAGADISH CHANDRA BANER.JEE: (tI) Will Government be pleased to state on how many Railways in India. the crew 8yitem IS' still in existence , (6) Whet{ W&8' the Cll'ew"system introduced on the Eut Indian Railway .and wby "'-'" !t.J'topped 1 .- .' i I TIll!: ~Nl&VB..ULESlB OOI'HRIE BUStELL :(.) -Tkeeftl'" .tem lS in force on the suburban sections of the ~tern Bengal R$.ilway and on tt~ ,:Bhusaval:lhrda, Bhu88val-Badnora and Ama:lrier'-Jatpon _tiona of tlie -(heat !-1'Idi8;tt Peninsula Raitway. · - (b) The crew system we.", introdueed on the East Indian Ranwa-yoa 1st Mgust,1926, 11000 !jtopp~ on 1st June, 1931.. The reasmis for its De~ a..ndoned will be found m paragraphs 35 to 41 of the Moody Ward COm- mittee's Roport, a copy of which is iI) the :r;.ibrary. .
· THE HoNOURABLE MR .•JAGADISH CHAND:RA BANERJEE: May I _. Sir. why the crew system which was introduood on the East India-u. Railway has been stopped for the present ~
THE BO)fo~LII 8m GUTHRIE RUSSELL: I have already told -the Honoura.ble Member that he will fi.nd tha.t ioformatbnin the Moody Ward RepOl1i, /I. copy of which is jn the Library.
.llBASURES ADOPTED BY RAILWAYS TO STOP TiuVELLING WITHOUT TxODTS. ~3(). lDt BoliOlIaABLJJ; lb. JAGADlSH CHANDRA :BANBBJEE: Will Government be plea~d to s~te wba,tmeasures they have adopted to stop tieketles8 traTelH-na on tile Indian RailwaYII t
TIm HONOURABLE Sm GUTHRIE RUSSELL: I am afraid I oaDUGt -enumera.te here all tla~taeaa.res adopted by Railwaya 1!0 s$op tioketless kiriVaUiui. SpmQ of ~b,e;~tl important.are oh6o~ing of.t\ckets atgaj;es and eDf'orcement of purchase of- platform tickets in tho. case of non-passengers. employmelit Of tra'V'elliDg' ticket examiners to check'tickets eft J'Ouee and of flying squads to make surprise cheeks bOth on trains and aft s&Iected sta.tioD, ap~ GfRailwa.y:·M.a.gistratea-atcertain specified .ta.twlIS to!deal with ~iq ." pa8~" lJu.rpris~ ~hecklj in ~ pl,'~D~ of :&ilway Magistra.tes, :e=~~~ ~~ I:: t~ot: exam~~8. llfovision .of, uncHmbable fenoing lot; · . I am sorry to ~y, however, that in I:!pite of these measures illicit travelling without ticketf-> is ~ti1l vorJ prevalent -arid' the !iuggestion hlJSbeen made in ~be past and agairl"orll'yroceiitly thli.t;thl'l onlY' way to stop thiS practiceia to -ma~ th~ oft'enoeef tr.v.lliJag witbhut a ticket a. cognizabl«t one~-
HAS"DIN'GE 'BRIDGE, EASTERN BENGAL R.AlLWAY. , "' , ;, ", ... , 236. THE HONOURABLE MR. JAGADISH CHANDRA BANERJEE: 10) Ba.s'thea.t1!eiition'()f Governliieiltileen drt¥W1l10 the' DeWS item published in Forward of Calcutta, of the: Srd· Ottobei',,198J'!.tAiMn: edition),; .~ega.rdiIfg the present condition of the Hardinge Bridge embankment on the Eastern BeogsA Railway .;¥ : . (b~ Is it a.la.ct that thero.have_ been wide brea.ches in the stoae emba.okment to the west of the bridge and tha.t the dept.h of the river a.t the d.a.l!8or. spot is nearly 00 feet '¥ •• • - . . (c) If so, what steps have Government taken to Bave the bridge abd the ~"~rHi. ~ :tJijl ~'Y, ~£.tJle! p.v~. P.a.dm1'-1. (d)- Has the bridge and embankment ever been visited by any e-.,.s engineer sinoo it was open to railway traffic t (e) If so, what was his opinion about th~. bridge' _ .:' ..... : . ',I ;i.: _'.\ . ~18 CJOtnI'OIL 01' STA'l'B. [14TH 1>1:0. 1933.
Tn HONOUlWlLB SIB GUTHRIE R·USSELL: «(I) and (6). Yes. (c) The Eastern Bengal Railway Administration haa been oa.rryiDg out protective measureB to prevent further da.mage to the emba.nkment and the bridge, which have been BUcoeBBfuJ. Sir Robert GaleB, who was. in chargtt of the deBigning and construction of the bridge and is now a partner in the firm of MeBBrB. Rendel, Palmer and Tritton, Consulting Engineers to tlie Government of India, has arrived in India for the purpoBe of advising on the further work that Bhould be done before next flood seMon.
. (d) and (e). The bridge and its protective works are suhjeot every year to Bpecial inspe<:tions by a Senior Government Inspector of RailwaYB and the Chief Engineer of the Eastern Bengal Railway and the former 8ubmits reports to the Railway Board after such inspections. Any proteotion works found necessary as a reBult of such inspections are carried out. Certain special works found neoossary after the 1931 flood season were referred to the Con- sulting Engineers for thc!r advice, which was received in due course and a.ctoo. on.
AU:f)IT AND ACCOUNTS DBPABTKBNT, ASSAM BENGAL RAILWA.Y. 237. THlI: HONOURABLE MR. JAGADISH CHANDRA BANERJEE: «(I) Will Government be pleased to sta.te the cadres of the Audit a.nd Aocount. Department in the ABBam Bengal Railway' (6) How many Indian officers are there in the 1Jepartment 1 (c) How many of the auditors in the Department &re qu8.Wied auditors , (d) Is it a fact that Mr. R. Roy, a Chartered Accountant, is holding the post of aBBistant auditor in the Department 1 (6) How long has Mr. Roy been working as an &BBiste.nt auditor' (/) Is it a fact that the present Chief Auditor iB going to retire very shortly t (g) What is the number and percentage of Indian officers in the Traffto· Department t (1) Is it a fact that a recent vacancy in the Tra.ftio Depa.rtmenthaB been filled by a non-Indian t If 80, what are his qualifications t (i) Were there any applications from qualified IndianB for the said" vacancy t (j) How many Indian officers in the Tra.ffio Department have British· railway training and experience !
TIm HONOURABLJI 8m GUTHRIE RUSSELL: «(I) The cadre of tbe: A1Idi.t and AOOOl1JltII Department is .. follo",,:
Chief Auditor • 1 Deputy Auditor l~ .Aailtant Audito1'8 4, (6) Four. (c) They bave aJ.l reoeived training in the Audit aDd AoOoats ~ ~~ - (d) Yell. (e) From the 4th J1lIle, 1917. QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.
(/) H~ baa already retired. (g) The number of officers in the Traffic Department js 14 of whom eil[ are Indians. (h) A post of .AlIaist&nt Traffic .Superintendent which fell vacant recent17 was filled by the promotion of an Indian. (i) In view of the reply to 'part (h) above, this question doos not arise. (j) Two.
NUJlBER OJ' BENGALIS EMPLOYED IN THE SUPElUOR AND MnuSTERIAL STAF'J' . OF THE GoVERNMENT OF INDIA AEORETARIAT, ETC. ' ' 238. THE HOJIrOUBA.BLE MR. JAGADISH CHANDRA BANERJEE: ~tI) Will Government be pleased to state the number of Bengalis in each Department of the Secretariat of the Government of India , (b) How many of them are Secretaries, Deputy Secretaries, Assistant :Secretaries, Superintendenh, Assistants and Clerks! (e) How many of them are Hindus and how many Muslims 1 Cd) What is the total number of Indians serving in the various depart- ments of the Government of India'
(e) How many of them &re- (i) Hindus. (ii) Muhammadans. (iii) Cbriati&ns. (iv) Jews. (tI) Pe.rsees, and (vi) Buddhists ,
('For reply Bee under No. 239.)
-COMMUNAL COMPOSITION OF THE SUPERIOB AND MlNISTEAJAL STAFF IN TO GoVERNMENT OF INDIA SECRETAmAT AND NUJlBEB OJ' INDJANS SERVING IN THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS WITH THEIR PRoVINCE OF ORIGIN. 239. TaB HONOUltABLE MB. JAGADISH CHANDRA BANERJEE: Will Government be pleased to state the number of Indians serving in the ·different departments of the Government of India, province by province ,
TIIlI: HONOURABLE Ma. M. G. HALLETT: With your permission, Sir, I propose to reply to questions Nos. 238 and 239 together. The information required is not readily available, and J do not think that any UAefu] purpose will be served by the collection of the statistics, as the Government of India have decided that it iR not practicable to take special measures to secure representation for provinces f'ither generally or in terms of particular com- munitie8 in services under their control which are recruited on a.n all-India ba.aia. I would, however, refer the Honourable Member to the annual state- ments sbowing the communal oomposition of the varioUB eervioes, whiob I hope will be of some uae to him. . ,00000Cn.·0I' BI'A:'1'E.;· [14T11 DEC. 1935 .
STBlDNGTH 0.11' THE INDIAN CIVIL RERVTCEA DlI!l'8B; NU_ ()I'IN'DIANS· TllEUIIiN • 240. TIn: HONOURABLE MR. JAGADISH CHANDRA BANBlWBB ,:', Cs.t Wh6t is tae total ~ber of members of the lDdiaoal Civil Serville in India and how ma.ny of them are IndiuJa ! .' {b) Howma.ay Ind.ia.n members of the Indinn Oivil Servioe a.re at presen serving in the Government of India and how many of them are Bengalis t THE HONotTRABLE MR. M. O. HALLETT: (a) The total number of lxHtia.n Civil Service officers in service on 31st December, 1932, the most recon~ date for which infol'JD.ation is eASily a'taibl.D.le, was] ,117, mclUding 368 Tndums:' (6) Nine Indian I. C. S. officers are at present serving in the Government of llittia., h'lcluditlg Oile ltember of tlheExecutive Oooaeil. NOIleof them is R :Bengali. THE HO'N()URABLE SIR KURMA VENKATA REDDI: Rir, may I ask' a '8upplernent!&ry que9tiOltMising out of the last llDIIWer 1 May I know 'from Government how many of theBe are Madra.8 Bra.lH!DinA'~ THE HONotraABL'IIl Ma. M. G. HALLETI': I am -afraid I canndt anillwer ~a.t q.es.tioD.: wit~out n~tice.
NUMBER OF INDIANS IN THE LEAGUE'OF NATIONS RECBETARIAT; . " 241. THE HONOUBABLE MR. JAGADISK C1I,ANP~.!BANERJEE: Will Government be pleased to state the number of Indians with their nAmes working in the Secretariat of the League of Natiol1s at Geneva &bid tihe sa.laries they are drawing 1 THE HONOTJRABLE MR. O. H. RPENCF.: The tdtal uumber of IndianA at present employed in a permanent or temporary capadt.,v Is' believed to be nine. A statAlment. containing the de~ired infonnll.tion with. re~renoe to the six Indians permanently employed is laid on the, tahle. No particulars are available with reference to the temporary employ~. '. ,. .
.<;laIement 6110U:i"9 eke ftGmU Q/.,IndiatIR pr.rmanentlg ~lnpio~d in the League of NationB Secretariat, and t/lr. I~Mwtl. lAibour OIil'e· and the ICliQ.riu d,uu;n b,1/ tllt~m . .Name. .salary . League oj NtMoti. SecreU1.rW. Mr. A. C. Chatterjee : 20,000 hiu Fraao .. Mr. S. N. Gh~ , 7,900 Swias France, . lIifr.;r. J; DalaI'· . 18;600 Swia i'Ian~. Mr. 8. M, DhUlllle : . 19,800 S"'iaa FfaD.CI•. Internati~;lal L~"otlr Offi~t:. Mr.~. Kuriyan . . ... , . 20,9QO Swias Fran
ANNUAL, CosT QI' DE iNTERNA.TIONAL LABO{lR 9'Ji'FJCE, NEW DELHI .. ' .... BRUicH.. . ,," ...."0 242 .. To ,HoNoUJWJLIIlfB. JAGADISH. CllANDRA BAblERJEt:. Will Govemment be pleaaed to sta.te the QQiIt oK the .().ftiqe ~. the .Inter1U\~ ~ur Bureau of Geneva.New Delhi ",olueing .the SIl]al'Ws~ith~ lllcmber. df the staff, .8Ildwheiher the _ire Q08t,.QI:· MJY port,ipn the~of ,8 b",rne obi, the Government of India. , .11.11. , •.".; QUE8TDmil,AND AJr8WlIItS.
TlJE HONOURABLB M'R. D. G. M~HEJ'JL: A(!~b>' t~e budget estW4t~o£ tlbe League of Nations the total annual CMt of the NeW DeIM Branch of the Int.ernationalLabour Office is about 1\8: 4O;(J()();' "I1u; ftm.& are whol1y provided by the International Labour Office, and no pa.rt of the- ~t is directly bome by the Govemmentof India.,
DEATH OF SAILEBH CHANDRA CHATTEBJI. DETENU IN 1811: DEoLJ DJCotBNirIO!f' JAIL.
243. THE HONOURABLE MR. JAGADISH CHANDRA BANBBJEE:' Ca) Will Govemmentlt be pleased to make a sta~ent rega.rdin,r ijIe illneu aDd, reeent death of detenu Sa.iJeBh Chandra. Chatterji at DeOii l>et~J1tioa. Camp '{ When Wall he ~oved from Bengal and why! ' (b) Is it a faot that he had not been keeping. well, since he rem~' from Bengal 1 w. (c) Will Govemment be pleued to state whether tbepa.renill and relatives oft"be deceased detenu Saile!.. h ChllDdra Cbatterji W81'e ginn any pnmous intimation regarding his illncss at t~~ detent.ion' oamp' If I,IOt, why Qot ,
,THE HONOURABLE MR. M.. G.HALLETT: (a) Tire defenu wliis removed from Bengal to DeolioJ'l the 12th September, 1938, beca.'asehe w&san. important member ,of the terrorillt '}J&rty' and' his rtittlova:} ,. ":11.8 con~dered' deBirablc in the puhlic interest.' . fI~ died in the jail hospitiJ;l on17t.h 'Ocitober~' 1933, from malignant tertian malaria. (b) I have no information to that effect. .. ,'" (c) No'. pooa~ the~e'~/J1s 'nO, reaapn' to ant.iC;pate a "fatal end: ':t~ the illness. ' ,-' '. 1, -'." I'" " ro".;, "', '. IlASANTA, KUlIJAl,t 'Roy. PE:rI;NU,.IN Tin: DEOLI ~~N~O;lll, JAIL.;, , ,U4-. 'I'm; HONOUllABLEMB. ,JAGADISH QHANDRA WANER3'EE:' will Government b~ pleased to state why detenu B~ta ~qmu, Roy of Dacca has been removed from 'Buw'Detentlon Camp to Deoln " "
THE HONOUBABLE MR. M. G. HALLETT: H~'wa.s ~~~ved to DeoIi" because he was an important member of the terrorist party and his .removal from. Bong&! WIWI considered: desirable in t~e publicnhtereilt.
RESULT OF TIlE ENQUIllY INTO THE, LEVEL CROSSING ,A(l('lJ>DT AT BUDOHI, , EAST INDIAN RA:ILWAY. 245. THE HONOURABLE MR. JAGADISH CHAN])RA BANE~: (a) Will Government be pleased to state whether thel'e waa &IlY I eDquiry by the Divisional Superintendent of the 'East Indian Railway or by any other aotbority of the sa.id Railway into the level crossing diaaate:r at ~1Jlli. near Bena.res on the East Indian Railway ! (b) If 80. what was the result.. ' , , (e) 19 there any mention in the enquiry reporl-8.8 to who 11'11.8 .respolYlible. for the disaster,-the guard or the driver (If. the bus? (d) 'Will Government be pleA~ to state whether the said, levelol'088iDg jiij woritedby baud or m~hanj-cfllJ:rr ,.. :,,: ', .. ':' " " " ·,(e) Will'~nihlentbe pieas~dtoma.lcea.' statement reg~.','tb:; situation of the railway tra.ck and the motor road tha.t!n~seQts tjhe _id level croBBing and the distance of thp, signal post that lief!'.r it fl" . ' COUNOIL 011' STATB • [14TH DEC. 1988. .
THE HONOUlLABLE SIB GUTHRIE RUSSELL: (a.) A departmental enquiry of Deputy Heads of Departments was held at Bhadohi (not Baiduni) on the 12th June; 1933. (b) The gateman and the driver of the bus w(~re prosecuted but both were aoquitted. . . (e) The finding of the departmental enquiry was tha.t the primary OQUIe of the accident was tha.t the gates at the level croS8ing~re open but that· the gatem&n could not be held entirely culpable and that there was contri· butory negligence on the part of the driver of the motor bus. (d) The level crossing ga.tes, which are coupled,·a,re worked by hand. (t.) The ra.ilway crosses the Mirzapur.Jaunpur road about 400 feet outside the up outer eignal of Bhadohi station. (I) The gates of this level croeaing comply 'with the safety regulations and no action has been taken by the Agent, East Indian Railway, since the accident, beyond issuing instructions to ensure that l(>V'el crORsing gate!! 8.1'8 cloaed and looked before the approach of trainR.
NUlIIIBBR 011' INDUNS EMPLOYBD AS CuSTOMS PREVENTIVE OJ'll'IOlDBS ANII APPBAISlDBS 'IN THB DlITEBBNT PORTS OJ' INDIA. AND BuBMA.. 246. TmI: HONOtrB.A.BLlIl MR. JAGADISH CHANDRA BANEBJEE: (a) Will Government be pleased to state the number of Indian Customs Preventive OtIioera and Appraisers in the different porte of India and Burma ! (") How:many of them are Hindus, Mualims and Christians ! (e) How many of the Customs Preventive Officers and of the Appraisers are Bengalis ! . (d) Are there any Burmese Preventive Officers and Appra.isers in any port in Burma! If so, what is their number and where are they posted at present , (6)' Ifthe answer to the first part 9f (d) is in the negative, will Government be plea.sed to state why Burmese are not appointed either as Preventive Officers or Appraieers in any port of Burma ! (f) Will Government be pleased to state the number of ADgIo.Indians and Europeans in the Customs Semoa &8 Preventive Officers and a8 Appraisers in India and Burma'
THE HONOURABLE MR. J. B. TAYLOR: (a), (6) and (/). A statement is placed on the table. (c) Eighteen Appraisers and 67 Preventive Offioers are BeDg&lia. (d) Yes. Two Appraisers,~both at Rangoon and ten Preventive Oft'ioers, three at Rangoon, one at Akyab, one at MoullJlein, two at Mergui and three at Tavoy. (e) Does not arise. '., :B.."..., MolDing Me oom--.i·~A~. and PrewMtle Offker.· 'w.ecliff"'~ oj 1~';' ~', ~. .,~ilIA. ~'. ,,',...... :;.. . , '. A ~. t.,' ,0$: -..... ' _
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TIm HONOUB..A.BLB MlI. D. G. MITCHELL: (a) Yea. Re. 1,36,400 approximately. (6) Yes. (e) and (h). I am not in poseesaion of particulars of the amounts spent by the cle1:ks under all the hea.ds mentioned by the Honourable Member aDd therefore cannot give a categorical reply. The compulsory deductions are made according to the usual rules, but the Honourable Member appears. to have included certain voluntary payments and to assume that other sums already advanced: by Government are not available for the maintenance of those receiving them. (d) Sixty-six. (e) Thirty, of whom four are holding posts in an ofticiating capacity. (/) Twenty. (g) Sixteen.
CoNDITION OJ' QU.A.B.TJDBS .A.LLO'l'TBD TO THE ST.A.J'J' OJ' TKlII CJDNTIU.L PuBLIOATION BB..A.NOH. 248. TmD HONOUlWlLB MB. JAGADISH CHANDRA BANERJEE: (a) Is it a fact that the quarters allotted to the staff of the Central Publication Branch, Government of India, were condemned by the Public Works Depart- ment as being unfit for residential purposes ! (6) If 80, why were condemned quarters allotted to the staff' QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.
(c) What is the general sanitary condition of the locality and the condition of the qua.rters ! ' . (d) How manr am.ongst the permanent sta~ have gone on leave for three days or longer penods m the course of the 1a.st SIX months t
THE HONOUlU.BLB M&. D. G. MITCHELL: (a) No. The quarters are admittedly in a bad condition but they are still useful and are in demand. (6) Does not arise. (e) The locality is healthy except during the maJa.rial season which, in Delhi, is of short duration. As regards the oondition of the quarters, I would invite the Honourable Member's attention to the reply given to part (a) above. (d) Ninety.seven. fBBSONAL PAY OBAl'TED TO THE STAFF OJ' THE DmECTOB GENERAL, POSTS AND TELORAPHS. 249. THB HONOuaABLB MB.' JAGADISH CHANDRA BANERJEE: (a) Is it a fact that the staff of the Director General, Posts and Telegraphs, . were granted. some personal pay to be absorbed in future incr~ments on transfer of the said office from Calcutta. to Delhi ! (6) If so, what are the reasons that prompted. Government to grant the .personal pay" (e) 18 it a fact that the staff of the Centra.I Publication Brallcb Sent's. ,memorial to Government for some advance increment to be absorbed in future incrementa , (d) Is it a. fact that the said memorial was lfjected , (e) Do Government propose to review the matter'
THE HONOU'lLlBLE MB. D. G. MITCHELL: «(1), (e) 'and (4).-. Yes. (6) There were no special considerations underlying tii~· :'particular con· cession. The considerations underlying all the concessions then given will 'be found on page 341of Volume V of the Proceedings of the Standing Finance Committee of the 16th January, 1926. (e) No.
PRoPOSED BBIDGE OVER THE MEGNA RJVBB, ASSAll BENGAL RAILWAY. 250. THE HONOUlU.lILE MR. JAGADISH CHANDRA BANERJEE: Will Govemment be pleased toeta.te how the project for building a. bridge over the Megna. river between Bha4'ab, and Ashuganj on the A&8a.m Bengal Railwa.y now stands' Has it be6n dropped or temporarily ,shelved 1,
THB HONOURABLE Sm GUTHRIE RUSSELL: The question of taking up the construction of tho bridge referred to is now under consideration again, and the Assam Bengal Railway Adminis~tioo have been asked to 8ubmi~ a detailed financial justification of the expenditure involved, and. have also 'been authorised to takoin ha.nd the preparation of the design of the bridge. D 2 [14m DEO. 1988.
SOlDUi_ 1'0& OO~1'aU~G'" ~w.. V !'BQ~.CJu'1'TA.GONG TO AYlUB. 251. THE HONOURABLE MR. JAGADISH CHANDRA BANERJEE: Will Gov?rnment l;x> pleased t9 state t~e ~resent position of the aoheme for constructIng. a ra.ilwo.y line from Chlttagong to Akyab!Has the work been commenced 1 If so, when is the work likely to be finished , '
TaE HONOUBABLll Sm GlJ'l'HRIE RUSSELL: The Chitta.gong-Doh&Z&ri .Branch of the A88am BengaJ Railway whioh follows the alignment whiO'h-a railway to Akyab if construott:d is likely to take wa:s opened for traffic on the 10th June, 1931. The oonstruction of the branch lme iii. question WIl.8 ,iWJ~fied on ita own merits, as providing railway communication in a very s'POPUlous traot, and it was for this reuon that it, wasta.ken upJI,nd not as the first stage of a railway to Akyab or beyond. ·The estension of the_ 'beyond Dohazari is not under consideration at present.
SIGNAL, INTERLOCKING AND TELEGRAPH DEPARTM1I:NT, ASSAM BENGAL RAILWAY. !:52. THE HONOURABLE 11K. JAGADISH CHANDRA BANERJEE: (a) Is there any separate Signal arid Interlocking Engineers' Department in : tile Ass&m Bengal' Railway , '!flO; what am'lih. ~ioDs and experience •cd' ~o EngiDeer ? . (b) Are there any Indians ~ the1>epartmeilt., If so, h.<1W Many and wh~t posts are they holding' . . .
"0 'THE HONOU'BABLlI S~ GUTHRIE RUSSELL: (a) Thel'e ,is a oombined Department for Signals, Interlocking and Telegraphs. The Signal Engineer .;baa the foUqw,i.ng qua,li,fipa.ti9D8 ..~ experience.: ., ~jiweWta4 ...... certiSiOfe~, ·the Pwyteahnic Cit.y and Guilds. Final, Mecha.nical Engineering, Division II, Associate Membenhip Exa.mination, the Ins~itution o( Eleqtrica.l Engineers. Member of the· Institution of Ra.ilwa.y Signal Engineel8, Associate Mem- ber of the ~titution of Electrical Engineen, and .Afi;iliated Member.' American Railroad Association, Signal Section. JJZjltnence.-Two. yeN'S. 8ie1beD* BrQs., Loaden, Ba.ilway Sigual De- . . . ~m~nt. 'three years, Bo~bay', ~ a,n,d Central India Ra.n~&y, as 4sais~nt ~l Engineer Wld Aoting SjgAAl Eogineer (Constnlction). Fi.ve years, !ssIr.m..neng&I.Railw~y, ¥ Signal Engineer. ., . (b) The following Indians a.re employed in the Departmen~ .~ 'PAID TO MESSBf. T'&'l'A 80S, MD., NIt O.&BltYIlfGAm MAIuJ.. , mD~ 253. TmI HONO'tl'RABL1I: -MB. ·JAGADtsH· CHANDRA BANERJEE': (a) Will Government be plea.sed to state the a.mount that is being paid as !~bsidy to '4tas fur ee.rry,i.ng atr ~ in Intlia , . (b, Do GonrnmeIlC· pay a;arj aubeidy to Imperial Airwa.ys, for ca.~ ·mails! ,If 80, wbll.t is· the a.M.ttDt , '":; ;.' (c.): 'WiUGovernment be pl~ to sta;~ .w~a.t arctite terms of the te~ yeB.r ,~ontt8;Ct -with Ta.tas for ca.rrying .·it maihi tn ltl.ai'a. t .: " '. . 'THE HONOUUBLlIl ~; D. G. MITCHELL; {a) No "subsidy" is paid toMessre. Tata. Sons; Ltd., for the air service opemted by 1lIlem;wt pa.yment is made a.ccording to the weights of mails and distances oV6rwhiCh they 'are. oarried, aocordipg to an.e.g~ schedule of charge!!. (b) No. (c) 'Th~ sendee is a weekly one in both directions with' stoppages at Ahmedabad, Bomb8.y, and Bellary. Allair m&illetters,postca.rd8 a.nd packeti paid with air surcharge for a.nd from pla.ces served by thitl air line are given 110 the Company tocii.rry exceptthase :inla.nd air ma.ilarticles which would suffer delay in rea.ching their destination on.&t!oount ef the service being.ft! weeklyon.e. The Company is pa.id conveyllinoo cb&rgel!1 intbe 'Illanner wbloh I ha.ve described under' part (a). .: AMOUNT OF SAVING EFFECTED BY THE ABOLITION OF THE 4.<\PPOXNTMENT 01' DEPUTY PosT¥ASi!im GENElUL,. EASTERN BENGAL AND ASSAM RANGE. . . 254. TBlil HONOtrBA.BLE MR. JAGADISH CHANfrRA BANERJEE: Will Government be pleased to state wheth,·r there has been any saving ot money by R bolish ing the office of the Deputy Poet Master·General, Eastern Bengal and Assam Range? If 80, how much! .. , . THE HONOUBABLE MR. D. G. MITCHELL: The Honourable Member's attention is invited to the reply given in this House on the :2300 September. 1932, to part (3) of his own question No. 86. CONSUMPTION OF CoTTON PIECEGOODS IN INDIA AND THE TBXTILE AGUB- MENT BETWEEN THE DOMBAY MILLOWNERS AND LANCASHIRE. 255. THE HONOURABLE MR. JAGADISH CHANDRA BANERJEE: (a) Will Government be ploosed to sta.te the total quantity 'of consumption _ of cotton piecegoods in India. annually' What were the respective quotas of India, Japan an4 Lancat!hire in the year 'ending 1931-32' . (b) Will Government be pleased to make a statement regarding tho t6~tUe Agreement between Lancashire and I~dia: 1 . . (e) What are the terms of the Agreement and when is the Agreement coming into force 1 (d) Has Lancashire a.greed to take a definite qua.J1tity of Indian cott9D' (e) Will Government be pleased to state whether the AgreE'ment. cootaina provisiomdesigned to protect the interests of the Indian ootton-growers t (6) Will Government be pleased to state the nature and the amounts of the loana raised in Eugland and India, separately and item by item, up to 3lat January, 1931 , . (c) Will Government be pleased to state how muoh of the Publio Debt ha.s up to now heen repaid and in what manner! (d) Will Government be ploased to state how much WaR paid to the East India Company by way of principal and interest between 1874 and 1933 , THE HONOURABLE MR. J. B. TAYLOR: (a) The attention of the Honourable Member iii invited to the Monthly Return of Rupee Debt, which ill published in the Gazette of India, and to Aooount No. 82 of the Finance and Revenue Accounts. The objects for which the Government of India have borrowed money from time to time are explained in the annual Budget Statements. (6) and (c). The compilation of the information asked for would involvO an amount of work which would be incommensurate with the value of the results se~ured. (el) The whole of the debt to the stock-holders of the East India Compa.ny was paid off in 1874, so that nothing either by way of priocipal or interest has been paid to them since. If the Honourable Member wishes further information on the financial adjustment with the East India Company he will find them briefly summarised in paragraph 118 of the Welby Commission Report. RlIITBENcmoNT IN TlIB POSTS AND TELEGBAl'HS DEPARTMENT SINCE 1ST APRIL, 1933. 257. THE HONOUB.ABLE MR. JAGADISH CHANDRA BANERJEE: (a) Will Government be pleased to state whether there has been any retrench- ment up to now in the Posts and Telegraphs Department since the beginning of . the financial year in April last! If 80, will Government be pleased to state the number of hands so far retrenched, province by province, and how many of them were Europeans, Anglo-Indians, Indian Christians, Hindus, Muslims and Buddhists , (6) Har. there been any retrenchment of Superintendents and of Inspectors of· Post Offices ~ If so, how ma.ny and in what provinces! (c) Will Government be pleased to state the approximate total saving so far effected by retrenchment in the P08ts and Telegrapbs Department' .. (el) Will Government be pleased to state why tl e Do< ea Ct'ntral Tele- graph Office has been converted into a second class office ! THE HONOUB.ABLE MR.· D. G. MITCHELL: (a) The reply to the first 'part is in the a.ffirmative. As for the last part, 1,525 officials have been :retrenched in the various postal circles a.nd a detailed statement is laid 011 the table. . (6) The reply is in the a.ffirmative. A statement giving the detailed . information is laid on the table. (c) Government regret tha.t up-to-date figures are not readily available, but retrenchments carried out up to the 31st. March, 1933, are expected to result in an annual approximate saving of about RB. 80,00,000. : (d) The change was made over 20 years a.go when telegraphoffioes used to be classified with reference to t,heir workiDg hours. . QUESTIONS .um ANIW·BaS. 8TATl!lIIENT .. A." , I Indian :Othel' I ~ Chri8. OCIIIUIIII· Total. - Anglo. peaua. I1DcliaDa. tian•• i-r-I~ Diti.. Bengal Ii and 259 62 I 322 .ABeam. 1 I .. Bihar and 2 1 12 11 , 66 OrisBa. . Bombay .10 191 30 .. a " 51 236 Burma. 8 1 .e 4 If .. 67 CeotraiCiroJe ,. 4 . , 4.8 141 .. 2 68 Kadr811 . ,. 3 8 63 .. .. 77 Punjab and S 21 1 110 .. 8 242 North·West ,~ I ; . Frontier. Bind and Balu· 1 .. 10 7\ 1 19 obistan. UDited Pro. 1 10 1 ! 813 981 .. 428 vinoea. i , I I I I Total 15 1,096 826 i 60 'I I ~Grand ~ I .. ITotal. , I I I i 1,525. STATEMENT .. B." ------~------~------Superintendent. Iupe ~engal and A-.m pirol. ,8 3 Bihar and Oriaa 'Cirole ; 2 8 Bombay Circle 7 NtI. Burma Circle B Nil. c.tral Circle ,. ., 2 Ii Madr811 6 , ~jab and North-W8IIt Fl'Olltlsr Cirol~ . , 13 Sind and BaluohiBtan Circle _1 Nil. lhdted ProvinoeiB Circle B 1 . ' NoIe.-Th. figuree 1'8I&te to retrenohmeDt aipoe the beginniDg of t.he ~__ campaign,' . : [14TH DBC. 1988. DISSOLUTION OF THE CENTRAL LlildISt.A.Tt:1UAND THE HOLDING OJ' ELEOTIONS . _...... UNDD ..THE Nl!:W.CQN5mv'l'ION. , ... , .. , ... _... . 258. 'fiJB HONOURABLE MR. JAGADlSJI CHANDRA BANERJEE: Will GoVernJD8t1t be'p1eaaed'io state whether the Central Legislature will be dissolved by the latter part of 1934 t If 80, willGo~rnm.ent be pleased to state whether the next election will be held under the new constitution t If not~ ·when -Willihedentra,11.egislature· be dissolved t .. THE HONOtmABLE KHAN BAHADUR Mti.N Sm FAZL.I~HUSAIN: In the absence .of resort by His Excellimcy the Governor General to either of th& alter,na.tive pOW61'S conferred upon him by cla.uses (a) and (b) of the proviso to section 63D of tbe Government of India. Act, the . existing Legislative Assembly would ~ire on the 14th JanuM'Y, 1934, while the existing CoUDQil of State would remain in being till the 10th February, 1936. In respect of tho Assembly, His Excellency'S intentions have been announced in the MeB8&ge to that Cha.mber which the Honourable Member will find reproduced in .th •.. report of the procOOdings for the 6th Maroh, 1933. In respect of the Council of State, Government do DOt a.ntioipate that occasion will arise for Ria· Excellency to consider dissolution in 1934. I am not in a position to give &ny further information with reference to the concluding portions of the question. . DETEN'US IN mE DEOLI DET.1IlNTION .JAlL. 259. THE HONOURABLE MR. JAGADISH CHANDRA BANERJEE: (a) Will Government be pleased to state the . total number· of Beilgali deteDus in the Deoli Detention Ctwnp with their names Nld the districts tQ which they belong 1 . TIl. HONOUJU.BLE MR. M. G. HALLETI': (a) There are atpreaent 388 detenus in the Deoli Detention Ja.il. It would not be in the public interest to give their DameS. . '" (b) No. When &88istance is ·applied for it, is secuied through 10C&l 0-'''' tractors. (~) Three. (ti) No, because it is unnecessarY. &gular visits are paid to each camp by the medical staff. (e) There is a J,Vell equipped hospital for the medical treatment of detenUAI under a retired civil surgeon with a. staff of one asSistant surgeon, three sub~ ~t surg~ a,;,d ,,?ven compounders. The .Chief Med1ca1 Ofticer· In :Ra.jpllt6tiA la .1IJs '260. THE HONOURABLE RAI BAHADUR LAI..A. MATHUR"\" PRASAD: MEHROTRA : (a) Will Government be pleased to state whether the Bombay' ~vernment refuRed of its own a.ccprd to release Mr, Va.lIabbhai Pa.tel for performing funeral 'rites of hiR brother' .. .., . . .' (b) Were the Government·()fIndia OQIIIUlted i~ the matter' (e) If the aDllwer to (b) is in the aifirmative, what ".,.. ,the advice giVI1D. by the Government of India! hE HoNO~ MB. M~ G. IiALLETI' i . (a), (b) and .(~). I would refer the Honoura.ble Membar to the press communique isauedby t~e -Director of Information, Bombay, on the 10th November, 1933, from which he will Obsei've tha.t Mr. Val1abbha.i Patel I'efused the conditional release offered-him by the BOlI,lbay Government for the purpose' of a.ttending his brotheris funeraL.- Tho Government of India were informed of the a.ction tha.t the Local Govern: ment proposed to take and concurled. . REFUSAL OJ' THE BOMBAY GoVERNMENT TO AI,LOW THE GREl!rI.A.TION OF THB BODY OJ' MIt. VI'l'IULBHAI PATBL AT CnoWPATTI. 261. THE HONOUB.A.BLJ: RAI BA.HADUR L.u..A. MATBURA PRASAD. imBROTRA: (a) Was the Bombay Government's refueaJ to a.JJow the cremation of the body of Mr. Vithalbhai Patel at Chowpatti effected in consultation with the Government of India.' . (b) If the answer to (a) is in the a.ffirmative, will Government state· the reasons for their attitude ! THE HONOURABLE MR. M. G. HALLETI': (fJ) No. (b) Does not arise. AOBEEMENT JlNTEBBD INTO BETWEEN THE L..uiCA.8HIBE DBLEGA.TION AND THE BoMBA.Y Mu.LoWN.EBS. 262. THE HONOUBA.BLlD RAI BARADUB L.u..A. MATHURA PRASAD MEHROTRA: (a) Has the attention of Government been drawn to the opposition. to the so.called. pact ma.de by ~ fe,,!, cotton mill owners of Bombay WIth the representatIves of the La.ncashll'e mUlowners 1 (b) Was the paot ;made with the consultation of or at the iIUItance of Government' (e) If the answer to (b) is in the negative. will Government l;e pleased to IJ1M,ke & statement of its Jl To HONOtTlWlLB MR. T. A. STEWART: The Honourable Member is I think correct. Tht. Agreement was between the Millowners' Assooia.tion, Bombay and the La.ncashire Delegation. The Millowners' Auociation, Bombay, has amongst ita membership very many upcountry mills. THE HONOURABLE R.u BAlLU>UB L.u.A. MATHURA PRASAD MEHROTRA: May I know if all the millowners were consulted or only the Bombay Millowneftl' Aasocia.tion 1 . . THE HONOURABLB MR. T. A. STEWART: I must refer the Honourable Member to the Association in question. The Government of India. W80B nO party to ttle Agreement a.nd h .. no information 80B regards the details of the negotiation. THE HONOURABLB RAl BAlLU>UR L.u.A. MATHURA PRASAD MEHROTRA: Will the Government give an opportunity to other mill· owners of India before accepting the Agreement made by the Bombay Mill. owners' Association 1 THB HONOURABLE THE PRESIDENT: The Honourable Member need not answer that question. STDLING LoAN. 263. THE HONOURABLB MR. JAGADISH CHANDRA BANERJEE: Will Government be plea.sed to make a. statement rega.rding the policy tha.t prompted them to raise the new Starling Loa.n of £10 millions bearing interest at the rate of 3l per cent. per annum, informa.tion wbereof was givt·n in the press communique of the Controller of Currency issued from New Delhi on the 7th November, 1933 t THB HONOUB,.UILB MR. J. B. TAYLOR: The loan was raised with a view to replace the outstanding balance of £10 million 6 per cent. st(lrling bonds, 1933·34, and to improve our sterling resources generally at a time when the monetary conditions in London were highly favourable. ATTlIINDANOE OJ' AND PARTICIPATION IN THE DELIBBB.ATIONS 01' 'l'BB INDLUl TR.u>E UNION CoNGB.B88 BY RAILWAY EIlPLOYEES. 264. THE HONOURABLlII Ma. JAGADISH CHANDRA BANERJEE! Will Government be pleased to state whether the railway employees are allowed to attend and partioipate in the deliberations of the Indian Trade Union Congress ¥ If not. why not 1 To HONotJB6.BLlII SIB GUTHRIE l.\USSELL: I would refer thQ Honourable Member to rule 23 of the Government Servants' Conduot Ru1ea" which applies tOl'ailway employees who are Government servants. QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. NtlllBBB OJ' RAILWAY EKPLoDBS Assoou.TIOllfS UOOOl!lI8ED BY GOVBlUUlIUrr. 265. THE HON017UBLE MR. JAGAD1SH CHANDRA BANERJEE: ~ow many Railway Employees' ARsociatiOIl8 have been recognised by Government and the authorities of the Railways and where are they located , THB HONO~ Sm GUTHRIE RUSSELL: The Honourable Member- is referred to the information laid on the tabJe by Mr. P. R. Rau, on the 31st August, 1933, in the Legislative .A.isembly, in reply to part (c) of starred question No. 1219 asked by Mr. B. N. Misra. on the 12th April, 1933. CoIlllUlfIOATIONS UOBIVED J'ROM: RAILWAY EJII'LOYIIBS' AssOCIATIONS ON TO S1TBJEOT OJ' RETRBNOHMENT. 266. THE HON017BABLB Ma. JAGADISH CHANDRA BANERJEE: Have Government received any applications from any of the Railway Employees' Assooiations protesting against the present policy of retrenchment' Ifso, from which Associations and from which departments of the Railways' THE HONOTJ.BA.BLE Sm GUTHRIE RUSSELL: I lay on the table a statement giving particulars of communications received by the Railway Board from Railway Employees' A8IIOOiations in the matter in so far as is readily available from records in the office of the Railway Boal'd. Statement IIhOtl'ing the derfIIiLI 01 commtmillGt'io718 received Irom Railtl'al1 Em'Plo1Jf'~II' AlIIIOCiatw718 on the lI'ubjec' 01 Retrenchment. From whom received. Nature of communication received. Great Indian Penill8Ula Railwav Staff Telegram, dated the 27th February, ]931, Union, Bombay. . protesting against the retrenchment of Indian ticket coUeotors on the Great Indian PeniMula Railway. Great·lndian Peninsula Railway Staff Letter, dated the 28th February, 1931, on the Union, Bombay. subject referred to in its telegram of 27th Febrnary referred to above. National Union of Ra.ilwaymen or Telegram, dated the 2nd March, 1931, prott'l8ting India and Burma. ·against the retrenchment of subordinate staff tJn the Great Indian Peninsula Railway. National Union of Ra.ilwaymen of Letter, dated the 3rd March, 1931. on the subjeot India and Burma. referred to in its telegram of 2nd March, 1931. Bombay, Baroda and Central India Let.ter of the 3th Maroh, 1931, protesting against Ranway Employees' Union. - retrenchment on all Railways. Great Indian Peninsula Rai1wa.y Stat!' Telegram of the 10th March, 1931, protesting U Dion, Poona. against the Comm.erilial Division, Poona, Great Indian Peninsula Railway. All-India Railwaymen's Federation Telegram, dated the 17th March, 1931, uking for eu.speD.llion of all retrenchment of sta1f. North western Railway Union Letter, dated the 19th March, 1931, protesting against retrenchment, with partioular reference to methods employed in retrenohment. North Western Ra.ilway Union Letter, dated the 19th March, 1931, prot_ins against ret·renchment on all Railways. Bengal and North.We8te1"n Railway- Letter, dated the 94th MarCh, 1931, protesting men'. Aaaooiation.· againat retrenohment on the Bqal and Nortb-Weetem Railway._ '" oaUNC'it. 0., n'Ari. [14m DBc. 1988. Slaf.",ertt iM d.fm"Z. 01 .cOtfafil"MctJ~' "~ed JHfII B~dwag 'F.~·· .L.,., ANOCiaHonI 011 lA, fflfi/fJtJf 61 Retre.c~COlltd. &-om.~bom reoei'VeQ. Nature of communication reoeivecL . National UDU>D .of l\t.ilwa)'J;DeD of . Letter,dated the 25t;h Marab, 1931, pi-ot~iDar India and B~. f/ogainst .. the general methods of retrenobn:ien~ on Railways' with pal'ticular reFerence,'tc) \ retrenchment on the Great Indian Peninsula Railway. NatiOllal Unien of .:Itailwaym&ll 'of Letter,dated tbe 2lith Karch, 19a1, oil. the IJ:).dia and Burm&. ' ' subject reterred to in. ita letter of the u.me date . referred to. . . . . EaSt Indian Rail~ayUnion Telegram, da¥ the t'7th M9:!o~1 1931"prot'eit~ . 8gainst l'EI~renchment on: ..KIii.lways. ' , " National Union of Railwaymen of Telegram, dated the 27th March,1931, protesting India and Bunna. against retrenchment on ·Railways. National Union of R&l1riymila of Letter; 'dated the 27th March, 1931, proteeti:Dg\ India and Burma. egaiDst ratrenob.mept on Railway",. ~ll-India Railwaymen's Federation Letter, dated the 28th March, 1931, criticising the. policy of ~bment ~n Rattwaytl and asking the Rajlw..,. Board to meet them to, . dUCu8a the aubject at 'a apecial meeting. , ADglo.lncBan 'and. Domiciled EUropean Letter, aatea the 10th March, 1931, proteetbi; Aaaoeiation. '. . against the ret.reoObm8lit. with pertiouJato . reference to retrenohment of Anglo-Indian atai'f on the Great Indian Peninsula Railway. Sikh Association, Rawalpindi. , Letter, dated the 7th April, 1931, asking {or the protection of Sikh employees employed in the ·Accounts Bnmcb Of the North WestafD' Railway in oonnect.ion with th. retrencluMpt. Anglo.In~an!1»~UedE~ Letter•. dated the 24th April, 1931, pr~~, ASSOCIatIOn. agamst the retrenchment of An~lo.tndlai1 emp'loyees of the Great Indian Peninsum ~ay. , Anglo.Indian and Domioiled European Telegram, dated the 30th April, 1931, protesting Association. 'against. t.he retrenchment of Anglo-IndWmA on. Railways. All-India Railwaymen's Federation Letter, dated the 28th June, 19:11, forwarding" copy of Resolutioll8 ~ by the Federation protesting retrenchment of staff on all Rail. ways. Eaat Indian Railway Union, Dinapm*e iLfIttett, dated the In November; 1931, prot.eatill,. against general retrenohment on Railway•. Bombay, Baroda and CeotraI India Lettlll' of 11th January, 1932, protASting against Railway Employees' Union. the policy ofretrenchment on Railways. South II¥iian RaU-y Central lAbour Letter, dated thtl 21st February, 1933, protflllt.- Union. iDg againat retrenchment on Railwaya. Kanchrapara Rail_y Work_'Union. Letter, dated the 15th May, 1933, protesting against retrenchment ill the Eailtl'll'D Bengal Railway Workshops. Sikh Guradwara Mao., Coimnittee Letter, datE'd the 14th April, 1933, praying for the CWlcenaU.OD of rKnmchment in the Beinpl Nagpur Railway Workshops. Khargpur. Bengal N&@purRailway 1Dciia=l Labour Letter, dataidthe Srd. Kay, 1938, proteatizlc Union.apinst retrenchmeat in the Benpl NlIo8Pur Bailway Worklhops, Khargpur. ., Madraa and Sc'mthorD MaIuatta Rail· Latter, dated the 7th May, .1932, protesting way EmplOYeflll' Union. , against retrenchment on all Railways. NUJrl2lnoJ' OASES A.$SjlI!SED uifDn SllCTION 23 (4) OJ' THB INDIAN INCOME. Ta ACT ~ $ DACCA Dis1i1.Im. - 267. TIm BOIro11tiBt.B :MR. JAOADISH CHANDRA BANERJEE: ""ill Gov:ebun,ent be ple8.lledto it&t(;' the 'number of O&fIeB 8.sBeased U:bdei' I8Ctioll23 <4~ of the Lldian InCQme·tax Act. in tee district Ilf Daoca in ~ year -1932·33 a.nd the total mIIBber m petitions filed under. ~·,2'i dming the B&lDe year and, the total DlltJ1bet of cases reopened , r·, '.' t . TJDD i£o~ovlltU~·1Q, .J. B. '.J'AY.LOR: ThenuD)ber of caees M86888d : ~.s.eptJpii~· {~. of :~~ lAdia.ti Income·tax Aot irit8.e' pac,,- di!str.ict in : 193,2..33 was 227.. ',):he. tOt..t numoor of petiii9ns fU,ed lUl'ler. ~tion 2.7 durWg that year was 104 and the total ~u1llber of cas8/! reopenqd 31. Nt.~1\ . OJ!' SALT WORXS IN INDIA. 268. THE HONOURABLE MR. JAGADISH CHANDRA BANER-JEE: (a) Will Government be pleased to state the number of sa.lt manuf!I.Cturing wQrp in India f . . (b} How many of them are being conducted by~~ and how many by .privl!o1ie ooncerns , '(e) How many sa.lt manufacturing works are thore in Aden 1 Cd) Are all of them run by Indian~ 1. . (.) If J)Ot, how many of them. are purely Indian concerns ,.Bd.b~ many of theln are-Europea_n OOllce~ 1 (f) lB &here any Italian concern manufactur.ing salt in Aden for India's consumption·t- (g) What i~ the quantity of salt manufactured in Aden t Tn HONOURABLE MR. J. B. TAYLOR: (a) and (b). AccOrdirig to the latest information available, there are 676 salt works in India; of which 18 are conducted by Government and 658· by private individuals 01' ooacerns. (t.) Five. (d) and (e). Three are Indian concerns and one is a European (Italian) concern. The fifth, namely, the Arab Salt Works, is also presumably Indian (but not main1and lndian). .. . (f) Yes, there is one. (g) The quantities manufa.ctured by the four principal works in the eight years 1924-1001 are given below. The figure of output of the Arab Salt Works, which is smaU, is not on record. • Quanti.t Yev. produoe:l. TOOl. 1924. 1~73.196 11126 . ,.. .. : 1,82,31' 1926 . 1,88,269 11127 1.7~.63t 1928 Uo,613 192.9 2.38,536 1_930 2.06.71" IO:U 2,83."19 ·QUANTITY 01' SALT'Il\IPORTED FROM EmwPIlAN 00t1N'1'Bm8. ~ Tl,IE HONOUBABu: MR .. JAGADISH CHAND~ BANERJEE: ~a) Will GDvernjnen~ be p~~ to s~te ~e q~ant,ity of European salt imported Into l~d~ ~p tdl the month of November since J'anua.~, 19331 . (6} ~t is the'totai quantity' of s&1t nia.nuf&ctured. in' India by Govern- ment .-&Od fu.wJiich Salt works' was this quantity manu£a.otured t . (c}W'1lf'Gav-emifiiHi1i~llhsed to atafllt the l'eRpeoUve quantitiell m&DU- faoturedby C8.ch salt works in Irllii~ , [14m DBC. 1988. To HONOUltAllLB lIB. J. B. TAYLOR: (G) The total quantity of B< , imported, into 13ritir,h India from European' countries during the period. 1st January to 30th September, 1933. was 10,87,543 malinda. The figures for October and 'November are not yet available. (b) a.nd Qc). A statement is laid on the ta.ble cove~ the 8ame period. It is not p<$ible to furnish information in the detail required. sinoe there are about 700 factories. Quantit,y of salt manufactured duriDg Name of at works or area of manufaollare, the period 1st January to 30th September, 1933. Maunda. Norelcm IndiG SOU Rewnue Depllrll'MnI- s-lIluJr 70,14,828 Pachbadra 5,92,17! BidwI:tftG 1,~886 Total Rajputana 78,01,884 20,.26,767 4,D8,900 .' 2,63,00&0 Total Salt Ra.Dge 27,88,707 JatkI . 2,43,080 BahculUf' Khd 1,00,639 Karak 20,594 TotalKobat 3,64,213 Mandl. 70,330 Sultanpur Salt Works 1l,708 Internal Branoh . 87,951 Total Northern rndia .I,IJ,24,793 Mculr_ Ganjalll 7,84,134 Naupada 16,06,823 PenugudurU 12,27,850 CbiDD8g&njam 10,51,450 Kriahnapatam 16,75,519 ,McrdnN lJefKJ' . - 3,65.659 ,- 14,78,46,6 Cbeyur " " Tranquebai , 3,55,179 AdiraJDpa.t !l8!lD '- 6,28,740 Vattanam , l,2~,148 Tuticorin 2'7,37,914 To.Uladn_ • 1,20,31,941 ~. ' QuEtiTrOlffl', AND 'AN'S"'ERS. ;".7 Qaan.ity ()f ..uli manufat.tured during libe period 'Natne 01 .'t works or area of ma.nuCaoture: lsli January to lM)th Sept.,mber, , 1933. Bt:JmbGfj- Maunds. KJiaf'GgotM 30,33,800 Dhar_ ',00,913 Maroli 19,712 Bassein 11,9',391 Rai ll,23,6a0 Trombay 6,81,613 Bbandup ',03,319 Dadar. . 11,7',832 Belapur . 7,30,981 Shewa 12,24,,1'0 Uran . 7,30,127 Karanja 3,64,957 PeD 2,30,838 Shiroda 26,865 I3aDlkatta 78,687 Tot&l Bombay • 1,08,as.8~ 8ifld- Government Salt Works 4,376 Grax Salt Worb . 5,14,876 Star Salt Manufacturing Works 60,678 Laxmi Balt Works 2,36,896 NUIJIJ8.rw&njee Salt Worka 1,35,8" Gulbai Salt Works 1,08,096 Darwari Salt Df!.posit 26,202 Eduljee Dinshaw Salt Works • 56,'68 Total BiDd 11,4.3,436 B_ Akyab District 2,8'5 Kyaukpyu District . 37,622 Sandoway District Hanthawaddy District 3,8611 Buaein 79,336 Myaungmya Thaton 6,499 .!\.lIlherst 6,96,001 :Tavoy '8,697 Mergui 17,677 Total BUl"ID& 8,92,1148 G1U.ND TOTAL • 3,60,33,542 NtM 1.-Fifarea for the months ot Ot.-tober ad November, 1988, are not yet av_ble. NoH t..,...;.Quuitit.ies IIhown apinst itema itaJici&ed were mamiraotuncl ,h700lWD mant. t!OONCJI,' 01" I'l'Aft., [14oTH Dac. 1988. IIIrolttS 0 .. PORT SAlD, ETC., SALT INTO TKJD CALCUTTA. MARKET. '270. Tn HONOUBA.BLII Ma. J AGADISH, CHANDR4. BANERJEE: (tI) Are GoverQlllent aware that four large salt works, at Port Said, Ma.880Wah, Ra.s Hafun and Assab are trying to dump their products in the Calcutta market, the two latter with the help of their Government' (6) If the Answer is In the aftir'm.ative, what steps Cio GOvetnnlent propose to ta~e to prevent the threatened dumping , ' Tmt: HONOURABLE MR. J. B. TAYLOR: (a) No. 'On the oontrary there bve heen no imports of' Port Said, Ma.ssowah or A8B&b BaIt into Caloutta in the ,first nine months of the calendar year 1933, while imports from Ra.s HafuD have diminished ccmsidera bly, the quantity imported in the nine months January. to September, 1933, being only three lakhs of maunds oompared with -.early 13,! la1ms of ma..unds, imported in the corresponding period of 1931. ' (", Does not arise. ' ANNUAL CONSUMPTION 01' 'KHE'WRA 'SALT IN 'THE CALCUTTA, MARKET. nl. THE HONOUBABLEMR" JAGADlSHCHANDRA BANERJEE: (a) Will Qavernment be plAAaed to Rtate the quantity of consumption of Khewra and ~~badra'salt in theea.lcutta market' (b) Have Gover,nme~t gi~en a,ny li~ence to a.Jly Beqgali,conce~ Or con· cerns't9 ma.nuracture s&1t in Bengal! If so, who are ,1;,\l~, t ~ their prod~ctB,avai~ble ih th~ Cal~tta:mar~et!: ' ,,' ' To H~NOURABLE lb. J. B. TAYLO!t: (a) The n~rn;Jaol annual con· sumption of Khewia BaIt in' the Calcutta ma.rket, .. i.e., &tJ,gal &.lld A88a.m zone, is 10,000' mauuM. ' No Bait is in1ported into thls mark;et 'from Pach· badra. " ,,', .. (ij Yee. ,The following Bengali concerns have been granted temporarJ' permitB fur ~e 'manUfaclntre 'of Bait on an experimental basis : (1) The Bengal Salt Manufacturers' Association. '-2) The National Salt Manufacturing Co., Ltd. (3) The "PreDliel' Salt Manufacturing Co.,' Ltd. , " (.~ Babt), Binoy Krishna. Blmerjee. (5) Babus R. C. Dutt a.nd S. P. Guha.. The J'nmier Salt Manufacturing Company alone has actually JD&DUfa.ctured salt and, filaeir outturn is available in the Calcutta market, a part of it, having been II~ ,already. , PBESEN.T PI)SITION OF THE SALT INDUSTRY. " QOBSft01f. .urD 'lfIWBB8. (6) U. t.he &It (Additiooal Import~) Act, '1933, given any impetus to *e Indian aalt industry' If 10, will Governmeu.t be plMsed to give some facts and figures about this t (c) W1fat is ~e effe,ct ('J£ the ~t (Additional Import Duty) Act, 1933, on thelAdian salt UldU8~ 1 ' , Tm!: HONOUlUBLE MR. J. B. TAYLO~: (a), (b) and (c). I would re&r the Honourable Member to the report by the Central Board of Revenue on the working of the Salt (Additional Import Duty) Act during the period 1st January, 1933 to 30th September, 1933, a copy of which has been pIaoe DELAY IN THE DELIVBBY OF THE CALCUTTA M.uLs AT DACCA. 273. THB HONOURA.BLB KB. J,AGADISH CHANDRA BANERJEE: (a) Will Government be pleased to state why the dale from Calcutta Was not delivered at Daoca on the afternoon ofthe 16th November, 1933 , (b) Was the India General Steam Navigation Company's steamer carry- ing mails from Calcutta late in reaching Narayanganj 1 If &0, by how many hours and why 1 (e) Is it a fact that the steamer carrying the Calcutta mail generally .reaches Narayanganj at 1 P.M. Dond that the Calcutta dak is delivered at Dacca by about 4: or 4-30 P.M. , (d) Is it a fact that the steamer carrying mails from Calcutta reached Narayanganj at 2-30 P.M, on the 15th November, 1933 1 H so, will Govern- ment be pleased to state why arrangements could not be made either by the poatal authorities or the railway authorities for the despatoh of the mail bags from Narayanganj station to Dacca even within a oouple of hours of their arrival at Narayanganj 1 (e) Who was or were responsible for the delay and non-delivery of the Calcutta mail at Dacca on'the 15th November, 1933 , (I) Is it a fact that the arrival a.t Narayanganj of the British soldiers who are to be billetted a.t Dacca, was mainly responsible for the delay and non- delivery of the Caloutta mail at Dacca on the 15th November, 1933 t (g) When did Uie Caloutta mail ~ch Daooaon 15th November. 1933 , (h) If the I~dia. General Steam Nav~tion. Company's stcamer. ca~ the GIolcutta mail was found to be late 10 arrival at NarayanganJ on tlie 15tb Nonmber, 1938, for no fault of Goveniment, will Government be pJea.88d to state whether they will impose any pe~lty on the Company fOt" causing nob inoonvenience to the pubUe , , THE HONOURABLB MR. D. G. MITCHELL: (a)' The Caloutta mails reached the Dacca Post Office on the 15th November. 1933, at 17-30 hours ,!,hen it was too la.te to ,~e them for delivery.. J, may mention t4&~ r am giVing "tan~ tUpe Ulro~hout this answer.' " (b) n.e ,~~ ~ the CalcuDa Diaifreacbed Narayangarij at la..;o jutea.r;l,Qf'J2..QO .id'-Y. The e~taai1s8 of cieJay is: not imo1rn' but unusually heavy militarytQ.ftio aeeUlS't.o hatve, 'at'Je&at,eoJdiribUted to:it. ',. ~ [14TH DEC. 1988. (e) The scheduled time of arrival of the steamer at Narayanga.nj is 12.{)(» (mid-day), and the mail is usually delivered at Daooa. at about 16 hours in the afternoon. (d) No; the steamer arrived at Na.ra.yanganj at 13-20. The Calcutta. mails connected as uaua.! with Eastem Bengal Railway No.7-Up Train by which they are conveyed to Dacca, but the train was late in starting; the question of making any specialarra.ngement for the ·conveyance of mails. from Na.ra.yanganj to Dacea did not arise. . (e) The delay and non-delivery of the Calcutta mails at Daoca on th~ 15th Novembet were caused by tlia late arrival of Eutem Bengal Ranway No.7-Up Train at Dacea. (f) I have explained the delay in reply to parts (b) and (e). (g) The Calcutta mail reached the Dacca Railway Station at 16-55 hOlirs .and the Dacca Head··Post Office at 17-30 hours. (h) The question whether the Company is liable to pay any penalty in this case is under reference to the Postmaster-General, Bengal and .Assa.m. TEB.Ms OF THE CONTRA.CT BETWEEN GoVERNMENT AND THE INDIA. GENERAL STEAM NAVIGATION COMPANY FOR THE OARRYING OF THE CALOUTTA M.uLs DOl( GoALUNDO TO NABAYANGANJ. 274. THE HONOUBABLE MR. JAGADISH CHANDRA BANERJEE: (a) Will Government be pleased to state the terms of contract between them and the India General Steam Navigation Company for carrying the Calcutta me.il from Goalundo to Narayanga.nj 1 (b) Have Government ever received any application from any Indian stea.mer company regarding the carrying of mails from Goalundo to Narayan- ganj 1 If 80, how have they disposed of the matter 1 (c) Is the Royal mail carried by any Indian company either by bus or lteamer, in any part of Beoga11 If so, Where and what is the name of the company .nd the terms of the contract 1 .-, THE HONOURABLE MR. D. G.MITCHELL: (a) The service between' Na.ra.yanganj and G0801undo is a daily one in both directions with stoppages at interm.ediatestations. The Company have to carry sa.fely all the mails made over to them by an authorised agent of. the Posts and Telegraphs De~ment within the stipula.ted time, and the service is paid for at 80 rate whIch has been agreed upon between the Company and the Secretary of State. The Company are also liable to pay 80 penalty if they faU to complete the· journey between Na.ra.ya.nga.nj and Goalundo and t1ice f.Ie1'8a within the· prescribed time, unless the delay is due to circumstances over which the Com- pany have no control (6) No. (c) There Is no Inifian company carrying mails by stedler in any pan. of Bengal. A statement shewing tlie particulars aSked for in respect of motor mail eervicea in Bengalis laid on the table. The Contractora ha1"8 to eacote agreement& in the _tudard forms ~ by the Department, .oopiee oi wmoh have beeu pJaoed in the Library of the BODIe. .. QUB8TIONS AND .ANSWERS. SlGtement .Jwtoing tM mellor ~ in Bengol on. 'IIIIHeA trNJW lIN CGrri. by lttdW.n JlrTM. . . 1. Calcutta GenerallP- O!I.ce and town The Garage (Calcutta) Ltd., Calcutta. , nb-08lc8II. " 2. BeJgharia.Kancbrapara • • • D. G. E~ and Co., Calcutta. ' 3. Chuadanga-Jbenidah. • • • Pal Broe. Motor s8mce, Jbeaidah. f. ChuadaDga-Meherpur • • • Mr. S. C. Biswas, Meherpur. 6. Jeasore·8imakbali J~.K8IIbabpar ,M. N. Kundu Bro.., Jeuore. 8. Majdia.Kotchandpur • • Pal Bros. Motor Service, Majdia. 7. Ja.ore·Jbenidah Jeu0r8.SbibD8fOr8 • Mr. A. K. Datta, Majdia. 8. Tamluk-Panakura • East India Transport Co., Tamluk. 9. Chandrakona Road R. S.Chatal • 10. Belda·Contai :} .Taok Paui and SODS.,' ChandrakoDA. U. Bankura.RanicuDge • ,,~ K. M. DaM Broil., Bankura. 11. Andal·Ukhra • Mr; A.B. 8eD"Ukhra (Burdwaa). 13. Berbampore-Kandi Mr. N. C. Mukerjee, Berhampore (BeqaI). 14. Hili.Balurghat • • Messrs. Balwant Singh Hazra Bingh and Harnam Bingh, Balurghat. 16. Nilphamari.Nilphamari R. B. • Tarapada Majumdar, Nilphamari. 16. Rangpur-Mahiganj • Mr. Jugal Meah, Rangpur. 17. Pabna·Ishurdi • Pabna.BiBwu' Motor Bervice Ltd., Pabna. 18. Faridpur-Faridpur R. S. M8881'II. K. C. Guba and B. C. Mitra, Faridpur. 19. 8antahar.N80gaon.~ • Mr. D. P. Thakur, Naogaon. 20. Daoca Head omce.D~ R. B. Mr. N; C. Gupta, Dacca. 21. Jainti.Newlands • M8II81'8. B. C. Guba and Juthanram Kalwar. Newlands. 22. AlipUr Duar·Saontalpur M. Immamuddin Khan, Alipur Duar. 23. Maynaguri Road R. S.-Gairkatta • Algan Motor Service, J alpaiguri. 24. Darjeeling Head OlBce·Lebong • • N. R. Jagooram and Sons, DarJeelil18. CINCHONA PLANTATIONS iN INDIA. 270. To HONOUB.A»L1Il MB. JAGADISH CHANDRA BANERJEE: Will Government be pleased to eta.te the Dames of the Cinchona pJantatio~ stations in India, province by province , Tm: HONOUJU.BLB KHAlf BAlIADUB MuN Sm FAZL-I~HUSAIN: Th4t plantations are ~ " , Under the Government olltulia- Mergui Plantation in Bl1rma. U'Nler the Government 01 Ma4fYUJ- (i) Dodabett•• (ii) Naduvattam. (aii) ADna.malai. U"., 1M Gout",numt ol:&ftgfll (lJ Mungpoci. :', (ii) MungsaDl-., "tt J OODlJ0U,.. OJ' a"ATa• [14m DEC. 1988. HuLTS OJ SUBODJI KUIUB MDlDDBJu. DE'l'BNU IN TBII D:aou »mENTION JAIL. 2'76. TIm HONOUlUBLE MB. JAGADISH· CHANDRA BANERJEE: (ti) Will GQvernment be pleased to ~tEt the presept CQJ)(iip of. t4e ~ of dDeoe~uDef;u1?o4;h ~~~ ~ukherjea of S1!ami~ ~ ..n.oca. ~ow .oo~fJnod at u tention ~p. . _ . (6) How lcmg has be been in detention since his arreat' (e) Is it a fact that his hair is falling eff a.nd that he has been suffering from chronic baldness ! (d) Has a.ny medicine been prescribed for him, H not, why' THE HONOUBABJ& MR. M. O. HALLETI': (a) His health is good and he has gained two Ibs. in weight during the period he has been in the !>eoli De~ion .J&il. (6) Sint'.e th~ 30th ~ovemoor. 1930. (e) He has a small patoh of baldness on the right side of his bead. He is not suffering from chronic baldness. (d) Yes. PATENT FOB NOli-SLIP FASTBNINGS FOB SBOUlllNG SLBBPBBS TO RAILS TAKU OUT BY M:sS$BS~ J. D. WBENOa: AND J. C.MAImn)lu.. . 277. Tma HONOUBABLB MR. JAGADISH CHANDRA BANERJEE: (a) Is it a fact that Mr. John Da1la8 Wrench. Mechanical Engineer, Railway Board and Mr. J. C. :Ma.hindra obtained a pa.tent· for non-slipping fasteningB for securing railroad sleepers to rails 1 If SO. is it the same Mr. Wrench who iR now a Member of the Railway Board' (6) Are Government servants allowed to take patents for articles supplied to the Department in which the officer is employed , (e) Will Government. be pleaaed to lltate ~l,.e total cost of such fastenings 8u:ppUed to the Indian State Ranways since 1928' Are those fastenings stiij being med by the St&te Railways in India' If so, are Government officers allowed to carry on suoh business When they are in service , . . THE HONOURABLE Sm GUTHRIE RUSSELL: (a) y~. . (b) Govemment serva.nts are permit~ tQ pa.~nt I!olJ:Y qf their inven- tiOns. (c) Approximately Rs. 4,000. The fittipg in qu",.iQn W&8 incqrporated in the original designs of W. M. sleeper of which only about 7.500 were ordered, and is not now U8ed.. . DBATB OJ' lLur.I PADA BAGORI, DBTBNU IN THB DBOL! D~o. JAIL. 278. To HONOUlUBLlIl MR. JAGADISH OHANDlU BAliEBJEE: (a) Has the attention of Government been drawn to the ar1;iaJe b,.d.~ .. Death ofDeoliDetenu" p~blished ~n the Liberty, da~ the 25th A.~.t. 1933' If 8O.(~~en was theU' attention drawn to the 8&ld artiole, . QUBSTIONS AND ANSWBRS. (6) Has the attention of Govei'nD:l8nt been cha.wn to tihe editorial com- meRt regarding the death of detenu Bari Pada Bagohi &8 published in the Am,,"" ,.BaZa; PiJtri!f4, dated the 29th Ausust. 1933. If-Ib, when was their attention dra1m to it 1 - Tn HONOl7BABLE lIB. M. G. HALLETT: (a) a.nd (6). My attention had not previously heen drawn to these articles, D1U.TH OF HAm PADA. BAGOHI. DETENU IN THE DEOLI DETENTION JAIL. 279. THE HONOUlWlLE MR. JAGADISH ClllANDRA BANERJEE: (a) Is it a fact that one Han Pa.da Bagohi, son oflate Sa.ra.t Chandra Bagohi of SeroU, Rajahahi (BcmgaJ) and Ani! Kumar Batabyal, 80n of late Prasa.nna. Kumar Batabyal.ofRa.jsha~~::: kepi in the Deoli Detention Camp under the Bengal Orbriinal Law Ame . t Aot ! (b) h it a fact that the said Ha.ri Pada died while kept in the said Deten- tion C&mp 1 (e) If the a.nswer to part (6) is in the affirma.tive, will Government be pleased. to state the date when he died 1 (d) What W&8 the disease with which he was attacked as a result of which he died, and when was he first attacked 1 How long did he suffer from the disease ; when was he removed to the Ajmer Hospital , (e) Was the said Prafulla. Chandra Bagchi informed of the i11nees of hia brother Hari Pada! lf 80, when' (/) ~en was the news of the death of Bari 'Pada Bagohi sent to the said Prafulla. Chandra Bagchi and by whom , TIlE HONOURABLE MR. M. G. HALLETT: (a) Yes. (b) and (e). Ha.ri Pad. RagOhi died in the Victoria Hospital, Ajmer, on the 21st August, 1933. (d) He was removed to hospital on the 8th August, 1933, a.nd a.n operation for appendiCitis W&8 suocessfullyperformed on the 9th August, 1933. When tecovering froiD the operation he developed bronchitis which subsequentlY developed into pneumonia. of whioh he died. ' (e) and (f). The information is being obtained and will be laid on t.he table in due OOUl'Se'. HBALTH OB' SABOJ RANJAN AOHARYYA., DETBNU IN THB DBOt.I DBTENTION JAIL. 280. TaJl HONOUBABLB lIB. JAGADISH CHANDRABANEBJEE: WiUGov(''1'llIDeDt be pJea.s'ld to ltate wha.1Iis the pr~nt'8tate of bealtb ~f denu Saroj Ranjan Aoharyy". B.A •• in DeQIi Detention, OlWlp ! TIlE HONOURABLE MB. M; O. HALLETT : His health is good and 'he has gained two lbs. in weight during the past month. DEATH OF Ma. VITHALBHAI PATFL. THE HONOu:&ABLB K:aAl!i BAJlADtra MaN SIB F AZL-I.HUSAIN (Leader of the House): Sir, at Simla the House had to mourn the loss of Dr. Besant. Since then, India has lost another great leader: I am referring to the untimely and sad death of Vithalbhai Patel. He had a remarkable public career. His services to the 10c&laelf.government of the' country are evidenced by the great impression he made when he'served in the Bombay Corporation as a member and then as ohairman. His services to the country as a Member of the Legislature were long and meritorious. He was a Member of the old Imperial Legislative Council. He was also a Member of the Bombay Legisla. tive Council, a.nd since 1924 he was a ,Member of the Legislative Assembly. In all these institutions he took a. prominent and leading part., Outside the Legislatures, he was a prominent Congressman who made his presence felt in all the committees and deliberations of that body. It was, however, as President ofthe Legislative Assembly that he distinguished himself an~ excelled himself too. His we.." a very striking and forceful personality. Endowed with great ability, habitua.ted to strenuous hard work, dominated by a keen and intense desire to see bis country advance rapidly, he knew no fear in fighting for his objective and displayed great resourcefulne88, pertinacity of purpose and indomitable courage. His early death has cut :,hort a great career. May his soul rest in peace. Sir, on behalf of myself and the House, I request you to convey the deep '8eIlBe of sorrow of the whole House at his untimely death to the relatives of Vithalbhai Patel. THE HONOURABLE RAI BAHADUB LALA RAM SARAN DAS (Punjab: Non.Muhammadan): Sir, I wholly associate myself with the noble senti. ments that our Honourable Leader of tile House hu expre88ed on the untimely death of the Honourable Mr. Vithalbhai Patel and Of his virtues a.nd of hiR high character. He was a great Indian. and was the firSt non·official President of the Legiiilative Assembly. He alw!loYs, upheld the dignity and the tradition of that House. In him India. has lost a great and charming persona.lity who loved India and THE HONOlJB.ABLE MR. E. MILLER (Bombay Chamber of ('.ommerce): ~, on behalf of the NOJl-Official European Members of this House I beg to aasociate myself with the remarks made by the Honourable Leader of the House. ' THE HONOURABLE THE PRESIDENT: I also desire to associate myself with the observations which have fallen from the Honourable Leader of tho House and the Honourable Members. The high tribute whioh the Honour· able Leader of the House has paid to the deceased makes it unnecessary for me to make many remarks. There ill no doubt that the deceased was a strong and forceful persona.lity. I knew him ever since he was a Member of th~ late Imperial Legislative Counoil and, this House is only 'concerned with th~ deceaaec:I'slegislative career in the late Imperial Legislative Council and also in the Legislative Assembly. There, of course, he distinguished himself by bis strong p61'8Onality, his intimate knowledge and acquaintance with the Rules and Standing Orders and t.bemanner ia which he controlled that Assembly. I shall certa.in1y C9nvey the sympathy and condolence of this Bouse to the relatives of tlie decea.aed. ' ( 4M: ) MESSAGE FROM IDS EXCELLENCY ~HE GOVERNOR, GENERAL. THE HONOUBAliLE TJfE 'PRESIDENT: Honourable Members, I have a Message to convey to you from Bia Ex:oe,llenoy the 12 NOON. Govemor General. . 'The Message reads thus: P AlJEL OJ' CluIJUDDN • .. InfnW_ oj I1ae ~ of.ub...ction (3) o/,-.oHtm BU oj the QotnnIment oj India Act. 1. Freeman. EMloJ WilUngdon, hf,reby nominate I1ae IllmOt4l"Gble ACr.. Ernul Maw. a Member oj the Council oj State to be on I1ae PMId oj Chairmen oj I1ae lItJid ~ COtincU vioe Mr. Gonpali AgraAaram AnnadAurai Awar N~1l' (Btl.) WILLINGDON, The lilt December. 1933. Viceroy and GOwmo;o General." (The Me88age was received by the Colmcil, standing.) COMMITTEE ON PETITIONS. , To HONoUlu.BUD'l'BB PRESIDEN'l': Honourable Members are a'Wan that our old colleague, the Honourable Mr. G. ,A. Natesan, hall been taken away to other spheres of activity and hisresigriati9n, 'bas u:iade, it,nece.ssary f.O appoint an Honourable Member in his place in the Committee on Petitions. Under Standing OrdElJ' 76 I have discretion ,to fllltbis "vacaricy'during the ,currency of the session and I have decided to do so. I accordingly have much pleasure in noJllinating, with, the conlrent of the Membe1'8 ~cerned{ as Chajr- ]Jl&Il of the Committee the Honoura.ble Raja Char&J;ljit. SiDjP..oo i~ his, place &sa Member of the Committee, the Honourabl,e Rai &h&durJ,.aJa . Jagcije4, Prasad. THE HONOURABLE THE PRESIDENT: I have also to announce that the reaigDation of Mr. Nateaa.n cl'eated&. vaotmcY'on t.he' Libra.ry Committ.ee. I am glad to inform the House that the Honourable Mr. Spencehu aocepced my invitation to fill tha.t vacancy. GOVERNOR GENERAL'S A."SENT TO BILLS. SECRETARY 011' TIlE COUNCIL: Sir"infonnatien has been reoeived that His Excellenoy the Governor GeneraJ. has been pleased to grant his IL8IIeDt to the following Bills which were passed by the two Chamhel'8ofthe Indian LePJe,ture during the Simla BessiQU, 1933,. namely': The Workmen's Compemsa.tion (Amendment) Act, 1933. The La.nd Acqlliaition' (Amenduient) Act, 1938. ( 446 ) COOKCU. OF STATI. [14TH DlIc. .\983. I . • Indian Wirele. Telegraphy Act, 1933. The Indian Income-ta.x (Second Amendment) Act, 1933. The Indian Railwa.ys (Amendment) Act, 1933. The Cotton Textile Industry Protection (~cond Amendme!lt) Aot, 193.'l. . The Indian Arbitration (Amendment) Aot, 1933. The Murshidabad Estate Admiriistration Act, 1933. The Cantonmellts (Hou.~-Aocommodation Amendment) Act. 1933. The Indian Tea Control Aot, 1933. The Indian Merchant Shipping (Second Amendment) Act, 1933. The Dangerous Drugs (Amendment) Act, 1933. The In~ Medical Counoil Act, 1933. RlilPORTB OF THE JOINT COMMlTTEES ON THE BILL TO CONSTI- TUTE A REsERVE BANK OF INDIA .ANi> ON THE BILL FURTHER TO .AMEND THE IMPERIAL BANK OF INDIA AfJr, 1920, FOR CERTAIN PURPOSES LAID ON THE TABLE. SECRETARY OJ' ftlI COUNCIL: Sir, I Jay on the ta.ble the RePorts of the Joiiit Committees on the Bill to constitute a l\eaen"e Bank of liidJa. and on the Bill further to amend the Imperial Bank' of India Act, UJ20, fOt oertain pw-poaes. THE HONOURABLE RAl BAlIADUB L.ALA MATHURA PRASAD MEHROTRA: Sir, the Reaerve Bank Bili is not here. To HONOUR,lBLK THE PRESIDENT: No. You 1ri11 bear sometbing about it Jater on. THE HONOUBABLE MB. D. G. MITCHELL: Sir, I lay on the table the information promised in .reply to question No. 48 asked by the Honourable Mr. H088&in ImaDl on the 20th Septeinber, 1932. STATEMBlM'S LAID ON 'l'JIB TABLE. I BBCOJi1lDN1)ATlom 01' 'tb POSTS ANDTm.laoa&:PHS Aooo'vSTB ENQUlBY CoJOlI'rrD. Items oC Recommendationi. Ailtion taken by the GoVernment of IDdia. Belief to be granted in respect of surplus The recommendation has been accepted by and ohlolete II1ioreII in Iitook on 1st; April, the Govemment of India. 1926 (~agr.phB 29 and 300C the Com· mittee s Report). Treatment oC surplus rec~pts &rising out .of With the oonourrence of the Auditor ('.ene· the diBpoaal of 8II88tB (pa1'&i1'&ph 31 of ral, it hu been decided that the eXUlting the Committee's Report). detailed head .1 Reoe.ipta on Capital AooOWlt" is IlUfficient to meet all prac. tiDal requirements and that no further action need thereCore be taken on the recommendation of tho Committee. Enhancement of effective .1 livetl" of Capital Accepted by the Government of India. Auets (paragraphB 38 to 40 of the Com· Effect has been given to theae reoommen· mittee's Report). dations in the Budget for 1933·34. Expenditure on repairing d&llUlgtl due to The investigation made into the matter storms, floOds, aocidentlJ, etc., to be showed that the Committee'. recom· chariled to Depreciation hnd (paragreph mendation w.. already being followed. 4.5 ot the Committee's RepOrt). Reconstitution of the Depreciation Fund The recommendations of the Committee and the Capital AocoWlt (paragraphB 70 have been acc.epted by the Government to 74.0£ tbe Committee'. 'RepOrt). of India in a BOfneWhat modified form aiid iii the Memorandum f~. by the AudJ."to'r Gener&! in India foreub. Iii_btl to the Jut Central Public AccountB Committee it wu ~e clear that he had accepted all the decisions of the Government of India in the matter. EqlJlI,liaation of rate of in~t allowed on ComiJltinciing with the accounts for 1930·31, Depreciation Fund balanoes With that tlie GoVernment of JnCfia have been oharged on freilb capital outlay With allowing tlie aariie rate of interest on the effect from 1st April, 1926 (paragraphB Depreciation FWld balances a. .-rebeing 85 and 86 of the Commit,tee's Report). charged on oRpital ontlay. They were unable, however, to grant retroapectilVe efFeot from lst April, 1926. Equaliaation of rates of inliereBt oharged by It baa bI,en decided that ~ action • . RailwaYB on postal mail VIlDll with that necessary at present but that arra:age- paid by State Railways on their own menta should be made to observe the capital outlay (paragraph 90 of the ratell of interest charged by the Railway Committee's Report). DepanmentB in OODlp&l'iaon with that paid by Rail.... ay. to General Revenues. Adoption provisionally of a percentage of The Government of Innia hRve accepted 7 . 465 for the purpose of determining the percentage rate of 7'5 with retrospec. the pensionary liability of the Depart. tive eft'eut from lilt April, 1926, and ment(p.ragraphB 100, 101 and 107 to ·necessary adjustments were made in the 100 of the Committee'. Report). acooumefor 1931·32. Reintrodu(.-tion of separate revenue Btamps It has been decilled by the Government of (paragraphs 123 and 124 of the Com- India to reint,roduco separate revenue mittee's Report). IIt.ampa. 811 a permanent me&'lUre with . eft'ectfrom lilt April, 1934. aacl Orden have b'een ia8ued acoordingly. COUNCIL OJ' STAT... [14m DlIC. 1988. ,. Jteme of' ReGommeDdationa. . The rats charged on inland preB8 tele- The Government of India have decided that grams are neither remunerative in their the Department should normally work l'EIIIillta nor cOmmercial in theirbBsia to a profit which will cover the 1088 on and the Department incurs a large annual inland press telegram8. The Depart- la. OR thia traftlc. The Departments ment will appropriate any cnaller pro8ft should be reimblll'll8lil this 1088' .. , in any year towards covering in part the meaaured by the estimated 8&villRB, etc., 1018 on preas traffic during the year, the which would result if this traffio were uncovered 1088 being exoluded from. the abolished (paragraph 132 of the Com· calculation of the cwnulative deficit on mitt8fl's Report). which interest is payable by the Depart. ment. The profit in exOOlll of the 1088 on preu traffic wUl be taken in reduction of put cumulative interest.bearing deftoit. The decision waa given effeot to retro.- pectively &om lilt April,I925, and nec-.. II&ry adjustments on account of the 1011 inourred during 1925·26 to 1930·31 were made in the accounts for 1931·32. ' Reimbur.ment to the Posta and Tele- This recommendation baa hflen aooepted graphs Department of the 1088 Bustained by the Government of India with reatra.- on acoount of the col108lllliOlUll ratell pectWe .act from In AJlriI, UI26, and oharged for foreign State telegrams, the 1088 BUBtained by tbia Department (paragraph 138 of the Committee's up to 1931·32 amountin, to RB. 3,60,000 Report). baa been deduoted fnIID the aocumulated 1088 of the Department. Prevention of the use of service stampa, It hAl been decided by the Government of i~luded in the free grants t.o Jnellan India to defer action on this mat'ter till State!l, for telegraph purpoeea (para. the constitutional i88uea have been graphs U2 and 143 of the Committee's _tied. Report). Recovery of extra cost incurred on acoount. The Posta and Telegraphs Department baa of the r~tion of the depertmentN ~ the c911clusionaarriveci -.t by telegraph' oBloes ~om the departments tho Committeealid Will give eft'ec" to opposing their converSion into combined ~em &8 Oecwn' ~iaea. offioes (paragi'aph 149 of the Committee'.. Report). Due allowance t,o be made for" idle time .. It haa been decided that when p1'tlll6nting in preparing claims for services rendered claims t.o other Deportments, the BewOOl' (paragraph 188 of tbeCommittee's time teat which made due' alloWance for ~). . . idle time should ~ applied, .Beaortto arbitration for . the _tiement The Government of India do not oonBidar of inter. departmental claims (paragraph it neceaaary to supplement the existing 169 of the C',ommittee's Report). machinery for determining inter.depart. mentallllaima. Inclusion of oertain indiretlt cha11Je8 The recommenda~ioD8 he,"e been ac"epted in claims preferred f~ lerVicea rendered by the Govermn.ent (jf India and steps (paragraphs 171 and 172 of thE' Com. have been taken to include the requtai.te mittee's Report). instructions in the proper coda. , Grant of various reliefs proJM*d, with full The Government of ~dia have accepted retrOipective effect frOm 1at April, 1921S this recommendation. ' . ~ph 183 of the Committee's Report). STATEMENTS·LAJp ()If 'J'JIJI TABLE. TIm HONOUlWSLE MB. J. B. TAYLOR: Sir, I lay on the tahle the infcm:na.tiOD. promised in l'eply to questions Nos. 168 and 1'12 aalred bY the HonoUJ'&ble Mr. Mahmood Suhr&wardy and· the Honoura.bJe Mr. Ja.gadish Chandra Banerjee, respectively, on the 11th September, 1933. bOOHIII"T.u DlIll'AB;ruN~" BUQAI,.. (1) and (2). Numerical strength and the number of MDSlim officers in oeaob cadre. after the retrenchment in July, 1933,and theresp8ctive proportion to lhe total atrength in each cadre in the Income.tax Department, Benga.l. -...... _-_.--'- ...... ~ .. -.---..------. Strength Strength after Number Prot°rtion before retrench. of Muham- to t e total retrench· mentin madana. strength. ment.. duly, 1933. ----- A~t Co~ Income·tax Officers. 35 !9 8 27'6% AuiBt.a.nt IncOJD8·ta:r; 9ftlcen 19 (lilt of 6 31'6% them are 1 " otIicb,lting tc '57 "lDcome~ ' taxomo.a) E:r;aminera of Aooounta . J. I.' ,), to 18 82-8%; Income·tax Aaeessors 17 17 I) 29'4% , Inoome·tax Bailift'e 8 .8· ! 40%- Miniaterisl 886 386t 140 36'8%. (3) No further l'etrenohment in the grade Of gazetted officers is' in con templation. Retrenchments in ministerial a.nd menial grades are under csonaideration. .. .. (4) and (5). No. The peroentage of 45 ha.C! been fixed, by the Looal (6) The Gove'l'mD.ent of India. h8;ve issued orders· that, &8 far &8 poli8iblei retrenchment should be effected so &8 not to disturb the communal proportions presently existing at the time of retrenchment. • One polt ia lying vacant. t SiJ:'posta were va.ca.nt in July, 1~33. [14m DBO. 1988. D.s~ '0. ntn:sTING A88l8'l'ANT COMJ&SloihDM' ot IlfCOirli.:. !'.AX IN BBNoAL''WlT1t SPltO'ut Po'tIDI!I. ' (c) (i) In Calcutta, the experiment was tried in one case but in view of certa.in legal difficulties, it had to be dropped. The suggestion for its adoption generally is not considered practicable. Its desirability otherwise has not heen considered. (,i) In the early stage~ of the organisation of the Income·tax Department,. Assistant Commissioners in amujet &H 'provmoeaWe'fe invested with the powers of Income-tax Officers in order to make important or difficult assessments. 'When the de~ent was, thoroughly organised and,the &ssessiJ:ig $t&1l' well trained in their ta.sk the,.Assiahmt CQmmissioDer8 ~~ withdi-awn from use.- ment 'work ~nd confined to appellate and inspection work alone. In SOiDe case~ it was found that assessment work placed 0. strain on the Assistant Commissioner and hampered his legitimate appellate work. The Govern- ment do not propose to invest Assistant Commissioners of Income-tax with. powers of a8I!IC88ment as a general rule in "II pro\Tinces. THE HONOUlUBLE MR. R. E. L. WINGATE: Sir, I lay on the table the information promiaed in reply to question No. I69--asked by the Honourable- Rai Bahadur Lala Mathura Prasad Mehrotra on the 11th September, 1933. TRANSI''' 01' SBI BADBI NATlI TBMPLB. (4) and (b). The question of the management of the Badri Nath Temple- has been before the Hindu publiC since 1929 as a result of certain proposals made by a Sub-Committee of. ,the Hindu Religious and Charitable Endow- ments Committee after a special enquiry into the ma.na.gement of the Temple. T.heae propoaaJa involved &II alteration of the existing scheme of mana.geiDtmt which was settled in 1899 by the High Court of Kumaon. The Government; of the United Provinces examined the propoea.ls in consultation with His lfighness the Raja of Tebri who, under the present scheme, is vested with general supervisory powers. No agreement was reached and no further action was then taken on the proposals. His Higtmemr1lg" e~l'e'ssed his willingiiess to ma.ke himself personany responsible for mana.gement if the temple ..,nd the village in w:hich it stands are made over in full 'sovereignty to him. In the present year His Excellency the Governor of the United Provinces took steps to elicit Hindu opinion on this proposal by means of local and general enquiries and it is as a result of these enquiries that lit large number of resolutions arid other representa.tions has been received from Hindu Sabha8 in various part-s of India, some in fa.voUr of, and some opposed to, the tramd'er. Owing to the great div6rgeilce or views the Government of the United Provinces have decided not to pursue the matter further at present. (c) The present resources. qf ~e temple are utilised for worship, paymea.t5 of staff and the maintenance of the buildings at Ba.dri Nath and of a number Of BuOOidinate temples, tIIaaram8ala8, etc. The entertainment of important pilgrims is alSo a cha.i'ge on the temple funds. BTATB~T. LAID ON TRB TABLB. 451 1 To HONOll1L&BLJD 8m GUTHRIE RUSSELL: Sir, I lay on the table . the jpformatiop. pro~ in reply to question No. 170 asked by the Honour· able Rai Bahadur La.laMa.thura Pra.sa.d Mehrotra. on ,the 11th September, 19~. 'NUDD OF WAGONS WI!l'H LAVATOBIES ON THE EAST INDIAN RAILWAY. (a) There are only nine I, II and Inter class bogie composite carriages 'Without lavatories. There are eight other I, II and Inter class bogie composite carriages in 'Whiob the 1st a.nd 2ud classes and two of the four Inter elM! eompartmentll are provided with lavatories. (b) These carriages were designed for suburban traffic only. 'J:'B:B HONOUlUBLlIl 8m GUTHRIE RUSSELL: Sir, I also Jay 01;1' the table the information protnised in reply to question No. 194 aalaid. by the Honourable Mr. Hossa.in Imam on the 16th September, 1933. . R.ux.WAY CLBAluNG ACCOUNTS OFFICB. Two statements gi~ the infortnation asked for by the Honourable Member are laid on the table. It is regretted that the info~tiDn ~lating to 1930·31 in respect of part (2) of the question is nat ava~ble. STATEMENT 1. Year. RI. 1930-31 17,117,6111 1931·32 .. • 17,08,188 1932-33 • 16M,7I! STATEMENT n. S""Mllhflo""tlfloloZ 0NdiU. ToIGllkbil6. Total orediU due 10 one 8k8e.manage.d Roilway from the other thru ana total debiI8 agaiu OM 81ak· & . mGfIGgeciRailway bytM otheT tilTH. lor the year 1931-32 (lnd 1933·33. Great IndIan PeniDlu)a Nortb-Weetern BaUway_ Rallway_ East indian Raflriy. ButerD BeD.. 1 Railway. JIuUaaIan. 1eS1-SIi. 1982-13. 1eS1-SI_ 1e82-3S_ 1981-81. 11182-31. 1931·32. 1OU·38. lta. A. ... A. Ba. A. Ba. A. RI.A. lta. .1../ RI.A.; lta..L (.)SezedJta, •.•..~ of each ;2,M.58.1M • 2,0.t8.8G8 Si5.7e.Ol.05S 81 li,e0.11.635 II S,39.15,721 8 6.Sl.It.1lf8 7 I 1.M.II11,"' 10 ,1.85.U.71 'i 11 to-lII&IIIIIIed Ralhraya 1n rN}IeCt of ! ~ed with all ibe raIIol pya. . , I I . § IIIo I t: (II) Total ~, .... the alDOllDt coDect-l..oe.SIi.27. • 3.80.111.707 111UO.55,!111 9 i .,011.111_ 12 I 5,13.00.080 5 ~.15.50.80710!1.117.tO.0. 1 1.B8.8t,n, .2 ell •. oiIWard paid and lDwanl to-ll&Y I ~ tnmD.. I ~ ior: ~)...... 2/1.40,«,111.I , :1.118.~5.8687 1.02.'12.184 13 3.111.06,732 0 11.11,81.7.1 II 88,01.457 12 I SII.te.'l1l 11 RaIlftJ from the other- three. I " i I j ,...... , i I .... ! .... I I ~ (.r) Total4eWta apbaat 0118 8t&te·_1td 1.15.18,5e1i 16 1.86,05,701 1 1.15.18.00tI 1 /1.08,00.8'11 68,01,'37 7 M.as,3n II BalIWa7b7 the other three. = ·1"·"....·,· ..... ··.. t1 · lIlI o I I I t (~Ifet lIQIIdIlk (Dr.) or BeelIIpta (Or.) of 68.9t.tltl1 18 61.22,867 G 5•• ~818 5 .2.72.2M II 511.0,829 6 9tt~186U U.9II.1I79 11 17.M.tIIe IS ~ iIIe 1IaIlwQ. (Dr.) I (Cr.) ",T.) (Cr.) (Cr.) (Dr.) (Dr.) I ~ • STATEMENTS LAID ON TBB TABLB. THB HONOUBABLB Ma. T. A. STEWART: Sir, I Jay on the table the information promised in reply to questions Nos. ISO and 181 a.sked by the ,Honourable Mr. H088a.in Im.a.m on the 16th September, 1933. RBTRENClDIENT IN '!'HE OITIOE AND WOBUHOPS OJ'TIIE POBT CoIOlI88IONERS, CALCUTTA.. ~(a) Each section of the Trust being considered as a. separate :unit, re- itrenolllnen~ was carried Qut on the, following prinoiples : Any men who had oJearly proved themselves 11DBa.tiafactory workers were retrenched. The number 80 retrenched was inconsider- able. Temporary men, including men of short service who were put on no pay leave under the 1931 retrenchment scheme and who had since been recalled to duty, were retrenched. H the necessary reduction of men in each grade was not thus obtained, any man who had been promoted from a lower grade to a.ct in a higher grade were required to revert to the lower grade. Thereafter, if necessary, the junior most men in each grade other than the lowest,\were given the option either of reverting to a lower grade or of being retired. These measures usually resulted in an excess number of men in the lowest gra.de, and in this grade a.ll men who had completed ~5 years' pensionable service were first retired, and, if furthu reductions were still necessa.ry, the junior most men were retrenched. A WniJar procedure was adopted &8 fa.r a.s possible with inferior staff. The Commissioners ha.ve throughout reserved to themselves the right to depart from this procedure whenever a departure appeared to them likely to ensure greater effioiency. (6) The full Board of the Commissioners in meeting. (e) Yes. (tI) Mr. J. C. ~nerjee, Rai B. R. Singh Bahadur and Mr. G. L. Mehta. RBTBBNOHHBNT IN THB O:rnoll A.ND WOBXSUOI'S OJ' TUII PORT COHHIS- STONERS, OALCUTTA.. (a) 495.* (6) (i) Europeans • 27* (ii) Anglo-Indians 71 (iii) Indians • .. • · 397 (e) 69.* · (d) Yes. (e) (i) Europeans • • • Nil· (ii) Anglo-Indians • • • • • • Nil (iii) Indiaus •. • • ,.":.,'\ ... , • • 19 (/) NQ., · (g) n.DOt~. (A) No. • The above ftpr. are for tbe three yean oommenciDg from 1931·31. ANNOUNCEMENT BE LAYING OF INFORMATION ON TBB TABLE. THE HONOUlWlLB TJIB PRESIDElIlT ~ Honourable Memben, .... reference to the information which has just been laid on the table, my attention has been called to the fact that certain observations from the Chair in connection with questions asked on the 11th and 16th September last might be taken as implying that I dissent from the decision cQntained in my predecessor's considered ruling of the 20th September, 1932, to the effect that when the information BOught in a' question is still being collected on the date when the question is put, an interim answer undertaking to supply the infor- mation in due course to the Honourable Member putting the question would oontinue to be in order in this Council and that where an interim answer in this sense is given, it would not be' neceua.ry to lay the information on the table. I therefore desire to explain to the Council that I entirely agree with my predeceasor's luling and do not propose to introduce any general change ill the practice which as he obRerved hal been in force throughout the existeoce of this Council. . BILL PASSED BY THE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY LAID ON THE TABLE. SECRETARY 0:1' 110 COUNCIL: Sir, in pU1"8ua.noe of rule 25 of the ~ Legislative Rules, I lay on the table copies of the Bill further to amend the Indian Tariff Act, Is94, the Indian Finance Act, 1931,.nd the Sea Customs Act, 1878, for certain pUrposes, which was passed by the Legislative .Assembly at its meeting held on the 12th December, 1933. MOTION FOR THE ELECTION OF ONE NON~OFFlCIAL MEMBER TO THE STANDING COMMITrEE ON EMIGRATION V ICE MB. G. A. NATESAN, RESIGNED. THB HONOUlUBLE KH4lIJ BAH4D'O'lL MJ:AN SIR F AZL-I-HUSAIN (Leader of the House): Sir, I'move: .. That this Council do proceed to elect, in such manner 88 the Honourabl,e the President maydirllct, o'ne ndD-official Member to sit on the Btaudiog Oommittee on Emigration, ~t. MI". G. A. Nateean." . ' , . . . It has become necessary to make this motion because of Mr. Nate8an's resig- nation. The JQOtion.was adopted. THE HONOURABLE THB PRESIDENT ~ With reference to the motion which has just been adopted by the Council, I have to anl;1ounoe thai noaiDa- tiona for the Standing Committee on Emigration will be feoeiTed by the Secretary up til111 A.J(. on Saturday, the 16th December, 1933. , t',W"r RESOLUTION HE RATIFICATION OF THE SILVER' A6REEMEN'l'. 'l'Inf Ho~t1lUWlJI')ft. I. It TAYLOR (AddttlbnM Fin&AdeSe6re~~ ''8If,'l'move :' .. That'tbia Council reooDmlendtto the GoverDOr Gelleral'in Council· that' h8 lib; lIlt-ify tfw ~ MemGra~!>f Heade of Agreement entel'!tdinto by the ~eaa~88 of If,l~. CJaina e.n9. SP'I!ip as hqldere of~ge ..tocks or u~~ of .ilvor and qC -4.ustralia, Canad.th•. tne United S~atee; Mexico aild Peru 88 principal prokucors of eilvet, at tlie" Monetary' &rid EconOJdfc . Colit'mnce hetel in: London, J uly 19~"." " , sir, thls"Oouhdilis'&1rea(!ytoa'cettainex'tant'faTrliliir w."th' the stibiect-::~ ~tter' of ttil§ Re8oliitibtl', because'on' a '. ~esolUti()n moved tij tbe Horiqura~J ttai B'&hadur' Lab.lfathuril: PraSad'Melitbtra at'tHe'Simla. aeBsion in conneot'iOH ~tB' tHe deaf ~ioh WB;S etf~. bi the GOverlurient ot India. with' _ )f&;jesty's' ~~8~'i~ ,.r~A~t pf th~ si1.~r ~l.J.ui~~·for a·~0k.en., ~rit:'d'1 "at debt td ~h~lJDlted~ta;tes lil;st May I tOok OCCaRIOn to explaIn 10 anRWemtl ~irri'~he ~H~y ,otthe,~ve'trime~t 01 !ndia in ~elling 8il~e't. But I ~l repea~ 1\' brIefly a;gidn. In past reArs India. waR a o01Jntry whoSe cUrrenoy" WaW l)a!&ec! onsifver~ the silver' IiIpee~ At that time there '.ere three main grouJ.i!; ,ofourrencies hi the wotld ; some countries depended on silver, othors dopand&l dn gbJd' and I other!> had bot,h: Up to 1~3 the ma.jority of countries ~ ~tther ,ort ~, silver' ~ or on ,& bi.~ta.llio ba.si8~ that is to 8&Y:, a ba~ 'I1tlii~~ m.c1uded}~~th snv~ta~,d gol~. ,Afte~.,tha~ there, '\1ta.S a "gra.~u",l,~w1ritc a~l ~m ~wr and mbte and' ,m6~ C'Ou~tl'~S went on to gold. BUt thougtl I~~I& \ltlttlt on~aild be)is it' still corltih.u&'d to 1188 silver to a' very largo extlfut f'8r"th" . or its mte'rnA11 currenoy. Tii(;si1~i" ru "~s' the Iii.il.tb: tb.~'il' 0 . e~ fi'a;b~ withiii' the' oouiltry itseIf~ niii-ing' th: vtat thiB'I~' of eiIv~r' \tithi~ the cou!l'try ";n~~:S~iti~'ted y~ry',~rge ,putC~8;se of sUver oiit~idij all'd ro~'lf 100 crotes Of rU~es ha.d to be coinea durlD¥ the war to me~ ttt~ ~t~~ d~ma:ti~1 f.()1' c~noy. ,Aftal" t~~ Waf' o-Mng to, tl'tO devel(jpnwiit o"tthe syst~m, the oJjenlOg of" Im~e&l Bank branches With currobey 'cfi'e'Btri'CJ. ain'f Vj Ibns' other realon's'tbe pOpul8.Wty' elf the nate isSue: in ltiali hu'dEitel" !t'o ';'v:~ry lkrge e:rl~I1t', wfth'the' result titat" since tlib war liiut) n Tm: HONOUBABLB MR. J. B. TAYLOR: Sir, 35 million ounces represent 10 crores of rupees in quantity and 140 million bunoes represent 40 Cl'Ol'el'. , ' .Tn BONOUlWlLll THE PRESIDENT: 1. How ma.nyrUpieI are now in 'o~ulati?D 1 . : . 'Tm/HoNOtTUBLB MR. J. B. TAYLOR: I am sorry, Bir.:I thought) had ;fI16ntioned 104 orores- . RATII'ICATION OJ' 1'0 SILVD AGBBBKBNT. 'l'JD: HOWOtTBABLE TJDII PRESIDENT : You said 104. orores a.re in dock.' I W&Ilt to know what is in oirou1a.tion. To HONOt1BABLE Ma. J. B. TAYLOR: I am afraid, Sir, t·hat the amount of rupees in circulation is a question quite imposRible to answer. The Government of India in the Finance Department at the time of the Hilton Young Commission made a. careful investigation of this but the estimate was largely baaed on gDesa work. The total ooinage so far has been ahout 650 orores and the amount in stock is 104 and re-ooinage 50 crores: so, if 50 crores had been BOld that would leave 450 crorea in oircuJ&tion. But that does not allow for the large amount which has boon privately melted or exported. I think the usual estimate is that the amount of mpees in circulation in this country ia somewhere between 150 and 250 crores of rupees. I am afraid it is im- pouible to form any cJoser approximation than that, and even that is a pure peas. TmI: HONOURABLE '!'HE PRESIDENT: I understand that this Agreement does not legally or morally bind India to sell up to that quantity 1 It is only the maximum quantity which India may sell. TilE HONOURABLE Ma. J. B. TAYLOR: That is correct; it is a maximum. The Agreement means that India in no year will sell more than 50 million ounces and on an average not more than 35 million ounces. TUE HONOUlLA.BLE TUE PRESIDENT: Wha.t is the world's production of silver now 1 Tn HONOURABLE Ma. J. B. TAYLOR: I think, Sir, off-hand tha~ this year's estimate is very roughly 150 million ounces. 'llm HONOURABLE THE PRESIDENT: Does this 35 million include the two crores which we sold to Great Britain for payment to America for the war debt' . THB HONOUll.4BLB MB. J. B. TAYLOR: No, Sir. It is specified in the Agreement that if any silver is sold as a result of any governmental tra.nsa.ction, it will be outside this Agreement. This refers to sales on tb market. Similarly the producing Govel'Illl1ents undertake to take an equivalent amount. off the market. Inter-governmental transactions are excluded.. TIn: HONOURABLE THB PRESIDENT: Shall we receive our payments in gold or in sterling securities 1 TIn: HONOURABLE MR. J. B. TAYLOR: That, Sir, is not specified in the Agreement, because, as I say, these are market transactions. The point is that the Government of India undertakes to sell not more than that on the ma.rket. What it geb; for it is a matter within its own discretion. Whether it is pl'l'pared to sell in India for rupees or in London for sterling or in America. for gold is a matter left entirely to its own discretion. To HONOURABLE TIIB PRESIDENT: Thank you. D2 411 [14m DBC. 1988. T.o: BOOWvbBD R.u BAJlABlJW LA£& JAOJ)IIJI JlBAaAiD fl1aited Provinoes Northern: Non.M~): Sir, it is ftry difI,:. tb r... the subtletiell of international financiers. The Finance Secretary has argued tb&t the SiNer l\1cnemen. is in. ike im1lerMts of ladia, w~ the United Provinoes .roh.... , ~ber. I u.aderetalld••• eommWolioa.ti.oa ~ ~ Go.vemment C)f IBrlia. elI.~ ~o"'~ regardilll"'y mGMta,y benefit • India emorghl@ oat of tat- Aareement. However. I .. not o,poaed tQ ~ Apeement. But 1 am of opinioa \hat the Gevernment abould not .. silver wiiao. ~e previaua OODli8nt of the LellwlatuM.oo. tba.i the m.nv realised froa the ales of si.lv.er Meu.ld !JO towuds ilia gold .ndard l'eI~ and .ot towards Qleeting debt obliptions. I IIoIB J¥)t IliQfe if tae ~8~ gave a.n uadelltakiDg ~ ,}Us effeot ia tlie Laaialative £.,ab.\Y. nor Us u... .. Finanoe Secretary, if I have lUldElllltQQd hie riptly, gill''' ... ~te.kina. to tb.is effect tode.y. THE HONot"RABJ.E MAIJARAJA JAGDTSH NATH RAY Oll' DnUJPUR (Bengal: Nominated Non.Oftiaial): Mr. President, Sir, jf I rise tQ, take part in the disoussion OIl this Resoll1tion I do not do so in any O&rping spirit of critirism. A matter so intricate and Ilaving a beaTing on tlle eoonoJi)w. position of practically the whole world cannot but be a problem of' immense diffioulty to the average man. And that is why to olarify my own ideas a.nd YO to help others in my position I di8cU88 BOme aspeots cftl the Agreement as I have undel'8tood them so far. Sir, it is really a point of great. gratification that in a Conference of sixty· six nat.ions, which met under so high auspices in July of t·his year, Inciia WIUl given an important poRition ; and although it resulted in uWer ft.ilbre· SO far as the large issues were concerned India's participation does not seem to hlt~' ~n altogether profitl688. What I could gather from t.be Press repol'tR at tbt\ time the Monetary aDd 'ROOl'lOoUO Oonfenmoe. wIlioh bad been: heta.1ded with much fanfare ia Lonrloa, ..,amtled, ultiaaatel¥- witill'DOtMnJt _gu.a but one or two Agreements of this nature. The Sub·Commission II of one of ita. CO!TUJ)iMioQll ~ust th~Jefore be. ~ coJlF.&~~ f()f ha.vins- been able to arrive a.t an u.na.mmoua :Ie8OlutlOR. on· the .lit u.d gurnhw ~ silver. It may be to the advantage of those who desire to sell silvet: tbM the producers of the sa.me metal absorb it themselves. But, Sir, even in my first speech in the House at Simla, I felt it illY duty to give e'pression to the feeling tna.t runs ram~t· even in' Qur country ~ ~amiDg ~e pro,' priety of ttie sale _of gol¢' and' siN.sr. I alSo g".ve ~ut ~at in spite of th~ Honoura.ble Mr. Tay1tJr'" argumentIn favour of the qUlck diBpbaat or" dinra. gold, It I wall not fully convinced: He is up agai1l toda.y to advooa~'HI'a way the sale of''' surplu~ silv;>r.'" I lepe'l.t, it; is really Vl'ry dUHcJIIIt fhro. to think with equanimity the disposal of gold and silver in stock. "'ter', &8 China is on II. silver ourrenoy hasis and as about the silver position of Spain we b.ve no data, although l!I.. pportith~ Reeolation hl8onot"take full colllfort in the fact that Chin" ant{ Spain also haVtl entered the Agreemen~ alon8; witt. India. What is good for revolution·ridden Spain may not also be good for WI ; and this sWUes UlI aU the JJMlI"8, ~UBll, whi» the ~ of aij.-er is DOW deeJQed pGIIifeJ,t,be UaMd..fIiIJ,~IlQfAraerilJllr-th,e.cbief silver.~i9 OO\l8~'7-"'..... ' ~i to oo~ i~ a (III1QtI fort.Ul)a.tOat we are,.~1f tadiepcMe 0-: .rJ1 ...~J"We.J4,_.sijv~... ~~; ... to. be· ... 14tij(t. .,...loua.: lti·~'U.a''''IQ8~. &.~. However, I do not fai~to, ... ta.tj,~• .1tgrBI""" ..·tJalyJof'IJlDlt81"'i .. oharacter as it binds the Government not. to dispo.ae of more than a given qaantity of sUver fQ,.fQ", pra:ffOlll,~·l~of J~. ThmI.,now, I m:aderst&nd. 104 orol'f\S of silver coins in Atook and 30 ororee of rupeel have BATInCATION CW TaB SILVD AGREEMENT. been disposed of since 1926, and from the price obtained thereof lOi crores wortll, of gol~ was bought and put in the Ctmency Reserve. I agree that aonsirlerinM the difficult yean which have been tided over with the help of t'he sale of silver and taking into a.ccount the replenishment of the Currency Reserve by gold, as also thtl interest that has been earned 01' 88.V't'd on the proceeds, the deal was not quite a I. ad one. It is useless to rake up here the episode of the transaction over the token payment of the British Govern- ment's war debt to the United 8tatcs of America. In any case, frankly t!pP.&king, w(' find it extremely hard to reconeile ourllelves to the views of title Government here in the face of expert non-official opinion to the effect that the sale of surpl1lf1 rupeeR, either today or in tm- Df~ar future, would invo)w substantial lO8l!e1'l as " the silver was bought for coining at· prioes much higher than these now ruling". And J tbink the loss talked of here is llomethiDg Jnore real than .. the book I08S " referred to in Government's Memorandum attached to tme ReRerve Bank Rill. It is also feared tha.t as silver commandll the confidence of the maM of people the Currency Authority will ha.ve perforce to buy silver again at a higher price in the event of an unexpected demand for rupee coins. The Silver Redemption Reserve foreshadowt..'Ci in the afON- said Memorandum may however be regarded as somewhat of a safeguud. against undue sales of silver. There ie, Sir. the argument that an improvement in the course of world'. trade is much better a consideration than any apparent advantage with regard. to silver. But he would be a very bold man who could say that this Agree- ..,. would teBd. te the increase of India's purchasing power. We have also Ileudit said that this Apeemeni will promote interna.tional cooper&tioa and 1vi1l in putieuu.rlletter oar _tiona with the United States of Ameri•• Sir, .. we .., in SOJbe deapa.iI' abBut G\V fut~re. and as it is indispensa.~ 1iIIaI; eome ...urea aut be ,oooeerted. tl> sell a.broad 9ur jute. cotton, oll~...... , .... ill. greater quntitiee aDCl at lli&ber prices. we Jive on ill the dista.zl.~ Hpe ta.t AtIU'ica at leMt will do Uil a good turn in a spirit of recipr~ity h;. oreriDg jute in abund&D.t ClU&lltit·ie6ihereafter. But the point is stiU there ta..t the Pale of so-called .. aurplus silver" may f8.cilitate the flight of .. dish.. ailver .. also. If, however, tilere is any real surplus of silver, r should like it te .be utiWed in the best way poilsihle to relieve the acute distress of those ia tee cotu*y that are suftering the moat on account of the economic depNs.ioa. TaB HOlfOUIU.BLB RA.I BAH.uwB LALA RAM SARAN DAS (Punjab: liOll-MuhammadaD): Sir. this being a very intricate subject, it is r~th.· ciifticuJt for a layman like me to fully deal with the points raised by my fri6n4. 1IIae Honoun.bIe llr. Taylor. I do not 0Pp080 the ratification. What I wisIi flo say ~ that the proceeds of the .silver whioh the Government of India ma.y aell under this Convention ought to be invested in gold. I do not believe ill pa.rting ..itb bunion and investment in pape!'. As far as the prophesy Rich the Honourable Mr. Taylor has ma.de t·hat by adopting this Resolution ibere w.ill.be general rise in the prices and of silver it will have the same fate .. bas been theca.se with the recent prophet'y by the Honourable the Finance Member and which time has proved to be untrue. I might mention thai when the question of an ombargo on the export of distress gold was being clistlussE:d in ~e House. the Honour.ble the Finance Member said that that .... tht: npt time for the agriculturists and othsrs who held gold to sell it. liow. Sir, after a short lapse of time we find tha.t the anticipatioM a.nd the 'ProPMsy of the Bononrable tile Finanoo :Member in that respect proved. te 'lie mil!. Tile pioes t:6 geW ve-q much appreciated. tGerea.fter and. tee . : '" . . OOtlNOlL 01' STATE. [14Tn DBO. 1983. [Rr.i Babadur LaIr. Ram Sara.n Du.] l'e8ult was that thoae who sold gold then realised that if they had waited aoc1' Bold the gold later they would have gained much. However, Sir, I want to press upon the Finance Department that the proceeds from sales which they might make of Indian silver ought not to be invested in paper but in bullion. THB HONOURABLE RAT BAHADUR LALA. MATHURA PRASAD MEHROTRA (United Provinces Central: Non·MUhammadan) : Sir, we Gn this side of the House are very thankful to you for putting !!ome questiolUl ~o my friend Mr. Taylor and eliciting many points wbkh we would have asked from him. But a8 the Lender of the Opposit.ion has just said, this qUE'stion is, very intricate and we on this fide of the House are not in a position to grasp thOile important issues which may be involved from the international point Gf view. For us there are two very simple qUf'BtiODS on which we would like my friend Mr. Taylor to satisfy us. The qUel!tion that arises in our mind is whether the effect of this Agreement would be harmful or beneficial in the interests of the agriculturist. THE HONOURABLE THE PRESIDENT: Order, order. He said that it would be helpful in maintaining stability in the oountry in the matter of eilver prices. THE HONOURABLE RAJ BAHADUR LA-LA MATHURAPRASAD MEHROTRA: Sir, I wanted to undeJ'lltand whether the prices of the agri. cultural products will rise as the effect of this Agreement and therefore I have put this question. Secondly, the point of view from which I will judge the result of this Agreement is whether, whatever the quantity of silver which haa been left With the millions of people of this country will fetch higher prices or will go down still further. As my friend the Leader ~f the Opposition baa just 8tated, in the case of gold the people were led to believe then that the prices of gold would still go down but what we find is that the prices have enormously increased and now the people who gave away their gold thinking that it may fet.ch less price, are 80rry for having done so. Enormous quanti. ties of gold have been exported. Now, what we find is that the silver iH going to meet the same fa.te. During the last ten years, that is from 1920 to 1930, I find that about 320 crore.'! of silver were export.ed every year. In 1931·32 it suddenly fell to 135 crores but I believe t.hat was due more or leRs to the export of gold that the prices fell. So, Sir, these are two very pertinent questions 80 fa.r 80S India is concerned. We all know that the great Economic Conference tha.t met, on which India was rep.resented, achieved nothing but this ~reement on Silver concerning the eastern countries. But, Sir, 80 far as the mternal question of India is concerned, we would certainly like to know the policy of the Government in this matter. We are certainly of opinion that both gold and silver should be kept in stock as much as possible. America. is doing the same a.nd is hoarding as muoh gold and silver as she cr.n. I do not know why, if that policy is good for that country, it should not be good for our own. Then, Sir, Mr. Taylor referred in his speech to the Resolution that I moved in Septembel' about the 8ale of silver, when many questioDl' were asked on this side of the HOUI!e and my friend laid that they would come up in oonnection with the ratification of the Silver .Agreement. Sir, I would Cl8rta.inJy Jay once JDOrt, emphaaia on thepoiilt that I made then, that if Government is going to sell silver or give Irilver to America. or any other country :ltATlJ'lOATIOlr 01' TBB SILVD AGRBBlIBN'l'. 461 -in payment of their war debt, they must certamiy take the Finance Com- mittee into their confidence and then they ought to 00IJ1e -fol' rs.tification before the Legislatnres. That point I will certi.inly lay emphasis on. I shall not oppose this Resolution but shall feel gratified if my Honours.bIe friend Mr. TaylOl' will give answers to the questions that I have raised for out satisfaction. *TUE HONOURABLE SIB. KURMA VENKATA REDDI (Madras, Nominated Non-Offioial): Sir, a.s far as I have been able to understand the trend of the disoussion in this Hous& I find that there is no sorious objection to the acceptance of this motion but that one or two qUefitiOIll! have been raised whioh perhap.o;I can be answered by rIle, if I may. The question has beon l'aised whether this Agreement would in any way help us, help the agrioulturists of this oOllDtry, in raising the level of prices. We all know, we all deplore, that the prices today are so very low indeed that utter misery prevaiI~ in this oountry. But unfortunately the condition of the prices ha.s nothing to do with tbe gold stores or the silver stores or with the sales of these oommodities_ They do not depend upon these any more than upon the ratio question whioh ha.!' been 80 muoh trotted out in this country by persons who are in commercial circles. I think. Sir, I can claim with llome authoritv to represent the community of a!ll'icultul'ists Boll I myse1foome from that com. munity. No doubt Providence willed that I should be in some other pr-:>fession. but millions and millions of my community are the tillers of the soil and are labouring in the- fields. I deplore the lowering of these prices as much 0.8 anybody does. But I maintain that this polioy of selling silver or gold has nothing to do with the level of prices. Rir, gold and silver have been invest- ments in our oountry.Whereas in Europea.n countries- they invest their momes in companies, in ·stOcks, in gilt-edged secUrities, we in . India. have .contracted the habit of investing in gold and in silver and though in our school days, in our younger cia.ys, we were told that the hoarding of gold in this country was 8i grea.t calamity, recent events have shown that the hoarding of gold Was not such a grave mist&~e at all (Hear, hear) for our people have been able to sell them a.t a price whioh they never contemplated when they bought this gold. Men Who bought sovereigns at Rs. 10. Rs_ 12, or B.s .. 15 have been now able to sell t.hem at &s. 20 and more and thereby tided over the crisis with which this oountry has been visited of late. The lower prices ·of commodities is a world calamity due to this ~at. world depression. The horrid war and the still horrid peace treatics are responsible for the present condition of the world. In no country in Europe do wo find anything like satisfaotion or economic happiness and the unhappine~s and the depression of Europe has spread its wings over the rest of the world, and we have oome under those wings because of the misery which was the result of those causes. Financiers and economists will have to devise means other than preventing us from selling our gold or silver and I do not think that any economist or financier will be able to help U8 in this matter by reserving gold with us and with our Government. As has heen said by the Honourable Member in oharge of this motion, there is a large quantity of silver in the country and I am gla.d that this Agreement binds only the Governments and does not prevent Indians from selling the silver that they bve in their homes, and if as it is hoped this Agreement stabilises the value of silver in the world, a great service would tea.lly have ~ done for these poorer olasses who ha.ve hoarded silver and zetained silver in their homes. • Speech DOt corrected by the Honourable Member. ~ .OO~~~ o~ }A'1'-\'f~. . {I4m Dao. 1988 . .{Sir J{u~a Ye~~~~.,.~~i.J ~eJUlxt TIm HONOURABLE THE PRESIDENT: I oongrat~fie the HOPGurable _~ber on his exce~Jlt lIlaiden speeoh in this .HouSe ~y. . . TIUI HONOUlWtLE .JrIB. J. B. TAYLOR : air, the Jut speaker baa gone 10 ellhaustively ~rough the various advanta.ges whioh will aClcrue tl) .the Government of ;Ind!& through .tim Agreement and has dealt 10 fully.with ,the various points in the very friendly mticism of those who found various .points to criticise, that I have very little to say. There are, however, three .points which I would like to piok up from Sir Kurma Reddi's speech. In fihe first place, the Honourable Lala Ram Raran .Dss li1&id that I was prophesy- ing a riee in tho price of silver. Sir, I refuse to prophesy about anythiDg IIld still less would I propbesy about silver. What I did say was that thiB Afp-eement would enable the Government of India to diapoee of its silver at • 'higher price th&!l it othorwUJe ,,'Ould, and in that very guarded form I th.iak the remark is almost .solf-obvious. Then, Sir, he went on to aJJege .some occasion, I doDGt know when, on whioh the Honourable Fina.nce.Membel' similarly indulged in a prophesy about gold. I do not know when he gave .this advice to people to sell gold on the ground that lit would fall later. But :ill 6QY oase, 80 far as I can remember the price of gold roee to about Rs. 81 • tola in December, 1931, and with minor fluctuations has remained theIe .ever sinoe. So even if that advice was given, and I have ,nonoolleot.ion .• it, I thinktbat anybody who at1lhat time turned an invstment ciI. gola .;iMo an ,inVMWn8nt in,GoVe1"IlIII6ot of India securities would'have foond ihat _ pr06.ted very handso.lll{)ly by the change. TIm HONOUBABLE R.u ,BAJlADUB LALA RAM SA-RAN DAB: Did not told ~ to lts.32 a tola and even more than that andtOltch ~. 33 1 ''lKE HONORABLE MB.. J. ,B. TAYL()R: It may have risen slighlllt .1Ioft Re. 32. ;It is now, I t~, 'RR. &1.8-0, and ~at, in oompa.~on·~ • previous price of RA. 21, is so ma.teri~l & rise that I do not th~~~• .ftunumons affect the qU8!'tion. The main point in any cue is that as ~ardB 8;Dver this Agreement will enabte. not only the Govetnment of India to • at a higher prioe than it otherwise would ,but, much more important, th~ it ·will aMble the agrioulturist and other people in India whohoa.rd sUver to dispose of it it they po desire at a higber price than would have been poBBibie otherwise. That I think has been very olearly brought out by Sir Kurnia Reddi. TmI HONOURABLE RAt BAHADUR LALA RAM SARAN DAR: I would like to know whether since this deal the price of agricultural produoe has gone down ~ THE HONOURABLE MR. J. B. TAYLOR: I am afraid that I was not ,~U88ing the price of agricultura.l produce but the case of tho man who lVished ~Q Wl ~Uv.. ;r "m a.fraid one cannot wic;l~n th,is discussiqn to cov~ th,e wh* ,realm of. cw.rency. What we are discussing is the Agreement to aeIl .&ilVtl" aa.l ,the eeoond point raised is the method in .which the proceeds should ... invested. Here, Sir, I must ask this House not to confuse the issue, and h~ apin I am particularly thankful to Sir Kur~ _~~i for P1Jt~~ tl;l.~ issues OOtJNotL or -8'l"A'l'B.-·· - . ·;···[14m DBa. 1988. [Mr. J. B. Taylor.] very clearly before the House. The question. of Sblling silver is one thing and the question of the method in which the proceeds should be invested is another. We are turning what is an unrea.Uzable asset into something realiz· able and the manner in which it should be invested is one which must be considered when we are discussing the manner in which the reserves of the Government of India generally should be held. That is a question whioh will come before this House shortly in connection with the Reserve Bank Bill. The Reserve Bank Bill provides t.hat the currency investments of the Government of India shall be held in a. certain way. H Members feel that the provipion for holding gold or sterling secnrities or anything else iR in· .adequate, they can raise the point in that connection. But before you can arra.nge your reservflS you muRt sell something which will enable you to acquire them; and that is the stage at which I would like to leave thVi particular point, that is to say, to make it clear that we are selling an unrealizable a.!II!et 80 as to give. OUI'Relves freedom of action to dispose of the proceeds. Finally, Sir, the Honourable Lala Mathura Prll.!lad Mehrotra asked for the approval of the LegMature. J think that I discuued that question at :CODBidera.ble lengt.h when we last dealt with this question and I pointed out the two sepamteaspects of the qU8@tion. In the first place, as regards individual tranB&Otions secreoy is eRSential because silver is a highly specu1&tive QOIIlmodity and it would be unthinkable that on each occasion we should come up for approval by the Legislature or a Standing Committee of the Legislature before effecting a particular deal. On the other hand, as regards the general policy there is no question of our not bt,ing willing to put our policy before the Legislature t,o seek ita approval. That is what I am doing now with this present Resolution. One aspect of it, a much wider aspect of· it will oome before this House shortly 1D connection with the Reserve Bank Bill. In that Bill there is a provision fof a certain holding of silver as a l'6!Ierve and provisions for interchange of silver between the Reserve. Bank and Govern· ment. In addition Government was asked by the London Committt e on t,he ReservE' Bank to examine the question of the diPposa.l of surplus !"Uver and the ·realiz&.tion of the proceeds generally, and we have prepared a Memorandum on that quest.ion whioh is attached to the Report of the Joint Committt'fl on the Reservt Bank Bill which is now 00 the table of thiP Houee. This Hous~ will be given'" full opportunity then to discuss that aspect of the silver problem and the whole question ·of the amount of t'ilver which it considers should be held as a reserve for the internal security of the currency. Sir, I think that I have answered all thr£e points and can confidently recommend this Resolution to the House. Sir, I move. THlD HONOURABLE TIlE PRESIDENT: The question Vi: II That the following RelOlution be adopted: , That this CouDcilreot>mmends to the Governor ~oeral in Counell that he do ratif7 the • Memorandum of Beads of Agreement entered into by the Delegatea of India, ChiJIa .and 8pain 118 hoidel'll of large stock. or u_of silver, and. of Australia, Canada, the United .-8tatee, Mexico and Peru 118 priDcipal prodUCeD of ailver,at the lI40aetary and Eoonomio ,{)oDiereDOe held in London, July 1933 ' •• ' The motion w&. adopted. RESOLUTION RE NON-RATIFICATION AND NON-ACCEPTANCE OF rHE DRAFT CONVENTION AND RECOMMENDATION CON. CERNING FEE CHARGING EMPLOYMENT AGENCIES ADOPl'ED AT THE SEVENTEENTH SESSION OF THE INTERNATIONAL LABOUR CONFERENCE. THE HONOURABLE MR. D. G. MITCHELL (Industries and Labour Secretary): Sir, I move : . " That this Council, having considered the Draft Convention and the Uecommenda- tion conc.orning fcc charging omployment agencies adopted at the Sflventoenth Session of the Int,(~rnational Labour Conference, recommend" to the Governor General in Council that he Rhould not ratify the Draft, Com'ention nor IWlCl'pt the Re<',ommendatioll." Sir, the Seventeent.h SesRion of the International Labour Conference Was opened on the 8th June of this year by the Chairman of the Governing Body of the International Labour Office, Sir Atul Chatterjee, who was the leader of the Indian Delegation and Wa.Il at one t,ime a Member of this HouBe; Sir Atu)'s connection with the Intunat.ional Labour Conference began in 1919 and since then his share in ita deliberations has been more than usually important, for he has held practically every high office from President down· wards which it iF! within the power of that body to confer upon any Delt'lgate. He haR been an inva.luable emissa.ry to India. His wide knowledge of affa.irs- not only of India.n affairs-his moderation, his cogenoy and his eloquence within the Coqncil rooms of tbe Conference have given him an international reputation which has been strengthened by his· kindly personality in the more hltimate social oontacts which occur even in such an austere body as the International Labour Conference. Sir, I am sure that this ,House joins with me in giving our sincere thanks ·to S.ir Atlll for his great 86rvioes at -Geneva.. Sir, the Draft Convention 'We are now considering opens with a definition of fee charging employment agencies, which it divides 1 P.III. into two classes-those which are conducted with " view to profit and t.hose which are not conducted with a view to profit. The first c1a.ss-thosewhich are conduct.cd with a view to profit-a.re to be o.boliNhad within three years from the date of ratification and during that period a.re to be subject to official supervision and to have their scales of charges officially approved. No new agency of this description may be established during those three years. The second class-i.e., agencies which are not conducted with a view to profit-will hav(, to be licensed, will have their scales of charges subjected to maximum rates and will otherwise be subject to official control. J:, The Recommendation which is attached to the Convention urges Members to adapt their free public employment agencies to the needs of those ocoupa- tions in which recourse is often had to the s"rvices of fee charging employ- ment agencies. Honourable Members will see tha.t the Conv(·ntion and the Recommenda- tion are supplementary, and taken togeth~r contemplate the e~tablishm~nt within three yt,ars of a system of free pubhc employment agenClt'lS covermg a large part of the induptrial field. In otht;r wonk, the Stat('l is very shortly, .to assume responsiLility for the organisation of the labour ma.rket in India.' Sir, there is little likelihood of free public agencies being established or _panded to the extent contemplated by the Convt'ntion and the ~m. mendation within the J:!,ext three years. This means that, if we ratify the Convention, we must abolish within thr e years all agencies which are run ( 4!\5 ) COUNOIL OF STATE. [14TH D.,. 1983;.. '(Mr; D. -G. Mik.,1.J _profit, .rid the .}tlaoiag oUabounrill then 'be ve y la:rgely OOJdined ,.,.~. ~ble ag~e* ",hiph are. ~t 1'l1Jl fer p1'Jlit. ,'l'~ "IJlS·to be, PO .juati.· ~cation .for such a drastic step in I~dia at p~sen~. We are a~ aware that .buaeshave occurred, and we shall all Bympathl8e W1tb any practteable aeheme for preventing the exploita.tion of the poor la.bourerby dielteneat anQ selfish men. But OCCPaional abu~ notwithsta.nding, private employment agencieB run for profit do render useful services to the working popl1la.tion of India, and Government is unable to agree that they should be a.bolished entirely simply in order to avoid occa.sional abuse. Nor does Govemment agree ,that these' .ncies are not ontitled to a reasonable remuneration for the services rendered by thfm. Some sympathy could be' expressed for a proposal to forbid the Qharging Qf .fees to labourers, hut even if such a course were practicable- whiQP is doubtful-an incomplete .cheme ,of this kind would not be sufficient to epable us t. ratify the Con.vcm.tion. To .UBI up. the Cenvention and the Recommendaiion are ioo drastio anfl tOe GoverDment ask this Houae to agree that they Iho1l1d net be aooepted. Sir, I move. lll~ motion was a.dopted. ~UTION lIE NOlf·RAff-IFICA'l'ION AND NON-AOOEPTANOE ()P 'rHE DRAFT CONVENTIONS.AND RECOMMENDATION CONcERN- 1NG INVALIDITY, ,OlJ)-,AGEAND WIDOWS' .AND ,ORPHANS' lINSURAlrICE ADOPTED AT THE il-EVEtfTEEN'l'H~1i GI' 'raE INTERNATIONAL LABOUR CONFERENCE. :r"B HOliOURABU Ma. D. G. MITCHELL (Induatties .and L.bour ~y): Sir. I Qlove: , .. That ,tliill Council-having colUlidered the Draft CoODventiGINI and the Recommenda- tion concemiP8 inv!Uidity, old-age aud wido,"' _d,~haD8' iueurance a&lpted at U. Seventeenth Sel!8ion of the International Labour Con(erence, recommeods to the Gover- bOt General in C01lDCil tbat he ehou1d not ratify thfl Draft Conventioae not aoeejlt the &econ:maeadatlan.' , g"nol,lrable Mem' ere wi\! ha.ve received copies of the Conventioi.l8&D4 of the Recommendation, and also of the Report of the Indian Delegate8l&t; Geneva, hut they will pardon me if I give a brief summary of the Conve!i~ tiOft8 as an introduction to my remM'ke. They may be divided into two groupB of three, one group reltLting to pereons employed in hldu8tri&l .. commercial undertakings, in the liben.:.l professions, and to out-worlten! anti irmaeetie servanta ; the other group I"Olatmg to per&OJU employed in agrioul- twal undertakings. Ea.cb~up oi tltrw OOIUliate 01 a ConvenUcm relatiue to OOl-age pensions, a ConventiGorelating to peneioua for workel'B ..&0 00001II& perJIl8.nently incapa.citated by ill-health and a. Convention relating to penaiooa for the widows and orphans of wc.rkers. Taken altogether, the Conventione ~k to set up a comprehensive insurance scheme, covering workers of almost ~Vf!ry kind except f:eamen, UIl' er which the \\-orker will secure a. pension.j~ JP..s old age, a. pens.ion if he should become J.ermanenUy incapadtatcd and whereby his \rife and his , hi1d~n \\'iII receive pensions if be pn deceases them. The varj.ous sChemes arc to I)Et fully contrjlJutory, i.e., the peJiodi{ll.l] aYJl1('I1ta, tequi~ t9 build up the MCes£aryflJIldsl are .to 'be fbltted bY t!te ~~Io~e!. the e41I,loyfle 8JldJfie State. 'lhe .old-age rens1pfts o.r~ to, begjD .not ~ ttlftfl t1i~ age C1f .6~, 'liD arphlJllB are to be ~Itle,d to telkd UP. f~f i~e •.C)~ 1+~ ~ . " " . . . ' 'WON-BA'l'II'ICi.1'loN AND NON-AodIt>TiWoB' ctr '!fiE DRAFT CONVBNTIONS .' AND Rl!.OO)/lMENDATION CONOJlBNINQ INVALIDITY, fiC., I~SUBA~CE. I ''Die v.ariea.,.:peru:ioas or alla.nees .... to be· paid· on B 8CI&1e fNffioient· to me. tbeennntiM needs'of the nIOipient. Such, itt'brief,is this very sweeping scheme. 'lhere is nodotihtth'ati"'ft· iIi'ntOet des~ble tha.n-he s~helnesho1tld he adopted in those' countrielJ'w!teiW labour and fu;l.a.ncia.l' consideration'S' render it feasible; hut my content9~'itt tha.t I hase conditions do' not prevail in India; just yet. It W1I.sin accordari~ wtth this view that our Dcleg&tes at Oe:deV& took up a' neutral attitude' ana ~inedfrom voting in the 'final stages (If t~ discussions. I do not th. I need go into the scheme in greater detail in: 'order to convinoe Honourable- Members th'a.t it is quite unBUited to Indian conditions at present, hut I deei~ to place before them some indication of th\~ difficulties and' the anontaHeir w1rieh lie in its way. . Let me take up first the administrative o"culties involved. To begiil with, oonsidel'thc stage where the worker is wor~ actively. Every rna", Will ha.ve to keep, or have kept for him, some kind of docket showing h'w pt!riodical payments and those by his employers. This, in itself, win not b& ~BY, for the vast majority of the men concerned will he illiterate and will not be fully a.cquainted· with the contents in detail of their books. Tn certain highly organised industries, where the worker lives all the yesI' round clOse to his work, the difficulties will perhaps only be of a routine nature; but'lIo& a special instance take the very common cast' in India of the seasonal faetory, which works for six months in the year, closes down for the remaining sir months and then re-Opens again probably with a different set of workers. Dm1IIg the clese sea.BOIr' tft." work... go .... to their ~, SOMe to .work .. &gricultural la bo\Wen, otbers to ouItivate their own holdings. 1.ab th'e ~ of the man who goes back &nd cultivates his OWB holding. InBO far IMr ke i. a ·rvot he will not COme' UIltiM· the Conventions and will not be entitW tea pension ohny kind. In 80 far 8S he is a worker in a seasonal fa.ctory he entitled. Is he then to gMhalf pil!lD.sion or is he to dOUble his eoD'trj<;· .be1Ntion" 1.hat is only an indieation of one ofthcntiflieultiee which witl'crop ~ ill India. 'uke now the a8ricnltural population'. All we all know, the ryot is as poor a man as the industria.l labourer. It wiD bf. a BO~&t aMmalOUB thing if the labourer 'drawiRg solDewhere about· Bs: 150'a' year iIt ,to reoeive this relief whereas· the poor ryot who ma.&es no more Rnd wht'Jl& need ie, jQllt &8 great, will receive no ,relieiwha.t.eoover. Ma.ny other diffioulUstJ ,specia.l to ladia will occur if thlI soIaeme is adopted: as one instance only, tMiethe oa.se of-the village servant who receives his rem1Uleration from twPA' CMltitator. in the vil.ga. 1- caaot imagm. any system under which tht; ·(If)Ilmbw.u.on fl'Om his employers could be reooveredi Letl.us COl'fte t,o,the stage where'the worker has' retited'or is sick or Tn HON011BA.BLE TIlE PRESIDENT: I am sorry. You will be- supplied with a copy of the report. STATEMENT OF BUSINESS. THE HONO'l1BABLE KHAN BAllADtrB M:rA.N Sm FAZL-l-HUSAIN (Leader of the House): Owing, Sir, to the unexpectedly protracted nature of the debate elsewhere on the Reserve Bank Bill, the only business not included in today's agenda. of which the Council will be asked to dispose before dispersing is the Tariff Bill which has been laid on the; table today. The Reserve Bank Bill and the Bill to amend the Imperial Bank Act, assuming them to be passed by the other House, will be proceeded with in this Council at the commencement of the next ordinary session. In case Honourable Members think that they have been treated with a lack of consideration in being brought to Delhi for the transaction of so scanty a volume of business, I may inform them that it would in any ca.se have been necessary to hold the present meetings of this Council for the purpose of dis~ing of the Tariff Bill, the early enactment of which is urgently required in the interests of the public revenues. I think, Sir, that in the circumstances Honourable Members will probably wi£h to be in a position to leave Delhi as soon as possibld, and I would suggest that the Bill which has been laid on the table today nUght be ta.ken with one day's curta.ilment of the normal period of notice on Satur- day next. THE HONo11BA.BLE THE PRESIDENT: In view of the c.ircumstances stated by the Honourable the Leader of the House I have decided to suspend the Standing Orders and the Rules of Business and to take up the Tariff Bill on Sa.turday next. As regards any amendments which Honourable Members may like to submit, I will permit them being forwarded to the Office till 5 P.M. tomorrow. The Council then adjourned till Eleven of the Clock on Saturday, the 16th December, 1933.