Volume III Tuesday No. 5 21st June, 1966
PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES)
OFFICIAL REPORT THIRD SESSION OF THE SECOND PARLIAMENT OF MALAYSIA CONTENTS ADMINISTRATION OF OATH [Col. 997] ANNOUNCEMENT BY MR SPEAKER: Welcome to the Honourable Tun Datu Mustapha bin Datu Harun [Col. 998] ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS [Col. 999] ADJOURNMENT SINE DIE (Motion) [Col. 1032] BILLS: The Societies (Amendment) Bill [Col. 1032] The Employees Provident Fund (Amendment) Bill [Col. 1034] The Loan (International Tin Buffer Stock) Bill [Col. 1036] The Exchange Control (Amendment) Bill [Col. 1038] The External Loans (Amendment) Bill [Col. 1043] The Extended Credit Bill [Col. 1047] The Asian Development Bank Bill [Col. 1049] The Loan (Local) (Amendment) Bill [Col. 1054] The Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka (Amendment) Bill [Col. 1060] The Midwives Bill [Col. 1066] The Local Government Elections (Amendment) Bill (Col. 1078] The Control of Rent (Amendment) Bill [Col. 1080] The Continental Shelf Bill [Col. 1106] The Petroleum Mining Bill [Col. 1108] ADJOURNMENT SPEECH— Exemption of Toll on Motor Cycles (Slim River/Tanjong Malim) [Col. 1111.]
DI-CHETAK DI-JABATAN CHETAK KERAJAAN OLEH THOR BENG CHONG, A.M.N., PENCHETAK KERAJAAN KUALA LUMPUR 1967 MALAYSIA DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) Official Report
Third Session of the Second Dewan Ra'ayat
Tuesday, 21st June, 1966 The House met at 10 o'clock a.m.
PRESENT: The Honourable Mr Speaker, DATO' CHIK MOHAMED YUSUF BIN SHEIKH ABDUL RAHMAN, S.P.M.P., J.P., Dato' Bendahara, Perak. the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence, Minister of National and Rural Development, TUN HAJI ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N. (Pekan). the Minister of Home Affairs and Minister of Justice, TUN DR ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, S.S.M., P.M.N. (Johor Timor). the Minister of Finance, TUAN TAN SIEW SIN, J.P. (Melaka Tengah). the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, TAN SRI V. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N. (Sungei Siput). the Minister of Transport, TAN SRI HAJI SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR, P.M.N. (Pontian Utara). the Minister of Health, TUAN BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah). the Minister for Welfare Services, TUAN HAJI ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HAJI SAKHAWAT ALI KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang). the Minister for Local Government and Housing, TUAN KHAW KAI-BOH, PJ.K. (Ulu Selangor). the Minister of Labour, TUAN V. MANICKAVASAGAM, J.M.N., P.J.K. (Klang). the Minister of Information and Broadcasting and Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports, TUAN SENU BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Kubang Pasu Barat). the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, TUAN HAJI MOHAMED GHAZALI BIN HAJI JAWI (Ulu Perak). the Minister of Lands and Mines, TUAN ABDUL-RAHMAN BIN YA'KUB (Sarawak). the Assistant Minister of National and Rural Development, TUAN SULAIMAN BIN BULON, P.J.K., (Bagan Datoh). the Assistant Minister of Culture, Youth and Sports, DATO' ENGKU MUHSEIN BIN ABDUL KADIR, J.M.N., S.M.T., P.J.K, (Trengganu Tengah). 991 21 JUNE 1966 992 The Honourable the Assistant Minister of Education, TUAN LEE SIOK YEW, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Sepang). the Assistant Minister of Finance, DR NG KAM POH, J.P. (Telok Anson). the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Health, TUAN IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah). the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Labour, TUAN LEE SAN CHOON, K.M.N. (Segamat Selatan). the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance, TUAN ALI BIN HAJI AHMAD (Pontian Selatan). the Parliamentary Secretary to the Deputy Prime Minister, TUAN CHEN WING SUM (Damansara). TUAN ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAK, A.M.N. (Melaka Utara). TUAN ABDUL KARIM BIN ABU, A.M.N. (Melaka Selatan). WAN ABDUL KADIR BIN ISMAIL, P.P.T. (Kuala Trengganu Utara). TUAN HAJI ABDUL RASHID BIN HAJI JAIS (Sabah). TUAN ABDUL RAZAK BIN HAJI HUSSIN (Lipis). TUAN ABDUL SAMAD BIN GUL AHMAD MIANJI (Pasir Mas Hulu). Y.A.M. TUNKU ABDULLAH IBNI AL-MARHUM TUANKU ABDUL RAHMAN, P.P.T. (Rawang). TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI MOHD. SALLEH, A.M.N., S.MJ., P.I.S. (Segamat Utara). TUAN HAJI ABU BAKAR BIN HAMZAH (Bachok). TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH (Kelantan Hilir). TUAN AHMAD BIN ARSHAD, A.M.N. (Muar Utara). TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN SA'AID, J.P. (Seberang Utara). PUAN AJIBAH BINTI ABOL (Sarawak). DR AWANG BIN HASSAN, S.MJ. (Muar Selatan). TUAN AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam). TUAN JONATHAN BANGAU ANAK RENANG, A.B.S. (Sarawak). PENGARAH BANYANG ANAK JANTING, P.B.S. (Sarawak). TUAN CHAN CHONG WEN, A.M.N. (Kluang Selatan). TUAN CHAN SEONG YOON (Setapak). TUAN CHAN SIANG SUN, P.J.K. (Bentong). TUAN CHEW BIOW CHUON (Bruas). TUAN FRANCIS CHIA NYUK TONG (Sabah). TUAN CHIN FOON (Ulu Kinta). TUAN C V. DEVAN NAIR (Bungsar). TUAN D. A. DAGO ANAK RANDAN alias DAGOK ANAK RANDEN (Sarawak). TUAN SYED ESA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., S.MJ., P.I.S. (Batu Pahat Dalam). DATIN HAJJAH FATIMAH BINTI HAJI ABDUL MAJID (Johor Bahru Timor). 993 21 JUNE 1966 994
The Honourable TAN SRI FATIMAH BINTI HAJI HASHIM, P.M.N. (Jitra-Padang Terap). TUAN GANING BIN JANGKAT (Sabah). TUAN GEH CHONG KEAT, K.M.N. (Penang Utara). TUAN HAJI HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Kapar). TUAN HANAFI BIN MOHD. YUNUS, A.M.N., J.P. (Kulim Utara). TUAN HANAFIAH BIN HUSSAIN, A.M.N. (Jerai). TUAN HARUN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N. J.P. (Baling). WAN HASSAN BIN WAN DAUD (Tumpat). TUAN STANLEY HO NGUN KHIU, A.D.K. (Sabah). TUAN HUSSEIN BIN TO' MUDA HASSAN, A.M.N. (Raub). DATO' HAJI HUSSEIN BIN MOHD. NOORDIN, D.P.M.P., A.M.N., P.J.K. (Parit). TUAN HUSSEIN BIN SULAIMAN (Ulu Kelantan). TUAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJI SAMAN (Kota Bharu Hulu). TUAN ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan). TAN SRI SYED JA'AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, P.M.N. (Johor Tenggara). PENGHULU JINGGUT ANAK ATTAN, Q.M.C, A.B.S. (Sarawak). TUAN KAM WOON WAH, J.P. (Sitiawan). TUAN THOMAS KANA (Sarawak). TUAN LEE SECK FUN, K.M.N. (Tanjong Malim). TUAN AMADEUS MATHEW LEONG, A.D.K., J.P. (Sabah). DR MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMAD (Kota Star Selatan). TUAN T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.P. (Port Dickson). DATO' DR HAJI MEGAT KHAS, D.P.M.P., J.P., P.J.K. (Kuala Kangsar). DATO' MOHAMED ASRI BIN HAJI MUDA, S.P.M.K. (Pasir Puteh). TUAN MOHD. DAUD BIN ABDUL SAMAD (Besut). TUAN MOHAMED IDRIS BIN MATSIL, J.M.N., P.J.K., J.P. (Jelebu-Jempol). TUAN MOHD. TAHIR BIN ABDUL MAJID, S.M.S., P.J.K. (Kuala Langat). TUAN MOHAMED YUSOF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N. (Temerloh). TUAN MOHD. ZAHIR BIN HAJI ISMAIL, J.M.N. (Sungai Patani). WAN MOKHTAR BIN AHMAD (Kemaman). TUAN HAJI MOKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan). TUAN MUHAMMAD FAKHRUDDIN BIN HAJI ABDULLAH (Pasir Mas Hilir). TUAN HAJI MUHAMMAD SU'AUT BIN HAJI MUHD. TAHIR, A.B.S. (Sarawak). TUN MUSTAPHA BIN DATU HARUN, S.M.N. (Sarawak). DATO' HAH MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI ABDUL JABAR, D.P.M.S., A.M.N., J.P. (Sabak Bernam). TUAN MUSTAPHA BIN AHMAD (Tanah Merah). 995 21 JUNE 1966 996 The Honourable TUAN NG FAH YAM (Batu Gajah). TUAN HAJI OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Hilir Perak). TUAN OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N. (Perlis Utara). TUAN HAJI RAHMAT BIN HAJI DAUD, A.M.N. (Johor Bahru Barat). TUAN RAMLI BIN OMAR (Krian Darat). TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HAJI MOHD. SAID, P.J.K., J.P. (Rembau-Tampin). RAJA ROME BIN RAJA MA'AMOR, P.J.K., J.P. (Kuala Selangor). TUAN SANDOM ANAK NYUAK (Sarawak). TUAN SEAH TENG NGIAB, P.I.S. (Muar Pantai). TUAN D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (Ipoh). TUAN SIOW LOONG HIN, P.J.K. (Seremban Barat). TUAN SENAWI BIN ISMAIL, P.J.K. (Seberang Selatan). TUAN SOH AH TECK (Batu Pahat). TUAN SULAIMAN BIN ALI (Dungun). TUAN SULAIMAN BIN HAJI TAIB (Krian Laut). PENGIRAN TAHIR PETRA (Sabah). TUAN TAJUDDIN BIN ALI, P.J.K. (Larut Utara). TUAN TAI KUAN YANG (Kulim Bandar Bharu). DR TAN CHEE KOON (Batu). TUAN TAN CHENG BEE, J.P. (Bagan). TUAN TAN TOH HONG (Bukit Bintang). TUAN TIAH ENG BEE (Kluang Utara). TUAN HAJI ZAKARIA BIN HAJI MOHD. TAIB, P.J.K. (Langat).
ABSENT: The Honourable the Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs, Y.T.M. TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN PUTRA AL-HAJ. K.O.M. (Kuala Kedah). the Minister of Education, TUAN MOHAMED KHIR JOHARI (Kedah Tengah). the Minister of Commerce and Industry, DR LIM SWEE AUN, J.P. (Larut Selatan). the Minister for Sarawak Affairs, TAN SRI TEMENGGONG JUGAH ANAK BARIENG, P.M.N., P.D.K. (Sarawak). the Assistant Minister without Portfolio, TUAN HAJI ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN (Kota Star Utara). WAN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN DATU TUANKU BUJANG, A.B.S. (Sarawak). TUAN ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB, P.J.K. (Kuantan). DATO' ABDULLAH BIN ABDULRAHMAN, Dato' Bijaya di-Raja (Kuala Trengganu Selatan). O. K. K. DATU ALIUDDIN BIN DATU HARUN, P.D.K. (Sabah). TUAN CHIA CHIN SHIN, A.B.S. (Sarawak). TUAN EDWIN ANAK TANGKUN (Sarawak). TUAN S. FAZUL RAHMAN, A.D.K. (Sabah). 997 21 JUNE 1966 998
The Honourable DATU GANIE GILONG, P.D.K., J.P. (Sabah). TUAN IKHWAN ZAINI (Sarawak). TUAN KADAM ANAK KIAI (Sarawak). TUAN KHOO PENG LOONG (Sarawak). TUAN EDMUND LANGGU ANAK SAGA (Sarawak). DATO' LING BENG SIEW, P.N.B.S. (Sarawak). DR LIM CHONG EU (Tanjong). TUAN LIM KEAN SIEW (Dato Kramat). TUAN LIM PEE HUNG, P.J.K. (Alor Star). TUAN PETER LO SU YIN (Sabah). TUAN C. JOHN ONDU MAJAKIL (Sabah). TUAN JOSEPH DAVID MANJAJI (Sabah). TUAN MOHD. ARIF SALLEH, A.D.K. (Sabah). ORANG TUA MOHAMMAD DARA BIN LANGPAD (Sabah). TAN SRI NIK AHMAD KAMIL, D.K., S.P.M.K., S.J.M.K., P.M.N., P.Y.G.P., Dato' Sri Setia Raja (Kota Bharu Hilir). TUAN ONG KEE HUI (Sarawak). TUAN QUEK KAI DONG, J.P. (Seremban Timor). DATO' S. P. SEENIVASAGAM, D.P.M.P., P.M.P., J.P. (Menglembu). TUAN SIM BOON LIANG, A.B.S. (Sarawak). TUAN SNG CHIN JOO (Sarawak). TUAN TAMA WENG TINGGANG WAN (Sarawak). TUAN TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Melaka). TUAN TAN TSAK YU (Sarawak). TUAN TOH THEAM HOCK (Kampar). TUAN YEH PAO TZE (Sabah). TUAN STEPHEN YONG KUET TZE (Sarawak).
PRAYERS ANNOUNCEMENT BY (Mr Speaker in the Chair) MR SPEAKER (Attention drawn to there being noWELCOM WELCOMEE T TOO THETHE HONOUR- HONOUR quorum: Division bell rung and ABLcountE ABLETUN TUNDATU DATU MUSTAPH MUSTAPHAA taken: there still being no quorum, BIN DATUBI HARUNN DATU HARUN sitting suspended.) Mr Speaker: Ahli2 Yang Berhormat, Sitting suspended at 10.05 a.m Mr. Speaker: sayAhlia 2 sukYanga mengambiBerhormat,l peluang mengu- saya suka mengambil peluang mengu- chapkan selamat datang kapada Ahli .Sitting resumedbaharu ka-Majliat 10.15 a.m.s in chapkani ia-itu selamatYang Ber datang kapada Ahli hormabaharut Tu nka-Majlis Datu Mustaph ini ia-itua Yangbin Dat Ber-u Haruhormatn dan Tunjug aDatu menguchapka Mustapha binn Datutah- (Mr Speaker in the Chair) Harunnia hdan kapad jugaa belia menguchapkanu kerana tela htah- di- pileh oleniahh kapadaDewan beliau Perwakila keranan telahSaba di-h ADMINISTRATION OF pilehdala moleh meshuara Dewant yanPerwakilang telah di-adaka Sabahn OATH dalam meshuarapada t17h yanb Jung ,tela 1966h menjaddi-adakai Ahlni Dewan padaini menggantika17hb Jun, 1966n Datomenjadi* Kho Ahlio The following Member made and DewanSiak Che iniw yanmenggantikang telah berhent Dato'i Khoodari- pada Ahli Majlis ini. (Tepok). subscribed the Affirmation required by Siak Chew yang telah berhenti dari- law: pada Ahli Majlis ini. (Tepok). Tun Datu Mustapha bin Datu Harun. 999 21 JUNE 1966 1000 ORAL ANSWERS TO sia. Tambahan pula dasar kita ia-lah supaya negara kita ada mempunyai QUESTIONS tentera2 yang lengkap untok memper- RANCHANGAN PERUMAHAN, tahankan negara kita dengan kekuatan PEGAWAI2 KERAJAAN— kita sendiri. Berkenaan dengan cha- RUMAH2 PANGSA dangan hendak menghantar pemuda2 1. Tuan Ramli bin Omar (Krian ka-Indonesia untok mendapat latehan Darat) bertanya kapada Perdana tentera, dasar kita ia-lah hendak meng hantar orang mengambil latehan ten Menteri, memandang kapada kekura- 2 ngan Rumah2 Kerajaan dan juga kerana tera di-mana juga negeri yang di- Kerajaan telah membelanjakan banyak fikirkan patut dan menasabah, tetapi wang untok ranchangan perumahan soal hendak menghantar ka-Indonesia, Pegawai2 Kerajaan, ada-kah Kerajaan saya fikir, sangat-lah awal hendak di- berchadang hendak mendirikan rumah2 timbangkan pada waktu ini. pangsa pula bagi semua pegawai2 Kerajaan. PERJANJIAN PERTAHANAN DENGAN INDONESIA Timbalan Perdana Menteri (Tun 3. Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah Haji Abdul Razak): Tuan Yang di- bertanya kapada Menteri Pertahanan Pertua, pada masa yang sudah, Kera jika Kerajaan akan menandatangani jaan tiada banyak mendirikan rumah2 2 satu Perjanjian Pertahanan baharu pangsa bagi pegawai Kerajaan oleh dengan Indonesia menggantikan Per kerana di-dapati rumah pangsa ini janjian Pertahanan dengan Britain. tidak di-sukai oleh sa-bilangan besar 2 daripada pegawai Kerajaan. Walau Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Tuan Yang pun bagitu Kerajaan telah dan sedang 2 di-Pertua, soal hendak mengikat satu mendirikan rumah murah, termasok perjanjian pertahanan dengan Indone rumah2 pangsa, bagi di-jual kapada 2 sia sangat-lah awal untok di-pertim- orang ramai termasok pegawai Kera bangkan sekarang ini oleh sebab jaan. Kerajaan sekarang ini sedang rundingan di-antara kita dan Indonesia mengkaji satu dasar perumahan yang untok menamatkan konfrantasi belum- baharu ia-itu dasar menggalakkan lah lagi selesai. pegawai2 Kerajaan memileki rumah sendiri. Apabila dasar ini telah di- PELUANG BAGI BUMIPUTERA persetujui dan di-laksanakan, maka SARAWAK DAN BORNEO ME- tidak-lah perlu bagi Kerajaan mendiri MASOKI ASKAR MELAYU kan banyak rumah2 Kerajaan untok pegawai2 Kerajaan. 4. Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad (Muar Utara) bertanya kapada Menteri Per MEMBESARKAN ANGKATAN tahanan ada-kah benar bahawa Ke- BERSENJATA MALAYSIA menterian-nya berchadang hendak memberi peluang kapada ra'ayat bumi- 2. Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah putera Sarawak dan Sabah memasoki (Bachok) bertanya kapada Menteri Askar Melayu, dan jika benar, apa- Pertahanan jika konfrantasi Indonesia kah sambutan yang di-berikan oleh tamat ada-kah Kerajaan akan mene- kedua2 Kerajaan Negeri itu dan ada- ruskan langkah membesarkan Angka kah Majlis Raja2 Melayu telah di- tan Bersenjata-nya, dan jika ya, ada- bawa berunding atas perkara ini. kah Kerajaan akan menghantar pe- muda2 ka-Indonesia untok mendapat Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Tuan Yang latehan tentera. di-Pertua, ra'ayat bumiputera Sabah dan Sarawak ada-lah di-benarkan Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Tuan Yang masok berkhidmat dalam Askar Me di-Pertua, ranchangan bagi membesar layu Di-Raja dan langkah meminda kan Angkatan Tentera kita bukan-lah Undang2 Askar Melayu Di-Raja sa-mata2 di-maksudkan bagi menen- (Royal Malay Regiment Enactment) tang konfrantasi Indonesia tetapi untok sedang di-ambil. Sambutan yang di- mempertahankan negara kita, Malay berikan oleh kedua2 Kerajaan Negeri 1001 21 JUNE 1966 1002 itu ada-lah memuaskan hati, bagitu Menteri Muda Pembangunan Negara juga Duli2 Yang Maha Mulia Raja2 dan Luar Bandar (Tuan Sulaiman bin telah ma'alum hal ini. Bulon): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tidak. Kerana Kerajaan PAS di-Kelantan LATEHAN TENTERA BAGI PE tidak memberikan apa2 ma'alumat GAWAI2 TENTERA MALAYSIA kapada Kerajaan Pusat berhubong DI-SEBERANG LAUT dengan ranchangan2 tanah yang di- jalankan di-Kelantan. 5. Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad bertanya kapada Menteri Pertahanan: LANJUTAN RANCHANGAN2 KE (a) sebutkan negeri2 yang memberi MAJUAN TANAH PERSEKUTUAN latehan tentera kapada Pegawai2 KA-NEGERI KELANTAN Tentera Malaysia sekarang ini dan apa bidang latehan yang 7. Tuan Hussein bin Sulaiman ber mereka jalani; dan tanya kapada Menteri Pembangunan Negara dan Luar Bandar sa-takat (b) ada-kah Kerajaan berchadang mana-kah usaha2 yang di-jalankan menghantar Pegawai2 Tentera oleh Kerajaan Pusat untok membawa kita untok menerima latehan di- masok Ranchangan2 Kemajuan Tanah Maktab Tentera di-Burma, Jer- Persekutuan ka-negeri Keiantan, meski pun Kerajaan Keiantan payah hendak man Barat dan Russia, dan jika 2 ya, bila. menerima Ranchangan ini.
Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Tuan Yang Tuan Sulaiman bin Bulon: Tuan di-Pertua—(a) Pada masa ini Pegawai2 Yang di-Pertua, saperti Kerajaan2 Angkatan Tentera Malaysia sedang Negeri yang lain, Kerajaan Keiantan menerima latehan tentera di-negeri2 telah pun di-minta mengemukakan yang berikut ia-itu: chadangan2 ranchangan tanah yang (i) United Kingdom; hendak di-buka di-bawah kelolaan F.L.D.A. di-Kelantan. Sa-hingga hari (ii) Australia; ini tidak ada apa2 chadangan yang (iii) India; telah di-kemukakan oleh Kerajaan (iv) Canada; Negeri Keiantan sunggoh pun Kera jaan Pusat dengan jelas-nya telah (v) Amerika Sharikat; menyatakan niat-nya hendak menolong (vi) New Zealand. beribu2 orang yang tidak bertanah di- 2 Kelantan supaya mendapat tanah. Saya Pegawai ini menerima latehan faham atas keengkaran Kerajaan dalam mata pelajaran tentera. (b) Pada Negeri Keiantan hendak mengemuka masa ini belum ada ranchangan hendak kan chadangan2 itu oleh kerana 510,000 menghantar anggota2 Angkatan Ten 2 ekar tanah yang ada dan yang boleh tera untok berlateh di-negeri Burma, di-gunakan di-kawasan selatan negeri Jerman Barat dan Russia. Malaysia 2 Keiantan telah pun di-keluarkan sedia menghantar anggota Angkatan kapada sa-buah sharikat yang besar. Tentera berlateh di-mana2 negeri juga jika latehan ini di-fikirkan berfaedah Wan Abdul Kadir bin Ismail (Kuala dan perbelanjaan-nya berpatutan. Trengganu Utara): Tuan Yang di- Pertua, soal tambahan. Tidak-kah pada MAJU-MUNDOR-NYA RANCHA 2 satu masa yang lalu, Kerajaan Keiantan NGAN LEMBAGA KEMAJUAN hendak menerima ranchangan2 Kera TANAH, NEGERI SEMBILAN jaan Pusat dan tidak-kah termasok 6. Tuan Hussein bin Sulaiman (U u ranchangan F.L.D.A. ini. Kelantan) bertanya kapada Menteri Pembangunan Negara dan Luar Ban Tuan Sulaiman bin Bulon: Tuan dar ada-kah Kerajaan mengetahui Yang di-Pertua, tidak-lah termasok maju-mundor-nya ranchangan2 Lem- ranchangan F.L.D.A. sa-bagaimana baga Kemajuan Tanah Negeri yang di-maksudkan oleh Ahli Yang Keiantan. Berhormat ini. 1003 21 JUNE 1966 1004 DEATH OF DETAINEE KIEW to be markedly obstructed by a can SENG LIEN OF SARAKEI, cerous growth, which was found to be SARAWAK inoperable as it has spread and involved surrounding structures. A 8. Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Batu) asks gastroenterotomy was done to relieve the Minister of Home Affairs if he is the obstruction. aware that a detainee by the name of Kiew Seng Lien of Sarakei was sent Kiew Seng Lien was transferred home from Batu Gajah by plane to back to Batu Gajah for post-operative Kuching on 14th March, 1966, and treatment at the beginning of January that he passed away the next day; if and discharged from Batu Gajah so, to state what was the cause of his Hospital towards the end of that death and whether there has been any month. He was re-admitted to the Batu negligence on the part of any of the Gajah Hospital for further treatment officials connected with this tragedy. towards the end of February for the same complaint. The Medical Officer, The Minister of Home Affairs (Tun District Hospital, Batu Gajah, reported Dr Ismail): Mr Speaker, Sir, Kiew that, as Kiew Seng Lien was suffering Seng Lien, who was brought to the from advanced cancer, his prognosis Batu Gajah Special Detention Camp was poor and that he should be sent on 13th October, 1964, was the back to Sarawak to spend the remain Secretary-General and Chairman of the ing days of his life with his family. Sibu All Trades Employees Union and was actively engaged in the task of On the recommendation of the promoting Clandestine Communist Medical Officer, District Hospital, Organisation United Front activities. Batu Gajah, arrangements were made He was arrested and detained for for Kiew Seng Lien to fly back to these activities. Since his arrival in the Kuching on the 15th of March, 1966, Batu Gajah Special Detention Camp, after having obtained a Certificate of he was one of the detainees who Fitness to travel from the Medical actively participated in agitation within Officer, District Hospital, Batu Gajah. the Camp and boycotted Reviews by On arrival in Kuching, he was imme the Advisory Board. diately admitted to the General Hospital there for treatment but The first indication that the Deten unfortunately, he passed away soon tion Camp Authorities had of his after arrival. stomach ailment was on 23rd Novem ber, 1965, when he was treated as an Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, out-patient at the Batu Gajah District Sir, may we know when was the Hospital for peptic ulcer. At the time Barium meal X-ray done on the of his treatment, deceased claimed that deceased and when was the operation he had been suffering from this com done on the deceased as well? plaint off and on for about 20 years. He was admitted to the District Tun Dr Ismail: Sir, I have given as Hospital, Batu Gajah, for treatment much details as I could on this ques on 16th December, 1965 for the first tion. Now, I did mention at what time time, and transferred to the Ipoh he was first treated and when the General Hospital on the 28th Decem Barium meal X-ray was done on him. ber, 1965, for further treatment of his If I answer that question, I suppose complaint. While in hospital, he had the Honourable Member would like to very severe attacks of epigastric pain know the everyday activities of the accompanied by frequent and persist late Kiew Lien's life. ent vomiting. Physical examination revealed signs of marked pyloric Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, obstructions which were subsequently Sir, it is incredible the Honourable confirmed by a Barium meal X-ray. Minister has not got these facts before On operation conducted at the General him. The subsequent questions that I Hospital, Ipoh, the pylorus was found am going to pose depend very much 1005 21 JUNE 1966 1006 on the dates that the Barium meal background to the late ex-detainee, I X-ray was done and the operation was am entitled to do so. done, not that I am trying to pry too much into the top secrets of the Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, operation in Batu Gajah or in Ipoh. Sir, I am not saying that the Honour able Minister was not entitled. He was Tun Dr Ismail: I told the Honour not entitled to blacken anybody's name, able Member all the details about this even though it is a person who is detainee, the ex-detainee, and I do not deceased. Mr Speaker, Sir, the Minis intend to give any further details. ter has still not answered this question. I am not quering the judgement of Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, the Sir, the Honourable Minister in giving us these details I think was unworthy Mr Speaker: Can you frame your of him to draw lots of red herrings question as concisely as possible, so regarding the activities of the deceased, that people can understand it easily? telling us that he was a Communist or {Laughter). indulging in Communist activities and boycott. That has nothing to do with Dr Tan Chee Khoon: I beg your the question that I have asked. Mr pardon Mr Speaker, Sir. I shall try and Speaker, Sir, the Honourable Minister frame this in a non-technical language. has told us that at the operation, the Mr Speaker, Sir, I am not quering the Surgeon decided that the case was an judgement of the Medical Officers inoperable one. That being so, Mr concerned, when they decided that the Speaker, Sir, why did it take such a outlook for the deceased was a hope long time for the Medical Superinten less one at operation and later on. The dent at Batu Gajah Hospital to come question that I wish to pose to the to the conclusion that the prognosis Honourable the Minister is this. Why was bad. Surely, the Surgeon at opera was not the deceased sent back to tion, in deciding that it was inoperable, Kuching, when it was decided that his or in doing a gastrotony must have case was a hopeless one, that there was also informed the relevant authorities no future for him for recovery? that the prognosis was hopeless. If the prognosis was hopeless, Mr Speaker, Tun Dr Ismail: The Honourable Sir, may I ask the Minister, why was it Member as a doctor would know that that the deceased was kept in Batu this gentleman has had an operation Gajah until and a gastroenterotomy was done on him, and it would take sometime for Mr Speaker: Did you say, "May I the late ex-detainee to recover; and answer the Minister? when it was recommended by the Medical Officers that he should be sent Dr Tan Chee Khoon: "May I ask". back to Kuching and a Certificate of May I ask why the deceased was kept Fitness to travel was given, then he in Batu Gajah until, as it turned out, was sent back to Kuching. he was almost dying before he was sent back to Kuching? FORM VI ENTRANCE Tun Dr Ismail: I do not intend to EXAMINATION have a debate with the Honourable 9. Dr Tan Chee Khoon asks the Member on what the Medical Officers Minister of Education if he is aware did on the patient. I was just relating of the widespread dissatisfaction with the sequence of the events that took the Form VI Entrance Examination, place. The whole responsibility must and that Mr D. R. Daniels, President rest with the Medical Officers, and I of the National Heads of Secondary have great confidence in the Medical Schools, has called for its abolishment; Officers. I would like to remind the and if so, what steps he proposes to Honourable Member that in answering take to solve the problem. these questions, he could not dictate to me in what manner I should answer The Assistant Minister of Education that question. If I wanted to give the (Tuan Lee Siok Yew): Mr Speaker, Sir, 1007 21 JUNE 1966 1008
I do not believe that there is such have done badly in the Senior Cam widespread dissatisfaction with the bridge Examination, but passed, so as Form VI Entrance Examination, not to justify their entering the Form although the President of the National VI examination the next year. Heads of Secondary School Conference Conversely, there are those who have has called for its abolition. This failed in the Entrance Examination but examination, however, cannot be have done very well in the Senior abolished, because it is needed to select Cambridge Examination in Decem candidates on a provisional basis for ber and, therefore, have been placed in admission to Form VI classes in the Lower VI the next year. In the light January each year, pending the issue of what has happened, surely the of the M.C.E. results a few months Ministry must review the value of the later. Entrance Examination.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Tuan Lee Siok Yew: Mr Speaker, Sir, is the Honourable Assistant Sir, if the Honourable Member can Minister not aware that one of the bring the specific cases to me, I will causes of this widespread dissatisfac look into this matter. But on the ques tion with the Form VI Entrance tion of the candidate concerned having Examination is that those who take failed the M.C.E. Examination, of the Entrance Examination have subse course, he is not entitled to enter the quently failed either in the Senior Form VI classes. Cambridge Examination, or have not Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, done well enough in the Senior Sir, the Ministry knows that there are Cambridge Examinations to merit hundreds, who have passed the Form placement in the Form VI, or VI Entrance Examination in July, but Lower VI; and as such the value of have either failed in the Senior the Entrance Examinations is very Cambridge Examination in December, much open to query. On the other or have not done well in the Senior hand, those who failed in the Entrance Cambridge Examination of that year, Examination in the Senior Cambridge to justify their study in the Lower VI Examinations have done so very well the next year. The Honourable the that they have been placed in the Form Assistant Minister does not need me to VI, or Lower VI, the next year. give particulars, but if he wants, I can provide him with lots of examples. Tuan Lee Siok Yew: Mr Speaker, Sir, I do not understand what the Tuan Lee Siok Yew: Mr Speaker, question was. Sir, the Ministry will review this. Dr Tan Chee Khoon: If the Honour LAYANAN DI-RUMAH SAKIT able Assistant Minister cannot answer UMUM, KUALA LUMPUR that simple question of mine, perhaps, 10. Tuan Haji Othman bin Abdullah I will wait a little for some of the back (Hilir Perak) bertanya kapada Menteri room boys to pass a slip down to him. Kesihatan ada-kah beliau sedar orang2 That was quite a simple question that sakit di-Rumah Sakit Umum, Kuala I asked. Lumpur, tidak mendapat layanan yang memuaskan terutama sa-kali berkenaan Mr Speaker: I think your remark dengan mengeluarkan kad2 kapada was very uncalled for. orang sakit; jika sedar, ada-kah Menteri Kesihatan akan menimbang- Dr Tan Chee Khoon: May I put kan supaya di-ambil lebeh ramai lagi the question again, Mr Speaker, Sir. Is kakitangan pejabat untok menulis kad2. the Honourable Assistant Minister aware that there are a large number of The Parliamentary Secretary to the students who have passed the Entrance Minister of Health (Tuan Ibrahim bin Examination, but at the Senior Abdul Rahman): Tuan Yang di- Cambridge Examination either failed Pertua, saya tidak tahu ada-nya rawa- the Senior Cambridge Examination, or tan dan layanan yang tidak memuaskan 1009 21 JUNE 1966 1010 di-beri kapada orang2 sakit. Dan juga Pegawai2 yang menchatitkan kad saya tidak terdapat pengaduan ber- akan datang kapada orang2 yang di- kenaan dengan kelambatan mengeluar- rawat atau pun kapada saudara si-sakit kan kad2 kapada orang2 sakit. Walau untok mendapatkan butir2 yang akan bagaimana pun oleh sebab Ahli Yang di-chatitkan. Mereka yang mendapat Berhormat itu menudoh ada-nya ber kemalangan rengan di-kehendaki meng laku kelambatan, saya akan mengambil ambil kad rawatan luar daripada bilek perhatian dalam perkara ini. penerimaan casualty counter saperti biasa. Saya tidak mendapat tahu Tuan Haji Othman bin Abdullah: kejadian2 saperti yang di-sebutkan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat itu. Tetapi menudoh tetapi ada-kah Menteri jika ada di-dapati kesulitan, maka Kesihatan sedar bahawa ada berlaku boleh-lah menemui Penguasa Perubatan saperti ini dan saya sendiri pernah atau Medical Superintendent, Rumah mengalami-nya dan kalau sa-kira-nya Sakit Umum, Kuala Lumpur. sedar tidak-kah patut di-perbaiki hal yang saperti ini dan kalau sa-kira-nya Tuan Haji Othman bin Abdullah: hendakkan keterangan yang lanjut Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pernah berlaku boleh-lah saya chakap di-luar daripada ada orang yang dekat hendak mati Dewan ini. sudah dua tiga minit lagi pun kena Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: ambil kad masok ka-dalam Hospital Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya berharap dan ini saya sendiri pernah mengalami- Ahli Yang Berhormat itu boleh-lah nya pada masa menghantar beberapa berjumpa di-luar daripada Dewan ini orang ka-Hospital Kuala Lumpur yang supaya dapat keterangan yang lanjut. ta' dapat menerima rawatan daripada doktor dengan serta-merta sa-hingga PERATORAN RUMAH2 SAKIT mesti mendapat kad dan saya chari, KERAJAAN UNTOK ORANG Tuan Yang di-Pertua, orang yang YANG MENDAPAT KEMALA- menulis itu pergi minum kopi ka- NGAN JALAN RAYA belakang. Sudah itu saya chari pula doktor, kata orang doktor pergi bela- 11. Tuan Haji Othman bin Abdullah kang sana. Jadi perkara ini berlaku. bertanya kapada Menteri Kesihatan 2 Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya minta ada-kah menjadi peratoran rumah ada-kah Yang Berhormat itu pernah sakit bahawa sa-saorang yang chedera melawat Rumah Sakit Umum ini pada dalam kemalangan jalan raya mesti masa2 yang mustahak mithal-nya mendapat kad sa-belum ia di-beri malam2 hari-kah (Ketawa), pukul sa- rawatan; jika benar, ada-kah Menteri puloh-kah? Kesihatan sedar bahawa perkara2 saperti ini pernah berlaku di-Rumah Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Sakit Umum, Kuala Lumpur, di-mana Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya telah pun orang2 sakit mengalami kesulitan 2 melawat Rumah Sakit Umum, Kuala untok mendapat kad dan terpaksa Lumpur, tetapi tidak-lah masa malam menunggu lama sa-belum di-rawat. (Ketawa) tetapi masa2 sa-belum 4.30 Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: petang. Berkenaan dengan tudohan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada-lah tidak Ahli Yang Berhormat itu, saya telah menjadi peratoran bahawa sa-saorang pun berjanji yang saya akan menyiasat. yang mendapat kemalangan mesti mendapat kad sa-belum di-beri ra Tuan Haji Othman bin Abdullah: watan. Peratoran yang di-jalankan Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya sa-kali lagi untok mendapat rawatan peruba mengatakan saya tidak menudoh, tan dan perchatitan—documentation— tetapi kalau dia tidak pernah melawat ada-lah rengkas dan jelas. Orang2 yang malam, elok-lah dia pergi melawat mendapat chedera parah dan ke- malam2. Kejadian ini berlaku selalu hilangan banyak darah atau pun dalam malam (Ketawa). Malam2 selalu ber keadaan pengsan akan di-bawa terus laku dan Ahli Yang Berhormat, kalau ka-bilek rawatan chemas untok men dia datang, ta' usah pakai necktie dapat rawatan perubatan dengan segara. sebab nanti orang tahu yang bahawa 1011 21 JUNE 1966 1012 dia ini Secretary Politik kapada Yang Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Berhormat Menteri Kesihatan. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya fikir Ahli Yang Berhormat itu ta' faham apa Mr Speaker: Dia sudah mengaku yang saya katakan tadi. Tikus2 ada-lah dan akan menyiasat. Jadi, malam-kah, lebeh bahaya daripada kuching—saya siang-kah, terpulang kapada dia-lah katakan tadi ia-itu tikus2 ada-lah lebeh (Ketawa). bahaya daripada kuching, KUCHING2 DI-WAD KANAK2 Dr Tan Chee Khoon Mr Speaker, RUMAH SAKIT UMUM, Sir, is the Honourable Parliamentary Secretary trying to explain to us that KUALA LUMPUR because rats pose a greater menace to 12. Dr Tan Chee Khoon bertanya ka the health of the patients, consequently pada Menteri Kesihatan jika dia sedar there were cats in the wards. But bahawa kuching2 telah memakan nevertheless, the question I wish to makanan orang sakit di-wad kanak2 pose to the Honourable Parliamentary Rumah Sakit Umum, Kuala Lumpur, Secretary is this: Why did the hospital dan tentang bahaya kapada kesihatan authorities, or the Ministry of Health, orang2 sakit yang di-sebabkan oleh wait till the Malay Mail highlighted perkara itu, dan jika sedar, apa-kah this story of cats eating the food of langkah yang dia telah ambil untok patients in the Pediatric Ward before mengatasi perkara yang membahayakan it woke up to the fact that there were kesihatan2 orang2 sakit itu. lots of cats in the Pediatric Ward— and perhaps in the other wards as Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: well? Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya telah di- beri tahu akan serangan kuching di- Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya katakan Rumah Sakit Umum, Kuala Lumpur. 2 Daripada siasatan yang telah di-jalan- tadi ia-itu kuching yang ada di- kan di-dapati bahawa, ini ada-lah di- sekeliling Rumah Sakit itu barangkali di-punyai oleh pekerja2 di-situ atau sebabkan banyak-nya kuching itu dan 2 anak2 kuching yang di-lepaskan oleh pun barangkali di-kedai yang ber- pendudok2 di-kawasan sa-keliling hadapan dengan rumah sakit, kerana Rumah Sakit. Pekerja2 Rumah Sakit Rumah Sakit Umum tidak ada pagar yang ta' boleh di-masok oleh kuching, ada di-arahkan untok menangkap 2 kuching2 yang masok dalam wad dan kerana pagar itu besar dan kuching menghantarkan kuching2 itu kapada boleh masok. Jabatan Haiwan untok di-buangkan. Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam (Ipoh): Saya ingin menambahkan di-sini ada- Mr Speaker, Sir, he has missed the lah lebeh baik ada-nya kuching dari point. The question says, "Is the pada ada-nya tikus (Ketawa) dan jika Minister aware that the cats have been bilangan kuching itu di-kurangkan ber- eating the food in the hospital?" I ask ma'ana-lah tikus akan bertambah for a clarification as to whether the banyak dan kita tahu, dan Ahli Yang Ministry or the Minister is or was Berhormat itu sendiri faham, yang aware that the cats were eating the tikus itu banyak membawa penyakit food of the patients? yang berjangkit. Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Dr Tan Chee Khoon: We have Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Kementerian heard an extraordinary explanation Kesihatan telah pun membuat siasatan given by the Parliamentary Secretary dan telah pun memberi arahan kapada to the Ministry of Health, that because Penguasa Rumah Sakit supaya mem there are many rats in the wards, beri amaran kapada pegawai2 yang perhaps that explains why the cats are menjalankan kerja di-situ. there. Is the Honourable Parliamentary Secretary aware that rats pose a greater Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: problem to the health of the patients Soalan tambahan. Dalam jawapan in wards? yang di-beri oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat 1013 21 JUNE 1966 1014 kita, saya dapati bahawa pegawai2 Malayan Medical Association. The hospital, pekerja2-nya, telah di- question I wish to ask the Honourable perentahkan supaya menangkap ku Parliamentary Secretary is this: can ching2 itu untok di-buangkan. Per- he assure this House that the rats and kataan "untok di-buangkan" ini dapat- cats have been got rid of in the whole kah Menteri kita memberi penerangan Hospital compound of the General di-buangkan ka-tempat lain supaya Hospital, Kuala Lumpur, or as is im menyusahkan tempat lain, atau pun plied by the Member for Bungsar these di-buangkan untok mematikan—yang abound still? berlawanan dengan perasaan peri ke- manusiaan. Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: Bukan di-dalam kawasan, tetapi di- Yang kedua, saya hendak bertanya wad2 hospital itu telah pun kita di-antara kuching2 yang banyak itu bersehkan daripada di-masoki oleh ada-kah termasok Black Cat sama kuching2. (Ketawa). BAN ON IMPORT OF WHEAT Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: FLOUR Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perkataan di- buangkan itu terpulang-lah kapada 13. Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the Jabatan Haiwan kerana kalau-lah kita Minister of Commerce and Industry bunoh kuching2 itu ada pehak pula whether he is aware of the economic yang akan membangkang berkenaan hardships created by the Government's dengan pembunohan kuching2. Ber total ban on the import of wheat flour kenaan dengan "Black Cat" itu, saya from 1st April, 1966, when the Tariff tidak tahu, saya belum pernah lihat; Advisory Board was still hearing evi barangkali, Ahli Yang Berhormat itu dence on whether to impose tariff on pernah lihat, kuching2 hitam itu juga imported flour; and whether the masok hospital, saya tidak tahu-lah. interests of the ordinary consumers (Ketawa), had been taken into consideration before imposing the total ban. Tuan C. V. Devan Nair (Bungsar): Sir, could the question be posed this The Acting Minister of Commerce way: if the cats go for the patients' and Industry (Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh): food, then the rats must be in short Mr Speaker, Sir, in order to protect supply. So, either you increase the the pioneer industries in their initial supply of rats, or you get rid of the stage, it is customary for all developing rats, so that you can get rid of the cats countries launching industrialisation to also and the patients' food is saved? impose a partial or total ban on the (Pause). importation of any commodities manu factured. The degree of such ban de Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, pends on a great number of factors Sir, it seems that the Parliamentary such as capacity of production, consist Secretary is unwilling to answer or ing stock, etc. The conditions pre reluctant to answer that question. If I vailing prior to the 1st of April, 1966, may make a little clarification on my were such as to justify a total ban own behalf, I wish to make it clear to pending the examination and review by the Ministry of Health that when I the Tariff Advisory Board, which pro asked this question, I was not asking vides the safety valve for the banning in my capacity as the President-elect exercise. As the Alliance Government of the Malayan Medical Association. I has always taken, is taking and will was asking it in my capacity as the always take into consideration the Member for Batu. I hope the Ministry interest of the people including the understands that, and I hope that the ordinary consumers, constant reviews press will understand that, since they are being made on the ban; and as a have stated that Dr So-and-so, result of such reviews, instructions President-elect, as that has nothing to were, in fact, given yesterday and, in do with my being an official of the fact, it will be implemented today, to 1015 21 JUNE 1966 1016
lift partially the ban, and importers Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, will be allowed to import 25% of the Sir, will the Honourable Minister tell quota for the months of June and July us whether it is true that this flour mill before which further reviews will be at Lumut has been given a monopoly made and by which time it is hoped in the milling trade? that the reports of the Tariff Advisory Board will be made available, and I am Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, afraid the Honourable Member's ques Sir, I think the Honourable Member's tion appears to have jumped the gun. statement is incorrect. There is no question of being given a monopoly, Tuan C. V. Devan Nair: Mr Spea because I think a statement has been ker, Sir, I would like to know why made in this House that two pioneer there was this departure from previous companies are in existence and even that practice, because the Honourable itself will answer the question posed Minister of Commerce and Industry is by the Honourable Member, because on record on the 22nd of May, 1966, as if there are two pioneer companies for saying that only after the public hear flour making there is no question of a ings and its own investigations, will monopoly; and furthermore as the the Tariff Advisory Board make its Honourable Member, I understand, is recommendations to Government and also a member of the Tariff Advisory that, he suggested, was a very fair and Board and the Tariff Advisory Board very democratic way. But why was it itself is a safeguard against any mono that in this particular instance, when poly in this country. the Tariff Advisory Board has yet to complete its findings and make its re Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, commendations, that this total ban on Sir, my acceptance of the membership imports was made? And can I have an of the Tariff Advisory Board—the assurance, Sir, that in future such a Government wants to make use of it as a weapon to gag me—I wish to say departure from normal practice will that I have just been invited to serve not be allowed by the Government? and I have not attended any meeting on it. Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I think the Honourable Member Mr Speaker, Sir, the question I has answered his own question, be would like to pose is this, and here cause in the statement made on the the Honourable Minister must pardon 22nd May, the reply was that after the my ignorance: I think it is not public hearing or the question of its generally known that there is yet an investigation; the Minister of Com other flour milling company in this merce and Industry said that if his country. If so, where has it started its investigation justified the lifting of the operations. ban, he would do so. And I have stated earlier that since the imposition Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, of the ban, constant reviews have Sir, I can assure this House that a been made by my Ministry as to the second pioneer certificate has been stocking position, availability of the given. In fact, that was the decision flour, and because of such reviews, made by the Cabinet, that there is even without waiting for the Tariff room for two pioneer companies for Advisory Board, and because the flour in this country. I think if I am Alliance Government is always con not mistaken, Mr Speaker, Sir, as I am sidering the interest of the people being only keeping the seat warm pending paramount above anything else, that the return of the substantive Minister, instruction was given yesterday for the other factory is somewhere in Port this ban to be lifted, and this will be Swettenham, and it will be starting implemented as from today and all im production very shortly. There is no porters will be given 25% of the quota question of only one factory having the for June and July, after which a further monopoly. As to what I said earlier, I review will be made. must apologise to the Honourable 1017 21 JUNE 1966 1018 Member, as I was not aware that he at all; and I hope the Honourable has not attended a single meeting of Member will contribute his part as he the Board yet. But under no circum did in this House into the forming of stances, did I mean to embarrass him the final opinion of the Tariff Advisory by mentioning the fact that he is a Board in this connection. As I said member of the Board; and if I have earlier the very fact that instructions made any wrong interpretation I have been given after constant reviews apologise. by my Ministry since April, since the ban was imposed, instructions have Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Is the Honour been made and given yesterday for the able Minister aware that, even if both ban to be partially lifted and this these two flour mills work in full means a 25% quota for the month of capacity, those in the trade estimate June and July, and if I remember that they cannot cater for the demands correctly the figure is something like of the people in the flour trade: for 15,000 tons for June and 15,000 tons example, bread making, biscuit making, was for July. etc., etc. These two companies cannot cater consequently, is it wise for the Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Government to impose a complete ban Sir, can the Honourable Minister tell on the import of flour from outside us how many workers are there not this country, or should there be a working at the flour mill and how many quota allowed in this country, or more will be employed at the flour mill in competition be allowed by way of the Lumut, when it is working at full setting up of yet another or more than capacity? another flour mill in this country. Mr Speaker: Don't you think that is Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, going too deep into this? Sir, I think, for all independent coun tries striving to be economically viable, Dr Tan Chee Khoon: No, Mr Spea it is essential that we must launch on ker, Sir, because the only justification some form of industrialisation; and if for such a step is the employment that we are to be proud of ourselves as an the flour mill provides. If the employ independent country and an economi ment is small compared to the hund cally viable people, we must suffer reds, if not thousands, who are out of some teething trouble, and we cannot work, then the decision made by the extract investments in the country, we Government is totally wrong—the cannot attract pioneer industries into decision fits only a few and not the this country, unless we can afford them majority. some form of guarantee of market, and this is a rudiment of introduction Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, of industrialisation; and as such this Sir, as much as I would like to oblige ban had to be introduced as in the the Honourable Member, I am not a case of other industries starting opera walking dictionary of the Ministry of tion, but the safeguard is, as I said, Commerce and Industry. I require pending the report of the Tariff notice for that answer, because it Advisory Board to which all the people requires figures; and if the Honourable have excess to make representation as Member will get in touch with me to adequacy of stocks, the capacity of sometime today I would be very production of the companies and be pleased to give him the figures. cause all the witnesses have the right to ask the producers as to their capa Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: city, the pioneering of their production, Soalan tambahan sadikit. Ada satu etc., etc.; and only after careful study point yang saya keliru dalam jawapan of the representations made will the Yang Berhormat Menteri itu, ia-itu Tariff Advisory Board submit its untok mengatasi keadaan ini, Kerajaan recommendations to the Government chuba hendak mengangkatkan atau as to whether a total ban should be membuangkan sekatan2 itu sama ada imposed, or a partial ban, or no ban kesemua-nya atau sa-bahagian-nya, the 1019 21 JUNE 1966 1020 whole or partial. Tetapi, Tuan Yang di-angkat kesemua sekatan itu atau pun di-Pertua, pengalaman kita sudah sa-paroh. Saya berkata bahawa chara mengajar kita bahawa apabila perusa yang sa-macham itu maseh juga tidak haan tepong ini baharu sampai kapada dapat melegakan kita ini kerana darjat perintis sudah tentu-lah bila tepong2 yang di-keluarkan di-dalam di-angkat sekatan barang yang hendak perusahaan yang mertabat-nya baharu di-import itu barang itu mutu-nya printis akan bersaingan, berlumba, lebeh baik daripada yang di-keluarkan dengan tepong2 yang di-bawa masok oleh kilang perintis dalam negeri. Jadi, sedangkan tepong2 yang di-bawa ma dengan demikian competition mendapat sok tentu lebeh baik mutu-nya daripada pasaran lebeh juga barang2 yang kita tepong kita buat di-sini. Jadi dengan import dan ini ada-lah berlawanan demikian itu bukan satu perubatan, dengan dasar memelihara taraf perintis bukan satu remedy. Kalau bagitu saya itu. Saya hendak bertanya ada-kah bertanya ada-kah Kerajaan mahu ber- Kerajaan akan meneruskan langkah sedia mengubah chara lain ia-itu atau pun hendak mengubah kapada dengan chara mengadakan satu chukai, satu chara yang di-namakan protective kalau tidak salah saya, di-namakan tariff ia-itu kita boleh membawa protective tariff kapada bahan2 tepong masok gandum2 yang belum di-jadikan ia-itu gandum2 yang belum di-tepong- tepong tetapi dengan di-kenakan chu- kan lagi supaya perusahaan perintis kai mengikut kadar yang biasa-nya ini dapat mengeluarkan tepong, tidak ka-atas barang2 mentah untok menge- ada competition, dengan tidak payah luarkan barang2 baharu, di-hantar ke- di-benarkan tepong itu masok, dengan luar, dan daripada mengangkatkan demikian taraf perintis ini tidak ada sekatan itu supaya dia masok lebeh competition. Di-sini baharu-lah harga banyak, mengancham pula perusahaan itu murah. Jadi saya tanya ada-kah kita. Kerajaan mahu mengubah chara yang bagitu? Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I cannot grasp the question propo Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, sed by the Honourable Member at all. Sir, as the Honourable Member has He was merely making a statement. gone to such lengths to make a state ment, I would try to please him on Mr Speaker: You are probably not what he is trying to find out. I think the only one who cannot understand. what the Honourable Member wants {Laughter). to know is whether the lifting of the ban would prejudice the present manu Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: facturers. Well, as I said, we are Perhaps, he is not able to answer! concerned not on the question of quality, as quite obviously it is agreed Tuan Geh Chong Keat: Mr Speaker, that certain brands have established Sir, supplementary question. their market in this country, and the people are very conscious; and because Mr Speaker: Hold on a minute, let of that if we establish pioneer indus him explain a little more the question tries, we have to impose ban to protect that he posed. the manufacturers. I think, that princi ple is agreed, but in this case we are Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: not concerned with this—we are con Saya maksudkan ia-itu Menteri kita cerned with interim shortage of the sudah menerangkan hendak mengatasi supply. Since the manufacturers have kesulitan yang di-hadapi oleh ra'ayat not been able to fulfill the demands of kerana ada kilang2 tepong ini yang the market and, as I have said earlier, harga-nya naik itu. Kalau bagitu, Kera the Alliance Government is committed jaan kita mengemukakan satu chara to protect the interest of the people, a hendak bagi hilang kesulitan ra'ayat, partial lifting of the ban has been Kerajaan akan membatalkan sekatan2 made, and this partial lifting is only kapada tepong2 yang di-bawa masok for a period of two months only— di-sini—imported flour—itu, hendak June and July—and before the end of 1021 21 JUNE 1966 1022 July a further review will be made; and manufacturers. But he is making a if the stocking situation of the manu statement on this assumption. But facturers is such as to have a consider whatever it is, if there is a shortage of able stock sufficient for the people, flour for our people; the Ministry must the total ban may still be imposed at take steps to remedy the situation and the end of July. make flour available to the population, and meanwhile we will look into all Titan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: the other causes; and before any further Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tahu ba- decision is made all the circumstances hawa apa yang di-buat oleh Kerajaan leading to the shortage will be exami itu baik. Saya perchaya Yang Berhor- ned by the Government before the end mat ini sa-orang economist, sebab itu of July. saya bertanya dari segi chara dia menahan-nya ia-itu bagini; taraf perin- Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: tis ini mengeluarkan tepong, kilang Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Menteri tadi taraf perintis ini keluarkan, sedangkan telah menjawab perkara itu selesai tepong itu tidak boleh di-keluarkan, sudah; tetapi he was trying to solve the kalau tidak ada gandum daripada; luar problem. Kalau dia kata hendak me- negeri. Kalau bagitu, problem kita, nimbangkan perkara itu, selesai sudah pertama mengeluarkan tepong dengan benda itu. taraf perintis. Yang kedua, bahan men- tah itu kita bawa daripada luar negeri Tuan Geh Chong Keat: The Honour masok. Di-samping itu pula kita mem- able Minister has mentioned that there benarkan tepong2 yang di-luar negeri will be a 25 per cent release on the itu masok di-sini. Jadi, erti-nya sudah quota and that that quota is based on berlawanan dengan kita hendak men- performance of import through the jaga taraf perintis itu. Kalau bagitu, L.C. system. However our trading Menteri kita kata dia akan tahan buat system of importation of flour is sementara dua bulan, sa-lepas dua through the "letter of credit" or L.C. bulan itu, dia akan tutup kesemua system, which is for Taiwan, Japan tepong2 yang hendak di-bawa masok. and other countries; but through Bila tutup kesemua, ra'ayat di-sini ter- Australia they establish a contract paksa kena beli tepong daripada taraf system on D.P. which is established a perintis itu, dan ini-lah yang menye- year or two ahead so as to provide the babkan harga-nya naik, kerana barang millers ta' masok. Jadi, kesulitan itu akan ber- laku sa-mula dari segi ekonomi-nya. Mr Speaker: Are you asking Saya perchaya Menteri kita sa-bagai Tuan Geh Chong Keat: Sir, I am sa-orang economist, dia akan jawab coming to the point. {Laughter). dari segi economist-nya, bukan dari segi niat Kerajaan. Mr Speaker: But you are making your speech so complicated before you Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, get to the point! (Laughter). Sir, I would like to thank the Honour able Member for his compliments Tuan Geh Chong Keat: Sir, the labelling me as an economist. I am point is that the Australian millers afraid that I am far from being an would like to have the orders a year economist; I am just an ordinary poli or two ahead established through con tician. I think the Honourable Member tract on the D.P. system. Now, would has made his statement on one assump the Minister consider the importation, tion that the present shortage of flour or a release, on the performance in this country is due to the shortage through this contract system on D.P. of raw material for the manufacturers. which has been established a year, or I do not think that statement is more than a, year ahead? correct—he is making an assumption of that. If that is the main cause of Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, the shortage, this Government will, of Sir, I am afraid I am not deeply course, look into it and assist the involved in the whole exercise of the 1023 21 JUNE 1966 1024 importation on the L.C. system and Menteri Kerajaan Tempatan dan what not, but I think the Honourable Perumahan (Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh): Member can rest quite assured that the Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Kerajaan Negeri expert officials in my Ministry will deal dan Majlis Perbandaran ada-lah ber- with this matter equitably. tanggong-jawab untok memungut ba yaran2 ansoran bulanan atau sewa2 rumah murah itu. Oleh yang demikian, Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Sir, the Minis 2 ter has just told us that there is a lifting Kerajaan Negeri dan Majlis Perban- daran-lah yang mengetahui akan jum- of 25 per cent of the quota to meet 2 2 the shortage; and then he said that the lah bayaran ansoran, atau sewa yang total ban will be imposed if there is maseh belum berbayar lagi. no shortage. The question I wish to pose is this: conversely if it can be Kementerian ini belum lagi menerima sa-barang laporan rasmi mengenai proved to the Ministry that this 25 per 2 2 cent is not enough at this moment, tunggakan di-atas ansoran atau sewa because, as I understand it, there is a itu. Di-dalam Majlis Perbandaran Ibu tremendous shortage of flour, will this Kota, masaalah perkara tunggakan ini partial ban be further lifted to meet sangat-lah kechil. the existing shortage? Yang kedua, ini terpulang-lah ka pada Kerajaan2 Negeri, atau Majlis2 Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, Perbandaran mengenai tindakan yang Sir, the Alliance Government is a perlu untok memungut balek tunggakan Government elected by the people, for itu dan juga mengambil tindakan the people, and of the people; and as undang2 untok mengeluarkan pendu- such I have stated that we will always dok2 dari rumah2 itu. look into the interest of the people. There is no hard and fast rule in this Yang ketiga, perkara ini terserah- lah kapada Kerajaan2 Negeri atau case, Sir, and in the light of the review 2 made constantly by the Ministry, the Majlis Perbandaran yang berkenaan ban may further be lifted or may be untok menimbangkan-nya. further restricted depending on the surrounding circumstances. Tuan Ramli bin Omar: Soalan tambahan. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, per- BANTUAN BAGI ORANG2 YANG istiwa yang sedeh baharu2 ini ia-lah TINGGAL DI-RUMAH MURAH bagi pendudok2 Kampong Pandan, YANG TIDAK MAMPU MEM- orang2 yang rumah-nya kena tarek ini BAYAR ANSORAN BULANAN- yang terdiri daripada orang2 yang ber- NYA pendapatan kechil, ia-itu terdiri dari pada dahulu-nya penghuni2 rumah 14. Tuan Ramli bin Omar bertanya haram. Mereka ini mendirikan rumah kapada Menteri Kerajaan Tempatan haram, kerana pendapatan-nya kechil— dan Perumahan: tidak mampu menyewa rumah. (a) ada-kah beliau sedar ia-itu ke- Oleh kerana rumah2 mereka di- banyakan orang Melayu yang pechahkan oleh Kerajaan, mereka memileki rumah2 murah tidak terpaksa pindah ka-rumah2 Kera dapat membayar ansoran bu- jaan yang telah di-siapkan. Niat lanan-nya; mereka ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, (b) apa-kah tindakan Kerajaan ber- hendak mempunyai rumah itu, tetapi chadang hendak ambil terhadap tidak terdaya hendak membayar $35 2 satu bulan daripada pendapatan $100. orang yang ingin memileki Jadi, apa-kah gaya-nya Kerajaan hen rumah tetapi tidak mampu hen dak mengatasi orang2 yang sa-bagini dak membayar harga rumah oleh 2 2 rupa? Kalau Kerajaan main tarek kerana satu sebab; dan rumah ini sa-hari empat, bulan besok (c) ada-kah Kerajaan berchadang lima, mungkin lain kali orang2 Melayu hendak membantu orang2 saperti takut hendak menerima rumah2 murah ini; jika ya, apa-kah jenis ban- ranchangan Kerajaan, kerana takut tuan2 yang Kerajaan akan beri. tidak terbayar dan juga takut malu 1025 21 JUNE 1966 1026 kapada masharakat apabila rumah2 Government has to provide amenities, mereka kena tarek. Jadi, bagaimana- facilities, such as roads, roadside kah Kerajaan hendak mengatasi orang2 drains, connection of electricity, yang sa-bagini? connection of water and in many cases with very extensive laying of water Tuan Abdul Samad bin Gul Ahmad pipes. In fact, in some cases, I have Mianji (Pasir Mas Hulu): Tuan Yang examined the estimates, and in some di-Pertua, boleh-kah saya mendapat 2 cases the cost of such development in penjelasan? Orang yang terlibat ini low-lying ground can amount to any orang Melayu-kah? Itu sahaja saya thing up to 80 per cent of the cost of hendak tahu. the house. As such, Sir, the houses are Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak already highly subsidised by the State tahu, orang Melayu-kah yang terlibat Government and by the Federal itu? Government, and the people who are receiving these houses or staying in Mr Speaker: Nanti! Soalan-nya dia these houses are expected, and must be belum jawab lagi pun. (Ketawa). expected, to honour the terms of the Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, occupation. Sir, there is a limit to Sir, as I have stated earlier, all the which we can subsidise the low income administration of low-cost housing is group. Just because of the fact that a matter for the State Government as they are all low income people and well as for the Federal Capital adminis cannot pay, they cannot sit tight and tration. As such, it is up to these people refuse to do anything about it. I think to carry out their administration that is not civic consciousness and they effectively and efficiently. I would like must assist their fellow countrymen in to mention in this House, Sir, that the being civic-conscious and live up to construction of low-cost houses itself their obligations, because they are is already highly subsidised by both the already paying very low instalments for Federal Government and the State their houses. They do not pay any Government, and the houses are being down payment, and no down pay provided to the people at very low ment is asked for; and all they have to cost and at very low re-payments ex do is to pay a first month pay tending initially to 14 years, but last ment—and the policy of the Federal year it has been extended, with the Government in respect of repayment for permission of the Treasury, to 17 years. a house must not exceed $35 by way In fact, for the very lowest income of instalment for a house. In some group, the repayment period has now cases, for some of the fisherman's been extended to 20 years and as such, schemes along the coastal areas, the re Sir, these houses are sold or being ren payment is merely $12 to $15 per ted out to the people with very high month. I am afraid, if any occupant subsidy in the sense, Sir, that the funds fails to live up to his obligation there is given out by the Federal Government no alternative but for the State Govern for this purpose are given out at the ment, or the Local Authority, to take rate of interest of 2 per cent, for the action. Usually, as far as I know, no low cost housing, although the Federal action is taken unless for a very long Government itself has to obtain loans period of arrears in payment—and 1 from the public at anything up to 53/4 think in that respect, Sir, I would per cent. From that, Sir, you will notice appeal to Honourable Members of this that there is in fact already a subsidy House to try to inculate into our of 33/4 per cent for all low-cost housing. people some form of civic consciou- ness. If the State and the Federal Moreover, Sir, from the State Governmens have gone so far to help Government angle, there is also a very one in getting a house, which I under high subsidy by the State Government, stand not many countries in the world because the State Government provides are doing today, it is up to the indivi land virtually free-of-charge, and if dual citizen to live up to his part of not free-of-charge at a very nominal the bargain. price, and furthermore the State 1027 21 JUNE 1966 1028
Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam: Mr Spea nothing that the Federal Government ker, Sir, supplementary question—Is can do about it. I might mention here, the Honourable Minister aware of the Sir, that it is the policy of the Federal specific case, within the Ipoh Muni Government, or the policy of the cipal area, of the Sungei Rokan low- Alliance Government, that repayment cost housing, which is a Malay Hous for houses must not exceed more than ing Scheme and is the Minister aware 20 per cent of an individual's earning that when the Opposition party got the in this country; and this is a criterion majority in the Local Authority, the which I derived after I have visited State Government took over the control many countries in Europe as well as in and running of the Sungei Rokan Asia in determining what rental would Housing Scheme? Question No 2: Is be a reasonable rental to be paid by the Minister aware that those Malays an individual; and from my experience living in the Sungei Rokan Housing in some European countries, 25 per Scheme are in arrears of their pay cent has been adopted as a criterion, ments for a very long period of time and I think it is not too unreasonable and that no action has been taken by for us to expect our citizens to pay a the State Government? In this manner maximum of 20 per cent of his earning you are only placing these Malay for his housing and for his accommo occupants into more and more difficul dation. I can quote an example: in ties by letting them get into arrears of Penang we have a fishermen's scheme huge sums of money and will the Hon in Telok Bahang for fishermen, and as ourable Minister at least assure this far as we could ascertain some of the House that his Ministry will make an fishermen earn something like between enquiry into this matter of the Sungei $80 to $200 depending on how hard Rokam Housing Scheme? I raise this the fishermen work; and as such we because the Municipality was asked to determine our monthly instalment for take back the Housing Scheme and the 17-year repayment period at $15.50 collect all the arrears, but we are not per month. If the fishermen pays $15.50 prepared to do that after getting into a per month for the 17 years he owns mess. I do hope that the Honourable the house and the land, and that is Minister will assure this House whether worked out to be roughly about 20 he will look into this. per cent of the lowest earning group that is $80 per month, and I think Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, that is reasonable to expect of any Sir, as I said, housing schemes in a individual to repay for his accom State are run and administered by the modation. State Government, and as such it is up to the State Government to decide Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam: Mr Spea what they intend to do with such ker, Sir, that is not my question. My Housing Estates. As far as the Federal question is, will the Ministry try to Government is concerned, we provide put in a word to the State Govern the funds and we provide the technical ment—that is if you allow these assistance, and in my case, I assist the Malays to go on accumulating their State Government in deciding the arrears, they will end up like the priorities and in some cases the type RIDA assistance in bankruptcy in of houses to be built. But as far as court, finally. So, I hope the Ministry administration is concerned, I am will at least make an enquiry and give afraid that as long as the State Govern them some advice—and surely the ment pays up its repayment to the Minister of Local Government and Federal Government, there is nothing Housing has every authority to advise. more that I can do, and I cannot interfere with the State Government's Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, administration; and as far as the Sir, as I said, the State has its own arrears are concerned in Ipoh, I think autonomy in this matter, but certainly that is a matter for the State Govern I will raise this with the State Govern ment to decide. If the State is prepared ment as a matter of practice that it to carry on with the arrears, there is would be highly undesirable to allow 1029 21 JUNE 1966 1030 very long arrears to accumulate. I stand. I think the Minister is being too think I notice that it is a favourite kind to go beyond his limit to give his pastime of Opposition benchers to explanation, and in doing so he has always single out any problem which been wrongly interpreted. involves a Malay, a Chinese or an Indian. Why should the Honourable {Note: Question time was up, and Member persist in this kind of think the answers to Oral Questions Nos. 15 ing. We must all think in terms of to 17 are given below): being Malaysians. We must not single out a problem where Malays are PRINTING OF SUARA MALAYSIA involved, Chinese are involved, Indians are involved. I think the time has come 15. Tuan C. V. Devan Nair asks the especially for Members of this Hon Minister of Information and Broad ourable House to take a lead in this casting to state (a) the Printers for the matter and refrain from touching on different Language editions of Suara any problem involving the Malays, Malaysia; (b) whether tenders were Chinese, or Indians. called for the printing of these editions; (c) if so, whether these Printers had Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam: Mr Spea tendered the lowest quotations; and ker, Sir, supplementary question—I (d) if no tenders were called, whether wonder if the Honourable Minister other printing firms could have printed understood the question. The question them at lower cost equally efficiently. is specifically directed to Malays. My supplementary question to the Minister The Minister of Information and is, "Do you understand the question?" Broadcasting (Tuan Senu bin Abdul Rahman): Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, (a) The Printers for Suara Malaysia Sir, I understand the question per are as follows: fectly. The question itself involves Malays; but the supplementary ques (i) English and Rumi—Kum tion raised by the Honourable Mem Printers, ber has nothing to do with the (ii) Tamil version—Tamil Ne- question. It involves, Sungai Rokam, san. and he brought up the question that (iii) Chinese version—China arrears arose, because they involve the Malays. Press. (iv) Jawi version—Solai Press. Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam: Mr Spea (b) Tenders were called for the ker, Sir, on a point of clarification. I printing of the paper. never said it arose because it involves (c) Quotations for printing the Jawi Malays. I said that it was a Malay and the Tamil versions were the Housing Scheme within this question; lowest. In regard to the Rumi, and the question raised was, that they English and Chinese versions, the are unable to pay their due. If the contracts were given to printers Honourable Minister wants to speak which had adequate facilities on non-communalism, I think he is the such as linotypes, printing last qualified, because he is abetting machines and type faces for communalism in this country. headings. The advice of the Government Printer was sought Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, in this matter. The Departmental Sir, do you want to be involved in a Tenders Board considered the debate on this matter? I am prepared quotations received and the to do so with your leave, Sir. recommendations of the Govern ment Printer. Treasury approval Mr Speaker: I do not think that it was obtained in accordance with is a question of debate on an outside the regulations. matter. The questions and answers, how they have led to this, I cannot under (d) Not applicable. 1031 21 JUNE 1966 1032 BILANGAN SHARIKAT BERITA ADJOURNMENT SINE DIE DI-MALAYSIA (MOTION) 16. Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad bertanya kapada Menteri Penerangan dan Pe Tun Haji Abdul Razak: Tuan Yang nyiaran (a) berapa-kah bilangan shari di-Pertua, saya menchadangkan bahawa kat2 berita yang di-benarkan melapor- apabila tamat meshuarat hari ini kan berita di-negeri ini; dan (b) sama Majlis ini akan di-tanggohkan kapada ada Kerajaan Malaysia akan mem- satu masa yang tidak di-tetapkan. benarkan Sharikat Berita Tass Soviet atau Sharikat2 Berita dari negeri2 di- Tun Dr Ismail: Tuan Yang di- dalam Blok Kominis Eropah mem- pertua, saya mohon menyokong usul ini. 2 buka chawangan di-Malaysia, jika Question put, and agreed to. tidak, mengapa. Resolved, Tuan Senu bin Abdul Rahman: That at its rising today, the House shall (a) Bilangan Sharikat berita yang stand adjourned sine die. di-benarkan melaporkan berita di-negeri ini pada masa ini: 7: BILLS Reuter. THE SOCIETIES (AMENDMENT) Associated Press of America. BILL United Press International. Agence France Presse. Second Reading Cathay Service Agency. Tun Dr Ismail: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg Jiji Press. to move that a Bill entitled "an Act to amend the Societies Act, 1966," Pan Asia News Agency. be now read a second time. Press Trust of India. (b) Saperti Ahli Yang Berhormat Sir, the object of this Bill is to amend sendiri sedar, kita tidak ada certain sections of the Societies Act, hubongan diplomatik dengan 1966, and the sections referred to are 2 clearly stated in the Explanatory negeri yang tersebut itu. Walau Statement of the Bill. During this short bagaimana pun jika hubongan period that the Societies Act has been diplomatik di-buat dan mereka enforced since 1st February, 1966, the membuat permohonan untok 2 sections under reference need to be membolehkan wakil Sharikat amended, and for the information of berita di-negeri kita ini, per Members of this House, I shall state mohonan itu akan di-timbang- briefly why these amendments are kan pada masa itu. necessary. LANJUTAN PERKHIDMATAN TALIVISHEN It will be noted that among other things the Bill seeks to amend sections 17. Tuan Hussein bin Sulaiman ber 2 (/), 24, 40 (1), and 53 (1) of the Act. tanya kapada Menteri Penerangan dan In this connection, section 2 (f) and Penyiaran bila-kah perkhidmatan Tali- sections 40 (1) and 53 (1) of the present vishen dapat di-adakan di-Pantai legislation make reference to the Timor khas-nya di-Kelantan. Registrar of Schools, Supreme Court and Sessions Court respectively. In so Tuan Senu bin Abdul Rahman: far as Sabah is concerned, there is no Persiapan dan persediaan untok meng- appointment of Registrar of Schools in adakan Talivishen di-Kelantan sedang that State, and for that matter nor is di-jalankan dan pada masa ini sudah there a Sessions Court in Sabah and pun hampir siap. Ada kemungkinan Sarawak. Supreme Courts in Malaysia sa-kira-nya tidak di-halangi oleh apa2 are now known as High Courts. There gangguan yang besar, Perkhidmatan fore, to overcome this difficulty, a more Talivishen akan dapat di-perluaskan general expression of a person or ka-Kelantan di-dalam bulan Julai ini. authority in place of the Registrar of 1033 21 JUNE 1966 1034
Schools, the substitution of the expres Tun Dr Ismail: If the adviser is in sion "High Court" for "Supreme the form of a single person then it is Court", and addition of "Sessions quite clear as it is determined that they Court" will rectify the present defi must be Federal citizens. But if it is a ciencies contained in the legislation. firm involving partners, some of whom may be citizens and some not, then I As regards section 17 (2), the think the criteria would be whether the present legislation provides that the members of the firm, the majority of Registrar of Societies may suspend the members of the firm—that include the operations of section 17 of the Act senior partners—are Federal citizens. only for the purpose of enabling, a society to wind up its affairs. It is felt Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam: Sir, on that it is rather restrictive, and the a point for clarification: Would it not adoption of the procedure laid down be much easier and safer to say that in the old legislation, whereby the only an individual can be appointed Registrar may suspend the operation legal adviser, which would do away of Section 17 (1) for any reason that with the question of firm having non- he may think expedient, is adminis citizens amongst them? tratively more convenient and practi cable. Tun Dr Ismail: A wonderful sugges tion from the Honourable Member, Lastly, Sir, amendment to sub but I would not like to restrict any paragraph (a) of paragraph 2 of political party, who may like to retain Schedule 1 to the Act involves an a firm to be political advisers to the important principle. As the law stands party. the Act requires every political party to make provision in its rules that Question put and agreed to. every member, office bearer, executive officer, or adviser, other than a legal Bill accordingly read a second time adviser, shall be Federal citizens. The and committed to a Committee of the amendment sought will make it whole House. mandatory that such an adviser will House immediately resolved itself also be a Federal citizen, and this will into a Committee on the Bill. be consistent with the principle laid down in the law that only citizens will Bill considered in Committee. be allowed to take part in the political affairs of the country. (Mr Speaker in the Chair) Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand Sir, I beg to move. part of the Bill. The Assistant Minister of Finance Bill reported without amendment: (Dr Ng Kam Poh): Sir, I beg to second read the third time and passed. the Motion. THE EMPLOYEES PROVIDENT Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam (Ipoh): FUND (AMENDMENT) BILL Mr Speaker, Sir, I rise merely on a point of clarification. The amendment Second Reading with regard to legal advisers is Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I reasonable in the context of the beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Societies Ordinance, but may I ask for Act to amend the Employees Provident clarification what will be the position Fund Ordinance, 1951", be read a if a society appoints a firm of soli second time. citors, where there are Federal citizens and non-citizens employed by that firm. The purpose of this Bill is to» amend Is it clear in the Ordinance that only section 12 (3) (a) of the Employees an individual can be appointed legal Provident Fund Ordinance so that adviser, if not what would be the the rate of interest that is declared position, if such a firm is appointed by the Employees Provident Fund legal adviser to a political party? Board at the end of each year of 1035 21 JUNE 1966 1036 operation can be credited to contribu House immediately resolved itself tors account at the time that with into a Committee on the Bill. drawal of contribution is made. Bill considered in Committee. Under the E.P.F. Ordinance, every employee, with the exception of those (Mr Speaker in the Chair) enumerated under the First Schedule Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand part to the Ordinance, is required to con of the Bill. tribute to the Employees Provident Fund. At the end of each year of Dr Ng Kam Poh: Sir, I beg to move operation, the Employees Provident that the Bill be now reported back to Fund Board is empowered to declare a the House. certain rate of interest on contributions. This rate of interest varies from year Question put, and agreed to. to year, depending on the existing House resumed. assets of the Fund at the time that the interest rate is determined. For ex Tuan D. R. Seenivasagam: Mr ample, the rate of interest declared for Speaker, Sir, on a point of order—1 1964 was 51/4pe r cent and in 1965, 51/2 do not think there is a quorum. per cent. The rate of interest that is declared {Division bell rung: House counted: at the end of a particular year cannot 26 Members present?} be applied to withdrawals in the course of the following year, because Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr Speaker, Sir, of the existing provision of Section 12 I beg to report that the Bill has been (3) (a) of the Ordinance which stipula considered in Committee and has been tes that the rate of interest payable on agreed to without amendment, and I such withdrawals is only 21/2 per cent formally move that the Bill be read per annum. It is considered that the a third time and passed. interest rate payable on withdrawal should be the declared rate of interest Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: from year to year instead of the pre Sir, I beg to second the motion. sent statutory rate of 21/2 per cent per Question put, and agreed to. annum. In other words, the benefits of a higher rate of interest on withdrawal Bill accordingly read a third time should be passed on to the contribu and passed. tors. It is now intended that the interest rate on withdrawal of contributions THE LOAN (INTERNATIONAL should be the rate that is declared by TIN BUFFER STOCK) BILL the Board in respect of the preceding year rather than the statutory rate of Second Reading 2\ per cent per annum. Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an The Bill before this House seeks an Act to authorise the borrowing of a amendment to section 12 (3) (a) of the sum not exceeding the sum of ninety- Employees Provident Fund Ordinance four million dollars in order to finance accordingly to give effect to this bene the payment of the share of the Federa fit to contributors. tion in the Buffer Stock to be estab Sir, I beg to move. lished under Article X of the Interna tional Tin Agreement, 1965, and for Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: purposes incidental thereto", be read a second time. Sir, I beg to second. Question put, and agreed to. Mr Speaker, Sir, you will recollect that on 17th March, 1966, Command Bill accordingly read a second time Paper No. 9 of 1966 was laid on the and committed to a Committee of the Table to inform members that Malay whole House. sia has signed the Third International 1037 21 JUNE 1966 1038
Tin Agreement. As required by the sia's contribution to the Second Buffer Agreement, the Instrument of Ratifica Stock could not be transferred to the tion has now been deposited with the Third Buffer Stock. The reason is that Government of the United Kingdom of it is necessary to return the money to Great Britain and North Ireland. The the miners concerned, since some of Third International Tin Agreement, those who contributed to the Second 1965, replaces a similar Agreement Buffer Stock have ceased production, entered into in 1960 for the purpose of while new producers may have emerg primarily of stabilising the price of tin. ed, and also, since the previous Article X of the Agreement makes practice has been to return the money provision for the establishment of a most of the miners involved have Tin Buffer Stock to which producer committed themselves on the strength countries are to contribute in total an of the refund. amount equivalent to 20,000 tons of metal. Malaysia's contribution is It will be seen, therefore, that these based on its voting strength of 45.08% loans will be in no way a burden on and is also dependent on the floor the general revenue of the country and price of tin at the time the Agree although Clause 4 of the Bill provides ment comes into force. The present that the loans and the interest on them floor price is £1,000 per ton and on are charged on the Consolidated Fund, this basis Malaysia's contribution is this is merely to meet the requirement about £9 million. However, producer of the Constitution. Again, Clause countries have asked the floor price of 6 (2) envisages the full repayment of the Agreement be raised to £1,200 per the loan within four years but, in fact, ton. The Tin Council will be discus it is anticipated that repayment will be sing this reguest in June and July this completed within 2 or 3 years from year, and in the event that the floor proceeds of the levy on tin concen price is raised as requested before the trates. coming into force of this Agreement, Sir, I beg to move. Malaysia's contribution to the Buffer Stock will be £10.8 million. It is not Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: possible, therefore, at this moment, to Sir, I beg to second the motion. specify exactly the total contribution that Malaysia will have to make, and Question put, and agreed to. for this reason the higher figure of £11 Bill accordingly read a second time million or $94 million has been used and committed to a Committee of the in the Bill. It follows that the total whole House. loan actually raised is likely to be below the amount stated in the Bill. House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill. The loans raised by the Government Bill considered in Committee. for its contribution to the Buffer Stock, including interest and administrative (Mr Speaker in the Chair) charges, will be repaid by the collec Clauses 1 to 6 inclusive ordered to tion of a cess on tin concentrates, or stand part of the Bill. in other words, it will be repaid by money collected from tin producers Bill reported without amendment; within the country, so that when the read the third time and passed. loans are fully repaid no more cess is collected and the contribution made to THE EXCHANGE CONTROL the Buffer Stock is regarded as (AMENDMENT) BILL belonging to the tin miners. Upon the liquidation of the Buffer Stock, the Second Reading Malaysian credit in it will be distribu Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I ted to the tin miners concerned. The beg to move that a Bill intituled "an same arrangement applied to the Act to amend the Exchange Control Second Buffer Stock and the question Ordinance, 1953" be read a second could perhaps be asked why Malay time. 1039 21 JUNE 1966 1040
The purpose of this Bill is fully set of assisting the Government of any of out in the Explanatory Statement the scheduled territories to secure attached thereto, but I should like to compliance with or detect evasion of take this opportunity to explain the their exchange control regulations. main amendments. This provision was originally included mainly to enable the Controller to The amendments of Section 3 of the comply with requests from the United principal Ordinance will make the Kingdom on exchange control matters. Governor of Bank Negara the Con With the present status of Malaysia as troller of Foreign Exchange for the an independent country, it is no longer purpose of the Ordinance and would appropriate to retain such a provision. also empower the Controller to appoint Besides, most of the scheduled terri officers of Bank Negara as well as tories do not make reciprocal arrange Federal and State officers to assist him ments. in the exercise and performance of his powers under the Ordinance. In this Finally, it is considered that the respect, I should point out that even at authority to compound offences under present the Governor of Bank Negara is Parts II and III of the Fifth Schedule exercising the powers and performing to the principal Ordinance should pro the duties of Controller of Foreign Ex perly rest with the Minister of Finance change, having been appointed Control than the Controller of Foreign Ex ler by His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan change and Clause 9 of the Bill would Agong. The provision concerning the provide for this. appointment of the Governor of Bank Sir, I beg to move. Negara as Controller of Foreign Ex change is therefore merely for the pur Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: pose of making permanent an arrange Sir, I beg too second the motion. ment which is already in existence. The proposal to enable the Controller Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: to appoint other officers to exercise Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mengambil his powers and duties under the Ordin peluang menguchapkan terima kaseh ance would definitely add to the kapada pehak Kerajaan kerana walau efficiency of the administration, and, pun sudah terlewat mengemukakan Bill as regards the appointment of State or yang sa-macham ini, tetapi kesedaran Federal officers, it is the intention that baharu mendesak mereka itu me these officers will be appointed only in ngemukakan. Sa-patut-nya Bill sa- places where the Bank Negara does macham ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, not have a branch. hendak-lah sudah lama di-fikirkan sebab mengikut penerangan, keterangan Clause 2 of the Bill would have the di-sini di-dalam keterangan yang No. 5, effect of making the principal Ordi mengatakan pindaan bagi section yang nance permanent. The principal Orid- 40 dalam Ordinance ini ia-lah mustahak nance came into force on 1st January, kerana hendak mensesuaikan dengan Perlembagaan sendiri. Jadi erti-nya 1954, and was to continue in force for 2 a period of one year although provision Perlembagaan kita sudah hampir 10 was made for the period to be extend tahun, tetapi sudah 10 tahun-lah ba ed. Till now seven extensions have haru hendak di-samakan dengan Per been made and it is most unlikely lembagaan itu, dan ini menunjokkan that the need for exchange control will satu daripada chuai Kerajaan dalam cease in the forseeable future. perkara ini. Dengan Bill ini, apabila kita luluskan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, The amendment of Part I of the saya perchaya-lah Governor Bank Negara kita dapat meneruskan satu Fifth Schedule of the principal Ordi 2 nance would do away with the provi tugas yang betul Governor Bank Ne sion empowering the Controller to give gara yang merdeka dan kita tidak-lah direction to any person in Malaysia to lagi bergantong kapada Bank of Eng supply information in his possession land di-dalam hendak menjual duit which may be required for the purpose atau pun emas. Tetapi, Tuan Yang 1041 21 JUNE 1966 1042 di-Pertua, ada satu perkara yang saya nunjokkan bagitu. Jikalau tidak, maka ta' puas hati di-sini. Saya perchaya ini ada-lah satu perkara baharu dan Menteri yang mengemukakan itu agak- rekaan baharu yang saya tidak fikir nya tentu-lah dia dapat pesan2 yang dapat di-terima di-dalam ilmiah ke dapat menghilangkan keraguan saya, wangan dan ke-bankanan. Jadi, Tuan ia-itu dalam perkara Clause 9 kita hen- Yang di-Pertua saya meminta pen- dak potong perkataan "The Controller jelasan. or any person authorised by him" ke- mudian hendak gantikan dengan "A Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I person authorised by the Minister of understand from the Honourable Mem Finance." Jadi ini, Tuan Yang di- ber for Bachok that he congratulates Pertua, saya rasa, apabila kita hendak the Government on the introducing of bagi full control atau pun kawalan this Bill, but he says that it is a bit yang penoh kapada Bank Negara atau delayed. It is true, Sir, that it should pun kapada Governor Bank Negara have been done long ago. But Malaysia kita, saya rasa kuasa yang sa-macham has been brought about only three ini tidak-lah patut kita berikan kapada years roughly ago. That is why we were Kementerian Kewangan. Sa-patut-nya thinking in terms of Malaysia then. di-serahkan dengan sa-penoh-nya ka For this reason, the question of ex pada Governor Bank itu. Kalau kita change control did not arise until serahkan bagini akan jadi-lah dua recently. That is why we were more kuasa di-dalam menentukan power to or less extending the term of the Con compound dan saya bimbang akan ber- troller, who was appointed by His laku satu salah faham di-antara poli Majesty the Yang di-Pertua Agong to tician dengan pentadbir dalam masa- this day. Now, we make him a per alah ini. Itu pun ada baik-nya kalau manent fixture—he is permanently the sa-kira-nya kuasa itu di-pindahkan Controller of Exchange Control. That, kapada Menteri itu sendiri tidak ka I think, will answer the question raised pada orang yang di-beri kuasa itu, by the Honourable Member for Ba boleh tahan juga, sebab Menteri sa- chok. orang tentu-lah ta' banyak ragam-nya. The second point raised by him is Jadi ini-lah saya tidak dapat why the Honourable Minister should hendak menerima pindaan yang sa- 2 be the one to compound offences in macham ini dengan sa-mata hendak stead of the Governor of Bank Negara. memindahkan kuasa daripada Gover The reason is that he is the highest nor Bank kapada orang yang di- authority. Even though the Governor beri kuasa oleh Menteri ke- 2 of Bank Negara is the Controller in the chuali sa-mata hendak memindahkan sense that he controls foreign exchange dengan tidak ada satu sebab yang being passed out and coming into this mustahak yang perlu di-buat bagitu. 2 country, the Minister of Finance is the Kalau sa-mata hendak pindahkan sa- highest authority in this land—that is haja, saya rasa Bill yang sa-macham 2 the reason and not for political rea ini mengandongi satu maksud politik sons. Otherwise, he is the proper yang tertentu. person who can compound offences made in this Exchange Control Bill. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita tahu ba- hawa hendak mengawal Exchange ini I hope I have satisfied the Honour ada-lah satu perkara yang besar dan able Member for Bachok upon the biasa-nya sa-buah negara itu menentu reasons which I have given. kan polisi-nya, tetapi tidak-lah me- 2 Question put, and agreed to. masok champor dalam kerja Gover nor Bank itu sendiri kechuali Menteri Bill accordingly read a second time kita boleh menunjokkan bahawa ada and committed to a Committee of the negeri2 yang di-dalam Exchange Con whole House. trol Ordinance memberi power to com House immediately resolved itself pound kapada orang yang di-lantek atau pun di-beri kuasa oleh Menteri into a Committee on the Bill. kechuali kalau Menteri boleh me Bill considered in Committee. 1043 21 JUNE 1966 1044
(Mr Speaker in the Chair) Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, susah sadikit Clauses 1 to 9 inclusive ordered to saya hendak menyokong atau hendak stand part of the Bill. membangkang, ia-lah oleh kerana da- Bill reported without amendment: lam penerangan pehak Menteri kita, read the third time and passed. dia sa-mata2 mencheritakan hendak meminjam lebeh banyak duit-nya un- THE EXTERNAL LOANS tok hendak melaksanakan Ranchangan (AMENDMENT) BILL Malaysia Lima Tahun Yang Pertama tetapi dia tidak menerangkan di-mana Second Reading mustahak-nya maka duit itu patut di- Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I pinjam. Jadi tentang hendak mengubah beg to move that a Bill intituled "an figure itu saya tidak membangkang, Act to amend the External Loans Act, lebeh daripada itu pun saya mahu. 1963", be read a second time. Tetapi masaalah-nya untok apa kita hendak berhutang lebeh banyak ini? At present external loans for the purpose of the Development Fund are Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bersetuju raised under External Loans Act, 1963, dengan pehak Kerajaan bahawa dalam which specifies a limit of $300 million development atau pembangunan sa- as the amount that can be raised. To sabuah negara itu tentu-lah tidak ter- date external loans amounting to $285 lepas daripada meminjam duit dari million have been raised under the pada luar negeri, tetapi, Tuan Yang authority of this Act, so that further di-Pertua, mengapa-kah kita mesti loans amounting to $15 million can be pinjam di-luar negeri sampai bagini raised externally although this amount banyak sedang mengikut Ranchangan will not suffice to meet the requirements Malaysia Lima Tahun Yang Pertama of the First Malaysia Plan. itu, "kita tahu terselit di-dalam-nya beberapa projek yang unproductive, According to the First Malaysia yang tidak menghasilkan dari segi Plan programme of loan raisings from ekonomi-nya, sa-bagaimana Pertahanan external sources, a total gross sum of dan Internal Security dan kerja2 yang $1,070 million will be required. This sa-macham itu. Jadi, sekarang ini, excludes a gross sum of $330 million Tuan Yang di-Pertua, konfrantasi which will be raised externally for the sudah selesai, Internal Security pun National Electricity Board for which sudah tentu tidak banyak. Jadi, me the Government is only a guarantor em ngapa-kah duit ini kita hendak pinjam powered to act as such under the rele lagi lebeh banyak? Di-mana hendak vant laws regarding Government di-belanjakan duit itu atau pun hendak guarantees. It is now necessary to raise ubah projek2 yang termaktub di-dalam the limit of the Government's power to buku ranchangan itu atau ada-kah borrow from external sources from hendak di-ubahkan lagi. $300 million to $1,370 million. How ever, it may be possible to raise about Saya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tidak dapat hendak menerima hutang ini $300 million in the form of extended 2 credit, and I have been advised by law kalau-lah bermaksud sa-mata hendak meminjam wang kemudian hendak officers that extended credit is not 2 covered by the External Loans Act. menjalankan pula projek yang sudah The present Bill, therefore, seeks to lama itu, kerana saya tahu, saya sedar, increase the maximum amount that bahawa boleh jadi Kerajaan kita tidak can be raised to $1,070 million only. meminjam sa-banyak ini, tetapi dia The legal authority for borrowing in the meminta izin di-sini, hendak memin form of extended credit will be sought jam di-sini—itu saya tahu. Saya tidak separately. kata dia tetap hendak meminjam tetapi boleh jadi dia tidak pinjam Sir, I beg to move. tetapi ini-lah kerja2 yang di-buat oleh Kerajaan yang nature-nya, tabiat-nya, Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: sa-bagaimana tabiat Kerajaan Per- Sir, I beg to second the motion. ikatan yang ada sekarang ini yang 1045 21 JUNE 1966 1046 walau pun kami chuba hendak meng- according to the Member from Bachok. gulingkan tetapi belum sampai masa I can assure the Member for Bachok lagi. Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, biasa- that if we succeed in borrowing this nya dia mencheritakan hendak pinjam amount, Bachok itself will benefit by wang banyak bagini kemudian dia it. The reason why we want to borrow serentak dengan itu-lah dia mengishti- is that we do not have enough money harkan kapada ra'ayat bahawa dia in this country to accommodate our akan .... First Five-Year Malaysia Plan. We have reserves—I agree to the point of Mr Speaker: Saya suka minta Ahli $2.5 billion, but we need $4.45 billion Yang, Berhormat itu tepat kapada to implement the whole of the Five- point-nya; lepas itu Menteri bagi Year Malaysia Plan. So there is the jawapan; ta' usah kita pusing2; ta' balance of $2.5 billion—there is payah-lah; masa sudah suntok. roughly a $1.9 billion gap—which we have to borrow, and this Act if passed Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzab: 2 to enable us to raise the ceiling of Pusing sadikit sahaja, Tuan, ta' borrowing as one of the means; and if banyak—sadikit .... we succeed in borrowing this money I am sure Bachok in Kelantan will also Mr Speaker: Ia-lah point itu sudah benefit to a great extent, and he will buat tadi, ulang balek lagi sa-kali. benefit for what the Alliance Govern Saya diam sahaja di-sini, tetapi saya ment is doing for him. I hope he will menjaga itu. understand my explanation and will be Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzab: satisfied. Thank you. Terima kaseh Tuan. Jadi, hendak sambong-lah, hendak pusing ini ta' Tuan Hap Abu Bakar bin Hamzab: pakai, terus sahaja, ia-itu saya bim- Sayang, saya minta penerangan tadi; bang takut yang duit hendak di- tetapi dia bagi terang apa yang saya pinjam ini boleh jadi dia tidak pinjam, kata dahulu. Jadi barangkali Yang tetapi sa-bagai satu alasan dengan Bill Berhormat ini tidak faham, jadi saya ini bahawa Kerajaan hendak mem- hendak bacha apa yang saya minta buatkan beberapa projek yang chukup tadi ini ia-itu Menteri kita tidak dapat progressive supaya ra'ayat2 yang sudah hendak memberi penerangan melainkan leteh mendengar janji2 ini mengharap- hendak mencheritakan dia hendak buat kan satu perkara baharu-nya balek. banyak ini-lah yang di-katakan: Jadi ini-lah yang saya tidak faham "When the people is restive the mengapa duit ini hendak di-pinjam Government will announce a blue dengan tidak di-terangkan dari mana, print of a very progressive project in patut hendak di-belanjakan di-dalam nature, but when it comes to imple Five-Year Plan itu. Yang ada di-sini mentation the project gets watered ia-lah sa-mata2 kata-nya to increase down." Jadi, hendak meminjam duit the maximum, chuma2 hendak mem- banyak ini hendak mencheritakan banyakkan sahaja. Why? Fasal apa kami hendak buat itu, kapada Bachok hendak membanyak2kan—dia tidak pun dia hendak bagi, saya Opposition sebut. Jadi ini satu chara penerangan pun dia na' bagi. Ini kesemua satu yang saya tidak dapat hendak mengata cherita yang hendak menggemparkan apa sebab Menteri Muda berbuat orang, ini-lah nature-nya Bill ini dan demikian—tentu-lah bodoh-nya banyak itu-lah maksud-nya. Bila saya kata daripada Menteri yang betul. Jadi, ta' tadi dia menafikan tetapi dari jawapan- dapat-lah saya hendak kata chuma nya dia mengaku. Jadi erti-nya Men saya minta-lah Menteri ini menerang- teri kita ini sa-chara langsong mengia- kan bagaimana dudok-nya wang ini. kan chakap saya, dan nature Bill ini patut di-tolak kalau bagitu erti-nya. Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr Speaker, Sir, even though it is explained here that Question put, and agreed to. we want to increase the amount we Bill accordingly read a second time want to borrow, it is true that we did and committed to a Committee of not say why we want to borrow, the whole House. 1047 21 JUNE 1966 1048
House immediately resolve itself kita, memerlukan Bill yang sa-macham into a Committee on the Bill. ini, tetapi ada disas desus yang boleh Menteri kita patut jawab ia-itu Bill Bill considered in Committee. ini, sa-lain daripada apa yang di- (Mr Speaker in the Chair) terangkan dengan nyata di-sini, di- sebalek itu ada satu perkara yang Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand lain pula ia-itu kita tahu dengan part of the Bill. keterangan yang di-beri melalui Bill ini kita boleh melambatkan bayaran Bill reported without amendment : 2 2 read the third time and passed. barang dan juga khidmat . Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mendapat faham bahawa Kerajaan kita telah pun ber- THE EXTENDED CREDIT BILL hubong dengan pehak di-luar negeri Second Reading ia-itu hendak membawa masok pe- kerja2 ia-itu orang2 yang boleh mem- Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I beri service dan bagitu juga barang2 beg to move that a Bill intituled "an di-luar negeri dengan chara bayaran Act to authorise the raising of loans instalment. Jadi memberi instalment, outside the Federation in the form of membayar harga dengan instalment, receiving goods or services and delay atau pun dengan lewat2 ini tidak ing the payment of the price therefor mudah kita dapat sa-bagaimana juga and the value of services together with kita tidak mudah dapat hutang dari interest thereon to some future dates pada England baharu2 ini melainkan and to provide for matters connected orang2 yang dapat memberi service-nya therewith", be read a second time. yang tidak elok atau pun memberi The foreign assistance that has been barang-nya yang tidak elok. Oleh kerana kita berhajat sangat kapada offered for the First Malaysia Plan 2 includes delayed payments for goods barang dan service dengan chara bayar lambat, maka negara kita akan and services received by the Govern 2 ment from foreign sources. Such di-penohi dengan unsor yang sa- extended credit is increasingly being macham ini. Kalau-lah perkara ini made available by foreign Govern tidak benar berlaku yang sa-macham ments and institutions, and it is esti itu, maka dapat-kah Menteri kita mated that for the purpose of the Plan menerangkan bahawa pehak Kemen- terian kita akan menerangkan jenis2 it may be possible to raise a total sum 2 2 of $300 million by this method. The khidmat —service—dan barang yang purpose of the present Bill is to enable akan terta'alok kapada kuat kuasa Bill the Government to take advantage of ini apabila kita luluskan. Sekian, Tuan the extended credit offers to the extent Yang di-Pertua. of $300 million. The External Loans Act, 1963, which at present provides Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr Speaker, Sir, authority for external borrowings, has what the Member for Bachok was no provision to enable the Govern implying was that we would be receiv ment to enter into extended credit ing goods from England which later on arrangements. I should point out that might turn out to be not so service the sum of $300 million, for which able, or the quality of the goods is not legal authority is now sought, is within that good. But I can assure the the total figure of $1,070 million for Honourable Member for Bachok we external borrowing as required by the are diversifying our range of imports First Malaysia Plan. of products from various countries in Sir, I beg to move. the Aid Malaysia Club. I hope the explanation satisfies the point as raised Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: by the Honourable Member for Bachok. Sir. I beg to second the motion. Question put, and agreed to. Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: Bill accordingly read a second time Tuan Yang di-Pertua, tentu-lah sa- and committed to a Committee of the sabuah negara, sa-bagaimana negara whole House. 1049 21 JUNE 1966 105ft
House immediately resolved itself institution and the final form of this into a Committee on the Bill. charter called the "Agreement Estab lishing the Asian Development Bank" Bill considered in Committee. was signed by representatives of (Mr Speaker in the Chair) Governments, including Malaysia, at a Conference of Plenipotentiaries in Clauses 1 to 4 inclusive ordered to Manila in December, 1965. Member stand part of the Bill. ship, however, is subject to legislative Bill reported without amendment: approval and it is this approval, Mr read the third time and passed. Speaker, Sir. that I now wish to seek. The Asian Development Bank has THE ASIAN DEVELOPMENT been conceived and brought into being BANK BILL by Asians to meet Asian requirements. Its members are predominantly Asian, Second Reading its principal office is in Asia and it is Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I managed and financed mainly by beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Asians. Its main purpose is to accele Act to enable effect to be given to an rate the economic development of Asia International Agreement for the estab and the Far East by encouraging lishment and operation of the Asian economic co-operation within the Development Bank and to enable the region and also by mobilizing funds Federation to become a member thereof from within as well as from without and to make provisions for matters the region in order to finance the deve connected therewith" be read a second lopment of the region. Malaysia has time. traditionally supported international co-operation. She is a party to various Since 1947 the United Nations Eco international agreements. She is a nomic Commission for Asia and the member of various international insti Far East has provided a forum for tutions like the International Bank for discussions and analysis of the econo Reconstruction and Development, the mic problems and outlook for the International Monetary Fund, the broad area stretching from Iran to the International Finance Corporation and Pacific Islands and in 1963 an the International Development Associa E.C.A.F.E. Expert Group on Regional tion. It is in keeping with this tradition Economic Co-operation first formally that Malaysia's representatives have proposed the establishment of a participated in the deliberations and regional bank for Asia. This proposal discussions leading to the signing of was subsequently endorsed by Ministers the Agreement establishing the Asian representing Asian nations at the Development Bank and it is with this E.C.A.F.E, Ministerial Conference on tradition in mind that I now propose Asian Economic Co-operation in the acceptance of Malaysia's member Manila in December, 1963. During ship of the Bank. 1964, detailed technical investigations were made by a Working Group of The Asian Development Bank is not Experts and a comprehensive report the first bank of its kind: the Inter- was made available to governments at American Development Bank and the the end of that year. In March, 1965, African Development Bank are already the twenty-first session of E.C.A.F.E. operating to promote economic deve which met in Wellington, New Zealand, lopment of the geographical regions unanimously agreed to set up a Con concerned. Careful deliberation by the sultative Committee made up of re foremost experts in international finance presentatives of nine Asian countries, has preceded its formation and the including Malaysia, to review the experience of the World Bank arid principal issues involved. After obtain other international institutions have ing the views of various governments been drawn upon in drafting its charter. interested in the establishment of the The Bank is to have an authorised Bank, the Consultative Committee capital stock of US$1 billion of which drew up a preliminary charter for the US$650 million will be subscribed by 1051 21 JUNE 1966 1052
Asian regional members while remain of the Bank, may be established by ing US$350 million is reserved for earmaking up to 10 per cent of its subscription by non-regional member paid-in capital for the purpose, and by countries. The authorised capital stock accepting funds for administration by of the Bank and the subscription of the Bank. The Bank's lending opera each member to the capital stock will tions are divided into two categories: be made up of equal parts of paid-in "Ordinary operations" if they are and callable shares. Malaysia's sub financed from the ordinary resources scription to the original capital stock of the Bank and "special operations" is US$20 million, equally divided if they are financed from Special Funds. between paid-in and callable shares. The ordinary operations will normally The callable shar,es will constitute a take the form of direct loans on terms guarantee for borrowings by the Bank similar to those of World Bank loans in private capital markets and they to developing countries. World Bank will be drawn on only in the unlikely loans are presently made on terms of event that the Bank is unable to 51/2 per cent with maturities normally meet its commitments. As regards up to 25 to 30 years. Special opera paid-in shares, not all of a member's tions financed from any allocation of subscription is to be paid in cash from paid-in capital may be used to make the outset and Malaysia will pay her or guarantee loans of high develop subscription of US$10 million in five mental priority, on terms and condi equal annual instalments. Further, of tions more favourable to the borrower each instalment one-half only will be than the Bank's ordinary operations; in gold or convertible currency while special operations financed from Spe the other half will be in Malaysian cial Funds given to the Bank by the dollars, or "promissory notes or other donor countries for administration may obligations". be for any purpose and on any terms not inconsistent with the overall pur The Bank is open to membership pose of the Bank. Of particular signi by members and associate members ficance, the operation of Special Funds of ECAFE and by other regional will enable the Bank to administer countries and non-regional developed funds received from donor countries countries which are members of the outside Asia on special terms to meet United Nations or of any of its specia the special needs of the region. lised agencies. Thirty-one members including many non-regional capital- Among other things the Articles of contributing countries have already Agreement require that in the Bank's signed the Agreement establishing the operations due regard will be paid to Bank. However, the Agreement enters the needs of the smaller countries of into force only when fifteen Signatories, the region and also to the ability of including ten or more regional mem borrowing countries to repay any loans bers, having subscriptions of at least made. Malaysia naturally will be in a US$650 million deposit their instru position to take advantage of these ments of ratification with the Secretary- considerations and the Asian Develop General of the United Nations. ment Bank can therefore be expected Instruments of ratification must be to be an additional source of develop deposited not later than 30th Septem ment capital for Malaysia. The Bank ber, 1966, and the Articles of Agree may also be expected to provide ment make no provision for the finance on better terms than can be extension of this deadline. obtained from most other sources and at a time such as this when all possible Beside its paid-up capital, the finan sources of aid are being explored to cial resources of the Bank consist of finance the First Malaysia Plan, I Special Funds and funds it may raise cannot welcome more readily the in the future through borrowing in opportunity for Malaysia to be a mem private capital markets. The Bank ber of an institution such as the Asian should also add to its resources through Development Bank. its earnings. Special Funds, in accor dance with the Articles of Agreement Sir, I beg to move. 1053 21 JUNE 1966 1054
Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: borrow and also if we need to, we can Sir, I beg to second. get interest out of it. For the develop ment of the Asian nations this is the Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: purpose of setting up the Bank, and Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya amat-lah the Bank distributes its operation like dukachita dengan chara Menteri kita any other bank—it is as simple as mengemukakan Bill ini. Sa-patut-nya that: only it has got directors as well Bill yang kita hendak bahathkan lepas as executive officers—nothing different daripada ini-lah Menteri kita patut from any other bank. So, there is no memberi penerangan, memberi report2 need for me to explain to the Honour apa dia Asian Development Bank itu, able Member for Bachok what a tidak payah-lah dia membacha. Ini bank is. He should know. If he does memakan masa yang bagitu banyak not know, then he does not deserve to yang barangkali tuan sendiri, kalau sit here. I regret, Sir, that I have to dudok di-tempat saya pun, tidak faham say such things. I do not mean it in apa yang dia cheritakan. Jadi, ini-lah any enmity towards the Member yang saya katakan chara Kerajaan for Bachok; after all, he is a very Perikatan hendak membodohkan good person. Thank you very much. orang2 sa-hingga orang dia pun tidak dapat faham dan tidak patut-lah sa- Question put to and agreed to. orang Menteri Muda yang handsome, Bill accordingly read a second time yang smart macham itu, menchemarkan and committed to a Committee of the diri di-sini. whole House. Saya bertanya kapada pehak Menteri House immediately resolve itself into kita dapat-kah, sa-telah dia memberi a Committee on the Bill. 2 penerangan yang berjela itu, memberi Bill considered in Committee. report, report berkenaan dengan penu- bohan Asian Development Bank ini (Mr Speaker in the Chair) supaya ahli2 dalam Dewan ini dapat membacha dan menimbangkan di-mana Clauses 1 to 8 inclusive ordered to baik-nya, kemudian boleh jadi bukan stand part of the Bill. sahaja capital yang kita hendak $70 Bill reported without amendment: juta atau pun berapa banyak-nya dan read the third time and passed. kita akan dapat menambah lagi, tetapi dengan dia memberi dalam THE LOAN (LOCAL) (AMEND 15 minit hendak membuat satu deve MENT) BILL lopment bagi negara2 Asia dan meng- harapkan orang2 kita ini dapat faham Second Reading dengan 15 minit ini, saya rasa itu tidak Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr Speaker, Sir, I baik. beg to move that the Bill intituled "an Act to amend the Loan (Local) Dan saya perchaya kita izinkan Ordinance, 1959," be read a second kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri ini time. At present domestic loans are mencheritakan apa yang dia bacha raised under the authority of Loans bagaimana gramaphone tadi dia sen (Local) Ordinance, 1959, which speci diri pun tidak tahu apa dia isi-nya. fies a limit of $1,200 million for such Jadi, ini satu perkara ta' tahu-lah loans. To date, a total sum of $1,135 hendak kata, Tuan Yang di-Pertua million has been raised, so that a (Ketawa). further sum of $65 million can still be Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr Speaker, Sir, raised under the authority of this Ordi unwittingly the Member for Bachok nance. However, it is now necessary has said that I myself do not under to consider the requirements of the stand what I am reading. I do under First Malaysia Plan which was tabled stand what I am reading, and the pur in November, 1965. pose of this Bill is just that we, the Asian I should explain that in addition to the nation set up an Asian Development amount to be raised by way of Treasury Bank from which we ourselves can Bills under the Treasury Bills (Local) 1055 21 JUNE 1966 1056
Ordinance, 1946, and by way of hendak dapat kechuali kalau Menteri short-term loans under the Loans kita ada reserve fund barangkali (Local) Act, 1961, the total amount of Menteri2 kita macham orang kata gross domestic borrowing required for ia-lah yang ada duit itu masaalah lain. the purpose of the First Malaysia Plan is $1,075 million. It is, therefore, Apabila benda ini berlaku, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita dapat hutang necessary to raise the limit of the 2 Government's power to obtain domes banyak bagini daripada orang busi tic loans under Section 3 (1) of the ness ini maka kita mahu tidak mahu terpaksa ikut kapada term atau pun Loan (Local) Ordinance by $1,010 2 million, or to use a neater figure, by kapada peratoran yang orang itu mem $1,000 million, and the purpose of beri di-luar—perkara loteri—itu yang kita takut. Jadi, dengan demikian the present Bill is merely to revise the 2 limit of the amount of loans that can pehak tuan business yang besar mem be raised under the Ordinance from beri hutang kapada kita ini sudah $1,200 million to $2,200 million. tentu dapat mempengarohi Kerajaan, dan akhir-nya Kerajaan ini akan tun- Sir, I beg to move. dok kapada tuan2 hutang yang pada kita berhutang itu. Maalum-lah kalau Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: saya berhutang kapada tuan tentu Sir, I beg to second the motion. saya ikut sahaja tuan kata apa sa-kali pun. Jadi, ini erti-nya Kerajaan ini Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: moving dan bergerak untok hendak Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-kali lagi saya menggadaikan kemajuan negeri ini bangun menyatakan dukachita di-atas kapada business interest ini dan boleh Bill ini. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita jadi oleh kerana dalam business interest berhajat kapada hutang ini, ia-itu ini ada juga Menteri2 kita yang ada hutang yang di-namakan Local—hutang masok sher halal. dalam, local loan, dengan maksud hendak menolong membiayai Ran- Jadi, erti-nya dia memerentah satu changan Kemajuan Malaysia yang pehak dan menjadi business satu Pertama. pehak, jadi, dia sudah untong dua itu, itu sebab saya sa-malam ber- Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-bagaimana tanya kapada Timbalan Perdana Men saya telah katakan di-dalam masa teri ada-kah dia perchaya sa-sabuah meshuarat perbelanjaan kita pada Kerajaan yang nature-nya bagini dapat tahun yang lalu ia-itu saya amat-lah membuat sa-suatu yang baik kapada bimbang terhadap masa depan Pem- ra'ayat; jadi, Timbalan Perdana Men bangunan Malaysia ini kalau kita teri kata Kerajaan kita "The nature berhutang banyak sangat walau pun of the Alliance Government is not of di-dalam negeri. Sebab-nya, Tuan that". Maka hari ini kita nampak-lah Yang di-Pertua, pehak2 yang boleh wang ini kapada local Loan di-mana memberi hutang kapada Kerajaan atau hendak dapat ini kalau tidak daripada kapada Negara kita tentu-lah orang2 pehak2 business interest. Apabila di- kaya bagaimana orang2 yang ada kebun ambil hutang ini maka kita akan getah banyak, dan orang2 perniagaan, terchengkam dengan kehendak2 orang business yang banyak jadi, ini-lah ini. Jadi, erti-nya Kerajaan kita ini orang2 yang dapat memberi hutang- menunjokkan kapitalis yang ada. Ini- nya, ra'ayat yang di-luar bandar tidak lah satu perkara yang besar yang saya ada duit hendak memberi hutang. bimbang perkara ini akan berlaku dan Jadi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, untok saya perchaya Menteri kita tidak dapat menjayakan Ranchangan Lima Tahun menunjokkan di-mana dia boleh dapat kita ini nyata-lah Kerajaan kita ini duit ini kalau tidak daripada business terpaksa mengadakan political compro interest. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, apabila mise ia-itu satu tolak ansor politik kita dapat duit ini lagi sa-lain daripada antara Kerajaan dengan business saya membayangkan itu kita meminjam interest ia-itu orang2 yang pegang duit ini boleh jadi kita meminjam-nya interest dalam negeri ini, jika tidak dia dengan jalan undang2 yang kita adakan tidak akan dapat wang ini di-mana dia tadi ia-itu dengan bayar ansor2. Jadi, 1057 21 JUNE 1966 1058
erti-nya kita meminta duit daripada Tuan Tajudin bin Ali: Tuan Yang business interest itu hendak membuat di-Pertua, saya tidak mahu jawab, dia building (bangunan) maka dia kata ini langsong tidak ada fact berchakap, aku tidak ada duit, tetapi aku beri dia berchakap semua-nya supposition, hutang dengan goods (barang2) jadi agak2 sahaja. Jadi, kita bernasib baik kamu boleh bayar chara beransor2. Malaysia ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ada Jadi membeli barang dia itu satu dia orang2 yang sunggoh ta'at setia pada sudah dapat untong, dengan satu negeri ini, terutama kaum kapitalis instalment sa-kali lagi dapat untong yang bekerjasama rapat dengan Kera dan oleh kerana kita hendak berhutang jaan. Ini kita sanjong tinggi kaum ka dengan dia—lagi sa-kali dia dapat pitalis dalam negeri kita ini, kalau untong, jadi tiga kali. Jadi, itu-lah tidak kita ada ubat untok mereka itu. saya katakan Kerajaan kita ini sadikit berganjak kapada hendak menggadai Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa-lain dari negeri ini kapada kapitalis2. Jadi, saya pada kita minta bantuan daripada minta-lah Menteri kita ini beri pene- orang yang ada duit dalam negeri kita rangan. Saya tahu Ahli Yang Berhor- ini, duit yang datang sa-chara ini, pada mat ini pandai dalam kedoktoran, pendapat saya yang sengkat dapat kita tetapi barangkali dia bukan-nya ahli mempertahankan mata wang kita itu. ekonomi, dan bagaimana dia hendak Ma'ana saya berchakap ini, Tuan Yang champor ubat kimia itu? di-Pertua, supaya matawang itu jangan jatoh harga-nya. Jadi, ini satu daripada Tuan Tajudin bin Ali (Larut Utara): jalan yang sangat baik sa-lain daripada Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun menolong Kerajaan menjalankan ran- menyokong Bill yang di-kemukakan changan2 yang tertentu. Mata wang itu oleh Menteri Muda Kewangan. Tuan sentiasa kuat. Ma'ana-nya, kalau ter- Yang di-Pertua, barang di-ingat sa-lain lampau banyak duit dalam negeri, ta' daripada Amerika semua negara dalam dapat tiada harga wang itu akan sa dunia ini berhutang, satu living thing dikit demi sadikit jatoh. Dengan jalan mesti berhutang, satu Kerajaan yang ini semua dapat faedah, kaum kapitalis progressive mesti berhutang, berlainan dapat faedah, lebeh2 lagi ra'ayat jelata, sangat dengan Kerajaan Kelantan, kalau Tuan Yang di-Pertua. tidak ada duit jual tanah sunggoh pun Jadi, saya tidak bersetuju sangat-lah tanah itu ia-lah tanah Malay Reserva 2 tion. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, perkara ini perkara yang di-keluarkan oleh wakil bukan satu perkara yang baharu, kita dari Bachok tadi, tidak ada satu perkara telah pun dapati ia-itu sa-banyak $1,200 yang baharu, dia berchakap kerana hendak berchakap. Apabila di-suroh juta chuma kita hendak lebehkan buat satu pun tidak boleh buat sampai sahaja, dan ini untok ra'ayat jelata. 2 negeri Parti dia jaga 1/3 dari- Tuan Yang di-Pertua, mana pehak pada-nya telah pun di-jual. Kita tidak pun tidak di-paksa, di-pelawa dan di- mahu bagini. Kita chari duit yang ada hasut mengeluarkan duit mereka itu dalam negeri kita. Ini patut dia faham. untok memberi hutang yang Kerajaan Lain kali hendak berchakap bukan pelawa kemudian hari kelak. Barang berchakap sahaja, kita hendak jalan apa di-ingat, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kaum yang kita boleh buat untok faedah kapitalis sangat pandai, kalau duit-nya kapada ra'ayat. Ini besar ma'ana-nya. itu tidak dapat di-keluarkan di-sini, di- Jangan chakap angin sahaja. mana2 negeri laku, umpama-nya di- Australia, India, di-mana2, dan bunga- nya berlebehan lagi daripada yang kita Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: dapati dalam negeri ini. Kaum kapi Untok penjelasan. Berkenaan dengan talis tidak dapat di-paksa, tidak dapat urusan Negeri itu, saya bukan Ahli di-ajar, dia tahu meletakkan duit Dewan Negeri, saya Ahli Parlimen. mereka itu di-mana2 mereka itu suka Dia orang Perak dekat rumah saya. dan lebeh lagi, tetapi Tuan Speaker pun orang Perak, tidak patut Tuan biar saya bergadoh dengan Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: dia, sama2 Perak (Ketawa). Ini saya Tuan Yang di-Pertua, are you a sudah naik marah, Tuan Yang di- capitalist? Pertua. 1059 21 JUNE 1966 1060
Dr Ng Kam Poh: Mr Speaker, Sir, reserve backing, and our backing for the Member for Bachok, who was origi a dollar is 110%. Not even the U.S. nally from Taiping, I think, is really a dollar has got that amount of gold bit confused. We have moved a few backing—That I can assure the Honour Bills in respect of External Loans and able Member for Bachok. So, he need now we are moving a Bill for domestic not worry if we start borrowing, because loans. Mr Speaker, Sir, it is always a by borrowing money, we pick up pro better way to raise money domestically, jects and from projects then we develop because then we do not lose foreign our country and from development we exchange. By this method we intend to earn back money. In this way the money raise the maximum by $1 million, rotates. Thank you, Sir. roughly, to $2,200 million. It is not the business interest that we borrow from Tuan Haji Abu Bakar bin Hamzah: under all the capitalists who can in Tuan Yang di-Pertua, untok penje- lasan. Saya minta penerangan tadi saya fluence the Government we borrow 2 from. We borrow from, for example, berfaham bahawa duit itu kebanyakan anybody who wants to subscribe to a yang akan dapat dari sumber apa loan, and we publish it in the papers yang saya katakan business interest, and the loan subscription is always over tetapi Menteri kata tidak—any body. the normal which we are asked to sub chuba-lah Menteri kita tunjokkan any scribe. Supposing the people are asked body itu siapa? Tunjokkan satu to subscribe for $15 million, we usually example any body. What do you mean get an over subscription of $5 million by any body? (Interruption inaudible). because the people like the E.P.F. Question put, and agreed to. would like to lend money to the Government and people like various Bill accordingly read a second time banks, for example, would also like to and committed to a Committee of the lend money to the Government, because whole House. it is in the charter of the bank and House immediately resolved itself various institutions that the money that they have accumulated is for the deve into a Committee on the Bill. lopment of the country, so the domestic Bill considered in Committee. borrowing, where we are concerned, need not worry the Member for Bachok (Mr Speaker in the Chair) too much; after all I was from Taiping Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand part too, and if I am not worried from the of the Bill. country's point of view, I do not see why the Member from Bachok should Bill reported without amendment: be worried. Honestly, we are in a very read the third time and passed. strong financial position. If he does not Mr Speaker: Persidangan ini di- believe it, it comes down to a simple, tempohkan sa-hingga pukul 4.00 petang very simple elementary question of the ini. common dollar. Sitting suspended at 1.00 p.m.
Mr Speaker, Sir, at the present Sitting resumed at 4.05 p.m. moment, in spite of all our loans, our one dollar is still comparable to the old (Mr Speaker in the Chair) dollar. One U.S. dollar is worth 3.06 Malayan dollar. Fifty-five cents of our THE DEWAN BAHASA DAN Malayan dollar is equivalent to one PUSTAKA (AMENDMENT) BILL Hongkong dollar. Roughly, one Mala yan dollar is still equivalent to 7 times Second Reading baht; and if you go round the curren Tuan Lee Siok Yew: Mr Speaker, Sir, cies in the world, you will find that the I beg to move that "the Dewan Bahasa Malaysian dollar is hard currency—it dan Pustaka (Amendment) Bill, 1966" is one of the hardest currencies in the be now read a second time. As stated, world. We can boast of that we have Sir, in the Explanatory Statement, the not only gold backing but foreign Bill is self-explanatory. However, I 1061 21 JUNE 1966 1062
shall explain briefly the reasons for the Clause 2 of the Bill. The amendment proposed amendments. also provides an enabling clause for the Board, with the approval of the Firstly, under sub-section (3) of Minister of Education, to make rules section 4 of the Dewan Bahasa dan for a pension scheme should such Pustaka Ordinance, 1959, the power change be considered desirable by the to appoint the Secretary of the Board Government later on. of Control of the Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka is vested with the Minister of Sir, I beg to move. Education. But since the Board has the Tuan Ibrahim bin Abdul Rahman: power under the provision of section Sir, I beg to second the motion. 14 (a) of the same Ordinance to appoint, with the approval of the Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad: Tuan Honourable Minister of Education, the Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun menyo- Director of the Dewan Bahasa dan kong Rang Undang2 yang ada di- Pustaka, and the Secretary is working hadapan kita ini. Saya chuma hendak directly under the Board and the menyentoh atas penerangan yang di- Director, it is considered desirable that berikan oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri the power to appoint the Secretary be Muda Pelajaran tadi. Memandang vested with the Board. kadapa Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka ini ada-lah satu badan yang terpenting Secondly, the existing provision for pada hendak melaksanakan bahasa the making of loans to officers and kebangsaan kita, maka memang sudah servants of the Board restricts the sa-mesti-nya Rang Undang2 yang sa- power of the Board to give loans for umpama ini di-pinda. Di-samping itu the purpose of purchasing means of dalam Lembaga Dewan Bahasa dan conveyance only. The Board is at Pustaka ini, gemar saya menarek per- present considering the making of hatian pehak yang berkenaan supaya housing loans to its officers and ser dapat meneliti pandangan2 yang saya vants. In order to extend the provisions akan berikan. of giving loans to officers and servants of the Board for the purpose of acquir Pertama sa-kali menurut hemah saya, ing, building and purchasing houses sayugia di-adakan perchitakan sendiri. for their personal use other than Pada masa ini segala penerbitan yang conveyance only, it is necessary to di-keluarkan oleh Dewan Bahasa dan amend section 19 (c) of the Ordinance Pustaka itu semua-nya melalui perchi as proposed in paragraph 2, Clause 2 takan sa-chara borong; maka ini men- datangkan kesulitan, khas-nya pada of the Bill. Clause 2 of the Bill also 2 requires the borrowers to mortgage waktu akhir tahun. the lands including houses to the Board Yang kedua, memandang kapada as security for such loans. banyak buku keluaran daripada Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka ini, saya meminta Thirdly, paragraph 3 of Clause 2 is supaya Lembaga ini memerhatikan intended to give powers to the Board pandangan saya ini dengan mengada to make rules in respect of salaries, kan satu setor bagi menambahkan allowances and conditions of service of setor yang ada supaya sesuai dan its officers and servants and to estab kemas bagi sa-buah Dewan Bahasa dan lish and manage its own Provident Pustaka yang lengkap. Fund. At present some of the Board's employees, apart from those required Yang ketiga, saya nampak supaya by law to contribute to the Govern di-adakan juga penjualan buku chara ment Employees Provident Fund, have bergerak dengan mengunakan kereta. been contributing 10 per cent of their Kalau buku2 daripada luar negeri basic salary towards the Board's Pro sanggup mengadakan penjualan chara vident Fund for which no provision bergerak ini, saya tidak fikir Dewan has been made in the Ordinance for Bahasa dan Pustaka ini tidak boleh its establishment. In order to regularise membuat demikian pada satu masa its establishment, it is necessary to yang akan datang. Maka dengan ini amend the Ordinance as proposed in akan menyenangkan buku2 keluaran 1063 21 JUNE 1966 1064
~aripada Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka Saya bertanya, Tuan Yang di 1tu sampai kapada ra'ayat dalam Pertua, kerana pada 12hb Julai ini negeri yang menghendaki buku2 itu, satu perbicharaan akan berlaku di bukan sahaja bagi kanak2 sekolah Mahkamah di-antara sa-buah pener tetapi termasok-lah juga ra'ayat bitan asing di-negeri ini dengan PENA Malaysia yang menghendaki supaya (Persatuan Penulis National) yang bahasa kebangsaan itu hampir kapada mempertahankan kedudokan Penulis2 mereka. kita. bahawa penulis2 yang telah Sekian-lah, terima kaseh. menulis beberapa karia telah di-ambil oleh pehak sa-buah penerbitan dan Wan Abdul Kadir bin Ismail (Kuala di-siarkan dengan tidak sa-tahu Trengganu Utara): Tuan Yang di pengarang2-nya dan perkara ini patut Pertua, saya menyokong Rang Un di-selesaikan di-luar mahkamah tetapi dang2 ini bagi menyempurnakan telah lama sangat perkiraan dan kira perjalanan Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka, bichara sangat ini sa-hingga terpaksa suatu Lembaga yang sangat penting pehak PENA membawa perkara ini dalam negara kita ini, Lembaga yang ka-mahkamah. 12hb Julai akan men menjadi alat memperkuatkan perkem jadi tarikh yang akan menentukan bangan bahasa kebangsaan yang men 2 jadi alat perpaduan yang besar dalam tentang perlu-nya Undang Hak Chipta ini di-adakan dengan segera bagi masharakat berbilang bangsa di 2 Malaysia ini. menjamin kedudokan pengarang kita dalam usaha supaya mereka dapat Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya merasa memberi sumbangan yang sa-benar2- 2 bahawa Rang Undang Pindaan ini nya bererti bagi perkembangan J;>a~asa sa-patut-nya sudah lama di-kemuka kebangsaan ia-itu tugas yang d1-p1kul kan, kerana saya tidak dapat memikir oleh Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka sa kan bagaimana Lembaga Dewan bagai pendokong-nya. Bahasa dan Pustaka itu berjalan sa lama ini dengan tidak ada Setia-usaha Tuan Yang di-Pertua. perkara yang yang di-lantek, tetapi walau macham kedua yang hendak saya sentoh ia-l~h mana pun saya merasa sa-panjang kita sekarang, seluroh Malaysia masa ini Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka barangkali, berasa besar hati dengan telah menjalankan tugas-nya dengan perdamaian yang telah terchipta chemerlang dan baik dalam mendo antara Malaysia dengan Indonesia. kong dan menggerakkan perkembangan Saya suka-lah bila nanti perdamaian bahasa kebangsaan. Saya merasa yang penoh di-chipta, langkah yang dalam memperkembangkan bahasa pertama yang akan di-jalankan ia-lah kebangsaan ini, saya suka-lah hendak meluluskan ejaan Malindo yang telah menyentoh sadikit satu perkara yang lama di-persetujui tetapi belum sempat sangat mustahak yang telah saya di-jalankan tiba2 konfrantasi datang. sentoh beberapa kali dalam Dewan Saya rasa itu-lah perkara yang pertama ini ia-itu dalam hendak memperchepat sa-kali, langkah yang pertama sa-kali, dan melajukan gerakan perkembangan yang patut di-jalankan sa-lepas perse bahasa kebangsaan ini, ia-lah hasil2 tujuan yang akhir dapat di-tanda usaha dalam bahasa itu harus di-beri tangani antara Malaysia dengan Indo jaminan yang baik. Saya maksudkan nesia bagi mengakhiri konfrantasi kita. bahawa sudah terlalu lewat masa-nya Ini-lah satu perkara yang sangat besar bagi pehak Kerajaan menimbangkan yang akan menjadi suatu titek sejarah untok di-adakan Undang2 Hak Chipta, yang penting dalam mendaulatkan sudah dua tiga tahun saya binchangkan bahasa Melayu ini menjadi bahasa tetapi sampai pada hari ini perkara perantaraan bagi Asia Tenggara selu ini belum lagi di-timbulkan. Saya roh-nya. Langkah ini perlu di-segera berharap bahawa pehak Kerajaan dan kan dengan tidak berlengah2 lagi. dengan initiative Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka Rang Undangz Hak Chipta Tuan Yang di-Pertua, satu perkara ini akan di-kemukakan ka-Dewan ini yang hendak saya sentoh ia-lah ten tidak lama lagi. tang soal bahasa kebangsaan yang 1065 21 JUNE 1966 1066 akan di-daulatkan pada tahun 1967- Pustaka bergerak di-sa-belah Malaysia tahun hadapan-dan kita perchaya Timor. Terima kaseh. dengan ikrar yang di-akui oleh Duli Yang Maha Mulia Seri Paduka Tuan Lee Siok Yew: Tuan Speaker, Baginda Yang di-Pertuan Agong berkenaan dengan soalan yang di dalam Titah di-Raja baharu2 ini, bangkitkan tadi oleh Yang Berhormat tidak dapat tidak akan berlaku pada daripada Kuala Trengganu Utara, tahun hadapan. Tetapi di-dalam kerisis perkara itu tidak di-dalam pentadbiran 2 negeri ini. Tetapi soalan itu akan di yang berlaku di-Sarawak baharu ini, bentangkan kapada Lembaga Dewan soal bahasa ini telah di-jadikan modal 2 Bahasa dan Pustaka. Ahli Yang Ber oleh sa-tengah pehak yang hendak hormat bertata berkenaan dengan menerbitkan kekachauan di-sana de perkara hendak berhubong dengan ngan mengatakan bahawa perubahan copyright. Saya dapat tahu bahawa pemerentah, Ketua Kerajaan di perkara ini ada-lah dalam tangan Sarawak, sa-bagai satu daya hendak Kementerian saya, maka tidak elok memaksa bahasa kebangsaan dengan lah saya berchakap tentang perkara serta merta di-Sarawak. Jadi perkara itu di-sini. ini tidak benar kerana Perlembagaan kita mengatakan bahawa bahasa ke Berkenaan soalan yang di-bangkit bangsaan akan di-rasmikan di-wilayah kan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Malaysia Timor 10 tahun sa-lepas pada Muar Utara berkenaan soal hari Malaysia, erti-nya pada tahun oerchetakan-itu akan di-timbangkan. 1973. Maka saya merasa suka-lah Terima kaseh. mengambil kesempatan ini menyeru Question put, and agreed to. kapada pehak Kerajaan supaya men jelaskan tahun 1973 ini di-Malaysia Bill accordingly read a second time Timor ini patut pehak Dewan Bahasa and committed to a Committee of the dan Pustaka mengadakan chawangan whole House. nya di-Malaysia Timor bagi meninjau House immediately resolved itself apa yang boleh di-buat, menolong into a Committee on the Bill. usaha bagi memperkembangkan bahasa kebangsaan di-Malaysia Timor men Bill considered in Committee. jelang tahun 1973. Barangkali juga (Mr Speaker in the Chair) perlu di-adakan bukan sahaja kamus Melayu yang sekarang sedang hendak Clauses 1 and 2 ordered to stand di-terbitkan tetapi barangkali suatu part of the Bill. kamus Iban/Melayu atau pun perkara Bill reported without amendment : yang memerlukan penyiasatan, pe read the third time and passed. nyelidekan dan usaha yang khusus mengenai Malaysia Timor, yang harus di-pikul dan di-jalankan oleh pehak THE MIDWIVES BILL Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka. Saya rasa Second Reading pada masa sekarang ini sangat-lah patut suatu usaha yang demikian, The Minister of Health (Tuan Baha merupakan chawangan atau sa-bagai man bin SamsJ.Idin): Mr Speaker, Sir, nya di-adakan di-Malaysia Timor bagi I beg to move that the Bill intituled menunggu dan menyediakan suasana "an Act to repeal the Midwives di-Malaysia Timor, bagi menyambut Ordinance, 1954, and to enact a law bahasa kebangsaan yang akan di to provide for better provisions regu jadikan bahasa rasmi yang kekal di lating the registration of midwives and sana pada tahun 1973 kira2 7 tahun the conduct of midwifery and other dari sekarang. Tujoh tahun itu bukan matters connected therewith". masa yang lanjut. Kalau kita bersedia The Midwives Ordinance which was dengan sa-penoh-nya dari sekarang, passed in 1954 was in fact never patut-lah di-adakan suatu chadangan brought into force. It is believed that di-Malaysia Barat ini menjadi chontoh one of the reasons was because the baik bagi pehak Dewan Bahasa dan regulations to the ordinance were 1067 21 JUNE 1966 1068
never passed and, perhaps, also from continuing to practise midwifery. because there were then insufficient The Bill empowers the Minister to number of trained midwives through make regulations for the purpose of out the country. carrying out the provisions of the law. This is an important provision as The Midwives Ordinance was pre regulations may have to be amended pared before the country became from time to time. independent and its provisions have become out-dated and no longer fit Sir, I beg to move. into the present political administrative The Minister of Lands and Mines situation of the country which have (Tuan Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub): undergone considerable changes since Sir, I beg to second the motion. independence. It is now considered that a fresh start should be made and Dato' Dr Haji Megat Khas (Kuala the Ordinance should be replaced by Kangsar): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya a more comprehensive law governing memberi sokongan yang penoh kapada midwives and to provide for better Rang Undang2 yang telah di-kemuka- methods of registration of all practising kan oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri midwives in the States of Malaya. The Kesihatan, kerana ada-lah tujuan-nya Midwives Bill seeks to provide such Rang Undang2 ini ia-lah hendak provisions. mengator dan memeliharakan hak2 bidan2 yang akan dapat masok di- I will now touch on some of the dalam daftar itu, dan juga menyusun important points which are incorpor dan mengatorkan chara2 mereka itu ated in the Midwives Bill. The Bill bekerja dan juga tentang perkara provides for the establishment of a kelakuan terhadap kapada kerja-nya Midwives Board, its powers and dan orang2 yang lain. Maka dengan duties. It provides for one registering sebab itu, saya tidak-lah hendak authority for the whole country and memanjangkan chakap di-sini, kerana the Director of Medical Services, saya memikirkan perkara ini telah States of Malaya, shall be the Regis patut lama di-adakan bukan-lah pada trar. Under the Midwives Ordinance, masa ini sahaja, tetapi bak kata orang 1954, every Chief Medical and Health tua2, biar lambat asalkan datang juga. Officer is the Registrar who maintains the register of all practising midwives Demikian-lah, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. in the States. Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, Perhaps the most important power Sir, like the Honourable Member from of the Board is its power to order the Kuala Kangsar, I wish to congratulate removal of the name of any midwife the Honourable Minister of Health for from the register for various reasons, bringing forth this piece of legislation including the obtaining of registration and, like him too, I wish to say "better by a froudulent or incorrect statement late than never". and for guilty of improper conduct Mr Speaker, Sir, I am particularly or gross negligence. Any person glad that the Minister has thought it aggrieved by the removal of his name fit to include in the Board four from the register can appeal to the medical practitioners who should in- Minister against such removal. include an obstetrician, a member of The Bill also provides that all the Medical Council, a member of the persons untrained in the practice of Malayan Medical Association and the midwifery and who have during the Chief Medical and Health Officer. period of two years immediately Such co-operation with the medical before the commencement of the new profession is indeed a step in the right Act, attended women during child direction; and, again, I wish to con birth are given the opportunity to gratulate the Honourable Minister for register within one year of the promul it. gation of law. Such untrained mid- Mr Speaker, Sir, what I do not agree wives are, therefore, not precluded with the Bill is that on page 6, section 1069 21 JUNE 1966 1070
11 (2) (b), as the Honourable Minister attending to a childbirth of a woman mentioned just now: is a very unpredictable thing. A woman "any person untrained in the practice of may deliver her child very normally, midwifery who, within one year of the com but then there comes a time when the mencement of this Act, satisfies the Registrar blood pours out of the womb like that such person has during a period of two water running out from a tap. Even years immediately before the commencement of this Act attended to women during child with the best of medical attention, we birth." do know that lives have been lost; and we also know that there are so Mr Speaker, Sir, this to me is a many complications, and yet the retrograde step, and I think it is in Ministry has thought it fit to include keeping with modern thinking that is this Clause to allow a person who is in the Ministry—I refer to the contro "untrained in the practice of mid versy that rages in the press over the wifery"—these are the words in the opening of the Dental Registrar to Bill. untrained dental personnel. Now, here is an instance where the Government Now, I do hope that the Minister is bringing forth the registration of will either of his own volition with midwife, who is untrained, and whose draw this Clause, of, if he is very only qualification for being put on a obdurate in wanting to let it remain, register is that she has satisfied the give us an assurance that only people Registrar that during a period of two who really have practised midwifery years immediately before the com but never had a chance to take an mencement of this Bill she has attended examination should be allowed on the to women during childbirth. register. I, myself, am very unhappy over this. Being a professional man, Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, I do not know we always would like to have people how the Ministry chooses to interpret who are trained and who have passed this. But supposing a chap who works a certain minimum qualification: for in a maternity home and all that she example, examination before they can has been doing is to swab the woman, be put on the register. Think of the to hold up the legs, to ask the woman parallel, if it is carried further in the to push—she has attended to the profession. Today it is midwifery; childbirth for two years—are we going tomorrow we are told it is untrained to register such a person? The answer dental mechanics, who want to be is "No"! I see the Minister is placed on the register; the day after shaking his head. Yet you allow the tomorrow it may be assistant medical Registrar this discretionary power officer, and so it goes. So, what is the which, I think, is a retrograde step. value of being a trained midwife, or being a trained dental surgeon, or Mr Speaker, Sir, the whole purpose being a trained doctor? of this Bill, I believe, is to see that people who are trained are allowed Now, I am surprised that the to take on the job of attending to the Ministry, and the Minister himself, childbirth of women. Now, Mr has subscribed to this idea of people Speaker, Sir, it may be that the untrained being placed on the register. Minister, or members of his Ministry I cannot understand the logic of it. If think that attending to the childbirth this Clause is put there, because there of a woman is particularly difficult. is a shortage of personnel, than I After all, in ages past you did not would have thought that the Ministry have doctors, you did not have bidans should get on with the job of training and nature took its own course; if more personnel for the various mid there was P.P.H. so much worse for wife clinics to be scattered up and the patient, and yet the mothers down the country. Here, I wish to survived. But, I think, we in this bring this to the attention of the spaceage should not be thinking along Minister—I do not know whether he those lines. Those of us who have knows a lot, but at least one high practised it, who are practising medi official in his Ministry knows about cine or obstetrics, do know that this. In the training of midwives, the 1071 21 JUNE 1966 1072
Ministry, some years ago, passed a membasmikan beberapa adat resam ruling that no maternity hospital yang merosakkan ekonomi orang2 should train midwives except the Melayu. Government Maternity Hospital. I Yang kedua-nya, dia boleh juga believe, following on that, the State memberi kesihatan kapada anak2 dan Government of Perak insisted that ibu2 di-luar bandar. Saya puji jawatan because of the shortage of midwives ini yang menerima berbagai2 ke- in that State, they despite the ruling susahan yang di-datangkan oleh by the Ministry, would go on training pendudok kampong dengan sabar midwives and thereby the Perak tetapi, mereka terus berkhidmat Chinese Maternity Hospital has been dengan usaha, dengan tujuan memberi training all these years midwives for kesihatan kapada ra'ayat. Di-samping Perak, and these people have gravited itu dalam chara pentadbiran yang from Perak on to Penang, Selangor lebeh baik, bagaimana yang di- and all over the country, and some kehendaki oleh Rang Undang2 ini, have gone to the Government hospitals gemar saya menarek perhatian Dewan to work. mi, supaya dapat di-fikirkan oleh Now, I would draw the attention of Yang Berhormat Menteri Kesihatan. the Minister that if it is a shortage ia-itu dalam masaalah nama bidan. Nama bidan ini juga mendatangkan of midwives, then why should not the 2 Ministry encourage the other Chinese satu pertengkaran di-kampong antara Maternity Hospitals or other Maternity orang ramai dengan bidan. Bidan Hospitals to train midwives. For yang kita ambil itu bidan yang muda, example, in the Chinese Maternity orang kampong panggil dia Mak Hospital in Kuala Lumpur; there you Bidan, memanggil dia Tok Bidan, have a maternity hospital where the tetapi bidan ini tidak setuju dengan total deliveries per year are not far nama itu, hingga mereka suroh gelar from that of the Maternity Hospital in diri dia "Misi". Hal ini sebab saya Kuala Lumpur, and there you have bangkitkan, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, telah as consultant obstetricians three terjadi. Sa-orang bidan dalam kawasan M.R.C.O.Gs. Is there any valid reason saya, menjadi pertengkaran orang why this Chinese maternity hospital in mengatakan Tok Bidan, atau Mak Bidan, bidan ini marah, marah-nya Kuala Lumpur should not be allowed membawa hingga ka-Balai Polis. to train midwives, seeing that it has Mujor-lah ketua Balai Polis itu orang on its staff three consultants as yang tahu mententeramkan, hal ini obstetricians and gynaecologists? I do selesai dengan bagitu. Jadi, saya harap hope that the Ministry will encourage beri satu nama yang sesuai, bidan ini maternity hospitals all over the coun di-panggil Tok Bidan, Mak Bidan dia try to train midwives and probably, marah, kemudian dia suroh sebut it should see that the examinations nama dia "Misi". Orang kampong should be standardised for the whole tidak setuju dengan nama "Misi"—ini country. chara pentadbiran yang saya hendak Mr Speaker, Sir, I have made these bangkitkan. pleas in the hope that the Ministry will see the logic of not putting on the Kemudian lagi satu perkara dalam register anyone who is untrained. hal latehan telah di-beri dua tahun Saya gemar bidan supaya di-beri Tuan Ahmad bin Arshad: Saya latehan—kapada bidan2 kita ini bangun juga turut menyokong Rang menunggang basikal dan motosikal. Undang2 yang ada di-hadapan kita ini. sebab ini menolong diri bidan. Kita Saya chuma ingin menarek perhatian tidak suka dengar bidan2, terutama sa- atas perbahasan dalam beberapa per- kali waktu malam hari, membunching kara yang telah di-sebutkan oleh Yang motosikal atau basikal orang2 lain. Berhormat Menteri Kesihatan tadi. Telah jadi macham2 cherita kita tidak Saya nampak perkhidmatan bidan ini suka, kalau dia naik motosikal, atau satu khidmat yang mulia kapada naik basikal dia sendiri, boleh pergi ra'ayat luar bandar, ia-nya boleh merawat orang yang hendak bersalin. 1073 21 JUNE 1966 1074 Yang ketiga, selalu pernah terjadi yang datang dari luar2 bandar itu sudah pekerja2 bidan waktu menghadap sa- lemah semangat-nya untok datang orang ibu yang akan bersalin, terutama ka-hospital untok menerima rawatan sa-kali ibu yang bersalin sulong, bidan daripada bidan2 ini. ini tidak sanggup merawat ibu itu, dia kata ibu yang hendak bersalin sulong Biasa kita mendapat rayuan atau ini hendak-lah di-hantarkan ka-rumah pun repot2 daripada ibu2 ini dan suka- sakit, tetapi dalam tidak berapa lama lah saya hendak memberi tahu kapada itu ibu yang hendak bersalin ini telah Menteri yang berkenaan baharu2 ini melahirkan anak. Jadi, kejadian yang satu perkara yang telah berlaku di- macham ini patut-lah di-perhatikan, mana sa-orang ibu yang telah sarat di-beri kursus betul2 kapada bidan2 ini hendak melahirkan anak di-Hospital. supaya boleh merawat bukan sahaja Jadi apakala ibu itu di-hantar ka- ibu2 yang bukan beranak sulong tetapi hospital pada waktu suboh telah di- ibu2 yang beranak sulong pun. Penge- dapati oleh Nurse atau pun Midwife tahuan-nya bukan di-sampaikan itu kata-nya "awak belum sampai masa kapada mereka, ini satu kesusahan lagi untok melahirkan anak, awak kapada ra'ayat—kapada orang kam- balek-lah dahulu". Dengan perkatan2 pong yang jauh2an. Jadi saya itu maka ibu yang datang daripada luar fikir ada satu perkara lagi, Dato' bandar yang bagitu jauh itu ta' tahu Yang di-Pertua, berhubong dengan hendak chakap apa2 terpaksa dia bidan. Biasa-nya, bidan kampong pulang dengan hantaran sendiri. Apa yang telah mengambil wang sa- kala sampai-nya dia di-rumah lebeh banyak $5—jika tidak salah dalam kurang sa-jam di-antara perjalanan-nya ingatan saya untok membeli kapas, itu tiba2 dalam masa 15 minit maka sabun, dan lain2, tetapi sa-tengah ibu2 lahir-lah anak di-rumah itu sendiri. Itu- yang hamil ini sa-tengah2 telah mem- lah keadaan yang telah berlaku baharu2 buat pengaduan dengan saya, ada ini dan harus-lah perkara ini saya barang2 yang tidak di-sampaikan kemukakan kapada Menteri. Itu-lah kapada orang yang bersalin itu. Jadi sebab-nya saya katakan tadi supaya perkara yang macham ini-lah yang Nurse apakala hendak di-daftarkan saya sampaikan mudahan2 dapat perlu-lah berkehendakkan percha- perhatian Menteri Yang Berhormat itu. kapan2 yang manis yang boleh menarek ibu2 yang hendak melahirkan Tuan Ismail bin Idris (Pulau Pinang anak. Selatan): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun, untok menyokong Rang Yang kedua, saya bersetuju bagai- 2 mana uchapan wakil daripada Muar Undang ini supaya dapat di-jalankan 2 dengan sa-berapa chepat yang boleh. Utara tadi ia-itu ibu yang hendak Maksud saya ia-lah dengan ada-nya melahirkan anak yang mula itu patut- Rang Undang2 ini apakala di-luluskan lah di-lahirkan di-hospital kerana kita nanti, maka harus-lah kurang kema- dapati—biasa kita dapati terutama tian ibu2 yang melahirkan anak di- sa-kali di-rumah yang jauh daripada rumah2. Di-dalam soal mendaftarkan hospital apakala hendak melahirkan midwives atau bidan2 ini, maka di- anak yang mula itu sangat-lah susah, antara lain perlu-lah di-ambil perha kadang2 placenta atau uri itu tidak tian supaya satu pelajaran mengguna- dapat di-keluarkan harus sampai ber- kan perkataan lemak manis, perkataan jam2 sa-hingga terjadi kehilangan lemah lembut, berperangai baik oleh nyawa. bidan2 atau midwives ini kapada ibu2 yang maseh muda rumaja yang hendak Dan yang ketiga, saya suka hendak melahirkan anak. Tuan Yang di- mengeshorkan di-sini supaya pendafta- Pertua, biasa di-keluarkan perkataan2 ran bidan2 ini hendak-lah di-hadkan yang kesat, perkataan2 yang kurang kapada umor-nya. Umpama-nya, manis di-hemborkan kapada ibu2 kalau-lah bidan2 itu sangat tua melam- terutama sa-kali ibu2 yang tinggal di- paui umor bagaimana kita juga luar2 bandar. Jadi dengan ada per melihat kaki2-tangan Kerajaan apabila kataan2 sa-macham ini kerap kali ibu2 sampai umor 60 tahun dia di-beri 1075 21 JUNE 1966 1076 penchen dan sa-bagai-nya. Jadi tentu- kononkan pula bidan2 di-kampong, lah bidan2 ini juga harus di-hadkan tetapi kita chuba sa-berapa boleh untok umor-nya hanya sekian umor dapat memberi penerangan kapada bidan2 di-daftarkan sa-lepas itu bagi penchen itu supaya berkelakuan baik. terus-lah penchen. Itu saya agak ada lebeh elok sadikit kerana kalau tua Saya bersetuju tentang umor tadi sangat bidan2 itu, kalau ada orang di- tetapi kita ma'alum-lah ada orang kampong2 hendak melahirkan anak umor-nya sunggoh 60, 70 tahun itu handal lagi (Ketawa), boleh lagi ada-lah agak susah, kerana saya dapati 2 dalam Government Gazette ada bebe- buat kerja macham . rapa bidan telah melampaui umor 70 Tentang chadangan hendak di-beri tahun ka-atas. Tahun 1890 di-lahirkan basikal atau motosikal, itu saya berse maseh lagi di-daftarkan sa-bagai bidan, tuju patut kita beri dia basikal, dan orang tua itu harus sudah bongkok ada tempat2nya kita telah pun beri tidak daya lagi untok hendak meng- basikal. Sekarang ini kita berchadang usahakan—melahirkan anak. pula hendak beri motosikal "Honda" Akhir-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, atau bagitu bagini, tetapi itu bersang- saya harap benar2-lah supaya Bill ini kut-lah dengan wang ringgit, Kerajaan dapat di-luluskan dan bidan2 yang tidak chukup wang hendak memberi tidak bertauliah itu tidak-lah harus semua bidan basikal atau motosikal. 2 dapat lagi hendak meneruskan kerja Nama bidan di-sebut Mak Bidan melahirkan anak, ini satu pekerjaan tadi, saya fikir itu terjadi di-kawasan yang paling mustahak saya dapati yang Yang Berhormat itu sahaja. Saya ta' patut di-lekaskan, sekian. pernah dengar perkara ini, ini-lah baharu saya dengar, tetapi kalau ada Tuan Bahaman bin Samsudin: Tuan apa2 perkara yang terjadi di-kawasan2 Yang di-Pertua, saya suka menjawab 2 2 2 Ahli Yang Berhormat yang tidak tegoran yang telah di-beri oleh Ahli patut di-lakukan oleh bidan2 Kerajaan Yang Berhormat dalam Rumah yang itu, saya harap beri-lah Kementerian berbahagia ini. Pertama-nya tegoran saya tahu supaya tindakan dapat di- yang baharu di-buat oleh Ahli Yang ambil dengan sa-berapa segera-nya. Berhormat dari Penang Selatan dan juga Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Muar Saya uchapkan terima kaseh kapada Utara. Kedua2 Ahli Yang Berhormat Ahli Yang Berhormat yang menyokong ini bukan-lah membinchangkan hal tadi yang tidak ada changkok-nya Undang2 di-hadapan ini tetapi ia-lah kemudian. Ahli Yang Berhormat dari- hal dasar Kementerian saya, tidak ada pada Batu sudah beruchap tadi kena-mengena tetapi dia hendak cha- mengatakan dia tidak bersetuju kapkan juga, saya tidak dapat-lah berkenaan dengan pendaftaran bidan menahan, kena-lah saya jawab lebeh yang tidak ada latehan. kurang, sebab barangkali tidak ada peluang mereka itu hendak berchakap Bidan2 yang ta' ada latehan ini hal lain. ia-lah bidan2 yang jauh daripada pekan, di-ulu2. Bilangan bidan ini Tentang kelakuan bidan2 tadi sa- sadikit sahaja lagi. Kita sekarang ini memang-lah kita adakan kursus2 dan maseh kekurangan bidan. Sekarang saya sendiri dan juga pegawai2 Ke kita berkehendakkan di-antara empat menterian saya bila2 pergi melawat atau lima ratus bidan lagi. Jadi, bidan2 di-jajahan2 dan bertemu dengan bidan2 ini telah di-beri kursus dan di-beri ini dalam kumpulan2 di-beri penera- latehan boleh di-katakan tiap2 minggu, ngan supaya berkelakuan baik dan atau tiap2 bulan. Bidan2 ini-lah yang baik-baik melayan orang2 kampong. termasok dalam undang2 yang di- Tetapi dalam pada itu juga kita tahu sebutkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat sunggoh pun bidan2 ini tidak berapa dari Batu tadi, tetapi ini barangkali tinggi pelajaran-nya kita tahu orang lama kelamaan bila sudah chukup yang berpelajaran dalam Parlimen ini bidan kita, bidan2 ini harus hapus banyak yang buat ta' senonoh kelakuan dengan sendiri-nya. 1077 21 JUNE 1966 1078
Kita memandang pentadbiran negeri nya ada sahabat2 saya dari Ahli2 Yang ini bukan-nya pada segi pekan sahaja Berhormat di-dalam Dewan ini boleh sa-bagaimana Ahli Yang Berhormat memberi satu perkataan yang istilah- itu tahu, tetapi kita pandang daripada nya, yang berma'ana-lah juga bidan, segi kesusahan2 orang2 daripada kam- boleh-lah kita pakai gamak-nya, tetapi pong2 yang jauh2 daripada pekan. Di- bagi bidan2 itu meminta orang2 di- situ bomoh pun ada lagi. Bidan2 yang kampong2 yang tinggal di-luar bandar ta' terlateh pun ada lagi. Jadi, bidan2 memanggil mereka itu missy—missy ini padakan ta' ada, biar-lah ada, itu yang pada fahaman saya yang telah sunggoh pun ta' berapa pandai. Jadi sudah ia-lah di-pakaikan kapada juru- dengan ada-nya itu boleh-lah menolong rawat Bila jururawat itu dia panggil kita dengan sa-berapa boleh jika ada missy. Orang2 kampong pun tahu, dia kechemasan dan kemudian daripada panggil missy, tetapi kalau to' bidan- itu di-bawa kapada Pusat2 Kesihatan. kah, emak bidan-kah, kak bidan-kah— Bidan2 ini ta' banyak bilangan-nya bidan juga-lah. Jadi, ini satu perkara lagi. Mereka di-beri latehan2 dan di- yang mushkil yang kalau dapat di-sini beri juga bermacham2 perkakas, kerana kita bereskan dengan sa-kali, dengan mereka kebanyakan-nya tiada pelajaran ta' payah perkara ini berbangkit ke tetapi ada pengalaman perbidanan. mudian. Ini saya minta tolong-lah Betul juga kata Ahli Yang Berhormat kapada Ahli2 Yang Berhormat mem- dari Batu tadi pada dasar-nya, pada bawa satu perkataan yang boleh di- perinsip-nya ta' elok-lah orang yang masokkan ka-dalam Rang Undang2 itu ta' ada latehan ini hendak di-beri untok menggantikan perkataan "bidan". kuasa buat perbidanan, tetapi pada ta' ada, biar-lah ada, sunggoh pun ta' Wan Abdul Kadir bin Ismail: Tuan berapa pandai dan lagi pun ta' banyak Pengerusi, fasal nama bidan ini telah lagi bidan2 itu, dan barangkali dalam ada chadangan hendak menggantikan dua tiga tahun ini akan hapus. Itu-lah nama ini, saya rasa sukar kita pada sahaja jawapan saya. petang ini, kerana orang2 yang lebeh tahu hal bidan2 ini ia-itu saudara2 kita Question put, and agreed to. orang2 PAS. Dia sa-orang pun ta' ada Bill accordingly read a second time dalam Dewan ini. Jadi, kalau dia ada and committed to a Committee of the bawa pindaan pada masa akan datang, whole House. barangkali boleh, tetapi saya ini ta' jumpa perkataan hendak mengganti House immediately resolves itself kan; sementara orang PAS itu datang, into a Committtee on the Bill. saya ingat kita pakai-lah perkataan "bidan" juga. Bill considered in Committee. Question put, and agreed to. (Mr Speaker in the Chair) Clauses 1 to 4 inclusive ordered to Clauses 1 to 4— stand part of the Bill. Dato' Dr Haji Megat Khas: Tuan Clauses 5 to 21 inclusive ordered to Pengerusi, saya mendengar di-dalam stand part of the Bill. Rumah ini tadi, ia-itu bidan2 yang telah terlateh pun telah di-masokkan Bill reported without amendment: di-dalam daftar—ta' suka bila di- read the third time and passed. panggil pak bidan-kah, emak bidan- kah, to' bidan-kah, jadi saya pun ta' THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT tahu apa-kah satu perkataan yang lain ELECTIONS (AMENDMENT) yang boleh di-gunakan untok meng BILL gantikan perkataan "bidan" itu supaya di-terima oleh bidan2 yang menjalan- Second Reading kan kerja bidan ini. Jadi, perkara ini Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, Sir, nampak-nya ta' di-putuskan dalam I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an Rumah ini tadi. Sekarang di-bawa Act to amend the Local Government di-dalam Jawatan-kuasa, saya meng- Elections Act, 1960" be read a second ambil peluang di-sini, kalau sa-kira- time. 1079 21 JUNE 1966 1080
Sir, it will be recalled that in Decem pentadbiran yang berasingan mengikut ber, 1964, I sought the approval of this dasar yang di-perbuatkan oleh Ahli2 House to make certain amendments to Majlis Undangan Tempatan itu. Maka the Local Government Elections Act, dengan chara yang sa-demikian dapat- 1960. One of these was with regard to lah perjalanan Majlis Tempatan dan the addition of a new Section 11 (A) sa-tengah2-nya yang kita dapati sangat to provide for the appointment by the burok perjalanan-nya di-baiki dan State Authority, in respect of a Town Kerajaan Negeri dapat mengetahui sa- Council with an elected President, of benar2-nya kedudokan Majlis itu, ada a Secretary who shall exercise certain sa-tengah2 yang tidak memungut hasil functions exercisable by the Chairman yang di-hutang oleh pendudok2 dalam or President. kawasan itu. Dengan demikian boleh- lah Setia-usaha menjalankan tugas However, Section 11 (A) as it now 2 dengan tidak menghiraukan apa stands only relates to the appointment tekanan oleh Ahli Majlis sendiri dan of a Secretary for a Town Council tidak berkait dengan party politik established under the F.M.S. Town mereka itu. Dengan sa-chara yang Boards Enactment (Cap. 137), and the sa-macham ini dapat-lah pentadbiran Town Councils in the States of Johore 2 Majlis Tempatan berjalan dengan and Trengganu, which were established lebeh baik dan memuaskan. Sakian under the Johore Town Board Enact sahaja. ment (No. 118) and Trengganu Town Board Enactment (No. 12 of 1355) Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, respectively, are precluded from taking Sir, I thank the Honourable Member advantage of this Section. This Bill, for Seberang Selatan for his support of therefore, clearly seeks to rectify the this Bill. I think the various points position and remove the anomaly. Sir, raised by him are very pertinent points; I beg to move. and, in fact, Sir, my Ministry is looking into the question of rules and Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan: Sir, regulations of staff of local authorities, 1 beg to second the motion. and amongst many things the question Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Saaid (Sebe- of the type of qualifications desirable rang Utara): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, for people filling up the post of saya bangun untok menyokong Rang Secretary of Local Authorities. Undang2 ini dan saya ingin-lah Question put, and agreed to. mendatangkan pandangan saya me- Bill accordingly read a second time ngenai perlantekan Setia-usaha oleh and committed to a Committee of the Kerajaan Negeri kapada Majlis Tempa whole House. tan itu kerana dengan ada-nya sa- orang Setia-usaha yang di-lantek oleh House immediately resolved itself Kerajaan Negeri maka perhubongan into a Committee on the Bill. di-antara Majlis Tempatan dengan Bill considered in Committee. Kerajaan Negeri akan menjadi lebeh erat lagi dan dapat-lah Kerajaan Negeri (Mr Speaker in the Chair) sendiri mengetahui pentadbiran Majlis Clauses 1 to 3 inclusive ordered to tersebut. stand part of the Bill. Apa yang saya berasa dukachita Bill reported without amendment: 2 sadikit ia-lah mengenai Majlis Tem read the third time and passed. patan yang kedudokan kewangan-nya Sitting suspended at 5.05 p.m. tidak bagitu sehat. Maka Majlis itu harus tidak dapat menerima sa-orang Sitting resumed at 5.30 p.m. Setia-usaha yang berijazah peguam dengan gaji yang besar. Maka saya THE CONTROL OF RENT berharap supaya satu chara ia-itu yang (AMENDMENT) BILL berkelulusan rendah daripada itu boleh dapat jadi sa-bagai Setia-usaha Majlis Second Reading Tempatan. Jadi, dengan ini, dapat-lah Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, Sir, Setia-usaha itu menjalankan tugas I beg to move that a Bill intituled "an 1081 21 JUNE 1966 1082
Act to amend and re-enact the law provided that where premises relating to the control of rent and were used by tenants to carry on matters incidental thereto", be read a trade, the compensation of two second time. years rental should be paid. Sir, as this House is aware, a (4) It recommends that where land Committee was set up by the Cabinet lords prefer to continue the in late 1964 with the following terms system of chief tenancy, the chief of reference: tenant should be entitled to collect from his sub-tenants an "In the light of Government's intention to discontinue the provisions of the Control of increased rental of 10% over and Rent Ordinance, 1956, the Committee should above the fair rental. No such make a comprehensive study as to the charge will be allowed the land possible adverse effects of the sudden aboli lord, if he prefers the tenant as tion on Rent Control in the States of Malaya with particular reference to the status and joint tenants. position of Kuala Lumpur as the capital of (5) It recommends that where pre Malaysia and to make recommendations to Government as to what alternative measures mises or part thereof is allowed are necessary to protect the interests of both for business of trade, the tenant landlords and tenants." or joint tenants need not have to reside therein whereas if the The Committee has since completed premises are let for only dwelling its report and its report has already in purposes the tenant or joint fact been tabled in this House as a tenants should reside therein. Command Paper. (6) It recommends that the choice of The main features of the report are adopting complete control, par that: tial control or complete de-control should be left to each individual (1) It does not make any separate State Government. recommendation in respect of Kuala Lumpur as it is considered (7) Finally it recommends no date that, except in degree, rent con to be fixed when control of rent trol and related problems are very will be removed wholly or partly. much the same in Kuala Lumpur as elsewhere in the States of In short, Sir, the recommendations Malaya. in the report have been conceived to bring about a gradual self-executing (2) It recommends that the transition process of de-control, while concurrently to complete decontrol should be maintaining during its course the prin gradual and that this transition ciples of fair rent for the landlord and should be harnessed to the twin security of tenure for the tenants. principles of fair rent for the land lords and qualify security of The report was circulated to all State tenure for all tenants. It further Governments for their comments, and recommends that fair rent be as required under Article 95 (A) of the determined by consent by the Malaysian Constitution, the report was parties involved, settlement by a further considered by the National Rent Officer or determination by Council for Local Government which a Rent Tribunal. agreed to accept the report subject to (3) It recommends that where the the following: premises is needed for develop (a) That State Appeal Boards should ment or re-development and the be established to hear all appeals landlord is able to satisfy the from Rent Tribunal and that Tribunal that he is in a position members of such Appeal Boards to undertake within a specified will be appointed by the appro time such development or re priate State Authority, except in development he should be assis the case of the Federal Capital, ted to gain vacant possession of where members of the Board will the premises for the purpose, be appointed by the Minister 1083 21 JUNE 1966 1084
responsible for the Federal Capi Control of Rent Ordinance No. 2 of tal, the decision of the Appeal 1956 by a new Act which embodies Boards will be final and conclu most of the provisions of the present sive. law and charges as recommended in the (b) That the compensation to be paid report and that by the National in respect of trade premises Council for Local Government. The should be decided by the Rent explanatory note also deals in detail Tribunal after hearing both par with the various provisions in the Bill ties and the amount of compensa which are self-explanatory, and as such tion to be paid shall not be less I do not, Sir, propose to take more of than two years rental and not the time at the disposal of this House more than four years rental. in explaining further on the Bill (c) That tenants occupying premises Sir, I beg to move, other than trade premises should also be entitled to a compensation The Minister for Welfare Services to be decided by the Rent (Tuan Haji Abdul Hamid Khan): Sir, Tribunal and the compensation I beg to second, the motion. to be paid shall not be less than one year rental and not more Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Speaker, than two years rental. Sir, it is not always that I agree with the findings of any Government (d) That the recommended compen appointed Committee. I, myself, feel sation of two years ground rental that the Government in appointing to occupants of temporary people to various Committee always buildings is inadequate and that chooses several people so that they can in addition to the compensation get the right sort of report. But I wish of two years ground rental an to congratulate the Athi Nahappan amount of compensation assessed Committee for bringing out a report by the Tribunal, having regard to which in the face of formidable diffi the value of the buildings, if such culties, nevertheless, points out various buildings were paid for by the solutions to this formidable problem occupants or alternatively an and I need hardly read the conclusions additional compensation for the of this Report. The first line says, "We cost of demolition and transpor are aware that our recommendations ting those materials to another may not please everyone". Now, I site should be made. think this sets the tone for the debate (e) That a maximum fine of $10,000 of this House. I notice the M.C.A. be imposed on a tenant who fails tycoons are missing from this House. to vacate the premises, when an No doubt, they will want to present the order for recovery of possession views of big business in this country. is made, and also on the landlord Unfortunately, as I look around me, for using such premises for pur there is only a trade unionist behind poses other than development me, and I do not see anyone else to proposal. represent the views of the underdog. (/) Finally, that the Act shall apply Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, let us consi to the Municipality of Kuala der the question of fair rent. The Bill Lumpur and all powers which are and the Athi Nahappan Report sets exercisable by the State Authority out in detail how one can determine a shall in relation to the Municipa fair rent from bilateral negotiations as lity be exercisable by the Minister between tenant and landlord—a Rent charged with the responsibility for Officer, a Rent Tribunal, and, finally, Local Government. a Board of Appeal. Mr Speaker. Sir, as explained in the In trying to determine this nomen explanatory note to the Bill, it has been clature of "fair rent", the Athi found necessary for purposes of sim Nahappan Report itself has qualms plicity and clarity to replace the about using the terminology fair rent. 1085 21 JUNE 1966 1086
It says here in paragraphs 30 and 31 lawyers, who will have a flood of work of his Report: from the beginning of next month, "30. The epithet 'fair' attached to the word with both landlords and tenants and 'rent' was a word of easy acceptance. sub-tenants going probably to the same There were various other candidates person. such as 'market rent' and 'ceiling rent'. 31. The word 'fair' was prefered because Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, I have with it could lend itself to stability. 'Market me here a letter from a medical practi rent' had to reflect the current market tioner, and this reflects the apprehen or economic index. The word 'ceiling' was inappropriate because it reflected sions of the people in my profession— an element of finality." and I suppose this is so with all others in comparable professions or in busi Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, as I stated ness. It says here: before, the Bill itself and the Report "I trust you will kindly put forward the is quite clear in the procedure where practitioners' view to ensure every protection there is a dispute. Now, let us not within the clauses provided Tor the medical delude ourselves, Mr Speaker, Sir. profession as a whole. We have had instances Even before this Bill is debated in in the past where landlords have capitalised on the value of established practices and this House, this afternoon a tenant selling them under the guise of new tenancies went to my dispensary and said, to other fellow practitioners. It is, therefore, "Doctor, my landlord wants me to get mandatory that medical practitioners with out of my house. He has told me that established practices should not be at the mercy of unscrupulous landlords, or chief if within three months I do not get out tenants, and subject to any kind of extortion of this house he will get the Police to as a result of the Rent Control Bill. throw my things out of this house." We are already having further instances And, Mr Speaker, Sir, that tenant has of demands for tea money on the face of lived in that house for almost half a the Bill or, alternatively, facing the prospect century. Now, as I said, let us not of eviction, as the landlord will be in the delude ourselves. Already, I suppose, position to obtain the value of the established method of practice in the form of tea money the landlords are sharpening their or consideration from a fresh tenant. I feel, knives to see how much they can cut therefore, such abuses must be prevented from either the chief tenant or the sub and necessary amendments incorporated in the Bill to ensure adequate protection for tenants of their premises. the medical practitioners, failing which adequate compensation at par with the value Mr Speaker, Sir, I notice that in the of the medical practice concerned be case of repossession or redevelopment, guaranteed in extreme cases of eviction." the Athi Nahappan Report has clearly stated the quantum of compensation. Mr Speaker, Sir, I have, in reading It could be as low as two years rent this letter, indicated the apprehension or as high as four years rent. In this of one section of the tenants, who will instance, I suppose the Committee, in be affected by this Bill; and no doubt, its wisdom, has left it purposely vague, as I have pointed out, right from the word "go" you will have, and it is except that in the Bill it has given us quite natural, all the landlords wanting the criteria in the determination of to have their pound of flesh. Let us not such rent. It has talked about locality, delude ourselves that because the Athi and the like in the determination of Nahappan Report has indicated the a fair rent. Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, I way, the procedure, very lucidly, as the would have been happier, if the Bill Honourable Minister has indicated, itself, or the Report, had recommended, and the Bill itself has done so, that at least as a guideline, what should there will be difficulties, I can envisage be a fair rent—200 per cent of the a whole heap of litigation in connection existing rent, 300 per cent of the with the adjudication of a fair rent, existing rent, or, as in the case of and we hope that the Central Govern repossession, two years' rent minimum ment, in the course of the implementa and four years' rent maximum; other tion of this Bill, will perhaps in the wise we are left to litigation and, I years bring forth amendments where suppose, the only people who may necessary in the light of experience well benefit from this Bill are the gained. 1087 21 JUNE 1966 1088
Here, Mr Speaker, Sir, I wish to chief tenants. Now, I read from the point out to the Honourable Minister Athi Nahappan Report, paragraph 53 : the experience of London where also— "From memoranda received and views I think it was about ten years heard we came to the view that under the ago—there was decontrol of rent. There present law, most chief tenants have been enjoying 'heydays' for too long at the a person by the name of Racheman, expense of sub-tenants and landlords. By knowing that this Bill was going to and large chief tenants have been illegally come up, bought up a whole heap of collecting market rents from sub-tenants houses in London, and when decontrol whilst paying controlled rents to the land lords and having, in many cases, handsome became law, all that he did was he used margins of profit as middlemen/' thugs to evict; he did not go to the Rent Officer; he did not go to the Here I think, this is an understate Tribunal or the Board of Appeal; he ment by the Athi Nahappan Report used thugs to evict his tenants. Now, of handsome margins of profit. I do if it had happened in London, with due know, for example of a chief tenant deference to the Police in this country, where he only pays $5 as ground rent it can also happen in Kuala Lumpur to the landlord, but I think he has where you can always easily get the collected rent every month in the region "08", the "09", or the "Wah Kee", or of a thousand dollars per month. Now, the "Ang Bin Hoay" to come along that is by no means a handsome margin and tell the tenant, "Look here, you of profit. I would say, comparatively know the landlord now has the power speaking, that that is an enormous to evict you. You better make yourself profit that the chief tenant has been scarce, before 1 use acid or beating squeezing out of the sub-tenants; and up for you to get out". Now, 1 I am glad that both the Athi Nahappan am not saying that this can happen. Report and the Bill itself has indicated This had happened in London, and ways and means of regularising this the problem is not as simple as the situation of exploitation of sub-tenants Athi Nahappan Report would let us by the land-lords. believe, or even the Minister would But coming to this Bill itself with like us to believe, that, because the regard to sub-letting, I think the Bill is law has indicated the way, all is well a little naive in thinking that the and there should be no difficulty. provisions of the law will be observed in full by the chief tenants, who are Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, with regard exploiting the sub-tenants. Clause 19 to the question of repossession of says : property, I entirely agree that the "Where a tenant has sublet any part of control of rent has been a strangle-hold the controlled premises, the tenant shall on the development of any city, let within fourteen days after each subletting, or in the case of a subletting effected before alone Kuala Lumpur, or any other the date of the coming into force of this Act smaller towns in Malaysia. I am within three months after that date— entirely in agreement that these out-of- (a) supply to the landlord with a statement date houses, of these unsightly squatter in writing of the subletting giving hovels, should be repossessed by the particular of the occupancy, including landlords and developed, so that we the name of the subtenant and the rent can have a more beautiful, a more charged; (b) and cause to be prominently displayed useful city, not only here, but else in or upon the premises a notice in the where. And I am glad, as I have form set out in the Schedule of this indicated before, that both the Athi Act clearly setting out the rent of the Nahappan Report and the Bill has set whole premises and the rent every out lower and the upper limits—two part so sublet:" years rents or four years rents. I hope, Mr Speaker, Sir. that the Government does not think that, Now. with regard to the chief tenancy because the law says this is the and joint-tenants, I am glad that the procedure, it could be taken that it Athi Nahappan Report is aware of the will be observed by the chief tenant. exploitation of the sub-tenants by the More often than not, I venture to say 1089 21 JUNE 1966 1090 that this provision of the law will be out to the Government in the imple observed in the breach, and I hope mentation of this Bill, the Government that the law enforcement officer will should not hesitate to redress any see to it that the chief tenants comply injustices that may occur not only to with this provision of the law, so that the tenants but also to the landlords the sub-tenants need not be exploited as well. Thank you. any more by the chief tenants. Tuan C. V. Devan Nair: Mr Spea Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, I notice that ker, Sir, I would like to join the the Bill itself has set out the procedure Honourable Member for Batu in for repossession and the procedure of congratulating the Committee headed adjudicating of a fair rent. I do not by Senator Athi Nahappan for its know whether the Government in recommendations. They had difficult introducing this Bill on the 21st of job to do, essentially the problem of June realises the practical difficulties recommending how rent decontrol of the implementation of this Bill, if may be achieved in a controlled assuming that it is passed by this manner, without resulting in any House. Now, we do know that the Rent adverse effects due to any sudden Control Ordinance ends on the 30th abolition of rent control. But how far of this month—that means—this Bill this Bill will achieve its purpose is passed by this House tonight, it has remains to be seen. As the Honour to be passed by the Dewan Negara, able Member for Batu has pointed out, and then it must receive the Royal things can be complicated and, in any Assent. Can the G®vernment tell us case, I think, we can be certain of whether that all these three stages will good deal of litigation over the disputes be implemented within the nine days which may arise. that is left. If not, has the Govern ment an alternative measure to provide Sir, the Government has decided for this gap between the lapsing of the that the provisions of the present Rent Control Ordinance of the imple Ordinance inhibit development acti mentation of this Bill, if and when it vity, urban renewal, and so forth, and receives the Royal Assent. Secondly, hence this Bill. It is a matter for as I have pointed, we have now a regret, however, that the Bill contains category of rent officers of 10 persons provisions which appear to have a on the Tribunal. As I had pointed retrogressive effect. before, these people will be terribly overworked. Is the machinery ready Let us first take Clause 5 of the Bill. to cope with the work that is bound Clause 5 says that a fair rent shall be to fall on the rent officers, the Tribunal, determined: "(a) by an agreement in and the Board of Appeal. If it is not, writing between the landlord and the has the Government thought of these tenant of such premises; or (b) in the practical difficulties in the imple absence of such an agreement, by a mentation of this Bill? decision of Rent Officer for the area in which such premises is situated In conclusion, Mr Speaker, Sir, I provided that such decision is accepted do know that the Athi Nahappan by both parties; or (c) if such decision Report has set out the pros and cons is not accepted by either party, by an of whether there should be control, order of the Tribunal". It seems clear or whether there should be outright enough, Sir, that if a fair rent is to lifting of control—and it has marshal be fixed in this manner, there will be led out very well the pros and cons no uniformity of the rent payable in of the measures taken. I only hope the same area, or locality, for the that the Government does not think same kind of building. Separate land that the implementation of this Bill lords and tenants in the same locality is going to be easy and, that, as I have will no doubt agree on varying fair read a letter from a doctor which rents, and this, again, is bound to speaks well for the medical profession, create complications and to create new if and when there are frauds pointed problems. 1091 21 JUNE 1966 1092
Next, let us take, Sir, Clause 12 (8) Sir, are retrogressive measures which of the Bill which provides that the would stand to detract from the proceedings of the Tribunal shall be inherent virtues possessed by the Bill, held in camera but it may in its and I submit that this should be discretion open such proceedings to the considered by the Government. public. This. I would submit, Sir, is a retrogressive provision as compared Tuan Tai Kuan Yang (Kulim Bandar to Section 7 (7) of the present Bharu): Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like Ordinance which provides that "The to take this opportunity to say a few proceedings of the Board shall be words relating to the Control of Rent open to the public and minutes of the Bill which I feel warrant a debate in same, etc."—which is roughly the this House. It appears to me, Mr same—but the point is that the present Speaker, Sir, that some of my electo Ordinance does provide that proceed rates as well as many others in all ings to be held in public. parts of this country are a bit worried by this Bill, which seems to me to Clause 13 (3) of the present Bill give strong protection for the interests is also unsatisfactory in my sub of landlords and vested interests, with mission. According to Clause 13 (3), out taking into account the interests no application to the rent Tribunal and well-being of the small business can be made for apportionment of men, who themselves are tenants in fixing fair rent without a certificate of business premises. The danger facing dispute from the Rent Officer. In other the small businessmen who are words, a Rent Officer must be occupying such buildings are real, and consulted before application can be we should pay serious attention to made. It is not difficult to imagine this problem. I hope the Honourable that this provision would only be an Minister of Local Government and inevitable source of delay as well as Housing, after listening to the just and possible abuse. And I would suggest, fair comments in this House, will find therefore. Sir, that in the interest of courage to agree to some of the avoiding both delay and possible amendments in the Bill, which I do abuse, in the resolution of any dispute feel will give sufficient protection and between the landlords and tenants say to the small men in this country. over what constitutes a fair rent, this It is a matter of grave concern, provision should be deleted to make because in the long run it does affect it possible for either party to make the future well-being of their business. a direct application to the Tribunal in case of dispute as to the quantum Mr Speaker, Sir, I would now like of fair rent payable. to deal with Clause 18, paragraph (2) sub-paragraph (a). Mr Speaker, Sir, Next, Sir, I refer to Section 10 of the compensation offered under this the present Ordinance, which is due Clause is far from adequate, especially to expire soon, which provides for the in the case of controlled premises stating of a case for decision of the occupied for trade purposes. It is only High Court. The present Bill abolishes fair that a higher compensation should any such statement of case for decision be paid for such traders or small of the High Court; and this, I would businessmen, who are forced to cease submit, is again a retrogressive mea doing business. The Honourable sure. Again, Section 11 of the present Minister of Local Government and Ordinance provides that appeal shall Housing, before joining the Govern lie on a point of law from any decision ment, was in law practice, and of the Board—that is under the present consequently was himself associated Ordinance. But in the present Bill no with the growth and development of provision has been made for appeal many business firms. The Honourable to a court of law against the decision Minister obviously must be aware that of the Appeal Board, which is provided it takes a lot of hard work and savings for as I have said, in Section 11 of on the part of the traders, especially the present Ordinance. And all these, the small ones, to grow and become 1093 21 JUNE 1966 1094 prosperous. I am sure that the Honour and 1956, was not in proportion to the able Minister would not like to see the value of their capital investments. hopes and aspiration of the small men dashed to pieces, or go down the This Bill, when it becomes law, will drain, without adequate compensation, enable the landlords to receive a fair just because some of the greedy land return for their investments. Mr lords want to make some quick money Speaker, Sir, this Bill would also be a by putting up more houses under the benefit to tenants, especially sub guise of Development in this Bill. tenants who have been paying exhor- bitant rents to unscrupulous chief I would therefore, urge the Govern tenants. It is true that our present law ment to re-consider the provision of provides grounds for landlords to this Bill in a manner that will look evict chief tenants in cases, where chief after the interests of everyone, and not tenants make profits of more than 10% just one section of the community. from sub-letting controlled premises; Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like to but the landlords do not derive any deal with another section in Clause 18, benefit therefrom and therefore very in paragraph (8). It is clear that if the few landlords have taken steps to do offender is a landlord, and inspite of so. the fines imposed upon him which only benefits the Government, the Under the new Bill the tenant has aggrieved party, namely, the tenant is the opportunity of becoming the joint still left out in the cold. There should tenant of the premises and will hold such part of the premises as is sub-let be a provision to install him back into to him directly from the landlord to of the controlled premises as the whom he is responsible and to whom rightful tenant thereafter through the he shall pay rent. The joint tenant court action. There should also be a will only have to pay a proportionate paragraph in Clause 18 under this part of the fair rent in respect of the Bill that having developed that area, whole premises. However, this oppor the former tenants should have first tunity of the sub-tenants of becoming priority should they wish to have direct joint tenants can only be tenancy in the new buildings. initiated by the landlord, if he so Finally, Mr Speaker, Sir, I thank desires. In practice, the desire to you for the opportunity you have convert from the position of a sub given to me to raise a few points with tenant to a joint tenant is more often regard to the Bill, which I am of the with a sub-tenant rather than with the firm belief that they must be remedied. landlord, and it is unfortunate that the After all, as we are all representatives Bill does not empower the sub-tenant of the people, it is only right that we to convert his sub-tenancy to a joint speak up without fear and favour of tenancy. I hope the Honourable any legislation which affect the Minister will consider this point, if he peoples' interests, especially the small contemplates any amendments to this men. Thank you, Sir. Bill in the future. Tuan Chan Seong Yoon (Setapak): The Bill, Mr Speaker, Sir, will Mr Speaker, Sir, I rise to speak in incidentally be instrumental in provid support of this Bill which, I think, will ing a new face for our fair Capital be welcomed to both landlords and of Kuala Lumpur and the other major tenants, particularly to the landlords cities of our country. I refer to provi whose investments in real property are sions in this Bill, which now make it more or less dorment for the past 18 less cumbersome for landlords to years. Honourable Members of the recover possession in cases where there House are aware that landlords, is a genuine desire to develop the land. owning buildings built prior to the 31st It would now appear that where a January, 1948, have had little increase landlord has a genuine desire to in their return and that whatever develop his land, he may do so by increase in the rental, as provided by proving that the plans for development the Control of Rent Ordinances, 1948, have been approved by a proper 1095 21 JUNE 1966 1096 authority, that he has funds to carry under the Town Boards Enactment. It out such development, and also by would now appear under the present giving an undertaking that commence Bill that the fair rent will have a ment of development will take place bearing on the annual value of the within three months of the date of premises. vacant possession. I would like to Mr Speaker, Sir, this Bill, I believe compliment the Honourable Minister is motivated by the easing of the and those responsible for this Bill in shortage of accommodation in all including the third condition, as this major cities, towns and villages, and will assure that no unscrupulous land I congratulate the Honourable Minister lords will take advantage to obtain and all those responsible for this Bill vacant possession, in order to enhance for providing a step in the de-control the price of the building. However, of pre-1948 premises which is fair here I wish to comment that there is both to tenants and landlords, and the no provision as to what would happen, interests of both landlords and tenants if the landlord fails to carry out this have been justly considered. undertaking, unless one gives a wide interpretation to sub-section (7) and Tuan Geh Chong Keat: Mr Speaker, sub-section (8) of section 18 of the Sir, I would like to associate myself Bill. with the comments of the Member for Kulim and Bandar Baharu. Sir, I Mr Speaker, Sir, I again wish to would like to draw the attention of compliment the Honourable the Minis this House and that of the Honourable ter and those responsible for this Bill the Minister to the fact that the Report in the fair manner in which this Bill by this Committee is based more on has been drafted, having regard both the city and urban areas. Sir, unfortu to the interests of the landlord and nately, the Bill in its description of the the tenant. In the provision for premises and the coverage of the recovery of vacant possession of jurisdiction defines "premises" as any premises for the purpose of develop other land and "local authority" is ment, the tenant does derive some defined to mean a Municipality, Town benefit in the form of compensation Council, Town Board or Rural Board equivalent to two to four years rent. and in respect of any part of its area This is a new provision and although which immediately before the coming some may say that two to four years into force of the Local Councils rent is too small a sum, but then Ordinances of 1952. considering the position of the tenant under the present law, where the Mr Speaker, Sir, the Bill in trying tenant receives nothing, I am sure to help the city and the urban areas Honourable Members of the House to develop and to pave the way for will agree with me that this is an development, it also covers de-control improvement. At this juncture, Mr in the rural areas. Here, I would like Speaker, Sir, I should like to mention to bring out this point in respect of in passing that the definition of what the rural areas, where you have big is development in this Bill seems to estate: in the old days the landlords give too wide a latitude to landlords or the estate owners welcome squatters to recover vacant possession of con to those areas as an economic way of trolled premises. maintaining the estates and helping them to look after the estates. These Mr Speaker, Sir, I would like to say squatters, who have been invited to a few words as regards the main squat in these estates, have to pay a feature of the Bill which changes nominal rent of 50 cents to a dollar entirely the principle regarding the rent to occupy and cultivate an area of an of controlled premises. Under the acre or more. Now, with the passing present law, the maximum recoverable of this Bill, those estates in the rural rent has no bearing whatever to the areas would be affected. The price of annual value of the premises as land will go up, developments which assessed by the Municipal Valuer start setting in and these farmers, 1097 21 JUNE 1966 1098 cultivators, have got to give way. The Minister may reply that I am a question that I would like to ask is pessimist, but I would say, Sir, that whether the compensation of from two the days of great profit and the days years to four years rent for the city of the rush for houses are still not area sufficient for those living in the over. Thank you, Sir. rural areas, who earn their living through cultivation and rearing of Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, poultry pigs and catties? Sir, if these Sir, I would like to reply to some of people have got to be removed, we the remarks made by Honourable have got to find alternative accommo Members of this House. dation or place, or another form of First, I would touch upon the points livelihood for them. But, unfortunately, raised by the Honourable Member most of these farmers and cultivators for Batu. As has been pointed out in know only the present way of culti the Report itself and with which the vation and practising their farming. Honourable Member has agreed, no So, if we ask them to come to the city solution can satisfy all parties. It is to stay they will be at a loss and will to avoid a situation, which was created starve; if you ask them to quit the land in Kelantan State, I think, that that with a maximum compensation of State way back in 1962 decontrolled four years rent, they will find it rent completely without any interim difficult. Therefore, I would like to process. It is with that in mind that request the Honourable Minister to the Federal Government decided to make the necessary amendment to the appoint this Committee to look into relevant section to provide for a time this whole question, so that during the factor for these people to rehabilitate interim process there will be equal themselves, and also to provide appro protection for the landlords as well as priate compensation, so that they can for the tenants as I have said when I carry on with their livelihood in first introduced the Bill. another area, failing which they can rehabilitate themselves to earn their Now, the Honourable Member livelihood by changing their methods touched on the question of fair rent of profession. and perhaps I may take this opportu nity to explain a little bit about the Sir, I am sure that the Honourable question of fair rent. Fair rent is in Minister, after reading through the fact a new concept, a new concept Report and the Bill, is only fully under this Bill, and in respect of which aware of the city areas. I would there is no precedent; and it is a new commend to the Member the view concept under this Bill, because presented by the Member for Kulim- hitherto they used the term "standard Bandar Baharu in respect of the small rent" which was unfair as it was based man's point of view of being sub on the rent as on the 1st September, tenants and those who are operating 1941, under the existing Rent Control small trading shops in the villages in Ordinance. What is fair rent now is the suburban area, as these people described in Clause 6. In that clause would be really affected, and I would definite principles have been made out for the guidance of the respective be grateful if the Minister could give stages to determine what would in fact an assurance that these people would constitute a fair rent. It is again not be taken care of and their hardships possible for the landlords to evict any and their problems would be studied one as easily as the Honourable and looked into him, so as to give Member is trying to picture. There is them assurance of certainty and relief still protection as in the existing from the anxiety of the coming into Ordinance, as under Clause 18 of this force of this new Bill. Sir, I am sure Bill, a landlord has to pay compensa the developers are waiting and are tion before he can get the premises rubbing their hands to come in. Mr back. Speaker, Sir, if I were to say that the developers are going to exploit the As regards the suggestion by the situation to the full, perhaps the Honourable Members that my Ministry 1099 21 JUNE 1966 1100 should bring into this House further Dr Tan Chee Khoon: On a point of amendments in the light of experience clarification, Mr Speaker, Sir, is the in future, in case we find undue hard Honourable Minister suggesting that ships through the implementation of this Bill, when it becomes law, will this new law, I would like to say that only be implemented one year hence? we are all aware of the fact that no This is very important for the landlord law is perfect, and the fact that we and the tenant. are practising democracy, I think, is the best safeguard for this matter. In Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, fact, this very House itself is a Sir, just now the Honourable Member watchdog for any depressive laws and entertains some fear that there will be it is always open to Members of this a vacuum; of course, I agree with the House to bring about amendments Honourable Member that any vacuum should there be undue hardships would not be desirable, as we have caused through the implementation of witnessed in the P.M.L.P.-controlled the law; and of course this Govern State of Kelantan. In this case, it is ment will always bring in amendments laid dawn in sub-section (22) of if it is felt that such amendments are Clause 1 which says: "This Act shall necessary on account of unnecessary come into force on such date as the hardships as a result of the imple Minister of Local Government and mentation of this law. Housing may by notification in the Gazette appoint"; so until such time I think the Honourable Member as the Minister has appointed the date also mentioned Section 19 (1) and in the Gazette, the present Rent asked, "what if the chief tenant Control Ordinance will continue to be refuses to abide by the order?" It is in force. With regard to the suggestion quite clear here, because there is that thugs will take over as soon as ample provision in subsequent sub this new law comes into being, I sections that if a chief tenant fails to think that is unfounded, because even toe the line, he is liable to three months under the present Rent Control imprisonment or a fine of $1,000. Ordinance where the rent is less, there is no evidence that thugs have taken There is also another point raised over the situation and forced the by the Honourable Member as to what tenant to get out of the premises. happens after 30th June., because Under the present law the landlord is unless the present law is renewed, in fact, getting a little bit more rent there may be a gap. I think I can than previously and I think that fear inform the Honourable Member that is quite unfounded. under sub-section (5) of section 2 of the Rent Control Ordinance, 1966, the Now, I come to the Honourable Ordinance is kept alive for another Member for Bungsar. The Honourable year, unless another Act is brought Member has commented on the effect into force before the life of the of the implementation of this law Ordinance expires in other words, which will bring about some confusion even if the present Ordinance is not and with no uniformity of rent in the renewed by the end of this month, same locality. I think that even under there is an automatic renewal of one the present circumstances, there is no year. I think there is no need to fear such thing as uniformity of rent in the that there is a gap. Obviously, I do not same locality. I do not see how any think that the new law would be confusion or complication, should brought into force on the 1st of July arise as a result of that because, as because we have to go through the has been pointed out, according to the process of getting staff and things like provisions in the Bill, this is a bipartite that, to look into the administrative arrangement, and it is up to the land side and as far as the law is concerned, lord and the tenant to come to some the present Rent Control Ordinance arrangement, agreement, as to the fair would continue for another year. rent to be paid. 1101 21 JUNE 1966 1102
Now, with regard to the remarks there you are, both the Tribunal and made by the Honourable Member for the Appeal Board have on them Bungsar that the effect that no appeal Chairman with judicial qualifications would be allowed to the Court is a and experience and, furthermore, with retrogressive step, I beg to differ. In members of standing and integrity. this case appeal is precluded, because The most important of all, as I have we want to provide an inexpensive and said, is that this process will provide expeditious remedy for both the tenant an inexpensive and expeditious remedy and the landlord. As we all know, available both to the landlord and to processes in Court are very time the tenant. consuming and in some civil cases, from my past experience when I was I think I have dealt with all the practising, you may have to wait for points raised by the Honourable Mem two or three years before you can get ber for Bungsar except one. With a civil case listed for hearing in the regard to the Honourable Member's High Court. This is to provide for an comment under section 12 (8) with expeditious and inexpensive—the key regard to the provision allowing pro note to it is "inexpensive"—Tribunal ceedings to be held in camera, I for the cases to be dealt with quickly. cannot see what is the objection to Now, there is ample provision in the that, because, after all, in the initial Bill to ensure that in respect of appeals stages this is purely a bipartite method the Tribunal will deliver what we can between two parties; it is not some consider to be judicious decisions; thing for public concern; it does not and as far as the Tribunal is concerned, involve public morals; it does not Clause 12 (2) provides the qualifica concern anything of public interest tions for the Chairman of the and this is purely an arrangement Tribunal. The Chairman must be one between two persons and, therefore, if of the following, and I quote: the two persons so desire, they can have the hearing in camera. But "(a) a member of the Judicial and nevertheless, there is also the provi Legal Service of the Federation; sion, if necessary, for the Tribunal to (b) a person being an advocate and hold the proceedings in public. solicitor who has been in legal Now, I come to the Honourable practice for at least five years; Member for Kulim Bandar Baharu. (c) a District Officer for the area or There was one point raised by the areas concerned; or Honourable Member .... (d) such other person who has suffi cient standing and integrity as Tuan C. V. Devan Nair: Sir, on a the Ruler or the Governor, as point of clarification, if I may—I the case may be, may appoint". would like the Honourable Minister's I think this is sufficient safeguard for comment on one part of my submission the Tribunal, because the Chairman and that was whether we could do is essentially a judicial man or a man away with the requirement for a certi of experience as District Officer. As ficate of dispute before a matter could we all know, for a long time, it has be taken to the Tribunal? always been the customary practice Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: I thank the for District Officers to sit also as Honourable Member for drawing my Magistrates. attention to this omission. It has some With regard to the Appeal Board, how or other escaped my attention. in this case the qualification is The Honourable Member suggested stricter. It is under Clause 15 (3) that there should be no certificate of where it is provided that the Chairman dispute. I think from the practical shall be a person possessing legal reason, we would not know, I mean, qualifications and experience and, the Tribunal would not be in a posi furthermore, the members of the tion to- know that the two parties have Appeal Board shall be persons possess failed to reach an agreement. What if ing sufficient standing and integrity. So, one party went to the Tribunal and 1103 21 JUNE 1966 1104 said, "I want the case to be heard by hardship, on receipt of specific details the Tribunal? Therefore, it will be from Honourable Members or mem necessary for procedural reasons and bers of the public, my Ministry will in order that the Tribunal is satisfied certainly review this law and will bring that in fact both parties have failed to amendments to this House. reach an agreement that a certificate of dispute is necessary. So, for practical Sir, I would like now to reply to a and procedural reasons, it will be neces points raised by the Honourable Mem sary to have a certificate of dispute. ber for Setapak. He raised the question Now, the Honourable Member for Ku- that there is no provision in the case lim Bandar Baharu touched on one of a landlord who fails to carry out the point whether the tenant who has lost development once he has obtained his controlled premises should be given possession or vacant possession of the a priority in the premises newly deve premises. I think the provision under loped. I think this is a point which will Clause 18 (7) is quite clear on this be beyond the purview of this, because matter. Section 18 (7) says, once a premise is de-controlled, and a "The premises vacated by the tenant or tenants under this section shall not be used new development has taken place, even by the landlord for any purpose other than under the present Rent Ordinance, any the purpose of effecting developments in premises developed after a statutory accordance with the plan approved for such date provided by the Rent Controller purpose and until such developments are is no longer controlled. The landlord effected, such premises shall remain locked." can deal with the premises as he likes. In other wards, Sir, it is up to the land Also with regard to the Honourable lord, after obtaining vacant possession, Member for Kulim Bandar Baharu to proceed with development, at any who stated that the compensation under time he likes; that means failing the Clause 18 (2) (a) is not adequate, varying use of the premises, he would have to between two to four times rental, and have the premises perpetually locked, that a higher amount should be paid. and I do not think any landlord after I would like to point out that under having obtained vacant possession will the original report of this committee, allow that state of affairs to continue the compensation recommended was to happen. only twice the rental; and it was because this paper was submitted to Tuan Chan Seong Yoon: Perhaps, the National Council for Local I have not made myself quite clear. Government that the final decision was What I meant was, what happens if taken increasing the amount; as the landlord after giving an under previously the recommendation was taking does not use the premises for that the amount should not be any purposes, but sells the premises. exceeding two years, but now the As we all know vacant premises will decision is that it should be a fetch a higher price. I wonder if that minimum of two years with a sub-section (7) covers that point. maximum of four years. In fact, the National Land Council for Local Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Speaker, Government has already increased this Sir, I think my interpretation of this amount of compensation to higher would be, that whoever buys the than the amount recommended by the premises succeeds or steps into the Committee. shoes of the previous landlord, and of such he would have to keep the Also the Honourable Member premises perpetually locked, or deve entertained some fears that small lop the premises. I think I would businessmen will be thrown out of the interpret the law that way, but if there premises and such like fears. I would should be a situation, whereby the like to assure the Honourable Member law is not interpreted that way I would that the Bill itself provides ample certainly bring amendment to this safeguard for the tenant, including House to have this loophole stopped. small businessmen; and I have said earlier that if the implementation of Now, finally, I come to the this law should bring about undue Honourable Member for Pulau Pinang 1105 21 JUNE 1966 1106
Utara who portrays the picture that Clauses 19 to 22 inclusive ordered developers are now rubbing their hands to stand part of the Bill. waiting to grab hold of the tenant. I do not think that the picture is as bad, Clause 23— as that. Sir, I think probably, the Honourable Member has derived that Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Sir, I beg to picture out of one or two adverse move an amendment to Clause 23, press comments, which I heard came paragraph (b) of sub-section (1). I beg from Penang. But by and large, to move that, the words and brackets I think Honourable Members of this "(other than a monthly tenant)" be House, if they have been following the deleted. Now, this amendment is to press, will find that the editorial com make the provision of Clause 23 to be ments of the press or average editional consistent with the paragraph 61 of the comments of the press, has been quite Report of the Committee which has favourable with regard to this Bill, I recommended that "where a tenant for can say from my own knowledge of any reason gives up his tenant of a this Bill that the Bill is a good compro controlled premises or required to do mise between the interests of the land so by law then such premises should lord and the tenant. Thank you. be declared as uncontrolled premises." Question put and agreed to. Amendment put, and agreed to. Bill accordingly read a second time Clause 23, as amended, ordered to and committed to a Committee of the stand part of the Bill. whole House. Clauses 24 to 27 inclusive ordered House immediately resolved itself to stand part of the Bill. into a Committee on the Bill. Schedule ordered to stand part of the Bill considered in Committee. Bill. (Mr Speaker in the Chair) Bill reported with amendment: read the third time and passed. Clauses 1 to 11 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill. THE CONTINENTAL SHELF BILL Clauses 12 to 18 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill. Second Reading Tuan Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: Clauses 19 to 22— Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the Bill intituled "the Continental Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Mr Chairman, Shelf Bill, 1966" be read a second time. Sir, may I ask, how long does the Minister envisage that the setting up Honourable Members would be of this machinery will take, parti cularly, in Kuala Lumpur? aware that at present no legislation exists with respect to the rights of exploring and exploiting the natural Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Mr Chairman, Sir, I think it is the intention of our resources of the Continental Shelf, Ministry to implement this as soon as being the sea-bed and subsoil of those possible. But, as I have stated earlier, submarine areas adjacent to the coast it depends on the question of the of the States of Malaya, but beyond the setting up of the machinery for this, limits of the territorial waters of those Rent Officer for each State, and also States. The sea-bed and subsoil of the the appointment of the Tribunal and areas within the territorial waters, also the Appeal Board by the State however, are vested in the respective Authority. However, I can assure the State Authority under the National Honourable Member that implementa Land Code. The present Bill is tion of this Bill will come as soon as therefore intended to provide for this possible. deficiency. 1107 21 JUNE 1966 1108
The Continental Shelf Bill is essen Schedule ordered to stand part of tially an enabling legislation providing the Bill. for the sovereign rights and powers to deal with the mineral and other natural Bill reported with amendment: read resources in the sea-bed and subsoil of the third time and passed. the shelf in pursuance of the terms of the Geneva Convention of the Con THE PETROLEUM MINING BILL tinental Shelf (1958) which was retified Second Reading in 1960 by the Government of the Federation of Malaya then. It also Tuan Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: provides for the application of the Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that criminal and civil laws of the Federa a Bill intituled "the Petroleum tion in regard to act or omission which Mining Bill, 1966" be read a second takes place on any installation or time. device constructed in, on or above the Continental Shelf. Honourable Members will remem ber that in moving the Bill for the As the Explanatory Statement which Continental Shelf just now I explained is attached to the Bill gives sufficient, that the issue of licences for the clear and lucid explanation, Mr exploration and exploitation of petro Speaker, Sir, I do not wish to add any leum in the sea-bed and subsoil of the thing to what is already stated there. shelf will be provided under the Petroleum Mining Bill. The opportu Tuan Khaw Kai-Boh: Sir, I beg to nity has also been taken to provide a second the motion, single uniform legislation for the exploration and exploitation of petro Question put, and agreed to. leum within the onshore areas and Bill accordingly read a second time submarine areas beneath the territorial and commited to a committee of the waters of the various States of Malaya. whole House. The National Land Council has House immediately resolved itself been consulted and has agreed to this into a Committee on the Bill. proposed legislation. Hence this Bill Bill considered in Committee. seeks to make provisions relating to the issue of licences for the explora (Mr Speaker in the Chair) tion and exploitation of petroleum not only in the sea-bed and subsoil of Clauses 1 to 5 inclusive ordered to the Continental Shelf but also within stand part of the Bill. the onshore areas beneath the terri torial waters of the various States of Clause 6— Malaya. Tuan Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: Mr Chairman, Sir, I beg to move an The important Clauses in the Bill, amendment to Clause 6 as stated in the Mr Speaker, Sir, are explained in the amendment slip which has already been Explanatory Statement. circulated to all Honourable Members. The amendment reads: Tuan Senu bin Abdul Rahman: Sir, Insert the following proviso immediately I beg to second the motion. after sub-section (2)— "Provided that nothing in this section Question put, and agreed to. shall affect the rights and powers of the State Authority under the National Land Bill accordingly read a second time Code or any other written law in respect and committed to a Committee of the of areas within the limits of the territorial waters of the State." whole House. Amendment put, and agreed to. House immediately resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill. Clause 6, as amended, ordered to stand part of the Bill. Bill considered in Committee. 1109 21 JUNE 1966 1110
(Mr Speaker in the Chair) sion so granted shall be final and shall not be questioned in any Court Clauses 1 to 6 inclusive ordered to of Law. stand part of the Bill. (3) Upon the production to the owner of such alienated land of the permission granted under sub-section Clause 7— (1), such owner shall allow the person in whose favour the permis Tuan Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: sion is granted or a person autho Mr Chairman, Sir, I beg to move an rised by him to enter upon such land. amendment to sub-clause (4) of Clause (4) If, after having been produced 7 as stated in the amendment slip to him the permission referred to which has already been circulated to under sub-section (1) the owner of such alienated land refuses or fails all Honourable Members and reads to allow entry upon his land by the as follows: person in whose favour the permis sion is granted or a person autho Clause 7 (4)— rised by him, such owner shall be For the words "The same shall cease guilty of an offence and upon con to be subject to his or any other explo viction shall be liable to a fine not ration licences" occurring therein substi exceeding five hundred dollars and tute the words "all exploration licences a further fine not exceeding ten covering such area or any part thereof dollars for every day during which shall determine without the Appropriate the refusal or the failure continues. Petroleum Authority being liable to pay (5) For the purpose of this section any compensation to licensees." the expression 'owner' includes chargee, lessee, occupier or any Amendment put, and agreed to. person having interest in the land; and the expression 'entry' includes Clause 7, as amended, ordered to the exercising of any rights contained stand part of the Bill. in the licence or the petroleum agreement'." Clauses 8 to 13 inclusive ordered to stand part of the Bill. Amendment put, and agreed to. Clause 14, as an addition, ordered Clause 14— to stand part of the Bill. Tuan Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: First Schedule ordered to stand part Mr Chairman, Sir, I beg to move an of the Bill. amendment by adding a new clause 14 immediately after Clause 13 as stated Second Schedule— in the amendment slip which reads as follows: Tuan Abdul-Rahman bin Ya'kub: Mr Chairman, Sir, I beg to move an "New Clause 14— amendment to the Second Schedule Insert the following new Clause 114 as stated in the amendment slip which immediately after the end of Clause 1313— has already been circulated to all 'Permis- 14. (i) where a licensee or a person Permis- 14. (i) Where a licensee or a person Honourable Members, and which enter to wnwhoo iss aa partyar to a petroleum agree- enteuponr ° men t * ha sP beety nt o refusea petroleud entrmy agreeupo-n reads as follows: upoalienaten d menan talienate has beed nlan refused bdy entrthe y owneuponr land "Second Schedule— alienate" d athereon alienatef suchd licenseland e boyr suctheh persoownenr land may make an application to the (a) For the proviso to paragraph 2, sub " thereof such licensee or such person stitute the following— maStatye makAuthorite ayn foapplicatior a permission to n thtoe enteStater upoAuthoritn sucyh foalienater a permissiod land; nan tod 'Provided that this licence shall the State Authority may subject to not confer any right to search in sub-section (2) grant the permission areas of off-shore/on-shore lands applied for on condition that the in respect of which a petroleum applicant undertakes to pay compen agreement has been entered into by sation for all the damage which may the Government with the licensee have been caused to the land or or another person and that the crops or property therein or on such rights hereby granted shall deter other conditions as the State Autho mine in respect of any such areas rity may deem fit to impose. or part thereof upon the entry of such as agreement by the Government (2) Before granting the permission with the licences or another person referred to under sub-section (1), the in respect thereof without the State Authority shall grant to the Government being liable to pay owner of such alienated land the compensation to the licensee or that right of being heard, and the permis other person.' 1111 21 JUNE 1966 1112
(b) In paragraph 5 (a) insert the words construction of the highway. It is 'Menteri Besar/ Chief Minister' imme satisfying to say that the motoring diately after the word 'Minister'." public understands the motive and the Amendment put, and agreed to. necessity of such highway tolls in relation to the frequency of usage. Second Schedule, as amended, However, I would, Mr Speaker, Sir, ordered to stand part of the Bill. like to make a humble request to the Bill reported with amendments: Alliance Government to exempt cer read the third time and passed. tain categories of persons from paying highway tolls. The people I have in ADJOURNMENT mind are small wage-earners working in rubber plantations, in mines, estates, (MOTION) and in agricultural farms, in and around the Tanjong Malim sub- The Minister of Works, Posts and district. These people are low income Telecommunications (Tan Sri V. T. earners living from hand to mouth, Sambanthan): Mr Speaker, Sir, I beg so to speak. They have to make daily to move that the House do now trips on the Slim River-Tanjong Malim adjourn. highway and the nominal tolls imposed on them will add up to formidable The Minister of Transport (Tan Sri proportions in relation to their meagre Haji Sardon bin Haji Jubir): Sir, I beg earnings. These people usually shall to second the motion. ride on motorcycles which are in most cases purchased on hire-purchase ADJOURNMENT SPEECH arrangements. Mr Speaker, Sir, I would EXEMPTION OF TOLL ON therefore humbly request the Govern MOTOR CYCLES ment to consider the exemption of motor-cyclists from paying tolls in (Slim River/Tanjong Malim) using the Slim River-Tanjong Malim Tuan Lee Seek Fan (Tanjong Malim): highway, for these people are low Mr Speaker, Sir, the subject on which income people and their difficulties I would like to touch in my adjourn are real in relation to their low income ment speech is the exemption of toll capacity. I am most confident that the fees for motor cycles at the Slim Alliance Government will give sym River-Tanjong Malim Toll Gate. pathetic consideration to my humble request on behalf of the low income Mr Speaker, Sir, I wish to register earners in the Tanjong Malim sub- a vote of thanks to the Alliance district. Government for having built a fine and first class highway to substitute the Tan Sri V. T. Sambanthan: Mr Spea winding and dangerous stretch of road ker, Sir, I would like to thank the from Tanjong Malim to Slim River. Honourable Member for his tribute The Slim River-Tanjong Malim high both to the Government and to my way is now being used by Malaysians Ministry. The Slim Road, as you of all walks of life, whether they are know, has been a road built for fast going to the North or coming from traffic, and we have imposed tolls the South, by taking full advantage of with the intention of trying to collect the magnificent stretch of highway back part of the expenses involved. made possible by the Alliance Govern As you know, this Ministry has been ment under the dynamic Ministry of engaged in the straightening of roads Works, Posts and Telecoms. I in various parts of the country, and endorse the principle that the Alliance with the increase in traffic the need Government is legitimate to collect for widening roads is all the more tolls on the use of the Slim River- important. Therefore, we have got to Tanjong Malim highway in accordance recover the money that we put in, and with the principle of direct cost, with the imposing of tolls is now a normal a view to gradually reducing the huge feature in most modern countries. capital expenditure being spent on the However, it is pleasant to observe, 1113 21 JUNE 1966 1114 from the Honourable Member's speak about this without consulting speech, his interest in the members in my colleagues, the Minister of Finance his constituerxy. While the Govern and the Cabinet. This I shall assure ment on the one side needs to collect the Honourable Member I will tolls, I do recognise that we have got certainly do. to prevent hardship, where the hard ship is real; and as such I shall Question put, and agreed to. undertake to give consideration to the request made by the Honourable Mr Speaker: The House is adjourned Member. It may well be that we may sine die. start to have a system of season tickets possibly, but then I should not Adjourned at 7.10 p.m.