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NO.3 Wednesday, February 12, 19641Magha 23,1885 (Saka)

Oral Answers to Questions- COLUMNS *Starred Questions Nos. 31 to 37 219r-60 Written Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 38 to 60 260-75 Unstarred Questions Nos. 92 to 127 275--98 Paper laid on the Table 299-300 Committee on Private Members' Bill and Resolutions- Thirty-second Report 300 Estimates Committee- Forty-second Report 300 Statement by Member 300-03 Motion re: communal disturbances in East Pakistan and West Bengal 30 3-435 Shri H. N. Mukerjee ... 306- 28 Shri Surendranath Dwivedy 328-41 Shrimati Renuka Ray 341-47 Shri N. C. Chatterjee 347-56 Shri A. C. Guha 357-63 Shrimati Subhadra Joshi 364-73 Shri P. K. Deo 373-78 Shri C. K. Bhattacharyya 378-84 Shri Bade 384--95 Shri Bakar Ali Mirza 395-400 Shri P. R. Chakraverti 4OO-D6 Shri Tridib Kumar Chaudhuri . 406-14 Shri Abdul Ghani Goni 414-19 Dr. Ram Manohar Lohia 419-33 Shri Nanda 434-35

*The sign+marked above the name ofa Member indicateS that the Ques- tion was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. LO~ SABRA DEBATES

219 220 LOK SABHA Shri Shiv Charan Gupta: Shri Hem Raj: Wednesday, FebruaTY 12, 1964/ Shri Swell: Magha 23, 1885 (Saka) Shri Moban Swamp: Shri K07a: Shri p. R. Patel: The Lok Sabha met at Eleven oJ the Dr. Mahadeva Prasad: Clock Shri Ram Sewak Yadav: Shri Bagri: [MR. SPEAKER in the· ChaiT] Shri Abdul Ghani Goni· ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS l Shri Vidyalankar: . '!'heft of Relic from Hazratbal Mosque Will the Minister of Home Allairll + be pleased to state: r Shri Yashpal Singh: Shri P. C. Borooah: Shri Prakash Vir Shastri: (a) whether investigations have Shri Maheswar Naik: been made in regard to the disappear- ance and subsequent recovery uf the Shri Bishanchander Seth: Shri B. p. Yaelava: sacred relic of the Prophet from the Shri Dhaon: Hazaratbal shrine by the Central In- telligence Department; Shri Visbram Prasad: Shri Bbapat Jba Azad: (b) if so, the result thereof; and Shri R. G. Dubey: Shri Bibhuti Mishra: Shri D. C. Sharma: (c) whether the culprits have been Shri D. D. Puri: apprehended? Shri p. R. Chakravertl: Shri Indrajit Gupta: The Minister of Home Affairs (Shri Shri M. L. Dwivedi: Nanda): (a) to (c). Investigations with Shri Hem Barua: regard to the disappearance and sub- Dr. L. M Singhvi: sequent recovery of the sacred relic Shrimati Savitri Nigam: of the Prophet from the Hazratbal Shri Onkar Lal Berwa: shrine are being pursued with vigour. Shri Tridib Kumar The Central Intelligence Bureau are Chaudhurl: affording every possible assistance to Shri P. K. Ghosh: the State Police in this matter. Some Shri Gulshan: arrests have already been made and Shri Solanki: more arrests may have to be made Shri P. H. Bheel: later. The investigation is not yet Shri Kachhavaiya: complete, but as soon as it is complet- Shri S. M. Banerjee: ed the case will be filed in court. Shri Harish Chandra .31. Mathur: ~i'~f~: 'PlT~~ Shri Kisbnapal Singh: Shri Nath Pal: ~ ~m;;n:rr;r 1FT qm ~ it Shri G. Mohanty: ~ ~ ~, ~ '11J1: ~ Shri Sarjoo Pandey: \ Shrl Ram Harkll YadaY: rt ~ '" ~;3'f ~ 1FT ;mr Shri Kajrolkar: ~m;;@'~~ ? :2025 (al) LS.-l. 221 Oral Answers FEBRUARY 12, 1964 Oral Answers

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Shri Nanda: That will be linked up ISIT iRT: ~ ~ ~~ ~ f.I; ~ tn:: with the wlhole inquiry. ~ f~ if;T lfi1r vii" fif; ~ ;;rt;r ij ~ mif?: ~ 'Ii't, ~ itm pr Shri Trictib Kumar Chaadhari: May I know it the case ot the theft of Hindu 1iT I ;;r;;r~f~ f ifi ;;rr~~fif; idols from Janlmu area ...... ~~~ rr fr rr~' T' i il' : m :~'fiT~~f ;~ Mr. Speaker: Here we are concerned with this relic tlheft only. ~~~ Shri Tridib Kumar Chaadhurl: I am 1fT ~ : mm : ifliT it ;;rr;r only seeking to ask whether that wu connected because both the tlhings oc- fim ~ fif; ~ 'liT ~ ~ qf,rer curred simultaneously and whether iIT\'f ott ;it ;ftU ~, ~ wrofulif it there is ....

Mr. Speaker: Unless the investiga- here are deputed, and they assisted tion is completed, how can the Home say just now. Minister express his opinion whetiher there is any connection or not. Sbrimati Renu Cbakravartty: Has it been brought to the notice of Govern- Shri Tridib Kumar Cbaudhuri: Do ment that On the 4th January, Presi- the Government suspect any conspi- dent Ayub had stated that this was not racy behind this thing? the work of any Muslim and that it was a conspiracy, and if so, wlhy was Mr. Speaker: They should not dis- it not possible for Government to im- close it. mediately issue a contradiction so that many of the things that happened sub- Shri N. C. Cbatterjee: In view of sequently need not have happened? President Ayub's outburst, statement, that it must have been done by non- Shri Nanda: It might have led to cer- Muslims, may we know whether there tain complications at that stage? is any truth in that allegation of Pre- sident Ayuh? Shrl Nath Pai: The relic was dis- covered, as far as the reports in the Shri Nanda: No. press go, on the 4th January. May I know why the identification was de- 'll ifj : 'fl1T lfQ .,-'r ~'f, T 'f layed for one month when it was known how explosive the situation was ~T ~r ~, 'f~ ~ l nor ~ I im nor ~i' TT ~ FEBRUARY 12, 1964 226 fit; ~ <:flIi ;;;R; 0fl1I' ;r ~ 'fiT Ifil"{III' here are deputed, and they assist ill the investigaUons. ~r~ I Shri Bhagwat Jba Azad: May I know ~ ~~ : ~i ~ 'fiT how far it is true that the investigation m'~~~ ? which was primarily in the !hands of Government has now been entrusted ~i ~ ~: ~ ft;rlr to the State Government and the Cen- m f.ti tre are only assisting them, and if it is l.fi!: tI'

lT~m~: ;rTll ~Tif@ Shri Hem Barna: May I know whe- ther the attention of Government has ~r;;rr ~ ~ been drawn to a statement made by Bakshi Ghulam Mohammed to the ~ ' ~~ ~ ~ ~ fil; effect that the people of Jammu and orR it if:rIndia for saying this or he said mo

Shri. MaheBwar NaDr.: 1Iol) ~~ ~T : 'IlfT it ;;nor \ Shri. B.. G. Dube,.: Shri Bibhuti MJshra: ~ ~ f'F ~ m: lift m ~ qmn: I Shri N. R. Lasirar: \iff ~ ~ 'fiT ;re1: ~ f~ \ifTcrr ~ 1 8hri Ulaka: I .Shri Subocih 1IaDsda: f'F ~ f'ffimTR ~,' lfT ~ 'IiroIJ Shri Warior: ~~f' ~~ f ~~~ 1 Shri Vasudeva. Nair: ~T ~ ~ f'F f~T 't. "Q\if-lfCT'F ~ ~ Shri Sidbesbwar Prasad: I Shri. Mohan Swamp: ~~~ :~ ,, 'fi'r' ~ I Shri Prakash ,:"ir Shastri: ~~~ i ~ ifmT~~f f; Shri. J. B. S. Bist: ~~ ' ~ m it 'flit mOl" fm ~ tr I Sbri Kajrolkar: 8hri P. R. Cbakravertl: ~~ I l 8hri Jedbe: lilT ;;.qr : 11;'fO 'fn:'lT aT lfi! ~ f'F Will the Minister of Home Afl"alr!I be pleased to refer to reply given to ~f ~ '{'"'i9T ~ f'F ~ q ~ llm Unstarred Question No. 1900 on the f'FlfT ~ I Tft 'Tm 11;'F f~ ~ f'F ~ 18th December, 1963 and state: 't. '~ ii.a- fuo;v ~ ~ ~,

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15fT ~ : ~if rf l' ",'ffm;r ~ Mr. Speaker: Still the consultationa are going on with tihe variOUs parties. 'liT i'f 'i!:T 'Iff 'ff~ lj"q'iIT rrif ~ ? Shri Nanda: This is an elementary III"t ;f;qT :

Shrimati sav!tri Nigam: May I know + 'W!hether the majority of representa- Shri P. C. Borooah: tives of various groups have expres- rShri Maheswar Naik: sed their view that a popular let-up I Shri Barish Chandra Mathur: for Delhi should be given? ·33. Shri Bibhuti Mishra: i Shri Indrajit Gupta: Shrl Nanda: This question has been i Shri P. R. Chakraverti: asked again and again and I have l Shri C. K. Bhattacharyya: given a definite answer in the negative. Will the Minister of Home Mairs be pleased to state: Shri P. R. Chakravertl: May I know what steps have been taken to ful1ll (a) whether Government have re- the assurances given to the people of viewed their decision for grant of Delhi in the general elections by the autonomy to Hill districts in Assam in ruling party? the light of the discussions the Assam Members of Parliament had with the Shrl Nanda: It is too vague. Prime Minister recently; and

Shri Warior: What are 1fu.e main (b) if so, how the decision hv 'l'easons or circumstances which keep been modified or revised? 233 Oral Answers FEBRUARY 12, 1964 Oral Answers 234- The Minister of state ill the Minis- ing that they are virtually opposed to , try of Home Affairs (Shri Hajar- the offer as it euts at the very root ot Davis): (a) and (b). The Prime democracy. Minister gave an interview to certain Members of Parliament from Assam Shri Hajamavis: Of course, it has On the 21st December, 1963. There- been taken into consideration. after, certain clarifications were given to the Members. The proposals have Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: Let not been modified. the answers be given a little more loudly. Shri P. C. Borooah: When the pre- independent Assam State has already Slni P. C. Bwooab: have not been fragmented into a number of heard the reply. pieces, what are the reasons which prompted the Government to make Mr. Speaker: That is also under con- the Hill Districts of Assam a highly sideration. autonomous body, and what are the Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: May principal subjects that are going to be I know the broad outlines and nature transferred to that body over which the Assam Government and the Assam of the offer made by the hon. Prime Assembly will not have any jurisdic- Minister to the Hill people, and if it tion? was acceptable to them by' and large; if so, why it has not been imple- mented? Shri Hajaruavis: The over-all cc>n- sideration, of course, is the good of Shri Nanda: The broad concept was the people of Assam and the good of that the maximum autonomy is to be the people of the Hill Districts, but extended to this area. there is no definite proposal about transfer. The proposal was to ap- Shri Harish Chandra Mathur: I point a commission, and the commis- want the outline, not the concept. sion would work out the details. Shri Nanda: The outline can be Shri P. C. Borooab: May I know placed on the Table of the House or whether Government's attention has sent to the hon. Member. been drawn to the resolution passed by the joint sitting of the Assam Mr. Speaker: He will appreciate Congress Party and the Assam Par- that a decision has to be taken. liamentary Congress Party stating that while they do not oppose giving more autonomy to the Hill Districts, Shri Harish Chandra Matltur: It they are virtually opposed to the could be given in one or two minutes' offer, as it purports to cut democracy time: the broad features and the out- at the very root? line of the offer given by the Prime Minister. Mr. Speaker: It should be a supple- mentary question, not a speech, it The Prime Minister and Minister or ought to be short. External Affairs and Minister of Atomic Energy (Shri Jawabarlal Dri P. C. Borooah: May I know Nehru): It is clear that the first thing wnemer ..•• was that. the unity of Assam should continue. Subject to that, greater Mr. Speaker: Only one 'whether' autonomy should be given to the hill should be there at a time in one sup- districts. Under the present Act they plementary. have a little measure of autonomy. That was to be increased greatly, Shri P. C. Borooab: I want to know financially, administratively and other- whether they passed a resolution stat- wise. All that was subject to a com- 235 Ora! Answers MAGHA 23, 1885 (SAKA) Oral Answers mission being appointed to consider autonomy On the hill districts haa the whole thing and it has to recom- been opposed by a large, number of mend what should be done. Congress Members of Parliament from, Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: May I Assam on the ground that in the event of such an autonomy being es- request that the Prime Minister may speak seated? tablished the Congress ruling PartY ' would lose its majority .... Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: I am not speaking much. I am grateful to the Mr. Speaker: Order, order. No. hon. Member but I am not speaking insinuations or innuendos. much. Shri Jndrajit Gupta: No innuendo; Shri Swell: A straight offer was it is widely reported in the Press .... made by the Prime Minister to the (Interruptions). I want to know' representatives of the hill people and whether such a representation has in response to tha t offer the hill peo- been made and whether Government ple in their conference have appre- will succumb to it or not. ciated the Prime Minister's sincere efforts and have requested for a fur- Mr. Speaker: The question that can- ther interview with him in order to be asked is: whether such a represen-- have certain points clarified. The tation has been made-that is all. Prime Minister knows the problems of Assam and of the hill people much Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: I do not better than anybody else in this coun- personally know of any representa- try and his word 'has much value tion. I know that various representa_ in this country and in the tions have 'been received, but I do not world. In this context may remember anything of that type. I know whether it ls the Govern- ment's intention to revise that offer unilaterally at the instance of certain f mm~:i ~~ Members of Parliament from Assam ~ f'F 5I"'l1'f ~T ;;fr ~ ori f~ f~~ excluding Mr. Hem Barua, at his re- ~' ~ ~ ~ quest who have always been known '1ft 'Ff f;;ol1r f'FlIT for their anxiety to dominate over m ;r mflI' ~ ~T -f fom ~ it ~m it srfffi'l'fu' Shri Swell: Is it the intention of f~~~ i ~~~ Government to revise that offer uni- laterally without referring it to the 'ffr ~ ;;f~ : r 'l?T f'F

Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: There is no Shri Hem Barua: I am not a nec- such intention. As a matter of fact imperialist. I do not want to domi- the offer has not ,been formally ac- nate anybody, even my wife! cepted. This was the general ap- proach to the question which was to Mr. Speaker: It is not a personal be referred to a commission. The explanation., commission has not yet been appoint- ed because the general approach has not yet been liIccepted. 8hrl Hem Barua: Originally, the Prime Minister made an offer that waa Shri Jndrajlt Gupta: I would like known as the Scottish pattern of auto- to know whether it is not a fact that nomy for the Hill people. Now, as I the Prime Minister's proposals for understand it, he has made a new offer. vesting quite a large measure of May I know what is the difference :237 Om! Answers FEBRUARY 12, 1964 Ora! Answers

between these two offers, the Scottish consider fully further and they went pattern and the new offer? away. There ~ no question of m::t explaining other people's attitude to 'IT ~ : mfC1!f qc,f 'OfT 1:1;'f1 them. 'fT' i~ Shri .Toac:hhn Alva: May sug- gest, ...... Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: I do not know what the hon. Member means Mr. Speaker: Order, order. It is a by this difference between two offers. suggestion.

Mr. Speaker: He says originally it Shrl .Joachim.Alva: The hon. Sardar was on the Scottish pattern. Vallabhbhai Patel and the hon. Pandit Govind Vallabh Pant sat and answer- Shri Hem Barua: The first was the ed the questions. So, I suggest that the Scottish pattern. This is a nameless hon. Prime Minister may sit and pattern, a new pattern, a new offer. I answer questions. want to know the difference between the two patterns, the Scottish pattern Mr. Speaker: Next question. _and the new pattern. Script for all Indian Languages Mr. Speaker: If he knows that this + is a different one, then he knows 1Ibere Shrl Shree Narayan Das: is a difference! Shri Prakash Vir Shastri: e34. { Shri Yashpal Singh: Shri Hem Ba.rua: I want to know Shri R. G. Dubey: the difference in concrete terms. Shri Vishram Prasad: Shrl G. Mohanty: Shri .Jawaharlal Nehru: There is no difference. The words "Scottish pat- Will the Minister of Education be tern" were used because of a parti- pleased to litate: cular element in the proposals; that was, that the members from the Hill (a) whether the Government of areas would, apart from any law, be India are aware of any movement for agreeable to any legislation that ap- having one script for all Indian langu- plies to them like in Scotland. There, ages; and there is a convention that the Scottish people's representatives in Parliament (b) if so, the reaction of Govern- should agree to it. So far as that ment thereto and the help and en- was concerned, it was the Scottish couragement given -by Government pattern; not in regard to other for the movement? matters. The Deputy Minister in the Minis- Shri C. K. Bbattacb.aryya: May I try Of Education (Shri Bhakt Dar- know whether it has been explained shan): (a) and (b). A statement is to the Hill people that the Congrells laid on the Table of the House. Members in Parliament acted in their interest, and whether their reaction to STATEMENT the representation made by the Cong- ress Members of Parliament has been (a) and (b). While Government received in any way? are not aware of any organised move- ment as such for having one script Shri .Tawaharlal Nehru: I do not for all the Indian languages, the know. On this matter, I interviewed question of adoption of -a common members of the Hill People's Confer- script was considered by the Official enCe sometime ago, and we discussed Languages Commission who were of the matter. I made certain proposals the opinion that a beginning might be . which they said they would like to made at a proper time to make the -239 Drat Answers MAGHA 23, 1885 (SAKA) Drat Answers 240 Devanagari script optional for use in be able to represent sounds peculiar :the writing of the regional languages to other Indian languages also. I and there should be no attempt to would like to know what are those impose, even indirectly, the Deva- measures. nagari script upon the Nation. Shri Bhakt Darshan: Yes, Sir; to The matter was subsequently con- develop Devanagari script in such a .sidered at a meeting of the Chief manner that it is able to represent all Ministers and Central Ministers in the peculiar sounds of the Indian August 1961. The meeting was of the languages. opinion that "a common script for all Indian languages was not only desir- Mr. Speaker: That is given in the able but would be a powerful link statement. between the different languages of India and, therefore, of great help in Shri Bhakt Darshan: No, Sir. In bringing about integration. Such a the statement, there is only a refer- common script in India under the ence and an indication. existing circumstances can only be Devanagari. While it may be difficult Mr. Speaker: What he said just to adopt a common script in the now, I find in the statement. near future this objective should be kept in mind and worked for". Dur- Shri Bhakt Darshan: Does the mem- ing a debate in Lok Sabha on 17th ber want that I should elaborate on March, 1961 on a Resolution moved it? by a private Member for the adoption of Devanagari as a common script, Shri Shree Narayan Das: It has Government's policy was clarified and often been mentioned in statements it was stated on behalf of the Gov- that whenever any mOVe is to come, ernment that while the object behind that move has to come from the non- the Resolution was commendable, the Hindi speaking people. I would like ri&.ht time for the adoption of a com- to know whether the opinion of the mon script would arrive When the non-Hindi speaking people in their move came from the non-Hindi States has been r ~ in this speaking people, so that there could respect. be no suspicion in their minds about the imposition of common script. The Shri Bhakt Darshan: A!I has been policy of the Government continues to explained the statement itself, all !be the same. in the Chief Ministers representing the In the meantime, however, various non-Hindi speaking States were also enabling steps are being taken by a party to that resolution, and as such Government with a view to develop- they have already committed them- ing Devanagari in such a manner that selves to that point of view. it may be able to represent sounds peculiar to other Indian languages "'T 5fII>mlfT:{ ~T : ,!lIT it orR also. It is also sought to popularise ~ ~ ~ Dev'anagari through a quarterly Jour- f'P '1T"f '!ft '1"i'..,m 'lfr nal "Bhasha" published by the Minis-

Shri P. Venkatasubbaiah: May I Shri R. G. Dubey: May I know whe- know whether the Government is ther the Government propose to set aware of the fact that there is a move up any study team, in view of the im- afoot between the Mysore Govern- ment and the Andhra Government to portancE> of this question, to evolve a practical solution to solve this pro- evolve a common script for both bi-em? Telugu and Kannada? If so, may I know whether any attempt is being Shri Bhakt Darshan: I do not think, made first to evolve a common script Sir, that this has ever been con- for the South Indian languages and sidered. then think ot the Devanagari script?

Shl'i Iapur SIngh: May I know Shri Bhakt Darshan: I am sorry whether Government realise that they that we haVe got no official informa- are not competent morally or legally tion about it, but it is a step in the- to impose a strange script on any right direction. historically developed language with- ~ ~ out first turning the country into a '1' 1R'0 S\'o tIIri : :orr "totalitarium" and if so why do Gov- if;~~m~lflff~f'li ~T ernment keep on meddling with this f~ m: ~ if; fTT m m- ~r Mr. Speaker: He is entering into ~ 'ITT m ~ f'li" ;;r;; ~ n rnf.m argument. ~ lf if; ;;iT m &. ;;;;if; ~l if Shri Kapur SiDgh: No, Sir. It is a ~ l!T'F ;; ~ f'li" \r.f '11: f~ ~ ~ question of fact. Do they realise or ~~ \t"'1\,ihl'1 ~r ~ ~ 1 1't :;rr;r;rr not that the implication of the step is that they are going to impose a ~ ~ fl!; ~~ l!T'F 'Ii1 f~ if; f~ 'ltrange scriPt On a historically deve- ~~~~T~ ? ioped language without first turning the country into a "totalitarium"? Do ~ ~ em.,-: >.f"\lq. ~~ '3"l'l1f they know it or not? efT W f

~li ' T ~ f.t; \f'f. ij'l!'R' litl: ~ P-ti" '1"'f Cf'I>" ~' i ; f;;rJ; 'flIT In:T f;;rf'l" ~ ~ ;;iT ;;rnf ? ~ Iflmi f~ T(1I'T t '1"1<: ~ f'PlT lFI'T ~ cf'i 'flIT f'PtT I1"I1'T ~ ? qr ~~ ~i;r : it mT ~;O 3 CffilOll' '1ft, '1fT<: mmrr ~ f~ "11 lI'lftI' "lPr,{, ~' ~ , m : ~ l ~ l!'fof'-lr if ~ ~ ~'l'i f ~ it i ;;~ ' l tr1:'!n: ~ 1:fccm1(" li,;: ~ f'f. f~f~,~~i ~' fr~T~ f' i~i ' "l"r ,ft lflI'f'f m 'l~T ~f ~ f'f>it -"rtt i '~ it '{it i ' r ~ i!; ij'f

Mr. Speaker: I would like to make will also cover engineering subjects. a request to the hon. Member. Our Engineering is a part of technical way of putting the question is by call- education. ing out the number. In our rules We have provided that an han. Mem- Shri Barish Chandra Mathur: May ber will PUt the question by calling 1 know whether this suggestion has out the number. come from a person who was at one time the Secretary of the Ministry of Academy of Engineering EducatIon and Scientific Research and Who is now a little higher up? If *35. Shri Barish Chandra Mathur: so, do I take it that it was only after Will the Minister of Education be he left this Ministry that it struck pleased to state: him Or he thought about it while he was in the Ministry? (a) whether Government have con- sidered a proposal to set up an Aca- demy of Engilieering; and Dr. M. M. Das: So far as our know- l~ goes, this proposal is a sugges- (b) the nature of the proposal and tIOn from the Chairman of the All steps taken to materialize it? India Council for Technical Education who is the Minister of Education in The Deputy Minister in the Minis- the Government of India. He sug- try of Education (Dr. M. M. Das): (a) gested this in his inaugural speech at and (b). There is no proposal to set the All India Council for Technical up an Academy of Engineering, but Education in their meeting which was the All India Council for Technical held on 8th December, 1963. His Educ.ation has recommended a Cen- suggestion was endorsed by the All tral Institute to conduct research on India Council for Technical Education various problems of technical educa- and they recommended that such ~' tion. A detailed scheme for the Insti- institute should be set uP. tute has yet to be formulated. Shri Sham La! Saraf: May I know whether international standards in, Shri Barish Chandra Mathur: In engineering will also be taken up in era of engineering and techno- this this ,institute and also whether ad- logy, may I know what importance vanCe research will be associated with and priority Government gives to an this in order to obviate the necessity· engineering institute as compared to of sending our students abroad? any other academy which has been established? Dr. M. M. Das: As I have said in my Dr. M. M. Das: There was no pro- original reply, the detailed scheme has posal at any stage to set up an aca- not yet been formulated. Every demy of engineering. So the com- possible consideration would be given parison between the two does not to this matter When fonnulating thlll come in. scheme.

Shri Barish Chandra Mathur: My Shri P. Venkatasubbalah: May I question is this. The Government know whether, instead of forming a suo motu should have given priority separate institute, it would not be to this academy of engineering. I desirable to change the existing want to know whether they them- regional engineering institutes in selves have thought abgut it instead different parts of the country so as to· Of waiting for somebody else to make suit the recommendations that have a suggestion? been made now?

Dr. M. M. Das: This particular ins- Mr. Speaker: That is a suggestion: titute whiCh is proposed to be set up for action. 247

Shri D. C. Sbanna: May I know if there is any academy of engineer- (lfi) 'flIT ~ ~ it; W ing in any progressive countries of ~i ;i ,f f ; l : ~ the world and, if so, from which country the hon. Member got this fcRrr<;nff it; ~ it; ~ ~ idea to which he referred just now If'{ ~ ;ffir ~ 'fiT II1'nTT 1I1'T ~ ~ r~ ~ Dr. M. M. Das: We have not got mT, m'lr if m-- the information whether any academy 'l ~~~ ; of engineering exists in any progres- sive countries of the world but our ~ ~~m~~ day-to-day administration in ,connec- tion with the propagation and deve- f.tiR'TT cfr 'flIT teachers. it "fA ~~T ~ f':i; "f'+iT ~ fi!;crif ~ (b) Uttar Pradesh. ~~ ~ if; ~ ~ f':i; ~' fl ' i ~T (c) No, Sir.] i ~' iT~~~~ "" SAim 'f\""{ ~ : ~m f':i; 'IT'!"- q'lff ~ ? 'J;if fllTm "ifil''t ~ 0 >;fl+m;fT if wR ~ Shrimati SonncJaram Ramachandran: ~i ~ rf':i;'fi :l' @~~ Only Uttar Pradesh and partly Bihar. f~T if; ~ '!iT ~i T 'Ii'i ~ 'f In Bihar they have raised t.lte salary, but not the dearness allowance, along ron- G!mT ~ ;or) f'li ~T it 'fill'!" rn with other Government servants. -.mr ~lfT ~ '+it ~ ~ ~ o;ftl: -rl trn'mf f ~ : ;p:ff ~ ~@ ~ ~ ,!CO'l!fir it ~ f'fGTlf f;:r:rT iflfT qr f'li~~~if;~ li~ifi' f':i; ";d"if if; ~~ 'ii1 f':i;iFIT ~ ;;iT~~ f :: ' f~i ~ "fTlf crT ;p:ff it "fA ~' im ~ f':i; :a-m IfFT ~ '3"fl" if; f<'lit ~~ ;p,- '!iT 'liT{ ~r ~~ f;orfT if "f'lTT ~ ~ mrr ~'ffi~ sTo\l;o lfT cT0\l;0 ~ iMT it ~ ~'lf f if~ '1ft ~ '3"fl" ~ ;p:ff ~Tlf ~ ? ~ if ~ "fAit 'liT lWf f':i;'lT f'li ' l ~ ~ ~ il'''f~i ~ r~ <,!I'T ''IT''," 'f ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ I Shrimati Son.daram Ramachand- Shri Snrendranath DWivedy: I do .zan: Already there is an offer by the not know haw my name was clubbed ~ n r l Government to subsidise when with this ··question? My question the State Governments increase the was quite different. salaries Of the primary school teachers and bring theun On par with that of Mr. Speaker: Does he want to ask .other Government servants. As Uttal" any supplementary now? If he wants Pndesh is a big State it has got some to bring tha.t to my notice, he might do it differently. tens of thousands of teachers. So, it .needs more tha.n Rs. 10 crares. That Shri Snrendranath Dwivedy: I had is the reason why it is not increasin-g asked whether they are discussi,ng -the dearneS9 allowance of the primary this matter with the States' Education school teachers as also their salaries, Minimers for making education a .even though they were revised once in roncurrent subject and fOr the creation ·the Second Plan period. of an all-India educational ··S'el"Vice. I do not know how that has been -rl Sf·mrcil'"{ ~r : it't ~~ clubbed with this question. 'iI'J1I" (li") iF:a-m it ~fTr f':i; if~ Shri S. C'. Samanta: What is the ~ if 'RIm'lfT f':i; 'SIl1(flfiF f~ highest pay-scale in a State Ilnd is it not equal to the pay-scale Of even ~ ~;r ~ ~~ if; 'liT If>1f :a-m- Class ill employees?

··The Member's name had been correctly clubbed on S.Q. 36 for 'which he had -given a separate notice. S.Q. 54 related to All-India Edue&- ~ n service and the Member's namewas also clubbed to this Question. Ed. Oral Answers MAGHA 23, 1885 (SAKA) Ora! Answers

Some Bon. Members: Class IV ~r flf<'f(fi ~, '3 ~ 'l>'T ~ ~ 1W;rcrT employees. ~ ~~ 'T Shrimati Soundaram Ramachandran: ~r ~ 'T ~ ;ITt if

Mr. Speaker: Not so many at one am ~ ~~

ges? to the extent to which public opinion ~ itself in a certain direction, Sbrl Nanda: These have already then naturally the Government also been announced. This is in respect of Oral Answers MAGHA 23, 1885 (SAKA) Oral Answers

the change of the name Sadar-i-Riya- Council to the effect that the people sat ·becoming Governor, the Pnme of Jammu and Kashmir Stat(' were Minister becoming Chief Minister and opposed to the local administration then there is something more about but they have full confidenCe in the the Members of Fa.rliament. fairness and sense of jumice af the Government of India, may I know Shri Sham Lal Saraf: Because of why it is that Government have not these recent unfortunate events that SO far tried to examine the position have happened in Kashmir, the secu- aDd integrate Kashmir with India in rity of the State is almost in danger. order to fulfil the aspirations of the May I know if the Government is people there? alive to the fact that security arrange- ments are made in which the Centre Shri NaJUIa: The question is in two takes the main part so that the events parts. One is about the complete that have happened in the very recent confidence of the people in the Gov- past may not recur? ernment of India. That is perfectly true. So far as the local admil'llstra- Shri Nanda: I do not accept the as- tion is concerned, that reference was E'umption. only in a narrow specific context.

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!/CI'rn'f f~ fT T 'IT ' f'f> offfl'f ~ IS 0 ;rg=r ~ ~ omr iF ;f,-iT 'Q'ii't iF ~ f~'fT;n; ,f"'t if l[TlF'f 'fl[T i;'1T I it ~ ~ : u;;'RT ml1 l11J1TT- I If.'Uit it ~T r ~ it 'f>lRTfwT i't ~if; ,,""w,:iTl1i fif;lfT \!fT W ~ 'mlm: 'Ill '{;V : if Of~r;r ~ ~lil . f'" ~ q;: iif;;:iftl1i whether the Government are extE'nd- ing social and welfare legiSlation 73"'l m~T if f'fi"lfT \!fT, ~ it ~T : passe1 by this Parliament to the ;: 3 'l rr 'll:Tm'fi T~ fif;lfT State of Jammu and Kashmir and, if 'llfT, M'fi"'l 'flIT u;;

;o ... ifi1 ~~ i ;f~~fir r have been pressing all the time til&t there should be complete integration. ~ff I ~... ;0... ij; ~ rn iIlftI;- Therefore, I say that Kashmir as a ij't ..". lf~ 'if~m ~ I ; ~r ~ 'fiT WIhole stands for the integration of f~r~ ;r~~ ; 'ifiT~ ;r~' i :~ Jammu and Kashmir with India. ~ I Shri Tyagi: That means that only the Centre stands in the way. Shri Barish Chandra Mathur: The hon. Minister wifuout Portfolio had Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath: We spent a few days in Kashmir: May I are happy about it. We are happy to know his assessment of the feelings of hear this categorical statement. the people and political parties in res- pect of integration? He had made cer- Sliri Ranga: Shri Nanda hac! said tain statements, and they have appear- that it was only in a small con' ''l:t ed in the press. May I know his assess- that the Government i.n KaShmir ment of the people's feelings and was said to have been out of touch those of the political parties regard- with public oplruon and, therefore, ing integration? unpopular or something like that. Is that the reason why as The States- The ~ without Portlolio man itself has said three days' ago, (Shri Lal Bahadur Shastri): The big the ex-Prime Minister of Kashmir, gest party in Jammu and Kashmir is Bakshi Ghulam Mohammed, is una- the National Conference. ble togo out of his hOuse without police escort .... Shri Nath Pai: It was. Mr. Speaker: Order, order.

Shri La! Bahadur Shastri: It is Shri Ranga: .... because he is stat- today ed to be a responsible member? Shri "dar I. Malhotra: It is. It is MIr. Speaker: We are not concern- bigger than the Swatantra Party. edwith that here.

Shri LaJ, Babadur Shastri: That An Hon. Member: That is irrele- party is in power and the Premier of vant. that State is still a member and the leader Of the 'National Conference. Mr. Speaker: Now, Shri Ranga might ask his supplementary ques- Shrl Hem Barua: Shri Chagla's tion. statement does not support that state- Shri Ranca: In the supplementary ment. question that had been ~ earlier by Shri Kama.th or some other Mem- Mr. Speaker: Shri Chagla's .tate- ber, Government were asked to say ment might have been made in a whether they were aware of the fact, different context. in the light of what Shri ~ l has said at the Security Council, t!hat the Shri Lal Bahadur Shastri: I am present Government in Kashmir was much surprised at these interruptions vesry unpopular. Then, the hon. because what Shri Nath Pai ail'.(I Shri M:iIUsI.er had said that it was un- Hem Barua want is exactly what the PQPUiar onlJI: in a sma\] context. Na.tional Con1!erence stands for. It is Therefore, I want him to make it the National Conference which stands clear. for the illItegration of Jammu and Kashmir with India. All the Members MJ:. Speaker: He said that that of the PSP, especially, Shri Kamath, statement was made i.n a particular Shri Nath Pai and Shri Hem Barua context. 259 Oral Answers MAGHA 23, 1885 (SAKA) Written Answers 260 Shri RaDga: What was that parti- Mr. Speaker: That would be a cular n~; It was for the hon. di1ferent question. Minister to elooidate it. Shri S. M. Banerjee: It is a direct Mr. Speaker: This is not the question. occasion when it can be elucidated. Shri C. K. Bhattaeharyya: The remarks made by Prof. Ranga Shri RaDga: Apart from that COD- about B&kshi. Ghulam Mohammed are telGt, 1 would like to know this. He absolutely ilr:relevant to our ,purp:>.e wasp tihe ex-Prime Miru.ster. He is and they ~ be expunged from the SIJAI(lISed to be the boss of the whole proceedings. show. He is sUPJ)08ed to·be the lear:!er of the National Conference Some Hon. Members rose- and he is obliged to remain in his own house. '11hat statement that he cannot go out without police escort Mr. Speaker: The Question Hour is shows that hi8 Government as well over. as he are so unpopular.

Mr. Speaker: After all these sup- positions, the hon. m~ has had no questron to ask.

Shri SoDaVlUle: I would Il'equest WRlTl'EN ANSWERS TO you, Sill', not to allow these remarks QUESTIONS of Shri Ranga to go on record. Maharashtra Mysore Border Dispate Shri Ranga: This is a very serious thing, and let the !han. Minister Shrl B. P. Yadava: answer it, or let him say that he r Shri Dbaon: Will not be able ~ answer it just 1 Shri Bisbandwl.d.er Seth: ) now. *31. Sbri Yashpal SIJIgII: ShrI p. B. Chakraverty: ~ Savltrl Nigam: Mr. Speaker: Shri S. M. n ~ l Shri Kajrolkal': Shri Nath Pai: 1 have been stand- ing for some time. Will 1Jhe Minister of Home Mairs be pleased to state: Mr. Speaker: I have called Shri Banerjee. (a) whether the border i P ~ between tIhe Maharashtra and Mysore States has been settled; Shri llaDga: His name also appears

in the report. (I:» if so, the decisi.ons arrived at: and IShri S. M. Banerjee: How far is it a fact that the present Govern- M • DOt, the l"I!IIIIDII& for delay? ment of Jammu and Kash:mi.r does not command the confidence of the TIle MiD:IIIter Of Dame Mairs (Shri local people there? 11 so, what steps Nuda): (a) No. Sir. are bei.n,g taken .by the Centre to have a thOl'OUlgh illVestigation made 0% (b) Does not arise. the chM-ges levelled against the ex- Prime MinJister and \.he .present Prim", (c) The matter was not pursued Minister? because of the emergency. Z61 Written Answers FEBRUARY 12, 1964 Written Answers z Price of Fuel I Shri Maheswar Naw: I Shri Sudhansu Das: r Shri Bisbanebander Seth: I Shri p. C. Borooah: Shri B. P. Yaelava: I Shri Balakrishnan: \ Shrt Dhaon: L Shri D. D. Mantri: Sbri Yashpal SiDgh: I Shri M. L. Dwivedi: Will the Minister of Petroleum and $39. -{ Sbri Onkar L~l Berwa: Chemicals be pleased to state: Shri Sureadra Pal SiBgh: I Shri P. R. Patel: (a) whether i.t is a fact that drilling i Shri D. D. Mantri: operatiOlllS were considerably delayed Shrt Jashwant Mehta: in the Cauvery Basin even after l arrival of necessary machinery; Will the Minister of Petroleum and Chemica19 be pleased to state: (b) if so, reasons therefor; and (e) the present position of drilling (a) whether it is a fact that the in that region? talks between the Gujarat State Gov- ernment and the Oil aqd Natural Gas The Minister of Petroleum and Commission have failed; Chemicals (.Shri Humayun Kabir): (a) II!I1id (b). Yes, Sir. Delay occurred (b) if so, the reasons therefor; after the structural rig had arrived at site mainly on account of the difficulty (c) whether the question of fixing in securing and despatching certain the prices will be sent to the arbitra- essential spares and materials neces- tor; and sary for starting drilling operations. (d) if so, wno will be the arbitratar? (c) Drilling of the first structural The Minister of Petroleum and well at Pattukkotta was started on Chemicals (Shri Humayun Kabir): (a) 28th October, 1963 and is now in pro- and (b). There is a difference of gress. The depth of the well reached opinion between the Oil and Natural on 31st January 1964 was 713 metres. Gas Commission and the Gujarat Government on the price of natural Barauni and Gauhati ReflDeries gas to be sUiP'Plied by the Commission. ·41. Sbri Hem Barna: Will the (c) Since the view-points of the Minister of Petroleum and Chemieal9 two parties could IlP1: be reconciled, it be pleased to state: has been agreed that the price of ga-s to be supplied power houses and to (a) whether the Rumanian Govern- the fertilizer cOmpany may be referred ment haVe offered any assistance for to arbitration. the expansion Of Barauni and Gauhati refineries; and (d) The State Government ar" being consulted regarding the appoint- (b) if !IO, the particulars of the ment of the arbitrator. ' - . assistance offered and the reaction of the Government of India thereto? DrilliBg in CauTery Basin Tbe Minister of Petroleum and ~ Warior: Chemiea1s (Shri HlI1".ay1Ul Kabir): rShri M. K. KIlIIIar&Il: Shri Sezhiyan: (a) Yes, Sir, for the Gauhati, Refinery. I Shri Subodh 1Ia.Bsda: .... ~ Shri S. C. Sa_ta: .. h) The details c still awaited. Written Answers MAGHA 23, 1885 (SAKA) Written Answers 264 Barauni and Koyali Refineries if ~ ~ 'R ~' f 'I>'T ~ f;;rn- 'R Shri R. G. Dubey: ~' 'T~;~' : rShrl Vishram Prasad: I Shri Yashpal Singh: ~ m ~, rT~ i!t I Shri P. C. Borooah: I Shri Mohan Swarup: f~if~ fmf~~ -C. ~ Shri Bhagwat Jha Azad: I Shrimati Savitri Nil'am: fum ~ if ~ff ('''It ~ I Shri P. R. Chakravertl: m) : ('F) 'lfi ~ I I Shri D. C. Sharma: Shri D. 1. Naik: l Smi Subodh 1Iansda: ~ ~if~~~ ~~~~ Will the Minister of Petroleum and Chemicals be pleased to state:

(a) whether i ~ project reports *n. "'l1 ~ f1;lIt : w fum for the expansion of the capacity of ~~~'l 'T T~f' : the Barauni and KoyaJi refineries from 2 million to 3 million tons have been prepared; and ('F) 'f~~~~f'fi'f ~ f l l ~ ~ it ;miT fqmtfu;, ..-rovM (b) if 90, the salient features if; 1f'f ~ ~ ~ thereof 'lit f"ii"f"'T ~ f~ liit 'I>'T 'lIT ~ ~T ~~ lIfi't lJ:f=! ~;~ rlItt ~ l lftl'rG: : (rr) l1'f" ;'t, crT ~ ~ ~ I >;It ~ : f~ ~ ,,, : 'fIT "'NT "" 'iTt

1!;'11 firt'mvr ~ f~ oit t ~ The Minister of state in the I\lbIis- try of Bome Affairs (Shri Bajarnavis): m~ 'liT f~ 'R fq,m: ~ it;

(a) whether Government have (b) the terms of the agreemen t, if arrested 29 Pakistani boatmen enter- finalised? ing the Calcutta port area an the 29th December, 1963 illegally; and The Deputy MlDister in the MiJiis. try of Education (Dr. M. M. Das): (b) the action Government propose (a) and b). No agreement has yet to take against the arrested bOatmen been urrived at. The specifications of and to check. such illegal entries in the oceanographic equipment and tbie port area in tutu.re? i~ lU"e being drawn up. 26 WTitten AnsweTs MAGHA 23, 1885 (SAKA) Written AnsweTs 268

Whitley C01lDciJa the Fertilizer Corporation of India about the proposed Durgapul' Ferti- (Shri J. B. S. Hilt: lizer Project; *49. -{ Shri S. M. Banerjee: l Shri Tridib KllDlar Chaudhuri: (b) whether final project report for this fertilizer plant has been Will the Minister of Home Alfalrs approved find necessary foreign ex- be pleased to state: change for obtaining plants and equipments obtained; and

('a) whether any replies have been (c) who will implement the received the circular sent by the to Durgapur Fertilizer Project. Government to the organisations of Central Government Employees The Minister of State in the Minis- regarding setting up of Whitley try of Petroleum aDd Chemicals Councils for the employees; and (Shri Alaresan): (a) Not yet, Sir.

(b) jf so, whether any final decision (b) and (c). Do not arise at this has been ta!l!en regarding implemen- stage. tation of the proposal? Oil PrOduction in Ank]eshwar 011 The MInister Of Home Aftairs (Shri Fie]ds Nanda): (a) and (b), Certain points in respect of the Scheme for Joint (Shri D. J. Nalk: Consultation and Compulsory Arbi- "51. -{ Shri P. C. Borooah: tration have been raised by the LSbri P. R. Cbakraverti: Unions IlDd Associations of Govern- ment servants. They haVe been dis- cussed with the representatives of Will the Minister of Petroleum and certain e!!tployees' organisations, and Chemicals be pleased to state the further discussions are to be held steps taken for increasing the produc- with the representatives of the Major tion of oil in Ankleshwar oil fields? Federations, Unions and Associations. In the meantime Ministries and Departments have been advised to The MJDIIIter of PetrolC1llD uuI dl'8w up detailed schemes, so that Chemica18 (Shri BllDlaY1lD Kablr): onCe the various doubts and difft- The drilling is being intensified and culties have been r ~ by discus- more wells are being connected to sion with the employees' organisa- the oil collecting stations. Other tions, there may be no further delay ancillary arrangements are also beine in setting up the Councils. undertaken· to step up production to 1'75 million tonnes in December, 1964.

Shri Trldib Kumar Disturbances in West Benes] r Cbaudhurl: -51 J Shri Sullodh JIaDsda: r Shri P. R. Chakraverti: . I Shri S. C. SaD.Jata: I Shri P. C. Borooah: I Sbri Sudba_ Das: I Shri M. L. DwivecJi: LSbri S. M. Banerjee: I Shrl Bishancbander Setb: I Shri B. P. Yadava: Will the Minister of Petrol_ a •• I Shri Dhaon: ChemIeaJs be pleased to state: I Shri Shiv Charan Gupta: (a) whether Government have -52. i! :: ~~ ~::~r taken any decision on the report of Mathur: Written Answers FEBRUARY 12, 1964 Written Answe1's

Shri Prakash Vir Shastri: New Ulliversitiell Shri D. D. Mantri: Shri S. M. Banerjee: i Shri Warior: Shri M. K. Kumarau: Shri Hem Raj: \ Shri Dinell Bhattacharya: Shri Prakash Vir Shastri: Dr. U. Misra: I Shri B. P. Tadava: Dr. Ranen Sen: '53. ~ Shri Dhaon: Shrj G. MOhanty: I Shri Bishanchander Seth: SIni Sarjoo Paudey: I Shri S. M. Bauerjee: Shri Indrajit Gupta: I Shri J. N. Hoarib: Shri Kajrolkar: LShri Ko"a: Shrimati Renu Will the Minister of Educatlo. be Chakravartty: pleased to state: Shri Bibhuti Mishra: Shri KisheD. PattDayak: (a) whether the final report of the Shri Bade: Committee on Establishment of New Shri Ram Sewak Tadav' Universities Irad been received; and Shri Bagri: ('b) if so, the salient features there- Shrimati Jyotsna Challda: o!? Shri Koya: Shri H. C. So,,: The Deputy Minister in the Miuistry Shri Tall Singh: Df Education (Shrj Bhakt Darshu): I Shri Gulshan: (a) No, Sir. L Shri S. N. Chaturvedi: (b) Does not arise.

Will the Minister of Home Affairs All India Educational Senice ~ pleased to state: Shri Vishram Prasad: Shri Tashpal Singh: (a) whether he visited ~ I Sllri N. R. Las!

The Deputy Minister in the Minis- (c) There is no deadlock but try of Educatloa (Shrimatl Sowularam issues arising out of the transfer are Ramachandran): (a) Yes, Sir. under consideration of Government.

(b) and tc). All State Governments Physical EducatiOll except Punjab, Madras, Madhya Pradesh and M'aharashtra have r "hri N. R. Laskar: agreed in principle to the form'lltion *56. -( Snri Ramachandra Ulaka: of the Service. The Punjab Govern- L Shri Subodh Hansda: InE'nt have not yet taken a decision while Madras, Madhya Prades'l ;:nd MaJharashitJr.a have stated that they Will the Minister of Education be do not see any advantage in the for- pJeased to refer to the reply given mation of the Service. The Govem- to starred Question No. 73 em the "ment of Maharashtra feel that the 20th November, 1963 and state: creation of such a Service may lead to weoakening of State initiative and ('a) the action taken for brHlging eontrol while the Madhya Pradesh about co-ordination in various ~ m Government is of the view that such es of physical eduC'ation based on the .a Service is neither necessary nor recommendations made by 'the Kunzru <1esirable. Committee; and (b). whether State Gover'lments Fertilizer Unit at Rourkel:l have been consulted for proper implementation of these recommen- r Shri Yashpal Singh! 'lations, and if so, their reaction I Shr; Krishna Pal Singh: thereto? I Shri Maheswar NaIk: I Shri Himmatsinghji: I Shri P .K. Ghosh: The Deputy Minister in the Mmis- '55. -( Shri Narasimha Reddy: try of Education (Shri Bhakt : Shri D. J. Naik: Darshan): (a) The report of the I Shri Subodh Hansda: K:.mzru Committee was submitted to I Shri S. C. Samanta: the Government on the 12th December, I Shri Sudhansu Das: : &63 and is being examined. L Shri Shashi Ranjan: (b) Not so far, Sir.

W ill the Minister of PetroleUm Revisioll Of Lists of S. C. and S. T. ~n Chemicals be p, .'0

PetroJ.eum Refineries During Fourth Plan wm the Minister of PetrOleum. and Chemicals be pleased to state: r Shri P. C. Borooah: I Shri P. R. Chakraverti: (a) whether Burmah Oil Co. ~m I Shri Maheswar Naik: Shell international have made a new Shr.I A. N. VidyalaDkar: 58. J cHer for participation in the Madras ") ~ ri Dinen Bhattaeharya: Oil Refinery project; I Dr. U. Misra: I Dr. RaDen Sen: l Sbri S. B. Patil: (b) if ~, the main terms of the offer; and Will the Minister of Petroleum and Chemicals be pl€ased to state: (c) the Government's decision thereon? (It) whether a target for petroleum cpfining capacity for the Fourth Plan has been fixed; Tbe Minister of Petroleum and Chemieails (Shri Hmnayun Kabir): (b) if so, at what level; anc! ta) Yes, Sir. ·.c) whether there bas been a radi- c .. l change in the Government polley (b) The main feature of the pro- in this respect and if so, what? posal is to offer 51 percent of the equity capital to Government of TIle Mtnister 6f PetrolemB and India. Chemicals

Shri P. C. Borooah: r Burmab Shell Reftner'y Aneement I SIrr! N ath Pal· I Sbpi Bbarwat Jha Azad: I SItrI MatI_ar Naik: r Sbri Warior: I Sllr; Yasbpal Singb: Sbri Vasudevan Nair: I Shri Indrajft Gqpta. \ Shri Yashpal Smeh : Shri Hem. Barua: • ~ Shri Bishanchander Seth: Sbri Warior: I I Sbri B. P. Yadava: iShri Vasudevu. Nair: I Shri Dhaon: I Sbri M. K. Jtumaran. I Shri P. C. Borooah: I Shrl Namblar: . Shri P. R. Chakravertl: I Shri R. Barua: l '59. Shri J. B. S. BW: Will the Minister of Petrolnm and Sln'i Onkar L81 Berwa. ()hemieaJII be pleased to state: I Shri Umanath: • I Shri SezlIiyaa: I Sbri P. R. Cba.lD'avertl: (oa) whether it is a fact that Gov- I Shri Bibhuti MiUra: ernment had noti1'led the Burmah 275 Written Answers MAGHA 23, 1885 (SAKA) Written Answers 276

Shell that the existing licence of the ( t) ~, lT f~, fum company would have to be terminated before long; and ~ f~mr r 'f ~ ~ (b) whether they have intimated the Government any conditions to be ( ~ 'R:'I"PIq" $ ~ <:!1n included in a new agreement? Of ~~ f~, The MiDisIier of PetroleaDl and ~ ' ""ij""r(ufl Qaemleals (Shri BumaylUl Dhlr) : ~ ; ~ (a) No, Sir. ( ~ ~ f r r~, "lT1«f (b) The refining company have ~,fi Tffi ~, offered to terminate the existing refinery agreement on certain condi- 'f ~ • ~ tions. This proposal is under discus- sion with the company's represen- (¥) "SIlo 11;0 ~ ~mr 1atives. '~',~~... - f m ,~ " ;>f t ;>fl;f if ;f~fir~ ~ "SIlo tf'to ;fio ~, ~ fiIITlf, 1313 ~ f~ 'ftT"{ ~ 1111 miff( smR' : 'tlIT f ~ ~ tc; ~, ~~ it; ~~ WIT ~~ ; i ;~i ;~i ~ T, ~~ r,~ ~ ~ ""'" !i'lT m. f~ : fimr.r!f, m ~

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Memorial to Anagarita Dharampala (b) Does not arise.

94. Shri Ram Harkh Yadav: Will the Minister of Education be pleased to (c) The estimated offtake is SO,OO!) state: tonnes per year for each of the two products but the requirement of Fur- (a) whether it is a fact that a Memo- nace oil may go up. rial is to be erected in Sarnath in memory of Anagarita Dharampala, the The Assam State Electricity Board great pioneer of Buddhist revival in is putting up one 12.5 m'egawatt Gas India: Turbine set utilising Light Diesel Oil and proposes to put up one 30 mega- (b) if so, the Government's role in watt Thermal Station using Furnace· the scheme: and Oil. (c) the contribution of Government in the implementation of the memorial scheme? Elementary School Buildings and 8tafr Quarters The Deputy Minister in the MiIIistry of Education (Shri Bhakt Darshan): 8hri R. G. Dubey: (a) Government have no informa· r8hri Vishram Prasad: tion. !II. ~ Shri Warior: I Shri Vasndevan Nair: (.b) and (c). None, as Government LShri D. J. Naik: have not been approached so far. Will the Minister of Education be- Noonmati Furnace Oil pleased to state:

(a) whether the Central Government 95. Shri P. C. Borooah: Will the have agreed to advance loans to the- Minister of Petroleum aJMl Chemicals States for the construction of elemen- be pleased to refer to the reply given tary school buildings and staff quar- to Unstarred Question No. 1111 on ters for woman teachers in rural areas; 4th December, 1963 and state: and (a) whether an agreement has been reached between the Indian Refineries (b) if so, details of the scheme? Limited and the Assam State Electri- city Board for supply of Noonmati The Minister of Education (Shn Furnace Oil and Light Diesel Oil for M. C. Chagla): (a) and (b). The- generation of power; . matter is under consideration. 279 Written Answers MAGHA 23, 1885 (SAKA) Written Answers 280 Writing of Indian mstery Appointment of Primary School Teachers { Shri R. G. Dubey: fn. ~ ri Vishram Prasad: r Shri Maheswar Naik: Shri Sidheshwar l'Irasad: 99. Shri Maniyangadan: Will the Minister of' Ed_tien be 1Shri. Bibhuti Mishra: pleased to state:

(a) whether Government's attention Will the Minister of Education be- has been drawn to the address of Prof. pleased to state: H. K. Sherwani to the History Congre.s delivered at Poona; and (a) whether the Central Government have now decided to give additional (b) if so, whether Government are monetary assistance to States for ap- considering the suggestions made by pointment of primary school teachers the Professor on writing Indian history on the basis of number of children not from a proper perspective'? attending the school;

The Deputy MiDioster in the MinJstry (b) whether any census has been of Edueation (Shri Bhakt DarslIan): taken of such children and if so, the- (a) and (b). Government have not yet figures as per latest assessment for each received the original text of Prof. of the States; and H. K. Sherwani's address delivered at the History Congress at Poona. It has (c) the financial assistance so far been called for and suggestions con- given to each of such States? tained therein would be examined after the text is received. The Minister of Education (Shri M. C. Chagla): (a) Yes, Sir. Chinese Internees (b) and (c). A statement is laid on Shri Maheswar Naik: the Table of the House. [Placed in Lib- Shri Yashpal Singh: rary. See No. LT-2260/64]. 98. J Shri P. C. Borooah: Shri D. D. Mantri: l Excavat.ioDS near Allahabad

Will the Minister of Dome AtrBin f Shri Vishram Prasad: be pleased to state: 190. L Shri R. G. Dubey:

(aJ the total number of Chinese na- Will the Minister of Education be tionals interned since the declaration pleased to state: of Emergency; and . (a) whether it is a fact that ruins (b) the number repatriated to China, of a Khajuraho-type temple dating the number released and the number back to the 11th Century .have been still interned? excavated at village Jamshet about 70' mnes from Allahabad; The MillilIter 01 State in the MinJstry of Dome Affairs (Shri Dajaruavis): (a) (b J if so, the steps taken to protect 2288. these; and

(.b) (i) Number repatriated (c) whether further excavations to China 1654 would be carried out at the site?

(ii) Number released 54 The Deputy Minister in the MiIlistry of Education (Shri Bhaltt Darshan): (iii)· Number stil! interned 566 (a) Yes, Sir. 281 Written Answers FEBRUARY 12, 1964 Written Answers

(b) and (e), The discovery has been ~ lift ~, ill f~ Wr m.: made recently and the question is being examined. f~ f~ mr.!fiT ~;r ;

TilJlJia College Eaq1li,ries (iT) ;m ~ ~ ~ fif1 ~ if/T1i if mIT if 'Ii1i SI'l1'fu" 'I(f """ t ; m.: Sbri Bibhuti Mishra: ('If) lift ~, ill ~ ;m ~ rShri Bhapat Jha Azad: Shri Yashpal Siagh: I Shri Yashpal SiIIgh: I Shri B. P. Yuava: mer. ~ f ,.... q ~ lf (lilT ~~ I Shri Dhaon: m): (if) ~~ I I Shri BishanchaDder Seth: Ill. ~ Shri D. C. Sharma: ~ ~ I Shri Shiv Charan Gupta: I Shrimati Savitri Nigam: ~ ~ ",0,000 I Shri D. D. Puri: ~ ~ ~O, \ Shri P. IL. Cbakraverti: I Shri Pradash Vir Shastri: , ~ , ~ ... ",0,000 I Shri Umanath: L Shri P. C. Borooah: ,, ~ ~ ; ",0,000

n ~ ~ 0,0 ° ° Will the Minister of -Home Mairs be pleased to state: , ~ ~ ... ~ ~ 0,0 e 0

(a) whether it is a fact that Govern- '~ ~ 0 ment have closed the inquiry into the incidents near the Tibbia College in Delhi and in front of the nearby Police ~ ~ Station in 1963; and (iT) m.: ('If). '~' ~ 'm' a

High Court for DeW (b) The decision to close the inquiry was taken following a representation r Shri Ya&hpal SiDch: to that effect from the Students' Ac- I Shri Dhaon: tion Committee of the Tibbia College. I Shri B. P. Yadava: I Shri BilhanehaDlier Seth: Shri D. c. S ....rma: 113. i Shri N. R. Laskar: ~ 'Iii fn(d fir.t: ;m f~ Shri Ramachandra Ulaka: Sbri. Subodh 1lan8da: lFlIT ~ iImif 'Ill FIT rn fif1 : IShri Vishwa Nath Pande),: lShri Bade: (if) iifIlT ~ ~ ~ fif1 ~ it Will the Minister of Rome Affairs ;;r;r~ lRl'ftufT mIT, cm:rvrm ~ be pleased to state: m fiT~rnr~~~ (a) whether the Delhi Administra- it; ~ ;r ~ ~ it; ~ Ifilt lifTm: tion has suggested the constitution of a ~~~; separate High Court for Delhi; and 28 3 Written Answers MAGHA 23, 1885 (SAKA) Written AnstDer. 2B4

(b) it so, the reaction ot Central depend on the success of the proposed Government thereto? project. The Minister of State In the Ministry Oil In Vypeen Island, Kerala of Home Affairs (Shri Bajarnavis): (a) Yes, Sir. 106. Shri A. K. Gopalan: Will the (b) The matter is under considera- Minister of Petroleum and ChenaIeaW tion. be pleased to state:

Primary EdUllation (a) whether any investigation baa been carried out in the Vypeen Island r Shiri N. R. Laskar: in Kerala to find out oil; and 101. ~ Shri Ramachandra Ulaka: l Shri Subodh Hansda: (b) if so, the result thereof! Will the Minister of Education be pleased to state: The Minister of Petroleum and Che- (a) whether draft scheme tor the micals (Shri Humayun Kabir): development of Primary Education (a) Yes, Sir. The investigation is Mill under the Fourth and Fifth Five Year in progress. Plans has been finalised; and (b) if so. the main features of the (b) Several samples have been col- acheme1 lected from the mud-banks off the west coast of Vypeen Island. These have yielded fauna and flora of recent age, The Minister 01 Education (Shri and have not indicated the presence of M. C. Chagla): (a) and (b). The oil. 5C heme is under consideration. Ri!T'( ~ lIfrmr>rTf;;lif '!i' l f~ Educational Facilities fIIr the BllJId ~ 0"'. ~r f ' ~ ~r :. 'flIT ' ~ ( Shri N. R. Laskar: 115. ~ Shri Ramachandra UIaka: m ~ ll'Q ~

(a) whether the project to expand ~ i n l facilities for blind children and for training blind adults in tarm- ing has been finalised;

(b) whether Government also have a plan target to cover the entire coun' try by thls scheme during the next successive plans; and ,,~ ~ ;flfTF,'q' " '--3. Written Answer, FEBRUARY 12, 1964 Written Annoer, 286 foA' ~ ~ m~ SNTifT ~ instruction in Hindi and Englilh for the floating population; and ~i i~ 3~~;r ~~ 'lit "Ii'll\4'tit1l'.,'j iii ~ iAAT 'm'If- (b) U so, the number thereof in each State? W

(,) ~ ~ ~ ' mm qq Funds ler UDiversity Developmeat ~: t¥.o-,oo ~~ iii w..- it 189. Shri Sidheshwar Prasad: Will (laT t i the Minister of Education be pleased to state: '~ li"I1f ~ it Ift';f lfIf iii ft;yit (a) whether it is a fact that Vice- WT1I'P4' ~ mm qq 1FT ~ Chancellors' Conference held in Octo- n \'IN Wt ~ ~, 'l'ilflli ~ ' ber, 1962 urged that the funds require4 for university development should be fcr-mr ~ iii ~ 4& -urn " \'IN made available through the University ~~i Grants Commission instead of dividinlt them between the Commission and the ('t) ~:~ mm State Governments; ~ 'tiT i1"ii'C ~ fm \4if"'Q""f.., (b) it so, whether the reactions of wvw ii'i forlt "IW f.I; ~ ~ 'I>'t the State Governments and the Plan- ~ ~ f ' ~, ffiflli 'SI'l"'t fm f~ 'l r, ~ ~ ed in this matter; and i'l~ ' i i l'i iii ~ 't "IT ~, 'tili ~ ~ matter? ~T' 0fT1! ~ ~ i 'IV'! ~ mm t flli fcr;rnr 4"taiom:rr iii forlt 'SI'l"

(b) and (e). Do not arise. In the circumstances, the matter was Dot pursued further either with the State Governments or the Plannini ~ ~ if ;fi f ~ ~ Commission. f~ ~~: PeriOd tor First Educational Degree ~ \. JJft '10 ,0 qiw : 110. Shri Sldheshwar Prasad: Will the Minister of Education be pleased '1m fum l'foft 11'if ~ otT F1T ~ to state: flj;

(a) whether it is a fact that the Yice-Chancellors' Conference held in (lj;) ' m~~~fl ;~ ~ October, 1962 recommended that the i ~T~~i ; f 'l' ~~~ period for first degree should be 15 ~ U"i'll' ~ 'fiT ~ w;rifT ~ years and not 14 years as at present; and ~l ;' f~fl ;ll'f~; $ (b) if so, the nature of decision taken ~ ll'R ~, crr mrit ~ it ia the matter? ~~ ;r fT~~ i ;~~ n ' ~~'li ~~ ~ The Deputy MinIster in the MInIstr7' .f Education (Shri Bhakt Darshall) : ~ 'lit fit;cr;fT ml!T ~ lj;T 'I'{ (a) The relevant recommendation is ~ 118 under:- ~ ",,0 "The period of school and col- fmTI (I!.l"t ,!o 'lfTm'I'T) : lege study required for the first (lj;) $ ~ , '!Jf[1lf ~i 'lfr ~T liegree should be 15 years and not fif'iiTmft'f ~ I 14 years as at present." Private Colleges In Punjab (b) Government of India have taken JSo decision in the matter. 113. Shri Hem Raj: Will the Minis- ter of Education be pleased to state: Warnings to Newspapers under DJ.B. (a) whether it is a fact that the University Grants Commission pro- Ill. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the poses to stop the grants which it was llinister Of Home A1Iairsbe .pleased giving to private colleges in Punjab; 10 state: (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and (a) whether any warnings 01' notices for penal action were issued (e) 1!he numb';r and names of such to any newspapers by Central Gov- colleges which are to be deprived of ernment under the Defence of India this grant? Rules during the last three months; The Deputy MinIster in the MlnIs- (b) if so, to whom and under wbat try of Educatioa (Shrl Bhakt Dar- eircumstances; and shan): (a) to (c). No Sir. The :&89 Written Amwer. FEBRUARY 12, 1984

grants sanctioned to tour colleges names of these colleges and the rea- only were. however, revoked by the sons for the action :taken are .. University Grants Commission. The follows:-

Conege Amount Purpose of Reason for revocation of grant grant

1. D.A. V. Conege, Amritsar Rs. 35,056 Construction The college did not start of library construction work within building. one year of the sanction of the grant.

2. R. K. Arya College, Nawan- RI. 5,000 Hobby Panjab Univenity recom- shahr Doaba. Workshop mended stopping of grant. on account of serious com- plaints against the college. 3. S. D. College, Hoshiarpur. Future A disaffiliation notice i, grantl pending against the college. 4. Saraswali Training Rs. 1,01,789 Construction TItere is a notice for the College for Women, of Women's disafliliation of this Amritsar. Hostel. college and Panjab Univesity recommended the stopping of grants.

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ft<;r ~T~ (b) the further steps contemplated in finding out oil, gas and lignite in r~r ~f f : this region? ~rll~~~: The Minist« of Petroleum and Che- J micals (Shri Humayun Kabir): (a) 'ltf5fo ~ ~: and (b). A structural well is being ~f' r ~: drillErl near Pattukkotai in TanJore District. It is also proposed to drill a l "If 51'0 ~ 0 'fli'Iml : deep well near Tittacherry village in "t (fo ;ro qrf;r.r : Tanjore District, about 5 miles south- west of Karaikal. Drilling Of this iJliT q;Tf.rqq Cl'4fI ~ ;f(ff ~ deep well is likely to start during ;rcrf.t 'fiT I''1l rn f'ti' : the next few months. The object of drilling these wel18 ('ti') Ipff ~ \R ~ !if; ~~ ifiT is to obtain tlhe sub-surface geologi- ~ it mo ~ ~ 'T ~ sults obtained from the first deep ~T ff~; 'I;I"'\<: well, SOme more deep wells may have to be drilled, in this area. (If) ~ 'R f.t;wrr ~ Q:r.t ifiT Information in respect of lignite fa v-pmr ~ $ ~ w'ta'T the concern of the Ministry Of Steel, Mines and HeavY Engineering. "'"'lflrn ~ iJliT ~ ? Traftlc Drive in Delhi .q:tfi;rlnf ~ ~ ""f( 'I1i' ~ 117. Sbri P. C. Borooah: Will the 1Iif .. ~ : ('11) 'I;I"'\<: ~ q,f ~ 3 if Minister of Home AJfairs be pleased l1sfffi ' ; ',~ ~T ~ if ~ ~ ~ to state: mn~' ; ' :'; TrnifiT~~~ I (a) the number of persons prosecut- ;Mr ."f'qrff>:f 1lf;;r;rr 1f. W'f 'T ;;rf.f ;;fffi"QRf wtwr- in Delhi in 1963 and in January, 1964; (b) the total amount of fines re- ~ ~T 'f 'lwrr.rr.r ~ covered and the maximum amount of penalty imposed on anyone; and (If) l1rnr 'I;I"'\<: ~nT 'I>'T wm

(8) whether any progress has been (ii) Number of woman 1 Age-wise Or sm made in the drilling for oil and lignite prosecuted ~ wise records in Tiruchnapalli and adjacent district. (iii) Number of ChiId- are not main- td Madras State: and ren prosecuted t. ned by J Tratlic police. Written An.noers FEBRUARY 12, 1964

Indlaa IDstitute of TeclmolCllJ'. Madras

Hl:;· lilT ' l T ;r~ i~'ff: 'fllT 11.. f Shri p. K. Ghosh: ~,~ ~T ~'f ifofr lfil: ~ ""'" I.. Shri Narasimha Redd7: fS'fr 'f>nr f'f> : Will the Minister of Educatillll 1M pleased to state: ('f» '!r (a) whether an Institute of Techno- • ~'f m~: '.lI"h" logy has recently been set up i». Madras with West German cOllabora- ( lS) ~ ~, !IT o;rnmr fil;zi tpf tion;

-rllT ~ ~ ~ ~ it fitiwIT ~ (b) if so, the extent and nature of ~ collaboration; and

~ ' l ~ 1:ff1'Q:;r I'f"T ("'IT (c) 1lhe number and other detallil of German Professors in the Instt- ~'f' 'f>fl"{) : ('f» ~T, ~ I tute?

(lS) f~~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ The Deputy Minister In the MlaIII- ""'" ;;fran lim! (landed price), try of Education (Dr. M. M. Du): (a) ~, Sir . • ~'f r ri ~ 'Iil"o q-To (f.o.b.) ~,~n:T i m~ <:f'f> ~ T (b) The Government of Federal Repu'blic of Germany have agreed to ' fT~, 00, l'I"l!i: it itiT 1I"r.IT QTf.f give the following assistance in the ~ qr l'I"l';r"'l (i) Workshop and Laborator;r ~ ~ 1T.Tj '!I"r<:: f l'~ ' T ~ ~ equipment and Library Of value t I ~ .. '!I"i;: "SI"11'fur f~, W ~ iti 'IWn itiT iti ""'''(lIT serve at the Institute for a period fll"w ~ mzi ~~ ~ iti ~ iti of about 4-5 years. (iii) Five German Foremen for ~if c; ~ 90 f,~ :f'f m~l : m the workshops Of the Instiiut. t I ~m~m~'f T~lf~ for a period of not less than hr. fflflIfa (fl>lifT 'f>r ;ro;r;: 'f>r f l'r~ t) (iv) One German Adviser to 11m ~ fil;iJ orA 1I'r..- mmIf m the Government of India. iti '!I"!!l4 ~ 'f>r ~ ~ ~i;: 'f>I>l'fT (v) Facilities for the trainin& iti ;rr.r it g'l ~ ~ ff ~ Of 2() Indian teadhers in Germaa institutions. o;mnfur t I i\:l'!" ~~,i: it ~'f m ~;f 'l>C'Cf'fT ifT 51Rf ~ Ifr.t -t;..;rcrlf (c) At present 7 German Profu- IOrs are working at the Institute: ~fffi;rr l iti mem: 'n: ¥Il" 'f>r m'f>of ~'f r~~l ~~mf~ (1) Mechanical Engineering :I ;moT iti ' ~' l 'f it f~ 'i;:r i!lm (2) Physics ~~ i!," . (I) Hydraulics 1 29S Written AnstDet'. MAGHA 23, 1885 (SAKA) Written Answer, 296

(4) Electrical Engineerinc submitted to U.S. Government. '1'hIr question of giving final clearance at (5) Applied Mechanics the Government of India does not arise in thIs case. IadIaD lastitllte of Techaolol7, Madras Supply of Gas to utrall Power Hoase, GuJarat UO. 8hr.i P. IL Ghosh: Will thr Minister of Edllcatio. be pleased to 121. Shri ~ Naik: Will the 8tate: Minister of Petroleum ud Chemicalll be pleased to state: (a) whether the attention of the Government of India has been drawn (a) whether contract for layin, to a report in the U.S.I.5. News Bul- gas pipe-line for supply of gas to the letin and in some of the leading Utran Power House (Gujarat) hu papers that a Research grant of over been finalised; and one lakh of rupees has been granted tor the conduct Of Research in the (b) if so, when the work will start, Indian Institute of Technology. and when it will be completed? Madras; The MinIster of Petroleum ud (b) if so, the research for which Chemicals (Shrl Humayuu Kabir) : ihe grant has been awarded and (a) Yes, Sir. JlOW far the research has progressed. if already .tarted; and (b) The work on this line started on 2nd December, 1963 and is expected (c) whether .in making this grant to be completed in March, 1964. 111e U.s. Government has obtained clearance and approval of the Gov· Korba Fertilizer Factory 4!l'IUIlent of India? [Shri S. C. Samuta: 1=) ~ Sllbodh HaDSda: The DeP1lty M.balster ill the MIDIs· 1 Shrl N. R. Laskar: try of Edllmtioll (Dr. M. M. Das): l Shrl Maheswar 'Naik: (a) No, Sir. However, a proposal for research submitted by a former As- Will the Minister of Petrole1llll ... sistant Professor in the Indian Insti. Chemicals be pleased to state: tute of Technology, Madras involving a grant of Rs. 103,800 was approved (a) whether the plan and estimate by the National Bureau Of Standards of the Korba Fertilizer factory in of U.S.A. under a scheme, financed public sector have been prepared; from out of PL-480 rupee funds, for research projects of Indian nationals (b) whether the plant and machiD.- . working in universities and institu- eries will be fabricated in India; and tiOI18 in this country. The grant has (c) if not. from where they will be not been availed of as the Assistant purchased and the foreign exchange ProfellSor concerned is no longer requirement for the project? iR the lervice of the Institute. The Mialster of State in the MlDJa. (b), The proposal related to research try of Petroleum and Chemicm in "Higth Temperature Vapour Pres- (Shrl l ~ : (a) These have bee. surel of Refractory Materials". prepared and are under the scrutiny of the Fertilizer Corporation. (c) The proposal had been screen- ed by • Central Committee and Ie- (b) Fabrication of plant and eepted in principle before being machinery will be done withil\ the Written Answer. FEBRUARY 12, ~ Written Answers country to the maximum extent Tandi Therot Boacl feasible consistent with the facilitiel lWailable and the need to complete us. Shri Bem Raj: Will the Minia- the project within a reasonable time ter of Bome Affairs be pleased to lChedule. refer to the reply given to Unstarred Question No. 1888 on the 18th Decem- (c) Only a part of the machinery ber, 1963 and state: which cannot be fabricated within the country will be imported. The (,) whether any decision has heea country from which it will be import- taken on the proposal of the Punjab ed has not yet been decided. The Government for the construction of total foreign exchange cost of the the Tandi Therot Road; and project has been estimated at approxi- mately Rs. 13.00 crorel. .,-(b) It so, the nature thereof? Fertllber Factory In Goa The MiDister of State in the Mlnis- 123. Shri Nath Pal: Will the Minis- try of Bome Affairs (Sbrl Bajarnavis): ter of Petroleum and Chemicall be (a) and (b). The scheme fOr the pleased to state: improvement of the Tandi Therot Road in Lahaul District in Punjab (a) whether any licence has been involving a total outlay of Rs. 11.354- given for setting up a fertilizer fac- lakhs has been approved in January, tory in Goa; and 1964. (b) if so, when the factory is likely to go in for production? Political Sufterel'll in PuDjah

The Minister of State in the MiDis- 126. Shri Daljit Singh: Will the try of Petroleum and Chemicall (Shri Minister of Borne Affairs be pleased Alagesan): (a) and (b). The matter to state the total amount distributed is still under consideration. to the Political Sufferers of Punjab from 1st April, 1963 to the end of OroI' Processing Factories in I. & K. December, 1963? 124. Shri Sham Lal Saraf: Will the Minister of EducatiOn be pleased The Deputy Minister In the Minis- to refer to the reply given to Star- try of Borne Affairs (Shrimati red Question No. 653 on the 18th CbaDdraSekhar): Rs. 3,650. December, 1963 and state: Stud, of Astrology (a) whether the decision to take oyer the two Drug Processing Fac- 127. 8hri Tan Singh: Will the Minis- tories and some Drug Farms from the ter of Education be pleased to state: .1ammu and Kashmir State has been arrived at: and (a) whether Government have a (b) if so, the nature of the decision proposal for appointing a research taken? body for sc ',entific study of astrology. and The Deputy Minister in the Minls- try of Edueatlon (Dr. M. M. Das): (b) if so, the details thereof? (a) and (b). The Farms and Proces- ling factories have since been taken The lleputy MiDister In the ..... over by the Council of Scientific and try of Edueation (Dr. M. M. OBI): Industrial Research and will function (a) No, Sir. 1Jnder its Central Indian MediciDal Plants Organisation. 299 MAGHA 23, 1885 (SAKA) Statement by Membu 30 0 U Ius. December 1963 UIlder Clause (5) of Article 32() .of the Constitution. PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE [P!aced in Libra1'll. See No. LT-Z223! 63]. AJiNuAL REPoRT OF INDIAN OIL CoM- PANY AUDITED AcCOUNTS AND Gov- ERN:rv:ENT REvIEw !Z.O! Ius. The MInister or Petroleum and COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE ME... I- Chemicals (Shri Humayull Kabir): I BERS' BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS beg to lay on the Table a copy each of the following papers:-- TmRTY-SEcOND REPoRT Shri KrishDa.llloorthy 880 (i) Annual Report of the Indian (Shimoga): I beg to present the Oil Company Limited, Bombay '11hirty-second Report of the Com- for the year 1962-63, along mittee on Private Members' Bills and with the Audited . Account. Resolutions. and the comments of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon, under sub- ESTIMATES COMMITTEE section (1) of section 619A of the Companies Act, 1956; FORTY-SECOND REPoRT

(ii) Review by ~ Government Shri A. C. Guha (Barasat): I be, on the working of the above to present the Forty-second Report of Company. the Estimates Committee on the Minis- try of Finance (Department of Eco- [Placed in Library. See No. LT- nomic Afiairs)-Revision of the Form 2258/64]. and Contents Of the Demands for Grants (Exclusion of the Profit and SALAH JUNG MUSEUM (THIRD AMEND- Loss Accounts and Balance Sheets of MENT) RULES Public Undertakings from the Demands for Grants). The Deputy Minister in the Ministry Of Education (Shri Bhakt DlIrshan) : On behalf of Shri ~ f: C. Chagla, I beg 12.03 hrs. to lay on the Table a copy of the Salar STATEMENT BY MEMBER Ju."lg Museum (Third Amendment) Rules 1963 publishc,i in Notification Mr. Speaker: Maharani Gayatr, No. GSR 1962, dated the 28th Decem- Devi. ber 1963 under sub-section (3) of Shri S. M. Banerjee (Kanpur): section 27 of the l~ Jung Museum rise to a point of order on the state- Act, 1961. [P

The Depnty Minister in the MiJlIstIT "A member may, with the per- .f Home Mairs (Shrimati Chandra· mission of the Speaker, make a eekhar): On behalf of Shri Hajar- personal explanation although navis, I beg to re-Iay on the Table a there is no question before the copy Of tlhe Union Public Service House, but in this case no debat- Commission (Exemption trom Consul- able matter may be brought for- tation) Second Amendment Regula- ward, and no debate shall arise". tions, 1963, published 'in Notification If my contention is correct, she ill l~ No. G.s.R. 1888, dated the offering a perscmal explanation, OJ!' 301 Statement FEBRUARY 12, 1964 bll Membe.- 302 (Shri S. M. Banerjee] house, which any other Member might what? In regard to what Shri Indra- do. But when that house is referred to, jit Gupta said on the 19th November certainly Maharani Gayatri Devi 1963 while speaking on an adjourn- feels that her name or her husband's ment motion. He said this: name has been taken. I had consider- ed that, and therefore I allowed it. "Well, IIa far as my knowledge goes, I also do not believe that he Shrimatl Gayatri Devi (Jaipur): would bother to come here to sell While speaking on a motion of ad- £200 worth of cartridges. . . .It journment on the Walcott affair, Shri 19 mentioned in sections of the Indrajit Gupta said that he had read press--and I have not seen any in the press that the J aipur family had contradiction-that the noble entertained Mr. Walcott at shikar par- royal house of Jaipur was often ties, and they had used Mr. Walcott te entertaining Mr. Walcott for smuggle ammunition into India. Tro- shika.. expeditions.... ". is a very darnagin, and libellous state- ment, and I should make it absolutel,. Rule 357 gives a chance to an hon. clear that not one member of the Member, if something has been said J aipur family has ever met Mr. • ,ainst him Or her by another hon. Walcott. Therefore, the question of Kember which requires a personal our smuggling arms through him into ~l n i n, to do so. My hon. friend, India does not arise. Nor have we Shri Indrajit Gupta, said something ever indulged in the smuggling of against a particular house. He quoted ammunition into India. press statements and expressed sur- prise that it had not been contra- I would like to thank you for dicted. Naturally. he was constrain· allowing me to make this statemeD.t. ed to believe that whatever was given in the newspapers was correct. Shri S. M. Banerjee: The &tate- ment should have been contradicted. My point is that a statement can be made only on a point of personal Shrl IDdrajlt Gupta (Calcutta explanation. If a statement is to be South West): I seek your protection. allowed by you on this, then tomorrow There was no personal reference made there may be something said about in the statement. I made a reference tIhe Birla HOUSe and some Member "f to the press. this House may get up and say, 'j, represent Birla and I would like Shrl Tyagl (Debra Dun): Bet__ to make a personal explanation on the two, she is more reliable! behalf of Birla'. Nothing has been aaid against our respected Maharani Shrl IDdraJlt Gupta: It was not .. personally. What has been said is allegation made by me. against a particular house. She il 1IJlfortunately a member of that Mr. Speaker: That she has aaid. 1loIue. Shrl IDclrajit Gupta: just refer- All BOD. Member: Unfortunately? red to what appeared in a certaia sectioll of the press. Shrl S. M. Banerjee: Fortunately or unfortlUlately. My contention is that Shrl Namblar (Tiruchirapalli): It this should not be allowed. It will be wag for her to contradict. a bad precedent. Every house may have some representative in our House, Shrl IDdrajlt Gupta: I only want and it would be impossible to carry on. to say that, without standing on an,. technicality, . am personally quite Mr. Speaker: Maharani Gayatri Devi happy that at least afte-r three manta iii not a Member who represents an,. she haa contradicted it. Motion re: MAGHA 23, 1885 (SAKA) Communal DistUTb- 304 anees in East Pakistan and West Bengal Mr. Speaker: She gave me notice put that question, the hon. Ministel' very soon after that and she wanted gave me an assurance, and that has to make a statement. At one time I been conveyed to us, that he would did not find Shri Gupta here. Then collect the information before the the Maharani had to go away herself. debate begins. She wrote to me that she had to go back. Therefore, I have allowed her Sbri Nanda: The question of the now. Of course, delay is there. Deputy High Commissioner of Pak- Sbri Nambiar: In future also, will istan being allowed to move about this be allowed? freely, and our Deputy High ComnUJ;- sioner not having the same latitude Mr. Speaker: Order, order. there in East Pakistan, was raised. I have ascertained the facts. The Shri Nambtar: This is reference position is similar in both countries. made in the press. In Calcutta, the Deputy High Com- missioner of Pakistan certainly has Mr. Speaker: She has also said permISSIon to go about. Similarl,., that. She has exactly quoted that, our Deputy High Commissioner could llOthing further. move about in Daeca. That was reci- Shri Hem Barua (Gauhati): You procal. have not taken note of Shri Tyagi's Shri Rem Barua: No, Sir. :My contention! question is not replied to. I put this question, the Nehru-Liaquat All Pact stipulates that whenever there are U·.ImI. communal disturbances in one coun- try, the diplomatic representatives ~ MOTION RE: COMMUNAL DISTUR- the other country have a right to visit BANCES IN EAST PAKISTAN AND the riot-afl'ected areas, and I tullt WEST BENGAL wanted to know whether our diplo- Mr. Speaker: Further considera- matic personnel in Pakistan visited tion of the following motion moved by the riot-afl'ected areas in East PaIda- Shri Nanda on the 11th February, tan, or their representatives were 111M, namely:- allowed to visit the riot-afl'ected areu in West Bengal. "That the situation arising out of the communal disturbances in He has not given any speci1l.c replT. East Pakistan resulting in heavy loss of life and property of the Shrl Nanda: I shall state that pOSi- members of minority community tion also. We made a request that and their influx to India and con- our representatives be allowed to lequential disturbances in West move about in the riot-afl'ected area. .Bengal, be taken into considera- We were not permitted to do so . tion!' Shri Bari VJslmu Kamath (HoshaR- Would he like to open this debate? gabad): It is a dead-letter then? The MbUster 01 Rome Afta1rs (Sbrt lii'lUlda) : I do not regard it necessary Sbri Hem Barua: The other part to make a speech at this stage. I of my question is whether we allow- made a statement and I also laid on ed Pakistani diplomatic personnel to the Table of the House a longer state- move a bout the riot-affected areas Ia ment. West Bengal.

ShrI Rem Barua (Gauhati): On a Sbri Nanda: No, Sir; WI! also dl. ~in of order. YelterdB1', when I not allow that. Moticm re: FEBRUARY 12, 111M Communal DilmTbances 360 ita East Pakistan and Welt Bengal SIrri JIarI Vislmu ltamath: That 1I"ror ~ :' m: ~ ;ftm;;r .. not correct. ~ moq-,r€lfifi'f '1ft ~ :ffi Mr. Speaker: There are substitute ~ f<'fl1; ;;r~ lfl«'f motions also. Are they moved? ~ ""

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(c) rehabilitate about Ii million refugees who had earlier come over from East Pakis- f.t; 1J:<'I" lmrT'l' ~ ~r r n:~ tan, thereby making them a flmIo "WT ijJ"flf :- prey to frustration and dis- content; fil:~ m: ~ it W ~ ;if (4) curb reactiona1'7 commUDBl m ~ ''I"<''Hil94

{e) ensure timely and effective Shri Tridib KlIlIIar Chaudhurt protection by the . West (Berhampur): I beg to move: Bengal State administration of lives and property of the That fOr the original motion, the Muslim minority in Calcutta folloWing be substituted, namely:- and other places, thus neces- sitating deployment of the "This House, having considered army there." (3) the situation arising out of the communal disturbances in East Shrimatl Renuka Ray (MaIda) : Pakistan resulting in heavy loss beg to move: of life and property of the mem- bers of minority community and Thllt for the original motion, the fol- their influx to India and conse- lowing be substituted, namely:- quential disturbances in W.est Bengal, is of opinion that the "This House, having consider- Prime Ministers' Agreement of ed the situation arising out of the 1950 between India and Pakistan communal disturbances in East (the Nehru-Liaquat Ali Agree- Pakistan resulting in heavy loss ment) has failed to secure the of life and property of the mem- protection of the democratic and bers of minority community and human rights of minorities in their influx to India and con- East Pakistan and that recent sequential disturbances in West developments in East Pakistan Bengal, is of opinion that an abid- since the late communal distur- ing solution has to be found to bances have proved that the life, the problem of the East Bengal property and honour of the mino- minority so that communal har- rities haVe become absolutely in- mony be effectively maintained secure there and therefore the in India and all citizens enjoy Government should take up the the equal rights guaranteed to question of the planned migra- them in our secular State. With tion of those members of the this end in view, the following minority community who want to steps be taken:- come away and take refuge in India with the Government of (a) The restrictions on the mig- Pakistan through the good offices ration of the East Bengal of the U.N.O. and Its Security Hindu minority be lifted. Council." (5)

(b) Initiative in rehabilitation Shri Brij Raj Singh (Bareilly): Sir, should be encouraged SO far I beg to move: as possible and new proce- dures and policies be adopted That for the original motion, the to cope with the problem of following be substituted, namely:- rehabilitation. "This House, having considered (c) The problem of the East the situation arising out of the Bengal minority be taken to communal disturbances in East the U.N. and world attention Pakistan resulting in heavy 10811 focussed on it to find a soIu- of life and property Of the mem- tien." (4) bers of minority community and Motio,," re: FEBRUARY 12, 19114 Commu.naZ Disturbl1f1cel 3 ~ il& El1It Pl1kistl1f1 cmd West Benga.l IShri Brij Raj Singh] their influx to India and conse- Now, about the time-liMit-for or- quential disturbances in West dinary speeches fifteen minutes -and Bengal, is of opinion that the for leaders Of groups or the first Government of India has utterly spokesman 25 minutes. Will that be failed to- enough?

(a) take effective steps to fulfil Some Boa. Members: 30 minutes. the solemn assurances given to the minority in East Pak- istan at the time of Paki&- Mr. Speaker: I have no objection taB. that the life, property and but there will be fewer Members whe honour of Hindus left there could speak . . . le (.1 Muslim; it was the doing of a Hindu everything. From i ~ m to Laos, and therefore, things are going to be to the East African countries and done against the Hindus in Pakistan. Cyprus, they are carrying on their But this was not highlighted by our ' n~ ir r~ r 1hey could own people. Ou.r representatives inter- somehow or other uhnde and perpe- nationally and nationally did nothing tuate their dominaticn, they wouid j;k e at all about it. For days and days, re- to do so. They r,~ m·nt ~r l ports appeared In the papers that in and unscrupulous people who ~m l East Pakistan things were very bali these methods. Thev get Pakistan to and in our country nothing was being do this dirty job, '~ 'use in Pakistan said about that. No diplomatic or any their agents are refu3ing to ~ i f the other kind of step was tak .. n. demands 01 the Pa1dstar.i people for a Therefore, some pe'ople went berserk. -democratic set-up, which is voiced par- I do not justify that at all. No pro- ticularly in East BE'ngal. Pak,.tan lS vocation on earth can justify the kind ci'oing this job in ord('r to hlacken Ihe of thing which took place in this coun- fair name of India. Pakistan was do- try to a certain extent. But eVen 10, ing this when thE' Hazratba I incident what was the Government doing? The took place. Pakishn tries not only to Government failed altogether. On 9th blacken us before the western coun- January, in Calcutta the situation got tries, where We do not need any more bad. On the 10th, it was worse. On blackening-our freed'om is sumething the 11th and the whole day of 12th, to which Britain will llever be recon- the situation was bad. From the 9th ciled-but they want t.o hlack('n o"r to the 12th, till Shri Nanda arrived, face also as far as ,he Afro-Asian Calcutta was a euphemism for hell. countries are concerned. What are we This happened because the apparatu. doing? What was our Government do- failed. The Chief Minister, p'ossibly, ing? as a person, tried to do What he could. After the Hazratbal incident, when But, of course, the apparatus had fail- the Khulna and J ess'ore h1cideJlts took ed, and this apparatus failed because place in East Pakistan, what was our We did not know what to do about it. Government doing? Now they are talking of provocations, repercussions and that sort of thing. Internationally We have seen so many things whlell. we failed to present \lur case. We took place-I am not going into any have said it ever so eften in this House detail over it; it is not necessary nor in regard to the failure of the Indian is it desirable. But, unless there w .. propaganda even in n ~i which connivance at a very high le\'el certai. are supposed to be !l'iendly to us ake things could not nave taken place. The the United Kingdom. Their r ~ n Home Minister himself has seea _1111. tatives come and hobnob with even a his own eyes what I have also seeD. very sick Prime Minister and waste hi. There was a certain kind of uniformity time. Even in those fricndiy countries, in the pattern of ,demolition and des- India's position in regard to Pakistan truction which took place in Calcutta. is never appreciated. Our propalanda It could not have taken place without internationally always faila_ connivance at the highest quarterw. 315 Motion reo MAGHA 23, 1885 (SAKA) Communal Disturb- 316 Clnces in East Pakistan and West Bengal There was the supply of petrol, sup- in Pakistan. Even now, unlike somp. ply of trucks, supply of fire balls, and people who are asking for exchange their ,appearance at pre-mediated of population, which is a dasmrdly points of time and in certain places. proposition,-we do not do gO--we How could they take place? Things want our people to stay in Pakistan took place right under the nose of if that is possible, Whoever wants police stations. I know of a college to leave hIS OWn home? The riverine hostel which was vacated and the country in East Bengal is so beauti- key was given to a police offici-a: of ful that one gets SO deeply devoted to that area. But that hostel was looted ones homeland. One does not leave altogether and the theses of students it just for the fun of it. But if they who were preparing for a Degree cannot stay there because of the have been destroyed. All that kind cruelties of the present rulers of Pakis_ of thing took place. I am not going tan, they must know that they have into any demil over it. How could a home across the border. Therefore, these things take place unless there this kind of amplification of the faci- was connivance in certain quarters? lities regarding migration SO that they are adequate to the needs of the In regard to that I will have to situation has to be done. That has refer to certain matters which do not to be done not by a few bureaucratic redound to the credit of our country. changes here and there; changes In That is Why I feel that after all certain items which would be operated by things took place in a certain sequ- the bureaucracy there. It is not by "nce of things which are extremely that means that we are going to solve dubious and this is a very good case, the question of migration. if we wish to press it, for a judicial .. nquiry to be directed from the Centre And, those who are coming and in regard to how the collapse of those who h'ave come here before are administration took place for a few called refugees. They are not refu- days in Calcutta and different parts gees. Thev have to have a home to of West Bengal. be provid';d. Why do We still con- sider them to be refugees. This also In any case, our job .js to repair is a home. This is not a substitute the damage, wipe the tears of people for home. This is a country which who have suffered whether they are should be home for them. It is about 'Hindus or Muslims. and see. as tar time that the Government realises as possible, this kind of thing does it. We are paying for the original sin not occur again. In order to see that of partition, the sin which we had this kind of thing does not occur all committed in 1947. But let us try again and in order at least to repair to modify the effects of that sin, as the damage for the present, we have much as that is possible. We have to expand the migration facilities. I given this assurance to these peop;e 1lishers House-all these papers competed had been burnt down and destroyed with each other in saying and do- costing many hundreds or thousands ing things which were utterly wrong of rupees at' a time when books were and utterly mischievous. wanted becaUse in the months of January-February the school session Shri N. R. Ghosh (Jalpaiguri): No. begins-all because of certain people having gone to that area and done it. Shri H. N. Mukerjee: Jugantar. for instance, wrote editorials. 1 have Then again there are SO many got a sheaf of all these things. I interests involved. The Congress can send them on to him, Shrl papers had also mentioned it and the Nanda. I have no time to refer to Ordinance of the West Bengal Govern- those things. 1 can send them on to ment also substantiated it. The basti him .... (Interruption) Jugantar wrote owners perhaps wanted to have a over and over again .... finger in the pie and wanted to bring about destruction of these i ~ Shri Atulya Ghosh (Asansol) : He where the Muslims were living so that was euloglsmg the Home Minister. they could fish in troubled waters, (Interruption) If it is a fact that these could capitalise on that ruin and newspapers fomen.ted the communal could make more money by building riots, why did the Home Minister not some other kind oT structure which take action agoainst the newspapp.rs? would bring a greater amount of rent. (Interruption) . There was a combinatiOn of the most dastardly elements of our people, the Shrimati Renu Cbakravartty (Bar- self-"eeking basti-owner, the hoodlums rackpore): Why don't you ask him? and toughs who are found in every big citv. the political goondas who Sbri H. N. Mukerjee: We are very also flourish in certain environment humble people. We have not got and the communally-minded people power like my friend Atulya Babu who have infiltrated into the political has got. The only way in wh:ch we and administrativp. sections of our <."8n bring our grievance before the life in the country, in the Congress country is to speak in Parliament. Party as well as-l am ashamed to say That is what we are trying to do. In -elsewhere. This is what happened Bengal also we have tried to draw and this k;nd of a temper for the time the attention of the West Bengal being upset everybody. A policy of Chief Minister. Mr. Gupta and I one retaliation was even suggested by day went in particular with a sheaf serious people. of papers to him and he appeared to Motion re: MAGHA 23, 1885 (SAKA) Communal Disturb- 324 anceg in East Pakistan and West Bengal agree with our formulations in re- if character is no longer there how gard to the mischievous and objection- are we going to correct everything, to able nature of the comments made m . rectify the poSition? They have poured those papers. A paper like Jugantar pOison on the very idea of the Central says that Government is supine; Government's intervention in the Government does not do anything Bengal situation. It was the most with regard to Pakistan. The people important in~ that lhe Central certainly will have to take things Government did' intervene. Without into their own hands. What is the Central Government's intervention Idea; what is the goame; what is the we could not save ourselves nor could innuendo as we hear so often during we remind ourse:ves of the integrated the Question Hour? Ananda Bazar unity of our own country. Patrika says over and over again, "The Muslim minority here has Then again, Mr. n ~ when he suffered." Oh! They want Akasher went to Calcutta, with ~ best of in- Chand. They want the Government to tentions set up a number of peace pluck the moon from the sky and committees and he expressed a hope, give it to them. Ananda Bazar also very rightly, that there should be a asked fOr the exchange Of population sustained campaign so that reconcilia- with India and Pakistan. For a tion takes place. In spite of M.r. Congress paper to ask for the ex- Nanda's sincerity, the results have not change of population is something been so good because of bureaucratic against which this House and the ways and all these peace mmi ~ country must take the stand or we go are being subverted by some other down the drain for ever and ever. kind of bureaucratic set up being put We are not going to accept this kind up with, more or less, police bases to of thing. Basu11UJ.ti which is purely which only those who are in the good Congress owned, according to reports books of pollce can come in the pic- ---God knows what the truth is: ture, which means nearly nothing sub- Jesting Pilate ,asked what the truth stantial or seriolllS would ever be was and never would stay for an done in regard to the problems of answer whereas I have got the report reconciliation. But I know t.hat we saying 'that one Union Minister is do not depend on the bureaucratic said to own partly the Basumati- apparatus for solution of our pro- wrote about the Government being blems and it is a grand thing that on slovenly, the Government being cow- either side of tbeborder people have ardly and, therefore, the people had given their lives to save members of got to do something. And they go each other's community. In Seram- on writing like this. pore, Mishri MandaI gave his life; in Dacca, Amir Hussain Chaudhuri died "The statement of Shri Nanda m in order to save the members of the Calcutta creates tremendous discontent other community, in the suburbs of in West Bengal"-this is after Mr. Calcutta. Shri Satish Das Gupta, Nanda and his other two colleagues Gandhiji's veteran disciple, was in- visited Calcutta-that "if the Govern- jured trying to saVe the Muslims of ment's mentality remains unchanged, his locality and in Khulna also Habi· then there should be a very powerful bul Rehman and so many others were movement". This is what the Basu- injured. On both sides of the border. mati writes-Special Staff Reporter these examples testify to human dig- writes this kind of a thing under nity, to the gpirit that is inside all of banner headlines. Why should these us and that is exactly where we pin kinds of things go on taking place? our hopes. They nave taken place. We have to stop it. U the light that is in Thee in Mr. Speaker: The Hon. Member'S darkness, how deep is that darkness? time is up. He has already taken 34 If we ourselves have gone down, minutes. Motion re: FEBRUARY 12, 1964 CommunaL DistuTbances326 in East Pakistan and West Bengal Shri H. N. Mukerjee: I am the only pair of the damage whiah has taken speake,r from my group. place. We depend upOn the initiative of the people in East Bengai \\" ho are Shri Atulya Ghosh: He has severa: very much against the Ayub dictator- times referred to the Congress papers ship and they can overthrow thnt (I nterTuptions) . when they get the real opportunlty.

Mr. Speaker: Order, order. As I was saying, there is the inst- ance of Ramesh Chandra Sheel-he Shri Atulya Ghosh: He has all is a poet, a wandering bard who along heen abusing the Congress .... writes poems impromptu-who is be- (InteTruptions) . ing given a receptiOn in Chittagong towards the end of February. That is a kind of thing that warms our hea,rts. Shri Indrajit Gupta (Calcutta During the riot days in Calcutta it- South West): Why did he not open self, a music conference was being his mouth for so long? held where Nazakat Ali and An Hon. Member: Because it is Saj:!aqat Ali were .:iv:ng songs and Vilayat Hussain Khan was being allOWed just now. glvmg sitar recital. Nobody could imagine that the riot was taking Shri Inllrajit Gnpta: Outside. place. After all, the real basis is to be found in those grand things, the Mr. Speaker: I am not concerned spirit, where we are all together. In with what happens outside. I am con- Bengal-I hail from Bengal which is cerned with what happens here. Every a part of the larger India-our culture Member must be responsible for the is made up of composite elements of statement he makes. He ought to which we are so proud, Alaol and verify and ascertain himself that what Bharat Chandra, Tngore and Nazrul he is saying here must be true ac- Islam and so many others-I need not cording to his convictions and to his give their names. As far as the whole belief. Secondly, if he makes " state- of India is concerned, I haVe been ment on his own responsibility and reading recently how in our history, he takes the responsibility about its kings, and ministers are never re- being true, then certainly it can only membered but our saints are remem- be rehutted by contrary statement.s bered men like Guru Nanak and from the other side. That is the only r~ They do not belong to Hindus remedy. Otherwise, there is none ... or Muslims; they belong to humanity. (Interruptions) . Kabir who founded the Bharat Panth has said: Shri S. M. Banerjee (Kanpur): Be- caUSe he does not attend. m ~'f ~ T~ 'f mv f '~ ~r f~ ;f ~ Ti1' 'Tor :J;'f;\{ I Mr. Speaker: He does not attend and the hon. Member must interrupt. We cannot fight in between Hindus Shri H. N. Mukerjee: Do not know why Atujlya Hahu gets provoked. I and Muslims. am only trying to put certain things I remember, when I was young. my which I know for a fact. They are mother would send us to Dargah in backed by all these papers. I can the heart of Calcutta. As children at send them on to him. I have got these that time, we would go, and wor- papers with me which I am ready to shipers in Maula Ali's Dargah in the send to the Home Minister. I am only heart of Calcutta would bless the saying, we do not depend merely on children so that they would grow tt.e bureaucratic pr(J.,es5"s ia the re- sound in l-ealth. Motion ~: MAGHA 23, 1885 (SAKA) Communal Disturb- 328 ances in East Pakistan and West Bengal Mr. Speaker: Shall we continue to tion, to examine its own position, to do that even now? enquire into why lJIlCh a situation took place where in West Bengal every- Shri H. N. Mukerjee: Actually, thing went down the drain, Illnd then what happened was that this Dargah to take measures regarding migration was sought to be damaged, and I had certificates, regarding relief and to approach the authorities in order rehabilitation provisions and regard- to see that the Dargah was reopened. ing a better Bnd sustained campaign for improving the relations between Mr. Speaker: Now, the hon. Mem- Hindus and Muslims of either ber should conclude. country and also, in ro far as that is possible, between India and Shri B. N. Mukerjee: am con_. Pakistan. ·eluding. I have in my amendment given specific ways in which Govern- Shri Surendranath Dwivedy (Ken- ment could have behaved in order to drapara): If my hon. friend Silri H. N. rectify the position. But I do wish Muhkerjee had left the communist to make a last appeal to Government, politics for a moment, he would have which is this, that our country has certainly not drawn a parallel between experienced a very bad time, and our the incidents that happened in Pakistan country has been maligned before the and those that happened in India. whole world and We know we have a very good case, and Pakistan has becaUSe there was really no parallel. What is happening today in P i~ n nothing to compare, as far as our case is really a cool calculated move and is concerned but we have not only to put up that case before the world, a settled policy of a Government, of but we also have to put our own a ruling clique whiCh wants to exter- house in order. And that is why the minate minorities and which wants to task of national integration which challenge the very democratic and was taken up onCe and then given up secular character of this country by because the Chinese incursion made it posing problems which are now unnecessary at that time, has got to characterised as if they are minority be taken up over again. The Prime problems. If Shri H. N. Mukerjee had Minister is ~ here because he is not taken the trouble to read the com- well, and he is sick. I sometimes feel ments of the Soviet press,-of course, that our country is sick, and our the Chinese press has ~ nothing Prime Minister Shri Jawaharlal about it-he would have been con- Nehru is sick, with the sick- vinced that in India, whenever this ness of our India. but he will be question has arisen, not only the better. and he will get well, and Indian people ,but the nation as. a the whole country will get well if we whole has reacted in a manner whlch sit down together, those who really is praiseworthy. That has been the want a secular democratic country reaction of the Soviet press. But he and a socialist economy, and find out has completely forgotten that aspect ways and means of achieving our ob- of the question. jective. If WI' eto that, then all that is sought tn h" done by Pakistan and The matter is too serious. We are their helper. abroad and their unwil- here meeting not as parties but. as ling helpers in this country, all that representatives of people, as Indlan they are trying to do. WOUld. just ~ patriots who have given this assurance moved out of the picture lIke mIst to our brethren, wherever they may goes when sunshine appears on the live now, that we stand by them, and borizon. we haVe to h.onour that pledge, ~n must assure them of securIt.y, That j, w1--v in that PC;'spective I ;~ and honour. That is the pro- want P ~ n to look at the situa- blem before us. I was thankful to Motion re: FEBRUARY 12, 1964 Communal Disturbances 330 in East Pakistan and West Bengal [Shri Surendranath Dwivedy] what has . happened to that Pact? Does you, Mr. Speaker, when you, Sir, it exist now? It has died a natural adjourning all other proceedings of death. Therefore, scrap it. Declare it the House, gave precedenee to this in Parliament that the Pact does not matter. It is not a matter to be exist at all. There is no question of decided 'by mere walk-outs. It is a that Pact being there now. And how question whOSe answer has to be given can we approach a country or a Gov- hy this Parliament today to the world ernment which does not wa:nt to honour and to the nation. What are We going any canons, any rules or any obli- to do? How are we going to solve this gations, or any treaties or any agree- problem? That is not merely a matter ments whatsoever? Therefore, it is a of giving a long statement and con- political question. cluding, as Shri Nanda has done by saying: ' If the House takes ,the trouble to analyse the situation as it has arisen, "Meanwhile, pressure would be it will came to the inevitable con- maintained on the Pakistan Gov- clusion that this is a deeper political ernment to see reason and to conspiracy, and nothing more and foHow internationally recognised nothing else. One shOUld take note canons of behaviour in respect of of how this has started. . the duty towards the minorities." In this House, We have several times I say that this is a ridiculous lItate- raised the question of Pakistan's spy- ment. That is the least that can be ring functioning in this country. We said about it. Do you still believe have raised this question repeatedly, that Pakistan is prepared to conform that there has been infiltration of to any recognised international be- Muslims .jnto India in the borders of haviour? Do you stilI believe that it Assam, Aripura and Cooch-Bihar. But remains a question of minorities what has Government done? We have simply? It is not so. also to look at the connection I take note Of what 8hri Nanda has between Pakistan and China. China done as the Home Minister when the by concluding a pact with Pakistan incidents took a serious turn in Cal- has tried to show to the international cutta. But I must say that Shri Nanda world that China wants a settlement has completely failed to realise the with India, and she ·has stayed behind seriousness of the situation and go into or withdrawn from some areas and yet the root of the problem as such. The occupied some areas, and China is tardy and timid manner in which this instigating Pakistan actualIy, because Government has approached the entire they are both in league. Indo-Pakistan relations and also the This has started in m-der to create question of minorities and refugees troubles in the Indian terri tory so tM t leaveg no doubt in my mind that we our national defence is upset and we are pursuing a policy which is not are put in a very ·weak ,position. It is straightforward, and whiCh is not a political lIbruggle. Therefore. I want rerJistic. And we Me out for more this Govenmten.t to realise this aspect troubles in this country unless we find Of the question. out a permanent solution. What is that solution? That is the main question. I have facts before me to prove that all that has happened is largely odue It is a national problem or a political problem, acoording to me; it does not to the activities of Pakistan agents remain a minority problem, or a pro- and also due to the negligence and blem of your making a little appeal to indifference. the Home Minieter of Pakistan and Dr. M. s. Alley (Nagpur): And President Ayub Khan '.rust permit us apa.thy. to go and ~ What i; happening.'; al- Sbri 8ureDdIaaat.h Dwivedy:. . and though that is provided for in the apathy or timidity of the Government Nehru-Liaquat Pat't itself, actually who have failed to handle the situa- 33 1 Motion re: MAGHA 23, 1885 (SAKA) Communal DistUTb- 332 ances in East Pakista1. and '~'~ n~,,' tion properly. So, let 116 consider this Shr; Surendranath Dwivedy: The question from that point of view. Chief Minister of West Bengal stayed III Bhubanegwar at the time when the When I say this, I also want to pay people's emotions were worked up. a tribute to my own countrymen. My hon. frien1 Shri H. N. Mukerjee An hon. Member: He rushed back. should have mentioned it; it has been proved beyond doubt that even in Shr; TYagi: These eruptions came Kashmir which is said to 'be the pro- afterwards. vocating factOr for Pakistan to organise this communal hciocaust Shri Surendranath Dwivedy: Shri there alI the minorities, and Hindus Tyagi can have his say later. But he and Muslims acted like one man, and cannot deny these facts. there was no question of any com- munal trouble there. Every little Shr; Hanumanthaiya (Bangalore mi.nority in Kashmir had tull security City): May I appeal to the hon. and safety there. Member..

13.00 hnI. Shr; Surendranath DWivedy: When thOse disturbances were going on and there was a likelihOOd that Pakistan I have a feel:ing-I visited Calcutta agen ts were ligely to take advantage four times during these riots; I went of the situation. to the affected and diSICussed with people-I have a feeling of praise for Shri Hanumanthaiya: We are all the citizens of Calcutta. I praise the one with the hon. Member in the citizens of Calcutta and of the whole matter of feeling for the people con- of India for the way 1fuey have reacted cerned. This is a non-party question. to this problem. Let him approach the issue in that spirit and not attack the Congress I do not want to go into the dates. Party and the Government. I would But 1 want a reply from the Hom, appeal to him to treat it as a non- Minister as to what they were doing. party issue. First incidents happened in Khulna and Jessore. Very disturbing inci- Shr; Surendranath Dwivedy: That is dents happened there. News perco- the trouble with my hon. friend and lated to the other side Of the border. other members of the Congress Party. It was very natural. People came te They always feel as if the Government Sealdah. 'l'JJey wanted to have new o and the party are the same. What about their tamiUe,s etc. But you was the Governmeot doing? I am teargassed the people. Still, till the asking the Government. Is the hon. 6th January there was no incide'lt Member responsible for the West whatsover. Yet, 1 want to koow what Bengal Government here? did they do? There was, I must say, a complete paralysis of the West When incideots after incidents Bengal Government. When the ~i, what dict they do? The Chief people's emotions were worked up. Minister of West Bengal-here I acc- what did the Government do? Were use him-made a statement in Bhu- any precautionary measures taken l.n baneswar which gave the people of the area to see that these things did Bengal a feeling-because they were not happen, that there would be no not getting the factual information of disturbance? On '!he other hand, they what was happening in Pakistan-that sent their police to Bhubaneswar to prooobly the atrocities in Paki.tan protect the Coner- dilgnitaries! were very serious. Then suddenly he rushed back. Because the Govern- Shrl TY8Ii (Debra Dun): No, no. ment itsell! had not been prepared :333 Motion re: FEBRUARY 12, 1964 Communal Disturbances 334 in East Pakistan and West Bengal [Shri Surendranath Dwivedy] Muslim shopkeepers were asked to for this thing before, they were in a effect riot insurance for their shoJ)6 very difficult position. According to because very serious things were anti- Nanda, it was not a cOIIImlunal cipated? This was done very Cleverly trouble--what happened in Calcutta and calculatedly. I charge the Deputy and near about areas. It is Nanda's High Commissioner of Pakistam for own admission, although he does not what he has done. He bas instigated fully reaHse it. He says: this, because it was foUlld tha t j u < after these iJnoirjents .happened, he "In the city of Calcutta, the went to those places and took micro- trouble was not wholly communal; filins, tape-recordings and all sorts ' there the greater part of the things for international propaganda. disturbances was caused by hooli- They were aJIJ,ticipating this question gans.. coming up before the Security Coun- Mr. Speaker: When Members refer cil. That was how this was all ·to any other Member or Minister, they arranged previously. should show some courtesy. 8hri Indrajit Gupta is here. He will Shri SurendTanath Dwivedy: I do corroborate me or contradict me. Is not recollect how I referred to him. it not a fact that when Nanda held I did not mean anything. a conference. . Mr. Speaker: I know. Mr. Speaker: Ordinarily, when such a reference is made the word 'hon.' is Mr. Surendranath Dwivedy: I hold used. him in high respect. He bas actmit\.('d that 'trouble was not wholly com- Shri Surendranath Dwivedy: I am munal; there, the greater part of the sorry. Is it not a fact that when the disturbances was caused by hooligans hon. Minister held a conference of who were in a sense neither Hindus other persons or political parties in nOr Muslims but just trouble-makers Calcutta and appealed to them to trying to take advantage of the situa- maintain peace, the President of the tion' Who are these people?-I INTUC, Shrimati Maitrey Bose, said want to know. Is it not a fact-I that ' we can ensure perfect harmony want to ask him-that they had come and unity and peace in Calcutta pro- aCTOSsin Calcutta fire-rurms which are vided Mr. Incirajit Gupta helps Us in also Chinege-make? Is it not a fact the dock area' where it seems the that t,he Pakistan agents were active followers of the Communi.t PBII"ty- in the entire area before the trouble I do not know if it is the Communist actually took a serious tUl'TI? The Party or the AITUC-and Pakistan Pakistan Deputy High Commissioner nationals were creating trouble? sees to it that !he visits every singl, locality ot Muslims in Calcutta. These are all factors. I was think- ing that when the statement was Shri Tyagi: Before the disturbances? made, the Govermnent would give us a clear indication of the forces that Shri Surendranath Dwivedy: Yes. have worked behind all these troubles. But that is completely 3Jbsent. There- Shri Tyagi: Significant. tore all that you do today will also Shri Surelldranath Dwivedy: A tail 'to enthuse 'the people. What the whispering calIlpaign went on before people want from us today is an assurance ot security of their honour the nth Januarv in all the labour areas of ~ The Muslims and life in Pakistan. labourers were told that after the What has happened in Pakistan? I 11 th . very seriOUs incident<: v'ere would ju&t make a reference-l do going to hapnon. Is it nvt a ~ that 335 Motion re: MAGHA 23, 1885 (SAKA) Communal DistuTb- 336 ances in East Pakistan and West Bengal not want to go into the details. The nurses who were workillg at hon. Minister gave a certain account.· Dacca Medical College Hospital But I will, felr the benefit of the House, were swirled into controversy read only a portion of a despatch of a over violence". foreign correspondent, a copy of whiCh I thiillik our party Members in AgaiJn he says: Calcutta presented to the han. Minis- ter, Shri Nanda. Based On Reuters "Mter a few hoW'S, Pak autho- news, the han. Minister said that the rities decided they wanted no figure of deaths was lOOO. But outsiders around; they claimed actually speaking, there have been that ,becaUSle of curfew girls would thousands of deaths and thousands of have to go home. Pak authorities people have been rendered homeless. saw to it ~ American nurses Therefore, if you do not give factual were escorter.I out of booy Hospital information, if you do not get it, I by armed troops. Other foreign would make this request to Govern- doctors quickly volunteered ment. As is done in other countries, services to handle what one senior We should invite the International Red Pakistan doctor told us privately Cross or some such organisation aOO were 'butchered bodies'." get fue factual information so that there may oot be 9Uch misinformed Then he has referred to Rayerbazar cr1ticism or reasons for instigation of area etc. near Dacca. I will not go the same type of reaction here. into it. But, nine districts were seriously affected, and about 116 villages around Dacca and Narayan- This correspondent, who has sent ganj have been da.maged and almost this particular despatch, starts with destroyed. this paragraph-I will not read the whole of it- Here, it has been said:

"Local press was ordered to "If this story were toid fully. print nothing on the wave of reli- it would go on and on. . There gious violence. Foreign corres- were hundreds upon hundreds pondents found their copy was killed in most atrocious manner. not getting out. And even Ame- But life means relatively little rican diplomats pretended to know little about worst religious here." strife in PakistaL ,ince 1950. Then, about Narayangani. I will When pressed for facts of massa- read out only a few sentences: cre, American diplomats lectured newsman on their responsibili- "So touchy is- Pak Government ties". about relief camps that we were stopped from photographing them He goes on to say: and turned out several. Ameri- can and British officials have seen "Dacca is in a state of shock to it that food and supplies and shame thi- week". Quickly get to camps. But because this fact would indicate Further: depth of misery and numbers or homeless, Paks demanded that "Priest was trying to help this be kept quiet." afflicted families. He came to East Pakistan t;fleen months ago Then again: and was studying Islamic history "A Westenl '!.:. : ~ ,l; ~ ~l l n with at Dacca Un!ivE!<3ity. Not even his vear... of experience in the body is ex:pectee to be found ~ n n n . . happene-J to be now. Two American peace corps Motion re: FEBRUARY 12, 1964 Communal Disturbances 338 in East Pakistan and West Bengal [Shri Surendranath Dwivedyl I would ask the Government to in Narayanganj on ~ Of VlO consider another thing on the basis lence. He told us this week: of what they have said so far. I base my reasoning on the assurances that 'As we neared NarayangallJ we have given. The time has come Tuesday by car I saw people laid When we should really think seriously out on sities of rOad either dead as to what other means we can adopt or inj ured. A little further along, to assure security and safety to the I saw hundreds of people runb.ing. minority in Pakistan. It is an assur- At first I thought it was some ance given by the Prime Minister kind "Of festival or competition, himself. On 23rd February, 1950, while Then I realized these were people speaking in this House, the Prime fleeing in terror'." Minister said:

This is a very grim account of what "Major tragedy that is happen- is going in Pakistan today. It is a ing in East Bengal .. 6 If the fact also that the Pakistan Govern- methods we have suggested are ment itself has notified that the waters not agreed to, it may be that we of the rivers Sitalakhya and Buriganga shall have to adopt other met- near Dacca and Narayanganj should hods." not be used by people because they have been polluted by the floating Sixteen years have passed after the dead bodies of minorities. This is Nehru-Liaqat Ali Pact was signed, what is going on in Pakistan, and but even for once the Pakistan Gov- how can any Indian with any sense ernment did not agree to sit along of honour remain silent, be a silent with the Government of India to dis- spectator of all that is happening to- cuss any matter whatsoever. day? I ba'se my argument on the above Therefore, what 1 would like this assurance. Let us seriously consider Government to realise is this. I would what other methods are needed now to again stress that this is not a ques- give protection to the minority in tion of minorities this time. This is Pakistan. This country or the mino- a really calculated move in the serrse rity in Pakistan would not feel as- that if you take proper notice of what sured because you go to Calcutta with is happening, you will find that this a batch of Ministers Again, you will is a deliberate move to kill women interrupt me because I have used and children and abduct them. Be- "you", but I mean the hon. Minister cause, who are the minorities left now Nanda. He went to Calcutta with a in Pakistan? All the middle-class fleet of Ministers, and what have they men and propertied class have left. announced? Nandaji said, "We shall All those that are left there are the eaSe the migration rules". Shri Krish_ Namasudras and people who have very namachari objected grying "liberalis- small means of livelihood like agr:cul- ing is not the word, it should be eas- turists. They can never be communal, ed", t hey can never be against the Pakis- tan Government as such, but Pakistan What has been the reaction to this wants to exterminate them, and there- of even the British press? After fore, they have adapted thilsneW'poticy. this declaration of the Government They have not attacked them, but they of India, even the British correspon- have attacked their property, especial- dent has said: Iv their women and children. This is what is happening in Pakistan, and conditions for granting our answer should not be merely to migration certificate on compas- invoke international opinion to Bee sionate groundli would have to be that this does not happen. eased for Hindus who wanted to 339 Motion re: MAGHA 23, 1885 (SAKA) Communal Disturb- 340 ., llnee. in East Pakistan lind West Bengal come to India because they were I do not know whether Shri Mehr living in conditions of ~ r m Chand Khanna is here. peril and insecurity . .. It seems doubtful if this modest declaration of help will satisfy Bengali opi- All bOD. Member: He is here. nion this side of the border." Shri Surendranath Dwivedy: He What is the problem? The problem adds: is that we must create conditions in this country and give a solemn assu- rance to thOSe who want to come to "The refugees were taken on as this country that they are our pro- an unwanted load by the Indian blem, that we shall provide them pro- Government." perty, that we shall rehabilitate them immediately. AJoso I would like this Government to ~ a declaration They have to make this position clear. that in regard to the properties which Because the West Bengal Govern- they leave behind in Pakistan, we wilJ ment failed to discharge its duty at a make appEcable to them the Evacuee particular moment, they now want to Properties Act which was applicable to divert the attention of the people by West Pakistan refugees, so that they saying that it is the Government of are assured of the properties that are India which is to be blamed, that they left behind. were always prepared but it was the Central Government which thought would also like this Govern- of the refugees as unwanted. ment to make certain other things very clear, because it is a national responsibility. Shri Atulya Ghosh will What about these fire-arms and am- excuse me-I do not know whether he munition? It is a fact that there has is here or not-whpn I say that it is been larg.,..,scale unlicensed antIS in clear that a dialogue has been going on Calcutta. It has also been spid in between the West Bengal Government some of the papers that arms are and the Central Government. each try- dumped in places of worship. I do not ing to blame the other. But to me know what steps have been taken to they are all one and the same. Shri unearth these arms. It is very neces- Atulya Ghosh now comes forward with sary. If there are any persons going a big statement publicised in West around in Calcutta or near about Bengal paperg. or for that matter, in the whole of India. without passports who happen Shri Tyagi: It is hollow from in- to be Pakistani nationals. we must side. take immediate and stern action against them also. Shri SurendraDath Dwlvedy: I think the hon. Minister will reply to it. Another question that is worrying the people of West Bengal very Pandey (Guna): You Shri R. S. mUCh is border security. I will tell have removed something, it has a you a story which is very disturbing. hole. It is said that On the Pakistan side near about the Assam border and the Shri Surendranath Dwivedy: Shri Cooch-Behar area, people have seen Atulya Ghosh says: many persons with Chinese dress wandering about. So far as I know, "Since partition. the refugee in Dacca there were probably only problem has been dealt with in a one or two ChineSe shoe 'shops and haphazard manner." there are not many Chinese, but it ~ 341 Motion re: FEBRUARY 12, 1964 Communal Disturbance, 342 in East Pakistan and West Benga! [Shri Surendranath Dwivedy] again. As I stand here today I am is said that particularly on the other reminded of 1950-51 when this House side of the border they see many discussed some things that happened people with Chinese dress wandering across the border and its repercus- about. If that is so, it is also a fact sions:n Calcutta and of Dr. Shyama that on the Pakistan side of the bor- Prasad Mookerjee's resignation from der for several miles Pakistan has the Central Government. He gave rea- seen to it that nO minority population sons for his resignation and ended up lives there. But on our side, our by say:ng about the Nehru-Liaqat people live without any protection agreement: whatsoever. If it is a deep laid game "I only hope that the agreement of Pakistan-God forbid-and if they make an attack on our country, I am will not be observed only unilate- quite sure that police force there rally. If the agreement succeeds, nothing else will make me hap- which is very negligible or even our pier; if it fails it will indeed be a military or defence forces there would very costly and tragic experi- not be able to give any protection. We ment." should think about the security of our border people. The way Israel has Fourteen years after that, we find that solved this problem has given great it is a costly experiment, the agree- confidence to the people of Israel. They ment was observed only unilaterally. have kubbutz in these regions; the Today we are faced with tragic events farmers are given laids and arms also. in Calcutta and adjacent areas arising It is necessary that in all these border out of the events in Pakistan for there areas we have OUr own people's militia is no justification for taking revenge to resist any such attack. on the innocent whatever may happen in Pakistan. I do not compare because Since my time is uP, lastly I say it is not comparable position where that we must so factually represent our two Governments have two different case that the whole world knows what approaches, attitudes, and policies. is going on in this country. From that There could, be comparison between point of view, we have lagged behind. the people of India and Pakistan, Lastly. the Muslim minOrity or for that more especially, the people of East matter any minority in this country. Bengal and West Bengal are much the are our brethren and they are fully same; they speak the same language, assured of their security If proof was the same - heritage. lived and shared needed. it was proved on this occasion. the same joyS and sorrows through Any citizen, no matter to which creed centuries and their reactions and res- or caste he belongs, will have to live ponses are also much the same in spite here with perfect amity and harmony. of the political barriers which divide We shall see to it that it is the duty them. But it is the approach of the of every Indian patriot that if there two Governments that makes the dif- is at any time any attack on any mino_ ference. Across the border there is rity community, he must lay down his a Governmient which doe<; not be- life to see that the life and security of lieve that minorities can be equal these people is preserved. citizens It is obvious th.t minorities Sbrimati Renuka Ray (MaIda): Mr. cannot be given protection and secu- Speaker, the statement laid by the rity there. How can we then justify hon. Minister gives a very factual what Mr. Mukerjee said a little while account of the tragic happenings in ago, making a comparison of opposites. Khulna and other parts of East Paki- We deplore what happened in Calcutta: stan but has not gone into the details we do not tolerate it whatever may be of a solution to the real problems the faults of our Government. they that lead to these things time and have seen that these d'sturo?nces were 343 Motion re: MAGHA 23, 1885 (SAKA) Communal Disturb- 344: ancell .in ElIBt Pakistan and West Bengal put down as quickly as possible. The to other States. What has happened people of our State and of our city of to them? What of that assurance that Calcutta had been employed for many was given? In Andamanswe have reha- days protecting and rescuing people bilitated a certain number of persons and giving them relief. Muslims and and the absorption there was very well some Hindus were victims in the Cal- done, and it was a successful rehabili- cutta disturbances and we had to help tation. Later when other migrants and give relief to both. I hope that wanted to go to the Andamans, we the assurance given by the Govern- were told that it could not be reserv- ment about rehabilitating quickly ed for the migrants from East Pakis- people who lost their homes will be tan any longer; there were also other implemented without delay. over-populated parts of this country from where people must come. I ask you, were we asking for the relief of It is obvious from the hon. Minister's the over-populated West Bengal or for statement that because Pakistan was migrants coming form beyOnd our bringing up her old case of Kashmir frontiers. I bring this matter up be- in the U.N. and she alSO made out that cause even today there is room in the the loss of the holy relic in Kashmir Andamans, and the Nicobar islands was due to the Hindus, they provoked could also be developed. With regard a situation in Pakistan against the to the Dandakaranya scheme, there Hindu minority and wanted to have was of course some kind of feeling repercussions in Calcutta. There is that we should not put in the non- no doubt about it. As the P.S.P cultivator refugees, but there is some spokesman pointed out we can see niggardly acceptance of the fact that how things happened.' But nothing some non-cultivators would be reha- justifies the loss of one single life or bilitated there. But, if the township a single case of arson or loot against is to grow, why should there not be minorities in our country. But we mOre non-cultivator migrants who must go to the root of the problem: have come, and who have already treatment of the minority community come into this country, and who have in Pakistan. In all humility, I sug- not been absorbed into our economy? gest to the Government that it is I have not much time, but I have one no use thinking of piecemeal mea- or two more suggestions to make. sures. The situation has become very One of them is this. difficult today. Certain categories of migrants may come. We had Minis- ters' Conferences and Chief Minis- I have failed from the very start to ters' conferences times without num- understand one thing, and that was ber in the past. Now again we decide from 1950 onwards, when I was in to rehabilitate them outside the over- this House, why is it not possible to' crowded West Bengal. I was in- allow the migrants from East Pakis- terested to see that even as far back tan for whOm there is. no proper a, 1950-51, it was mentioned that west arrangement for evacuee property, Bengal was over-crowded already. In at least to use their own initiative to 1954, with the predecessor of the pre- settle down and give them grants sent Central Rehabilitation Minister-I which are adequate and essential for wa. then holdine: the portfolio in that purpose? Those who are able to West Bengal-we came to a decision USe their own initiative should find that further rehabilitation in West their own feet; let them find their Bengal would not take place, htat ar- own feet, because the Government's rangements would be made imme- machinery is obviously not of such diately to remove the refue:ees or the a calibre to deal w'th a problem whOSe miltrants who came to West Bengal magnitude is of this size. But that 345 Motion l"e: FEBRUARY 12, 1964 Communal Disturbances 346 in East Pakistan and West Bengal [Shrimati Renuka Ray] organisation to help them. Why is it has never been done. That, I hope, that We have failed to go to that will be taken up now at least. world organisation for help? Is it de- There are other aspects in relation meaning, when we have to deal with to this problem. I have not much a problem of such a magnitude, or, is time to go into the manner in which it not more demeaning when we have the loans are given; the loans are to go to outside countries to buy food given in driblets. and this has for our own coumry because we can- resulted naturally in the hand-to- not produce enough food and yet we mouth existence of the East Bengal do not go and ~, help of the world minorities who came before, organisation to p,.-vide for the mino- and it has made them live rities. In saying ~ i , I do not for a in Such a manner that they have not moment say that compassionate been absorbed as yet in OUr economy. grounds are the only grounds on Th,s is one of the reasons why the which the migration problem has to be Government is reluctant to take on dealt with. The migration from East more responsibility. I know their Pakistan, whether we want it or not, reluctance. I realise the dif- takes place. But I do say that, be- ficulty that is facing the Govern- cause I do think that we have to re- ment. Whatever be the reluctance, member the pledge that was given they have to overcome it. Whatever when partition took place. We have be the impediment, that stands in our to redeem and honour that pledge, and path, we have to overcome it and we as important as that pledge is, it is have to receive the migrants from also important that in our secular East Bengal because unless we can do State, every minority. whosoever, they so and unless we can provide safety be-MUSlims or Chri>tians-should be and security for them. there is no way able to live in safety and security and out for our own country either. We with honour. If that has to be shall be lost in the same upheaval if achieved, this state of tension, that we do not take action here and now. continuously comes up must be done I do not understand for one moment away with, and a harmonious position why we do not take the in:tiative in must obtain in our own country. We going to the United Nations in re- cannot for ever. for all time, con- gard to this problem of the East tinuously hear of the terrible hap- Bengal minorities. Why is it that we penings that are taking place across our front.ier.. What has happened in are on the defensive even now in th:s Dacca and Narayanganj? do not matter? Why is it that Pakistan, to r want to go into the details of it. I furthe- her unjustifiable claims to know that our Government are fac- Kashmir should have the efl'rontery ed wit.h a difficult position, because, if to bring' up the question of minori- they were to give out everything that ties? I know that our representative, happens, in East Pakistan then there Shri Chagla, has spoken weH in the is fear of repercussions. But b·o not United Nations. But I say that this acknowledging them also, we are not problem itself should be brought to able to place before the world the pro_ the bar of world opinion. and with the per appraisal of what is happening. help of the world outside. We have to solve it. I do not say that humanita- r'an grounds are the only grounds on What is happening today about the whiCh the East Bengal minorities mass.. cre Of ch'ldren, about the should be catert'rl for. But. in the women, in East Pakistan, in Dacca world when mass migration, take and Narayanganj. whose fate is worse place.' when people flee from one than death. r do not want to deal country to another. there is a world with it at any length. I do not want Motion reo .t4AGHA 23, 1\185 (SAKA) Communal Disturb- 3411 ances in East Pakistan and West Bengal to be emotional, but if you live in ments made by Prof. Mukerjee, close proximity to the things that l!ap- 1 am sorry he used words which pen, it is difficult not to be emotional. will iive a handle to Pakistan and ~ know that every Member of this also to anti-Indian forces in the inter- House hila full sympathy for those national world. Therefore, we should be very careful before we try to r~ i people, who have come as mii- equate India and Pakistan and bring rants or displaced persons in our them down on the same level. The coantry. But, nevertheless. I think people of East Benial were in the that it is more difficult for them to forefront of the national struggle for reahs the whole problem in its stark e freedom. As a matter of fact, the reality, what problems particularly greatest stalwarts like Anand Mohan these migrants have to face from day ;Bose, Lal Mohan Ghosh, ~ n to day, and I hope, now that after so Chittaranjan Das and others fought many years these events have tsken not merely for the liberation of place, we shaH no longer go on treat- Bengal, but for breaking the bondage ing this as a piecemeal thing. I appeal of the whole of India. When India's to the Members of this HOuse and independence came, we were confront- to OUr countrymen as a whole and ed with the horrible task of the vivi- to the world outside that we mu£t section of the country. To a man, the find a solution for the problem of East people of East Bengal did not want :aenial minorities so that we can live partition. in peaCe and amity in our own land, lUI hrs. So that we can remember the things [MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER in the Chair] for which the Father of the Nation lived and died. We have forgotten What happened? Mr. Jinnah made him in many ways. a declaration on the eve of partition: "You may belofii to any religion I want to remind the House of one or caste or creed; that has nothing thing. When partition of this land to do with the business of the took place, what had happened in the State. We are starting with this west did not take place in East Bengal fundamental principle that we are "because at that time Mahatma Gandhi all citizens and equal citizens of had just been touring Noakali, Cal- one ~ . . . cutta and Bihar. But later from 1950 The truth is that his· successors have onwards, things became quite difte- deliberately and b'atantly violated rent, ad it i. no use our trying to turn this ~ given by Mr. Jinnah. aWBy from facts, the stark reallties Therefore, when Prof. Mukerjee say. tliat face us. It is necessary for us to that the Calcutta Press was misbehav_ take some 500,,5 that are absolutely ing, he completely missed the point. eSsential today by whiCh we can get The Calcutta Press did its duty and I some help ir ~ the world ou\side and am glad to say that those papers ourselves take the steps through whom he named were pointing out which We can solve the problem of ti)e that the policy of the Government of ~ ~ l minorities . ~ cannot India has been weak and ~ m in They were accusing the Government live with ,afety and security UDder a of persistent appeasement Or Pakistan t:egime which believes ~ they and calli!d upon the Government to ~ l b" hostages and ~ ruth- abandon .that policy. They did not lessly ll~ in tlieir claill)s for Kash- want ·them to taka' strong action llIir whenever they c:hOQSe. ·qainst any particular community. That was entirely Wrong. Shri N. C. l ~ r ~ : S,ir, I r ~ that I sl)all ~ to I should remin4 the House that 'r f ~ ,!,y. : l r~ my ~ ri~ Dr. S. P. ~l: WBs then a mem- l)1.y cavel\t agail)St sO.l:ne ~f the state· ber QI. the lf ~ ~ He called 2025 (Ai) LSD-5. 349 Motioft re: FBBRUABY 12, 196' Communal i ' ~ 3 ~ .. But Pakiftaft ~ Wen ~l [8hri N. C. Chatterjee] later we shall be united in com- upon me and I organised the East mon allegiance to our country." Bengal Convention. About 2000 dele- gates came from different parts of In 1959, the great killing started ia East Bengal. They wanted certain Barisal. You remember, Sir, the assurances about safeguards for their Prime Minister was so worked up safety and honour at the moment of emotionally that he said, "1 will peril and disaster. What were the resort to other methods if necessary". assurances given to them? I remem- But unfortunately, the policy of ber 1 read out thOSe messages to the appeasement triumphed and the delegates. Dr. S. P. Mukerjee went Nehru-Liaqat Ali Pact was concluded. down to Calcutta and placed those That led to the resignation of two messages before them. The first mes- Ministers from Bengal. Dr. S. P. sage came from the Prime Minister Mookerjee a.nd Mr. Neogy resigned 8hri Jawaharlal Nehru. The Prime from the Cabinet because they realis- Minister's words were clear arid cate- ed that this policy of appeasement gor,icaI. He said: would be' a failure. Since the conclu- sion of the pact, what has happened? "We think also of our brothers What was our Press saying? What and sisters who have been cut off were our people crying about? We from us by the political boun- were continually telling this Govern- daries and who unhappily cannot ment "You have been unilaterally share a t present in the freedom implementing this pact, which is that has come. They are of us totally wrong." We wanted its bila- and will remain of us whatever teral implementation, but our Govern- may happen and we shall be ment was not firm enough. It was sharers in their good and ill for- weak and vacillating. It adopted a tune alike." cowardly attitude and never compelled Now when trouble comes today, parti- Pakistan to honour the obligationa cularly at the moment of the greatest which it had undertaken. danger to 92 lakhs of human beings- What is this so-called riot in East tortured and trapped humanlty- Bengal? This is not right. It is .. people are saying, "Will the Prime entire misnomer to call it a riot. It ill Minister redeem his pledge?" Our a deliberate State-planned carnage, charge is that all these pledges were genocide of the minorities planned aDd conveniently forgotten and put in cold connived at by the Pakistan Govent- storage all this time. ment. What had the poor Hindus at What was the pledge that Sardar J essore and IOlUIna got to do witlt the temporary theft of the Prophet'll Patel gave? His words are more emphatic: hair-the Holy Relic-from Hazratbal shrine? President Ayub Khan issued ''Our hearts naturally go out to a broadcast fomenting communal those who were of us and with us frenzy and said that this m ~ h ~ 110 long but who are now .el)'lrat- been done by a non-Muslim. There- ed. Few can realise the bitter- after theTe was a confeTence held. r ness and sorrow Which partition told all that to Mr. Nanda. He has has brought to those who cherish- been good enoug'h to give me an ed unity and lived to fashion Its interview lasting for 21 hours, as ~ details. But let not our brethren leader of the delegation on behalf of across the border feel that they all the Bengal parties. There was a are neglected and forgotten. Their conference at the i ~ Secretary's welfare will claim our vigilance offtce in Dacca and not one in l~ and we shall follow with abiding East Bengal Muslim leader was called'. interest their Mure in full hope Onl:v non-Bengali Muslim leadeN and confidence that sooner than were called. Somethlnr happene' 351 Motion re; MAGRt\ 23, 1885 (SAKA) Communal Disturb- ances in East Pakistan and West Bengal there. Thereafter, 20,000 people start- Narayanganj. I put it to lIT. ed. • procession armed with weapons Nanda .... and carnage started in Khulna and deaths in J essore. Shri Tyagi (Dehra Dun): Do YOIl mean to say that it is 10,OOO? Unfortunately, there was a reper- cussion in Calcutta. We deeply dep- lore it. We condemn it. We are Shri N. C. Chatterjee: Yes; 10,000 pledged to the maintenance of the is the casualty figure in Dacca and basic principles of our Constitution. Narayanganj only. I told Mr. Nanda, We have under article 14 guaranteed "What is the figure which the Chief equality to all our citizens, irrespec- Mini,ter of West Bengal gave to you? tive of caste or creed. Therefure, we Did he not mention something !ike do not want any loyal citizen of India 10,000 or a little more than that?" He to be ill-treated or tortured or in any said, "Of course, he mentioned a figure way jeopardised because of his caste, like 'hat. But nobody knows exactly creed or religion. What has Mr. wh-t is the truth". On behalf of the Chagla said? Mr. Chagla is a great tortured and trapped humanity ..... ho lawyer and he was the Chief Justice are being persecut,ect in this manner, of the Bombay High Court. He said, I make this demand: You must "By its policy, by its action, by its mqke arran!!ements for a correct utterance, Pakistan has deliberately appraisal of the total casualty in this incited these riots in Khu'na, Jessore, ~' ~' do ~' not entrust this Dacc& and Narayanganj". His next '''0'''' to ~ TnternatioCla! Red Ceoss? TIl't is our first suggestion. sentence in the Security Council reads thus:

~i Tyagi: The British are ~ "Pakistan deiberately and of porting them. set purpose created an atmos- phere that riots should r~ out Shri N. C. Chatterjee: As a matter in East Pakistan. Thousands of of fact, the International Red CrOSl innocent lives have been lost. should be utilised ~ for other pur- The Pakistan Government cannot poses. I am sorry to inform this be absGlved of its responsibility House that we have got intimation .for the death of these innocent from Dacca that in about 40 refugee people." camps where thousands of people belonging to the minority community What has shocked us most is not are huddled together, children are merely large-scale kieing of people in dying. boys and girls are dying Dacca and Narayanganj or Jessore and because of want of medicine, because Khulna, but the very large-sca:le of lack of anti-cholera vaccine, abduction and molestation of women because ~ want of anti-typhoid vac- that has gone on. You know there cine . .I myself approached the.Bengal i. an iron curtain which blocks out Immunity and other concerns for des- truth and light. But through the Iron patching such consignments as they Curtain have percolated little frag- could afford. They are perfectly ments of news due to the .good offices willing to do it. But nothing can be of the foreign press and they put it done because of the attitude of Pakis- at 1000 casua.lties. But r assure you tan. ·r have requested the hon. Min- it is absolutely wrong. The latest ister, Shri Nanda, to take up this migrants who have come ~r m Dacca matter, write to the Red Cross or same and Narayanganj have told me as also other international agency, and send the West Bengal Citizens Committee the medicines immediatelv to stop that the casualty figure would be ten further deaths of these children in times that figure only in Dacca and the refugee camps. . 353 Motion re: FZBRUARY 12, 111M Communal DiaturballCe, 354 in I;q,s& Pakiata" AIIG West Be!\{1al [Shri N. C. Chatterjee] people were being served by one office Sir, it i. not that the Bengal Press at Rajshahi. That office was asked to were incitinl! people for ta.king strong be closed down. We submitted to actio:1 against the minority commu- Pakistan's threat and we closed it nity in Bengal. These papers like down. We said that we must retaliate, Jugantar, Ananda BazaT Patrika and We must reciprocate. But we were 50 Basumati were doing their duty to cowardly, SO timid, that we did not the country and to the nation by giv- have the guts to get their Shillong ing facts, by giving details and they office closed down. Why should we were appealing to the Government to submit to this kind of threats? What be firm. They wanted firm action, is the good of Shri Nanda sitting here not by individual miscreants or by and saying that we will ease the res- individual communalists, but by the trictions? How can a man from Government. They were asking the Rajshahi, Pabna or Bogra, in this GovGnment to take organised action. troub:ed state of things, when villages are burning in and around Dacca and What is happening today? All the Narayanganj, go there7 I am not panies in Calcutta met at a citizens' saying all these things .. The Canadian convention. For the first time in the Times has said it. What does it say? history of Bengal we could unite all It says: the ;;~~~: They passed a very moderate and reasonable resolutiOll !'At Rayerbazar-to appreciate which I placed before the hon. Min- ister when he was in Calcutta. What the human impact, of what hap- pened-and is happening around was the demand that we put forward. Dacca, you come to the Hindu We said that we have completely lost potters' village of Rayerbazar on faith in Pakistan and therefore our the edge of the town. For a day Government ~ open the door and a half Rayerbazar burned- completely. There is no question of its blaze lighting up Dacca and any easing of the restrictions. The door must be opened completely and the screams of the killed and wounded filling the air. Screams all migration certifica·tes or other became so bad that 'had requirements shOUld be removed. I Dacca to cancel part of East Pakistan lawn am ashamed to tell you, Sir, and tennis pla,y whieh blithely went through you this House that there had on during part of the massacre. been directives issued by the Govern- In Rayerbazar around 5.000 Hin- ment of India not to permit migration dus lived and many worked mak- certificates. That has been going on ing clay. pots." since the year 1958. A1; a matter of fact, I am also ashamed to tell you that the migration officer who is in Shri Mukerjee does not know that charge of that section, who entertains letters have come from Dacca and visitors and all that, is a most hard- Narayanganj saying: "Do not send us hearted and cruel officer. Jt is impe- any more money". This is what a rative that that man should be remOV- young girl has written: "Mother haa eli imm.ediaotely. Although he is a ~ n abducted. Mother ha.s been married forcibly. Nika has been per- Sengali and although he is functioning formed. have also been taket'1 under our Gove1"l\ment, possibly, he I away. Possibly my marriage will thinks that he will please his masters, take place in a few days. Therefore. the Government of 'India, if he stop!! do not any !!lore. Consider m;gration certificates. worry us 11,5 lost for ever." Hundreds of' such Why, I ask, was the Rajshalli case, are stUl there. I appealed to ~ i n High Commissioner.s ofIlce ~ri Nanda when be gave us an inter- ,~ down? 92 lakhs of Hindus are view. Shri Tridib Kumar ~ ri sH'l in ~ Bengal aoo there are 40 and ~ were there with us. I lakhs in North Bengal. 40 Jakhs Of asked him: ''Will you do lOllleDIN 355 MAGHA 23, 1885 (SAKA) Communal Di.!tUTb- 35' ances in East Pllkistan and West Bengal for these poor women who are still arrangement for reception, there is o. there and who have not yet been arrangement for food, there is De oonverted?" I have cot the full text proper arrangement for clothes. N .... of the Nehru-Liaquat Pact. They say thing is beilli done and they are mil that the Pact is sti:! alive. Why do being mOlested And, we get th_ you not enforce the clause of that stories of molestation. Pact which says that every forcible conversion shall be repudiated by the What has the Press done? Wha* Pakistan Government and the Indian has Ben,al done? I have no love 10.- Government wherever it· takes place? the Chief Minister of West Bengal. It says that every kidnapping and He waa ,oin, from village to village, every case of molestation of women from the district town to the sub- would be looked into under joint divisional town, campaigning against auspices. Why do you not n~ r me durine the election period. A treat that clause? Congreu leader also was dOing-it. But I must be fair to him. Simply becauae Then, thousands of people who have the Congress WBS fighting me, simply eot mitration certificates have been because the Chief Minister was appeal- brought down from the railway trains. ing to the people to turn me out 01 4000 or 5000 of them have been taken political life, I should not be unfair. down and huddled together. I do not It is abso:utely unfair to suggest that say that they have been killed, but it the Chief Minister of Bengal was COD- is worse than that. With all their niving at this communal trouble. migration certificates and travel docu- Shri Jlukerjee, Sir, used the npres- ments they harve been pulled out of sion "connivance at higfier quarten". their trains before they reached I do not know what he meant but iii Darsana or the Indian border and the context of that speech if it refm they have been kept there huddled to the Chief Minister or the Ggvern- together in tempOrary Sheds. ment of West l3engal, it is an absollite- ly unfair charge. I am satisfied that Shri Barish ChaDdra MaGlv the Chief Minister has nothina to ao (Jalore): How can the Pact be enforc_ about it. ed unilaterally? lUO JU'S. AD hoa. MeID_: Have spine and you Will be ilble to do it. (lnteTTtlJ)- What I am submitting is that prompt tion). steps should be taken for securing safe transit Qf refugees and for their reception at the check-posts and their 8hrl N. C. Cbatterjte: It is a ques- rehabilitation as full Indian citizens. tion Of courage. It is a question of Some machinery should be devised for your ability to stand up and expose the purpose of rescuing the abducted the barbarity of the whole thing. Why women who are in a horrible state. do you not tell them thilt in the That is our prime duty. Nehru-Liaquat Pact there is a provi- sion to ensure safe transit to the What is the policy? What is the border of each country of every mino_ indication in the Pre-sident's Addl"ellll rity community member who wants to of a new policy? It is the same old migrate and that it should be done policy of bowing down to Pakista. under joint auspices. Why do you and pursuing the old policy of pUre not send our own oflicers also to appeasement. That policy must be accompany these train. of migrants? given up. We want a new and vigo- Not only thaJt; look at the apathy, rous policy, a complete reorientation ineptitude of our Government. Even of our old policy. Unfortunately, there today at Darsana, Beriapole and other is no indication of that, and that is lfhat check posts where boys and girls are We demand and that is what West CTOIIslng the border, there is no Ben,al demands. 357 Motion re: FEBRUARY 12, 1"" Comm.unal DisturblmCes 358 in East PIlkbt4n ClAd Wut B""Cll Shri A. C. Gulla (Barasat): Mr. rurnours about the atrocities commit- Deputy-Speaker, I congratulate Pro- ted on the minorities here. Same poli- fessor Mukerjee on his very able pre- tical parties have also done the same' sentation of the case of Pakistan. I thing for political advantage. On the am SUTe he will get a good publicity other side, Pakistan suppresses every- in the Pakistan press and his reputa- thing. According to their figures, only tion as an international Communist about 150 people have been murdered will surely be vindicated by his repu- in Pakistan while Nandaji gave the diating all concepts of allegiance to figure as about 1,000. But I put it to one's nation or one's country. Nandaji, who is a highly ethical and moral man: does he really believe that Much has been said by Professor the figure is only 1 OOO? Does he not Mukerjee about the incidents in Cal- think the number to be near about cutta, but I am sorry he conveniently 20,000 in the whole of East Bengal? I forgot to mention many O)ther t.hings say with some authority, with some which happened in Calcutta or near- authentic information in my posses- about Calcutta. He forgot to mention sion, that the number of :>Ieople mur- that unlicensed arms were found in a dered in East Bengal may be near mosque in a suburb of Calcutta. He about 20,000 and not 1,000. Shri Chat- forgot to mention that almost the terjee put the figure of marders in first mUTder in Calcutta city wa:s of a Dacca and Narayanganj alone round Hindu postal peon who was clearing about 10,000. a postal box in a predominantly Mus- lim area. He also fore;ot that the big I shall cite only two =ases. In the pandal erected for the eelebration of Dacca Medical College, according to an the Vivekananda Centenary in the American nurse--l will say a foreign Park Circus, which was notori- nurse because Shri ~r may ously known as Muslim majority object to the statement that an Ameri- area, was burnt down on the can nUTse is doing something good- 8th or 9th of January. He also more than 600 bodies were seen. Then, forgot to mention that in tne borders the Managing Director of the Dhakes- of West Bengal and East Bengal slo- wari Cotton Mills made a public state- gans. like "Pakistan Zindabad" were ment that in one section of that cotton frequently heard. Perhaps hi;; party mill more than 500 murders wcre com- men might also be conniving at the mitted and a whole section of that uttering of these slogans. cotton mill was damaged so irrepar- ably that it would not be ·.')()ssible for Sbri H. N. Mukerjee: All these him to run that section of the eotton as!,>ersions are so entirely oil the mark mill for a year or so. Subsequently, and untruthful that yOU better think pressure was put on him and the very about them. same Managing Director issued a press ,tatement, praising the Pakistan Gov- Shri A. C. Guha' But do you re- ernment for all that they did. This pudiate the fact that the panda! was is the position in Pakistan. burnt? Would you repudiate the fact that arms were found in the mosques? What is the position of the minority in Pakistan? Shri Mukerjee compared Shri H. N. Mukerjee: Did I repu- the position of the minorities here and diate them?- in PaKistan. He is a student of his- tory. I do not think he should use his Shri A. C. Guha: He gave a one- historical knowledie in that manner. sided picture, a very exaggerated pic- What is the position of Hindu minori- ture. The tragedy of it is that we ties in Pakistan? By the constitution stand self-condemned by such state- they are debarred from holding some ments. The Government of India is of the offices of the State. By prac- also making so many statements, some- tice they are eXCluded from earning tlmes exaggerating and Tepeating their livelihood. Government service 3'9 Mono. re: KAGHA 31, 1885 (.!AKA) Communal Di.sturb- 360 /meU in EaBt PakuMn and Wen Bengal is almost banned for them. Commer- may be supplied with the forms, the cial licence or permit is practically mere supply of the forms will not denied to them. Then, what is the entitle them to the grant of nligratioA 'avenue of living fOr them? certificates and that they would be iSSued only after careful scrutiny of Coming to the easing of the restric- every case. This press note was issued 1ions in the issue of migration certi- only a week ago, Now, in the name "lcates, OUr Government says that eco- of humanity, I appeal to Ulis HOWIe nomic distress should not be a cause and to the Government that the De- Jor the issu,e of migration certificates. puty High Commissioner ~ l be 'Does our Government believe that the immediately asked to repudiate that minorities there, being deprived of press note and that he should be Bsk- their avenues of livelihood will go on ed to issue another press note that .1;tarving and stilI continue to live everybody who is willing to come will there? What is the reason for put- be issued a migration certificate· and ·ting so many restrictions on the issue allowed to come here. ·of migration certificates? For an ordi- nary villager coming from districts Shri Chatterjee referred to the like Chittagong, Barisal and Khulna Nehru-Liaquat Pact, He also referred -to Dacca to get a migration certificate to a conference held in Calcutta which in ordinary times it will cost Rs. 400 discussed that pact. The first condi- to 500. Now it costs much more. He tiOn of this pact was that there shall has to submit five photographs of not be freedom of movement and protec- ·only himself but of all the members tion in transit. Secondly, there shall <>f his family, including infants. What be freedom to remove as much of the more restrictions do you need? movable and personal effects Bnd household goods as the migrant may There is another point. We have wish to take with him. Movable pro- been told that the conditions for the perty shall include personal jeweU .. ry. issue of migration certificates have The maximum cash allowed to each 'been eased, What is the easing? Mig- adult would be Rs. 150 and to each ration certificates are issued only two migrant child Rs. 75. But what is the days a week-Tuesdays and Saturdays. position now? They are not allowing Why can it not be issued on all the anybody to bring anything. Whatever 'seven days, including Sundays, when they may carry on their person the thousands and thousands of terror- hooligans rob them of everything stricken people are trying to take and they all come paupers and beg- shelter in India? Why should that gars without any proper clothes and office be closed for five days in a week without a Naya Paise with them. and the people asked to wait and Darsana and Benapole are the last come only on those two days? Is it stations on the Pakistan side and Pet- easing the condition for issue of mig- rapole and Gede are the first stations ration certifiC3'es? Yet we are (old on the Indian side. When they come that the ~ n i i n for issue of migra- from Darsana to Gede, most of them tion certificates are very much Jibera- even do not possess the few annas re- 'Used, :;TW! quired to pay the railway fare. I think, the Government have now ar- Then it is regrettable and a matter ranged to transport them without pay- of ~ for us that our Deputy men t of any railway fare. Commissioner in Dacca was asked to issue a press note to the East Pakistan Much has been said about the West press, repudiating the statement that Bengal Government, I do not belong there was any liberalisation in the to the West Bengal Government and issue of migration certificates. He when the Government of India de- warned the applicants that though all serves some condemnation I will not the applicants who have been applying hesitate to do that, so if the West 'for forms for migration certificates Bengal Government deserved some lIotiott re: FBBRUARY 12, 11Ri4 COmmunal Disturbances 3 ~ in Ea.rt Pakistan and West Bengal [Shri A. C. Guha] policeman but of the entire Police condemnation, sure1y.I would have ranks? That was the ease. Many done it. What is the fault of the rumours and tales of so many horrible West Bengal Government? All that things perpetrated in Pakistan were is now current about the West Benpl coming that it was not pos3ible at the Govenunent's weakness and failure is very outset to check the upsurae. due to a somewhat hasty action taken by the Centre. I say that, hastily and Shri Chatterjee and also my hon. without thinking properly, the Central colleague, Shrimati Renuka Ray, ~ Government intervened when actually suggested that this is not a casual the riot position in Calcutta was eas- thing, that this is a political issue and ing. The hon. Home Minister went should be settled On a Political baSis. there On the 12th. The peak of the If there is provocation on the other riots was the lOth and the 11 th On side then there is bounnd to be some the 12th I went to some distant' areas reaction on this side, you cannot stop in the rural areas and silw the situa- that provocation. The only remedy is tion there. The SDO of that area to eliminate the cause of that provo- warned me and said that I oihould Dot cation On the other side. The occa- go; at the same time he said, "I eX- Ilion for that provocation is the exi.t- pect there will not be any untoward ence of the minorities there. I do not incident but still, I think, you should suggest any exchange of population. not go." Still 1 went into i.h08e troubl- I do not ~ a single Muslim to ed areas, not in Calcutta but outside be touched here or to be pushed out Cillcutta. I found the situation not of .India. But if those 92 l ~ of 80 very bad; rather the llituation was people-surely 92 lakhs would not easing. Actually, the Central Govern- come, but if they an come-is it quite ment's intervention started from the impossible for us to rehabilitate them! 11th when. I should say with my own What is 90 lakhs? Apparently it is a personal knowledge, the situation WIll big figure but it is less than our one very much improved The Chief Min- year's natural increase in populatiOft ister, immediately the situation took which is about one crore and ten or a somewhat serious tU!1l, returned 15 lakhs. Our natural increase in tram BhubanesWar On the 10th. and population is more than one eror. people, so, 90 lakhs of people are only On the 11th contacted the Army aut!'lo- rities in Calcutta to find out whether one year's natural increase in popula- he eould get any help trom the Army. tion. 90 lakh people means 18 lakh He contacted and requested the neigh- families. I thought, Shri Khanna was bouring States of Bihar. Orissa and here; I think, he has left. It properly UP to supply some armed forces. All arranged, Ra 2,000 per famUy would quite suftlclent for that was possible tor him to do he did, be but still we found that the Central the rehabilitatiOn of these II' Government hlistily intervened in this lakh families, which would mean matter. And political leaders like, a sum of Rs. 360 crores. When we are Shri Mukerjee have been condemning planning for Rs. 11,000 crons or the West Bengal Government! 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Ia. 1964 when the globe is shrinking and ~~ f I ~~if; mr~~ becoming smaller, when national har- t I ,i ,,) ~m ~ f,P-oTT ~ 1'fTIf if riers are withering away and old be- liefs and superstitions are giving pl&ee ~ fit; ~~n: ~ ~~~ ~ 'lTf~.. to new ideas and development of' ~~~ if;~ ; I : fri ~ science and technology it is a matter' of shame and it is unthinkable that a ,~~ ~ 'ilTifvernment. putting thereby the security of this But a big question mark has been pos- country into jeopardy. ed before us, and that is ~ question· of living space, Have we got the Hy- As yOU know, this thing was made ing space? a plea to flare up communal passions The report says that the Chief Min- in East Pakistan, and it had its reper- isters of Orissa, Madhya Pradesh, cussions in Calcutta. I do not want Andhra Pradesh and Maharashtra have to go Into the details, but at the same thought over the question and have time, I would like to urge that it was released two lakhs acres of land for" the unholy alliance of Pakistan with the rehabilitation of the incomin,. China with the ulterior motive of com- refugees. .T do not have the know- mon hatred against ,India which was ledge about the position in other used to exploit the situation to .uch States, but I have the knowledge about an extent that we might take the my own State and I know that the stand or We mieht take the initiative Orissa Government have completely to break off OUr diplomatic ties with failed to rehabilitate those aboriginal. Pakistan or to force a war on Pakis- who have been uprooted from their tan which we did not want at all. But shifting cultivation, even though it I would beg to submit that the real had been bombastically stated that for wisdom lies in not getting provoked. the welfare of the Adibasis, in the We all feel that a policy of platitude Dandakaranya area provision had been or appeasement would not do, It is made to the e1fect that one-fourth of" only a plU'Suit of the policy of three the land reclaimed would be reserved F's, namely fimlness, fairness and for the re-setUement of the Adibasis, friendliness which can contribute to- But I know what the state of affairs warda the prosperity of India and is I know that all the ri ln l~ Pakistan as a whole, Ho,,, we are ~ not been rehabilitated yet in missing Sardar Patel at this staee is those lands. Further where is the a thing to be seen, land fOr all those persons who have- Motion re: ~ ; : 12, 1964 Communal Disturbance. 37[; in East PaIti.RaA and West Bengal [Shri P. K. Deo] We Jearn that the Swahili people been or are about to be uprooted for in Kenya, Uganda and T8Ilial)"ilj:,. are thinking of wiping away their the various development projects? borders and fanning one united East Most hastily, our Prime Minister who African Federation. that could be was goaded by the former Chief Min- If possible, and if those in charge of the ister of my State laid the foundation- administration put their hearts into ~ n for the Tikerpara dam, for which lhere had been no blue-prints and this problem and find out a way of solving this chronic problem, then whose financial impJecations etc. had they can achieve this, but that would not been studied properly. It was the be possible only if there would be frenzy or the zid of some persons surrender of sovereignty from both which made him lay the roundation- stOlle of the Tikerpara dam in which sides and there is a confederation of these two States into one single unit. four lakhs of persons are going to be uprooted. About 2000 square miles are going to be submerged, and what will 14." h1'8. happen to the rehabilitation of the persons affected? Dr. Mahtab repre- Shri C. K. Bbattacbarna (Raiganj): Bents that area, and he knows the In the very first place, I must con- problem there very well. So, there is gratulate our Chief Minister for the hardly any space in my State for the way he has tackled a very difficult rehabilitation of these persons on any situation. He was suddenly faced land. So, the only conclusion that with a situation for which the Gov- we could draw from tnese premises ernment was not prepared at all, is this. It we are to accept and we hecause it was accidentally brought llhall have to accept, these incoming about by an unexpected explosion. refugees. and if We want living space Faced with that difficult situation, our for them, then Pakistan should be pre- Chief Minister exerted himself to the pared to accede living space from utmost and went without food and Pakistan for the rehabilitation of those sleep in devising measures to main- refugees in this country. tain peace and public tranqUillity. We saw the amount of anxiety that he Dr. M. S. Alley: How shall we get suffered; and the amount of care that it from them! he devoted to help the people who were in distress in any way. It is Shri p. K. Deo: I do not know a thing to be praised by all sides of how we shall get it from them and this House. how it would be !,<>ssible. Still, I feel, and I reiterate this stand which I have been having all along, that this Then I shaH alsO thank the Central is a h\U1Ulnitll-rian problem and this Ministry for having corne to the help is a problem of the people of the en- of West Bengal in tackling the di1ll.- tire sub-continent, which cannot be cult situation. They gave whatever aolved by India alone, but it is the ll.elp they could lender. But above joint effort of Pakistan and India alone all, I congratulate the citizens of Cal- that ean solve the human problem of cutta. It is to their r~ i that the this sub-continent. situation in Calcutta did not go out of control. The citizens of Calcutta I beg to submit, as had been sug- were determined that the city of '~ by some of my friends that it Calcutta must maintain peace and no is only a confederll-tion of India and quarter should be given to any dis- J:>akistan that can ~ ri to the turbers of any community or any prasperity of the people at large in hooligan of any ~ In fact, in this area "nd ~ the el).tirl! world. So, different areas of the city, the people that I!lIpec1 1).as to be stUdied, and that lhemselves combined to see that local ;pJ;"Oblern has to ~' ~ ~ P ~ . was ~in~ that Bhelter ~i ~ ; , wu given to n ~ who felt ~ ~ Memon re: MAGHA 23, 1885 (SAKA) Communal Disturb- 380 379 -.ee, ill East Pakistan and West Bengal was in any sort of fear. That hap- them and appealed to them and per- pened in my locality; it has happened suaded them not to go to Pakistan but in the locality of all our friends here to come back and stay in their own who are residents of Calcutta. There- homes. These are recorded facts. fore, credit must go to Calcutta itself Why should these be denied? Why and to its dtizens that the situation should these things not be admitted? in Calcutta did not take any very much ugly turn. In fact, as has been This is the life in the Indian IJtated by our Home Minister himself Republic. This is the culture and in Calcutta, the situation there was development of the past 16 years. By ereated mostly by a sort of hooligans; a sudden explosion in Kashmir or it was not a regular organised com- anywhere else, we cannot get out of munal disturbance or campaign or that life, even if we tried to do so:. anything of the kind-that did not That has been our training and the happen in Calcutta. So that credit tradition we have buHt up these Ie must go to the city of. Calcutta. years. We cannot shake off that tradition; we are determined that we But I was distressed when I heard shall not' shake oft that tradition now. my hon. friend, Shri H. N. Mukerjee. That is the position that obtained in This is a fact or feature of Calcutta Calcutta. life which is known to him and to me, but he 'put it in a way which gave How did the situation develop? 11 a very wrong impression of the Cal- originated in Kashmir, to which many cutta people. The impression that his hon. Members have referred. I speech carried was that the people request every Member to note this had risen up in arms, one section peculiar coincidence. Whenever against another, one section trying to Pakistan has a case to take to the UN. push out or dominate over another. there is trouble in Kashmir and simul- There was nothing like that in Cal- taneous trouble in East Bengal. I cutta. I say this with all the emphasis rl!rganisation, or through a joint sur- us to decide now with eyes wide open vey, to which up til! now Pakistan as to which consequence this minority has not agreed. will be pushed to.

Regarding the refugees who are earning, I should characterise them I had sent in a question about Raj- not as refugees. In Europe, they use shahi where a very influential Hindu two terms; one is '£'refugees", and the family were forced to conversion. The other is "expellees". In this case, they daughters and daughters-in-law were are expellees, because they are com- taken away and kept back, and the 'Peiled to leave the land under family was told that if they were ready eircum9tances which they cannot tole- to convert themselves, the girls would rate, under which they cannot live. be restored. Entirely helpless, the n security of life is disturbed, how family got ready to convert itself. can they live there? That is the process through which things are going on in Pakistan. It is for us now to decide which of the This thing has been going on from courses will predominate. and to which 1950, and it has corne to a head now, course the minoritv will be pushed. -and whether we invite them or not, Let us do it with full consciousness of the doors must be kept open to our responsibility, and with our eyes receive as many of them as want to wide open as to what it means to india come. For the present, I believe there if the entire 93 lakbs of people are are at least two lakhs immediately compelled to surrender themselves to ready to come, and the sufferings they this humiliating condition. undergo when coming are reported in the papers partly. The Pakistan -administration has developed an ~ ~ ~ : ~'l' r ~, 'Uncanny interest in women. The 'husband is allowed to come, and the ~~i ~~f~' ~ wife is kept back. There was a report ~ 'Ifr< ~ifi'f -ill ~ f;;m a<:tl Motion re: FEBRUARY 12, 1964 Communal DistuTbances 386 in East Pakistan and. West Bengal

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Tomorrow you may think of cular instance, they wanted to take the Christians, then Parsis and so on, the case of Kashmir to the U.N. Also, because your mind is conditioned that one has to remember that in East way and you think in those terms. Pakistan there is a movement for Luckily today we do not think in autonomy. The Bengal Press, the· those terms. Today I can stand and Press of East Bengal has beeR con- say that I belong to this country and demning this approach, this action. I am citizen of India; even 10,000 The people from West Punjab and people in any country anywhere in Uttar Pradesh who have come down. the world are not good enough to ex- and settled there wanted to oust the change place with me, whether it is people of Khulna. This is a sort of' Pakistan or United States. That is Nazification process. In this, if the· the stand I take. So, this talk about people get moral support from here· exchange of population is futile, and they put up a fight. they might. childish and mischievous. find a movement for provincial auto- nomy. After all, there is the whole· What remains is that you rehabili- world and there is, what is Called, a tate those people who come and give conscience. The finer feelina: is not-. them all comforts like employ- the confined to any country. I am sure, ment, etc. Those who come from if not today, tomorrow or the day East Pakistan are living in conditions after, the people from Pakistan itself" where the climate is humid. They will rise against these atrocities, are used to wet cultivation and we against this injustice. Otherwise, Sir, have not got enough land of that type the whole world would haVe been a· to give them. So, rehabilitation of different picture. people from East Pakistan is much more difficult than the rehabilitation 15.41 Jus. of people from Punjab. People for- [MR. SPEAxER in the Chair] get that. I am not against rehabili- tating them, but once you do that, do Shri p. R. Chakraverti (Dhanbad):' you solve the problem? The pro- Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am thankful tG blem remains, because the moment the hon. Home Minister for giving a· you take out some people from there, short account of the happenings in, you ma·ke weaker the peeple who are West Bengal and also in East Pakis- left behind. So, either you suck the tan. As a student of history, Profes- whole lot in, as SOme people suggest- sor Mukerjee has posed some ques- ed and there are 10 lakhs there. Do tions before this House. But as one· you mean to say that thousands should who has spent 45 years in East be killed before you give protection? Pakistan, in Bengal before it was That is an impossilble position. When partitioned, and also as one who' Mahatmaji was dealing with this claims to kn6W the technique of the struggle, he sent young girls in areas people who have sponsored the vivi- of great danger. They went, worked section of India and one who fought there and came back. Suppose you against the whole heirarchy of those close the borders of India and Pakis- fanatically communal minded people, tan. What will happen? There will ;r: am giving a little account of the be atrocity, murder and all that. history. As a student myself, also, of' They will stand and fight back just as i ~r , I may tell that this history is a cat fights a bull dog. So, if you wrltten by the pen dipped in the want to help really, you must create blood of my own men who fought confidence in the peoples themselves. against British imperialism and' That is the only way as far as I can against Muslim communalism from think, though this might look a very 1906. When Lord Curzon said that hard thing to say. Why is Pakistan the Bengal partition was a settled Moticm re: PmBRtJARY 12, liIM CommU1l41 Disturbances 402 i. BCJBt "Pakistan aM WI!8t Bengal [Shri P. R. Chakraverti] cent of the population of East Bengal fact, it was my people in Dacca, who happened to be Muslims. Out of took up the challenge and partition 21,000 people, only 6000 were alive, was annulled We did it at the cost when 1 reached the place. This is ,of the lives of millions of people, who the story of the people who were in are today knocking at the doors of power and did not care for their own India. I appeal to the Minister of brethern. It is not only fanatical External Affairs not to make them communalism, it is something more. -stand at the frontiers of India on the

In 1946, Sir, when 1 came out of the As I told on another occasion, ·prison I met the ministers from Dacca. Hindus are used as perpetual hostages, I was put in the prison because I as meat for the sandwitch, for the re- .opposed the Muslim communalism. I past of the majority community. The was the -elected leader of the Hindus people in power are fanatically seized _and Muslim students in the univer- with the sense of unsatiated greed for -sity. I was the elected member in blood. Those people always try to the university court for 12 years. divert the psychology of the people of -When 1 came back I met the five East Pakistan, both Muslims and ministers in Dacca who were saddled Hindus, in another direction, so that in office including 'the Prime Minister, they can trample the democratic ele- who is still aiive today, Mr. N-azimud- ments under their feet. Therefore, din. From Dacca to Narayanganj it young boys of the universities are is only 11 miles. There is a village throwing the challenge every day and called Siddiganj where 21,000 weavers are getting themselves shot. lived of which 15,000 were Muslims and 6,000 were Hindus. It is these So, sir, it is a very big melady and weavers who have been famous and that malady has crept into the body adept in the skill of producing politic of East Pakistan where you 'mtLr,lin' the finest fabric in the world. cannot expect an iota of justice being They ~ Jamdani saries which assured to the minority community. is still very popular in West Bengal. The Nehru-Liaquat Ali Pact was When I went to the village with the signed in 1950. I know that the Pact -Secretary of the Muslim League, Mr. guaranteed protection to the minority Shamsuddin, I told him that when the Community on an equal basis. But Muslim League Ministry was saddled who is going to make them to work in office, in 1943, people died. 70 per upto it. Who will force them to be- 403 Motion re: MAGRA ~, 1885 (oSAKA) Communal Disturb- 404- ances in East Pakistan and Wert Benga! have well. When we accept some- then Congress President, who happens thing, when we behave like good to be in the Opposition side now. I citizens and behave well, that is a be- had taken it up with the Prime Minis- haviourial pattern which we accept ter also so many times. Acharya in our life. We fight for freedom Kripalani, in his review before the and we want to grow in freedom. We Working Committee said: want to work for democracy and locialism. But that is denied there. "We cannot absolve ourselves Xt is a form of Nazism. We have from our responsibility towards heard of so many things I had the the minorities in Pakistan. They occasion of visiting the whole of were part of our nation as much Germany after the war. I heard as we are. They suftered and. about the ghettos anligaa .chambers. fOUght as our comrades in the People had to resort to so many things struggle for freedom. They be- there to kill the ~ n jews. I lieved fervently in the Congres& asked: "How is it PQlSible that Ger- ideals ofa united India, as we many which has produced the best did. scientists and philosophers in the world should' submit themselves to It is not they but we, who vot- this form of demoniac revelry which ed for the acceptance of the June only ends itself in carnages and 3 Plan, which has deprived them slaughters?" Sir, the recent happen- of the fruits of freedom. As ings in East Pakistan have been des- loyal Congressmen, they accepted . cribed as riots. It is not riots, I have our decision in good faith. They passed through all riots from 1906 to believed in our assurance that 1946. I have spent my life othrough their rights in Pakistan would be. them. It is genocide, it is carnage, adequately safeguarded. it is slaughter. When these descrip- tions are given, when something per- How can we disown responsi- colates through sisters of mine who bility towards them today? How had to elTace vermillion from their can We allow them to be treated foreheads, when these sisters tell their as worse than pariahs in Pakis-· tales of agony, it is agnoy of the the tan? How dare we deny or" slaughter that is presented before grudge them shelter when they India. The papers like the Anand come- to us, fleeing from terror' Bazar Patrika, the Juganta.,.;" Basu- worse than death?" m"ti, Hindustan Standard, Amrita Bazar Patrika and others give ac- count of stor:es related to them This is the statement of the President. by our sisters, who have become of the Indian National Congress. widows and also given up vermillion to cover the fact that they are Hindu When we from East Pakistan came- ladies. It is only a minor part of the here. we were told to stick to the story which is ·actually given. 'There- place where we rightly belonged. We fore, today, if we have to evaluate were fighters for freedom. We have this situation, as mv hon. friend Shri spent our whole life in the struggle Bhattacharyya was' saying, I know for freedom aga:nst British Imperial- that there is no other way for them ism and Muslim communalism, a except to /!et themselves killed and bitter communalism; from 1906 to- slaughtered. I shall now read out to 1911, the fight went on. Then King you the assurance given by the Cong- George V came here and he declared ress President in unmistakable terms, that the demand of Bengalis had to. the assurance which cannot be delet- be accepted. Again, from 1911 to· ed from the" historv of India. A 1947, We had to continue our fight definite assurance W8.s given to us, against this communalism and at the when We came .here-I was one of same' time we fought against British-. them-hy Acharya Kripalani, the imperialism also. Motion re: FEBRUARY 12, 1866 Commllfl4t DWrurbafiCes 406 .. BIIBt PGJciBtCln and Wen Bengal [Shri P. R. Chakravetri] have been preaching all throughout So many people say today that these 4Ind which we are trying to practise ;people are refugees. I represented in our daily life. From that point at .in the Delhi State Assembly, the big- view, I appeal to all members to .gest colony of West Pakistan Dis- u·ld.. rstand the agony of those people :placed Persons in Delhi, namely, and I know, each of them shares the :Rajendranagar, a colony of 60,000 feelings at mine. ,people. As I know the agonies and :feelings of these. people I became Sbri Sarendranath Dwivedi: When 'their representative and their spokes- is the Minister replying? .man in this very place when 8hri Mehr Chand Khanna was the adviser Mr. Speaker: Ordinarily, 1 should ·to Government. I represented the have called him now, but I find that .case of the people from NWF Pro- there are two' or three Members that 'vince to 8hri Mehr Chand Khanna I should call. So, I wiU ask the Minis- ;and 8hri Ajit Prasad Jain, because I ter ,to reply tomorrow. 'shared their agonies and feelings. 'They are not refugees but our own brethren. It is a responsibility which Shri. Tridib Kumar Cbaadhari (Berhampur): Mr. Speaker, we have 'We cannot disown. Let us not shirk 'Our responsibility. Let us under- heard from aU sides of the House about stand the problem of these people who the horrible things that happened ill 'are today seeking shelter in India be- East Pakistan during last month. 'cause they have had enough of the Some hon. Members from the other unsavoury experience in Pakistan. side expressed sUl'i>rise why there '"1'b.ey have lived so many years there. should be censure of the Government 'They have relied on the assurance un- for their failings; after all, when cer- 'lIlistakabl:; given out by the Congress tain repercussions took place in this President. Naturally, i!f today after country and communal peace was dis- 'BO many years of fight and struggle, turbed in Calcutta and adjoining areas, 'they seek shelter and come to the our Government took thE' sternest 'frontiers of India, I would appeal possible measures to put all these dis- 'through you, Sir, to the Minister, turbanees down. But it needs to be 'Please do not stand on technicalities pointed out that censure is called for, :and make them wait at the doors for not for the failure to do what ought getting a little shelter because they to h 1ve been done after the 'are our own men, our OWn kith and i r ~n broke out in Calcutta 'kin. It is they who fought for our and adjoining areas but censure is 'freedom, it is they who strengthened due because our Government com- 'our 'Congress organisation, it is be- placently kept its eYes shut to things 'cause of their fight that ultimately that were happening in Pakistan, things India became free. If India has be- tbat were brewing in Kashmir and the 'come "'free, it is because of their con- links that those things had with certain 'tribution. So, if they come here to- agencies in Pakistan. I would only 'day seeking shelter, we should not read out to you wha.t the President of 'from your lofty positions preach Pakistan himself said the other day in 'homilies, as we are accustomed to do. a broadcast speech to his countrymen. 'That sermon does not carry any In that broadcast, an authorised ver- 'meariing to them. sion of which was circulated by Pakis- tan Information Service, he relates the I am sure I am sharing the feelings e.ents in January:- . -of all the members of this House -..... hen I say that, it is not a party ''1 speak to you" (he speaks to ·question; it is a question of humanity; his countrymen) "when our hearts it is a question of culture; it is a are heavy and our feelings hurt 'Question of civilisation; it is a ques- over the tragic events of the past ttion of the ethical values which we month. These events were pre- Motion re: MAGHA 23, 1886 (SAKA) CommulI4l Disturb- ,",oS cmce, i" East Pakistan cznd West Bengcz! ceded by more than a year of Any Government which has a For- aCUte anxiety for us over the mas- eign Office and an effic'ent intelligent sive anns build-up in India on the service should have known that Pakis- pretext of the Chinese threat, tan was up to some mischief. Also, wh'ch nobody believe; in now." they ought to have known that in . order to stir up communal troubles "Then be goes on to say: Pakistan would like to select some suspectible plaCe in East Pakistan be- '"!'he systematic eviction of In- cause there is no minority prOblem left dian Muslims from Assam and Tri- 80 far as West Pakistan is concerned. pura .... has been a running sore in Pakistan's side, poisoning the al- readv strained relations between 1.... hn. the two countries." I would also like you to ponder up- 'Then he comes to Kashmir: on why Khulna was selected. Because Khulna was nearer to Calcutta and "The announcement that India was any communal trouble there was bound planning to absorb the State of to produce reprcussions in Calcutta. L~ and Kashmir, in disregard of Khulna is adjacent to Calcutta, almost intetnational obligations came as a on the borders of West Bengal. They further shock to all of us. That it knew it very well. It was a cool and was the last straw which broke the calculated move. Then the rest of the ·back of the long-suffering people of unfortunate happenings that we have Jammu and Kashmir is proved by been discussing for the last two days the upheaval which shock the State took place in inevitable sequence. ,during the last month. It was no . doubt set in motion by mysterious Now we are confronted with the theft of the holy relic from the question: What are we to do? I have Hazratbal shrine which injured the already said that sO far as West Pakis- religious susceptibilities, not only of tan or Punjab is cOncerned, there is no the Muslims of Occupied Kasmir but minerity problem. The minority prob- also of Pakistan." lem in Pakistan Is really the minority problem of East Pakistan. We have Just look at the way he puts it. There also to take note of the fact that in · was an announcement from India that East Pakistan the present Government · India was planning to absorb the State of Field Marshal Ayub Khan is ex- of Jammu and Kashmir. Then the tremely unpopular. As a matter of fact, ··theft takes place, which injures the re- a democratic upsurge is already taking ligious suspectibilities, not only of the shape there. So, they were doubly Muslims of Occupied Kashmir but also :nterested in fomenting some com- , of Pakistan. Then he goes on to say. munal trouble there to kill two birds with one stone; that is, firstly, to see "The happenings in Kashmir that the popular democratic movement have moved the heart of our people in Ea,t Pak'stan may be suppressed throughout the country. This is or sewerved to communal lines and shown by the fact, among others, submerged in a communal movement that in far off Khulna in East and, secondly, also to provoke com- Pakistan there was a burst of m:.Inal troubles in West Bengal as a public i ~ r because the repercussion so that they might utilise people's emotions had the better of the whole thing for their diplomatic their reason." purpose in their game of power politics over Kashmir in UNO and elsewhere. 'This is how Khulna is linked up with The timing of their tak'ng the Kashmir Kashmir and India', decision to in ~ casE' to the UNO for re-opening it is · rate Jammu and Kashmir with India. also to be noted. Motion re: FEBRUARY 12, 19M Communal Disturbance.. 41 0 .' in East Pakistan and West Bengal [Shri Tridib Kumar Chaudhurij He does not know about the intricacies All these things were happening and of our governmental organisation. He· our GOVl!rnment simply slept over has heard of Shri p. C. Sen who is the them. The first incidents took place in Chief Minister of West Bengal. He· Xhulna on the 3rd. From the 3rd to 9813:- tire 6th no precautionary measures were at all 1aken. Government took "By whatever means you can ·get it as if everything was going on nor- an interview with Shrl p. C. Sen mally. The Police force was not dep- and tell him that people of these loyed. The Army was not alerted. villages ...... ". The States were not alerted. That is He mentiODs abou.t 50 villages. how unfortunate incidents cOl,lld take place. I do not say that very bad inci- " .... do not want any monetary dents did not take place in Calcutta help or any rehabilitation. help and round-about that city; but Govern- from the Government of India. ment were not at all awake to the seri- All that they want is to take ouSness of the situation and were not shIter in India. If GOd helps us alive to the scheming. of Pakistan be- then WE' will run away to India hind all th'llSe things. and be saved there, At least do this thing. Tell Shrl P. C. Sen somehow I need not go into tire horrible de- or other to allow us to cross the tails of the things tha·t happened in border." Pakistan and that are still happening. They have not died down. The main That is the plaintive appeal that is' problem with which we are confronted earning to us from there and the tra- today 1s tire problem of rescuing a gedy of the thing is that in spite of' marooned and trapped minority. I have the Nehru-Liaquat Pact, in spite of' here in my hands a letter sent out from BlIBUl'ances that we have given and Pakistan. If anybody wants to see it, that the Pakistan Government have he can. Here I have got the stamped given from time to time, in spite of envelope. Unfortunately the letter is everything they ar.. not allowed to written in Bengali but I am giving the come even if they have valid migration translation. In this letter this poor fol- certificates and travel papers. As late· low has written to his relation and has as the 10th February it has been re- nld:- ported in the Statesman that Shri P. C. Sen felt impelled to write a letter to· the East Pakistan Government request- "Do not worry about us. Our life is like a drop of water on a ing them to take steps to step harass- ment of intending migrants from East lotus leaf. Leave Us to the mercy Pakistan to India. Shri Chatterjee re- of God. The Bengali Muslims on lated how people who were coming both sides of the rivers are . doing away and wanted ·to cross the border us much good. They are giving us were taken down from the train and shelter. If they had not done this, taken to refugee camps tinder armed we would have been destroyed. Al- guard. They will not be allowed to-· ready the village of Chenga Bunia come away. Kandi has been demolished and burnt down to ashes. 40 to 50 peo- It is not a question of our opening ple have been killed." the border. I am coming to that ques- tion later on. Now it is a question cr- Then. he give, some details :md makes pressing upon the Pakistan Govern- an appeal. It is the appeal that I want ment that those people who-want to to put before you and before the hon. come away must be allowed to come· Home Minister and other hon. Ministers freely under the terms of the N-ehrll- Who are sitting there. He says:- Liaquat Agreement. Many hon. Mem-· bers have referred to the Nehru-Lia-· "You do one thinI"'. quat .Agre-ement. I ask the Govem-· 4II Motion re: MAGHA 23, 1885 (SAKA) Commu.naL Distu.rb- ~ ances in East Pakistan and West Benga.L ment and every hon. Member of Parlia- abrogated the terms of the Pact. Our ment m all seriousness, "Has this pact President made a joint appeal to the any validity Or not?" Some hon. Mem- respectlV., peoples of both the coun- bers here tell us that if Pakistan does tnes, but Inat was refused. The hon. not honour the pact, what can we do- Home Mmi.;ter appealed that the Home If they can break it unilaterally, I ask Ministers oi both the countries and the the Government in all seriousness. respective State Chief Ministers should "Can you not tear up this pact and tour the affected areas. That appeal invoke all international sanctions, was also turned down. That request whatever sanctions you are capable 01 was also in consonance with the terms invoking. Forget Whether they ar" of the Nehru-Liaquat Ali Agreement Hindus, Christains or Tribals; just What more do you want Pakistan to think of them as human beings. Can do, to tell you that the Pact has been you not do something to rescue those abrogated sO far as they are concerned? human Deings from the targic fate in You formally notify them and after which they find themselves? I ask the notifying that if you find them irres- Government in all seriousness as to pensive, you take the question of East ;~ ' it happens that every time Pakis- Pakistan menorities to the United tan: i:i ~ go, whether It is in 1948 or in Nations. I hope this has been deposit- 1950, to .;Wtill r~, 11lf li '~ ij;

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