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The Bears Pit Chambered for 5.45X39mm and with a 2-Round Burst That Fires at an Estimated 1800Rnds/Min Subject: THE GUN THAT NEVER WAS: Heckler & Koch G11 Posted by abradley on Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:37:00 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message THE GUN THAT NEVER WAS: Heckler & Koch G11 It had it all -- accuracy, ease of use, and a revolutionary "caseless ammunition" system that might have changed the way rifles are made -- but the Heckler & Koch G11 rifle was never put into mass production. What happened to this unique rifle? Continued Soldier Tech Subject: Re: THE GUN THAT NEVER WAS: Heckler & Koch G11 Posted by Forsaken on Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:26:00 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message Well, as far as I know that programm was sacked because of the caliber. You know, 4.7mm is not a Nato-Standard as 7.62 or 5.56. Therefore the G36 pattern with 5.56 was followed, since the greater calibers like 7.62 are not used so often any more with assault rifles - because of the increased weight. Of course another reason why the G11 didn't make it into production was a cost thing. Were there any serious possibilities to sell that weapon? I don't think so, and since the German military budget gets smaller and smaller, they couldn't afford it then. If you're interested in such things you might want to check on this site: world.guns.ru - Forsaken Subject: Re: THE GUN THAT NEVER WAS: Heckler & Koch G11 Posted by grindedstone on Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:25:00 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message belive me the g11 is a fav amonst many ja2 players/fans sadly (in the terms of this gun not making it) forsaken is correct. Subject: Re: THE GUN THAT NEVER WAS: Heckler & Koch G11 Posted by DNA from the Lowlands on Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:10:00 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message Perhaps you'd like the AN-94 Abakan. Page 1 of 13 ---- Generated from The Bears Pit Chambered for 5.45x39mm and with a 2-round burst that fires at an estimated 1800rnds/min. (HKG11 @ 2000 rpm) Subject: Re: THE GUN THAT NEVER WAS: Heckler & Koch G11 Posted by Paingod556 on Fri, 03 Mar 2006 23:31:00 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message The G-11 is proof of German engineering brilliance. It was advanced, robust, and easy to use- during testing, the weapons were heated, frozen, kicked, droped in water and mud, as was the ammunition. Testing was so extreme, several guns and a case of ammo was dropped out of an airplane. And yet, it still out-performed the G3A3. The reason it never went into production, despite its outstanding field test results, is because the Cold War was about to end, and the German government wasn't concerned anymore about new weapons development. Instead, they went for a cheaper alternative, the G36, a heavily modified 5.56mm G3. I think, in total, there were about 500 of them built, and not much ammo either. And in JA2, it does rock hard. Subject: Re: THE GUN THAT NEVER WAS: Heckler & Koch G11 Posted by AZAZEL on Mon, 06 Mar 2006 17:39:00 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message Errm, exactly what do you do with 3 expensive bullets hitting the same spot when the first one already does the job? Not in the game,I mean... Subject: Re: THE GUN THAT NEVER WAS: Heckler & Koch G11 Posted by Sweeper on Sat, 11 Mar 2006 07:21:00 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message @AZAEL: To put it simply, you will never hit DEAD onm the reason is simple. Imagine that we have a G11, we remove the firing system and instead put a red dot visible laser in the barrel. And if you were to keep that laser dot centered on a wall in front of you at 300 meters or so. You would most likely be unable to keep it 100% steady. Based on that, the little burst will hit areas surrounding the first impact but not dead on the same spot. G11 is an impressive weapon, even though it may have failed in real life. Page 2 of 13 ---- Generated from The Bears Pit It will continiue to "Own" in the virtual battlefields in several games. Including Jagged Alliance 2. Subject: Re: THE GUN THAT NEVER WAS: Heckler & Koch G11 Posted by Harper on Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:03:00 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message Maybe the book or the report may help: - "Die G11 Story" by Wolfgang Seel (German) - "The Development Status of the Heckler & Koch G11 Rifle with Caseless Ammunition" by Jim Schatz I don't know to what extend the G11 technology has been used to develop the new rifle XM8 or HK416 . Subject: Re: THE GUN THAT NEVER WAS: Heckler & Koch G11 Posted by Holywhippet on Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:22:00 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message Quote:Originally posted by AZAZEL: Errm, exactly what do you do with 3 expensive bullets hitting the same spot when the first one already does the job? Not in the game,I mean... One of the reasons for building the G11 is that one is not enough. Unless you hit somewhere vital, a single bullet isn't likely to kill. They figured that you'd want to put about 3 rounds in someone to either kill or incapacitate them. I never used the G11 in Jagged Alliance 2 much though. It's armour piercing nature and burst accuracy are good - but the accuracy range for it is only about 30M or so IIRC. I prefer something like the Steyr with 50M of accuracy. Not to mention how hard it was to get more ammo for it - Tony was about the only source and he wasn't especially reliable for it. Subject: Re: THE GUN THAT NEVER WAS: Heckler & Koch G11 Posted by Drake on Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:48:00 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message The Steyr AUG is the best assault rifle in the game; but with new gun and magazine selections in the mods being offered now, a LMG or a heavy rifle is preferable for mercs that can handle the weight. Buns and Ira seem to kill alot with a Steyr AUG. I've often wondered if certain mercs are better with certain weapons; perhaps it's just her dexterity. The G11 is also a very good women's rifle. They (Buns, Ira, Fox) seem to be able to drill any man with that tool. Har. Lockless ('caseless') ammo is the way to go, at least until we develop a universal field compression/explosion/kinetic/whatever system to replace 18th century technology. Page 3 of 13 ---- Generated from The Bears Pit Subject: Re: THE GUN THAT NEVER WAS: Heckler & Koch G11 Posted by Ash on Tue, 28 Mar 2006 05:26:00 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message I don't think the Steyr is that much better then the FAMAS, C-7 or the FN-FAL. The FAMAS and C-7 have excellent burst fire rates and the FN-FAL is to me the best weapon (can't rationally explain it, but I think the bullit that gun uses is the best bullit in the game). I must admit, I don't use 'snipers' or very long range tactics, I attack at night at closer ranges. Subject: Re: THE GUN THAT NEVER WAS: Heckler & Koch G11 Posted by Harper on Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:11:00 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message I don't think as well that the Steyr AUG is the best weapon. In heavy combat it simply fires too slow. The best rifles are the C-7 for mercenaries with the "Automatic Weapon" trait and the FN-FAL for other mercenaries. The G11 is another great option as well. All these weapons (modified) can be bursted up to three times in a mercenary's combat phase, and that is what makes them so great. Subject: Re: THE GUN THAT NEVER WAS: Heckler & Koch G11 Posted by AZAZEL on Wed, 29 Mar 2006 01:38:00 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message I tend to give the G11 to psychos lately. Y'know:big mag,possibly 3 bursts per turn,only one extra point waisted on their destructive mood...(and I duplicate ammo for Maddog like a...) Subject: Re: THE GUN THAT NEVER WAS: Heckler & Koch G11 Posted by pambos on Sat, 29 Apr 2006 03:11:00 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message http://www.hkpro.com/g11.htm Tons of info . Subject: Re: THE GUN THAT NEVER WAS: Heckler & Koch G11 Posted by CCKeane on Mon, 01 May 2006 04:11:00 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message I've had good experiences with the Steyr, mostly because I think it's the first REALLY good rifle. It Page 4 of 13 ---- Generated from The Bears Pit and the dragnov were the first guns that I got that I wished everybody in my party had. It does start to get a little less useful once the C-7 and all come along, but it's still a soild performer. Subject: Re: THE GUN THAT NEVER WAS: Heckler & Koch G11 Posted by Paingod556 on Sun, 21 May 2006 22:58:00 GMT View Forum Message <> Reply to Message I found out something that may relate to the 'why we need superfast double/triple burst' question.... In Vietnam, Aussie troops had the SLR L1A1, a licence build of the FN FAL.
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