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(Many Thanks to Marina for Sharing This Discussion) Sat Jan 30, 1993 Many years ago, in the beginning of Beauty and the Beast fandom, George Martin, one of the show’s producers and writers, was a member of an on-line BatB discussion group. He had a lot of very interesting info to share about his experiences behind the scenes - an explodes a lot of persistant fandom myths about the series. (Many thanks to Marina for sharing this discussion) These are comments by George RR Martin, in response to some fan questions which were part of a complex discussion among participants between January 30, 1993 and May 7, 1995. Questions can usually be inferred from the answers. Sat Jan 30, 1993 Certainly all of us on the show knew that Catherine’s death would be hard for many people to accept. We certainly never just shrugged and said, “Okay, she dies, we’ll get another one.” CBS might have liked us to, I will admit -- once it was clear that Linda was leaving, and we had made the decision not to recast, the network strongly urged us to “get it over with and move on.” Instead, we produced the arc. Say what you want about the arc, but it was in no sense a “getting it over with.” Catherine may have been dead, but her memory and her presence DRENCHED the third season, impacting on every character, shaping their dialogue, their actions, their very look on life. Never in the entire history of television has a dead character been mourned so long and so grievously by so many. Compare, if you will, REASONABLE DOUBTS. A fine show in its own life. The character who played Mark Harmon’s girlfriend on the show was killed in the season premiere, and avenged in the same two hour film, and has hardly been refered to since. Life there has moved on. That was what CBS wanted us to do with Catherine. That was what made no emotional or artistic sense to us. Instead, we wrought a produced a kind of extended ten-hour dirge for Catherine Chandler. Artistically, I remain very proud of the third season arc. At the end of “Invictus,” when Diana shoots Gabriel and says, “This was Catherine Chandler’s gun,” it still sends shivers dwon my spine... even though I wrote those words myself. Commercially, CBS may have been correct. In doing the “right thing,” we may have killed the show we all loved. Viewers come to television to be entertained... perhaps they were simply not ready to accept the levels of rage and pain and despair and grief that we served them up that year. We served them up because we felt it was true, that this was what WOULD happen to Vincent and his world if Catherine died... but that did not make it any more fun to watch. Don’t read me wrong here. I am all in favor of art dealing with hard, tough issues and emotions. Tears are as much a part of life as are laughter, and a good show includes them all. But in TV you need a balance. In the previous seasons, we could do “Orphans” or “Chamber Music” one week, and “When the Bluebird Sings” or “Everything IS Everything” the next. The third season was “Orphans” every week, and I think that is why it failed. 1 Sun Jan 31, 1993 There are always plenty of things that one can blame the network for, but the “darkness” of B&B is not one of them. We -- the writers and producers -- probably have to take the blame for that. CBS, like all the networks, abhors dark shows, and that was probably the last thing they wanted for B&B. To be sure, after the ratings begin to slip second season, the network did insist on “more action,” and it was that dictate that got episodes like “The Outsiders” and “The Hollow Men” rushed into production (indeed, the latter was an aborted first season script called “Thrill” that had been rewritten several times, but never into anything ‘that anyone wanted to produce’)... but what you have to understand was that, for the networks, action/violence and “darkness” are two different things. The networks love actions show like THE A-TEAM or THE INCREDIBLE HULK, where there’s lots of shooting and punching, but no real emotional impact to any of it. Clean, “sanitized” violence is the TV way. On B&B, however, our artistic integrity got in the way. We were perfectly willing to do non-violent shows, on the lines of “Bluebird” and “Brothers,” but if we were going to be forced to include “action,” we damn well INSISTED that we were going to be real about it. Death would have consequences. Killing would be followed by remorse and grief. We would examine both sides of violence -- its horrors, and its dark allure. I think we did that, perhaps better than any show in television history. I also think it may have helped hasten our demise. But I don’t regret the choice we made, nor would I do it differently. Only a cretin would trade the two-and-a-half years of B&B we produced for ten or twenty of THE INCREDIBLE HULK. Sat Feb 20, 1993 Television viewers have seldom demonstrated any desire for “realism.” Although what you’re actually talking about here is less realism than naturalism, as these terms are usually defined. Are you folks seriously suggesting you wanted to see Catherine drenched in blood, with lots of graphic detail about the on-camera disposition of the afterbirth? Not that we would ever have gotten that filmed ever if we’d written it. It scarcely fits the network definitions of entertainment. Television -- like virtually ALL art -- operates on the assumption of the implied ellipsis. That is to say, we assume that you know or can infer that certain things took place, even if they are not shown on the screen or referred to in dialogue. Vincent was never shown eating, for example, because Ron Koslow felt that a scene of him wolfing down cookies and milk, or making a grilled cheese sandwich, rather undermined the mythic grandeur of the character. Nonetheless, it was never our intent to imply that he did NOT eat. We simply chose not to show it. Most TV shows treat childbirth scenes with the device of the implied ellipsis, showing only those portions that advance the plot. This is not intended to imply that the rest never happens. 2 Thu Feb 25, 1993 The third season arc was originally intended to fill all twelve of the hours that CBS had ordered. We were partway into it when several of us decided that things were being drawn out too much, and campaigned to wrap up the arc at ten hours, leaving the last two hours for unconnected post- arc episodes. I was one of those who wanted to truncate the arc; I wanted to get to “Invictus,” which I was scheduled to write, and I simply did not feel we had enought plot for twelve hours. Had I known the the two hours we freed up would be used for “Legacies” and “The Reckoning” (or whatever they were called, I may have a block against remembering those titles), I would have been on the other side. I’m proud of the third season... but not of those two final episodes, which I think rank down among our worst. There was never any plan for a 22-hour arc. If I understand Pat’s posts correctly, she is suggesting that the first “half” of the arc inplied the second, or that this completion somehow existed in our creative sub- conscious, but it certainly was never anything we ever talked about. The arc was over. We did have -- or maybe I should say, “I” did have, since Alex and Howard were leaving the show -- some great plans for future episodes, including the solution to the mystery of the rings and a major new villain (we had hopes of getting James Earl Jones), but the “second half” of the arc that Pat describes so eloquently was in no way part of those plans. Sorry. Wed Mar 17, 1993 The bestiality thing was a concern with certain network execs, and some crazed viewers out there, but it was not the reason for the “no-kissing” rule. Koslow, Witt-Thomas, and CBS were all afraid of going too fast and losing the sexual tension. Many of us felt there should have been a real kiss at the end of “A Happy Life,” but we lost that fight. Howard and Alex finally got a kiss into “Orphans,” of course... but actually, I never felt that was the best place for it. I desperately wanted a kiss for the end of the chess scene in “A Kingdom by the Sea,” after Catherine tells Vincent that she wished it had been him instead of Elliott, but Ron wouldn’t hear of it. You’d be surprised how many scripts had kisses in them early on. The thing you have to remember, however, is that right up through the trilogy, all of us on the show were quite confident that B&B would run four or five seasons, minimum. The day that Tony Thomas phoned me and said CBS had only picked us up as a 12-episode mid-season, instead of giving us a full order for 22 and a place on the fall schedule, I was shocked. I really never saw it coming. Then we had the bombshell of Linda leaving us, which everyone knows about, and the less-heralded but equally crucial replacement of Kim LeMasters by Jeff Sagansky, and..
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