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Viewweb/Contentfetcher?Commentpar National Fire Protection Association Report https://submittals.nfpa.org/TerraViewWeb/ContentFetcher?commentPar... Public Comment No. 97-NFPA 1700-2018 [ Global Input ] Type your content here ...Metal Roofs have change fires in structures. I belong to a small rural volunteer fire department which has on average a 7 minute in service time and longer response times. By the time of arrival fires generally have escalated and burned through a ceiling and into the attic space. On asphalt roofs the fire would burn though and self-vent. With the increased of metal roofs, what is happening is the fire cannot vent and is traveling the attic space. The metal is causing the fire and heat to impinge on roof supports long with higher heat causing a failure more rapidly. The metal roofs also hamper roof ventilation due to the ability of roof screws having an enormous holding psi. One screw can exhaust a firefighter trying to pull it loose. We have found a screw gun is much quicker. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment Metal Roofs have change fires in structures. I belong to a small rural volunteer fire department which has on average a 7 minute in service time and longer response times. By the time of arrival fires generally have escalated and burned through a ceiling and into the attic space. On asphalt roofs the fire would burn though and self-vent. With the increased of metal roofs, what is happening is the fire cannot vent and is traveling the attic space. The metal is causing the fire and heat to impinge on roof supports long with higher heat causing a failure more rapidly. The metal roofs also hamper roof ventilation due to the ability of roof screws having an enormous holding psi. One screw can exhaust a firefighter trying to pull it loose. We have found a screw gun is much quicker. Related Item • nfpa 1700 Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: Don McGuire Organization: Campbell County Rural Fire Affiliation: President of board of directors Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Sun Nov 11 04:46:51 EST 2018 Committee: FCO-AAA Committee Statement Committee Rejected Action: Resolution: No suggested change was submitted with the public comment. The document recognizes the inherent dangers associated with vertical ventilation by having firefighters of rooftops.The standard recommends applying water through the roof soffits and/or gable vent openings for attic fire control. 1 of 157 5/16/2019, 2:43 PM National Fire Protection Association Report https://submittals.nfpa.org/TerraViewWeb/ContentFetcher?commentPar... Public Comment No. 19-NFPA 1700-2018 [ Section No. 1.1 ] 1.1 Scope. This guide addresses structural fire-fighting strategy , tactics, and tasks as tactics as supported by science-based research. Removed "and tasks" Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment Justification: The remainder of the proposed standard does not break down into task level details. There is a strategy chapter and a tactics chapter but no chapter on tasks. There are thousands of fire ground tasks and they cannot possibly all be put into a standard. Related Item • PI? Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: Eric Maurouard Organization: Olean Fire Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Sep 20 08:09:57 EDT 2018 Committee: FCO-AAA Committee Statement Committee Action: Accepted Resolution: SR-11-NFPA 1700-2019 Statement: Proposed guideline does not break down into task level details. 2 of 157 5/16/2019, 2:43 PM National Fire Protection Association Report https://submittals.nfpa.org/TerraViewWeb/ContentFetcher?commentPar... Public Comment No. 20-NFPA 1700-2018 [ Sections 1.2, 1.3 ] Sections 1.2, 1.3 1.2 Purpose. The purpose of this document is to provide guidance for the development of policies, procedures, and guidelines including strategies, tactics, and tasks for structural firefighting supported by science-based research. Removed "and tasks" for same reason as section 1. 1. 1. 3 Application. The intent of this guide is to provide guidance on the application of science-based fire dynamics research supporting fire-fighting practices recognizing that life safety of the public and the first responder is the highest incident priority, followed by incident stabilization and property conervation . Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment 1.2 - Justification is the same as 1.1. 1.3 - Justification: You currently do not mention the 3 incident priorities until section 10.4.2. In my opinion, they should be mentioned earlier in the document. On a side note: I suggest a title revision to the standard. (There is no place to edit the actual title so I'm doing it here) Section 1.3 reads "The intent of this guide is to provide guidance on the application of science-based fire dynamics research supporting fire-fighting practices..." The title NFPA 1700 should be changed to specifically reflect this. Currently the title is "NFPA 1700: The Guide to Structural Firefighting", but this standard only focuses on "water and air" based on fire dynamic research. It is in fact, in its current capacity, not a complete guide to structural firefighting. A true guide to structural firefighting would cover everything from water supply, search, command and ICS, controlling utilities, laddering the building, RIT, forcible entry, etc... If you only intend to discuss fire dynamic research as it can be applied to fire attack, then you should name the standard accordingly. Related Item • PI Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: Eric Maurouard Organization: Olean Fire Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Sep 20 08:23:25 EDT 2018 Committee: FCO-AAA Committee Statement Committee Action: Rejected but see related SR Resolution: SR-12-NFPA 1700-2019 Statement: Task level elements are not addressed in the guideline. 3 of 157 5/16/2019, 2:43 PM National Fire Protection Association Report https://submittals.nfpa.org/TerraViewWeb/ContentFetcher?commentPar... Public Comment No. 21-NFPA 1700-2018 [ Section No. 3.3.34 ] 3.3.34 * Decontamination. The process of removing contaminants such as soot, particulate, and fireground chemicals to clean fireground tools and equipment and prevent the spread of contamination to other persons or equipment. 3.3.34.1 Dry Decontamination. Utilizing forced airflow or brushing off of personnel, PPE, apparatus, tools, and equipment to reduce contaminants. 3.3.34.2 Gross Decontamination. The initial phase of the decontamination process during which the amount of surface contaminant is significantly reduced by removing bulk contaminants and substances from the surface of the equipment or tools using some form of brushing, wetting agent, and/or detergents. 3.3.34.3 Wet Decontamination. Utilizing water or a water and soap solution to reduce contaminants on personnel, PPE, apparatus, tools, and equipment. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment Decontamination should be its own standard. Remove decontamination from the definitions and Chapter 11 in its entirety. Related Item • PI Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: Eric Maurouard Organization: Olean Fire Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Sep 20 08:57:14 EDT 2018 Committee: FCO-AAA Committee Statement Committee Action: Rejected Resolution: Definitions are required to support concepts in Chapter 11. 4 of 157 5/16/2019, 2:43 PM National Fire Protection Association Report https://submittals.nfpa.org/TerraViewWeb/ContentFetcher?commentPar... Public Comment No. 22-NFPA 1700-2018 [ Section No. 3.3.35 ] 3.3.35 Defensive Strategy. The plan for the actions or movements of the arriving fire of fire department units to protect exposures and control the contain the main body of fire with the intent to not enter the fire building. the already-affected areas. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Comment Remove "the arriving" Justification: Strategy is not solely an initial plan for "arriving units". Strategy can change late in the incident after all units have arrived. Saying strategy is for arriving units is just confusing. Remove "control"; replace with "contain" Justification: In a defensive strategy we often allow the fire to burn uncontrolled so long as it is contained to the area that is already burning. Contain is just a better word to use here. If you don't like "contain" my second preference would be "confine" which is what is used in RECEO-VS. Remove "with the intent to not enter the fire building" Defensive strategies are not limited to exterior operations. You can implement a defensive strategy to protect interior exposures. Tactics such as shelter in place or trench cuts (with hose lines on the top floor under the trench cuts) are interior defensive tactics to fulfill a defensive strategy. Add "contain the main body of fire to the already affected areas" This is the true essence of what a defensive strategy is. We are writing off buildings or portions of the building that we cannot save and focusing our efforts to protect interior or exterior exposures. Related Public Comments for This Document Related Comment Relationship Public Comment No. 25-NFPA 1700-2018 [Section No. 3.3.146] Related Item • PI Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name: Eric Maurouard Organization: Olean Fire Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Thu Sep 20 09:02:44 EDT 2018 Committee: FCO-AAA Committee Statement Committee Accepted Action: Resolution: SR-19-NFPA 1700-2019 5 of 157 5/16/2019, 2:43 PM National Fire Protection Association Report https://submittals.nfpa.org/TerraViewWeb/ContentFetcher?commentPar... Statement: The TC removed "the arriving," whereas strategy is not solely an initial plan for "arriving units". Strategy can change late in the incident after all units have arrived. Saying strategy is for arriving units is just confusing. In addition "control" is replaced with "contain", and "with the intent to not enter the fire building" is removed.
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