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Thursday Volume 493 4 June 2009 No. 85 HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD) Thursday 4 June 2009 £5·00 © Parliamentary Copyright House of Commons 2009 This publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Parliamentary Click-Use Licence, available online through the Office of Public Sector Information website at www.opsi.gov.uk/click-use/ Enquiries to the Office of Public Sector Information, Kew, Richmond, Surrey TW9 4DU; Tel: 0044 (0) 208876344; e-mail: [email protected] 373 4 JUNE 2009 374 We are strong supporters of the United Nations House of Commons framework convention on climate change adaptation fund, and we have given a considerable sum of money Thursday 4 June 2009 to the climate resilience programme, which is enabling countries to adapt. In Zambia, we are helping people living on the Zambezi flood plain to protect their crops The House met at half-past Ten o’clock against damage caused by flooding; in Lesotho, we are helping people establish small gardens to make them PRAYERS less vulnerable to food shortage caused by drought; and in Bangladesh, we are helping people to raise their homes on plinths to protect them from the seasonal [MR.SPEAKER in the Chair] rains. This country has led the way on climate change, not only on mitigation but on adaptation. Mr. Peter Lilley (Hitchin and Harpenden) (Con): Oral Answers to Questions First, I congratulate the Secretary of State. I want to ask the Minister whether the Government’s policy is based on ideology or science. She knows that for a theory to be scientific, it must be capable of being ENERGY AND CLIMATE CHANGE refuted by the evidence. Given that we have had three decades of rising temperatures, followed by a decade of The Secretary of State was asked— stable and slightly falling temperatures worldwide, how many decades would she require before she were convinced Global Population that the theory on which she is committing £400 billion of taxpayers’ money might be slightly wrong? 1. Martin Linton (Battersea) (Lab): What recent Joan Ruddock: The right hon. Gentleman is very discussions he has had with his international fond of quoting rather alarmist figures— counterparts on the effects of climate change on the global population; and if he will make a statement. Mr. Lilley: They are your figures. [277918] Joan Ruddock: Indeed, they are our figures, but we The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Energy are talking about a sum of money that will be spent and Climate Change (Joan Ruddock): May I first apologise over more than 40 years, whereas the right hon. Gentleman for the absence of my right hon. Friend the Secretary of presents it as if it were all for today. The issue that he State this morning? His partner, Justine, gave birth to a has raised about science is very important. Scientists son on Tuesday, so he is taking paternity leave—thanks, have been predicting for decades the effects of global of course, to the policy of this Government. warming, and the predicted effects are indeed happening. He needs to look at sea level rises, for example, which To answer the question, the Secretary of State has have been consistent, and the predictions are very extreme frequent discussions with his international counterparts indeed. Where he claims that the temperature has gone on the effects of climate change on the global population. down, that is very much a short-term phenomenon. Adaptation to the impacts of climate change is a key When the period of temperature rises is measured against priority for international climate change negotiations, all historic records, it is very unusual. The consensus and we recognise that the effects of climate change will opinion of world scientists is that it extremely likely that have the greatest impacts on the poorest and most all these effects are man-made. Even if he does not vulnerable countries. believe in the science, he should believe in taking action to adapt to what is happening—whatever the causes Martin Linton: I congratulate the Secretary of State might be. We are quite clear as a Government that the and his partner on this new addition to world population. consensus of world scientists is that this is a man-made Has my hon. Friend the Under-Secretary read Kofi phenomenon. We must take proper steps to tackle the Annan’s report for the Global Humanitarian Forum, continuing rise in greenhouse gas emissions, and we will showing that climate change is now responsible for do so. 300,000 deaths a year—98 per cent. of them in developing countries? Has she also seen the forecast that if emissions Colin Challen (Morley and Rothwell) (Lab): Quite are not brought under control, climate change will right too. My hon. Friend will know that the Waxman- create 75 million refugees by 2034? Markey Bill on tackling climate change is working its way through the US Congress, but it has already been Joan Ruddock: I thank my hon. Friend for bringing watered down somewhat—and it has not yet reached that most important report to the House’s attention. I the Senate. That suggests that the Bill could be watered have indeed seen the report and the figures that he has down more. mentioned. We have absolutely no doubt that that adds Considering that background, if we are to have higher to the pressure that we all as part of the international ambitions in the EU based on a deal, should we not community properly need to absorb and bring to the have benchmarks in place—I do not ask my hon. Friend discussions at Copenhagen at the end of this year. We to reveal those now, as they are obviously a matter of will not get a global deal unless we can help developing negotiation—to say that other annexe 1 countries, which countries to adapt to the effects of climate change, one hopes the United States will soon become, should which are already happening and are, of course, the have higher standards and a better approach than that responsibility of the developed world. represented by the Waxman-Markey Bill? 375 Oral Answers4 JUNE 2009 Oral Answers 376 Joan Ruddock: We are most optimistic about the Hitchin and Harpenden (Mr. Lilley) by saying that we commitment made by President Obama, who has said cannot go on acidifying the sea because the changes in that the US will lead in the climate change talks. His that environment have gone way too far? That powerful Secretary of State has said that the US is determined to argument for reducing carbon dioxide emissions is rarely see that the talks produce a result, and we are confident used. that it will play a proper part. Mr. O’Brien: My hon. Friend is right that we need to My hon. Friend is correct about the Bill—it has been ensure that we are aware of the acidification of the sea somewhat watered down—and we are encouraging the and that we recognise it as part of the overall development Administration to have the greatest possible ambition: of a transport and environment policy. they are engaged; they accept the science; and they have negotiators with a positive approach. We believe that The Government have been clear about the fact that we will be able to achieve a global deal. It will be we want real investment to go into developing vehicles important that there is a commitment by the US to that are less polluting—indeed, are low polluting—of make the emissions reduction that is required by 2050, the atmosphere. That is why we put £100 million into which is 80 per cent. for developed countries. Already, supporting research and demonstration of new vehicles the President has said that the US can make that and £250 million has been announced for consumer commitment. It is in a difficult situation because of the incentives in coming years for lower-carbon vehicles. history under the previous Administration. We understand There is a £20 million procurement of low-carbon vehicles that, but there is a great deal of good will. This is a for the Government and a £2.3 billion package of matter of negotiation, and we will continue to press the support for the automotive sector in the downturn, Administration for the greatest possible ambition. which has been tailored to support the development of low-carbon products. Road Transport (Emissions) Mr. John Randall (Uxbridge) (Con): Does the Minister 2. Andrew Selous (South-West Bedfordshire) (Con): agree that his Government’s proposal to expand Heathrow What recent discussions he has had with the Secretary will inevitably lead to increased road transport and of State for Transport on the reduction of carbon increased carbon dioxide emissions? dioxide emissions arising from road transport. [277919] Mr. O’Brien: As part of the process of developing The Minister of State, Department of Energy and our transport policy, particularly in relation to Heathrow, Climate Change (Mr. Mike O’Brien): I join in the we have ensured that we have clear targets for emissions congratulations offered to my right hon. Friend the reduction. Clearly, bringing aviation into our climate Secretary of State and his partner on the birth of their change policies is part of that. In relation to road son. There are regular discussions between Departments. transport and Heathrow, we want to ensure that we Indeed, on 19 May, the Secretaries of State discussed develop policies on hybrid and electric vehicles that will carbon budgets. reduce overall emissions from motor vehicles in the coming decades. Andrew Selous: The Minister may be aware of the Chinese company BYD, which is spending billions on Greg Clark (Tunbridge Wells) (Con): Will the Minister developing the battery-powered cars of the future.