1943. LEGISL'.ATIVE JOURNAL-HOUSE. 671
An Act authorizing ihe State Boa1·d of Medical Educa And said bill having been read at length the first time, tion and i c ensu~re to fasue temporary pei·mlts to doctors Ordered, To be laid aside for second reading. of mecliciDe legally licensed in other states to practice medicine .:md surgery jn this State under cerLain condi tions for :I. llmJted period or time. Agreeably to order, The Senate proceeded to the first reading and con He also, from the Committee on Public Health, reported sideration of Senate Bill No. 235, entitled: as commi-ted, House Bill No. 236, entitled: An Ad authorizing the State Boa.rd of Medical Educa Lion and Licensure to issue temporary permits to doctors of An Act reducing for a llmlted period of time the train medicine legally licensed in other states to practice medi ing pel'iocl of me~ica~ foter.nesb.ip ln hosplt~ in order to cine and surgei'y Jn this State under cer tain conditions qualify foe examination for license to practice med1clne and surge::-y and suspendine; inconsistent laws. for a limited period of time. And said bill having been read at length the first time, MOT!CiN TO READ BILLS THE FIRST TIME Ordered, To be laid aside for second reading.
Mr. HE:?'BURN. Mr. President, I move that the Senate Agreeably to order, do now p ~ oceed to the first reading of all bills reported The Senate proceeded to the first reading and con from committees for the first time at today's session. sideration of House Bill No, 236, entitled: Mr. DE:rrRICK. Mr. President, I eecond the motion. The mo-ion was agreed to. An Act reducing for a limited period of time the train ing period of medical intcmeship ln hospitals in oi·der to qualify for examination for licens e to practice medicine BILLS ON FIRST READING and sui·gery and suspending i nconsistent laws. Agreeably to order, And said bill having been read at length the first time, The Senate proceeded to the first reading and con Ordered, To be laid aside for second reading. sideration of Senate Bill No. 113, entitled: ANNOUNCEMENT An Act to add Sections ,15.1 and 15.2 to, and to fur ther amer.d Sections 21 and 22 of the act, approved the Mr. WALKER. Mr. President, in order that there may seventh diy of J une, one thousand nine hundred :frftee.n be no misunderstanding, I would like to have it under (P. L. 900 •, entitled An act 1.o provide for the immediate regi tratie>n of all birLhE: and de'aths throughout the Com stood that there is a meeting of the Committee on mo11wealth ol Pennsylvan-ia, by tneq_ns of certukates of Judiciary General scheduled for tomorrow, Tuesday, after blrths and deaths, l,U1d burial oi· 1:emoval pel'mlts; requ ir noon, at one o'clock p. m., in the committee room. On ing -prnmJ;i; ret.urns to the Central Bur eau of Vital Sta Tuesday, March 16, 1943, a week from tomorrow, there tistics, as requirea to be established by the State De will be a public hearing· at nine o'clock in the morning, pa~·tment :i>f Health: and in order to secilre prompt and Chamber,~ faithful i;:igistration of births, marriages, death~, and in the Senate consider Senate Bill No. 18. diseases, o: practitioners of medicine and surgery, of mid wives, nUJtses, and undertakers, and of all persons whose occupatior: is deemed to be of importance in obtaining ADJOURNMENT oniplete regietrai ion nf births1 deaths, marriages, and Mr. HEYBURN. Mr. President, I move that the Senate diseases fl.troughout the Stale: as pl'ovi.ded in sectio11 ten 9, 1943, 3:00 of an act.. entitled 'An act creating tl')e Department of do now adjourn until .Tuesday, March at Health an:! defining its powers, and duties,' approved the o'clock p. m ., Eastern War Time. t wenty-se..-enth day of April, nineteen hundred and five, Mr. BECKER. Mr. President, I second the motion. and provi3ing penalties ior violations of this act," pro The motion was agreed to. v1dl.og fot the registration of the bil'lli::; of foundlings; requiring the notaUon of chang of names on birth The Senate adjourned at 5:57 o'clock p. m., Eastern War record.'::; iJnposi.ng duties on prothonota1·ies and clel'l
The Chair requests the gentleman from Montgomery, thorizing the Secretary of Internal Affairs to adopt rules Mr. Wood, to come to the rostrum and preside. and segulations to carry into effect the provisions of the act; and granting additional powers to inspe-0tors of MR. LLOYD H. WOOD IN THE CHAIR weights and measures. · PRAYER Referred to the Committee on State Government. The Chaplain, Rev. Lester C. Updegrove, offered the By Messrs. ELY and CALVIN. HOUSE BILL No. 536. following prayer: 0 God, we thank Thee for those valiant men and An Act to further amend section four of the act, ap proved the twenty-ninth day of May, one thousand nine women of former ages and of our own times through hundred and thirty-one (P. L. 280), entitled "An act whose courage and zeal victories for humanity have been relating to delinquent taxes on seated lands, and pre won. May this Legislature and the people whom they scribing interest charges on nonpayment thereof; re represent be inspired by their example. There are yet quiring the receivers and collectors of county, city, bor ough, town, township, school district and poor district foes of human progress to be conquered, enemies of the taxes to make a return to the county commissioners of common good to be overcome. Make us strong and very such unpaid taxes, and providing for the lien thereof; courageous. Confronted by tasks which test our strength authorizing the county treasurers to collect such taxes, and courage, may we not be fearful nor afraid; may we and to sell seated lands at public sale for taxes l1ereto not shirk the issue nor evade the conflict; may we not fore or hereafier retw·ned as unpaid; and authorizing the county commissione1:s to purcliase such lands and resell recoil at hardship or abuse; may we not be discouraged the same under certain circumstances," providing that by apparent defeat. Committing our souls unto Thee in all liens in favor of the Commonwealth other than tax whose hands are the destinies of all, may we be steadfast, liens, charged against real estate heretofore or hereafter confident in the final triumph of justice and truth. By sold for taxes by the county treasurers, are divested by Thy grace may we never be found wanting in any hour such sales. of crisis. Amen. Referred to the Committee on Judiciary General.
JOURNAL APPROVED By Mr. WINNER. HOUSE BILL No. 537. The SPEAKER. The Clerk will read the Journal of An Act to amend section one thousand five hundred Wednesday, March 3, 1943. and two, by adding thereto clause XLVII, of the act, ap proved the twenty-fourth day of June, one thousand The Clerk proceeded to read the Journal of Wednes nine hundred and thirty-one (P. L. 1206), entitled "An day, March 3, 1943, when, on motion of Mr. KREPPS, act concerning Lownsb,ips of the first class; amending, unanimously agreed to, the further reading was dispensed revising, consolidating and changing the law relating thereto,'' authorizing certain townships of the first class with and the Journal approved. to appropriate moneys for the support of hospitals. BILLS INTRODUCED AND REFERRED Referred to the Committee on Townships. By Mr. HALL. HOUSE BILL No. 533. By Messrs. DENMAN and LOVETT. An Act to amend the title an.d Section 1 o:f, and to add HOUSE BILL No. 538. Sections 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, and 2.4 to, the act, a:pproved the An Act to furthe1· amend the act appr.ovecl, the second twent·y-fourth dfl.y of July, . one thousand rune htmdr d day of May one thousand ni.ne lrnndred and twenty-nine, forty-one (P. L. 496) , e11titled "An ac.t providing 'Lhat {P. L. 1278) , entitled "An act relating to counties of the taxes on unseated lands shall be collected mid ret.mned second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh and e·ighth in the same manner and at the -same time as taxes on classes, and revising, amending, and consolidating the seated lands," providing that in counties of the seventh laws r laling thereto, by empowering countles to ac and eighth classes taxes on unseated lands shall be re quire real estate by lease, puxchase or gift for use as turned by the tax levylng authorities to the ounty com fairground; authorizing county ommissione1:s to do all missioners and collect d by the county treasurer. t;hlngs necessary for the establishment and maintenance Referred to the Committee on Counties. 0£ ·ounty agi:kultura L fai1•s and fairgrounds, including the appropriation of fonds, joint action with other poli tical subdivisions the levy and collection of taxes, the By Mr. BENTLEY. HOUSE BILL No. 534. or ation of county fail' boards, and the acceptance of State contrlbuti.ons. An •ct temporarily suspend.in~ liability of owners and operators of moto1· vehleles for :injury and death of cer Referred to the Committee on Counties. tain passengers caused by formex's negiigence in certain cases. By Mr. GARDNER. HOUSE BILL No. 539, Referred to the Committee on Judiciary General. An Act providing that certain moneys collected and receivec;l from dog licenses shall be paid into the Game By Mr. JAMES. HOUSE BILL No. 535. Fund; apptopriating the same to the use of the Pennsyl vania Game Commission; and empowering said commis An Act to amend Sections 1, 2, 3, 5, 7 and 9, to iui-ther sion to assist in the enforcement of the Dog Law of 1921. amend Sections 4 6, 8 and 10 of, and to add Sections 2.1, 2.2 and 7.1 to, the act, approved the twenty-fourth day of Referred to the Committee on State Government. July, one thousand nine hundred and thirteen (P. L. 965), entitled "An act defining commodities; regulating By Mr. RUSSELL E. REESE. HOUSE BILL No. 540. the sale thereof; and providing penalties f<;>r violation hereof," py defining further, words aJld tenns used An Act authorizing, l'egulating and pertaining to the herein; fJ.irth£F regulating the sale of commodities; au- practice of chiropractic in the Commonwealth of Penn- 1943. LEGISL~TIVE ~OURNAL-HOUSE. 673 sylvania; ddinlng chiropractic; creating a Board of Chiro By Mr. WINNER. HOUSE BILL No. 544, pi:actic Exaniners; defining and prescribing its powers and duties; Pl·oviding :for licensing, examination and reg An Act to reenact and amend the title and the act, ap istration of chiropracto1·s in the Commonwealth of P enn pl·oved the fourteenth day of June, one thousand nine sylvania; p-ohibiting the :practice of any other mode or hund1·ed thirty-five (P. L. 341), entitled, as amended, "An system unc.er the name of chiropractic; providing for .act to 111·ovide revenue by imposing a State tax upon p1·osecution and penalties for violation of this act; mak sales of cigtu·ettes by- dealers as herein defined; requir ing an apµopriation· and _repealing all laws and parts ing persons engaged in the sale of cigarettes at whole Of laws in ::!Onflict the1·ewi.tb. sale and Tetail to ecure pei·mits; prescribing lhe method and manner of coUecting such tax; conferri!lg power,!! and Referred to the Committee on Professional Licensure. imposing duties on the Department of ~evenue, and pel'sons. as herein defined, engage in the sale of cigarettes at l'etall or \'/J1olesale; and· providing penalties," as previ By Mr. :.LOYD H. WOOD (by request). ously 1·e-enacted and amended, by extendin~ the provi HOUSE BILL No. 541. sions of the acL :fol' a further limited period of time. Referred to the Committee on Ways and Means. An Act 1o further amend section six hundred two, sub section fo.uteen, o-f the ad, approved th.e twenty-ninth By Mr. WINNER. HOUSE BILL No. 545. day ol: ;No,,-.ember, one thousand nine hu.ndred and Lhi:rty three (P. ::... 15, 1933-34.), entitled as amended, "An act An Act ta further amend section four of the act ap to regulate and l'estrain 1.h sale, manufacture, possession, pl'ov d lhe twenty-first day of May, one thousand nine transportation, jmportallon, traffic in, and use ot alcohol, hundred thir y-one (P. L. 149), entitled, ' An :wt jmpos and alcohtlic and mall 01· brewed beverages; conteu:Jng ing a State tax, payable by \.hose J1er~ln defined as disl1:i powers a::id imposing du.ties upo11 the Penn ylvania butol'S, on l iquid Iue'ls used or sold and delivered within Liquor Co~J rol .Board anu its agents, the Depat'tment of the Conm10.nwea1th, which are o~·dinarily, practically and Public Imtruction, other officers of th Staie Govern cdmmercially t1sable in internal combustion engines for ment, cou Ls, and dlstri •t aHorneys· authol'izing 'lhe es the generation of power· providing for the collection and tablishmeLt and operation oi State star.es ioi: the sale lien of the tax, and lhe distribution and use of the pro of such b-e verages not for consumption on the p1·emises, ceeds thereo'f; Tequlring such distributors to secure per and the granting of licenses, subject to local option, to mits, to file corporate surety ponds and ;reports, and to sell such beverages for consumptlon on and off the retain certain records; imposing duties on retail dealexs, premises; forbidding impor tation or bringing oi such common carriers, county colTUl1lssio11e1·s. and such distri beverages into the State except as herein provided; butors; providing ior rewards; imposing certain costs on prohibitins c~tain_ sales 01· practices inh con!lection with, counties; conferring powers and imposing duties on cer and tran::actions in such beverages y licensees and tain State officers and departments; providing for refunds; others; pl'Ovk1ing for the forleitme of certain propei;iy; imposing penalties; and making an approptiation," by im making disposition of the receipts fl'om State stoi:es and posing and continuin,I! the additional emergency tax on of fees; rnd imposing penalties," exempting certain coin liquid fuels for a further -limited period of time. operated motion pictur.e machines from provisions of the act requi:ing spedal permits. Refe1:red to the Committee on Ways and Means.
Referi:Ed. to the Committee on Liquor Control. By Mr. WINNER. HOUS~ BILL No. 546. An Act to r.eenact and amend the title and the act. ap By Mr. OHARLES H. BRUNNER, J.i-. proved the sixteenth day of May, one thousand nine hun HOUSE! BILL No. 542. dred and thirty-live (P. L 208), entilled, as amended, "An acl lo provide 1·evenue for State imr poses by impos ing an_ excise tax, :!'or a ]imited period of time on lhe net An Act conce1·ning arrests by peace officets, providing incomes of certain corporations, joint-stock associati o n~, for t.he ~ue lioning and detention of suspects, searching and limited partnerslfrps; providinl'! fol' the assessment, suspects for weapons, lh lorce penni sible i:b making collection, setUemeoi. and resettlement of taxes, and re and resi~tin1; ;,1;;rrest. arrests without a warn1nL. the re views and app al Ui.erefrom: confer·ring powe)."s, and im lease anc. detention of per ons arrested and the identiCica oosing dutie. on cerlain persons, corporations, joint-stock tion of vitnesses, prescdbing penalties, and making uni associations, limited parinersnips, State and county officers_, form the law relating ther ta. poards, and depaJ·tmenis; making an appi·opriation; and providing penalties," as previously reenacted and Refen~ d to the Committ ee on Judiciary Special amended, by extending ~e provisions of the act for a .1'w:lher limited -period of time; by further defining net By M.-. REAGAN. B:OUSE BILL No. 543. income: aulhorlzi11g the Deparbnent of Revenue to grant an additionaJ extension of time for filing r~ports; cl:iang ing the method ot reporting in certain cases; and reduc An Ad to further amend paragraph six of section ope ing the interest penalty on unpaid taxes. of the a:::: t a-ppyoved the twenty-seventh day of June, one thousan(! nine hundred twenty-three, (P. L. 858), entitled Referred to the Committee on Ways and Means. 'An act stablishing a State employes' i·etirerrtent system, and creating a retirement board fo1· the adminlstration By Mr. WINNER. ROUSE BILL No. 5-i1. thereof; establishing certain funds from co11trJl.lutions by J the Commonwealth and contributing State mployes de An A r.: t to further amend the act approved the first fining t 1e uses rand pm-poses thereof and the manner of day o~ June one thousand ight hundred eighty-nine payments therefr0m, and p1:oviding fo1· the guaranty by (P. L. 42•)), entitled "A further supplement to an act, en the Com monwealth of certain of said funds; imposing tiled 'An act lo provide revenue by taxation,' approved powers and dulles upon the .heads of departments in. which the sevenlh day ot June, Anno Domini on ihousand eight State Ernployes serve; excepting annuities, -llowanccs hundt·ed and sev n.Ly-nine,'' by increasing !or a further returns benefits, and rights from taxation and judiciai limited period of time the rate of tax impos d by 1.he act process and p1·oviding penalties," so as to e.xclude ~ udges upon the gross r.eceipts of certain compames, limited part hereaf~r elected Ol' appointed from participation m the nerships, associations, joint-stock associations, copa.-tner~ benefitr:: of the retirement sy.stem. ships and persons. Refe=red to the Committee on State Government. Referred to the Committee- on Ways and Means. 674 LEGISLATIVE JOURNAL-HOUSE. March 8,
By Mr. WINNER. HOUSE BILL No. 548. out sale, or sale of goods damaged J:>y fi re smoke, or water, in cities and certain horougbs of thls Commonwealth; An Act to reenact and amend the title ·and the act. ap and to J>revent fraudulent p11acllces in connection there proved the ninth day of June, 011e thousand nine hun with, and providing penalties fm: the violation thereof
life of the Commonwealth and a leading citizen of Jeffer LEAVES OF ABSENCE son Comtty, died at his home in Punxsutawney on January 30th. By unanimous consent leave o.l' absence was granted as He was born in Tioga County on April 7, 1888, attended :follows: the Mansfield State .Teachers College and graduated from the Indiana State Teachers College in 1908. During the Mr. Goodling for Mr. HOCKE because of illness. first World War he was commissioned a first lieutenAnt Mt'. Owens for Mr. CHERVEN'AK .for the week because and afkr the termination of hostilities, he spent several of illness. years as business manage1' of National l'ark Semina1·y near Washington, D. C. Mr. Cohen ior Mr. B:ARRIS for the week because of ill· In 1920 he returned to Punxsutawney wher•e he has uess. in since been engaged business. Mr. for Upcn taking up ills residence in Punxsutawney, he be The Speaker for FOOR tonight's session be· came interested in and devoted much o:f bis time to local cause of illness. activities. He was a director of the Chambe1· o-f Com merce, a trustee of the Adrian Hospital Association, and PERMISSION TO ADDRESS HOUSE a diI'ector of the Cenbal Y. M. C, A. Fraternally he was en active member of the Pim.xsutaw11ey Lodge of Elks Mi·. COHEN asked and obtained unarlimous consent to and of the Fraternal 01·der of Eagles. It was as a member of the Amedcan Legion however address the House. that he became best known throughout the S~uLe. He Mr. Speaker, last Monday night we received the Gov served as Conimandel' o:f the John Jacob Fi. hel' Post of ernor's budget message. He ptesenled lo us his concep Punxsutawney, later as County Commander, then a
Are the school teachers to be treated like pToverbial meated with a philosophy of "do nothing." It is a throw ••step-children" or should we not grant them the same back to the ostrich acting, slumbering Hoover idea of consideration that we have granted politicians in the governmental function. matter of proper increases in salaries, or at least give A cursory examination of the budget and the Gover all living bonuses to be paid from public funds. This nor's statement indicate only a feeling for the tax cost House voled two weeks ago (the Boyd bill) to increase to the wealthy taxpayer. Why not a reduction on a the salari~s of employees throughout the State to cover broader basis that could be accomplished by examining the cost eof living for the duration, Do not the teachers the cigarette tax or the emergency liquid fuels tax. After pay the s::ime money for food, shelter and other necessi all, these are emergency taxes. ties as de other employees on the public payroll. Let me say one more thing, why break into our perm The charge that we must examine the matter of welfare anent tax structure. The well-to-do business men, who legislatior 1 which of necessity, directs bis remarks to would profit by the abolishment of the mercantile tax, relief payments to the aged, blind and dependent chil have not asked for it. The result that I can see is the dren, lea,es the thought in mind that we are to play imposition of this tax upon the same business men, who !)olitics vith this group of people. I might remind the next year will wake up suddenly to find the counties Governor ~iat this State took over relief functions in collecting it at varying rates throughout the State. I 1932 whei. all that the needy received were food orders. contend there is enough money left after all the Gov All other relief needs were matters of local responsibi ernor's recommendations on expenditures are provided lity to be met by community agencies. It was because it for to take care of the problem of the school teachers. was universally agreed that this stop-gap method of The mercantile tax, which is collected on a State-wide meeting the problem seriously affected the morale of basis, could be allocated specifically for the purpose of the less fortunate, that eventually the State went on a helping to pay them at least a cost of living increase- for permaneLt relief basis, climaxed by the enactment of the the duration. Goodrich plan in 1937. It is this one function alone that I have received many communications mostly from in has giva the State the major part of tlie one hundred vestment brokers, etc., asking that the State Personal million oollars cost of governmental increase which irks Property tax and like taxes be abolished. I have yet to see the Govf,rnor. Or would the Governor want us to put one request or hear one plea to have the mercantile tax mental rospitals and other state institutions of healing abolished. Yes, business men know that if the State back w~re they were? Would he want to take away does not collect it, then the counties will. salary ircreases to teachers in fourth class school dis I believe that there is enough hidden money in this tricts? DJes he really want us to stop transporting school budget to give them what they deserve. It is our problem pupils? ':'hese, too, are functions which the State Gov and our duty to give it to them. Do not forget that the ernment has taken over in the past ten years and con school teachers have been applauded week in and week tribute 1JJ this one hundred million dollars added cost out lately for their unselfish work in the matter of ration to the s~ate. ing, selective service and other activities. We have given Or car it be that the civil service· requirements in the them gratitude, but no money. Departrn=nt of Welfare and the Federal requirements that I have heard many people ask about tax reduction are atta-!hed to Federal grants to be disbursed by the directly to the little fellow. What about the cigarette Depart1D2nt of Public Assistance, irk the Governor ~o and liquid fuels tax? It is something that we ought to much? 'Nould he have these functions given bad< to try to do. The Governor has said "Figures in a budget only politicia•s in the local communitie's-politicians be reflect the underlying plan and the policies on which holden b his administration? Do not forget that the elu the budget is built." If this be true, then I charge again sive surplus of Arthur James can be credited to the that the budget is typical of the thinking of the Harding Federal Government, who poured over ninety million Coolidge-Hoover era of "do-nothing" in government. dollars into the Treasury in his administration for <;ocial and ;oel:ef purposes. Where would the Governor's tax It has been often stated that this was to be a non reductio:i. program be today if it were not for this political and cooperative session. The Democratic pRrty money? Could it really be that the mopping up of poli pledged its support of such a program of activity. It tical pap and patronage irks the Governor so much that is still ready to do so. It is still looking for an open in he wants to toss this function back to the counties and vitation to sit around the table to discuss these questions. let the State shirk its acknowledged responsibility? The Democratic party is ready to act. The l.itaJ emergency taxes in 1937-1939 were one hun dred sb:.ty-three million dollars. During that period we PERMISSION TO ADDRESS HOUSE spent i.:pwal'ds ot two hundred forty million d liars. Mr. SARGE asked and obtained unanimous consent to It .is estimated for the present biennium that this emer address the House. gency .titmctions will cost eighty, million dollars. Even Mr. Speaker, today I introduced a 'Bill which I think with a :ax cut of 1orty million dollars, the question may is of enough importance to our Commonwealth to war weJl pe asked, where is ihe diI:l'erence? '!'he Adminis rant my asklng the privilege of calli11g your special at tration might answer that !:here will be less i·evenue tention to this bill. from tl:..ese taxes, but that fact has only been stated. This Bill is a combination of Resolutions Nos. 69 and 75 It has Lot yet been proven. We ought to be very careful. introduced during the Session of 1941, each of which The :nain trouble with this budget is that it is per- called for the appointment of a joint legislative committee 678 LEGISLATIVE JOURNAL-HOUSE. March 8,
to investigate certain matters and report to the General am greatly concerned with this matter of Bill printing, Assembly. No. 69 sought to rid the statute books of ob for I believe it is one of the most abused privileges con solete and useleS& laws; No. 75 had as its object the nected with the mechanism of the State Legislature. reduction of the expense of conducting a session of the As a matter of fact, I sincerely believe that if thi& pro Legislature by seeking some answer to the high cost of posed Bill of mine is adopted, the members of this House printing. will be greatly surprised at some of the discoveries that Bills are introduced which even the sponsors thereof will be brought to light, discoveries of waste of tons of do not expect to be enacted, and in some ca.ses they would paper, extravagant expenditures of money at the expense not be supported by those sponsors. At this session the of the State, and from which the State or the Legislature same bills, with the same wording have been presented derive absolutely no benefit. by several members. In some in.stances the second and When, in the 1941 Session, I introduced Resolutions 69 third copies have been presented with the full knowledge and 75, the Philadelphia Inquirer published quite an on the part of the member that a similar bill had already editorial on the worth of these Resolutions and suggested been introduced. Some of these bills have consisted of that the Resolutions should be adopted by the Legisla more than fifty pages of typewritten matter, which re ture. This editorial also pointed out that I was con sults in a large cost to the State for printing alone. sistent in my views because of the fact that in that Session A practice has grown up to introduce the same bill I introduced only one Bill. May I add, gentlemen of the in the Senate and in the House at the same time, which House, that in this Session I have introduced only one obviously accomplishes no good purpose but results in Bill and that was House Bill 4, which will save the State further increasing printing cost. Cost should not be con approximately twenty-five thousand dollars in printing, sidered when an end for the public good can be reached, and it is my intention not to introduce any Bills at this but when the object is purely personal gain or embar Session unle.s·s they are Bills that will save the State rassment to some one el.s·e, the practice should be elim money, or are vital to the prosecution of the war. I men inated. tion this only to show to you my consistency in asking And again it is not the purpose of this bill to take your support for this measure and of course it is self away any of the rights of members in their rightful evident that there is nothing political about the Bill. privilege of introducing bills. The bill only authorizes a When one considers that in the past four sessions of study of our present system with the view of accom this General Assembly the staggering number of eleven plishing more sensible, morej efficient and more eco thousand and forty-five bills were intorduced and printed, nomical procedure in· our process of introducing Legis of which number only two thousand three hundred and lation, seventy-five were passed, it seems obvious that some The question of a division of the legislative session was thing exists that should be corrected. In other words raised in 1941 by the introduction of a resolution to amend Seventy-eight and one-half per cent of the bills introduced the Constitution in order to provide for what is known as and printed were not enacted into law. a split session. A period of time would be provided im Gentlemen of the House,-there is no better time to mediately following the convening of the session for its set our Legislative House in order than the ·present. I organization and the presentation of biils. No bills would ask your support of this measure on the basis of it's be considered until the reconvening of the session, five merits alone, and I thank the Speaker and the Members weeks after the initial period set aside for the introduc of the House for the courtesy extended to me 1n this tion of bills. The resolution also provided for a different privilege of speaking to you on the Bill at this time. printing of Legislative Journals and Histories. The study of this question is also imposed upon the PERMISSION TO ADDRESS HOUSE commission appointed under the provisions of this act. Mr. BRETHERICK asked and obtained unanimous con I feel that this is a most important matter and that sent to address the House. its cost would be made up by the savings that would re sult from its work, I feel also that it is so important a Mr. Speaker, I have listened with rather deep interest matter as to deserve the serious study of a separate com to some very interesting remarks made by the Minority mission instead of being only a small part of a study made Floor Leader with regard to increased compensation for by any permanent body. teacher.s·. May I say to him and to the Members on the Republican side of the House that I feel somewhat flat I submit thi:i method of solving the problems that we tered that he has adopted the suggestion that I personally all know exist in the hope that it will receive the support made to this House on February twenty-third in urging of all the members of this body who, with me, feel that the Members of this House of Representatives to do some .some real change should be made, thing for Pennsylvania school teachers, and that I was The Delaware Legislature repealed a multitude of ob disappointed that the Governor had not seen fit in the solete laws. Other States have very recently appointed budget message to make some definite provision for in commissions to eliminate obsolete laws and to recommend creasing the compensation of school teachers. The Gov various improvements in Legislative procedure, and yet ernor has in fact stated that that is a job for the Legis Pennsylvania the great arsenal o:f America has done noth lature. He suggested that every Member of this House ing along this line. must acpept that responsibility because it is a responsi For many years the State has been saddled with an bility of the Members of this House. unnecessary and exorbitant cost of thousands of bills, most A bill has been introduced by a Republican Member of of which are impractical and entirely useless., and I see this House to increase the compensation of school teacher-'l no reason why this custom should continue. In fact I to the extent of three hundred dollars. a year. That bill 1943. LEGISLATIVE JOURNAL-HOUSE. 679
is now before the Committee on Education for considera Agreeably to order, tion. I personally know that Members of that Committee The House proceeded to the first reading and con from tris side of the House have been working night and sideration of House Bill No, 262, entitled: day, in2luding Sunday; in an effort to find some solution to this very vexing problem. Gentlemen, I don't think An Act to further amend section six hundred twenty two of the act, approved the twenty-fourth day of June, there i~ a Member of thfo House who does not agree that one tliousand nine hundTed thirty-one (P. L. J206) en our teachers, or at least some of them, should receive in titled ''An act coneernlng townships of the first class· creasec compensation. I know that the Republican Mem amending, revis!ng, consolidating, and changing the law bers oi the House feel that way because I discussed the !'elating thereto," by increasing amount allowed delegates problen with them on several occasions and I k;now that of townships for expenses while attendlng the annual meeting of the state association. the Mi:mbers of the Committee on Education have been devotir_g every minute of their time in an effort to ~atis And said bill having been read at length the first Lime, factori: y. solve this problem for the benefit of our teachers. Ordert!d, To be laid aside for second 1·eadJng. I thl -ik it ought to be said in fairness that the Governor has never said that he will veto leg"islation providing for Agreeably to order, increa~ed compensation for teachers. It is up to us to The House proceeded to the first reading and con presen.: to him a workable appropriation bill, tax bill, in sideration of House Bill No. 351, entitled: order ~hat the teachers may get what they justly deeerve An Act to amend section one thousand four hundred and w:iat they are honestly and fairly entitled to receive. one of the act approved th first day of May, one thou As I cl.d two weeks ago on the floor of this House I again sand nine hundred thil'ty-three (P. L. 103), entitled "An want to urge every Member of this House to give the acL concerning towns-hips of the second class; and amend matte1 his best efforts and to urge every Member of this ing, i·evising, consolidating, and changing the law relating House to give this problem his most serious consideration thereto," fm·the1• regulating the establishment and main tenance of sidewalks. in or6er that our teachers may receive more money. And said bill having been read at length the first fjme, BILLS ON FIRST READING Oi·dered, To be laid aside for second l'eading, Agreeably to order, Agreea•bly to order, The House proceeded to the first reading and con The House proceeded to the first reading and con siderirtion of House Bill No. 16, entitled: sideration of House Bill No. 353, entitled: An Act prohibiting any political subdivision from im An Act to' add a1:tlcle seven-A to the act approved the pos~ any wage, income or occupation tax upon non first day ot May one thousand nine hundred thirty-three resid nts. (P. L. 103), en.titled "An act concerning townships of the second class; and amending, revising, consolidatin~. and An-:! said bill having been read at length the first time, changing the law i·elaling thereto," ior the protection of Ordered, To be laid aside for second reading, the pub.lie health, providing for the appointment, power.s and duties of boards of health and health officers. Ag:-eea:bly to order, And said bill having been read at length the first time, Th~ House proceeded to the first reading and con Ordered, To be laid aside for second reading. sidention of House Bill No. 211, entitled: Agreeably to order, Ar. Act io aqd Section 150.1 t o the act, approved the secol!J.d day o.f May, one thousand nine hundred twenty The House proceeded to the first reading and con nine (P. L. 1278 ), ntUled "An act re.latin.g to counties of sideration of House Bill No. 354, entitled: the ::econd, third fourth, iift.h, sixU1, eeventh and elghth classes: and revising, amending and consolidating the An Act to ame.nd the act, approved the futt day o! laws telating thereto," aut:hoi'iz.b1g the county treasurer May, one thousand nine hundred and thirty-three (P. L. in CHtnlies of lhe fi:f th class to appoint a solicitor, and pro 103), entitled "An act concerning townships of tlle second vidi:ng fat· his salary payable ou.L 0f the tretWury from class; and amending, .revising, con solidating, and changing wblc h the county treasi.irer is paid. the law relating tl1ereto," l)l'OViding for township planning and the creation, organization and poweJ•s of township Amd said bill having been read at length the first time, planning comm issions. Ordered, To· be laid aside for second reading, And said bill having been read at length the first time, Ordered, To be laid aside for second reading, A;(reeably to order, Y:i.e House proceeded to the first reading and con Agreeably to order, sid~ation of House· Bill No. 256, entitled: The House proceeded to the first reading and con- sideration of House Bill No. 355, entitled: An Act to amend eection one thousand seven bundred· nine of the act, approved tile twenty-fourth day of June, An Act to amend sectlon five hundred thirty of the one thousi:u1d nine hundred thirty-one (P. L. 1206), en act, approved the first day of May, one lhoUEand nine miE: d "An act concerning towns hips of the first- class; httndred thirty:Uu·ee (P. L. 103) , entitled "An a~t con 0 amending, i·evising, consoBdating, and changing the law cer.ning townships of the second class; and amendm , re re)1o.ting th.er to," by permitting taxes to be levled upon vising, consolidating, and chimglng the law relating t'l1ere eitl:.er prope1·ty ot• occupations. Lo," providing for the filing of the treasurer's bonds. And said bill having been read at length the first time, And said bill having been read at length the first time, C•rdered, To be laid aside for second reading. Ordered, To be laid aside for secon.d reading, 680 LEGISLATIVE JOURNAL-HOUSE. March 8,
Agreeably to order, Agreeably to order, The House proceeded to the first reading and con The House proceeded to the first reading and considera sideration of House Bill No. 356, entitled: tion of House Bill No. 399, entitled: An Act to amend clause one of section seven hundred An Act regulating tax collectors' warrants hereafter two of the act, approved the first day of May, one · thou i.9$Ued with tax duplicates· authorizing the collecting . of sand nine hundred and tlliTty-three (P. L. 103)i entitled taxes for which the tax: collectors have become personally "An act concerning townships of the second ciass: and liable, after the linal settlement of the tax duplicates and amending, revising, consolidating, and changing the law alter the expiration of their terms or office. relating thereto," increasing the period for w11ich con tracts for lighting may be made. And said bill having been read at length the first time, Ordered, To be laid aside for second reading. And said bill having been r ead at length the first time, Ordered, To be laid aside for second reading, Agreeably to order, The House proceeded to the first reading and considera Agreeably to order, tion of House Bill No. 421, entitled: The House proceeded to the first reading and con An Act-to add section ten to the act approved the first sideration of House Bill No. 374, entitled: day of July, one thousand nine hund1·ed. thirty-seven, (P. L. 2624), entitled "An act authorizing townships ot An Act to amend section nine of the act, approved the lhe second class to adopt and enforce zoning ordinances thirteenth day of April, one thousand nine hund1·ect and fol'ty-two (P. L. 37), entitled "An net relating lo air raid regulating the location, construction, and use of buildings, p1·ecautlons, including blackout ; con.ferl:ing power the size oJ' courts and open spaces, the density of popula certain tion, and the use of land," aulhorizing townships to make a~d . ~luties up~n tf)e State Coun~ of D e!ep~e local and distt1ct Councils of Defense, poblkal su,bd1Vls10ns,1 mem appropriations for· said purposes. bers of ce1·tain municipal az)d volunteer agencies and And said bill having been read at length the first time, civilian.c; necessary for the safety, defense and protection of civilians and property in the Commonwea1th: provid Ordered, To be laid aside for second reading. ing for the mobilization, co-ordination and use of certain municipal agencies and volunteer agencies, including their Agreeably to order, ~ersop.nel ru:id. equipment· providing for immunity from liability for lnJur:y- or death to persons or damage to prop The House proceeded to the first reading and considera erty under cetfam cirClumstances, and providing penal· tion of Senate Bill No. 38, entitled: ties/ by providing for the payment of fines recovered unaer said section to ;municipalities and townships. A Joint Resolution proposing an amendment to article eight, section eleven, of the Constitution of the Common And said bill having been read at length the first time, wealth of Pennsylvania. Ordered, To be laid aside for second reading, And said bill having been read at length the first time, Ordered, To be laid aside for second reading. Agreeably to order, The House proceeded to the first reading and con Agreeably to order, sideration of House Bill No. 384, entitled: The House proceeded to the first reading and considera tion of Senate Bill No. 52, entitled: An Act to add section 654.2 to the act, appreved the \ twenty-fom·th day of June, one tbousanc:J. nine hundred A Joint Resolution proposing an amendment to article thirty-nine (P. L. 1172), entitled "An a t lo consolidate, nine of the Constitution of tbe Commonwealth of Penn amend and revise the penal laws of lhe Commonwealth," sylvania, by adding thereto section ighteen. malting it a ci·ime for any officer of any labor union to discriminate because oC race, color or cl'eed between ap And said bill having been read at length the first time, plicants for membership in such union or between as Ordered, To be laid aside for second reading. signments :for emp1oyment of union meinbers because of their race, color 01' creed. Agreeably to order, And said bill having been read at length the first tlme, The House proceeded to the first reading and considera Ordered, To be laid aside for second reading, tion of Senate Bill No. 84, entitled: An Act to amend paragTaph A of section four hundred Agreeably to order, one of the act, approved the fifteenth day of May, one The House proceeded to the first reading and con thousand nine hundred and thirty-three (P. L . 565). en sideration of House Bill No. 398, entitled: titled "An act relating to the powers and duties of the Department of Banldng and the Secretary of Banking in exercising s\.lpervision over, and taking possession of and An Act enabling city, county, poor, institution district, conqucting or liquidating the business and property of, ward, school, borough, and township tax collectors, their corporations, associations, and persons receiving de executors and administrators. if they aTe deceased, or posits Ol' otherwise transacting a banking business, cor elthei: su re t ~ or sm·eti.es to collect taxes for the payment porations actinf( as nducial'ies, and pullding and loan of ~hich tney have become personally Hable, without associations: providing ror lhe payment of the e. perues havmg colle ted the same, by the expiration of. the of the Depat'lmenL or Banking by upervised corporations, authority of their i·espectiv · warrants Ol' by the expira tion o-f theh· terms of office: extending the time fol' the associations or p-e1·sons, and appropriating the Banking collection o.f the same, and valiclatiri'! collections and Departu1ent Fund: authorizing Lhe Depar tment ot "'3ank proceedings fo~· collections made or commenced without ing, 11ncl er certain ciI'CLtmslances, to examine corporations, previous authority. associalJons, or persons affiliated. or having business trans actions with .supervised corpol'ations, associations or per And said bill having been read at length the first time, sons; authorizing appeals to the Supreme Com·t, and pre scribing and limiting the powers and duties of ceI·tain Ordered, To be laid aside for second reading, other courts and tl}elr wothonotaries. ree:isters of wills, 1943. LEGISLATIVE JOURNAL-HOUSE. 681 recorders of deeds, and certain State departments, com providing for the disposition of' fines, forfeitures, fees, and missioas, and officers; authorizing certain local public misce11aneous receipts; making an appropriation and pro officer; and State departments to collect fees :for serv.i.ces viding for refunds," modifying the provisioru; thereof rela rende ed under thi.s act; providing penalties; and ;repealing tive to iees for operators' licenses i.n cases where holdeTs ce~tala. acts and pal'f,s of acts," by requiring the Del)art of learners' permits fail to pass the examination for an ment cf Banking to examine all lnst,itulions Urnrou hly at operator's license dllring the ninety day period such per least •Jnce every two years, instead of each year as now 'llit is valid. provic.ed. The first section was read. And said bill having been read at length the first time, On the question, Ord..:red, To be laid aside for second reading. Will the House agree to the section?
SENATE MESSAGE BILL RECOMMI'CT'ED TIME OF NEXT MEETING Mr. KENNETH H. WAGNER. Mr. Speaker, I move that this bill be recommitted to the Committee on Motor The Clerk of the Senate being introduced presented an Vehicles for the purpose of further study and possible extrad from the Journal of the Senate, which was read amendment. as fo~Iows: The motion was agreed to. In the Senate, March 8, 1943. Agreeably to order, Re~olved (,if the Hous o( Representatives concul'), TJ1at when the Senate adjourns this week it reconven on¥ n The House proceeded to the second reading and con day ,.venfog, March 15, J943, at f011x o'clock, and wh n sideration of House Bill No. 105, entitled: the Rouse of Representatives <1d,iourns this week, it r - con~ne on Monday evening, M<1.rch 15, 1943, at nine An Act to reenact and amend the title of, aJJd the act o'cloo:k. approved the first clay of .Tuly, one 1.hou"and. nine hun dred and thirty-seven (P. L. 2611), entitled "An act Orrlered, That the Clerk present the same to the House authorizing political subdivisions. other than cities ot of R~presentatives for its concurrence. the first class, io set-off delinquent taxes and municipal Or the question, claims ~nd penalties, intere!it, and cost due thereon, against Will the House concur in the resolution of the Senate? claims and accounts due by such political subdivisionsi" extending the provisions of said act so that judgn1ents It was concurred in. held by such political subdivisions and the costs and in Ociered, That the Clerk inform the Senate accordingly. terest accrued ther · 011 may be set-off <1gainst claims and accounts owing by the political subdivisions. THE SPEAKER Ora T. Fiss) IN THE CHAIR And said bill having been read at length the second Tre SPEAKER. The Chair thanks the gentleman from time and agreed to. Montgomery, Mr. Wood. Orde:red, To be transcribed for third reading.
FORMER MEMBER WELCOMED Agreeably to order, The House proceeded to the second reading and con Tle SPEAKER. Honorable Leo Tumelty a former Mem- sideration of House Bill No. 290, entitled: ber of the House is present in the House and the Chair will reque.£t him to rise in his place. An Act to amend sections one and seven of the act, approved 1.he twenty-first day of Jul , one thousand nine hunched forty-one (P. L. 425), enl1Lled "An act to es BILLS ON SECOND READING Labllsh a syst m uniform tb1•oughout the Commonwealth Cm: the ·ompensation of witness s, regulating the amount, Agreeably to order, payment and taxation as costs tbereof, and repealing The House proceeded to the second reading and con inconsistent legislation," further regulating the payment of witnesses and the taxation thereof as costs of the sideration of House Bill No. 140, entitled: proceeding. An Act to further amend section seven hundred thil· And said bill having been read at length the second tee::i ot the act. .approved 1.he first day of May one thou time and agreed to. i;an;:l nlne hundred twenty-nine (P. L. 905), entitled "An ect for the protection of the public safety: regulati11g the Ordered, To be transcribed for third reading. use of highways, anq the operati on of vehicles, tractors, str'!et cars, trackless: trolley omnibm:es, bicycles, pedes Agreeably to order, t,rfans, and the riding of animals upon the highways o·f The House proceeded to the second reading and con thLs Commonwealth· providing for the titling, including sideration of House Bill No. 321, entitled: liens, encumbrances.' and legal claims: registration of cer tai::'l vehicles, and licensing the operators thereof upon An Act to amend section three hundred one of the act, pa:v ment of prescribed fees: prescribing and limiting the approved the third day of June one thousand nine hun po?.rers of local authorities to deal with the subject matter dred thirty-seven (P. L. 1225), entitled "An act concern• of this act; conferring powei·s and imposing duties upon ing game and other wild birds and wild animals; and the. De}>artment of Revenue, the Department of Highways, amending, revising, consolidating, and changing the law peace officers, mayors, burgesses, magistrates, aldermen, relating thereto," changing the requirement.s for persons iu tices of the peace, the courts and the clerks thereof, in the armed forces of the United States to secure resi· o'.nlet;s of vehicles. and garage keepers; p1·oviding tnat dent hunters' licenses. re-eords are admissible as evidence; imposing upon own er•. counties, cities, boroughs. incorporated towns. town And said bill having been read at length the second ships. within the Commonwealth, liability .jor damages time and agreed to. caused by the negligent operation of theii· motor vehicles-; hr.posing' penalties; imposing certain costs upon counties; Ordered, To be transcribed for third r~ading. 682 LEGISLATIVE JOURNAL-HOUSE. March 8,
Agreeably to order, An Act to amend the title and sections eighteen, nine The House proceeded to the second reading and con teen and t.wcnty o'f the act, approved the fifteent.h day o:f sideration of House Bill No. 328, entitled: June, one thousand nine hundred t.hi'rty-seven (P. L. 1743) entitled "An act relating to magistrates and magis An Act regulating the issu.ance of birth certificates and trates' courts in the city of Philadelphia; imposing cer copies of, and statements rel;,iting to birth records by the tain duties upon, and prohibiting certain practices by, Department of Health, the clerks of the orphans' couqs, m~gistrates; bnposing oertain duties on the city controlle:r and the loc;ll registrars· limiting the amount of informa in regard therei ; a uthorizing tbe employment by him 0f additional clerks and fixing "their compensation; J·egu tion to be given Jn snch certificates, copies :a.nd sta~aments, 1 latlng the praetice jn magish"ates' coutts, th e entering of and declaring such Ji mited certified copies of bkth reco1ds bail, and the issuance of dischat·ges in criminal oases in competent legal evid en ~e . lhe county ot Philadelphia; con'ferring certain powers over And said bill having been read at length the second maipstrates and magistrates' courts, and iPlPOSing certain duties in connection thei:ewi th upon the judges of the time and agreed to. courts of common pleas of the county of Philadelphia; Ordered, To be transcribed :for third reading. providing for the appointment and employment of stenog raphers to report proceedings in certain cases heard by magistrates; frxing salaries of persons employed by Agreeably to order, autborit.y of th.is act· providing penalt.ies for violations of The House proceeded to the second reading and con the provisions t hereof; and J'epealing c~t.ain prior acts," sideration of House Bill No. 332, entitled: removing certain powers and duties of the city controller and conferring them upon the· ler l~ of the court 01' oyel' An Act to amend section one thousand two hundred and terminer, general jiiil delivery and qwuter sessions; t welve of the act, approved the thinl day of J une, one authorizing said clerk to employ additional clerks and tbousand nine h undr.ecl Utirty-sev n (P. L. 1225), entil1ed fixing heh· salaries. "An act concerning game and other wild bil'ds and wild animaJs; and amendlllg, revising, consolidating; and chang The SPEAKER. When this bill was last before the ing the 1awn1ating thereto," by a uU1orlzing the refund of House the question was on· the amendments offered by the certain moueys erroneously paid Into the State 'Creasury gentleman from Philadelphia, Mr. Cullen and the' gentle for hunting license foes by former coun·t;y treasurers. man from Philadelphia, Mr. Levy. And said bill having been read at length the ser.ond The Clerk will again read the amendments offered to time and agreed to. Section 1. Ordered, To be transcribed for third reading. The amendments were read by the Clark as follows: Amend Sec. 1 (TiUe), page 3, line 10, b~ striking out Agreeably to order, tbe li ht-faced bracket before Lhe word "city" and after t.he wor d "con roller" The House proceeded to the second reading and con Amend. Sec. 1 (Title), page 3, lines 10, 11 and 12, by sideration of House Bill No. 440, entitled: striking ou t the following: "clerk of lhe" in line 10, .all of line 11, and the words "q uarter sessions" in line 12. An, Act to further amend section seven hundred two of the act approved -the fillh day of May, one ·thousand nine On the question recurring, hundred thirty-three, (P. L. 239), entitled "An act relaling Will the House agree to the amendments? to nonprofit in HotEe Bill 313, Printer's No. 50, is there a provision QUESTION OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE made for the transfer of the records from the Controller's Mr. GATES. Mr. Speaker, I rise to a question of per office tJ the Clerk of the Quarter Sessions Court. sonal privilege. Mr. SALUS. Mr. Speaker, in answer to that question I think I said at that time that those provisions would be in The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Armstrong will the companion bill. They are in the companion bill which state his question of personal privilege. is up fer consideration tonight. Mr. GATES. I think, Mr. Speaker, that possibly the Mr. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, I desire to further interrogate question I asked the other day has not been properly the ge•tleman from Philadelphia, Mr. Salus. worded. I do not have the Legislative Journal but I h ave a copy here of my original question- Mr. SALUS. Mr. Speaker, I expected that. The SPEAKER. Will the gentleman from Armstrong The SPEAKER. The gentleman :from Philadelphia will yield? proceei. Mr. GATES. I yield, Mr. Speaker. Mr. ::..EVY. Mr. Speaker, the gentleman from Philadel phia, Mr. Salus, makes reference to a companion bill. Will The SPEAKER. The gentleman will state his question the ge:ltleman inform the House to what bill he is refer of personal privilege. ing an.:i the number of the particular bill? Mr. GATES. Mr. Speaker, I have been misquoted. I Mr: SALUS. Mr. Speaker, I think the gentleman from wish to correct the question. Phila<:Elphia has it in front of him and his eyesight is The SPEAKER. Will the gentleman from Philadelphia, good. I think it is House Bill 313, although I haven't got Mr. Levy, and will the gentleman from Philadelphia, Mr. it in front of me. Salus, yield to the gentleman from Armstrong, Mr. Gates? Mr. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, I asked the gentleman from Mr. SALUS. I will, Mr. Speaker. Philacelphia to point out to the gentleman from Arm Mr. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, the gentleman from Philadel strong. who made the inquiry last week, where in the bill phia, Mr. Levy, will not yield to the gentleman from Arm proviaon is made for the transfer? strong, Mr. Gates. Mr. SALUS. Mr. Speaker, I would be perfectly willing The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Philadelphia, Mr. to amwer that question to the gentleman from Armstrong Levy will not yield. The· gentleman will proceed with if he requests it. his interrogation. Mr. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, I ask the gentleman from Mr. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, in furtherance of the inter Philatlelphia to answer the question. I am now asking a rogation then I would ask the Speaker of the House to direct question. request the reporters of the House of deliver to the House Mr. SALUS. Mr. Speaker, I am not nervous. The at this point the official notes of last week's Session. gentleman may go ahead. The SPEAKER. If the gentleman insists, the Chair will Mr. LEVY. I might inform the Speaker that we are request the Reporters to produce the official record. Does in the process of debating what' in my e~timation is a very the gentleman insist? imp01 tant bill, not only to the people of Philadelphia Mr. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, I do not desire to cause the but b the people of Pennsylvania. We shall gradually Chair the inconvenience that such a request demands, but unfurl to the Members of the House the reasons why this I want to say to you, Mr. Speaker, that it was my impres is a •ery important piece of legislation. sion that the gentleman from Armstrong, Mr. Gates, made I a.:n interrogating the gentleman from Philadelphia, and certain inquiries. It was my impression that the inquiry I am likewise making an explanatory remark relative to he made was exactly or approximately the statement that the I":!fusal of the gentleman to answer the question. I made on the floor . Th= SPEAKER. The Chair would like to remind the The SPEAKER. Will the gentleman yield? gentleman from Philadelphia that the business before the Mr. LEVY. I yield, Mr. Speaker. HouE€ is interrogation. The SPEAKER. The floor was not yielded to the gentle W:::tl the gentleman from Philadelphia, Mr. Salus, permit man from Armstrong. The gentleman will continue with himself to be interrogated? his interrogation if he desires to do so. Mr. SALUS. I will, Mr. Speaker, if any direct questions Mr. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, I cannot very well ask the are 3.sked. question and answer your question at the same time. You M::-. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, I desire to inquire of the asked me if I would insist upon havinJi the record. Now, gentieman from Philadelphia where in House Bill No. 313, I am attempting to answer your question. Printer's No. 50 is there a provision making this transfer The SPEAKER. Will the gentleman from Philadelphia, of t:ie records from the City Controllers' Office to the Mr. Salus, permit himself to be interrogated? Clerk of the Court of Quarter Sessions of Philadelphia. Mr. SALUS. I will, Mr. Speaker. Mc. SALUS. Mr. Speaker, is the bill the gentleman from The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Philadelphia, Mr. Philadelphia is talking about the bill that passed on second Levy, will proceed. readng or the bill on second reading tonight? Mr. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, in view of the fact that the Mr. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, apparently the gentleman from gentleman from Armstrong has already made his state Phi:adelphia needs the bill in front of him because I re:.. ment on the record, I further my request that the official pea:ed, it is House Bill 313, Printer's No. 50, which is on record of the proceedings of last Tuesday's Session be ton:,ght's calendar, and' which bill we are now debating on summoned into the House. secc·nd ·reading. The SPEAKER. The Chair will obtain the record of 684 LEGISLATIVE JOURNAL-HOUSE. March 8, last week's debate ln view of lhe .fact thaL the gentle O'Brien, that the gentleman from Armstrong, Mr. Gates, man from Philadelphia would not yield lo Lhe gentle was recognized. The Chair then inquired whether the man from Armstrong. The gentleman .f.rom .Philadelphia, gentleman from Philadelphia, Mr. Levy, and the gentle Mr. Levy, has lhe floor. Does he wish to further lnler man from Philadelphia, Mr. Salus, would yield. rogate the genlleman ftom Philadelphia, Mr. Salus? Mr. O'BRIEN. Mr. Speaker, I reiterate and repeat, did Mr. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, I regret to inform th Speal Mr. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, I have made it quite em Deeds, and th P rothonotary of the Court. They are phatic" end clear that I cannot further interrogate the 'k ept up to date, and if an application be made for bail if they do not have the r ecord they will send gentlem;m from Philadelphia without the record of Tues down and get it. day afternoon's session. If the Speaker insists that I go "Mr. LEVY. , Mr. Speaker, I am very happy that ahead I suppose I have no other alternative. the gentleman from Armstrong rose t o ask that ques The EPEAKER. The Chair will remind the gentle tion, b cause that is the very question I wanted to ask myself, bui the answer that the gentleman from man frcm Philadelphia that the Chair has tried to be Philadelphia gave is a bit confusing." - tolerant and fair with all the Members of the House. Howeve:-, part of this interrogation seems to be so in Does that answer the question? significa::it that the Chair is of the opinion that we should Mr. LEVY. I regret to inform the Speaker that the proceed just as far as we are able to proceed. The rec quotations from the record are only partial, and when I ords will be brought into the House for the information say partial I mean that subsequently another question of the gentleman from Philadelphia. was asked by the gentleman from Philadelphia and to Mr. LEVY. Mr. Speaker and members of the House, that question he declined- for the information of the Speaker, his word "insignifi The SPEAKER. Will the gentleman yield? cant," I believe, may be misinterpreted by the gentle Mr. LEVY. I yield, Mr. Speaker. men in -.he House, if he insists upon using that particular The SPEAKER. Will the gentleman permit the Chair word. I might inform the Speaker that the question at to read further? issue an::l the question that was under consideration by many Fepublicans on the other side of the House is "Mr. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, I am very happy that the gentlemar. from Armstrong rose to ask that question, very pe~tinent to the question I am asking Mr. Salus. because that is the very question I wanted to ask Now, if Mr. Salus decides tonight to claim that the ques myself, but the answer that the gentleman from tion ask~d him was not a proper one, or if the gentleman Philadelphia gave is a bit confusing. I want the from A1mstrong insists that the query he made of the gentleman from Philadelphia, Mr. Salus, in view of gentleman from Philadelphia, Mr. Salus, is not as I have the fact that he makes these statements to the House as a result of a study of this bill to tell us in what mention~d it, then I say to you, Mr. Speaker, it becomes portion of the bill does the City Controller give over a very i llportant matter to have the records of Tuesday's to the Clerk of the Court of Quarter Sessions all the session -Jrought into the House and have them read for records vested at this time in his department? the info~mation of the Members before any further in "Mr. SALUS. There is some reference to these records in the next bill, Mr. Speaker. However, terrogat)on is had. these records would not belong to the Controller; The S?EAKER. The Chair does not wish to argue the they belong to the different departments which have matter any further but desires to have the gentleman placed them in his office. If this bill is passed, those different departments would have the right to take from Philadelphia confine himself to the question before those various records and place them wherever they the Ho~e. saw fit. They are not the pt'Operty 0f the Coniro'!l~r. The House will be at ease awaiting the arrival of the They are f urnished in a c9opel'ative system among records requested. the heads of the departments." Mr. SALUS. Mr. Speaker, even though the House is Shall the Chair continue further? at ease, I would like to say a word- Mr. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, I believe that was the end The SPEAKER. There is nothing to be said. The of the interrogation, was it not? House will be at ease for a few minutes. The SPEAKER. Many more pages. Mr. LEVY. I might inform the membership of the Mr. SALUS. Mr. Speaker, I wanted to save the House House that that is sufficient as far as I am concerned. and the Members a lot of time. I think I can do it if Now, I desire to interrogate the gentleman from Arm Mr. Lev-y will agree. strong, Mr. Gates. The SPEAKER. The Chair has the records reqm:sted The SPEAKER. Will the gentleman from Armstrong and is a.:Jout to read to the House the information asked permit himself to be interrogated? by the gentleman from Philadelphia, Mr. Levy, Reading Mr. GATES. I shall, Mr. Speaker. from th~ Legislative Journal of the House of March 2, Mr. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, I desire to inquire from the page 60E. gentleman from Armstrong as to whether or not from "ThE SPEAKER. Will the gentleman from Phila his own observation the question propounded by the delphia. permit himself to be interrogated? Speaker, quoting from the record, was not the exact "Mr. SALUS. I shall, Mr. Speaker? question he asked the gentleman from Philadelphia, Mr. "Mr. GATES. Mr. Speaker, I would like to have Salus? the gEntleman from Philadelphia guide me in my Mr. GATES. Mr. Speaker, it was the question that I vote, end I would like to know, if under this section asked. the Riil Commissioner who will be appointed by Mr. LEVY. If the gentleman from Armstrong has the Cl~rk of th.e Court of Quarter Sessions will have the ri5ht to the controller's information and the now changed his mind relative to the import of his proper:y records upon which the bond in his opinion question then I want him now to explain to the House is or i3 not acceptable as a bail bond. what he meant by the question to the gentleman from "Mr. SALUS. Mr. Speaker, I might answer the Philadelphia, Mr. Salus. gentlexia.n t.hat he will have those complete i·ecords Mr. GATES. Mr. Speaker, I will be very happy. It turned over to him, and U1ey a.r e up to da~e . They are fu:nished by the tax i·ece~ve.rs , the Recorder of seemed to me that in casting my vote upon such an im- 686 LEGISLATIVE JOURNA~HOUSE. March 8, portant measure I should enlighten myself personally man from Philadelphia, and I would say to the Repub on the question, whether the Bail Commissioner who lican party in Philadelphia that this bill is designated to would be appointed by the Clerk of the Quarter Sessions reinstate the racket bailor in Philadelphia. You cannot Court, had the right, not that the records should be carry out the reform measure set by the Legislature in turned over, but had the right to control the information ~937 under the terms of House Bill 313. It leaves too or the records from which he could properly form his many loopholes. opinion regarding the value of the bond that was of fered on the property? If that is true, if he has all the POINT OF ORDER information that the controller has, it would seem to me Mr. COHEN. Mr. Speaker, I arise to a point of order. that that is the proper place to have this procedure. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Philadelphia will Mr. LEVY. That is all I have to ask the gentleman state his point of order. from Armstrong, Mr. Gates. Mr. COHEN. Mr. Speaker, this is my fourth session The reason for the extensive questioning, Mr. Speaker, in this House, and in 1937 when we were in the majority is quite obvious to most of the men in the hall of the there were some caustic debates on the floor. I fre House. The very question that the gentleman from Arm quently found the gentleman from Delaware, Mr. Turner, strong asked of Mr. Salus is the crux of the whole argu blue in the face yelling about the Democrats, and I fre ment against this Philadelphia steal. quently found the gentleman from Dauphin, Mr. Wood Now, Mr. Speaker, they are harsh words, but if the side, straining the muscles in his neck yelling at the Speaker will recall, last Tuesday I made the same in Democrats, but I do not recall that the Democrats ever quiry on the floor of this House, and not one Republican kicked the spittoons or ever slammed their desks. I feel, member of the House from Philadelphia or from any Mr. Speaker, that the genlleman from Philadelphia, Mr. other part of the State rose to answer it, I asked the Levy, is entitled to the respect of this House and to gentleman from Philadelphia, following the inquiry of quiet from all sides. Mr. Gates-and it is in the official records-would the The SPEAKER. The point of order is well taken. Clerk of the Quarter Sessions Court have in his posses The Chair regrets that we have incidents such as this. sion, from the import of this bill, the official records The gentleman from Philadelphia, Mr. Levy, will proceed. that lie in the controller's office, he said, "Yes, provision Mr. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, on House Bill 313, like the is made in a later bill." other bill that passed second reading last week and is Now, Mr. Speaker, there is no clearer language than on third reading tonight, I challenge- that, and yet the gentleman from Philadelphia refused The SPEAKER. The gentleman will confine his rema.rks to answer the question tonight. I asked him again where to the question before the House, which is on the amend tn House Bill 313 are the official records transferred to ments to Section 1 of this bill. the Clerk of the Quarter Sessions Court? The gentleman Mr. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, I might inform the Speaker from Philadelphia, Mr. Salus, cannot answer the ques that this is House Bill No. 313. tion, not a Republican Member in this House can answer the question, because in House Bill 313, as in the previ The SPEAKER. The question before the House is on ous bill theJ·e is no such pi·ovision. the amendments of Section 1. The gentleman will kindly confine himself to that question. Let me set the gentleman from Armstrong clear about the practice in Philadelphia. The City Controller is the Mr. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, the Section 1 of the bill sub bookkeeper in Philadelphia. All duplicate records from stit:lte the words "Clerk of the Quarter Session Court" the Receiver of Taxes are sent to the City Controller. for "City Controller." If the Speaker can show me how Does the gentleman from Philadelphia, Mr. Salus, intend I can debate the amendment without talking about the merits of the bill, then I want to be shown. to convey to this House that he wants this bill to have the Receiver of Taxes send all his official records to the The SPEAKER. The gentlemen will proceed. Clerk of Quarter Sessions Court and not to the City Mr. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, I repeat that on House Bill Controller. Why does not the gentleman from Philadel 313 lhe Republican party in Philadelphia has been charged phia be fair about the question? Why doesn't he say, with attempting to bring back the bond scandal ;in Phila and he almost said it last week, that it is a job-grab, delphia of 1931 to 1936. My amendment changes the that it means four votes, four committeemen, four jobs? desire of the Republican party in Philadelphia. I say Why does he not admit on the floor of the House that it to the leadership in Philadelphia, if it needs four more is a trick, that it is a project of the Republican City Com jobs, this is a terrible bill in which to get them. mittee to take from the Democrats four jobs? It is not a If ihey need fom: jobs so badly that they want to be question, Mr. Speaker, of civic government with him, smirch the name of the City of Philadelphia as it was nor with any Republican that votes for this bill. We besmirched in the bond scandal of 1931 to 1936, then, my went into great detail last week about the scandal in God! they are going a long distance to get them. That Philadelphia in 1931 and the years following, up to 1937. is the purpose, and that is what it carries with it as the Every newspaper in Philadelphia, and, yes, newspapers inevitable result, bond scandals in Philadelphia. in Harrisburg carried the story where fifteen thousand The gentleman from Philadelphia, Mr. Salus, in last dollars worth of property was placed in bail for one week's questioning answered by saying, the records in million dollars. It is not a lie, it is no misstatment. the City Controller's office are public property, and there The gentleman from Philadelphia did not come upon the fore it is reasonable to suspect that because they are floor of this House last week and deny it. In fact, Mr. public property they might as well go to the Clerk of Speaker, he admitted it, and I would say to the gentle- the Quarter Sessions Court. 1943. LEGISLATIVE JOURNAL-HOUSE. 687 I say to y.ou, Mr. Speaker, that is not talking facts. He Mr. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, do I understand that the knows, beir:g an astute lawyer, that the City Contro1ler Chair declared with a bang of the gavel that the amend is the book_-{eeper, that he gets those records by an act ments had been agreed to? of City Co:mcil, that all those records are sent to his The SPEAKER. The amendments have not been agreed office autorr_atically, that in order for these various de to. partments ~o send their records to the Clerk of the Mr. LEVY. Do I understand then that the Speaker Quarter Se!:Sions Court it will take more money than the had announced very clearly that the "ayes" had it? City of Phil.3.delphia can raise in their iniquitous wage tax. The SPEAKER. May the Chair inform the gentleman The SPEAKER. The Chair would again remind the that it frankly admitted it was in error. Would the gentleman -;o confine his remarks to the question on the gentleman accept the frank admission of the Chair that amendment.; on Section 1. the Chair was in error and has tried to be fair to all Mr. LEV-l. Mr. Speaker, I hope the Speaker did not member.s while debating? think that l:ecause I mentioned wage tax that I would wax into that s11bject. QUESTION OF INFORMATION The SPE.AKER. 'l'he question before the House is: Will the House agree to the amendments of the gentleman Mr. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, I arise to a question of in from Phila:ielphia, Mr. Levy, and the gentleman from formation. PhiladelphE., Mr. Cullen, to Section 1 of the bill? The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Philadelphia will Mr. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, I might say, to convince state his question of information. some of the Republicans who believe in decent govern Mr. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, I desire to have the Speaker ment, that this bill has no place on the calendar. I think inform the House from what observation does the Speaker I said last week, that the Republican party of Pennsyl find he is in error? vania mig~ disagree with the Republican party in Phila The SPEAKER. The Chair would again inform the delphia on bills of this kind. · I do not know whether gentleman from Philadelphia that the Speaker was in that is true or not, but I say to the gentleman from error in making the declaration. Armstrong, like many other gentlemen on the other side of the roo-n who were interested in the question pro QUESTION OF INFORMATION pounded b~ the gentleman from Armstrong, that the an swer by till gentleman from Philadelphia, Mr. Salus, has Mr. WALTER E'. ROSE. Mr. Speaker, I arise to a ques no basis ir: fact. tion of information. The proo: of the fact remains that no one in this House The SPEAKER. The gentleman will state his question can show :me in either bill where provision is made for of information. the Clerk cf the Quarter Sessions Court to get the records Mr. WALTER E. ROSE. Mr. Speaker, I would like to from the C:mtroller's office. Do you know why they can inquire of the Chair whether he did not say before not? BecaLse this bill would have to provide for forty bringing down the gavel that the "Noes appear to have four jobs, messengers to run down to the Controller's it," and whether he did not thereafter have a slip of the office by t::ie hour and get the information and bring it tongue when he said "The ayes appear to have it"? up. The goentleman from Philadelphia knows it and the gentleman from Philadelphia knows that the amendments The SPEAKER. The Chair will request the Reporter to read just what happened. to section number one which I have offered are decent, (Reference was made to the Reporter's notes). and those amendments should be voted on and inserted in the bill The SPEAKER. According to the record the first words spoken before the decision was made were "The the c.uestion recurring, O~ nays appear to have it." That is according to the notes Will the House agree to the amendment? of three stenographic reporters . .The SPEAKER declared the nays appear to have it the ayes appear to have it-the ayes have it-is there any QUESTION OF INFORMATION wonder th~t one would be confused? The Chair is in error and will ~ccept a call for division in order to correct Mr. O'BRIEN. Mr. Speaker, I arise to a questiqn of the error •f the Speaker. information. The SPEAKER. The gentleman will state his questiou of information, QUESTION OF INFORMATION Mr. O'BRIEN. On the interrogation of the Speaker b:v Mr. O'ERIEN. Mr. Speaker, I arise to a question of the gentleman from Cambria, Mr. Rose, he seemed tcr informatio:J.. ask the questions and answer them also for the Speaker. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Philadelphia will I would just like to know how the Chair would rule on such an interrogation. state his <;"Uestion of information. The SPEAKER. The Chair would inform the gentle Mr. O'B:UEN. Mr. Speaker, when the gavel falls and man from Philadelphia, Mr. O'Brien, that the Chair does the Chair gives its decision, does the decision stand? not recall an interrogation by the gentleman from The SPI:AKER. The Chair has admitted frankly that Cambria. he was in error, to which the Chair is positive all the Mr. O'BRIEN. Mr. Speaker, on the point of informa members of the House will agree. tion the gentleman from Cambria, Mr. Rose, asked it Mr. O'BRIEN. Mr. Speaker, we do not agree. I object. the Chair did not first say "The noes appear to have it," 688 LEGISLATIVE JOURNAL-HOUSE. March 8, and then the Chair refused to recognize anybody. The Will the House agree to the section? Speaker then got the stenographic notes. But he also Messrs. CULLEN and LEVY offered the following further added that "The noes appear to have it" and amendments: then immediately ordered the stenographic notes read. Amend Sec. 2 (Sec. 18), page 4, line 3, by striking out The stenographic notes were "The noes appear to have the light-faced bracket before the word "city" and after it," but the point of information, Mr. Speaker, I have the w ord "controller." to ask is, what did you say in relation to whether the Amend Sec. 2 (Sec. 18) , page 4, lines 3 and 4, by ayes or the nays have it? striking out the following: "clerk of the court of" in line The SPEAKER. .The Chair would inform the gentle 3, and all of line 4. man from Philadelphia that he has been answered. The Amend Sec. 2 (Sec. 18), page 4, line 14, by str1king out the light-faced bracket before and after the w ord "con Chair has made a frank admission of his error. troller." Mr. LEVY. I accept the explanation of the Speaker, Amend Se<:. 2 (Sec. 111), page 4, lines 15 and 16, by and I would ask in the same vein unanimous consent that striking out the following: aH of line 15, and the words the Speaker extend me the courtesy to have a roll call. "delivery and quarter sessions" in line 16. Amend Sec. 2 (Sec. 18), page 4, lin 22, by striking On the question recurring, out the light-faced bracket pefore and after the word Will the House agree to the amendments? "controller." Amend Sec. 2 (Sec. 18), page 4, line 23, by striking The yeas and nays were required by Mr. Levy and Mr. out the words "said clerk." Modell and were as follows: Amend Sec. 2 (Sec. 18), ·r.iage 4, line 24, by strikin~ out the light-faced bracket before and after the word YEAS-63 "controller." A mend Sec 2 (Sec. 18), page 4, line 24, by striking out Baker, Elllott, Mihm, Rose, S., the word "clerk." Barrett, Finnerty, Modell, Sarraf, Amend Sec. 2 (Sec. 19), page 4, line 26, by striking Bentley, Goodwin, Mooney, Scanlon, Bentzel, Grant, Moran, Schuster, out the light-faced bracket· before and after the wotd Boles, Green, Munley, Skale, "controller." Boory, Haberlen, O'Brien, Snider, Amend Sec. 2 (Sec. 19), page 4, lines 26, 27 and 28, by Bradley, Hamilton, O'Neill, Swope, strJk ing out the following: "clerk of the court" in line Brlgennan, Heatherington, Owens, Tate, 26, all of line 27, and the word "sessions" in line 28. Brown, Hoggard, Petrosky, Thompson, Amend Sec. 2 (Sec. 19), page 5, line 8, b:y: strikin" Brunner, P. A., Kirley, Pettit, Trent, ou t the light-faced bracket bebfore the word 'city" an~ Cohen, Kolanklewlcz, Polaski, Verona, Coleman, Lane, Powers, Weiss, after the word "contr oller.' Corrigan, Leonard, Readinger, Welsh, Amend Sec. 2 (Sec. J9) , page 5, lines 8, 9 and 10, by Cullen, Levy, Reese, R. E., Wright, striking out the following: "clerk of the court of" in D1llon, Longo, Regan, Yester, line 8, all of line 9, and the part-word "sions" in line 10. Dutfy, Lovett, · Reynolds, Amend Seo. 2 (Seo. 20 ), page 5, line 11, by strikini? out th e light-faced bracket before the word "City" and NAYS-116 after the w or d "Philadelphia." Alspach, Fullerton, Laughner, Root, Amend Sec. 2 (S c. 20), pag 5, lines 11, 12 and 13 by Barton, Garber, Lee, Rose, W. E., striking ouL foe :following: "clerk" in line 11, all of lfue Bonawitz, Gardner, Leisey, Rowley, 12, a11d the words "and guarter sessfons" in line 13. Boorse, Gates, Leydic, Royer, Amend Sec. 2 (Sec. 20) page 5, lines 15 and 16, by Bower, Gillan, Lichtenwalter, Salus, striking out the light-faced bPacket befor e the word Boyd, Goodling, Livingstone, Sarge, "City" in line 15, and after the word "con~roller" in Brether!ck, Gorman, Lyons, Serrill. Brice, Greenwood, Madigan, Simons, line 16. Brunner, c. H., Gross, Mahany, Smith, Amend Sec. 2 (Sec. 20), page 5, line 16, by striking Cadwalader, Gyger, McAtee, Sollenberger, out the word "clerk " Campbell, Hall, McClester, Sorg, Cook, H:innon, McKinney , Stonier, On the question, Cooper, Ha,re, McMllien, Tahl, Cordier, Haudenshield, McSurdy, Taylor, Will the House agree to the amendments? Costa, Helm, Menna, Thrasher, Mr. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, I would ask the House to Coulson, Hewitt, Miller, Tiemann, Dague, Hottman, Mln:tess, Van Allsburg, sup'Port the amendments offered to Section 2 for the Dalrymple, Holmes, Mock, Wachhaus, same reasons outlined in Section 1. I only want to say Denman, Hunter, w. M., Moore. Wagner, K. H., Dennison, Imbrle, Moser, Wagner, P. L .• to a lot of my brethren on the other side of the House, Depuy, Irvin, Muir, Wallin, maybe they do not care much about Philadelphia, nor Eldetr, James. Murray, Walton, Ely, Jones, Nowak, Watkins, much about the bail racket, but I want to say to them Erb, Kennedy, O'Dare, Winner, that I guess they will go where their other brethren Flglock, Kitchen. Reagan, Wood, L. H., Flack, Kline, Reese, D. P., Wood, N., went, because in 1939 when the Republican party stood Fleming, Kowalski, Re!lly, Worley, for trash like this they did not come back in 1941. Fox, Krepps, Riley, Yeakel, Freed. Krfse, Robertson, Flss, Mr. Speaker, I request a roll call. Speaker. The yeas and nays were required by Mr. Levy and Mr, So the question was determined in the negative and Skale and were as follows: the amendments were not agreed to. YEAS-62 On the question recurri.p.g, Will the House agree to the section? Baker. Finnerty, Mooney, Sarre.f, It was agreed to. Barrett. Goodwin, Moran, Scanlon, Bentley, Grant, Munley, Schuster, The second section was read. Bentzel, Green, O'Brien, Skale, On the question, Boies, Haberlen, O'Nel!I, Snider, Boory, Hamilton, ,, Owens, St.sink, 1943. LEGISLATIVE JOURNAL-HOUSE. 689 Brigennan Heatherington, Petrosky, Swope, defend or oppose any bill, but I feel that on this par Brown, Kirley, Pettit, Tate, ticular bill I must say something at this time. Brunner, :. A., Kolanklewlcz, Polaski, Thompson, Cohen, Leonard, Powers, Trent, I do not rise in opposition to this bill because it is a Coleman, Levy. Readinger, Verona, Corrigan, Longo, Reese, R. E., Weiss, job-steal or a job-grab, because I think that this is a Cullen, Lovett, Regan, Welsh, very incidental and small part of this entire matter. I Dillon, Maxwell, Reynolds, Wright, do not rise in opposition to this bill as a Democrat oppos Duffy, Mihm, Rose. s., Yester, Elliott, Mod ell, ing a Republican-sponsored bill, but I do rise, Mr. Speaker, in a conscientious effort to do my legislative NAYS-118 duty on laws that we are about to pass upon. I can not Alspach, Garber, Laughner, Rowley, bring myself to believe that the Members of this House Barton, Gardner, Lee, Royer, will actually vote in favor of the type of, legislation as Bonawitz, Gates, Leisey, Salus, Boorse, Gillan, Leydic, Sarge, shown in this particular bill. Bower, Goodling, Lichtenwalter, Serrill, Boyd, Gorman, Livingstone, Simons, I know, Mr. Speaker, a great deal has been said about Bretherick Greenwood, Lyons, Smith, the bail scandal racket in Philadelphia during the years Brice, Gross, Madigan, Sollenberger, 1928 to 1936, and I do not intend to speak at length upon Brunner, H .• Gyger, Mahany, Sorg, Calvin, -· Hall, McAtee, Stockham, that. You have alreay heard a great deal about it, and Campbell, Hannon, McC!ester, Stonier, I may say in addition to the remarks that you have heard Cook, Hare, McKinney, Tahl, Cooper, Haudenshield, McMlllen, Taylor, tonight, certainly all of us know that the City Controller Cordier, Helm, Menna, Thrasher, is the city bookkeeper.. It is his constitutional duty to Coulson, Hewitt, Mlller, Tiemann, keep the records of the City and there is nothing in these Costa, Hoffman, Mintess, Tur0€tt, Dague, Holmes, Mock, Van Allsburg, bills to indicate that at any time the Clerk of the Quarte:· Dalrymple. Hoopes, Moore. Wachhaus Sessions Court will ever have in his possession these Denman, Hunter, w. M., Moser, Wagner, K. H., Dennison, Huntley, Muir, Wagner, P. L., records as audited by the City Controller. Depuy, Imbrle, Murray, Wallin, I believe it is necessary that we get the opinion of Elder, Irvin, Nowak, Walton, Ely, James, O'Dare, Watkins, people who are not going to work only on party lines, Erb, Jones, Reagan. Winner. but of people who are really interested in good govern Flglock, Kennedy, Reese, D. P., Wood, L. H., ment and good la»vs. We have in the city of Philadelphia Flack, Kitchen, Reilly, Wood, N., Fleming, Kline, Riley, Worley, a Board of Judges, composed at the present time of four Fox, Kowalski, Robertson, Yeakel, teen Republican judges and seven Democratic judges. Freed, Krepps, Root, Fiss, Fullerton, Krise, Rose, W. E., Speaker. That Board of Judges has the respect and confidence of all the people of Philadelphia and probably of the state, So the question was determined in the negative and and therfore I have taken it upon myself to bring before the amendments were not agreed to. that body these bills for an opinion from them. On the question recurring, I would like to read at this time a letter that I have Will tre House agree to the section? directed to the Honorable Francis Shunk Brown, J.r., It was agreed to. Secretary of the Board of Judges of Philadelphia. The th:rd section was read. On the question, Dear Judge Brown: Will tlE House agree to the section? It is my desire to bring to your attention, as Sec Mr. MODELL. Mr. Speaker, are you calling this bill retary of the Board of .fl.tdKes, two measures now up now as it was, not as amended? before the Pennsylvania General Assembly, namely House Bills No. 312 and 313, which are amendments The SFEAKER. The amendments were not agreed to. to the laws of 1937, and which in effect would destroy Mr. MODELL. Mr. Speaker, I desire to speak on this the present safeguards relative to bail approval. I.f enacted into law, these bills would take the bill. aLithoritv t.a approv bail :Crum the City Controller The S?EAKER. We are now on the third section. and vesL il in the Clerk of Quarter Sessions, Oyer Does the gentleman wish to speak on this section of the aJlC'i Term.in& and G1,'!11era1 Jal! Deliverv, who also Teceives bail. .No doub .vou vlvidly :recall the straw bill? bail scandals whli>h ex is ·ed from 1928 to 1937 and Mr. MODELL. I desire to speak on the bill. which were exposed following a Gl·and Jury in vestigation. IL ).s my understanding tbat the Dlstrict The SPEAKER. Does the gentleman desire to speak on ALtorney and the Boru:d o;f Judges I.oak a very active the bill vhen it is on third reading or before it is finally part in stamping out Lbls most vlcfou.s pTacUc.e. agreed tc on second reading? Thereafter, in 1937 the General Assembly enacted legislation providing that the City Con.t1·oller should Mr. MODELL. Before it is finally agreed to on second have the authority to approve all bail. Since that reading, :.\fr. Speaker. time, the bail "racket" has disappeared from Phila On the question recurring, delphia, ~ nd a remarkable reform accomplished in Will tre House agree to the section? this respect. It was :igreed to. Tn mJ)' opinion, this mai.te.i· vitally affects very clL!.zen of Philadelphfa. S.lnce the Board o.t Judges The tit:e was read and agreed to. bave Lhe conn.dence f the people or .Philadelphia, On the question, and ate fiilly f!w: re or the danl{el' of this proposed JegisJali lp, Lhe,y 110 ociubt desire to express i.heir dis Will th~ House agree to the bill on second reading? apprfJvaJ. l\s lhes ' bills a1· now on !bird and second Mr. MODELL. Mr. Speaker, it has been on very few reading calendars, respectively, in the House of Rep resentatives, lt ls urgent that we have your irnmed~ occasions that I have arisen on the floor of this House to ate consideration. Under the circumstances, I should 690 LEGISLATIVE JOURNAL-HOUSE. March 8, be gratefol for a r eply by return mail, setting forth No. 86, was passed over at the request of Mr. LLOYD the attitude of the Board of Judges, relative to the H. WOOD. above. So that my colleagues may have the benefit of your thoughts in this matter, I shall request the House of BILLS ON THIRD READING Representatives to withheld further action, pending yow· reply . . Will you be good enough to direct your BILLS PASSED OVER communication to me in Harrlsburg. There being no objection House Bill No. 281, Printer's No. 31, was passed over at the request of Mr. FULLER MOTION TO POSTPONE TON. Mr. MODELL. Mr. Speaker, I do not believe there is a There being no objection House Bill No. 232, Printer's great need for rush on this bill. I believe in all fairness No. 43, was passed over at the request of Mr. IRVIN, to everyone concerned these bills can wait the impartial There being no objection House Bill No. 312, Printer's I verdict of this Board of Judges. do not believe I am No. 49, was passed over at the request of Mr. IRVIN, asking too much of this House when I move that this bill and its companion bill be put upon the postponed calendar until we receive a reply from the Board of Judges, and Agreeably to order, I so move you, and that they remain upon the postponed The bill having been called up from the postponed calendar. Calendar by Mr. WALTER E. ROSE. On the question, ' The House resumed the consideration on third reading Will the House agree to the motion? of House bill No. 132, entitled: It was not agreed to. On the question recurring, An Act to amend the title and sections one and two of lhe ac approv.ed the twenty-sixth day of. May one thou Will the House agree to the bill on second reading? sand eight hunch·ed ninety-seven (P. L. 106) entitled "An Mr. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, I am not going to prolong the act prohlbiting tl1e discharge :from public ·posi.tion,s of ·debate. I only want to ask the gentleman from Philadel Union soldiers without a reasonal~le cause and prohibit phia and his colleagues from Philadelphia to study the ing the abolishmen t of or changing the emolun1ents ot p_t1blic offices occupied by Union soldiers except for good bill overnight and come to the House tomorrow prepared reason' by extending the provisions to all honorably dis to tell us where in the bills transfer is made of the records charged persons who served or shall hereafter serve in to the Clerk of the Quarter Sessions Court. the military or naval service during any war in which On the question recurring, the United States was engaged or may hereafter engage and fixing penal ties Will the House agree to the bill on second reading? It was agreed to. On the question, And said bill having been read at length the second Will the House agree to the bill on third reading? time and agreed to. Ordered, To be transcribed for a third reading. BILL RECOMMITTED QUESTION OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE Mr. WALTER E. ROSE. Mr. Speaker, I move that this bill be recommitted to the Committee on Military Mr. O'BRIEN. Mr. Speaker, I rise to a question of per Affairs, for the purpose of further study and possible sonal privilege. amendment. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Philadelphia will The motion was agreed to. state his question of personal privilege. Mr. O'BRIEN. Mr. Speaker, in order that my constitu HOUSE RESOLUTION No. 14 ency may not feel embarrassed about my actions on the preceding bill, I would like to read into the record from Mr. BRETHERICK. Mr. Speaker, I desire to call up page 748 of the Pennsylvania Manual, No. 248, Decisions House Resolution No. 14, Printer's No. 87. of the House. The resolution was read by the Clerk as follows: "Call for Roll not in Order After Decision is An nounced." In the House of Representatives, February 8, 1943. "248, A motion having been decidedly agreed to on Whereas, Hundreds of Lhousands of Pennsylvania in a v~va voce vote, a request was made by a member come taxpayers in the lower brackets have eA1Jended their that t he Chair withdraw h1s decision and permit a increased earnings during the year 1942 for the payment roll call. The point of order was made that the of de_pression debts, for the purchase o:f much needed Speaker having announced his decision ·on the vole, clothing for themselves and their childi-en, :for i·ehabilita a request .foi· a roll caJl is out of order. The Speake!' tion of their homes and .for similar purposes; and sustained the point of order." (Legislative Journal, Whereas, The present system will impose upon our tax Augusl 9, 1932, p. !l68.) payers a burden of debt to the Gover nment which they will be unable Lo discharge; and The SPEAKER. The remarks of the gentleman under Whel'eas, The present system of taxation is harsh and his question of personal privilege will be noted upon the burdensome and will impose upon the widows and children Journal. of departed breadwinners a millstone of indeptedness to the Government; and BILL ON FINAL PASSAGE Whereas, The present system of income tax payments produce a form of Government imposed serfdom upon BILL PASSED OVER our citizens; therefore be it Resolved (if the Senate concur), That the General As There being no objection Hollse Bill. No. 193, Printer's s.,mblv Tnsmnri"li"" t.h .. Cnn.,....,= nf th" U:rtlted S t:otes to 1943. LEGISLATIVE JOURNAL-HOUSE. 691 0 adopt, v.ith all possible dispatch, the Ruml pay-as-you to memorialize Congress, and cause the state the expense go-pJan for the payment of Federal Income Tax; and be of writing the resolution, at the same time dispatching it ftttlha- it to Congress, when we each as members of a certain Resol\..ed, That the Chief Clerk of the House of Rep1·e congressional constituency, can sit down and write a sentatives shall immecliately forward a copy of this resolu tion to ;be President of the United States, the President letter to our Congressman and get the same result. of the enate, the Speaker of the House of Representa In addition to that, Mr. Speaker, I think conscientiously tives, ar.:d to each Senator and Member of the House of and sincerely that the Ruml plan helps but a very few Represe'ltatives of the United States from Pennsylvania. individuals and none of those people who were inter On tbe question, ested in the successful prosecution of the war. · Those Will ·he House adopt the resolution? people who were in defense industries in the year 1942, Mr. O'BRIEN. Mr. Speaker, I desire to interrogate the chances are that their salaries in the year 1943 will the gemleman from Delaware, Mr. Bretherick. be increased, but this Ruml plan will help many people who have never contributed one little iota in connection The 3PEAKER. . Will the gentleman from Delaware with the prosecution of the war. permit himself to be interrogated? To illustrate, Mr. Speaker, we will take, for instance Mr. BRETHERICK. I shall, Mr. Speaker. building contractors, who today are restricted through Mr. O'BRIEN. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the priorities because of the fact that the material they gentlen.an from Delaware, Mr. Bretherick, will he admit must use could be used successfully in prosecution of that there are a great many influential and successful the war, will be restricted from making any great deal men who were fortunate enough to make a great deal of money during the year 1943, but who in the year 1942, of mot.ey in the year 1942, and under the Ruml plan before the restrictions were put into effect, were able to those nen would pay little or nothing on their 1942 taxes? make millions of dollars. That is only one instance, but Mr. BRETHERICK. Mr. Speaker, I think the gentle there are many instances of similar circumstances of man i~ entirely in error in arriving at that conclusion. people, who as I say have never contributed one iota to As a aatter of fact the Carlson amendments to the Ruml the successful prosecution of the war. I urge all the plan vill prevent the so-called windfalls, and if a per Members to oppose this resolution for the reasons stated. son m~de a very substantial sum in 1942 and very little Mr. BRETHERICK. Mr. Speaker, in reply to the in 194 !, he must pay his income tax on the larger sum, gentleman from Philadelphia, may I say that in a recent on an~ income in excess of twenty thousand dollars. In Gallup Poll ninety-one per cent of the taxpayers of the any e•ent may I say this, that even if there were not an United States of America expressed themselves in favor amenc:ment to the Ruml plan, that I would still be in 0 of the Ruml pay-as-you-go Plan. favor <>f the Ruml plan because it would benefit thou sands and thousands of poor individuals in the lower May I say too that in a poll taken in November of incone brackets, even though it might help one in the last year seventy..,five per cent of the taxpayers of this larger income bracket. nation have not prepared themselves for the payment of the 1942 income taxes, and seventy-one per cent of those Mr. O'BRIEN. Mr. Speaker, in reference to these so persons have greatly underestimated the amount of taxes called Carlson amendments, I must say that I could not which they were going to have to pay. anticbate the answer of the gentleman from Delaware, Mr. :Iketherick, but I would like to further interrogate the Mr. Speaker, I ask for a roll call on this resolution. gentleman from Delaware, Mr. Bretherick. Mr. PETROSKY. Mr. Speaker, I desire to interrogate The SPEAKER. The gentleman will proceed. the gentleman from Delaware, Mr. Bretherick. Mr. O'BRIEN. Mr. Speaker, does the gentleman from The SPEAKER. Will the gentleman from Delaware Dela\;Tare, Mr. Bretherick, feel that the majority of the permit himself to be interrogated? peop~ who are now employed in defe.nse industries would Mr. BRETHERICK. I shall, Mr. Speaker. be benefitted by the Ruml plan? Mr. PETROSKY. Mr. Speaker, I desire to know from Mr BRETHERICK. Mr. Speaker, may I say in reply the gentleman from Delaware, Mr. Bretherick, what is that the persons who are now employed in defense in this so-called Ruml Plan in all its effects upon the tax dustries are making substantial wages for the first time payers of Pennsylvania. in many years. Those persons have used most of their Mr. BRETHERICK. In a word, Mr. Speaker, the Ruml incone for the payment of depression debts, for the pur plan will permit Pennsylvania taxpayers to pay their chase of much needed clothing for themselves and their taxes as they earn them. In other words, when they wives and children, for refurnishing their homes with come to the end of a tax year, they will not have the new furniture, furniture that was much needed, I would burden of a former year's tax hanging over their heads. say :his would positively help thousands of persons, no It is a pay-as-you-go plan pure and simple. I do not doutt, under the Ruml plan, whose taxes could not be think it is very difficult of comprehension. coll~ted effectively in any other manner. Otherwise, I Mr. PETROSKY. Mr. Speaker, I desire to know from say this, that those people would be paying their total the gentleman from Delawa.re, Mr. Bretherick, what taxes in one year, and as a practical matter that will not happens to last year's income tax. war::: out. Mr. BRETHERICK. Last year's income, in effect is M:-. O'BRIEN. Mr. Speaker, I desire to thank the paid in 1943, but we must not lose sight of the fact that genfleman from Delaware, Mr. Bretherick. tax receivables are not carried as assets on the books I rise to oppose this resolution for more reasons than of the United States Treasury, only taxes paid are car one I think it is ridiculous for this body, first of all, ried as an asset on the books of the United States 692 LEGISLATIVE JOURNAL-HOUSE. March 8, Treasury. 1942 taxes will not be paid in 1943. Under this and a lesser burden for future posterity in our tax pro plan the 1943 taxes will be paid in 1943, so that you will gram? get more money in 1943 under this plan that you would Mr. BRETHERICK. Mr. Speaker, I most certainly get if you would get your 1942 taxes in 1943. It is just r.annot agree with the gentleman. In the first place that as broad as it is long, you get the taxes for 19.43 regard scheme of taxation would be placing a harsh and undue less. burden on people in the lower income tax brackets who Mr. PETROSKY. Mr. Speaker, I desire to know from have not been able to pay their 1942 taxes, and who the gentleman from Delaware, Mr. Bretherick, whether certainly would not be able to pay their 1942 taxes and or not there will be an anticipated loss of revenue to the their 1943 taxes as well. Treasury if this so-called Ruml tax plan is put into effect. Mr. PETROSKY. Mr. Speaker, I desire further to Mr. BRETHERICK. Mr. Speaker, there will not be an know from the gentleman from Delaware Mr. Brethe anticipated loss, because as I have explained, tax re:. rick, what effect this plan would have toward inflation ceivables are not assets until they are actually paid, and of currency in our country. they will be paid in 1943. Mr. BRETHERICK. Mr. Speaker, .it will p1:01J ably Mr. PETROSKY. M1'. Speaker, I deslre fUrLher to know have Lhe vel'y desirable effect Of preventing inflation. from the gentleman from Delaware, Mr. Brethedck. Mr. PETROSKY. Mr. Speaker , I ar,ise to oppose this whether Lhere will be some taxes paid fo.1· the year of resoluLion nol merely because I am interested in who is 1942 if this plan do'es not g into effect. going to pay lhe grealer share of this lax or who is going Mr. BRETHERICK. Mt". S peaker, I aSsum that the j.o be more greatly benefited by the adoption of the gcnLkman is correct. Part of l:llo Laxes would b pai(:! Ruml pay-as-you-go pl.an, but I a rise lo state that thti under this plan, 1· some ol the 1942 laxes would be loss in t he financial i:e venue by curtailing Lhe payment of pai.d but certainly if th.is plan gues into effect, Lhos · who \h 1942 tax is cer ainly passing ihe buck on lo posterity pa'id their 1942 tax will be given a o.reclit as against to !'lJ1are the load whicn should be borne today. It is their 1943 .tax. IL would be absolutely unfair and W'l my firm belief Lhat today is Lhe day lo pay l:a.xes, for Amerlcan to tax a Jew peopl who have paid their 1942 today we have a greater national income than at any taxes and forgive those who did not do so. time in Lh e past and at any time probably in the futuve. Mr. FETllOSKY. Mr. Speaker l desire to further I will c.ite an exarnpJe to you of a co ndition which know ·fltom the gentleman fl'Om Delawa:re, Mr. Bretheric];,, has arisen noL r;inly in my own community back l•ome. as to what effect this p.lan would have on the Treasury but in _many 'communities throughouf; Lhe Slate, and that if adopted by our Congl.'ess. is the .fact that at one Lime wllcn the assessed valuations .Mr. BRETHERlCK. Mr. Speaker, will the genllema'n on propel'ly ~n political s ubdivis1on were very high, cer tell me ju what i·espect? Financially? tain authori·Lies in tile political subdivision hii,~ chosen to Mr. PETR0SKY. Financially, Mt'. Speaker. plan o~· p1·ogram of financial responsibility. Those cer tain authoi·H.ies levied a very small tax upon the assessed Mr. BRETHERICK. Mr. Speaker, I think I have an valuation at the time, or a very low millage. In doing swered that question twJce. It will have no ffect be l.Jiat they were pr otecling the person who undoubledly cause, as I say, tax receivables are not carl'led on ~he books as assets. They are only canied as asi;ets when would h · b nefiled by it, the same calll:>re of person who they are paid, and when tbey are paid in 1943 as 1043 would undoubtedly b b Qnefited by t his so- called Ruml taxes they ar still assets the same as i! they were paid pay-as-you-go plan. Jn so doing +hey subjected Lhe under the 19'12 a.ct. "fulu1·e taxpayei•s of those political subdivisions to a great 6naucial burden. I speak of the small home owner and Mr. PETROSKY. Mr. Speaker, I desire to know ~he fn1'm r and the layman who ls e.ndeavoring to s~r ike whether the loss of revenue from the 1942 taxes would a bai'gain. at practically any co t ·1.oday. This tax plan have some effect upon ~he national defense p1·og1•arn and will h1;1ve lhe same efl' ct in passing the so-called buck. upon our federal administration. that we have been get-ting during this entii:e session, on Mi:. BRETHERfCK. In what J:espect, Mr. Speaker? to postel'Lty, who positively will not be in tlle position Mr. PETROSKY. Fjnancially, Mr. Speaker. that we are in today to pay it. Therefore I would urge Mr. BRETHERICK. Mr. Speaker, there will be more a11 t he members of this House to vote against the resolu 'taxes paid under the pay-as-you-go _pJan, because tax s tion. wiU be deducted al Lhe somce. Then~ will be probably Mr. ALSPACH. Mr. Speaker. 1 second the reque-t for hundreds of thousands o.f persons paying their taxes a roll call. 1•"lder thi.~ Rum1 pl.an who would n9t pay thefr t.axe Mt'. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, I would ask the pleasl.in• of .... tnerwise. As :fa1· as lh · national defense program .is asking -the gentleman !Tom Delaware two questions Mr. llO concerned, there is doubt about the great advantage ~peaker, to be galned by at\opling the °RLllnl pay-as-l'OLt-go plan. The SPEAKER. Will the gentleman from Delaware Mr. PET_nosKY. Mr. Speaker, I desire to further permit h imself to be interrogated'! know from. lhe gentJeman fl:'om Delaware, Ml'.. Bt•ei.her ick, whether ou r national defense program could no.t be fur Mr. B.RETHERICK. tvI.r. Speaker, I assure tou that thered mt1ch mol'e by lhe payment nf t hr 1912 income !hr. pJeasu.re .i;; mutua.I, but th gentleman asked me if I ta.xes under the so-called adopted tax 1tol lo b rnoni wo uld an.swer one quest.ion and he immedi.alely doubled it. kered a,s the Ruml tax plan, bttt some plan ot the same Ml'. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, 1 desire to inquire o1 Lhe caliber, and would that m:>t provide a grea:ter revenue gentleman from. Delaware w hether he is aware of the 1943. LEGISLATIVE JOURNAL-HOUSE. 693 fact ti-at the Ways and Means Committee of Congress Mr. BRETHERICK. That is correct. May I say this has toll.ight reported the Rum! plan out unfavorably by in answer to the statement made by the gentleman from a vote of fifteen to nine? Allegheny, that this particular plan was before t~e Ways Mr. 3RETHERICK. Mr. Speaker, I was unaware of it, and Means Committee on another occasion and they re but t~re is some hope that they might reconsider it. ported it out unfavorably, but it went back to Commit The W;iys and Means Committee, even of Congress does tee for further study thereafter in view of the nation those things. wide demand. Ninety-one per cent. of all the tax payers Mr. LEVY. Mr. Speaker, I desire to further ask the have expressed themselves in favor of the Ruml pay gentlenan from Delaware, Mr. Bretherick, if he would as-you-go plan, so there may be enough clamor to force not br=ak down and really confess that his resolution it back into committee and finally let the people of the memor.alizing Congress to adopt with all possi'Qle dis United States have what they want, rather than what patch the Rum! pay-as-you-go plan is in reality a gesture the Treasury Department of the United States wants to to reli.=ve the poor over-burdened Delaware Countians give them. from be Philadelphia wage tax. Mr. SAMUEL ROSE. Mr. Speaker, I desire to interro Mr. :aROWN. Mr. Speaker, I wanted to ask the gentle gate the gentleman from Delaware, Mr. Bretherick. man from Delaware the same question that was ar.ked The SPEAKER.. Will the gentleman from Delaware by the gentleman from Philadelphia, Mr. Levy, because permit himself to be interrogated? I am :nterested in this resolution, and I am sorry the Mr. BRETHERICK. Ad infinitum, · Mr. Speaker. resolution did not appear on our calendar earlier. I Mr. SAMUEL ROSE. Mr. Speaker, is. the gentleman feel th.3.t now it would be a rather vain gesture to vote familiar with the plan advanced by Randolph Paul, who for thiE resolution, and I should like to ask the gentleman is the Undersecretary of the Treasury, which is a pro a furtlaer question bearing out the information that he posed compromise pay-as•you-go plan? received. Mr. BRETHERICK. Mr. Speaker, I have heard of it The 3PEAKER. Will the gentleman from Delaware, Mr. but I'haven't studied it. In view of the fact that ninety Brethe~ick, P'ermit himself to be interrogated? one per cent of the American people want the Ruml pay• Mr. BRETHERICK. I shall Mr. Speaker. as-you-go plan, l wasn't very much interested in what their plan was. Mr. 3ROWN. Mr. Speaker, I know that the gentleman Mr. SAMUEL ROSE. Mr. Sp'eaker, is the gentleman from :::>elaware will admit that the inc.ome taxes for familiar with the fact that the House Ways and Means the yeer 1942 will be payable March 15, this coming Committee have reported that particular plan out un Monda-;; that is correct is it not? favorably? Mr. BRETHERICK. That is right, not in toto; They Mr. BRETHERICK. Mr. Speaker, Mr. Levy has just may b~ paid on the installment plan; in four quarterly advised me to that effect, Does the gentleman mean the payme::i.ts, Paul plan? Mr. 3ROWN. And millions of taxpayers of this nation Mr. SAMUEL ROSE. The Paul plan, Mr. Speaker. have £!ready sent in their installments or the full tax Mr. BRETHERICK. Mr. Speaker, there is a ~hance, I for the year 1942? would say, that the clamor raised by the American people Mr, BRETHERICK. That is correct, Mr, Speaker. may be sufficiently strong to again put the plan back into Mr. BROWN. And that before March 15 it will be Committee and give the American people what they want. imposs ble for the Congress of the United States to pass Mr. SAMUEL ROSE. Mr. Speaker, isn't it true. that this ~asure if it were reported out of committee to the proposed compromise pay-as-you-go plan bas the effect morro'.m'? that tb..e gentleman just stated the Ruml plan would have, Mr. BRETHERICK. That is correct, Mr. Speaker. in reply to an interrogation of the gentleman from Alle gheny, Mr. Brown? Mr. BROWN. Then I want to ask why should we vote on thi::. resolution at all. I say that not because I am Mr. BRETHERICK. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman kindly repeat hi Mr. CULLEN. Mr. Speaker, what is the effect of the then I think there is something wrong. It seems to me Ruml plan in relation to professional men? It is my if someone came down the road and told me that I would understanding that on the pay-as-you-go plan, if you not have to pay something I owed, they would certainly have a salary by the week or month, what provision does get one hundred percent response. The point is that the the Ruml plan make in relation to ministers, farmers and Ruml plan is going to help a lot of the "fat cats", keep doctors? a lot of the defense plants that made millions and mil Mr. BRETHERICK. Mr. Speaker, minister£·, farmers, lions of dollars in 1942, but are making less money this doctors· and lawyers will pay on the same basis except year because renegotiation of contracts has cut into their I assume that they will be thrifty enough to save their profits considerably, I think the people of America are money as they go along. There is no way by which quite ready to pay their share of this burden. If the under the Ruml plan there can be a withholding at the people of America were attempted to be sold a gold brick source because the fees paid to lawyers and money paid on a statement made by Mr. Ruml and which would not to doctors or to farmers for farm product& are not sus be completely explained in any newspaper, we would ceptible to withholding at the source. find that the greater number of the American public would be perfectly willing to forego the blessing& of the IMr. CULLEN. Mr. Speaker, I understand from the Ruml plan, and be willing to pay for the war as we go gentleman's reply that a lawyer, or rather a professional along. I think we are underestimating the feeling or man, will make a report at the end of the year? determination of the American people. If the facts were Mr. BRETHERICK. Quarterly, Mr. Speaker1 they make properly put before them they would pay even more. the report quarterly, every quarter. Moreover we know that they will have to pay more be Mr. CULLEN. Mr. Speaker in relation to firms who cause we know that in Canada and Great Britain taxes declare their profits semi-annually and annually? are almost double what we are paying in America even Mr. BRETHERICK. Firms are not covered by this. under these higher rates. I think the Ruml plan is about By firms the gentleman I presume means corporations? to lapse. There may be some features which might be Mr. CULLEN. · No, Mr. Speaker, not neoes£arily cor put into a pay-as-you-go plan, but I understand that porations. A firm that deC'Jal'es its profit seml-an:nually the Rum.l plan was defeated by the House Ways and or annually. They do not necessru'ily have to be cor Means Committee in Wasltington. I think it is somewhat porations. Are they exempt from the Ruml plan? of a gesture, I think it is somewhat late and futile that we should debate the Ruml plan or memorialize Congress Mr. BRETHEJRICK. The gentleman evidently means on the sttbject. The pure Ruml plan seems to be done that partnerships which are closed corporations are not and this is a mere gesture to memorialize Congress to covered by the Ruml plan. They pay ordinary income adopt it now. taxes in any event. Mr. LEONARD. Mr. Speal Mr . 0 BRIEN. Mr . SpeaJter, the only question I wanted In the House of Representatives, March 8, 1943. t o ask t "e gen tleman from Delaware, Mr. Breihedck, was Wheeeas, The obseevance of the Sabbath Day is a na· w hethe1· or not he had lntr oduced this resolu tion m emo tional he.ritage of great pr ice; and rializing Congress prior to the Carlson amendment ot Whe1·eas, Th Cornmon weallh of P ennsylvanfa has al the Ruml Plan, but inasmuch as he excused himself on ways been in the forefront. among the St ates comprising account Qf the .fact that he has a sore throat, I will desist this N ation in ils recognition of this sacred Day; and in my i•terrogati on. Wher ea . In w a rtime, the distress of the people of the world and of this Country as an active par ticipant has On th=! question recurring, punctualed and emphasized the value of this Holy Day ; Will be House adopt the resolution? and Whereas, The Chw:ches of our land, by virtu e of their The ~as and nays were requir ed by Mr. Bretherick observance of the Sabbath Day in Pennsylvania and and Mr. Alspach and were as follows: throughout our Coun try, are mak ing a vital contribution to the high morale necessary t o its advancement ; and YEAS-118 Whereas, The Sabbath Day is being observed by the members of our armed forces in every part of the world; Alspach, Freed. Lee, Salus, and Barton. Fullerton, Leydic, Sarge, Bonawit:i= Garber, Lichtenwalter, Serrill, Whereas, The House of Representatives and the Senate Boorse, Gardner. Livingstone, Simons, desire to demonstrate t lielx deep interest in the contin Bower, Gates, Lyons, Smith, ued observance of this sacred Day; Lh eJ;efore be it Boyd, Gillan. Madigan, Sollenberger, Bretheric:::, Goodling, Mahany , Sorg, Resolved (if t':e Senate concur), That the Legislature Brice, Gorman, McAtee, Stockham, h e:rnby acknowleges the contribution to our Country's Brunner, c. H., Greenwood, McClester, Stonier, development and spiriLuaJ well-being through consecrated Cadwalad=r, Gross, McKinney , Tahl, observance of the Sabbath Day; and Calvin, Gyger, MCMiilen, Taylor, Campbell Resolved, That His Excellency, the Governor of Penn Hall, Menna. Thrasher, sylvania, shall issue, publish and deplore an appropriate Cook, Hannon, Miller, T iemann, Cooper, Ha-re, Mintess, Turbett , proclamation to the people of Pennsylvania emphasizing Cordier, Helm, Mock, Turner, the importance and value of Sabbath Day Observance. Costa, Hewitt, Moore, Allsburg, Coulson, Van Hoffman, Moser, Wachhaus, Th e SPEAKER. The resolution will be filed with the Dague, Holmes, Muir, Wagner, K. H .. Clerk under the Rules. Dalrympl..3, Hoopes, Murray, Wagner, P. L., Denman, Hunter, W. M., Nowak, Wallin, Mr. TATE asked and obtained unanimous consent to Dennison Huntley, O'Dare. Walton, permit the addition of all of the Philadelphia Democratic Depuy, Imbrle, Reagan, Watkins, DIX, Irvin, Reese, 0. P., Winner, Members as sponsors to a resolution of congratulations. Elder, James, Re1lly, Wood, L. H., The SPEAKER. The resolution will be filed with the Ely, Jones, Riley, Wood, N., Erb, Kennedy, Robertson, Worley, Clerk under the Rules. Figlock, Kline, Root, Yeakel, Flack. Kowalski, Rose. W. E., Fiss, Fleming, Krepps, Rowley, Speaker. COMMITTEE MEETINGS Fox, Laughner, Royer, There will be meetings of the Committees on: NAYS-50 Agriculture, Tuesday, March 9, at 10 a. m., in the Old Baker, Diiion, Lovett, Rose, S., House Caucus Room. Barrett, Duffy, Mihm, Sarra!, Bentley, Elliott, Mooney, Scanlon, Boroughs, Tuesday, March 9, at 10 a. m., Room 522. Bentzel, Finnerty, Moran, Schuster, Boles. Goodwin, Munley, Ska le, Cities-Second Class, Tuseday, March 9, at 11: 30 a. m., Boory , Grant, O'Brien, Snider, Room 521. Bradley, Green, Owens, Stank, Brigerman. Hamilton, Petrosky, Swope, Judiciary General, Tuesday, March 9, at 11 a. m., Room Cohen, Heatherington, Polaski, Tate, 325. Coleman, Kirley, Pow·ers, Thompson, Corrigan, Kolanklewlcz, Readinger, Trent, State Government, Tuesday, March 9, at 12: 30 p. m., croop , Leonard, Reynolds, Welsh, CuJlen, Levy, Room 324. Welfare, Tuesday, March 9, at 10 a. m., Room 330. So the question was determined in the affirmative and the resoh.tion was adopted. There will be a meeting of the Democratic Steering Ordered, That the Clerk present same to the Senate Committee on Tuesday, March 9, 1943, at office of Minor for conci..:.rrence. ity Leader in Room 246. RESOLUTIClN ADJOURNMENT Mr. GATES offered a resolution and asked and ob Mr. POLASKI. Mr. Speaker, I move that this House tained unanimous consent that it be read for the informa do now adjourn until Tuesday, March 9, 1943, at 1 p. m. tion of tke House. The motion was agreed to, and (at 12: 10 a. m.) the The reeolution was read by the Clerk as follows: House adjourned,