Queensland

Parliamentary Debates [Hansard]

Legislative Assembly

TUESDAY, 20 MARCH 1973

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TUESDAY, 20 MARCH 1973 ALLEGATION BY WARD McNALLY Hon. H. A. McKECHNIE (Carnarvon­ Minister for Local Government and Electri­ city) (11.6 a.m.): The Minister in charge of Mr. SPEAKER (Hon. W. H. Lonergan, police has brought to my notice a telegram Flinders) read prayers and took the chair received by him late last Friday, 16 March, at 11 a.m. from Mr. Ward McNally of Adelaide. Mr. MeN ally is Press secretary to Senator PAPERS Cavanagh, Minister for Works in the Com­ The following paper was laid on the table, monwealth A.L.P. Government. The telegram and ordered to be printed:- is addressed to "Hodges, Minister Police, Queensland Parliament, Brisbane, Queens­ Report of the Committee appointed to land", and reads as follows-- investigate stock stealing and to "Repeat have never been in prison in recommend changes to reduce the Australia-stop-but is it true Member incidence of stock offences. Queensland Country Party Government The following papers were laid on the whose son committed matricide has since table:- that tragedy socialised with internationally Orders in Council under- known swindler at Stanthorpe party?" State Housing Act 1945-1972. It is signed, "Ward McNally". Audit Acts Amendment Act 1926-1971. Yesterday I received a letter from Ward Friendly Societies Act 1913-1970. McNally dated the same day as the telegram The Harbours Acts, 1955 to 1968. to Mr. Hodges, and noted that copies have gone to two Opposition members of this Beach Protection Act 1968-1970. House and to Jack Stanaway. Mr. McNally Forestry Act 1959-1971. does not name the man whom he describes The State Electricity Commission Acts, as an international swindler, but Ward 1937 to 1965. McNally was associated with a man in: The Southern Electric Authority of Stanthorpe and another in Rockhampton in Queensland Acts, 1952 to 1964. a doubtful venture wherein Ward McNally The Northern Electric Authority of withdrew in fear after his alleged double­ Queensland Acts, 1963 to 1964. crossing of one against the other. This ma} be the man he refers to in his telegram who Regulation under the Main Roads Acts, is a constituent of mine, and to whom 1 1920 to 1968. have spoken casually on about four brief Reports of the Law Reform Commission occasions. relating to-(i) Limitations of Acts; How can Mr. McNally determine any­ and (ii) Repeal of certain Acts passed thing clandestine out of this unless it can be by the Legislature of Queensland. attributed to his own distorted circumstances? Besides, Mr. McNally is aware that when he was acting within the law and a constituent MINISTERIAL STATEMENTS of mine he was rendered assistance by me, as is available to all my constituents. ] DELEGATION OF AUTHORITY; MINISTER FOR might add that the man to whom I believe MINES AND MAIN ROADS he alludes has never sought any assistance or favours from me. Hon. J. BJELKE-PETERSEN (Barambah­ Premier) (11.3 a.m.): I desire to inform the At present, Ward McNally has a writ House that, in connection with the overseas against the Stanthorpe "Border Post" news­ visit of the Minister for Mines and Main paper for $20,000, and has a warrant issued Roads, His Excellency the Governor has, against him in New South Wales on 3 J by virtue of the provisions of the Officials in July 1961 for allegedly stealing $189 and Parliament Act 1896-1971, authorised and four warrants dated 17 May 1961 relative to empowered the Honourable Sir Alan Fletcher, false-pretences charges. Minister for Education and Cultural Activi­ Last week Mr. Hodges stated in this ties, to perform and exercise all or any of House instances where Ward McNally was the duties, powers and authorities imposed or convicted at various places in New South conferred upon the Honourable the Minister Wales, and sentenced to prison. He appealed for Mines and Main Roads by any Act, against these sentences. The appeal wa' rule, practice or ordinance on and from 18 dismis~ed and the sentences converted to March 1973, and until the return to Queens­ fines. land of the Honourable Ronald Ernest Camm. Let me assure the House that Mr. I lay upon the table of the House a copy McNally's veiled allegations cause me no personal concern, but as they could cast of the Government Gazette notification of aspersions on other people in my electorate 17 March 1973 to this effect. I resent the implied slur on my constituents Whereupon the honourable gentleman laid in Stanthorpe and accordingly hasten to pu1 the Government Gazette upon the table. the record straight. Questions Upon Notice [20 MARCH 1973] Questions Upon Notice 3047

QUESTIONS UPON NOTICE ( 4) Will he give consideration to correcting this anomaly? INSPECTOR D. M. BECKER, CRIME INTELLIGENCE UNIT, POLICE DEPARTMENT Answers:- Mr. Sherrington for Mr. Bnms, pursuant to (1 and 2) "All cadets employed by the notice, asked The Minister for Works,- Police Department are correctly paid salary rates as prescribed by the Police Award­ { 1) Did one or more high-ranking com­ missioned officers of the Police Force fur­ State during their first and subsequent years nish a report or reports to the Commis­ of service." ~ioner some time ago in relation to the (3) "No." Chief of the Crime Intelligence Unit, Inspector D. M. Becker? If so, who were ( 4) "See Answer to ( 1) ." the officers and when were the reports made? (2) If a report or reports were made, what were the recommendations and by NEWSPAPER ADVERTISEMENT, NORMAN whom were they made? LEE AND AssociATES (3) If any such recommendations were Mr. Lee, pursuant to notice, asked The made, what action was taken by the Minister for Justice,- Commissioner to implement them? ( 1) With reference to an advertisement ( 4) If recommendations were made, in The Courier-Mail of March 7 calling when were the details first brought to his for applications for management positions notice? over the title of Norman Lee and Associ­ ates, as I believe that this is a malicious attempt to damage my good name and A.nswer:-- reputation by associating it with an enter­ (1 to 4) "Arising from a promotional prise of doubtful honesty and integrity, appeal in April-May 1972, at which Mr. with which neither I nor any of my family C. J. Bennett represented the appellant, has association, what are the names and reports were received criticizing evidence addresses of persons associated with given for the appellant by Inspector Becker, Norman Lee and Associates or what is Officer in Charge, Crime Intelligence Unit. any other relevant information that can Inspector Becker had been served with a be supplied? subpoena to attend the hearing but also (2) If Norman Lee and Associates is had sought the approval of the Com­ not a registered company or business name, missioner to act as a witness for the will he give an assurance that this name appellant against the departmental will not be registered and that appropriate nominee. These reports were fully investi­ action will be taken to stop any persons gated by Assistant Commissioner Barlow trading as such? and the results then discussed with me by the Commissioner. I am satisfied that on this occasion Inspector Becker acted as he Answers:- always does, in good faith and with com­ ( 1) "I have already investigated the plete honesty. The Commissioner has particular business name and I am taken no further action." informed that the proprietors are Candice Loveday Campbell and Denis Norman Littman of Flat 4, 22 Reeves Street, Clay­ SALARY RATES FOR THIRD-YEAR CADETS, field. It is understood that the business POLICE ACADEMY name was selected using the middle names of the principals. The general nature of the Mr. Chinchen, pursuant to notice, asked business is distribution of Golden Inter­ The Minister for Works,- national Products which is a multi-level {1) Is he aware that when cadets with marketing organisation distributing Golden a Se~ior pass enter the Police Academy Chemical Products and petroleum and oil at th1rd-year level they are paid at the additives." first-year pay rate, which means that a (2) ~adet who starts at first year gets much "The business name, Norman Lee higher pay in the third year than the and Associates, is not registered at the Senior-pass cadet in the same year and Office of the Commissioner for Corporate that two cadets sharing the same course Affairs and should such name be submitted sitting side by side, are getting different for registration, the application will be pay? refused. Attention was drawn to the pro­ visions of the Act regarding the use of (2) ls this fair and reasonable? unregistered business names. The business (3) Were the third-year entrants this does not appear to have any connection year advised on interview before entering with the Honourable Member or his that they would get third-year pay? family." 3048 Questions Upon Notice (20 MARCH 1973] Questions Upon Notice

PARLIAMENTARY QUORUM provision for car parking and in this pro­ Mr. Casey, pursuant to notice, asked The ject would desire as many as 15 car spaces. Premier,- In an effort to avoid delay the Commission has reserved space accordingly. I under­ ( 1) What is the minimum number of stand that there could be some other minor members that constitutes a quorum for the matters which council may wish to raise purpose of casting a vote in this Parlia­ ment? and on receipt by the Commission these would be considered on their merits in (2) When was this quorum figure relation to aged persons. As so~n as adopted and how many Members of the finality is reached with the council the Legislative Assembly were there at that Commission's consulting architects will be time? able to proceed with working drawings, specifications and quantities so that tender~ (3) As controversial moral legislation may be called at the earliest possible date." such as for abortion on demand has been passed in other Parliaments in Australia and overseas because large numbers of RAIN FOREST OPERATIONS, COOLOOL/1 Members abstained from voting on such AREA issues, will his Government take action to Mr. Sherrington, pursuant to notice, asked amend the quorum figure to ensure that legislation can not be passed by this Parlia­ The Minister for Lands,- ment with the consent of a vocal minority ( 1) Is he aware that clearing has been which, in the worst case, could be only carried out in an area of approximately 15 nine members? acres of rain forest on the Cooloola Sand Mass, north-west of Freshwater Lake? Answer:- (2) When and by whom was this clearing ( 1 to 3) "The Honourable Member's carried out? premise that there is a statutory require­ ment for Members to vote on all issues (3) Who authorised the work to be before this House is incorrect. The carried out and for what purpose? Constitution Act of 1867 provides that there shall be a quorum of 16 Members ( 4) What was the cost of the clearing and from what fund was the cost met? other than the Speaker for the despatch of business. I well recall that the Honour­ able Member raised the question of the Answers:- quorum figure during the course of his ( 1) "I am aware of the work being speech in this House on August 1, 1972. carried out on an area of about 16 acres The matter has since received the con­ of transition forest on State Forest 451 sideration of Cabinet but, at this stage, Cooloola north-west of Freshwater Lake. no amendment to the relevant legislation is This is not clearing in the accepted sense contemplated." of the word. The area in question had been logged under special treemarking condition~ and growing stock of suitable species was retained. The work referred to involves the HOUSING COMMISSION UNITS FOR AGED dozing of logging debris, undergrowth and PERSONS, NEW FARM of some useless trees." Mr. Lane, pursuant to notice, asked The Minister for Works,- (2) "Within the last three months by the Department of Forestry." In relation to land owned by the Hous­ ing Commission at Kent Street, New Farm, (3) "The work was carried out for the which has recently been cleared for the purpose of enrichment planting of the ~rea erection of a block of flats for rental by with Blackbutt under the normal operatwns the Commission, how many flats will be of the Department of Forestry. This will built in this complex and when is it antici­ improve the forest and its productivity." pated that construction will commence? ( 4) "The cost of the work referred to Answer:- was approximately $18.50 per acre. It wa> met from Reforestation Funds f,,r " A design for 44 units for aged persons 1972-73." was forwarded to the Brisbane City Council on October 31 last and the council was informed that any comments which it wished to submit would be considered CoMPLAINTS TO LICENSING COMMISSION. with interest. It will not be necessary for NIGHT CLUB OPERATIONS any occupant to walk up more than one Mr. Davis, pursuant to notice, asked The storey in height which obviates a lift about Minister for Justice,- which aged persons can be very nervous. ( 1 ) How many complaints were received Although not one occupant to date of a by the Licensing Commission during the Commission aged persons' unit in Brisbane past two years concerning the operations has a motor vehicle the council seeks of night clubs in the city? Questions Upon Notice (20 MARCH 1973] Questions Upon Notice 3049

(2) What was the nature of the com­ Answers:­ plaints and to what have they specifically (1) "Yes." referred? (2) "The disease is active in the Charle­ (3) What is the number of complaints ville and Quilpie areas and scattered cases received in respect of each night club? are being reported from the Mitchell, ( 4) What action has been taken by the Tambo and Springsure areas. It has been Commission in respect of each complaint? reported as far south as the St. George district."

Answers:- (3) "Mortality has been reported but on the whole has been light. The precise ( 1) "Thirteen." number of deaths is not known." (2) "Complaints have been in regard ( 4) "A number of vaccines has been to-(a) noise emanating from entertain­ tested at laboratory level by the University ment on the premises; (b) traffic noises of Queensland Veterinary School and associated with patrons coming and going found to protect mice effectively. Arrange­ from the premises; (c) cars parked across ments are being made now to test them in the driveways of nearby residents; (d) cattle in the field." poor ventilation; (e) fighting and obscene language by patrons on footpaths nearby; (f) exorbitant prices charged for drinks and non-service of meals; (g) locating of CoMMONWEALTH CoNTRIBUTIONs, SoFT­ refuse containers in adjacent casement used wooD FORESTRY AGREEMENTS ACT as access to adjacent building." Mr. Gunn, pursuant to notice, asked The (3) "Whisky Au-Go-Go, 10; The Lotus Minister for Lands,- Room, 1; Jet Club International, 1; and What amount does the Commonwealth Chequers, 1." Government contribute to this State under the Softwood Forestry Agreements Act and (4) "Whisky Au-Go-Go-Noise com­ is the assistance likely to continue? plaints investigated and action eventually taken by way of issue of an order to suitably seal windows to contain the noise Answer:- in the building in which air-conditioning "The amount contributed by the Com­ wall units were installed. Complaints monwealth under the Softwoods Agreement relating to activities outside the building fluctuates from year to year in accordance were referred to Licensing Branch and with a formula that involves the cost and Officer-in-Charge, Valley Police Station for extent of annual plantings. To date the their necessary attention. The Lotus following amounts have been received:- Room-Upon investigation and the atten­ 1966-67, $233,315; 1967-68, $444,476: tion of the licensee having been directed to 1968-69, $912,927; 1969-70, $1,165,961; the complaint, suitable action taken to 1970-71, $1,144,000; and 1971-72. reduce noise output from the premises. $900,000. Total: $4,800,679." The Jet Club International-No action taken re current agreement provides for continua­ liquor prices as no jurisdiction exercised by tion of payments up to and including Licensing Commission over such sales. 1975-76." Non-service of meals investigated by Licensing Branch and complaint was not substantiated. Chequers-Suitable arrange­ ments were made with local authority to HoUSE RENTALS, TEACHERS AND eliminate the nuisance complained of, PUBLIC SERVANTS namely the removal of refuse containers." (a) Mr. Muller, pursuant ,to notice, asked The Minister for Education,- ( 1) As rentals, now in conformity with recommendations of the Public Service THREE-DAY CATTLE SICKNESS, WESTERN Board, represent approximately ten per QUEENSLAND cent. of teachers' salaries, will he con­ Mr. Gunn, pursuant to notice, asked The sider a review of this charge as equivalent­ Minister for Primary Industries,- type houses in rural areas can be rented (1) Has ephemeral fever, commonly for a much lower figure? known as "three-day sickness," broken out (2) On what basis was this policy for­ in cattle herds in Western Queensland? mulated and subsequently adopted? (2) How far south has it spread? Answer:- (3) Have many deaths occurred as a result of the disease? (1 and 2) 'The Notice Paper shows that a Question covering the same subject has ( 4) What progress has been made in been asked of the Honourable the Premier, the development of a vaccine to control it? who administers the Public Service Housing 3050 Questions Upon Notice [20 MARCH 1973} Questions Upon Notice

Scheme. I am aware that the Premier by the Board, the Board has not formulated intends to give a full reply on the subject, any recommendations to Cabinet, nor has and I refer the Honourable Member to Cabinet considered the matter. It is pre­ this reply." mature for any union official or tenant to jump to foregone conclusions based on (b) Mr. Frawley, pursuant to notice, asked unwarranted assumptions." The Premier,- ( 4) "Principals of State schools came ( 1) What are the reasons for the present under the scheme in 1967, as a result of review of rents for houses provided for deliberate action by the Teachers' Union. public servants and teachers? The union won its case before the Indus­ (2) What action has taken place and trial Commission for elimination of free what are the results of the present review? houses (or cash in lieu). It obtained large (3) Is he aware that the unions advised salary increases in return. Many of its members of the amount of the proposed members now contend that in doing so it increases and that Cabinet insists on the favoured a sectional interest within the review at this time? union-mainly those principals who were not occupying official residences. The ( 4) How did principals of primary motives and policies of the Teachers' Union schools become covered by the Public can only be the subject of conjecture. But Service Housing Scheme when they have it is a matter of factual record that, in full had the use of free houses for years? knowledge of what it was doing,_it pursued Answers:- the matter rigorously. If criticism of the abolition of free housing for principals ( 1) "A joint committee of Government is justified, then such criticism should and union representatives recommended a correctly be directed at the Teachers' scheme in 1960. Cabinet adopted the Union. It proposed the idea, it directed its recommendations and constituted the efforts towards that end, and it won its Public Service Housing Scheme. Among case." the recommendations adopted was a requirement that the Public Service Board review rent regularly, but at least once in every five years. A criticism by unions at FAULTY MoTOR VEHICLE EXHAUST the time of the last review in 1969 was SYSTEMS that the lapse of five years from the Mr. Dean, pursuant to notice, asked The previous review caused increases to be too Minister for Works,- great. To ease the problem, the 1969 Is any action being taken .against owners increases were applied in two phases­ who drive vehicles with badly-adjusted one from early 1970, the second from early engines which emit excessive carbon­ 1971. The Board also published its inten­ monoxide gas and with open exhausts tion to review at shorter intervals." which create much noise in the city streets (2) "To this end the Public Service and especially on the new Captain Cook Board consulted with the three major Freeway? If so, (a) how many breaches unions on January 23, 1973. At this of the Act have been recorded in the meeting it provided a set of figures show­ past twelve months and (b) how many ing-(i) rents as percentages of salaries prosecutions have been issued in the past recommended by the joint committee in twelve months against owners of vehicles 1960; ( ii) rents as percentages of salaries with open-exhaust systems? at the 1969 review; and (iii) the effect if 1969 percentages were used now. It Answer:- invited unions to meet it again late in "Yes, but statistics are available only in March to present submissions. There the relation to action taken by members of the matter rests. Neither the Board nor Police Force attached to the Traffic Branch, Cabinet has any preconceptions on the Brisbane, as follows:-During the 12 outcome of the review." months ended February, 1973, 3,396 traffic (3) "Yes. In circulating members to offence notices and 2,53 8 vehicle defect sample opinion, unions stated that the notices were issued to owners, owner­ salary percentage figure 'appears to be drivers and drivers of defective vehicles. favoured by the Board'. No such statement No dissection is made in relation to owners was made by the Board and this presump­ alone or in relation to specific defects such tion is misleading. The same union circular as inefficient silencers or maladjusted stated that Cabinet was 'quite adamant' on motors. During the same period 686 a review. This grossly overstates the posi­ traffic offence notices were issued for the tion. A review clause was recommended offence of 'create undue noise by manner of by the originators of the scheme, and the operation'. Included in these would be recommendation for regular reviews was offences associated with undue exhaust signed by the unions. Thus any review is noise but separate statistics for this specific merely carrying out the expressed wish of offence are not kept. Statistics are not the signatories to the original recommenda­ available in respect of offences committed tions--including three union repre­ on the Captain Cook Bridge and associated sentatives. The unions have not been heard freeway system." Questions Upon Notice [20 MARCH 1973] Questions Upon Notice 3051

BARGE RAMP, QUINTELL BEACH (2) As a large quantity of valuable Mr. Wallis-Smith, pursuant to notice, asked records and files is now stored on the The Minister for Conservation,- ground-level floor, will steps be taken to ensure that all possible entry points are ( 1) Further to my Question of Decem­ securely sealed and that every precaution ber 7, 1972, relative to the barge ramp is taken against fire on this level? at Quintell Beach, did a barge unload on this ramp on December 12 and, if so, what quantity was unloaded? Answer:- (1 and 2) "Alarms are currently being (2) How many barges have since installed. All fire precautions originally unloaded at the ramp? recommended by the State Fire Services Council have been carried out including (3) Have any repairs been carried out access. Further escape ladders additional on the ramp since its construction and, if to those recommended by this council are so, to what extent and at what cost? now being fabricated. The building has been inspected since the work referred to Answers:- by the Honourable Member was completed. (1) "The barge 'Weipa' unloaded 93 It is inspected at regular intervals. All tons of cargo at Quintell Beach ramp on possible entry points are secure, including December 16, 1972." several that had been out of use for many years but now made available at the (2) "There have been three subsequent request of the library staff for working on calls by ~he barge 'Weipa'; one in January the ground floor bookshelves. Tenders will and two m Febmary." be called shortly for the installation of a smoke detector system as an added fire (3) "No." precaution for books and records on this floor."

REMOVAL OF TAILINGS, lRVINEBANK STATE TREATMENT WORKS AUSTRALIA!' NATIONAL UNIVERSITY Mr. Wallis-Smith, pursuant to notice asked BROADSHEETS DISTRIBUTED AT The Minister for Mines,- ' QUEENSLAND INSTITUTE OF ( 1) Further to my Question of Sep­ TECHNOLOGY tember 13. _relative to Irvinebank tailings, Mr. Porter, pursuant to notice, asked The are the ta!lmgs now being treated and, if Minister for Education,- so, who was the successful tenderer? With reference to the disgusting broad­ (2) Have the additions to the plant been sheets emanating from the Australian completed? National University and being distributed freely to students at the Queensland Insti­ (3) Has there been a reduction in treat­ tute of Technology, what measures can be ment charges and, if so, to what extent? taken to check this infliction on the dis­ interested many the sick preoccupations Answers:- with childish obscenity by the few? ( 1 ) "The joint tender of Nickelseekers Limited and Finance Facilities Pty. Ltd. Answer:- was accepted but treatment of the tailings "! have seen one of the publications has not commenced." referred to and I agree entirely with the Honourable Member's condemnation of it. (2) "No." I would like tn see such publications dis­ (3) "No." appear from the undergraduate scene and those who spend w much time preparing them devoting that time to the pursuit of their studies. However, one has to be FIRE-FIGHTING FACILITIES, "BELLEVUE" realistic. It would be virtually impossible BUILDING to police any mle banning the publications from a campus-in fact this would prob­ Mr. Wallis-Smith, pursuant to notice, asked ably only add spice tn the challenge of The Minister for Works,- distributing them and attract unwarranted Further to his Answer to my Question attention to them. I am confident that the on December 8, 1972, regarding fire­ Honourable Member is correct when he fighting facilities for the "Bellevue" build­ suggests, as he has in the Question, that ing, that improved access and alarms would the majority of students are not interested be provided- in this form of obscenity. Any person objecting to the paper can make a com­ (!) Has the work been carried out? If plaint to the police who have the necessary so, has the building been inspected since powers under the Vagrants, Gaming and the work was completed and, if so, with Other Offences Act to take effective what result? action." 3052 Questions Upon Notice [20 MARCH 1973) Questions Upon Notice

DENTAL SERVICE FOR SUB-NORMAL Answers:­ CHILDREN's SCHOOLS (1) "Yes." Mr. Sherrington for Mr. Bums, pursuant to (2) "Medical authorities with few excep­ notice, asked The Minister for Health,- tions agree that the cause of cot deaths ( 1) What decision has been reached is still not determined. They further hold in relation to a request by the Queensland the view that the measure of vitamin E is Sub-Normal Children's Welfare Association not relevant to this problem." for the provision of dental services by the mobile dental clinic to the association's schools at Bowen Hills, Buranda and UPGRADING OF ROCKHAMPTON-YEPPOON Sandgate? RoAD (2) As it has been stated that the exist­ Mr. Hartwig, pursuant to notice, asked The ing mobile dental caravan is old and that Minister for Mines,- much of its equipment is virtually obsolete, In view of the detailed road trans­ will urgent consideration be given to the portation study now being conducted in provision of a new mobile dental clinic, the North Rockhampton region to the complete with its own means of trans­ Yeppoon turn-off of the Mackay Highway, portation and incorporating the latest and having regard to the continual increase dental equipment? in motorised traffic between Rockhampton (3) Has any investigation been made and Yeppoon and the dangerous sections into the economics of providing fixed that exist on this road,- dental facilities at the larger homes ( 1) At what stage are the plans and currently visited by the clinic? design for improvements to this main road to Yeppoon? Answers:- ( 2) When is it anticipated that this ( 1) "I am informed that a request was work will be carried out by the Main made to the Superintendent, Brisbane Roads Department? Dental Hospital by the Queensland Sub­ Normal Children's Welfare Association for Answers:- the provision of a dental service at its (1) "Present planning is being con­ schools. The superintendent referred this centrated on two sections of this road, request to the North Brisbane Hospitals namely-(a) Limestone Creek to Hedlow Board for its consideration. Provision is Creek-on which a working survey which being made in my Department's estimates provides for an improved alignment is for 1973-74 for a second mobile dental being undertaken at present. It is expected caravan to provide additional dental that this survey will be completed in one services to eligible schools and children's month's time. (b) Bondoola Section-on homes in the metropolitan area." which an investigation survey to determine the most suitable route for the new align­ (2) "I am advised that the existing ment is expected to be finalised within two mobile dental caravan is functioning satis­ months. Both sections are approximately factorily but its commitments are such that 41 miles long." its itinerary could not be extended in order ( 2) "It is presently planned that con­ to fulfil the request of the Queensland struction of the Limestone Creek to Bed­ Sub-Normal Children's Welfare Associa­ low Creek section will commence in the tion." latter part of the 1974-75 financial year (3) "This aspect is under review." and the Bondoola section the following financial year. These times of course are dependent on the extent of available funds at that time."

CoT DEATHS Mr. Sherrington for Mr. Bums, pursuant to ELECTRICITY SUPPLY FROM GLADSTONE notice, asked The Minister for Health,- PoWER STATION FOR CoMALco ALUMINIUM SMELTER ( 1) Has his attention been drawn to the newspaper comments by Lady Cilento Mr. Hanson, pursuant to notice, asked The and Doctors Tonge and O'Reilly in rela­ Premier,- tion to the cause of cot deaths? ( 1 ) What is the present position with regard to the block option of power (2) As some dispute has occurred over requested by Comalco Pty. Ltd. in its Lady Cilento's contention that vitamin E negotiations with the State Electricity deficiencies could be the cause of the Commission? deaths, will he state what views his Dep­ (2) Is he aware of any indecision of artment holds on this matter in order to the company to proceed with an aluminium allay public concern? smelter, as reported in the southern press? Questions Upon Notice [20 MARCH 1973] Questions Upon Notice 3053

(3) Is his Government aware of the refusal to adjust following that of the results of a feasibility study being con­ United States, have had on Queensland ducted by Comalco Pty. Ltd. with regard sorghum growers, causing an actual drop to its future Gladstone smelter? of over 20 per cent. of their gross ( 4) As it is reported that electricity incomes, what action can his Government authorities have grave doubts as to the take to try to persuade the Commonwealth profitability of the price of · 3 cents a Government to take some compensatory unit offered to the company by the Treas­ action? urer, Sir Gordon Chalk, has the Premier any information which would confirm Answer:- or dispel the fears or doubts? " A detailed case has been prepared in (5) As information was given to me support of submissions already made to the last year of another company requesting Commonwealth by various rural industry 50 megawatts of power from the Gladstone organisations including the Queensland Power Station for its operation, has he had Graingrowers' Association and The Central any additional approaches by this group Queensland Grain Sorghum Marketing and is a decision likely to be made? Board. Further, I propose to discuss the matter with the Prime Minister later this Answers:- week." ( 1 to 4) "As the Honourable Member is aware an agreement was signed with Comalco, giving that company options over APPOINTMENT AND DISMISSAL, CoN­ blocks of power for a smelter. That agree­ SUMER AFFAIRS COUNCIL AND ment was accepted by the then Common­ CONSUMER AFFAIRS BUREAU wealth Minister for National Development MEMBERS in satisfaction of clause 3 of the Gladstone Powerhouse Agreement between the Com­ Mr. Bousen, pursuant to notice, asked The monwealth and the State. This means the Minister for Justice,- Commonwealth is committed to make ( 1) Further to my Question of finance available in accordance with the March 7 regarding the eligibility of agreement. It has always been understood persons serving on the Consumer Affairs that Comalco is not committed to build Council and Bureau, under what circum­ the smelter just because it has taken stances would the Governor in Council options for power. The actual decision to remove a member from the Council or proceed must depend on feasibility studies, Bureau? but the main factor of uncertainty when (2) What Ministerial discretion is the power agreement was negotiated was involved in (a) the appointment and (b) the world market situation for aluminium. the dismissal of members of the Consumer To this have now been added the effects Affairs Council? of the recent re-valuation of the Aus­ tralian dollar and of the Commonwealth Answers:- Government's proposals designed to dis­ courage overseas borrowing. The company ( 1) "This is a hypothetical question, has pointed out in its annual report that and it is not my intention to anticipate the economics of the smelter could suffer circumstances under which the Governor from these factors. A full study of costs in Council might remove a member from of power production by the powerhouse the Consumer Affairs Council. As pre­ was made by the State Electricity Com­ viously explained to the Honourable Mem­ mission before an offer was made to ber, officers of the Consumer Affairs Comalco and I know it would have been Bureau are subject to the provisions of the an attainable figure. Similarly the price was Public Service Acts and Regulations." apparently satisfactory to the company as (2) "The Minister charged with the a basis for its feasibility studies. How­ administration of the Consumer Affairs Act ever, this is not to be taken as confirmation accepts responsibility for recommendations that the price quoted by the Honourable to the Governor in Council concerning the Member is the price chargeable under the appointment or removal from office of a agreement. It is wrong to suggest that a member of the Consumer Affairs Council." decision has been made against proceeding with the project." (5) "No further approaches have been STRATEGIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, made." ALBERT SHIRE Mr. Hinze, pursuant to notice, asked The EFFECT OF CuRRENCY REVALUATION ON Minister for Local Government,- SoRGHUM GROWERS ( 1) Has he enquired into the action of Mr. Cmy, pursuant to notice, asked The the Albert Shire Council in commissioning Premier,- a firm of town-planning consultants to pre­ Because of the calamitous effect which pare a strategic development plan for the recent currency changes, by both the South Albert area and what was the result Commonwealth Government itself and its of this enquiry? 98 3054 Questions Upon Notice [20 MARCH 1973] Questions Upon Notice

(2) In view of the criticism of the ( 4) "The Government grants a subsidy strategic plan by a small vocal group of to local authorities which prepare town­ residents in Albert Shire, is he aware of planning schemes for their areas. The any action taken by the Chairman of the current rate of subsidy applicable to the Shire which is ultra vires the Local Gov­ preparation of a town-planning scheme is ernment Acts or the Albert Shire Council 20 per cent. of the cost of its preparation, by-laws? including costs associated with activities (3) In the urban explosion circumstances such as map preparation, surveys, and existing in the Albert Shire, is he in favour strategic plans where they are considered of the action taken as a preliminary plan­ to be necessary for the purpose of imple­ ning guide to present and future residents menting the town-planning scheme. The of the shire prior to the preparation of a subsidy is payable upon the approval of detailed town plan and supplementary the scheme by the Governor in Council. action plans? Practical advice on the preparation of town­ planning schemes is available to local ( 4) When circumstances of urban explo­ authorities from officers of the Department sion exist, will the Government consider of Local Government. The advantages giving practical and financial assistance to of a strategic development plan for the councils in the preparation of town plans whole of a local authority area are that and associated strategic and action plans? fertile farm lands may be preserved and residential areas so sited that essential Answers:- services such as water supply and sewerage can be supplied as economically as possible. ( 1) "Representatives of the Albert Shire Dam sites may be preserved and homes Council have discussed with me the kept out of flood level while steep slopes strategic development plan referred to by may be retained for aforestation." the Honourable Member. Also I have viewed the maps associated with the plan and congratulate the council on their for­ ward thinking. I would mention that, under the Local Government Act, the local INVESTIGATIONS INTO HOUSING LOAN authority is the town-planning authority and COMPANIES as such has the right to engage the services Mr. Wright, pursuant to notice, asked The of planning consultants to assist it in town Minister for Justice,- planning its area." ( 1) Have any investigations been carried (2) "I am not aware of any action taken out into companies or organisations affili­ by the chairman of the Shire which is ated or associated with Australian Associa­ ultra vires the Local Government Act or tion of Mutual Home Loans Funds? the Albert Shire Council By-laws." (2) Have such investigations included (3) "I am in favour of the council's companies known as (a) Federated Hous­ action in having the strategic development ing Fund of Australia Ltd., (b) Mutual plan prepared. Pending the coming into Home Loans Fund of Australia Queens­ force of the town-planning scheme for the land Ltd., (c) Federated Housing Fund Shire of Albert, the council is operating Management Co. Ltd. and (d) Mutual under an Interim Development By-law Home Loans Management Co. Ltd.? under which all land uses other than the erection of dwelling houses require the (3) Why have these investigations been consent of the council. With the very initiated? rapid development taking place in the shire, a large number of applications is ( 4) Have these investigations been con­ being made to the council for this consent cluded and, if so, what are the findings? ar~d I consider that the preparation of a strategic development plan for the guidance Answer:- of the council in considering such applica­ ( 1 to 4) "Questions ansmg out of tions is desirable. The strategic develop­ investigations of the companies mentioned ment plan will also be used to guide the are still receiving consideration and an council in dealing with proposals for announcement will be made in due course." rezoning of land after the town-planning scheme comes into force. I would mention that the strategic development plan is an advisory plan only and does not form part INTEREST CHARGES ON PURCHASES, of the statutory town planning scheme WALTONS LTD. which requires approval by the Governor in Council before it has force and effect. Mr. "'right, pursuant to notice. 2sked The I understand that the council has opened Minister for Justice,- the strategic development plan to public ( 1) Is he aware that a firm known as inspection and a number of interested "Waltons" is at present charging more than persons have made representations to the 25 per cent. interest on some goods pur­ council thereon. These are presently being chased by consumers from their sales considered by the council." representatives? Questions Upon Notice [20 MARCH 1973] Questions Upon Notice 3055

(2) Is there anything to prevent this School. The building provides for a play firm from charging such an exorbitant area underneath and the work is due to interest rate? be completed in June, 1973. Advice of the anticipated minimum accommodation Answers:­ requirements for 1974 has not been (1) "No." received to date. Further consideration will be given to the future building programme (2) "The maximum rate which may be in due course." charged under The Hire-purchase Act of 1959 is 20 per cent. per annum. Such rate is also the maximum rate which a money lender may charge in accordance with the CONSULTANT SPECIALISTS, CAIRNS Money Lenders Act 1916-1969. It is BASE HOSPITAL known that these provisions are sometimes Mr. R. Jones, pursuant to notice, asked evaded by persuading the borrower to con­ The Minister for Health,- tract with interstate companies operating in States where the maximum interest ( 1) What consultant specialists are charges are higher than in Queensland. In employed on a sessional basis at the Cairns such instances it behoves the borrower to Base Hospital? watch carefully the name and address of (2) What progress has been made in the company with whom he is contracting." having a full-time psychiatrist and an eye specialist engaged at this hospital?

STATUTES INDEX Answers:- Mr. Wright, pursuant to notice, asked The (1) "The approved establishment for Premier,- Cairns Hospital provides for the follow­ ( 1) Is he aware of the practice in ing consultant specialist positions:­ Western Australia of including a detailed anaesthetists, 2; dermatologist, 1; otorhino­ index as part of the statutes of that State? laryngologist, 1; ophthalmologist, 1; ortho­ (2) As the presence of an index would paedists, 2; physicians, 2; psychiatrist, 1; be of great assistance to Members of radiologist, 1; obstetrician/ gynaecologists, Parliament and the public generally when 2; surgeons, 2; pathologist, 1; and paedia­ studying and querying the various pro­ trician, 1. Vacancies exist at present for visions of our legislation, will he give an otorhinolaryngologist, an ophthalmolo­ serious consideration to adopting the gist, an orthopaedist and a phychiatrist. Western Australian practice in Queensland? These positions have been advertised by the Cairns Hospitals Board. The position Answer:- of paediatrician is a recently approved position and the Board will take appro­ (1 and 2) "If by the reference 'detailed priate action in an endeavour to attract index' the Honourable Member refers to a suitable applicant." the annual index volume produced by Western Australia, then I would point out (2) "This is a matter for consideration that Queensland's Annotated Table­ in the first instance by the Cairns Hospitals entitled Queensland Statutes, Annotations­ Board, and I am advised that the Board has is the counterpart of that, and, in so far as not applied for full-time specialists." it contains references to decided cases, is more informative. For the further informa­ tion of the Honourable Member, I might FAUNA RANGER, GREEN IsLAND mention that there are two volumes of the Mr. R. Jones, pursuant to notice, asked Queensland Annotated Table in the Parlia­ The Minister for Lands,- mentary Library." Further to his Answer to my Question on November 22 concerning a permanent CLASSROOM AccoMMODATION, BALA­ ranger being stationed at the Green Island CLAVA STATE SCHOOL National Park, have any recommendations been received in this regard and, if so, Mr. R. Jones, pursuant to notice, asked what action is proposed to be taken? The Minister for Education,- In view of the mushrooming effect of Answer:- building development in the South Cairns "1 have not received any recommenda­ area, has provision been made for addi­ tions in the matter. In his Question which tional classroom accommodation at the I answered on November 22 last, the Balaclava State School and, if so, how is Honourable Member referred to a report this expansion to be programmed? from the Chairman of Natural Areas Limited concerning apparent vandalism at Answer:- Green Island. Despite full enquiries which "ApprovaJ has been given for the pro­ were carried out at my request by the vision of one double teaching area includ­ Conservator of Forests no basis for the ing a withdrawal area at Balaclava State allegations could be ascertained." 3056 Questions Upon Notice [20 MARCH 1973] Questions Upon Notice

MAINTENANCE OF RAILWAY BRIDGES, Manuscript for the fourth quarter of 1972 WYNNUM is with the Government Printer for the Mr. Harris, pursuant to notice, asked The supply of proofs." Minister for Transport,- (2) "Consideration will be given to this ( 1) What is the structural condition of suggestion but the time and labour involved ,fue Burke Street and Berrima Street mil in its retrospective application to 1952 and bridges? the extent of the benefit to be derived (2) Is either or are both of these bridges therefrom by fewer than 200 users are in need of urgent maintenance repairs and crucial matters that will influence any if so, to what extent? ' decision thereon. I am informed that the cumulative indices for 1972 have been (3) If not, when was maintenance atten­ redesigned so that they appear in alpha­ tion given and carried out at these bridges? betical order according to the titles of the ( 4) Is there any likelihood that they are relevant Acts. It is considered that this in such a condition that major work is will be of assistance to users of the required? indices."

Answers:- (1) "Both bridges are safe to traffic." TOONDAH HARBOUR PROJECT, CLEVELAND (2 to 4) "Repairs were last carried out Mr. Baldwin, pursuant to notice, asked The to the Berrima Street bridge in March, Minister for Conservation,- 1972, and to the Burke Street bridge in With reference to the Toondah Harbour January, 1973. The bridges are and will project, Cleveland- be maintained in safe traffic condition. Two girders in bridge at Berrima Street ( 1) When was the first plan of construe· will be renewed within three months and tion of all or part of the complex lodged other work within twelve months. Apart with his Department, by whom and what from the butt splicing of piles in pier 2, was the estimated cost? no other work is anticipated on Burke (2) What other persons, companies or Street bridge in the immediate future." authorities have since entered into aspects of constructing the complex and from what dates?

STATUTES REPRINT (3) How many channels have been con­ structed to the proposed harbour, by whom Mr. Blake, pursuant to notice, asked The Minister for Justice,- and when and are either or both unaccept­ able to his Department? If not, what are (1) As the Minister responsible for issu­ the main reasons? ing the Queensland Statutory Instruments Reprint, will he give the House an assur­ ( 4) What has been the total cost of the ance that before the next Parliamentary project to the State and to the local Session the present backlog in production authority to date? of this publication, which has resulted in the most lfecent available collection of (5) When is it anticipated that the Regulations being of December, 1971 project will be completed? vintage, will be overcome so that Members can confidently and conveniently ascertain Answers:- which regulations are still in force? ( 1) "The development of Toondah Har­ (2) Will he consider replacing the bour as a small craft anchorage has been present cumulative index, which for prac­ canvassed for many years by the Redlands tical purposes is almost useless, with a Shire Council. In 1966 a sketch plan of system similar to that used in other States, proposed development was prepared by listing which regulations have been altered the council's consulting engineers in asso­ or inserted since the initial reprint and ciation with the Department of Harbours where they may be found? and Marine, who produced the first development proposals sketch plan in 1965. Answers:- No final development plan or estimate has been approved." (1) "The reprint is compiled by the staff of the Parliamentary Counsel's office and (2) "(i) Stradbroke Ferries Pty. Ltd. printed by the Government Printer as time have developed an area of foreshore as a becomes available between periods of more mainland terminal for their island ferry pressing work. The volume for January to service. Negotiations commenced in 1966 March, 1972, has been published, and the and the reclamation is complete. (ii) Mr. April to June volume will shortly be avail­ N. F. Malmstedt has reclaimed a lease area able. I am informed that copy for the· adjacent to the proposed boat harbour. third quarter of 1972 is at the Government Lease negotiations commenced in 1960 Printing Office waiting to go to press prior to consideration of the area for boai Questions Upon Notice [20 MARCH 1973] Questions Upon Notice 3057

harbour development. (iii) The Depart­ PRE-SCHOOL CENTRE FOR VICTORIA ment of Harbours and Marine has been POINT conducting discussions with the Common­ Mr. Baldwin, pursuant to notice, asked The wealth Department of Services and Minister for Education,- Property acting on behalf of the C.S.I.R.O. since 1972 in respect of the lease in the In view of the many requests I have area." received from couples with young children living in the fast-growing area around the (3) "One channel was constructed by Victoria Point State Primary School, will the Department of Harbours and Marine in he consider having a survey of the area 1970. This channel is acceptable." made, if one has not already been made, with a view to recommending to his ( 4) "To the State-dredging, $20,000; colleague, the Minister for Works, that the and navigation aids, $10,000. Total, planning and construction of a pre-school $30,000. To the local authority-Nil." centre at Victoria Point be carried out as soon as possible? (5) As pointed out in an earlier Answer, final development plans of the Toondah Small Craft Harbour development have not Answer:- yet been approved. Further development "Consideration has been given to the in the area will depend upon demand and establishment of pre-school facilities at the the availability of funds." Victoria Point State Primary School. At present, investigations are being carried out with a view to acquiring additional land in the area for this purpose."

FEASIBILITY STUDY, INCLUSION OF MORETON BAY ISLANDS IN REDLAND SHIRE LIBRARIES, PRIMARY SCHOOLS Mr. Baldwin, pursuant to notice, asked The Mr. P. Wood, pursuant to notice, a&ked Minister for Local Government,- The Minister for Works,- ( 1) Are any Commonwealth funds or With reference to the expenditure of grants involved in the construction of new $1,500 approved in 1971 for the Redland primary school libraries and, if so, what Shire to carry out a feasibility survey and are the details? further to my request for information on the results of such survey and as it has (2) At which State primary schools have been announced to the people of the new libraries been approved? Islands that the survey is complete- Answers:- ( I) Has the survey in fact been com­ pleted and has a report been submitted to (!) "Yes. An amount of $720,000 from his relevant Department? a Commonwealth Grant, made available by the previous Government, is included in (2) If so, will he make copies of the the Department of Works 1972-73 Loan report available to interested Honourable Program." Members? (2) "Approval has been given for the (3) If not, will he, in view of the acceptance of tenders for erection of Queensland Government Gazette notice of libraries at the State primary schools at January giving three months' notice of Everton Park, Wynnum North, Goodna, objection, expedite the completion of the Rangeville, Mundingburra and Dalby. report and make a copy available? Tenders are under consideration for six additional centres and tenders have been. called for a further two centres." Answers:- (1) "Yes." (2) "The Honourable Member for Red­ LIBRARIES, QUEENSLAND INSTITUTE OF lands is referred to his Question No. 22 TECHNOLOGY AND KELVIN GROVE answered by me on October 31 last, dealing TEACHERS' CoLLEGE with this matter. I re-iterate my statement Mr. P. Wood, pursuant to notice, asked on that occasion that the feasibility study The Minister for Education,- was commissioned by the Redland Shire ( 1) Is he aware of the unsatisfactory Council and accordingly the making avail­ conditions at libraries at the Institute of able of copies of the report thereon to Technology and the Kelvin Grove Members of Parliament would be a matter Teachers' College? for the council." ( 2) Will he provide details of any plans (3) "See Answers to (1) and (2)." which will overcome these problems? 3058 Questions Upon Notice [20 MARCH 1973] Questions Upon Notice

Answers:- POULTRY FLOCK NUMBERS, NORTH AND CENTRAL QUEENSLAND (1) "Yes." Mr. Y ewdale, pursuant to notice, asked (2) "Both State and Commonwealth The Minister for Primary Industries,- Governments have agreed to share equally Has he received representations from the cost of erecting a $1 :i- million library egg producers' organisations in North­ at the Queensland Institute of Technology. ern and Central Queensland relating to Planning is proceeding and a brief for the flock numbers and, if so, has he given building which has been approved by the any consideration to their submissions? Board of Advanced Education has in fact been forwarded to the Australian Com­ Answer:- mission on Advanced Education for con­ "Yes, the Honourable Member for sideration. Councils of all Queensland Callide introduced a deputation from State teachers colleges have recently pre­ representatives of both Central and North pared submissions setting out their capital Queensland egg producers to me on March 3 in Rockhampton. I had a very and recurrent financial needs for the period full discussion with the people concerned July 1, 1973, to December 31, 1975. The and their representations have been taken Council of the Kelvin Grove College of into account in the drafting of a Bill on the Teacher Education will no doubt have subject which I shall shortly be intro­ assessed its library needs in the context of ducing." its triennial planning. The submissions are at present being considered by the relevant authorities." BUILDING CONTRACTS, WORKS DEPARTMENT Mr. Newton, pursuant to notice, asked The Minister for Works,- SPECIAL CLASSES FOR STUDENTS ln view of Cabinet's decision to take REPEATING SENIOR COURSE over three building contracts granted to a construction company- Mr. P. Wood, pursuant to notice asked The Minister for Education,- ' ( 1) When was work commenced on the three contracts, viz. (a) the Towns­ Will he outline details of arrangements ville Courts of Law complex, (b) the made by his Department to assist students physics and para-medical building, Queens­ who have decided to repeat grade 12 land Institute of Technology, Brisbane, in 1973, as these students are caught and (c) the new Main Roads Department administration block at Townsville? up in the change-over from the external to the internal examination system? (2) When were these projects to be completed by the construction company? Answer:- (3) What progress payments have been made on these projects in each category . "In ~hose schools where numbers warrant It specral classes are established for Grade to the company? 12 st~del}ts who are repeating the Senior ( 4) Was the lowest tender accepted exammatwn. In other schools students on each project? returning are absorbed in existing classes. They. then have two options:-(i) by (5) What other construction companies studymg semesters 3 and 4 of subjects tendered for these projects and what was they. took the previous year, they will the tender price in each category? qualify for a certificate which will show their achievement in these semesters. This ( 6) What is the expected increase in certificate combined with their senior costs of each project taken over? examination results of the previous year could be used by them to obtain employ­ (7) What action was taken to see that all sub-contractors have been paid for ment or to seek special consideration for contracts carried out by them on each entry to a tertiary institution. It is sug­ project? gested, however, that students should check with the tertiary institution they propose ( 8) What action has been taken to see to enter to ascertain if these procedures that all wages and leave-entitlement pay­ will be recognised. (ii) In addition to the ments have been paid to the employees formal class work in the subj·ect courses for directly employed by the construction semesters 3 and 4, they can obtain tutorial company? assistance in revising the other parts of (9) What extra labour was taken over the 1972 senior course. They can then take or engaged by his Department to com­ the external examination at the end of plete any of these projects, or what this year, and if they work conscientiously alternative arrangements have been made they can be reasonably certain of success." to have the projects completed? Questions Without Notice (20 MARCH 1973] Questions Without Notice 3059

Answers:- as this whole matter has caused a great deal (1) "(a) March 20, 1972; (b) Decem­ of concerned interest not only throughout ber 8, 1971; and (c) July 22, 1971." Australia but around the world. (2) "(a) July 19, 1974; (b) August 16, Mr. Davis: I'm sure President Nixon didn't 1974; and (c) January 17, 1973, sleep last night. respectively, as aforestated." Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: I think a lot of (3) "Total progress payments were Australians did not sleep last night, either. made as follows:-(a) $417,141.59; (b) One could answer this question at great $320,501.27; and (c) $621,252.15, length. One could ask why there is this respectively, as aforestated." special interest in, and concern for, people from Communist countries overseas that (4) "Yes." prompted Senator Murphy to take the action (5) "This information is laid on the he did. Table of the House." Mr. Hinze: He should be charged with breaking and entering. (6) No indication can be given of increased costs until all tenders are received M;. SPEAKER: Order! for works necessary to complete the pro­ jects." Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: As Premier of this State, I have repeated again and again (7 to 9) "At this stage, having regard my very deep concern at the Commonwealth to the financial implications in completing Government's moving away from the demo­ the projects, no direct payments to sub­ cratic, free nations of the world into the contractors have been made. Existing sub­ arms of Communist nations. It is of added contractors are being preferred for the concern that the Commonwealth Govern­ completion of their work, under the same ment has taken an additional step in dealing terms and conditions as applied to their with the special security service provided for original contracts. Appropriate action this country. would be taken in respect of wages and conditions of employment if complaints Mr. Houston: What about the steps you were received from ex-employees of the have taken for our security? contractor. The Townsville Courts of Law project will be completed by contract. The Mr. RJELKE-PETERSEN: The Leader of Brisbane Queensland Institute of Tech­ the Opposition can be assured that the nology Physics and Para-Medical Building Government will face up to its responsibilities and the Townsville Main Roads building not only in everyday affairs but also in are being completed by the use of the matters that affect the security of this State Department of Works workforce in con­ and nation. We will play our part as Aus­ junction with specialised trade contractors. tralians would expect us to play it. I also Six additional men have been engaged for assure the Leader of the Opposition that the preparatory and protective work at Towns­ Government will not tolerate any attempt bv Senator Murphy, or other members of the ville Courts of Law. Five labourers and one crane driver have been engaged as Federal Government, to interfere in the additional labour for the physics and para­ activities of the Special Branch of the Police medical building in Brisbane." Force of this State. I make that quite clear. Opposition Members interjected. Paper.-Whereupon Mr. Hodges laid upon the Table of the House the information Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: The honm:rable referred to in Answer to ( 5). member for Lytton says I am using this for political purposes. QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE Mr. Bnrns: Political principles. CO-OPERATION OF QUEENSLAND POLICE WITH Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: What is A.S.I.O. AND CoMMONWEALTH PoucE Senator Murphy doing but using this issue for political purposes? Mr. HOUSTON: I ask the Premier: In the past, have the A.S.I.O. and the Common­ Opposition Members interjected. wealth police supplied information to the Mr. HOUSTON: I rise to a point of order. Special Branch of the Queensland Police I asked a straight-out question concerning the Force regarding southern and overseas Queensland Police Force. The Premier has undesirables? If so, will the expressed refusal not even tried to answer it. of Queensland's co-operation now mean that Special Branch files will relate only to l\1r. BJELKE-PETERSEN: There were so Queensland matters, to the detriment of its many interjections that I had to answer con­ over-all efficiency? cerning this very vital question. The Queens­ land Government will certainly continue to Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: In some play its part, wherever and however it may be respects I should have liked the Leader of necessary, in maintaining the security of our the Opposition to put his question on notice, State and nation. 3060 Questions Without Notice [20 MARCH 1973) Questions Without Notice

ROYAL COMMISSION, BOMBING OF WHISKY Financial Review", Mr. Fitzgerald stated to Au-Go-Go NIGHT CLUB those 70 men, at a gathering that he had called to give them a rundown on what to Mr. N. F. JONES: I ask the Premier: Has expect, that they were not going there to do his attention been drawn to a front-page business, that the principal purpose of the statement in a Brisbane newspaper last visit was a political one, to give a front and Wednesday by the Minister for Works and to show the Australian flag in Red China. Housing, which quotes the Minister as saying If the honourable member reads that state­ that he will press for a royal commission ment, he will have a very different outlook into certain allegations once court proceedings on and a very different view of, what the concerning the Whisky Au-Go-Go fire are C~mmonwealth Government is intending completed? In view of this statement, will he relative to its close association with Red give an assurance that the Government will China. agree to the Minister's request and conduct the royal commission that he demands at the PENSIONERS ATTENDING HOSPITAL OUT­ earliest appropriate date? PATIENTS DEPARTMENTS Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: The statement Mr. MILLER: Before asking the Minister by the Minister for Works and Housing arose for Health a question without notice, I refer out of an assertion by Senator Murphy that him to a statement in "The Australian" of certain information had been passed on to 21 February that pensioners and elderly the Queensland police. That information was people predominate among those who pack not received at the Police Department in the hard seats in hospital out-patients depart­ Queensland and, with that in mind, the ments for waiting periods of up to four Minister said he wanted to get to the bottom hours. In view of the existence of the of the statement that the information had pensioner medical service, can. he explain been sent and received. At the moment, why pensioners attend out-patJents depart­ certain action is being taken to ascertain just ments in such large numbers? when, where, and if, notice that the place was to be bombed had been sent, or whether Mr. TOOTH: The statement to which the it had not been sent. The Government is honourable member refers is in line with waiting to ascertain the truth or otherwise the total series of distortions, misrepresenta­ of the statement that was made in Canberra. tions and downright untruths-- Mr. N. F. JONES: In other words, there Mr. Burns interjected. will be no royal commission! Mr. TOOTH: If the honourable member Mr. SPEAKER: Order! will let me answer, I will continue. The statement is in line with the series of PROPOSED VISIT TO MAINLAND CHINA BY distortions, misrepresentations and down­ AUSTRALIAN TRADE MISSION right untruths which formed the tissue of the Mr. N. F. JONES: I refer the Premier to whole of those articles. the proposed visit to Mainland China of an Mr. Burns interjected. Australian Trade Mission composed of leading business personalities and ask this Mr. SPEAKER: Order! question: In view of his past statements con­ cerning Australian citizens who seek closer Mr. TOOTH: The plain fact of the matter liaison with Mainland China. does he now is-- believe that men such as Sir Ian McLennan, Mr. Burns interjected. Mr. D. J. Hibberd, Mr. K. Myer, Mr. N. C. Coles, Mr. R. G. Jackson, Mr. H. C. Schmidt Mr. SPEAKER: Order! I will not warn the and others have suddenly revealed themselves honourable member for Lytton again. as dangerous Left-wing radicals? Mr. TOOTH: The plain fact of the matter Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: There is a very is, if the honourable member for Lytton big difference between commercial relation­ would only let me speak,-- ships and political relationships. Mr. Houston interjected. (Opposition laughter.) Mr. SPEAKER: Order! Mr. SPEAKER: Order! Mr. TOOTH: Honourable members Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: This is a very opposite will not like this, nor will "The important point, and is one to which I draw Australian", but the plain fact of the matter is the attention of every member of this House. that pensioners attending out-patients and In an article that appeared in "The Australian casualty departments at the major metro­ Financial Review" last week, it was stated politan hospitals form a very small percentage that 70 businessmen who are going to Red of the total number of persons treated. The China to see whether they can do business statistics for the most recent financial year were addressed by Mr. Fitzgerald, the new for which we have figures indicate that Australian Ambassador to Red China. the average number of pensioners attending According to the article in "The Australian casualty departments of the metropolitan Construction Safety, &c., Bill [20 MARCH 1973] Hen Quotas Bill 3061 hospitals represented less than 4 per cent of WAGES ATTACHMENT ACT the total number attending, and in the AMENDMENT BILL out-patients department they represented less than 5 per cent of the total. THIRD READING Bill, on motion of Mr. Campbell, read a CO-OPERATION OF QUEENSLAND POLICE WITH third time. A.S.I.O. AND COMMONWEALTH POLICE Mr. TUCKER: Before directing a question ANZAC DAY ACT AMENDMENT BILL to the Premier, I refer to his statement in yesterday's "Telegraph" that State police THIRD READING would co-operate with Commonwealth police Bill, on motion of Mr. Campbell, read a only when necessary. I now ask him: Who third time. will be the judge of necessity? Will it be the Premier, the Minister in charge of Queensland police, the Commonwealth police, HOLIDAY (TWENTY-FOURTH DAY OF the security authorities, or the Queensland APRIL) BILL Police Commissioner? Further, does this statement mean that investigations by police THIRD READING of security matters involving Commonwealth­ Bill, on motion of Mr. Campbell, read a State co-operation or co-ordination in Queens­ third time. land have now been placed under strict State political control? ELECTIONS ACT AND THE CRIMINAL Mr. BJELKE-PETERSEN: One thing is CODE AMENDMENT BILL sure-Senator Murphy will not be directing and controlling them. THIRD READING I have just answered a question by the Bill, on motion of Mr. Knox, read a Leader of the Opposition, and in my answer third time. I outlined the exact position. This is that we in this State will accept our responsibility to the full in every regard-not only in this MOCK AUCTIONS BILL particular area of Government responsibility THIRD READING and activity but in every area that involves Government responsibility. Bill, on motion of Mr. Knox, read a third time. WORKERS' COMPENSATION ACT AMENDMENT BILL HEN QUOTAS BILL INITIATION INITIATION IN COMMITTEE Hon. J. BJELKE-PETERSEN (Barambah (The Chairman of Committees, Mr. Lickiss, -Premier): I move- Mt. Coot-tha, in the chair) "That the House will, at its present sitting, resolve itself into a Committee of Hon. V. B. SULLIVAN (Condamine­ the Whole to consider introducing a Bill Minister for Primary Industries) (12.14 to amend the Workers' Compensation Acts p.m.): I move- 1916 to 1966 in certain particulars." "That a Bill be introduced relating to Motion agreed to. the stabilisation of the egg industry; in that respect, to make provision with regard to MEDICAL ACT AND OTHER ACTS the determination of quotas in relation (ADMINISTRATION) ACT AMEND­ to hen flock sizes on land used for the MENT BILL production of eggs; and for connected purposes." THIRD READING This Bill is of major importance and I have Bill, on motion of Mr. Tooth, read a no doubt it will provoke a fair amount of third time. debate. It is designed to enable the egg industry to introduce and operate a demand­ CHILDREN'S SERVICES ACT supply management scheme, involving AMENDMENT BILL hen quotas. THIRD READING Let me state at the outset that it is not intended to limit egg production only to Bill, on motion of Mr. Herbert, read a domestic demand. Provision will be made third time. for a safety margin of about 15 per cent to ensure that the housewife always has an CONSTRUCTION SAFETY ACT adequate supply of eggs. AMENDMENT BILL Broadly, the proposal is similar in many THIRD READING respects to quota schemes operating in other Bill, on motion of Mr. Campbell, read a industries. However, there are some areas of third time. difference. In this case we are dea!!ng with 3062 Hen Quotas Bill [20 MARCH 1973] Hen Quotas Bill

production from laying hens and the only State schemes will be fully operative later effective way of operating a workable scheme this year. In. Queensland, we hope to have is to base it on hen numbers. the scheme operating by July this year. I will spell out the basis of operation in There is one other important point I would more detail shortly, but at this juncture I like to make before proceeding to outline feel I should outline some of the background some of the provisions of the Bill. This to the Bill. The egg industry's problems stem concerns the likely effect on egg prices. This basically from two causes. Firstly, during aspect is of vital concern to the consumer and recent years there has been a massive in­ also, I know, to every member of this crease in egg production over the whole of Assembly. Australia. Between 1965-66 and 1971-72 the The proposed demand-supply management number of commercial hens increased from scheme could not, because of its very nature, 9,500,000 to 13,000,000, an increase of 37 cause any increase in egg prices. In fact, it per cent. This number is far in excess of is more likely to result in greater stability of Australian domestic crequirements. At the prices. Returns to producers from eggs sold same time, export outlets have virtually disap­ for export and those sold on the domestic peared. lt is not just a lack of reasonably market are equalised. The hen le·vy is used priced markets. It is more a lack of any for that purpose. Further, when there are substantial export outlet at any price. Many large export surpluses being sold at very low of the countries which previously imported prices, there is a tendency to try to h<;>ld eggs have now become self-sufficient. the local market price up to try to give As a result of this collapse in export the producer a reasonable average return. markets, coupled with greatly increased pro­ If these uneconomic surpluses are eliminated, duction, considerable quantities of eggs have that pressure will be removed. had to be converted to pulp. Some of this I am not saying, for one minute, that pulp could not be sold at a price which would there will be no increase in egg prices in cover even the cost of manufacture, handling the future. No-one could say that. The egg and storage, let alone return anything to the industry will still be subject to the usual producer for his eggs. To go on producing inflationary pressures, as is every other rural surpluses under such conditions would be industry. It will also still be subject to quite ridiculous. changes in prices of feedstuffs. The Bill The effect of these unsaleable surpluses will not alter that, but as I said a moment has been to reduce average returns to poultry ago it will remove at least one of the farmers to very low levels. Many poultry pressures on prices. It will also result in a farmers have been forced to leave the indus­ more reasonable return to the producer. try, whilst others have just managed to hang As far as the Bill itself is concerned we on in the hope that a scheme such as the one have largely followed the patterns of our covered in this Bill would be implemented. other quota legislation. Provision has been The industry in Queensland agreed quite made for a hen quota committee and an some time ago that some form of demand­ appeals tribunal. supply management scheme was necessary. However, eggs are a readily transportable The quota committee will be responsible commodity and it would be impracticable for in the first instance for allocating the State quota amongst individual producers. The any one State to go it alone. If, for example, Queensland had introduced controls on its committee will consist of the Director of own, the scheme would almost certainly have Marketing and four producer representatives broken down as a result of large-scale inter­ nominated by the industry. The intention is state imports. that all the industry organisations should get together and nominate the producer repre­ Western Australia is in a rather unique sentatives. However, provision has also been position because of its distance from the made for separate panels of names if agree­ eastern States, and it was able to bring in ment cannot be reached by all the organisa­ controls without running such a risk. Similar tions. legislation was introduced in that State in The appeals tribunal will have a magistrate 1970. It has since experienced some prob­ or barrister-at-law as chairman and will have lems, but generally the scheme seems to be two other members. One o.f these will be working quite well there. nominated by the industry organisations. The New South Wales enacted legislation to other will be an independent person well deal with the problem at the end of last year, versed in the industry, who has no direct and it is expected to come into operation this financial interest. vear. A Bill has been introduced in Victoria The quotas wiil attach to both the pro­ and it is expected to be considered during the ducer and his farm and may only be trans­ autumn session. South Australia has also ferred with the approval of the committee. agreed to implement a production control As I indicated in connection with another scheme. Bill recently, this provision is de&igned to The pos:fon now is that all States have prevent any trafficking in quotas. agreed to the implementation of a scheme to The quotas will, of course, be expressed limit the numbers of hens kept for commer­ in terms of hen numbers and initially the cial egg production. It is hoped that all the 1970-71 season will be used as a base. The Hen Quotas Bill [20 MARCH 1973] Hen Quotas Bill 3063 industry has recommended and the Govern­ reference to a 15 per cent safety margin ment has agreed that there should be no over and above expected domestic demand. cutback by the smaller producer with fewer Visualising what would happen with fluctu­ than 5,000 birds. In fact, it is intended that ating production such as occurs when fowls no producer will be cut back on his first engage in "stand-up" strikes, as it were, at 5,000 hens. However, provision has been certain times of the laying season and cease made to allow for the defining of districts production, my committee and I were some­ and for variation of the basis of allocation what concerned. There has to be a buffer as between districts should this be necessary. between the normal ebb and flow of egg pro­ duction, otherwise prices will vary widely. The initial Queensland quota will be 1,900,000 hens. Quotas agreed on for other It is true that egg producers have been States are- most emphatic in seeking to close their 5,470,000 inJustry by the imposition of hen quotas. New South Wales They have arrived at this point of view Victoria 3,170,000 after casting envious eyes at the more stable South Australia 1,180,000 economics of other industries that have Western Australia 930,000 adjusted themselves to production in keeping Tasmania .. 200,000 with reasonable demand. When one realises Australian Capital that there has been an increase of 37 per Territory 85,000 cent in egg production in the past six years Quotas will be reviewed annually or more and a growing self-sufficiency in many of frequently should this be desirable. The the overseas market outlets, it becomes usual provision has been made regarding obvious that some form of control is an reduction or forfeiture of quotas where a urgent necessity. producer consistently fails to produce his Unchecked production for unprofitable quota. This is to ensure that the quotas export markets cannot continue without either remain in the hands of the actual producers the eventual bankruptcy of producers or a call who need them and are not left idle. for financial support from egg consumers on Those are the main features of the Bill. the home market. The more or less There are of course a lot of machinery pro­ unrestricted conversion of surplus eggs to visions, but I do not propose to go into egg pulp, at a substantial loss, is no longer them at this stage. That would be more the answer to the problem of overproduction appropriate after members have had an nor do I believe that it ever was. The opportunity to see the Bill. nee:l for the application of universal prin­ Finally, I mention that this measure has ciples of control to egg producers in all the strong support of most commercial egg States is obvious. Any other system would producers. However, it is intended that the lend itself to lawful sabotage-! repeat "law­ Act will not be proclaimed until a ballot ful sabotage"-because producers in a dis­ of all commercial egg producers has been senting State could then export to other taken. States. I commend the motion to the Committee. As the Minister said in his introductory remarks, Western Australia is in a somewhat Mr. BLAKE (Isis) (12.25 p.m.): It seems different position because of its distance from quite obvious that the Bill has been designed the eastern States, and I was rather sur­ with the intention of bringing stability-and, prised to hear the honourable gentleman say under present circumstances, sanity-to egg that some difficulties have been experienced production in Queensland by limiting the in Western Austraila. I am aware, of course, size of flocks in keeping with the availability that a number of difficulties are usually of reasonably assured and profitable export associated with egg production; but the fact markets. The Opposition has no argument that the machinery of quota control has been whatever with the principle involved. Of in operation in other industries made me course, we wish to study the Bill to see how think that Western Australia would encounter the principle is to be implemented before only very minor difficulties in this field. saying whether we agree or disagree with Every industry has its own peculiarities and the contents of the measure. Although sets of circumstances, and it is to be hoped Opposition members are at present completely that, in the drafting of the proposed Bill, a in the dark on these matters, the over-all very sensible effort was made to consult with principle of the Bill is in line with our the administration in Western Australia, to own thoughts on sensible production in keep­ learn from its experience, and to endeavour ing with reasonably assured profitable outlets. to obviate some of the difficulties that have It appears that the Bill is very similar arisen under what I might term the pioneering to legislation governing other primary indus­ legislation in the field of egg production. tries in which quotas have been introduced. The Opposition is not au fait with the details According to the Minister, egg quotas will of the Bill's machinery sections, but, from be fully operative in other States later this the Minister's brief outline of the Bill, it year, and Queensland expects to have the appears to follow what I consider to be provisions of the Bill operating fully by a known plan and provisions that have been I July. Without knowing the exact provisions introduced, with the same objective. in other in the Bill, T have a doubt in my mind at indn,tries. and have very largely been suc­ present about the statistics on which quotas ces,ful. I noted with interest the Minister's have been fixed. I have heard people in the 3064 Hen Quotas Bill [20 MARCH 1973] Hen Quotas Bill egg industry voice some disquiet about the I agree that the egg industry is like any fact that the quotas may have been fixed on other in that it will be subject to the same last year's production. According to what inflationary pressures, higher food costs and the Minister has said, the quotas will be fixed perhaps higher labour costs. That should not on the 1970-71 figures, which could be refer­ be used in the future as an argument against red to as those for the year before last, and orderly production and orderly marketing there is some disquiet in the industry that the through the quota system. Commonwealth statistics used to establish the The machinery outlined by the Minister is State quotas are out of date. I realise, of similar to that successfully operating in other course, that subsequent production figures, industries. It is the operation of that ma­ after analysis, probably have indicated that, chinery which will decide whether or not the for some reason or other, the position in quota system of the egg industry-! call it 1970-71 is very nearly on all fours with the the "egg" industry even though it is based on position today. The Bill having just been hens-does operate to the benefit of both introduced, I am not in a position to know, producers and consumers. That is a very but that probably is so. If it is, the Opposi­ vital point. We know that such a system tion has no complaint. However, I hope that can operate in any industry to the benefit of the Minister will give some information on the producer. Orderly production and mar­ that point when he discusses the Bill further, keting should result in benefits to both because, as I ~aid, certain egg producers have producers and consumers. expressed the view that the figures are a little bit out of date and that, as the legisla­ I do not think there is any need for me tion is designed to come into effect on to elaborate at this stage on what appear to 1 July, a whole new set of production figures be the machinery provisions of the Bill. It on which to base the quotas could be made is necessary, of course, to have a hen-quota available. committee. Broadly, it appears to have the same basis on which quota committees in I accept the Minister's statement, with cer­ other industries have operated successfully. tain reservations, that the introduction of the No over-all scheme will ever please all scheme will not result in increased prices. involved in it and this applies particularly in It is true, of course, that when exports are primary industries as primary producers are uneconomic the situation is overcome by rather independent in their outlook. There­ "jacking up" home-consumption prices. In fore, the appeals tribunal is a very necessary some circumstances, this does tend to keep and important part of the machinery. prices above their ordinary level. However, I accept in theory the Minister's contention We have all heard about dissatisfaction in that prices will not rise-that is, on the cost various industries. I have heard of it in the criteria now operating. We are all consumers, wheat industry because of the implementation I suppose, even though we are not all egg of wheat quotas; I have heard of it in the producers. sugar industry because of assignments and farm peaks. Various people have raised It is a matter of great concern to some arguments against quotas that they regarded people when they see an industry being as valid. It is impossible to get universal closed. They think to themselves, "Perhaps contentment in any industry, human nature it will be turned into a situation where the being what it is. I have said it before and quota becomes a very valuable thing, and the I do not hesitate to say it again: if the profitability of the industry will not improve machinery that is in use in those industries, because of economics of production but and the machinery which is projected in the through restriction of production." I do not egg industry, were interpreted in the correct suggest that that is going to happen here, but manner, taking into account the reasons for the fact is that it could happen if the quota its enactment, there would be very little system is not operated in fairness to pro­ ground for complaint from any individual ducers and consumers alike. Even with a primary producer. But we have circum­ 15 per cent margin over and above expected stances in which it is alleged that the members demand, the quota system will need to be of such boards and committees do not dis­ watched very closely indeed to avoid some charge their duties completely in accordance increase in price over and above what could with the spirit of the regulations and the be justified by the exigencies of production evidence placed before them. and the market demand at that particular I confess that when I have been drawn time. into this argument and have had an unpreju­ I do see an improvement through the diced, unbiased, coldly factual and fair look wiping out of much of the unprofitable at how certain boards operate, I have found, in the great majority of cases, that such a overseas exports. Although perhaps sound charge could not justly be levelled at them. in basis, the hen levy did bring forth an In other cases I have found what I con­ anomaly, and one that militated particularly sidered to be anomalies in the administration against Queensland producers in that they of boards and the discharge of their duties. paid into the fund a good deal more than If we set ourselves up as judges of those who they ever received from it. The Bill will have been selected on their qualifications to equate this situation, which will then be much perform these duties, we are taking a very more favourable for Queensland producers. egotistical stand and assuming a great deal of Hen Quotas Bill [20 MARCH 1973] Hen Quotas Bill 3065

responsibility. However, when substantial evi­ is in line with the Government's policy of dence has been produced by a number of implementing this t

-that his feed costs per 1,000 eggs pro­ past years, Australia's surplus production was duced were 50 per cent higher than those so small compared with world demand that of the best in the group, he would be able eggs could be placed somewhere in the to concentrate on this area of his business world, although not necessarily at a desir­ and seek guidance from the experts on how able price or always immediately. But over­ he could improve his operations. When feed production was certainly not the mini-moun­ costs represent 60 per cent of recurring tain of stockpiling that exists today. The expenditure, an operator could obviously domestic market has always been the main effect considerable savings. Knowing that outlet for eggs. With world outlets closing comparability between everyone in the indus­ fast, the industry must pay attention to the try was relevant, it would be very helpful existing imbalance of over-production. to him in making decisions if he could com­ Fortunately-and I gathered this from the pare labour costs per 1,000 eggs produced Minister's remarks-relatively small adust­ with labour costs of all the other people in ments will be needed to bring about stability the industry. Comparable figures on the in this industry. Apparently. according to bird losses of all producers in South-east the Minister, there is no long-term future Queensland would be a great help. The in exports to any major degree. Although number of eggs per bird each year, the Japan has been an increasing user of eggs number of broken eggs per 1,000 eggs, and and egg pulp, its stepping up of feed-grain perhaps another 100 criteria would enable imports will probably make provision for an operator to assess weaknesses in his oper­ domestic hatchings and local supplies rather ation, maximise his profitability and make than imports of eggs, or even poultry, from the best management decisions. He would Australia. be able to assess every weakness and strength in his operations and relate all phases of Naturally, as egg production is seasonal, his business to the most important criterion with flushes and shortages, some exports will of all, that is, its over-all profitability. be required, particularly for fresh eggs. Of course, the previous major market in the In the past the Bureau of Agricultural United Kingdom will be virtual·ly closed. Economics in the Federal sphere assessed With the imposition of levies, the European the value of this type of approach to Common Market has practicaily slammed management in primary industry. It said the door on egg entry into Europe, although, that this exercise applies equally to this as is the case with beef at the moment, industry and many others. It proved that special opportunities and shortages could when this type of approach to management allow short-term markets in and inroads into was undertaken-and it can be undertaken the Common Market for eggs. With most easily in this industry-the result, on average, countries having egg problems of their own, was that on-farm net profitability doubled Japan and China probably offer our best within three years. opportunities for egg exports. However, I hope that, with this type of supply egg build-up in Australia has unfortunately management measure, the industry and the forced sales overseas at a low economic Government will take advantage of the level and has eroded the returns of the situation to consider the implementation of producers from the domestic market. But a scheme such as the one I have outlined. fortunately the domestic consumer has always The implementation of this supply manage­ been prepared to pay a fair price for quality. ment measure offers an excellent opportunity With the egg producer now tuned to local to initiate such a scheme, which could well demand and quality, a sound future for the lead to doubled profitability in the industry egg industry is possible. within three years. On that basis, I believe At present, there is concern in the industry it is certainly worthy of the industry's con­ because production has outstripped local sideration. demand and, with overseas markets diminish­ ing and local costs rising, the situation has Mr. AIKEN (Warrego) (12.54 p.m.): The become acute for producers, with the indus­ poultry industry is one of Queensland's major try fast becoming poverty stricken. Egg primary industries. It may not be generally production tends to become located near appreciated that it ranks sixth in Australia's areas of consumption-close to cities or large rural production after wool, wheat, meat, towns-and considerable numbers of egg­ dairy produce and sugar-cane. Egg produc­ laying fowls are still being kept in small tion is a vital part of the poultry industry. household flocks, in both the city and the However, whilst white meats, including country, and naturally these flocks must have chicken meat, move in a competitive fashion some effect on the commercial producer. with red meats, egg producers are accused of producing too many eggs. As a result, Today, for the reasons I have outlined, supply management must be introduced there is a marked trend towards fewer pro­ throughout Australia; thus, we have the ducers and larger farms. as well as fewer present measure before us. and more isolated areas of production. Some farmers have been fortunate because the The future for eggs, or any other pro­ urban sprawl has allowed high mark-up sales duct for that matter, is bound up with the of their farms to land developers and to relationship between production and market Queen Street and Wickham Terrace farmers. availability. Strangely, this has not always This has provided a fortunate escape from been the case with the egg industry. In the increasingly uneconomic poultry industry. Hen Quotas Bill [20 MARCH 1973] Hen Quotas Bill 3067

Specialised egg-producing techniques have the point of laying, costs at least $1 a bird. made the industry highly efficient, but as is Good birds will lay about 20 dozen eggs a the case with all primary producers in this year. Feed alone costs about 20c a dozen State who are devoted to the production of eggs. When one considers the cost of essential foods, the egg farmer remains labour, interest on borrowed capital, unrecognised by the Government. He is depreciation of plant, power and other endeavouring to survive in his only known running expenses, it is easy to see that the sphere of living, but is failing dismally. cost of producing a dozen eggs is very [Sitting suspended from 1 to 2.15 p.m.] considerable. That egg producers have been able to Mr. AIKEN: Despite the general non­ remain in production as long as they have recognition of the farmer, he is essential, shows the poultry industry to be remarkably and the fact that there are many shortages efficient, and our eggs and chicken meat are of necessary foods today demonstrates this able to hold their own with the best in the point and brings it home to the people as world. This is the record of the industry, a whole. I call upon the Government, as even though it has not been fully recognised I have done before, to give special recogni­ in this State. Surely the Government is tion and personal attention to primary pro­ aware that farm profitability is essential in ducers and their dependants, and also to the all avenues of production, and the priorities many services that are so essential for the of Government 5upport to primary industries maintenance of adequate rural production. should be considered immediately if these The Bill shows no concern for the small industries are to survive, let alone prosper. producer. This, of course, leads again to Good quality, good technique and deter­ the distasteful system of aggregation, with mination have always been the ways to larger producers monopolising the industry. achieve good farm production. But farmers are A feature of the Government's attitude to fighting a hopeless battle when the Govern­ farmers seems to be, "Get big or go to ment is prepared to forget about them, hell." It is shameful that increased produc­ instead of bucking in and ensuring that tion is given as a reason for lower returns, they have economic stability, a profitable the excuse always being over-production. market, and a decent standard of living. Where is there any over-production today in wool, mutton, beef and wheat? I suspect, The poultry industry in Australia is now too, that some of the problems being faced worth about $200,000,000 a year and must by primary producers arise from lack of form an important part of our economic knowledge of what is required in overseas structure and our structure of living. It is markets. Let it always be remembered that also essential to the health of the people this foolish Government, and the equally of the State in general, particularly the foolish Premier, have refused the manv children. requests made for the establishment of trade I suppose that the Minister, being an centres overseas. It is not known whether expert on chicks and birds, could tell hon­ eggs or egg products, in a variety of forms, ourable members what would be a good can be profitably marketed overseas. About return to a farmer from 5,000 hens. If 25 per cent of Australian egg production he likes, I will give him a hand and say is exported, and it would be interesting to that it would be about $2,000 a year. Of know the various types of egg products, course, the Government's solution is to apart from fresh eggs, egg pulp and egg close the industry, which seems to me to powder, that the rest of the world may be contradictory for a Government that require. has always said it is dedicated to the law If it is considered that a farm with 5,000 of supply and demand. birds is an economic proposition today, what Another problem that could soon face the of the future? What guarantee will the near-city farmer is the anti-pollution legisla­ Government give to maintain the viability tion, which will probably lead to additional of the egg industry, or, for that matter, any costs. Chaos and the certain failure of many other primary industry? In a few years' producers must follow the introduction of time it may be necessary to keep 10,000 the quota system, as smaller producers will birds. Setting up a farm today close to be forced out of business. Where are the Brisbane, where land is dear, would prob­ buyers for their farms, unless they are in nbly cost, with sheds and plant, about favourable areas? Unless they are lucky $50,000. Where is encouragement given for enough to sell to land developers, they could this type of investment, especially when fall into the hands of the monopolists and there is in office a Government that is be crucified. There is no provision in the quite remarkable for its Jack of thought proposed Bill that will assist these people. for the welfare of primary producers') Not one section of primary industry is an I say that on overseas markets egg pulp easy, restful, retiring type of occupation. brings a low price because industry losses Thev all require specialist qualifications and have been spread among producers by means the heart of a lion, plus, of course, the of a Commonwealth levy and the State Egg necessary capital. Board. Rearing a chick (perhaps not the Poultry farming and egg production may type of "chick" that the Minister knows form a way of life in which experience h:1s more about), including the cost of feed, to proved to be the best teacher, nnd the results 3068 Hen Quotas Bill [20 MARCH 1973] Hen Quotas Bill

achieved have proved that our poultry pro­ of a sense of loyalty but because I feel ducers and egg producers are equal to the his submissions today were based on sound, best in the world today. Unfortunately, logical reasons. experience is now also teaching the farmer We have the great problem in all primary that he is not wanted, and daily more and industries of fluctuations between great over­ more experienced personnel are leaving the supply and shortage in production. The primary industries. Today the Minister pro­ Minister indicated that six years ago Aust.. poses to introduce a Bill that will hunt even tralia had about 9,500,000 hens and that more people out of primary industries. the number has now risen to over 13,000,000, Surely the message is clear. Young people, an increase of 37 per cent. We are now so discouraged by the experiences of their faced with the problem of finding suitable parents, are leaving the industry, and the markets for our production. We have been Government must soon move in a positive reliably informed that export markets are fashion to halt this trend and make provision almost non-existent. As I understand it, the for young farmers. It has not done so in purpose of the Bill is purely and simply to the proposed Bill, or in fact in any other regulate supply according to the demand. Bill that I have seen introduced in this Chamber. It is perfectly obvious that, unless the Few primary industries are stable today; requirements of both the producer and the none offers stability in the long term. Surely consumer are adequately met, we cannot have the worth and value of these industries is a successful industry. On past experience, apparent, and I ask: why do we treat our this has not always occurred. The result has farmers in the way that this Bill will treat been that we have gone from high prices the egg producers? Why are egg producers during periods of shortage to extremely low being hunted out of the industry? Why not prices in those of over-supply. I emphasise give them a quota that would give them a that I am an outside observer, but I should satisfactory income? Why not give them say that the supply of eggs can and must be a guarantee? Why "turf out" the little man? regulated. Apparently the Country-Liberal Govern­ Production in the poultry industry involves ment's solution is to get rid of the poor. a greater degree of organisation than exists There is no talk of boosting consumption, in any other primary industry. Not many no talk of seeking new markets or outlets. years ago the poultry industry was thought of The solution is just to put the chicken's as a barnyard type of operation. In many head on the block-and the farmer's with it! instances poultry flocks largely had tn forage What promotional activities have there been for their food. That is not the position now. overseas? What has happened in other As I mentioned earlier, a treme·ndous volume primary industries? What happened when of finance has been poured into this industry China refused to buy Australia's wheat? The and grave risks are being taken by the pro­ Wheat Board went out and found it could ducers. Without a doubt, they are entitled sell the wheat in other places. What has to protection and this can only be given the Minister done about selling eggs? With by some authority over the whole industry: meat, chicken and pork relatively dear, is it cannot be provided by individuals. As the egg to be despised? Isn't this product growers, they are not in a position to assess a protein? Aren't we told that protein is the potential of markets; this can only be scarce throughout the world? Have we done through their organisation, the Egg no salesmen at all to sell our products? Marketing Board. Are we being sold down the river by a The purpose of the Bill is to set up a lazy, indifferent Government? I say we quota committee. Many things can and are. Let us remember that just two short have been said about "quota-ing" in years ago the Government made a great various primary industries. All types of cry about undisposable commodities. Those hazards are encountered in assessing the un?isposable commodities were our wheat, potential production. I hope somebody da1ry products, wool, mutton and lamb. will correct me if I am misinterpreting the Today it is eggs. meaning of certain statements that have been I conclude by saying that the "egg and I", made, but I have been led to believe that and the industry, condemn the Minister and climatic conditions have considerable influence his Government for their short-sighted on egg production. Consequently, the policies. I make particular reference to the abnormally hot summer we have experienced fact that there are such things as duck eggs has undoubtedly affected current production. but the Minister would know all about them: However, hens can be housed under con­ ditions which will, to a large extent, over­ Mr. MULLER (Fassifern) (2.26 p.m.): I come the effect of hot weather. In addition, am always amazed at the strategy of the if the industry is controlled and quotas estab­ honourable member for Warrego, particularly lished, other conditions adverse to pro Juction when he is speaking about a primary industry. will be improved. I see considerable merit He has indicated on numerous occasions that in the establishment of quotas in this indus­ he believes he has most of the answers, and try. I realise that a production period on that we on this side become aware of them which to base quotas has to be selected, only after a particular situation has arisen. I and in this case the period so selected j, rise in support of the Minister not merely out 1970-71. In the light of experience, another Hen Quotas Bill [20 MARCH 1973] Hen Quotas Bill 3069 period may later have to be taken as the egg marketing board or authority, and there­ basis for quotas. However, this can only fore the North Queensland growers are be decided in the light of experience and deprived of r·epresentation. knowledge gained. Over all, the Bill has much merit. If production can be geared Mr. Sullivan: Do the growers want a to requirements, we will make ground. I board? commend the Minister on the introduction Mr. F. P. MOORE: If you had listened of the legislation and feel sure that, if it to their submissions, you would have found is administered correctly, it will be of great out. If you want to read their submissions, benefit to the poultry industry. I will lay them on the table of the House. Mr. F. P. MOORE (Mourilyan) (2.34 p.m.): The CHAIRMAN: Order! The honourable The previous speaker said that supply should member will address the Chair. and must be governed. That is undoubtedly true but under this Government neither indus­ Mr. F. P. MOORE: The Minister is try nor anything else is governed. The blatantly disturbing the Committee. He was Treasurer smiles, but there is no doubt that sacked from the Lands portfolio and has he has connived and "conned" us throughout now taken over the important portfolio of the whole of his period in this Chamber. Primary Industrie·s. However, to date he has As Treasurer of the State, he cannot accept shown onj,y that he is a very nonchalant the true facts of life. Over the years the Minister. poultry farmers, particularly those in North Queensland, have been neglected by the suc­ Sir Gordou Chalk: You sound like a bit cessive Ministers for Primary Industries and of a dingo. Treasurers of this State, who have favoured the monopolies. This has been rewarded by Mr. F. P. MOORE: You're a bit of a contributions to the Government's slush funds dingo at all times. for fighting election campaigns. The CHAIRMAN: Order! An Honourable Member interjected. Mr. F. P. MOORE: Local production can­ Sir Gordon Chalk: I thought he was a not meet the demands of the North Queens­ rooster, not a hen. land market. The growers market their own produce, yet the area is charged with a Mr. F. P. MOORE: I'm certainly not an contribution to· the export surplus and there­ old fowl, like Chalk. fore cannot share in the State entitlement. In contrast, the Central Queensland growers The CHAIRMAN: Order! receive these funds. Autocratic decisions have been made by Mr. F. P. MOORE: He is always sitting on Cabinet without prior reference to industry a nest of eggs, even if they are Comalco leaders. In other words, neither the Minister shares. nor the Government has seen fit to represent the North Queensland poultry farmers. A,s The CHAIRMAN: Order! Mr. Anthony has frequently said, you-- Mr. F. P. MOORE: If they want to give The CHAIRMAN: Order! The honourable it, Mr. Lickiss, I can give it back. member will address the Chair. The demand and supply management of this industry and the quota determination that Mr. F. P. MOORE: The Minister and his this Bill introduces into it make us realise Government have neglected the North that the environment that will result from Queensland poultry farmers. For seven years this legislation will enable a sensible deter­ an association of farmers in the North has mination to be made of the situation in which worked hard to tidy up the present spongy the North Queensland poultry industry finds arrangement. The· stage has been reached itself. The amounts involved in the imposi­ where the destruction of every grower is tion of hen levies are reaching an imminent. North Queensland is the only area astronomical level. In fact, some growers, outside the jurisdiction of the marketing including one of the biggest in the Innisfail board in which producers are expected to area, are not able to pay the Commonwealth pay the full levy regardless of current levies. northern production costs. In addition to meeting his own marketing costs, every Mr. Lee: That's your A.L.P. Government. grower is also expected to sub&idise the marketing authority in Brisbane, which is in Mr. F. P. MOORE: The Commonwealth direct competition with him in the northern hen levies were originally fixed by Mr. market. I firmly believe that if the Govern­ Sinclair. Growers are beset by the imposition ment continues to favour the southern section of the present levy, as well as by the inability of this State it can quite easily flood the to pay past levies. North Queensland market and send northern poultry farmers to the wall. The North Queensland poultry industry covers an area stretching from south of St. If unpaid levies from this State were Lawrence to the North and the North-west. removed from the Federal books and marked Throughout that entire area there is not one "paid", with the growers and the Director 3070 Hen Quotas Bill [20 MARCH 1973] Hen Quotas Bill of Marketing having an exchange of cheques, These farmers are facing an imminent less 2;t per cent for administration, that disaster, and I must present to this Com­ would be one solution to the problem. But mittee a case not only on quotas, which that is not to be under this Country-Liberal are only the start in affording assistance to coalition Government, which, under the the North Queensland poultry farmers, but Premiership of the Honourable J. Bjelke­ also for more money for these farmers. This Petersen, is supposed to represent people in does not seem to be available-not from country areas. After the last electoral this Government, anyway. A parallel can redistribution, only one A.L.P. member is be drawn with the Premier's statements that listed in the country zone. I refer to the he is contributing so much money to honourable member for Mourilyan, who won various spheres, ipcluding Aborigines and his seat comfortably. If honourable members roads. This is in fact Commonwealth money. examine the Queensland Year Book they will I repeat that an imminent disaster is facing see that the country zone is composed of all poultry farmers north of St. Lawrence, country seats, so I speak for country people­ and I make a strong plea that they be given for rural people-because they put me here. some assistance. And they will continue to return me as long as I see fit to remain here. If the Country Party had any stomach at all, it would evolve a scheme to aid the All paid levies should be returned to the northern farmers and solve their problems growers concerned. Reimbursement should instead of allowing them to be subject to be made through the Poultry Industry Trust the authority of boards located in the Fund. Other egg marketing authorities in southern part of the State. The levies are Australia are also responsible for the impos­ paid to those boards, and the Government sible position that has developed in North should ensure that northern growers are Queensland. As a body, they must also come given justice and a better chance in general. to the party and make a reimbursement. f As a member of a recent Labor Party prim­ believe that from now on North Queensland ary industries committee tour, led by its producers should only be required to pay a very worthy chairman, the honourable mem­ token amount to comply with the Federal ber for Isis (Mr. Jim Blake), I saw the large law, which was introduced by a Tory Federal poultry producers in Country Party areas, Government-a Government that was sup­ including Pittsworth. posed to be in cahoots with the Liberal Party. Mr. Sullivan interjected. As an alternative to the reimbursement of the paid levy, all growers should be given Mr. F. P. MOORE: The Minister said that credits. That would cover token payments the Federal Minister for Primary Industry is until they could establish a credit balance. a fine and intelligent man. Let me say that I am afraid that the markets in North Jim Blake is streets ahead of the State Queensland will be flooded by the southern Minister. marketing authorities, especially in the light of an article that appeared in "The Courier­ Mr. CASEY (Mackay) (2.47 p.m.): In the Mail" of 26 February 1972-a year ago­ main, I support many of the points raised reading, "79,000,000 eggs should be by the honourable member for Mourilyan dumped, farmers are told." It seems that there are moves to try to utilise these eggs. regarding the peculiar problems associated lt should be remembered that the North with the egg producing or poultry industry Queensland market could be flooded quite in Queensland. I believe that all honourable easily, with the result that our producers members and all producers are happy to see could be put out of the industry. a demand-supply management scheme being introduced as a general principle. I could name one producer in the Innisfail area who was destroyed by the Country Party I listened with interest to the Minister's because it refused to come to his rescue with introduction. He mentioned the variation of a loan. He approached his own bank but 15 per cent, the creation of a quota com­ could not get a loan to pay the levies. As a mittee, provision for an appeals tribunal and result, he has his back to the wall. the annual review, which all sound all right initially. I also go along, temporarily, with In Far North Queensland the Australian the minimum figure of 5,000 birds, although Labor Party holds four out of five seats. I do not think the Minister spelt out quite 1 recall the time when the Labor Party clearly, in introducing the Bill, that every represented all these country areas in North producer throughout Queensland will as a Queensland, and the monetary position was matter of preference be given the right buoyant and prices were stabilised. I believe to bring his flock up to that number. Perhaps that the Government is not looking after he will clarify that point. While he stated North Queensland because the A.L.P. holds that there would be a minimum quota, he did not give this information. four out of the five seats there. Recently I heard a Minister interject, "What happened I did not hear the Minister refer to the in 1956?" He should ask the cane farmers cut-off date for quotas under this Bill. I whether they were better off in 1956 than certainly hope that this is stipulated and they are now. that there can be no trading in quotas up Hen Quotas Bill [20 MARCH 1973] Hen Quotas Bill 3071 to a forward date. I hope it is the date for the production of quality eggs have initially promulgated and acceptable to the to be bought in bags, whereas southern producers, namely, 30 June 1971. producers can buy in bulk and land the Mr. Suilivan: I mentioned in my opening product on their farms at cheaper rates. remarks that that would be the date. In addition to being able to buy quality Mr. CASEY: When I asked if the Minister meals cheaper, and in bulk, South Queens­ had mentioned the date, he did not indicate land producers have access to cheap over­ that he had. That is why I continued in quota grains close to their farms, and in that vein. I was not sure whether the the south-eastern corner of Queensland there Minister had said it or not. I concur in that are the automated cage-laying plants that date. are called poultry farms today. In the main, Whether by arrangement or accident, it most of these have been sponsored by appears that the quotas set for the States investors outside the industry who have been virtually parallel the populations of the looking for primary producers' income-tax States. Although I am not an expert concessions-in fact, that is how many of mathematician, the figures appear to me the major producers in South-east Queens­ to be reasonably close to such a formula. land came into the industry-and I think If such a method of setting quotas has that the proposed Bill should distinguish been used, that is fair enough, because the hetween egg producers and tax evaders. I do figures would also relate to consumption in not think one could give any more apt the States. However, another point that description of them. I did not hear mentioned, and which con­ cerns all producers in North Queensland Mr. Lee: That is not the right description. and Central Queensland, is that if such a formula is to be used in setting quotas, Mr. CASEY: It certainly is very apt; it there should be such proportionate quotas certainly applies to them. If they had not within the State, too. It has been pointed wanted to evade tax through the special con­ out that North Queensland and Central cessions available to primary producers, they Queensland producer-s have problems peculiar would not have entered the industry. to their own areas. As the honourable member for Mourilyan said, producers in Mr. Lee: It is within the law. North Queensland have been forced out of the industry. A similar situation applies Mr. CASEY: A tax evader is a tax evader, in Central Queensland. whether he does it inside or outside the law. For this reason, I support the estab­ I would be the first to admit that I am lishment of an appeals tribunal, and I think not an expert on the poultry industry, but we should ensure that it is conducted by I am a consumer of eggs, as is the honour­ a magistrate who is properly qualified, not able member for Y eronga, and I feel that just by any barrister who may have friends one of the main aims of the introduction in the industry, because it is mainly the in Australia of a quota system should be professional type of person in the com­ to enable consumers to receive daily eggs munity who seeks to take advantage of the of farm-fresh quality from their own areas. tax concessions. One finds, particularly in They will not be able to receive such a the south-east corner, wealthy people with product if eggs are to be transported through­ finance available that is not available to out the length and breadth of the State, North Queensland producers, and they have and if eggs produced in Southern Queensland been the ones who have been able to pur­ are to be allowed to flood the northern chase the cage-type egg-laying plants. market at the expense of North Queensland and Central Queensland producers. This Let me turn now to the quota committee applies equally in all other States, but no itself. The Minister has said that it will other State has the problems that are, comprise the Director of Marketing and four because of the distribution of population, producers. Does the Bill make special pro­ peculiar to North Queensland and Central vision for representation of the Central Queensland producers. Queensland Egg Marketing Board or the North Queensland Poultry Farmers' Associa­ In the first place, some aspects of the tion? I very much doubt it, in spite of their Government's administration have helped to protestations and the manner in which those produce problems for the growers. I am organisations have put their case forward. glad to see that the former Minister for After all, producers are not asking any Transport, now the Minister for Justice, is more than to be able to produce eggs in in the Chamber, because iniquitous rail their own areas for the people who live in freights under his administration were one those areas. Because of the drop-off in the of the problems that forced many North industry in recent years, and because some Queenslanders out of the industry. North have been squeezed out by southern pro­ Queensland producers are forced to pay ducers, those still in it can produce only 20 exorbitant freight rates to land wheat and to 25 per cent of the market requirements other grains on their farms. In addition, in their own areas. because North Queensland poultry farmers are, in the main, smaller producers, mo~t Mr. Jens~n: The people there have to eat of the highly nutritious protein meals required stale eggs brought from Brisbane. 3072 Hen Quotas Bill [20 MARCH 1973] Hen Quotas Bill

Mr. CASEY: That is correct. From the Mr. BALDWIN (Redlands) (3.1 p.m.): marketing point of view, the consumer is the I feel that I would be slightly remiss if I one to whom consideration must be given, did not say something about what was once a and it should be foremost in our minds that large and flourishing industry engaged in by the people of North Queensland and Central many people in the Redlands electorate and Queensland should have fresh eggs on their in the old Logan electorate, which I had the table. privilege of representing in this Chamber. Another matter on which I shall touch What I have been able to learn about egg briefly is the C.E.M.A. levy. As all honour­ production in the Redlands electorate and in able members know, the levy was introduced surrounding areas of the metropolis of originally because of the border-hopping that Brisbane, and the information given to me by went on between some of the southern States, honourable members on this side who have and also between South Queensland and New egg production in their electorates, add up to South Wales. Under the C.E.M.A. set-up, a very sorry picture for egg producers and North Queensland producers were penalised. egg consumers in this State, particularly those They were never a party to or involved in in the south-eastern egg-marketing region. I the border-hopping. noted particularly what was said by the two northern members who have spoken on this I believe that the Bill should clearly and very important Bill, and how it could further positively lay down regional quotas and set affect egg production in their areas. I do not a basis on which they could be fixed by know that I will have time to deal with their the quota committee. The quotas should be comments. set to allow Central Queensland and North It is interesting to note, from figures I have Queensland producers to expand their pro­ been able to collate from the egg-marketing duction in the future to meet the local bulletin put out by one of the organisations, demand. The producers do not ask for that at one stage in the South Queensla:nd anything more than that. They do not ask Egg Marketing Board area last year the num­ to be allowed to export from their own areas ber of persons employed by the board, for the to other parts of the State or to countries first time in history, surpassed the number of overseas. They ask to be allowed to increase those registered as being engaged in the pro­ their production in a fair manner, under duction of eggs. That is a very significant the auspices of the Bill, to the stage when point when we consider the ramifications of they can produce sufficient eggs for their the Bill and the information given in this own areas, and the consumers in those Chamber by other honourable members. I areas are entitled to have fresh eggs. do not think that we can solve any problem In my opinion, this could be done quite by looking at it from the inside, with an easily under the format of the Bill, and I introverted set of rules, attitudes, laws, regu­ ask that a provision along these lines be lations and new legislation. I realise that included, either now or at the Committee anything I might propose in this Chamber stage, to allow Central and North Queens­ would be 180 degrees out of phase with what land producers to keep flocks at their exist­ the Minister and his Government would pro­ ing levels and so ensure that there will not pose as a solution to the problem of over­ be any cut-back. It would be rather ridicul­ production. ous to have a percentage cut-back throughout I have mentioned in this Chamber on the State, with Central and North Queens­ more occasions than I care to remember land producers having to reduce their flocks, what goes to balance the ever-decreasing per­ because this would mean that even more head consumption of our own healthy, eggs would have to be introduced initially natural, primary products from vegetables from the South-east Queensland area. That through to eggs, meat and fruit. I refer would be totally wrong and unfair, both to synthetics of all kinds, vitamised, con­ in concept and in detail. Those growers cocted and dished out, and highly advertised should be allowed to keep their flock num­ and highly profitable to firms and their con­ bers at their present level. That is the first nections, which are mostly foreign controlled and foremost aspect that should be taken and from which we derive no profit at all. into consideration. On the contrary, we lose a fantastic annual amount in royalties and profit margins. I think there should be a differentiation Here again we are confronted with between commercial producers and those another quota Bill. If we look at the who are in the industry only as a means of problem presented by the Minister and obtaining taxation concessions by virtue of elucidated by our shadow minister in reply, being primary producers. I believe that com­ as I am sure all honourable members mercial producers in North Queensland and have, we cannot help but admit that Central Queensland should be granted the the only solution to the problem would right in future allocation of quotas to bring be to introduce quotas. Of course, we their respective areas up to self-sufficiency in have the other associated factors of popula­ egg production to meet local consumer tion increase, consumption per head. and, markets. The producers in North Queensland most importantly of all, the general know­ and Central Queensland ask for no more than ledge given to us by dieticians and doctors, that. I believe that that is their right and who should know that the poor, simnle, entitlement as Queensland primary producers. humble and once-plentiful egg on weight has Hen Quotas Bill [20 MARCH 1973] Hen Quotas Bill 3073 the highest protein of any substance in our Anyone who has a knowledge of the egg diet list, and is obtainable at the cheapest industry is aware of the problems that con­ rate. front it. This legislation is designed to over­ come those problems. The honourable mem­ Mr. IJee: And the highest cholesterol ber for Fassifern has claimed that over a content. period of four to five years egg production Mr. BALDWIN: Digressing on that point has increased by more than 50 per cent. Such in case it mis,leads other honourable mem­ a high increase in egg production could be bers, cholesterol build-up has been found by used as justification for the introduction of researchers to be a danger only when the this Bill. However, the Government must not ingestion of it occurs in an idle, over-drinking lose sight of the needs of the people, who society, so I can understand the honourable have been deprived of other forms of protein member's great concern on the cholesterol by the export of certain food commodities to question. other countries. Fortunately, the community still has the egg, and therefore should be I add to that particular instance and say turning to it more than it is at present to in all sincerity that it is of concern to overcome our nation's high protein deficiency. societies which have changed their mode of living by the use of the vehicle, with exercise Mr. Porter: Are you suggesting that the confined to the odd game ending in the deficiency occurs because the people cannot !9th hole, or perhaps no game at all. I get proteins? am not under-estimating it; it is a problem, but it is outside what we are considering Mr. BALDWIN: I could not hear the hon­ today. ourable member for Toowong. If he would open his mouth a bit wider, I might hear his On these grounds, that the egg is the interjection. highest source of protein, and the cheapest Mr. Porter: I asked you whether you on weight, we are now getting together believed that the deficiency you mentioned and saying that it is over-produced and that arose because people could not get the neces­ the only way to safeguard its future produc­ sary proteins, or do you not believe that it tion is to bring in quotas and put up the price. No-one can tell me-least of all may be the result of an error in diet? In the Minister-in the light of what has hap­ other words, what you regard as a deficiency pened in the last five months that the price might be the result of lack of knowledge. will not go up more than would have been Mr. BALDWIN: The honourable member the case if this quota system had not been for Toowong is the greatest carter of red introduced. The Minister knows as well as herrings I have ever come across in my I do that this is a numbers game. We life. If I were to answer his interjection I come in here in parties. Our party thinks would not have any time left in which to about these things and the Government parties complete my speech. He introduced that do likewise. Finally, we vote on the issue, and, the Government having the numbers, matter merely to prevent me from saying it will win the game. But this must not what I want to say. However, I am sure preclude any sincere member on this side that in the near future I will be given the from rising and saying what he knows of opportunity of answering his question, which the history and experience following the intro­ is more a matter for education. duction of quotas and what has happened I was saying that the Government, instead as a result-to industries, producers and of limiting egg production, should be striving consumers. I do not think that we can solve to increase it, especially in the light of the Pr

The Minister said that quotas will be based benefits or disadvantages since then. When on the 1970-71 season and that the Bill boards were introduced at that time, they provides for a 15 per cent margin of over­ were necessary and they were accepted by production. Is any provision being made the producers, by and large. They included for a margin for under-production caused the C.O.D., the Onion Marketing Board, the by heatwaves and cold spells that we experi­ Egg Marketing Board and the Milk Board. ence because of the peculiar Australian topo­ graphy that allows cold fronts to move (Time expired.) unchecked across Australia, which is a unique happening in continents of similar size in Hon. V. B. SULLIVAN (Condamine­ similar latitudes? We all know that we even Minister for Primary Industries) (3.21 p.m.), get frosts in Townsville. in reply: Speakers on both sides of the If limitations are being provided for on Chamber have indicated that the measure paper, will they be available in fact? Has is acceptable. I do not propose at this the Egg Marketing Board storage facilities stage to deal in detail with the queries for this 15 per cent margin? Is there a that have been raised. When I introduce 15 per cent intake capacity to cater for times the second reading of the Bill, I shall point of shortage? Will we be able to import eg<,, out that the matters that were raised are to make up shortfalls in production, or does covered by the Bill. the Government hope to be able to carry a sufficient stock to overcome the effect of The honourable member for Isis again heatwaves and cold spells? In the recent adopted a very sensible approach in his heatwave thousands of laying hens died, but, reception of the measure. When we put a at that time, it was announced by the chair­ quota on a production, there is a need for man of the board, Mr. Dowling, that sufficient it. The production of eggs must be related reserves were on hand to carry us over till to supply and demand, as was the case production picked up. I recall that he with the Rice Industry Stabilization Bill. referred to a figure of about 250,000 dozen Problems have existed for many years in eggs. Obviously that figure does not represent the egg industry, and the people engaged in 15 per cent of production over a week or that industry have been concerned. The 10 days during which a cold spell could cut point of the matter is that the Bill has production. It might not even equal the the blessing of the people in the industry. difference between production and demand. Honourable members referred to the prob­ I am only posing these questions so that lems confronting farmers in Central Queens­ honourable members may consider them. land and North Queensland. These things They should not be overlooked because they have been taken into account. I have had are part of the problem. wide discussions with those farmers, and I The honourable member for Warrego also can assure honourable members that the referred to the shortcomings and dangers matters exercising their minds are taken inherent in a quota system. Years ago, care of in the Bill. before monopoly interests in marketing, transport, fowl feed, etc. got their hold on One matter to which I shall not refer in the industry-this would be back in the early my second-reading speech-and r feel I thirties-a producer could bank on a net have a responsibility to refer to it-is the profit margin of 10s. a week per hundred blatant criticism by the honourable member birds kept. I will not say "dollar" because for Warrego of the Government's policy on a dollar is so unreal in terms of buyin[' primary industry. Apparently he has taken power that it would be ridiculous to refer upon himself the role of being the most to it. I know that to be so because J knowledgeable Opposition member on any worked in the poultry industry in the early primary industry. He arrives in the Chamber 1930's not long after the board was estab­ with a brief, which he reads word for lished. Farmers were still speaking about word. Apparently not one word of his own the effects of the introduction of the board. thoughts appears in it. I know that it reads Their comments ranged from "very good" well in the local newspaper, but I point to "very bad". Irrespective of what they said out to him that many people in the West, about it, they could count on making 10s. including those in his electorate-of course, per 100 birds kept. Most producers ha 1 they ari in the minority-are very grateful from 800 to 3,000 birds in what was then for the assistance given by this Government called The Blunder area. In terms of money to various primary industries over the recent value, 10s. per 100 to a farmer with 800 difficult years. They are amazed that their birds meant a return of £4 a week, which elected representative never utters one word was 5s. over the basic wage at that time. of appreciation to the Government on their That was a gooct income when combined behalf. with his other income. Of course, he would be paving rates and would probablv It is wearing a bit thin to hear the same be paying off his farm. But he was still honourable member being continually critical showing a profit. of the Government. I have not yet heard Obviously something has gone wrong in him raise his voice in criticism of the policies the meantime, perhaps in the intent of the adopted by the Federal Labor Government, board. Quite often what Labor did in and there are many people in his electorate earlier years is thrown at us, and the claim who are waiting for him to come out in is made that we <:re suffering either the their defence. I issue that as a word of Meat Industry Act [20 MARCH 1973) Amendment Bill 3075 warning. He has a shadow Minister for interest, have consistently brought forward Primary Industries (Mr. Blake), who is trying recommendations and made decisions which to do something for these people. had regard for the industry as a whole. The honourable member for Redlands said Mr. Sherrington: We know all that. Why he hopes that the Government will always don't you get onto something new? listen to opinions expressed by Opposition members. I give the Opposition my assurance Mr. SULLIVAN: Some people think they that their opinions will be considered. How­ know everything, but I am .sure there are ever, the attitude of the honourable member others who are willing to sit and listen and for Warrego wears a little thin. I hope learn. If the honourable member does not I can get over to him the message that there regard himself as coming within that category, are members on his side of the Chamber perhaps he should go outside and have a who are, I believe, a little more gracious sleep. and fair, and I am more likely to take After seven years' experience, the need for notice of them than of him. Nevertheless, no doubt he will come in with his brief certain alterations in the legislation has on the next three Bills, and we will have become evident. The first is that if the to suffer him for the allotted 20 minutes. authority is to continue to be an effective It does not worry me greatly; I am merely body, it should have a more active part in trying to give him a word of advice. licensing and registration, and the Bill now before the Chamber contemplates the transfer Motion (Mr. Su!livan) agreed to. of the licensing of abattoirs, slaughterhouses, Resolution reported. poultry slaughterhouses, meat markets and knackers' yards to the authority but with the FIRST READING protection afforded to any applicant of a right Bill presented and, on motion of Mr. of appeal to a District Court against a Sullivan, read a first time. decision of the authority. It has been evident, too, that there ·is a practical limit to the erection of district MEAT INDUSTRY ACT AMENDMENT service abattoirs as a means of extending BILL the benefits of centralised slaughtering. For this reason, the Bill contemplates the establish­ INITIATION IN COMMITTEE ment of regional meat area·s, in which the (The Chairman of Committees, Mr. Lickiss, authority may either provide central facilities Mt. Coot-tha, in the chair) which may be operated under agreement by local slaughterers or enter into an agreement Hon. V. B. SULLIVAN (Condamine with local slaughter.ers who may themselves -Minister for Primary Industries) (3.28 p.m.): be prepared to provide and operate their own I move- facility. "That a Bill be introduced to amend the Meat Industry Act 1965-1969 in certain In terms of distinction, the main difference particulars." between an abattoir area as in the existing Most honourable members in this Chamber Act and a regional meat area is that the will recall that in 1965, following the report e.stabJ.ishment of a board for the area is of the Committee of Inquiry into the Live­ obviated and local slaughterers will be stock and Meat Industry, the Government enabled to deal directly with the authority. introduced legislation under the title of the The authority will, itself, be given statutory Meat Industry Act of 1965. This Act repealed powers to borrow to enable it to carry this a number of very old Acts. but, in particular, exercise through. Such powers will be the it replaced previous legislation contained in same as those presently exercised by abattoir the Slaughtering Acts and the Abattoirs Acts. boards. The single Meat Industry Act was directed In a somewhat parallel .situation, the Bill towards the protection, preservation anJ provides for the authority to be able to enter expansion of the meat industry in Queensland into an agre.ement with a private abattoir in the public interest, and an authority was to provide slaughtering facilities for local established-namely, the Queensland Meat butchers in an abattoir area. This will serve Industry Authority-which was given the a situation which requires the negotiation task of planning the orderly development of of an agreement akin to that presently operat­ abattoir facilities throughout the State ing in the Rockhampton District Abattoir with a view to ensuring an adequate level of Area. competition within the industry and to improving the standard of hygiene in the One of the im)Xlrtant-some say the most treatment of stock and meat intended for important--duties and functions imposed on human consumption. The Q.M.I.A., as it the authority in the 1965 Act related to the has come to be called, has done an excellent task of freeing up trade in meat in abattoir and effective job since its inception. and. I areas, regard being had to the security of feel, has exercised the powers granted to it the public investment in abattoir facilities in with great common sense and discretion. the abattoir area concerned. For this purpose, Much credit must go to Mr. J. A. Barton, the authority was given )Xlwer to grant the chairman, and members of the authoritv approval to private abattoirs meeting pre­ who, despite the many matters of sectional scribed hygiene standards to supply meat into 3076 Meat Industry Act (20 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill

such areas. Experience has shown the de·sir­ is logical to place on the public or district ability for the authority to be able to grant abattoir the burden of paying compensation such approvals, but with limitations as in respect of slaughterhouses which may regards duration or to specific quantities or close. The Bill accordingly makes provisions categories of meat, and the Bill provides for to overcome both these defects, and also conditions to be attached to approvals if makes the authority responsible for the pay­ the authority so deems it necessary. ment of compensation. In a similar context, the existing legislation Since the authority was appointed, its chair­ empowers the Minister to consent to the man and members have visited wide areas of introduction of meat into any abattoir area. the State; they have inspected slaughter­ This provision was inserted in the Act to houses from Cairns to Coolangatta; and they care for the da,y-to-day emergencies in have built up a deep knowledge and apprecia­ relation to the short supply of meat in such tion of the problems and needs of the areas. industry. The Minister has power to delegate such The proposed Bill is, I believe, a further authority, and for some years past this power step forward in the orderly provision of has been exercised by the chairman of the adequate slaughtering facilities, the develop­ authority under delegation with respect to ment of competitive trade in declared areas, single consignments and short-term situations. and the improvement of hygiene standards in It is proposed in the Bill to impose this the meat industry. function on the authority, but with a right I commend the Bill to the Committee. of appeal to the Minister in the case of a refusal. Mr. BLAKE (Isis) (3.36 p.m.): From the Minister's outline, it would seem that the Bill The Bill also contains a number of minor provides an additional alternative in the amendments, which in the main are scheduled slaughtering of meat. Previously, we had the and relate to the introduction in the Bill of avenues of the slaughterhouse and the the term "knackers' yards", as distinct from abattoir. The Bill opens up a third avenue, a boiling-down works, and also the concept that is, a regional meat area in which of regional meat areas. butchers can combine to provide killing At the time that the Mackay District facilities of the required standard or, on the Abattoir was sold, the existing Act was silent other hand, these facilities can be provided as to the means of disposal in the particular by the Queensland Meat Industry Authority circumstances obtaining. Provision has been and leased back to the people concerned. made in the Bill both for ratification of the Superficially, this is a step in the right action then taken and also to permit the direction. However, it raises a few queries in disposal of a public abattoir to private our minds because of our limited knowledge interests as well as to another public abattoir of the detail of the Bill. I can appreciate that board. there is a wish to upgrade the standards of Provision has been made in the Bill for the hygiene in the killing of meat that is intended authority as a statutory corporation to oper­ mainly for human consumption, and also ate its own banking account. Its funds are that there is a desire to retain a spirit of presently held in the Treasury. competition within the meat industry. I do not need to elaborate on the desirability of It is of interest to note that other than for an element of competition among the large an establishment grant of $10,000 in 1965, abattoirs. the operations of the authority have been financed by fees and industry contributions. I repeat that superficially the Bill is a On the financial side also, the question of step in the right direction, but it does raise what to do with unclaimed moneys in the certain questions. If the intention is, as hands of abattoir boards arises from time to I hope it is, to maintain or even stimulate time. The Bill provides for such moneys to competition within the meat industry and to be transferred after three years to the funds lift standards of hygiene to a better and of a board or the authority, as the case may more desirable level, well and good; but be, but preserves the right of the owner to there is a danger that while we a:·e doing claim such moneys at any future time. this we might become over-zealous in prac­ tising it and defeat the very purpose of The provisions of the present legislation in competition within the industry. I know respect to compensation upon closure of a that much thought has been given to, and slaughterhouse have been found defective on deep concern felt about, centralising meat­ two counts by reason of its wording, rather killing works in one area. We co 1ld talk than its intent. Firstly, compensation could for hours and cover ground that h · s been not be paid in any case where a slaughter­ covered many times about the desi"ability house was closed either compulsorily or by of centralised killing works, but the point of agreement as a result of an abattoir area concern to m~ny people is whether t~e imple­ being extended. Secondly, compensation mentation of this p ·ovision will be Pnder­ could not be paid to a slaughterhouse m1ner taken in such a way as to drain off from who normally supplies into an area but whose country areas the indcpenJent da··g'lt~rmen slaughtnhouse is situated outs'de the boun­ and force on them nn-eason2b'y h'gh stan­ dary of t}le area. Also, as abattoir areas are dqrds of hyg'ene which demcmd un:·easonably now open to competitive trading, it no longer high capital inve:tment. Meat Industry Act (20 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill 3077

I think that hygiene can be considered as not think anyone would claim that, instead something relative, because when we speak of examining the Bill closely from that point about Commonwealth export standards we of view, we should merely accept it at face have to consider not only the hygiene value. demands of the countries to which we As to standards of hygiene and the health export but also the fact that the product of the community, I do not know of any involved is subject to much more difficult cases of either serious illness or death caused storage conditions than apply to the average by a low standard of hygiene in slaughter­ abattoir or slaughterhouse. In other words, yards. I contend that the consumer is we cannot argue against the demands of faced with very little danger from the our customers overseas and their standards standard of hygiene that is presently of hygiene, particularly when we realise maintained in decentralised slaughter-yards. that the meat that is being produced for The proof of the pudding is in the eating. I export could very often be held for a period have no doubt that if we were to impose of six months before it reaches the con­ export standards of hygiene on all killing sumer's table. works, no-one would complain that those Although I will not put the onus of standards were unnecessarily high. As I have -;uspicion on other people, I suspect that said, nothing but the best is good enough for there are times when the matter of hygiene us. An examination of the history of standards is invoked to suit the political or slaughter-yards will reveal that there is domestic policies of the importing country. virtually no lack of a high standard of Of course, I still have to admit that the hygiene. customer is always right, and that we -;hould use every endeavour to reach the Without having seen the Bill I would not highest of world standards not only to attempt to belittle its objectives. In fact, satisfy our present customers but also as from what I have heard they appear to be an incentive to extend our meat trade into admirable ones based on a sound premise. other desirable markets. In some smaller areas throughout the State However, a high standard of hygiene at a consumer can nominate the particular beast the killing point is probably not necessary that he wishes to be slaughtered for the when the meat is intended for local con­ supply of his meat. I am in the fortunate sumption. Only a very brief period would position of knowing how soon after certain then elapse between the local butcher or beasts pass through the slaughter-yards the slaughterhouse killing a beast and the meat meat from them will be on the butchers' finding its way onto the consumer's table. block. Even in a very small community, the This is not an attempt on my part to bidding at slaughter-yards and the competition produce any argument that we should lower in which butchers engage is of benefit to the our standards of hygiene. In fact, I have whole of the meat industry. I am belabour­ heard it said that what is good enough for ing the point that on the Minister's introduc­ the Americans, or any other customer is tion of the Bill, there is no guarantee that good enough for Australians. In other unnecessarily high standards will not be words, we must have the highest possible invoked. I must be fair and say that, in the standard of hygiene for the local con­ past, Queensland Meat Industry Authority sumer, the argument advanced being that officers have carried out their work in such nothing but the best is good enough for a way as to leave very little room for us. criticism. They have adopted admirable I suppose this would be quite a good common-sense standards. I hope that this argument if the conditions of consumption policy is followed in the future. of locally killed meat by the local population The Minister said that the Meat Industry were on a par with those overseas, but Act of 1965 repealed a number of very my point is that, from the mechanical­ old Acts. We must continue to improve fixtme point of view, we could have a the legislation to keep pace with the health much lower standard of hygiene in a and distribution needs of the community. slaughter-yard killing meat for local con­ To a very large degree this need will be met sumption than in one killing meat for the without the further centralising of killing export market, where a much longer time facilities. elapses before the product reaches the It is understandable that the meat industry consumer's table. should wish to have a little more control We are continually contending that we over its own affairs. It is also reasonable must decentralise. To a great extent rural that it should wish to issue licences for communities are dependent upon one slaughterhouses and abattoirs under the juris­ another, and the fear has been expressed­ diction of the Meat Industry Authority. [ see the dangers in the Minister's outline Formerly it was a matter for the local auth­ of this Bill-that such high standards could ority and, I believe, the meat inspector in be imposed as to wipe out local slaughter­ the area to suggest whether or not the local yards, with the result that there will be a magistrate should approve the renewal or displacement of rural personnel. I admit extension of a licence. As it is intended that this matter has been looked at adminis­ to bring this power under the one authority, tratively from the days of antiquated naturally it is only right that there should 5laughtering regulations; nevertheless, I do be a right of appeal if someone believes 3078 Meat Industry Act (20 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill he has been wronged by a certain decision. them. The Minister, and through hil!l the Further, when the extension of an abattoir Government, must always have a say m the district or any other legislative action dis­ administration of policy. franchises a slaughterhouse, it is only right This legislation should provide, firstly, a that provision should be made for the pay­ hi<>h set of standards that is acceptable to the ment of some compensation. m~rket. I noted with interest the remarks of The minor amendments announced by the the honourable member for Isis in this Minister relate to meat for non-human con­ regard. A good deal of what he said is true. sumption. I refer now to knackeries, Secondly, this legislation should be-an~ I boiling-down works, and so on. I do not believe it is-designed to give the authonty think we need to pay so much attention to realistic guide-lines, because without them the these provisions as to those that relate to authority cannot do its work the way we meat for human consumption. want it to be done. It provides new thoughts Our disquiet about how the proposed Bill and guide-lines that make the final .P~actical -when, and if, it becomes law-could be application of the Act far more realistic than administered, and whether it will be used it has been to date. The purpose of the to enforce the centralisation of abattoirs, legislation is to protect all sections of the does not permit us to say at present that industry from the producer to the consumer. we will accept it. When we examine it in I shall ~laborate on that point as I proceed. detail we will be better able to come to a But the protection has to be realistic, not decision on this point. I see nothing sinister arbitrary or bureaucratic, and it has to be for in the Bill as portrayed by the Minister, the benefit of both the producer and the but it could well raise suspicion in some consumer. sections of the meat industry, such as the The Meat Industry Authority has the small operators and those who are providing responsibility of protectin~. the industry'5 a lot of worth-while competition in the markets and the acceptability of the pro­ industry. duct in 'various markets depends largely upon The Opposition will wait until it examines the standard of the facilities used within the the provisions of the Bill in detail before industry. Arbitrary, theoretical conditions deciding on its course of action. laid down by overseas buyers are causmg undue expense and confusion in many Mr. CORY (Warwick) (3.55 p.m.): This quarters. I agree that the buJ:ers have the Bill is very important to all sections of the right to prescribe these conditwns, bu~ I community because it is designed to over­ believe that many of them are theoret;cal come many far-reaching problems. I con­ rather than practical. gratulate the Minister and the Queensland As these conditions have been demanded Meat Industry Authority on their wisdom in they have to be met by the killing works; framing a Bill such as this, based on experi­ but to my way of thinking theJ:: a_re causn;g ence gained since the Act was introduced in unnecessary expense and contusiOn. No 1965. Various problems have arisen in the operator knows the co~ditions that will be administration of the authority, and I believe imposed on his operatiOns from week to that this Bill is a genuine attempt to overcome week or month to month, and it is difficult many of them. I hope it will lead to a more to be involved in a fairly lengthy process, as flexible administration of the industry. meat processing is, if one does not know The future success of these proposals and, what is and what is not acceptable. The of course, the amended Act, will depend on industry is stuck with certain standard> for their administration. While we have the the production of meat for export, but I do present Minister and the present authority, not want to see theoretical conditions imposed we do not have much to fear in that regard. on the production of m~~t for lo~al con­ Nevertheless, the administration of the day sumption. If such cond1t10ns are Imposed will, or could, play a very important part in it will amount to a tax, for wh1ch there !S no basis. on the industry. I hope that the whether the Act is good or bad. Bill will overcome many of the oroblems The best and most clear-cut way of licens­ caused by the theoretical approa~h. to !he ing killing facilities is to give this responsi­ matter and will set out more reahst1c gmde bility to the Meat Industry Authority, with lines than were contained in the original the right of appeal to a court. It will cer­ legislation. tainly lead to greater equality of standards I think that a little can be learnt from in the various killing facilities. the present situation in New South Wales. One of the most important benefits of the There is similarity between the meat Bill will be the more direct contact that will authorities in Queensland and in New South result between those involved in the slaughter­ Wales, and I think that the Bill will over­ ing section of the meat industry and the come some of the problems that seem to be authority itself. This has been lacking in the experienced at present in New South Wales. past, with not enough contact and oppor­ Production of meat of the best quality tunity for discussing the various problems and at the same time, retention of competi­ that arise. tion' for the stock that provides the meat Certain responsibilities are being handed is what is being sought, and I think that this over to the authority, but there is a right of legislation should assist to bring this about. appeal to the Minister in regard to most of Many things have a bearing on the quality Meat Industry Act [20 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill 3079 of the product that finally finds its way onto It certainly is necessary to maintain stand­ the plates of the consumers. Hygiene, if I ards, and I do not think that the sta.ndards may use that word fairly broadly, is only set by the department and the authonty are part of the story. Treatment, before and unreasonable. However, some of the stand­ after slaughter, has an important bearing on ards are applied in an unreasonable way. the quality and bloom of the finished article. The liaison between the authority and the At the same time, I should not like to see butchers leaves a lot to be desired. Most any lessening of competition at saleyards. small operators are willing to spend money There must be a system that allows for the and effect improvements, but they would like operation of small as well as large operators. a little bit of advice as to what would be otherwise there will be a lessening of com­ acceptable to the authority. In fact, there petition to purchase stock. That, in itself. seems to be a vacuum in this area-a com­ would be a retrograde step. What is needed plete lack of liaison between those operating is a system that will allow the small operator slaughtering facilities and the authority. to continue to play his part in the industry. as he is doing at present. The setting up of regional meat areas appears to provide a lot of flexibility and The handling of meat after slaughtering to bring the administration and the individual is obviously an important factor. The owner in the trade closer together. I have no of an enterprise who is reasonably close to doubt that a large number of the problems its operations is far more likely to have that have arisen in recent years have been a beneficial effect on those operations than the result of the failure to bring the two is an owner who is remote from them. It is quite clear, therefore, that the smaller sections together. operator has the ability to provide the little The Bill will provide a more realistic bit extra that the big operator cannot pro­ approach for the correction of various dif­ vide. Many small operators who conduct ficulties within the industry. It should go their operations with a small staff take a long way towards overcoming the present a pride in their work and provide services apprehension and confusion of many who that have an effect on the quality of their are operating on the local market. Many product, and it is quite obvious that the desirable improvements have not been carried big operators cannot even consider things out purely because no information could be such as that. given to operators as to what type of Let me take as an example the packing improvements would be acceptable. of bodies in a chiller. A small butcher is The Queensland Meat Industry Authority very careful to see that the bodies are should come up with more definite plans not packed too closely, which causes burning and recommendations as to what would and loss of bloom. Wherever possible, he be acceptable for the type of throughput ensures that there is a small space between envisaged by those in the industry. The the bodies and that the bloom is preserved. intention of the Government should always That is one of the personal services that be made clear. Obviously, under the terms the small operator can provide, and I do not of this Bill, this can only be done through wish to see a system under which small the authority. If we can have close co-opera­ operators are absorbed into a major com­ tion and liaison between the industry on the bine and such personal services are no longer one hand, and the Quensland Meat Industry possible. Authority and the Government on the other, First-quality meat is produced in Aus­ the problems mentioned by the honourable tralia, particularly in Queensland-! do not member for Isis and me can be easily and think anyone would deny that-and that amicably overcome. quality should not be destroyed before the Some of the applications under the former meat is presented to the public. After all, Act were not acceptable because what was the consumer has the right to have a critical proposed was basically not practicable. Here look at the product that is presented to him. again we are trying to provide a good-quality If the product is of top quality when it article at a reasonable price. is presented for sale, only its treatment thereafter can spoil it before it gets to Mr. Bromley: Meat prices aren't reason­ the consumer's table. Unfortunately, that able these days. happens rather frequently. The proposed Bill appears to write a Mr. CORY: Without competition, they change of policy into the Act-I do not could be much higher. Once killing facili­ mean that it is being done by the Minister ties are restricted to large operators, the or the authority-because it indicates an price of meat must increase. At the same intention to continue in operation well-main­ time, the quality of the article would fall. tained slaughterhouses in Queensland. In Mr. Bromley: Will this Bill reduce the effect, it accepts the important part that cost of killing? these places play in keeping down the price to the consumer. Quite apart from the part Mr. CORY: It will not reduce the cost that such slaughterhouses play in promoting of killing, but it may prevent an increase. greater competition for livestock in certain areas, they clso play a part in controlling Mr. Bromley: It will decentralise the the price of meat on the consumer's table. industry to some extent? 3080 Meat Industry Act [20 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill

Mr. CORY: It allows flexibility in terms industry and the farmer. But how often have of the type of conditions in a particular the experts been proved wrong? Although area, something which the former Act did the meat industry has climbed to production not spell out. I do not believe that we heights never before witnessed in Australia, want an expansion of our abattoir areas. with these so-called experts continually pre­ Abattoirs have been set up in areas of dicting an assured market for years to come, large population for various obvious reasons. will they be again proved wrong? Today I do not intend to go into the pros and with almost 30,000,000 cattle, Australia is cons of the public-abattoir system, but where being urged to produce even greater cattle areas are already provided for by public numbers. Though we woo overseas markets abattoirs, with the introduction of this type in our drive to promote our goods, we have of amendment I do not believe the expansion to do everything possible to expand the con­ of the system is necessary. We have the sumption of meat within Australia. Always, opportunity through the Bill to provide good and at all costs, we must save the meat killing facilities without the expansion of industry from the fate and pitfalls we exper­ any existing abattoir areas. The Bill pro­ ienced with our wool, wheat and dairy vides for the upgrading of smaller killing products. facilities, which is something that the former Australia must never be complacent and Act did not cover. assume that, as the world's most prolific The over-centralising of killing creates a exporter of meat, it will remain without world false cost structure, which is to the detri­ competition. For a start, Brazil emerges as ment of the industry right through from a certain threat. It is a territory far larger the producer to the consumer. Obviously than Australia with cheap labour costs and the costs of operation have to be paid for, potentially ripe grazing lands crying out for and, if those costs are increased, both pro­ development. In Brazil huge amounts of ducer and consumer have to pay for them. investment money are being absorbed as If we can achieve an adequate standard of Japanese and American financiers take up hygiene without increasing the cost structure, ranches, build up herds and finance packing we will have overcome some of the problems plants. that existed under the former Act. I say without fear of contradiction that centralised Unfortunately, costs are rising in Queens­ killing tends towards increased costs. land and today seem out of all proportion to value received. The cattle and meat industry An important matter mentioned by the generally in Australia must eventually suffer Minister was that it will now be possible for as cheap labour countries such as Brazil compensation to be paid to people whose become more and more productive and more slaughtering facilities are involved in an ex­ and more competitive on world markets. tended area. I do not think this is necessary at present, but it is an important part of the The biggest consumer of Australian beef measure which is available if its use becomes is the United States of America, which necessary. This has been a problem in the imports 60 per cent of our production. In past. Operators within or outside an ex­ fact, 6 per cent of America's foodstuffs are tended area should be equally eligible for imported from Australia. We are in the compensation when an extended area is fortunate position of having a fast turn-off created. This is a wise provision. Although, of beef, particularly young cattle. A con­ as I say, I cannot see any use for it at the tinued supply of fat cattle is essential to moment, to safeguard people who might be the maintaining of Australia's premier posi­ affected in the future it must be included in tion on world markets, as well as to the the measure. levelling of the peaks and troughs in pro­ (rime expired.) duction. Excessively high prices and shortages in Mr. AIKEN (Warrego) (4.16 p.m.): Is the supply will only provide an incentive to meat industry, the main world supply of production of alternatives to meat. Their much-needed protein, eventually to suffer the threat must be kept under close observation same disaster as other primary industries have so that the meat industry will not witness as a result of Government indifference? With a chemical take-over similar to the ones the high prices prevailing today, is it possible that occurred in the wool and silk industries. that consumer resistance could affect the Queensland's primary industries have been industry and eventually result in oversupply penalised by this Government's slow thinking and overproduction? as well as its lack of imagination and deter· Who in the wool industry 15 years ago mination. The beef industry must be ever would have imagined the deep valley of alert to its dependence on market trends and depression which recently almost smothered changes. our wool producers? Equally, who would It is the Government, not the so-called have thought that wool could sweep back to inefficient primary industries, that bears the magnificent position it occupies today? watching. The only disasters that have Stop-and-go policies, although spectacular and occurred in our industries have been the historical, need strong Government thought result of Government thinking. In utter to maintain an even flow of produce onto the disregard for its responsibilities, it has market, with industry steadiness and pros­ dumped industries and people. If the Gov­ perity most essential to the future of the ernment were forced to suffer in the way Meat Industry Act [20 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill 3081 that the people have suffered, it would be shop, like the corner store, is being phased much quicker to move and would adopt a out. The retail trade is now feeling the more realistic attitude. Market opportunities Impact in competitive beef selling not only of have been frustrated not by the producers the major chain stores, but also of the big but by the conservative elements in this exporters of beef, who are now entering Government, who, despite the many pleas the retail trade. Thanks to increased com­ made to establish overseas trade centres, petition, cleanliness, general appearance and have not moved. undoubted hygiene, the small, specialist The Government and the meat producers butcher shops have improved vastly in the should strive to provide protein for a pro­ last few years. I believe that, generally tein-hungry world at prices that the world speaking, Queensland butcher shops are can afford. As a result of dramatic demands superior to the shops I have inspected in made by markets, this State has a cattle other States. population that until a few years ago was The prov·isions in the Bill will seriously considered to be unattainable. I believe affect small country abattoirs. Government that even higher cattle numbers are possible. pressure, control and bureaucracy will cen­ The tendency towards change is wide­ tralise meat slaughterings, help to escalate spread throughout the world. Large quan­ prices and isolate the smaller man. All this tities of synthetic clothing and meat are in is being done by a Government that is always production. However, fortunately, the power­ vocal about private enterprise. What is to ful consumer giant is switching back to happen to the consumer through the domina­ natural products, with the result that meat tion of the pre-cut, pre-packed meat sold and wool production is presently booming. through the chain stnres? We are losing the But will this last? Although rises in world picture of healthy looking carcasses in our population and, therefore, demands for food local butcher shops. Western people will be will call for even further increases in the forwarding beef from their own areas to production of natural products, the primary coastal centres and getting it back in the producers can ill afford to be complacent. West as plasticked-mysteries or hamburgers. They should certainly not sacrifice the quality of their products, which are now in great Meat substitutes or synthetic meats are demand. frightening words to the producers. We all remember the effect of margarine on the I pay a sincere compliment to the butter industry, and what happened to wool C.S.I.R.O., which has played a very import­ and silk. The threat is real enough, because ant role in the improvement of meat quality. about 600,000,000 lb. of synthetic meat was The beef breeders, too, have an important used last year in the United States in a wide part to play in the supply of superior animals and varied range of products, including baby for slaughter. Performance recording and foods. W·ith world population expanding, selection will have to be practised more extensively to obtain animals best suited with demand for food increasing, and with genetically to economically produce beef, shortages of natural products being likely, today's emphasis being particularly on substitute meats are a real danger to the marbling and lean meat. Factory-type pro­ Queensland producers. We should remember duction of beef in feed lots has gained that Queensland is the biggest meat-producing much ground in the past two years. I State in the Commonwealth. believe that pasture grazing will always Export hygiene standards have considerably remain the principal basis of meat pro­ increased cost pressures. In 1970, with duction, although feed lots will undoubtedly random checking of 1 per cent of meat specialise in premier, quick-maturing meats. imported into the United States, 7,300,000 The vast undeveloped areas of potential lb. of meat was rejected, or lost to the grassland in Queensland negate far into the American market. Hygiene standards are future any thought of inadequate grazing certainly important because they are the land or obsolete pastures. Without doubt, crux of maintaining overseas exports. At lot feeding will provide a predictable supply present, the skies are clear and bright for of a more uniform product, but production producers, but constant checking overseas is costs in feed lots must remain heavy, with essential. It is in this area that I believe the grain-fed beef always being less than com­ Government is letting Queensland down. petitive in price. Where are our checking points? Where are ·In Queensland, butcher shops are dis­ our overseas trade centres? Why has the appearing fast and the suburban shops that Government ignored the industry's requests provide such a wonderfully specialised service for overseas trade centres? The Minister, in are, unfortunately, being phased out. This is a cast·igating speech today, said that I was an American tendency. In America, retail worn thin. He has worn out a generation distribution has now become the monopoly of of farmers and, by ignoring their requests, the supermarkets and the big chain stores. has brought to their knees industries which Are we becoming too Americanised and too are so important to this State. It is vital that Japanese-orientated with our feed lots? I am overseas trade centres be established with pleased to note that the Queensland Grazi.ers' haste because there is a need for them. If Association has resolved to assist the small, the Government does this, I will have one retail-butchering business. Obviously this will word of praise for this non-caring Govern­ be tough slogging because the small butcher ment. 3082 Meat Industry Act [20 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill

Mr: WHARTON (Burnett) (4.31 p.m.): This meat to a central killing area, it will now be very Important measure has reasonably wide possible to establish regional meat areas. ramifications and will benefit both the pro­ This is a good move. I thought at one stage ducer and the consumer. It certainly allays that it would mean centralisation, but I now some fears I have had in regard to the feel that it will be a good move. Bundaberg Abattoir Board area and hinter­ land, which is in the Burnett electorate. It The sale of meat is currently a topical was mooted at one time that the board would question throughout the State, and indeed take over various butcher shops in the area throughout Australia. It is a most important and concern was expressed everywhere. I activity, and hygiene is the most important pay a tribute to that board on the good work part of it. The honourable member for it has done in its franchise area. It handles Warrego complained that Governments have good-quality beef and supplies the consumer not done various things. I know quite well with it. However, abattoir boards and the that he was referring to A.L.P. Governments. primary producers who supply them depend They have had little chance to do much of on a high density of population. This is recent years in this State, but a Labor Gov­ the position in the Bundaberg area. A ernment is now doing a great deal of talking proposal was put up at one time that the in the Federal sphere. If the honourable Bundaberg board would extend its area and member for Warrego knew anything about encompass the adjoining butcher shops. This the meat industry, he would realise that the concerned the electorate of Burnett because standards of hygiene applied are now very it encircles the Bundaberg Abattoir Board strict indeed. I know this from my own area. experience with killing floors and boning-out One operator has a butcher shop at Gin rooms. These strict standards have been Gin afl:d he operates through the Bundaberg applied largely as a result of the require­ Abattmr Board. He feels that this is better ments of buyers on the export market. I am than having a slaughterhouse in Gin Gin. If speaking not exclusively of the American he and the people want it that way, that is fair market, but of the Japanese market also. enough. Many of these other butcher shops These buyers require certain standards of have improved their hygiene standards and the hygiene in the production of the meat that quality of meat they handle. They are doing they buy, and producers, if they wish to a fine job in looking after both the producer supply those markets, have to meet those and the consumer in country areas. The standards. public. ge!lerally feel that these shops are Mr. P. Wood: Would you say that the essential m country areas because they do same is true of slaughterhouses? a worth-while job well. In addition thev provide competition at stock sales which {s Mr. WHARTON: Certainly. The State important to the producer. The' fact that tries to apply the same standard of hygiene the cattle do not have to be transported to them. to a central area and transported back again Mr. P. Wood: But does it apply it? as carcasses must have a bearing on cost. The efficient and hygienic country butcher shop Mr. WHARTON: It endeavours to, and has a bearing on the welfare of the com­ the standards applied are sufficient to meet munity in country areas and should be the needs of the community. allowed to continue operating. Mr. Bums: Do you think that the people Under the Bill, licensing will be handled in your area get a lower standard of hygiene by one authority. Whilst I am not a centra!ist in their meat than American buyers? and. do f!O~ agree entirely with having cen­ tralised kllhng. centres, I must admit that they Mr. WHARTON: That is the type of ques­ have a place m the larger centres of popula­ tion that the honourable member would ask. tion. Obviously butcher shops cannot be His name is Tommy Burns, and he talks a established all over the place. But to lot of tommyrot. centralise the authority for licensing is a Mr. Burns: You are selling some of your step forward because that body will have own people rotten, dirty meat. full control of any problem it has to deal with. Mr. WHARTON: I would be the first to I pay a tribute to the Department of Primary deny that. I have heard many statements m Industries on the part it has played in this this Chamber, but none as silly as that. It matter. It has always done a reasonable is just not true. and sound job in licensing butcher shops. It Mr. Burns: No dirty meat comes out of has b~en realistic in its approach and has slaughter-yards? appreciated the problems that arise in small butcher shops because of high costs. At Mr. WHARTON: No. That is my answer the same time it has been strict in applyin" to the honourable member. He would not the hygiene provisions of the Act. I think know anything about this subject. The Min­ it is a step forward to have the authority ister and others on this side of the Chamber handle this part of it. know that in meatworks, most of which are I want to make some comment on decen­ licensed for export, there cannot be two tralisation, because I think it is important. standards of hygiene. Provision is made for regional meat areas. Mr. P. Wood: There are two standards of I think this is essential. Rather than bring meat hygiene. Meat Industry Act [20 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill 3083

Mr. WHARTON: There are two standards Mr. WHARTON: I have been in them of members, too-one standard on this side both here and overseas. That remark is of the Chamber, and another on the other typical of the comments made by the honour­ side. able members opposite. Endeavours are made to produce a I point out to members of the Opposition hygienic product for the consumer, and I that the Federal Labor Government even say that that is what he gets. I know the intends to apply a tax on meat exports. strictness with which standards are applied The beef that is exported is different from in the various abattoirs and meatworks. Who that sold on the local market. would have said that the abattoir in Brisbane Mr. P. Wood: The standards of hygiene was unhygienic? It lost its export licence for a while, but has now had it returned. Certain should not be different, though. standards of hygiene are required by import­ Mr. WHARTON: I have said already that ing countries, and endeavours have been there is very little difference in the standards made in local abattoirs to meet those standards. of hygiene. Opposition Members interjected. Mr. P. Wood: You just have not succeeded; that's the trouble. The CHAIRMAN: Order! Cross-firing in the Chamber is not permitted. Mr. WHARTON: No-one can succeed in everything, but at least he can try. A very Mr. WHARTON: As I said, Mr. Lickiss, high standard-high enough to meet the the A.L.P. Government in Federal Parlia­ requirements of export markets-has been ment has the idea of taxing meat for export. achieved. Most people know that this coun­ It is a different type of meat from that try has export quotas in the American and used for local consumption. It comes from Japanese markets, and is filling them. The big, heavy-weight cattle and is used princip­ stringent hygiene standards demanded by ally for the hamburger trade. The Federal those countries have to be met. I know the A.L.P. Government now wants to tax that conditions that prevail in meatworks, and a meat and take a bit more from the pro­ high quality produce would not be produced ducers. In Japan, meat is three times as if such standards were not applied. dear as it is in Queensland and Australia, and it is twice as dear in the United States Mr. P. Wood: I am not worried about the of America as it is here. The imposition meat for export. I am worried about the of an additional tax will not improve the meat for local consumption. position of local producers. As everyone knows, meat is one of the Mr. WHARTON: I am concerned about best products that one can eat, and people all the meat that is killed locally. If there is a standard for export, we must have a are demanding more meat. That is fair similar standard with meat for home con­ enough. Let the producers meet that demand. sumption. It is being applied generally. I believe that a free-enterprise Government -indeed, any type of Government-would Mr. P. Wood: That is not so. want the producers to meet that demand, and Queensland is a big producer of meat. Mr. WHARTON: It is. The export licence As the Minister outlined, the provisions requires somewhat different standards, bur of the Bill indicate that the authority is it would be splitting straws to draw a dis­ given new specific powers relative to the tinction between local consumption and licensing of abattoirs, slaughterhouses, and export standards. I defy honourable mem­ so on, and applicants for licences will have bers opposite to define the difference. a right of appeal to a District Court agail}st any decision of the authority. The authon!y Opposition Members interjected. has done a reasonably good job-I say that with respect-but I think it is better Mr. WHARTON: In other words, honour­ to provide for a right of appeal. Although able members opposite say that the State tribunals of this type do a good job in is providing rotten meat. If they wish to rectifying difficult situations that arise, it say that, they may; but I would not sub­ is not always easy to get before them, and scribe to their opinion. The Government the proposed Bill provides that the Governor has ensured that a hygienic product is in Council will be able to deal with appeals produced. lt is no good for the producer on some matters. if he produces unhygienic beef-in fact, it is no good for anybody. The Government. Synthetic meats have been referred to. therefore, has imposed tough hygiene stan~ They do pose a real problem. We know what dard,, and it has cost companies many has happened in the dairy industry because millions of dollars to provide first-quality of margarine. Synthetic meats are not really meat for export and for local consumption. meat, and meat is what we want to sell. Probably we should do more advertising of Mr. P. Wood: I don't think you have meat. Perhaps the sale of synthetic meats ever seen a slaughterhouse. should be limited to those who need them 3084 Meat Industry Act (20 MARCH 1973} Amendment Bill for health reasons. The meat industry is facilities has been bandied around by certain one of the most viable industries in the departmental officers. The problem of cen­ State, and we want to keep it that way. tralised killing facilities has caused great concern in North Queensland. The Govern­ An Honourable Member interjected. ment has imposed many levies and conditions Mr. WHARTON: That is right, it has on small butchers. I admit that in some never had any help. It has a voluntary instances those conditions are necessary­ organisation and it does things in a proper for example, in the interests of hygiene. way. Most honourable members will remember the old boxwood butcher's block that has now It is getting very costly to produce beef. been ruled out by the Government on grounds At one time it was merely a matter of of hygiene. These blocks were scrubbed depending on grass-fattened cattle. Today with a wire brush every day after use and cattle are turned off far quicker than they were cleaner and more hygienic than the used to be, but in many ways costs are present plastic. They have been used since much higher. Improved pastures, lot-feeding Vie Sullivan was a child and even before and other new methods all tend to increase then. the cost of production. Although we hear talk of the millions of dollars in the industry, The CHAIRMAN: Order! The honourable that does not mean that the producer is member knows how he should address other making millions of dollars. He is doing his honourable members. I do not propose to part to produce a reasonably-priced high­ keep raising this matter. quality article. That is the important function of the beef producer. Appropriate regula­ Mr. F. P. MOORE: I have a Vie Sulli­ tions ensure the correct treatment of meat van living in my area who is 104 years old. so that the consumer gets a hygienic pro­ Plastics have now been introduc.ed into duct. the butchering industry. I wonder why. I hope that the Bill will achieve what Butchers now have to cut beef on a plastic it sets out to do. In introducing it, the subs{ance. Honourable members can imagine Minister has done a worth-while job. It is the marks left on them by a sharp butcher's not always possible to pin down every prob­ knife, and decide whether a wire brush could lem and solve it. No doubt the Bill will be used to remove the fat and meat that not solve all the problems of the meat is lodged in the indentations. The reason for industry, but it will go a long way towards the introduction of plastics, of course, is, as it. It gives the authority power to regulate usual, the adoption of Yankee policy and the certain things. It will ensure that the feathering of the nest of big manufacturers consumer receives quality meat at the lowest rather than of the consumer. Every regula­ possible price. tion that has been introduced covering butchers-! am speaking particularly about Surely the Federal Government will not the small butchers-puts them fUPther towards legislate to penalise the export of beef. That going out of business as they must always would mean not cheaper beef in this State pass the cost on to consumers. or elsewhere in Australia, but it would injure a viable industry which we want to I wholeheartedly support improvements in keep viable. hygiene standards, but I recall when I first came to Brisbane in 1956 to attend the Mr. F. P. MOORE (Mourilyan) (4.48 Teachers College. Butchers in the area p.m.): I preface my submissions with a where I lived were dependent on the abattoirs, reference to a statement I made in "The from which they bought their carcasses whole. Cairns Post" just before the State election They hav.e now been priced out of business. in May last year. Prior to that, slaughtering I am willing to take the Minister or any inspectors were saying very emphatically other honourable member to the areas in to butchers in North Queensland, particu­ Brisbane where I then stayed and show them larly in my area, that the Australian Labor where butcher shops have been allowed to Party would introduce centralised killing. I go to the wall and supermarkets permitted to refuted that statement in "The Cairns Post" sell meat wrapped in cellophane-and the and quoted the Australian Labor Party's customer does not know how old it is. policy. I want to know now just where I am a supporter of the small butcher who the Government stands on this matter. It kills his own beef. I do not know of any is introducing virtLJa!ly what was stated to deaths having occurred in areas serviced by be our policy. small butchers as a result of the consumpt

centralised killing in townships with a num­ Mr. TOMKINS: I am not talking about ber of butcher shops is feasible, but it is that at all. I want to deal with the damaging not in other areas. We know that the statement made by the honourable member. Queerah meatworks will put meat into We have had to study the American hygiene another area whenever it suits them to requirements and it has been essential, fm do so. Borthwicks will also send meat the preservation of the industry, to agree to from Bowen to other areas whenever it them. If it were not for America, the meal feels so inclined. What is to happen to industry would be bankrupt today. the poor butcher who cannot supply the I am fascinated by our having one standard! loin and rump when required? When he for the export market and another standard! gets three beasts a week he has so much for the domestic market. The honourable offal-I hope Government members know member for Isis expressed some reservations what offal is. on raising the hygiene standard for the A Government Member: We certainly domestic market. But we must be fair. We know what "waffle" is. had to meet the hygiene standards set by our overseas markets. This has had a Mr. F. P. MOORE: Fancy any Govern­ tendency to raise the standard at every export ment member talking about "waffle", when abattoir in Australia and, basically, this is in all we hear from them is "offal". the interests of consumers. Admittedly, it My main point is that the Government has meant some rise in prices, but we have has a responsibility to help the smaller never had better hygiene standards in om; butchers. If it does not consider them, I public abattoirs and those private abattoirs have no alternative other than to say it that are operating on the export market. has fallen down on the job again in Under the Bill, an effort is being made to considering country people. raise the hygiene standards for the domestic market. Of course, neither the Minister nor Mr. TOMKINS (Roma) (5.4 p.m.): I am the department is responsible for the pleased to support the amendments outlined standards in the export market. However, by the Minister. I have heard some the Minister, by introducing this Bill, is astonishing statements today, but the high­ trying to raise the standard of hygiene for light came from the honourable member the domestic market. for Mourilyan, who said that we, meaning A good deal of what has been said today Australia, should set our own standards for by the honourable member for Isis and meat exported to America and should not others is quite correct. However, Queens­ be told what America wants. land has only a certain number of towns Mr. F. P. Moore: You don't think we're where centralised killing could be introduced. going to send unhygienic meat, do you? They would need to have a population of a1 least 10,000. In a town such as that the Mr. TOMKINS: That is what the hon­ butchers could form a co-operative to run a ourable member said. killing facility, or, if some of them could Mr. F. P. Moore: I did not. not afford it, perhaps one or two of them could set up the facility and arrange with the Mr. TOMKINS: The honourable member others to kill there. I am sure that the said we should set our own standards. Meat Industry Authority would agree to such an arrangement. Mr. F. P. Moore: Under our hygienic The honourable member for Mourilyan conditions. mentioned Silkwood. The establishment of Mr. TOMKINS: All right, under hygienic a killing facility there could not be justified. conditions. I have always believed that the Mr. Sullivan: Does it have a butcher shop? consumer is right, and, if he says that I must agree to a certain set of standards, I Mr. TOMKINS: There is one, I think, and simply have to do so, otherwise I have no the cattle are killed with spears. If ever market. the day comes when the establishment of a facility at Silkwood is even considered, some­ I am amazed at the attitude of Opposition thing will be wrong. I know that that is not members to overseas trade. It has become being suggested. evident, since the Federal Labor Govern­ ment took office, that an attempt is being Some years ago I was a member of the made to break our ties with our best Queensland Meat Industry Authority, when customer. Nobody would know better than it undertook a tour of Queensland. The, the honourable member for Mourilyan that Minister referred to the area from Cairns to one of the ·reasons why the meat industry got Coolangatta. We did not go quite as far out of its chaotic condition in 1958 was that in either direction, but we visited many places third-grade and fourth-grade meat was able in North Queensland in the hot weather. Al to be exported to America, after being one slaughtering establishment in the released from the 15-year meat agreement. Mourilyan electorate the employees were having morning tea, which is their right, al Mr. F. P. Moore: Do you believe that the 10.30 a.m. one hot, steamy day. About seven high prices at the moment will be advan­ carcasses were then hanging on the rail. The tageous to the industry? flies on the carcasses had to be seen to be Meat Industry Act [20 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill 3087 believed. They were green, blue and black, which (Mr. Barton) is an ex-officio member and they were all over the carcasses. It of all district abattoir boards, has, by reason was a spectacle that rather revolted me. I of co-operation between the authority and the have had experience in killing cattle, and we boards, upgraded profitability figures of all used to kill in the later afternoon, when no boards except the Metropolitan Public flies were about. I said to a well-respected Abattoir Board, to which I shall make member of the Queensland Meat Industry separate reference. For instance, the follow­ Authority, who is a veterinary officer, "You ing are the profits of the Ipswich District would think that people in this district would Abattoir Board for the five years 1967 to die if they ate meat like this." He said, 1972:- "There is one thing in their favour: most $ of them usually eat cooked meat." I make 1967-68 3,098 the point that the fact that meat is cooked 1968-69 6,375 before being eaten is about the only thing 1969-70 4,097 that saves them. 1970-71 3,050 Surely there is a need to introduce hygienic 1971-72 14,743 killing if the economics of the industry are There is a case in which the results of favourable, and this is one of the main a board's activities have improved. During purposes of the Bill. I have even thought the same period of five years, the Toowoomba what a mixed-up situation there is in my Public Abattoir Board showed profits in the own area. There is a very good and strong years 1969-70 and 1971-72, and the tendency export abattoir at Roma, and two slaughter­ appears to be for the figures to improve. ing establishments where killing is carried I should say that Toowoomba might have out in slaughter-yards. They are registered a soundly based future. with the Department of Primary Industries, but, from the viewpoint of hygienic killing, The Bundaberg District Abattoir Board the ideal situation would be to have killing showed a substantial loss in 1967-68, but for those two butchers carried out at the since then it has had profits of- meatworks all the year round. If the meat­ Year $ works are prepared to enter into such an 1968-69 3,818 arrangement, I will be in favour of it. Of 1969-70 3,194 course, from the point of view of the meat­ 1970-71 10,624 works, there is a probkm; the works often 1971-72 6,446 close for about three weeks at Christmas­ That is another instance in which there has iime, which means that some other arrange­ been a tendency for profits to increase. ment would have to be made then. The situation in Townsville is almost ! believe that these are some of the identical with that in Bundaberg-a loss in possibilities that the Meat Industry Authority 1967-68, followed by a profit in each suc­ will consider on the passage of this legisla­ ceeding year, rising to $7,761 in 1971-72. tion. There are one or two other areas­ { am thinking of Oakey, and Keong's meat­ There are two other boards, one at Rock­ works-in which the position could be similar hampton and one at Mackay. to that at Roma. Many possibilities arise Mr. Bromley: The cattle industry has been for improvement of standards of hygiene. our best primary industry over the last two [f this produces some rise in costs, such or three years. increases will have to be borne. I will also say that these measures are not practicable Mr. TOMKINS: That probably is true. It in some of the smaller areas. has never had any assistance from anybody I often wonder why butchers kill in the either; it has paddled its own canoe. middle of the day, whereas most graziers Mr. Bromtey: Go and have a yarn with kill in the late afternoon on the property. your mate-- There is no question that Brisbane people get the best of two worlds-they get the best The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN (Mr. beef, and it is also killed hygienically. In that W. D. Hewitt): Order! I would like the regard, Brisbane people are extremely well member for Roma to have a yarn with me, looked after. if the honourable member for South Brisbane will stop interrupting. Mr. Bromley: I reckon there is nothing better than a cut of country steak. Mr. TOMKINS: The Mackay Abattoir and the Rockhampton District Abattoir are not Mr. TOMKINS: Locally killed meat is now abattoirs in the sense of service works, better, but it is fairly good in Brisbane, too. but both have shown profits in the last year. One of the responsibilities of the Queens­ I should like to deal now with the Metro­ land Meat Industry Authority is to co­ politan Public Abattoir Board in Brisbane. ordinate, and look after, the various public The Government has seen fit to spend some­ and district abattoirs throughout Queensland. thing of the order of $11,000,000 to build I was looking through some figures recently, new works in Brisbane. If one studies the and I want to make the point now that figures one finds that there is a major prob­ over a period of years the Queensland lem here. The Metropolitan Public Abattoir Meat Industry Authority, the chairman of Board made a profit of $105,000 in 1965-66, 3088 Meat Industry Act (20 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill but since then it has incurred losses in each selling stock by live weight. In Sydney of the succeeding six years and the over-all today more stock are sold by live weight loss is well over $1,000,000. than on a per-head basis. I strongly suggest It also is a fact-I think I should mention that the board should go along with this this in conjunction with the other figures­ proposal because it is one that would do that the number of stock going through the a lot of good for the industry in Queens­ works has decreased. In 1965-66 approx­ land. imately 250,000 cattle were treated; in I can see the day, following the intro­ 1971-72 only 123,000 were treated-a con­ duction of live-weight scales in Brisbane, siderable decrease. There has been a similar when their use will spread to other areas decrease in the number of calves treated, but of Queensland. I believe that their use for pigs, sheep and lambs the numbers have leads to more honest trading between the remained fairly constant. producer, the meat company and all the There is a variety of reasons for the losses. ancillaries. I think it would be in the One is unused capacity over a period, which long-term interests of the industry. I am not can be a "killer". Of course, a public abattoir saying that necessarily anyone will get any board must have animals to kill. If the more money out of it, but I think it is a operators do not send them in to be killed, far better method and, in the long term, the abattoir continues operating but is not it could be cheaper than the present method. doing the business that it ought to be doing. To sum up, let me say that I think the That is a big factor in the losses that have only worry on the horizon is the operation been incurred. Another factor is the loss of the Metropolitan Public Abattoir Board. of its export licence on at least two occasions. This is something that has to be watched very carefully. I know that it is difficult When the new abattoir comes into use, the to maintain viability when a plant is being Metropolitan Public Abattoir Board will have built while the old works are still being a fantastically difficult job to bring it to a used. Over all, the decision to rebuild is viable state. When Labor Governments were a good one, but the cost factor does pose a in office, the abattoir was protected by fran­ problem. chise and virtually could not run at a loss. It is now in direct and open competition with Mr. O'DONNELL (Belyando) (5.22 p.m.): all the other abattoirs and private meatworks As I have always spoken on the subject throughout the State. For example, Berth­ matter of this Bill over the years, I have wicks, which is inside the metropolitan taken a great deal of interest in what has abattoir area, can also send meat to the been said today. I believe that the honour­ metropolitan area, and Ipswich, Dinmore and able member for Roma was rather harsh other meatworks can also send meat here. in his criticism of the honourable member Consequently, the Metropolitan Public for Mourilyan, who put forward what l Abattoir Board has not only to survive but thought was a basic case. The honourable also to show a profit. member for Roma chose to find fault with I should like to make one or two sugges­ what my colleague said. No doubt he was tions to the Minister. The Metropolitan merely playing politics and trying to make Public Abattoir Board at present comprises a political point. However, it is important Mr. Curtis, Mr. Hamon and Mr. Ellemor, to note that the honourable member for with Mr. Barton as the ex officio member. Roma said he agreed with the imposition With the complexity of the board's opera­ on Queensland abattoirs of certain standards tions, I believe that it will prove very difficult of hygiene by the American authorities. to make the abattoir viable. Because of that, Strange to say, so do I. I think that the board or the Government Let us look at it another way. If the should give some consideration to enlarging standards set by American interests are the membership of the board. Three men so important, does it not reflect sadly on running an $11,000,000 complex could easily the State Government that it allowed such be overbalanced in trying to make the opera­ low standards of hygiene to prevail over the tions of the board profitable. I strongly urge years? The Government cannot approve that thought be given to bringing in a top of the requirements laid down by a consumer meat man to assist the board in its delibera­ without at the same time becoming conscious tions. We do not want to have the abattoir of its own shortcomings. In allowing less running at a loss. If it does, somebody has to stringent conditions to exist over the years, make up those losses, and that is not the Government has been adopting a rather desirable. blind attitude to the all-important subject of Another matter that has come before the hygiene. board is the introduction of live-weight Many people have the idea that public scales. Their use has been strongly urged abattoirs were instituted to provide the public by the United Graziers' Association. They with cheap meat. Honourable members are an innovation that started in the United would be amazed to realise how widespread States of America many years ago. They that belief is. Over the years many people have been tried in Sydney with considerable have said to me, "The idea of the public success. The early use of scales was abattoir is to bring cheap meat to the only moderate, but as time went on more public." I have said to them, "That is and more people are realising the value of totally wrong. The idea of a public abattoir Meat Industry Act l20 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill 3089

and its concomitant board is to provide a carcasses are being conveyed from delivery hygienic means of slaughter; to eliminate vans into butcher shops. I do not think I the position of every butcher having his own have ever seen the driver of a delivery van slaughter-yard; and to reduce the number of c1ose the door of the van before. carrying slaughter-yards to a practical minimum." a carcass into a butcher shop and, on his This is a very relevant principle when return to the van, open the door to lift out considering our way of living. It must be the next carcass. Invariably he leaves the understood that only hygiene-conscious door open all the time. This happens people realise the value of hygiene. Mention regularly in the larger cities. was made today of the metropolitan project, I do not know how flies could be kept which is to cost $11,000,000 but which, off meat in the brigalow country. Even over the years, has suffered operating losses. a human, who possesses, in his hands, two There must be something wrong when the weapons to keep them away, cannot achieve Government allowed these losses to accumul­ better than a 70 per cent result. ate. One never hears of losses by private Mr. Hughes: We have asked a number of abattoirs. They seem to function profitably. questions in an effort to get the Minister The only private abattoir I have recently to have all carcasses covered with gauze, heard of that encountered any trouble was but he says it is too costly. the one at Roma, which has now recovered, anyway. This is very important and leads Mr. O'DONNELL: Costs are the govern­ me to another aspect of hygiene. ing factor, but it gets back to the important I believe that one of the most satisfactory matter of standards. ways of converting cattle to beef is to do The honourable member for Roma said it as close to the point of production as that it is only the cooking of the meat one, with reasonable common sense, could that protects people from disease. For that place an abattoir. 1 am very keen to see very reason I would not eat either a rare an abattoir established at Emerald. To my or medium grilled steak, no matter how mind, this is important. But do not forget tasty it might be. A steak has to be well that much of the confusion in the estab­ done to ensure that the bacteria in it are lishi!lg of ab~ttoirs, whether public or private, completely destroyed. Some people suggest ongmates wrth the grazier. Let us look at that we should use kangaroo meat. I am sure the matter from a common-sense point of that if they saw kangaroos being slaughtered view. There are two abattoirs at Rock­ they would not eat it at all, as the meat is hampton, but I am prepared to bet my last often worm-infested. dollar that the establishment of the second one did not double killings at Rockhampton. Perhaps one of the most distasteful If I remember correctly there was a drop activities in our society is ·the slaughter of back in the abattoir that Mr. Hinchliff beautiful Santa Gertrudis and Hereford cattle managed on behalf of C.Q.M.E. when Fields for their meat. But no matter how much began operating there. I always remember we might admire them on the hoof, we must that in one of my savage moments in this not forget that they are prone to disease. Chamber I said that there was a cattle­ Many years ago a friend of mine who. at buying ring in Rockhampton which forced the time, was one of the most outstanding graziers to send their stock farther afield, centres ever to play football contracted a to Cannon Hill saleyards or elsewhere, in meat germ and later died in a strait-jacket. order to obtain a satisfactory price. I with­ Hygiene is therefore of vital importance in draw that statement to some extent as I the production of meat. made it in the heat of anger one night I appreciate the efforts of the honourable as a result of the lack of development of member for Mourilyan on behalf of the small the Rockhampton abattoir. There is no butcher shops. In many small towns it would public abattoir there although there is a be impossible to have the butcher shops board, and I thought it was a very logical serviced by local abattoirs. As a matter centre in which to build a great meatworks. of fact, the same can be said of some I do not want to put the private abattoirs large towns. It is incumbent on the Govern­ out of business, but I should have liked to ment, through the Queenslanj Meat Industry see a Jot of business contracted through the Authority, to exercise supervision over Gracemere yards or the yards to the west, slaughtering activities, and if the Bill attempts whether at Clermont, Springsure Rolleston to do this it has some merit. Barcaldine, Blackall or whereve~ sales ar~ These days in the larger towns and cities. held, that would channel work through a chain stores and huge marketing centres are major abattoir in Centml Queensland. Natur­ a common sight. They sell pre-packaged ally, one cannot go past Rockhampton as meat, and in them the butcher is conspicuous the logical point. It is the centre of a by his absence. One cannot go into such tremendous cattle-rearing area, yet the results a shop and ask for a specific cut, and then that one would expect from such an area see the butcher getting it. No doubt this are just not there. worries people who have been accustomed The honourable member for Roma also to dealing with small butcher shops. raised the question of the effect on hygiene I do not know how we can circumvent oc~asioned by flies. I think the people of these trends. When I was in Waikiki and Bnsbane would agree that the fly menace Honolulu I did not see one butcher shop. also exists in Brisbane, particularly when All the meat that was needed came from 3090 Meat Industry Act [20 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill

the service stores. As a matter of interest, Mr. O'DONNELL: I am glad to hear it. l did not enter a hotel there because I But there must be a build-up; and the only had to go to a store if I wanted to business must be done on the spot. buy beer. If we follow that trend, it is Generally, honourable members have obvious that pre-packaged meat for service applauded the improvement in the standard centres will be prepared at the abattoir. of hygiene, although they may not have 1f this becomes the practice, the small applauded the Minister's approach to the businessman in private enterprise will not question. Some may even have been critical be able to make a living. I suppose, to of it. an extent, his loss is countered by the establishment at the abattoir of this special We await the printing of the Bill with facility. interest. I sometimes feel that it would be a good thing if the reasons for the intro­ Mr. F. P. Moore: How do we know duction of Bills such as this could be how many people handle the meat before circulated beforehand in the Chamber in it is placed in the plastic bag? pamphlet form so that when the Minister introduces a Bill all honourable members Mr. O'DONNELL: Nobody can give a would know what he was driving at. Some­ satisfactory answer to that question. The times it is very difficult to catch every point handling of meat, from the moment of raised. I shall reserve any further comment slaughter, can be suspect. Only one infected until I have received the Bill and studied it. person needs to handle meat to cause some Mr. HARTWIG (Callide (5.42 p.m.): harmful result somewhere along the line. Naturally, as Queensland is the largest beef Reference has been made to the provision producer and exporter in Australia, any of scales at saleyards to facilitate the selling measures to improve the standard of hygiene of meat by weight. Years ago, when I must be beneficial to producer and consumer first joined this Assembly, I was asked to alike. The Bill is along similar lines to investigate this matter on behalf of the those which have been enacted in both A.L.P. I saw that there was a tremendous Victoria and New South Wales, and I advantage in the idea in that it eliminated congratulate the Minister and the department from the saleyards any suggestion that a on the introduction of these very necessary buyer was very shrewd, and that when proposals. Small country killing centres he made his bids he always kept a margin with high standards of hygiene safeguard the in hand that would benefit the company. How­ consumer and assure the producer that his ever, after a close study of the subject I could product is slaughtered under good, first-class not see, particularly in Queensland, any way conditions. Nothing contained in this Bill is in which the use of scales in saleyards materially different from what has been could be implemented other than in the accepted in both New South Wales and metropolitan area, because a big set-up Victoria. would be required at a centre. Perhaps the idea could be put into effect in about Mr. Sherrington: In other words, he hasn't 25 years' time, when we have large regional got a decent single thought of his own. centres of population with a heavy local Mr. HARTWIG: The honourable member demand for meat. When I consider facilities can talk under water. !n p~aces like Chicago-and they are develop­ mg m Sydney and Melbourne-! realise the There is knowledge that, at present, small­ !remen~ous concentration of population that goods are coming into Queensland from fac­ 1s reqmred. The consuming public must be tories in other States which may not have available to permit a quick return from feed the approval of the Department of Primary lots, etc., to the people operating them. It was Industries in their respective States. The explained to me that it was possible to buy proposals of the Bill will allow control and, stores at 28c a lb. sell them as fats at 27 c in effect, the factory or abattoir will have to a lb. and make a profit. That can occur only be approved by the Queensland Department when there is close competition. of Primary Industries. Mr. Lee: Is that live weight, or dead Broadly speaking, the main object of the weight? legislation is to extend the benefits of hygienic slaughtering and inspections of Mr. O'DONNELL: I am talking about meat to as many areas of the State as pos­ live weight. This concerns the use of scales sible. In spite of what Opposition members in the selling of stock. The introduction of say, it will not necessarily eliminate the the selling of stock over the scales will small slaughterhouse. Areas can co-operate be a slow process in Queensland, and will in establishing centralised killing works, or take a good deal of time to reach any established regions can be approved by the widespread application. A certain amount licensing authority. The role of the Queens­ of cost is involved, and this adds to the land Meat Industry Authority will be more problems confronting the industry. attractive and important in the future, because, in effect, it will be the licensing Mr. Hodges: It is working very well in authority and will be expected to maintain Gympie. standards on a State-wide basis. Meat Industry Act [20 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill 3091

Opposition members referred to the supply improving my property to ensure that my of rumps and loins. The Kilcoy works product is of a high quality and a better supplies rumps and loins to butcher shops on standard for the consumer. the Downs. Having a small kill per week, Opposition Members interjected. these men can go to the centralised killing areas. This is the idea in the introduction Mr. HARTWIG: A.L.P. members do not of beef into other regions within the State. like to hear what producers have spent ov,er I firmly believe that the authority has no the last 10 years. They do not like to hear intention of insisting on export standards for of drought and the 80 hours a week that the slaughtering of meat throughout country the primary producer works whilst A.L.P. areas. members want a 35-hour week. Mr. Bromley: Who wrote this? Mr. Houston: How many hours a week do you work on your farm? Mr. HARTWIG: I did. In the first place, such insistence would be impracticable as Mr. HARTWIG: I worked 80 hours a well as financially undesirable for small week from the day I left school. If the slaughterhouses, but it is hoped that the Bill honourable member wants ev,idence of that, will update standards in many areas. let him come to my pmperty and see it for himself. Wages, schooling costs, administra­ We heard a very pathetic plea from the tion costs such as dipping fluids, wire, fuel, honourable member for Mourilyan about the rates and rents, have all been increased. responsibilities of the Government to the poor A.LP. members should not think that, country butchers. The honourable member because present-day prices of beef are high, had much to say on that subject. I should producers are making a fortune. Actually they like to give a classic example of the way in are now being compensated for improved which the A.L.P. is "helping" country management and husbandry. They are being butchers. I have an interest in a country compensated for the years in which they hung butcher shop, at which a slaughterman was on despite drought and other difficulties. It employed at over-award rates, plus meat for is by reason of impmved management and his family. In other words, he had a large husbandry that they are producing a better quality article than they produced 10 years family for which free meat was provided, ago. Honourable members opposite know and he was also in receipt of over-award full well that that is a fact. People on the payments. In return, he was expected to feed land are out on a limb. They cannot pass the pigs on Saturdays and Sundays. This on their costs, so they are at the mercy of agreement worked well for approximately five home and overseas processors. Their living years. Then what happened? Suddenly a is determined by supQly and demand-by the union representative appeared on the scene. ever-increasing world demand for beef. He asked the slaughterman, "Who does Let us salute the producers who work 80 the chores at the week-end?" He replied, "I hours or more a week. Let the A.L.P. take do." As a result of that union interference, heed that if we have a buoyant market for there was no more free meat for that man's our primary industries, it is desirable that family, and he worked his 40 hours a week. we have a good standard of killing facilities. To have no control over smallgoods coming Opposition Members interjected. from interstate and being consumed by Queenslanders is undesirable, and the amend­ Mr. HARTWIG: Honourable members ments proposed will remedy the situation. opposite do not like to hear about this. They do ·not like to hear a little of the truth. 1 again commend the Minister and his What happened to that workman was the staff for bringing forward the proposed result of union interference. It is a classic amendments. example of what happens in the meat Mr. BURNS (Lytton) (5.51 p.m.): What industry. That man was immediately put on a remarkable exhibition the honourable his correct hours of work and his correct member for Callide has given the Committee! rate of pay, and his family, because of union He works 80 hours a week on his property. interference, was denied free meat and the He parks outside this building a car that extra amount that was in the pay packet. occupies two parking spaces. He complains I should like to point out that of every about a fire hazard in the Lodge where he dollar invested by meat processors in Queens­ sleeps, and complains that he will be burnt land, 76 cents reverts to the producer. The there at night when he is away from his State of Queensland has an unlimited property in the Callide. potential for the production of lot-fed, crop­ Government Members interjected. fattened or pasture-fattened beef. The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN (Mr. Reference has been made by honourable W. D. Hewitt): Order! members opposite to the present high cost of meat. Let us consider the many thousands Mr. BURNS: I enter the debate to support and thousands of dollars that have been spent the meatworkers. No-one on the other side by landholders. I have spent a fortune of the Chamber is interested in them. The 3092 Meat Industry Act [20 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill honourable member for Callide is interested The honourable member for Burnett said only in the price of cattle on the hoof. He that there are no dirty slaughterhouses, that is not interested in the consumer or the they are all in first-class order. If all the worker. slaughterhouses in Queensland are clean, why is the Minister introducing the Bill? The Mr. Hartwig interjected. honourable member for Burnett knows he made a mistake. He bought into cross-firing Mr. BURNS: Do you know what you in the Chamber, and in answer to my inter­ said? You gave a perfect example of why the Labor Party opposes the Country Party. jection said, "They are all clean." The Minister and his officers know that they You are not interested in paying decent are not all clean, because there have been wages. You said to the worker, "Do away with your wages, work 80 hours a week, prosecutions in this State. and I will give you the scrag ends, the tail Mr. Sullivan: If you had been here when end and the offal from the bullock you I introduced the Bill, you would know killed." why. Mr. Hartwig interjected. Mr. BURNS: I am talking about what the honourable member for Burnett said, not The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN: Order! what the Minister said. The honourable member for Callide will restrain himself, and ,the honourable member Let us look at what the New South Wales for Lytton will direct his comments to the select committee said relative to killing Chair. areas. The report reads- "The Committee believes that the Mr. BURNS: The honourable member for Callide has told us how he set out to development of central killing areas is defraud the ordinary working man in his essential in any scheme to improve the area. He said to him, "Work more than meat industry, particularly if weight and 40 hours a week; forget about your three classification is to be introduced." weeks' annual leave; forget about your long The committee asked for it to be introduced. service leave; forget about your workers' compensation; forget about your overtime. We need central killing areas, and I agree If you do, I will throw you a few scrag with the Minister's action in knocking back ends and a bit of dirty offal, and that will the people at Dalby and the Toowoomba buy you off." That is the Country Party Progress Association, or whatever the Liberal attitude to the worker on a property. It is business people call themselves in that area, the sort of thing that members of the and deciding that $8,000,000 should be spent A.L.P. object to and oppose, and it is a in the Cannon Hill area to construct a first­ fair example of why someone has to do class, up-to-date, pollution-free, hygienically something for the ordinary consumer and operated meatworks. That is the standard the ordinary worker in the community. we need in all our areas. People on the Gold Coast are eating meat from slaughter­ Mr. HARTWIG: I rise to a point of houses that are not properly inspected. In order. I said that the landholders have many cases the slaughtering is done early spent a fortune producing a better-quality in the morning so that inspection is avoided. article. [t has been said in this Chamber by the honourable member for Wavell that some­ The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN: There thing similar to that is occurring, and it has is no point of order. not been denied by the department. Perhaps some honourable members opposite have an Mr. BURNS: In 1971, the New South interest in some of these slaughterhouses. Wales Parliament set up a select committee One of them owns a country butcher shop of the Legislative Assembly to investigate but was not prepared to pay the award the meat industry, and its investigations wages, so some of them might own a brought forth a number of remarkable facts. country slaughterhouse. In support of its recommendations relative to slaughterhouses, it said- Let us look at something else that the New South Wales parliamentary committee " ... the New South Wales Meat Indus­ said. Talking about offal, it said this- try Authority furnished information relat­ ing to a survey of slaughterhouses carried "Edible offal or fancy meats are the out by its inspectors in the State. A organs and extremities removed from car­ great majority of these slaughterhouses casses during the process of slaughter and are substandard, and pose a threat to dressing. They are passed fit for human public health because of the unhygienic consumption on the slaughter floor and conditions under which the stock are sold. slaughtered therein. Because of a total "Other by-products consist of animal lack of meat inspection in many of these organs and material collected from the slaughterhouses, contaminated and dis­ slaughter floor, and subsequently passed eased carcasses as well as diseased edible fit for human consumption, as well as fat offal produced from these slaughterhouses and trimmings not diseased. They are have been found in butchers' shops." processed to make sausage casings, tripe, Meat Industry Act [20 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill 3093

sutures, casein, edible tallow and other at Cannon Hill. Those benches had been edible by-products. Blood may be col­ in use for many years. I am told that lected on the slaughter floor for the the inspectors closed down one abattoir production of high protein foods. Pet because the toilet-roll handle was broken foods may be produced at export abattoirs and the toilet roll had been placed on top from animal organs not desired for human of the seat. They said, "That is unhygienic. consumption and from condemned material We will put you out of business." That directed to a secured area." is the story we are told. There does not seem to be any co-ordination between dif­ What about tallow? Honourable members ferent United States departmental officers opposite know as well as I do that tallow who come here. One inspector will come made from condemned material and inedible in and approve of certain premises. A little offal is now used for the production of later one of the international magazines food for human consumption. It comes will report that the meat lobby has been from the dirty little slaughterhouses that very active in America. Immediately after some Country Party members want to con­ that, another American health inspector, or tinue operating. Dirty offal, condemned whatever he is, will decide that certain offal and diseased offal is picked up from Australian meatworks should be closed down. the floor. They close down for a period, and the Let us consider brucellosis and what is meatworkers are thrown out of work. The happening in many other States in the tail­ people represented by honourable members tagging of animals. In Queensland, when opposite may have cattle on trains or being a cow is found to have brucellosis or tuber­ held in yards. They have no chance of culosis its owner tries to keep it out of selling them because of the action of the the metropolitan abattoirs and away from American inspectors. abattoir boards. Such animals are killed Mr. Hartwig interjected. in country slaughterhouses. When a grazier finds that he cannot send his cattle to Mr. BURNS: It's about time you learned Cannon Hill or to one of the major export­ not to squeal too loudly. meat marketing centres because they are diseased, he sends them to the local slaughter­ The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN (Mr. W. house. There are meatworkers in the com­ D. Hewitt): Order! munity who are suffering from brucellosis, which is a terrible and very distressing illness Mr. BURNS: The honourable member for that these men contract from diseased cattle. Callide, a Country Party member, talks This type of disease in cattle is passed on about his big $400,000 property. But I saw through what are known as "splashings" this Country Party representative sitting out­ from the interior of an infected beast. Many side the Chamber with departmental officers meatworkers in this State, at one stage or while they wrote out his speech for him. another, have either had the disease or have I sat beside him and I saw him do it. been threatened with it. Mr. HARTWIG: I rise to a point of order. It is all very well for the honourable Nobody wrote my speech for me. It is in my member for Burnett to shake his head. handwriting. Perhaps if he was subjected to a blood count, it might be found that he has brucel­ The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN (Mr. losis, tuberculosis or some other disease W. D. Hewitt): Order! Does the honourable present in his bloodstream. member ask for a withdrawal? I support the proposal to have centralised Mr. HARTWIG: I ask for a withdrawal. killing. I think we should have more of it. We should increase the killing at the Cannon Mr. BURNS: I withdraw it. I made a Hill meatworks. The number has been mistake. He wrote it down, but they told reduced from 1,000 to 600 a day, and him what to say. r sat beside him as he did meatworkers will be put out of work when it. the new abattoirs come into being. It must be more economical to cart pre-packed meat [Sitting suspended from 6 to 7.15 p.m.] to country areas from a properly organised, fully automated meatworks, and Cannon Hill Mr. BURNS: I was pointing out how some is supposed to be one of the most modern members of the Country Party who had been meatworks in the world. speaking on this Bill had used it to attack meatworkers, their unions and their elected What we have to face up to in many officials, as well as the wages and conditions of the meatworks in this State is the fact that the officials demand for their members. that the United States Government, under I am glad the Minister did not sink to this pressure from its own farmers' lobby-I level. I am pleased to say that reports I can see no other reason for it-from time to have heard of his speech indicate that he did time decides to send out inspectors to our not do that. meatworks to declare that some of our standards are too low. On one occasion, I suggest that we should not attack our these inspectors were crawling around and meatworkers. I know that they are the scraping dirt from undearneath the benches backbone of the meat industry. While the 3094 Meat Industry Act (20 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill

producer can sell his cattle on the hoof, he cattle, and cattle tagged in that way cannot be would have a lot of trouble without the killed in recognised abattoirs. The reason I honesty, sweat and sincere effort of meat­ am raising the matter here is to congratulate workers in the industry. Anyone who goes the Minister for placing all of our slaughter­ to the meatworks and sees the conditions houses under the control of the board. Now under which these men and women work will let us stop all slaughtering of cattle that show understand why I say this. Under the a positive test. This has to be done to protect American conditions a tremendous amount the worker. We also have to do it to protect of water is used, and the men are continually our own industry, because when the Amer­ washing and hosing themselves and their icans eradicate brucellosis from their herds clothes. Naturally there is a lot of grease they will not take cattle from countries where about, and as a result I think the accident brucellosis is present in the meat. They have compensation rate for meatworkers is prob­ already said that. I have read statements­ ably the highest in the community. These ! think they were published by the Minister's men suffer a tremendous number of slips and department-relating to this matter, and I bumps, particularly in old-fashioned out-of­ think the Minister answered a question from date meatworks where walking and other me late last year on the subject. In this operations are not smooth. connection, we would not be acting solely to protect the health of the worker in the Then, of course, as I said earlier, the industry; it would also help to save an workers in this industry also fall foul of the export section of the industry which will diseases peculiar to the industry. While I present a problem in the future. was speaking of brucellosis earlier, some hon­ ourable members opposite suggested that I My demand is that we should raise the was wrong. I know that the New Zealand standard of all our meatworks so that it is Government has introduced into its Act pro­ equal to or better than the American stand­ vision for a freezing workers' supplementary ard. I agree that the Americans have been assistance scheme for brucellosis. A scheme rather offensive and officious in the way they known as "The Freezing Workers' Supple­ have implemented their standards here, but mental Assistance Brucellosis Scheme" I believe that they have been under pressure enables freezing workers suffering from from their own rural lobby in order to force clinical brucellosis contracted during the a reduction in import-meat quotas. However, duration of the scheme to receive a payment whether we are talking about the Japanese supplementary to workers' compensation. market, the American market, or any other The problem has therefore been recognised overseas market, it is in our own interest to in that country. ensure that our standards of hygiene are as While speaking about inspection standards high as possible. We should do this in the and the bringing of all slaughterhouses in the interests of our own people. Why should we country under the control of the board, I regard them as second-class people? Amer­ want to make one more point on brucellosis. ican inspectors demand that meat going to I have letters from the Commonwealth the United States market should not be Public Service Meat Inspectors' Association processed on the same line as meat going to in which they speak of the passing of a our market. That is the standard that they member of their union. They say- lay down. Why should our standard be lower than theirs? Why should our own consumers "We have had numerous confirmed cases have to put up with second-rate standards? of brucellosis amongst our members, and Surely our inspection standards should be approximately two months ago the death raised. Large quantites of diseased offal are occured of one of our members who had sold as pet food, but certain people in the suffered the ravages of this vicious disease community, such as pensioners, eat it because for some considerable time. they cannot afford to buy meat. "Although the official certificate issued The honourable member for Belyando at the time of the demise of this member referred to the transport of meat. In stated that his passing was due to Penta­ addition to the cartage of meat in barbitone poisoning, we who knew this the city area. the transport of meat from member before he contracted brucellosis country slaughter-yards, too, gives rise for are in no doubt that the disease contri­ complaint. Quite often an animal that is buted to a very large extent to the severe slaughtered in a country area is thrown into breakdown in his mental health, and the back of a utility, where it lies, amongst subsequent breakup of his marital and the flies, in its own blood. I am sure that family life." some Government members can recall work­ Mr. O'Donnell: I know of a grazier who ing on cattle properties and being told to contracted brucellosis. slaughter a beast early in the morning before it becomes covered with flies. I have no Mr. BURNS: It is common to the industry. doubt that after smoko-time the beast is In New South Wales the tails of all the cattle thrown into the back of a truck and carried on a property are tagged when the testing to the local butcher shop. That type of is completed. We are involved in the eradica­ thing happens in a number of country areas. tion of brucellosis and tuberculosis. In New and the meat from a beast killed in such South Wales a tag is put on the tails of the circumstances is sold in many country Meat industry Act [20 MARCH 1973) Amendment Bill 3095 butcher shops. I have no doubt that it is Mr. SHERRINGTON (Salisbury) (7.25 sold in those shops owned by the honourable p.m.): On the surface, the measure introduced member for Callide. by the Minister appears to be relatively simple inasmuch as it attempts to standardise killing I represent a working-class electorate con­ procedures throughout the State. At the same taining abattoirs and their associated process­ time, one of its very desirable aims is a ing plants. A new meatworks is now in better standard of hygiene in meat process­ the course of construction. The people of, ing. Like other Opposition members who my electorate are interested in centralised have spoken, I believe that the present situa­ killing. They know that the two meatworks tion with the slaughtering of beef and its cannot kill for the whole of the State; how­ subsequent marketing throughout the State ever, they believe that in future the employees well warrants the holding of a properly at Cannon Hill and the new meatworks will constituted inquiry-! hesitate to use the term obtain less work than before As $8,000,000 "Royal Commission" because that is merely is being spent on the new meatworks, which a fashionable term-similar to the one held will house the most modern and hygienic in Queensland in 1928 that led to the estab­ equipment, I believe that the greatest number lishment of the abattoirs. Such an inquiry is of cattle possible should be processed through not only desirable, but almost essential. it. In every phase of the beef industry up to I agree with the report of the New South the t'ime meat is on the consumer's table, Wales parliamentary committee, which dissatisfaction is evident. I have seen dis­ claimed that centralised killing is essential. I satisfaction among meat producers about agree that slaughterhouses must be licensed, their fluctuating fortunes because they are and I commend the Minister for setting out at the mercy of the auctioneers or those who to do that. run the sale yards. I have seen dissatisfaction because a system of weighing meat has not On behalf of housewives, I urge a return been introduced, although I agree with my to the practice of branding and marking meat colleague the honourable member for according to standard so that the consumer Belyando that it is difficult to prov,ide facili­ who knows nothing at all about meat ties for weighing meat without a very large standards is protected from the type of throughput. I have seen tremendous dissatis­ butcher that the honourable member for faction among suburban butchers, particularly Callide would be. He would sell all the old in recent times, who claim that they are at tinners and scraggy bullocks, or any type the mercy of the operators. And no-one of beast he could get his hands on. He can deny the tremendous dissatisfaction represents the anti-consumer type of person among the ordinary consumers. who robs the community by selling meat of If honourable members can cast their minds a very low standard. That type of butcher back to about 1928, they will recaU that we can be seen in the city streets, bludging on had a system of slaughterhouses. We had young couples both of whom have to work problems in getting beef to market without and are forced to buy pre-packed meat at a high incidence of bruising and so on. The lunch-time. Government of the day tackled that problem, While we are talking about improving which was fraught with as many difficulties as inspection standards and bringing the inspec­ there are in the meat industry today, by tion of meat under the control of the Meat establishing an inquiry that investigated every aspect of beef marketing in Queensland. Industry Board, let us also do something for the consumers. We will not always be able The time is long overdue for a &imilar to depend on overseas markets; the time inquiry into the Queensland meat industry. may come when the industry will have to I say that advisedl-y because only recently I depend largely on local markets. These days, was told that one of the reasons for the many people cannot afford to buy steak. Some tremendous increase in the cost of meat to retailers sell what is supposed to be prime­ the consumer was the scarcity of beef, which has arisen over the years because of con­ quality steak. It is displayed under coloured centration on development of overseas lights and sprinkled with fancy powder to markets. This has led to the average member make it look red or pink. Presentation is of the community having to buy cheaper part of the trade. Some retailers even stamp cuts of meat and offal. The public has found, little red or blue stripes on the meat as an within the last two months, that somebody indication of its quality. In Labor's day, realises that a tremendous quantity of offal such stripes used to be stamped onto meat meat is consumed in the community today. according to grade. As well, some mutton is When I say "offal meats", I refer to bullock dressed up as lamb, just as some Government tongues, tripe, liver and so on. policies are dressed up as lamb from time to Mr. Sullivan: Bullock tongue is good eating. time. If the Meat Industry Board is interested in Mr. SHERRINGTON: It is a matter of choice. I personally have no desire to the industry as a whole, it should protect the eat bullock tongue. producer, the meatworker, the wholesaler, the retailer, and, of course, the consumer. An OpPQSition Member interjected. 3096 Meat Industry Act [20 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill

Mr. SHERRINGTON: I do not want to to keep the honourable member for Mt. be unkind tonight. I intend to make a Gravatt in this Parliament, such as the plush very thoughtful contribution to the debate. suburbs of Macgregor-- Of course, if Government members want to tempt me, I can always switch my tactics. Mr. Chinchen: I haven't got Macgregor. Merely because meat is being priced off the Mr. SHERRINGTON: I said "suburbs such table of the average person in the com­ as Macgregor". The honourable member for munity-and I do not care whether Govern­ Mt. Gravatt had it till it was pinched to ment members gain the impression that I am save the political neck of the honourable being political in this matter-- member for Mansfield. A Government Member interjected. Mr. CHAIRMAN: Order! The honourable member has canvassed that point well enough. Mr. SHERRINGTON: If it suits Govern­ ment members to think that I am being Mr. SHERRINGTON: Well, if they want political, fair enough. to box on with me I am quite happy. As I was saying, many people in the community There is no doubt in my mind that average have had to turn to the use of offal meats members of the community, particularly because of sheer necessity, not because of families with a single income, cannot afford choice. They have to do that to eke out the choicer cuts of meat, such as rump steak an existence. These are the people who are and fillet steak. Over the years, these being held to ransom. The retail butchers people have had to turn to the cheaper cuts throughout Brisbane are making the charge and offal meats. I was completely astounded that they, too, are _being held to ransom when my local butcher told me the other by reason of the pnces of offal meats. I day that meat such as ox tongue had risen believe that it is time that an inquiry was in price from 19c a lb. to 54c a lb. That held into this matter. left me completely flabbergasted. Every member of this Assembly recei':'ed Mr. Chinchen: There is only one per a submission from the Meat and Allied animal, you know. Trades Federation, which sought the use of a greater amount of sulphur dioxide for Mr. SHERRINGTON: The honourable the preservation of mince and other meats. member for Mt. Gravatt probably throws They stressed how necessary it was for the his feet under the table and enjoys the community to get fresh mince and sausage best cuts of meat every night in the week. meat, and they put up a strong case to He has dined and wined on the best and be allowed to use an increased amount of he has no appreciation of how the other sulphur dioxide. This was one of the most half lives. To the shrunken and distorted preposterous suggestions that I have ever mind of the honourable member for Mt. heard. Gravatt, his statement that there is only one tongue to a bullock makes a very good Mr. Abern: That is a Health Department after-dinner joke. A goat has only one matter. tongue, too, and the honourable member for Mt. Gravatt seems to be using his very well. Mr. SHERRINGTON: I know it is a Health Department matter. I know the The CHAIRMAN: Order! The honourable honourable member wants to hurry things member for Salisbury knows ful! well that along because the Government has a legisla­ he cannot speak of another honourable mem­ tive programme that it wants to get through. ber in a disparaging way. I ask him to However, I have something to say, and I withdraw those remarks. intend to say it. My point is that pro­ tection should be afforded the community Mr. SHERRINGTON: At no time did I generally in the purchase of meat. My say that the honourable member for Mt. answer to that submission, which I sent to Gravatt was a goat because, if I did, you the C.S.l.R.O., was that there was absolutely would call me into order for doing so. no necessity for the use of increased amounts of sulphur dioxide, because modern refrigera­ The CHAIRMAN: Order! The Chair tion was the answer to the problem. Again has instructed the honourable member to it comes back to the question of who withdraw those remarks. I do not want suffers by this type of action, and again a debate on the issue. He will either the answer is that the one who suffers withdraw his remarks or resume his seat. is the person who cannot afford to buy the better cuts of meat. Mr. SHERRINGTON: I do not mind withdrawing the remarks at all but I cannot Mr. K. J. Hooper: The poor old labourer. be stopped from thinking. [ do not find anything amusing in the Mr. SHERRINGTON: Yes, and the aged remarks of the honourable member. I think person who has to eke out an existence his is a completely unworldly approach, on a pension. which shows that he is totally out of touch Again I return to a point raised by with what happens in the community. It so the honourable member for Lytton. One happens that I represent areas that are far of the decisions made by the Government le'is affluent than those designed specifically to the detriment of consumers was the Meat Industry Act (20 MARCH 1973] Amendment Bill 3097 abolition of compulsory grading of meat. Mr. SHERRINGTON: Yes, and a pro­ I heard the honourable member for Callide cessor. Under the present set-up, a butcher say that the housewife was the best judge might get through one, one and a half of beef. But how can the ordinary house­ or two carcasses a week. He finds it neces­ wife tell whether she is or is not getting sary to buy accordingly on the hoof, to first-grade meat? So many strains of cattle have the cattle treated, and finally to sell have been introduced to this State over the meat through his shop. If he is not the years that the texture and grain of purchasing on his own behalf, he purchases meat have been completely changed. I from an operator or an agent. Therefore, hazard a guess that the ordinary people­ he is completely at the mercy of that agent and I include the Minister and myself in in the price he pays for his beef, and that category--could not tell whether meat at present there is no brake on the price was of good or poor quality. that may be charged to the consumer. It is a wonder that the Committee has not Mr. Sullivan: You speak for yourself, and already been entertained, as it has in the I will speak for myself. past, by howls about healthy competition Mr. SHERRINGTON: I know that, keeping prices down. because I happen to know that the Minister As I said, one of the questions to be is a sheepman. How can the ordinary determined by an inquiry should be whether housewife know whether she is getting first, the abattoir as it stands is adequately serving second, or third-grade meat? All she knows the needs of the producer and the consumer, at present is that she is being slugged or whether it should become the purchasing first-grade prices. agent and act as agent between the purchaser and the retail butcher shops. Only an inquiry Mr. Sullivan: The average housewife is into all matters such as these would establish pretty intelligent when it comes to buying whether beef is now being marketed in the meat. best interests of both the producer and Mr. SHERRINGTON: I do not dispute the consumer. that, but the philosophy of the Government is that a person who goes shopping has to Hon. V. B. SULLIVAN (Condamine­ be an expert on everything. If he wants Minister for Primary Industries) (7.44 p.m.), to buy a refrigerator, he has to be an expert in reply: Quite an interesting debate has refrigeration mechanic. If he wants to buy developed, and it would appear that hon­ meat, he has to be a meat expert. If he ourable members on both sides of the wants to buy any commodity at all, he has Chamber have readily accepted the pro­ to be an expert in that field. Under the posals that are contained in the Bill. policy followed by the Government, it is The honourable member for Isis, the not prepared to protect the consumer to Opposition's spokesman on primary industry the extent of letting him know if he is matters, rightly said that he would hold his buying first, second, or third-grade meat. options open until he had an opportunity I think it is completely foolhardy to expect to examine the Bill. He said that he that all housewives in the community can might possibly enlarge on certain points at make an accurate estimate of the grade of the second-reading stage. meat that they are purchasing. I believe that all honourable members In again calling for an inquiry, I point readily accept the proposal to allow for out to the Committee that the situation here the setting up of regional meat areas. This is similar to that in the bread manufacturing will provide for further centralised killing industry. Nobody has a clear indication of in certain areas. what is involved in the marketing of meat in I do not propose to deal individually with this State. Many people have said to me the contributions of honourable members, that meat prices would be much cheaper because the debate developed a rather unusual but for the fact that meat has to go through pattern. Certain members provoked other the abattoir. They are completely unaware members, and I think that they probably that the abattoir acts only as a killing agent. answered one another, at least to their own They think that all meat is processed at satisfaction. Many matters mentioned were the abattoir and that the retail butcher pur­ outside the ambit of the Bill. To cover chases his side of beef or carcass, or what­ the very wide field canvassed would be a ever it might be, from there. lengthy job, but in my second-reading speech In my opinion, an inquiry is very neces­ I will deal with a number of the points sary because I am beginning to be convinced that have been raised. that the role that the abattoir plays could Centralised killing and meat quality seem well be considered-whether it should con­ to be the matters that are exercising the tinue merely to play the role of a slaughter­ minds of most honourable members. Of ing agent, or whether it might be desirable course, there is the fear of over-centralisation that all meat processed in the community be and the disappearance from the scene of the sold through the abattoir, which would then, individual slaughterhouse in certain areas. in effect, become a purchasing agent. Probably I would be remiss if I did not say Mr. Sullivan: Did you say a purchaser of that slaughterhouses, whether they be for the livestock? individual butcher or for four or five 3098 Stock Act and Other (20 MARCH 1973] Acts Amendment Bill butchers, are under the supervision of in­ Acts 1946 to 1965 in certain particulars; spectors of my department. The hygiene in to repeal the Pig Industry Act of 1933 many small slaughterhouses is as good as will and the Buffalo Fly Control Acts 1941 be found in bigger meatworks. I entirely to 1965 and to provide for matters agree that the standards of quality and incidental thereto." hygiene of meat sold to the consuming public At 31 March 1972 the livestock population in Queensland and in Australia should be as of Queensland comprised approximately high as those applicable to export meat. 14,600,000 sheep, 8,400,000 beef cattle, It is impossible to have every requirement 600,000 dairy cattle, and 500,000 pigs. With met. I am familiar with many small generally good seasonal conditions during slaughterhouses in country areas, and I the last twelve months over much of the believe that the butchers do a good job, State, sheep and beef-cattle numbers can although some of them perhaps leave some­ be expected to have increased. Since the thing to be desired. Generally speaking the beginning of July 1972, average wool prices butcher is proud of his little domain and have doubled, with a corresponding increase makes a very genuine endeavour to present in sheep values. In the same period beef his beef to the public in a hygienic condition. and cattle prices have risen by one-third. There are not too many country towns that For the year 1971-72 the total value do not have more than one butcher shop. of recorded production from livestock in This is where competition brings protection Queensland was approximately $345,000,000, to the public. If one butcher is dishing up with an additional $27,000,000 deriving from poor meat, the buying public will soon deal the sale of eggs and poultry. In addition to with the other butcher. supplying local requirements for meat, wool The honourable member for Isis indicated and dairy products, the livestock industries that he wants to hold his options open. It is provided a major portion of the export difficult for honourable members to discuss income of the State. Clearly the health a Bill at the introductory stage before they and production capacity of our livestock are have had an opportunity to examine it. I of vital importance to the economy of the hope that at the second-reading stage, because State. of the divergence of matters discussed in relation to meat generally at this stage, As some diseases of livestock are trans­ Mr. Speaker will not have so much difficulty missible to man, there is also an important in keeping honourable members to matters public health aspect to the matter. Australia contained in the Bill. They have had a pretty has long enjoyed substantial freedom from fair run at this stage. the more serious infectious diseases that have plagued the livestock of many other Mr. Burns: That is a reflection on the countries. This may be ascribed to the fact Chair. that we are an island continent and for Mr. SULLIVAN: It is not a reflection on many years now have imposed strict the Chair. I did not say that honourable quarantine measures on the importation of members did not stick to the Bill in their animals and animal products. However, the speeches at this stage. As the honourable speed and volume of air and sea-borne member knows, the debate is very wide at traffic with other countries is increasing to the introductory stage so that honourable such an extent as to threaten the security members can talk about almost anything at afforded by our island situation. all. On this occasion most honourable mem­ If exotic diseases such as foot and mouth bers have covered a wide field, so I do not disease, bluetongue, rinderpest and rabies think Mr. Speaker should have any difficulty were to be introduced, there could be the at all at the second-reading stage, which I most serious consequences for livestock look forward to with interest. owners and the State. Quite apart from Motion (Mr. Sullivan) agreed to. exotic diseases, Queensland has a continuing Resolution reported. problem with the cattle tick and diseases such as brucellosis and tuberculosis. Cattle FIRST READING tick is estimated to cost the State at least Bill presented and, on motion of Mr. $30,000,000 per year. Sullivan, read a first time. Eradication of brucellosis and tuberculosis STOCK ACT AND OTHER ACTS becomes increasingly important in the face of AMENDMENT BILL prospective restrictions on the export of our meat to countries that have already eradicated INITIATION IN COMMITTEE these diseases or are on the point of doing (The Chairman of Committees, Mr. Lickiss, so. It is vital, therefore, that Queensland Mt. Coot-tha, in the chair) have a well-trained and skilful disease control service with adequate professional, technical Hon. V. B. SULLIVAN (Condamine­ and clerical components. Adequate funds Minister for Primary Industries) (7.50 p.m.): and legislative backing to allow that service I move- to operate effectually are a prerequisite. "That a Bill be introduced to amend The disease control service is located in the the Stock Acts 1915 to 1965 in certain Division of Animal Industry of my particulars; to amend the Poultry Industry depar:tment. It is financed in large measure Stock Act and Other [20 MARCH 1973] Acts Amendment Bill 3099 from the Stock Fund, which is established Apart from the many matters of lesser under the Stock Act. In addition, research importance that can be dealt with during the into animal health and production, as well as Committee stages, there are, I suggest, some husbandry advisory services for the cattle, 11 major matters that I should bring to the sheep and pig industries, and, in part, the Committee's attention at this stage. poultry industry, are also financed from that fund. These relate to the issue of permits to travel stock; the completion of waybills to Disease control measures include investiga­ accompany travelling stock; the quarantining tion of outbreak of diseases in the field and of properties on account of disease; the sale laboratory, testing and treatment of stock and of diseased stock; the identification and the mammoth task of oversighting all stock traceback of stock offered for sale, to their movements and stock sales throughout property of origin; the containment and Queensland. examination of suspected stock; the testing The principal source of income for the or retesting and the treatment of stock in Stock Fund is assessments levied on stock declared areas; the registration and control owned on 1 January in each year. These of cattle dips; the registration and control assessments have remained unchanged since of garbage feeding piggeries; the repeal of 1965. They are subsidised 80 cents in the the Pig Industry Act and the amendment of dollar from Consolidated Revenue. For the Poultry Industry Act. several years now the moneys available from In the matter of stock permits, the problem these sources have been insufficient for of their issue during the absence of an requirements. As a consequence, special inspector from his headquarters will be injections of finance from the Treasury have alleviated by a proposed amendment to been necessary. In 1971-72 the amount was $1,600,000. authorise persons to sign permits on behalf of inspectors, subject, of course to such safe­ Certain disease control activities of the guards as are considered necessary to obviate Division of Animal Industry are financed by risk of spreading disease. What is in mind a charge on the sale of cattle .that is provided here is that a clerk, or other responsible for under the Buffalo Fly Control Act. As person in an inspector's office, will be em­ its name indicates, this Act was originally powered to sign permits on behalf of the designed (in 1941) primarily to prevent the inspector. spread of buffalo fly from no!'th-westem Queensland to other parts of the State. A further amendment will allow a drover However, after some delay, the fly has long to travel stock so long as he has in his since spread to the climatic and biological possession a duly completed waybill. This limits of its ability to survive. will apply only in a situation where applica­ tion has been made to an inspector for the For some time now .the moneys available issue of a permit to cover the proposed from the Buffalo Fly Fund have been used in journey, and his consent obtained to such part for the control of cattle tick and other travel without the permit, and, finally, subject diseases of cattle; that is, as a complementary to the serial number of the permit being fund to the Stock Fund. However, in con­ endorsed on the waybill. This concession will trast to the Stock Fund, no endowment is pay­ not be extended generally, but only in genuine able from Consolidated Revenue on moneys cases of stock movements having to be received into the Buffalo Fly Fund. It is arranged at short notice. I am sure that many therefore proposed to repeal the Buffalo Fly honourable members representing country Control Act as from 30 June, 1973, and areas, and the more remote areas, will consequently to discontinue charges there­ readily agree that this is a very worth-while under, and to transfer the balance in the inclusion. Buffalo Fly Control Fund at that date to the Stock Fund, where as part of the Stock The great increase in movements of stock assessment it will attract endowment. by motor transport operating in convoy has created problems in the provision of stock The Bill then provides for an increase in permits and waybills covering such move­ the rate of endowment of the Stock Fund ments. Legal opinion is that stock travelling to $2 for every $1 of stock assessment as one consignment between two points con­ received. At the same time the present stitute a single movement irrespective of the maximum rates of assessment on stock will number of transporting units involved. If be removed. the drover or the person in charge has a single permit and waybill covering all those So much for the financial aspects of the units, that is all that is required legally Bill. I propose to deal now with measures designed to enable the disease control service However, to enable some control of convoy to operate to better advantage in future than movements, a practice has grown up whereby has been possible in the past. each driver, other than the person in charge, At the same time I will refer to proposed is asked to carry a copy of the waybill amendments that are designed to recognise endorsed with the number of the permit to and provide for long-standing industry cover the stock on his vehicle. It is pro­ attitudes and practices; also changed posed to legalise this practice by an appro­ circumstances. priate amendment to the Acts and, at the 3100 Stock Act and Other (20 MARCH 1973] Acts Amendment Bill

same time, to require replacement of a way­ diseases and kinds of stock to which war­ bill that is lost or destroyed in the course of ranty will apply. Related provisions in the a journey. Pig Industry Act will be dispensed with following repeal of that Act and in the In some cases of movement of stock it has Poultry Industry Act following its amend­ been ascertained that a waybill was provided ment. in which the details relating to the movements ~ere falsified ...It is therefore proposed to Increasingly, the results of inspection of mclude a proviSion to make it an offence for cattle slaughtered at abattoirs are being used any person to enter false information on a to give point and direction to disease-control waybill or for a drover to have a waybill in programmes. Of course, success depends on his possession knowing it contains false the ability of staff to identify the slaughtered information. Among the provisions in the stock with the property of origin. In this Act relating to waybills is one specifying that connection the Bill provides for the eventual an owner shall supply his drover with a duly introduction of a system of identification completed waybill. There has been some based on back-tagging with tags bearing a legal argument that this does not necessarily shire and registered property number. require that the details relate to the stock Diseases and parasites cannot be dealt actually being travelled. with effectively unless the stock can be con­ To try to settle this argument there has fined to the property to which they belong. been included in the Bill a provision to make There must also be facilities to allow of the owner responsible for entering on the their effective and safe examination. The waybill supplied to a drover a full and Bill therefore empowers the Minister, when accurate description of the stock to be satisfied that the control of a disease requires travelled. For clarity, I might mention that that stock be contained, to require the owner the word "drover" would also include the to make the boundary of his holding stock­ driver of a vehicle. proof. There is also authority to require the erection of a crush or race to enable the While on the one hand assisting the disease safe and effective examination of stock. control service and the honest and straight­ forward stock owner (who let me hasten to The present Act gives inspectors power say constitutes the very great majority), these to order treatment of stock, such as by new measures relating to permits and waybills vaccination, to prevent disease spreading. will make things more difficult for those who Their power to order testing is however are engaged in stock stealing or the illegal limited. The Bill seeks to adjust this use of stock. deficiency. Having his holding placed in quarantine There are believed to be some 5,800 has always been very upsetting to Queensland plunge cattle dips in Queensland and some stockowners. To the minds of many of 1,050 fixed power-operated spray dips. Only them, there is a quasi-criminal connotation a handful of these are under official control. to :he wnole thing, and this does not con­ In view of the current resistant-tick prob­ duce to co-operation with and good will lem, and fears that inefficient dipping may towarus the disease-control service. In an be accentuating that problem, it is proposed endeavour to overcome this very undesirable to require that all cattle dips be registered state of affairs, the Bill provides for an and their use made subject to prescribed undertaking in lieu of quarantine. Under requirements. this proposal the owner of a holding that The feeding of garbage to pigs offers an would otherwise be quarantined undertakes ever-present risk of disease outbreaks. In in writing to comply with the provisions of some countries the practice is outlawed. While the Act relating to quarantines and with all it is not intended to go that far in Queens­ directions and orders given in respect to his land, it is proposed to make the practice holding and stock. By so doing he is subject to a system of registration and pre­ reliev~d of what is regarded by many as the stigma of quarantine. It is confidently scribed requirements. predicted that this measure will be very By virtue of provisions in the Stock Act well received by stock-owners. and the Meat Industry Act, the Pig Industry In Queensland it is a condition on the Act has become largely redundant. As I sale of cattle that they do not have tuber­ mentioned earlier, there is a condition of sale culosis, brucellosis, or mastitis. The buyer provision in this Act that is used widely has 30 days to establish the fact of their being to this day. However, it is unsatisfactory affected with tuberculosis and seven days in in a number of respects and its better features the case of both brucellosis and mastitis. will be taken care of in the Bill. It is for The provision has been used somewhat these reasons that the repeal of the Pig Industry Act is proposed. Poultry diseases ~nfairly a! ti!lles and it is proposed to make It less bmdmg by having it refer to a control is now an integral part of the Division warranty instead of a condition of sale. of Animal Industry's disease-control service centred in the Veterinary Services Branch. At the same time the section concerned For this reason, the disease-control pro­ will be made more flexible by providing for vision of the Poultry Industry Act should the specification by Order in Council of be the concern of the Chief Inspector of Stock Act and Other (20 MARCH 1973] Acts Amendment Bill 3101

Stock in terms of the Stock Act. The Bill rabies have not been introduced into this provides for this, and also for transfer of country. If honourable member.s think that the reference to sale of diseased poultry to is unfair criticism, I invite them to cast their the appropriate section of the Stock Act. minds back to the installation of incinerators This is a wide-ranging Bill heavily studded at ports throughout Queensland and Australia. with matters of considerable moment to all I have seen many risks taken at ports with those who have the welfare of the livestock the discharge of refuse and many identifiable industry at heart. I believe it to be pro­ objects that could have carried disease when gressive, and in some respects overdue. no suitable receptacles or incinerators were Recently we have seen the conclusion of available. This matter has been raised and the programme for the eradication of pleuro­ emphasised not only by members of the pneumonia from our cattle. Currently, we Opposition but also by honourable members are engaged on the eradication of brucellosis on the Government benches, and I think it is and tuberculosis. If these and similar under­ fair to say that it is because of Australia's takings are to succeed, those engaged in their insulation by salt water that serious diseases direction and supervision must have means have not been introduced up to date. As and resources adequate to the task. the Minister pointed out, this country is no The Bill is calculated to be of significant longer as isolated as it used to be, and help in that regard, and I commend it to control measures must be improved and the Committee. increased because of quicker methods of travel, particularly air travel. Mr. SLAKE (Isis) (8.12 p.m.): Although I When it is estimated that the cattle tick cannot recall the Minister's exact words, there alone costs Queensland at least $30,000,000 is no doubt, as he said, that the Bill is a year, it is easy to accept the provision for very wide-ranging in content. Quite frankly. it is beyond my capacity to digest everything more disease control measures, wh.ether the in the Minister's preamble. cost is supplemented by t·he Treasury or whether it is met directly from the pockets The purpose of the Bill is quite obvious, of the producers. It is beyond comprehension because it is seen that the various stock what mOTe serious diseases could cost the levies have outgrown not their usefulness, State if they became effective here, even but the purpose for which they were originally temporarily. levied. Since the beginning of July 1972, There has been an awareness in Australia the average wool price has doubled, and for some time of the need to eradi·cate there have been corresponding increases in brucellosis and tuberculosis. Of course, sheep values. These developments will, of tuberculosis has been tackled in dairy herds course, place the industry in a better position to accept the modifications to the levies. for many years, and I suppose the demands of our overseas customers have forced upon It is rather interesting to note that the us very recently, and perhaps very suddenly. total value of recorded production from the need to eradicate brucellosis from beef livestock in Queensland was approximately cattle. I think it would be fair to say that $345,000,000 in 1971-72, with an additional if it is not eliminated promptly and reason­ $27,000,000 deriving from the sale of eggs able supplies of clean meat are available and poultry. This paragraph in the Minister's elsewhere, Australia's customers will turn to speech indicates that there is now a sensible those sources. As a matter of fact, I suspect approach to levies, and the relationship of that some of this country's market would be in:lustries such as the poultry industry with lost now if its customers could get meat in other livestock industries. In the past, in the quantities they require from somewhere our minds as well as in the setting up of else; but, of course, they cannot. various disease control funds, there has been a tendency to keep these industries separated. Technical services have to be provided with I can see that it is now a better concent adequate funds. When it is realised what to lump them together. · happens in other countries when a major The importance of primary industry to exotic disease strikes, it is obvious that no this nation, more particularly to this State, cost is too great to update the control cannot be overlooked, and diseases and their measures to meet the increasing danger of the control are perhaps of greater importance infiltration of disease. The services are verv in Queensland than they are in other more wide ranging, and many honourable member-s industrialised areas. It is true that, to date. who have seen the research that is carr:ed Queensland has been fortunate in not havin;, out and the policing that goes on appreciate the more serious infectious diseases. When the inadequacy of a separate levy and the I say "fortunate", I am not casting anv need for a greater contribution by the aspersions on previous disease control Treasury. It is a matter for great approba­ measures; I think this good fortune has been tion, therefore, that the Treasury is coming rightly attributed to the fact that ours is to the party, so to speak, and showing a an island continent. However, some of the greater sense of responsibility in r·ecognising control measures in the past left a lot to the need for control measures and making a be desired. bigger contribut:on towards their cost. Perhaps a lot of good fortune is attached The principal source of income for the to the fact that serious diseases such as policing of disease was the Stock Fund, by foot and mouth, bluetongue, rinderpest and way of assessments levied on stock-owners at 3102 Stock Act and Other (20 MARCH 1973) Acts Amendment Bill

1 January each year. The fact that these of each vehicle, however, must have a copy have remained unchanged since 1965 does of the waybill filled out, and the number of not indicate in itself that there is a need the permit has to be on that waybill. for change simply because of lapse of time, but there is a need for change because of Mr. BLAKE: Now I understand. The changing circumstances. The amount of Minister meant the details of his particular $1,600,000 in 1971-72 from the Treasury is vehicle. In saying that a certain number not significant when one works out the com­ of vehicles might be used, he did not mean plete cost of providing the necessary services. transferring different numbers of stock into The Buffalo Fly Control Act, originally vehicles of different capacity. That is what enacted in 1941, must necessarily be out of I thought he meant. date, and the spread of the buffalo fly justifies transferring the balance in that to the Stock Mr. Sullivan: No. Several vehicles might Fund to assist with more urgent control be travelling in a road train. There are measures. It was said by the Minister that good reasons for this. There _might be_ a these measures are proposed to enable the breakdown of one of the vehicles, which disease control service to operate better and could be Ieft behind without any permit. to greater advantage in the future. That is understandably a purpose of the Bill. Mr. BLAKE: That is a fair clarification I particularly noted what the Minister said and I welcome it. about making it easier for honest stock­ Dealing with the undertaking in ~ieu of owners to complete waybills, even though quarantine, I think the Minister sa1d that the onus of supplying correct information has this is an endeavour to overcome a state become more or less the responsibility of the of affairs that might imply some undesirable stock-owner. It is rather hard to differentiate connotation. If a man is moving stock out between the honest stock-owner and the of a quarantine area, he may have some dishonest stock-owner. Of course, we know surreptitious or guilty feeling about the the honest stock-owner is in the majority, as matter. The Bill will relieve him of this the Minister said. I had intended to ask a and allow him to give an undertakin_g i_n question before the Bill was introduced about lieu of quarantine. I agree that this JS tightening up on the requirements of waybills indeed a very good idea. Further, I agree as a deterrent to motorised cattle-duffing, with the provision under which the Minist~r which we know is prevalent. In view of the has power to force any stock-owner to smt­ increased value of beef and wool, we can ably fence his land so that stock can be expect cattle-duffing to become more preva­ kept within the property and prevented from lent if there are no deterrents. I should have spreading disease in other areas. thought that the greatest deterrent would Even if the Minister has the power to have been stricter requirements in the com­ order somebody to properly fence a property pletion of waybills. While I appreciate the and so prevent the straying of stock, I doubt attempt to simplify the matter, I am wonder­ whether he has exercised it on many occa­ ing if, in fact, it would mitigate the growing sions. We know it has been the practice practice of motorised cattle-duffing. I cer­ to prohibit the movement of stock but, up tainly cannot give an informed opinion on until the present, if this direction had been this, because we have no detail other than given, it would probably have been claimed the brief comment of the Minister in his by some people that it was an infringement introductory remarks. of human rights, just as the wearing of a safety belt is sometimes referred to as an The Minister said that there has to be infringement of the rights of the individual. some control of convoy movements, and that I know that the average property owner in the practice has grown up whereby each the past would not have felt too kindly about driver is responsible, other than the person being ordered to suitably fence his property in charge, for the correct format of the because his cattle had what he considered waybill. I cannot quite follow why the to be a not very important disease or a driver, other than the person in charge, is disease which he knew to be quite prevalent. responsible, unless the person in charge is not I think the time has come when this provision travelling with the stock. I do not know should be applied in the over-all interests whether the Minister meant to imply that the of the stock industry. person in charge is the owner of the stock. I also think it is quite fitting that, as a I am not quite clear on that. I may have got matter of the control of disease, cattle dips the wrong impression about easing the should be inspected and the owners forced requirements of the waybill. Perhaps the to bring them up to regulation standard. purpose of the Bill is to streamline them and To date there has been a certain laxity in make them more effective. Certainly I should this regard, no doubt brought about by the think that an easing of the requirements belief that we should not interfere too much would not be in the best interests of lawful with a person in the operation of his own trade. property. I feel that. if this provision had been applied earlier, the tick menace as we Mr. Sullivan: What is meant is that a road know it today would not be costing as much train containing quite a number of vehicles as it is and would not be as widespread will require only one permit. The driver as it is. Stock Act and Other [20 MARCH 1973} Acts Amendment Bill 3103

I think most honourable members have the Government's responsibility to pave the seen tick lines established along certain rivers way in the eradication of stock diseases. and other geographical features in the belief Both brucellosis and tuberculosis have been that poison-resistent ticks could be held within referred to. Unless our herds and flocks a certain area. However, due to circum­ can be declared free of those and other stances with which we are not fully con­ diseases, our State will be denied access versant these ticks have migrated across the to many overseas markets. The Government line time and time again, just as did the has already shown the way in combating free-ranging buffalo fly, and the boundaries these diseases, and it is to be commended have had to be extended further and further. for having done so. The provisions that will compel a property­ owner to contain his stock and allow greater We should support any consolidation of supervision to be exercised over dips will Acts under which these eradication schemes meet with the approval of anyone interested operate. The financing of some of them will in the welfare of the livestock industry. create a problem, but the stock industries will have to co-operate with the Government. I was going to refer to what I would Efforts are being made to eradicate disease have termed a minor provision in the Bill, from herds for the mutual benefit of all in namely the one that relates to the feeding the industry, especially in the retaining of of garbage to pigs. On second thoughts, access to all markets. Problems already exist however, I consider it to be one of some with interstate stock travel and tuberculosis. importance, because, after all, pig-meat I am sure that, in the circumstances, most must be fit for human consumption. The people realise that something must be done Minister has said that in some overseas quickly. countries the feeding of garbage to pigs is outlawed. Although in Queensland it is Certain problems have been encountered not intended to prohibit it, we should in the Government's tuberculosis eradication certainly lay down certain standards. I scheme in that it is a voluntary scheme. It is should imagine that they will be detailed not working as well as it could in some areas, in the Bill. although it is working fairly well. I am not too sure of the final answer to certain The measure is a wide-ranging one, and anomalies or weaknesses in it. I am con­ I suggest that we will need to give it cerned about an area in which there has been very close scrutiny to become conversant a lot of co-operation in implementing the with its provisions. scheme, with the result that most of the cattle In conclusion, I should like to return to in the area have been tested. However, it the incidence of brucellosis in cattle. As I should be remembered that the scheme said before, as a result of the demands applies only to female cattle. When a com­ made by our overseas beef customers, we plete shire or region has been tested and have become very aware of this disease. declared free, I should imagine that the As was said in an earlier debate, owing to whole region would be declared a free area. the great health risk involved, the disease However, there could well be some properties should be fought immediately. in the shire or region on which there are no female cattle; they could be running only (Time expired.) male cattle. Mr. CORY (Warwick) (8.33 p.m.): I I should like the Minister tO- tell me how support the measure as one that will stream­ property-owners could have their properties line and bring up to date many of the declared tuberculosis free if they do not run procedures involved in the livestock industry. female cattle, which are the only cattle The repeal of the Pig Industry Act and the encompassed by the scheme. I appreciate Buffalo Fly Control Act is a first step in that property-owners can pay for tests so this direction. This Bill will bring disease­ that the properties can be declared free of control measures under one Act of Parlia­ disease, but at present there is no compulsion ment and under one basic authority. Such in this direction. Knowing that there are a consolidation is worth while. certain properties in this situation, I am wondering what their position will be in the A provision of some importance ,; the future. one that allows funds created under the various Acts to attract a Treasury endow­ The Government's system of providing ment. This will increase the sum of money free Strain-19 vaccinations to control brucel­ that is available and, in turn, the amount of losis is well worth while. However, many research work that can be carried out. female cattle that have been vaccinated with Strain-19 in recent years were obviously well The basic purpose of the Bill is the above the age of cattle now considered elig­ control of disease in the livestock industry. ible for this vaccination. On many properties Every support must be given to the exten­ it is not easy for owners to have the stock sion, research and inspectorial work that is vaccinated before they are six months of age, necessary in the control of disease. The which we are told is the eligible age for prevalence of disease in livestock would vaccination. For older cattle, the sug­ result in the closure of both interstate and gestd alternative is 45/20 brucellosis overseas markets to the stockowners. This vaccine, because it leaves no lesions. But is apparent at present, so I suggest it is property-owners have to pay for this vaccine. 3104 Stock Act and Other [20 MARCH 1973] Acts Amendment Bill

I am wondering what problems would arise writing on it is not in the hands of the drover, if 45/20 was included as a free vaccine but a permit has been issued-that is the under the eradication plan. It is very difficult important thing-and the waybill still has to for a property-owner to have all his heifers be completed in exactly the same way as it inoculated at an early age. I am not criticis­ would have been if the person had had the ing the scheme, as I believe it is extremely permit issued to him with the waybill filled useful and is providing an excellent lead. in on the reverse side. However, it would be more complete in its operation and effect if older cattle could be The person who has no ready access to a vaccinated with 45/20. town can now obtain the right to move his stock S'imply by telephoning for a permit. I should like to see the department receive The permit is issued, and the number is more publicity on what it is trying to achieve delivered to him. He has to supply a way­ by these eradication schemes. It is terribly bill and he can move his stock. This important that our livestock industries should procedure is as safe as requiring him to share in these schemes to the utmost. I drive some miles to town, obtain a permit, believe that they are not publicised suffic­ return to his property, and then move his iently, and that many stockowners are still stock. It makes no difference to the authen­ not aware of what the department is trying ticity of the movement. The former system to do. Those industries, of course, have a was simply a clumsy way of arriving at the responsibility to assist themselves in this result that will be achieved under the Bill. regard, but more publicity may achieve the result we are all looking for. I should like to mention also the issuing of special permits for the crossing of roads As the Minister said, the Treasur_y endow­ by stock where a landowner has property on ment paid into the Stock Fund was 80c both sides of a road. Special permits of in the dollar. Some years ago, particularly this type are issued for periods of six months. after 1965 and during the drought years, it Considerable trouble has arisen from the was hoped that further assistance could be severance of properties by roads and high­ given in this direction. Because of the con­ ways. I know that there is a movement dition of the industry, it was obviously within the Main Roads Department to have impossi.ble to increase the levy payable on such stock movements limited, and in some stock numbers. We were very pleased that cases stopped altogether. In many cases the Treasury "came to the party" after these properties have been severed for the first years by providing an amount over and time by new roads, leaving landholders with above the 80c in the dollar to keep the land on both sides of a road, and, as I Stock Fund viable. say, there is pressure within the Main Roads I am particularly pleased to support the Department at present to recommend that proposal to include the extra endowment in permits not be issued for the crossing of the terms of the fund itself. The collections these roads by stock. paid into the Stock Fund last year amounted to approximately $800,000 or $900,000, while No stockowner would idly have stock on the Treasury injected $1,600,000 into it. With such a road. No-one wants to travel stock the inclusion of equivalent amounts of money on roads and highways today, because of from other industries collected under the the obvious danger~ inherent in such move­ buffalo fly tax and the pig industry tax, both ment. It is no joke to have stock on a of which now attract endowment as well, the busy road today. Stock Fund will again be completely viable Mr. Gunn: The Main Roads Department and will be more· able than ever before to favours underpasses. cope with the increasing expenses of the eradication schemes, which are so necessary. Mr. CORY: For practical purposes, stock The proposed change in the issue of stock have to be moved across such roads. The permits is a good idea. T-he Minister answered honourable member for Somerset says that the comments of the honourable member for the Main Roads Department favours under­ Isis, who was not in favour of any easing passes. That is true; I favour them, too, in the issue of stock permits or waybills. I and have recommended them in this could not agree more. However, the proposal Chamber. But I should like to see an does not ease the conditions. It must be underpass that is satisfactory for all types made clear that anybody who moves stock of stock. Although an underpass may seem and would previously have been required to large enough, it is invariably a physical hold a stock permit still must have a com­ impossibility for ordinary paddock stock to pleted and satisfactory waybill, which is the pass through it. The principle is excellent, most important voucher of all. Before a but more thought has to be directed to stockowner or stock drover can move cattle finding a satisfactory underpass. Until this a p~rmit must be issued and S'igned by ~ happens, primary producers do not want a 9ual~fied officer. The number of the permit system that denies them the right to obtain 1s given to the person who fills out the permits to cross stock from one side of waybill, and is included on it. a road to the other. T-here is no doubt about the safeguards. I should like to mention what I consider Stock movements must still be registered and to be good work by the Department of known, The actual piece of paper with the Primary Industries in the management of tick Stock Act and Other [20 MARCH 1973} Acts Amendment Bill 3105 regulations and tick buffer-zones in Queens­ Act and the Buffalo Fly Control Act. I agree land. I am speaking of areas along the wholeheartedly with the suggestion of the Great Dividing Range, which is in close honourable member for Warwick that the proximity to the tick area and where occa­ items mentioned by the Minister and the sionally there are scares of ticks coming principles of the Bill should be made known down valleys from the range. The system to every stockowner throughout the State. As under which a stockowner can have a free the Minister for Conservation, Marine and inspection and spraying of his stock, and Aboriginal Affairs, who is now in charge of then obtain a permit to shift them, is working the Chamber, knows, I have frequently men­ very satisfactorily and is of great help. tioned the possibility of publishing a supple­ [n addition to working satisfactorily from ment to the journal of the Irrigation and the individual stockowner's point of view, it Water Supply Commission to tell people has also kept the tick boundary where it what they may and may not do with natural was originally along the range. Climatic watercourses. In this instance, perhaps a conditions play an important part, too, but pamphlet could be issued to graziers to [ believe that these regulations, which are make them au fait with the situation. really not very stringent, have been most effective. In his introductory remarks, the Minister I should now like to mention some of mentioned the eradication of disease by the the Queensland-New South Wales border use of registered dips. The stock inspector crossings, particularly the crossing of stock stationed at Tully inspected certain dips in from New South Wales into Queensland. the area, and in one instance-! recall this I understand it will now be possible to vividly-the grazier pointed out to people obtain a clearance through the border on who were watching a bull go through the dip shorter notice to the stock inspector than that it was swimming high. Most of the 48 hours. This is very necessary. In these brahman cows went fully into the water and days of fast transport, stock purchased in seemed to be swimming. When the stock New South Wales can be at the border in inspector made an inspection he found that the a matter of hours. It is ridiculous to bull was walking along the bottom of the keep them in a yard, possibly without dip, which was supposed to be 10 feet deep. food or water, for the next 48 hours before The inspector ordered the dip to be cleaned, they can be shifted. I am pleased to see because a certain quantity of chemical has to that provision is being made to improve be used in a certain number of gallons of this situation. water in a dip, and a poisonous residue could have been left when insufficient water was !n conclusion, I should like to mention used. the system of back-tagging of cattle under which TB-free herds sold £or store purposes Although that very enthusiastic stock have free access to New South Wales or inspector was stationed at Tully, which is other. areas of Queensland. This system is surrounded by my electorate, he was informed ~orkmg very well, and it, too, could be by the Minister for Primary Industries that g1ven greater publicity by the department so that more people would be aware of he was being transferred to Innisfail, the h?w it works. Instead of having to put principal town in my electorate, because of gme on !h7. back of !he tag, I suggest that problems that have arisen in that area. the pos~Ib~hty of ysmg an adhesive type In reply to a question by the Tully Shire of t.ag, SI?tiiar to stickers on motor vehicles, Council, the Minister said that the stock be mvestigated. One could then simply tear inspector's transfer to Innisfail was warranted the back off and apply the tag. However although that area had fewer cattle than the the principle is a good one. For the benefit Tully area. It should be remembered also that of those interested in carcass competitions. I King Ranch is in the Tully area. I point out s~ould also cof!ln:ent on the fact that recog­ to the Committee-and this shows the msed show societies can apply for registered stupidity of the boundary drawn by back-tags. "Gerrymander Joh"-that one mile on the I am sure that back-tags will be used southern side of Tully is the other part of more freely in the future, because there is the Mourilyan electorate. In other words, nothing worse than painting a number on a Tully was cut out of what was originally the beast, having it slaughtered, getting blood Mourilyan electorate. On behalf of all the all over the hide, and then trying to read people in that district I make a very strong the number. Back-tags will make the num­ protest at the removal of the stock inspector bers very legible. to Innisfail, where there already was a stock I support the introduction of the Bill, which inspector. I think will contain a number of very bene­ During the previous session I requested ficial amendments. that a typist be made available in my area, to be shared by the stock inspector and Mr. F. P. MOORE (Mourilyan) (8.51 p.m.): the Forestry Department. However, it seems I, too, commend the Minister for introducing that the Justice Department is the only these proposed amendments to the Stock Act, department in North Queensland that is the Poultry Industry Act, the Pig Industry allowed to have typists. The stock inspector 3106 Stock Act and Other [20 MARCH 1973] Acts Amendment Bill still has no typist, and consequently he has hope it is not necessary to get the services to perform duties both inside and outside of a stock inspector every time a racehorse the office. is moved. Mr. R. E. Moore interjected. Mr. N. T. E. Hewitt: It might be a good thing if someone stole some of them Mr. F. P. MOORE: We often hear from occasionally. the "wizard from Windsor", but the "Burdekin duck" puts up a better per­ Mr. F. P. MOORE: It might be a very formance than he does. I know we are not good thing. The owner might collect insur· debating a Bill dealing with irrigation, but ance on them. However, the point is that the honourable member has a great hollow these waybills and stock permits do not only from ear to ear. If only he would be quiet, involve cattle, pigs and so on. They could I would be able to make my point. also involve horses, particularly the greai· steed who is to set foot on the turf. The honourable member for Isis spoke about road-transport duffing. In the last The movement of stock by convoy is 18 months, unknown persons have obtained also very important in my electorate. The stock permits to move cattle which were King Ranch Development Co., which I have later found to have been duffed. In one always commended as having great expertise instance about 24 head were taken. That -although they do a fantastic job they were sort of thing has occurred more than once. virtually given the land-always move: Cattle are being taken down Maria Creek their stock by road train. The Minister for by boat. I am dumbfounded to think that Transport would be interested in this. They this Government would allow a duffer to pay road tax, but every time they move get away with a bond and a fine of $300 1 ,000 head of cattle they seriously damage for duffing 24 head of cattle. If that is the council roads. If they cannot go through an indication of the penalty to be imposed, the Riversdale section into King Ranch, they we will have half the people in North come back through the J arra Creek road. Queensland duffing 24 head of cattle As a result, the council is always in trouble every month and making a lot of money out with the people of Cardstone in my area of it. In the case I referred to, the Crown about having this road repaired. After these appealed and the fine was increased to road trains have used it, it is almost impos'­ $500. That sort of thing never happened ible for light traffic to traverse it. I do in the old days, even though the station­ not know whether stock permits allow for owners never killed their own beef. They this, or whether the road transport fees are may have duffed one or two cattle from one returned to the shires in which the roads another, but they did not go in for duffing in are being destroyed. a big way. In the western part of my electorate, across Cattle-duffing is now a cause of great the Great Dividing Range, road trains travell­ concern in the North and the West, and ing from the West to Mt. Garnet have a hopper hooked on the rear. When they every Country Party member should com­ get to Mt. Garnet, because of the poor con­ plain profusely in this Chamber against dition of the road from there to Herberton, the lightness of the punishment meted out the driver has to drop the hopper and con· to cattle-duffers. Cattle-duffing has reached tinue on to the next destination point, and serious proportions, and when such small then return for the cattle in the second hopper. This is a ridiculous situation, but fines are imposed there must be complaints again this is movement of stock by convoy from all over the State. Even the Mareeba and it is necessary to obtain road transport Rodeo Association has complained profusely permits. about cattle-duffing. How many criminals Why do people from the West travelling convicted of stealing $4,000 worth of pro­ on what is supposed to be a beef road have perty would only be fined $300 and not be to do this? I have often complained about put behind bars? This is something these roads to the Minister for Main Roads. that merits serious consideration by the I cannot see why the road should not be Government. repaired from Mt. Garnet right through to Herberton. Of course, the best road to Mr. N. T. E. Hewitt: This morning the the coast in that area should be the Palmer­ Minister for Justice tabled a paper dealing ston Highway. with stock-stealing. You will be able to The honourable member for Warwick make suggestions on it. spoke about getting permits to move stock across roadways. I have no complaints Mr. F. P. MOORE: The stock-duffers to about that. If the honourable member visited whom I am referring obtained a permit. I the Palmerston Highway, he would soon am referring to one particular duffer. I realise that the dairy farmers in that area do not know if the Bill alters this situation, do not need permits for their stock to but when anyone moves a racehorse in North cross the roads; the cows find their own Queensland he has to obtain a waybill. I way home. I do not think anyone complains Stock Act and Other [20 MARCH 1973] Acts Amendment Bill 3107 about that. We respect Friesian cattle and to a great extent. For that reason, if for no other breeds. To return to the Bill, the other, the Stock Fund assessment is worth movement of stock is very important. while. I have referred to cattle-duffing, which is Dread diseases active in other areas of the a bigger nuisance than ticks or buffalo fly. world such as foot and mouth and bluetongue Cattle-duffers should not be allowed to go would be two of the worst that could enter free after having paid a fine of as little as Australia. One outbreak of foot and mouth $300, or even $500. disease could wreck both the cattle and sheep In the narrow coastal belt it is easy for industries. The measures invoked by depart­ a property-owner to be big, but it is not ments to keep these diseases out of Australia easy for the shire councils to maintain and must be maintained. Although some people repair roads that are knocked about by road say that there is no chance of Australia get­ convoys. By all means grant the property­ ting bluetongue disease, I believe it is always owners stock permits, but at the same time a possibility. Because I see no reason at make sure that the councils are given present for altering them, I contend that the sufficient money to construct better roads that restrictions should be maintained. will be able to withstand heavy transport. Mr. Tucker: A lot of cattle were slaught­ finally, again I make a plea for a wider and ered in Queensland at one stage when there better road from Mt. Garnet to Herberton, was a bluetongue scare. and from Mt. Garnet to Innisfail along the Palmerston Highway. Mr. TOMKINS: That is so. The depart­ ment acted decisively to prevent an outbreak Mr. TOMKINS (Roma) (9.6 p.m.): I of the disease and a large amount was paid support the introduction of this four-point in compensation. Bill. The Minister has clearly indicated the reasons for it. A Government Member: The Government did the right thing. The Stock Act is being amended to delete the present maximum rate of stock assess­ Mr. TOMKINS: My word it did. ment of 10 cents and 2! cents for large and The Australian cattle industry is in a small stock respectively. In other words, the prominent position today because these indications are that in future the rate could diseases have been kept out. South American be increased. The "sugar" in the Bill is the countries are not enjoying the fruits of the repeal of the Buffalo Fly Control Act and beef boom because their cattle suffer from the transfer of funds held under that Act to these diseases. I think their politics have the Stock Fund. wrecked their beef industries. The produc­ The honourable member for Warwick has tion of beef in Argentina and several other said that payments made .under the Buffalo South American countries has decreased. Fly Control Act do not attract any subsidy Thanks to wise government we are in the from the Treasury. The assessments from happy position of being able to take advan­ the Stock Fund under all headings amount to tage of the boom in beef. We can send meat approximately $800,000. In the 1971-72 to America, England and other countries in financial year, payments made by the the E.E.C., where the market is extremely Treasury amounted to $1,565,807, or, in good. We should pay tribute to many people other words, a subsidy of $2 for $1, which behind the scenes who have done a first-class is far in excess of the 80 cents for $1 rate as job, and I again pay tribute to officers of the has been outlined by the Minister. Department of Primary Industries, who have done a wonderful job. They have been That subsidy was well received by the wool assisted by grants from the Federal Govern­ industry, because during the drought years it ment, which, I hope, will continue to be was in a chaotic state and many of the people made. engaged in it could not afford to pay their assessments. At present the tuberculosis eradication programme is under way, but it is a colossal The Department of Animal Industry, under task. Although it has been in operation for Mr. Clay, has a difficult job to do in the only two years, I believe that over 1,000,000 eradication of diseases, and it does it well. cattle have been tested, most of which have For many years pleuropneumonia was the been found free of the disease. When the dreaded scourge of this State, and the move­ campaign spreads to the North West and ment of stock from Queensland to other other far-flung areas of the State, no doubt States was prohibited. Victoria had never a certain amount of trouble will be encoun­ been plagued by the disease, and New South tered. However, it must be implemented with Wales had eradicated it some time before­ vigour until the disease is eradicated. I hand. Consequently, at that time Queensland visualise the day-indeed, it is virtually here faced the task of eradicating it. After a now-when overseas markets will say, "If long period as well as the expenditure of a your property or State has not been cleared large sum of money, the department suc­ of tuberculosis, we will not accept your ceeded in having it eradicated. The result cattle." I do not know how they will enforce is that, under certain conditions, Queensland such a stipulation, but I understand that T.B. cattle can be transported to anv other State in America has been almost wiped out. I in Australia, and tbe industry has benefited believe America will impose such conditions 3108 Stock Act and Other (20 MARCH 1973) Acts Amendment Bill on areas and countries that are subject to Mr. TOMKINS: I have been to the one this disease. I wish the Department of at Rocklea. Primary Industries success in its T.B. cam­ Mr. Houston: Tell us about the ones in paign. We have to get rid of this disease to the country. stay in business; it is as simple as that. Mr. TOMKINS: I could tell the honour­ In the past the cattle industry was not in able gentleman what goes on at Rocklea with its present happy situation, one of the reasons no trouble at all because I have been there being that cattle were subject to disease. I quite often. However, I do not think that hope that the campaign to eradicate T.B. matter can be discussed under this Bill to proceeds unabated. The compensation prob­ amend the Stock Act. In any case, I want lem will get worse in T.B. areas. Unfortu­ to deal with other subjects. nately, so far as I know, no effort was made The Bill provides for an easing of the to evolve a compensation scheme involving permit system. This was referred to by the owners till after the campaign started. It is honourable members for Isis and Mourilyan. now nearly impossible to formulate a prac­ I share the view expressed by the honourable tical scheme because many areas have been member for Isis. As a matter of fact, he cleaned up completely. We could not expect could not have put it more clearly and areas in which T.B. has been eradicated to expressed my views exactly. The Bill envis· start to contribute to a T.B. compensation ages that, if a person wants a permit, he scheme, yet I believe a good case could be will be able to ring up a stock inspector, made, where the disease is prevalent, to get obtain the permit, get its number, and apply such a scheme under way in some form or it to a waybill, such as that which has been other. The Minister and his officers have no used for years on the back of permits. This doubt had a good look at this matter. A allows him to start the movement of stock scheme should be evolved to encourage without actually having the permit in hi~ people to participate in it. I am sure that the hands, which, until now, has been illegal. Minister knows the problems that are assoc­ I see nothing wrong with this in most iated with this matter and that he will devise circumstances where stock do not have to a way of encouraging people in north-west be moved very far. However, there must be Queensland to come into the scheme. a continuance of the liaison that has exi,ted between the departmental officers and mem­ Moneys from the Stock Fund are paid to bers of the Stock Squad in various areas the Division of Animal Industry, whose duties of the State. This has been a fairly happy are- arrangement. Normally, if a permit is issued, a member of the Stock Squad knows "The field diagnosis and control of a bout it. It is absolutely vital that the disease in all classes of stock by veterinary Stock Squad be given encouragement in doing officers and stock inspectors; the inspection, a very tough job. The Minister said that treatment and control of travelling stock Queensland has 14,600,000 sheep and to prevent the spread of disease; the erec­ 8,600,000 cattle. All of those animals are tion and maintenance of cattle dips at very valuable and the onus on the Stock strategic centres to assist in speeding up Squad has increased, not diminished. the movements of stock to market." The members of the Stock Squad whom I That is a very good service. If a stock-owner know work very hard and do a very good lives in a tick area or on a tick border, job, partly because they co-operate effectively the department comes in and, in some cases, with local stock inspectors. I know that provides a dip and, in others, works with these officers compare brands and carry out the owner and provides the dipping fluid. checks of that sort. If I thought that the The duties continue- Bill would be a deterrent to liaison between these two groups, I would not support it. "The administration of the Stock and However, the fact that a waybill is to be Brands Acts; advisory services to beef and numbered indicates that liaison will be main­ dairy cattle, sheep and pig industries; the tained. The stock inspector will know that operation of experiment and research it has been issued, and any good stock stations (such as the Sheep Field Station inspector would follow it through. He will at Toorak and the Cattle Field Stations at still have the right to check the waybill, and Ayr and at Swan's Lagoon near Millaroo); so on. I believe that, one way or another. the operation of the Animal Husbandry it should be a fairly good scheme, and I Research Farm and Pig Testing Station support it. at Rocklea and the Fleece Testing Labor­ atory in Brisbane and cattle husbandry Another welcome statement by the Minis­ investigations at 'Brian Pastures' near Gayn­ ter was that the Buffalo Fly Control Act will dah and on numerous private properties be abolished. This is a good move. Gener­ throughout the State." ally speaking, funds obtained for buffalo fly control have never been used for thai That covers some of the work done by this purpose. I think they have been more or division and indicates its wide field of less used to bolster the Stock Fund. What operations. is proposed will simplify matters. The Buffalo Fly Control Act is to be abolished, Mr. Houston: Have you been to any of and stock assessments are to continue as at those research stations? present. Stock Act and Other [20 MARCH 1973] Acts Amendment Bill 3109

I have mentioned before the very effective that a great deal of money is needed. job done by officers of the Department of Obviously the research that the department Primary Industries in country areas. The can carry out and the number of people it services of stock inspectors, cattle husbandry can employ in the field is limited by the officers and sheep husbandry officers are availability of finance. But when one con­ financed by the Stock Fund. These officers siders the number of animals I mentioned operate in most pastoral areas. They earlier-! excluded poultry; I also exclude co-operate freely with the industry, and their fish, which come under the control of the job in the public relations field is first department-it is clear that, although it is class. I should like to include in these very costly, control of disease is a very remarks other extension officers of the important aspect of the work of the depart­ Department of Primary Industries such as ment. It is also obvious that the work will agrostologists and agricultural officers who expand, and the cost as well. have assisted western people in the estab­ lishment of various grasses such as buffet The Minister mentioned about a dozen grass, green panic and Rhodes grass in the aspects of the movement of stock and the brigalow area. These officers have helped incidence of disease in stock, and he referred the industry very considerably, and I would first to the question of permits. The issuing not be fair if I did not say what a first­ of permits has always presented problems, class job they do. I hope that they will both to graziers and to the issuing officers. continue to carry out this work, and extend I have nothing but praise for stock inspectors, it. At one time there was a certain amount particularly those in small communities, who of reluctance to advocate the appointment give a great deal of their own time to assist of more officers of this type, but those days the man on the land with the issue of stock have long since gone. People on the land permits. I also appreciate the way in which now look to such officers to assist them in members of the Police Force eadeavour to matters concerning soil conservation, agricul­ organise themselves-and perhaps the ture, stock, and so on. graziers-to facilitate the issue of stock permits. Anyone who has been in a country Stock inspectors have one of the most dif­ town at show time will know the additional ficult jobs, because there are always difficul­ service that is given by the officers concerned, ties in administering the regulations covering whether the official stock inspectors or the stock movement from ticky to clean areas. police officers who have to undertake the There would not be many members who work of issuing permits under certain circum­ have not made representations to have areas altered, and it is always the stock inspector, stances. who usually works under a veterinary officer, The honourable member for Roma said who says, "We think you will have to do earlier in the debate, "You can ring up the it this way." J pay a tribute to stock stock inspector." I wonder how universally inspectors. true that is. I recall asking that a telephone I support the Bill. It is wide ranging. be installed in a stock inspector's house, to and I believe that in due course it will facilitate his work and to make him more prove to be good legislation for the State. readily available to the people in the area­ his work, of course, involved the issuing of Mr. O'DONNELL (Belyando) (9.24 p.m.): permits-but the department refused to The Bill certainly contains a number of accede to that request. Stock inspectors points that, in the main, have the approba­ voluntarily and gladly make their services tion of members on both sides of the available, and I think that the department Chamber. The shadow Minister for Primary should be prepared to instal telephones in Industries (Mr. Blake) said that the Opposi­ their homes so that persons can readily avail tion will make a close scrutiny of the Bill. themselves of their services. I know that it I entirely agree with him, because I think costs a great deal of money to run any there may be some facets of it that could be Government department, and perhaps it is quite controversial. However, Jet us look regarded as an economy not to provide tele­ first of all at the positive side. phones in the homes of stock inspectors, It is pleasing to see that an effort is but those persons' service goes beyond the being made to step up disease control over normal call of their duties, and, if they are the length and breadth of the State. When prepared to do that, there should be some one considers the number of animals in this recognition of it by the senior officers of the State, one realises the gigantic task that department or the Minister. faces Mr. Clay and his officers. Excluding poultry, I think there are approximately Mention was made of the issue of permits 43,000,000 head of stock of all types in by a deputy. That is all right when there is this State. somebody else in the office, but it cannot work very satisfactorily in a one-man police More money and additional staff are station when the police officer might be required for research and field work, and the absent from the office on some other duty. department is to be commended for re­ I do not know how the Minister can c-ircum­ organising its finances to make more money vent that problem. I do not know whether available. I do not offer any criticism, the policeman's wife would be authorised to because I think it is at last being realised issue a permit. We are not solving all these 3110 Stock Act and Other (20 MARCH 1973) Acts Amendment Bill matters but attempting to solve them, and I or active in a specific disease. I think who­ do not hesitate to support the effort that is ever thought up this idea must have been being made as long as appreciation is shown very sensitive indeed. to those people who do more than their duty. I am sorry for those who are tied down I think the question about waybills has by the incidence of ticks or an outbreak been satisfactorily resolved. Cattle-duffing of bluetongue, or whatever it is, but I was mentioned in that context. I do not think cannot see the necessity for this alteration. it would be a very wise cattle-duffer who Diseases that affect cattle are not a personal would move cattle in convoys. responsibility. It might be said that a person is negligent because he does not dip his Mr. Sullivan: They do not normally apply stock, but what can be said against him for a permit. if bluetongue or foot and mouth disease enters the country and his cattle become Mr. O'DONNELL: No. I think they would infected? We cannot then blame him. l be looking for more devious ways of taking cannot see any reason for a feeling of the stock through. personal responsibility, and therefore a property owner should not regard as a There has been some very success£ul cattle­ personal stigma the use of the word "quaran­ duffing in Queensland. Very few culprits have tine". If in going to another country we had to face up to their crimes in court. I have travelled with a person suffering from do not think permits or waybiiis would be an infectious disease, we are put into quaran­ of any assistance in bringing them to justke. tine; we are not allowed to sign a under­ Mr. Murray interjected. taking in lieu thereof. With these changes, the department i~ Mr. O'DONNELL: The honourable mem­ trying to remove some of the irritations. ber for Clayfield has put his finger on it. But these irritations, as some people are There is always a great lack of evidence in calling them, were instituted for specific cattle-duffing cases. Cattle-duffing is a very purposes and I remain to be convinced serious crime because of the value of stock that these purposes are not still present. ] today, although I suppose stock have always should like to see removed any irritation been valuable. The efforts of cattle-duffers or restriction that has passed its period of today leave the old methods for dead. A benefit; on the other hand, I do not like to different type of person is involved in cattle­ see anv restriction lifted if a strong reason duffing these days. He is not usually a for its- presence in the Act or regulations battling grazier who is trying to help himself. remains. People from outside that field duff cattle very successfully. They have nothing to do A very important point in the Bill relates with the U.G.A. or any other organisation. to the feeding of garbage to pigs. I do not They are active criminals who see a valuable know how this practice will be beaten. The article and they know how to dispose of it. department may be able to do it, but I think we all know that for decades the Mr. Sullivan: Your thought would be method of feeding pigs has altered very similar to mine: there is no type of person little, and the classification of what is worse than a cattle-duffer. After all, he does garbage and what is not is one that J it at night when the farmer or gra:z:ier who should like to hear. What does the Minister has been working hard all day is asleep. He understand the term "garbage" to mean? sneaks in like a thief in the night. rs he talking about garbage that comes from cafes or from farms? There is such Mr. O'DONNELL: I have known graziers a thing as farm garbage. What does he who sleep very successfully in the day-time intend to do about the garbage? If he but often do not get enough sleep at night. proposes to exercise control over certain people, such as cafe proprietors, who supply I turn now to the matter of quarantine. bad fruit and so on to pig producers, he I think that perhaps here the Minister is may achieve what he is setting out to do; on very dangerous ground, because a stink­ but I doubt it. ing roger by any other name is stiii a stinking roger. If a man's property has to In conclusion, I say that the Bill in prin­ be placed under quarantine, there is a ciple is a sound one because it is moving reason for it. That is not altered by the towards stricter control of disease. As well, proposal that he can sign an undertaking it will get rid of certain minor irritations that in lieu of having it placed under quarantine. affect persons who either own or control What is the difference? I cannot see any stock. However, I do not think the removal at all. A property is put in quarantine of certain restrictions mentioned by the because of the state of the property or Minister is warranted. the condition of the animals on it. It has nothing to do with the owner; it is not Mr. HARTWIG (Callide) (9.42 p.m.): an aspersion on his character. To my mind, compliment the Minister on the introduction the stipulation that he can sign an under­ of this measure, which prescribes certain taking in lieu thereof does not mean a powers of control over individual properties thing because after all, the property is put in the event of an outbreak of a serious in quarantine because it is either suspect disease. In addition to possessing the power Stock Act and Other [20 MARCH 1973] Acts Amendment Bill 3111 to destroy diseased animals, the Minister also purchaser who rebranded the cattle to place has the power to destroy other animals on on the permit the position of the brand the affected property. If such drastic action on a beast. as that is taken I hope that the Minister will Mr. Sullivan: You specifically mentioned also have power under the Bill to recom­ your symbol brand. Not every stockowner pense the property-owner for his animals that have been destroyed. has a symbol brand. Both Commonwealth and State officials Mr. HARTWIG: I have a three-letter have done a great service to this nation by brand, which I place on the off rump. keeping it free from certain exotic diseases, Mr. Sullivan: You must have the other such as foot and mouth disease and blue­ brand before you get the symbol brand. tongue. The amendment that will allow a secretary Mr. HARTWIG: My other brand is L6V, to sign a stock permit on behalf of a stock which I brand on the off rump. inspector is a commendable one. Quite often Mr. Sullivan: As I understand it, you a stock inspector is absent from his office, register the position of the symbol brand and in the past it was illegal for the secretary but you do not register the position of the to sign a permit. other brands. In any case, your suggestion is worthy of investigation. The provisions relating to the issue of way­ bills, the clear definition of brands, and Mr. HARTWIG: I think the position of ownership being acknowledged by the agent the three-letter brand has to be registered, signing on behalf of the owners, are also to otherwise the beast could be branded be commended. Any provision that allows anywhere. for the easier movement of stock must be advantageous to landholders. However, I If a stock-stealing squad or stock officers sound a note of warning, and in doing so I were to stop a stock transport or a mob of agree that stock-stealing should be made a cattle suspected of having been stolen, they very serious offence. Some honourable mem­ would immediately know where to look for bers have said that those offenders are let the brands as the position would be indicated off with very lenient penalties. This can no on the stock permit. I think my suggestion longer be justified. We must provide for the has merit, and I appeal to the Minister to imposition of long terms of imprisonment investigate it closely. and heavy fines on people who are guilty of Unfortunately Queensland, with 8,600,000 stock-stealing. Like the Minister, I believe cattle, is divided into two tick areas. The that there is nothing lower than a thief. If area in the south-eastern corner is known somebody is caught stealing from a shop­ as the clean area, and the area north of perhaps even a small item-a gaol sentence the "K" line is known as the tick region is often imposed. Yet in stock-stealing cases, or ticky area. In my electorate there are which can drag on over a long period with several properties where the Department of police guarding stock for months on end, Primary Industries has established the lenient sentences are often imposed. On some existence of dip-resistant ticks. While I occasions when female cattle are stolen the acknowledge that they present a problem, herd is somewhat enlarged by the time the good managers on neighbouring properties case comes before the court. I firmly believe are penalised unnecessarily because, year in that the court processes in cattle-stealing and year out, they see no evidence of cases should be speeded up. resistant ticks. When cattle are taken to saleyards to 1 shall now deal with the Barmoya area. be sold at auction, the purchaser proceeds A man there, whom I know, Mr. Alf Todd, to the stock inspector's office and receives is a very astute cattleman. His property a long list of brands, or a brand, depending adjoins an area where the resistant tick is on whether the vendor is a breeder or in evidence. For years he has been required, a dealer. I should like the Minister to consider before shifting stock to the meatworks the possibility of requiring a stockowner, or the saleyard, as many others have when filling in a stock permit, to indicate been, to muster his stock several on the stock permit the position of his days before sale or killing, dip them, brand. Every property-owner who has a remuster them for inspection, hold them brand is required to register the brand in in the yard for hours on end waiting for a certain position. For example, my symbol the departmental officer to appear, and then brand is "LH over Bar Dot". I would put them into the crush for a crush inspec­ only be required to nominate, "LH Bar Dot, tion. This is affecting his livelihood, and off rump". The purchaser of the cattle would that of people like him, by reducing the immediately be aware where the brand value of the stock concerned. This is in was, and he would know where to place evidence in many parts of Queensland. These his own brand when rebranding the stock. people should not be penalised in this way. I have had to clip stock to find where The fact that their stock have to be yarded they are branded. In winter months particu­ or dipped a couple of times before sale larly, cattle have long coats. It would be spoils their appearance, and thus they attract simple to require a former owner and the less money. 3112 Stack Act and Other [20 MARCH 1973] Acts Amendment Bill

The relief in the payment of the buffalo promptly arrive on the scene and swaxm fly tax is a very good step, which I support. round like busy bees. They really get on to Many landholders have been paying this the job. tax for years although they have not seen a buffalo fly. Mr. Burns: When did that last happen? I view with some concern the proposed Mr. MURRAY: That is what happens. If increase in stock assessments. Although it there is a breaking and entering and one loses is not a major matter, it adds to the financial goods to the value of a few hundred dollars, burden of the primary producer. there is pretty fast action by the police. Today only one average-quality steer or I sound a note of warning. We must bullock is worth a couple of hundred dollars. consider the high price of meat and buyer But, if such a beast disappears, the inability resistance, particularly by the wage-earner, of the law, for various reasons, to sheet home who must be considered. People are turning a conviction is quite extraordinary. We all towards poultry, bacon and, still worse, meat know that cattle-duffing or stock-stealing is substitutes. The annual consumption of pretty rife throughout the State today. 11 meat-substitute products in the United States was even common when stock values were a of America, which is the largest producer good deal lower than they are now. of such products, is 95,000 tons. That represents about .5 per cent of its red meat I repeat, as I have said before, that I do consumption. By comparison, imports of not believe it is good enough for stock­ all meats into the United States represent owners generally to look only to the Govern­ about 6 per cent of its meat consumption. ment to solve this problem. After all, The United States Department of Agriculture businesses in the city not only have the has estimated that by 1980 substitutes will normal forces of the law to protect their displace up to 20 per cent of all meat used establishments; many pay a good deal of in manufactures. Imports of meat substi­ money to obtain the services of private tutes into Australia during the 12 months security officers at night. They have alarm ended 30 June 1972 totalled 150 tons. systems, and they go to considerable expense to protect their investments. Mr. Ioee: You are talking about synthetic meat? Mr. Hanson: Are you advocating local vigilantes? Mr. HARTWIG: Yes. I call it meat substitute. Mr. MURRAY: 1 believe that we in thi~ State could follow the lessons learnt in the The estimated Australian consumption of United States. In that country, stockowners red meats in the same period was of the have themselves set up an organisation of order of 1,000,000 tons. While this is not smart cattlemen who work in collaboration a serious threat at present, it gives us food with the police, exactly as security men for thought. work in the cities and major provincial towns. The Bill also provides for the registration In the United States, this system has managed of cattle dips. J trust that landholders will to reduce stock-stealing considerably. It has be given sufficient time to bring their dips certainly given far more protection than stockowners have in Queensland today. 1 up to standard. I also trust that the plans believe it is worth suggesting that the United for the construction of future dips will meet Graziers' Association, or some kindred body. with the approval of landholders and graziers should do something about this matter as an generally. organisation by appointing its own inspectors. There are many good, smart stockmen around I have much pleasure in supporting the the State who could be given the power of Bill, and I trust that it will be implemented inspectors to attend all stock sales, check with the approval of all honourable brands, enter properties on advising the members. owners that they want to look around, and so on. In other words, they could work Mr. MURRAY (Clayfield) (9.55 p.m.): I as another arm of the law in this field. have often mentioned one or two points that are relevant to this measure. I think that, Mr. Hanson: Vigilantes. generally speaking, the proposals put forward by the Minister are very acceptable. Mr. MURRAY: They would not be vigilantes in the sense that they would hang Much has been said tonight about the people in the market square. They would movement of stock, and I want to make one at least be an extension of law enforcement. or two observations on the subject of cattle­ and I believe that there is room for them. stealing. It is always interesting to me to Members of the State Police Force are now note the double standards that are applied in the only ones who can do this work, and l tbis matter. Perhaps "double standards" may again appeal to the Minister to accept my not be the best term to use, but it will suffice suggestion. for the moment. If a house is broken and I recall looking at the situation in the entered in Brisbane and goods worth several United States of America some years ago hundred dollars are stolen, the police and being very impressed by the way in which Stock Act &c., Bill [20 MARCH 1973] Primary Producers', &c., Bill 3113

these men moved about. They were supplied PRIMARY PRODUCERS' with station wagons and a horse-float, and ORGANISATION AND MARKETING they had power to stop a stock transport ACT AMENDMENT BILL on the road and inspect it. They were· smart men who knew brands. INITIATION IN CoMMITIEIE Mr. SherringtQn: I think you have been (The Chairman of Committees, Mr. Lickiss. seeing too much of Broderick Crawford's Mt. Coot-tha, in the chair) "Highway Patrol". Hon. V. B. SULLIVAN (Condamine­ Mr. MURRAY: I do not know whether Minister for Primary Industries) (10.7 p.m.): the honourable member for Salisbury wishes I move- to take part in the debate, but I should like "That a Bill be introduced to amend the to make my own contribution. Primary Producers' Organisation and Marketing Acts 1926 to 1966 in certain In my opinion, it might be wise to extend particulars and for other purposes." the law and make it easier to bring people to justice on counts of cattle-stealing. In The main purpose of the Bill is to make pro­ the journal of the National Cattlemen's vision for the setting up of a State-wide Association in the United States of America, commercial fishermen's organisation. The the names of those brought to justice each opportunity has also been taken to tidy up month were mentioned on page 2. The fact certain machinery aspects of the existing Act. that his name would be blazoned in headlines and to bring it into line with present-day in that way had a deterrent effect on any needs. person who might think of entering the It should be borne in mind that the rackets associated with cattle-stealing. Primary Producers' Organisation and Mar­ The other proposals outlined by the keting Act was originally written in 1926. Minister are very sound, and I think they and there have been a lot of developments will receive the support of all honourable since then. There have, of course, been members. amendments from time to time, but they have dealt with specific matters as they arose. I Hon. V. B. SULLIVAN (Condl!mine­ shall cover these relatively minor aspects Minister for Primary Industries) (10.2 p.m.), first, and then give an outline of what is in reply: Again the indications are that the proposed regarding the fishermen's proposals I have outlined are acceptable to organisation. honourable members on both sides of the The principal Act as it now stands refers Chamber. The provisions of the proposed to the "Department of Agriculture and Stock" Bill are fairly wide, and it is difficult to get and the '"Minister for Agriculture and Stock". a full understanding of them at the introduc­ The amending Bill changes these titles to tory stage. Perhaps at the second-reading "Department of Primary Industries" and stage, when members have had the oppor­ "Minister for Primary Industries". It also tunity of studying the Bill, there may be changes the reference to the Companies Act some arguments, but I hope not. from the former title of that Act to the Honourable members on this side of the present one. This is mainly relevant when a Chamber who have discussed the proposals marketing board is wound up, as the present with me at committee level have indicated reference could be confusing. their acceptance of the Bill, and I commend The Bill will also update the borrowing officers of the Department of Primary Indus­ and investment powers of marketing boards. tries for the work they have put into drawing The original 1926 provision was very limited it up. The proposals indicate the wisdom of and quite out of line with modern-day prac­ having what is known as a pastoral advisory tice in this field. No provision was made for committee, on which is represented the use of the short-term money market or other United Graziers' Association. It gives officers forms of gilt-edged investment. The Bill will of the department an opportunity of dis­ remedy this defect and will enable marketing cussing with these representatives the wisdom boards to make better use of their funds. or otherwise of including various proposals in a Bill. Provision is made to enable the Council of Agriculture to hold conferences twice a I shall leave any further comment till my year if necessary. Previously the council was second-reading speech, and I again thank limited to a single annual conference unless honourable members for their contributions it obtained specific approval from the Min­ to the debate-members of the Opposition for ister to meet more often in case of emer­ their acceptance of the proposals, and gency. That limitation has proved to be too members of the Government parties for their limiting, particularly during recent years support of them. when the agricultural outlook has been sub­ Motion (Mr. Sullivan) agreed to. ject to rapid change. The Council itself recommended that the frequency of its Resolution reported. meetings should be increased to two a year. I might mention that the Council of Agri­ FIRST READING culture is the central organisation of all Bill presented and, on motion of Mr. commodity marketing boards as well as all Sullivan, read a first time. statutory producer organisations. It performs 3114 Primary Producers', &c., (20 MARCH 1973} Act Amendment Bill a very valuable function in rural industry in I do not think there is much more I need Queensland, and as Minister I frequently add at this stage, except to say that the look to it for advice on industry views. initial move for the setting up of a fishermen's organisation came from the industry itself. While on the subject of the council, I Many of the industry's leaders have realised should indicate that the Bill also makes for some time that a unified body was needed. provision for separate representation for the In the past there has been too much frag­ Central Queensland Egg Marketing Board. mentation, and this has led to differences of Up to now, the Central and South Queensland opinion between various industry sectors. Egg Boards had only one representative During the past year or so, there has been between them. This has not proved very a considerable amount of discussion between satisfactory in practice, and the amendment officers of my department, fishing industry will overcome the problem. Naturally, pro­ representatives and the Council of Agriculture vision is also made for the proposed fisher­ on the setting up of an organisation. men's organisation to be represented on the I firmly believe that the method adopted council once it is constituted. That covers in this Bill is the soundest way to approach the more or less minor amendments. As the problem. The fishing industry is now regards the proposed commercial fishermen's a substantial and growing industry, yet it is organisation, the Bill provides for an organ­ one of very few among our primary industries isation consisting of local branches, district which, so far, has had no single representa­ councils and a State counciL In this respect tive organisation of producers. it follows closely the pattern of other success­ ful producer organisations, such as the I commend the motion to the Committee. Queensland Dairymen's Organisation. Mr. BLAKE (Isis) (10.15 p.m.): I have no Provision is made for the setting up of hesitation in claiming that this measure is branches at the local level, and all profes­ long overdue. Fishing deserves recognition sional fishermen in the area will be members as a very important primary industry. In of the branch. At the district council level, fact, whaling was Australia's first primary representatives will be elected by the branches. industry and its history alone provides a The State council, in turn, will be elected by good reason why the fishing industry and the various district councils. By this means those dependent upon it should receive it is intended to ensure that all professional official status and recognition. fishermen will be adequately represented on Today there remains only one shore-based and through their organisation. Further, the whaling station in Australia. The indis­ existence of such an organisation will enable criminate exploitation of the whale by many the industry to present a unified view on any nations is one of the greatest examples of matter affecting the interests of members. thoughtless abuse of a great natural asset. Only now, with many of the whale species The State council will be a body corporate extinct, has the International Whaling Com­ with perpetual succession to enable it to mission reached agreement on whale harvest­ operate effectively. It will be able to acquire ing, with international observers stationed land for its own purposes or for the purposes on all whaling stations, afloat or ashore, of any district or branch. At this stage, I to police the agreement. It is only by stress that the organisation will not be directly means such as this that the effective opera­ involved with the marketing of fish. It will tion of any international or national agree­ be purely a producer organisation acting on ment can be achieved. Even so, the drastic­ behalf of its members. One of its functions, ally reduced quotas, designed to allow the however, will be to assist in co-operation various declared species of whales to regener­ between fishermen, the Fish Board and the ate, are very interesting, because they give Government in improving efficiency in the some idea of the terrific potential of the industry and in conservation of fisheries. oceans that presently wash our shores. As is the case with other organisations In 1971-72 the value of exports of Aus­ constituted under the Primary Producers' tralia's marine products outstripped that of Organisation and Marketing Acts, the detailed imports by a record $29,000,000. Five years mechanics of operation, such as definition of ago the margin in favour of exports was only $4,000,000. In other words, Australia districts, conduct of meetings and so on, will imported a lot of fish and marine products be spelt out in Orders in Council and regula­ and at the same time exported a lot, and tions from time to time. Many of these the difference was only $4,000,000. details will depend on the wishes of the industry and will only become apparent after Figures for the 1971-72 financial year, as published in the October 1972 issue of the organisation has been functioning for a "Australian Fisheries", show that in that while. year exports amounted to a record The organisation will be financed by the $76,000,000, whereas imports dropped by industry itself, by means of levies on its nearly $3,000,000 from the record of members. Such levies will naturally vary $49,000,000 in 1970-71. from time to time, but the rates will be Exports of our three most important sea­ decided by the State council with the approval foods, namely, rock lobsters, prawns and of the Minister. abalone, were the highest ever recorded, Primary Producers', &c., [20 MARCH 1973] Act Amendment Bill 3115 while imports of fresh and frozen fish fishing tend to be sceptical when we read of dropped significantly both in quantity and aquaculture where fish are farmed in marine value. Canned-fish imports, however, were paddocks, ~onfined by so!lar barriers and worth a record $14,000,000. There: seems herded and directed by different frequency to be a contradiction here. The imports emissiOns. But this method of aquaculture of canned-fish products were a record may not be as far off as we might assume. $14,000,000. Perhaps this is evidence of I refer honourable members to this article the fact that in the field of canned seafoods on page 17 of the August 1972 issue of we have an excellent opportunity of develop­ "Australian Fisheries"- ment. Obviously the demand is there. "Electronic fish Jure emits sounds to I have here the greatly reduced whale attract fishes" quotas for 1972 for the Southern Hemisphere "An acoustic fish lure, developed for the only. It must be realised that they have New Zealand Marine Department, is to been set to allow whales to regenerate to be manufactured for both commercial and their normal numbers. The quota in the big-game fishermen. Southern Hemisphere alone for sperm whales was 8,000 males and 5,000 females a year. "The lure which weighs about 6 lb. was The establishment of rational quotas for developed by fisheries technologist Mr. Don species was an important achievement under York whose idea for the lure stems from the International Whaling Commission his n'avy days during World War H. He agreement. first gave serious thought to the possibilities of the lure in 1963 and, using sono-buoys The catch limit for fin whales in the borrowed from the Royal New Zealand Antarctic was set at 1,950, whilst the catch Air Force, began fishing experiments off for sei whales was set at 5,000. If the the east coast of the North Island. scientific estimates of the condition of the "Having established that sound emissions stocks are reasonably accurate, this will allow could attract tuna, Mr. York secured the a slow increase in the· number of fin whales backing of the Marine Department to start and will prevent over exploitation of the sei an experimental programme in 1969. First whale, which has not been over harvested. trials were held in the 1970-71 tuna fishing An important achievement was to establish a season. The newly developed equipment provisional catch limit for Minke whales in was soon attracting small schools of skip­ the Antarctic. This small whale, which is jack at a time when catches were practically abundant in the southern ocean, has not been nil among the commercial fleet. taken by whalers in substantial numbers until recently. The scientific committee of the "The prototype lure proved so sucessful whaling commiSSion estimated that the that the Marine Department took out Antarctic Minke whale could produce a yield patent rights." of 5,000 whales a year for ever without And further down- danger to the resource. "Our aerial spotter pinpointed a school I mention these things because they give of albacore and skipjack feeding on small an indication that these are depleted whale pockets of anchovies, and from about half resources. But even under this restricted a mile away we saw a fishing boat poling quota system there are tremendous riches the fish in with live bait,' Mr. York said. and productivity to be harvested from the " 'As soon as we switched on the lure, ocean. all the tuna immediately came over to our Many authorities are adamant that we must boat. When we switched off, they went look to the seas, more so than to the lands, back to the live bait.'" to feed the world's growing population. There It must be realised that these boats were is factual evidence to support this contention; half a mile apart. That article goes to prove there is evidence of it in the increasing value that electronic herding, attracting, driving and of foodstuffs being harvested from our own farming of fish may not be far away. I assure Australian in-shore or near-shore waters. The honourable members that I have not digressed figures I have cited show the increase in from the spirit of this Bill. I have mentioned exports over imports in Australia. Most of these matters because I think they indicate the yield is harvested from coastal waters­ the present and potential importance of the waters very close to the shore. The figures fishing industry as a primary industry. take very little cognisance of the fish harvest taken from deep waters well off shore. No I also wish to establish the industry's doubt the same limited areas of near-shore present right to official. statutory. status and waters will yield much more with more to illustrate the sophisticated eqmpment and sophisticated equipment and more intensive techniques that, in the near future,. will enable fishing. I believe that with proper husbanding it to make even greater contributiOns to our they will yield this increased harvest economy. Of course, these sophisticated indefinitely. techniques will require G'?vernment apl?roval. recognition and support m the ~nancmg of There is then the almost undeveloped field the industry's administrative affmrs. of aquaculture. This relates to the production of useful fresh-water and marine life with I shall now deal with the Minister's intrt?­ artificial assistance. I suppose that we who duction. It is well understood by the Opposi­ are accustomed to conventional methods of tion that the original Act was brought down 3116 Primary Producers', &c., (20 MARCH 1973 J Act Amendment Bill in 1926 and that at present there are many In conclusion, I might say, as I said at reasons and plenty of scope to update it. the beginning, that I think this legislation Firstly, the change in titles is self-explanatory. is overdue. As one who has had some The old titles, "Department of Agrictulture experience in this industry, I appreciate the and Stock" and "Minister for Agriculture and difficulties that have been inherent in pro­ Stock" were replaced some time ago by the ducing this outline of a statutory organisation titles "Department of Primary Industries" for fishermen. and "Minister for Primary Industries" Mr. N. T. E. Hewitt: It has not been respectively. easy to get all these people together. There is a need to update the investment and borrowing powers of marketing boards Mr. BLAKE: I was about to say that. and, perhaps, many other boards. As no Many of those in the fishing industry lead provision was made for these matters in the a somewhat nomadic life, and they are Act, no marketing board has the opportunity people of very independent outlook and to take advantage of the many benefits of the differing opinions. I could, if I wished, short-term money market, and, as the slate the Government for not bringing down Minister pointed out, other forms of gilt­ this legislation sooner. However, I shall edge investment. The Bill will remedy the content myself with saying that it is con­ defect and boards will be able to make better siderably satisfying to the Opposition to use of their funds. They have a very great see that finally most of the problems have need to do this in today's highly competitive been resolved. The importance of the fishing money field. industry as it presently stands in the economy of this State entitles it to the official recogni­ Mr. N. T. E. Hewitt: One of the main tion and status that it is now to receive. things will be the bringing into being of As I have already said this evening, I can professional fishermen's organisations. They see an expanding future for the fishing will bring organisation into the industry, industry in which it will become, by means won't they? of more sophisticated techniques, an even greater contributor to the revenue obtained Mr. BLAKE: Absolutely. from primary industries. Mr. R • .Jones: So long as the fishermen are represented. Mr. AHERN (Landsborough) (10.33 p.m.): Amongst other things, the Bill constitutes Mr. BLAKE: I am coming to the represen­ a statutory fishermen's organisation in the tation of the fishermen in the sequence in State of Queensland. During the Address-in­ which the Minister approached matters in Reply debate in 1969, I canvassed the his introduction. reasons behind the need for the establish­ It is needless to mention that the Council ment of such an organisation, and asked of Agriculture is the central organisation of that it be set up. There was then, as there all commodity marketing boards as well as of still is, a fair amount of disunity and dis­ all statutory producer organisations. We have agreement within this industry. There are to refer to it from time to time and, as the in it many people running along parallel Minister said, he relies heavily on the exper­ lines at different paces, and the need to ience of the organisations which go to form establish a fishermen's organisation is the council. apparent. It will bring together at grass­ roots level all who are in the industry, and It is pleasing to see that the constitution as it will mean that, instead of four or five outlined in the introduction is in keeping organisations trying to represent the fishing with the general proposals advanced by the industry, it will be represented by one professional fishing industry which are: over organisation established by statute. Queens­ all, the structure of the organisation should land fishermen want this organisation. Those consist of local branches at local levels, in my area are strongly in favour of it, district councils at district level and a State and they have asked me to support them. council at State level. Basically that is what In 1969 I raised this matter as the result of has been outlined as being in the Bill. There­ representations made by fishermen in my fore I do not hesitate to say that, in principle, area. it is an extension of what the professional fishermen themselves have sought. I hope that Where appropriate, branches will be con­ when we are able to study the Bill we will stituted within the industry, and those find that it is in keeping with the wishes of branches will be formed into district councils. the professional fishermen's association. The In their turn, district councils will constitute State council will be elected by the various a State council composed entirely of fisher­ district councils. This is a natural follow-up men, and it will be the one voice of the fishing from the district level, and I do not think any industry. Fishermen are already working further comment on that aspect is required. hard to make some really meaningful It will be necessary, of course, for the representations on behalf of their industry. marketing board, like other boards, to have In speaking to the motion, I acknowledge the right as a body corporate to perpetual the very valuable work done by Mr. Jack succession, and to acquire land for its own Jones of the Council of Agriculture in bring­ purposes. These provisions are purely ing all the parties together and setting the machinery matters. organisation on a meaningful path. Primary Producers', &c., [20 MARCH 1973] Act Amendment Bill 3117

There are many important matters to Mr. F. P. MOORE (Mourilyan) (10.39 which the industry must give attention in p.m.): I reiterate the comment of the hon­ the immediate future. The first of these ourable member for Isis that this is a long­ is the complex problem of marketing in the awaited Bill. I do not agree with the com­ industry. But there are other equally com­ ment of the honourable member for Lands­ plex problems, and we must not run away borough that the hold-up in the formation from them. There are the problems of the of a statutory fishermen's organisation was growing Fish Board in the State; there are the result of dissension within the industry. the problems of private enterprise and the l have before me a Press release from the areas in which it works, particularly in Department of Primary Industries dated 11 Fish Board-declared areas where it is running November 1970, and reading- in competition with the board in interstate "The Minister for Primary Industries operations. I believe that the private-enter­ (Hon. J. A. Row, M.L.A.) said today that prise processors are entitled to a fair deal he had fully considered the proposals put in this private-enterprise State. to him by a deputation from fishing The three sections of the industry that industry .organisations last week for the now have to come together, rationalise their establishment of a statutory commercial problems and work out a sound future are fishermen's organisation. the Queensland Fish Board, the statutory " 'This is a most progressive move,' fishermen's organisation and the processors said Mr. Row, 'and one I am fully pre­ in the State. I hope they will also give pared to support. Whilst the fishing indus­ attention to many problems affecting fisheries try has undoubtedly developed in a some­ that have been the subject of representations what fragmented fashion over the years, to the Minister for Primary Industries in the it certainly has now grown to a stage past. I understand that these are to be the where its commercial and social importance subject of future amendments to the Fisheries demands a unified voice and authority Act which have already been drafted. which can speak for the industry and to It is to be hoped that they will be con­ which the Government can look for advice sidered by honourable members in the very on industry problems.' near future. The measures proposed are eagerly sought by fishermen in my electorate, " 'It is very pleasing,' continued Mr. and I hope that the Minister will be able Row, 'that this industry move had the to indicate to me in his reply to this debate, full support of all the fishing industry or at least in his second-reading speech, that organisations.' " they will come before the session of this We heard the same submission from the Parliament commencing in July next. Minister tonight. The Press release con­ One of the major problems that the fisher­ tinued- men's organisation will have to face is the "Mr. Row concluded by saying he conservation of fisheries in South-east would be submitting the proposal to Queensland. More attention must be given Cabinet shortly for approval in principle to the mapping of areas, to their manage­ with a view to preparation of enabling ment, and to fish conservation within defined legislation as soon as possible." areas. Additional research into these matters As I say, that statement was made on 11 generally is needed, and the vexed question November 1970. I can recall the time when of nursery areas along the coast is one to the fishermen in my area said, "Well, at which the industry will have to give greater least our submissions have reached the ears attention and probably debate at some length. of Cabinet, and in particular the ears of There is no question that if the fishing the Minister for Primary Industries.'' industry is to grow strong and be a long-term I repeat that I dispute the statement made industry in South-east Queensland, a strong by the honourable member for Lands­ voice will have to be raised on behalf of borough. Mr. J. A. Jones, secretary of the the men whose livelihood will be affected Council of Agriculture, said this in a letter by the destruction of nursery areas. Many to the secretary of the Innisfail Master key areas in this part of the State are already Fishermen's Association- under threat from development, and it must "! understand that there are about 1,709 be made clear to the public that these nursery Master Fishermen's Licences and if we areas are very important to the long-term assume something like 400 to 500 of interests of the fishing industry and that it them to be part time, it leaves about is necessary to maintain a significant number 1,200 to 1,300 as bona fide fishermen. of them if the industry is to survive in "On this basis, the number who signed South-east Queensland. represents about 15% of 1,200, which I I look to the statutory fishermen's think is hardly sufficient to be impressive organisation to make its voice clearly heard and convincing as to the views of the and to ensure that the challenge is met, and majority.'' met strongly, in the interests of the industry. On 29 July 1971 I asked the then Minister I entered the debate only to say, as the for Primary Industries the following representative of a very large group of fisher­ question- men in my electorate, that the proposed Bill "(1) As he has said that the move to has been long awaited and will serve the form a statutory fishermen's organisation interests of the fishing industry very well. is a most progressive move and that his 100 3118 Primary Producers', &c., [20 MARCH 1973] Act Amendment Bill

Department has asked for a definite num­ barramundi die in them. Those are the ber of signatures from licensees, is he licences that you issue to people in North aware that there are only 12 full-time Queensland-your Country Party supporters. fishermen out of 51 licensees in the Innis­ fail district? The CHAIRMAN: Order! The honourable member will please address the Chair. "(2) Does this same problem arise in other areas and what is the situation in Mr. F. P. MOORE: I am telling the Min­ all districts? ister that if he wants to be facetious, let him "(3) In view of his statement will he come up north with me, not with the fisheries take immediate action to introduce legisla­ inspector. I will take him to one of these tion to form this organisation and thus Country Party fishermen who were issued aid what I believe to be a very important with fishermen's licences under false pre­ primary industry?" tences and who, when they do not have time to go back to their nets, let the fish die and The Minister replied- rot in the rivers. "(1 and 2) I am aware that there is a As the honourable member for Isis has proportion of fishermen in all districts said, I have here the general proposals pre­ who are not full-time. sented to the Minister or his department. I "(3) Appropriate action is being taken find that the Minister said that in the brief by industry bodies to ascertain the extent initial period the over-all organisation will of support for the formation of a statutory consist of branches at local level, district fishermen's organisation. Further action councils at district level and a State council must await the outcome." at State level. The Minister has abided by that, but what are the districts? You have At that stage I did not have the Press release not elaborated on that. I suppose we will of 1970, which is on a Department of have to wait. If you are going to follow the Primary Industries letterhead. The Press instructions, the next thing-- release and the Minister's reply to my question on 29 July 1971 were a total The CHAIRMAN: Order! I will not cover-up. What about his statement here remind the honourable member again that that he was going to present the matter to he must address his remarks to the Chair. Cabinet? The fishermen of North Queens­ Mr. F. P. MOORE: Mr. Lickiss, I can land have been held to ransom. The Minister hardly see you over the Sergeant-at-Arms. has made impossible demands on them· he has asked them to present the impos;ible. The CHAIRMAN: I think the honourable I have here a photostat copy of every fisher­ member would have a rough idea of the area man's licence that has been issued in the where I am located. Innisfail area. Only 12 out of 51 of those people are full-time fishermen. The Mr. F. P. MOORE: Let us have a look at rest of them are publicans, storekeepers, the various proposals. The proposal for the cane-farmers, school-teachers, and so on. Far North includes all ports and landings north of Cairns and in the Gulf of Carpen­ The Minister is going to classify these taria; the North includes all ports and land­ people as part of a primary industry. I think ings from Mackay north and including he will have to reclassify the licences. I am Cairns; the North Central includes all ports not in a position to make any proposal. The and landings south of Mackay to and includ­ Minister has officials in his department who, ing Bundaberg; the South Central includes somewhere along the line, must establish a all ports and landings south of Bundaberg to line of demarcation between "hill-billy" fish­ and including Caloundra; and the South in­ ermen, if I might call them that-the pleas­ cludes all ports and landings south of ure fishermen-and those whose livelihood Caloundra to the Queensland-New South depends on what they catch. Wales border. I mention this only to see if the proposals presented to me in 1970 by Mr. Bl:ake: First degree, second degree and the fishermens' organisations have been third degree. abided by. Mr. F. P. MOORE: If the honourable Another matter-I have already mentioned member wants to put it that way, well and it-is the Minister's definition of "fishermen". good. Are you going to regard these half-baked fishermen with nets in the same light as Mr. Sullivan: What division do you qualify those whose livelihood depends on catching in-the "hill-billy" section? fish? Getting onto the levies, the proposal in their submission is that you take the levy Mr. F. P. MOORE: I do not have much at the same time as the licence fee. time to go fishing now, but when I did I was renowned for catching quite a number The CHAIRMAN: Order! The Chairman of fish, and all on a hand-line-unlike you does not take the levy at any time. Once and your Country Party friends who net off again, would the honourable member please every creek in North Queensland and let the address the Chair. Primary Producers', &c., (20 MARCH 1973] Act Amendment Bill 3119

Mr. F. P. MOORE: By all means. Agricultural Bank. The Labor Party has always clearly stated its intention of declar­ Through you, Mr. Lickiss, I should like ing fishing as a primary industry. to present a few points stated here. This is what the fishermen say- As to the levies, assuming that the quali­ fications of the fishermen are based on the "In considering how best to define a holding of a master fisherman's licence or fisherman for the purpose of participating an employee fisherman's licence, I think it in the organisation, the fundamental ques­ is appropriate to make a per-capita levy on tion to be decided is whether or not crew­ all fishermen who hold such licences. In men or share fishermen are to be included." determining the rates, there would seem to If they are to be included, a fisherman be nothing to prevent the fixing of variable might be defined as a person who currently rates for licensed master fishermen and holds either a master fisherman's licence or licensed employee fishermen. Consideration an employee fisherman's licence within the might also be given to the practicability of meaning of the Fisheries Act 1957-62. If, fixing various rates according to the size on the other hand, they are not to be of vessels or other criteria. I certainly do included, the definition might be restricted not think that the number of catches can be to a person who currently holds a master taken as a criterion. fisherman's licence within the meaning of Quotas already exist in the sugar industry, the Act. and it is proposed to introduce them into Each one of the people on the list is the rice and egg industries. I believe that defined as a master fisherman. I ask the if catches are levied, the Government will Minister to clarify the situation. Those 12 find itself in serious trouble. full-time fishermen depend on the sea. I Many Ministers seem to find it difficult suggest that they should be classified in to assimilate facts, so at the risk of repeating another way, and the remainder given a myself once more I again ask the Minister licence. to answer the questions I have presented. Mr. R. E. Moore: What are you going to Mr. ROW (Hinchinbrook) (10.55 p.m.): I caJI them-graziers? have always been closely associated with the Primary Producers' Organisation and Market­ Mr. F. P. MOORE: You couldn't catch ing Act. It is one of the oldest and most a good moth, let alone a fish. important Acts in Queensland embracing Mr. Sherrington: He also talks a lot of statutory organisations charged with admin­ codswallop. istration in a great range of primary industry products, and their regulation, marketing and Mr. F. P. MOORE: "Codswallop" is the control. The Council of Agriculture, which word. is the corporate body of the various market­ ing boards and organisations formed under The CHAIRMAN: Order! this Act, encompasses the vast range of primary products that this bountiful State of Mr. Sullivan: You've asked me this about ours produces, including its animal industries, three times. Would you get on to something fruit industries and crop industries. I am else? now pleased to say that we can include the fishing industry in this range. The Mr. F. P. MOORE: I am stressing my council's job of co-ordinating the functions point. You have taken since 1969 to move of the various boards and organisations with on it. I should say that the department, those of the department has been of invalu­ through the previous Minister (Mr. Row), able benefit to primary industry organisations failed to move on it. I hope you get off in Queensland. your backside and do a bit more. The Minister, the Director of Agriculture and the Director of Marketing are to be The CHAIRMAN: Order! I will not warn congratulated on the part that they and the honourable member again. He will their officers have played in carrying out address his remarks to the Chair, otherwise functions that are so important to all primary he will resume his seat. industry organisations and groups. I admire the tolerance displayed by these gentlemen Mr. F. P. MOORE: I hope that when any in remaining in the Lobby till so late in other proposal is submitted to any Minister, the evening. he does not sit on his great bottom and do nothing for three years. That is what The amendments proposed under this occurred in this instance. Again I charge measure can only serve to augment the the Minister with having let down the valuable functions now carried out. It is fishermen. well to note that the Central Queensland Egg Marketing Board is to have a separate Will fishermen be eligible for loans through voice on the council. That should create the Agricultural Bank? The Minister has greater harmoney in the industry. Council not said so. If fishing is to be declared of Agriculture meetings are now to be held a primary industry, I hope that fishermen twice a year. That will certainly give more will be abie to obtain finance from the scope to the participants in council meetings 3120 Primary Producers', &c., (20 MARCH 1973] Act Amendment Bill to bring matters before the council much Townsville is a growing centre of develop­ more effectively than was the case when ment and I see no reason why fishing industry only one meeting was held each year. plans in North Queensland should not include some research activity in this area, bearing The provision for winding-up boards when in mind that the James Cook University and they become unnecessary owing to the similar facilities are available to study the increased scope of improved organisations highly technical side of this activity. or the merging of interests will certainly simplify the whole function of the Council Many people are interested in controlling of Agriculture. the ecology of fishing grounds and fish-breed­ ing estuaries along the North Queensland The borrowing and investment powers of coast. This is borne out, particularly in my marketing boards to be approved by the case, by the fact that I was required to Minister under the amending legislation is present a petition last week asking for the certainly a step in the right direction. They closure of the Hinchinbrook Channel as a will be able to make better financial arrange­ means of improving the study of the ecology ments. The investment of funds on short of fish breeding in that area. I can assure the term will be of great benefit to many of Committee that, although this petition may these bodies. The Sugar Experiment Stations have smacked of parochialism to some extent, Board has enjoyed this privilege for many it is a genuine effort to try to save the fish years. Judging by my experience on that life of North Queensland, and I hope some­ board, its power to make short-term invest­ thing will now come of such genuine moves ments has been invaluable, and its finances in this direction. have benefited markedly. I hope that that Some primary producers still do not agree may be the case with the other marketing anJ organisational boards which are covered with organised marketing and control of by this legislation. Boards which receive industries through regulation. Usually, indus­ short seasonal income should benefit greatlv tries seek membership of statutory bodies. as they will be able to usefully employ the History has proved that resisters have eventu­ money over the annual budgetary period ally found it necessary to accept control and pending disbur~ements. regulation for their own benefit. I certainly trust that the fishing industry and its members I agree with honourable members who will find it expedient to do this. I heartily have spoken that the most important amend­ support the Bill. ment relates to the inclusion of the fishing industry organisation. I note from th~ Mr. BURNS (lytton) (11.3 p.m.): It seems Minister's opening remarks that a request that the Government, which does not believe came from 450 commercial fishermen. I in compulsory unionism, intends to introduce wonder how many of the hillbillies referred compulsory membership into the fishing to by the honourable member for Mourilyan industry. The Minister said that provision is are represented in that number. When I to be made for setting up branches at local consider the State of Queensland as a whole, level, and that all professional fishermen in I do not believe that the 450 could possibly the area will be members of the local branch. include all the people referred to by him At a later stage he said that the branch or as non-commercial or bogus fishermen. I branches will be represented on councils. think he exaggerated a little when making his remarks. Mr. Sullivan: They will have the oppor­ tunity of joining. Our eastern seaboard must be one of the world's most fruitful fishing grounds. Our Mr. BURNS: The Minister did not say tropical condition'S make it a year-round that. He said straight out that all professional industry. I do not doubt that foreign fisheries fishermen will be members. He then said they have operated there for many years, and it would be charged levies, or that levies would is certainly very pleasing to know that our be struck on them. As far as I can see, it own domestic fishing industry will be able means that they have to join and they have to compete with them. We should have been to pay. That is compulsory activity on the taking full advantage of this potential years part of a Government which, every time the ago. With the prospects of organisation and "Dorothy Dixers" are around at question being able to finance better equipment and time, seems to act the other way on compul­ bigger boats, I sincerely hope that our fishing sory unionism. industry will be able to compete with those This is probably the only way that Jack people who, from time to time, have taken Jones and others will be able to get out advantage of their superior resources in of the quandary they have been placed in. poaching on our fishing grounds. An article in the "Wynnum Herald" dealing Consolidation of the industry should pro­ with a meeting of fishermen in the Wynnum vide strength and ability to cope in many and Redland Bay areas carries the headline, ways with the problems that beset it. Like "Fishermen allege Betrayal by Provisional the honourable member for Landsborough, I Council." believe that better research is absolutely I have here a copy of the report of the essential, and this should certainly follow in second meeting of the Provisional Council of the wake of the proposed organisation of the Proposed Queenslapd Commercial Fisher­ the industry. men's Organisation, which was held in the Primary Producers', &c., [20 MARCH 1973] Act Amendment Bill 3121 office of the Council of Agriculture, 369 Mr. BURNS: Perhaps it is time the Com­ George Street, on Friday, 21 July. The monwealth Government was approached and minutes show that what is suggested in the asked. I will say for Senator Wriedt that newspaper article is indeed a fact, and I shall he was a sea-going man, and perhaps an go through this document in a moment. approach made along the right lines on Earlier-! am sorry that I do not have behalf of fishermen would produce some the date-Mr. Jones, representing the Council results. But the first move is up to the of Agriculture, attending a meeting at the State Government. It is going to assist the Manly Hotel, and he there said that there small fishermen to purchase decent boats? Or would be branch, district or regional is it going to allow them to go to sea in councils, four in all, one from North some of the claptrap outfits they are using Queensland, one from North Central, one now? Is the Government going to allow from South Central and one from South investors to pour a little money into cheap Queensland. Fishermen in the southern part boats, hire men at less than the basic of the State are saying that most of the \\age, and tie them down with contracts net fishermen are in this area, and this and deals that do not give them a chance large number of fishermen will only have to make a decent living? Is it going to equal representation on the council with allow men to work long hours, in poor some of the smaller fishing groups from conditions, and, in many cases, with lousy Innisfail and other North Queensland areas. nets and equipment? They are not happy about this situation, nor Mr. Bromley: They are not entitled to are they happy about some of the proposals workers' compensation, either. put forward by Mr. Jones and the policy items put forward by the provisional council. Mr. BURNS: No, nor do they receive I am sure that the honourable members long service leave. for Redlands and Wynnum will be speaking Mr. Sullivan: You apparently were not on these matters at the second-reading stage here when we amended the other Act in and putting forward the proposals of fisher­ connection with the Fish Board. men in those areas. Mr. BURNS: The North Queensland Fish I notice that the minutes of the meeting Board? I referred to mention the Minister's promise in July 1972 that this matter would be Mr. Sullivan: No. coming before the session of Parliament in that yenr, nnd that the suggestions coming Mr. BURNS: It must have been before from this body would have far-reaching my time. I was elected to this Parliament effects on this industry. I think it is necessary in May 1972. to have one organisation to represent the Mr. §uliivan: It is since I have been fishermen. I also recognise the dilemma Minister for Primary Industries. that Mr. Jones and others have been placed in because the different groups of fishermen Mr. BURNS: I must proceed; I cannot will not pull together, with the result that allow the Minister to take up all my time. there has been some difficulty in organising He will have a chance to make his com­ a single group of professional fishermen in ments when he replies. this way. Some of the recommendations that have The fishing industry needs recognition as been made relate to coastal, in-shore fishing, a primary industry, and it also needs financial and laying down the borders from Swains assistance. It should receive all the assistance Reef along the 150-fathom mark. I do not that is given to other primary industries. know if those are proposals that should Flood and drought relief is given to primary be coming from such a statutory organisa­ producers in country areas, and there should tion, or whether they are policy matters. be similar assistance for fishermen who have I do not know what decisions have been suffered through bad seasons, storms, and, made on them. Has the Minister, or his for example, pollution that has been none department on behalf of the fishing industry, of their making. If a fisherman hauls in accepted some of these proposals before the a ton of mullet and, because it is tainted, organisation has even got off the ground? it is dumped by the board after he has If the proposals have been accepted, are paid for cartage, ice, inspection fees and fishermen going to be forced to join the everything else, he suffers a very severe blow. organisation, to pay fees, and to accept There is probably the necessity for an decisions made beforehand? Some of the approach to the Commonwealth Government things said by the Minister tonight were in relation to social service payments for said by Mr. Jones at the Manly Hotel them if they are laid up for lengthy periods six months ago. because of weather conditions and other factors beyond their control. The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN (Mr. W. D. Hewitt): Order! I shall be grateful if Mr. Sullivan: If it is classified as a primary the honourable member will direct his com­ industry, do you think the Federal Govern­ ments to the Chair. ment might be sympathetic to it? They have not been sympathetic to many other primary Mr. BURNS: I am sorry, Mr. Hewitt. I industries. apologise. 3122 Primary Producers', &c., [20 MARCH 1973] Act Amendment Bill

I agree with the committee's argument that City Council on its decision to destroy some a bona-fide fisherman should be one who mangrove swamps and thus provide new areas receives 66t per cent of his total income from for tourism. He will have to argue and fight fishing. That is a far better proposal than again&t the decision, made unanimously, I the one that a person has to send 1,000 lb. of understand, by the Brisbane City Council, the fish to .the market. For example, the type of State Government and the Commonwealth part-time fishermen about whom the honour­ Government to develop a new airport for able member for Mourilyan spoke earlier Brisbane and pump 10,000,000 cubic yards of would only have to "hit" the mullet in the sand out of the middle banks in Moreton Bay, peak of the season in March or April to send as the answer of the relevant Minister indicated 1,000 lb. to the market in one week. They are in this Chamber recently. He will have to then finished for the year, but they are recog­ fight the people involved in causing pollution, nised as professional fishermen and are entitled including the pollution from the Luggage Point to exemption from sales tax on their nets and sewerage plant, which those in the industry on parts for their boats. They are also and the C.S.I.R.O. have said is responsible, entitled to haul and use nets in areas in which together with the effluent from the oil some amateur fishermen are permitted to use refineries, for the kerosene taint in fish caught only a hand-line. Many people are paying a in Moreton Bay. He will have to fight pollu­ small licence fee, meeting the provisions of tion from dredges that are now operating in the Act, then using a net for their own the Wellington Point and Deception Bay specific purposes from time to time. areas. The new organisation will need some very strong and positive support from the The question of finance will present major Minister on these matters. problems to the average small fisherman. It will not have the same effect on the big-boat I should like to hear some answers to fishermen or the trawler fisherman with a the proposals that have been put forward in $20,000 or $30,000 outfit, but it will affect the correspondence to the Minister. Since July little fellow, fishing out of Wynnum Creek or last year, the source from which I received Doboy Creek, with a 16 or 20-foot boat with the minutes that I referred to has dried up. an inboard motor and a half cabin, or some­ However, the Minister and his depart­ times even without a cabin, and about 1,800 mental officers were asked to accept a yards of net. In many instances one sees differentiation between a master fisherman's these men on the other side of Moreton licence and a trawler operator's licence. It Island, tunnelling off and staking their nets was suggested that trawler operator's licences along areas there. The full value of their should be restricted to persons with three outfit probably would be about $2,000, and years' experience at sea, at least one year they need finance. Many of them are using of which was as a deckhand on a trawler. petrol engines. If about half a dozen boats One sees that there are very few trawler were tied up in Wynnum Creek and one operators represented on the committee that of these petrol engines caught alight, half of drew up the proposal. Are the trawler the fishing fleet that supplies Wynnum would operators going to be happy with it? Are be lost-and I think the Wynnum depot is the other sections of the industry represented? I second-largest supplier of mullet to the suppose research into oyster-farm failures Queensland market. would be acceptable to all sections of the industry. Mr. Kaus: Why are they allowed to stake on Moreton Island? Mr. Frawley interjected. Mr. BURNS: I do not have shares in Mr. BURNS: The Government allows them Tanga!ooma. I will lay my financial state­ to do it. I have seen them there. The ment on the table any time if the honourable Minister for Lands and Forestry was with me member and his colleagues will do the in a helicopter when we flew right over the same. I am prepared to disclose my income­ top of them, and I pointed them out to him. tax figures for the last five years. If that They were not tunnelling off, either. We were done, we would find out about "shady drove back in a jeep later and saw the small Lane's" building business and the honourable dead fish on the beach. member's rotten old- Mr. Lam~: How is the fishing at Tanga­ looma? The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN (Mr. W. D. Hewitt): Order! The personal transactions Mr. BURNS: The fishing is good at of honourable members have nothing to do Tangalooma. How are the cop-shop activities with the Bill under discussion. of the secret police? Mr. BURNS: I do not mind tabling my The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN: Order! financial transactions if honourable members opposite are prepared to do the same. We Mr. BURNS: Habitat areas have been men­ will never find them doing that, because tioned. If the new organisation is to represent each and every one of them has been the fishermen on the question of the preserva­ involved in a few shady operations. tion of breeding areas and nursery areas, one of the matters that will have to be considered The question we have to worry about is what action the Minister will take on its tonight is how the Minister is going to behalf. He will have to fight the Gold Coast make this organisation work. The only Primary Producers', &c., [20 MARCH 1973] Act Amendment Bill 3123

information in the Minister's speech was still are, paying locally for prawns. Prices that it will be compulsory for fishermen have gone as high as $1.60 and $1.80 a lb. to join, and that it will be compulsory for At the same time, because of insufficient them to pay levies. This means that they processing devices, $200,000 worth of prawns will have to join and will have to participate. were wasted. In that way the Minister will create a The whole history of prawn fishing in the situation where there will be tremendous Gulf seems to have been based on a principle problems in the organisation, because mem­ of hit and miss. The industry has never been bers of the fishing industry are upset at properly organised and this, I believe, has the way some sections of it have been led to a completely chaotic situation without excluded from the discussions or have not any benefit to the fishermen and certainly been given representation on this provisional with none to the consuming public. council. In future, as they are forced into the organisation, they will carry that argument While the industry has problems relating and disputation into it. The organisation is to marketing and handling, I think a more starting off on very shaky ground. insidious problem is to be found in what is happening to the Reef waters and other tidal Mr. SHERRINGTON (Salisbury) (11.17 waters throughout the State. I think it is p.m.): Possibly no primary industry in this little short of scandalous that, a couple of State has had as many trials and tribulations days ago, we saw the honourable member as the fishing industry has had in recent for South Coast rising in this Chamber and years. Most speakers in this debate have asking questions about the disposal of sewage dealt with problems of finance, inadequate effluent into Tallebudgera Creek, which has gear, and attendant problems. If the inten­ within its boundaries a declared fish habitat tion of the Bill is carried into effect, at reserve. This is not new; the battle of Talle­ least the legislation will assist to overcome budgera Creek has been going on for years. some of the industry's problems. If it is not the Gold Coast City Council wanting to dump effluent into it, it is the Most speakers have dealt with what one Main Roads Minister wanting to build a might refer to as the problems of the bridge directly across the marine habitat mechanics of the industry, but these have reserve. been a relatively minor facet of the fishing Mr. R. E. Moore: They should have, too. industry throughout Australia. Most of the problems seem to have stemmed from Mr. SHERRINGTON: They should have marketing processes and inadequately what? organised fishing of the coastal waters. I have in mind an article that appeared in Mr. R. E. Moore: Built the bridge where the Press in 1972. It pointed out that they wanted to in the first place. something like $200,000 worth of prawns Mr. SHERRINGTON: I am afraid that, caught in the Gulf of Carpentaria had been for once in my life, I am stumped for an dumped because of lack of capacity to answer. Quite frankly, I don't think the handle the catch. honourable member for Windsor knows what I am talking about, or even where Talle­ Mr. Kaus interjected. budgera is. Mr. SHERRINGTON: I did not catch Mr. Lane: It won't stop you. what the honourable member said. For a moment I though he said, "You didn't have Mr. SHERRINGTON: The honourable Gough there to sell them to." In any case, member for Merthyr has not been here all this is no joking matter to me. Indeed, it day. He has been out spying along the is little short of scandalous. It shows the corridors, listening to what is going on. He comes in here at a quarter past 11 and lack of appreciation and the lack of help interjects to get his name in "Hansard" and that the industry has received from the thus let the people of Merthyr know he has Government over the years. It is not a matter to be taken lightly that $200,000 been here. worth of prawns had to be dumped. The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN (Mr. W. D. Hewitt): Order! I suggest that the Mr. Bruce Small: You would "whittle 'em" honourable member get on with his speech. away. Mr. SHERRINGTON: And I suggest that Mr. SHERRINGTON: The honourable the honourable member for Merthyr shut his member likes to make jokes about Gough big mouth. Whitlam. I assure him that the people of Australia got the "raw prawn" from Billy The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN: Order! McMahon for long enough. Mr. Lane: Let's have some dignity. As I was saying, the most alarming thing Mr. SHERRINGTON: The honomable is that the bulk of the prawn catch is being member would not know what dignity is. flown overseas; it is leaving the shores of As a matter of fact, it is his example that has Australia. At the same time, I have vivid resulted in many members of the Police recollections of the prices people were, and Force being known as "wallopers". 3124 Primary Producers', &c., [20 MARCH 1973] Act Amendment Bill

The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN: Order! coral trout and mackerel. Research has 'Will the honourable member please return indicated that the contamination stems to the Bill. from algal deposits on which the smaller fish feed as part of the food chain. Mr. Lane interjected. Mr. Lee: Do you think the spraying of Mr. SHERRINGTON: I have a very mosquitoes has anything to do with it? healthy respect for the police, but I am afraid the honourable member does not do them Mr. SHERRINGTON: I thank the honour­ any credit. able member f.or an intelligent interjection. It would be hard to pinpoint the cause. As A very insidious problem is arising because a matter of fact, I have here a cutting which of various aspects of pollution throughout the indicates that DDT residues have been found State. I hope that the formation of this in fish caught off the Queensland coast. statutory body 1.·ill lead to tremendous pres­ sure being applied in the right quarters not The CHAIRMAN: Order! I remind the only to have research conducted into pollu­ honourable member that the Bill deals with tion problems, but also to hold an investiga­ the Primary Producers' Organisation and tion into the many techniques by which the Marketing Act, not with diseases in fish. fishing industry can be improved. Perhaps one of the most pressing problems Mr. SHERRINGTOJ'\': I think you will that confront the fishing industry is the a.~ree, Mr. Lickiss, that the Minister spoke inability to find the reason for kerosene taint of conservation in the fish industry. If in mullet caught in South-east Queensland diseases in fish are not part of the make-uo waters. I can recall that Dr. Connell of the Littoral Society conducted a tremendous of the Bill, there is something radically wrong amount of research in the off-shore waters of with it. the State. His organisation was adamant that [ was fed a lot of "jazz" in this Assembly the source of the kerosene taint in mullet in about "red spot" disease in fish being a South-east Queensland was to be found in fungal disease of a temporary nature, but the discharge of sewage into the Brisbane it is getting worse, particularly in the Burnett River. River. I was told that bream and other Mr. Frawley: Raw sewage at Luggage fish were suffering from the disease merely Point. because the salinity of the ocean was affected by cyclonic rains off the Queens­ Mr. SHERRINGTON: I am not going to land coast. The cyclones have been over dispute that it is raw sewage. for a long time, but the disease is getting worse. As we are discussing a Bill dealing Mr. Lane: What is the council doing about with the livelihood of fishermen, surely fish it? diseases are important. I suggest that they will exercise the thoughts of the body of Mr. SHERRINGTON: You'd be too men to be established under this Bill to stupid to realise that sewage was dumped into speak on behalf of fishermen. the river long before a Labor council came into office. Mr. Kaus interjected.

The TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN (Mr. Mr. SHERRINGTON: That relates to the W. D. Hewitt): Order! pollution problems that have occurred and are getting worse. Eventually serious prob­ lems must develop in our fishing industry Mr. SHERRINGTON: The honourable off the coast because two of our main fish member for Merthyr has forgotten that it species, that is, coral trout and mackerel was dumped into the river in the days of are already suspected of being the means by Sir John Chandler, and even prior to that. which a disease is transmitted to human­ The migratory habits of mullet along the beings. 'vVe cannot overlook the increasing Queensland coast seem to indicate that the quantities of mercury, cadmium and so on that are being discharged into the oceans source of the kerosene taint lies within from all our rivers. The Senate select com­ reasonable proximity to the port of Brisbane. mittee on water pollution was told that every However, despite consistent research-carried stream on the eastern seaboard of Australia out, I have no doubt, with limited resources­ was polluted. That, in itself, must have a the source of the taint has not been identified serious effect. with any degree of accuracy. In considering the importance of the fishing industry in primary production, I This problem must be making tremendous say that we have merely scratched the inroads into the livelihood of professional surface of its potential. fishermen who operate out of Brisbane. But, to make matters worse, other serious prob­ Mr. Kaus: Do you think the Federal Gov­ lems have arisen. I cite ciguatera poisoning, ernment should extend our border across the which can result from eating contaminated Gulf? Primary Producers', &c., (20 MARCH 1973] Act Amendment Bill 3125

Mr. SHERRINGTON: I am afraid that, The CHAIRMAN: Order! I can assure if I get into a border dispute, I will be the honourable member that I have the list pulled into line by the Chairman. in front of me, as supplied by the Govern­ ment Whip, and that the honourable mem­ Mr. Sullivan: You have been all around ber's name does not appear on it. Therefore, the mulberry bush already. I did not call him.

Mr. SHERRINGTON: I have not been Mr. SHERRINGTON: I rise to a point of all around the mulberry bush. order. In all fairness to the honourable member for Belyando, I think there has been The CHAIRMAN: Order! The honour­ some misunderstanding. I understood that able member will address the chair. the Government Whip had agreed to have him included on the list. If there has been any misunderstanding, it has been purely Mr. SHERRINGTON: I certainly will, accidental. I understand I conveyed the Mr. Lickiss. Government members are honourable member's name to the Govern­ simply trying to get me "south of the ment Whip. border" for a few minutes. As one who always obeys the chair, I would not wish The CHAIRMAN: Regardless of what the to transgress on your good nature. honourable gentleman may have conveyed to the Government Whip, the Chairman of The importance of this new organisation Committees has been provided with a list, to lies in the extent of unanimity that can be which I have been adhering. The name of achieved by it. Some years ago, as chairman the honourable member for Belyando does not of an Opposition committee which considered appear on it. If we are to work to lists, we this matter, I was privileged to speak to will work to them. If we are not, I will the Professional Fishermen's League. One disregard them and call honourable members of the main matters concerning the league as they :rise in their places. in those days was whether or not we should fish our coastline on a zonal basis, under Mr. SULUVAN: I, too, have a list and which certain areas would be spelled accord­ ing to the harvest taken in order to allow the name of the honourable member for the fish to regenerate. It was felt that Belyando is not on it. However, he has had no longer could fishermen take a boat out­ a pretty good run tonight. He has made side and start fishing on any part of the some contributions. No doubt he will have Queensland coastline. I hope that the an opportunity to speak to the second reading formation of this body will permit the pro­ of this Bill. fessional organisation to put its ideas for­ ward to the Minister or the authority It would seem that honourable members on responsible for administering this legislation both sides of the Chamber are receptive to and so ensure that many of the known the introduction of the Bill. During the problems can be avoided. debate, honourable members have "cotched" onto the provision that allows for the setting­ Hon. V. B. SULUVAN (Condamine­ up of a statutory organisation, and have cast Minister for Primary Industries) (11.35 p.m.), a few lines in various directions. I will deal in reply: Mr. Lickiss,-- with many of these matters at the second­ reading stage. However, many of them come Mr. O'DONNELL: Mr. Lickiss,-- under the Fisheries Act, which I hope will be amended l:tter in the year. The CHAIRMAN: I call the Minister, in reply. I think everybody agrees that the setting up of a statutory organisation in the fishing An Opposition Member interjected. industry is perhaps a little overdue. Never­ theless, we are coming to grips with the The CHAIRMAN: Order! I remind the problem. Having talked to people from Committee that we are working to a list com­ various fishing organisations, I believe that piled with the co-operation of the Govern­ this is what they want. The existing organi­ sations will be able to put their views to the ment Whip and the Opposition Wbip. I say statutory organisation, which will be where; to the Whips concerned that either they policies are established. discipline their members to work to the lists or I shall disregard lists completely and call Motion (Mr. Sullivan) agreed to. honourable members as they rise. I am pre­ Resolution reported. pared to co-operate in the use of lists. I leave it to the Whips to discipline their FIRST READING respective members. Bi]] presented and, on motion of Mr. Mr. O'DONNELL: I rise to a point of Sullivan, read a first time. order. I should like you to know that I was listed. The House adjourned at 11.41 p.m.