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OH805 GOLDSWORTHY, Reuben STATE LIBRARY OF SOUTH AUSTRALIA J. D. SOMERVILLE ORAL HISTORY COLLECTION OH 541/6 Full transcript of an interview with SHIRLEY MILICH on 14 September 1999 By Aileen Treagus Recording available on CD Access for research: Unrestricted Right to photocopy: Copies may be made for research and study Right to quote or publish: Publication only with written permission from the State Library OH 541/6 SHIRLEY MILICH NOTES TO THE TRANSCRIPT This transcript was created by the J. D. Somerville Oral History Collection of the State Library. It conforms to the Somerville Collection's policies for transcription which are explained below. Readers of this oral history transcript should bear in mind that it is a record of the spoken word and reflects the informal, conversational style that is inherent in such historical sources. The State Library is not responsible for the factual accuracy of the interview, nor for the views expressed therein. As with any historical source, these are for the reader to judge. It is the Somerville Collection's policy to produce a transcript that is, so far as possible, a verbatim transcript that preserves the interviewee's manner of speaking and the conversational style of the interview. Certain conventions of transcription have been applied (ie. the omission of meaningless noises, false starts and a percentage of the interviewee's crutch words). Where the interviewee has had the opportunity to read the transcript, their suggested alterations have been incorporated in the text (see below). On the whole, the document can be regarded as a raw transcript. Abbreviations: The interviewee’s alterations may be identified by their initials in insertions in the transcript. Punctuation: Square bracket [ ] indicate material in the transcript that does not occur on the original tape recording. This is usually words, phrases or sentences which the interviewee has inserted to clarify or correct meaning. These are not necessarily differentiated from insertions the interviewer or by Somerville Collection staff which are either minor (a linking word for clarification) or clearly editorial. Relatively insignificant word substitutions or additions by the interviewee as well as minor deletions of words or phrases are often not indicated in the interest of readability. Extensive additional material supplied by the interviewee is usually placed in footnotes at the bottom of the relevant page rather than in square brackets within the text. A series of dots, .... .... .... .... indicates an untranscribable word or phrase. Sentences that were left unfinished in the normal manner of conversation are shown ending in three dashes, - - -. Spelling: Wherever possible the spelling of proper names and unusual terms has been verified. A parenthesised question mark (?) indicates a word that it has not been possible to verify to date. Typeface: The interviewer's questions are shown in bold print. Discrepancies between transcript and tape: This proofread transcript represents the authoritative version of this oral history interview. Researchers using the original tape recording of this interview are cautioned to check this transcript for corrections, additions or deletions which have been made by the interviewer or the interviewee but which will not occur on the tape. See the Punctuation section above.) Minor discrepancies of grammar and sentence structure made in the interest of readability can be ignored but significant changes such as deletion of information or correction of fact should be, respectively, duplicated or acknowledged when the tape recorded version of this interview is used for broadcast or any other form of audio publication. 2 WE REMEMBER DAISY BATES: J.D. SOMERVILLE ORAL HISTORY COLLECTION, MORTLOCK LIBRARY OF SOUTH AUSTRALIANA: INTERVIEW NO. OH 541/6 Aileen Treagus interviewing Shirley Milich on 14th September 1999. TAPE 1 SIDE A This is Aileen Treagus interviewing Shirley Milich at the home of Peg Mallycha in Loxton on the 14th of September 1999 for the Ayers House exhibition, We remember Daisy Bates. (Tape is blank for a few seconds.) Shirley, could you please tell me your full name? Shirley Helen Milich. And what year were you born? Nineteen twenty-six. And were you born here at Loxton? Yes, in the old Loxton hospital. Were you? And what was your maiden name then? Karsten [?]. My father came from Tanunda and married one of the local girls. Did he? I’ve lived here all my life. My mother was born here, too, in Loxton. Was she? Mmh’m. Now, what did your father do? My father was a motor mechanic at Hugo Japp’s Garage here in Loxton for many years. And what work did you do? Well, when I left school I worked in the Westover’s Bakery, in the shop, and I did a bit of fruit picking and then I went to work at the hotel as an upstairs maid and waitress. And then in 1944 I joined the Navy, I had two years in the Navy, and I came back to Loxton and worked at the hotel again until I was married in 1948. Oh, thank you for that. So you had quite a rounded career. 3 Well, I was an only daughter and a bit lonely, I suppose, and I thought I’d like to get away for a little while, do my bit for the King and Country! (laughs) Yes. No, I had two good years. Where did you serve? Well, I joined here at Adelaide, and I had six weeks’ rookies at Port Melbourne, and then I was drafted to Townsville for ten months and came down again and three months at Balmoral Naval Depot in Sydney and the last three months in Flinders Naval Depot, where I was discharged from there. Oh, thank you for that. So at which stage of your career did you become interested in Daisy Bates? Oh, that was back in my school days, about the mid-1930’s, I suppose it would have been, and a girlfriend and I used to ride down to Pyap on our pushbikes that was only five miles down and we’d pop in and sit with Daisy for a while and watch her feed her possums. (laughs) Where was she living? Down at Pyap on the riverbank. Can you describe her home? Well, I thought she was in one tent, but I realise that it must have been two two tents that she lived in. Right on the bank of the river, and surrounded by lovely gum trees and . Beautiful place. Yes. But we used to sit with her for a while and then ride home again. Not much to do in a little country town. And then, later on, when I started going with my husband, and I found that he lived at Pyap and he used to visit her and became quite friendly with her. They used to walk along the riverbank and find sharks’ teeth and their middens, fires, and . And Daisy and he walked along together Yes. 4 and searched for them. Yes. I can well, I can still see her now in her long, black dress and her buttoned up boots. (laughs) This is from what I remember of her. She was a lovely lady, and very well spoken and interesting to listen to. Now, you have brought along some artefacts here that your husband found in his walks and explorations with Daisy. I wonder if, maybe although we can’t see them you could just describe what they are? What’s this largish stone here? This one’s got an indentation in it here, and that was where the thumb would have gone to make it easier to throw and, you know, after their . A throwing stone? Yes, a throwing stone. And this one has got a sharp edge, so it would have been used as a cutting stone. And this larger one would have been had a handle tied to it with the sinews of kangaroos’ legs, and that would have been used as a hatchet I see. or like a little axe. These are some sharks’ teeth that we found along the banks of the river, too. (rattling sound, as of teeth being spilled on a table) Quite a collection of them. And these little (sound as of matchbox being opened) stones like this with sharp edges, they would have been used for skinning their (sound of items being dropped onto table) It’s extremely sharp. yes for their little roos and rabbits, whatever they caught. Was Daisy searching for signs of maybe Aboriginals who might still be living there, or ? She probably would have been. On the other side of the river there was what children around the place here used to call the Aborigines’ graves, ‘blackfellas’ graves’, and on the Saturday afternoon I know a lot of the young lads used to walk across to these graves looking for bones and things you know how young boys are 5 and I do remember seeing skulls and things that they’d brought back from these expeditions over the river. Did your did Daisy ever go over there? Well, I know she went over the river several times with Ivan in the boat, but I don’t think she would have walked that far because that would have been a couple of miles [to the cemetery]. I don’t think she would have gone right over. But she did walk along the river on this side with Ivan on occasions, and she showed him campfires or what they used to call ‘middens’, the stones, the burnt black stones, and the still ashes there of the fire. I remember Ivan telling me about that many times. Daisy would have been interested to have found those things.
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