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Current Movie Reviews, Independent Movies - Film Threat Page 1 of 6 "It was just a scratch Jim, really!" - Edward Scissorhands (1990) TRANSGRESSION CONFESSIONS: INTERVIEW WITH RICHARD KERN by Graham Rae (2007-09-12) The Cinema of Transgression was a loose-knit subterranean film movement that blossomed like a demented opiate hothouse flower in post-punk New FREE Weekly Newsletter York’s Lower East Side from 1984- 1991. Psycho-psyche innerspace your email here cadets like Nick Zedd, Lydia Lunch, Lung Leg, Tommy Turner and Tessa Hughes-Freeland made extreme Super- 8 movies that set out to trash every human taboo imaginable in their "It always is possible to be transgressive in some explorations of sex, death, exploitation, manner..." religion and more. Still of Richard Kern from "Llik Your Idols" Central to this thunderground community was photographer-cum- filmmaker Richard Kern. His angry, sick, amusing, abusing, sexy, idiotic, nihilistic, voyeuristic, psychotic shorts and twisted music videos provided the fulcrum around which the COT revolved. The lo- fi director filmed various fractured extreme artistic personalities doing what they did best and beast and worst, often to the pounding proto-industrial music of Foetus. Kern set up his camera and let his subjects (including himself) just do whatever yanked their mentally unbalanced crank, often painting Bosch- THE SCR like cinematic Rorschach screams of STUPID angry people twisting in their own DVDUES interminable internal winds on broken "'Submit To Me Now' was made when I was an all wings of pathology and agony. It out junkie..." certainly wasn’t pretty, that’s for sure. Still of Lung Leg from "Submit to Me Now" THE CA Even though many of the films haven’t DELIVE aged too well (or weren’t too well made SEVERA in the first place) there is still a raw WE ARE visceral directness in their extreme ZOO approach that is still challenging and extremely contemporary. The excellent new documentary “Llik Your Idols,” by first-time French director Angelique Bosio, provides a comprehensive 1/0 overview of the Cinema of http://www.filmthreat.com/index.php?section=interviews&Id=1157 9/20/2007 Current Movie Reviews, Independent Movies - Film Threat Page 2 of 6 Transgression. Film Threat caught up 2/1 with Richard Kern to speak to him about the new doc, his old films and his new 3/0 career as a nude photographer. He spoke to us with directness, a lack of 4/0 pretension and candor, a man changed from his deranged dazed days of the 5/3 80s… 6/2 How did your involvement in “Llik 7/5 Your Idols” come about? Angel contacted me about being in the 8/6 doc. I told her I had to meet her first. Once I met her, I told her I’d be happy to 9/7 be in the film if she would model for me. 10/8 Our first interview took place after I shot her in her room at the Chelsea Hotel. I understand you haven’t actually seen the documentary yet. Why is this? Any plans to watch it? MR. WO ACROS Yes, I’ll watch it. The last thing I want to EASTER do when I sit down at the end of the day THE BR is watch something with me in it. THE UN WOOL 1 IN THE SHOOT How many films have you made in 3:10 TO total? MUSICIA It depends on how you count them. I think there’s about 13 movies on the “Hardcore Compilation” and maybe 5-10 that aren’t available from that period. "It was something fun to do but... I took myself Then there’s 60 one minute “clips” on Will we very seriously back then..." the DVD that’s inside my new Taschen nmlkj 1) (German art book publisher – Graham) Still of Jackie from "X is Y" book “Action”. nmlkj 2) nmlkj 3) Any films lying about in the vaults maybe w that have not been seen and you plan on releasing (or not)? Yes, if I ever get around to it. I shot an entire “Submit to Me” type film that’s all black and white from the time when I was shooting the book “New York Girls.” Taschen wanted to release this with the book but there were release issues, plus I felt funny looking at that stuff after these years. Why did you stop making films? I ran out of ideas and the desire to make them. I felt that I needed to either move into larger projects of do something else. I worked on a feature for about a year but stopped. Any films from back then that you’re particularly proud of, or ones that you can’t stand, and why in both cases? I think “Fingered” accomplishes what I intended it accomplish. Most of them did, but I cringe at a lot of the production qualities (which were nonexistent) when I watch them. Most of what I feel when I watch them is a sense of wonder about that time in my life. What did you actually think you were doing back then? How do you view the whole thing now? "The girls usually contact me. Sites like MySpace Back then, I felt that making the movies and ModelMayhem make it easy for girls to post finally gave me something to do and a tons of photos of themselves and invite people to sense of purpose. Like a lot of people look them over..." who haven’t planned out their entire http://www.filmthreat.com/index.php?section=interviews&Id=1157 9/20/2007 Current Movie Reviews, Independent Movies - Film Threat Page 3 of 6 lives by the time they get out of school, I Photo by Richard Kern sat around a lot thinking of ways to spend my time. I went to art school so I was supposed to be an artist of some kind. Instead I made some fanzines, walked around taking photos and spent a lot of time talking bullshit about what I wanted to do. Plus I had to work a dumb job. When I got that first movie camera and some encouragement from some people I admired, I finally had something to do with my spare time. Ads by Google This was a lifesaver. Now, I look back that those movies and wonder what people saw in them. "GG and I were planning to do an update of my Criterion film 'You Killed Me First' with him playing the How influential do you think the father and Kymbra Phaller playing the mom..." Collection News whole Cinema of Transgression thing was? Photo by Richard Kern of GG Allin, taken hours I don’t know. before Allin's death by overdose Sign up for free newsletter for Offers, Can you see an influence in any Contests and Giveways. modern filmmakers? Again, I don’t know how to answer. criterion.com/news The whole SuicideGirls shtick seems to sort of be what you were doing two decades ago. Do you find that whole esthetic a turn-on, turn-off, exciting or boring these days? Well, I was just photographing the girls around me, I didn’t create that look. Lydia Lunch was doing Advertise on this site that scene long before I was. It all seems to go back to “Faster Pussycat, Kill, Kill”. I think SuicideGirls really did a good job reaching out to and capitalizing on that look and mindset. The look doesn’t do it for me now though. I rarely shoot girls with tattoos anymore. Has your own taste in films changed over the years? Movies seem to have gotten more boring but that’s probably just because I’m older. Who were and are your own favorite filmmakers/films? I often go back and watch films over and over again to see if they still hold up over the years. I used to really like Goddard but have a hard time with him now. I still watch old Antonioni and Eric Rohmer films. Michael Haneke and Martin Scorsese are modern filmmakers whose films I look forward to. I don’t keep up with directors like I used to. Do you think it’s more difficult to shock people now? I don’t know. I haven’t watched any of the “torture porn” films although I used to see every slasher film that came out. I watched Haneke’s “Funny Games” again recently and was still shocked by it. I understand he’s doing a remake of it. He’s such an intellectual it will be interested in seeing how he handles the concept of a remake. Any stand-out memories of your association with Film Threat? Yes. At one point in the early 90’s, Film Threat wanted to publish a book of my photos. This was around right after Larry Flynt had purchased the magazine and they were looking for projects. I laid out my photos for Dave Williams (the editor at that time) and realized I only had about 20 good images towards a book. This was a big shock to me because I considered myself something of a photographer. Becoming a photographer with a published book became my new goal. I started shooting girls all the time. These photos became my book “New York Girls.” You told me that you sell 100-200 of the “Hardcore Collection” DVDs a month through Music Video Distributors. Does this surprise you? What do you think keeps people buying them, and could you ever have foreseen this? Yes, I would have thought that the market would have dried up ages ago.