WESTERN TANAGER Volume 71 Number 3 January/February 2005 Los Angeles Audubon Society
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WESTERN TANAGER Volume 71 Number 3 January/February 2005 Los Angeles Audubon Society An Interview with Robert Ridgely by Garry George entral American birding became some background and topics that won't be a very competent amateur birder. We less confusing with the publication covered in his talk which will focus on grew up with bird feeders around the C of Birds of Panama in 1976. And the story of his discovery of the Jocotoco house and shrubs and so forth. One of my anyone who birded in South America Antpitta (Grallaria ridgelyi) and how that very earliest experiences with birds that I before the publication of Robert Ridgely discovery changed the face of conservation can remember, goes back to when I was and Guy Tudor's Birds of South America, of Neotropical birds. five years old. The New Jersey turnpike Volumes I (1989) and II (1994) remembers had just been opened in the late 1950s how overwhelmed they were by the GG: How did you first get into birds? and my father stopped because he wanted incredible numbers of species of birds and to look at a hawk and I was sitting in the new families of furnariids, antbirds, RR: Actually I've been interested in birds the back seat and peered out at the and tanagers. With the publication of virtually all my life. My very earliest hawk. It was in the wintertime. Behind those two volumes, we calmed down a memories are of birds and I think clearly us came this cop and he wanted to know little and were finally able to study the impetus for that came from my what in heavens name we were doing. before a trip, and copy, cut and paste father, Beverly Ridgely, who was a This was on the New Jersey meadowland plates and text from those unwieldy French professor and an amateur birder. back when it was still a pretty good volumes to take into the field. With the marsh. publication ofBirds of Ecuador (2001) we The very first bird I remember was had our field guide. Thanks to Bob when I was a boy looking out of the Ridgely, we finally got a handle on birds dining room window and there was a of the Neotropics. And when, in 1997, he flock of Cedar Waxwings. That's always discovered a new species of antpitta that been one of my favorite birds. I became was eventually named for him, he was a birder, just on the side, as a schoolboy rewarded for all his research, study, and back in 1954 when I was eight years old writing about Neotropical birds. and I pretty much kept a year list ever Dr. Ridgely is speaking in Los since then, although it's pretty complicated Angeles on March 19, 2005 to benefit now with all the traveling. I'm not listing five southern California Audubon very much anymore but I keep a pretty chapters (L.A., Palos Verdes/South Bay, careful northeastern list on my home Pasadena, San Fernando Valley, and turf. I've done that for years. Santa Monica Bay) and his Jocotoco Foundation in Ecuador. It promises to be GG: How has birding changed your life? an interesting evening with a reception afterwards. Tickets are $50 (tax deductible) RR: Well, not that it's changed my life and can be obtained by mailing a SASE but that it's really come to pretty well to "Ridgely in SoCal", LA AS, dominate my life. A more sane or more 7377 Santa Monica Blvd, L.A. 90046. rational person would make that This interview is meant to introduce observation. The seminal event that Dr. Ridgely to the readers, and to cover Robert Rulgelv-Grallaria nclgeh changed everything occurred in the sixties. GG: OK. Let's other and those that feel that there's a talk a little bit whole range and level of evidence that's , about taxonomy. out there and therefore the interpretation •' What do you and experience needs and can have a . *.] really think is a higher level of confidence. So thai's what j. species? we're up against here, especially with the genetic approach to bird taxonomy. RR: This is a Everyone thought years ago Sibley fascinating & Monroe were going to revolutionize subject because everything and stabilize it. But now it's it influences a become clear and most everyone would lot of the way agree that even looking at the DNA and we handle the all the rest of it, that's also subject to natural world. interpretation. It's not really anywhere As human near as absolute a method as we thought S beings we like it was going to be. So it seems that even to have lists. We using this approach has ended up being like to keep just merely another line of evidence things organized towards how you interpret taxonomic in our minds. It's range and in addition it brings up the a complicated whole issue of a new meaning now of With Ntgcl Simpson, co-ftniiiiltT t>J Jocolaco and incredibly allopatry and all the rest of it. diverse world Basically, it strikes me that we're I was part of the Vietnam protest genera- out there and it seems like it's almost a coming up to the situation where it's just tion but I didn't really protest exactly. I natural tendency by those who have a going to get all more complicated and in ended up deciding I didn't want to stay curiosity of natural history to always flux and there's going to be additional in college. I was in Princeton and opted create a list and always try to figure ideas out there. I find it challenging and to be free. This was in 1966 in the midst out categories. And that's basically what stimulating and a good thing. How do of the Vietnam War and everything else. you're doing with taxonomy. we know that Golden-hooded Tanager is And of course T promptly got drafted and There's been an extraordinary upsurge a different species from a Masked Tanager? I thought anything's better than Vietnam. in interest in taxonomy in the last fifteen They are divided by the Andes and never I ended up going to Officer Candidate years. When I was in graduate school, going to make contact. Yeah, there are School. And then I got sent to Panama in taxonomy was the focus of hardly any differences in plumages and patterns. the middle of the Canal Zone and I was scientists, almost nobody doing it, and But they're not really that different. How surrounded by tropical birds. The forest certainly amateurs weren't interested in do we know they are different? The in the Canal Zone was fine so that's it at all on the bird level or anything else. reason they are different right now is where I was exposed to tropical birding Just the explosion of interest in taxonomy because we say they are different, that's and that was a turning event in my life. and how it's done really startles someone all. And when the DNA studies get No question. who's been around as long as I have and through, my guess is that they won't turn Since then, I came back to college; has as many white hairs growing on my out to be that different. In any case the I was all charged up and couldn't quite head as I do. It's fascinating to me that DNA expresses itself in many other ways figure out what to do as a student again. people are as interested in taxonomy as than difference of color. It's a complicated I ended up shifting careers, took a few they are because they certainly didn't use subject and it's one that engages us all false steps, then ended up getting a to be. Of course one of the reasons they because we all keep lists. degree in biology and making ornithology are is because it determines what they I just finished working on the a career, which would never have can list. A lot of what taxonomists do, no revision of the Birds of South America, happened other than the fact that the matter what they say, does involve a Volumes I and II that I did with Guy U.S. Army sent me to Panama. So that's certain level of subjectivity. Basically Tudor and I've actually created a list of how it's really changed my life. Beyond we've got a couple of different what I considered passerine bird species that, 1 wouldn't know where to begin. I'd approaches and different fundamental of South America. An awful lot of them. say my life has ended up being pretty attitudes about how to handle it and But it's my list. I think I have a good much dominated by birds professionally several different concepts of what actually deal of experience at this sort of thing so and so forth and I've had an interesting makes for a species. And all that has led it's a list that everybody probably will career. I've been involved in the serious to the endlessly fascinating dialogue and want to take seriously, but will it satisfy scientific research side of things with the diatribes between partisans on one side everybody? No. Obviously not. Any more Academy of Natural Sciences in or the other that feel that things need to than what other groups, other individuals, Philadelphia and gradually evolved away be absolute and you absolutely have to will come out with will necessarily from that into the conservation field.