Monday Volume 512 21 June 2010 No. 18

HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT

PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD)

Monday 21 June 2010

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PRIME MINISTER,FIRST LORD OF THE TREASURY AND MINISTER FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE—The Rt Hon. David Cameron, MP DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND LORD PRESIDENT OF THE COUNCIL—The Rt Hon. Nick Clegg, MP FIRST SECRETARY OF STATE AND SECRETARY OF STATE FOR FOREIGN AND COMMONWEALTH AFFAIRS—The Rt Hon. William Hague, MP CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEQUER—The Rt Hon. George Osborne, MP LORD CHANCELLOR AND SECRETARY OF STATE FOR JUSTICE—The Rt Hon. Kenneth Clarke, QC, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR THE HOME DEPARTMENT AND MINISTER FOR WOMEN AND EQUALITIES—The Rt Hon. Theresa May, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR DEFENCE—The Rt Hon. Liam Fox, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR BUSINESS,INNOVATION AND SKILLS—The Rt Hon. Vince Cable, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR WORK AND PENSIONS—The Rt Hon. Iain Duncan Smith, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR ENERGY AND CLIMATE CHANGE—The Rt Hon. Chris Huhne, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR HEALTH—The Rt Hon. Andrew Lansley, CBE, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR EDUCATION—The Rt Hon. Michael Gove, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR COMMUNITIES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT—The Rt Hon. Eric Pickles, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR TRANSPORT—The Rt Hon. Philip Hammond, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR ENVIRONMENT,FOOD AND RURAL AFFAIRS—The Rt Hon. Caroline Spelman, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT—The Rt Hon. Andrew Mitchell, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR NORTHERN IRELAND—The Rt Hon. Owen Paterson, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR SCOTLAND—The Rt Hon. Michael Moore, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR WALES—The Rt Hon. Cheryl Gillan, MP SECRETARY OF STATE FOR CULTURE,OLYMPICS,MEDIA AND SPORT—The Rt Hon. Jeremy Hunt, MP CHIEF SECRETARY TO THE TREASURY—The Rt Hon. Danny Alexander, MP LEADER OF THE HOUSE OF LORDS AND CHANCELLOR OF THE DUCHY OF LANCASTER—The Rt Hon. Lord Strathclyde MINISTER WITHOUT PORTFOLIO—The Rt Hon. Baroness Warsi

DEPARTMENTS OF STATE AND MINISTERS Business, Innovation and Skills— SECRETARY OF STATE AND PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF TRADE—The Rt Hon. Vince Cable, MP MINISTERS OF STATE— Minister for Universities and Science—The Rt Hon. David Willetts, MP John Hayes, MP Mark Prisk, MP PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARIES OF STATE— Edward Davey, MP Edward Vaizey, MP § Baroness Wilcox Cabinet Office— MINISTER FOR THE CABINET OFFICE AND PAYMASTER GENERAL—The Rt Hon. Francis Maude, MP MINISTER OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Oliver Letwin, MP PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARIES— Mark Harper, MP Nick Hurd, MP Communities and Local Government— SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Eric Pickles, MP MINISTERS OF STATE— The Rt Hon. Greg Clark, MP The Rt Hon. Grant Shapps, MP PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARIES OF STATE— Andrew Stunell, OBE, MP Robert Neill, MP Baroness Hanham, CBE ii HER MAJESTY’S GOVERNMENT—cont.

Culture, Media and Sport— SECRETARY OF STATE FOR CULTURE,OLYMPICS,MEDIA AND SPORT—The Rt Hon. Jeremy Hunt, MP PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARIES OF STATE— John Penrose, MP Hugh Robertson, MP Edward Vaizey, MP § Defence— SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Liam Fox, MP MINISTER OF STATE—Nick Harvey, MP (Minister for the Armed Forces) PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARIES OF STATE— Gerald Howarth, MP Andrew Robathan, MP Peter Luff, MP Lord Astor of Hever, DL § Duchy of Lancaster— LEADER OF THE HOUSE OF LORDS AND CHANCELLOR OF THE DUCHY OF LANCASTER—The Rt Hon. Lord Strathclyde Education— SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Michael Gove, MP MINISTERS OF STATE— Sarah Teather, MP Nick Gibb, MP PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARIES OF STATE— Tim Loughton, MP Lord Hill of Oareford Energy and Climate Change— SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Chris Huhne, MP MINISTERS OF STATE— Charles Hendry, MP Gregory Barker, MP PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARY OF STATE—Lord Marland Environment, Food and Rural Affairs— SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Caroline Spelman, MP MINISTER OF STATE—James Paice, MP PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARIES OF STATE— Richard Benyon, MP Lord Henley Foreign and Commonwealth Office— SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. William Hague, MP MINISTERS OF STATE— Jeremy Browne, MP Minister for Europe—David Lidington, MP The Rt Hon. Lord Howell of Guildford PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARIES OF STATE— Henry Bellingham, MP Alistair Burt, MP Government Equalities Office— MINISTER FOR WOMEN AND EQUALITIES—The Rt Hon. Theresa May, MP § MINISTER FOR EQUALITIES—Lynne Featherstone, MP § Health— SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Andrew Lansley, CBE, MP MINISTERS OF STATE— Paul Burstow, MP Simon Burns, MP PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARIES OF STATE— Anne Milton, MP Earl Howe Home Office— SECRETARY OF STATE AND MINISTER FOR WOMEN AND EQUALITIES—The Rt Hon. Theresa May, MP § MINISTERS OF STATE— Minister for Immigration—Damian Green, MP Minister for Police—The Rt Hon. Nick Herbert, MP § Minister for Security—The Rt Hon. Baroness Neville-Jones PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARIES OF STATE— Lynne Featherstone, MP (Minister for Equalities) § James Brokenshire, MP HER MAJESTY’S GOVERNMENT—cont. iii

International Development— SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Andrew Mitchell, MP MINISTER OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Alan Duncan, MP PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARY OF STATE—Stephen O’Brien, MP Justice— LORD CHANCELLOR AND SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Kenneth Clarke, QC, MP MINISTERS OF STATE— The Rt Hon. Lord McNally The Rt Hon. Nick Herbert, MP § PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARIES OF STATE— Crispin Blunt, MP Jonathan Djanogly, MP Law Officers— ATTORNEY-GENERAL—The Rt Hon. Dominic Grieve, QC, MP SOLICITOR-GENERAL—Edward Garnier, QC, MP ADVOCATE-GENERAL FOR SCOTLAND—The Rt Hon. Lord Wallace of Tankerness, QC Leader of the House of Commons— LEADER OF THE HOUSE OF COMMONS AND LORD PRIVY SEAL—The Rt Hon. Sir George Young, MP PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY—David Heath, CBE, MP Northern Ireland— SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Owen Paterson, MP MINISTER OF STATE—Hugo Swire, MP Privy Council Office— DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND LORD PRESIDENT OF THE COUNCIL—The Rt Hon. Nick Clegg, MP Scotland Office— SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Michael Moore, MP PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. David Mundell, MP Transport— SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Philip Hammond, MP MINISTER OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Theresa Villiers, MP PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARIES OF STATE— Norman Baker, MP Mike Penning, MP Treasury— PRIME MINISTER,FIRST LORD OF THE TREASURY AND MINISTER FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE—The Rt Hon. David Cameron, MP CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEQUER—The Rt Hon. George Osborne, MP CHIEF SECRETARY—The Rt Hon. Danny Alexander, MP FINANCIAL SECRETARY—Mark Hoban, MP EXCHEQUER SECRETARY—David Gauke, MP ECONOMIC SECRETARY—Justine Greening, MP COMMERCIAL SECRETARY—Lord Sassoon PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY—The Rt Hon. Patrick McLoughlin, MP LORDS COMMISSIONERS— Michael Fabricant, MP Angela Watkinson, MP Jeremy Wright, MP Brooks Newmark, MP James Duddridge, MP ASSISTANT WHIPS— Philip Dunne, MP Stephen Crabb, MP Robert Goodwill, MP Shailesh Vara, MP Bill Wiggin, MP Chloe Smith, MP Norman Lamb, MP Mark Hunter, MP iv HER MAJESTY’S GOVERNMENT—cont.

Wales Office— SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Cheryl Gillan, MP PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARY OF STATE—David Jones, MP Work and Pensions— SECRETARY OF STATE—The Rt Hon. Iain Duncan Smith, MP MINISTERS OF STATE— The Rt Hon. Chris Grayling, MP Steve Webb, MP PARLIAMENTARY UNDER-SECRETARIES OF STATE— Maria Miller, MP Lord Freud Her Majesty’s Household— LORD CHAMBERLAIN—The Rt Hon. Earl Peel, GCVO, DL LORD STEWARD—The Earl of Dalhousie MASTER OF THE HORSE—Lord Vestey, KCVO TREASURER—The Rt Hon. John Randall, MP COMPTROLLER—Alistair Carmichael, MP VICE-CHAMBERLAIN—The Rt Hon. Mark Francois, MP CAPTAIN OF THE HONOURABLE CORPS OF GENTLEMEN-AT-ARMS—The Rt Hon. Baroness Anelay of St Johns, DBE CAPTAIN OF THE QUEEN’S BODYGUARD OF THE YEOMEN OF THE GUARD—The Rt Hon. Lord Shutt of Greetland, OBE BARONESSES IN WAITING—Baroness Northover, Baroness Rawlings, Baroness Verma LORDS IN WAITING—Earl Attlee, Lord Astor of Hever §, DL, Lord De Mauley, TD, Lord Taylor of Holbeach, CBE, Lord Wallace of Saltaire

§ Members of the Government with responsibilities in more than one area

SECOND CHURCH ESTATES COMMISSIONER, REPRESENTING CHURCH COMMISSIONERS—Sir Stuart Bell, MP HOUSE OF COMMONS THE SPEAKER—The Rt Hon. John Bercow, MP

CHAIRMAN OF WAYS AND MEANS—Lindsay Hoyle, MP FIRST DEPUTY CHAIRMAN OF WAYS AND MEANS—Nigel Evans, MP SECOND DEPUTY CHAIRMAN OF WAYS AND MEANS—The Rt Hon. Dawn Primarolo, MP

PANEL OF CHAIRS Mr David Amess, MP, Hugh Bayley, MP, Miss Anne Begg, MP, Mr Joe Benton, MP, Mr Clive Betts, MP, Mr Peter Bone, MP, Mr Graham Brady, MP, Martin Caton, MP, Mr Christopher Chope, MP, Katy Clark, MP, Mr David Crausby, MP, Jim Dobbin, MP, Mr Roger Gale, MP, Mr James Gray, MP, Mr Mike Hancock, MP, Mr Philip Hollobone, MP, Mr Jim Hood, MP, The Rt Hon. George Howarth, MP, Dr William McCrea, MP, Miss Anne McIntosh, MP, Mrs Linda Riordan, MP, John Robertson, MP, Jim Sheridan, MP, Mr Gary Streeter, MP, Mr Andrew Turner, MP, Mr Charles Walker, MP, Joan Walley, MP, Mr Mike Weir, MP, Hywel Williams, MP

HOUSE OF COMMONS COMMISSION The Rt Hon. The Speaker (Chairman), Sir Stuart Bell, MP, Nick Harvey, MP, The Rt Hon. Rosie Winterton, MP, The Rt Hon. Sir George Young, MP SECRETARY OF THE COMMISSION—Dorian Gerhold ASSISTANT SECRETARY—Robert Cope

ADMINISTRATION ESTIMATE AUDIT COMMITTEE Clive Betts, MP, Nick Harvey, MP, Mark Clarke, Alex Jablonowski, David Taylor SECRETARY OF THE AUDIT COMMITTEE—Hannah White, PhD

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SPEAKER’S SECRETARY—John Benger (Acting) HEAD OF SPEAKER’S OFFICE—Kate Emms (Acting) SPEAKER’S COUNSEL—Michael Carpenter SPEAKER’S CHAPLAIN—Rev. Canon Robert Wright MEDICAL ADVISER TO THE SPEAKER—Dr Ron Zeegen, OBE, FRCP, MRCS, DObst, RCOG

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PARLIAMENTARY SECURITY CO-ORDINATOR—Peter Mason

21 June 2010

THE PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES OFFICIAL REPORT

IN THE FIRST SESSION OF THE FIFTY-FIFTH PARLIAMENT OF THE UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND [WHICH OPENED 18 MAY 2010]

FIFTY-NINTH YEAR OF THE REIGN OF HER MAJESTY QUEEN ELIZABETH II

SIXTH SERIES VOLUME 512 THIRD VOLUME OF SESSION 2010-2011

7. Miss Anne Begg (Aberdeen South) (Lab): What House of Commons plans he has for the future of regional news on channel 3. [3000] Monday 21 June 2010 9. Emma Reynolds (Wolverhampton North East) (Lab): What plans he has for the future of regional news The House met at half-past Two o’clock services; and if he will make a statement. [3002] 13. Jason McCartney (Colne Valley) (Con): What PRAYERS representations he has received on the future of local and regional media; and if he will make a statement. [3006] [MR SPEAKER in the Chair] The Secretary of State for Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport (Mr Jeremy Hunt): It is a fundamental priority BUSINESS BEFORE QUESTIONS for this Government to reform the regulatory structure to allow the emergence of a new generation of local COMMITTEE OF SELECTION media companies, including high-quality local TV Ordered, companies, which we have never properly had in this country, and I have already taken steps to make that That Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, Tony Cunningham, Michael happen. Fabricant, Mr Mark Francois, Mark Hunter, Helen Jones, Mr Frank Roy, Mr John Spellar and Angela Watkinson be members of the Committee of Selection until the end of the Nigel Adams: My right hon. Friend is absolutely right current Session.—(Angela Watkinson.) to focus on local media. We have a great tradition of local newspapers in this country, including in my constituency the magnificent Selby Times, and not forgetting The Press and Wetherby News. Does he see such local Oral Answers to Questions papers playing a role in the development of local television stations?

Mr Hunt: I welcome my hon. Friend to his position, CULTURE, MEDIA AND SPORT particularly given his background in the telecoms industry. I hope he can contribute to a discussion of that policy area, given his understanding of convergence between The Secretary of State for Culture Olympics, Media telecoms and broadcast technologies. He is absolutely and Sport was asked— right that this is not simply about the future of local television, but about the future of our struggling local Local and Regional Media newspaper sector. He mentioned in glowing terms his local newspapers, but the truth is that for everyone in 1. Nigel Adams (Selby and Ainsty) (Con): What plans this country local newspapers are incredibly important he has to support the activities of local and regional as a focus for community activities and in holding media providers; and if he will make a statement. locally elected politicians to account. I hope that by [2994] relaxing the cross-media ownership rules at a local level, 3 Oral Answers21 JUNE 2010 Oral Answers 4 local newspapers such as the ones in his constituency importance that Ofcom attaches to vibrant local and can develop into multi-media operations across different regional media for local democracy. Bearing in mind technology platforms. the current economic climate, what definite plans does the Secretary of State have for ensuring that ITV regional Miss Begg: What the Secretary of State just said flies news provides strong competition for BBC regional in the face of the fact that one of his first decisions in news? government was to scrap the independently funded news consortiums that STV was depending on to deliver Mr Hunt: I also welcome my hon. Friend, and its news, which it finds increasingly expensive. STV is particularly as someone whose background includes now very worried about the future of news, as are the working both as an ITV broadcaster and as a BBC people of Scotland, because we might be left with the journalist, because BBC journalists have often tended BBC as the only pan-Scottish news deliverer on terrestrial to be represented more on another side of the House. television. What will the Secretary of State do to ensure The answer to his question is that we have to ensure that that STV can continue delivering news, and to ensure BBC news provision has competition. That is essential, that a plurality of news is provided through terrestrial although it is not necessarily the case that that competition TV in Scotland? must come from ITV; it might come from more local news providers. That is why the plans that we are Mr Hunt: I entirely agree with the hon. Lady that it is putting forward will be so significant. absolutely essential that we have a plurality of news provision. However, the previous Government’s policy in that respect was to have two state-funded regional Mr Ben Bradshaw (Exeter) (Lab): I give a warm news broadcasters in every part of the country, which I welcome to the Secretary of State and his colleagues in think is the wrong way to ensure plurality of provision. their new posts, but could he please explain to the What has worked very well in British broadcasting is House why he has allowed his Department to be that we have some broadcasters funded by the licence downgraded, in that we have lost 15 minutes from our fee, others by subscription, and others by advertising. previously hour-long Question Time? That is what we need to look at, which is why we have a On regional news, is the reason why the hon. Member much more ambitious model. STV is obliged to continue for Bath (Mr Foster), who is an excellent Member of broadcasting in Scotland under the terms of the licence this House, has been excluded from this Front-Bench until 2014. We need to make sure that new models are team—indeed, why all Liberal Democrats have been up and running by that time so that it is possible to go excluded—that they agree with us on this question and forward with proper plurality of news provision. not with the Secretary of State?

Emma Reynolds: Thousands of my constituents watch Mr Hunt: I thank the shadow Secretary of State for BBC’s “Midlands Today” and ITV’s “Central Tonight” the courtesies that he extended to me when I was in his news, and indeed, they read the most successful regional position and he was in mine. He will be amused to know paper, the Express and Star. Given that the Government that local newspapers from his area are still being have scrapped independently funded news consortiums, delivered to my private office, because it takes some what guarantee can the Secretary give me that ITV will time to cancel the subscription. I would like now to give continue to provide a quality regional news service for him a copy of the Western Morning News, in case he is the west midlands? missing it. Let me tell him that under this Government, my Department has not been downgraded; it has been Mr Hunt: I welcome the hon. Lady to her position—I upgraded, because we are now responsible for the Olympics, believe that she also name-checked the Express and Star which we were not before. in her maiden speech. If we had Wolverhampton TV, she could name-check that as well, which she should welcome, because that is very much a part of the Mr Bradshaw: The right hon. Gentleman might like Government’s vision. ITV news providers are obliged to to know that tickets to the Royal Opera House for him continue under the terms of their current licences until and his wife have been delivered to my home in London— 2014, as I told the hon. Member for Aberdeen South tickets that I have been foolish enough to send back to (Miss Begg), so we have a window between now and the Department. However, given what he has just said then in which to allow for the emergence of a new about local and regional news, can he point to a single generation of strong, profitable, ambitious and successful other European country—not America, where market local media companies. We are doing that by modernising conditions, including in the advertising markets, are the regulatory framework, which unfortunately was not completely different, as he knows—where his model done by the previous Government, and which was set flies? up in the pre-internet era. That is why so many local papers are struggling. I hope the hon. Lady supports Mr Hunt: I cannot, because no other country in the our plans, because I think that they would be good world is trying to allow the emergence of truly cross- for local papers in her area and for a new generation of platform multi-media local media operators in the way TV companies. that we are envisaging. If we look at countries such as France and Germany, we see successful local TV stations Jason McCartney: May I welcome the Secretary of in places such as Paris and Lyon. I would ask him why, State and his Ministers to the Front Bench? As everybody when he was Secretary of State, he did nothing to else is doing this, may I also name-check my local progress proper local TV in this country, when it is newspaper, the Huddersfield Daily Examiner? As someone something for which communities up and down the who used to work in ITV regional news, I know the country are crying out. 5 Oral Answers21 JUNE 2010 Oral Answers 6

Music Venues widespread disappointment that that was not done? Will he confirm that he sees no need for any further 2. Mr Don Foster (Bath) (LD): What recent consultation and that he will move to introduce the representations he has received on arrangements for the necessary order as soon as possible? performance of live music in small venues. [2995] John Penrose: My concern is that my hon. Friend’s The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Culture, proposal goes for a particular solution when there Olympics, Media and Sport (John Penrose): I welcome might be a broader and potentially more radical solution this question from my honourable colleague. He has that should also be considered. If we go for other been a long-term campaigner on this issue, and he alternatives, we will need to consult on them, but if we makes an important point. He will know, because we decide to go down the route of ideas that have already have had discussions on the issue, that we are committed been thoroughly canvassed, I would obviously want to to moving as fast and as positively as we can towards move as fast as possible and reduce the level of consultation better arrangements for the performance of live music to the bare legal minimum. in small venues. I hope to be able to make an announcement on that in due course. Specifically in answer to his Chris Bryant (Rhondda) (Lab): One thing that really question, we have received one representation from a irritates fans of live music, whether in large or small Member of the House of Lords and one from a member venues, is all too often having to pay £200, £300 or £400 of the public. on the secondary ticket market for a ticket that at face value costs only £20, and that none of the money goes Mr Foster: I congratulate the Minister and all the either to the venue or to the artist. Will the Minister Front-Bench team on their appointments. Let me say look again at the issue of secondary ticketing? how delighted I am that the Minister has confirmed that this Government are pressing ahead to improve the John Penrose: I would be delighted to entertain any position for live music performance in this country, and suggestions that the hon. Gentleman might send me. particularly in small venues. However, I hope that he will agree, first, that no further consultation is necessary, Women’s Sport (Media Coverage) and secondly, that we need to make the case more effectively for more reliable and trusted data on the 3. Jo Swinson (East Dunbartonshire) (LD): Whether current position of live music in this country. he plans to take steps to increase coverage of women’s sport in the media. [2996] John Penrose: I take the hon. Gentleman’s point about the concerns about the quality of the data. I am The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Culture, told that the statistics produced by the Department are Olympics, Media and Sport (Hugh Robertson): As the all compliant with Office for National Statistics guidelines, hon. Lady will realise, it is not for the Government to but there is a great deal of concern among live music intervene in the editorial policy of individual media performers in particular that although the data might organisations. However, the Government can help through be technically accurate, they do not represent the whole investment to promote women’s sports, as they have truth. However, if he or the industry has some specific through London 2012—I remember the hon. Lady’s examples of how they can be improved, I would be contribution to the Committee involved—the Whole delighted to hear them. Sport plans and the Women’s Sport and Fitness Foundation.

Kelvin Hopkins (Luton North) (Lab): I welcome the Jo Swinson: I thank the Minister for that reply. Research Minister to his post. Britain’s rich musical culture is still by the Women’ Sport and Fitness Foundation showed inhibited by restrictions on performances in small venues. that 61% of girls find that watching successful sports Would it not be more rational to impose limitations on stars inspires them to be more active, but while we have the volume of music—on amplification and decibels—and male sport stars all over our screens, there is far less not on the numbers of musicians, and on where and coverage of women’s sport. Will the Government include what they play? some women’s sporting events on the free-to-air list to help promote female sporting role models to the John Penrose: The hon. Gentleman has made the nation’s girls? point during questions before—and very accurately—that it depends not on the number of people playing but on Hugh Robertson: The answer is in two parts. We have the volume to which the amplification machinery is called for independent economic analysis on the listed cranked up. He is absolutely right. One of the crucial events review. That is due in the Department this week. points that needs to be examined is whether there is a We will look at that carefully before coming to any noise-nuisance solution as opposed to a solution to do formal decision. I absolutely agree with what the hon. with the number of performers, and that is one of the Lady says about the positive promotion of female role options that we will be looking at going forward. models through sport. London 2012 is a fantastic opportunity for that, and I very much welcome the Mr John Whittingdale (Maldon) (Con): Is my hon. decisions made about women’s boxing and the equalisation Friend aware that the unanimous recommendation of of events in cycling. That, I believe, is the way to move the Select Committee—that there should be an exemption forward. for smaller venues of a capacity below 200—was supported by the previous Government, who were intending to Mr Gerry Sutcliffe (Bradford South) (Lab): I add my introduce a regulatory order to provide an exemption congratulations to the ministerial team on the Front for venues of a capacity below 150, and that there was Bench. It is good to know that the Government are to 7 Oral Answers21 JUNE 2010 Oral Answers 8 make a decision on the listed events—in the very near Mr Hunt: I am happy to meet the hon. Lady to future, I hope. It is right that we have seen a massive discuss that issue, which we are committed to exploring increase in the number of sportswomen who have achieved in a great deal more detail. If we win the 2018 World success, and they have done that through bodies such as cup bid, Newcastle will be one of the successful host the Women’s Sport and Fitness Foundation. Can the cities, which will be brilliant for her and fellow supporters Minister assure me that the funding for that organisation of Newcastle United. will continue? How can we have role models when the Government are doing things like cutting free swimming? National Lottery Hugh Robertson: Free swimming was, of course, a mass participation scheme, not an elite scheme, so it is 5. Mr David Evennett (Bexleyheath and Crayford) completely different. As far as the Women’s Sport and (Con): What his policy is on the future of the national Fitness Foundation is concerned, we will know after lottery; and if he will make a statement. [2998] tomorrow’s Budget what the overall funding envelope will be and will then be able to make a decision about The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Culture, that scheme. Olympics, Media and Sport (John Penrose): I congratulate my hon. Friend on his long-term interest in sports and 2018 World Cup local sports in his constituency. We will reform the lottery so that more money goes to arts, heritage and sport, and we will examine the case for moving to a 4. Dr Thérèse Coffey (Suffolk Coastal) (Con): What gross profits tax. We will also stop wasteful spending, support his Department is giving to the Football by banning lobbying activities by lottery distributors Association’s bid to host the 2018 World Cup. [2997] and by driving down their administration costs.

The Secretary of State for Culture, Olympics, Media Mr Evennett: I thank my hon. Friend the Minister for and Sport (Mr Jeremy Hunt): I know that, as this that response and I congratulate him on his appointment. question is about the World cup, the whole House will I am sure that he will do a tremendous job. There have want to wish Fabio Capello and the England team every been concerns about the distribution of funds, however, success in the crucial match on Wednesday night. With and it has been alleged that the previous Government your permission, Mr Speaker, as this is the first day of siphoned off funds from the national lottery to pay for Wimbledon, we also wish Andy Murray, Laura Robson their pet projects, with the result that some worthwhile and all the British competitors success. groups have missed out. Will he assure us that the The 2018 World cup bid is an extraordinary opportunity matter will be looked at, to ensure that the good causes for this country; the Government are wholly committed and groups that need the funds actually get them? to it. The Prime Minister, my hon. Friend the Minister responsible for sport and the Olympics and I have John Penrose: Indeed, I can. As a result of the change spoken to or met the FIFA executive committee members in shares that will be introduced over the next two years, who will make the decision. there will be £50 million more per year for each of the major groups of good causes—the arts, heritage and Dr Coffey: I thank the Secretary of State for that sport—from 2012. answer. If I had not had the joy of being elected to this House, I would have been in South Africa right now, Paul Farrelly (Newcastle-under-Lyme) (Lab): In his watching the games. [HON.MEMBERS: “Ahh.”] I know it answer, the new Minister did not mention the Big is sad, but I would rather be here representing. I hope to Lottery Fund. It has contributed to many good causes enjoy being able to watch the games here in 2018. Will across the country, including the Peter Pan special my right hon. Friend join me in congratulating the needs nursery in my constituency, which takes profoundly people of England on their display of fervour for our disabled children from birth. Will he give the House team—including my local paper, the Evening Star, which some comfort that that sort of cause will continue to be for the World cup rebranded itself the “England Star”? supported as he conducts his review? Mr Speaker: Order. We are making rather slow progress, John Penrose: I am delighted to make that commitment, but the question is about the 2018 World cup. although I cannot make promises for individual good causes, as that is rightly a question for individual lottery Mr Hunt: I was in South Africa at the weekend, distributors. However, as a result of the share changes doing my job. I saw for myself how a World cup can and tailing-off of the Olympic top slice from the lottery unify, enthuse and excite a country. I am determined funders, the total available to voluntary and community that we do the same for this country in 2018. sector organisations of the kind he mentions, within the Big Lottery Fund, should increase over the next two to Chi Onwurah (Newcastle upon Tyne Central) (Lab): I three years in cash terms. am sure that the Minister is aware that Newcastle is one of the cities bidding for the 2018 World cup, and that it is immensely proud of its premiership football team. National Lottery What will the Secretary of State do to ensure that the supporters of teams such as Newcastle United—I should 6. Ms Louise Bagshawe (Corby) (Con): What recent say that I am on its supporters trust—can take steps for assessment he has made of the effects on the arts sector the co-operative ownership of their football teams? Will of the funding it receives from the national lottery; and he meet me to discuss the matter? if he will make a statement. [2999] 9 Oral Answers21 JUNE 2010 Oral Answers 10

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Culture, will be of enormous benefit to community sports Olympics, Media and Sport (Mr Edward Vaizey): May I projects and the encouragement of competitive sport welcome my hon. Friend to these Benches and say what in schools. a delight it is to have such a distinguished author among us? I understand that her latest novel— Mr Thomas: Given that the Olympic stadium was built in substantial part with the taxes of Londoners, Mr Speaker: Order. Will the hon. Gentleman resume can the Secretary of State assure me that as part of his seat? I do not want an essay at the start of a reply to negotiations with any London premiership team over a question. The hon. Gentleman will answer the question, its future use, as a key part of the sporting legacy of the and we will make do with that. Olympics, he will ensure that a representative of the football supporters trust will be on the board of any Mr Vaizey: Absolutely. I was going to say that I felt such team using the stadium in the future? that the— Mr Hunt: We are strongly in favour of supporters’ Mr Speaker: Order. May I say to the Minister that he trusts being set up and represented on the boards of should answer the question, and then we will move on? football teams, and of the presence of a football element in the legacy of the 2012 stadium. Most of all, however, Mr Vaizey: I was about to do so, Mr Speaker. I was we want to ensure that there is a sporting legacy that about to say that in my view the national lottery has had touches every school in the country, whether or not it is a transformative effect on the arts since its creation within travelling distance of the big Olympic venues. under the previous Conservative Government in 1994, putting £3.5 billion into the arts. Charlie Elphicke (Dover) (Con): A strong start can lead to the greatest of legacies. May I ask the Secretary Ms Bagshawe: I thank the Minister for his welcome. of State whether the torch can come to Britain via May I say to him that my constituents have been dismayed Dover? to see national lottery funding for the arts, sport and heritage cut by more than 50% under Labour? Will he Mr Hunt: I welcome my hon. Friend to the House. expand a little on how he intends to return lottery He makes a powerful case, and I am sure that he will funding to its original purpose, so that it will help continue to do so. grass-roots organisations in my constituency? Tessa Jowell (Dulwich and West Norwood) (Lab): I Mr Vaizey: I share my hon. Friend’s concern. In welcome the Secretary of State and his colleagues to the opposition, we campaigned against the cuts to national Front Bench. As I think the right hon. Gentleman will lottery funding imposed by the previous Government. I recognise, the achievement and ambition of the sporting am delighted that we are bringing forward measures to legacy for the Olympics are widely acclaimed and increase the funding available for the arts from the appreciated by the International Olympic Committee. national lottery: in two years’ time it will have increased There has been sustained investment in sport in schools, by £50 million a year. an improvement in facilities, the introduction of free swimming, an unprecedented level of investment in elite sport, and lottery funding from more than just the Tristram Hunt (Stoke-on-Trent Central) (Lab): The sports lottery. A signal has already been sent that free Minister will know that the Heritage Lottery Fund was swimming is to be abandoned. Will the Secretary of a major contributor to the award-winning Wedgwood State give us a commitment that the sporting legacy—so museum in Stoke-on-Trent. He will also know that, as a clearly in place and so widely acclaimed—will be protected? result of Pension Protection Fund legislation, the museum is in real danger of closure and threatened with a dispersal of its collection and archive. Will he meet my Mr Hunt: Let me take this opportunity to thank the hon. Friend the Member for Stoke-on-Trent South right hon. Lady for her outstanding contribution to the (Robert Flello) and me, so that we can ensure that the Olympic project to date. I hope that she will be able to Government have a proper solution to the impending continue to contribute as the project reaches its final court case? two years. I must tell her, however—while expressing the greatest respect for her efforts—that although some elements of a sporting legacy were in place, we do not Mr Vaizey: The hon. Gentleman is a distinguished believe that enough was in place. I am thinking particularly historian who recently won an important history prize. of the creation of a sporting legacy in schools throughout This is an important issue which we are watching the country. We very much hope that we will be able to very closely, and I should be delighted to meet him to work with the right hon. Lady to ensure that every child discuss it. in every school in the country is able to be touched by, and be part of, the Olympic dream, not just in 2012 but London Olympics in every year thereafter.

8. Mr Gareth Thomas (Harrow West) (Lab/Co-op): Olympic Legacy (Wales) What steps he is taking to maximise the sporting legacy of the London 2012 Olympics. [3001] 10. Huw Irranca-Davies (Ogmore) (Lab): What recent discussions he has had with representatives of business The Secretary of State for Culture, Olympics, Media organisations in Wales on measures to ensure a positive and Sport (Mr Jeremy Hunt): We have restored lottery legacy for the private sector in Wales from the London funding to 20% of good causes money for sport, which 2012 Olympics. [3003] 11 Oral Answers21 JUNE 2010 Oral Answers 12

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Culture, Hugh Robertson: No; they are PricewaterhouseCoopers’ Olympics, Media and Sport (Hugh Robertson): The Olympic figures, so they are not mine at all. The figures show Delivery Authority has met over 10,000 businesses as that there is an 83% dead weight, and that does not, part of its engagement programme across the United I am afraid, represent value for money. Kingdom. To date, 10 businesses registered in Wales have won work supplying the ODA, and more are Mrs Helen Grant (Maidstone and The Weald) (Con): winning work in its supply chains, including one— What plans does the Minister have to promote sport B and W Tunnelling—in the hon. Gentleman’s constituency. between schools? Hugh Robertson: That is an extremely good question— Huw Irranca-Davies: Indeed. I welcome the Minister [Interruption.] The Opposition should try asking it to his post. Does he agree that the Olympic motto, themselves. Promoting competitive sport in schools is “Citius, Altius, Fortius”—swifter, higher, stronger—should absolutely this Government’s key legacy objective for apply not only to constituents of mine such as David school sport. My right hon. Friend the Secretary of Guest, who at the age of 20 has just become the State is taking the lead in the Department’s initiative in highest-achieving decathlete apart from Daley Thompson, that regard and he will make an important announcement but to private companies such as Turfgrass Enterprises about it next Monday. Ltd, which provided the turf for the Beijing Olympics? What more can he to do encourage excellence in the Mr Dennis Skinner (Bolsover) (Lab): Is the Minister Welsh private sector? aware that the schoolchildren of Shirebrook are only too anxious to help the sporting legacy of Britain on a Hugh Robertson: I thank the hon. Gentleman for his brand new playing field, but unfortunately it is linked to positive words about the process. The short answer is the Building Schools for the Future programme. Will he that the Olympic Delivery Authority has devoted a ensure that it is built this year, so that we will have a huge amount of time to taking the message around the sports field as well? country and encouraging firms to bid for contracts, and the organising committee is about to go through exactly Hugh Robertson: We will do everything possible to the same process. I hope that he and other Members ensure that sports facilities are built up and down the across the House will encourage firms in their constituencies country. That is a key part of the community sports to get involved. This is not a matter of party political legacy plan that we are working on. The hon. Gentleman difference: it is a huge opportunity for everybody and will appreciate that I cannot today, before the Budget, I encourage him and others to take it up. give him a firm commitment on Building Schools for the Future, but the direction of Government strategy, and of this Department’s in particular, is very clear. Sporting Activity (Young People) FM Radio

11. John Robertson (Glasgow North West) (Lab): 12. Sir Alan Beith (Berwick-upon-Tweed) (LD): What What steps he plans to take to encourage young people recent estimate he has made of the future level of to participate in sporting activity. [3004] demand for FM radio. [3005]

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Culture, The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport (Hugh Robertson): Increasing Olympics, Media and Sport (Mr Edward Vaizey): No opportunities for young people through sport is one of estimate has been made of the future level of demand my personal, top priorities. We have already announced for FM radio, which will depend on a number of an increased lottery share of 20% to sport to finance factors. However, FM radio remains a popular medium that, and further details of the Government’s plans for and currently plays an important part in UK life. young people’s sport, including a schools’ Olympic-style competitive sport competition and a community sports Sir Alan Beith: Is my hon. Friend aware that there are legacy plan, will be announced shortly. more than 100 million FM radios, enabling people to enjoy music and speech in their cars, in the various John Robertson: I thank the Minister for his answer, rooms of their houses and on their hi-fi equipment? It but I am somewhat confused. He has said, while chopping would be a tragedy if all that were switched off simply free swimming for under-16s and over-60s, that 73% of because even the majority of homes had bought one under-16s and 83% of over-60s would pay because they digital radio. already swim, but his Department says that more than 50% of the people who use free swimming were non- Mr Vaizey: I am well aware of that; indeed, many of swimmers before they started. Where does that lie in my constituents have made the same point to me. We relation to the answer he has just given? are proceeding with digital switchover, with more than a quarter of the population now listening to digital radio, but we are taking all factors into account. Hugh Robertson: Very simply, like any Department, we have to establish that any scheme that we run gives Ticket Touting value for money. The PricewaterhouseCoopers report, established under the previous Government in April 14. Mrs Sharon Hodgson (Washington and Sunderland 2009, shows— West) (Lab): What steps he plans to take to reduce the level of ticket touting at major sporting and music John Robertson: His Department’s figures. events. [3007] 13 Oral Answers21 JUNE 2010 Oral Answers 14

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Culture, John Penrose: I agree that the tourism industry would Olympics, Media and Sport (Hugh Robertson): The like such a change, but some people have very grave and Government have no plans to extend existing legislation important concerns that we would do well to listen to as covering the resale of tickets. However, those protections well. Notably, people who live in the north of the UK, are in place under the London Olympic Games and particularly in the northern parts of Scotland, are deeply Paralympic Games Act 2006 and under most legislation worried about the issue, and we need to ensure that we involving major sports events. take their valid concerns into account.

Mrs Hodgson: I am sure the Minister is aware that it Topical Questions is increasingly difficult for genuine sports, music and theatre fans to buy tickets, especially at the last minute, and even within days of tickets going on sale. He says T1. [3014] Stephen Hammond (Wimbledon) (Con): If that there is coverage for the Olympics, but does he he will make a statement on his departmental agree that this cover should be extended? Does he agree responsibilities. that we should consider introducing legislation to tackle the practice of buying tickets in bulk and selling them The Secretary of State for Culture, Olympics, Media to people at huge profits, as that takes the price of and Sport (Mr Jeremy Hunt): In my first month as tickets totally out of some people’s reach? Secretary of State, I have established key priorities for my Department, including boosting philanthropy to Hugh Robertson: The hon. Lady makes a fair point. the arts and culture, introducing a network of new local Indeed, I looked at the issue in view of quite a lot of the TV companies, promoting super-fast broadband, creating work that was bequeathed to us by the previous an Olympic tourism legacy for 2012 and setting up an Administration. There is a practical problem relating to Olympic-style school sports competition, and we have the police. I am afraid that it is very rare that ticket made good progress in all areas. touts ever come to court, even when the police catch them, because the amount of police time involved in Stephen Hammond: I welcome my right hon. Friend bringing the prosecution makes that very unlikely. I to his place; I am delighted to see him there. He will think that the previous Administration adopted the obviously be aware that a school tennis tournament is correct approach, which is to encourage a much more taking place in my constituency this fortnight. He will vibrant secondary ticket sale market and much more also be aware of the Davies review of listed events. Will vibrant exchange market, so that fans who buy tickets he please ensure that the Davies review’s proposal to but cannot attend the event can readily exchange them. alter the status of the Wimbledon tennis tournament, which both the Lawn Tennis Association and the All Philip Davies (Shipley) (Con): Does the Minister England Club have decried as affecting investment in agree with the Select Committee on Culture, Media and grass-roots sport, will be looked at by his Department Sport in the previous Parliament, which found that the before it proceeds? secondary market for tickets was perfectly legitimate, and with the Office of Fair Trading, which found that it often works in the consumer’s best interests? Mr Hunt: I thank my hon. Friend for his question. We are looking at the independent analysis of precisely Hugh Robertson: Broadly speaking, the answer to the factors that he mentions. We have a strong desire that is yes. not to do anything that would restrict investment in grass-roots sport, and we will announce a decision British Summer Time by July.

16. Mr Tobias Ellwood (Bournemouth East) (Con): Meg Hillier (Hackney South and Shoreditch) (Lab/ What recent discussions he has had with the Secretary Co-op): We have heard a bit about the legacy for sport of State for Business, Innovation and Skills on the in the Olympics, but in my constituency we are seeking introduction of single and double summer time. [3010] the legacy of skills post-2012. What discussions is the Secretary of State having with other Departments, because The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Culture, decisions taken by his Department now could have a Olympics, Media and Sport (John Penrose): I am delighted major impact on the legacy delivered by others after to confirm that, in line with my hon. Friend’s long 2012? campaign and, indeed, with the support of both the Liberal Democrats and the Labour party when it was in The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Culture, government, we are committed to examining this issue Olympics, Media and Sport (Hugh Robertson): I thank tremendously carefully, and I have already had conversations the hon. Lady for that question. Indeed, it gives me the with my opposite numbers at the Department for Business, opportunity to pay tribute to the work of the right hon. Innovation and Skills. Member for Dulwich and West Norwood (Tessa Jowell) in this regard. Someone told me about a month or so on Mr Ellwood: Today is the longest day, and no one from the election that, in terms of the greater legacy, it needs to be a visitor to Stonehenge or, indeed, a great is not that nothing is happening but that we have reader of the Bournemouth Echo to realise that this is a possibly not got it into the right sort of story that very popular move that has cross-party support. Does people can understand. We are looking at all the different my hon. Friend agree that the tourism industry at least components of the legacy. We are working out how best would like such a change? Indeed, it has been calling for to bring them together, and we will certainly take on it for a number of years. board the points that the hon. Lady raises. 15 Oral Answers21 JUNE 2010 Oral Answers 16

T2. [3015] Dr Thérèse Coffey (Suffolk Coastal) (Con): T4. [3017] Mr Laurence Robertson (Tewkesbury) (Con): I welcome the recent speech given by the Secretary of The Secretary of State was right to refer to the football State on improving internet access right across our World cup and the Wimbledon tennis tournament, country, especially in rural areas. That is particularly which are taking place at the moment. May I remind welcome to my constituents in Suffolk who suffer from him of the sport that attracts the second highest not-spots and slow spots. Will he meet me particularly number of spectators in the country—horse racing? It to discuss the fact that fibre optics are available across continues to produce a magnificent sporting product, parts of our country, but they have been paid for by the including the Cheltenham gold cup in my constituency state, and there are concerns that European state-aid and Royal Ascot, which was last week, but horse racing rules are blocking access to something that could be does not get the publicity that it deserves. Is there used to the benefit of people right across our country? anything that the Secretary of State can do to help it to increase its profile, because it has many good— The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport (Mr Edward Vaizey): I thank Mr Speaker: Order. Let me say to the hon. Gentleman my hon. Friend for that question. I completely take on that races must come to an end. board the point that she makes. Indeed, I have raised it with officials. My understanding is that this is a grey Hugh Robertson: Despite the fact that horse racing area on which local authorities need some clarity. does not directly fall into my brief, I can answer my hon. Friend’s question, for the simple reason that many of the races that attract the largest television audiences Paul Goggins (Wythenshawe and Sale East) (Lab): are, of course, part of the listed events review. As my Earlier, the Minister claimed that free swimming did right hon. Friend the Secretary of State has said, we not represent value for money, but in Wythenshawe, have called for an independent economic analysis and where many people are at the wrong end of health are looking through it at the moment, and we hope to inequality, there has been a 56% increase in the use of make an announcement at the beginning of July. the local pool by young people. Where is the value in cutting a scheme that helps to keep them healthy? John Mann (Bassetlaw) (Lab): MPs from all parts of the House attended a seminar convened by the Department Hugh Robertson: I think that I said, when the figures for Culture, Media and Sport on race hate and the were announced at the end of last week, that the scheme internet. What is the next stage for the Department in was a luxury that we could no longer afford. The fact this important initiative? remains—[Interruption.] I could get political about this. [Interruption.] Okay; right. One might ask some Mr Vaizey: I understand that we are working closely questions about a Government who, as the main plank with Home Office colleagues on the initiative. I read a of their sports legacy, approve a scheme that, when letter from the hon. Gentleman to me only today, and I independently audited by PricewaterhouseCoopers, is shall meet him shortly to discuss the next stages of his shown to have an 83% dead-weight figure. important initiative.

T3. [3016] Sir Alan Beith (Berwick-upon-Tweed) (LD): T5. [3018] Mr David Burrowes (Enfield, Southgate) In the careful discussion of the summer time issue that (Con): As we seek to host the World cup, will the the Minister mentioned, will he bear in mind not only Minister ensure that FIFA focuses less on excluding the needs of northern Britain, but the unacceptability women in orange dresses, and more on including of a time zone boundary at Berwick, despite the ordinary spectators, who are increasingly priced out of potential advantage of my being able to arrive at my watching the beautiful game? daughter’s house at a time before I had set out? Mr Jeremy Hunt: I thank my hon. Friend for his The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Culture, excellent question. He is absolutely right that the great Olympics, Media and Sport (John Penrose): Such a opportunity in hosting an event such as the World cup thing would never do. I am happy to confirm to the is the opportunity for people to go to these hugely right hon. Gentleman that the issue is not a delegated exciting events who may otherwise not have the opportunity matter; it is therefore the responsibility of the Department to do so. We talked about that to FIFA, and the big for Business, Innovation and Skills, and we agree that it strength of our bid is that it will mean that 4.5 million should stay that way. more people play football; that every girl in the country gets the opportunity to play it; and that we have a disability football centre set up. So there are huge Chris Leslie (Nottingham East) (Lab/Co-op): Why strengths in getting more people involved in the game. did the Secretary of State not put in his manifesto that he was planning to axe free swimming for under-16s Mr Speaker: Order. May I gently say to Ministers and pensioners? that while it is absolutely understandable that they look behind them, they must face the House? Otherwise, Mr Jeremy Hunt: We did not put that in our manifesto, they are not as widely heard as they might be. but why did the hon. Gentleman’s party not put in its manifesto that it had £50 billion of uncosted spending Ian Austin (Dudley North) (Lab): Cycling fans like commitments? If his party wants schemes such as free me will be glued to the television over the next few swimming, which in principle we like, the best thing that weeks, cheering on Britain’s competitors in the Tour de it could do is have a sustainable financial basis for this France. With more road races in this country being country. cancelled than ever before as a result of out-of-date 17 Oral Answers21 JUNE 2010 Oral Answers 18 regulations and other problems associated with police connections, requires a decision by the Government. support and the rest of it, will the Secretary of State or Parliament has to be consulted in that process. We will the Minister with responsibility for sport, the hon. look at the progress of the earlier measures before Member for Faversham and Mid Kent (Hugh Robertson), deciding whether to proceed to that critical next stage. meet representatives from British Cycling and me, and make ironing out those problems their top priority?

Hugh Robertson: Not only can I give the hon. Gentleman LEADER OF THE HOUSE that undertaking now, but I have already given it; British Cycling wrote to me as soon as I was appointed—it was a very nice letter, as he would expect—and asked if it The Leader of the House was asked— could come and meet me to discuss exactly that issue. Backbench Business Committee

T6. [3019] Andrew Rosindell (Romford) (Con): Would 1. Chris Bryant (Rhondda) (Lab): What recent discussions the Secretary of State be good enough to update the he has had on the establishment of a Backbench House on plans and preparations for the diamond Business Committee. [3022] jubilee of Her Majesty the Queen in 2012? The Parliamentary Secretary, Office of the Leader of Mr Jeremy Hunt: I am delighted to tell my hon. the House of Commons (Mr David Heath): As I am sure Friend that, after questions, I have a meeting with the the hon. Gentleman will know, my right hon. Friend the Queen’s private secretary to progress discussions in that Leader of the House heard the views of hon. Members very area. from all parts of the House in the debate last Tuesday.

Thomas Docherty (Dunfermline and West Fife) (Lab): Chris Bryant: I am delighted that the Backbench It is 15 years since the publication of the Bannister Business Committee has been set up, and pay tribute to report, which looked at the vital role played by student the Minister and to his colleague for doing so. Something sport in the Commonwealth games, which Glasgow will that can be immensely frustrating for Back Benchers is host, the London Olympics and the future World cup. having to take a ten-minute Bill or a private Member’s What plan does the Secretary of State have for a second Bill through the ludicrous shenanigans of a Friday Bannister report to develop student sport? morning. Will the Minister undertake to make sure that private Members’ Bills are looked at by the Committee, Hugh Robertson: I have not had the chance to do so so that we consider them on a Wednesday evening, for since becoming Minister, but in the five years in which I the greater convenience of all hon. Members? shadowed this brief in opposition, I met a number of university sports groups, although none of them asked Mr Heath: Again, as the hon. Gentleman may know, me for a new review. What they wanted was a higher that was debated last Tuesday. We all share the frustrations profile for their sport and increased opportunities. With of having private Members’ legislation blocked in the London 2012, we have a magnificent opportunity, when extraordinary procedure that we use in the House for this country’s sport is in the eye of the world, to do such legislation. The Chair of the Procedure Committee, precisely that. the right hon. Member for East Yorkshire (Mr Knight), suggested that he wished to look at the whole process of T7. [3020] Chris Skidmore (Kingswood) (Con): My private Members’legislation, and I hope that his Committee constituency of Kingswood in Greater Bristol is can do so as a high priority. We will certainly keep in excellently served by the Bristol Evening Post, whose touch with that Committee and with the Backbench local reporters are well established and can get into the Business Committee in the hope of finding a better way issues that matter to the local community, particularly of doing that particular area of business. people who do not often use the internet to get their news. Will the Minister assure us that we can support local print media better? HOUSE OF COMMONS COMMISSION Mr Jeremy Hunt: The best way for us to support local print media is by not constraining them with regulations that prevent them from evolving new business models The hon. Member for Middlesbrough, representing the that work in the digital age. Those are exactly the plans House of Commons Commission, was asked— on which my colleagues and I are working right now. LED Lighting

Pete Wishart (Perth and North Perthshire) (SNP): 2. Mr Philip Hollobone (Kettering) (Con): If he will Will the Secretary of State commit his Government to bring forward proposals to introduce low-cost LED pursuing the measures agreed in the Digital Economy lighting across the House of Commons part of the Act 2010, or will he take advice from the hon. Member parliamentary estate. [3023] for Bath (Mr Foster), who rejected the measure with his hon. Friends and now have it as Liberal Democrat Sir Stuart Bell (Middlesbrough): Several trials of policy to repeal large sections of it? LED technology have been undertaken in the House of Commons, and LED lighting has been installed in the Mr Hunt: The Act remains on the statute books, and upper Committee corridor, the Commons Library, the it will be implemented. I remind the hon. Gentleman Lower Waiting Hall, the New Palace Yard turnstiles that the next stage, when Ofcom may decide to suspend and other places. Following those trials, we have included 19 Oral Answers21 JUNE 2010 Oral Answers 20 further installations of LED lamps in Parliament’s low- Huw Irranca-Davies (Ogmore) (Lab): Will the hon. energy lighting programme, such as at 1 Parliament Gentleman also take into account the extra-curricular Street and Derby Gate stairwells. activities of MPs of the better kind, such as contributing to VSO overseas? I have reluctantly cancelled a two-week Mr Hollobone: I welcome the progress made by the engagement with VSO this summer because of the House authorities. Given the fact that LED lighting uncertainty. It is undoubtedly the case that the additional uses just 5% of the electricity used by normal bulbs, activities that MPs undertake—for example, on promoting hardly ever needs to be replaced, and contains no workers’ rights overseas—are to be protected. Will the mercury, so it can be recycled very healthily, have they hon. Gentleman take that into account as well, in given any consideration to lighting Big Ben with LED looking at how we manage our timetable? technology? Mr Heath: I am not sure that we can guarantee to Sir Stuart Bell: That is an intriguing question so early protect the timetable for all the extra-curricular activities in the parliamentary Session, and one that the Commission of hon. Members, but the hon. Gentleman makes a would be happy to look into. As the hon. Gentleman valid point. We indicated at the earliest opportunity knows, incandescent lighting on the parliamentary estate what we would be doing this summer, but hon. Members has been gradually replaced with lower energy lighting want a degree of certainty about the parliamentary over the past five years. The majority of these replacements calendar, so far as that is possible. I hope the hon. have occurred during routine lamp changes. Due to the Gentleman will contribute to the review that we will set size and complexity of the estate, detailed records of up to look at that. light bulbs are not kept and the proportion of low-energy lamps is not known. However, on the point that the Public Confidence (House of Commons) hon. Gentleman makes, we keep developments in lighting technology under review and we will adopt low-energy 4. John Robertson (Glasgow North West) (Lab): solutions as they become available. What steps he plans to take to increase the confidence of the general public in the House of Commons. [3025] Mr Speaker: How very enlightening. The Leader of the House of Commons (Sir George Young): We will bring forward powers for public petitions to trigger debates in the House of Commons and to LEADER OF THE HOUSE initiate legislation, and we will introduce a new public reading stage for Bills. The House has also voted for significant new powers to hold the Government to account through the establishment of the Backbench The Leader of the House was asked— Business Committee. Sittings Patterns John Robertson: I thank the right hon. Gentleman for his answer, and a good answer it was too. Does he agree 3. Simon Hughes (Bermondsey and Old Southwark) that the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (LD): What proposals he plans to put to the House for has been a bit of a shambles? We brought it in without the pattern of sittings of the House for the rest of 2010 thinking about it. Can we make sure that there is and 2011. [3024] consultation with Members and staff, to ensure that the reputation of the House is upheld, rather than the way The Parliamentary Secretary, Office of the Leader of it is at present? the House of Commons (Mr David Heath): The House has already agreed to a sitting in September this year. Sir George Young: I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman My right hon. Friend the Leader of the House and I for that question, and I know that a number of colleagues would welcome Members’ views on how the pattern of have had difficulties in accessing the system. The whole sittings should be organised. purpose of allowances is to facilitate and enable MPs to represent their constituents and hold the Government Simon Hughes: May I make an early bid for a pattern to account. I am considering whether we can have a of fixed and family-friendly sittings that allows colleagues proper channel of communication between the House to be away some time for school holidays in Scotland, and IPSA to get a sensible dialogue under way. I hope Wales and Northern Ireland as well as in England, and he welcomes the announcement a few days ago that that gives us an annual regular cycle, with the wash-up there will be a review of the scheme later this year. at the end of the Session in September before the conferences, and a fixed date for the start of the Barbara Keeley (Worsley and Eccles South) (Lab): parliamentary year every October? Since the start of this Parliament, the coalition Government have repeatedly ignored the House of Commons when Mr Heath: I recognise the issue of Scottish, English, making major policy announcements, thus avoiding Welsh and Northern Irish school holidays. Different scrutiny in the Chamber. There have also been some local education authorities have different term dates, so major leaks. Today we have the BBC announcing that it would be impossible to align the sittings of the House the Chancellor will freeze council tax in the Budget, and completely with the school terms, but I have a great deal the Department of Health announced major changes to of sympathy with the hon. Gentleman’s suggestion. the NHS operating framework to the media hours There is a case for a more fundamental review of the before a written ministerial statement on those changes. annual sitting patterns of the House. The Government’s discourtesy also means that copies 21 Oral Answers21 JUNE 2010 Oral Answers 22 of statements are delivered late to the Opposition Front Programming of Business Bench, often with only minutes to spare. Will the right hon. Gentleman, who I think believes that good scrutiny 6. Philip Davies (Shipley) (Con): What his policy is leads to good government, assure us that statements on the use of programme motions to regulate proceedings will be made first to the House and not to the media, on legislation; and if he will make a statement. [3027] and that the Opposition Front-Bench team will receive a copy of the statement at least an hour before it is delivered? The Parliamentary Secretary, Office of the Leader of the House of Commons (Mr David Heath): The Government intend to provide adequate time for consideration of Sir George Young: Of course, statements should be Bills at Report stage, when the most serious problems delivered to the Opposition on time, and during the last occurred in the last Parliament. Parliament Opposition spokesmen did receive copies of statements later than they should have, but I wholeheartedly reject the hon. Lady’s allegation about statements. By Philip Davies: The Minister and I regularly used to the end of today, Ministers will have made no fewer vote against the previous Government routinely using than 10 statements since the Queen’s Speech, and I programme motions in the last Parliament. What will think that she will find that that is a higher strike rate be different about this Government, so that we do not than was achieved by the last Government. Of course, have the situation where people in opposition complain the House should be the first place to hear of any about programme motions, but in government routinely changes in Government policy. use them?

Business of the House Mr Heath: The hon. Gentleman remembers well what happened in the last Parliament, when very often huge parts of Bills were not considered by the House, which 5. Jo Swinson (East Dunbartonshire) (LD): If he will was a disgrace. What will be different is that there will assess the merits of providing the House with be fewer Bills, better drafted Bills and an end to the provisional information on its business for more than automatic guillotine of the Report stage. However, that two weeks in advance. [3026] depends on all parts of the House having a grown-up attitude to how we consider business. [Interruption.] I The Parliamentary Secretary, Office of the Leader of hear the grown-up attitude evinced by Opposition Members. the House of Commons (Mr David Heath): With your permission, Mr. Speaker, I should like to deal for a John Cryer (Leyton and Wanstead) (Lab): Is not the second with future engagements, in offering my answer to remove timetabling, or at least relax it, so that congratulations to my hon. Friends the Members for it no longer strangles debate in the House? For years East Dunbartonshire (Jo Swinson) and for Chippenham now, Bills have gone through with very little debate on (Duncan Hames) on their announcement at the weekend key parts. The answer is to go back to a time before the of their coalition arrangements. Jopling proposals, when we had full and free debate, I can see that there would be advantages to hon. and when the House could sit as late as was necessary. Members in announcing the business further in advance, but decisions about the business for three or four weeks’ Mr Heath: This is the first opportunity that I have time is usually too provisional to be helpful to the had to welcome the hon. Gentleman back to the House. House. I am very pleased to see him here. Yes, we want to ensure that the bits of Bills that need Jo Swinson: I thank my hon. Friend for his kind longer scrutiny receive that scrutiny, and that we have a words. sensible dialogue with all Members of the House—the Most other workplaces manage to make some plans establishment of the Backbench Business Committee more than two weeks in advance, albeit on the will help us in non-legislative areas—to ensure that the understanding that sometimes plans have to change. House has its say on matters about which it is concerned, Publishing greater information about future business and that we do not waste time on areas where no one would help hon. Members to manage their time more has a genuine interest. That is what I mean when I talk effectively and lead to a better functioning of the House. about a grown-up way of looking at the business of the Will he consider experimenting with more advance notice House. Let us hope we get it. about the business of the House? Oral Statements Mr Heath: I certainly agree with the principle that my hon. Friend sets out, but this place is not quite like other places in that business on the Floor of the House 7. Mark Tami (Alyn and Deeside) (Lab): What recent is subject to many factors, including the progress of representations he has received on the process for business in Committee and in another place, and decision Ministers making oral statements in the House. [3028] making within Government. It is not always possible to schedule business with any certainty more than two The Parliamentary Secretary, Office of the Leader of weeks in advance, and there is a risk that providing the the House of Commons (Mr David Heath): A number of House with very provisional information that is subject Members have raised issues surrounding ministerial to change could frustrate rather than inform hon. Members statements in the House in recent weeks. My right hon. in their diary planning. In addition, we always seek to Friend the Leader of the House and I are always be topical, and that might be lost if we planned too far happy to continue to take representations on that and ahead. However, I certainly take my hon. Friend’s point. other issues. 23 Oral Answers21 JUNE 2010 Oral Answers 24

Mark Tami: When in opposition, the Deputy Leader that we can to increase diversity in Parliament, and that of the House, like his right hon. Friend the Leader of there is a real need to make political parties reflective of the House, was very concerned about the leaking of the communities that they serve. We are considering the statements, the overuse of written statements and the Speaker’s Conference report and recommendations very lack of advance notice that was given to shadow Ministers. carefully as we develop policies and agree priorities. As When will the hon. Gentleman and his colleague practice part of our coalition agreement, we have already made what they preach? an early commitment to introduce extra support for disabled people who want to become MPs, councillors Mr Heath: As my right hon. Friend said, we have had or other elected officials—one recommendation of the 10 statements in 13 sitting days, which is not too bad. Of Speaker’s Conference. course, we will ensure as far as possible that Opposition spokespeople have the chance to see statements at the Diana R. Johnson: Women now make up 22% of the earliest possible opportunity. House—notably, the majority are Labour Members. At the start of a new Government, perhaps we ought to Parliamentary Representation look at the issue with fresh eyes, so will the Deputy Leader of the House look again at the over-representation 8. Diana R. Johnson (Kingston upon Hull North) of middle-aged, middle-class white men in the House? (Lab): What discussions he has had with ministerial colleagues on the implications for the House of the Mr Heath: The hon. Lady is absolutely right. I have recommendations of the Speaker’s Conference on to say that my party is, very sadly, under-represented in parliamentary representation. [3029] terms of women in the House, and we deeply regret that. The ministerial responsibility for the issue lies with The Parliamentary Secretary, Office of the Leader of the Minister for Women and Equalities, and I hope that the House of Commons (Mr David Heath): The Government she will make very swift progress on bringing proposals wholeheartedly agree that we should take all the steps before the House. 25 21 JUNE 2010 Free Schools Policy 26

Free Schools Policy “What we must see now is a system of independent state schools, underpinned by fair admissions and fair funding, where teachers are equipped and enabled to drive improvement, driven 3.31 pm by the aspirations of parents. We have pushed higher standards from the centre: for those Ed Balls (Morley and Outwood) (Lab/Co-op): (Urgent standards to be maintained and built upon, they must now Question): To ask the Secretary of State for Education become self-sustaining to provide irreversible change for the to make a statement on the free schools policy, which better.” was announced in a press notice on Friday 18 June. That is the challenge that Mr Blair laid down, and this coalition Government intend to meet it. The Secretary of State for Education (Michael Gove): I thank the right hon. Gentleman for this opportunity Ed Balls: I am grateful to the Secretary of State for to update the House on our progress on reducing coming to the House, because his free school policy bureaucracy in the schools system, giving more power raises important issues of funding, fairness and to front-line professionals and accelerating the academies standards—and it should not have been smuggled out programme, which was begun with such distinction in a Friday morning press statement. I should also say under Lord Adonis and Tony Blair. that Lord Hill has written to my colleagues in the other place confirming that the Academies Bill will, in fact, be During the Queen’s Speech debate, I outlined in enabling legislation for free schools. The Secretary of detail our plans to extend academy freedoms. I mentioned State should have the courtesy to inform this House, then that we had more than 1,000 expressions of interests and those on the Opposition Front Bench, of his plans from existing schools. I can now update the House by in that regard. confirming that more than 1,700 schools have expressed On funding, will the right hon. Gentleman confirm an interest in acquiring academy freedoms, with more not only that his free school policy will establish a free than 70% of outstanding secondary schools contacting market in school places, in which parents will be encouraged my Department—a remarkable and heartening display to set up taxpayer-funded new schools at will, but that of enthusiasm by front-line professionals for our plans. he has secured no new money at all from the Treasury to As I have explained before, every new school acquiring pay for it? Will he confirm that he is using savings from academy freedoms will be expected to support at least cutting free school lunches for poorer children to fund one faltering or coasting school to improve. We are his announced £50 million of start-up support, and that liberating the strong to help the weak—a key principle that is a drop in the ocean compared with the billions behind the coalition Government. involved in the actual cost of his new policy? As well as showing enthusiasm for greater academy Will the right hon. Gentleman confirm Professor freedoms in existing schools, teachers are enthusiastic David Woods’s finding that the proposal for a new about the opportunities, outlined in our coalition agreement, parent-promoted school in Kirklees would to create more great new schools in areas of disadvantage. “have a negative impact on other schools in the area in the form More than 700 expressions of interest in opening new of surplus places and an adverse effect on revenue and capital free schools have been received by the charitable group budgets”? the New Schools Network, and the majority of them The question is whether existing schools will see their have come from serving teachers in the state school budgets cut and lose teachers to pay for the new schools, system who want greater freedom to help the poorest and whether the Building Schools for the Future programme children do better. is now on hold to fund his new free schools policy. On That action is all the more vital, because we inherit fairness, does the right hon. Gentleman agree with the from the previous Government a schools system that Swedish Schools Minister that was as segregated and as stratified as any in the developed “free schools are generally attended by children of better educated world. In the most recent year for which we have and wealthy families making things even more difficult for children figures, out of a school cohort of 600,000, 80,000 attending ordinary schools in poor areas”? children were in homes entirely reliant on benefits, and How will he ensure that the losers from the budget cuts of those 80,000 children only 45 made it to Oxbridge—less will not be the children of middle and lower-income than 0.1% and, tellingly, fewer than those who made it families? from the school attended by the Leader of the Opposition. It is important that the right hon. Gentleman should Given that scale of underachievement, it is no surprise answer this question. Has he put in place clear safeguards that so many idealistic teachers want to start new schools, to stop existing private schools from simply reopening such as those American charter schools backed by as free schools, with taxpayers taking over the payment President Obama, which have closed the achievement of school fees? On standards, can he confirm that since gap between black and white children. In order to help the Swedish free schools policy was introduced, England teachers do here what has been achieved in America, we has risen to the top of the TIMMS—Trends in Mathematics announced last week that we would recreate the standards and Science Study—league table in maths and science, and diversity fund for schools, started by Tony Blair but Sweden has plummeted to the bottom? and abandoned under his successor. We are devoting to Will the Secretary of State amend the Academies Bill that fund £50 million saved from low-priority IT to prevent parents from delegating the entire management spending—less than 1% of all capital spending allocated of free schools to profit-making companies? Alternatively, for this year—and we are sweeping away the bureaucracy can we look forward, as in Sweden, to the grotesque that stands in the way of new school creation, with the chaos of private companies scuttling around the country reform of planning laws and building regulations. touting to parents, saying that they will set up a new Five years ago, the then Prime Minister said outside school for them, and make a profit, at the expense of this House: the taxpayer and other children’s education? 27 Free Schools Policy21 JUNE 2010 Free Schools Policy 28

Michael Gove: I thank the right hon. Gentleman for Mr Speaker: I am grateful to the Secretary of State, his questions. May I seek to put his mind at rest? He but just as a point of clarification—because we must asked whether the Academies Bill created the provision not mislead the public—Ministers do not ask questions for the creation of free schools. I confirm now, as I but answer them. It would be wrong to give people the confirmed during the Queen’s Speech debate, that it impression that the shadow Secretary of State has a absolutely does. He specifically asked about free school right to come back to the Dispatch Box during this meals and their funding. It is interesting that he should exchange. He has not—he has had his say—and we have asked that, because when he was at the Department must not mislead people to the contrary. for Children, Schools and Families, he did not secure the funding for the extension of free school meals; in Jane Ellison (Battersea) (Con): Has the Secretary of fact, figures from the Treasury confirm that that was an State had a chance to meet people from the neighbourhood underfunded promise, which raised the hopes of the school campaign in my constituency, who have already poor without the cash being there to sustain it. It was a made considerable progress towards the establishment cynical pre-election manoeuvre, typical of the right of a new secondary school in Wandsworth—a campaign hon. Gentleman. that I note that the shadow Secretary of State supported prior to the election? I confirm to the right hon. Gentleman that under no circumstances will I take for the free schools programme money intended to extend free school meals to poor Michael Gove: I thank my hon. Friend for that question. children. That money will go towards raising attainment I have had an opportunity to meet that idealistic group among the poorest children. I rejected the idea that the of parents, and others in Wandsworth. I want to pay right hon. Gentleman has attempted to advance. As I tribute to Mr Ron Rooney, Mr Jon De Maria and the pointed out in my statement and on Friday, the money other members of the group, who have done so much. for the programme comes from low-priority IT projects. My hon. Friend is right: the right hon. Gentleman was If he had simply read the press statement, rather than warm towards that group when he was in government. relying on unsubstantiated and unsourced reports, he Warmth towards the group has also been extended by would know that. the local authority—Wandsworth borough council—and its leader, Edward Lister. Like so many other local If the right hon. Gentleman is concerned about saving authorities, it has warmly welcomed this initiative to money and making economies, may I ask him this? Two introduce pluralism, diversity and high quality in the weeks ago, I wrote to him asking whether he would help state education system. us to find economies in the education budget by releasing the Handover report, which he commissioned when he Mr Barry Sheerman (Huddersfield) (Lab/Co-op): Does was office to try to find economies in the schools the Secretary of State agree that admissions policy is at budget. If he is serious about bearing down on costs the heart of any policy in terms of opening up schools and greater efficiency, will he now confirm that he will to pupils in a fair way? Does he have any plans to allow us to read that secret report on saving money? His change the admissions code or the power behind it that silence is eloquent in itself. ensures that it works? The right hon. Gentleman was kind enough to refer Michael Gove: I intend to ensure that all free schools to the words of the Swedish Schools Minister, Mr Bertil and all academies continue to abide by the existing Östberg. Let me just say that the Swedish Schools admissions code, that all schools that are currently Minister—[Interruption.] What a tongue twister that comprehensive remain comprehensive, and that schools was. As the right hon. Gentleman will know, Swedish is are as inclusive as possible. a language, particularly given the diminution in the number of people studying modern languages under his Government, that fewer and fewer people can translate Mr Rob Wilson (Reading East) (Con): What can my properly. He clearly cannot, because the Swedish Schools right hon. Friend do to ensure that free schools can be Minister said that the article from which Labour are set up quickly and easily in places such as Reading, quoting was where they will prove very popular indeed? “very biased. It is taken out of context…I have not warned the Michael Gove: I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his British Government against introducing Free Schools. I clearly question. I know how committed he is to improving said to the newspaper that the Swedish Free Schools are here to education in Reading and elsewhere. We are ensuring stay and that is something positive”. that we reform the building regulations that hold schools All the academic evidence from Sweden shows that back at the moment. Under the previous Government, more free schools mean higher standards. All schools we saw the absurdity of schools having to measure the improve when the number of free schools increases. A distance between cycle racks before they could go ahead second study found that in a given municipality, the with construction; unless that was between 600 mm and higher the proportion of free schools, the more standards 1 metre, the school could not be built. It is that sort of rise all round. The evidence not only from Swedish free absurd, pettifogging, centralising bureaucracy that we schools but from American charter schools shows that need to sweep away so that money goes where it needs such schools help to close the gap between the poorest to go—towards the front line and towards children in and the wealthiest children. It is that innovation in the Reading and elsewhere. cause of social mobility that lay behind the original academies programme introduced under Tony Blair, Glenda Jackson (Hampstead and Kilburn) (Lab): If traduced by the right hon. Member for Morley and the funding for academies and free schools is to come Outwood (Ed Balls), and brought back under a reforming from the cancellation of low-priority IT schemes, does coalition Government. that mean that the Secretary of State is firmly committed 29 Free Schools Policy21 JUNE 2010 Free Schools Policy 30 to the Building Schools for the Future programmes and Michael Gove: I hope that the schools will be set up in other financial support that was promised in my a variety of new buildings—[Interruption]—and in some constituency to tackle the shortage of school places old buildings as well. If we examine what has happened that exists, not only in primary and secondary schools? in Sweden, for example, we see that many new schools have opened in libraries, disused university buildings Michael Gove: I am grateful to the hon. Lady. I know and observatories. They are model buildings, but I am that in Camden, the Conservative and Liberal Democrat-led sure we all agree that the most important thing about council has been working incredibly hard to ensure that education is the quality of teaching and learning. That there are sufficient school places. I am grateful to her is why the enthusiasm of the teaching profession for the for her support for that programme, and to University changes that we are making is so hot. college London for doing so much to help to support an academy. We are doing everything we can to ensure that Charlotte Leslie (Bristol North West) (Con): Could we guarantee school places for children in Camden. my right hon. Friend tell me what measures he will take to prevent the loss of land usable for education and Annette Brooke (Mid Dorset and North Poole) (LD): schools, which we have seen over the past decade, so Will the Secretary of State apply a wider interest or that free schools can be set up on the land of schools public interest test when considering applications for that have closed down? free schools, and can he guarantee that he will give due consideration to local authorities’ views, whether they Michael Gove: My hon. Friend makes a very good be favourable or unfavourable? point. We are taking steps to ensure that D1 land, on which schools are built, remains there for school buildings Michael Gove: Yes, and yes. and is not used for commercial reasons.

Mr Tom Watson (West Bromwich East) (Lab): I am Angela Smith (Penistone and Stocksbridge) (Lab): grateful to the Secretary of State for announcing the Can the Secretary of State reassure the House that he number of schools that have expressed an interest in the will not at any time during the course of this Parliament project. Will he publish the list of schools so that we can use financial or political pressure to push schools into see what the national picture is, and will he explain why applying for free school status? not, if there is a problem with doing that? Michael Gove: I absolutely can. The legislation will Michael Gove: I am talking to all those schools now be permissive, which is why it is so important that we to ensure that we can all have as much information as rely on the enthusiasm and idealism of teachers to push possible about those that have expressed an interest, so it forward. that we can celebrate their moves towards greater independence. Guy Opperman (Hexham) (Con): I used to be an education barrister, and my last case, in March 2010, Nadhim Zahawi (Stratford-on-Avon) (Con): Will my was on behalf of the then Secretary of State for Children, right hon. Friend tell us what discussions he has been Schools and Families. It was probably his last ever having with teachers? I believe that it was teachers who success. were the driving force behind the charter school movement Does the Secretary of State see a place for rural in America. schools in Northumberland receiving proper funding in future, as they have been underfunded for so very long? Michael Gove: I am grateful to my hon. Friend. One of the most heartening things has been the enthusiasm Michael Gove: The right hon. Member for Morley that teachers have shown for our extension of academy and Outwood was lucky to have had such an effective freedoms. Just last Friday I was talking to Jodie King, brief to act on his behalf. an inspirational assistant head teacher in Ealing who I appreciate that in Northumberland, as my hon. wants to set up a free school, and I have spoken to the Friend and my right hon. Friend the Member for Berwick- Sutton Trust, which represents the interests of teachers upon-Tweed (Sir Alan Beith) have pointed out, there who are keen to promote social mobility, and which are real problems with the state of the fabric of school wants to see free schools established. buildings. One problem that we had with the Building I have talked to Mr Heath Monk, the head of Future Schools for the Future programme in the past was that Leaders, the programme that has done more than any far too often, money did not reach the front line with other to encourage great young people to become head sufficient speed. Local authorities had to spend an teachers, and found that it wants its alumni to support average of £7 million each before a single brick was laid the extension of the free schools programme. I was also or builder contracted. That degree of waste and bureaucracy able to talk to Brett Wigdortz and a number of Teach was scandalous, and we will end it. First alumni, all of whom want to join in extending the free schools programme. That is all on top of the more Kate Hoey (Vauxhall) (Lab): Will the Secretary of than 2,000 head teachers to whom I spoke at the conference State give us an assurance that when a successful primary of the National College for Leadership of Schools and or secondary school wishes to pursue Government policies, Children’s Services last week, who gave me a cordial the Government will support it even if the local authority response. decides not to do so for ideological or other reasons?

Phil Wilson (Sedgefield) (Lab): Will the Secretary of Michael Gove: I am grateful for the hon. Lady’s support. State tell me how many free schools he anticipates will We will do everything possible to support teachers, just open in converted shops? as I know she would wish. 31 Free Schools Policy21 JUNE 2010 Free Schools Policy 32

Mr Don Foster (Bath) (LD): Given the Secretary of Michael Gove: I am giving that money to the New State’s very welcome assurance that before a free school Schools Network because it is the organisation that is or an academy is agreed to, the wider public interest test best placed to carry forward our programme of ensuring and the views of the local education authority will be that we provide support. May I say that I am proud of considered, does he believe that in addition, there may the fact that the New Schools Network has among its be a role for the schools adjudicators to evaluate areas trustees Geoffrey Owen, the former editor of the Financial of concern? Times—and a former employer of the right hon. Member for Morley and Outwood? If Geoffrey Owen’s judgment Michael Gove: I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his is deficient in any regard, I am sure the right hon. point. I know that he, as someone who used to lead for Gentleman will tell me all about it. the Liberal Democrats on education, is particularly concerned about the impact of changes on his area of Chris Skidmore (Kingswood) (Con): In the United Bath and North East Somerset. We have had fruitful States, one of the greatest champions of greater school conversations about the position in that local authority, freedoms is President Obama. Can the Secretary of and I hope that we will continue to have such constructive State tell us about the successes of the charter schools conversations. movement in the US, particularly in New York? Mike Gapes (Ilford South) (Lab/Co-op): Can the Secretary of State tell us the position of the national Michael Gove: My hon. Friend is passionately committed curriculum in those so-called free schools? Do the proposals to improving the education of the very poorest, and mean that religious extremists will receive state funding therefore I am sure he will be interested to know that in to carry out education not in accordance with the New York, charter schools, including the Knowledge national curriculum? is Power Program charter schools, have closed the attainment gap between children from African-American Michael Gove: I share the hon. Gentleman’s commitment and white backgrounds, and that the Harlem Children’s to fighting extremism in all its forms, and I pay tribute Zone, an inspirational project led by Roland Fryer, has to the role that he has played, both as a constituency ensured that the gap in attainment between the very MP and on the Select Committee on Foreign Affairs, in poorest ghetto children and white children in New York drawing attention to the dangers of extremism. He will has been closed successfully. For those who argue that be aware that as an Opposition Member, I was insistent charter schools, academies or free schools cream, skim that we do not give public money to extremist groups. and select only the most aspirational or talented, the That is why I have said that no school can be established work of Caroline Hoxby and other academics proves unless the individuals who are setting it up do so with that such schools recruit the very poorest children and an ethos and curriculum that are in accordance with the then ensure that they go to the very best universities. democratic values of this country. More than that, we That is an inspirational model that I hope to see will operate according to the principles that were laid established here. out in the Policy Exchange report, “Choosing our friends wisely”, which was endorsed by the right hon. Member Liz Kendall (Leicester West) (Lab): Will the Secretary for Salford and Eccles (Hazel Blears), as a means of of State give some reassurance to Babington college in ensuring that not only violent extremists, but extremist my constituency, which I visited on Friday, and which groups, do not receive public funds and are unable to has just become a national challenge trust school? As exploit the generosity of the state. part of the bid to become such a school, it was promised money to provide extra one-on-one tuition, which is Claire Perry (Devizes) (Con): Will the Secretary of beginning to make a real difference in one of the most State confirm that one of the first applications he challenging and deprived parts of my constituency. Will received for new academy status was from the outstanding he reassure that school that it will get that funding so St John’s comprehensive school in Marlborough, which that it can provide the necessary tuition? has just had an enormous, £25 million rebuild without a penny of Government money? Does he agree that the model it is proposing of a rural federation, whereby it Michael Gove: I congratulate the hon. Lady on being has a suite of primary schools, is incredibly important elected as secretary of the Labour party’s Back-Bench in large rural constituencies? education committee. May I extend an invitation to her and other members of the committee to come to the Department, so that we can talk not just about the Michael Gove: My hon. Friend hits the nail on the issues in Babington, but more broadly? We want to head, as ever. It is critical that people realise that ensure that national challenge trust schools and those outstanding schools are going on the journey to acquiring schools that have been in difficulty continue to receive greater academy freedoms in order to help other schools. funding and, more importantly, that they continue to That may mean underperforming primaries, or nearby receive the support that they need from national leaders faltering or coasting schools, and the example of of education, in order to drive up standards. St John’s, Marlborough, and everything it has done, is inspirational. Andrew Percy (Brigg and Goole) (Con): As we move Jonathan Reynolds (Stalybridge and Hyde) (Lab/Co-op): forward on the innovative free schools idea, can we have Will the Secretary of State tell us why he is going to give an assurance that their responsibilities towards excluded £500,000 to the New Schools Network, an organisation children will be exactly the same as those of any other run by his former special adviser? school in the state system? 33 Free Schools Policy21 JUNE 2010 Free Schools Policy 34

Michael Gove: My hon. Friend is a former teacher, and in Hampshire, too. We will ensure that we remove and a brilliant one at that. We will ensure that all some of the obstacles that exist with regard to the use academies continue to abide by the same rules on class order system so that buildings that can be transferred admissions, hard-to-place children and exclusions that to school use are transferred more quickly. We will also apply to all state schools. change some of the onerous building regulations that currently inhibit the effective use of handsome buildings Ian Austin (Dudley North) (Lab): The Secretary of that could be brilliant schools. State knows that I have spent the past five years trying to persuade the councils responsible for Dudley school Chris Leslie (Nottingham East) (Lab/Co-op): The to transform standards by introducing academies and Secretary of State explained earlier that the free-market producing a decent bid for Building Schools for the schools programme was going to be paid for by savings Future. Before the election I was promised that the from lower priority IT programmes, and he seemed to Department had funds available if the councils were indicate that he had an idea of how much they would able to produce a decent bid. Does that promise still cost. Can he therefore tell the House what the budget stand? will be in this financial year for that venture?

Michael Gove: I know how passionate the hon. Michael Gove: Yes, we are devoting £50 million from Gentleman, who is the son of a head teacher, is about the harnessing technology fund from lower-level IT ensuring that that school moves towards achieving academy projects, in order to recreate the fund that was set up by status, and he knows how keen I am on academy status. Tony Blair—the standards and diversity fund—which I suggest that he come into the Department, so that we was abolished under the right hon. Member for Kirkcaldy can talk about exactly how we can advance that programme. and Cowdenbeath (Mr Brown). I know that the hon. Gentleman was a keen Blairite before he became the Caroline Dinenage (Gosport) (Con): There is a desperate previous Prime Minister’s campaign manager. Let me shortage in some of the schools in my constituency. In say to him that his earlier allegiance to standards and particular, the other day I met a Navy wife, like myself, diversity is now being upheld by this coalition Government. who has five kids who go to four separate schools, which must be an absolute nightmare logistically. Will Several hon. Members rose— the Secretary of State give more details about the planning Mr Speaker: Order. I am grateful to colleagues for changes that will be made to ensure that schools can set their co-operation, but all good things come to an end. up quickly and easily to meet parental demand? Time is pressing and we must move on. Michael Gove: I am hugely sympathetic to my hon. Ed Balls rose— Friend. The number of children born in the past few years has risen dramatically, and as a result of that Mr Speaker: The shadow Secretary of State will welcome baby boom, there is pressure on school places know that points of order come after statements, so he across the country—in Slough, in south and west London, will have to raise his point of order later. 35 21 JUNE 2010 European Council 36

European Council down the barriers to business. This means pushing for agreement on Doha, reforming and completing the 3.57 pm single market and making the process of trade easier. Even without Doha, there is a huge amount that countries The Prime Minister (Mr David Cameron): I am sure across the world can do to facilitate trade. I want that the whole House will join me in paying tribute to Britain to be one of the driving forces in helping to Trooper Ashley Smith from the Royal Dragoon Guards, bring this about. who was killed in Afghanistan last week. He died serving our country, and our thoughts are with his family and Next is the eurozone. Britain is not in the euro, and, friends. We have also heard news this morning that a let me be clear: we are not going to join the euro—[HON. member of 40 Commando Royal Marines has died MEMBERS: “Hear, hear.”]—but a strong and successful from his injuries. He is the 300th member of the British eurozone is vital for the British national interest. Already, armed forces to lose his life as a result of the conflict in about half our exports go to the EU, fourth fifths of Afghanistan. them to the eurozone. As this House is aware, however, When such a tragic milestone is reached, we should with the situation in Greece and the need for a support re-emphasise our support for our armed forces and for package from the other eurozone members, there is no all that they do. Inevitably, some will use this moment doubt that the eurozone as a whole faces real challenges. to question our mission and our purpose there. We are So I was generally supportive of the Council’s efforts to paying a high price, but let me be clear: we are in strengthen the eurozone governance arrangements, but Afghanistan because the Afghans are not yet capable of I was equally determined to ensure our national interests securing their own country from terrorists. It is for our are protected. own national security that we help them. When they can On budget surveillance, let me be clear: the UK do it alone, we will leave. In the meantime, we must give Budget will be shown to this House first and not to the our armed forces everything they need to get the job Commission. Of course, we will share projections and done, and that includes our unequivocal support right forecasts, just as we do with the International Monetary across the country. Fund and other international bodies: so, co-ordination With permission, I should like to make a statement and consultation, yes; clearance, no, never. on last Thursday’s European Council. It was rightly On sanctions, for those who breach their economic focused on securing the economic recovery, and it was obligations, the Council agreed that unanimous that this required early action on budget “Member States’ respective obligations under the Treaties will be deficits. The Council also dealt with Europe’s growth fully respected”. strategy, the need to sort out the problems in the eurozone Because of this, and because of the special opt-out and our approach to the G20. It also delivered important negotiated by the last Conservative Government, sanctions progress on Iran. I would like to take each point in turn. cannot be applied to the UK under the current framework. On deficits, the conclusions from the Council could Sorting out the eurozone and adding to its governance not be clearer. Delaying action would entail “major arrangements is clearly vital for Europe. There may well risks”, and the Council called on member states to meet be significant changes coming down the track. Whether budgetary targets “without delay”. Since the last European they require treaty changes or not, our position will be Council, the problems in Greece and the scale of the the same: we will back measures that will help sort out sovereign debt crisis have become apparent to almost the eurozone; we will not back measures that pass everyone. That is why there is such unanimity across the power from the UK to Brussels. As we are not members EU for early action. It is also why President Barroso of the euro, we will not back measures that draw Britain paid tribute to the efforts the UK Government, saying: further into financial support for the euro area. “Consolidation is necessary for confidence and without confidence there will be no growth.” On the G20, the EU Council discussed our priorities for the upcoming meeting. As well as taking action on On growth, the Council agreed a new strategy called the deficit, the Council also agreed about the importance Europe 2020. This follows on from the Lisbon agenda, of reforming the financial system. It is vital that the the aim of which was to make Europe the most competitive meeting in Canada back the right action on reserves market in the world. The document has some worthwhile and on capital. objectives, including raising the level of research and development and improving education. This should not On the issue of a banking levy, the European conclusions interfere with national competencies, so I secured explicit were helpful. We wanted the Council to endorse the agreement that the new strategy must be idea of countries introducing a levy on financial institutions “fully in line with the relevant Treaty provisions and EU rules and to ensure they make a contribution to rebuilding public shall not alter Member States’ competences”. finances. We did not want the Council to mandate a We should be clear that all the strategies in the world particular form of levy or how the money raised should cannot conceal the fact that EU countries all need to be used. I am pleased to say the Council conclusions get to grips with the real problems that harm our reflect that approach. competitiveness—not by endlessly setting targets, but On Iran, we argued that it is time for action, not just by taking action. This includes action on the extent of words. The Council conclusion refers to measures, including our debts, on the affordability of our pensions and on restrictions on trade, banking, transport and the oil and the scale of our welfare dependency. Europe has never gas industry. Final agreement will be reached at the lacked strategies, but European countries have frequently Foreign Ministers’ meeting. failed to deliver them. The Council also reached important conclusions on We will also continue to press for the real stimulus Iceland’s application to join the EU. This country should that European economies need—that is, more trade, be a good friend to Iceland and a strong supporter of more international investment and more action to break continued EU enlargement. But Iceland does owe the 37 European Council21 JUNE 2010 European Council 38

UK £2.3 billion in respect of the compensation paid by Is it not the case that we can only be effective in the Government to UK investors, following the collapse Europe if what we say and do there is matched by what of its banking sector. We will use the application process we say and do at home? In that regard, may I commend to make sure that Iceland meets its obligations, because the Prime Minister on his reference in his pre-summit we want that money back. article to what he describes as the Finally, it is important that even in difficult times we “shocking inequality of women in many parts of Europe” support people in the poorest countries who suffer from and what he says is the “urgent need for change”? If he the most severe poverty. The European Council reaffirmed recognises the “shocking inequality” of women elsewhere its commitment to achieving development aid targets by in Europe, can he act on it here? Will he show Europe 2015 and, supported by the UK, to review that annually. that he means at home what he says in Brussels by The Council delivered good outcomes for Britain. committing himself to implementing the Equality Act Our citizens do not want new structures to talk about 2010 as soon as possible and to pressing on with the things, but a new resolve to do things, such as getting a plan to make employers publish the gender pay gap? grip of our massive budget deficit, developing the single What will the Prime Minister do about his Tory market and building the conditions for strong, sustainable MEPs who clearly have not got the message at all and and balanced growth. That is what the Council was all abstained in the vote on the millennium development about. I commend the statement to the House. goals, and who voted against measures to combat gender inequality only last week. He thinks it is “shocking”, Ms Harriet Harman (Camberwell and Peckham) (Lab): but they seem to be all in favour of it. May I join the Prime Minister in paying tribute to the two soldiers who have lost their lives: Trooper Ashley The Council focused on economic growth, and I Smith from the Royal Dragoon Guards; and a Royal welcome the summit’s adoption of the Europe 2020 Marine from 40 Commando Royal Marines. As the strategy for growth, which stated that Prime Minister has said, 300 members of our forces “priority should be given to growth-friendly budgetary consolidation have now given their lives in Afghanistan in the service strategies” of our country. We pay tribute to their bravery and and that honour their sacrifice, and our thoughts are with their “increasing the growth potential should be seen as paramount to families. I strongly agree with the Prime Minister about ease fiscal adjustment in the long run.” the cause for which our soldiers are fighting in Afghanistan: In other words, it said, “Don’t undermine growth when they are fighting there to keep our streets safe here. That you’re cutting borrowing”, and, “Youneed growth to be is why the Opposition join the Government in support able to bring borrowing down.” According to the official of our troops and their mission. As we approach Armed summit conclusions, one of its main objectives is Forces day, let us remember all our servicemen and “to unlock the EU’s growth potential, starting with innovation women, whether they are stationed abroad or at home. and energy policies”. Their skill and courage are unsurpassed. We agree with that. That is what the Prime Minister I thank the Prime Minister for his statement. First, signed up to in Brussels. However, he is doing something may I endorse his support for the summit’s declaration very different here at home. How does it help growth to on Iran, which again shows that on issues of international cut business investment support, and how does it concern, we who are EU member states have a bigger “unlock the EU’s growth… starting with… energy” impact when we combine our efforts? Does he agree that while the threat of a nuclear-armed Iran remains a to cancel the loan to Sheffield Forgemasters allowing it matter of the utmost concern, the international community to build the next generation of nuclear power stations? is now more united than ever before in searching for a Does this not mean that Europe, as well as the United peaceful solution, and that the active EU diplomacy we Kingdom, will lose out as South Korea and Japan have seen in recent years has played an important part proceed with that work? in that? Will he tell us whether there is a timetable for Let me turn to the important question of financial further EU action on Iran? Will he confirm the importance services. We welcome the intention to implement a new not only of sanctions and diplomatic pressure, but of system of levies and taxes on financial institutions, and international engagement with the people of Iran? Will to explore an international approach. May I ask the he therefore give an undertaking that the BBC Farsi Prime Minister to say more about the progress report service will be protected from any threats to the budget on the work of the taskforce on economic governance? of the BBC World Service? There is a British representative on it, and the taskforce Secondly, may I also welcome the EU summit’s strong has implications for the United Kingdom as well as for commitment to meeting the millennium development eurozone countries. Which, if any, aspects of enhanced goals by 2015 and the Prime Minister’s endorsement of economic governance might be applied to the United that? The terrible crisis of drought, food shortages and Kingdom? starvation in Niger is a vivid reason why we must have This was the Prime Minister’s first European Council. international action on development. Will he not be a He is now representing our country in Europe. So is it stronger voice in the EU for the whole of the EU to not time for him to have a sensible rethink about the make development a priority, if his Government continue wisdom of continuing to exclude himself from the to prioritise development? Following the Labour grouping of centre-right political leaders? The European Government’s commitment, the European Commission People’s party includes President Sarkozy, Chancellor recommended that all EU member states should consider Merkel, and the Prime Ministers of Sweden, Italy, legislating to enshrine the 0.7% aid target, which the Poland and many other countries; but instead of meeting Labour Government established. Will the Prime Minister them to prepare for the summit, the Prime Minister has take forward in this Session of Parliament the Bill that a meeting with one Polish MEP to prepare for Britain’s we introduced to make that target legally binding? contribution. 39 European Council21 JUNE 2010 European Council 40

[Ms Harriet Harman] that we need to take early action on the deficit. Every other country is having to take this sort of action, The general election is over. The right hon. Gentleman including painful action. The right hon. and learned is Prime Minister now. Will he put aside his pandering Lady does not have to talk nonsense because she is not to his Europhobic Back Benchers and agree with his taking part in the Labour leadership election, so she Liberal Democrat coalition partners on this point? That should talk some sense and recognise that we have to is what would be in Britain’s interests. get our deficit in order, we have to take action and it is the right thing to do. The Prime Minister: Well, the right hon. and learned Lady is right about one thing: the general election is Richard Ottaway (Croydon South) (Con): The Council over. called on the Foreign Ministers at their next meeting to The right hon. and learned Lady is absolutely right implement the United Nations sanctions against Iran. about Iran. We do need great unity on this issue; and Does the Prime Minister agree that that is a big step in Europe forging ahead together with a very strong statement the twin-track strategy of combining sanctions with about sanctions, then introducing sanctions, is right. engagement and assistance, and does he have in mind She asked when it would be finalised. That will happen any event or date that would trigger a definitive assessment on 26 July, at the Foreign Affairs Council, and the of whether or not the twin-track strategy against Iran is sanctions should come into effect in October. actually working? The right hon. and learned Lady asked about the BBC service in Farsi. I can confirm that it will continue The Prime Minister: I am grateful for my hon. Friend’s to be funded well, because it is important. We should be question. The key is to try to get the maximum number looking at all the elements of soft power and how we of countries behind the most specific list of sanctions project our influence in the world, and that is clearly possible. I think that what we have had in recent years is one of them. a lot of talk about sanctions and a lot of commitments The right hon. and learned Lady mentioned the to sanctions. Now is the time for countries actually to millennium development goals and the importance of come up with what they are specifically going to target prioritising development. We agree with her about that. in terms of bank accounts, trade finance, oil and gas It was on the insistence of the British, among others, works and the rest. That is what should happen. My that we put the annual review of development assistance hon. Friend asked for a specific date as to when this into the Council conclusions, partly so that we could should be assessed; I think it is an ongoing process. ensure that other countries are living up to the obligations What we are trying to do here is tip the balance in the under which they place themselves. We will continue to mind of Iran in terms of making progressing with a do that, although we are clearing up the most almighty nuclear weapon more expensive, in order to get it to financial mess at home. As for making it legally binding, think again. There is no one date for that; it should be we agree with that, and will produce plans to make it continually assessed. happen. The right hon. and learned Lady spoke about consistency, Ms Gisela Stuart (Birmingham, Edgbaston) (Lab): and about the importance of recognising the gross May I join the Prime Minister in paying tribute to the inequality of women. We will set out measures for 300th member of the British armed forces who lost his greater transparency, including transparency in pay. We life, not least because he lost it in my constituency of are in favour of that. Birmingham, Edgbaston, where the Royal Centre The right hon. and learned Lady mentioned our for Defence Medicine and the medical facilities are MEPs at great length. I can tell her that I will be located? keeping a careful watch on what Labour MEPs vote for, On the European Council meeting and the Prime because they do not always vote in a sensible way. Minister’s response, he was very positive about the 2020 agenda. Given that the 2010 Lisbon agenda was vacuous, Chris Bryant (Rhondda) (Lab): What about the Liberal useless and did not deliver anything, why does he think Democrats? the 2020 agenda, which is going to build on that, will produce anything more useful? The Prime Minister: We will be having a look at them too. The Prime Minister: First of all, may I agree with The right hon. and learned Lady also spoke at great what the hon. Lady says about the medical facilities in length about borrowing. She mentioned the dangers of her constituency? Like her, I have been to the Selly Oak falling behind South Korea. I have to say that if we hospital and what is done there is incredibly impressive, followed her advice, I think we would be falling behind as is the fact that our returning servicemen and women North Korea, but let me say this to her about the issue have access to all the many excellent hospitals in of borrowing. The Council’s conclusion could not be Birmingham, so that all the specialities can be dealt clearer. It said: with. “We reaffirm our collective determination to ensure fiscal On the 2020 document, I did not think that I did sustainability, including by accelerating plans for fiscal consolidation sound that enthusiastic about it, because like the hon. where warranted”. Lady—I suspect we agree about this quite a lot—I am Where is it more warranted than in Britain, where rather suspicious of these strategies, as what really Labour left us with a £155 billion public sector deficit? needs to be done is greater action within each European It is interesting that, following the sovereign debt Union country to deal with the problems of our lack of crisis and what has happened in Greece, the Labour competitiveness. That is about welfare dependency, the party is completely isolated in Europe in not believing scale of our pensions obligations and our uncompetitive 41 European Council21 JUNE 2010 European Council 42 tax rates. Sitting around and strategising is one thing, The Prime Minister: My hon. Friend makes a very but what we really need to do is roll up our sleeves and good and reasonable point. There are threats to our get on with the work of making our economies more competitive position coming from the European competitive; otherwise, 2020 will join Lisbon in being Commission and, more particularly, from the co-decision dreams that are unfulfilled. procedure and the great strength that had been given to the European Parliament under the Lisbon treaty. It Sir Menzies Campbell (North East Fife) (LD): Can makes our work harder, I have to be frank. In relation the Prime Minister tell us whether there was any discussion to the de Larosière package on financial regulation, a at the Council about the European security and defence reasonable compromise was reached, but the European and policy, and in particular whether, either at the Parliament has unpicked that and made it much more Council or later, he had any discussion with President burdensome from the British point of view. Now, there Sarkozy about the possibility of closer defence co-operation is no alternative to having to fight back to the compromise between the United Kingdom and France? Would that that we left. It is not a satisfactory situation. One thing not be a very good memorial to General de Gaulle? on which my hon. Friend and I agree is that the Lisbon treaty was not a step forward. The Prime Minister: The right hon. and learned Angus Robertson (Moray) (SNP): I join the Prime Gentleman is absolutely right in raising this issue. It was Minister in paying tribute to service personnel. These not specifically discussed at the European Council, but tributes resonate especially in my constituency, which I discussed it over lunch with President Sarkozy when has suffered the single biggest loss of UK service personnel he was here for the de Gaulle commemoration. There aboard Nimrod XV230 in Afghanistan. are some real opportunities, because when we look at the defence needs of Britain and France, we see that we While he was in Brussels, did the Prime Minister have both have effective armed forces, we both have a nuclear the opportunity to congratulate Mr Bart De Wever, the deterrent and we both have important naval forces. winner of last week’s Belgian general election? Does the There is room for more collaboration and co-operation. Prime Minister join me in wishing both Flanders and This has fallen down in the past because we have often Wallonia well as neighbours and partners within the talked a big game, but nothing has happened. What we European Union? should do is start with some smaller projects, where we begin to collaborate and work together and show this The Prime Minister: Getting involved in potential makes sense, and then we can take the work forward. grief between Flemings and Walloons is an area that I But I think this is good for both of us when we want to do not want to head into, if the hon. Gentleman will maintain strong defences, yet we know that we both forgive me. face—if I can put it like this—issues of affordability. Nicholas Soames (Mid Sussex) (Con): I join my right hon. Friend in paying tribute to the fallen, and I warmly Mike Gapes (Ilford South) (Lab/Co-op): The Prime congratulate him on the judicious way in which he Minister referred to enlargement of the European Union balanced British and European interests at the European only in the context of Iceland, but was there any discussion Council. Did he have an opportunity to discuss the about what is happening in the western Balkans in accession of Turkey to the European Union? Will he relation to membership of the EU not just for Croatia, confirm that, not least because Turkey continues to play but for the other states of former Yugoslavia? a very important role in world affairs, that continues to be a cardinal act of British policy? The Prime Minister: My right hon. Friend the Foreign Secretary was in Sarajevo recently. The hon. Gentleman The Prime Minister: My hon. Friend is absolutely right will find that there is great enthusiasm on the Government about supporting Turkish membership of the European side of the House for further enlargement of the European Union. I think that we should back it wholeheartedly. It Union. Obviously, Macedonia is a candidate country, is very important for the future of Europe and for the and, obviously, we want Croatia—and, in time, others—to future of Turkey. It was not specifically discussed at the join the EU. It struck me, at my first European Council, European Council, but we should all be concerned by just what a positive difference enlargement has made, the signs that Turkey is beginning to look in other particularly in relation to members from central and directions, and we should be doing all we can to anchor eastern Europe, who, on many issues, take a similar her into the European Union. The decision that the view to us and can be very useful allies. This is an Turks have taken regarding Iran is depressing from that agenda that we want to push forward. In terms of point of view, so it should continue to be our policy to maintaining stability and peace in the western Balkans, support Turkish membership wholeheartedly and to try anchoring those countries into the European Union is a to persuade others to do the same. thoroughly positive thing to do. Mr Tom Watson (West Bromwich East) (Lab): On Mr William Cash (Stone) (Con): The Prime Minister tackling the deficit in pensions obligations, did the referred to economic recovery. There are currently as Prime Minister discuss his review of state pensions in many as 30 European directives in the pipeline which the UK, and can he confirm that that extends to the will deeply affect our financial regulation and economic armed forces pensions schemes? governance, nearly all of which are by qualified majority voting and co-decision. There is also the issue of European The Prime Minister: What I can confirm is that the social and employment legislation. How will my right former Member for Barrow and Furness, John Hutton, hon. Friend—and, of course, the Chancellor tomorrow— is going to lead this review, which is looking at pensions regain and retain control over those economic issues? within the state sector. It is a very important piece of 43 European Council21 JUNE 2010 European Council 44

[The Prime Minister] do not have to pay twice. So we believe in trying to do this. We should also be clear to other countries, which work and I am sure that its terms of reference will, in perhaps feel that they cannot do more in the front line, time, be placed in the House of Commons for the hon. that there is huge amount of logistic support—helicopters, Gentleman to look at. transport and other support—that they can do now and that is incredibly welcome. Michael Fallon (Sevenoaks) (Con): Does my right hon. Friend agree that the striking unanimity on urgent Mr Dennis Skinner (Bolsover) (Lab): Did the Prime deficit reduction shows how right the Government are Minister show a little bit of gratitude for the decisions to get on with it? May we take it from his statement that of the Labour party conference and people such as Britain’s liability towards future eurozone stability will Labour Members who decided not to join the eurozone not extend beyond the measures agreed by the former many years ago, showing great foresight and calling on Chancellor on 9 May? the then Chancellor to write out the five conditions that kept us out? There must be a little part of him that is The Prime Minister: I can give that assurance. It is envious of that. absolutely our view that we should not go further than the last Government, in our view, mistakenly went. The Prime Minister: I do not want to sound uncharitable, Britain has advantages from staying outside the euro. I but I remember that the last Conservative Government have never supported our membership of the euro and negotiated the opt-out from the single currency that never will, because I have always believed that, once we gave us the ability to stay out of the single currency, join the euro, the pressures for single economic government and I pay tribute to my right hon. Friend the Foreign get greater and greater, and that is what we are seeing Secretary, who, in difficult circumstances, made the within the eurozone. But it is in our interests for the argument against the single currency. What I remember, countries of the eurozone to sort out their problems. We when the hon. Gentleman was sitting on the Government should not stand in their way, as they try to do that. Our Benches rather than on the Opposition Benches, is the conditions should be that we will not support something then Government wasted about £30 million on preparations that transfers power from Britain to Brussels, and we for joining the euro. I could have given them that advice will not support something that takes us further into for free: do not join it. financial support for the eurozone, but we should be in favour of measures to make sure that that zone works. Alec Shelbrooke (Elmet and Rothwell) (Con): May I congratulate the Prime Minister on showing some leadership Mrs Louise Ellman (Liverpool, Riverside) (Lab/Co-op): in Europe once more—Britain is grateful—and will he European investment funds have played a major part in confirm to the House and the public at large that, boosting jobs and the economy in Liverpool and other having drawn red lines in the sand on our position in parts of the north-west, with the Northwest Regional this country, he will never give them up just to further Development Agency playing a major role in ensuring his own career after the House? that they come to the region. Was there any discussion about how that can be continued? The Prime Minister: Yes, I can confirm—[Interruption.] The Prime Minister: We did not discuss regional policy specifically. It is important that we make sure Mr Speaker: Order. I do not know what the former that investment continues into the regions, and the hon. Minister for Europe had for breakfast, but perhaps we Lady will know that we have announced plans for how should be on it—or, alternatively, perhaps we should we think we can do even better than the regional not. development agencies have done. I recently read out a list about some of the very wasteful amounts of spending The Prime Minister: I am not going to go there; they have been engaged in. What we want is real money neither am I applying for some European supernumerary going into our cities to make sure that development position and all that, but it is important that we set out takes place. [Interruption.] The right hon. Member for clearly what we want to achieve. But I say again that we Doncaster Central (Ms Winterton) shouts about Sheffield. are not against members of the eurozone sorting out I ask her to look at the shareholder structure of that their own affairs. We should not stand in their way. We organisation to see who would really benefit from that want a strong eurozone; we just do not want Britain to not very well thought through piece of financial engineering. be part of it in joining the single currency, and we also do not believe that we should give it further financial Mr Julian Brazier (Canterbury) (Con): I welcome my support. Those are the keys that we must stick to. right hon. Friend’s comments on progress on Iran, but does he agree that the future of Afghanistan is also Chris Heaton-Harris (Daventry) (Con): In this era of important to all members of the European Union? pan-European budget consolidation, will the Prime Minister Does he agree that it is time that some of our European confirm that he will insist, in the spirit engendered by partners did more to share in the sacrifices of blood and the words, “We are all in this together”, that the continually treasure that our forces are making there? rising European Commission budget benefits from considerable shrinkage in future? The Prime Minister: My hon. Friend makes an excellent point, and it is one that we should, and do, make all the The Prime Minister: Can I say first how glad I am time in the EU and NATO. As he knows, one of the that my hon. Friend decided to quit the European things we should push for is the reform of NATO, so Parliament and to join us here in the Westminster that we get a common operational fund so that countries Parliament, although he left the European Parliament such as Britain that are making such a big contribution just at the moment at which it has given itself a large 45 European Council21 JUNE 2010 European Council 46 dollop of extra power? I absolutely agree with him: the can he tell us exactly what progress was made in getting next European budget needs to be at worst a freeze and his European partners to agree that the money with at best a reduction. I do not say that because of any which we subsidise the European Union will be cut? I particular ideological animus; I say it because we will be am talking about not just the costs of the bureaucracy, making difficult budget decisions here in the United but the subsidy that we give every year to the EU. Kingdom, and our constituents will not understand if we make budget reductions in the UK, but the European The Prime Minister: I know that the hon. Gentleman budget increases—it just will not wash. takes quite a robust view on this, but I have to say that, from where I stand, the previous Government gave Kate Hoey (Vauxhall) (Lab): The Prime Minister away £7 billion of the British rebate and got nothing in made a statement on the formal business at the European return, in terms of a proper review of the common Council, but as it was his first Council meeting, would agricultural policy. As I said, when it comes to financial he like to share with us, in the privacy of the Chamber, perspectives for the EU, we have to constrain the spending how he really felt about being there, in terms of his of the organisation, particularly as we will be constraining attitude, support and work with other leaders? Did he the spending of pretty much everything else. get a feeling that those leaders understood that the vast majority of people in the United Kingdom do not want Mr Peter Bone (Wellingborough) (Con): Could the any more powers to go to Europe, and indeed want to Prime Minister tell the House how he was received in get some powers back as soon as we can? Europe now that we have a British bulldog representing the interests of Britain, instead of the former Prime The Prime Minister: I think that there is a good Minister, who was like a French poodle? understanding in the European Union of the British position, and an understanding that we are practical, The Prime Minister: Perhaps when it is a person’s first logical, sensible people. We think that the European European Council, they give them a slightly softer ride. process of integration has gone too far and should not If Britain states our positions clearly, and if we work go further, but we also want to be constructive and hard, particularly with allies in France and Germany, to positive. The hon. Lady asked for my impressions. One put forward our positions and why they matter so much of the things that does strike one is that enlargement to us, we can meet with success, but we should have a has been a success for the United Kingdom, in terms of positive agenda. As well as protecting our competences being able to drive our national interests forward; that is and keeping ourselves out of the single currency, we helpful. The other impression is about the primacy of should have a positive agenda about trade, Doha and the economic problems that Europe faces. It is a really completing the single market, because all our economies difficult situation that some European countries face, need the stimulus that trade and investment can bring. and grappling with that, with the future of the euro and There is no money left in the European kitties; one can the eurozone, and with how it will work, will consume see that by looking at the other leaders sitting around an enormous amount of attention in Europe. I thought the table, and at how they are feeling, given their own that there was a general approach—positive, from our budget deficits. So the best stimulus that we can have is point of view—that the organisation should now be free trade, Doha and completing the single market. about action, substance and political will, rather than endless treaties, processes and institutions. If that could Chris Leslie (Nottingham East) (Lab/Co-op): As a be the case for the coming few years, I, for one, would matter of record, will the Prime Minister say that, at the be very grateful. European Council, there was absolutely no discussion Damian Hinds (East Hampshire) (Con): After the whatsoever of the risks to economic growth from cumulative Prime Minister’s constructive discussions with European or excessive spending cuts across Europe, or was he just leaders, and the European Commission President’s emphasis not listening to those bits? on fiscal consolidation and structural reform, is he feeling isolated in Europe, as Labour Members suggested The Prime Minister: I was focused and listening to he would? every minute of the discussions. We want to get it right in dealing with deficits and encouraging growth, but the The Prime Minister: Absolutely the opposite. What is conclusions make it clear that those countries with interesting is that, since what has happened in Greece really bad deficit problems have to take action. When and the problems of sovereign debt, European Union one sits at the table and looks at the problems in Greece, members are pretty much unanimous that one has to and at the difficulties in Spain, one asks oneself who take action on budget deficits, and one has to do it now. has the biggest budget deficit, and the answer is Britain, The risk is falling confidence; that people will not lend because we were left it by the Labour party. us money; and going the same way as Greece. The one group of people who now seem to be completely outside Guy Opperman (Hexham) (Con): The right hon. that consensus are those in the British Labour party. and learned Member for Camberwell and Peckham They, for reasons of political advantage—or pretend (Ms Harman) accused the Prime Minister of pandering. political advantage—are the last people who think that Does the Prime Minister agree that the only people who one does not need to deal with the budget deficit. That are behaving like pandas, which have notoriously bad is very short-sighted and very wrong, and I think that vision, are the Opposition, who have signed away so they will come to regret it. much over the past 13 years?

Mr Ian Davidson (Glasgow South West) (Lab/Co-op): The Prime Minister: My hon. Friend is right. If we If the Prime Minister is telling us that there is widespread look at what has happened over the past 13 years, we agreement across Europe that deficits need to be cut, have had a succession of treaty changes, whether Nice, 47 European Council21 JUNE 2010 European Council 48

[The Prime Minister] The Prime Minister: I am grateful for that question. There was a long discussion about the issue of a transaction Amsterdam or Lisbon, but we have not had the action tax, and great support for that within the European that we needed to complete the single market to make Council. I was keen to make sure that countries such as the differences that would help our economy. We should the UK that want to introduce a banking levy, and that aim for fewer institutional changes—not more treaties—and would like international agreement but nevertheless want getting things done in Europe that will benefit the to go ahead in any event, should be able to do so British economy. without being bound by the EU to introduce a particular sort of tax or to spend the money in a particular sort of Huw Irranca-Davies (Ogmore) (Lab): Understandably, way. That was achieved. much of the discussion focused on economics and the If the hon. Lady looks at the EU Council’s conclusions, financial situation, but may I ask whether, in his discussions she will see that they say that we should continue to with Iceland, and in future discussions at the International explore and develop the case for a transaction tax, Whaling Commission, the Prime Minister will make which is sensible. However, I must tell her that it will be sure that the previous Government’s long-standing position difficult to get international agreement for such a tax, on a moratorium on whaling is upheld, and that there is which is why Britain is right to take the approach that it no diminution to allow a resumption of commercial has taken. whaling? Mr Philip Hollobone (Kettering) (Con): There did The Prime Minister: Yes, I can give the hon. Gentleman not appear to be any agreement on the future shape of that assurance. Two things stand out. First, if Iceland is the European External Action Service. How can Britain’s to join the European Union, which has a ban on whaling best interests be advanced in that respect? in its waters, it must accept that what it does is incompatible with membership, so that would have to change. Secondly—I raised this in my meeting with the President The Prime Minister: My hon. Friend makes a good of the European Commission—it is important that, if point. Obviously, our party did not support the Lisbon Europe discusses its position on whaling, countries treaty or the creation of the European External Action should be able to vote against any form of resumption Service. I am very keen that resources are not badly of commercial whaling without being in danger of spent or badly used on the service. Not much progress some sort of infraction proceedings. I made that position has yet been made. We will work to try to ensure that absolutely clear. the service increases nation states’ ability to project themselves in the world, and does not become an expensive Jason McCartney (Colne Valley) (Con): May I ask bureaucracy. the Prime Minister how warm a welcome he received in Europe, bearing in mind the fact that he went over there Mr Speaker: Last but not least, I call Nadhim Zahawi. to get commitments on our behalf, whereas his predecessor used to travel over there to concede our powers? Nadhim Zahawi (Stratford-on-Avon) (Con): Will the Prime Minister tell the House the number of countries The Prime Minister: My hon. Friend makes a good in Europe that have understood the difference between point. We must take a clear approach and talk with emergency financial help and structural change of their other European leaders about our concerns, as it is an economy? The only party left to understand the difference organisation in which people are fundamentally trying is the Opposition. to help one another, rather than do one another down. If we are clear about why we have red lines and what The Prime Minister: My hon. Friend makes a good they mean, it is perfectly possible, when we have built up point. All the countries of Europe understand the need alliances, to get them agreed. This country should always for action to reduce budget deficits and have signed up stand up for itself in Europe. We do not aim to be to the 2020 document, which, as I said, has good things isolated, but there will be occasions when we are on our in it, but the real action that we all need to take to make own. It is important that we are prepared to stand up sure that the countries of Europe are not stuck in a and say what we think when that happens. slow-growth uncompetitive position as against Brazil, Russia, India, China and all the future fast growers, is Stella Creasy (Walthamstow) (Lab/Co-op): May I to look at our real problems—our structural problems, press the Prime Minister to say a little more about his our high costs, our high taxes—and to work out that we discussions in the European Council on the banking will have to take difficult decisions to make Europe levy, and where that leaves those of us who are desperate more competitive, so that we can pay for the public for action on global poverty and climate change, particularly services and the higher living standards that we all the introduction of a so-called Robin Hood tax? want. 49 21 JUNE 2010 Points of Order 50

Points of Order Mr Deputy Speaker: The right hon. Gentleman has put his point on the record. It is not a matter for me, but I am sure that it will be read tomorrow. 4.41 pm Jo Swinson (East Dunbartonshire) (LD): On a point Barbara Keeley (Worsley and Eccles South) (Lab): of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. May I ask your advice? On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. At 9.25 this Tomorrow the House will vote for the Chair of the new morning, the Department of Health announced a major Backbench Business Committee. Given that the aim of revision of the NHS operating framework, and the the Committee is to give Back Benchers control over story ran in the media all morning. I checked repeatedly non-Government business, would it not be inappropriate for a written ministerial statement; it did not appear. for members of the Government and Opposition Front- There was no copy of the announced changes until Bench Members to vote in the election tomorrow? 12.40 pm, more than three hours later. The statement deals with major changes in health policy, including the Mr Deputy Speaker (Mr Lindsay Hoyle): The hon. removal of guaranteed access to a general practitioner Lady makes an interesting point. The advice is that on and the guaranteed 18-week waiting time for hospital the one hand, there is no provision in the Standing treatment, and the lowering of the threshold of four-hour Orders barring any Member from taking part in the waits at accident and emergency. Should there not have proceedings; on the other hand, voting is not compulsory. been an oral statement to the House on these major I am sure that Members will listen to that advice. This is NHS policy changes, not a written statement issued ultimately a matter for individuals to decide for themselves, three hours late? rather than for the Chair to decide. Mr Deputy Speaker: That matter is now on the record. If the hon. Lady were to table an urgent question, I am The Parliamentary Secretary, Office of the Leader of sure it would be considered through the usual channels. the House of Commons (Mr David Heath): Further to that point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. It may be Chris Bryant (Rhondda) (Lab): Further to the helpful to the House to know that the business managers point of order made by the hon. Member for East on the part of the Government—my right hon. Friend Dunbartonshire (Jo Swinson), Mr Deputy Speaker. It is the Leader of the House, myself, the Chief Whip and surely right that the Backbench Business Committee the Deputy Chief Whips—will not take part in that should be elected predominantly by Back Benchers, not election. by Front Benchers. I fully understand and accept the point made by the Deputy Leader of the House that the Mr Deputy Speaker: I think the answer has been Leader of the House and the business managers will not made clear. It will be interesting reading for other hon. take part in that vote, but may we publish not how Members to take that advice on board. people vote, but whether they vote tomorrow, so that we can know whether Ministers vote? Vernon Coaker (Gedling) (Lab): On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. I received an answer today to a Mr Deputy Speaker: The hon. Gentleman rightly parliamentary question to the Treasury on the distributional makes his point, which I am sure will be taken on board impact of a 1% rise in VAT. The Treasury answered me and considered in due course, but it is not for the Chair by saying that it cannot provide that information. Is it to make that decision today. in order for me to ask for a Treasury Minister to come to the House urgently to explain what the distributional Mr Tom Watson (West Bromwich East) (Lab): On a impact of a 1% rise in VAT would be? Is it not extraordinary point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. Yesterday, the that, on the day before the Budget, the Treasury seems Chancellor announced on the BBC a major review of unable to give that information? public sector pensions, but today the Prime Minister was unable to confirm the terms of reference for that Mr Deputy Speaker: I am sure that, with his experience, investigation. Have you received representations from the hon. Gentleman knows that that is not a point of the Chancellor or the Secretary of State for Work and order for the Chair, but he has got it on the record, and Pensions to come to the House to tell us the terms of no doubt if he puts a message in to the Speaker tomorrow, the review, or would the Secretary of State for Defence it could be looked at in due course. like to enlighten us in the next debate?

Ed Balls (Morley and Outwood) (Lab/Co-op): On a Mr Deputy Speaker: Many points of order are being point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. May I welcome you made that are not a matter for the Chair. Once again, to the Chair? On the basis of my experience, there is no the matter has been put on the record. doubt that the Treasury has that information. The only question is why it is unwilling to bring it to the House. Dr Alan Whitehead (Southampton, Test) (Lab): On a On a different issue, may I seek your guidance on urgent point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. On 10 June, I asked questions? I asked the Education Secretary a particular the Minister for Housing a question concerning the question, which was whether private schools could reopen powers that Southampton city council has concerning as free schools and then pass on their school fees to be homes in multiple occupation, and in regulation. The paid for by the taxpayer, rather than by parents. Is there answer I received that those powers would be maintained any obligation on the Secretary of State to answer an has proved not to be true and to be seriously misleading. urgent question in the House, or will the Department Is it in order for you to ask the Minister to come to the follow the path of the Treasury and not answer the Chamber to give me an answer that is both true and not question even when it knows the answer? misleading? 51 Points of Order 21 JUNE 2010 52

Mr Deputy Speaker: The point has been well made Strategic Defence and Security Review and it is on the record. It is not for the Chair to decide, but I am sure that the usual channels will pick up that point. 4.47 pm The Secretary of State for Defence (Dr Liam Fox): I beg to move, That this House has considered the matter of the strategic defence and security review. On this sad day when the House has heard the news of the 300th member of the armed forces losing his life in Afghanistan, our thoughts and prayers are with his family and friends, as well as with all those other service families who are mourning their losses. It is also appropriate to remember the families of the victims of violence from 9/11 to the present day. We did not initiate this cycle of violence, but we will certainly confront it. I am pleased to open this debate on the Ministry of Defence contribution to the strategic defence and security review. All parties in the House committed themselves at the election to holding this review. The Green Paper from the previous Government, with its all-party approach, produced broad agreement on the need for fundamental reform, and I am sure that all Members will agree and reiterate that the defence of the nation should be above the worst excesses of partisan party politics. In this review, we will need to challenge many preconceptions and think clearly about what we as a country want and need from our armed forces, and what we can afford. I want to ensure that we benefit from the expertise in the wider defence community, including partners in industry, academia, non-governmental organisations and the charitable and voluntary sector. It is also essential that members of the House of Commons have a proper opportunity to make their views known on behalf of themselves and those whom we represent. In that light, Members submissions on the defence review should be made directly to me at the Ministry of Defence. Those in the other place with specialist interests will also be especially welcome to make submissions. Most importantly, the Prime Minister and I are determined that members of the armed forces and their families have an opportunity to contribute, and the service chiefs will set out shortly how that will be achieved. There has already been a lively debate about the choices that we face, and the MOD will continue to engage. Today, I shall set out the coalition Government’s broad approach to the defence review, an assessment of the financial backdrop, a description of the strategic environment and, finally, the way ahead. Conducting a defence review while fighting a war in Afghanistan is rather like trying to build a ship while still at sea. Afghanistan must remain our priority, and as part of the international coalition of 46 nations we must prevail. None the less, after 12 years without a defence review, when our armed forces have at times been overstretched, with some current equipment overused or out of date, with programmes from the cold war that are of less relevance today, and in our dreadful economic and financial circumstances, it is clear that change must come. The review will need to provide a step change, not salami-slicing. We will have to bring defence policy, plans, commitments and resources into balance, confront the harsh facts of the economic climate in which we operate and make a clean break from the military and political mindset of cold war politics. 53 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 54 Review Review Let me give the House just one example. In the past, Mr Watson: I shall be polite to the Secretary of State military might has been measured by conventional even after that comment, Mr Deputy Speaker. The capabilities, such as tanks, aircraft and ships that we can Secretary of State was always courteous to me during inspect and review; but technology is already moving on my short time as a junior Defence Minister, and I hope at such a rate that there are new domains of warfare, to return the courtesy over the next year or two. such as cyber and space, where we will require capabilities Will the right hon. Gentleman say whether the review in which the Government will have to invest but which will consider the international conventions used for the the public might not be able to see. We also see the engagement of advanced technology? I am thinking development of asymmetrical capabilities that serve to particularly of drone planes. Does he believe that such deny us the effectiveness of our conventional capabilities. planes are within international law when they are used It makes sense for any adversary to develop what are for the targeted extra-judicial killings of suspected terrorists? commonly referred to as area-denial or anti-access strategies in order to deny us the use of our conventional military Dr Fox: As the hon. Gentleman would expect, that capabilities without matching us tank for tank, ship for issue will not be part of our review, but it is part of the ship or jet for jet. We should not hope that our adversaries sort of discussions that we need to have with our allies do not do so; we should expect and plan that they will; about the wider issues in respect of the conduct of and it is vital that the review consider that point. warfare. I am sure that the Foreign Secretary and his colleagues, as well as Ministers and officials inside the Angus Robertson (Moray) (SNP): I congratulate the MOD, will want to take on those discussions. right hon. Gentleman on his new position. Ministry of Defence statistics show that since the previous strategic I thank the hon. Gentleman for what he said towards defence review there have been more than 10,000 defence the beginning of his intervention. He was always job losses in Scotland and an under-spend of more than extraordinarily courteous to the Opposition when he £5.6 billion. What consideration will be given in this was in government. We shall endeavour to act in the SDSR to ensure a fair and balanced defence footprint same way, and I am sure that he will bring us up if we throughout the nations and regions of the United fail to do so. Kingdom? Jeremy Corbyn (Islington North) (Lab): I thank the Dr Fox: The point of the review is to ensure that we Secretary of State for giving way and, like others, I have the proper defence for the United Kingdom. We congratulate him on his appointment. In his opening will have further things to say about the defence industrial remarks, he said something to the effect that he was strategy and how we will take that forward, not least going to do away with cold war thinking and look at because it represents high levels of employment in some problems of expenditure in that context. Britain’s economically less well-off parts of the United Kingdom, development of nuclear weapons was entirely a product and we will come to the House with those proposals in of the cold war. As I understand it, Britain’s possession the near future. of nuclear weapons and the Trident system will be ignored and not taken into account in the defence Chris Bryant (Rhondda) (Lab): I, too, welcome the review. Has there been any change of thinking on that? right hon. Gentleman to his new post. I could make a Some of us would be astonished if defence policy similar point about St Athan with regard to Wales and, could be reviewed without a review of nuclear weapons for that matter, more deprived areas of the country. as well. However, that is not the point that I want to make about St Athan, rather it is that, in the light of what the right Dr Fox: A few years ago, we had an extensive debate hon. Gentleman said about the changing nature of in the House of Commons on what we thought, as a warfare, technical training is far more important now Parliament, was the best way to take forward Britain’s than it was 30 or 40 years ago. Is it not absolutely vital nuclear deterrent. The Conservative party, in opposition that one of our highest priorities be to ensure that such at the time, agreed with the Labour Government’s position training is improved for all our troops? Does that not then, and our position has not changed. mean that we should support and he should support—this However, I say this to the hon. Gentleman. I said that is my submission—the St Athan defence training college? we would have to get rid of some of the cold war mindset. It would be very nice if nuclear weapons had Dr Fox: From experience, I would be extremely surprised disappeared with the cold war, but when I look at what if that were the end of the hon. Gentleman’s submission, is happening in North Korea and Iran, I see that we will and I look forward to an undoubtedly weighty document face the threat of nuclear proliferation in the future. landing on my desk. I understand his points, and training Nuclear weapons are not simply a by-product of the is absolutely vital, particularly given the increasing cold war. professionalism in the armed forces and the increasing complexity involved. None the less, he will understand Several hon. Members rose— that, while that project is being considered as part of the SDSR, it would be inappropriate for me to give him even a hint of our position on it, but if he makes a Dr Fox: I have given way a number of times and I personal submission, I shall certainly ensure that I read shall give way again. it—undoubtedly at length. I believe that at the beginning of this debate, it is vital and useful to go back to first principles and remind Mr Tom Watson (West Bromwich East) (Lab) rose— ourselves about the purpose of defence. It bears repeating that the first duty of a Government is to provide security Dr Fox: I give way to the Labour party election for our citizens. Although many arms of government godfather. are directed towards or contribute to that aim, the 55 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 56 Review Review [Dr Fox] Dr Fox: I have a degree of sympathy with what the right hon. and learned Gentleman says, but it is worth armed forces are central to the effort. Of course, our pointing out, at a time when the economy is going armed forces can do many things for the promotion of through a great deal of trouble, that the defence industry our national interest and to support Government policy provides 300,000 manufacturing jobs—jobs that actually more widely. But we must not lose sight of their primary make and sell things to the benefit of this country’s mission—to maintain the capability to apply military balance of payments. The defence industry contributes force, when needed, so that political decision makers a very high value to Britain’s exports, and it punches have the widest possible range of choices when making above its weight. It will be the aim of the Government strategic decisions. to increase Britain’s defence exports, partly as a way That has two aspects. First, our armed forces protect of securing British defence jobs in the longer term, our citizens and territory by deterring and containing because the more markets we have, the less the British threats, preventing possibilities from becoming actualities. defence industry is dependent on the British domestic The nuclear deterrent is, of course, fundamental to our economic cycle. ability to deter the most extreme threats to the United Kingdom. As I just said in response to the hon. Member John Woodcock (Barrow and Furness) (Lab/Co-op): for Islington North (Jeremy Corbyn), in 2007 the I agree with the Secretary of State about industrial Conservative party in opposition supported the decision capacity. Before he moves on from the deterrent, will he to renew the Trident system based on the analysis set clarify whether the value-for-money Trident review is out in the 2006 White Paper, and we remain committed solely considering the ballistic missile submarine system, to continuous at-sea deterrence. or are alternative systems being considered? As the coalition agreement has made clear, we are scrutinising the Trident renewal programme to ensure Dr Fox: There are a number of elements in the Trident that we get value for money, and my Liberal Democrat renewal programme, and we are looking for value for colleagues will continue to make the case for alternatives. money in each of them, and trying to see where we can, However, we underestimate the value of deterrence at if possible, get that capability for lesser cost. However, our peril and we do ourselves a disservice if we merely there is no question but that we will move ahead with a confine the concept to nuclear weapons. We know from continuous, minimum, credible at-sea nuclear deterrent historical experience that a declaration of peaceful intent for the United Kingdom. is not sufficient to dissuade aggressors and that a weakening of national defences can encourage them. All our forces, Dr Julian Lewis (New Forest East) (Con): Will my including conventional forces, have a powerful deterrent right hon. Friend give way? effect, which we should seek to maximise. Recently, we have not recognised that as much as we should have. I Dr Fox: I will in a moment. want the SDSR to change that—to take a fresh look at This brings me to the second aspect of the armed what we are doing to dissuade aggression and at how we forces’ primary mission. Defence is also there for when might do it better. everything goes wrong—when despite our best efforts, deterrence and containment have failed, diplomacy is Ms Gisela Stuart (Birmingham, Edgbaston) (Lab): I exhausted, and, as a last resort, the use of lethal force is happen to agree with the Secretary of State’s stance on required. No other arm of Government can deliver this nuclear weapons and Trident. Will he say a little more or is designed for this purpose. So our armed forces about the extent to which he regards Trident to be, as must be structured, first, to deter; and secondly, to well as a deterrent, part of our obligations as a permanent deliver the use of force in support of our national member of the Security Council—as one of the P5, at interest and to protect national security. We undertake the top table? this strategic defence and security review at a time when our armed forces are delivering on that primary mission Dr Fox: It is not an obligation, but I certainly think in Afghanistan. We must have strategic patience and that it adds credibility to our position as a member of resource that mission fully, but it would be a mistake to P5. As I have said, our position on nuclear weapons is base our future security on the assumption that future that in a dangerous world, when we are looking to 2050 wars will be like the current ones. That is why we must or beyond, we cannot play fast and loose with Britain’s maintain generic capability able to adapt to changing defences. We do not know what threats will emerge or threats. what will happen in terms of future proliferation, and I now give way to my hon. Friend the Member for we are simply not willing to take a gamble. New Forest East (Dr Lewis).

Sir Menzies Campbell (North East Fife) (LD): The Dr Lewis: My right hon. Friend must have read my Secretary of State began this passage of his speech by mind; perhaps that is not difficult to do. I congratulate talking about returning to first principles. That allows him on taking up his post; it is a pleasure to see him me to take up an issue that he dealt with a moment or there. two ago, which is this: in determining the structure of My right hon. Friend says that we cannot assume our armed forces, in determining the location of bases, that future wars will be like current counter-insurgency and in determining procurement decisions, must we not campaigns, yet some very senior figures in the Army are accept that the motivation has to be what is in the best asking us to make that very assumption. It cannot be interests of defence? If I may be excused for putting the safe for this country to plan on the basis that just matter pejoratively, we should not be using defence as because we are engaged in irregular warfare now, we do some kind of job creation scheme. not have to worry about state-against-state conflict in 57 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 58 Review Review future. Will he say, once and for all, that there is a As much as structural reform is required, however, I danger that we could one day find ourselves opposed by am equally determined that the armed forces be a modern, well-armed, industrialised state, and that we reconfigured to meet the needs of the evolving security have to be prepared for that terrible eventuality? environment and satisfy the expectations of this country. Although the SDSR is necessarily financially aware, it is Dr Fox: I would never be so presumptuous as to policy-based, and I wish to set that policy out to the believe that I could read the complexities and high House. intellectual level of my hon. Friend’s mind, but let us just say that having spent four years in opposition Mr Dai Havard (Merthyr Tydfil and Rhymney) (Lab): together, I have a fair idea of what he is likely to raise I apologise for interrupting now, because what the and when. He is absolutely correct, and I reiterate that Secretary of State has just said is hugely important, but it would be wrong, and fly in the face of everything that may I go back to what he said about the review of the we have learned from history, to believe that future wars deterrent? May we be clear that the financial review of will be predictable or like the ones in which we are the nuclear deterrent is due to take place before the currently engaged. We must maintain generic capability recess, that it is a one-off activity and that it will not be that is flexible, adaptable and able to deal with changing part of a continuing review at each of the various stages future threats of a sort that we cannot possibly predict of the programme that has been outlined, including with any certainty. the main gate stage? Will the Secretary of State clarify Mr Bob Ainsworth (Coventry North East) (Lab): I that point? am struggling to understand at the moment how the Secretary of State plans to deal with the issue of the Dr Fox: As part of the coalition agreement, we deterrent. I know what the coalition agreement said and agreed that we would have a value-for-money study to what the Liberal Democrats’ position is, and I have examine the costs of the programme and see where we heard him say various things, but will the value-for-money could achieve better value within it. That is the process study be part of the strategic defence review, has it that is now ongoing. started, and how and in what forum will his coalition The Foreign Secretary has set out the new Government’s partners be able to pursue their separate views on the distinctive British foreign policy, which has at its heart shape of the deterrent? the pursuit and defence of UK interests and a recognition Dr Fox: The value-for-money study on Trident has that our prosperity and security is bound up with that begun, as has the SDSR, and it will be concluded long of others. That will require the enhancement of diplomatic before the SDSR. I hope that it will be concluded before relations with key partners, using Britain’s unique network the summer recess. of friendships, bonds and alliances and working bilaterally as well as multilaterally. That does not mean that we I want to be as open as I can about the backdrop to must be able to do all things at all times. We will need to the SDSR. To take one aspect, the defence budget itself, be smarter about when and how we deploy power, the future programme is entirely unaffordable, especially which tasks we can undertake in alliance with others, if we try to do what we will need to do in future while and what capabilities we will need as a result. That must simultaneously doing everything in the way that we do be based on a hard-headed assessment of the current it today. The legacy that the new Government have security environment and the growing threats to peace inherited means that even if defence spending kept pace and stability. with inflation, we would face a deficit of many billions of pounds over the life of this Parliament and more We live in a period in which direct military threats to over the next decade. To make things worse, there are UK territory are low, but in which the wider risks to our additional systemic pressures on the defence budget interests and way of life are growing. Over the coming that exacerbate the situation, including the trend of pay decades, we could face weak or failing states creating increases above inflation. The previous Government’s new focal points for exportable Islamist terrorism that approach was too often characterised by delay-to-spend threatens our citizens and our allies, as we have seen in rather than invest-to-save. The decision to slow the rate Yemenand Somalia. We could also face a nuclear-capable of the Queen Elizabeth class carriers in 2009, for example, or nuclear-armed Iran destabilising Shi’a-Sunni and increased the overall costs by more than £600 million at Arab-Persian fault lines, as well as those with Israel and a stroke. the rest of the world. That could create an uncontrollable The bottom line is this: no matter how hard we bear cycle of nuclear proliferation and, at worst, the erosion down on the costs of administration and drive up of the post-Hiroshima taboo against nuclear use by efficiency, we cannot expect to bridge the gap by those both Governments and terrorists. Elsewhere, we could means alone. The problem is structural, so the response see the emergence of old or new regional powers and must be structural to put defence on a stable footing. the return of state-versus-state competition and The Ministry of Defence, as a Department of State, confrontation. More immediately, competition for energy must itself face wide-ranging reform. We intend to and other resources, including fresh water, could take reorganise the whole organisation into three pillars: on a military nature. first, strategy and policy; secondly, the armed forces; It is conceivable that we will negotiate the next half and thirdly, procurement and estates. We intend to century without confronting any of those risks—I certainly create a more efficient and leaner centre, in which hope so—but it is equally possible that the UK could everyone knows what they are responsible for and to face security policy decisions relating to any or all such whom they are accountable, with clear deadlines and risks during the course of the next Parliament. That is budgetary discipline. Major reform of our procurement the reality of the world in which we live, and we must practices will be accompanied by a number of industrial break away from the recent habit of planning for the consultations that I will shortly outline to Parliament. best-case scenario and then hoping the worst never 59 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 60 Review Review [Dr Fox] Having said that, let me tell the hon. Gentleman that we are acutely aware of the fact that it is unavoidable happens. Unlike what happened during the cold war, we that there will be insecurity during the period of the cannot be confident about how and how quickly such review. He asked about the speed. The last defence trends may evolve. I shall therefore conduct a thorough review, in 1998, was an 18-month process. We have stocktake of our contingency plans in the months ahead. brought the process forward partly because, to be frank, Of course, responding to such events would not be most of us in the House who take an interest in such for Britain alone. Britain’s relationship with the United issues have a clear idea of the sort of choices that will States will remain critical for our national security; it is need to be made, but also partly because we wanted to the UK’s most important and prized strategic relationship. minimise that period of insecurity for the defence industry and those who work in it.

Mark Lancaster (Milton Keynes North) (Con): Given Robert Flello (Stoke-on-Trent South) (Lab) rose— the contingencies that my right hon. Friend outlines, is it not important for us to have a strategic reserve? What rose— lessons can be learned from last year’s debacle, when the David Wright (Telford) (Lab) previous Government had to do a humiliating U-turn over cuts to the Territorial Army, to ensure that we do Mr Watson rose— not make such mistakes again in the coming defence review? Dr Fox: I am going to make a little progress, as I know that a large number of Members wish to speak in this debate. Dr Fox: It is very clear that we require civil contingency in the UK, and as part of the wider SDSR, we are NATO will remain our first instrument of choice for looking at the protection of the UK homeland. We responding to the collective security challenges that we cannot simply direct our armed forces at external threats face. In the past decade, NATO has moved outside its while ignoring internal threats. That must be a raised traditional geographic area, with European allies such priority, as it will be as part of the wider security review. as Germany deploying troops abroad in ways that would have been inconceivable a decade ago. Of course, NATO is not perfect, and we are keen to streamline command Michael Dugher (Barnsley East) (Lab): I welcome the structures and decision-making processes. We began Secretary of State and his team to their positions. When that process at the NATO ministerial meeting in Brussels in opposition, he was always steadfast and unwavering last week, making more progress than most of us expected. in his calls for a larger Army. Does he share my concern However, we must use every lever at our disposal—including and that of my constituents that the review ought not to the Commonwealth, the UN, the EU and other regional be used as a way of delivering major cuts to Army organisations—to protect our security in an uncertain, manning levels, which would be quite unwise and, indeed, unstable and unpredictable world. dangerous? We will look to step up cross-Government overseas engagement. Defence co-operation is an important Dr Fox: The defence review is not about predetermining component of that, particularly with nations who share the size or shape of the armed forces. In fact, the size or our interests and are prepared both to pay and to fight, shape of the armed forces will be determined by the such as France. We intend to ensure—and consequently review. I can comfort the hon. Gentleman by saying that fund—a defence diplomacy programme in the SDSR the service chiefs will each thoroughly defend their that can make an important contribution to our global service in the review, as one might expect. I would be influence. Clearly we need close consultation with our surprised—Opposition Front Benchers would be even allies on the SDSR. I had a good opportunity to engage more surprised—if that were not the case. in early exchanges at the recent NATO ministerial meeting, and I will follow up with detailed discussions with our Mr Ian Davidson (Glasgow South West) (Lab/Co-op): closest allies. In particular, I intend to visit Washington These are complex and difficult issues, and if they are to in the near future to take forward discussions already be approached thoroughly, they cannot be approached begun there. quickly. Does the Secretary of State intend to take any decisions that might pre-empt the results of the review? Nicholas Soames (Mid Sussex) (Con): I warmly welcome In particular, what are the implications for procurement what the Secretary of State has said about defence contracts that are running? Does he intend to take any diplomacy. Does he agree that, inevitably in an age of steps to halt, restrict or in any way constrain existing restraint, defence diplomacy is an extremely important procurement contracts? He might be able to think of and effective asset for this Government and something the one I have in mind. that this country has historically done well? Does he also agree that to pare back our work in defence diplomacy Dr Fox: On this occasion it is rather easier to be a at this time would be to cut off our nose to spite our mind-reader. I am well aware of the project to which the face? hon. Gentleman is referring. We thought about making an interim statement to Parliament just before the summer Dr Fox: I agree 100% with my hon. Friend. Not only recess about which programmes were likely to go ahead, is defence diplomacy effective; it is cost-effective. It but we decided that it might cause more instability than provides this country with great overseas influence at it was worth. We therefore intend to announce all the relatively little cost, compared with other elements of programmes that we believe give reality to the capabilities the defence budget. We are very foolish as a country if that we want when we reach the end of the review. we ever ignore the fact that joint exercising, training 61 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 62 Review Review and defence exports can achieve a great deal for this ensure that departmental priorities will be aligned country at a relatively low cost. In recent years there has with our conclusions. The first stage is the development been too much penny-pinching in certain areas, which of the new Government’s national security strategy, has had a disproportionately negative effect on this which will be wide-ranging and draw on the work of country’s influence, and a good deal too much short- all Departments concerned, including the Ministry of termism, when we need to be looking at what we do well Defence. and doing it more often. We must understand the environment in which we will protect and promote those interests, in particular Mr Julian Brazier (Canterbury) (Con) rose— the threats and risks. Under the auspices of the NSC, the MOD is playing a full role in work to establish a Dr Fox: I give way to my hon. Friend, and I apologise prioritised register of those risks that will be a key for keeping him waiting. element to the national security strategy. Decisions on the capabilities required will be based on this overarching Mr Brazier: I am most grateful to my right hon. strategy, but these decisions will need careful preparation. Friend, who has been making the most robust case possible for keeping a full range of military capabilities, I am determined to understand fully the operational despite the fact that we are engaged in an important and resource implications of the options. I have therefore operation. With his visit to Washington coming up, directed the Department to initiate a range of detailed does he agree that it would be truly extraordinary if we studies on specific capabilities and force structures. We alone continued to have 85% of our defence capability will begin to move to conclusions as our strategic posture in expensive regular manpower, when the mightiest and becomes clearer, and we can test our work against the richest country on earth has almost half its total defence agreed policy baseline to produce a synthesised force capability in volunteer reserves? structure and risk assessment. I would expect to see the emerging conclusions in August, and the House will Dr Fox: My mind-reading abilities seem to know no understand why I will not speculate on them today. bounds today—no doubt like those of my colleagues. I They will then be discussed in detail by the NSC. We pay a full tribute to the reserve forces of the United expect that the defence section of the SDSR will report Kingdom. They make a tremendous contribution to in the autumn, which will coincide with the outcome of our national security. If we ever fail to value them fully, the comprehensive spending review. we are making a profound mistake. I know that my hon. I am also determined that we fully understand—and, Friend would not expect me to go further, given that the where possible, mitigate—the risks we are taking and structure of our forces is an unavoidable part of the the assumptions we are making about future operations, review itself. Suffice it to say, I think it is very clear just from the partners we will work alongside to the tactics how wedded is most of this House, and not least the and adversaries we will confront. I have therefore directed Conservative party, to the well-being and existence of the vice-chief of the defence staff to lead a detailed our reserves. process of force testing, which will look at the effectiveness Let me sum up the Ministry of Defence’s approach to of possible future forces against a range of scenarios. I the strategic defence and security review. First, relevance: will receive updates in July and August to ensure that our posture and capabilities must be relevant to the emerging findings can be reflected in our strategic choices; world we now live in. This is our opportunity to dispense and a final report in September to ensure that I and the with much of the legacy of the cold war. Secondly, NSC can validate the decisions we are taking. realism: resources are tight for the country as a whole, There will undoubtedly be difficult decisions ahead. and defence is no exception. We cannot insure against We will have to confront some long-held assumptions. every imaginable risk, so we will need to decide which There will be competing priorities to assess, risks on risks we are willing to meet and which risks we are which we will have to make judgments, and budgets to willing to take. balance. It is inevitable that there will be the perception Thirdly, responsibility: as a nation, we have a duty to of winners and losers as we go through this process. give the brave and capable men and women of our I am determined, however, that defence as a whole will armed forces our full support in return for the selfless come out in a stronger position. The prize is a safer service and sacrifice they are prepared to make in our Britain, with secure interests and a sustainable defence name. We must ensure that they have what they need to programme able to address the needs of today and do what we ask of them, and that they and their prepared for tomorrow. As I said earlier, providing families are looked after properly during and after security for our citizens is the primary and overriding service. There has never been a formal document setting duty of Government. The SDSR must become a national, out precisely what this means, which is why, for the first not a party political, endeavour, and all in this House time, this Government will create a tri-service military must have the political resilience, strength, will and covenant. It will be the foundation of the new Government’s resolve to see us through. far-reaching strategy for, and obligations to, our servicemen and women, their families, and veterans. 5.25 pm The National Security Council and the SDSR will consider defence interests in the round, along with Mr Bob Ainsworth (Coventry North East) (Lab): I other security risks and interests, including terrorism, join the Secretary of State in offering my commiserations, cyber-security and civil emergencies. I have stressed thoughts and sympathies on the loss of the 300th member the need for the review to follow a logical sequence. We of our armed forces in Afghanistan. We must remember must begin with our foreign policy priorities, reflecting that each loss, whether or not it is one of the milestones our interests. The establishment of the National Security that attracts the media so much, is a tragedy for Council has allowed us to have a full debate and to the family and friends of the individual concerned. It 63 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 64 Review Review [Mr Bob Ainsworth] Eric Joyce (Falkirk) (Lab): I find it slightly puzzling to hear my right hon. Friend tell the Secretary of State ought also to serve as a reminder to Members of the for Defence to stay on message. Does he not think that unique commitment made by our armed forces on our what is going on is in fact more interesting than he behalf. suggests? There seems to be some ambivalence on the As others will obviously and understandably do the Conservative side about what we are doing in Afghanistan. opposite, we ought also to restate our support not only It is the Opposition, from my perspective at least, who for the members of our armed forces but for the mission seem to be more determined to pursue the strategy we that they are undertaking. When we visit our armed had before, and that might mean we are more closed-minded forces in Afghanistan, they expect, require and repeatedly than they are. tell us that they want support not only for them as individuals but for the work they are doing. They Mr Ainsworth: I am not certain of that. I would not believe in the mission in Afghanistan and that it is go as far as my hon. Friend. I have, however, seen achievable, and they expect support, from both sides of unfortunate headlines when, as a result of things that the House, while they are in theatre carrying out such were being said, the press were able to suggest that the dangerous work. I hope they will continue to receive Government were propagating some kind of exit strategy. such support. I do not believe that that is so. I believe that the Dr Andrew Murrison (South West Wiltshire) (Con): Government are pursuing the same strategy that we Now that the right hon. Gentleman is in opposition, pursued. I believe that they accept that we must stay in does he agree, on quiet reflection, that it is a pity that at Afghanistan until such time as the Afghan forces themselves times in the past few years the previous Government are able to defend their own country, and that they will were less than clear on the mission statement in not take any precipitate decision to reduce our force Afghanistan? They allowed themselves to be diverted so levels in that country before that happens. I certainly that, in the minds of many, it seemed that the purpose hope that that is the case. of being in Afghanistan was international development. However, the prime mission always has been, and must Dr Julian Lewis: I thank the shadow Secretary of be, the national interest of the United Kingdom. State for being so generous in giving way, but he must accept that it is not just a question of mixed messages in Mr Ainsworth: I am glad the hon. Gentleman has one part of the alliance, given that President Obama said that, as it gives me an opportunity to say that I do himself has suggested the possibility of a run-down of not agree. However, there were times when members of troops in Afghanistan as early as 18 months from now. the media, as well as some Members on his side of the If we are to come out with our strategic interests intact, House, made it difficult for us to get our message across. we must have new thinking about how best to protect The current Government will find that we as the Opposition them, and sending people out on uniformed patrols day will genuinely support the mission in Afghanistan, and after day to be shot at and blown up may not be the will not play fast and loose with that support. We will most intelligent way of doing that. not state in the House that we support it wholeheartedly, and then say things, without first checking them properly, that effectively undermine the confidence of the British Mr Ainsworth: I know the hon. Gentleman’s views. I public in the British Government’s ability to support their have heard him describe, both privately and publicly, his troops. If there have been mixed messages about position on Afghanistan and how we can pursue it. I Afghanistan, they have the potential to continue, and we have to tell him, however, that we are pursuing a counter- ought to join together to ensure that they are not effective. insurgency strategy in Afghanistan—that is agreed across the coalition—and while that is so, while there are I say to the Secretary of State for Defence that his people in theatre and while they are doing the very Government need to make sure that the messaging is difficult work that we have asked them to do, we must correct. We do not need the Secretary of State for give them support. International Development saying that development opportunities are central to our ability to succeed in During Labour’s years, big changes were made to the Afghanistan, while the Secretary of State for Defence structure of our armed forces’ capability. A great deal of appears to say something different. It is important that modernisation took place. There were big moves away we all say clearly what we are trying to achieve and how from cold war capability towards the modernised we are trying to achieve it. The mission in Afghanistan expeditionary capability that our armed forces have and, overwhelmingly, the way in which we have joined shown in recent years. I accept what the Secretary of up the mission in Helmand province, is the envy of State has said—that he wants to continue that move—and many nations operating in that theatre, and that ought I also accept that the threats have changed. We need to to be recognised. examine the emerging threats, and consider what role I can understand the temptation for a new Government, we need to play in the world. I hope and believe that I but they should not try to suggest that a new strategy is made a start on that during the Green Paper process, being pursued in Afghanistan. What our troops expect— about which the Secretary of State has used very kind and what I believe is the fact—is continuity between words. I hope he will be as open and engaging in the what the new Government are doing and what the methods he will use in relation to the strategic defence Labour Government were doing a month or so ago. We review as I tried to be with the Green Paper. were pursuing a coalition strategy laid out by General What the Secretary of State has effectively said to us, McChrystal last year, and the new Government are it seems, is that a process is under way and that he will doing that. There is no year zero; there is continuity in invite everyone to participate, but the way in which we what we are trying to do, and in the methods we are will participate is by having an opportunity to make using in order do it. submissions to him. I suggest to him that anyone and 65 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 66 Review Review everyone has always had that ability. If this means we Leicestershire (Mr Robathan), about the mental health cannot continue to write to him expressing our views, I of serving personnel? He was completely hopeless on think he will miss a real opportunity. He knows that “File on 4” yesterday, and seemed to contradict himself there are considerable financial pressures on both the three times on whether we would have screening of MOD budget and the public finances overall. I do not military personnel. He eventually had to endure the believe that, when he is faced with all those difficulties, humiliation of being interrupted by the MOD chief it is in his interests or those of a proper debate to do press officer because he was going off-script. anything other than continue to be open and give people an opportunity to share—[Interruption.] Well, Mr Ainsworth: I missed that programme—sadly, by if the Secretary of State did say that, I am wasting my the sound of it. My hon. Friend raises an important breath, but I am worried that what he said was, “We point when he says a review of armed forces pensions have a decision-making process, and if you want to has been announced. As I was in the Chamber at the make a submission, you are free to do so.” time, I know that he tried to get an answer on that from I would have thought that it was in the Secretary of the Prime Minister earlier today, and answer came there State’s interests, and those of the Government and the none. These are very important issues. Is the armed nation, that he share his emerging thinking with us. It forces pension scheme part of the general review? Are seems that he has even cancelled the interim assessment we going to have any wider discussion of welfare issues? or interim announcements that he was going to give. Mental health is a very important issue, but it seems When are we going to hear what his emerging thinking that Government Front Benchers have views that contradict is, because he has said very little about that today? We each other greatly. Some of them say we need to do are only six weeks away from the recess and the Government much more than the last Government did, and to introduce have set themselves a very tight time scale. Do they general screening for mental health; yet the Minister genuinely want to engage the nation, the Opposition, with responsibility for veterans, the hon. Member for academia, industry and everyone else who needs to be South Leicestershire, appears to be totally and utterly involved; or are they simply going to invite us to make opposed to screening for mental health—or did appear written submissions? to be, unless he said something else in the programme to which my hon. Friend the Member for West Bromwich Mark Lancaster: Last year when the right hon. East (Mr Watson) referred. Gentleman was Secretary of State for Defence, he effectively made policy on the hoof by announcing he was going to Mr Brazier: Will the right hon. Gentleman concede scrap the Territorial Army budget and thereby stop that before he arrived at the MOD, Labour carried out people like me training for six months. Given the mistakes a substantial review of armed forces pensions that did he made last year and the appalling way he carried out not affect any of the civilian part of the public sector, that review, does he not think this current process is but as a result of which people in the scheme for much better? subsequent years lost very significant sums in potential pension rights? Mr Ainsworth: With the greatest of respect to the hon. Gentleman, let me point out that we were dealing with in-year budgetary measures—yes, they proved very Mr Ainsworth: I know the hon. Gentleman is very controversial, and significant changes were made that interested in the welfare of the armed forces. All we are people subsequently came to welcome, even if they trying to do is solicit an answer. Everyone needs to could not find the ability to do so on the day—but that know whether the armed forces pension scheme is part is very different from dealing with a strategic defence of the review or not, but we cannot get an answer. We review, which is about the shape and framework of our need an answer and we certainly cannot wait until the armed forces for the years to come. I suggest to the hon. summer recess for one. Gentleman that it therefore ought to be tackled in a While I am talking about welfare issues, let me address different, more open way. There is lots of expertise and what the Secretary of State said about the non-existence interest on both sides of the House and outside this of a tri-service Government document. May I recommend place. The people who possess it want genuinely to to him the preamble in the Command Paper and suggest engage with this process, and I would have thought that, that he should consider seriously whether he can improve if the Secretary of State wants to fend off the purely on it? Will he continue with the commitments in that financial pressures, it would be in his own interests to paper and will he, as part of the strategic defence welcome that. review, look seriously at something that was in the Labour party manifesto—the introduction of a service Mr Watson: I feel the empathy between the two Front charter? Many members of our armed forces whom I Benches on the financial pressures at the MOD, and have met—I am sure that he will have had the same— I, too, am familiar with that. Does my right hon. Friend recognise some of the improvements that have been agree that emerging thinking should come early, at least made to many aspects of their service and support in in respect of the military covenant issues? I am thinking the past few years, but want them to be entrenched in in particular of the announced review of armed forces law. Is he prepared to make such a commitment? pensions. Can we have a reassurance that existing members The Secretary of State seems to have said that a of the scheme will not be affected? Does my right hon. process to examine the value for money of alternatives Friend think the Government Front-Bench team should to Trident has already started and will be all over before reassure us of that, at least, today? the summer. We are only five weeks away from that and On a slightly more controversial note, does my right from the future successor, but we have heard nothing hon. Friend think we should hear from the Under-Secretary about it from him or his coalition partners. If we hear of State for Defence, the hon. Member for South nothing at all on this before a final decision is taken, it 67 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 68 Review Review [Mr Ainsworth] explosive device teams. As we applied £150 million to the IED capability in Afghanistan a few months ago will only increase the cynicism that many of us had and that doubled the IED teams, I wonder how the new about the Liberal Democrats’ position in the first place— Government have managed to double them yet again that it was about them trailing their coats in the direction with only £67 million. We should not be spinning about of unilateralism without actually going there. They that; we ought to be clear. I hope we will hear some never had, as I think the right hon. and learned Member explanation when the Minister winds up about exactly for North East Fife (Sir Menzies Campbell) effectively what that £67 million has bought. Are they re-announcing exposed in his paper, a sensible alternative to Trident. Is the doubling that took place under the previous there going to be a process and will we be told anything Government, or have they managed by some means or about it, or is this just a way of getting a rather another to redouble an already doubled capability for embarrassing chapter in the coalition’s creation off the about half the cost? That really would be magic money agenda as quickly as possible? indeed. I understand as well as anyone the very difficult Secondly, I do not believe that the manner in which decisions with which the Secretary of State is confronted. the impending resignation of the Chief of the Defence I appreciate and totally agree that salami-slicing is not Staff was dealt with was in any way appropriate. To the way to go. I agree that a step change is probably suggest that he is in some way responsible, as it was put, needed and that some difficult decisions will therefore for past failures in Afghanistan or was too close to need to be taken. I am sure he regrets some of the Labour is quite a sad thing for anyone to have suggested. rhetoric that he used in opposition and some of the The existing Chief of the Defence Staff is a man who, promises he made, such as those about a bigger Army as far as I am aware, believes in democratic control. He and a bigger fleet. Now he is in government, he will therefore believes that Ministers ought to take decisions need not just to say those things but to deliver them. I and that commanders ought to give advice. If people hope he will do that in an open manner in which we can detract from that, they do themselves no favours whatsoever. all engage, and I think it would be in his interests to do so. Several hon. Members rose—

Bob Stewart (Beckenham) (Con): Did the shadow Mr Deputy Speaker (Mr Lindsay Hoyle): Order. Before Secretary of State ever consider whether the strategic we continue, may I tell hon. Members that Mr Speaker defence review might have taken place a few years ago? has imposed an eight-minute limit on all Back-Bench It seems to have taken a very long time to get to, and it speeches? might have been quite useful to have had it in 2004. Both parties have said that they would go ahead with it, but did he consider doing so much earlier? 5.48 pm Sir Menzies Campbell (North East Fife) (LD): The Mr Ainsworth: We carried out a strategic defence defence review inevitably involves, as we have heard this review in 1998; we updated it through the new chapter afternoon, the consideration of abstracts and concepts, and the White Paper. I became Secretary of State in the but the 300th death in Afghanistan is eloquent reality. late summer of 2009. We committed ourselves to a As the shadow Defence Secretary indicated a moment strategic defence review in exactly the same way as the ago, for every one of those people, 300 families are in Conservative party did. We would have been carrying mourning. We have a brief acknowledgement of the out a strategic defence review in exactly the same way as sacrifice, but for those families, the sacrifice goes on for the Government are. We would be confronting the same as long as they live. Particularly when we see the montages difficulties. We would try to be as open and inclusive as of the 300 people who have lost their lives, we must we possibly could. I genuinely believe that defence is think about the promise, discipline and service that have more than a simple party interest and that it ought to been cut down by the fact of their deaths. That is why expand beyond that. on these occasions we should think more than in a Mr Davidson: Surely, the Opposition spokesman would perfunctory way about what it costs to defend our agree that we would not have carried out the defence country and the sacrifice that, sometimes painfully, review in exactly the same way, since he and his colleagues must be made. were much more supportive of the aircraft carrier contract Iraq and Afghanistan have skewed our priorities, but than some of the Government are. more than anything else, they have breached the assumptions of the 1998 defence review. They have put Mr Ainsworth: I do not think we will get an answer an intolerable financial burden on the Ministry of Defence, on specific capabilities from the Defence Secretary—we and indeed on the Government’s Contingencies Fund. I have not got many answers from him at this stage—and spend a little time referring to Iraq and Afghanistan I suppose that that is understandable. I did not expect because neither the duration nor the intensity of either him to come to the House and be able to tell us today was anticipated by the 1998 defence review, which was what his conclusions will be. I am asking him—I think none the less regarded as a successful operation. Indeed, this is perfectly reasonable—to share his emerging thinking if I may pick up a point that the shadow Defence with the House and not to think that he can present a Secretary made, part of that success was due to the fait accompli at the end of the day, because that would degree to which there was consultation, and the degree make things a lot worse. to which people were invited in—not asked to make I want to raise two points of contention. First, the written submissions, but actually allowed to sit face to Government announced and the Prime Minister repeated face with John Reid and George Robertson, and to this in The Sunday Telegraph yesterday that £67 million argue the case with them. If that is not to be possible on has been applied to doubling the number of improvised this occasion, the Government will, in a sense, be restricting 69 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 70 Review Review themselves, and perhaps shutting off a degree of help, On this occasion, the question is: how much can the assistance and contribution that would enable the nation afford to pay? The blunt truth is that a large part conclusions of the defence review to be well founded. of the review will be an expenditure review, and not The principles of a defence review are easy to articulate. necessarily a defence review. One must establish the foreign policy objectives or I have some sympathy for the hon. Gentleman in his baseline; assess what military capability is necessary to argument about the carriers. The carriers are the answer enable one to achieve those objectives; and finally allocate to this question: should Britain have a global role? the resources. In 1998, the Government never published However, can Britain afford a global role? If I might their foreign policy baseline, but if they had, it would offer him a moment or two of advice, perhaps he will not have included the doctrine of humanitarian find that line of argument a little more compelling than intervention, because that came after 1998, in a speech his understandable determination to maintain jobs in made by Prime Minister Blair in Chicago. However well his constituency. founded and well regarded it is, it is an element of British policy, with military consequences, that was not Mrs Madeleine Moon (Bridgend) (Lab): Would the embraced by the 1998 review. right hon. and learned Gentleman not agree, though, The review envisaged one short-term, high-intensity that we also have international responsibilities that must conflict going on at the same time as a medium-term be met, including towards Britain’s overseas territories? operation such as peacekeeping, but in fact we had two With regard to the carriers, one overseas territory for hot wars being fought simultaneously, plus Sierra Leone—a which we still have a huge responsibility is the Falkland notable success of Prime Minister Blair’s, in my view, Islands. Given those far-flung territories, we must have and, of course, there was Kosovo, where, it has to be the defence capability to meet those responsibilities. acknowledged, he was responsible for holding the feet of the rather reluctant American President to the fire, Sir Menzies Campbell: It is all a question of flexibility thereby producing an outcome that all of us regarded as and adaptability; the hon. Lady will find that in the the best possible. Green Paper. Take, for example, Afghanistan. We enjoy In spite of the success attributed to the 1998 review, aerial supremacy there. There is no challenge in the air. there was a continuing argument about resources and, That has been enormously important in the provision in particular, helicopters. The reason that I point to that of close air support or interdiction, in the protection of is that we imagine that there is some kind of immaculate our forces, and, indeed, in allowing them to take part in conception of a defence review, but the truth is that it is the kind of operations in which they are now engaged, based on assumptions and judgments, and the unexpected but just imagine if there were not host nation support—if will almost certainly be part of the terrain that defence we did not have available airfields. The obvious platform has to cover in the next 20 or 25 years. from which to provide close air support and interdiction There is an element of rush about the review. When would, in that case, be a carrier, so carriers have enormous one considers the complexity of the issues at stake, utility in a variety of circumstances. That is one of the setting a time limit of a few months is unwise. I would reasons that I think that we should build the carriers; like the foreign policy baseline to be not only published, they provide the sort of flexibility and adaptability that but the subject of debate in this House, because it is on lie at the very heart of the Green Paper. In that sense, that baseline that subsequent decisions will rest. If there the hon. Member for Glasgow South West (Mr Davidson) is not unanimity, or at least general consensus, on the may find, much to his surprise, that I am rather more foreign policy baseline, what comes thereafter will sympathetic to him than he anticipated. undoubtedly be regarded by some as flawed. In the days of the cold war, we had the four-minute warning. Now we have an eight-minute warning, perhaps Angus Robertson: The right hon. and learned Gentleman almost to the same effect. The reason that I have such is generous to give way. Does he appreciate that it is not enthusiasm for the Green Paper is that the shadow simply carrying out the strategic defence review within Defence Secretary, then Secretary of State, invited the the time scale that is problematic, but the fact that the hon. Member for Mid Sussex (Nicholas Soames) and comprehensive spending review and the Ministry of me to be part of the group of people who considered its Defence’s planning round 11—PR11—are all happening terms. We are not responsible for everything in it, but I at exactly the same time? hope that we made a valuable, or at least valid, contribution to it. Page 32 talks about partnership, and asks Sir Menzies Campbell: Indeed. During earlier exchanges, “how we can strengthen European nations’ contribution to global the thought occurred to me that, if there were any security, including through more effectively aligning resources Treasury Ministers looking in on the debate, they certainly and priorities; how we can further improve cooperation between were not getting any encouragement about a willingness NATO and the EU” on the part of anyone in any part of the House to give and up any capability or programme, or any installation or “whether there is scope for increased role specialisation or capability- base that happened to be in their constituency. pooling within NATO and the EU in order to create a more coherent and capable output”. Mr Davidson: Will the right hon. and learned Gentleman It is partnerships of that nature that will enable us to give way? provide the all-round spectrum. No one here who I have heard so far has sought to argue that we should finish Sir Menzies Campbell: No, I will not, because I will with one particular capability. There is a determination deal with the hon. Gentleman in a moment. The central to maintain an all-round spectrum, but we cannot afford question is: what role do we want Britain to play, and that. The only way in which that will be done is with our how much, as a nation, are we prepared to pay for that? neighbours, and as part of a partnership. 71 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 72 Review Review [Sir Menzies Campbell] its place in the world, and our culture define us as a nation. For my part, I confess to feeling much more On Trident, let me say briefly that my views are well comfortable with an ability to bite potential invaders, as known. I do not see how one can have a value-for-money opposed to begging for forgiveness and pleading for assessment unless one considers what alternatives are mercy. available. In that sense, the review, which the coalition George Robertson, in the last defence review in 1998, document embraces and endorses, will be much wider said that the cold war had been than many people think. “replaced by a complex mixture of uncertainty and instability.” That certainly has not changed. The 1998 review was 5.59 pm radical, and it reflected a changing world. The reality is Mr David Crausby (Bolton North East) (Lab): I am that the Ministry of Defence has reformed, and made grateful, Mr Deputy Speaker, for the opportunity to considerable progress since 1998. Our forces are much speak in this important debate. better configured to meet the challenges of the 21st century. These are difficult economic times, with more problems Change was essential, and there is room for more, to to come, no doubt. The temptation to cut the defence enable us to meet and to defeat the new threats that we budget is inevitably high. If there are efficiency savings face, but such ambitions do not come cheap, and no to be made, we should make them, but they must be defence review is effective if it is used simply to save made in the back office, and not, in these circumstances, money. in any way that affects the front line. Government after Government have failed to provide the financial resources needed, which is simply unfair Robert Flello: Does my hon. Friend agree that something on our Army, our Navy and our Air Force, and it just that we should look at very carefully is the number of cannot go on. We are extremely fortunate that Britain’s top brass? Indeed, the suggestion has been made that armed services have dealt with a lack of resources in there are more admirals than there are vessels in the most ingenious ways—it is what we would expect—but surface fleet. make do and mend cannot last, and time to train, and to recover, is absolutely vital to maintaining the world-class Mr Crausby: It is important that we use our helicopters standards of our forces. I therefore urge the Conservative- for what we need to use them, and not use them to ferry Liberal coalition not to make the same mistakes as our top brass to other functions. previous Governments by under-resourcing and over- expecting. If we are not prepared to lay out the resources If we can make efficiency savings in the back office, I that will increase our forces’ size and complexity, we am in favour of doing so, but may I take the opportunity have a responsibility to downgrade our global role. to emphasise the fact that there is nothing more important than the defence of our people and the land in which we I do not think that we should do so, but we cannot live? To cut any further our already stretched resources have it both ways. As the 1998 review explained, we can will put our security and service personnel at even more decide not to have a significant military capability. risk. I do not accept that our forces are overstretched, What was true in 1998 is even more true today, and we but only because they demonstrate the absolute reverse must now add Iraq and Afghanistan to our commitments. through their ability to cope. However, they have certainly We must always be prepared to be able to defend been under immense pressure for too long, and that ourselves against threats that we do not expect. For simply must not continue. example, the discovery of oil around the Falkland Islands means that we must be ready to defend ourselves against I have consistently held the view that the defence increasing tensions in the south Atlantic. My genuine budget is too small. To cut it now would be unthinkable. fear is that coalition government is not exactly the ideal Education and health are vital, and it is right that they vehicle for the task in hand, especially a coalition as should be ring-fenced, but their importance will pale diverse as one including Conservatives and Liberals. into insignificance if our way of life is threatened by I really hope that I am wrong. terror or, even worse, if we find ourselves under the heel of a foreign power. The difficult question is, as always, An important question is the future of tranche 3 of estimating the level of the threat that we face, but we Eurofighter Typhoon. In the general election campaign, must always err on the side of caution and fear the the Liberals said that they would cancel tranche 3, and worst. The justification for defence expenditure should the Conservatives said that they would retain it—I be based primarily on necessity, rather than affordability. agree with the Conservatives. It would be interesting to In conjunction with the strategic defence review, we know what the coalition intends to do with Typhoon—and must look at our foreign policy commitments, because the industry is entitled to know sooner rather than later. we must decide what sort of country we want to be The prospects for our new aircraft carriers are another before we make up our mind on our strategic defence worry, and their acquisition is in the interest of those position. We could, for example, model ourselves on who will gain useful employment from their construction. Belgium, Switzerland or Scandinavia, and send the Much more importantly, they are vital to Britain’s message to the world that we do not intend to do independent defence capability. anyone any harm, in the vain hope that they will not We need two aircraft carriers, and we must have joint do us any. strike fighters to fly from them, and indeed the support Alternatively, we could growl fiercely at our would-be ships to defend them. The Treasury must be quaking in aggressors, declaring that if they give us a problem, we its boots, because all of that will be expensive, but will sink our sharp teeth into them. One thing is clear: I return to my earlier point: our defence capability must we would be unwise to flip between the two models. It is match our foreign policy expectations. If we are not sensible not to be too aggressive, but Britain’s history, willing to keep our forces up to speed, we should not 73 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 74 Review Review expect them continually to perform miracles without missiles help deter aggression by rogue states that threaten resources. In conclusion, the most important job for the to destabilise their regions. How else would we defend coalition is not just delivering an effective strategic the Falkland Islands today? The ability to deploy ground defence review, but paying for it. troops at a distance acts as a deterrence and also hugely increases our influence with our key allies, especially the United States. 6.8 pm Astute submarines can deter almost any other navy Mr Bernard Jenkin (Harwich and North Essex) (Con): from putting to sea against us. Flexible, deployable It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Bolton capability gives us broader deterrence effect, and that North East (Mr Crausby), with whom I served on the indefinable and indispensable quality, influence. Such Select Committee on Defence in the last Parliament. I capabilities take decades to create and will take decades always knew that he had a great speech in him that to re-create if we give them up now in the face of a would defend the strains in the Ministry of Defence. We one-off fiscal crisis. certainly heard it today, and I congratulate him on it. We all accept that in this Parliament debt reduction But what can we afford? Even if spending is maintained, must be the coalition’s main effort, but in this dangerous there will have to be substantial cuts in personnel and world, the UK needs to be able to protect itself from the equipment. Bernard Gray, the author of the excellent threats it may face, now and into the future. The possession MOD report on procurement last year, said that, if the of a flexible, deployable military capability remains an MOD budget is frozen, the Department will be unable indispensible component of any cost-effective defence to order any new equipment for the next 10 years. If and security strategy. As the Secretary of State told the defence is to come out stronger, as the Secretary of Royal United Services Institute last week, defence is as State said it must, following the review, it is very difficult much about deterrence as the actual use of force—and to see how spending can be cut—a point implicitly we heard that again today. The strategic defence and accepted by the protection of defence spending in the security review must be preoccupied not just with the current year. capabilities we deploy during this period of “hot peace”, The Prime Minister and the Foreign Secretary have as opposed to cold war, but with maintaining those both stated that they have no wish to oversee the decline capabilities that we hope never to use in anger. of the UK as a world power. The task facing the I have no fear of further scrutiny of the Trident Secretary of State is to ensure that his “policy-led, deterrent programme, first because Trident is the cheapest resource-informed” cross-Government review does not option available. Its costs are vastly overstated by its lead to the UK stumbling toward decline as a result. I opponents, amounting only to 0.5% of the defence have set out my own basis for the review in the form of a budget over its lifetime. No one knows how expensive memorandum which the Prime Minister might well the alternatives would be, but they would demand the have sent to the Cabinet Secretary in his first week of creation of a whole new weapons systems without the office—a memorandum which the Royal United Services input of allies. Does anyone expect this to be a cheaper Institute very kindly published on its website today. option than piggybacking on American technology? The defence review is about what sort of nation we Secondly, the development of an alternative weapons wish to be in, say, 2020, and it must also explain how we system would also put us in breach of the non-proliferation get there. Are we to become just another medium-sized treaty. What would the international community say European country, like Spain or Italy, or must we about that? Thirdly, Trident is the most effective system. recognise that our historical and geographic inheritance It is safe from first strike, unlike land-based missiles. It has presented us with a unique global role that we is supersonic, unlike cruise missiles, which would be should be prepared to shoulder? vulnerable to interception, and crucially, it is the least detectable. Robert Flello: I am thoroughly enjoying listening to I draw the attention of the House to something that the hon. Gentleman’s speech, which is well reasoned Baroness Williams wrote in The Guardian this morning, and considered. Has he considered—perhaps in his which she clearly fails to understand. She argues that by paper, which I have not had an opportunity to read having three Trident submarines instead of four, we yet—the position of our forces abroad, for example in would not only save, as she terms it, Germany? He may come to that in his speech. “several billion pounds a year”, which is questionable, but could maintain a Mr Jenkin: Those forces should certainly be part of “smaller but still effective deterrent” the review. It is difficult to imagine how we can hang on if we to a heavily armoured capability, give up those bases “keep Trident submarines in port, with at least one on alert status and provide for the expense of bases elsewhere. It is an able to sail in a developing crisis situation.” open question. I do not present solutions or capabilities The suggestion is that the UK should be forced to in the paper; I set out parameters for the discussion. deploy our nuclear deterrent in the face of the world’s As I have said in the House before, for British prosperity media in the midst of a full-blown international crisis. and security, the UK’s global role is not a lifestyle To plan for such a public escalation is strategically choice; it is an imperative. It is not merely an expression illiterate. of our aspirations. It defines who we are as a nation. We But Trident is simply one part of our deterrence. We have unique capabilities and advantages that other nations need the new smaller surface warships to deter drug do not possess, and it is in the interests of all free smuggling and piracy. We need more drones to protect nations, and it is our national responsibility, that we use ground forces on operations. Strike aircraft and cruise them for our mutual benefit. 75 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 76 Review Review [Mr Jenkin] that we face. How we equip ourselves to meet those risks and the implications for the UK defence industries, In the past, there was nothing inevitable about the for service personnel and their families and for the abolition of slavery, the defeat of fascism, or the facing taxpayer are all questions which the SDSR will have down of communism, and in the future there is nothing to answer. inevitable about the continued spread of democracy I accept that linking homeland security to the review and free trade, yet we depend upon democracy, free makes sense, but this will make the process a hefty task trade and the international rule of law utterly for our and clearly one that should not be rushed. Does the own prosperity and security. We must play our role in Secretary of State have any concerns about the capacity the world, simply because we can. That role reflects and of those undertaking the work to deliver an outcome reinforces our values and interests. within a realistic time scale, given the Government’s If we wish to step back from our global role, we must intention to cut as far and as fast as possible in all be frank about the likely consequences of such a move. Departments? We must ask which nation will take our role as America’s So what are the risks? Across the globe there are three most influential and enduring ally. Are we to encourage main areas from which threat could develop, areas the US to become unilateralist by disengagement? Who where pressures have already built, or are building, and would protect our shipping from Somalian pirates? could lead to the need for engagement—engagements in Who will invest in NATO if we choose to disinvest? which we as a nation could, or perhaps should, become Which other nation or nations would gain from our embroiled. We need a sensible assessment of the retreat? Would they promote freedom and democracy, international context in which the review takes place or their own agenda, not ours? and of the future character of emerging conflicts. Those The world is getting more dangerous and more fluid. risks involve climate change, globalisation and global We are in an age much more akin to the 19th century inequalities, and the sense of injustice that grows from than the relative stability of the cold war stand-off. In that. This SDSR will need to make an assessment of the today’s world overpopulation, competition for food and nature of the changes that will arise from climate change. resources, the risk of environmental catastrophe, mass There is an increased likelihood of mass migration as a migration, accelerating technological change, nuclear direct result of the scarcity of materials and natural proliferation, nationalism and extremism are all on the resources and the loss of habitable land. rise, and that is quite a list, aggravated further by the Globalisation presents different concerns, which could global recession. Is this the moment for us to substitute need a military solution. Competition for goods and soft power for hard power? Too often, advocates of soft markets will increase, and there is an inevitable increase power are those who have decided that they can take a in the use, internationally, of telecommunications and free ride on the hard power of others. cyberspace, and, therefore, the vulnerability of companies and countries to cyber attacks and the threat posed by The Conservatives in 1979 inherited an economic and serious organised crime, occasionally masquerading behind fiscal mess almost as bad as the one that we now face, an ideological or religious front. The continuing divide yet between 1979 and 1985 defence spending increased between rich and poor nations, and between the rich by 30% in real terms or by almost 0.9% of GDP. The and poor within nations, and between different societies national interest was put first, and it should be put first and groups, is also a flashpoint that might need a now. Defence spending in 2009-10 was £35.3 billion, military response from Britain, or indeed bring terrorist historically very low as a percentage of GDP. Other or other activity to our shores. programmes, such as social security, are several times The Development Concepts and Doctrine Centre’s larger. While spending will have to be restrained in the strategic trends programme sets out those risks in great long term, with a modest phased spending increase, detail, looks at the next 30 years and offers analysis on savings of perhaps £3 billion in procurement and overheads, the type of future military capability that might be and a moratorium on discretionary operations, we could required. We know that our armed forces have undertaken maintain a broad spectrum of capabilities and retain over 100 operations since the last strategic defence the UK’s global role. That would be outstanding value review. Those varied from major conflicts in Iraq, for money for this country and for the world, and would international operations in places such as Kosovo and a help to create a safer, more secure, and therefore more counter-insurgency operation in Afghanistan, through prosperous world for the next generation. to counter piracy work in the Indian ocean and drugs patrols in the Caribbean. 6.18 pm We have in the last decade moved beyond the cold war scenario and our capabilities have changed to match Alison Seabeck (Plymouth, Moor View) (Lab): It is a the new requirements. However, we have always to be pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Harwich and mindful of the risk of a sudden change to the demands North Essex (Mr Jenkin) who, as ever, was thoughtful being placed on our armed forces, including a new cold and knowledgeable. war, and this SDSR has to ensure that we are equipped I welcome the decision by the current Government to to meet all risks while ensuring that the UK maintains follow through, as recommended in the Gray report, on its place at the top table internationally. We do not want the Labour Government’s proposed strategic defence to be caught out, as Governments were in the past review, now the strategic defence and security review. following earlier defence reviews in which swingeing We have heard from right hon. and hon. Members cuts were the outcome, and find ourselves in a Falklands across the House of the importance of assessing our war scenario with inadequate equipment and a reduced forward requirements and cutting our cloth to ensure Navy, or, as at the time of the first Iraq war, with an that we do not leave our country, our armed services or Army that has been cut back. Both, incidentally, followed our people at risk from the range of potential threats Conservative Government strategic defence reviews. 77 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 78 Review Review I want an assurance that this Government will not abroad and support our trade routes. Therefore, I would cut for the sake of it, but that they will, as they seek to suggest closer working between Departments. But given ensure that we have a flexible and affordable capability, the Treasury’s strong involvement in the process, will listen very carefully to the advice being offered to them the Minister confirm whether the Treasury will be the from across the services and avoid being Army-centric. final arbiter rather than the MOD? Clearly, as a Plymouth MP, I would be expected to say that, but a number of the signals from Ministers, both before and since the election, have suggested an increased 6.26 pm role for the Army. However, the other two services, Mark Menzies (Fylde) (Con): The hon. Member for especially the Navy from my constituency perspective, Plymouth, Moor View (Alison Seabeck) made a light- are vital. Perhaps the Minister could confirm whether hearted reference to her second maiden speech, but I the settled view of the Government is that the Army is am proud to tell the House that this is my first maiden too small or needs enlarging. speech. If the House will indulge me for a few moments, I would argue that there is an ongoing requirement I would like to take this opportunity to pay tribute to for the capability to ensure that our merchant shipping my predecessor as a Member of Parliament for Fylde, is protected and sea lanes remain open. We cannot the right hon. Michael Jack. afford to be caught out with an undersized Navy were Michael was known to the House most recently as an another Falklands-type incident to arise, and we certainly incredibly capable MP who served as Chairman of the need to be able to move armed forces by sea and into the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee, and littoral environment quickly and safely on vessels that he was held in great esteem. But Michael also served can give hard support to troops on the ground. this country as a Minister both in the Ministry of I do believe that we have to have a nuclear submarine Agriculture, Fisheries and Food and in the Treasury. based deterrent, but I am unclear exactly how Trident More importantly for me, he served the people of Fylde and its platform—the successor to Vanguard—fits into with real class. When I look to someone as a model this SDSR. I did ask the Secretary of State this question Member of Parliament, Michael Jack is such a person. during our last exchange, when I gave my second maiden Without the glare of publicity, he just got on and did speech, but I did not, perhaps because the right hon. the job. With that in mind, I hope to be able to serve in Gentleman was thrown by the response of the House to his footsteps. Michael Jack was also a great defender of that comment when he made it, get a reply. What the Typhoon Eurofighter, which I hope to talk about specifically will the remit be for this proposed value-for- later in my speech. money review into Trident, and how would that process The Fylde constituency is the jewel of the north-west. be scrutinised? Given that Trident money was earmarked I am glad that it is you, Madam Deputy Speaker, not as Treasury spend originally, not MOD, what pressure one of the other Deputy Speakers, who is in the Chair, is the Secretary of State under from his Treasury colleagues, because they might disagree with that comment. I am let alone his Liberal Democrat friends, to bring Trident often asked by hon. Members where Fylde is, and forward and for these costs to be cut? whether it is next to Blackpool. It most certainly is not. The economic benefits to British industry and to its Blackpool is in the Fylde, not the other way around. work force of maintaining this programme, and indeed Fylde is famous for a great many things. It has world-class the Astute programme, which is so vital to the constituents golf courses and will soon host the world open golf of my hon. Friend the Member for Barrow and Furness championship. It has some of the cleanest beaches (John Woodcock), are significant. Babcock, which has anywhere in the United Kingdom and some of the its headquarters in Plymouth and which punches above finest agricultural land in the north-west. Lytham Green, its weight, as the Secretary of State mentioned earlier, is with its iconic windmill, which this year hosted the local not only involved in successor submarine contracts but proms, is an example of a fine green space which is has a major commitment to the carriers. The first sub attractive to tourists. blocks have already made their way from Appledore to My constituency does have its problems, however. Rosyth, on time and on budget. That is very much in The high street of Kirkham, a proud market town, like line with what Bernard Gray, in his report, wanted to many high streets throughout the country, has many see. My constituents are also benefiting from the work empty local shops. Councillor Elaine Silverwood runs a on the carriers as Babcock moves work down from local bookshop there, but she also makes ice cream and Rosyth to accommodate the expansion of the carrier has a tearoom. That spirit of entrepreneurialism gives build. The new ships should be a vital component in the me a lot of heart. It is not about sitting back and future fleet. When the Minister replies, will he explain complaining about how things are; it is about encouraging what the options are of not proceeding with one or both people in the constituency to go out there and make a of the carriers? difference, to take over empty shops and really start to The future surface fleet combatant, or the new Type 26 bring something new and different to the high street. class, was designed to replace the Type 22 and Type 23 I pay tribute to such people in my constituency. frigates. What scope is there for BAE to bring forward Fylde is also a beautiful constituency. Wrea Green is initial concept designs offering the full range of options, a stereotypical English village. As someone who was from the gold-plated option down to the workhorse born in Scotland, even I can fully appreciate it. Cricket frigate? We in Plymouth believe that the workhorse is played there in the summer, and one can hear the frigate would give us some opportunities not only to sound of leather on willow. Until recently, like many base port, but to continue to service. villages in my constituency and towns throughout the This SDSR has to balance the UK’s need to preserve country, Wrea Green was threatened by the Government’s its position internationally with the role that our armed regional spatial strategy. I thank the Secretary of State forces play in protecting our security at home and for Communities and Local Government for his swift 79 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 80 Review Review [Mark Menzies] Madam Deputy Speaker, it has been a privilege to make my maiden speech. Thank you very much. action in abolishing the targets set by that strategy, giving hope once again to people who cherish green 6.34 pm space. I also congratulate Blackpool football club. I would Angus Robertson (Moray) (SNP): It is an honour to not seek to claim credit for Blackpool’s elevation to the follow the hon. Member for Fylde (Mark Menzies), premier league, nor would I claim that the club is who, in the finest tradition of maiden speakers, was located in my constituency, but its training ground is, its gracious towards his predecessor and agile in the promotion very talented manager lives in my constituency, and of the beauty and attributes of his constituency and what is more, most of the players do, too—so if I am constituents. He may not be aware of this, but we have a going to take the glory for someone else’s hard work, shared interest: the Nimrod aircraft, which is based in this is the moment. my constituency at RAF Kinloss. No doubt he will develop a strong interest in Nimrod and in all the other Fylde is also incredibly fortunate to be served by two industries in his constituency. On the Nimrod link, and very good local newspapers, The Gazette, which is printed on this day, having heard about the 300th casualty in six days a week, and the Lytham St Annes Express, Afghanistan, I, too, pay tribute to all those brave servicemen which is a shining example of how a talented editor—Steve and women who have made all the ultimate sacrifice—while Singleton in this case—can do a lot in difficult times. not in any way losing sight of the pain and suffering of However, if the sun ever fails to shine in Fylde, one can their families, 14 of whom are related to service personnel always jet off to warmer climes, because Blackpool who died aboard Nimrod XV230, which was based at airport is very much based in my constituency. RAF Kinloss. Let me turn to the substantive issues in today’s debate. Fylde is neither a twee constituency nor simply the The strategic defence review is long overdue, and it beautiful rural jewel that I have described; there is much is correct for foreign policy, defence and security more to it than that. We make things in Fylde. It is the considerations to be the drivers of such an exercise. But, home of nuclear fuel, employing 2,000 people, and in a it is important that during the process we do not lose future debate I wish to expand on that point. It is home sight of achieving a balanced and fair defence footprint also to the military aircraft division of BAE Systems, throughout the nations and regions of the UK. I make employing more than 8,000 people directly. Indeed, it is an appeal to Ministers on the Treasury Bench on that not only the home of the Typhoon Eurofighter; Nimrod subject, because I shall return to it repeatedly. We final fit-outs and all the developmental work on unmanned cannot overlook or underplay the fact that the financial aerial vehicles takes place there. The Americans take the drivers behind this SDR are massive, and the consequences credit for many things, but one thing for which they of decisions will be significant for many parts of the cannot take credit is that technology.The United Kingdom UK. We know that, because the Royal United Services is the world leader in that technology, and it is developed Institute—RUSI—estimates a likely defence budget cut in my constituency. of between 10% and 15% over the next six years, and a On the defence review, I should like to make an 20% personnel cut over the same period. If that were appeal to the Minister. I know that budgets are tight applied in Scotland, it would result in 2,400 job losses. and many Members from all parts with interests in Many Members may not be aware that there are defence procurement are making pitches, but we need already fewer service personnel based in Scotland pro Typhoon tranche 3b for a number of reasons. We live in rata than there are in the defence forces of the Irish an unpredictable world, and, as my hon. Friend the Republic. If RUSI’s expected reduction is realised, Scotland Member for Harwich and North Essex (Mr Jenkin) will have fewer service personnel in real terms than the said, we cannot tell what the future holds, other than Irish Republic. That is not a surprise if we try to that it will be unpredictable. At times Government understand what has happened in recent years, but if we Front Benchers talk about export potential, and British do not do so the SDR will run away with itself, leaving Aerospace is working very hard in Saudi Arabia, Oman Scotland—and, incidentally, other parts of the UK—with and Japan to win exports. However, the aircraft’s cost such a denuded footprint that there will be very serious model is built on the premise of a future RAF order, consequences. and Ministers must be aware that if a future order is not Since the previous SDR, the number of defence jobs forthcoming the cost dynamics will change, and BAE in Scotland has gone down by about 10,000. That might not be competitive with the United States and includes 1,880 fewer service personnel, 4,600 fewer civilian France in export markets. personnel and 4,000 fewer jobs associated with the Finally, on that subject, I pay tribute to Unite. I may defence sector. All those numbers come from the Ministry be the only Conservative Member to do so, but there we of Defence. have an example of the trade union working with BAE management and the Government to deliver what is Thomas Docherty (Dunfermline and West Fife) (Lab): important: a quality product, products coming off the Does the hon. Gentleman share my surprise at the fact production line and everyone pulling in the same direction. that the Liberal Democrats do not seem to care about I really hope that Unite continues to work with the the closure of RAF Leuchars, which would have a current Government and with BAE to deliver that. devastating impact on the Fife and Tayside economy? Time is catching up, so I should quickly move away from BAE and mention my other defence interest, Angus Robertson: The hon. Gentleman is a new Fife Weeton army barracks. The soldiers based there have Member, and I welcome him to his place. He is very just returned from Afghanistan, having served this country alive to the risks in Fife, as I am to those in Moray and well, and I appeal to the Minister to ensure that we do others are to those in their constituencies. I am very nothing that puts Weeton’s strength in any doubt. surprised by the fact that the right hon. and learned 81 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 82 Review Review Member for North East Fife (Sir Menzies Campbell), such an understanding, the review will be severely denuded. who is not now in his place, did not seem to acknowledge We had only to open one of Scotland’s best selling that it would be important if there were cuts at RAF quality newspapers this weekend to learn that, apparently, Leuchars. areas slated for closure include RAF Kinloss, RAF This is not just about jobs, but about defence expenditure, Lossiemouth, 45 Commando, Fort George, the Queen and again, using MOD statistics, we can understand Victoria school at Dunblane and the 2nd Division at that under the previous Government there was a significant Craigiehall. There are concerns about procurement projects, defence underspend—the difference between Scotland’s including carriers on the Clyde and in Rosyth. population share and the amount of money that the At the start of this debate, I asked the Secretary of MOD spent in Scotland. That underspend ranged from State what consideration he would give to the concept £749 million in 2002-03 to £1.2 billion in 2007-08, of the defence footprint at the end of the review. He representing a 68% increase over the period. Between said—I paraphrase—“We will be considering these matters 2002 and 2008 the defence underspend in Scotland as part of the defence industrial strategy.” With the totalled a mammoth £5.6 billion, and the largest recorded greatest respect, this issue is much bigger than the underspend in one year was £1.2 billion, between 2007 defence industrial strategy. It is about the location of and 2008. Those things should be taken into consideration. bases and the companies that produce for the major I said in passing that this has impacted not only on contracts—about what is left open and what closes. Scotland, but on Wales and Northern Ireland in exactly I repeat that, of course, the driver in an SDSR must the same way. When Scotland had an underspend of always be defence and foreign policy considerations. £5.6 billion, the underspend in Wales was a staggering That is understood; everybody understands that. £6.7 billion, while in Northern Ireland it was £1.8 billion. Some might ask themselves whether cyclical factors are Mark Tami (Alyn and Deeside) (Lab): Will the hon. involved, and think that defence contracts have simply Gentleman give way? come and gone—but when we look at the numbers we see that that is not the case: there is currently a structural Angus Robertson: I am running out of time, and I underspend. want to conclude by saying this. Unless those issues are All that has happened over a period when there have considered at the MOD now, they will be lost as the been job losses across all three services the length and different services interplay and trade off the different breadth of Scotland. The list is long. At RAF Lossiemouth things that they will lose as part of the SDSR. Somebody in my constituency, one announcement revealed that needs to take charge and ask themselves what will come 340 service jobs were being terminated, and then there out of the situation and what will be left of the defence was another announcement that 700 service jobs were footprint around the UK. What will be the impact on being terminated. As has been mentioned, 160 service the nations and regions? If that does not happen, jobs were terminated at RAF Leuchars. At RAF Kinloss, I predict that there will be big losers and virtually no which is in my constituency, 180 service jobs were winners. terminated. 6.44 pm Gemma Doyle (West Dunbartonshire) (Lab/Co-op): Does the hon. Gentleman not accept that if he had his Eric Ollerenshaw (Lancaster and Fleetwood) (Con): way and there were an independent Scotland, there Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, for allowing me would be no UK defence jobs and no UK defence to make my maiden speech during this important debate. contracts in Scotland at all? Unfortunately, the previous maiden speech was made by my hon. Friend the Member for Fylde (Mark Menzies), Angus Robertson: Perhaps the hon. Lady will concede who set such a high standard. that if we spent our population share on defence, we I am proud to be a new MP and represent the new would have significantly more service personnel; more seat of Lancaster and Fleetwood. It was formed from would be spent on procurement and as part of the the old seats of Blackpool, North and Fleetwood and defence sector in Scotland than is spent now. I do not Lancaster and Wyre, and I pay tribute to my two know whether she was listening at the start when I said predecessors. For 13 years, Joan Humble was Member that the UK already has fewer service personnel pro of Parliament for Blackpool, North and Fleetwood rata in Scotland than the Irish Republic does. and she represented the town of Fleetwood to the best The hon. Lady obviously did not want to listen to the of her ability. I know that in this place she was well litany of further closures that took place under the respected on both sides of the divide for her work on Labour Government. HMS Gannet lost 245 service the Social Security Committee and for her chairmanship personnel and hundreds of jobs were lost on the Clyde; of all-party groups, including the all-party group on incidentally, there are fewer shipbuilding jobs on the childcare. Joan stood down before the last election, and Clyde now than when Labour came to power. RAF I am sure that we all wish her the best in whatever career Stornoway was closed, as was the mooring and support she develops. depot at Fairlie. The royal naval storage department in My other predecessor, my hon. Friend the Member Rosyth was closed, while RAF Machrihanish was passed for Wyre and Preston North (Mr Wallace), is still in the to Defence Estates. The Army depot at Forthside in House; he was selected for that new seat and elected Stirling was also closed, as was RAF Buchan. with 52% of the vote—a figure that I aspire to, given my The list goes on and on. I should like those on the current majority. I owe a great deal to him. He was a Treasury Bench to understand that the strategic defence friend, mentor and guide while I was a candidate and he and security review cannot take place without an has set me a high boundary to hit, given his campaigning understanding of what has happened to the defence for his constituency in the last Parliament. I particularly footprint across the United Kingdom. If there is not highlight his work in defending the people of Wyre 83 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 84 Review Review [Eric Ollerenshaw] commander of 207 Field Hospital (Volunteers), soon to go out to Afghanistan. I am sure that all hon. Members’ against plans to store gas under the River Wyre. I hope prayers, as well as mine, go with those people on their to join him in that campaign, alongside his constituents second tour of duty in that country. I was so pleased and mine. when, in response to questions from more eloquent Many people have commented on my constituency’s Members than me, the Secretary of State spoke about boundaries. I visit the constituency of my hon. Friend the importance of our reserves, what they contribute, the Member for Fylde frequently, because I have to and the mobility that they give to this country and to travel through three other constituencies to get to a the Army’s capability. They are a fantastic operation. third of my constituents. I do not know whether any As I am sure most Members understand, all our other Member faces such a situation. Fleetwood is a constituents are questioning our engagements abroad at town on a peninsula with the River Wyre on one side the moment. Certainly in my constituency—where people and the sea on the other—one of those seaside towns are, as they say, not backward in coming forward—the and fishing ports that have been so neglected in recent jury is still out on what is going on in Afghanistan. years. Its infrastructure has been neglected; its railway However, I will tell Members what they will not put up has no trains and its A road has only a single carriage. with and what they expect from this new Parliament: Its fishing fleet has almost been destroyed by the whatever future engagements the Government have for depredations of the common fisheries policy. What is our soldiers, whether regular or volunteer, never again left of it is now also threatened by the new plans for should they be sent out there without the best equipment offshore wind power. that this country can provide. At the centre of Fleetwood there is a whole community of family businesses. Perhaps the famous “Fisherman’s 6.51 pm Friend” is the most well known to Members; I am told that it sells 4,000 million lozenges per year, in more than John Woodcock (Barrow and Furness) (Lab/Co-op): 100 countries. [HON.MEMBERS: “Hear, hear!”] That I congratulate my neighbours, the hon. Members for makes for a damn lot of hot air, I would imagine. I Fylde (Mark Menzies) and for Lancaster and Fleetwood particularly compliment the family that runs the company; (Eric Ollerenshaw), on their excellent and persuasive Doreen Lofthouse, the head of the family, has contributed maiden speeches. That sentiment is all the more heartfelt, so much to the town of Fleetwood and sets an example given that probably more than half my constituents also of what businesses can do for their own areas. wish that they were fellow Lancastrians. A third of my constituency is rural and many Members, No function of Government is more important than particularly on the Government side, have understood the defence of their people and support for those who the neglect that such areas have suffered following 13 years put themselves in harm’s way. It is therefore absolutely of a Labour Government. Village shops and post offices right that in this review, the needs of country and of the have been lost, and there is a feeling that that Government front line must come first. Our manufacturing base is left them behind and forgot about them. Those areas critically important. I represent a constituency where have great hopes that the Conservative Government will 5,000 people are employed in Barrow shipyard alone—the rebalance that agenda. The rural area of my constituency foundation of the whole economy. There is a supply is a fantastic part of the world. It is bounded by the chain that reaches right across the UK, with the Trident Pennines and the sea. Bowland forest is a favourite spot; successor set to provide work for nearly 400 suppliers it has been well known in the country throughout stretching from Aberdeen to Portsmouth. Furness would history. In that rural area, however, villages in the be decimated if production were to cease. Yet I know upland areas still lack contact with broadband provision. that it is the contribution that employees in my constituency To reach Wray, one of those villages, and the hamlets make to their country’s security that gives them such beyond it, I have to drive through yet another constituency pride. They include workers at BAE’s Global Combat —that of my hon. Friend the Member for Morecambe Systems making the M777 howitzers for troops in and Lunesdale (David Morris). I think I can already Afghanistan, the likes of Oxley and Marl responding to claim some kind of record. I am perhaps the only urgent operational requirements such as infrared lighting Member who has to travel through four separate to support night driving in that difficult terrain, and constituencies to reach the various parts of his constituency. workers at BAE’s Submarine Solutions building the To top it all, there is the ancient city of Lancaster. It Astute class boats that will potentially, in future conflicts, is useful in a pub quiz, because most people assume that lessen the need for front-line troops to put themselves in it is a county town, but it is not. It is, however, an harm’s way. ancient town and city, with its fantastic university and My case is not that the strategic defence review castle. According to The Times, the university is one of should create defence priorities to sustain our prized the top 10 British universities. I proudly say that in the industrial base; rather, jobs and capacity within the UK few weeks before the election, Lancaster university had must be maintained precisely because they are essential its annual battle of the Roses with York university. It to keeping our nation safe. We must of course be more triumphed yet again, as Lancashire always does. efficient and make some very difficult choices, but retaining The other key issue in Lancaster is that we have a a unique industrial capacity will continue to give us a very large Territorial Army base. Across the north-west, military edge in key fields in responding quickly to the 3,400 volunteers—men and women—are in the TA, on next urgent operational requirement and producing top of the Royal Naval Reserve, the Royal Air Force subs whose maintenance is not reliant on offshore expertise, Volunteer Reserve and the Royal Marines Reserve. Since compromising our sovereignty and security. How we 2003, 1,700 of those volunteers have served in Afghanistan, create a capability through a new defence industrial Iraq and the Balkans. I wish to pay tribute here to the strategy is critically important, but so, of course, is what chairman of my association, Dr Robin Jackson, who is we create. 85 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 86 Review Review I want to devote the rest of my speech to the importance remain committed to a submarine-based deterrent, so of taking the right decisions on our independent nuclear let us consider the alternatives that fit those criteria. On deterrent. the option of refitting the Vanguard class submarines, we could do that, but relying on a relatively short and Mark Tami: Before my hon. Friend moves on to the very expensive life extension would mean taking a massive nuclear issue, does he agree that many countries have punt with our national security. often found that when they simply buy off the shelf It is also time to puncture the seductive myths around from the US, it is a bit like buying a car and finding that the second alternative: redesigning the Astute-class there are lots of blanks where all the important gizmos submarines so that they could carry nuclear warheads. should be, because the Americans keep them for themselves? There is a myth that this option would be cheaper, but it There are also lots of ongoing costs regarding servicing would not. It would not simply be a case of nailing an and the black box technology that the Americans keep existing warhead to an existing Tomahawk missile and for themselves. shoving it aboard one of the seven Astutes that are already slated to be built. We would need to construct John Woodcock: My hon. Friend is absolutely right. many more new warheads from scratch, at vast expense Very difficult decisions are involved in this review, but and possibly in contravention of our non-proliferation we must not overlook the advantage that home-grown, treaty obligations. We would need to procure a new home-made kit gives our armed forces out in the field of missile system, again at huge cost. We would need a combat. costly redesign of the sub, as one cannot just slot a Of course, as parliamentarians and as individual nuclear missile into a tube designed to fire a conventional human beings, our instinctive feeling towards the ultimate Tomahawk. Finally, we would need many more submarines weapons of mass destruction that the deterrent represents than we have at present. A fleet of conventional Astutes is one of deep hostility and revulsion. It is a responsibility would still be needed to guard the new ones—they on all of us to strive for a world free from nuclear could not just double up—and missile size constraints weapons. So for all the thousands of people who depend mean that it could well be necessary to build many more on it in my constituency, if abandoning the deterrent vessels than the four ballistic missile boats they would now would make the world safer from the threat of be replacing. nuclear holocaust, it would be my duty to embrace that. However, unilaterally scrapping or delaying the renewal This would not only cost UK taxpayers more but of Trident would make our country and the world less leave them significantly more vulnerable. The range of safe, not more so. Instead, it is vital that we secure cruise missiles is much lower than that of ballistic genuine progress on the multilateral non-proliferation missiles, and they can be much more easily stopped, so talks that are currently under way. While the threat the UK would be left with chilling nuclear weapons, but persists, as we know it will for the foreseeable future, it without the strategic deterrent capacity that ultimately would, as the hon. Member for Harwich and North makes the horror of nuclear war less likely. That is truly Essex (Mr Jenkin) argued well, be wrong to jeopardise an option that would deliver less for more. our country by stalling on renewal. I suggest that some who argue for a cheaper deterrent We must guard against the dangerous spread of woolly really mean that we should not have a deterrent at all. thinking on this issue. We must not repeat the costly They should just come out and say that. To those who mistake of the last Conservative Government, who left usually dislike American dominance but seem happy to too long a gap between completing the Vanguards and leave the US and the French with the responsibility of starting the Astutes; and we must resist opting for a protecting the world from nuclear war, I say, fine, but let platform that, while still capable of great evil and them make that clear too. It is wrong for our country’s destruction, is no longer an effective deterrent against a security and our ultimate aim of a nuclear-free world, hostile strike. Today, I am afraid, the Secretary of State and yes, it is wrong too for jobs in my constituency and again refused to say whether the new value-for-money across the country. However, a debate on those terms review of Trident is considering only the cost of a new would at least prevent us from wasting money chasing ballistic missile submarine platform, or alternatives to an unrealistic middle way at a time when there has never it. As the right hon. and learned Member for North been a more pressing need to ensure that every pound of East Fife (Sir Menzies Campbell) said, the surprise defence spending is invested wisely. decision last week to suspend work on the successor programme suggests that the review may be more significant 7pm than we had first thought, because the former approach— driving out unnecessary costs as a programme develops—is Dr Julian Lewis (New Forest East) (Con): It is a great what any Government should do all the time. The latter pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Barrow and approach, however—considering alternatives to the Furness (John Woodcock), and he will not be surprised successor—needlessly reopens a question settled in the to hear that I agree with almost every word—no, actually 2006 deterrent White Paper. Even if new Ministers end with every word—that he said about the nuclear deterrent. up reaching the same conclusion as the previous ones, I hope that that does not damn his political career for this could cause serious delays in a timetable which is eternity. He paid generous tribute to my hon. Friends already very tight, and ultimately spell a further gap in the Members for Fylde (Mark Menzies) and for Lancaster the order book that could again see skills lost and and Fleetwood (Eric Ollerenshaw) for their maiden thousands laid off. speeches, which I am happy to endorse. If the Government reach a different conclusion, however, Perhaps I can cheer the hon. Gentleman up a little by serious consequences would follow for the public finances, letting him into a secret. When my right hon. Friend the jobs and the security of the nation. As far as I can tell, Prime Minister was aspiring to the leadership of our the Secretary of State has said that the Government party, he held a series of interviews with his hon. 87 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 88 Review Review [Dr Julian Lewis] attacks of September 2001, which were not predicted by the world’s then only superpower. I therefore very much Friends, of whom I was one. When I went in, I asked welcome the Secretary of State’s acknowledgment that him only two questions. One need not concern us today, there is an unpredictability factor. We simply do not but the other was about his attitude to the nuclear know what enemies will arise, when, and what sort of deterrent, and I am delighted to say that he was extremely threat we will face. robust about it. If the hon. Gentleman and other hon. This argument has been had over and again throughout Members care to check the response of our current the history of defence, most notoriously between 1919 Prime Minister to the statement of former Prime Minister and 1932, when something called the 10-year rule was Tony Blair on the subject in December 2006, they will in operation. It was felt that we could cut forces, because see that it was once again extremely strong. That was we could always look ahead a decade and say, “Well, the only occasion when I was ever called in to have there doesn’t seem to be any threat facing us now.” It is anything to do with drafting a response to a Government impossible to know significantly in advance, if at all, statement. Our current Prime Minister made two alterations when we will next find ourselves at war. That means it is to what his speechwriter and I had drafted between us, a limiting factor when we say that a defence review must both of which were to toughen up his response, not to be foreign policy-led, or even defence policy-led. At the weaken it. Although our coalition partners may hope to end of the day, what we are doing in the strategic chip away at the edges on this matter, if I know the defence and security review is calculating the premium Prime Minister as well as I think I do, at least on this that we are prepared to pay on the insurance policy subject, they will undoubtedly be disappointed. against harm befalling this country. With a normal As hon. Members on both sides of the House will insurance policy, if we knew when an accident would undoubtedly be aware, in the mid-1920s, a glassy-eyed happen or when an injury would be inflicted, we could rabble-rouser called Adolf Hitler was incarcerated in probably take steps to avoid it and would not need to Landsberg prison, putting the finishing touches to “Mein spend money on the premium in the first place. However, Kampf”. At the same time as, sad to say, that man was we do not know, and that is why we have to spend the pre-determining future history unregarded in that cell, money. the chiefs of staff of the armed forces were trying to As I indicated in an earlier intervention, I am particularly decide what they would have to defend Britain against concerned about a frame of mind that is prevalent in in the future. So incapable were they of predicting the some quarters of the Army. That asserts that, because future, understandably, that each of the armed forces we are engaged in a counter-insurgency campaign now, prepared its hypothetical contingency plans against an anybody who says that in 20 or 30 years, or even longer, entirely different potential enemy. we might need modern aircraft to defend our airspace, The Royal Navy—understandably, because Japan had modern naval vessels to defend our waters and lines of a large navy—felt that we should prepare against possible communication or even modern military vehicles to Japanese aggression in the far east. The Army— enable our Army to fight—hopefully alongside others—a understandably, because Russia had a large army—felt foreign aggressor that not just had irregular or guerrilla that we should prepare against possible Russian aggression forces but was possibly a hostile state, is living in the somewhere in the area of the Indian subcontinent. The past or still thinking in cold war terms. I think like that, Royal Air Force was a little bit stuck, but eventually but I am not still thinking in cold war terms. I am came up with an idea. Because the French had a rather thinking of the wars that we might have to face two or large air force, it decided that we should prepare against three decades hence, not just the conflicts in which we a possible war with the French. Not one of the three are engaged today. wise men heading the three services, which had eventually A few years ago, I heard a senior military officer say done so well in the final stages of the great war, predicted that a tipping point might come when we had to choose that the real enemy that would face us, only 15 years between fighting the conflicts in which we were currently later or less, would be a revived Germany led by that engaged and fighting a war at some time in the future. man scribbling away in a cell in Landsberg prison. In other words, he was trying to contrast the small expectation of a big war in the future with the big Mark Tami: I agree with the hon. Gentleman, and we expectation of a small war that we might have to fight do not need to go that far back. When I was growing up sooner. I said at the time that I felt that to be a false in the 1970s—I know it does not seem possible, but I am choice, but if I had to make the choice, I would rather genuinely that old—we were facing what we were sure insure against the danger of a big war in the future than was the actual threat, which was the Soviet Union that of a small war closer to hand. pouring across the plains of Germany, massed tank Mr Jenkin: My hon. Friend is making an excellent battles and the use of tactical nuclear weapons, and speech. To reinforce his point, I add that the small wars then no doubt some form of nuclear holocaust engulfing that we have fought recently have had more characteristics the world. Nobody mentioned North Korea or Iran—they of state-on-state warfare than many people would care were not even on the radar. It is clearly difficult to guess to admit. Serbia fought like a state, as did the Taliban, what the future holds. and Saddam Hussein certainly fought like a state twice. The idea that we should give up state-on-state warfare Dr Lewis: I am delighted that I gave way to the hon. capability is absolute madness. Gentleman, who is absolutely right. I could add to the examples that he gave the Yom Kippur war, which was Dr Lewis: I entirely agree with my hon. Friend that not predicted by hypersensitive Israel, the Falklands that is absolute madness. I shall not name the senior war, which was not predicted by us, the invasion of Army officer who first proposed that thesis—all I will Kuwait, which was not predicted by anybody, and the say is that he has become a very senior Army officer, 89 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 90 Review Review and some say that he might even become an extremely The British public have the luxury of living their lives senior Army officer—but leave it to people’s reading of mostly ignoring the dedication and hard work carried the runes. out in their name by our vast defence and homeland The reality is that in those conflicts that we fought, security services, because the services do their jobs well our high-end, precision materiel, our modern techniques, and effectively. Defence Ministers are on the Front and our use of aircraft, naval vessels and mechanised Bench today, but all Departments have a defence and warfare equipment, have been essential in getting us security role to play. We have talked a lot about the into theatre. The country has been disturbed and worried Ministry of Defence and the Foreign and Commonwealth not by the casualties we have taken going into a theatre Office, but the Home Office and the Department for and displacing a hostile Government, but the casualties International Development are also key players; there we take in day-by-day attrition that result from our are huge implications for the Department of Health, persisting with methods that make it inevitable that our the Department for Work and Pensions, the Department opponents can inflict them. I say this to shadow Ministers: for Business, Innovation and Skills; and, as access to it is not unpatriotic to question the strategy that is being water and food, and energy and climate change, rise up followed in Afghanistan. Strategies can be improved. In the political, military and defence agenda, the Department previous wars, we have used strategies that failed over of Energy and Climate Change and the Department for and again. Eventually, when they were changed, the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs have increasingly outcomes improved. That can happen in Afghanistan. important roles. I understand that resources are scarce and that each We need to look at the lessons that have been learned of the armed forces will want to make a case that suits and examine what changes are needed, what challenges its book best, and to claim most of those scarce resources, are to be faced and what costs are to be borne. Terrorism, but we must have balanced forces, and I am delighted extremism and fundamentalism are not new challenges that the Secretary of State indicates that we will. to Britain—they litter our history—but one new challenge is the global communications world, as that is how 7.12 pm recruitment for our enemies can be increased. Mrs Madeleine Moon (Bridgend) (Lab): It is with Disillusionment among our public will grow from some trepidation that I follow the hon. Member for our failures. In recent years, we have seen the failure of New Forest East (Dr Lewis), who, as always, spoke with the western economic model, human rights abuses and erudition, energy and great humour. He left us with a corruption damage the image of western democracies, tantalising question: what was the other question asked and how actions in Gaza, even against evil such as those years ago by the Prime Minister? No doubt many Hamas, have turned public opinion against democracies. of us will ply him with alcohol later to try to find out. I was pleased that the Saville report into the events of Bloody Sunday demonstrated that there is no hiding This morning, I was in Bridgend with my hon. Friend place when such mistakes are made. the Member for Ogmore (Huw Irranca-Davies), raising a flag to honour servicemen and women ahead of this One issue that has not been addressed in the debate, year’s armed forces day on Saturday. In Bridgend, the but which must be addressed as part of the defence and links that bind ordinary families to the military are security review, is the use of private military companies long-lasting. Many have the military woven into the in combat zones. The use of such companies has fabric of their daily lives—it is not always on show, but proliferated. Many private sector companies are it is strong and enduring. The strength of those links is indispensable to front-line troops, providing repair and a challenge, because the public now demand a new maintenance for essential equipment, logistic support, legitimacy for our actions: they demand an understanding supply lines and provisions, but there is growing concern of the actions that place our armed forces in harm’s about the use of military security companies in combat way. Setbacks, mistakes, failures, and civilian or military and combat support roles in the absence of strict licensing casualties, can all diminish military and public acceptance and regulation regimes. DFID staff have told me that of, and support for, intervention. they were even prevented from going forward to do their jobs not by our military commanders on the As has been said, the defence and security of the ground, but by the diktats of private security companies. realm is the primary responsibility of the state, the That cannot be allowed to happen, and those companies Government and the House. Without the capacity to must form an important part of the review. defend ourselves and secure the lives and prosperity of citizens, we face instability, insecurity and ruin. War is Setting values and ethics is complex at times of state- the final option in our defence and homeland security on-state warfare, but that threat has diminished. Coalition armoury, and Governments must go to greater lengths partnerships have new challenges in setting up new to secure that legitimacy, and the public’s engagement values and ethics as we work together and use new and understanding, before taking it. That is why debates weapons that pose increasingly high risks to civilian in the House are so important, and why they must populations. Although the Grey report revealed that address what we seek to defend and why; against what the UK has better procurement than most comparable risks and dangers we seek to defend ourselves; what military nations, it still demonstrated that our process defence forces we need and have available; what equipment, results in us procuring worse boys-let-loose-in-a-toy-store skills and training our defence forces need; how those lethal weapons than I ever thought imaginable. Procurement forces will be deployed and managed; and, importantly, must be addressed and tackled. how our forces and their families will be cared for We have new challenges and risks and a change in the during service and in their lives after service, which balance of power in the world. The impact of the rise of might well be blighted by their service. We carry a new economies—China, India and Brazil—and the demise huge responsibility for that, and the review must firmly of American, western hegemony, and our political, address it. economic and ideological dominance, will impact on 91 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 92 Review Review [Mrs Madeleine Moon] Mayflower steps to establish America’s second settlement. In 1690, the first dockyard was built on the River our defence and security. I hope to be a member of the Tamar at Devonport. Plymouth as a city also has a Defence Committee in future, to look at how the review number of major assets. It has a university with a plays out, and to challenge some of the decisions that distinguished reputation for marine science research; are made in our name and the leaders who make them. wonderful, diverse architecture; some of Britain’s finest— and liveliest—students; a dramatic waterfront; the excellent Theatre Royal; the remarkable Peninsula college of 7.20 pm medicine and dentistry; and, of course, an historic Oliver Colvile (Plymouth, Sutton and Devonport) dockyard and naval base. (Con): May I first congratulate you, Madam Deputy However, Plymouth has also paid a high price in Speaker, on assuming your role as a Deputy Speaker defending our country. It was badly bombed during the and, secondly, thank you for giving me the opportunity blitz, and it also provided a series of ships and servicemen to speak in this debate on the strategic defence and to win back the Falklands in 1982, and, just recently, security review? I am grateful, because it is an important 29 Commando—including my hon. Friend the Member debate for my Plymouth, Sutton and Devonport for Filton and Bradley Stoke (Jack Lopresti)—to serve constituents. out in Afghanistan, as well as the Royal Marines, who I came into politics as a Conservative party agent. have played a significant role in defending our country For 10 years I was Angela Rumbold’s agent, who I am while based in Afghanistan and Iraq. I am very aware very sad to say died on Saturday evening. I am very that the sacrifices that they ended up making have left a sorry about that, because she was an incredibly good lot of families bereft of their relatives, with all the friend and I am grateful for all the advice that she gave heartache and sadness that goes with that. me—I am thinking about the speech that I am making Despite that, there is a sense that Plymouth has been now as well. May I also thank my right hon. and hon. slightly left out, being at the far end of the peninsula, Friends on the Front Bench for all the help and support especially when people have seen the frigates and their that they have given me over the years? When the families being moved to Portsmouth and the submarines Secretary of State was formerly the shadow Defence moved up to Faslane. The city was surprised—and, I Secretary, he used to come down to Plymouth quite a think, rather hurt—that it was not included as a location bit, as he did when he was the party chairman, so I am for the national veterans weekend in 2009. However, afraid that he has had to get rather used to me asking I very much hope that those on my Front Bench might him for things on a regular basis. It is also an enormous be willing to take that point on board when the position privilege to follow my hon. Friend the Member for New is reviewed in 2012. Forest East (Dr Lewis) and the hon. Member for Bridgend The big issue that I feel is going to be important in (Mrs Moon), who both raised a number of issues that this debate on the strategic defence and security review I hope to pick up. is that of combat stress and the facilities that we need, Making one’s maiden speech is an incredibly daunting including in Plymouth. I realise that a number of colleagues experience, but from my point of view it is made even have spoken about this issue, but I very much hope that more daunting by the fact that I am following Nancy my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State takes on Astor, Janet Fookes, Michael Foot, Dr David Owen, board the ticking time bomb that is lurking in Plymouth Alan Clark and Joan Vickers, with my hon. Friend the as well. Coming from a service family whose father Member for South West Devon (Mr Streeter) and the entered the Navy at the age of 14, I was brought up with hon. Member for Plymouth, Moor View (Alison Seabeck) an understanding of some of the mental health issues both representing parts of the predecessor of my that went with his colleagues and friends. Recently, the constituency. Then there is my immediate predecessor, Royal British Legion made it clear to me that it can take Mrs Linda Gilroy, whose energetic social justice up to 14 and a half years for issues to do with combat campaigning on the issue of fairer water bills for more stress to become apparent. deprived communities in the south-west was incredibly Plymouth has a serious drug and alcohol problem. important. Indeed, we had an Adjournment debate on Unless we take action now, I am afraid that we will be that last week. Her work on the Select Committee on putting greater pressure on our health service, police, Defence also ensured that nobody was unaware of the prisons and housing, so I would say that this is a case of role that Plymouth has played in the defence of our “Action stations now”. If I do nothing else in my time in nation. this House but raise the issue of mental health and In the course of the past month or so, many of my combat stress, I feel that I will have made as significant hon. Friends have commented to me about my fighting a contribution as those other Members, including the Plymouth, Sutton and Devonport seat and its Dame Joan Vickers, who was a pre-eminent Member of predecessor three times. Let me remind them that it was Parliament. Sir Francis Drake, who entered this House in 1581, who had to finish his game of bowls before he was able to go 7.27 pm and beat the Spanish armada, clearly demonstrating that patience and commitment are important in Plymouth. Mr Dai Havard (Merthyr Tydfil and Rhymney) (Lab): From Plymouth’s magnificent natural harbour, some It is a pleasure to serve under your weather eye, Madam of our leaders have gone out to explore the world and Deputy Speaker—a new dawn, if not a red dawn. show us what was going on. They include Sir Francis Anyway, let me turn to the question at hand, which Drake, Raleigh, Hawkins, Sir Francis Chichester and, concerns the strategic defence and security review. I do of course, Scott, whose anniversary it will be in two not want to deal with some of the things that ought to years’ time. In 1620, the Pilgrim Fathers left from the be in the review; I would like to return to the discussion 93 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 94 Review Review about how we are going to conduct it. It seems to me I quoted refers to a review conducted “alongside”; it that we are talking about a collection of reviews. There does not say that the parties commit to “having a review has been much talk about, for example, the discussions of the nuclear deterrent by July” and it does not actually that we have had in the past about the strategic nuclear say that they commit to “determining the whole of the deterrent and other things. As far as the strategic nuclear strategic defence review before the comprehensive spending deterrent and the last discussion that we had on it are review”, but that seems to be precisely what is said in concerned, I can say as a member of the Defence the agreement. I am most confused about what the Committee at the time—there are other members in the exact sequence of all these events will be, because if Chamber today—that we had to fight to have that proper scrutiny is not allowed for, there will be a democratic discussion in the first place. We produced three reports—in deficit. After all, legislative change could be required. order to do what? To inform a discussion; so there must One would have thought that it was a good idea to have be scrutiny. pre-legislative scrutiny—we agreed that in the past, but We have heard about scrutiny of the current nuclear now it has apparently been forgotten. One would have deterrent review. As I understood it—there are people thought that it was a good idea for the various Select here who can correct me on this—the coalition document Committees to be involved. That was supposed to happen says that it has been agreed, quite rightly, that in the new Parliament. “the renewal of Trident should be scrutinised to ensure value for This was supposed to be the new dawn, if I may use money.” the pun again, whereby Parliament, and not just the I thought that that would mean scrutiny of the process Front-Bench team, would have an important role in as it went along, but it appears today that it means a the process. [Interruption.] I am asked, “Where are the one-off shot. I am sure that there are Liberal Democrat speakers?”A good question. I have been in this Parliament Members who will be somewhat surprised, as I was, for a number of years and taken a strong interest in that this scrutiny will not form part of an ongoing defence, yet there are some defence debates that I have process of deciding where we are. I thought that the not bothered to attend. Let me explain why—because debate about whether we should have a strategic defence I was not going to sit here for six hours to get three review was a debate about possibly having one at the minutes to speak. We debated the whole matter of the start of every Parliament. Over the past 10 years, we replacement of the nuclear deterrent in six hours, and have effectively been having a series of strategic defence two hours of that were taken up with a ping-pong reviews, but in an ad hoc and piecemeal way, without Punch and Judy show at the front. Back Benchers who taking a strategic approach. had an interest in the matter were not allowed to speak In “On War”, Clausewitz said that strategy is more because the great and the good came in for that debate like an art than anything else. What is the art? It is the and they were given priority in the pecking order. What art of timing. Knowing what to do and how to do it can we need to do is to look at the process: it is not just be the science; knowing when to do it is the question, process in the Ministry of Defence that needs looking and that is what we should address. In doing that, we at, but the processes here. We need to scrutinise them, also have to open the process up to some form of and having the McKinsey book of boys consultancy, or scrutiny.We are talking about a strategic review, apparently whatever, applied in the MOD is not going to hack that. of both security and defence, and it was the Secretary of Well, the Foreign Secretary was trained by that book, so State who talked about the MOD’s contribution to that presumably he can make a contribution to it all, but discussion. That assumes that we will therefore have a that is not going to be important for the public’s Foreign Office contribution and a Home Office contribution understanding. as well, with all the different elements coming together. If we are truly committed to taking people with us I hope so, and I hope someone is going to explain to me when it comes to a serious set of choices, we have to the sequence of events by which we can scrutinise not address the public, and we have to provide them with only the strategic nuclear deterrent, but all the elements information—ground truth, that is what we need here. that make up what counts as strategic or otherwise. This is not a party issue. It is about information, reality and understanding. The Government are effectively Alison Seabeck: My hon. Friend is making entirely claiming that, at last, we have an integrated and coherent appropriate points, but does he share my concern about process that deals with the issues and lays out the the time scale and the fact that the SDSR and the involvement of all the different Departments—but they comprehensive spending review seem to be on top of should do it, not just claim it. From what I have heard each other? Which will take priority—the MOD or the today and from how I see the sequencing of events, they Treasury? will not, in fact, be doing that. It will still be a case, as mentioned earlier, of working in silos, with each individual Mr Havard: I could give my answer, but it is not mine service doing its bit. The rubber heels at the MOD will that is important, is it? What is important is the question, do their bit, and everyone else will do their bit—and it and as I understand it, based on published coalition will be in bits, and no matter how high they are piled up, documents, the position is this: bits do not make a strategy. “The parties commit to holding a full Strategic Security and Defence Review… alongside the Spending Review with strong This issue is too important for such an approach. We involvement of the Treasury”. are at the beginning of a period of change. The Government are setting an agenda for a generation and committing Alison Seabeck: Strong. money that will be spent in 30 years’ time. The Government know that: they know it intellectually, but they do not Mr Havard: I bet there will be strong involvement seem to know it in terms of how process works. They from the Treasury, but is that involvement just about the can deny it as much as they like, but the strategic costs, or will it also consider other things? The statement nuclear deterrent will have to become part of a review. 95 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 96 Review Review [Mr Havard] understand what that means—that in an eight man section, it is likely that one or two of the men fighting at Put it in; do it properly; do it comprehensively. That the moment in Afghanistan in 1st Battalion the Mercian sort of thing happens with DFID and when we go into Regiment are likely to come back to this country either Afghanistan—the comprehensive approach. Well, this in a box or on a stretcher. Thank goodness we have the is a comprehensive approach with large parts missing; Territorial Army, as it heavily reinforces the regular that is what this SDSR is about. Army. It does that extremely well. Indeed, in Helmand I plead with the Front-Bench team to look back—or, at the moment, 10% of the troops out there are either rather, to step back—and consider the timing of events. Territorial Army or reserves. It was the same in Iraq. It was argued earlier that we do not have to do all of When I visited the coalition operating base in 2007, the this by a week next Wednesday; and we do not have to figure was 10%. In 2004, with the invasion of Iraq, it do it in a six-hour discussion, in which most of the was 20%, so the strategic defence review has to look people here, who represent the real people outside, will very carefully at how we use the Territorial Army, which not be able to participate. That shows the dysfunctional has now become a proper reserve force for the regular level to which this Parliament has got to, and I thought Army. that that was exactly the sort of dysfunctional activity When our troops are deployed on operations for that we were meant to be changing. Government Members six-month tours, they have a period in the middle of have that opportunity, because they govern the debate; their tour called rest and recuperation—R and R—which there are no Back-Bench opportunities to influence that is normally two weeks long. I put it to the House that yet. Perhaps that is something that those engaged in the approximately 1,000 of the 9,500 troops deployed to discussion over Back Benchers and Parliament should Afghanistan are either not there or are travelling to or try to change. Unless and until that debate takes place, from R and R. Effectively, in resilience terms, some whether it is prompted by the Government Front-Bench infantry sections—I see the right hon. Member for team or whether it is forced on them by those in others Coventry North East (Mr Ainsworth) nodding his head, parts of the House, it will not be a real one. because he knows what I am going to say—are down to four or five men. Infantry cannot fight with sections of four or five men, so they are put together, with the result 7.35 pm that combat power is reduced. Whatever the outcome of Bob Stewart (Beckenham) (Con): We have heard three the strategic defence review, we must ensure that our excellent maiden speeches today, and I am delighted to front-line units are properly manned and that their say that I have some connection with all three. I know ORBAT—organisation for battle—is good enough to that their constituencies are wonderful. I was born near sustain them properly. Lancaster, a fabulous place— I have concentrated on the Army, but the principle remains the same for the Royal Air Force and Royal Dan Byles (North Warwickshire) (Con): A very long Navy. We have a problem with the Navy, and we must time ago. ensure that the ships deployed on operations are manned and equipped properly. The Royal Air Force currently Bob Stewart: Thank you. has 74 Harrier jump jets, less than a third of which are I learned to dive under Royal Navy command at operational. We must get this right across the services. Devonport, despite being a pongo, and I joined my I totally understand how difficult it is for Governments regiment in 1969—a very long time ago—at Weeton camp of either persuasion to get money for defence. It is in the Fylde constituency. When I joined my regiment extremely difficult, and I will not be found criticising I joined a battalion that had an establishment of 750. the Opposition on that matter. However, we must ensure When I handed over command of it some two decades that the question of resilience is dealt with properly in later, it was down to 638. We had lost 20% of the the strategic defence review. We must not send our manpower of our battalion. The theme of my speech, young men and women into battle without adequate then, is resilience at the front line. It is still called a manpower to sustain operations when things go wrong. battalion, but it has been salami-sliced and hollowed out. This is a big problem, which the strategic defence review must look at. We must ensure that our front-line 7.42 pm troops have the capability to do the job we expect them Mark Tami (Alyn and Deeside) (Lab): I congratulate to do. you, Madam Deputy Speaker, on taking the Chair. I On resilience, just consider the 3rd Battalion the also congratulate those Members who made their maiden Rifles, which returned in April. When it came back after speeches—I almost said “nervous speeches”; I was certainly six months of the winter tour in Afghanistan, it had lost nervous when I made my maiden speech, but they were eight men killed in action and had 67 casualties. That not. To talk in military terms, they will be pleased to meant, in terms of the fighting men for that battalion, a have got off the runway, and I am sure that they will sail 14% casualty rate. My own battalion, the 1st Battalion high in the future. the Cheshire Regiment as it was—now, for some strange If Iraq and Afghanistan have taught us anything, it is reason, called the 1st Battalion the Mercian Regiment—is that the challenge is not winning the initial conflict, but in Afghanistan at the moment. It has been there two securing the peace. Our opponents in both conflicts months: it has lost five men killed in action already, and learned that standing and fighting in the open ended in it has 35 people wounded. their defeat, but that if they used the terrain, whether in If we think about the basic fighting strength—I return the countryside or in towns and cities, and used hit-and-run to the theme of resilience—of a fighting unit in our infantry, tactics and improvised explosive devices, they could it is the eight-man section. It is very sad statistically to fight us effectively, and that insurgency would spread 97 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 98 Review Review from province to province and—what we fear most—from on several occasions. Underlying that is the Conservatives’ country to country. To counter that, we have recognised opposition to European co-operation: they really dislike the need for more mobile forces than we have had in the that aspect of the project. That attitude makes no sense past—forces that can respond rapidly to ever changing on a number of fronts. It makes us totally reliant on situations. At the heart of meeting that challenge is the the US—we would have no access to the intellectual availability of more troops and equipment to be put property—and undermines the UK aerospace industry. down, often under fire, in difficult situations. Helicopters It has a direct impact on jobs not only in the military are only part of the answer to that, and we need sector but in the civil sector. For Airbus in the UK, the large-scale strategic lift to support our forces engaged in stakes are even higher: the A400M will be the first ground operations. aircraft to be built with composite wings. In this country Our forces are still reliant on the ageing Hercules, we have long prided ourselves in being at the centre of which have been excellent workhorses over many years wing excellence, but that will be at risk if we do not take but are now showing their age. It is becoming increasingly part in the project. Given how Airbus operates, if we difficult to keep them serviceable for the number of pull out of the project the work share would be divided hours that our forces require. Although the C-130J has between the remaining partners, and Spain has long good tactical performance, it cannot carry outsize loads made it clear that it would get the chequebook out and because its cargo hold is too small. The C-17, which be more than willing to take on that work. That would seems to be the transport plane of choice, is a good have a direct impact within the civil programme. Rather outsize-load airlifter, but is costly and has limited tactical than our being the natural builder of the wings for capability. It is fine if it can land on a proper airfield, future Airbus aircraft—in particular, the replacement but it cannot be used or operated from soft fields—or at for the A3320—we would find ourselves competing least, as someone once advised me, it can land on soft with Spain. If we lost that order, the future of Airbus in fields, but only once. Not only is our use of leased the United Kingdom could be at stake. aircraft expensive, but often they are not available at the I plead with the Secretary of State and the Minister time required, and many of the aircraft share the same to think of the future, not just in terms of a military problems as the C-17. project but in terms of the effect on the whole of the The decision of the Labour Government—I thank UK aerospace industry, including both direct and indirect my right hon. and hon. Friends on the Front Bench for employment. The last Government signed up to this this—to commit themselves, confirm and sign up to the project, which has ramifications far wider than military Airbus 400M programme was extremely welcome. Derided use. I appeal to the present Government to sign up to by its opponents as a paper aircraft that would never the project and ensure that it goes ahead, for the future take to the air, it has now flown, and by all accounts of the United Kingdom. performed extremely well in its trials. The A400M will be able to carry either the same payload as the stretch C-130J more than twice as far, or double the payload 7.50 pm over the same distance. It will be able to operate at high Jack Lopresti (Filton and Bradley Stoke) (Con): Thank altitude and at high speed and respond to a greater you, Madam Deputy Speaker, for calling me to contribute range of mission requirements. Probably most importantly, to this vital debate. it can operate from soft and rough fields, and can I am delighted that it is customary for Members therefore deliver support to forward positions where it to use their maiden speeches to pay tribute to their is most needed. To do that, it has advanced protection predecessors. I have the honour to do so twice over, systems, which compare favourably to the airlifters currently because my wonderful constituency of Filton and Bradley in use. It will be able to carry helicopters and armoured Stoke—known to many as FABS—is a new seat, created vehicles and—we are currently unable to do this—deliver from three former seats. Two of the Members who them directly to where they are needed. represented those seats are no longer in the House. Furthermore, the aircraft will be cost-effective, which Dr Doug Naysmith served Bristol, North-West for we can rarely say about military projects. Compared 13 years with straightforward honour and distinction. with the C-130J and C-17 fleets, it will have the highest His political foes marked him down as a good and availability and the lowest life cycle costs. It has been decent man. He was personally kind and—dare I say designed and built to meet operational requirements, it?—supportive to me whenever we met. I wish him well rather than being modified or shoehorned to meet the in his new political career as a member of Bristol city task required of it. The export potential of the aircraft council, and I may yet come to forgive him for defeating is also positive: its rivals are either ageing or unable to my old Avonmouth councillor friend Spud Murphy meet the full operational requirements; no new aircraft, after a nail-biting four recounts when lots had to be either in development or on the drawing board, can drawn. rival the A400M. It could sell well around the world, and even in the US, although our experience with Roger Berry, who represented the wards of Kingswood AirTanker would lead us to believe that the Americans that are now in FABS, is someone with whom I would would try to gerrymander any situation to the advantage have had little in common politically, but in the part of of Boeing. Our American allies think that it is fine for my constituency where he was formerly a Member he them to have open access to our markets, but that we was well regarded across the political spectrum for his should be prevented from competing in theirs. However, endeavour, his independence, his forthright political that is an argument for another day. opinions, and his work as co-chair of the all-party There are those who have always been opposed to parliamentary group on disability. UK involvement in the A400M programme, believing Filton and Bradley Stoke is a fascinating and diverse instead that we should just buy something off the shelf. place. It is the home of the British aerospace industry. The current Secretary of State for Defence has said that Concorde was built at Filton, and today it is still the 99 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 100 Review Review [Jack Lopresti] I had the huge honour and privilege to spend a year serving with the mighty men of 29 Commando Regiment, British home of EADS and Airbus, Rolls-Royce, and a five months of it in Afghanistan on Operation Herrick 9. large part of GKN. This year, 2010, marks the centenary As a private soldier, Gunner Lopresti, I spent my of aviation in Bristol. Founder Sir George White, a tour in Helmand, where I saw at first hand what decisions great entrepreneur and Bristolian who came from humble made in the House of Commons can mean for the men beginnings, was so proud of his city that he named his and women on the ground. I worked with the Rifles for company the Bristol Aeroplane Company after it. We a bit of my tour of duty as a member of infantry force are home to the university of the West of England, one protection on the Medical Emergency Response Team, of Britain’s most successful new universities, and we are who work in the back of a Chinook helicopter. I watched fortunate to have the world-famous Frenchay hospital, some awe-inspiring young people fly in and out of which is internationally renowned for its work on the danger to pick up and treat casualties, sometimes in the treatment of bones and head injuries. Frenchay was very worst of circumstances and sometimes successfully, sadly downgraded by the last Government, but I will sometimes not. I learnt exactly what our future decisions continue to fight for its existence as a community hospital could mean. I also worked alongside a remarkably with as many facilities as possible to serve the residents brave and inspirational soldier, a Lance Bombardier of south Gloucestershire. from 29 Commando, whose foot and lower leg were My constituency is at the centre of the debate on the blown off by an improvised explosive device while he strategic defence and security review. At its heart lies was driving a Land Rover with no mine protection in the MOD procurement centre at Abbey Wood. EADS 2006 and who, less than two years later, was back doing makes missiles, and Rolls-Royce contributes to the building a second tour of duty with his regiment as part of of not only the type 45 destroyer but the engines of the 3 Commando Brigade. That was just amazing. new US strike fighter. Airbus and GKN lead the world My experience is what will inform my thinking when in the development of composite wing technology, and the debate on the shape of our military future takes Airbus is also engaged in the development of the new place. Our new Prime Minister and my right hon. and fantastic A400M plane, a transport plane designed Friend the Secretary of State for Defence will certainly to replace the now ageing Hercules. The A400M will have the support of this new Member of Parliament if have its UK debut in the south-west at the royal international our Government honour their commitment to renew air tattoo in Fairford on 16 July. It will be flown by the and strengthen the military covenant, but I will also aptly named chief test pilot Ed Strongman, who is a reserve the right to be a critical friend, not only mindful Cornishman and a graduate of Bristol university. of Britain’s place in the world and our international At a time of straitened economic circumstances, the duties and obligations, but conscious above all of our development of those projects and the huge costs involved duty properly to equip and care for those who put their will provide the substance of many ensuing debates on lives on the line for our country. This country needs the nature and cost of the country’s defences. I hope the many culture changes; let us ensure that the ongoing new Government will learn one lesson from their welfare of our servicemen is among them. predecessors, and will never forget it. We may enter into Making my maiden speech in this place is a truly wars at short notice and with good reason, but we must humbling experience which I assure the House I will never do so again without a full understanding of the never forget, but nor, as we review our defence priorities, implications for the lives of our troops whom we place will I ever let this place forget the debt that we owe to in harm’s way. Waging war costs money, but that cost is our service personnel. As the great General George nothing in comparison with the lives of the men and Patton once said, wars may be fought with weapons, but women involved, and our duty to our service personnel they are won by men. does not stop with a homecoming parade and a few beers in the mess afterwards. 7.57 pm As several of my hon. Friends have already pointed out in their maiden speeches, it is time for this country, Mr Jeffrey M. Donaldson (Lagan Valley) (DUP): It is and this Government, to take seriously the ongoing a privilege to follow the hon. Member for Filton and issue of the welfare and, in particular, the mental health Bradley Stoke (Jack Lopresti). I wish him well in his of so many of our returning heroes. From the comfort time in the House, and many years in which to serve his of my home in Filton, I cheered nearly as loudly as our constituents. I also welcome the maiden speeches of the troops in Camp Bastion when my right hon. Friend the hon. Members for Fylde (Mark Menzies), for Lancaster Prime Minister made his announcement about the doubling and Fleetwood (Eric Ollerenshaw), and for Plymouth, of their operational allowances. I know what that sort Sutton and Devonport (Oliver Colvile). of practical support means to the troops on the ground. The hon. Member for Fylde mentioned golf courses However, it must be accompanied by a real and ongoing in his constituency, which gives me an opportunity, as a commitment to looking after our troops, sometimes for proud Ulsterman, to record our delight that Graeme the rest of their lives. McDowell has won the US Open championship. For I believe that the one thing that will distinguish this British golf and for golf in Northern Ireland, that is Parliament from many of its recent predecessors is the something to be greatly welcomed. Our congratulations number of us sitting here today who have served. That go to Graeme and, indeed, to his family, who must be includes new hon. Friends from as far afield as South Dorset very proud of that wonderful achievement. and Penrith and the Border, as well as many in between. On a sadder note, I acknowledge the tragic death of My own military experience is as a serving Territorial the 300th soldier to be killed in Afghanistan. He was a Army soldier. I am a Gunner with 266 Commando member of 40 Commando. Last week the funeral took Battery of the Royal Artillery. As a mobilised reservist, place of my constituent Corporal Stephen Walker, who 101 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 102 Review Review also served in 40 Commando. He was killed in Sangin in We cannot allow our brave servicemen and women to Afghanistan, and our thoughts continue to be with his be left in that kind of situation. We have got to look family at this difficult time. after them not only while they are in service, but after I welcome the commitment given by the Secretary of they leave. State to the tri-service covenant, which I support. I also I am aware of several cases in my constituency and in welcome the fact that many Members have mentioned Northern Ireland involving former military personnel the welfare of our armed forces personnel. If this who are facing real problems. Their pensions are being review is about anything, it must be about ensuring that reduced—their war pensions and the other benefits the men and women who serve in the armed forces have they receive are constantly the subject of review. Part of the best support and resources available, because without the problem is the medical profession’s failure adequately them we do not have a military capability. It is important to recognise what PTSD does to the life of an individual. that the covenant be honoured, and that we look at that There is an educational issue here that we would do well in the context of the review and seek to ensure that to examine, in order to see how we can ensure a better those men and women who serve our country are given understanding among the medical profession of PTSD the support they deserve. and its long-term impact on service personnel. One key area of concern to me is post-traumatic Finally, I agree with the comments made today about stress disorder. I know from my own service in Northern our military capability. On resources, I am concerned Ireland and from comrades and members of the Royal that an argument is developing that we need a light-end Ulster Constabulary who developed PTSD that this is a capability at the expense of a diminishing heavy-end major, long-term issue that needs a long-term solution, capability. I agree with those Members who have warned and that many of the men and women who served in against complacency. We may well face major wars in Iraq and Afghanistan developed PTSD after coming the future and be involved in major conflicts, and we home. Indeed, The Lancet magazine recently warned of will need heavy-end capability as part of our military a “tidal wave” of soldiers suffering from mental trauma resources. I hope that that will be understood during as a result of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. This is a the review, and that heavy-end capability will not be major developing issue. diminished because of the need for financial constraints. I know from my constituency work and my work in Mr Deputy Speaker (Mr Nigel Evans): Order. The Northern Ireland that soldiers suffering from PTSD at conventions associated with maiden speeches now apply. times do not get the long-term support they need to I call Penny Mordaunt. cope with this very difficult condition. That has real consequences for them. Many of them struggle to find permanent employment after leaving the armed forces, 8.5 pm and they can develop major health issues and have marital problems. In effect, PTSD can destroy their Penny Mordaunt (Portsmouth North) (Con): Thank lives after service. you, Mr Deputy Speaker. Having waited for over a month to speak in a debate, it seems a little strange to I welcome the work undertaken by various charities call this my maiden speech. Perhaps it could be more and veterans organisations, and wish in particular to aptly described as my spinster speech. mention Combat Stress, which has launched a campaign I must thank the Speaker for introducing the new to raise £30 million to improve mental health services rules that have permitted me to show a little ankle and for veterans. This work is excellent, but it needs the flirt with participation in the proceedings of the House. support of the Government. I hope that, as part of the As those who know me will testify, keeping quiet for a strategic defence and security review, we will take a long whole month would have been a great strain, but silent hard look at the impact of PTSD and mental health I would have been, for I was determined to speak for the problems on our veterans and our soldiers, airmen and first time in a defence debate. sailors, and at what we can do to ensure they receive adequate support and care as they seek to live their lives During my first days as a Member of Parliament it after service. was not at all clear from which set of Benches I would be delivering this speech. In the week following the I also wish to refer the House to an excellent article in election, as the fog of uncertainty resolved into strong yesterday’s edition of The Sunday Telegraph, which told and stable coalition Government, I had time to reflect the story of a former reserve Territorial Army soldier that I and colleagues who had to wait past the midnight from Northern Ireland who had served as a medic in hour for our results made our first utterances as Members Iraq. In 2004 he was involved in a major incident, which of Parliament on the 70th anniversary of the Norway is outlined in the article. Corporal Paul Gibson—I debate. That momentous occasion in 1940 precipitated understand that that is not his real name—is quoted in the fall of the Chamberlain Administration, caused the the article, and speaks of the terrible impact PTSD has King to send for Churchill and the formation of the had on his life. He pays tribute to the work of Combat formal coalition Government. Stress and says it effectively saved his life at a time when he was not getting the support and intervention he During that historic debate, the hon. and gallant needed. The article reports that he has lost his job and Member for Portsmouth Sir Roger Keyes rose from his spends most of his time at home place in full dress uniform with six rows of medals pinned to his chest, and delivered what Harold Nicolson “enclosed in a world of his own”. called the most dramatic speech he had ever heard. He is quoted as saying: Sir Roger began: “I’m a totally different person…I don’t have any ambitions “I wish to speak for some officers and men of the fighting, any more. There’s no purpose to my life. I just try to get through sea-going Navy”.—[Official Report, 7 May 1940; Vol. 360, the day.” c. 1125.] 103 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 104 Review Review [Penny Mordaunt] In the review, we must not be sea-blind. We face very tough challenges and calls for immediate cuts. To see My uniform remains in my wardrobe, and I do not the scale of the challenge, one has to look just at the pretend to high drama, but I have come to the Chamber disparity between what the last strategic defence review today, and will come again on many other days, to do as suggested for the Navy and the current number of ships Sir Roger did: to speak for the Navy. in service or planned to be in service. For example, First, however, let me make mention of another of the last review recommended 12 destroyers, but we are Sir Roger’s successors. I am speaking today because building only six. To close the gap between need and Sarah McCarthy-Fry is not. This election was, if the affordability and to preserve the development and House will indulge a topical metaphor, the second maintenance capability that we want in our bases and match of our personal contest, and so I can really only dockyards, we need a planned but flexible approach to claim to have levelled the score, although given the size procurement. The review must listen to the drum beat of the current majority I think I can say that I am ahead of production in those UK yards and must seize every on goal difference. opportunity to strengthen UK exports. In the intervening years, Sarah was very much the We need to take a longer-term approach to our super-sub, occupying almost every ministerial job going, ordering of ships and we need to end wasteful delay to including a mere fortnight at the Department for production schedules. As the Secretary of State pointed Communities and Local Government. I pay tribute to out earlier, the decision to slow the rate of the Queen Sarah’s service to our city, and in particular to her fight Elizabeth class carriers in 2009 increased overall costs to keep Portsmouth naval base open and viable. I will by £600 million. Having seen the carriers being built last continue that campaign, although unlike her I hope not Friday, I can report that they are already at an advanced to have to fight my own Government to achieve it. stage and that they have gone beyond the first cut of I am happy to report to the House that Sarah has steel. Lessons should be learned from the carriers and quickly gained new employment and has taken a job of the Type 45s. We could have laid down nine destroyers hard labour—or hard Labour—which might have gathered one after the other, thereby supplying the Navy with dust on the average Jobcentre Plus shelves. I am sure what it needed when it needed it, allowing the yard to that my hon. Friends will join me in wishing her well as maximise returns on its investment and ensuring the campaign manager for the shot at the Labour party defence budget was sustainable. Of the six we are building, leadership of the right hon. Member for Morley and the last will be ready for sea trials in January 2013. Outwood (Ed Balls). In light of his recent utterances, it Small orders built at lightning speed short-change the must be a great comfort to the right hon. Gentleman Navy and the yard and place stress on the defence that he did not have to look to immigrant labour to do a budget. job that most British people simply would not have touched. The Type 26 presents an opportunity to act upon I could have spoken today about any of Portsmouth’s those experiences. Consideration should be given to the manifold attributes: the innovation and ambition timing and specification. If they are to be built, let us across all sectors, the world-famous Pompey spirit so ensure that other navies will want them too. After all, if evident at the recent FA cup final, and my pride that my they are good enough for the Royal Navy, they are good home city has put its trust in me. However, there is one enough for any navy. If we achieve that, it will be a particular issue at the heart of Portsmouth’s history dreadnought moment in UK procurement. We have not and daily life on which I wish to speak today: the sold a new Navy-designed ship abroad since the 1970s, Navy service. but it is achievable. Britain is already selling standard kit to the US navy. Innovative Rolls-Royce gas turbines I was at primary school in Portsmouth during the will power the DDG-1000 and are already powering the Falklands conflict. Britain did not expect to face such USS Freedom. We must focus on trade deals where they an act of territorial expansion, but the Navy was unfaltering are viable and strategically advantageous. I am sure that in its readiness and commitment to the defence of the there will be disagreement about my views, but I will not British people. That spirit of duty and service made a falter in making this argument, and I point out to my deep impression on me, even though the Navy had critics that HMS Penelope latterly became known as already played a major role in my life before that. HMS Pepperpot because of her ability to endure massive Indeed, I am named after HMS Penelope, which was amounts of shelling and remain afloat and able to the first cruiser able to do a complete about-turn within return fire. I thank hon. Members for listening to my her own length—a manoeuvre that I hope never to have arguments and I shall end as Sir Roger did, by quoting to deploy here. Lord Nelson, whose words are as relevant now as ever: That spirit of service is as strong as ever in the Royal “The boldest measures are the safest”. Navy, but although it is understandable that recent debates in the House and the wider media have focused primarily 8.13 pm on the Army, the senior service has, as a consequence, often felt under-represented and unappreciated. I am Eric Joyce (Falkirk) (Lab): I listened with great interest sure that Members on both sides of the House recognise to the speech of the hon. Member for Portsmouth the contribution that the Navy makes to our way of life, North (Penny Mordaunt). She certainly advanced a to our ability to trade, to hydrographical and meteorological sophisticated argument for the interests of the Navy services, to tackling crime and to providing help in and she should be congratulated on listening so carefully times of crisis. However, the breadth of its role should to her predecessor, Sir Roger. However, I am not sure not detract from the depth of its contribution to the about all of that knights on chargers stuff—I am always defence of the realm—continuous at-sea deterrence, a bit sceptical about all that. I thought she was a bit delivery of commando force and air assets and mine scary. It was nice that she referred to my colleague and counter-measures are but a few of its roles. her predecessor, Sarah McCarthy-Fry.I know that everyone 105 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 106 Review Review who serves a constituency with a big military naval or thinking what our policy on replacing Polaris should be. air force interest must largely follow that trend, but I They did not just say, “Is it four, or is it three?” Hon. think that the world we are in leads us to leave that Members can imagine a guy turning up at the MOD behind. Today’s debate leads us to reflect on the fact with a very large lorry, going upstairs to the fifth or that many people, including Opposition Members, have sixth storey and saying to the Secretary of State, “Here to consider not only their constituents’ interests but the are your boats mate; here are your Tridents,” and the fact that we are in a complex and difficult time financially Secretary of State saying, “Right, let’s have one up there and that we have to look to defend the realm in ways in Scotland, one doing training or something and one that leave sectional interests behind. However, I thought out at sea.” Can hon. Members imagine the chap saying, that the hon. Lady’s speech was super. I can imagine her “Well, you’ve got another one—a fourth one,” and the on a horse, but I am trying to stay legal here. It was a Secretary of State replying, “There’s a fourth! I didn’t tremendous speech. There have been a number of really know about that. Can you stick it up in Hertfordshire good opening speeches tonight. I have probably said and cover it with foliage and twigs, and we’ll chat about enough about that, except I must say that I thought her it in a couple of years’ time”? comments about her predecessor were a bit acerbic. I want to address two issues in the brief time available Dr Julian Lewis: I am fascinated by this point about to me, starting with a quick word about Trident. My the number of submarines required. Is the hon. Gentleman personal perspective is that Opposition Front Benchers aware that the plan was originally to have five Polaris are slightly constrained by the fact that we were in submarines and that the number was reduced to four by government until quite recently, so we cannot really put the incoming Labour Government to give them an a proper Opposition perspective on things at the moment. excuse to say that they were doing something different That is simply the way it is. I am not being critical of from the previous Conservative Government? I sometimes Labour Front Benchers, who are all very good and who get the impression that some of my now allies are trying excelled as Defence Ministers. It is just the way things to make the same sort of suggestion about changing the are: things change, we are now in opposition, and I number from four to three for a similar reason. think that our profile will change in some ways too. It is bizarre to argue that we voted Trident through in Eric Joyce: I enjoy giving way to the hon. Gentleman. 2007, so now it should be fine, which is essentially the He made an excellent speech earlier, and I will come to Secretary of State’s position. There are many things him in a moment; the second part of my speech is on that we voted for in 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010 on which Afghanistan. the position will have changed, because, as I understand Although I may not be qualified to say this, the it, this Government have a different prospectus from the position of successive Governments on Trident is incoherent previous Government. The idea that Labour had that as militarily; it is political argument. Frankly, the idea that a policy when in government and should therefore someone can simply pop up in an article in The Guardian follow that line is not really an argument at all. The fact or as part of the Government and say, “Let’s knock it is that both the Conservatives and Labour are afraid of from four down to three” is completely mad. Therefore, Trident as a truly political issue, and this is not really a this turns on a geopolitical argument, which we can defence issue, but a political issue. The Conservatives discuss, but—guess what?—if it is excluded from a are afraid—some Back Benchers are afraid—because it defence review or, indeed, to be fair, a shadow defence looks as though we are yielding something to the French review, we cannot discuss it. We simply say, “That’s not or yielding some international prestige. Labour is, to going to cut the mustard, so we’ll just leave it out. It’s a some degree, afraid, because it looks as though we are bit embarrassing, so just push it out.” That is like going back to the 1980s. suggesting that we should exclude Trident when considering The Secretary of State said something quite prescient how much we spend on defence each year, or not saying in his opening speech—that we must not have a view that we spend 2.3% of our gross domestic product on that is essentially the view of that a generation ago. defence, but, for those reasons, we should not do that. There are Members on the Government Benches who know much more about this than I do, but that is a Trident is not really a military question at all; it is a classic position on defence policy—that we must not geopolitical question and one for the Prime Minister. look to the past few campaigns to work out what to do I sometimes think that it is rather odd that we even in future. However, that is exactly what we are doing discuss it in defence debates. It is most peculiar that with Trident. Trident is excluded, and perhaps any defence review I have with me a whole bunch of cheap quotes—I with proper integrity would include it. Such a review could not help noticing that the Minister for the Armed may conclude that we need Trident or its successor, that Forces glanced up at me then—but I am not going to we need something different or that we need nothing, use them. I just am not cheap enough. I cannot; I am but leaving it out is simply an admission that we cannot not going to do it. The Minister has advanced many stack up the argument. intelligent arguments, but now he is in government he In my last two minutes and four seconds, I shall zoom cannot do that, so he must be very frustrated. There was on to Afghanistan. The same problem exists, because a piece in The Guardian today by Baroness Williams we have an interim situation in the Opposition. The from the other place. I do not know whether the Minister hon. Member for New Forest East (Dr Lewis) has ideas put her up to it, but it was preposterous, saying that we that are worth fleshing out. We cannot properly oppose should perhaps reduce from four boats to three. the position at the moment, because politics is as it is. I Conservative Members might say, “Hang on—that was listened to the hon. Member for Beckenham (Bob Stewart) kind of hinted at from your perspective six months and other Members with very great interest. My instinct ago”, but it is ridiculous and absolutely mad. People at is that Government Back Benchers have considerable the Ministry of Defence probably spent 15, 20 or 25 years experience, which creates a sense of not disloyalty but 107 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 108 Review Review [Eric Joyce] Liskeard was home to the former Caradon district council and is where the fortnightly cattle market provides ambivalence, with a generation of different ideas that an opportunity for farmers and rural villagers to come are not classically conservative but are creative and together. The coastal town of Looe, along with the imaginative. That is not to say that one agrees with neighbouring villages of Polperro and Polruan, provides them, but a lot more of that is going on among Government superb tourism locations, while the much depleted Members than can happen among Opposition Members. commercial fishing industry is just about withstanding The difficulty is where we are at the moment politically. the devastating hardship heaped upon it through the That will change at the end of the year, but defence present economic situation, the European common fisheries debates can be decidedly dull for correspondents in policy and the disastrous way in which the last other places, because we tend to agree, which is a bit Administration mishandled the quota management system boring, is it not? However, quite interesting stuff is for the small under-10-metre fishing fleet—believe me, going on among Government Back Benchers, and I know, because I am married to a fisherman. Opposition Back Benchers are a little constrained at the In the north of the constituency, Callington is home moment. to Ginsters—the largest enterprise in the constituency—and Crucial though issues such as jobs are, I should like the town also boasts the first school in Cornwall to gain to think that future debates in the House would not foundation status. simply revolve around constituency sectional interests Saltash and Torpoint on the eastern bank of the and manufacturing. Our debates need to be about Tamar rely on the neighbouring city of Plymouth for something rather more than that; they need to be much much employment. Devonport dockyard and naval base more about the future of foreign and defence policy, generate around £850 million per year for the immediate what we need to do in this country, whether we pay too local economy and are responsible, directly and indirectly, much obeisance to the United States and whether we for 24,000 jobs. A large number of the Devonport work get back in return what we give in geopolitical influence. force live in South East Cornwall and, without that, Those are the key issues that we should be considering, Torpoint and Saltash could become ghost towns. and some of them have been broached tonight. I am delighted to welcome my right hon. Friend as the new Secretary of State for Defence, although he is 8.23 pm not sitting in his place at the moment, and I welcome Sheryll Murray (South East Cornwall) (Con): I am my colleague, the Minister for the Armed Forces. grateful to catch your eye, Mr Deputy Speaker, and I The news that the Trident replacement will not be congratulate all the hon. Members who have made their included in the forthcoming strategic defence and security maiden speeches tonight. review is welcome. The nuclear deterrent is necessary to My constituency of South East Cornwall was known deter the most destructive forms of aggression. I believe as the Bodmin constituency until 1983. It is an honour that the most cost-effective way to deliver a future to follow my predecessor, Colin Breed, who was a maintenance programme for the continuous at-sea deterrent dedicated campaigner on behalf of those who work in will be to use the refit facilities already in place at the defence industry until his retirement from the House Devonport dockyard, and I hope that my right hon. this year and who was well respected throughout the Friends agree. constituency. I should also like to pay tribute to Sir Robert HMS Raleigh—the Royal Navy’s premier training Hicks. Held in high esteem by so many and first elected establishment in the south-west and a real part of the as MP for Bodmin in 1970, he spoke up for Devonport community, where all ratings join the service and receive naval base and dockyard throughout his political career the first phase of their naval training—is located in until 1997. South East Cornwall and has considerable influence on It is ironic that another former MP for Bodmin, John the town of Torpoint, as well as the Rame peninsula. Rathbone, was killed while defending our nation in Four new accommodation blocks, built as part of the December 1940 during the battle of Britain and was major upgrade of facilities, have recently been unveiled. succeeded by his wife, Beatrice, the first female MP for They are named Antelope, Ardent, Sir Galahad and Bodmin who was elected unopposed in 1941. As Beatrice Conqueror to commemorate four ships that played a Wright, she became vice-president of the Royal National part in the Falklands campaign. Institute for Deaf People and founded Hearing Dogs I have a specific interest in the Navy because my for Deaf People. daughter is a serving Royal Navy officer. I have gained South East Cornwall is a mainly rural constituency, first-hand knowledge of the various ways in which our bounded by the River Fowey in the west and the Tamar senior service operates in many roles around the globe. in the east. It is economically reliant on farming, tourism The Royal Navy is flexible, resilient and capable, providing and small enterprise. It is a truly beautiful part of the Government with a range of options to deal with county, with hill farms on the border of Bodmin moor threats and challenges facing the UK and her allies. The and lush market gardens in the Tamar valley, the beautiful varied tasks undertaken include: providing support for Rame peninsula, where I am fortunate to have my the Department for International Development; supporting home, and a coastline and beaches that attract thousands the Home Office in protecting the territorial integrity of of holidaymakers. I would welcome any hon. Member our home waters; providing fishery protection in English, to come and have a holiday in South East Cornwall, Welsh and Northern Irish waters; and supporting the because I know that they would be made to feel welcome. Cabinet Office in co-ordinating UK maritime surveillance Six small towns form the main areas of population information. throughout the constituency. At Lostwithiel in the west, The UK has been the world’s most successful defence the Stannary palace is reputed to be the oldest non- exporter over the past 10 years, and the naval sector ecclesiastical building in Cornwall. The market town of earns around £3 billion of revenue per year. Flag-officer 109 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 110 Review Review sea training is based in Plymouth. Over 100 ships and rely on the good will and good nature of foreign powers submarines from the Royal Navy and the navies of in letting us use their territories for conducting expeditionary NATO and allied nations benefit from FOST’s training operations. That is why we need the force projection expertise each year. I hope that the strategic defence that only the carriers can provide. It took five years to review will recognise the return that could be generated set up the aircraft carrier alliance, which has developed from any investment in the Royal Navy, which offers the project. That is important, because when discussing variety and flexibility in the way in which it operates. I something in the region of £4 billion-worth of expenditure, hope that my colleagues on the Government Front people tend not to rush into things, and I hope that Bench appreciate that Devonport’s dockyard and naval Members in all parts of the House accept that the base provide South East Cornwall and, indeed, the city previous Government made sure not only that there of Plymouth with a huge amount of benefits. I urge my was a good deal for British industry but that, crucially, right hon. Friend the Secretary of State to keep funding there was a good deal for the British taxpayer. That is in South East Cornwall, and to use the wealth of why it took so long for the project to come to fruition. I expertise that we have in our area. note the comments about the bow sections, which have now been completed for the first of the two aircraft 8.30 pm carriers and have arrived in my constituency for assembly. Thomas Docherty (Dunfermline and West Fife) (Lab): Many Members, however, are rightly concerned May I first congratulate all Members on both sides of about the comments about the second aircraft carrier, the House on their superb maiden speeches? We have HMS Prince of Wales, which is due to roll into the heard some excellent contributions, including from the Forth in 2017-18. I should be grateful if the Minister hon. Member for South East Cornwall (Sheryll Murray)—I tried to answer four or five questions. First, when will am sure that the House wishes her daughter all the best the formal period of consultation on the defence review in her career—and the hon. Members for Portsmouth begin? There is great anticipation, both in the House North (Penny Mordaunt), for Filton and Bradley Stoke and across the country, and we want some certainty. (Jack Lopresti), and for Plymouth, Sutton and Devonport Secondly, how long will that formal consultation last (Oliver Colvile). and will he, as the previous Government did in its SDR, make sure that interested organisations—I am thinking This has been an excellent debate because of the of trade unions, the defence industry, local authorities, cross-party consensus about the need for a rational, the Scottish and Welsh Governments—have an opportunity thoughtful defence review. I think that we Labour Members to make some input into the SDR? can all recognise that there are areas of waste that we can look to cut. I am sure that my hon. Friend the Will the Minister also clarify what weighting the Member for North Durham (Mr Jones) will be happy Government will give, not just to military need, which to supply the Government Front Benchers with a list should be paramount, but—and we have heard some of projects and areas of expense that they can cut to good contributions on this—the vital role that the contract begin with. will play as a platform for our defence industry to export ideas, technology and skills to other countries? I hope that the Minister for the Armed Forces will give There has been some speculation—and the Minister answers on some pressing issues that my constituents—and, may wish to shed light on this—about whether or not a from the sound of it, constituents of Members on both foreign country has expressed interest in buying an sides of the House—have about the future of our two aircraft carrier, using the skills and expertise that British new aircraft carriers. It might be helpful if I gave a companies have developed. Finally, will he explain what flavour of the size and scale of the two new super-carriers, weighting will be given to the socio-economic role played and their importance to the Royal Navy. Each is by the aircraft carriers? As I have said, 10,000 jobs 65,000 tonnes at full displacement. They are three times depend on the contracts going ahead, and there is bigger than anything that the Royal Navy has ever trepidation among Opposition Members, who fear that built or used, going back 500 years. Each will have if the Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and 1,600 personnel and 40 aircraft on board, and have a Skills gets his way, and the second carrier is delayed, range of up to 10,000 nautical miles. They are absolutely mothballed or downgraded, those jobs will be in danger. crucial to our future force projection and to the expeditionary role that our armed forces will play. It is Will the Minister explain whether, as part of the perhaps also worth reflecting on the fact that there are overall defence review, the future of the Fleet Air Arm 10,000 British highly skilled, highly prized manufacturing will be considered? Without wishing to prejudice the jobs at stake. argument, many people would suggest, given that the two carriers will use the joint strike fighter with the Mark Menzies indicated assent. Royal Air Force, that the time has come to have a thorough review of whether the Fleet Air Arm should Thomas Docherty: I note that the hon. Member for become part of the RAF. I should be grateful if he Fylde (Mark Menzies) is nodding away; he will know, outlined his thoughts on that. Finally, this has been an as will Members on both sides of the House, how excellent debate, and I should like to conclude by wishing crucial such jobs are. the Minister well in his role, and assuring the House that the Opposition will give our full support to a Perhaps it is worth reflecting on why we need these thorough, thoughtful and long-term defence review. two new super-carriers. It was clear from the last strategic defence review, carried out in 1998 by the then Secretary 8.38 pm of State, that the existing carrier fleet was from the cold war era. It was built around the idea of anti-submarine Karen Lumley (Redditch) (Con): First, Mr Deputy warfare. That threat has thankfully receded, and we will Speaker, may I congratulate you on your new role? We face new types of threat. It is not plausible simply to have known each other for more years than I care to 111 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 112 Review Review [Karen Lumley] employs hundreds of Redditch residents. I am sure the Secretary of State remembers visiting this successful remember—[HON.MEMBERS: “Oh!”] To put that in context, company with me a few years ago. I helped Nigel in his first ever by-election in Ribble As well as the larger employers in Redditch, we Valley many years ago. I do not remember exactly cannot forget the many smaller companies that I have when, but it seems a long time ago. visited over the years. I have been extremely impressed I am grateful, Mr Deputy Speaker for the opportunity by their dedication, business know-how and commitment to give my maiden speech in this great debate. I welcome to their staff. the review, and very much look forward to discussing I hope that Members here today will take the time to the issue with my constituents and to making my visit Redditch, especially the site of Bordesley abbey, submission. I pay tribute to the courage and determination where the 12th century monks set up home, as well as of all our armed forces fighting on the front line in the Forge Mill museum, which tracks the development Afghanistan. I would especially like to pay tribute to of industry in Redditch through needle-making and the those in the Mercian Regiment, some of whom are from manufacture of fishing hooks. I am happy to say, and my constituency, and want to give a special mention to I know my constituents will be delighted to hear, that in a brave soldier from Redditch whose funeral I attended 2012 Redditch will have a brand-new swimming pool, last year—a lance corporal from the Parachute Regiment. courtesy of the Conservative-controlled council, to It is an honour to be the first elected Member of complement a wonderful theatre that has been lovingly Parliament for the new constituency of Redditch county. refurbished. Although I was unsuccessful, I fought the old Redditch There are many fine schools in Redditch. I firmly seat twice before. The new seat of Redditch county believe in the best education that we can provide. Both includes the rural areas of the Lenches and Hanbury, my children were educated in the state system and whose church, legend has it, features in the radio show, received a great education at St Augustine’s high school “The Archers”. They are very beautiful parts of the in Redditch. I am very proud to be chairman of governors county of Worcestershire and I am honoured to represent at Vaynor first school, which is one of the largest first them. These parts of the new seat were, until this schools in the UK. For those Members who do not election, represented by my good friend, and hon. Friend, know, Worcestershire is one of the lowest funded authorities the Member for Mid Worcestershire (Peter Luff), who in the country, and I promise to make it my mission to has helped and supported me through my whole time in address that while I am a Member of Parliament. Redditch. I would like to finish by saying that I am so proud to I would like to pay tribute to my immediate predecessor, be here, standing up for the people of Redditch county, the right hon. Jacqui Smith, who was this country’s first and fighting on their behalf. It has taken me 10 years, woman Home Secretary.Jacqui was renowned in Redditch but it has been worth it. I hope that I am able to make a for being a great constituency MP and in that I certainly difference to their lives and repay the trust that they have a hard act to follow. Jacqui Smith and I have three have put in me. Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker, for things in common. We are both mothers with two giving me the opportunity to make my maiden speech children, we both have sisters called Sarah, and we both today. have husbands called Richard. But I think we will leave that one there. I wish her well in whatever she now 8.43 pm chooses to pursue. Chris Evans (Islwyn) (Lab/Co-op): I congratulate the Other former Members of Parliament to represent hon. Member for Redditch (Karen Lumley) on a wonderful parts of Redditch include the late Eric Forth and Hal maiden speech. I gave mine a couple of weeks ago, and Miller, who both had highly distinguished careers. I know that making the speech is not as trying as the Redditch is a new town and was designated so in nerves while waiting to make it. The hon. Lady makes 1964, the year I was born. Back then it had a population Redditch sound idyllic, and if I have the chance I will of some 29,000 and included lovely areas such as Headless visit it one day. Cross and Webheath. It has grown significantly since As one Welshman to another, I welcome you to your then, and the new constituency has some 66,000 voters place, Mr. Deputy Speaker. As you said to me once, we and includes the lovely villages of Cookhill, Feckenham, Evanses must stick together. Inkberrow, Hanbury, Stock and Bradley Green, Abbots I would like to pay my own tribute to all the men and Morton and the Lenches. For those who listen to “The women who serve in our armed forces. Our hearts go Archers”, it is believed that Inkberrow is the model for out on this sad day to all those who have lost loved ones. Ambridge, so I invite all right hon. and hon. Members Their bravery and courage is truly remarkable, and their to come to Inberrow for a drink in the Old Bull, which dedication both to their duty and to our country is delightful. demonstrates why they are rightly described as the Redditch county is a mixture of rural and urban finest force in the world. We should all be very proud of communities and in that there are many challenges to them and deeply grateful for all they do to protect our face. The town of Redditch has suffered the loss of country. Joining the forces is not like joining Barclays or many manufacturing jobs over the years, especially with Tesco. We ask those brave men and women to put their the demise of the car industry. However, in their place, lives on the line for our security, and in return we must there are many small and medium-sized businesses that honour their commitment. Therefore, the guiding principle will be looking to us to try and build the economy and of the strategic defence and security review must be the ensure direct investment into our country and into safety of our armed forces. Redditch. One of those companies hoping for a push in We all know very well that the troops who are in the right direction is Mettis Aerospace, a company that greatest danger today are those serving in Afghanistan. provides components to the aerospace industry and Our security here in Britain is directly affected by what 113 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 114 Review Review happens in Afghanistan. If we are to prevent terrorism would be a great boost for many local economies and on our streets here at home, we must see our job in will help us to secure the recovery. Creating and protecting Afghanistan through to its conclusion. The Secretary of those jobs right across the country will also safeguard State said recently, in a speech at the Royal United key skills and sustain future capabilities for armoured Services Institute, that our people in Afghanistan will fighting vehicle development and production in the get the best possible support. For me, the best possible UK. That will ensure that the British tank building support for our forces is to provide them with the best industry is maintained, which can only be good for jobs, possible equipment. for industry and for the economy. Our forces in Afghanistan are continually exposed to I caution the Government against going back on the threat of attack from Taliban forces, using improvised deals that have already been signed. If international explosive devices. The Prime Minister’s announcement companies are given the runaround by the Government on his recent visit to Afghanistan of extra spending they may decide to pack up and leave, which would be a on armoured vehicles and other specialised equipment huge blow to the economy, both locally and nationally. that will protect British forces in Afghanistan from Therefore, I urge the Secretary of State and his colleagues those devices is certainly welcome. In one of their last to ensure that this vital piece of kit for our soldiers on acts, the Labour Government awarded the contract for the ground in Afghanistan is delivered as soon as possible, the new generation of armoured fighting vehicles to both to protect our troops and to protect our jobs. The General Dynamics for its ASCOD specialist vehicle. consequences of cutting that project would be disastrous I well remember being at its site in Newbridge in March for our armed forces and our economy. I ask the to hear employees greet the announcement with cheers Government to guarantee today that the project will and a sense of relief. not be cut, and to assure me that our soldiers’ safety Once in service, these new specialist vehicles will and our economic recovery will not be endangered in bring significant benefits for our troops serving in places the name of reducing the deficit. Our troops are brave, such as Afghanistan, including improved protection, and I sincerely hope that the review will ensure that in greater fire power, longer-range sensors and sighting the years to come they will be able to do their job in the systems, and greater reliability. During its testing, the best possible way. They are the best, and they deserve vehicle withstood attacks from the latest mine threats, the very best from the Government. Anything less will and it also allows additional protection to be fitted as be a betrayal of their commitment. new threats arise. This affords the maximum protection to our troops inside the vehicle and will, without doubt, 8.50 pm save the lives of members of our armed forces. Warfare of the type currently encountered in Afghanistan Mr Steve Brine (Winchester) (Con): Congratulations requires vehicles that can protect our soldiers from all to you, Mr Deputy Speaker, on your elevation. I am kinds of attack. Protection is now the essence of modern grateful to you for allowing me to speak in this debate. warfare, and the new specialist vehicle will deliver Today is my wedding anniversary, and I hope that exceptional levels of protection for British troops from making my maiden speech in this place is just about the day it enters service. The era of the cold war is now a good enough reason for not wining and dining long in the past, thank God, and it seems increasingly Mrs Brine this evening. I pay tribute to colleagues from likely that the conflicts of the future will involve fighting all parts of the House for their good speeches in a very of the type seen in Afghanistan. We must now focus on good debate, and to colleagues who have made their equipping our forces properly for such of conflicts, and maiden speeches—probably far better ones than this. I hope that this review will focus on how best to achieve There can be few debates of more significance right that. Therefore, I urge the Government to protect this now, and I congratulate my right hon. Friend the Defence vital project. Secretary on his new position and pay tribute to him In addition to the military case for maintaining the for the strong lead that he gave the House in opening contract with General Dynamics, there is also an economic today’s debate. case for continuing the contract. Eight regions of the I have the great honour of rising to address the UK are set to benefit in terms of employment as a result House as the Member for Winchester. The area first of General Dynamics being awarded the specialist vehicle returned Members to Parliament only in 1295. Modern contract. In addition, supply chain jobs fall across the day Winchester has undergone significant boundary country, as key suppliers are located in Scotland, the changes since the 2005 general election, yet it remains north of England, the north-west, the east midlands focused on the great city of Winchester itself. I also and the south of England, as well as in Wales and the represent, and am pleased to do so, the charming market west midlands. Across the UK, this will mean that town of Alresford in the north, famed for its watercress 10,500 jobs will be created or safeguarded for British-based beds and steam railway, the pretty villages of the Itchen companies and organisations. valley, including my own village of Easton, the stunning In Wales, we expect at least 200 new jobs to be created Hampshire downlands of Wonston and Micheldever, and 250 more to be protected, many of which are based and as far south as Colden Common and Twyford. in my constituency of Islwyn. When the Oakdale colliery I also represent four wards of the borough of Eastleigh, closed in 1989 with the loss of hundreds of jobs, the across Chandler’s Ford and Hiltingbury. It is often said future for the local economy looked bleak. However, to me that at each election the people of Chandler’s now in place of the pits is a business park where Ford and Hiltingbury look very carefully to see where General Dynamics employs hundreds of highly skilled they are going to be asked to vote this time, so often engineers who will, we hope, soon be working on another have they been moved around, so I ask the Boundary of the Government’s most important defence contracts. Commission, if it looks at Hampshire again, to leave Providing jobs for such a large number of people across the good people of Chandler’s Ford and Hiltingbury in our country, at a time when many fear unemployment, peace just this once. 115 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 116 Review Review [Mr Steve Brine] the wider public in the invaluable work done by our armed forces to secure our national security. While I am Those major changes mean that I take over from one in this House, I intend to be a clear and persistent voice current Member and two former Members: the Secretary in favour of ensuring that the new Government honour of State for Energy and Climate Change, the right hon. their promise, as I know they will, to repair the military Member for Eastleigh (Chris Huhne), Sandra Gidley covenant for the sake of our men and women in the and Mark Oaten—who vacated the major part of the field, as well as the families back home living in places new Winchester constituency. It is no secret that my such as Worthy Down camp in my constituency. predecessor left the House in difficult circumstances, The national health service is one of the factors that but I pay tribute to Mark for his work over 13 years as drove me into the House. At present, my constituents the Member for Winchester, and I thank him genuinely are well served by a much loved district general hospital for being a gentleman and a consummate professional in Winchester—it was home to much of the good work in his dealings with me when I was a candidate. I count of Florence Nightingale in her early days—and by large Mark today as a friend, I know how very well respected general hospitals in nearby Basingstoke and Southampton. he was in the constituency and in the House, and I wish During my time as a candidate, including during the him and his family every success for the future. election, I campaigned vigorously and clearly to maintain Members will be aware that Winchester is an ancient services, most especially A and E and maternity services place. Once, during Saxon times, it was the capital of in Winchester. I believe that I was elected with a clear England, and we shall be happy to take that status back mandate to see that that happens. The issues affecting at any time. The cathedral is still at the heart of life in the future of district general hospitals such as Winchester’s our city, and the Bishop of Winchester is one of just will be at the heart of the health debate in this Parliament, 26 Church of England bishops to sit in the other place and I promise the House that I will argue passionately during their time in office. We have the second oldest for their place in a modern NHS. mayoralty in the land, but our main newspaper, the Already the people whom I represent have felt the Hampshire Chronicle, is a relatively new boy, having new Government’s presence. The removal of regional been established only in 1772. strategies and top-down housing targets has been warmly We do history well in Winchester. King Arthur’s welcomed in Winchester and Chandler’s Ford. The legendary round table hangs in the great hall, we have tireless campaigners of the Save Barton Farm group England’s oldest and most perfect almshouse at St Cross, and many others in my constituency are among those and we have King Alfred—Alfred the Great. The great who warmly welcome their abolition. I pay tribute to man is far from forgotten by today’s residents. He keeps the work of those campaigners to protect Winchester watch over the city from his vantage point on the and surrounding areas from gross overdevelopment. Broadway, and he is served magnificently today by the Hyde900 project. This is probably a cliché, but it is no less true for that: I am the first member of my immediate family to go to Today, Winchester is a vibrant, bustling and cosmopolitan university, and many are proud of that. As I said, my city that boasts one of the largest sixth forms in the family includes a brave man of the Royal Hampshire country at Peter Symonds college, the self-confident Regiment, one of the original Tolpuddle martyrs— university of Winchester and, quite literally, schools according to family legend—and now the Conservative to move for. As the county town of Hampshire, we MP for Winchester. Brinism, if there is ever such a host the headquarters of Hampshire county council, word, is a very big tent indeed. HMP Winchester and the headquarters of Hampshire constabulary. My constituency has a proud military tradition, and 8.57 pm I look forward to making my voice heard in the House Gemma Doyle (West Dunbartonshire) (Lab/Co-op): I on defence matters. The city has no fewer than five congratulate the hon. Member for Winchester (Mr Brine), military museums, including the Royal Hampshire Regiment who took us on an enchanting tour of his constituency museum. The Royal Hampshire, now the Princess of and touched on some serious issues; I am sure he will Wales’s Royal Regiment, is based in Winchester and represent his constituents excellently. counts a Brine, my grandfather, as part of its proud history. The city will be very much focused on the brave Defence spending and investment is of particular men and women of 11 Light Brigade on Wednesday this importance to my constituency, which is potentially week, when we host the royal welcome home parade under attack on two fronts by more than one party in from Afghanistan. I will be there, of course, as will the Chamber. Faslane naval base, the home of Trident, several Front-Bench Members. I assure the House that sits just outside the western end of my constituency and we will give the brigade the best Hampshire welcome the Clyde shipyards working on the aircraft carriers sit home. just outside the eastern end. Disappointingly, the new In my constituency we are proud of our military Government have not committed to backing the new history, but it is not all about museums, and it must aircraft carrier projects and, frankly, have not given never be. The Army is still firmly in my constituency at good enough answers today about the replacement of Worthy Down camp, which is still—for now, at least—the Trident. home of the Adjutant General’s Corps. My constituency At the same time, the Scottish National party also includes the Army training regiment, whose future Government would, if they could, try to remove Trident I am keen to secure as contracts are considered and from Faslane, and as a consequence would run down reviewed for initial support and logistics training. the base there. Multilateral disarmament is a noble aim The strategic defence and security review is a marked that I support, but it would be foolhardy, to say the opportunity for our nation to re-engage not only this least, to get rid of our nuclear deterrent when other House—we have certainly done that this afternoon—but countries will not. Negotiation is the best way forward. 117 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 118 Review Review [Interruption.] The Secretary of State is now in his On that note, I should mention that many of my place. I thank him for his letter to me and a few other constituents work at the MOD personnel centre in Members last week, which came with a glossy booklet Kentigern house in Glasgow. I imagine that it will be that seems to have been commissioned since his tempting to target cuts at so-called backroom staff. The appointment. In his letter, he writes: Secretary of State should know, however, that the previous “The importance of defence within constituencies, but also Government had already reduced the number of MOD across the country as a whole, warrants far greater attention from civil servants by a third to maintain investment in the us all.” front line, and he should be cautious of further reducing I agree, and I echo those sentiments. But to give some back-up services to front-line staff. meaning to the words, will he commit to including an I draw the Secretary of State’s attention to an excellent assessment of the economic impact on constituencies of article in today’s Financial Times by Professor Alison Wolf, any decisions made as a result of the review? in which she argues: The new Chancellor may be looking to the defence “Defence R&D matters to Britain’s manufacturing future because budget to save billions of pounds, but does he have any it offers able graduates the incentive to work as engineers and idea of the economic impact and financial cost to my scientists rather than as bankers or analysts.” constituents if he gets his way on defence cuts? That is an important point that those of us who support Britain’s manufacturing industries should bear in mind. Alison Seabeck: Does my hon. Friend agree that there Under the previous Government, the strategic review is some confusion on the Government Benches, given would have examined what our modern defence needs that the Business Secretary is clearly of the view that it are and how we can best meet them. I am afraid that is really important to keep manufacturing in the UK this Government will not follow our lead and will instead going, yet some of the changes that might come about use the strategic review as a smokescreen for cuts. could have completely the opposite effect? Yesterday I attended a service to celebrate Armed Forces day in Clydebank town hall. As this is the first Gemma Doyle: Yes, I do agree. I share those concerns, time I have spoken in this place on defence, I would like as will my hon. Friend the Member for Barrow and to put on the record my gratitude to our armed forces, Furness (John Woodcock). although my words hardly seem adequate. We now have My constituents watched the demise of their world-class an entire new generation of men and women who have shipbuilding industry under the previous Conservative seen active battle, many of whom are from my generation. Government, and I can tell the House that that might They are heroic men and women who serve their country have something to do with that party’s share of the vote with such skill and bravery. Their job is the difficult one; in West Dunbartonshire even today. It has taken not mine is only to speak up for them. years but decades to try to recover from the devastation caused by the decisions and inaction of the previous 9.3 pm Conservative Government. We are only now in the middle of regeneration works on the former site of John Rebecca Harris (Castle Point) (Con): Thank you, Brown’s shipyard. As such, Members will understand Mr Deputy Speaker, for calling me to speak this evening. my concerns, which arise not only from the prospect of I have the great privilege of representing the wonderful cuts to the defence budget but the further damage that people of Castle Point. As everyone here should know, is likely to be done to my constituency because of this it is a borough constituency on the north side of the Government’s desire to cut public spending at the expense Thames in Essex. The seat takes its name from two of of vital services. its most prominent landmarks: the ruins of Hadleigh The Secretary of State should note that some 6,000 jobs castle, which overlook the Thames, and Canvey Point, in Scotland are dependent on the aircraft carriers alone, the easternmost point of Canvey Island—a true island, along with, I believe, another 4,000 jobs in other parts below sea level, which fortunately enjoys some of the of the UK. Any slippage in the project could cost jobs lowest levels of rainfall in the country. Hon. Members and skills, and I urge him to give some reassurance to will know that the castle is the subject of a beautiful and these workers that their jobs are safe. I mentioned that haunting painting by John Constable. Indeed, I am Faslane naval base is at the other end of my constituency, often confused by people who say they are going to visit just outside it. Some 7,000 jobs are based there, and Constable country and then mistakenly head off for given that the entire submarine fleet of the Royal Navy Suffolk instead. I very much look forward to being able will be based there in future, I understand that that to show off the beauty of my constituency when Hadleigh figure will increase. downs hosts the 2012 Olympic mountain biking event. There has recently been much gnashing of teeth in Castle Point has a rich history. Canvey Island hosted the press by SNP Members concerned about the impact an early Roman settlement and was drained by Dutch of cuts on defence projects and jobs in Scotland. They engineers in the 17th century, and the Saxons fought off should stop their crocodile tears, however, because under the Vikings at the battle of Benfleet. Castle Point’s their plans for an independent Scotland, all UK defence recent political history has been no less interesting. My contracts and jobs would be lost. They advocate the immediate predecessor was Dr Bob Spink, who was an scrapping of Trident and, according to reports, would extremely active Member of the House and an enthusiastic be happy to see Faslane run down to become a small presenter of petitions. In recent years he was associated facility. What it would be doing in an independent with several parties, including a short fling with the UK Scotland I am not quite sure, but perhaps this shows Independence party as its only ever MP, however briefly. that they agree with the sentiment once expressed on He ultimately fought the election leading his own the Conservative Benches that unemployment is a price Independent Save Our Green Belt party—an important worth paying. issue in Castle Point. I have met many people whom he 119 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 120 Review Review [Rebecca Harris] turn. They lost five of their number and many more were injured. I had the privilege of receiving last week has helped over the years of his service, and he was a a briefing at county hall from their senior officers on very hard-working Member of Parliament. I wish him their achievements during the mission, and was greatly the best for the future. encouraged by the progress they have made on However, no Castle Point MP should talk about the reconstruction and development, on winning over the constituency without paying proper tribute to the late local community leaders, and on investment in the Lord Braine of Wheatley, who served the area with training of the Afghan national army and police. More great distinction for 43 years and was Father of the than 10,000 Essex people turned out last week to give House until his elevation to another place. Sir Bernard them a proper Essex welcome, demonstrating their heartfelt is still remembered with real affection, and at my first support for those who bravely put their lives at risk on meeting with a local campaign leader I was presented our behalf. with a 30-year-old copy of Hansard recording his marathon However, that support has not stopped those same three-and-a-half-hour filibuster as he strove to talk out people from asking searching questions about the mission a railway Bill that would have made more likely the and equipment, and about the care we give to the construction of two oil refineries on west Canvey marshes. injured and their relatives, both in mind and body. The development would have blighted the whole borough Some ask why we are in those locations, what we to this day. realistically hope to achieve, and whether all the money Like a lot of men, Sir Bernard seemed to have no and personnel could be better deployed in protecting great difficulty talking for three and a half hours without our domestic security in a more direct way. Like many pause. That said, he was helped by supportive colleagues others, my constituents have experienced terrorism first on the Back Benches intervening to complain, after hand and its changing character over the years. The only two hours, that he was pursuing his argument in IRA sought to detonate an oil storage tank on Canvey too hurried and superficial a way, and requesting that in the ’70s, and many of my constituents work in he please give more background and context in order London and were affected by 7/7. for them to get a better grasp of his arguments. I am I hope the defence review gives us a proper chance to happy to say that Sir Bernard and the tenacious local look hard at our priorities as we consider how best to residents won the day. The refineries were never built, make our country secure again, with the background of and one of my first public engagements as a Member of a diverse and rapidly changing security threat, and the Parliament was attending the formal opening of a superb realities of our economic circumstances. My briefing new Royal Society for the Protection of Birds reserve from the Vikings showed clearly the principle that security where one of those refineries would have stood. can be won and maintained only through the combination Bernard showed how an experienced and determined of military and policing action, negotiation and diplomacy, Member might use this Chamber to deliver real benefits and aid and investment, and that one should not undermine to the community that he represented, benefits that are or work against the other. I hope that the strategic well remembered nearly 40 years on—quite a lesson for defence and security review, while determining the future a new Member like myself. He understood the Castle shape of our defence and armed forces, will also give Point community and saw it grow rapidly as people the British public confidence that when our brave men moved there from London. In doing so, they sought to and women are sent to war on our behalf, it is for this bring up their families in the safe, green, pleasant villages country’s security interests. of Benfleet, Thundersley, Hadleigh, Canvey Island and I shall close by saying what a great pride I have in Daws Heath. That housing development, though, is representing the people of Castle Point. I offer total balanced by the presence of ancient woodlands, heathland, commitment to serving them in this House, to repay the marshes and glens and vital green belt, the preservation trust they have placed in me by sending me here. of which is hugely important to the local people, who want to ensure that Castle Point remains a peaceful and attractive place to live—a subject I will return to in 9.11 pm future debates. As Members may guess, I and my Dan Byles (North Warwickshire) (Con): It is an honour constituents are delighted at the abolition of regional to speak after so many fantastic maiden speeches, in housing targets. particular those of my hon. Friends the Members for Despite its rapid growth, Castle Point has maintained Castle Point (Rebecca Harris), for Winchester (Mr Brine), an exceptionally strong, even old-fashioned, sense of and for South East Cornwall (Sheryll Murray). I community—something that its people have preserved, congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Winchester and that I as their MP wish to help them preserve. on his wedding anniversary. Mine is tomorrow, so I know Castle Point residents are very proud of their community, the feeling of being away from family down here in and also fiercely proud of our country—even, it seems, London. It is also an honour to follow my hon. Friend of our national football team. Above all, they are the Member for Beckenham (Bob Stewart), who spoke hugely proud of our armed forces and will line the with such passion and authority on the necessity of streets for them on Saturday for Armed Forces day. I ensuring the resilience of our front-line units in Afghanistan. am delighted that this year, the 1st Battalion the Royal It is well known that the percentage of gross domestic Anglians, better known as the Vikings, will be joining product that we spend on defence is at historic lows. the parade. However, as a result of our equally historic deficit, it is The Vikings recruit in and around my constituency now likely to fall even lower. I was a soldier, and I do and are just back from a third tour of duty in Afghanistan, not want that, but I am a realist on the state of Government where they have fought bravely, helping to provide finances, so I recognise that the Ministry of Defence security to the Afghan people and to us in the UK in must take its share of the pain. I am hopeful that if that 121 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 122 Review Review is done through the prism of a comprehensive strategic Alison Seabeck: I am listening with interest to the defence and security review, we can ensure a sustainable hon. Gentleman, but from the tone of his argument, he balance between resources and requirements. seems to be suggesting that those on his Front Bench The SDSR cannot be conducted independently of a should perhaps have the opportunity to purchase off-the-peg thorough review of the defence-industrial strategy. A items from overseas, rather than from British industry. quarter of our defence budget is spent on equipment and services, and our current approach to acquisition is, Dan Byles: There is a balance to be struck. In fact, at best, a mixed bag. The urgent operational requirement before the hon. Lady intervened, my very next sentence system allows for a valuable degree of flexibility and was going to be: there is a balance to be struck between provides a way into the procurement system for our supporting our vibrant defence industry and ensuring strong phalanx of small and medium-sized defence that our soldiers get the equipment that they need in a companies, but in too many cases, the core programme timely manner. I recognise that there is a balance to be level is a disaster. At this stage, I must take issue with struck—it is not about one thing or another—but we are the hon. Member for Alyn and Deeside (Mark Tami) simply not striking it at the moment. We have to look and my hon. Friend the Member for Filton and Bradley hard at how we equip and sustain our armed forces, Stoke (Jack Lopresti), who praised the A400M aircraft. and we must do so as part of the strategic defence They said that it was a fantastic aircraft with which we and security review, not later as a stand-alone review. should be delighted to be involved. I do not doubt that I sincerely hope that that will be the case. the aircraft that finally results from the programme will be a fine aircraft, but the acquisition process that has 9.17 pm got us to this point is an example of how not to procure an aircraft. It is more than three years late and almost Ms Louise Bagshawe (Corby) (Con): I am glad to £10 billion over budget, and arguably, it is now considerably have the chance to contribute in such a vital debate and over-specced for the initial requirements. to follow so many fine maiden speeches, most recently from my hon. Friends the Members for Winchester Earlier, my hon. Friend the Member for Portsmouth (Mr Brine) and for Castle Point (Rebecca Harris). I North (Penny Mordaunt), in her maiden speech, noted greatly enjoyed hearing about the rich historical heritage that the United Kingdom has not exported a naval of Winchester, and I also enjoyed the fluent and amusing vessel since the 1970s. Type 45 destroyers were originally speech by my hon. Friend the Member for Castle Point. supposed to cost something like £280 million each, but I now know which is the true Constable country, and they now cost more than £1 billion each. Is it any I will not be fooled by anybody else’s claims. wonder, given the gold-plating that happens in our During the election campaign, defence was, perhaps procurement process, that we end up with bits of kit surprisingly, a major issue on the doorstep in my that are simply too expensive to export? It cost the constituency. There was a strong feeling that our troops previous Government £100 million simply to avoid making had gone into battle overstretched and under-resourced. a decision on the future rapid effect system for a year. I know that a strategic defence review is the only way to The frictional costs at Abbey Wood have been estimated square that circle, and I am encouraged by what I have at some £0.5 billion a year. That would pay for a heard from my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State, brigade of soldiers. and in particular his commitment to restoring our I am a strong supporter of the UK defence industry. military covenant. However, I implore the Government It is a UK good news story, employing some 300,000 people to go still further. We have heard, in many fine speeches, and representing 10% of UK manufacturing jobs, and from all parts of the House in this evening’s debate, these are high-quality jobs—they are high-tech, high-value great concern about the welfare of our troops when added jobs. The industry turnover is some £35 billion, they are off the field of battle, with the issues ranging of which 22% is from exports. However, the question from health care to mental health provision. I implore must be asked whether the current acquisition process is our coalition Government to go still further: to be bold designed to support our armed forces or our defence and to make the proverbial virtue of necessity. industry. It is supposed to do both; it is in danger of As the profligacy of 13 years of Labour Government doing neither. has necessitated this root-and-branch review, let us add I am old fashioned: I believe that the defence budget something completely new to the mix. I advocated this is there to equip and train our armed forces, and to in my maiden speech, and it would be remiss of me not support them in performing their duties at home and to advocate it again today. This country needs a Veterans abroad. The defence budget is not there to support Administration. Tracing its roots back to 1636, when industry—there are other Departments with that remit. the pilgrims of Plymouth colony established a fund to I am not even convinced that the defence industrial help disabled veterans of wars with the native Americans, strategy as it currently operates is good for our defence the modern Veterans Administration in the United industry. We have some of the most successful high-tech, States was set up in 1930 with a specifically co-ordinating highly skilled companies in the world—companies that function: to are hampered, not helped, by the MOD’s constant “consolidate and coordinate Government activities affecting war gold-plating and moving of the goalposts. The MOD veterans.” too often limits the industry’s export potential by specifying equipment that is simply too expensive and too specialised Mr Kevan Jones (North Durham) (Lab): Will the for the export market. I am not arguing for scrapping hon. Lady give way? the defence industrial strategy or for abandoning partnering between the MOD and industry, but anybody who Ms Bagshawe: I will in a second, because I believe thinks that the current acquisition programme is working that I am about to develop the point that I believe the is deluding themselves. hon. Gentleman is about to raise. 123 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 124 Review Review [Ms Bagshawe] should not have to hunt out and search for what help is available. A simple reorganisation of existing and, indeed, In 1989, President Bush senior created the Department planned benefit changes is necessary. All these things of Veterans Affairs, with a Cabinet seat in the US can and should be easily accessible in one place, and, Government. As he said, crucially, one Department should have responsibility. “There is only one place for the veterans of America, in the Other measures such as legislation—for example, I Cabinet Room, at the table with the President of the United would advocate making illegal the refusal of service at States”. hotels or hostels on the ground that a soldier is wearing Today that Department is the second largest in the US the Queen’s uniform—or educational initiatives would Government, with 280,000 employees and a budget—here help. For example, it is customary in the USA to thank I urge the Secretary of State to take heart and not to military personnel for their service—something that we flinch—of $88 billion. might usefully teach our own children. That would be effective in raising morale and would, of course, be Mr Kevan Jones: I was looking at the Secretary of totally free of cost. State’s face when the hon. Lady was saying that she wants to spend a great deal more money. Can I ask her We are embarking on a strategic defence review. Let to get out of the la-la land of the campaign and look at us review, as part of it, the wholly inadequate present what the last Labour Government did? We were the first arrangements for supporting our troops and their families Government ever to have a Veterans Minister and we when they are off the field of battle. Let the new were the first ever to have a Service Personnel and coalition Government signal their complete seriousness Veterans Agency—something that no Conservative about restoring the military covenant and the pride they Government ever provided. have in our troops. I urge the Government to go further than the piecemeal steps taken by the last Labour Ms Bagshawe: If the hon. Gentleman had allowed me Government and to take steps to examine the feasibility to develop my speech further, he would have heard me of a UK Veterans Administration. say that the cost implications are not the same for similar provisions in this country. Yes, of course there 9.23 pm was a Veterans Minister and of course some progress has been made to care for our veterans, but I think that Mr Kevan Jones (North Durham) (Lab): We have had most hon. Members, and certainly most people in the a very good debate, with 27 contributions and nine country and in my constituency, think—as has been excellent maiden speeches. The hon. Member for Fylde reflected in the speeches we have heard, including those (Mark Menzies) gave a fitting tribute to his predecessor; from Labour Members—that the care provided is totally I agree that he was a very strong advocate for the inadequate. defence industry and for BAE Systems and the Eurofighter. I am wearing today the Help for Heroes wristband. However, I feel that the hon. Member Fylde will find As my hon. and gallant Friend the Member for North strange bedfellows in his new Liberal Democrat friends, Warwickshire (Dan Byles) mentioned in his own maiden when his two major employers are the nuclear industry speech, the existence of Help for Heroes is a rebuke not and BAE Systems. only to the hon. Gentleman’s Government, but to everyone We heard a very good maiden speech from the hon. in the House, as it is properly a function of Government Member for Lancaster and Fleetwood (Eric Ollerenshaw). to care for our veterans. Its popularity stems from the He paid tribute to Joan Humble, a very good friend of fact that it is seen to be filling the gaps in state care. The mine, who did a lot of work in the House on Deepcut Ministry of Defence website includes anybody who has and welfare issues. The hon. Gentleman explained the ever fought or worn this country’s uniform, and it is tortuous way in which he gets round his constituency by estimated to reach about 10 million people in the UK, going through other Members’ constituencies. I do not which is a hefty chunk of the population. There can be envy his task when he puts in his mileage claim to the no comparison in terms of extra or additional spending Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority and for a British model of a Veterans Administration, because explains how he makes his journey. 87% of the American VA’s spending costs are for medical The hon. Member for Plymouth, Sutton and Devonport care alone, so they are already covered in this country (Oliver Colvile) paid tribute to another good friend of by the NHS. mine, Linda Gilroy. He also paid tribute to the Royal Some half-hearted attempts have been made in this Marines. When I was a Minister, I had the privilege direction, such as the Veterans UK website, which is an to visit Plymouth on a number of occasions, and we information portal, but is, to be honest, very small beer should all be proud of and humbled by the work of compared to a dedicated Department focused on the Hasler Company on recovery capability, which, I have military and their families. Many projects that are being to say, was fully supported and financed by a Labour brought forward, such as shared equity house purchasing Government. and pilot schemes for extra mental health provision, The hon. Member for Filton and Bradley Stoke (Jack which were of course announced in the Conservative Lopresti) spoke from his experience in the Territorial manifesto, as was the application of the pupil premium Army, and I thank him for his service to the nation. He to military families and their children, are in their paid tribute to the medical emergency response teams in infancy, but Rome was not built in a day. I recognise Afghanistan. I have also met the individuals involved that the previous Government did not leave us the and they do a fantastic job. I hope that they will soon money to construct a Walter Reed on UK soil. get recognition through the award of a campaign medal. Our forces, which are, of course, the best in the world, He rightly spoke about the footprint of the defence have been fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq under-equipped industry in Bristol and the surrounding area. He also and under-resourced. When they return home, they rightly lauded the doubling of the operational allowance, 125 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 126 Review Review although, on the basis of the written answer I received The right hon. and learned Member for North East this week, it is an unfunded commitment, because the Fife (Sir Menzies Campbell)—who nowadays, I have to Government do not know where the money will come say, looks a bit like the unhappy father of the bride at a from. shotgun wedding— The speech of the hon. Member for Portsmouth North (Penny Mordaunt) showed that she will be a Sir Menzies Campbell: Happily I am not paying for it. strong advocate for the Navy, and I am sure that she will be popular with the Navy in that fine city. She said that Mr Jones: The right hon. and learned Gentleman she hoped she would not have to fight for the Navy may not be paying for it personally, but I think that his against her Front-Bench colleagues. She might have to party may well do so. fight hard to support her constituency and the Royal The right hon. and learned Gentleman made a good Navy, because in opposition the Conservative party was point in saying that foreign policy clearly underpinned very Army-focused— the review. He also made a good point about finance. One thing that I think the Government Front-Bench The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Defence team will soon recognise is that the enemy is not in the (Mr Gerald Howarth): The RAF. Ministry of Defence or in its own parties, but across the road in the Treasury. Mr Jones: I agree with the hon. Gentleman’s comment It was remiss of me not to welcome members of the from a sedentary position—he was the lone voice on the Front-Bench team to their new positions. Let me also Conservative Front Bench arguing for the RAF. say that I am sad that the hon. Member for New Forest East (Dr Lewis) and the hon. Member for South West The hon. Member for South East Cornwall (Sheryll Wiltshire (Dr Murrison), who were collateral damage Murray) gave a beautiful description of what is a beautiful in the reshuffle, are no longer in that team. They worked constituency, and she is a good salesperson for her local very hard in opposition, and always dealt with me tourist board. She also paid tribute to Colin Breed, with courteously when I was a Minister. whom I served on the Defence Committee and who had a keen interest in defence matters. She mentioned I think that we have taken a simplistic approach to HMS Raleigh—if you want to see the best of British finance in the context of the review. When we were in youth, Mr Deputy Speaker, you need to go to HMS Raleigh. government, we fell into the habit of assuming that the As a Minister, I was honoured to attend a passing-out civil service was bad and the military were good. I had parade there last year, and it is humbling to see those the privilege and the great honour of being a Minister who were once raw recruits passing out, with their in the MOD, and I want to record my thanks to the civil families in tears, and going on to make a great contribution servants and the military personnel with whom I worked. to our Royal Navy. The MOD comes in for a great deal of criticism, but one thing that I would not question is the commitment The hon. Member for Redditch (Karen Lumley) made, and dedication of the individuals in that Department. It I think, a fitting tribute to her predecessor, as well as to is true that we reduced expenditure on civil servants by a very good old friend of mine, Eric Forth, who once cutting their number by 45,000, but savings will now represented the area, which I had not realised previously. have to be made across the board, and it would be She also rightly pointed out her constituency’s contribution wrong to make them in such a simplistic way. to our armed forces, and I am sure that she will be a strong advocate for that constituency. An important question that has emerged today relates to the parameters of the debate that is to take place. We The hon. Member for Winchester (Mr Brine) represents need to ask whether decisions have already been made, a strong military area, which I was fortunate to visit on and whether some areas will be ring-fenced. In opposition, numerous occasions as a Minister. One of those visits the Conservative Front-Bench team made it clear that was to launch the armed forces welfare pathway with they wanted to increase the size of the Army. My hon. Hampshire county council, with which I hope that the Friend the Member for Falkirk (Eric Joyce) said earlier new ministerial team will continue. that he would not quote things back at them. I am I have to say that the hon. Member for Castle Point sorry, but I cannot help doing so. (Rebecca Harris), in defeating Dr. Robert Spink, has In opposition, the then hon. Member for Woodspring— done a favour to us and the rainforests of South America, now the Secretary of State—was keen to ensure that we because we will no longer have to put up with the had a bigger Army. On 18 February 2008, he was asked nightly petitions he used to present. I thank her for that by Adam Boulton of Sky News: contribution to the environment. She also said rightly “So are you saying that you want… a bigger army?” that she represents her constituency with pride, and I am sure that she will do a good job. She made the He replied: point that her constituency is a large contributor of “We want to see a bigger army.” men and women to our armed forces, and I wish her That rather contradicts what he is saying now, and what well in representing that constituency. he was quoted as saying the other week in The Sunday The debate had a large number of contributions. Times—that There is usually consensus across the House in such “nothing had been ruled out—even cuts to the numbers of debates, although one would not think that if one saw uniformed personnel.” some of the press comments, or the spin that came from Are we to believe that what the Conservatives said Conservative Front Benchers, before the election. However, before the last election was just the rhetoric of opposition? this is a serious subject, and we ought to ensure that Was it not, in fact, a cynical ploy to give the impression Members in all parts of the House, as well as in the that they were the party that was standing up for the wider community, are involved in the review. armed forces? 127 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 128 Review Review Bob Russell (Colchester) (LD): May I help the hon. Dr Fox: As the hon. Gentleman agrees with the Gentleman further, and ask him to confirm that the last Government’s position on this, given his own experience Conservative Government reduced the size of the British will he enlighten colleagues as to why the previous Army, and that the Conservatives opposed the then Government came to the decision that Trident was the Labour Government’s cuts in the number of infantry most effective and cheapest way of providing us with a units? continuous at-sea deterrent? Mr Jones: Well, because it is, and we had the White Mr Jones: The hon. Gentleman may be suffering Paper in 2006 that said that. slightly from schizophrenia nowadays as he tries to My hon. Friend the Member for Barrow and Furness decide where he actually is. raised an interesting point—idea that we can play stop-go with the building of nuclear submarines is wrong; instead, Bob Russell: I know where I am. we need to keep the skills base together. People must recognise that key point. That policy is what led to the Mr Jones: Perhaps the hon. Gentleman does, but problems we are currently facing with Astute. The options I am sure that he will have some tough decisions to were looked at in detail and it was found that, in terms make over the next few weeks. of the procurement of warheads and of the boats We must also ask whether the size of the Navy is themselves, Trident is the most cost-effective way to proceed. sacrosanct. In the same article in The Sunday Times, the However, I must ask the Minister for the Armed current Secretary of State asked: Forces whether, in terms of the review, we are talking “Have we cut the surface fleets too much in order to buy about basic principles or simple value for money? A yes high-end capability?” or no answer will suffice. Alternatively, is this, as we all That suggests that somehow the size of the Navy is suspect, simply a bit of political posturing to keep the ring-fenced. We are therefore slowly seeing whole chunks unilateralists in the Liberal Democrats on board while of the review being ring-fenced or put off-limits, so I not scaring the cold war warriors in the Tory party such question what type of review it is going to be. as the hon. Member for New Forest East? Much was said in the debate about the covenant and That brings me to the nuclear deterrent, where I must the work on that—or lack of work, as the hon. Member say we have got one whole of a dog’s breakfast. The for Corby (Ms Bagshawe) said. She should look at what Minister for the Armed Forces said before the election: we actually achieved in government, and it would be “The Labour and Conservative policy of like-for-like replacement nice if she could support and build upon that. of Trident is absurd” On value for money, the Treasury will of course look and that in detail at whatever review takes place, and it is clear “Labour wants to press ahead with a £100 billion nuclear weapons that the Secretary of State is also looking at that system designed for the Cold War and won’t even consider requirement. In the article that I mentioned earlier, he Trident in the upcoming defence review. That makes no sense.” said that there might not be so much “fat in the system” I understand from the coalition agreement that Trident as was previously thought, but that although the overall will be scrutinised to ensure value for money but, as my defence budget would be protected, dramatic savings hon. Friend the Member for Barrow and Furness would still have to be made. Between 1997 and 2008, (John Woodcock) ably pointed out, we are not quite Labour added an average £1 billion a year to the defence clear what the value-for-money review actually means. budget and there was the longest-sustained growth in Does it mean going back to the proposals of the right defence expenditure ever in this country. It is important hon. and learned Member for North East Fife for a to get some clarity tonight. If the defence review says cruise-based alternative, or is it just about tinkering there is a need for more defence expenditure, will the with the figures? The new Chief Secretary to the Treasury Secretary of State argue for that or will he simply take clearly did not have a clue when he addressed the House an inflation increase, which would effectively be a cut in last week. In response to my hon. Friend the Member the defence budget? for Barrow and Furness, he said: The right hon. Gentleman knows that I was responsible “The hon. Gentleman has no doubt studied carefully the for personnel issues within the Department. There has coalition programme…The value-for-money review will do precisely been much criticism in the past few weeks about bloated what it says on the tin: we want to get the best value for money public sector pay and pensions. Armed forces personnel from the project and not waste taxpayers’ money unnecessarily on are public sector workers, although we do not see them the renewal.”—[Official Report, 17 June 2010; Vol. 511, c. 1049.] as such, and it will be interesting to see whether he will Everyone would agree with that, but are we reopening exempt them from the pay restraint being suggested. Is what the Liberal Democrats were putting forward? he going to implement fully the recommendations of the Armed Forces Pay Review Body, as we did in the Eric Joyce: I wholeheartedly agree with my hon. last Government? On pensions, will he exempt armed Friend. Does he not think that Labour should conduct forces pensions from the review that is taking place? If its own review in opposition and include Trident in it? he is looking for hopeful signs from the former Member for Barrow and Furness, Mr John Hutton, let me tell Mr Jones: Well, no, I do not, because I have to say him that when I suggested that we should look into this, that I agree with the Conservative Front-Bench team Mr Hutton was the one who scuppered it and then went that we must make sure to replace Trident. I must also against the permanent secretary who recommended say that my hon. Friend threw me a little when he said that the issue should be looked at. in his speech that he was now supportive of myself and As my right hon. Friend the Member for Coventry other former Ministers; I am glad he has turned over a North East (Mr Ainsworth) said earlier, we welcome new leaf in opposition. the responsible way in which we will make a contribution 129 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 130 Review Review to this debate. However, there is still confusion around that was attended by my right hon. Friend the Member what programmes are included in all this and about the for Rayleigh and Wickford (Mr Francois), my hon. finance. For five years, the Secretary of State has been Friend the Member for Rochford and Southend East going around promising larger Armies, bigger Navies, (James Duddridge) and me. Will the Minister join us in better accommodation and higher pay. Some of his congratulating the regiment on its achievements? In Front-Bench team have even called for higher defence particular, will he ensure that the troops from the expenditure, although I notice that he has never offered battalion who were injured in the conflict will be properly a penny more in relation to any of those commitments. cared for? Will he now, with his party and its new Liberal Democrat friends, be straight not only with the armed forces but Nick Harvey: I entirely endorse the hon. Gentleman’s with the country? We need an effective strategic defence comments. It was a particularly distinguished tour of and security review not just to meet our commitments duty, and the homecoming parade, which I have read at home and abroad, but also to do the right thing by about in his local newspaper, and which was mentioned the men and women who daily put their lives at risk on earlier by the hon. Member for Castle Point (Rebecca our behalf. Harris), was certainly very notable and shows the depth of appreciation in the communities for the work that 9.42 pm those forces did. The Minister for the Armed Forces (Nick Harvey): It is imperative that we continue to build up the size This has been a frank and important debate at a crucial and strength of the Afghan national security force. time for defence. Many of us will remember Thursday That is the direct route, ultimately, to our troops coming afternoons in the last Parliament when defence debates home. Sometimes that is not as well understood as it were typically rather poorly attended by the same people could be. While conducting our strategic defence and making—I hope it is not too rude for me to say this—the security review, we must not lose sight of the importance same speeches. It has therefore been very welcome to of explaining our mission in Afghanistan. We cannot see so many new faces here and to have that participation. make the mistake of assuming that all future conflicts We look forward to seeing a huge improvement in our that we will be involved in will be like the conflict in defence debates to come. Afghanistan, but in deciding what our armed forces The strategic defence and security review gives us the should look like, we must consider what the most likely opportunity to look afresh at the role we see for our operations that they will be asked to undertake are. In armed forces in the 21st century. It is a chance for us to that sense, the review will be policy led. harmonise defence policy, plans, commitments and There has to be a balance between supporting the resources. There is a good deal of consensus in the needs of today and being prepared for whatever tomorrow House on the need for change and there is recognition might bring. There are many potential tasks that we of the need to take difficult decisions. There is may wish our military to undertake—each will have its probably even quite a lot of agreement about what own requirements and could be very different indeed some of those decisions will have to be. However, we from what is going on in Afghanistan—but we cannot also have to be aware that the nature of the review and fool ourselves into thinking that we can do everything. the difficult decisions that have to be taken mean that In that sense, the strategic defence and security review we will not be able to please everyone. My ministerial must necessarily be financially aware. colleagues and I are grateful for the thoughtful contributions A number of hon. Members have asked questions that have been made today on a wide range of topics, about how the review will be conducted. Among others, and we will consider them further as the review moves my right hon. and learned Friend the Member for forward. North East Fife (Sir Menzies Campbell) specifically More broadly, we are engaging with the defence asked about the timing of the review, and suggested community as a whole—with industry and academics that it was being conducted very swiftly. I acknowledge as well as with the charities and volunteer groups that that it is being conducted swiftly, but the reason for that support our efforts. That will include giving an important is quite simply the financial predicament that the nation voice to members of the armed forces, as the Secretary faces, and the fact that a comprehensive spending review of State highlighted earlier. The crucial thing is for will take place this October. If we were to wait until defence as a whole to emerge stronger from the review. after that to start the strategic defence and security If it is to do that, we cannot make changes at the edges. review, we would inevitably end up doing so within a Efficiency savings can be made, but they alone will not financial envelope given to us by the Treasury. fix the structural difficulties in the Ministry of Defence’s By conducting the strategic defence and security review finances, so we will have to face up to the realities and first, we can make a case to the Treasury on the basis of prioritise. the foreign policy that has been set out, the security Structural problems can be resolved only by structural assessment that has been arrived at, and a number of solutions. The review will therefore grapple with detailed programmes of work on what the armed forces’ fundamental issues. We face a more unpredictable security structure and configuration will need to be to meet situation than we have had for many decades. In those foreign policy and security requirements. There is Afghanistan, which I visited last week, there are clearly clearly an absolute necessity to do that first, so that we many challenges, but I have seen for myself that real can battle our corner within the comprehensive spending progress is being made. review from a position of strength, with a thought-through, strategic position for defence, not by chasing along Mr David Amess (Southend West) (Con): On Thursday, afterwards to an agenda that has already been set for us. 1st Battalion the Royal Anglian Regiment— the Vikings— For that reason, it is absolutely right that we have to get held a post-Afghanistan homecoming parade in Southend on and do it as quickly as we can. 131 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 132 Review Review Bob Russell: Can the Minister say whether he and his safeguarded from it, but equally, no decisions have yet team, as they battle on behalf of the men and women been taken that should give any of those Members who serve in Her Majesty’s armed forces, will ensure specific cause for alarm. We are embarking on a that there will be no cuts in the modernisation programme comprehensive piece of work. It is right that they should for housing single soldiers and families? articulate their concerns, but we cannot arrive at the conclusions at this stage, when we have not embarked Nick Harvey: I hope very much that all Members on the piece of work. who have taken part in the defence debate today and On the time scale, which Opposition Members are think of themselves as part of the defence community asking about, the work streams are now in place. Hon. in Parliament will all fight shoulder to shoulder to Members—and everybody else—have the opportunity ensure that defence gets the best possible outcome, as to contribute and make whatever representations they we all compete for very limited resources in the coming wish to make. If there are hon. Members who feel that months. To that extent, I very much hope that this issue they are under-informed, and want more information will not be too divisive between parties, and that we can to inform representations that they might make during help each other towards that goal. the review, they need only let us know. Ministers have an open-door policy, and Members are welcome to any Mr Watson: I am delighted to see the Minister in his further information that they feel they need. post. Will he clarify the position on the mental health screening of personnel? His junior, the Under-Secretary Angus Robertson: During the previous Parliament, of State for Defence, the hon. Member for South the Labour Government provided statistics on employment Leicestershire (Mr Robathan)—a demoted former shadow and expenditure throughout the nations and regions of Deputy Chief Whip—made a Horlicks of it on Radio 4, the UK. Will the new coalition Government give a and we do not know whether the Government are in commitment to continue producing those statistics? favour of mental health screening or not. What is the position? Can the Minister put his junior right, please? Nick Harvey: Yes. Whatever information right hon. and hon. Members need in order to make representations Nick Harvey: The simple answer is that the Government to the review— have promised a new approach to mental health services to support the armed forces. The Prime Minister has Angus Robertson: Is that a yes? asked the hon. Member for South West Wiltshire (Dr Murrison) to establish the most effective way of Nick Harvey: That is a yes. Hon. Members need only improving the care that we provide. On mental health ask for any information that they need. screening, clinical experts have advised that further A variety of Members, including the shadow Defence research is necessary before any new plans are put in Secretary, raised the issue of Trident. I think that I place, so we are looking into the matter, but we will should clarify as best I can, because there seems to be come back to the hon. Gentleman and the House on some confusion—or perhaps I should say that some that subject in due course. people seem moderately determined to be a little A number of hon. Members have, understandably, confused—about the value-for-money review of the raised various points of local interest in their constituency, existing plan for the Trident successor. It is a value-for- or matters of particular interest to themselves, and that money study of the existing plan. If the study were to is entirely right. That, after all, is the point of devoting conclude that a particular aspect of the existing plan an entire day’s debate to the strategic defence review. did not represent good value for money, it might start I was completely baffled to hear an Opposition Member looking at different ways of doing things, but I have to ask when Parliament would get the opportunity to stress that it is not a review in which we look at all the debate the strategic defence review; he was saying that possible alternative ways in which we might provide a in the middle of a full day’s debate on it. successor, and see which works out the cheapest. It is a Let me say to the hon. Members for Portsmouth progress report on the work taking place on the Trident North (Penny Mordaunt) and for Plymouth, Moor successor project. The Ministry of Defence work on View (Alison Seabeck), who made points on behalf of that should be completed by roughly the end of next the Navy; to the hon. Member for Fylde (Mark Menzies), month. The report will then go to the Cabinet Office, who referred to Typhoon; to the Scottish National and ultimately these things will be decided by the National party spokesman, the hon. Member for Moray (Angus Security Council. Robertson), who talked about the situation of Scottish This afternoon we heard eight or nine maiden speeches, industry; to the hon. Member for Dunfermline and to which it is my happy duty to respond. If I have West Fife (Thomas Docherty), who raised the issue of missed any, I can only say, with great apologies to those the carriers; to the hon. Member for Filton and Bradley who made them, that they spoke with such aplomb and Stoke (Jack Lopresti), who talked about the important assurance that I did not recognise them as maiden aerospace industries in his constituency; to the hon. speeches. The hon. Member for Fylde told us, among Member for Lancaster and Fleetwood (Eric Ollerenshaw), other things about his constituency, that Blackpool who talked about the Territorial Army in his constituency; players tend to live in his patch. I congratulate them on and to the hon. Member for West Dunbartonshire reaching the premier league, and I wish them every (Gemma Doyle), who talked about the ship industry, success next season, as I wish him success in his seat. that we quite understand why they made the points that The hon. Member for Lancaster and Fleetwood discussed they did. I cannot offer any promises or any comfort to the neglect of rural areas and the decimated fishing anybody at this stage. We are just embarking on a industry. I certainly recognise those problems, and I am genuinely comprehensive review. Nothing is completely sure that we will hear a lot more from him about them. 133 Strategic Defence and Security 21 JUNE 2010 Strategic Defence and Security 134 Review Review The hon. Member for Plymouth, Sutton and Devonport always been his wish to retire at the end of the strategic (Oliver Colvile) gave us an account of Plymouth’s naval defence and security review, which was history, and discussed the work of Combat Stress and “an obvious point at which to make the transition.” others in dealing with the human fallout. He asked I quite understand that, while it was thought that that whether Ministers would come to Plymouth, and I can review would last until the middle of next year, it might reassure him that I am going there this weekend as part have been assumed that that was the point at which he of the armed forces day celebrations, so it is not being was going to resign. However, given that, in fact, it will ignored. be concluded at the end of October, that is the natural point for him to go. He has no hard feelings about that; The hon. Member for Filton and Bradley Stoke told it is a perfectly civilised departure, and we thank him for us about the importance of defence industries in his his very fine service. [Interruption.] Any suggestion constituency. He told us that he had served in Helmand, that he has been picked out as a result of sympathies for and he promises to be a strong advocate for troop the previous Government must come from people who welfare. The hon. Member for Portsmouth North (Penny have not met him. Sir Jock Stirrup is about the least Mordaunt) stressed her naval heritage by pointing out likely closet socialist anyone would ever come across— that she had been named after a naval cruiser—that will [Interruption.] take some beating. She urged us not to be sea-blind, and I can assure her that we will not be. Her point about the Mr Speaker: Order. I apologise for interrupting the exportability of new naval craft was extremely well Minister of State, but if Members wish to intervene made, and it is something to which the Government are they should seek to do so in the conventional way, and committed. they have to put up with the results. We cannot have incessant wittering from sedentary positions. The hon. Member for Redditch (Karen Lumley), as was said, made the place sound quite idyllic. I acknowledge Nick Harvey: There were many other thoughtful her tribute to her predecessor. The hon. Member for contributions— South East Cornwall (Sheryll Murray) gave a charming Mr Ainsworth: Will the Minister give way? account of her constituency, and made a generous tribute to her predecessor Colin Breed—I thank her for Nick Harvey: No, I am in the last minute of the doing so—and to Bob Hicks, the Member before that, debate. whom we all remember fondly. The hon. Member for There were many other thoughtful contributions, and Winchester (Mr Brine) gave us a geographical tour of I particularly agreed with the hon. Member for Harwich his constituency, with which I am familiar. He told us and North Essex (Mr Jenkin) that future battles will not how Chandler’s Ford and Hiltingbury had moved from all be like Afghanistan. When the Secretary of State one constituency to another. As a native of Chandler’s says that there are legacies of the cold war that have to Ford, and indeed Hiltingbury, I am aware of that change, be laid to rest, that does not mean that we will focus and I wish him well in his representation of the seat. entirely on Afghanistan and what Afghanistan entails. The hon. Member for Castle Point (Rebecca Harris) We must be prepared, as the hon. Member for New gave us a worthwhile reminder of where Constable Forest East (Dr Lewis) said, for whatever the future country is. might hold for us and whatever the case might be in three decades’ time. That will be the watchword of the I should like to respond to the points made by the defence review. As we look at all our capabilities across shadow Defence Secretary, which I did not think were the board, we will try to be ready for any eventuality— justified, about the departure of Sir Jock Stirrup as Chief of the Defence Staff. I remind the right hon. 10 pm Gentleman that Sir Jock Stirrup himself said that it had Motion lapsed (Standing Order No.9(3)). 135 21 JUNE 2010 Housing Development (Swindon) 136

Housing Development (Swindon) I have mentioned ongoing development, but we face Motion made, and Question proposed, That this House the spectre of more and unsustainable development in do now adjourn.—(Angela Watkinson.) several forms. To the east of the A419, the eastern development area has been developed by the local authority 10.1 pm in response to the unsustainable housing target imposed Mr Robert Buckland (South Swindon) (Con): This is upon it by the regional spatial strategy—12,000 homes a great opportunity to address the House this evening in an area that is too small. It represents too high a on a subject that at first blush may seem of only local density and the sort of urban extension that, rather like importance, but which is of wider importance not only the layers of an onion, creates more problems for existing regionally but nationally. I am grateful to hon. Members infrastructure and residents. To the immediate west of for staying to listen to my remarks. In particular, I am my constituency in north Wiltshire, we face thousands grateful to my hon. Friend the Member for Castle Point more homes being earmarked on land areas immediately (Rebecca Harris), who made her maiden speech this adjoining west Swindon. The problem there is compounded evening. She has been a redoubtable campaigner on this by not only the lack of infrastructure, but the fact that important issue—the quality and scale of housing any planning gain, in the form of section 106 moneys, development in her area and nationally. My hon. Friend will be retained by another local authority. In other the Member for Milton Keynes South (Iain Stewart) words, Swindon will have to take all the pain while faces the same challenges as we face in Swindon. having none of the gain. That is yet another urban To the west, Swindon is bordered by the constituency extension to the west. of North Wiltshire. My hon. Friend the Member for Is that a spatial strategy? Of course it is not. There is North Wiltshire (Mr Gray) shares a deep concern about no regard whatever for the need for rural buffers, and what is happening to his rural hinterland. To the east, no understanding of the importance of the words the Wantage constituency is represented by the Under- “sustainable development”. If we are to translate those Secretary of State for Culture, Olympics, Media and laudable sentiments into something real, we must Sport, my hon. Friend the Member for Wantage acknowledge that it is time for a different approach. (Mr Vaizey). He, too, has become increasingly concerned I thoroughly welcome the Government’s commitment about the potential effects of uncontrolled and unsustainable to the withdrawal of the RSS and housing targets, but development. we are now walking—this is my principal worry and the The issue is not only for academics and planners. For main reason for tonight’s debate—into a potential planning the ordinary residents of my town, it is becoming the vacuum. Like politics and nature, planning abhors a most important issue in their lives. Swindon has doubtless vacuum, and already we see developers making planning benefited greatly from expansion and growth in recent applications locally: 800 homes to the immediate west decades. Many would agree that its economic success of Swindon, on the Ridgeway Farm area; and 950 homes was underpinned by that growth. However, it has now just to the east, on the much-loved Coate country park. reached the stage where it is difficult to discern which These applications are being made for a reason: planners comes first, rather like the chicken and the egg—is it believe that into the vacuum something must fall, and housing development that engineers growth, or is it the that something is the existing housing figures and the wider economy? I am clearly of the view that it is existing evidence that was presented to the inquiry in economics and the country’s economic situation that public in 2006. fuels the growth of towns such as Swindon, and that housing development, important though it is, is not the Andrew Percy (Brigg and Goole) (Con): I congratulate engine of economic growth. my hon. Friend on securing this debate. I do not represent We in Swindon are increasingly in danger of moving Swindon or Wiltshire, but this is an issue in other parts from a system of predicting growth and then providing of the country. He talks in particular about the vacuum houses, to one of providing houses and hoping, like that exists. Although in my constituency we are grateful Mr. Micawber, for something to turn up. Until the that the regional spatial strategy has gone, we are unsure election and the welcome change brought about by the as to where the local development framework is heading. new coalition Government, we in Swindon were facing We have the reverse situation, with small communities an extra allocation of 37,000 new homes in only 16 years, being deemed unsustainable when we know that they 2026 being the target date. We already have thousands are sustainable. of new homes being developed both to the north and to the south of the town, and many of those who live there Mr Buckland: My hon. Friend makes a very important do not work in Swindon. point. Into the vacuum that is being created by the The question that many local people are rightly asking current change will fall, to my great concern, applications me and others is, “Who is going to live in all these new that will seek to take advantage of current evidence. We homes?” Another question they rightly ask is, “Where is need quick action from local authorities to change their the infrastructure going to come from? Who is going to approach. But as well as scrapping the RSS and housing pay for that?” The pressure on road infrastructure, targets, we need to get rid of the system of five-year drainage and existing services could become so unbearable land supply. At a stroke, that system continues to cause that Swindon risks being strangled by inappropriate problems for local authorities when allowing them genuine expansion. Even allowing for the recent recession, housing autonomy in making planning decisions. My worry is development locally has proceeded at a breathtaking that that system will be used by applicants and developers pace. Although we are nowhere near the heady heights to force local authorities into having to grant wholly of the middle of the past decade, when more than unsuitable applications. It would be tragic if, despite the 2,000 homes a year were being completed, average coalition’s excellent work in freeing up councils to make house completions locally have reached 1,100 to 1,200 a local decisions, they were left still hoist by that petard. year for the past 15 years or so. Local planning with financial incentives for allowing 137 Housing Development (Swindon)21 JUNE 2010 Housing Development (Swindon) 138 development, and incentives for working with neighbouring developers to secure the area’s adoption quicker, because councils to deliver growth figures for the Swindon travel- they would then be able to reclaim their bond. Let us to-work area, represent the best way forward for a not forget that, while the area is unadopted, local residents sustainable Swindon that works well for all its residents still pay council tax. and businesses. However, I welcome the Government’s announcements I am not opposed to organic growth and expansion, on the ability to create lower-density developments. but I am opposed to command and control time During my 10 years as a councillor I found the previous frames and targets that make a mockery of sustainable situation very frustrating, in that I could protest if a development. We should let councils get on with the development were not high enough in density, but not if job. Let us forget about 2026 and 37,000 new homes. it were not low enough. I also support the powers to Let us trust local authorities to earmark areas for defend gardens through our anti-garden-grabbing policies. sustainable development with the consent and involvement We are moving in the right direction, and my hon. of local residents in order to create a Swindon that Friend the Member for South Swindon and I will be works. I look to the new Government for their strong strong advocates of those two development prongs. support for that new approach to planning and housing development not only in Swindon, but nationally—one that rewards sustainable development and encourages 10.14 pm developers to build wisely and well. The Minister for Housing (Grant Shapps): I congratulate Mr Speaker, earlier I notified you that I wished my my hon. Friend the Member for South Swindon hon. Friend the Member for North Swindon (Justin (Mr Buckland) on securing this debate, which is excellent Tomlinson) to contribute to this debate, bearing in and timely, given all the changes in housing and planning, mind his obvious interest and concern, so I shall now and given what is going on in Swindon. I am tempted to resume my seat. say that he has done such a great job, there is almost nothing that requires a response. He has simply nailed the subject in a manner that has eluded the packed 10.11 pm Labour Benches. [Laughter.] Despite having professed Justin Tomlinson (North Swindon) (Con): I thank my great interest in housing over the years, Labour Members hon. Friend the Member for South Swindon (Mr Buckland) have let themselves down this evening by failing to turn for giving me the opportunity to contribute to this up at all. Adjournment debate, which is extremely important for As my hon. Friend the Member for North Swindon our town. It is a real credit to my colleague that he has (Justin Tomlinson) mentioned, I went to Swindon the secured this debate so early in the parliamentary cycle, other week, and I found a place that is keen to build and I thank also the Minister, who visited Swindon more homes. It has made a name for itself by building within days of the new Government being formed. not just a few, but tens of thousands of new homes, I wish to highlight two issues. In my maiden speech developing new communities and putting in infrastructure. I touched on the first problem, which is associated with It has seen some of the key advantages of sustainable high-density developments. They produce a lack of development, but now it has a problem. The previous open space for activities involving jumpers for goalposts Government insisted that there could almost never be and, in particular, young children’s sporting activities. enough homes in Swindon and that the only way to That in turn leads to increased levels of childhood convince locals, who had already produced so much obesity and, potentially, to antisocial behaviour, because additional housing, to build more, was to introduce their endless enthusiasm is not burned off. I have further top-down targets. They thought that the way to do that concerns about shrinking gardens, which have fallen in was to divide the targets up, through the regional spatial size by about one third since the 1960s, and we also have strategy, into a figure. problems with a lack of parking provision. Residents That was simply unsustainable from the point of are creative and will find their own parking spaces, view of infrastructure or of bringing in the right kind of including on pavements and roundabouts, which creates vibrancy or sustainability to Swindon and the surrounding a real nightmare, particularly on school runs, as mothers area—“Greater Swindon” we might call it. When we have to push their prams and pushchairs on to the main were in opposition it seemed to us that no matter how road. That is very dangerous, and emergency vehicles much we explained that to Ministers in the previous often cannot gain access to certain roads. Government, they could not understand how or why The second problem is unadopted roads. Developers, the harder we push down from above and the more we as they sell houses on the new roads, make every effort try to impose housing targets, the fewer homes get built. with maintenance, but during the delay between the last It is a question of human nature. If we tell someone house being sold and the area being adopted maintenance to do something, give them no choice and exclude them levels all too often fall away. It often takes far too long from the decision-making process, they are much more for areas to be adopted, and there is seemingly no likely to object to the overall plan. By contrast, as my incentive for developers to complete their task quickly. hon. Friend the Member for South Swindon so clearly Despite the glossy sales brochures that they put out identified in an eloquent and purposeful speech, we promising all sorts of glorious infrastructure, it either should give people the option, the tools and the benefits arrives late or not at all. On that issue, I would push for of development. We have a proposal to provide on an stronger powers to create a bond scheme, into which ongoing basis six years’ worth of council tax for every developers would have to pay in advance of a development. single new home that is built, and 125% match funding If they did not keep to pre-agreed levels of maintenance, when it is an affordable home. That means that we are the local authority could carry out the work and deduct saying to local people, “When you build homes, you will the cost of it from the bond. That would encourage get not only the additional housing and a bit of the 139 Housing Development (Swindon)21 JUNE 2010 Housing Development (Swindon) 140

[Grant Shapps] in the area. Instead, the incentive scheme will link this directly with the aspiration in the area to build more inconvenience that that might bring, but new infrastructure homes. No longer will we have growth point funding, and facilities and a sense of ownership, because you will with its random delivery based on the whim of the latest decide whether the homes are built or not.” Minister—and Housing Ministers tended to come and I should like to address a number of specific questions go very quickly under the previous Government—in that have been raised; they were well made and absolutely wanting to deliver more money to their chosen project to the point, and they helped to explain the coalition or pet area. Instead, funding is guaranteed and locked Government’s policy in these areas. There is the question into the housing incentive. of the five-year land target. In the previous Administration’s I was very attracted to a new idea put forward by my view, unless local authorities planned for five, or even hon. Friend the Member for North Swindon in relation 15, years’ worth of land availability for housing, land to what happens when a new estate is developed. Like simply would not become available. That is because him, I have a lot of new housing in my constituency, they simply did not trust people. and I am afraid that the issue of adoption rears its ugly By contrast, we have said that, with the abolition of head. One finds time after time that, although these regional spatial strategies, we will ensure that the incentive developments have been finished for five, six or seven scheme is all that is required to guarantee that local years, the basic services are not available. For example, authorities will want to look a reasonable distance in there is no way of ensuring that police can come and advance to decide whether they need to make land police the roads because the roads have not been properly available. That can be done according to local objectives, adopted. Dealing with issues such as speeding, antisocial with local plans in mind and without reference to behaviour and repairs to vital services is often a huge regional spatial strategies imposed on the area by national struggle for local residents. I was interested by my hon. Government. Friend’s idea of a bond scheme of some type. I will take that away and have a further think about how it could I confirm to my hon. Friend that, although we will be implemented. not impose five-year plans, we freely expect that many councils will want to adopt them. They may want to It would be wrong not to mention the comments by look ahead, mainly for reasons of their own financial my hon. Friend the Member for Brigg and Goole and sustainable development, to see whether they want (Andrew Percy) about housing in a rural context. I to pinpoint land because they will know that a large think that to the west of Swindon, on the Wiltshire chunk of their funding will be down to their decision border, there is a proposal for 3,000 properties on a about how much development they want in their area. I rural site and therefore connected to this debate. Our confirm to my hon. Friend that the decision will be a plan is to introduce local housing trusts, which means local one. trusting local people to decide whether they want to grant themselves planning permission in order to build My hon. Friend made a great contribution and raised properties in that location. So if people want to save a number of key issues. As Swindon has got bigger and their local school, which might be struggling with only a its population has grown, density has become an issue. half form entry, save a post office, or keep a convenience As he rightly identified, gardens have got smaller, properties store in the village, all those things not only become have got smaller, and garden grabbing has become all possible but are in the hands of local people in that too common. We simply have to put a stop to the more rural setting. My hon. Friend made a very valuable situation. Indeed, we will put a stop to the situation. We contribution. have already announced that garden grabbing is to end, and that gardens will, properly, be described as greenfield, which they so obviously are, not brownfield, as the Mr Buckland: The issue of the 3,000 homes immediately previous Government insisted that they should be described. to the west of my constituency is all about the urban Instead, people should be allowed to identify, on a local extension nightmare versus the local vision that my basis, the density of housing that is right for their right hon. Friend has been elucidating. Instead of a community. Those in Swindon, who are admirably pro- rural buffer with a sustainable rural settlement, we are sustainable development, will no doubt come to a perfectly facing yet another extension of Swindon into open balanced and justifiable decision about how dense housing countryside, with all the problems that that will engender. should be in future. It is worth touching on what my hon. Friend the Grant Shapps: I certainly recognise the problems that Member for North Swindon said about the lack of my hon. Friend describes, and the interesting thing is infrastructure that too often accompanies developments. that I just do not think it needs to be like that. It is a Where a planning authority is going to give the go-ahead matter of fact that other countries have already discovered the new housing, it will be able to make a simple the value of what we are now implementing. In future, calculation. It will take the amount of council tax that under our incentive scheme, local authorities will not will be collected from the band of house that is to be push development away across the border. In fact, they built on that site by a developer and multiply that by six, will want to welcome it into their areas. Why? Because and then it will know precisely how much money there there will be six years’ worth of council tax incentive will be over that period of years to invest in infrastructure, there for them if they accept it on their side of the fence. local facilities and services. So the guesswork is gone. Already in places such as Sweden and Germany, areas No more will we have the randomness of the housing vie to allow people to build homes, and under our planning delivery grant, doled out by Ministers from scheme that can happen here in our country, too. this Dispatch Box in random circumstances for the past Where homes are on the boundary of two different few years without anybody having a clue as to how on authorities, is it not right that there should be an earth that was accountable to the actual level of delivery agreement between those authorities? Should they not 141 Housing Development (Swindon)21 JUNE 2010 Housing Development (Swindon) 142 come to some sort of settlement? We will ensure that In doing so, it will want to examine its budgets and give there is a duty to co-operate. In other words, one proper consideration to the next five, 10 or 20 years, or authority—Swindon or Wiltshire in this case—could whatever time it thinks appropriate for the needs of its not simply build all its homes along its boundaries. community, not some random date of 2026 prescribed Instead the authorities would have to co-operate with in a regional spatial strategy. It will be able to ask itself, each other, and we will ensure that the local plans to “Is this appropriate or not, and how much development achieve that are signed off. needs to be done to ensure that we have the budgetary means to sustain our area?” I happen to know that Swindon’s local development framework is now out for consultation and therefore In other words, for the first time there will be a quite close to being filed. The previous system of local properly joined-up system that not only puts local people development frameworks was so incredibly complex back in control of their housing but provides proper that very few local authorities in the country—just incentives to ensure that in future, rather than people in 16%—ever got around to filing them, despite the fact any area being told where, when and how to build that they have been around and worked on for the past homes, and how many to build, local people and localism four years. The one in Swindon is close, and it will now will dictate the shape of future communities. be for Swindon borough council to decide whether it Question put and agreed to. wishes to go back and have another look at it before filing it, and what it wants to do with the housing 10.27 pm demands placed on it under the regional spatial strategy. House adjourned.

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to learners; and the contribution which each applicant’s Written Ministerial proposals make to the regeneration of their local community. Projects will be expected to meet exacting Statements design standards, ensuring a built legacy of which all concerned can be proud. The Skills Funding Agency and an expert panel will Monday 21 June 2010 assess and prioritise all applications, with a view to announcing successful bids by the end of this summer. Crucially, all projects will have to be completed in time for learners to benefit from the new facilities by the start BUSINESS, INNOVATION AND SKILLS of the 2011-12 academic year. I will be writing today to all Members of Parliament Further Education Investment regarding this important announcement, and asking them to encourage eligible local colleges to apply for this new fund. The Minister of State, Department for Business, Innovation and Skills (Mr John Hayes): On 24 May it was announced that a further £50 million would be invested in further National Minimum Wage education infrastructure to support the development of new college facilities. This is in keeping with the Government’s determination to make further education The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Business, a key priority. Innovation and Skills (Mr Edward Davey): I am pleased In that spirit, I am pleased to inform Parliament that to announce that the Government have today written to the Government are today launching the College Investment the Low Pay Commission setting out the remit for their Fund, and that the Skills Funding Agency will from 2011 report. I would also like to take this opportunity today begin the process by which this extra resource is to set out our response to the Commission’s 2010 report to be invested. which was published on 25 March 2010. Many colleges up and down the country are still The remit for the Low Pay Commission’s 2011 report reeling from the effects of the crisis last year in the The Low Pay Commission is asked to: capital investment programme, which forced a review Monitor, evaluate and review the NMW and its impact, with by Sir Andrew Foster that criticised particular reference to: “failures in the general management and financial management the effect on pay, employment and competitiveness in the low of the Learning and Skills Council”. paying sectors, with particular reference to the competitiveness While this Government are unable to undo the previous of small firms; mismanagement of the FE capital programme, I fully the effect on the pay structures and employment of different recognise the crucial significance of ensuring the teaching groups of workers, including in particular different age groups, and learning facilities in our further education colleges women, ethnic minorities, people with disabilities and migrant are up to date and fit for purpose. workers. Indeed, I am determined to ensure that colleges across Review the labour market position of young people, including Britain are the best they can be. those in apprenticeships and internships. Review the levels of each of the different minimum wage rates That is why the Government are so keen to support and make recommendations for October 2011. those colleges that did not previously benefit from large-scale public investment. For that reason, the Review the arrangements for the apprentice minimum wage. £50 million additional capital will be available to all Report to the Prime Minister and the Secretary of State for those further education colleges that have received less Business, Innovation and Skills by the end of February 2011. than £5 million in total grant support from the Learning The Low Pay Commission’s 2010 report and Skills Council since 2001. The main recommendations put forward by the Low Today, the Skills Funding Agency will write to all Pay Commission concern the rates of the minimum eligible further education colleges and confirm that wage and an apprentice minimum wage. The Commission they will each receive a share of a £30 million renewal have recommended that the adult hourly rate of the grant. This will support 153 colleges across the country minimum wage should increase from £5.80 to £5.93 and that have yet to benefit from significant capital funds. reaffirmed the recommendation in their 2009 report Each will receive approximately £225,000. I am advised that the adult rate should also apply to workers aged 21. that such investment is expected to facilitate considerable They have also recommended increasing the development additional private finance. rate (which will cover workers aged 18-20 years) from £4.83 to £4.92 and that the rate for 16-17 year olds The remaining £20 million will be made available to moves from £3.57 to £3.64. They recommend that these colleges through an enhanced renewal grant. Approximately changes take place in October 2010. 20 colleges will have the opportunity to add to their renewal grant, by bidding to build their total allocation The Commission has also recommended that there to £1 million. Again it is anticipated that these grants should be a single apprentice minimum wage rate of will leverage substantial additional private finance, providing £2.50 per hour for those apprentices currently exempt final projects of significant value. from the national minimum wage; that is, all those Applications for the enhanced renewal grant will be under the age of 19 and those aged 19 and over in the assessed using key criteria, including the existing condition first 12 months of their apprenticeship. of bidding colleges’ estates and facilities; resulting benefits The Government accept these recommendations. 3WS Written Ministerial Statements21 JUNE 2010 Written Ministerial Statements 4WS

In addition, the Government accept the Commission’s ACCEPT recommendations that there should be specific guidance Compliance and Enforcement on the national minimum wage for the entertainment We recommend that the Government commit, as a sector; and that HMRC investigates whether contract minimum, to maintaining current funding in real terms and agency cleaners in the hotel sector are receiving for monitoring and enforcement of the national minimum their entitlement under the national minimum wage for wage until at least March 2014. their hours worked. TheGovernmentnotetheCommission’srecommendation NOTE that there should be a commitment, as a minimum, to The Government consider that effective enforcement maintaining current funding in real terms for monitoring of the national minimum wage is extremely important; and enforcement of the national minimum wage until at however we do not believe that it would be appropriate least March 2014. to accept a recommendation that would commit the Government’s response to individual recommendations in Government to the allocation of resources for future the Low Pay Commission’s 2010 report years. National Minimum Wage rates Copies of the Low Pay Commission’s remit and the We recommend that the adult minimum wage rate Government’s response to the Commission’s 2010 report should increase from £5.80 to £5.93 from October 2010. have been placed in the Libraries of both Houses. We recommend that the youth development rate should increase from £4.83 to £4.92 and that the 16-17 Year Old Rate should increase from £3.57 to £3.64 from ENVIRONMENT, FOOD AND RURAL AFFAIRS October 2010. We recommend that the accommodation offset should increase from £4.51 to £4.61 per day from October Inland Waterways 2010. ACCEPT The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Apprentices Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Richard Benyon): We recommend that non-employed apprentices are I am pleased to be appointed as Waterways Minister as excluded from the apprentice minimum wage and continue I am familiar with the public benefits the waterways to be exempt from the national minimum wage. provide and I am making this statement to set out how I We recommend that the apprentice minimum wage intend to take forward inland waterways policy for be applied as a single rate to those apprentices currently England and Wales. The Government consider civil exempt from the national minimum wage. That is all society has a very valuable role to play in delivering those under the age of 19 and those aged 19 and over in public services as part of our commitment to creating a the first 12 months of their apprenticeship. The wage big society. We will therefore be continuing to look in should cover both those employed on traditional contracts detail at whether a third sector model would be appropriate of apprenticeship and employed apprentices on for British Waterways, including the possible inclusion government-supported level 2 and 3 schemes. of the Environment Agency’s navigations as the other We recommend that all hours of work and training navigation authority grant aided by Government. My (relating to both on-the-job and off-the-job) under an Department will be engaging a wide range of stakeholders apprenticeship should be counted as hours for which in this work, and liaising with the Scottish Government. the apprentice wage must be paid. All hours should be However I must make clear that, given the Government’s paid at the same wage rate. overriding objective of reducing the financial deficit, no We recommend that the apprentice minimum wage decisions on such a change will be taken until after the be set at an hourly rate. forthcoming spending review. In the light of this I have also decided not to proceed now with a new Government We recommend the apprentice wage is set at a rate of waterways strategy and I will review the situation following £2.50 per hour and is introduced from October 2010. the spending review. We recommend that in England transitional arrangements are put in place so that current apprentices retain a contractual entitlement to at least £95 per week for the remainder of their apprenticeship or until they FOREIGN AND COMMONWEALTH OFFICE are entitled to the national minimum wage. We recommend that the Government include the review of the apprentice minimum wage rate and EU Documents arrangements in our annual terms of reference. ACCEPT The Minister for Europe (Mr David Lidington): In the Particular Groups of Workers interest of the House and on behalf of Government I We recommend that the Government produce, in am depositing in the Library a full list of explanatory conjunction with interested parties, sector-specific guidance memorandums submitted by the Government from 12 April on the national minimum wage for the entertainment to 9 June. This covers the period of dissolution and the sector. subsequent weeks during which the parliamentary scrutiny We recommend that HMRC investigates whether Committees have not met. contract and agency cleaners in the hotel sector are I will also deposit a full list of EU documents deposited receiving their entitlement under the national minimum by the Government in the Library of the House during wage for their hours worked. the same period. 5WS Written Ministerial Statements21 JUNE 2010 Written Ministerial Statements 6WS

I would invite members to examine both these lists additional treatment. Making hospitals responsible for and to raise any questions of policy in the usual way or a patient’s ongoing care after discharge will create more via correspondence. It is vital that the House has a joined-up working between hospitals and community chance to scrutinise the work of Government and to services and may be supported by the developments in consider policy. This is particularly true of our EU re-ablement and post-discharge support. This will improve business. quality and performance and shift the focus to the As noted by the Foreign Secretary to the House on outcome for the patient. 3 June, we are looking to improve parliamentary scrutiny These are the only changes I am making in-year. The of decision-making in Europe and ahead of ministerial remainder of the NHS operating framework 2010-11, Councils. which was published on 16 December 2009, still stands and I expect the NHS to play its role when partnership approaches are needed to secure better outcomes. HEALTH

NHS Operating Framework HOME DEPARTMENT The Secretary of State for Health (Mr Andrew Lansley): Today I am publishing a document setting out the revisions to the NHS operating framework for 2010-11. Control Order Powers Report The document has been placed in the Library and copies are available to hon. Members from the Vote The Secretary of State for the Home Department Office. (Mrs Theresa May): Section 14(1) of the Prevention of In now moving towards a health service which puts Terrorism Act 2005 (the 2005 Act) requires the Secretary patients at the heart of decision-making, which focuses of State to report to Parliament as soon as reasonably on quality and outcomes not processes, and with more practicable after the end of every relevant three-month devolved responsibilities, this short document sets out a period on the exercise of the control order powers number of areas subject to immediate change. during that period. The Department will cease to centrally performance- The level of information provided will always be manage the previous Government’s targets on 18-week subject to slight variations based on operational advice. waiting times and access to primary care. More clinically The future of the control order regime relevant accident and emergency indicators will be developed The document “The Coalition: A. Programme for for 2011-12. Locally led plans should deliver improvements Government” released on 20 May 2010 and available to in median waiting times and access. view at: http://programmeforgovernment.hmg.gov.uk sets The coalition Government are committed to stopping out the Government’s plan for the next five years. In top-down reorganisations of the NHS that have got in that statement the Government stated that the way of patient care. To that end, a moratorium is in “We will urgently review control orders, as part of a wider review place for future and ongoing reconfiguration proposals. of counter-terrorist legislation, measures and programmes”. All current and future reconfiguration proposals will This review is now being taken forward as a priority. We need to meet four new tests as I set out in the document; will report the outcome of the review to Parliament in and can go forward, if and when they do so. due course. I shall set out that primary care trusts (PCTs) should The exercise of the control order powers in the last accelerate the process to transform community services quarter with clear deadlines. As explained in previous quarterly statements on I have asked each strategic health authority (SHA) control orders, control order obligations are tailored to region to now go further, faster, to release all possible the individual concerned and are based on the terrorism- resources to meet demand and quality challenges. The related risk that individual poses. Each control order is overall ceiling for management costs in PCTs and SHAs kept under regular review to ensure that the obligations will now be set at two thirds of the 2008-09 management remain necessary and proportionate. The Home Office costs (£1,509 million), the ceiling will therefore be continues to hold control order review groups (CORGs) £1,006 million. In aggregate, PCTs and SHAs will need every quarter, with representation from law enforcement to save at least £222 million in 2010-11 and a further and intelligence agencies, to keep the obligations in £350 million by the end of 2011-12. every control order under regular and formal review I am asking NHS organisations to ensure that and to facilitate a review of options for bringing each they demonstrate similar discipline to central control order to an end while managing the risk to the Government on consultancy, marketing and information, public. During this reporting period, two CORGs were communications and technology spend, recruitment, held in relation to the orders currently in force. In and centralised procurement for goods and services. addition, further meetings were held on an ad hoc basis The number of best practice tariffs shall be expanded as specific issues arose. where payment is linked to best practice care, as well as During the period 11 March 2010 to 10 June 2010, expanding the list of never events so that no payment is two non-derogating control orders were made with the made for services, which compromise patient safety. permission of the court and served. Three control orders I announced on 8 June 2010 my intention to make were renewed in accordance with section 2(6) of the hospitals responsible for patients 30 days after discharge, 2005 Act in this reporting period. In this reporting one of the key health commitments in the coalition period there was one revocation of a control order on agreement. If a patient is re-admitted during that time, the direction of the court on the basis that the court the hospital will not receive any further payment for the considered that the order was not necessary. 7WS Written Ministerial Statements21 JUNE 2010 Written Ministerial Statements 8WS

At the end of the reporting period 12 control orders Home Department v. BX, handed down on 10 May were in force, 10 of which were in respect of British 2010, the court upheld the decision to relocate BX on citizens. All of these control orders were non-derogating. the grounds that his removal from his extremist associates Four of the individuals subject to a control order were was properly regarded as necessary for purposes connected living in the Metropolitan Police Service area; the remaining with preventing or restricting BX’s involvement in individuals were living in other police force areas. During terrorism-related activity and proportionate. this reporting period, one individual has been charged Another judgment was handed down in relation to with breaching his control order obligations; and one BX by the Court of Appeal, on 4 May 2010. The court set of criminal proceedings for breach of a control dismissed BX’s appeal, holding that the High Court had order were concluded following a CPS decision that reached a proper decision in concluding on the material prosecution was no longer in the public interest. that there were strong grounds for an urgent relocation During this reporting period, 43 modifications of and in setting early hearings for disclosure and for the control order obligations were made. Ten requests to appeal. The court found that (other than in a rare case modify control order obligations were refused. not so far identified) the proper and appropriate route of challenging a modification decision is by way of a Section 10(1) of the 2005 Act provides a right of statutory appeal under the 2005 Act and that an appeal against a decision by the Secretary of State to interlocutory application for an injunction can be made renew a non-derogating control order or to modify an under section 10 of the Act. obligation imposed by a non-derogating control order without consent. Three appeals under section 10(1) of One further individual previously subject to a control the 2005 Act have been lodged with the High Court order has been granted permission to appeal to the during this reporting period. A right of appeal is also Court of Appeal. provided by section 10(3) of the 2005 Act against decisions Most full judgments are available at: http://www. by the Secretary of State to refuse a request by a bailii.org/. controlled person to revoke their order and/or to modify any obligation under the order. During this reporting period two appeals have been lodged with the High WORK AND PENSIONS Court under section 10(3) of the 2005 Act. Social Fund Consultation Closes One judgment has been handed down in relation to substantive judicial review proceedings under section 3(10) of the 2005 Act during this reporting period. In Secretary The Minister of State, Department for Work and of State for the Home Department v. AN, handed down Pensions (Steve Webb): The consultation on the proposals on 12 March 2010, the court directed the Secretary of set out in the Green Paper “Social Fund Reform: debt, State to revoke the control order on the basis that the credit and low income households” (Cm 7750) closed court considered that the order was not necessary. No on 7 June 2010. I would like to thank those who took further detail can be given for legal reasons. the time to respond. Sixty-eight responses were received One judgment has been handed down in relation to in total; 64 from organisations and four from individuals. proceedings under section 10(3) of the 2005 Act during The Government will now consider the responses as this reporting period. In Secretary of State for the they develop proposals for wider welfare reform. 1P Petitions21 JUNE 2010 Petitions 2P

In deciding which locations to identify for waste Petitions facilities in their Local Development Plan documents, waste planning authorities should assess their suitability Monday 21 June 2010 against established criteria. These criteria will include the physical and environmental constraints on development, existing and proposed neighbouring land uses, and any OBSERVATIONS significant adverse environmental impacts on environmental quality. It is important, however, that any strategies and plans do not prejudice the achievement of local or ENVIRONMENT, FOOD AND RURAL AFFAIRS national waste management targets, and to ensure that options for reuse, recycling and composting are explored Incinerator (Croydon) first. The Petition of the people of Croydon, South London Joint Waste Development Plan Declares that the construction of an incinerator on Document: Beddington Lane, Sutton, would not be in Croydon’s Croydon, Kingston, Merton and Sutton are working interests. together to prepare the South London Waste Plan. The Petitioners therefore request that the House of There have been three stages of consultation on the Commons urges the Government to take steps to investigate plan. The most recent consultation, covering Additional alternative sites for the incinerator or alternative means Sites, closed in March 2010. It is intended that the final of disposing of waste in an environmentally friendly version of the South London Waste Plan will be published manner. for consultation in October-November 2010 and submitted in February 2011. And the Petitioners remain, etc.—[Presented by Mr Andrew Pelling, Official Report, 30 March 2010; All waste facilities are subject to environmental Vol. 508, c. 789 .] monitoring and regulation by the Environment Agency. Emissions from municipal comply, with stringent standards [P000811] applied through the Waste Incineration Directive (WID). Observations from the Secretary of State for Environment, The directive applies to all incineration technologies Food and Rural Affairs, received 18 June 2010: and limits, as far as practicable, pollution by emissions into air, soil, surface and groundwater, and the resulting The Government are working towards a zero-waste risks to human health, from the incineration of waste. economy. The revised Waste Framework Directive sets The Environment Agency requires that such plants out an order of priority in which waste should be monitor a range of pollutant substances continuously. managed. Preventing waste, and reusing and recycling as much as possible of what is produced takes precedence, If the former hon. Member has general concerns but there will always be some residual waste that cannot around the emissions levels of modern waste facilities I be reused, recycled or composted. Studies have shown would point him to two recent reports, by the Health that recovering energy from this waste, by conventional Protection Agency September 2009 and by Professor incineration and other more advanced technologies such Jim Bridges February 2010. Both independent reports as gasification, results in less greenhouse gas emissions reach the same conclusion that there is no significant compared to the alternative of disposal in landfill. risk to public health from incinerator emissions. Producing energy from this waste also counts towards The South London Waste Partnership has been allocated our renewable energy targets by displacing fossil fuel private finance initiative (PFI) credits for their waste power generation. management solution. It must be noted that when It is the responsibility of local authorities to decide authorities apply for PFI credits, they have to demonstrate how waste is managed in their respective areas. Local how their proposal will support the whole waste authorities need to be free to procure technologies that hierarchy—from increasing recycling and composting can contribute to an integrated solution for local waste. rates, to improving waste minimisation and increasing It is the role of the relevant local planning authority to diversion from landfill. All projects are expected to consider the planning application, ensuring that local consider the carbon footprint of their technology choice, planning policies are adhered to. and are encouraged to achieve the greatest carbon benefits.

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Dr Fox [holding answer 17 June 2010]: The operational Written Answers to allowance is drawn in part from the Government Reserve, and in part from the core Defence budget. This reflects Questions the priority this Government places on repairing the Military Covenant and properly supporting our armed forces in Afghanistan. It also acknowledges that although Monday 21 June 2010 the MOD budget has been protected in 2010-11, it is vital that all Departments prioritise resources to the front line and assist in the key task of reducing the debt inherited by the new Government. CHURCH COMMISSIONERS Church of England: Rivers Dr Francis: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence how many fatalities of Welsh service personnel there have been in Afghanistan since the commencement of Mr Thomas: To ask the hon. Member for military operations in that country. [2906] Middlesbrough, representing the Church Commissioners whether the Church Commissioners own navigation Dr Fox: Data on the place of birth of all military rights over any navigable rivers; and if he will make a personnel are not held centrally and could be provided statement. [3164] only at disproportionate cost.

Sir Stuart Bell: As far as I am aware, the Church Dr Francis: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence Commissioners do not own any special navigation rights. how many injuries there have been to Welsh members By way of a statement, where they own a river or part of the armed forces in Afghanistan since the thereof, they own the usual rights of access or, where commencement of military operations in that country; applicable, fishing or mooring rights. However these and how many of those members of the armed forces rights do not override the general right of the public to who were injured were transferred to the UK for navigate. treatment. [2907]

Dr Fox: Data on the place of birth of all military DEFENCE personnel are not held centrally and could be provided only at disproportionate cost. Afghanistan: Peacekeeping Operations Mr Ellwood: To ask the Secretary of State for Jonathan Edwards: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what the UK’s contribution will be to the Defence how many people have been killed by drones forthcoming surge in the Kandahar area of operated by UK forces in Afghanistan in each of the Afghanistan; and if he will make a statement. [2920] last five years. [1526] Dr Fox [holding answer 17 June 2010]: The combined Dr Fox: The Ministry of Defence does not record ISAF and Afghan mission in Kandahar province aims figures for insurgent or civilian casualties in Afghanistan to increase the presence of the Afghan Government and because of the immense difficulty and risks that would increase security in targeted areas to allow the Government be involved in collecting robust data. to provide essential services for the local population. Every effort is made to avoid civilian casualties and The number of Afghan and ISAF forces has increased we do investigate all claims of civilian fatalities bought to provide deeper security and governance in Kandahar to our attention. Any that are the result of action by City and wider districts. This will be followed by further UK armed forces are always a matter of profound expansion of ISAF troops later this summer. Our regret. contribution as part ISAF in that area continues to include the core headquarters staff of Regional Command (South) for which the command will pass, as planned, Mr Ellwood: To ask the Secretary of State for to the US later this year. Defence for what districts in Helmand Province the UK will have lead responsibility for security after As the Prime Minister said in his statement to the General Mills assumes command of Regional House on 14 June, this Government will provide regular Command (South West). [2147] updates to the House on the progress we are making in Afghanistan. Dr Fox [holding answer 14 June 2010]: Alongside our Afghan partners in Combined Forces Helmand, the Mr Ainsworth: To ask the Secretary of State for UK has lead responsibility for security in Lashkar Gah, Defence (1) with reference to the Prime Minister’s Nahr-E Saraj and parts of Nad-E Ali district. UK announcement of 10 June 2010, what estimate he has troops reporting to the US Marine Corps Regimental made of the number of additional counter-improvised Combat Team 2 working alongside their Afghan partners explosive devices teams the additional £67 million will in Combined Force Sangin also have responsibility for fund; [3172] the majority of Kajaki and Sangin districts. (2) with reference to the Prime Minister’s announcement of 10 June 2010, how the additional Mr Kevan Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for £67 million to be provided to counter-improvised Defence from what budgets funding will be drawn to explosive devices (IEDs) will be allocated between double the operational allowance for armed forces expenditure on (a) armoured vehicles and (b) personnel serving in Afghanistan. [2780] counter-IED teams. [3173] 3W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 4W

Dr Fox: The allocation of up to an additional £67 million Phases one and two have shown that the health and from the reserve to support the campaign to counter the wellbeing of the UK armed forces is in general good improvised explosive device (IED) threat in Afghanistan, and that there was no overall significant increase in announced by the Prime Minister on 10 June, will make mental ill-health as a result of operational deployment, a considerable contribution to operational capability. although effects were seen in both reservists and those For reasons of operational security, I am not able to in combat roles. comment on the number of counter-IED (C-IED) teams in theatre. However, the additional funding announced Armed Forces: Pensions by the Prime Minister will allow us to equip a significant increase in that number. The additional funds include Mr Llwyd: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence approximately £40 million for more protected vehicles (1) whether ex-servicemen’s (a) war and (b) for use by our C-IED teams; the remainder will be used occupational pensions are suspended during any to enhance other critical capabilities, including more period of imprisonment in the UK; [3354] remote control vehicles, and enhancements to our military (2) which organisations or Government departments working dog capability. are responsible for maintaining records of the Aircraft Carriers suspension of ex-servicemen’s (a) war and (b) occupational pensions; [3355] Mr Davidson: To ask the Secretary of State for (3) how many (a) war and (b) occupational Defence whether any Minister in his Department pensions of ex-servicemen were suspended at the most examined the break clauses on the aircraft carrier recent date for which figures are available. [3356] contract (a) on their first day in office and (b) subsequently. [2987] Dr Fox: Under the Armed Forces Pension Scheme (AFPS) pensions are not normally stopped on Peter Luff: The Secretary of State announced on his imprisonment. A pension could be withheld at the first day in office that the Ministry of Defence would point of leaving the armed forces if the individual was conduct a Strategic Defence and Security Review to going direct to jail for at least 10 years for acts such as review all aspects of defence capability. As part of that treason or breach of the Official Secrets Acts. Post ongoing work all equipment programmes are subject to service, it is possible, at the discretion of the Secretary review and re-approval scrutiny. of State, that a pension could be forfeited in very particular circumstances, however the position of Once this review is complete, Ministers will be examining dependants would also be considered. in detail the mechanisms for implementing the review’s outcomes. Under the War Pension Scheme (WPS) pensions are normally withheld if the term of imprisonment is Armed Forces: Mental Health Services more than 12 months or detention in psychiatric facilities as a result of a criminal conviction. The pension is Bridget Phillipson: To ask the Secretary of State for restored upon release and twelve months of basic pension Defence how much funding his Department (a) has arrears paid. Where hardship can be shown up to half allocated in the last five years and (b) intends to pension can be paid to dependants. Guaranteed income allocate in the next five years to the King’s Centre for payments made under the Armed Forces Compensation Defence Medicine; and if he will make a statement. Scheme (AFCS) are not stopped during a term of [2635] imprisonment. The Service Personnel and Veterans Agency is responsible Mr Robathan [holding answer 15 June 2010]: The for administration of the AFPS, the WPS and the question on the funding of King’s Centre for Defence AFCS and details of suspension are held against the Medicine is presumed to be referring to the work of individual’s records. No AFPS pensions are known to King’s Centre for Military Health Research with whom, be in suspension. The total number of WPS pensions in in 2003, the MOD commissioned research into the suspension is not held in a reportable format and the health of military personnel deployed to Iraq. In 2006, number could be provided only at disproportionate the study was extended for a further three years and cost. broadened to include all subsequent Iraq deployments as well as deployments to Afghanistan. This research Armed Forces: Private Education programme now follows a cohort of over 20,000 serving and former members of the armed forces. Earlier this Mr Hanson: To ask the Secretary of State for year the study was extended for a further three years to Defence pursuant to the answer of 14 June 2010, maintain the database and further explore the data Official Report, columns 248-49W, on departmental obtained in phases one and two. private education, how many service personnel of each MOD funding to the King’s Centre for Military rank qualified for assistance under the continuity of Health Research to conduct the Health and Wellbeing education allowance in each year; and how much was Survey since 2003 and going forward is as follows spent on each educational establishment which (exclusive of VAT): provides places funded under the scheme in each year. [3178] Contract period Funding (£ million)

May 2003 to May 2006 2.585 Mr Robathan: The number of service personnel in September 2006 to January 2010 2.310 each rank who received continuity of education allowance February 2010 to January 2013 1.260 during financial years 2007-08 and 2008-09 was as follows: 5W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 6W

Financial year 2007-08 The table does not include those individuals on Army rank or equivalent Number permanent non-operational postings outside the UK. Lt/2nd Lt 10 Personnel on operational deployments will be shown Capt 620 against their most recent station location. Maj 1,070 Armoured Fighting Vehicles Lt Col 1,140 Col 470 Mr Ainsworth: To ask the Secretary of State for Brig 180 Defence how many armoured vehicles he has ordered Maj Gen 40 since May 2010. [3060] Lt Gen 10 Peter Luff: The total number of armoured vehicles Gen 1— ordered since May 2010 is 28. The contract for the Pte (Class 1-3) 40 Wolfhound Tactical Support Vehicles was amended in L/Cpl 40 early June 2010 to include an additional 28 vehicles. Cpl 360 Sgt 660 Mr Ainsworth: To ask the Secretary of State for S/Sgt 720 Defence what his timetable is for the selection of a WO2 360 prototype for the light protected patrol vehicles. [3119] WO1 290 Total 6,010 Peter Luff: Bids in response to the Invitation to Tender for the Light Protected Patrol Vehicle were Financial year 2008-09 returned on 15 June 2010. These responses are currently Army rank or equivalent Number being assessed by the Department, with the intention to place a contract for the first batch of vehicles in late Lt/2nd Lt 10 summer. Capt 610 Maj 1,040 Astute Class Submarines Lt Col 1,150 John Woodcock: To ask the Secretary of State for Col 480 Defence whether he plans to review the contracts for Brig 160 (a) the fifth and (b) the sixth Astute-class submarine Maj Gen 40 as part of the Government’s review of contracts placed Lt Gen 10 since January 2010; and if he will make a statement. Gen 1— [2791] Pte (Class 1-3) 40 L/Cpl 40 Peter Luff: The Government reassessed spending Cpl 370 approvals granted between 1 January 2010 and the Sgt 640 general election. This included consideration of the S/Sgt 710 decision to commit to the Initial Build of Astute Boat 5 WO2 400 and Long Lead Procurement Activities associated with WO1 280 Astute Boat 6, contracts worth some £332 million. The Total 5,990 review concluded that these contracts should proceed. 1 Fewer than 5. It should be noted, however, that in the context of the Notes: 1. Where personnel have been promoted during a financial year, only their most Strategic Defence and Security Review, the Secretary of senior rank has been counted. State has set work in hand to review all major equipment 2. Rounding has been applied to all figures. Totals have been rounded separately and support contracts to ensure the future programme and therefore may not equal the sum of their rounded parts. is coherent with future defence needs and can be afforded. Accurate details of the educational establishments for which the continuity of educational allowance has AWE Aldermaston been paid to service personnel in each financial year are Mr Mike Hancock: To ask the Secretary of State for not held. Defence whether he has taken steps to establish whether development of the proposed new Armed Forces: Wales hydrodynamics facility at AWE Aldermaston is consistent with the recommendations and actions from Dr Francis: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence the 2010 Non-Proliferation Treaty Review Conference. what the percentile ratio is of those serving in the [3615] armed forces in (a) Wales and (b) other constituent Peter Luff: Proposals for a replacement hydrodynamics parts of the UK. [2905] facility at AWE Aldermaston have been developed to ensure full compliancy with our non-proliferation treaty Mr Robathan: The information requested is given in (NPT) obligations. the following table: Defence 1 April 2010—percentage of armed forces personnel by area of posting Percentage Mr Carswell: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence pursuant to the answer of 7 June 2010, Wales 1.5 Official Report, column 178W, on defence, if he will England 76.7 publish a list of senior personnel from his Department Scotland 6.3 working in the team when its final membership is Northern Ireland 2.2 determined. [2693] 7W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 8W

Dr Fox: The work within my Department for the Gross revenue Strategic Defence and Security Review (SDSR) is being Ship Date Country (£/¤) led by the Director General Strategy, Tom McKane, and coordinated by the Head of the Strategy Unit, Paul HMS Penelope March 1991 Ecuador £14,584,000 Vincent Devine. HMS Danae 1— 1— 1— Total financial £16,984,000 A number of other senior staff in the Department are year 1990-91 also participating in the SDSR in their areas of expertise.

Defence Equipment: Sales HMS Attacker November 1991 Lebanon £730,000 HMS Hunter 1— 1— 1— HMS Striker 1— 1— 1— Dr Murrison: To ask the Secretary of State for HMS Fencer 1— 1— 1— Defence what the nationality was of purchasers of (a) HMS Chaser 1— 1— 1— ships, (b) vehicles and (c) aircraft purchased through RMAS Throsk November 1991 Ecuador £200,000 (i) the Disposal Services Authority and (ii) e-disposals, RMAS 1— 1— 1— by monetary value of purchase in each year for which Waterside figures are available. [2351] RMAS Green April 1992 Indonesia £6,000,000 Rover Peter Luff: Since 1982 the following ex-Royal Navy Total financial £6,930,000 year 1991-92 and ex-Royal Fleet Auxiliary vessels have been sold to other countries by the Disposal Services Authority (DSA) or its predecessor organisations. HMS Ariande May 92 Chile £3,000,000 RMAS Blue March 1993 Portugal £5,500,000 Rover Gross revenue Ship Date Country (£/¤) Total financial £8,500,000 year 1992-93 HMS Lynx February 1982 Bangladesh £1,500,000 HMS Norfolk February 1982 Chile £8,200,000 HMS July 1993 Pakistan £59,334,000 RFA Tidepool February 1982 Chile £1,800,000 Ambuscade HMS London March 1982 Pakistan £2,000,000 HMS Amazon 1— 1— 1— Total financial £13,500,000 HMS Arrow 1— 1— 1— year 1981-82 HMS Alacrity 1— 1— 1— HMS Active 1— 1— 1— HMS Bacchante August 1982 New Zealand £11,000,000 HMS Avenger 1— 1— 1— HMS Dido August 1982 New Zealand £6,000,000 HMS Jersey November 1993 Bangladesh £950,000 Total financial £17,000,000 Total financial £60,284,000 year 1982-83 year 1993-94

HMS Antrim March 1984 Chile £8,500,000 HMS Herford July 1994 Bangladesh £3,600,000 HMS Gurkha March 1984 Indonesia £2,500,000 HMS Carron 1— 1— 1— HMS Tartar March 1984 Indonesia £2,500,000 HMS Waveney 1— 1— 1— HMS Zulu March 1984 Indonesia £3,500,000 HMS Dovey 1— 1— 1— Total financial £16,000,000 HMS November 1994 Brazil £116,000,000 year 1983-84 Broadsword HMS Battleaxe 1— 1— 1— 1 1 1 HMS Hermes April 1986 India 22,500,000 HMS Brazen — — — 1 1 1 HMS Hydra April 1986 Indonesia £2,000,000 HMS Brilliant — — — HMS September 1986 Chile £8,500,000 HMS November 1994 Brazil £3,000,000 Glamorgan Helmsdale 1 1 1 Total financial £33,000,000 HMS Humber — — — year 1986-87 HMS Ribble 1— 1— 1— HMS February 1995 India £1,650,000 Andromeda HMS Fife July 1987 Chile £12,000,000 Total financial £124,450,000 Total financial £12,000,000 year 1994-95 year 1987-88

HMS Itchen August 1996 Brazil £4,400,000 HMS Apollo May 1988 Pakistan £9,000,000 HMS Spey 1— 1— 1— HMS Diomede May 1988 Pakistan £9,000,000 HMS Arun 1— 1— 1— HMS Swallow August 1988 Republic of £4,000,000 Ireland HMS 1— 1— 1— Blackwater HMS Swift August 1988 Republic of £4,000,000 Ireland HMS Plover January 1997 Philippines £7,500,000 Total financial £26,000,000 HMS Peacock 1— 1— 1— year 1988-89 HMS Starling 1— 1— 1— Total financial £11,900,000 year 1996-97 HMS Olympus July 1989 Canada £2,660,000 Total financial £2,660,000 year 1989-90 HMS Unseen January 1998 Canada £227,400,000 HMS Unicorn 1— 1— 1— HMS Achilles November 1990 Chile £2,400,000 HMS Ursula 1— 1— 1— 9W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 10W

Additionally, the following vehicles and aircraft have Gross revenue Ship Date Country (£/¤) been sold and prices have been included where records exist: 1 1 1 HMS Upholder — — — 2008 Total financial £227,400,000 year 1998-99 ‘C’ Vehicles to Jordan armed forces totalling approximately £1.8 million in value.

HMS Bicester July 2000 Greece £10,000,000 1997 HMS Berkeley February 2001 1— 1— Six Wessex helicopters to Uruguay. HMS Orkney December 2000 Trinidad and £1,500,000 1999 Tobago Two Hercules aircraft to Sri Lanka. Total financial £11,500,000 year 2000-01 2003 Three Hercules aircraft to Austrian Air Force.

HMS Orwell June 2001 Guyana £1,500,000 2005 Total financial £1,500,000 One Hercules aircraft to Royal Netherlands Air Force. year 2001-02 The value of the aircraft sales is not available because only incomplete records exist for the period prior to the HMS Shetland August 2002 Bangladesh £8,000,000 establishment of the DSA and its transfer into Defence HMS Alderney 1— 1— 1— Logistics Organisation in April 2005. HMS Anglesey 1— 1— 1— Vessels and aircraft are not sold through e-disposals. HMS 1— 1— 1— Vehicles are, but information on the monetary value of Lindisfarne receipts from the e-disposals service is not recorded by HMS Guernsey 1— 1— 1— the DSA. The items sold under e-disposals are disposed HMS London 1— Romania £116,000,000 of by contractors who are not required to declare the HMS Coventry 1— 1— 1— breakdown of their income to the DSA. Total financial £124,000,000 year 2002-03 Defence: Procurement Ian Mearns: To ask the Secretary of State for HMS Sheffield April 2003 Chile £27,000,000 Defence how many (a) new helicopters, (b) transport Total financial £27,000,000 aircraft, (c) multi-role Typhoon aircraft and (d) new year 2003-04 warships have been delivered since 1997. [2936]

HMS Norfolk October 2005 Chile £134,000,000 Peter Luff [holding answer 17 June 2010]: Details of HMS Grafton 1— 1— 1— new air and maritime platforms, not including HMS 1— 1— 1— enhancements to existing equipments, are provided in Marlborough the following table: Total financial £134,000,000 year 2005-06 Type Number Years delivered

Helicopters HMS Sandown September 2006 Estonia £32,000,000 HMS Inverness 1— 1— 1— Apache AH Mkl 67 1999-2004 HMS Bridport 1— 1— 1— Chinook Mk2a 6 1998 Total financial £32,000,000 Chinook Mk3 8 2001 year 2006-07 Merlin Mkl 43 1997-2001 Merlin Mk3 22 2000-02 RFA Sir July 2007 Brazil £5,235,000 Galahad Merlin Mk3a 6 2008 Total financial £5,235,000 Sea King Mk3a 2 1997 year 2007-08 Transport Aircraft RFA Sir October 2009 Brazil £10,000,000 C-17 6 2001-08 Bedivere Hercules CI30J 25 1998-2001 HMS November 2009 Lithuania 2¤55,000,000 Cottesmore Typhoon HMS Dulverton 1— 1— 1— Typhoon 64 2003 to date Total financial £10,000,000 Warships year 2009-10 Type 23 Frigate 5 1997-2002 Offshore Patrol 4 2003-06 HMS Leeds April 2010 Bangladesh £2,450,000 Vessels Castle Sandown Class 7 1998-2001 1 1 1 HMS — — — (MCMV) Dumbarton Castle Landing Platform 1 1998 Helicopter HMS Roebuck May 2010 1— £4,800,000 Landing Platform 2 2003-04 Total financial £7,250,000 Dock year 2010-11 Vanguard Class 1 2000 1 Indicates brace. Submarine 2 Not all received yet. 11W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 12W

Departmental Manpower Peter Luff: Since May 2010 the Ministry of Defence has not committed to any new contracts for helicopter Mr Kevan Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for frames. Our helicopter requirements are subject to review Defence how many (a) support staff in each role in under the Strategic Defence and Security Review. theatre and (b) other civilian staff were employed by his Department on the latest date for which figures are Military Bases: Safety available. [2778] Angus Robertson: To ask the Secretary of State for Mr Robathan: The latest figure for MOD civilian Defence what steps he is taking to increase the level of staff currently deployed in theatre is 956; of these 850 safety of fuels and gases at (a) military bases in the are locally employed civilians (LECs) and 106 are in UK and (b) permanent joint operating bases; and if he support of Op Herrick in Afghanistan. These are broken will make a statement. [2620] down as follows: Peter Luff: All fuel and gas installations at UK Role Staff numbers military bases and permanent joint operating bases are Civil Secretary 1 maintained and operated in accordance with statutory Deputy Civil Secretary 2 and departmental requirements. The safety of storage Policy Adviser 7 and transportation of fuels and gases is of paramount Defence Adviser 8 importance and MOD constantly reviews and updates Commercial Officer 6 its procedures through the Defence Fuels and Gases Environmental and Safety Board. Fuel Safety Management Finance Officer 9 Plans, covering all aspects of fuel and gas safety, for Media Adviser 1 both compliance and environmental contingencies, are Operational Analyst 6 currently being revised. Any recommended improvements Scientific Adviser 4 identified will be considered during the next annual Fire Officer 1 planning round. Ministry of Defence Police 20 All MOD facilities comply with the requirements of Area Claims Officer 2 the relevant regulatory authority (Health and Safety NHS Nurse 2 Executive and Department for Environment, Food and Archivist 2 Rural Affairs Scottish Environment Protection Agency Graphics Officer 1 in Scotland). The Government Pipeline and Storage Defence Estates Project Manager 4 System facilities also comply with the Dangerous Substances Defence Support (DSG) 30 and explosives Atmosphere Regulations 2002. All Oil Locally Employed Civilians (LECs) 850 and Pipeline Agency storage depots and pipelines have been assessed for risk, and adequate and effective measures The total number of civilian staff employed by MOD, are in place to deal with any incident that might arise. including LECs, and those mentioned above is 85,590. Angus Robertson: To ask the Secretary of State for Mr Iain Wright: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what assessment he has made of the Defence which posts in his Department which had been recommendations of the Safety, Environment and filled by uniformed personnel were changed into Sustainable Development Report 2009 by the Defence civilian posts in the last five years. [2816] Environment and Safety Board; and if he will make a statement. [2655] Mr Robathan [holding answer 17 June 2010]: The information requested is not held in a format that Mr Robathan [holding answer 16 June 2010]: On allows cross comparison. To produce the comparison behalf of the Secretary of State, the 2nd PUS chairs a requested would incur disproportionate cost. Defence Environment and Safety Board (DESB) which Departmental Reviews monitors and reviews performance, and provides assurance to the Defence Board on the effective operation of risk management and internal control systems. The DESB’s Andrew Miller: To ask the Secretary of State for Safety, Environment and Sustainable Development Report Defence pursuant to the answer of 8 June 2010, 2009 was assessed by both the Defence Audit Committee Official Report , column 137W, on Government and the Defence Board. The Defence Board noted the departments: reviews, what reviews his Department is priorities in the DESB report and stressed its determination (a) (b) undertaking; and what the purpose and to do all that it could to continue improving the timescale of each is. [2590] Department’s Health and Safety performance. Dr Fox: The Coalition Agreement sets out in detail the Government’s future plans, including the key reviews Unmanned Air Vehicles it will be undertaking. My Department will bring forward detailed information about these reviews in due course. Mr Carswell: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence what the monetary value is of the contract for Military Aircraft: Helicopters the delivery of Mantis Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs); what criteria were used by his Department in Mr Ainsworth: To ask the Secretary of State for deciding to award the contract; what alternatives to the Defence how many helicopter frames he has ordered Mantis UAVs were considered; and if he will make a since May 2010. [3059] statement . [2694] 13W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 14W

Peter Luff: There is no contract for the delivery of Participation in Debate Mantis Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs). Mantis was a one-off concept demonstrator programme that has 10. Greg Hands: To ask the Leader of the House now successfully concluded. what assessment he has made of the effectiveness of the House’s procedures in enabling more hon. Members to participate in debates. [3031] PRIME MINISTER Mr Heath: The use of time limits on speeches has Iraq Committee of Inquiry enabled more hon. Members to be called in popular debates. I would welcome any further ideas the hon. Mr Llwyd: To ask the Prime Minister whether the Gentleman may have. Chilcot Inquiry on the war with Iraq will be able to withhold publication of evidence on grounds other than national security; and if he will make a statement. [2826] CULTURE, MEDIA AND SPORT

The Prime Minister: The Protocol agreed between the Football Club Governance previous Government and the Inquiry sets out both the arrangements under which the Inquiry may request that 15. Chi Onwurah: To ask the Secretary of State for the Government declassify documents for the Inquiry’s Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport what steps he public use, and the grounds on which such requests may plans to take to reform football governance rules to be refused. support the co-operative ownership of football clubs by supporters; and if he will make a statement. [3008] Ministerial Policy Advisers Hugh Robertson: The Government will encourage the Mr Watson: To ask the Prime Minister pursuant to Football Association, Premier League, and Football the written ministerial statement of 10 June 2010, League to work closely together to improve the governance Official Report, column 32WS, on special advisers, and regulation of the game. This includes exploring what the roles and responsibilities are of each special better ways to involve supporters in their local clubs. adviser listed in the statement. [2760] 18. Tony Lloyd: To ask the Secretary of State for The Prime Minister: I have nothing further to add to Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport what recent the written ministerial statement I made on 10 June discussions he has had with representatives of the 2010, Official Report, column 32WS. governing bodies of football on the governance of USA: Oil professional and amateur clubs. [3012] Hugh Robertson: I have had introductory discussions Mr Amess: To ask the Prime Minister what recent with parts of the football family covering various issues, (a) representations he has made to and (b) discussions including governance. While it is not for Government to he has had with the President of the United States on run football, I have made it clear that I expect football BP; and if he will make a statement. [2789] to address these issues internally.

The Prime Minister: I refer my hon. Friend to the Elite Sport comments given by my official spokesman on 12 June 2010. A transcript of this is available on the No. 10 website: 17. Thomas Docherty: To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport if he will meet http://www.number10.gov.uk/news/latest-news/2010/06/gulf- representatives of further and higher education oil-spill-pms-call-with-president-obama-51713 institutions to discuss their contribution to elite performance programmes in sport. [3011]

LEADER OF THE HOUSE Hugh Robertson: I would be happy to do so.

Ministerial Announcements Pornographic Imagery

9. Mr Bone: To ask the Leader of the House what 19. Mr Sheerman: To ask the Secretary of State for discussions he has had with ministerial colleagues on Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport what steps he is the provision of information on new policies to the taking to protect children from exposure to House before the media. [3030] pornographic imagery on television and the internet. [3013] Mr Heath: The Ministerial Code, issued by my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister, makes clear that when Mr Vaizey: Effective protection for children can only Parliament is in session, the most important announcements be achieved by parents, industry and Government working of Government policy should be made in the first together. Ofcom has a specific duty in relation to instance, in Parliament. broadcasting and the Government will continue to work My right hon. Friend, the Leader of the House, has with a range of organisations in promoting online reiterated the importance of this issue to Cabinet colleagues. safety. 15W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 16W

Arts Council England: Finance Mr Vaizey: A working prototype of an integrated station guide has been developed. While further refinement Kelvin Hopkins: To ask the Secretary of State for of the guide is required, we will work with manufacturers Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport what his policy is to encourage its inclusion in future devices as and when on future funding to the Arts Council; and if he will appropriate. make a statement. [3057] Helen Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for Mr Vaizey: We are committed to Government funding Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport what steps he is to the arts through Arts Council England. Our proposed taking to ensure that local radio stations which only reform of the National Lottery Distribution Fund will transmit on FM do not lose prominence as digital ensure that the arts good cause (Arts Council England, radio penetration increases. [3589] Arts Council Wales, Scottish Arts Council, Scottish Screen, Arts Council Northern Ireland, UK Film) receives Mr Vaizey: The vast majority of digital radio sets on 20% of funds in future. Current projections suggest this the market already receive FM as well as digital radio, will increase Lottery funding to the arts by £50 million but we are working with manufacturers to ensure that per year. all future digital sets incorporate FM as standard. This We recognise the importance of arts organisation will help ensure FM stations remain as accessible as operating on a mixed model of private giving, public digital stations. funding and box office receipts and will aim to help arts organisations maximise their ability to raise money Helen Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for from private sources. Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport when he next intends to meet representatives of local radio stations British Film Institute: UK Film Council to discuss the digital switchover. [3590]

Mr Bradshaw: To ask the Secretary of State for Mr Vaizey: No meetings with representatives of local Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport whether he plans radio are scheduled at present. However, we are keen to to merge the British Film Institute and the UK Film meet all key stakeholders, including representatives of Council. [3552] local radio, to consider how a transition from analogue to digital radio could be delivered in a way that meets Mr Vaizey: There are no current plans to merge the the needs of both listeners and the radio industry. UK Film Council and the British Film Institute. However, I am planning to reassess fundamentally how the Digital Economy Act 2010 Government support film in this country. I want to make sure that we are supporting the film industry so Mr Watson: To ask the Secretary of State for that it is ready for the challenges it will face in the Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport which provisions decade to come, and that we make sure every pound of of the Digital Economy Act 2010 he expects to include public money we spend gives the maximum benefit. in a legislative proposal for repeal; and if he will make a statement. [3533] Departmental Official Cars Mr Vaizey: There are no plans to repeal any provisions Mr Watson: To ask the Secretary of State for in the Digital Economy Act 2010. Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport pursuant to the answer of 2 June 2010, Official Report, column 27W, Listed Buildings: Coventry on departmental official cars, what estimate he has made of the reduction in expenditure resulting from his Mr Jim Cunningham: To ask the Secretary of State Department’s decision not to allocate cars or drivers to for Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport when he its Ministers; what the cost of using Ministerial cars expects to make a decision on the proposed listing by and drivers was to his Department in the most recent English Heritage of Coventry Market; what factors he year for which figures are available; and what is taking into account in his assessment of the alternative forms of transport Ministers in his suitability of that listing; what his most recent Department will be using to carry out official duties. assessment is of the effects on the regeneration [2959] programme for Coventry of that listing; and what his most recent assessment is of the economic viability of John Penrose: We estimate a saving of approximately the Coventry Market building. [3107] £250,000 (subject to the resolution of contracts) from the Secretary of State’s decision to cancel dedicated John Penrose: I hope to be able to make a decision on ministerial cars for this Department. The cost in 2009-10 the review of the listing decision regarding Coventry was £367,181 (gross). It is for each Minister to arrange Retail Market before the end of June. In considering their own means of transport in carrying out their buildings for listing I am only able to take into account official duties, but Ministers are encouraged to use the statutory criteria of special architectural or historic public transport where possible. interest, as set out in the Planning (Listed Buildings and Conservation Areas) Act 1990. Digital Broadcasting: Radio Music Helen Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport when he expects a Mr Iain Wright: To ask the Secretary of State for Combined Station Guide to become standard on all Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport what steps he is digital radio receivers sold in the UK. [3588] taking to assist the music industry. [2988] 17W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 18W

Mr Vaizey: The music industry is an integral part of in the north-west of which “We Play” is one. It combines the creative industries, it is a growth sector that will play digital, physical and virtual participation opportunities a major part in rebalancing the economy, so we are for people from all walks of life. determined to have the right support in place. We will therefore be working closely with the music industry on Olympic Games 2012: Renewable Energy a wide range of specific issues, including reducing online copyright infringement through the implementation of Stella Creasy: To ask the Secretary of State for the Digital Economy Act 2010. In addition, 14 community Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport what assessment music rehearsal spaces are being set up around England has been made of the effects of the cancellation of the to encourage and develop grass-roots talent. Olympic Park wind turbine on the environmental Olympic Games 2012 sustainability of the London 2012 Olympics; for what reasons the turbine was cancelled; where the Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for replacement photovoltaic panels and biomass Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport how many gasification unit will be located; when they will be meetings he has had with the Olympic Delivery installed; what consultation of local residents on the Authority on the future use of the Olympic stadium matter is planned; and if he will make a statement. following the London 2012 Olympic Games; and if he [3120] will publish minutes of each meeting. [2923] Hugh Robertson: The Olympic Delivery Authority Hugh Robertson [holding answer 17 June 2010]: The (ODA) made careful assessment of the effects of the Olympic Park Legacy Company (OPLC), rather than cancellation of the Olympic Park wind turbine on the the Olympic Delivery Authority, is responsible for environmental sustainability of London 2012 and has determining the future use of the stadium after the committed to meeting its 20% renewable energy target London 2012 Games. I have already met with OPLC to using the biomass boilers at the Energy Centre which discuss a variety of issues and they are currently undertaking will be commissioned in autumn 2010, together with a market testing exercise to gauge the commercial interest alternative options. in the legacy use of the stadium. They are keeping my The decision not to proceed with the turbine project right hon. Friend and I apprised of progress. was taken because of a number of factors in the industry, Olympic Games 2012: Cheshire including new safety legislation introduced in 2010 applying to design elements of this particular wind turbine Stephen Mosley: To ask the Secretary of State for (specifically the internal operator lift), which the preferred Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport what recent bidder’s turbine supplier for the project felt unable to assessment he has made of the likely effects of the meet before the Games. This led to them subsequently London 2012 Olympics on the economy of (a) city of withdrawing from the project. Chester constituency and (b) Cheshire West and Subsequent industry feedback on the new safety directive, Chester borough. [3085] coupled with a challenging delivery timetable, revealed a limited commercial interest in the project, and led the Hugh Robertson: I have not made a specific assessment ODA to conclude that the installation of a wind turbine of the effects of the Games on the economy of (a) city was no longer feasible. of Chester constituency and (b) Cheshire West and Chester borough. However, the north-west stands to Photovoltaic panels and a biomass gasification unit gain from the wide range of opportunities created by are among the alternative options being considered, but the 2012 Games, through businesses winning games-related no final decision about either of these has been made work, increased tourism and cultural celebrations. and a programme of consultation will be part of any required planning process. Of the Olympic Delivery Authority’s suppliers, 52 are businesses registered in the north-west, and more are winning work in the supply chains of its contractors. S4C: Finance The Old Trafford football stadium will be one of the key non-London venues, hosting football matches, and Jonathan Edwards: To ask the Secretary of State for along with pre-games training camps will provide an Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport what opportunity to create further economic benefits, including representations he has received on the compatibility of inward investment through the international attention reductions in S4C’s budget with the provisions of the that will follow. Broadcasting Act 1996; and if he will make a statement. [3049] There are 68 facilities in the region which are included in the official London 2012 Pre-Games Training Camp Mr Vaizey: I have discussed the matter with S4C and Guide and seven of these are in Cheshire or Chester. To the Wales Office. date, agreements are in place with members of the Oceania National Olympic Committees, the National I refer the hon. Member to the answer I gave him on Olympic Committee of Thailand and Australia’s swimming 8 June 2010, Official Report, column 106W. team, formalising their intentions to use facilities in the region in the run-up to the games. Scouts and Guides: Finance There are 85 games-inspired projects in the north-west which have been awarded the Inspire Mark and during Mr Amess: To ask the Secretary of State for Culture, 2012, as part of the UK-wide cultural celebrations, Olympics, Media and Sport what support his there will be live sites in Manchester and Liverpool. Department provides to the (a) Scout Association and Additionally, there are several cultural legacy projects (b) Girl Guides; and if he will make a statement. [2793] 19W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 20W

Hugh Robertson: Sport England has supported scout (2) with which New Build Homebuy schemes the and guide groups in the past through their open funding Homes and Communities Agency has entered into a streams and Sport Unlimited funding. I would encourage funding agreement to date. [2891] both sets of groups to consider applying in the future where they meet the objectives and eligibility criteria. Andrew Stunell: The overall funding allocations for Tourism: Coastal Areas the National Affordable Housing Programme announced by the Department in September 2009 and January Simon Kirby: To ask the Secretary of State for 2010 included funding for New Build HomeBuy schemes. Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport what his policy is All of those schemes have received a formal allocation on the encouragement of tourism in seaside towns and of funding. cities; and if he will make a statement. [3073] The HCA have made allocations to 2,083 New Build HomeBuy schemes since the start of the 2008-11 National John Penrose: The seaside remains an important part Affordable Housing Programme. The HCA publishes of our visitor economy. We recently announced a goal regional allocation statements for the NAHP on a quarterly to increase the proportion of UK residents’ tourism basis on their website at: spend that goes on domestic holidays to 50% of their http://www.homesandcommunities.co.uk/inyourarea total tourism spend at home and abroad, and coastal destinations and attractions can contribute significantly Jonathan Edwards: To ask the Secretary of State for to that achievement. VisitEngland are currently developing Communities and Local Government what savings a seaside resorts action plan, as part of their broader have been (a) announced and (b) proposed in planning to improve the growth and competitiveness of expenditure on the National Affordable Housing the visitor economy. Programme for (i) 2010-11 and (ii) future years. [3054]

Andrew Stunell: I refer the hon. Member to the COMMUNITIES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT announcement made by the Chancellor and the Chief Affordable Housing: Construction Secretary on 24 May with regard to the £6.2 billion of savings identified. Decisions on funding for affordable Lisa Nandy: To ask the Secretary of State for housing in 2010-11 will be made as part of the Budget Communities and Local Government how many on 22 June and for future years as part of the spending affordable homes were built in each region in each of review. the last four years. [2864] Tim Farron: To ask the Secretary of State for Andrew Stunell: The information requested is published Communities and Local Government how many in the following table. affordable homes were built in the South Lakeland Not all affordable housing is provided through new-build region in each of the last five years. [3170] completions as supply can also come from the acquisition and refurbishment of private sector homes. In 2008-09, Andrew Stunell: The information requested is published for example, a total of 55,770 additional affordable in the table. homes were provided in England. Not all affordable housing is provided through new-build The next CLG Affordable Housing statistical release completions as supply can also come from the acquisition containing figures for 2009-10 is scheduled to be published and refurbishment of private sector homes. In 2008-09, in the autumn of 2010. for example, a total of 80 additional affordable homes Additional new-build affordable home by region of England1,2 were provided in South Lakeland. 2005-06 2006-07 2007-08 2008-09 The next CLG Affordable Housing statistical release

East of 4,160 5,020 6,220 6,180 containing figures for 2009-10 is scheduled to be published England in the autumn of 2010. East Midlands 2,480 2,370 3,250 3,570 Additional new-build affordable homes located in South Lakeland district1 London 7,460 10,190 11,090 8,600 Number North East 930 1,230 820 1,300 2004-05 30 NorthWest 2,040 2,230 3,220 3,120 2005-06 70 South East 7,500 7,600 8,310 8,100 2006-07 80 SouthWest 3,770 3,360 4,670 5,620 2007-08 90 West Midlands 3,370 2,440 3,750 4,340 2008-09 40 Yorkshire and 1,550 1,830 1,940 2,400 the Humber 1 Rounded to nearest 10 units. England3 33,260 36,260 43,260 43,220 Affordable Housing: Rural Areas 1 Column totals may not sum as data is rounded to nearest 10 units. 2 By area in which home is located. 3 Figures for recycled capital grant fund, disposal proceeds fund, and Mr Swayne: To ask the Secretary of State for remodelled units which cannot be broken down to show new build and Communities and Local Government what plans he acquisitions are excluded from this total. has to take forward the work of the Taylor Review on Lisa Nandy: To ask the Secretary of State for Affordable Housing; and if he will make a statement. Communities and Local Government (1) with which [2783] New Build Homebuy schemes announced by his Department in (a) September 2009 and (b) January Robert Neill: The Taylor Review of Rural Economy 2010 the Homes and Communities Agency has not yet and Affordable Housing ’Living Working Countryside’ entered into a funding agreement; [2890] made 34 recommendations to the previous Government. 21W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 22W

As of February 2010, 17 recommendations had been Decentralisation and Localism Bill implemented by Communities and Local Government (CLG) and its partners. Ministers have not yet decided Joan Walley: To ask the Secretary of State for whether and how to take forward any remaining Communities and Local Government what his recommendations. timetable is for the introduction and passage of a Decentralisation and Localism Bill; and whether he Council Housing: Construction plans to consult on proposals to be contained in the Bill. [2658] Lisa Nandy: To ask the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government what his policy is Greg Clark: The Government intend to introduce on local authorities borrowing against their housing legislation to devolve greater powers to councils and stock to fund the construction of new social homes for neighbourhoods and give local communities control over housing and planning decisions later in this rent. [2889] parliamentary session, with a view to achieving Royal Assent as soon as parliamentary time allows. Andrew Stunell: Local authorities are free to borrow without Government consent for capital projects of any The Government will set out more detail about proposals kind including, if they wish, the construction of new to be contained in legislation over the coming months social homes for rent. Authorities cannot offer housing and consult further with interested parties and business stock as security for loans. Instead, all borrowing is partners where this is necessary to develop the policy secured upon their revenues. It is the amount of revenue over the summer. income available to service debt which determines how much they can borrow. Housing: Construction

Councillors: Conduct Jonathan Reynolds: To ask the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government which sites in Tameside local authority area have received funding Zac Goldsmith: To ask the Secretary of State for from the Kickstart programme. [2884] Communities and Local Government pursuant to the oral answer of 10 June 2010, Official Report, columns Andrew Stunell: The following table sets out the sites 443-44, on garden development, when he plans to bring in the Tameside local authority area where developers forward proposals to repeal the regulations on pre- have received funding from the Kickstart programme. determination. [2913] Project Funding (£ Total number of Robert Neill: We intend to ensure that councillors name Developer million) units unlocked have the power to speak up on issues that are important Longlands Urban Splash Group 4.9 59 to those they represent and will as necessary legislate for Grove Road Countryside Properties 0.7 58 this as soon as practicable. (Northern) Ltd

Councillors: Pay Stephen Gilbert: To ask the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government (1) what steps are John Mann: To ask the Secretary of State for being taken to ensure that local need remains a Communities and Local Government whether he has criterion in the future development of housing policy; made an assessment of the level of transparency of the [3500] mechanisms by which local authorities publish details (2) when he plans to issue guidance to local of the remuneration of councillors by the Improvement authorities on how future housing provision should be and Development Agency. [3436] determined; and what criteria will be used for such determinations. [3501] Robert Neill: No. However, every councillor is required through the Local Authorities (Model Code of Conduct) Robert Neill: My right hon. Friend the Secretary of Order 2007 to enter in the council’s register of members’ State wrote to the leader of each local authority in interests, which is available for public inspection, details England on 27 May to reaffirm our commitment to of their employment by any person or body who employs abolish regional strategies and return decision making them, where the business of the authority relates to or is powers on housing and planning to local councils. likely to affect that person or body. We are committed Decisions on housing supply will rest with local planning to ensuring that councillor’s remuneration is published authorities without the framework of regional numbers in a more open and standardised way to increase and plans. The Government will make a formal transparency. announcement on this matter in due course.

John Mann: To ask the Secretary of State for Housing: Cornwall Communities and Local Government how much the Improvement and Development Agency has paid to Stephen Gilbert: To ask the Secretary of State for each councillor in each of the last three years. [3439] Communities and Local Government what recent estimate he has made of the number of second homes Robert Neill: My Department does not hold this in (a) Cornwall and (b) St Austell and Newquay information. constituency. [3115] 23W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 24W

Robert Neill: In October 2009, Cornwall council reported Savings there were 13,995 homes registered as second homes for Programmes 2010-11 Description (£000) council tax purposes in their area. Data are not available at a constituency level. Homes and Communities Efficiency savings 8,831 Agency from 2010-11 budgets Infrastructure Planning Efficiency savings 735 Stephen Gilbert: To ask the Secretary of State for Commission from 2010-11 budgets Communities and Local Government what recent West Northants Efficiency savings 1,000 estimate he has made of the level of housing need in Development from 2010-11 budgets each local authority ward in (a) Cornwall and (b) St Corporation Austell and Newquay constituency. [3116] Community Development Efficiency savings 167 Foundation from 2010-11 budgets Andrew Stunell: My Department does not estimate Leasehold Advisory Efficiency savings 158 housing need. This is for the local authority to do, Service from 2010-11 budgets taking account of all the relevant evidence. FireBuy Efficiency savings 137 from 2010-11 budgets Local Government Finance Residential Property Efficiency savings 1,187 Tribunal Service from 2010-11 budgets Chris Leslie: To ask the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government pursuant to his Lower priority written ministerial statement of 10 June 2010, Official programmes Report, column 15WS, on local government savings Fire—New Dimensions Procurement saving 5,000 package, if he will itemise the component programmes, Programme Crosscutting Cohesion Unallocated funding 3,100 departmental reductions and NDPB savings that form and Extremism Projects the £90.4 million savings listed as cutting waste. [2947] Thames Gateway Unallocated funding 500 Cohesion and Faith Unallocated funding 3,235 Robert Neill: The following table breaks down the Programme (non LG £90.421 million of savings that my Department has element) made under the heading of ″Cutting waste—CLG, Quangos Prevent Programme (non Unallocated funding 6,586 and lower priority programmes″ which formed part of ABG element) my right hon. Friend, the Secretary of State’s written Unallocated funding Unallocated funding 5,000 statement of 10 June 2010, full details of which can be found at: Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for http://www.communities.gov.uk/news/newsroom/1611369. Communities and Local Government what assessment This is part of the £780 million contribution Communities his Department has made of the effect on Harrow of and Local Government has made overall towards the proposed reductions in local government funding. £6.2 billion cross government savings in 2010-11. [3135]

Savings Robert Neill: We have asked local authorities to make Programmes 2010-11 Description (£000) a contribution of £1.166 billion to the £6.2 billion of Cutting waste—CLG, 90,421 cross-Government savings in 2010-11 to enable the quangos and lower Government to take immediate action to start to tackle priority programmes the fiscal deficit. The reduction in grants for which final allocations had been announced for the London borough Running costs—CLG Efficiency savings 26,954 of Harrow is £1.291 million. This is a reduction of 0.5% from 2010-11 budgets compared to their overall main revenue grants allocation. Running costs—Regional Efficiency savings 17,000 Local authorities are free to make their own decisions development agencies from 2010-11 budgets about where savings are found. We have ensured that councils have the flexibility to take decisions locally on Running costs—quangos how to deliver the savings needed without impacting on PINS Efficiency savings 6,000 essential frontline services. from 2010-11 budgets Thames Gateway—Direct Efficiency savings 500 Local Government: Public Consultation from 2010-11 budgets—UDC contingency Chris Leslie: To ask the Secretary of State for Thames Gateway— Efficiency savings 600 Communities and Local Government pursuant to the London UDC from 2010-11 budgets answer of 10 June 2010, Official Report, column 239W, Thames Gateway— Efficiency savings 600 on local government: public consultation, which Thurrock UDC from 2010-11 budgets individual and organisations he plans to consult National Tenant Voice Efficiency savings 79 informally. [2961] from 2010-11 budgets Building Research Efficiency savings 2 Andrew Stunell: As soon as we have considered the Advisory Committee from 2010-11 budgets detailed options for delivering our commitment to help National Housing and Efficiency savings 215 communities to save local facilities, we will be in a Planning Advice Unit from 2010-11 budgets position to identify those who it will be important to Tenant Services Authority Efficiency savings 2,835 from 2010-11 budgets consult informally on those proposals. However, I can assure the hon. Member that we will be consulting 25W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 26W other Government Departments, representatives of local Robert Neill: The Planning Inspectorate’s note does government, including in particular the Local Government not supersede the Secretary of State’s letter of 27 May, Association, representatives of the voluntary, community it sets out advice to inspectors on how to deal with and social enterprise sectors, representatives of the decision in the light of the Secretary of State’s letter. commercial property and small business sectors and the Provisions to abolish regional strategies will be in the relevant professional bodies. I will be happy to let him Government’s ’Localism’ Bill. We are very keen to have a list in due course, and would welcome any move quickly and are currently considering the implications particular suggestions he would like to make. of revoking regional strategies ahead of taking legislation through Parliament. Regional Planning and Development We have received representations from house builders and the Home Builders Federation regarding the Tony Baldry: To ask the Secretary of State for implications for house building and transitional Communities and Local Government with reference to arrangements. We will make a statement shortly and his proposals to abolish regional spatial strategies, plan to issue advice on the implications of abolishing whether existing planning policy statements (PPS) regional strategies. will be retained; whether the principles set out in PPS1 will still apply; whether local development frameworks Regional Planning and Development: West Midlands will continue; and if he will make a statement. [3117] Richard Burden: To ask the Secretary of State for Robert Neill: In the Coalition Agreement the Government Communities and Local Government whether the stated that it will publish and present to Parliament a Government plans to reply to the (a) Second and (b) simple and consolidated national planning framework Third report of the West Midlands Regional Select covering all forms of development. An announcement Committee of Session 2009-10. [2992] on how we propose to take forward the national planning framework and the implications for specific areas of Robert Neill: Yes, the Government will be responding planning policy will be made in due course. to these reports in the near future. We are absolutely committed to abolishing Regional Strategies. We are keen to move in advance of legislation Standards Board for England and are currently considering revoking Regional Strategies ahead of taking legislation through Parliament. We will Christopher Pincher: To ask the Secretary of State for make a statement in due course. We are also committed Communities and Local Government what estimate he to giving neighbourhoods far more ability to determine has made of the cost to the public purse of operating the shape the places in which their inhabitants live. In the Standards Board for England and Wales since the light of this we will review some elements of the 2005. [2851] local development framework system to ensure it reflects our policy on decentralisation and a simpler planning Robert Neill: The grant provided to the Standards system. Board since 2005 is as follows:

Tony Baldry: To ask the Secretary of State for Standards Board Communities and Local Government pursuant to the for England Adjudication oral answer of 10 June 2010, Official Report, grant-in-aid Panel for Total cost columns 455-56, on regional spatial strategies, from (£000) England (£000) (£000) what date local authorities will be able to retain council 2005-06 8,651 530 9,181 tax receipts in respect of new housing for which they 2006-07 11,424 357 11,781 have granted planning permission; whether all such tax 2007-08 9,785 275 10,060 receipts will be sent to the local planning authority, 2008-09 8,027 258 8,285 with particular reference to district councils in two-tier 2009-10 7,726 1— 7,726 areas; for how many years those authorities will receive 1 From 2009-2010 onwards responsibility for the Adjudication Panel for England such receipts; and if he will make a statement. [3118] (now known as First-tier Tribunal (Local Government Standards in England)) transferred to the Ministry of Justice. Andrew Stunell: The Government intend to provide For 2010-11, as we announced on 10 June, we are incentives for local authorities to deliver sustainable requiring savings of £1.45 million from the Standards development, including for new homes and businesses Board and will be confirming their resulting budget as set out in the coalition agreement. We will bring shortly. forward proposals to commence at the earliest opportunity. The conduct of local authority members in Wales is a matter for the Public Services Ombudsman for Wales. Geoffrey Clifton-Brown: To ask the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government whether his Travellers: Caravan Sites letter to council leaders of 27 May 2010 supersedes the advice to Planning Inspectorate inspectors contained in Simon Kirby: To ask the Secretary of State for paragraphs 4, 5 and 6 of Regional Strategies - Communities and Local Government in respect of how Forthcoming Abolition; by what process he plans to many traveller encampments in each (a) county, (b) abolish regional strategies; what representations he has metropolitan and (c) unitary local authority area legal received from housebuilders and their representative powers were used to move the encampment on in the organisation on guidance on continuing application of most recent year for which figures are available. [3077] regional strategies; whether he plans to issue further guidance on the matter; and if he will make a Andrew Stunell: The data requested are not held by statement. [3591] Communities and Local Government. 27W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 28W

Working Neighbourhoods Fund http://www.landscapecharacter.org.uk http://laqmsupport.org.uk Mr Iain Wright: To ask the Secretary of State for http://www.lupg.org.uk Communities and Local Government pursuant to the http://www.magic.gov.uk written ministerial statement of 10 June 2010 on local http://www.mfa.gov.uk government savings package, on what basis he has http://www.naei.org.uk concluded that there is only limited evidence the http://www.nationaltrail.co.uk Working Neighbourhood Fund has been effective. http://www.nationalparks.gov.uk [2595] http://www.natureonthemap.org.uk Robert Neill: We are unable to prove the effectiveness http://www.plantcultures.org of Working Neighbourhoods Fund (WNF) because http://www.searchmesh.net there is little or no evidence on the outputs/outcomes http://www.ukbap.org.uk associated with the fund. WNF is paid as part of the http://www.ukmaburbanforum.co.uk area-based grant. The fact that the fund is un-ringfenced http://www.uknlo.gov.uk means that outputs/outcomes are not monitored; and hence we are unable to evaluate its impact. http://www.vet-residues-committee.gov.uk http://www.vpc.gov.uk Lisa Nandy: To ask the Secretary of State for http://www.wapis.org.uk Communities and Local Government which local http://www.wastematters.org.uk authorities are to have a reduction in funding http://www.whi.org.uk allocation per head of population from the Working http://www.airquality.co.uk/archive Neighbourhoods Fund in 2010-11. [2862] http://whi.net.countryside.gov.uk http://www.crosscompliance.org.uk Andrew Stunell: The Working Neighbourhoods Fund is paid as part of area based grant. All local authorities http://www.eca-water.gov.uk that are eligible for working neighbourhoods fund have http://www.rpa.gov.uk received a reduction in their area based grant funding. http://www.uwe.ac.uk/aqm/review Where revenue grants to local authorities have been http://www.ukcip.org.uk reduced, no local authority will face a reduction of http://outdoorhealthforum.com more than 2% overall. Wigan will receive a reduction of http://ukglobalinfluence.org 0.8% (£2.92 million) in their total main revenue grant http://wetlandvision.org.uk allocation for 2010-11. Local government will be free to make their own decisions about where savings are found. http://hillfarming.org.uk We have ensured that councils have the flexibility to http://intertidalmanagement.co.uk take decisions locally on how to deliver the savings http://www.nationalbiodiversity.org needed. http://wastedirectory.org.uk http://www.streamlife.org.uk http://www.remas.ewindows.eu.org ENVIRONMENT, FOOD AND RURAL AFFAIRS http://www.uk-pollutantdeposition.ceh.ac.uk http://www.frame.ceh.ac.uk Departmental Internet http://critloads.ceh.ac.uk http://www.diamondsinthelandscape.org.uk Mr Watson: To ask the Secretary of State for http://www.tothetable.co.uk Environment, Food and Rural Affairs what the URL is of each website managed by (a) her Department and http://www.uksocialdeprivation.aeat.com (b) each non-departmental public body and agency for http://socialcostofcarbon.aeat.com/html/introduction.htm which her Department is responsible. [2367] http://www.mdcdatum.org.uk http://www.wfduk.org Richard Benyon: DEFRA, including our non http://www.landshapes.org departmental public bodies and agencies, currently manages http://robin-wood.eu 82 websites. The URL for each is set out in the following http://www.biomassenergycentre.org.uk table. As part of the Transformational Government Website Rationalisation process, we anticipate that around Current URLS expected to remain beyond April 2011 57 of these will close by April 2011. http://www.defra.gov.uk Current URLS expected to close by April 2011 http://www.cobody.gov.uk http://www.agwasteplastics.org.uk http://www.fawc.org.uk http://www.bobw.co.uk http://www.ruralcommunities.gov.uk http://countryside-quality-counts.org.uk http://www.seac.gov.uk http://www.ecolots.co.uk http://www.dwi.gov.uk http://www.efishbusiness.co.uk http://www.gla.gov.uk http://www.envirowise.gov.uk http://www.jncc.gov.uk http://www.forestresearch.gov.uk http://www.potatoesforcaterers.co.uk http://www.ghgi.org.uk http://laws.gla.gov.uk http://www.iwac.org.uk http://www.cefas.co.uk 29W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 30W

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk Fisheries: Quotas http://www.naturalengland.org.uk http://www.beefyandlamby.co.uk Laura Sandys: To ask the Secretary of State for http://www.bmesonline.org.uk Environment, Food and Rural Affairs if she will take http://www.britishmeatfoodservice.com steps to support fishermen in Thanet experiencing http://www.lovepork.co.uk restrictions in fishing activity arising from allocations of quota. [3056] http://www.netregs.gov.uk http://www.schoolmilk.co.uk Richard Benyon: I recognise the difficulties currently http://potatoesforschools.org.uk facing the inshore fleet. The shortage of fishing http://www.britishpotatoes.co.uk opportunities in the Thanet area is, in part, the result of http://www.lovechips.co.uk international quota swaps that are usually secured to http://www.lovefoodhatewaste.com supplement the inshore fleets’ allocations not being http://www.potatoposters.co.uk forthcoming this year. The Marine Management http://www.marinemanagement.org.uk Organisation is continuing to pursue swaps in order to secure additional quota. Departmental Postal Services However, there are more fundamental issues to resolve in order to deliver reform of the inshore fleet that is John Mann: To ask the Secretary of State for clearly needed. I plan to meet representatives from Environment, Food and Rural Affairs how much her across industry to drive forward work to find long-term solutions, as a matter of priority. Department spent on postage in 2009. [3343] Richard Benyon: From information held centrally for National Parks: Public Consultation core DEFRA, £255,441.91 was spent in the fiscal year 2009-10 on postage. Mr Swayne: To ask the Secretary of State for To provide the information for all DEFRA executive Environment, Food and Rural Affairs what timetable agencies and executive and advisory NDPBs would she has set for public consultation on democratic incur disproportionate cost. accountability in national parks. [2782] Departmental Water Charges Richard Benyon: As set out in the Government’s coalition document, we will be reviewing the governance Gordon Banks: To ask the Secretary of State for arrangements of national parks, and I will shortly be Environment, Food and Rural Affairs what the cost of writing to the chairs of the national park authorities on (a) service charge, (b) sewerage charge, (c) water this issue. No timetable has yet been set, but we will usage charge, (d) fire-fighting provision charge and (e) ensure the DEFRA website is updated on progress. any other relevant charge for water and sewerage provision was to Site 5 Almondbank, Perthshire in (i) Poultry: Animal Welfare 2005, (ii) 2006, (iii) 2007, (iv) 2008, (v) 2009 and (vi) 2010; and to which companies these payments were Mr Sanders: To ask the Secretary of State for made. [2553] Environment, Food and Rural Affairs when a ban on (a) battery cages for hens and (b) beak-trimming for Richard Benyon [holding answer 15 June 2010]: In hens will come into effect. [3128] respect of the retained part of Site 5 Almondbank, the departmental records show that for the years in question Mr Paice: The welfare of laying hens is protected in (a) no costs were incurred in respect of service charges; England by the Welfare of Farmed Animals (England) (b) (c) no sewage charges have been raised; the annual Regulations 2007 and by similar legislation in Northern (d) water charges paid are listed in the table below; no Ireland, Scotland and Wales. The legislation implements cost has been incurred in respect of fire fighting provision; EU Directive 99/74/EC, which among other welfare (e) and no other water and sewage related charges advances bans the use of conventional cages for laying other than those listed in the following table have been hens from 2012. levied against the property. The Government remain entirely committed to the We are currently unable to identify the specific spend conventional cage ban coming into force on 1 January incurred in respect of Site 5 Almondbank during 2005 2012 and to supporting industry during this transitional from the financial data available. stage. We want to ensure that those UK producers who have already made significant investment to comply Supplier Cost discharged (£) with the legislation, by converting out of conventional 2005 — Not available cages, are not disadvantaged if other countries do not 2006 Business Stream, A Scottish 9,502.00 meet the 2012 deadline. Water Company The Government have accepted the advice of The 2007 Business Stream, A Scottish 14,724.76 Water Company Farm Animal Welfare Council, an independent advisory 2008 Business Stream, A Scottish 21,036.57 body, that a complete ban on beak trimming of laying Water Company hens should not be introduced from 1 January 2011 (as 2009 Business Stream, A Scottish 12,959.44 is currently in legislation), but should be deferred until Water Company it can be demonstrated reliably under commercial conditions 2010 Business Stream, A Scottish 769.21 Water Company that laying hens can be managed without routine beak trimming. 31W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 32W

The Government’s consultation on the proposed In 2009 The Environment Agency published its Water amendments to the Mutilations (Permitted Procedures) Resources Strategy for England and Wales. This strategy (England) Regulations 2007, to remove the total ban on examines the factors which may affect the future availability beak trimming allowing for the routine beak trimming of water resources up to the 2050s. of day old chicks intended for laying to be carried out using the infra-red technique only, closed on the 14 April. Andrew George: To ask the Secretary of State for Consultation responses are currently being considered. Environment, Food and Rural Affairs what assessment she has made of the future sustainability of national Gordon Banks: To ask the Secretary of State for freshwater resources. [3294] Environment, Food and Rural Affairs when her Department plans to implement the ban on Richard Benyon: In 2009 the Environment Agency conventional battery cages for egg-laying hens. [3621] published its Water Resources Strategy for England and Wales. In the strategy the Environment Agency assessed Mr Paice: The welfare of laying hens is protected in the sustainability of future water resources to the 2050s. England by the Welfare of Farmed Animals (England) The strategy includes a series of actions needed to Regulations 2007 and by similar legislation in Northern deliver a secure water supply and safeguard the environment. Ireland, Scotland and Wales. The legislation implements A copy of the strategy can be found on the Environment EU directive 99/74/EC, which among other welfare Agency’s website. advances, bans the use of conventional cages for laying hens from 2012. Water Charges The Government remain entirely committed to the conventional cage ban coming into force on 1 January Andrew George: To ask the Secretary of State for 2012 and to supporting industry during this transitional Environment, Food and Rural Affairs if she will stage. We want to ensure that those UK producers who consult on the recommendation of the Walker Review have already made significant investment to comply of charging for household water and sewerage services with the legislation, by converting out of conventional on the introduction of a nationwide levy on water cages, are not disadvantaged if other countries do not customers for nationally significant infrastructure meet the 2012 deadline. projects. [3292]

Gordon Banks: To ask the Secretary of State for Richard Benyon: Ministers will consider the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs when her recommendations made in the Walker Review ahead of Department plans to implement the ban on beak- taking decisions about next steps. trimming of egg-laying hens. [3622] Water Companies: Regulation Mr Paice: The Government have accepted the advice of the Farm Animal Welfare Council, an independent Andrew George: To ask the Secretary of State for advisory body, that a complete ban on beak trimming Environment, Food and Rural Affairs when she plans of laying hens should not be introduced from 1 January to (a) publish the proposed White Paper on the water 2011 (as is currently in legislation), but should be deferred industry and (b) bring forward legislative proposals on until it can be demonstrated reliably under commercial the regulation of the water industry. [3296] conditions that laying hens can be managed without routine beak trimming. Richard Benyon: We are currently considering options for the scope and timing of a water White Paper. Any The Government’s consultation on the proposed new legislative proposals will follow the publication of amendments to the Mutilations (Permitted Procedures) this White Paper. (England) Regulations 2007, to remove the total ban on beak trimming allowing for the routine beak trimming Water: EU Law of day old chicks intended for laying to be carried out using the infra-red technique only, closed on the 14 April. Andrew George: To ask the Secretary of State for Consultation responses are currently being considered. Environment, Food and Rural Affairs what mechanisms are in place to ensure that the country Water meets its targets for good environmental status under the EU Water Framework Directive. [3295] Andrew George: To ask the Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs what recent Richard Benyon: Production of the statutory River assessment she has made of the factors (a) affecting Basin Management Plans provides the planning mechanism current and (b) likely to affect future levels of for ensuring that the country meets its obligations under sustainability of national freshwater resources, with the Water Framework Directive (WFD). The Plans particular reference to abstraction levels from rivers. provide an assessment of the current status of water [3290] bodies in each river basin district and a summary of agreed measures for achieving the environmental objectives Richard Benyon: The Environment Agency has assessed of the WFD. Plans are updated on a six yearly cycle, factors affecting the current sustainability of national starting from 2009-15. freshwater resources through the Catchment Abstraction The first River Basin Management Plans were developed Management Strategy process. A full assessment was in consultation with relevant organisations and individuals completed for England and Wales in March 2008 and and were published by the WFD deadline of 22 December will be updated by 2011. 2009. River basin district liaison panels, which included 33W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 34W representatives of the key water interests in the river The purpose of the bilateral aid review is to ensure basin district, assisted the Environment Agency in producing that we target UK aid where it is needed most and will draft plans before a formal six month written consultation make the most significant impact on poverty reduction. was carried out. The review will consider which countries should receive Mechanisms to achieve the environmental objectives British aid, how much they should receive and which set under the WFD include: compliance with existing countries should stop receiving British aid. It will also regulations, codes of practice and controls on the use of consider which aid instruments are most effective at certain substances; Catchment Sensitive Farming activities delivering poverty reduction in different contexts. and agri-environment schemes; and water efficiency The multilateral aid review will examine our funding measures. of international agencies against the UK’s objectives on The actions summarised in Annex C of the plans will poverty reduction and each agency’s ability to deliver improve more than 8,300 miles of rivers in England. results on the ground. More than 8,500 investigations that are in progress or We expect these reviews to be completed later this planned will provide the evidence base required for year. further action to protect and improve our water resources within the first and subsequent planning cycles. The Developing Countries: Children plans are available on the Environment Agency’s website: www.environment-agency.gov.uk Mr Blunkett: To ask the Secretary of State for International Development which (a) Ministers and at: (b) officials in his Department have responsibility for www.environment-agency.gov.uk/research/planning/ ensuring that children with disabilities (i) have input 33106.aspx into and (ii) are taken account of in his Department’s Whales: Conservation work on education. [2692]

Roger Williams: To ask the Secretary of State for Mr Andrew Mitchell: Supported by the Parliamentary Environment, Food and Rural Affairs if she will Under-Secretary of State (Mr O’Brien), I have responsibility oppose any new forms of commercial whaling at the for the Department for International Development’s forthcoming International Whaling Committee (DFID) work on the needs of children with disabilities. meeting in Agadir, Morocco; and if she will make a Officials in the Human Development Group, Governance statement. [3122] and Social Development Group and Country Offices are involved in the development and implementation of Richard Benyon: I plan to attend the 62nd annual evidence-based policy for children with disabilities, including meeting of the International Whaling Commission where education policy. I will call on all countries to oppose any weakening of the current ban. We are taking every opportunity to Developing Countries: Health Services build strong support for the continuation of the moratorium, including raising this matter with Ministers Annette Brooke: To ask the Secretary of State for in Europe and in other countries. International Development what recent discussions he has had on the replenishment of the Global Fund for AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria. [2616] INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT Mr Andrew Mitchell: I wrote to the executive director Central America: Storms of the Global Fund, Professor Michel Kazatchkine, on 9 June 2010 to inform him that the Department for Lindsay Roy: To ask the Secretary of State for International Development (DFID) has launched a International Development what humanitarian aid his Multilateral Aid Review to look at core funding provided Department has provided to support areas affected by by DFID to multilateral agencies. The review will include tropical storm Agatha in (a) Guatemala, (b) an assessment of the relevance of the Global Fund to Honduras and (c) El Salvador. [3418] the UK’s objectives on poverty reduction and its ability to deliver results on the ground. The results of the Mr Duncan: I refer the hon. Member to the answer review will be an important element in any future provided by the Secretary of State for International funding decisions in respect of the Global Fund. Development on 14 June 2010, Official Report, column 310W, on Central America: Storms. Annette Brooke: To ask the Secretary of State for Departmental Reviews International Development what assessment his Department has made of the (a) transparency, (b) Andrew Miller: To ask the Secretary of State for accountability and (c) effectiveness of the way (i) the International Development pursuant to the answer of Global Fund for AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria and 8 June 2010, Official Report, column 137W, on (ii) other multilateral and bilateral global health Government Departments: reviews, what reviews his programmes spend the UK’s contributions. [2617] Department is undertaking; and what the (a) purpose and (b) timescale of each is. [2581] Mr Andrew Mitchell: The Department for International Development (DFID) has launched a Multilateral Aid Mr Duncan: Over the coming months the Department Review which will look at core funding provided from for International Development (DFID) will review all DFID headquarters to multilateral agencies. It will major spending areas. The Secretary of State for include an assessment of the relevance of each organisation International Development has commissioned a review to the UK’s objectives on poverty reduction and their of DFID’s bilateral and multilateral aid programmes. ability to deliver results on the ground. 35W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 36W

his review, alongside a review of our bilateral aid Mark Lancaster: To ask the Secretary of State for programme and our humanitarian response will be Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what progress he integral to maximising the effectiveness of the UK’s has made in discussions with the Secretary of State for development efforts. The results of the Multilateral Aid Defence on the future financial arrangements for Review will be an important element in any future Ascension Island. [3505] funding decisions in respect of the Global Fund. Mr Bellingham: Ascension Island Government (AIG)’s Developing Countries: Politics and Government financial arrangements are the responsibility of the Island Council. The Foreign and Commonwealth Office Meg Munn: To ask the Secretary of State for and Ministry of Defence (MOD) are however in discussions International Development what his policy is on to work towards helping to achieve a solution to the supporting developing countries to achieve good ongoing dispute between AIG and MoD and to ensure governance. [2446] a sustainable future for Ascension Island. Mr O’Brien: In “The Coalition: our programme for government”, the government laid out our commitment Mark Lancaster: To ask the Secretary of State for to ″use the aid budget to support the development of Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what each income local democratic institutions, civil society groups, the stream of the Ascension Island government was in media and enterprise; and support efforts to tackle each of the last five financial years; what the source is corruption″. of each such stream; and if he will make a statement. [3506] The Department for International Development (DFID) will take this agenda forward. For example we will work Mr Bellingham: This is a matter for the Ascension to: empower citizens and make governments and donors Island Government (AIG). The AIG is responsible for more transparent and accountable; help build effective its own budget and holds this information. states in fragile and conflict affected countries; and tackle corruption. Crimes of Violence: Females

Jo Swinson: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign FOREIGN AND COMMONWEALTH OFFICE and Commonwealth Affairs what steps his Department is taking to ensure the co-ordination of measures by Ascension Island Government departments to tackle violence against women overseas. [3171] Mark Lancaster: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs with reference to Mr Jeremy Browne: Tackling violence against women the answer of 19 January 2010, Official Report, column overseas is a priority issue for the UK. The Government 273W, on Ascension Island, whether the Ascension are committed to developing a coherent and strategic Island government and council have considered the approach to this issue, building on the work we are draft report. [3487] already doing bilaterally with partner countries, and at Mr Bellingham: The Island Council is considering the the UN, to identify opportunities to increase our impact. report and is consulting the major Employing Organisations Foreign and Commonwealth Office officials are in on Ascension Island as part of its considerations. discussion with the Department for International Development, Ministry of Defence, Home Office and Mark Lancaster: To ask the Secretary of State for the Government Equalities Office to take this work Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what assessment forward. he has made of the effects of the financial situation on Ascension Island on the island’s services and amenities. Cyprus: Peace Negotiations [3503] Mr Burrowes: To ask the Secretary of State for Mr Bellingham: The current financial situation on Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what assessment Ascension Island is difficult, as it is in much of the rest he has made of progress in talks between the leaders of of the world. The Ascension Island Government has the Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots on Cyprus; recently made a number of significant efficiency savings what his Department’s objectives are for the outcome through its restructuring and modernisation programme of those talks; and if he will make a statement. [3549] and will continue to strive to provide the essential services required on the island. Mr Lidington: This is a UN-led process, by Cypriots Mark Lancaster: To ask the Secretary of State for for Cypriots, aimed at reaching an agreed settlement to Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what the projected the Cyprus problem for the benefit of all those on the budget deficit is for (a) 2010-11 and (b) 2011-12 for island. The reunification of Cyprus would be the best Ascension Island. [3504] thing for both communities, and the Government will do all they can to support the leaders as they work Mr Bellingham: The Ascension Island Government towards this. We welcome the resumption of negotiations (AIG) is responsible for its budget. However I understand in Cyprus under the agreed UN parameters and urge that a small surplus is projected for the end of the both leaders to work together to achieve a comprehensive current financial year, provided all pay their assessed settlement, based on a bizonal, bicommunal federation taxes, and that the AIG continues with its restructuring with political equality. The two leaders are currently and modernisation programme. I also understand that discussing the issue of property and regular meetings no forecast for the 2011-12 budget has been carried out. are scheduled throughout June and July. 37W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 38W

Diplomatic Service: Recruitment Our ambassador in Kinshasa raised our concerns with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Democratic Mr Iain Wright: To ask the Secretary of State for Republic of Congo (DRC) on 3 June. President Kabila Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether he plans has ordered an investigation into the death of Mr Chebeya. to take steps to increase the number of staff from A number of police officers have been arrested and the working-class backgrounds recruited to HM Inspector General of Police Mr John Numbi has been Diplomatic Service. [2275] suspended. A Dutch forensics team were in DRC last week where Alistair Burt: The Foreign and Commonwealth Office they participated in an autopsy with the Congolese (FCO) strives for a highly talented workforce which authorities. They have not yet been able to establish a represents and reflects the diversity of modern Britain. cause of death, but will continue their investigations The FCO’s Partner Universities Placement Scheme has and will produce a report in the coming weeks. offered high-calibre undergraduates from low income backgrounds training placements at the FCO every We will continue to follow developments closely, and summer since 2008. We continue to invest in that scheme. press for a full, proper and transparent investigation to Our outreach programmes aim to attract talented take place. We will stay in communication with the applicants from diverse backgrounds. From 2010 the Government of DRC and international partners who Cabinet Office will begin collecting and publishing data share our concerns. on the socio-economic background of entrants to the Government Hospitality: Wines Senior Civil Service and the Civil Service Fast Stream. This will include Fast Stream applicants who go on to Mr Watson: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign join the Foreign and Commonwealth Office. and Commonwealth Affairs how many bottles of wine European Parliament from each (a) region of origin and (b) vintage are held in the Government hospitality wine cellar; [1941] Chris Bryant: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs pursuant to the Chris Bryant: To ask the Secretary of State for answer of 15 June 2010, Official Report, column 356, Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how many bottles on the European Parliament, what answer he received of (a) red wine, (b) white wine, (c) champagne and from his French counterpart. [3489] (d) fortified wine there are in the Government Wine Cellar. [2118] Mr Lidington: The French Europe Minister stated that the long-standing French position on maintaining Mr Bellingham: The Government Hospitality (GH) the European Parliament’s presence in Strasbourg remained wine cellar has held between 38,000 and 39,000 bottles unchanged. of wine for the last five years. Excluding beverage wines, the most recent independent stock-take in April 2010 Farai Maguwu indicated that the cellar contained: Kate Hoey: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign 25,883 bottles of red wine and Commonwealth Affairs if he will seek agreement 6,828 bottles of white wine at EU level for an investigation of allegations that 1,779 bottles of champagne Abbey Chikane and the Zimbabwean authorities have 2,975 bottles of fortified wine. targeted and threatened Farai Maguwu of the Centre 80% of the stock is French (from Bordeaux, Burgundy, for Research and Development in Zimbabwe; and if he Rhone, Loire, Champagne and Alsace). Of the remaining will make a statement. [2771] stock 7% is Portuguese, 2% English and Welsh, 2% German, 1% Australian, 1% Italian and 1% American. Small Mr Bellingham: We are deeply concerned about the quantities of Spanish, Austrian, Argentinean, Chilean, treatment of Farai Maguwu and more broadly by the South African and New Zealand wines are also held. As recent increase in arbitrary arrests, politically-inspired reserves are used GH is able to diversify its stock as harassment and detention of civil society activists in appropriate, while taking into account usage requirements, Zimbabwe. We will continue to monitor Maguwu’s case quality and value for money. and of the accusations against him, including by attending court hearings where possible, and urge the Government It is not possible to give a detailed breakdown of the of Zimbabwe to respect the rule of law. We will urge the numbers of bottles per vintage of each region of origin EU also to do so, in its capacity as a Kimberley Process without incurring disproportionate costs. The cellar member. stock levels are regularly reassessed and its performance and value for money are reviewed throughout the year. Floribert Chebeya Palestinians: Human Rights Lyn Brown: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what reports he has Mr Amess: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign received on the circumstances surrounding the death of and Commonwealth Affairs what recent reports he has Mr Floribert Chebeya in Democratic Republic of received of human rights violations by members of Congo. [2813] Hamas in Gaza; and if he will make a statement. [R] [2972] Mr Bellingham: I am deeply concerned at the death of Mr Floribert Chebeya and made a statement to that Alistair Burt: Hamas has had a poor record in Gaza effect on 3 June. The EU High Representative Cathy from the moment it violently ousted Fatah. Human Ashton has also issued a statement of serious concern. rights organisations and other non-governmental 39W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 40W organisations in Gaza are increasingly concerned about Alistair Burt: As my right hon. Friend the Foreign restrictions on their own activities and on the wider Secretary made clear in his statement to the House on curtailing of personal freedoms. 2 June 2010, Official Report, columns 437-39WS we are We share these concerns, including regarding violent seriously concerned about the seizure of British nationals harassment of political opponents, violent retribution— in international waters, and that aspect of the Israeli including summary executions—against those Hamas operation must form a key part of the investigation into deem collaborators with Israel, arbitrary arrests and events. But until we know the facts of what happened detentions, torture and a crack down on women’s freedom. we cannot comment further. The UK calls on Hamas to take immediate and The announcement by the Government of Israel of concrete steps towards the Quartet principles, an independent public Commission, including international unconditionally to release Gilad Shalit, who has been observers, is an important step forward. Clearly the held in captivity for just under four years, and to end its Commission must provide a full, credible, impartial and interference with the operations of non-governmental independent investigation that the international community organisations and UN agencies in Gaza. can respect. We will be better able to judge whether this standard has been met as its work develops. It is important that the Commission is able to proceed swiftly, transparently Palestinians: International Assistance and rigorously. Sudan: Elections Mr Amess: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether he has received Stephen Mosley: To ask the Secretary of State for recent reports on the alleged closure by Hamas security Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what steps he is forces of (a) the Women and Children Society, (b) the taking to ensure that the forthcoming elections and Palestinian Mini-Parliament and (c) the South Society referendum in South Sudan are free of violence and for Palestinian Women’s Health; and if he will make a human rights violations. [3086] statement. [2792] Mr Bellingham: The Government are concerned about the human rights abuses and violent incidents which Alistair Burt: We understand that Hamas’ Internal were associated with the elections held in Sudan in Security Unit have ordered the closure until further April 2010. We made clear our concerns to the Sudanese notice of four organisations: the South Society for authorities and we regret that more was not done to Women’s Health, Women Child Development Association, address these. Bonat al-Mustagbal Association and Sharek YouthForum which is a UN partner organisation. We also understand We will remain closely engaged and provide strong that these organisations had their offices raided and support including on security issues, in the run-up to equipment confiscated by Hamas’ Internal Security the Referendum on Self-Determination for South Sudan Unit on 31 May. in January 2011. We continue to emphasise the need for the Sudanese authorities to ensure a credible and peaceful We call on Hamas to take immediate and concrete process. We will be providing significant assistance to steps towards the Quartet principles, to release Gilad this end and we will urge the UN Mission in Sudan to Shalit unconditionally, and to end its interference with play a central role. the operations of non-governmental organisations and UN agencies in Gaza. Unmanned Air Vehicles Mr Watson: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign Mr Amess: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether he has received and Commonwealth Affairs what recent reports he has representations on the report by Philip Alston to the received on the alleged refusal of Hamas to accept aid UN Human Rights Council on the use of drone planes. transported from the flotilla ships; and if he will make [1950] a statement. [2915] Mr Jeremy Browne: The UK is mentioned in a list of Alistair Burt: We understand that Israel offered to 12 countries who either use drones or are looking to transfer some of the aid to Gaza, but that Hamas acquire the capability immediately. We do not expect to refused to accept it. However, the Office for the have to respond to the report as it does not criticise the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (UNOCHA) UK. In the debate of the report at the Human Rights report that five truckloads of the flotilla aid have now Council, the UK was not mentioned by name and we been distributed within Gaza, facilitated by the Palestinian have received no representations. Authority co-ordination committee. What is important is that we focus now on the longer WALES term issue of opening up Gaza to the humanitarian and reconstruction aid that it needs, and the flow of trade Departmental Reviews that will be essential to building up Gaza’s economy, Andrew Miller: To ask the Secretary of State for while at the same time ensuring that arms are not being Wales pursuant to the answer of 8 June 2010, Official transferred to Hamas in Gaza. Report, column 137W, on Government departments: reviews, what reviews her Department is undertaking; Ms Ritchie: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and what the (a) purpose and (b) timescale of each is. and Commonwealth Affairs what representations he [2577] has received on the lawfulness under international law of the Israeli interception of the Gaza convoy in Mrs Gillan: My Department is not currently undertaking international waters. [3352] any reviews. 41W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 42W

Employment (2) how many times she has met S4C representatives since her appointment; and what matters were Owen Smith: To ask the Secretary of State for Wales discussed at each such meeting; [2866] what assessment she has made of the effects on the (3) how many times she has met representatives from local economy of the transfer of jobs out of the South the Wales Live consortium since her appointment; and Wales valleys to Cardiff. [2847] what matters were discussed at each such meeting; [2867] Mrs Gillan: It is tragic that parts of the South Wales (4) how many times she has met BBC Wales Valleys continue to have the highest levels of unemployment managers since her appointment; and what matters in Wales. were discussed at each such meeting. [2870] The coalition Government are committed to helping the poorest communities in Wales to develop strong and Mrs Gillan: I have had no formal meetings with sustainable growth by attracting targeted private sector these organisations since my appointment but intend to inward investment. We also need to ensure that those have meetings with Welsh broadcasters in the near out of work or on benefits are not trapped there by a future. system which has left too many better off on benefits than they would be with a job. TRANSPORT Local Broadcasting Bus Lanes

Nick Smith: To ask the Secretary of State for Wales Simon Kirby: To ask the Secretary of State for what assessment she has made of the effect on the Transport what recent representations he has received creative industries in Wales of the removal of the two on the effect on the flow of other motor traffic of road year £12 million support for the independently funded narrowing schemes to create bus priority lanes; and if new consortia pilot agreed by the last Government; and he will make a statement. [3078] if she will make a statement. [2969] Norman Baker: The Department for Transport has Mrs Gillan: The coalition Government consider that not received any such representations. for the Government to subsidise news consortia would The design and installation of bus lanes, including be an inappropriate use of scarce public funding. This any monitoring of such schemes, are matters for local kind of funding intervention—to prop-up expensive highway authorities. commercial regional news formats—would send the wrong message and would not provide a commercial Crossrail Line: Kent incentive. To remain competitive we must adapt to the considerable Mr Evennett: To ask the Secretary of State for changes within the sector and in particular to recent Transport what his Department’s policy is on the technological advances. Consumers are moving across extension of Crossrail from Abbey Wood into Kent. the variety of platforms—TV, mobile phone, internet. [1305] We need to encourage this by ensuring the right regulatory framework that allows these services to be provided on Mrs Villiers: The Department for Transport’s current a commercial basis. priority is to continue to progress the committed Crossrail During his key note speech on 8 June, the scheme while maintaining its focus on affordability and Secretary of State for Culture, Olympics, Media and value for money.The route from Abbey Woodto Gravesend Sport set out his vision for local media, which included and Ebbsfleet is safeguarded under the terms of the reforming local cross-media ownership rules to relax Safeguarding Direction of October 2009 and I expect the rules on local newspapers owning local radio this to continue. However, any extension would require stations or setting up local TV stations. He has asked a strong business case. Nicholas Shott—head of UK Investment Banking Dartford-Thurrock Crossing at Lazard—to examine the potential for commercially viable local television stations within the local media Gareth Johnson: To ask the Secretary of State for landscape across the UK. Mr Shott will report back on Transport (1) how many vehicles used the Dartford this exercise in the autumn and then we will be in Crossing in each of the last 24 months; [3089] an informed position to deliver a full local media action plan. (2) how much revenue accrued from vehicles using the Dartford Crossing in each of the last 24 months. These exciting proposals will also provide new opportunities for the creative industries to help deliver [3090] such content in new and innovative ways. Mike Penning: The Dartford Crossing encompasses both the tunnels and the bridge and charging occurs in Television both directions. The figures in the following table cover the Dartford Nick Smith: To ask the Secretary of State for Wales Crossing as a whole. It shows how many vehicles used (1) how many times she has met ITV Wales managers the Dartford Crossing in each of the last 24 months and since her appointment; and what matters were also how much revenue was accrued in each month, discussed at each such meeting; [2865] including revenue for escorts of abnormal loads. 43W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 44W

Total traffic count Abnormal load escort Month (number) Charging revenue (£) revenue (£) Total (£)

1 May 2010 4,410,812 6,178,523.43 23,941.00 6,202,464.43 2 April 2010 4,293,715 6,097,317.92 24,802.00 6,122,119.92 3 March 2010 4,312,881 6,174,004.56 25,578.00 6,199,582.56 4 February 2010 3,758,432 5,389,210.60 26,106.00 5,415,316.60 5 January 2010 3,503,479 5,058,560.17 21,231.00 5,079,791.17 6 December 2009 4,013,426 5,710,950.82 18,774.00 5,729,724.82 7 November 2009 4,130,181 5,927,867.96 24,580.00 5,952,447.96 8 October 2009 4,498,077 6,433,437.95 25,244.00 6,458,681.95 9 September 2009 4,438,269 6,308,210.68 24,257.00 6,332,467.68 10 August 2009 4,725,718 6,615,200.27 24,303.00 6,639,503.27 11 July 2009 4,713,241 6,636,620.69 28,800.00 6,665,420.69 12 June 2009 4,465,255 6,370,620.28 33,259.00 6,403,879.28 13 May 2009 4,414,433 6,278,841.01 28,975.00 6,307,816.01 14 April 2009 4,274,380 6,164,845.47 31,915.00 6,196,760.47 15 March 2009 4,264,910 6,220,970.58 25,129.00 6,246,099.58 16 February 2009 3,555,890 5,218,207.34 31,893.00 5,250,100.34 17 January 2009 3,783,958 5,529,047.99 29,022.00 5,558,069.99 18 December 2008 4,056,452 5,897,466.14 24,920.00 5,922,386.14 19 November 2008 4,202,778 5,619,338.92 25,054.00 5,644,392.92 20 October 2008 4,547,659 5,756,478.53 29,435.00 5,785,913.53 21 September 2008 4,439,181 5,613,572.20 30,000.00 5,643,572.20 22 August 2008 4,753,103 5,852,073.25 27,840.00 5,879,913.25 23 July 2008 4,779,150 6,067,091.81 31,356.00 6,098,447.81 24 June 2008 4,471,563 5,697,188.59 32,381.00 5,729,569.59

Dartford-Thurrock Crossing: Tolls Mr Philip Hammond: The functions of my Department’s Executive agencies will be considered, alongside all Jackie Doyle-Price: To ask the Secretary of State for other departmental functions, in the context of the Transport how many people have applied for a (a) review of all Government spending now under way. resident’s and (b) Dart Tags discount against the toll for the Dartford Crossing since the resident’s discount Departmental Public Expenditure scheme was introduced; and how many of those who have applied for the resident’s discount were resident in Thurrock. [2761] Tom Blenkinsop: To ask the Secretary of State for Transport what reductions are planned to be made in Mike Penning: Since the introduction of the Local the funding provided by his Department to (a) Resident Scheme in November 2008, 22,702 people Middlesbrough Council and (b) Redcar and Cleveland have successfully applied for a residents’ discount for Council in 2010-11. [1968] the Dartford Crossing; of these 11,506 were resident in Thurrock. Norman Baker: The Government announced on 10 June In the same period, there were 30,385 successful plans for implementation of the £1.166 billion savings applications for a DART-tag account. to be made from local Government grants in 2010-11, of which £309 million will be from transport grants. Departmental NDPBs Further information regarding how these reductions relate to Middlesbrough council and Redcar and Cleveland Graham Stringer: To ask the Secretary of State for council can be found in the Libraries of the House and Transport what reductions in expenditure each non- on the Department for Communities and Local departmental public body for which his Department is Government website at: responsible will be expected to make in (a) 2010 and http://www.communities.gov.uk/localgovernment/ (b) each year from 2011 to 2014. [3415] localgovernmentfinance/ Mr Philip Hammond: My Department’s non- departmental public bodies have not been given specific Mrs Ellman: To ask the Secretary of State for budget reductions as part of my Department’s overall Transport what assessment he has made of the effects reduction of £689 million for 2010-11. These savings are on the economy of the reductions proposed in expected to be made in the central Department and its expenditure on transport projects. [3496] agencies. For 2011-12 onwards no budgets have been set as Mr Philip Hammond: As part of the planned spending they will be subject to the forthcoming spending review. review process, I will be reviewing all the Department for Transport’s projects and programmes to ensure they Graham Stringer: To ask the Secretary of State for represent value for money and are consistent with the Transport what plans he has to review the functions of Government’s objectives, including the need to reduce his Department’s executive agencies; and if he will the deficit, support growth and meet the 2020 carbon make a statement. [3417] reduction targets. 45W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 46W

Electric Vehicles (i) Total net public subsidy paid to the bus industry in 2008-09 by central and local government was £833 million Zac Goldsmith: To ask the Secretary of State for in London, and £724 million in the rest of England. Transport which official in his Department is (ii) This equated to a net public subsidy of 39 pence responsible for the implementation of a national per passenger journey in London, and 30 pence in the recharging network for electric and plug-in hybrid rest of England. vehicles. [2898] Railways: Construction Norman Baker: Michael Hurwitz heads the Office for Low Emission Vehicles, a team composed of officials from the Departments for Transport, Business Innovation Steve Baker: To ask the Secretary of State for and Skills, and Energy and Climate Change, who are Transport whether the Exceptional Hardship Scheme responsible for the UK’s ultra-low emission vehicle which will compensate residents for any effects of policy, including this Coalition commitment. An prospective High Speed Rail 2 routes will be extended organisation chart for the Office for Low Emission to local business premises. [2868] Vehicles can be found at: Mr Philip Hammond: I cannot prejudge the outcome http://www.dft.gov.uk/adobepdf/165252/OLEVorgchart.pdf of the current consultation on the proposed Exceptional Hardship Scheme, which ended on 17 June. We have Local Government Finance: Wales received a number of responses relating to business premises. We will look carefully at the suggestions made Chris Evans: To ask the Secretary of State for by all respondents in deciding how to proceed. Transport what changes will be made in the grants provided by his Department to local authorities in Glenda Jackson: To ask the Secretary of State for Wales in 2010-11. [1672] Transport if he will review the decision to exclude from the High Speed Two hardship scheme those properties Mr Philip Hammond: Transport is a devolved function, adjacent to tunnelled sections of the proposed route for so no grants are made by the Department for Transport the purpose of making such properties eligible for to Welsh authorities. assistance from his Department. [2914]

Public Transport: Expenditure Mr Philip Hammond: I cannot prejudge the outcome of the current consultation on the proposed Exceptional Angela Smith: To ask the Secretary of State for Hardship Scheme (EHS), and reiterate that no decision Transport how much was paid in public subsidy to the has yet been taken on what properties would be eligible (a) rail industry and (b) bus industry (i) in total and under any Exceptional Hardship Scheme. Representations (ii) per passenger journey in the latest period for which on this topic have been received as part of the current figures are available. [1591] consultation. We will look carefully at the suggestions made by all respondents in deciding how to proceed. Mr Philip Hammond: The information requested is as follows: Speed Limits: Cameras (a) (i) Total public subsidy figures to the rail industry for 2008-09, the most recent available, can be found in a Gareth Johnson: To ask the Secretary of State for table in the Office of Rail Regulation’s current National Transport how many speed cameras there are in Rail Trends publication at: Dartford constituency; where each is located; and how http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pdf/rolling-c6-misc- many drivers have been prosecuted as a result of 180310.pdf evidence obtained from each such camera over the last (Table 6.2a). five years. [3121] (ii) Subsidy figures are not compiled per passenger journey, so these are unavailable. Mike Penning: The Department for Transport holds (b) The latest figures available for the bus industry only information about speed cameras operating under are for 2008-09 and are separated between London and the National Safety Camera Programme, which started the rest of England due to the different nature of the in 2001 and ended on 31 March 2007. Separate information markets (fully regulated and largely deregulated, about cameras operating in Dartford is not held. The respectively). The Department for Transport published number of camera sites operating in Kent at the end of revised statistics on bus passenger journeys during 2008-09 the National Safety Camera Programme was 129. Since on 17 June 2010 and is available on the DFT website: then, the deployment of safety cameras has been the http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/statistics/datatablespublications/ responsibility of individual local partnerships. The number public/bus/ of cameras currently in place and their location will Total public subsidy to the bus industry is made up of therefore be a matter for Kent county council and the the Bus Service Operators Grant and locally tendered local road safety partnership. subsidised services. Bus operators are reimbursed by The number of drivers prosecuted as a result of local authorities for carrying concessionary bus pass enforcement by each speed camera in Kent is not held holders so that operators are left no better or worse off by the Department. However, details of fixed penalty for participating in the concessionary travel scheme. notices issued and subsequently paid in Kent over the This is not a subsidy to the industry so has not been past five years are outlined in the following table which included in these figures. also includes penalties issued for red light offences: 47W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 48W

Speed and red light fixed penalty notices paid in Kent over the last five years Grant Payment timing Number RBSG—bus grant Monthly instalments 2002-03 30,994 School Travel Advisers Monthly instalments 2003-04 54,929 Revenue de-trunking Monthly instalments 2004-05 60,959 Road safety revenue grant Monthly instalments 2005-06 50,285 2006-07 61,206 Travel

Transport: North West Zac Goldsmith: To ask the Secretary of State for Transport what steps he plans to take to support the Lisa Nandy: To ask the Secretary of State for promotion of (a) cycling, (b) walking and (c) other Transport what grants his Department has allocated to non-car travel initiatives. [2899] (a) Wigan Metropolitan Borough Council and (b) other local authorities in the North West for which Norman Baker: The coalition agreement says that we funds have not yet been released. [2842] will support sustainable travel initiatives, including the promotion of cycling and walking. In addition, we will Norman Baker: The Department for Transport has explore the opportunities provided by alternatives to allocated a range of grants to Wigan metropolitan travel. Our approach will be considered in more detail borough council and other local authorities in the north- as part of the spending review later this year. west, for which payments are due to be made at various stages over the course of 2010-11. Wales The Government have made clear that their most urgent priority is to tackle the UK’s record deficit. To Jonathan Edwards: To ask the Secretary of State for help achieve this, on 10 June the Department for Transport with reference to the Chancellor of the Communities and Local Government announced Exchequer’s announcement of 24 May 2010 and £1.166 billion of savings from grants to local authorities. pursuant to the answer of 7 June 2010, Official Report, Aside from these grants, the Department is not withholding column 69W, on public expenditure: Wales, if he will the release of funding allocated to north-west authorities provide details of his Department’s non-devolved in 2010-11. public expenditure savings that will be incurred in Wales, including an estimate of the financial savings. The following table sets out the timing of payments [2938] for the Department’s transport grants. Mr Philip Hammond [holding answer 17 June 2010]: Grant Payment timing My Department is making in-year expenditure savings Integrated Transport Quarterly—next in July of £683 million. Block Of this figure, Network Rail are finding savings of Capital de-trunking Quarterly—first mid May. This payment was being delayed in anticipation of the CLG £100 million, and also deferring £17 million worth of announcement on 10 June regarding local lower priority schemes. Network Rail has not given any authority budget reductions; it will now be paid indication of what portion of this proposed reduction at a reduced level in expenditure will affect Wales. Maintenance - Primary When claimed Route Network The savings from Transport for London will not Emergency funding for When claimed affect Wales nor will those from local government funding Cumbria or from the Highways Agency, which are devolved Exceptional maintenance When claimed areas. Major Projects (LA) Quarterly in arrears Road safety (capital) Funding cancelled. See CLG announcement on The other element of the in-year saving is the £112 million 10 June regarding local authority budget savings from efficiencies in direct departmental spend. reductions My Department’s agencies, some of which are based in, Green bus fund 2009 When claimed or have regional offices in Wales, will be taking their Green bus fund 2010 When claimed share of these. No estimate has been made of the Station accessibility When claimed savings to be incurred in Wales. (access for all) Cycle Towns Quarterly in arrears—next in September Cycling—Finding new Quarterly in arrears solutions JUSTICE Urban congestion fund Further details to be announced in due course Smart ticketing Two payments Burglary: Self-defence Nexus (Tyne and Wear Monthly Metro) Miss Anne McIntosh: To ask the Secretary of State Pot Holes—budget 2010 Two payments funding for Justice what steps he plans to take to review the law Concessionary fares—top Quarterly on homeowners using force to protect their property up from burglars. [2945] Kickstart—2009 Funding cancelled. See CLG announcement on 10 June regarding local authority budget Mr Blunt: I refer my hon. Friend to the answer given reductions by the Minister of State, Ministry of Justice, my right Cycle training When claimed hon. Friend the Member for Arundel and South Downs Other bus grants When claimed (Nick Herbert) on 15 June 2010, Official Report, 49W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 50W column 735. We are reviewing the law and its interpretation Cookham Wood Secure Training Centre carefully and will explore all options before bringing forward proposals. We must make sure that householders Tom Brake: To ask the Secretary of State for Justice protecting their homes from intruders have the appropriate how many children of each (a) sex, (b) race and (c) level of legal protection and a clear understanding of age have been (i) remanded to and (ii) received into their rights. Medway Secure Training Centre in each year since it opened. [2499] Cemeteries Mr Blunt: The following tables show the number of John Mann: To ask the Secretary of State for Justice custodial remand episodes and total custodial episodes what recent estimate he has made of the number of (including remands) started in Medway Secure Training gravestones which have temporary wooden stakes for Centre in each year from 2001 to 2009 by sex, ethnicity health and safety reasons. [3419] and age. Complete data are not available for the period before 2001. Mr Djanogly: We have not made any such estimate. An “episode” is a period a young person has spent in Last year, the Ministry of Justice conducted a sample custody. In some cases, a young person starts more than survey of burial ground operators to assess how far one custodial episode during a single 12-month period, they were aware of, and acting on, the Ministry’s recent either for a new offence or because of a change in the guidance on dealing with unstable memorials. The results legal basis for his or her detention, such as from remand indicate that memorials presenting a risk of causing to sentence. serious injury are now more likely to be identified by These figures have been drawn from administrative suitable signs instead of being supported by stakes or IT systems, which, as with any large scale recording laid down. We are keeping under review the need for system, are subject to possible errors with data entry any further action, in conjunction with burial professionals. and processing and may be subject to change over time.

Custodial episodes by sex, 2001-09 Remand episodes Total custodial episodes Female Male Total Female Male Total

2001 1 0 1 37 88 125 2002 22 2 24 52 100 152 2003 36 29 65 116 168 284 2004 32 26 58 114 120 234 2005 33 23 56 114 121 235 2006 39 24 63 128 106 234 2007 20 35 55 91 124 215 2008 26 26 52 122 108 230 2009 21 41 62 88 157 245

Custodial episodes by ethnic group, 2001-09 Remand episodes Ethnicity Asian Black Mixed Not available Other White Total

2001 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 2002 1 1 4 0 0 18 24 2003 0 16 5 6 0 38 65 2004 2 15 5 2 0 34 58 2005 0 8 7 4 2 35 56 2006 3 9 11 4 1 35 63 2007 0 18 3 1 0 33 55 2008 1 9 7 8 1 26 52 2009 4 10 5 3 0 40 62

Total custodial episodes Ethnicity Asian Black Mixed Not Available Other White Total

2001 3 10 14 0 0 98 125 2002 4 25 18 3 1 101 152 2003 3 47 22 11 5 196 284 2004 9 37 22 7 6 153 234 2005 5 30 24 9 4 163 235 2006 6 38 26 13 3 148 234 2007 2 38 15 11 2 147 215 2008 1 43 23 24 1 138 230 2009 7 37 28 14 1 158 245 51W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 52W

Custodial episodes by age, 2001-09 Remand episodes Age 12 13 14 15 16 17 Total

2001 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 2002 0 2 4 9 9 0 24 2003 1 8 22 20 13 1 65 2004 1 5 15 18 19 0 58 2005 1 3 20 15 16 1 56 2006 0 1 20 13 29 0 63 2007 1 3 23 12 16 0 55 2008 1 5 14 15 17 0 52 2009 1 5 22 17 17 0 62

Custodial episodes by age, 2001-09 Total custodial episodes Age 12 13 14 15 16 17 Total

2001 5 17 60 32 11 0 125 2002 4 21 58 46 23 0 152 2003 4 23 103 94 57 3 284 2004 2 16 80 65 71 0 235 2005 1 13 81 67 71 2 234 2006 1 4 83 60 74 12 235 2007 3 7 79 46 68 12 234 2008 1 16 71 69 64 9 215 2009 1 14 66 97 58 9 245

Departmental Manpower justices clerk is merely an initial response to the publication of a service-wide activity based cost model and has not Caroline Flint: To ask the Secretary of State for formally been considered, or approved, at any level. I Justice how many (a) women and (b) men were should clarify that it is unlikely to take effect for some employed by his Department on the latest date for time yet. However, when it does, it will not dictate how which figures are available. [2743] many sittings are listed in those courts. Mr Djanogly: The Office of National Statistics’ Statistical Bulletin on public sector employment, published on Sir Alan Beith: To ask the Secretary of State for 16 June 2010, sets out the number of staff employed by Justice for what reason it is proposed to appoint two central Government Departments. additional district judges in the Northumbria area; and what estimate he has made of the likely total annual The headcount figures for the Ministry of Justice cost of the additional appointments. [3138] show that there were 41,060 women employed and 44,320 men employed as at 31 March 2010. The staff numbers provided add together civil servants Mr Djanogly: Up until recently, the Area Director for from the following: Cleveland, Durham and Northumbria was working on Ministry of Justice HQ, NOMS Agency, HMCS, Tribunals, a business case to support the introduction of two Office of the Public Guardian, Wales Office, Scotland Office, UK additional magistrates’ district judges to the Northumbria Supreme Court, Land Registry and The National Archives. Area. However, given the need for all government bodies Note: to review how they conduct their operations in the light The Office of National Statistics round to the nearest 10. of the current economic climate, that business case has been put on hold. Judges: Northumberland By way of background, although Northumbria already Sir Alan Beith: To ask the Secretary of State for has two magistrates’ district judges, that number is Justice what estimate he has made of the effect on the fewer than areas elsewhere in the country with similar number of court starts in Northumberland of sharing workloads. The Area Director believes that additional district judges will help improve case management and a deputy justices’ clerk with North Tyneside. [3137] increase throughput. Consequently she was considering Mr Djanogly: The number of court starts will not be putting forward a case to make Northumbria’s numbers affected by, an as yet, unevaluated proposal to have one commensurate with those found nationally. Before any deputy justices clerk managing the legal advisers in such request is submitted, formal consultation will be both Northumberland and North Tyneside. As ever, the undertaken with the Northumbria Benches and other number of court sittings will be driven by factors such stakeholders, where the reasons for the business case as work loads, fluctuations in the business and waiting will be set out. I can confirm that Bench Chairmen have times. been informed of the decision not to progress the case The proposal regarding the deputy justices clerks is at this stage. actually about management structures and the need to As the matter is not being advanced at present, there standardise the ratio of legal managers to legal advisers will be no change to the overall cost of magistrates’ across the country generally. The proposal from the business in Northumbria. 53W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 54W

Legal Aid Scheme The figures were taken from the Public Protection Unit Database (PPUD) in the National Offender Andrew Stephenson: To ask the Secretary of State for Management Service, and, as with any large scale recording Justice what steps he is taking to reduce delays in system, it is subject to possible errors arising from either payments to solicitors’ firms by the Legal Services data entry or processing. The PPUD is a live database, Commission for legal services provided through (a) updated on a regular basis. the community legal service and (b) the criminal As a result, snapshots taken in consecutive days will defence service. [2973] contain differences reflecting updates.

Mr Djanogly: The Legal Services Commission (LSC) Mr Llwyd: To ask the Secretary of State for Justice is still processing the majority of payments within its how many people are serving indeterminate sentences published target times. of imprisonment for public protection; and how many of these are former servicemen. [3239] Both civil and criminal legal aid providers receive Standard Monthly Payments for Legal Help (civil) and Mr Blunt: The number of people serving indeterminate for criminal work in the police station and the magistrates sentences of imprisonment for public protection (IPP) court. Standard Monthly Payments guarantee cash flow, or detention for public protection (DPP) on the 4 June enabling providers to manage their finances. These monthly 2010 was 6189. Of these, 93 are currently serving their payments continue to be made on time. The LSC also sentence in the community under licence following their has a target to pay all bills within six weeks (with the release from custody. exception of crime litigator fees for which an eight-week target applies) and will review any claim where a bill is The National Offender Management Service (NOMS) not paid within this timescale. does not hold centrally information on how many offenders serving IPPs are former servicemen. For Civil Licensed Work, the LSC acknowledge that payments are currently taking longer than in the equivalent These figures do not include releases relating to those period last year. This is due to a significant increase in sentenced to an IPP/DPP which was later quashed or numbers of claims in addition to tighter checks and those prisoners who had died following release but controls that the LSC has put in place for the scrutiny of prior to 4 June 2010. The figures were taken from the claims following the National Audit Office’s qualification Public Protection Unit Database (PPUD) in the National of the LSC’s 2008-09 accounts. The LSC has made Offender Management Service, and, as with any large additional staff available to process payments with the scale recording system, it is subject to possible errors aim of addressing the increase in volume. arising from either data entry or processing. The PPUD is a live database, updated on a regular basis. As a The LSC has also recently reminded providers about result, snapshots taken in consecutive days will contain the supporting information that they need to submit to differences reflecting updates. help it to process claims as quickly as possible and ensure that public money is being spent only on those Prisoners’ Release: Disclosure of Information who qualify for help. Mr Watson: To ask the Secretary of State for Justice Prison Sentences (1) what his policy is on using the provisions of the Data Protection (Processing of Sensitive Personal Tom Brake: To ask the Secretary of State for Justice Data) Order 2009 to provide information to hon. (1) how many men had been released after serving an Members in respect of (a) the release from prison of indeterminate sentence for public protection on the certain high risk offenders and (b) the presence of such latest date for which figures are available; [2500] offenders in the constituencies of hon. Members; [3532] (2) how many (a) women and (b) men who served an indeterminate sentence for public protection remain (2) what assessment has been made of the under supervision. [2501] effectiveness of the Data Protection (Processing of Sensitive Personal Data) Order 2009. [2958]

Mr Blunt: Up to 4 June 2010, 133 prisoners serving Mr Blunt: The Data Protection (Processing of Sensitive an Indeterminate Sentence for Public Protection (IPP) Personal Data) Order 2009, underpins the Critical Public or Detention for Public Protection (DPP) had been Protection Case Notification Scheme, which allows released, of which 124 prisoners were male and nine Members who wish to be informed of the release of a female. Of the total prisoners released, two male prisoners dangerous offender into their constituency to sign a were released early for compassionate reasons. The confidentiality agreement and receive notification of remainder were released by the Parole Board once the such releases. The scheme allows for Members to be offender had served the minimum custodial term (tariff). reassured of the robust arrangements in place to manage Of the total number of prisoners (male and female) those offenders on their release from custody and to released, 34 have been subsequently recalled to custody make further inquiries. and six have been deported. This leaves 93 offenders As I made clear in my answer of 17 June, Official who remain subject to supervision in the community as Report, column 567W, and in my letter to all MPs on of 4 June, of which 88 are men and five are women. 11 June 2010, I am continuing the scheme. The risk These figures do not include releases relating to those management plans for relevant offenders involve the sentenced to an IPP that was later quashed or those close collaboration between the Police and Probation prisoners who had died following release but prior to Trusts through the Multi-Agency Public Protection 4 June 2010. Arrangements (MAPPA). Offender managers will supervise 55W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 56W offenders to ensure that they comply with their licence Sexual Offences conditions and, where they do not, they are liable to recall to custody. Glenda Jackson: To ask the Secretary of State for Since the Data Protection (Processing of Sensitive Justice (1) how many of those convicted of domestic Personal Data) Order 2009 was approved by Parliament, violence offences between 2003 and 2010 had a history 16 notification letters have been sent out to 13 Members. of a consensual sexual relationship with the person As the vast majority of relevant offenders are released against whom their offences were perpetrated; [3601] initially into Approved Premises, formerly known as (2) pursuant to the answer of 15 June 2010 to the probation and bail hostels, notifications will mostly be hon. Member for Wolverhampton North East, Official sent to Members with an Approved Premises in their Report, column 727, on rape defendants (anonymity), constituencies. in which completed cases a woman was murdered between 2003 and 2010 by someone well known to her Rape and where there was a history of consensual sexual relationship. [3616] Caroline Flint: To ask the Secretary of State for Justice (1) what recent research his Department has Mr Blunt: The Director of Analytical Services in the evaluated on the level of stigma associated with an Ministry of Justice is to compile all the available research accusation of (a) rape, (b) domestic violence, (c) and statistics relating to this issue into an independent murder, (d) child abuse and (e) other sexual offences; report and publish this before summer recess. [2744] (2) what estimate his Department has made of the number of false allegations of (a) rape, (b) other violent crimes and (c) all other offences made in the ENERGY AND CLIMATE CHANGE last three years; [2745] Energy: Subsidies Mr Blunt: I refer the hon. Member to my answer to the hon. Member for Warrington North (Helen Jones) Zac Goldsmith: To ask the Secretary of State for on 17 June 2010, Official Report, column 569W. Energy and Climate Change what progress has been made on implementation of the Johannesburg Summit The Director of Analytical Services in the Ministry agreement on phasing out energy subsidies which of Justice has been asked to compile all the available inhibit sustainable development; and if he will make a research and statistics relating to this issue into an statement. [2334] independent report and publish this before summer recess. Charles Hendry: G20 countries committed at Pittsburgh Rape: Rights of Accused in 2009 to rationalize and phase out over the medium term inefficient fossil fuel subsidies that encourage wasteful consumption. Progress will be discussed at the Toronto Sheila Gilmore: To ask the Secretary of State for summit later this month. Justice what discussions his Department has had with Rape Crisis on the proposals to grant anonymity to Human Tissue Analysis in UK Nuclear Facilities defendants in rape cases. [3069] Inquiry

Mr Blunt: Ministers and officials in my Department Caroline Lucas: To ask the Secretary of State for and in the Home Office have not as yet held any Energy and Climate Change if he will publish the discussions with Rape Crisis about the proposals. report of the Redfern Inquiry on examination of tissue taken from individuals who had worked in the nuclear Reparation by Offenders industry in time to ensure that hon. Members are able to debate its findings before the summer adjournment. Dr Huppert: To ask the Secretary of State for Justice [3652] what his most recent assessment is of the cost effectiveness of restorative justice programmes and Charles Hendry: There is currently no publication their effect on the recidivism rate. [3111] date for the report of the Redfern inquiry on examination of tissue taken from individuals who had worked in the Mr Blunt: The term ‘restorative justice’ is widely used nuclear industry. We do expect to make an announcement to describe a range of interventions, both formal and before summer recess. informal. It can refer to interventions where an offender takes steps to make good their offence in some way Nuclear Power Stations: Construction and/or to interventions that give victims the chance to explain the impact that their experience of being a Ms Ritchie: To ask the Secretary of State for Energy victim has had on them, or to seek an apology, or and Climate Change what estimate he has made of the answers to any questions they may have, from an offender. cost to the public purse of the subsidy for the proposed A range of restorative justice approaches are in use £20 billion building programme for new nuclear plants. within the criminal justice system. [3543] The evidence base for restorative justice approaches is complex and to date, there has been no comprehensive Charles Hendry: The coalition agreement is clear that cost benefit analysis of restorative justice approaches. I there will be no public subsidy for new nuclear power have asked officials to undertake this work. stations. 57W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 58W

Radioactive Waste: Waste Management Table 1 shows the proportion of electricity generated from renewable sources of energy between 1990 and Ms Ritchie: To ask the Secretary of State for Energy 2009. Data for 2009 are provisional and exclude an and Climate Change what his Department’s budget is estimate for non-bio degradable waste use. for the clean up of existing nuclear waste in 2010-11. Table 1: UK Generation from renewable sources, 1990-2009 [3544] Proportion of electricity UK Generation generated from Charles Hendry: The total planned expenditure for Total UK from Renewable renewable sources the Nuclear Decommissioning Authority, the body Generation (GWh) sources (GWh) (%) responsible for the clean up of the UK’s historic civil public sector nuclear, for 2010-11 is £2.84 billion. The 1990 319,739 5,812 1.8 Department directly funds £1.69 billion and the remainder 1991 322,875 5,320 1.6 is generated by NDA’s commercial operations. 1992 321,043 6,398 2.0 1993 323,102 5,717 1.8 Renewable Energy 1994 324,978 6,956 2.1 1995 334,047 6,871 2.1 Jonathan Edwards: To ask the Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change what his plans are for the 1996 350,868 5,685 1.6 future of the Renewable Heat Incentive; and if he will 1997 350,666 6,945 2.0 make a statement. [3051] 1998 362,702 8,648 2.4 1999 368,151 9,616 2.6 Gregory Barker: I refer the hon. Member to the 2000 377,069 9,914 2.6 answer I gave my hon. Friend the Member for Sevenoaks 2001 384,778 9,549 2.5 (Michael Fallon) on 15 June 2010, Official Report, 2002 387,246 11,127 2.9 columns 367-368W. 2003 398,209 10,600 2.7 Mr Meacher: To ask the Secretary of State for 2004 393,929 14,147 3.6 Energy and Climate Change what proportion of 2005 398,303 16,940 4.3 electricity was generated from renewable sources of 2006 397,292 18,116 4.6 energy in each of the last 20 years; and what 2007 397,044 19,646 4.9 information his Department holds for benchmarking 2008 389,649 21,597 5.5 purposes on comparable figures for (a) Germany, (b) 2009 371,754 24,680 6.6 France, (c) Italy, (d) Spain, (e) the Netherlands, (f) Austria, (g) Finland, (h) Denmark and (i) Sweden. [3541] Table 2 shows similar data obtained from Eurostat, for 1997 to 2007. However, this uses a different definition, Charles Hendry: The information requested is as showing renewable generation as a proportion of gross follows: electricity consumption.

Table 2: Electricity generated from renewable sources as % of gross electricity consumption, for European countries, 1997-2007 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007

EU(27 13.1 13.4 13.4 13.8 14.4 12.9 12.9 13.9 14 14.6 15.6 countries) EU(25 12.8 13.1 13.1 13.7 14.2 12.7 12.7 13.7 13.6 14.3 15.5 countries) EU(15 13.8 14 14 14.6 15.2 13.5 13.7 14.7 14.5 15.3 16.6 countries) Belgium 1 1.1 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.8 1.8 2.1 2.8 3.9 4.2 Bulgaria 7 8.1 7.7 7.4 4.7 6 7.8 8.9 11.8 11.2 7.5 Czech Republic 3.5 3.2 3.8 3.6 4 4.6 2.8 4 4.5 4.9 4.7 Denmark 8.9 11.7 13.3 16.7 17.3 19.9 23.2 27.1 28.3 26 29 Germany 4.3 4.8 5.5 6.5 6.5 8.1 8.2 9.5 10.5 12 15.1 Estonia 0.1 0.2 0.2 0.3 0.2 0.5 0.6 0.7 1.1 1.4 1.5 Ireland 3.8 5.5 5 4.9 4.2 5.4 4.3 5.1 6.8 8.5 9.3 Greece 8.6 7.9 9.5 7.7 5.2 6.2 9.7 9.5 10 12.1 6.8 Spain 19.7 18.6 12.8 15.7 20.7 13.8 21.7 18.5 15 17.7 20 France 15.2 14.4 16.5 15.1 16.5 13.7 13 12.9 11.3 12.5 13.3 Italy 16 15.6 16.9 16 16.8 14.3 13.7 15.9 14.1 14.5 13.7 Cyprus 00000000000 Latvia 46.7 68.2 45.5 47.7 46.1 39.3 35.4 47.1 48.4 37.7 36.4 Lithuania 2.6 3.6 3.8 3.4 3 3.2 2.8 3.5 3.9 3.6 4.6 Luxembourg 2 2.5 2.5 2.9 1.6 2.8 2.3 3.2 3.2 3.4 3.7 Hungary 0.8 0.7 1.1 0.7 0.8 0.7 0.9 2.3 4.6 3.7 4.6 Malta00000000000 Netherlands 3.5 3.8 3.4 3.9 4 3.6 4.7 5.7 7.5 7.9 7.6 Austria 67.5 67.9 71.3 72.4 67.2 66.1 53.1 58.7 57.4 56.6 59.8 59W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 60W

Table 2: Electricity generated from renewable sources as % of gross electricity consumption, for European countries, 1997-2007 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007

Poland 1.8 2.1 1.9 1.7 2 2 1.6 2.1 2.9 2.9 3.5 Portugal 38.3 36 20.5 29.4 34.2 20.8 36.4 24.4 16 29.4 30.1 Romania 30.5 35 36.7 28.8 28.4 30.8 24.3 29.9 35.8 31.4 26.9 Slovenia 26.9 29.2 31.6 31.7 30.5 25.4 22 29.1 24.2 24.4 22.1 Slovakia 14.5 15.5 16.3 16.9 17.9 j 19.2 12.4 14.4 16.7 16.6 16.6 Finland 25.3 27.4 26.3 28.5 25.7 23.7 21.8 28.3 26.9 24 26 Sweden 49.1 52.4 50.6 55.4 54.1 46.9 39.9 46.1 54.3 48.2 52.1 United 1.9 2.4 2.7 2.7 2.5 2.9 2.8 3.7 4.3 4.6 5.1 Kingdom Croatia 38.8 38.3 45.1 40 42.7 33.9 29.4 41 36.2 33.4 23 FYR ——————————— Macedonia Turkey 38.1 37.3 29.5 24.3 19.1 25.6 25.2 30.9 24.7 25.5 19.2 Iceland 99.9 99.9 99.9 99.9 100 99.9 99.9 100 99.9 100 Liechtenstein ——————————— Norway 95.3 96.2 100.7 112.2 96.2 107.3 92.1 89.7 108.4 98.4 106.1 Switzerland———————————

Renewable Energy: Feed-in Tariffs HEALTH Abortion: Young People Jonathan Edwards: To ask the Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change what criteria the Mr Amess: To ask the Secretary of State for Health Government plans to put in place for eligibility for how many women aged (a) 18, (b) 17, (c) 16, (d) 15, grants for feed-in tariffs. [3050] (e) 14, (f) 13 and (g) 12 years old in each strategic Charles Hendry: The GB feed-in tariffs (FITs) scheme health authority area who had had (i) one, (ii) two, (iii) allows combination of grant and FITs payments if the three, authority is satisfied that the making of FIT payments (iv) four, (v) five, (vi) six, (vii) seven, (viii) eight, (ix) nine in respect of the installation would be in accordance and (x) 10 or more previous abortions had an abortion with the law relating to state aid. in 2009. [2917] The European Commission published their decision Anne Milton: The information we can provide is in relation to state aid and the GB FITs scheme on shown in the following table. The Department has 14 June 2010. The decision—number N94/2010—is available withheld data where there are totals of less than 10 from the EC website at: (between 0 and nine) cases as we believe the disclosure http://ec.europa.eu/competition/state_aid/register/ii/ of this information could breach an individual’s by_case_nr_n2010_0090.html#94 confidentiality. This is in accordance with the Office for We are considering the implications of this decision National Statistics guidance on the disclosure of abortion on the FITs scheme in the context of our overall approach statistics (2005). to energy and climate change. We will make an announcement in due course. Previous abortions by age under 19 and Strategic Health Authority of residence, 2009 Ian Swales: To ask the Secretary of State for Energy Strategic Number of Health previous Age under Total under and Climate Change what his policy is on Authority abortions 18 18 age 19 grandfathering of biomass feed-in tariffs. [3538] East of 0 1,445 752 2,197 Charles Hendry: The consultation on biomass England grandfathering policy closed on 28 May, DECC officials 1+ 104 133 237 are currently analysing the responses. Total 1,549 885 2,434 Electricity generation from biomass (other than anaerobic digestion) is not eligible for feed-in tariffs. Biomass East Midlands 0 1,189 661 1,850 electricity generation at all scales is eligible for support 1+ 60 91 151 through the renewables obligation. Total 1,249 752 2,001

DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER London 0 2,460 1,401 3,861 Constituencies 1+ 393 419 812 Total 2,853 1,820 4,673 Andrew Gwynne: To ask the Deputy Prime Minister what definition of equal-sized constituencies he uses. [3237] North East 0 864 401 1,265 1+ 47 60 107 Mr Harper: The Government have announced that Total 911 461 1,372 they will introduce legislation to provide for the creation of fewer and more equally-sized constituencies. Details of these provisions will be announced in due course and North West 0 2,527 1,341 3,868 Parliament will have the opportunity to debate them. 1+ 194 239 433 61W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 62W

Previous abortions by age under 19 and Strategic Health Authority of residence, Previous abortions by age under 19 and Strategic Health Authority of residence, 2009 2009 Strategic Number of Strategic Number of Health previous Age under Total under Health previous Age under Total under Authority abortions 18 18 age 19 Authority abortions 18 18 age 19

Total 2,721 1,580 4,301 Wales 0 940 450 1,390 1+ 56 79 135

South Central 0 933 541 1,474 Total 996 529 1,525 1+ 73 96 169 Total 1,006 637 1,643 England and 0 16,486 8,831 25,317 Wales 1+ 1,430 1,690 3,120 South East 0 1,166 625 1,791 Total 17,916 10,521 28,437 1+ 109 110 219 Note: Total 1,275 735 2,010 Ages and number of previous abortions are grouped where totals are less than 10 (between 0 and nine) or where a presented total would reveal a suppressed value from previously published data. South West 0 1,364 747 2,111 1+ 92 110 202 Alcoholic Drinks: Misuse Total 1,456 857 2,313 Keith Vaz: To ask the Secretary of State for Health Yorkshire and 0 1,937 1,013 2,950 how many adults were treated for mental health issues the Humber attributable to alcohol misuse (a) nationally, (b) in the 1+ 185 204 389 East Midlands and (c) in Leicester in each of the last Total 2,122 1,217 3,339 five years. [2561] Anne Milton: The information is shown in the following West 0 1,661 899 2,560 Midlands table. It should be noted that the figures include admissions 1+ 117 149 266 where mental and behavioural disorder due to alcohol is a secondary diagnosis, as well as those where it is the Total 1,778 1,048 2,826 primary diagnosis. A secondary diagnosis will not in all cases be a cause of admission.

Number of finished admissions of patients aged over 18 with a diagnosis of mental and behavioural disorders due to use of alcohol 2004-05 2005-06 2006-07 2007-08 2008-09

Leicester 967 1,348 1,619 1,552 1,506 East Midlands 7,715 8,523 9,741 10,159 11,570 England 106,255 120,139 123,907 131,146 144,141 Notes: 1. Includes activity in English national health service hospitals and English NHS commissioned activity in the independent sector. 2. Finished admission episodes A finished admission episode is the first period of inpatient care under one consultant within one health care provider. Finished admission episodes are counted against the year in which the admission episode finishes. It should be noted that admissions do not represent the number of in-patients, as a person may have more than one admission within the year. 3. Primary diagnosis The primary diagnosis is the first of up to 20 (14 from 2002-03 to 2006-07 and seven prior to 2002-03) diagnosis fields in the Hospital Episode Statistics (HES) data set and provides the main reason why the patient was admitted to hospital. 4. Secondary diagnosis As well as the primary diagnosis, there are up to 19 (13 from 2002-03 to 2007-08 and six prior to 2002-03) secondary diagnosis fields in HES that show other diagnoses relevant to the episode of care. 5. Data quality HES are compiled from data sent by more than 300 NHS trusts and primary care trusts in England. Data are also received from a number of independent sector organisations for activity commissioned by the English NHS. The NHS Information Centre for health and social care liaises closely with these organisations to encourage submission of complete and valid data and seeks to minimise inaccuracies and the effect of missing and invalid data via HES processes. While this brings about improvement over time, some shortcomings remain. 6. Assessing growth through time HES figures are available from 1989-90 onwards. The quality and coverage of the data have improved over time. These improvements in information submitted by the NHS have been particularly marked in the earlier years and need to be borne in mind when analysing time series. Some of the increase in figures for later years (particularly 2006-07 onwards) may be due to the improvement in the coverage of independent sector activity. Changes in NHS practice also need to be borne in mind when analysing time series. For example, a number of procedures may now be undertaken in outpatient settings and may no longer be accounted for in the HES data. This may account for any reductions in activity over time. 7. Assignment of Episodes to Years Years are assigned by the end of the first period of care in a patient’s hospital stay. Cause code: The ICD-10 code for mental and behavioural disorders due to use of alcohol is F10. Source: Hospital Episode Statistics (HES), The NHS Information Centre for health and social care.

Keith Vaz: To ask the Secretary of State for Health Anne Milton: The information is shown in the how many adults have been treated by the NHS for following table. The proportion of hypertension high blood pressure attributable to alcohol misuse (a) caused by alcohol is an estimate. It should be nationally, (b) in the East Midlands and (c) in noted that the figures include admissions where Leicester in each of the last five years. [2562] hypertension is a secondary diagnosis, as well as those 63W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 64W where it is the primary diagnosis. A secondary diagnosis regional variation in provision of continuing health will not in all cases be a cause of admission. care; how many patients are receiving continuing Number of finished admissions of patients aged over 18 with a diagnosis of health care in (a) County Durham, (b) North hypertension attributable to alcohol Yorkshire, (c) Cumbria, (d) Leeds and (e) London; 2004-05 2005-06 2006-07 2007-08 2008-09 and if he will make a statement. [2942] Leicester 1,120 1,379 1,664 1,811 1,790 Mr Burstow: Anyone assessed as having a certain East 17,778 19,847 22,250 25,750 29,288 level of care needs may receive national health service Midlands continuing health care. Eligibility is decided after an England 191,063 228,471 262,016 290,633 332,602 assessment has been made by a multidisciplinary team Notes: 1. Includes activity in English national health service hospitals and English using the National Framework for NHS Continuing NHS commissioned activity in the independent sector. Healthcare and NHS-Funded Nursing Care. Finished admission episodes 2. A finished admission episode is the first period of in-patient care under one The Department is working closely with the strategic consultant within one health care provider. Finished admission episodes are health authority (SHA) continuing health care leads to counted against the year in which the admission episode finishes. It should be investigate the variation in provision of continuing health noted that admissions do not represent the number of in-patients, as a person may have more than one admission within the year. care between regions, and between individual primary Primary diagnosis care trusts (PCTs). The SHAs have a managerial 3. The primary diagnosis is the first of up to 20 (14 from 2002-03 to 2006-07 and responsibility to investigate and manage this variation. seven prior to 2002-03) diagnosis fields in the Hospital Episode Statistics (HES) data set and provides the main reason why the patient was admitted to hospital. The number of people in receipt of continuing health Secondary diagnosis care, for the period January to March 2010, is given in 4. As well as the primary diagnosis, there are up to 19 (13 from 2002-03 to 2007-08 and six prior to 2002-03) secondary diagnosis fields in HES that show the following table: other diagnoses relevant to the episode of care. Data quality Organisation Number 5. HES are compiled from data sent by more than 300 NHS trusts and primary care trusts in England. Data is also received from a number of independent County Durham PCT 556 sector organisations for activity commissioned by the English NHS. The NHS Information Centre for health and social care liaises closely with these organisations North Yorkshire and York PCT 858 to encourage submission of complete and valid data and seeks to minimise Cumbria PCT 390 inaccuracies and the effect of missing and invalid data via HES processes. While Leeds PCT 845 this brings about improvement over time, some shortcomings remain. Assessing growth through time London SHA 7,072 6. HES figures are available from 1989-90 onwards. The quality and coverage of the data have improved over time. These improvements in information submitted Darent Valley Hospital by the NHS have been particularly marked in the earlier years and need to be borne in mind when analysing time series. Some of the increase in figures for later years (particularly 2006-07 onwards) may be due to the improvement in Gareth Johnson: To ask the Secretary of State for the coverage of independent sector activity. Health how many patients were treated in the accident Changes in NHS practice also need to be borne in mind when analysing time and emergency department at Darent Valley Hospital series. For example, a number of procedures may now be undertaken in out-patient settings and may no longer be accounted for in the HES data. This in each of the last five years. [3087] may account for any reductions in activity over time. Assignment of Episodes to Years Mr Simon Burns: The information is not available in 7. Years are assigned by the end of the first period of care in a patient’s hospital stay. the format requested. Such information as is available is Cause code: in the following table: 8. The ICD-10 codes for hypertension are I10 to I15. From work carried out by the North West Public Health Observatory we are able to estimate what the Attendances at Type 1 Accident and Emergency (A&E) Departments, Dartford proportion of hospital admissions are due to alcohol consumption, this is and Gravesham NHS Trust (Darent Valley Hospital), 2005-06 to 2009-10 known as the alcohol attributable fraction (MF). Hypertensive diseases have an Follow-up MF of 0.34 for males and 0.24 for females. First attendances attendances Total attendances Source: Hospital Episode Statistics (HES), The NHS Information Centre for health and 2005-06 64,544 4,090 68,634 social care 2006-07 61,102 3,353 64,455 Autism: Children 2007-08 39,328 3,367 42,695 2008-09 41,649 3,123 44,772 Andrew Gwynne: To ask the Secretary of State for 2009-10 46,063 3,424 49,487 Health (1) what assessment he has made of the Notes: adequacy of the provision of mental health services for 1. The Department collects this data from NHS trusts rather than hospital sites. children with autism; [2871] 2. Information is not collected on the number of patients treated at A&E departments. However, data on the number of attendances at A&E departments (2) what assessment he has made of the effectiveness are available and published quarterly via the Department’s QMAE dataset. of mental health services provision in improving the This includes patients who attended A&E but who were not subsequently treated and counts each attendance by the same patient separately. mental health for children with autism. [2873] 3. Definition of a Type 1 A&E department: A consultant-led 24-hour service with full resuscitation facilities and designated accommodation for the reception Mr Burstow: It is for local partners to agree how the of accident and emergency patients. commissioning process can best meet the complex needs Source: Department of Health: The Quarterly Monitoring Accident and Emergency of children with autism who have mental health problems. Data Set (QMAE) We are looking at what might need to be done to Dementia: Drugs improve child and adolescent mental health services, including meeting the particular needs of this group. Mr Mike Hancock: To ask the Secretary of State for Continuing Care Health which (a) individuals and (b) organisations contributed to the national audit on the prescribing of Miss Anne McIntosh: To ask the Secretary of State anti-psychotic drugs referred to in his Department’s for Health what criteria apply in deciding whether a response to Professor Sube Banerjee’s report on the primary care trust pays for continuing health care; prescribing of anti-psychotic drugs to people with what assessment his Department has made of levels of dementia of 12 November 2009. [3420] 65W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 66W

Mr Burstow: The National Audit will be starting “When a service user permanently moves from one council shortly, with the results anticipated to be available in area to another (or has a clear intention to move to another October 2010. council), the council whose area they move into should take account of the support that was previously received and the effect Departmental Reviews of any substantial changes on the service user when carrying out the assessment and making decisions about what level of support will be provided. If the new council decides to provide a significantly Andrew Miller: To ask the Secretary of State for different support package, they should produce clear and written Health pursuant to the answer of 8 June 2010, Official explanations for the service user.” Report, column 137W, on Government departments: A copy of the guidance has already been placed in reviews, what reviews his Department is undertaking; the Library. and what the (a) purpose and (b) timescale of each is. [2586] The Government have announced their intention to establish a commission on funding long-term care. The Mr Simon Burns: We will bring forward detailed portability of adult social care across English local information about reviews in due course. authorities could be an important issue that the commission needs to take into account when considering how to Dietary Supplements: EU Law implement any future funding model for the social care system. Robert Halfon: To ask the Secretary of State for Transferability of care packages across local authority Health (1) what the pay band is of each official boundaries would run counter to the way in which local assigned to handling negotiations at EU level on behalf government is organised, in terms of local discretion of the Government in relation to the setting of and their budget responsibilities. When children move maximum permitted levels for vitamins and minerals in from one local authority to another, their new local food supplements under the provisions of Article 5 of authority should not necessarily start their assessment the EU food supplements directive; [3152] afresh, but should base the local assessment and service (2) what his objective is for negotiations at EU level provision on information about the effectiveness of on maximum permitted levels for vitamins and their package of support in their previous authority. minerals in food supplements under the provisions of Article 5 of the EU food supplements directive; and General Practitioners: Equality what steps Ministers in his Department plan to take to ensure that those objectives are achieved. [3153] Glenda Jackson: To ask the Secretary of State for Anne Milton: The Food Standards Agency (FSA) Health if he will ensure that women and men general represents the United Kingdom in negotiations at European practitioners are equally represented on the proposed Union level on the setting of maximum permitted levels NHS GP Commissioning Board. [2902] for vitamins and minerals in recommended daily doses of food supplements. The FSA has advised that the Mr Simon Burns: We will bring forward proposals for European Commission has indicated that discussions the NHS Commissioning Board in due course. The will continue at working group level later in 2010. constitution of the board will be consistent with all the requirements of employment and equalities legislation. A team of officials of varying pay bands are responsible for this issue. Whilst FSA officials at Grade 7 and above Mental Health Services in seniority will normally represent the UK in EU level discussions, the FSA deploys staff resources flexibly, Emma Reynolds: To ask the Secretary of State for using to the best effect the available skills and expertise, Health what guidance his Department provides to to ensure that the UK is best positioned to deliver its healthcare providers on the priority to be given to use objectives. of cognitive behavioural therapy and other talking The objective in the negotiations is to ensure that therapies for people with severe mental illness. [3098] levels are set on the basis of science and safety in accordance with the requirements of the EU Food Mr Burstow: We have set out, in Our Programme for Supplements Directive 2002/46/EC. Government, a commitment to ensure greater access to Disability: Social Services talking therapies to reduce long-term costs for the national health service. This is a clear public health priority for Mr Andrew Smith: To ask the Secretary of State for us and we are currently working to identify how we will Health (1) if he will publish a code of practice for the take forward this commitment. assessment and management of support packages for Revised National Institute for Health and Clinical social care of severely disabled children and adults; Excellence (NICE) guidance on schizophrenia was [2029] published in March 2009. This outlines the best way to (2) if he will take steps to ensure that care treat and manage adults with schizophrenia in primary assessments and support packages for severely disabled and secondary care. The guidance recommends that children and adults are readily portable from one treatments such as cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT) authority to another. [2030] should be offered to all people with schizophrenia. Psychological therapies can be a key element of the Mr Burstow: The current Guidance on Eligibility treatment of people with severe and enduring mental Criteria for Adult Social Care, England 2010 “Prioritising health conditions, particularly when these conditions need in the context of Putting People First: A whole are experienced alongside depression and anxiety disorders. system approach to eligibility for social care”, published In these cases, the delivery of CBT and other NICE- in February 2010, states: compliant therapies is the recommended treatment. Services 67W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 68W for these clients is largely provided by psychology NHS trust chairs departments in specialist mental health trusts. The £ implementation of Improving Access to Psychological NHS trust band 1 23,366 Therapies services for people in community settings with mild to moderate conditions can reduce the number NHS trust band 2 20,896 of referrals to specialist mental health trusts and enable NHS trust band 3 18,437 them to focus on providing services to those with severe NHS trust non-executive directors 6,096 and enduring mental illness. The Appointments Commission, an executive non- General practitioners or consultant psychiatrists can departmental public body manage appointments to NHS prescribe any medicine or treatment which they consider trusts on behalf of the Secretary of State for Health to be necessary for treating NHS patients, including and publish levels of remuneration on their website. NICE-approved treatments, provided that the local primary As a requirement of the Commissioner for Public care trust or NHS trust agree to supply it on the NHS. Appointments Code of Practice, levels of remuneration Clinicians are responsible for deciding on the most are also publicised in appointment press releases. appropriate form of treatment for their patients, and in doing so they are expected to take NICE guidance fully Surgical Dressings into account. The Department does not become involved in making clinical decisions. Esther McVey: To ask the Secretary of State for Health what guidance his Department issues to (a) Mental Health Services: Children general practitioners, (b) primary care trusts and (c) NHS trusts on the (i) re-use and (ii) disposal of cloth bandages. [2598] Grahame M. Morris: To ask the Secretary of State for Health if he will make it his policy to require staff Mr Simon Burns: The Department has issued Health working in child and adolescent mental health services Technical Memorandum 07-01 “Safe Management of to receive basic training on autism. [3067] Healthcare Waste” for all involved in the management of health care waste, including general practitioners, Mr Burstow: Staff working in Child and Adolescent primary care trusts and national health service trusts. Mental Health Services (CAMHS) should have the The guidance covers types of waste produced directly necessary values, competencies, skills, and ongoing training from health care activities, including bandages, and to enable them to recognise and respond to the identified focuses on the management and risk assessment of needs of children, including those with autism. We are medicinal and infectious waste. A copy of the document looking at what might need to be done to ensure CAMHS has already been placed in the Library. offer proper support to those with autism spectrum All medical devices have to meet the requirements of disorders. the relevant Medical Device Regulations and, when used as intended, should be acceptably safe. The Medicines NHS: Digital Technology and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency guidance on using medical devices is to follow the instructions for Alun Michael: To ask the Secretary of State for use provided by the manufacturer which, for bandages, Health if he will ensure that the principles of digital may be found on the labelling or the packaging. If inclusion are taken into account in the delivery of medical devices are labelled as single-use only, they mainstream health services. [3428] must not be re-used.

Mr Simon Burns: No one should be excluded from mainstream health services because they do not have WORK AND PENSIONS digital access. We are committed to enabling patients to Access to Work Programme have greater access to the information they need to play a more active part in decisions about their own care. Kate Green: To ask the Secretary of State for Work Informed patients are more likely to have a good patient and Pensions what plans he has for the Jobcentre Plus experience, to achieve a partnership with clinicians treating Access to Work programme. [2494] them and overall have a better outcome. We are looking Maria Miller: Access to Work provides financial help at a range of ways of making that possible, which will towards the extra costs faced by disabled people in include by digital means. work, where this goes beyond what would be reasonable for an employer to meet. Access to Work supported NHS: Pay 32,120 disabled people during 2008-09. Official statistics for 2009-10 will be published on 27 July. John Mann: To ask the Secretary of State for Health The Government are reviewing current welfare to whether he has made an assessment of the level of work programmes, including Access to Work, to ensure transparency of the mechanisms by which NHS trusts that the support is effective and value for money. We are publish details of the remuneration of non-executive committed to ensuring disabled people are given the directors. [3438] right support they need to get a job and remain in employment. Mr Simon Burns: Levels of remuneration for non- The Coalition Agreement announced plans to allow executive directors have been determined centrally by customers to confirm eligibility for Access to Work the Government. On 10 March 2010, it was announced before applying for a job. We are drawing up plans for that there would be no increase to these rates for 2010-11. implementation and further details will be announced Current rates are as follows: in due course. 69W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 70W

Carer’s Allowance People in receipt of Carer’s Allowance in Redcar constituency November 2004-09 Mr Hepburn: To ask the Secretary of State for Work Number and Pensions how many people have been in receipt of November 2004 1,250 carer’s allowance in (a) Jarrow constituency, (b) August 2005 1,280 South Tyneside, (c) the North East and (d) the UK in November 2006 1,250 each year since the allowance’s inception. [2394] November 2007 1,260 November 2008 1,270 Maria Miller: The available information is in the November 2009 1,300 table. Carer’s allowance cases in payment since August 2003 Departmental Manpower South Jarrow Tyneside North-east parliamentary local Government Great Stewart Hosie: To ask the Secretary of State for Date constituency authority office region Britain Work and Pensions how many (a) special advisers and (b) press officers are employed by his Department; and August 2003 790 1,400 24,640 400,090 at what Civil Service pay grade in each such case. November 810 1,430 24,840 406,150 2003 [1265] November 840 1,480 25,630 431,580 2004 Chris Grayling: The information requested is as follows: November 850 1,520 25,810 443,990 (a) I refer the hon. Member to the answer given by 2005 the Prime Minister on 10 June, Official Report, columns 33- November 900 1,600 26,470 458,820 2006 34W. November 900 1,620 26,980 472,300 (b) Press office covers all of the Department’s 2007 responsibilities including Jobcentre Plus and the Pensions, November 920 1,710 28,270 496,030 2008 Disability and Carers Service, for the national and November 970 1,800 29,800 526,480 regional media across the English regions, Scotland and 2009 Wales. Notes: The Department currently employs: 1. Caseload figures are rounded to the nearest 10. 2. Invalid care allowance was renamed carer’s allowance from April 2003. (i) National Press Office: one Acting Head of News 3. The earliest data available are from August 2003. Prior to August 2003, and two Chief Press Officers all at Grade 7, two Senior figures are based on those with entitlement only. This means that caseload figures cannot be broken down by whether or not a case is in payment. As a Information Officers and seven Information Officers. result, carer’s allowance data are restricted to August 2003 onwards. (ii) Regional Press Offices: one Head of Regional Source: Department for Work and Pensions Information Directorate: Work and Pensions Media at Senior Information Officer pay grade, three Longitudinal Study Senior Information Officers and 14 Information Officers. Helen Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for Work Departmental Official Cars and Pensions (1) whether he plans to amend the earnings limit which applies to carer’s allowance; [3474] Mr Watson: To ask the Secretary of State for Work (2) what recent assessment he has made of the and Pensions how many (a) civil servants and (b) adequacy of the level of benefits available to carers; special advisers in his Department are entitled to the and if he will make a statement. [3472] use of (i) a car with a dedicated driver, (ii) a car from the Government car pool and (iii) a taxi ordered Maria Miller: The Government recognise that the through a departmental account. [3193] UK’s 6 million carers play an indispensable role in looking after friends or family members who need Chris Grayling: The information requested is as follows: support. It also acknowledges the important role that both cash benefits and employment assistance play, (a) The Department for Work and Pensions Permanent especially in enabling many carers to combine care Secretary is the only civil servant who has entitlement giving with paid employment. to use one of the Government Car Service’s pool of four DWP vehicles. All of these vehicles have a dedicated The earnings limit for Carer’s Allowance was raised driver. in April from £95 to £100 and is net of certain taxes and expenses, including the costs of paying for care. (b) DWP special advisers do not have entitlement to We have set out our commitment to simplify the use the Government Car Service pool of cars. benefit system in order to improve work incentives and Within the UK, the DWP has only one departmental encourage responsibility and fairness. We will consider account for taxis, which covers London (within the carefully the needs of carers as we develop our thinking M25—extending to London Airports). All DWP staff on welfare reform. and special advisers are entitled to use this taxi account; Carer’s Allowance: Redcar however staff should always consider whether travelling by taxi is a necessity, having considered alternative Ian Swales: To ask the Secretary of State for Work travel methods, business needs, sustainability issues, and Pensions how many people in Redcar constituency increased public scrutiny of expenses and cost. Exceptional (a) are in receipt of carer’s allowance and (b) were in occasions where taxi travel is necessary may include: receipt of carer’s allowance in each of the last five Where a taxi can be shared with other colleagues and the fare years. [3547] would be cheaper than public transport; and For journeys where there is no other suitable method of public Maria Miller: The information requested is as follows: transport. 71W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 72W

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Ian Austin: To ask the Secretary of State for Work Ian Austin: To ask the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions whether any domestic properties in the and Pensions what (a) documents and (b) other gift of the Government have been allocated to the use information for which (i) his Department and (ii) its of Ministers in his Department. [1795] associated public bodies are responsible are published or provided in the UK in languages other than English; Chris Grayling: No domestic properties in the gift of for what reason each such publication is required to be the Government have been allocated for the use of made available in a language or languages other than Ministers in the Department for Work and Pensions. English; and what estimate he has made of the cost to Departmental Pay the public purse of the translation work so incurred in the latest period for which figures are available. [1778] Mr Watson: To ask the Secretary of State for Work Chris Grayling: The information requested is not and Pensions pursuant to the answer of 14 June 2010, available as it would incur disproportionate cost. Official Report, columns 280-1W, on departmental manpower, what the salary range is of staff employed at each grade in the private office of each Minister in Electronic Government his Department. [3244] Alun Michael: To ask the Secretary of State for Work Chris Grayling: The salary ranges are as follows: and Pensions what assessment he has made of the contribution of directgov to increasing the level of Grade £ digital inclusion. [3431] SCS Pay Band 1 61,700-117,800 Grade 7 47,550-58,070 Chris Grayling: Digital inclusion is a key driver in the SEO 34,390-40,440 work Directgov undertakes with partners in the voluntary, HEO 28,250-33,530 public and private sector. Directgov’s role as part of this EO 23,940-28,130 agenda is to assist Departments in putting services online in an easy to use, accessible format, and ensuring Departmental Public Expenditure that there is the widest possible access to those services. Directgov is actively promoting digital inclusion initiatives Lisa Nandy: To ask the Secretary of State for Work aimed at encouraging the public online. Over the last and Pensions whether he plans to analyse the year Directgov has promoted the following events: distributional effect of the options for reductions in his Get Online Day Department’s expenditure. [2859] Silver Surfers Day Pass IT On Chris Grayling: The Government set out in their Race Online document Spending Review Framework that they will Online Basics “look closely at the effects of its decisions on different groups in society, especially the least well off, and on different regions.” We believe that Directgov has made substantial progress, (2.4, page 7) and we are committed to working with the Cabinet Office to increase digital inclusion. Further information will be available at the spending review. Employment and Support Allowance Departmental Telephone Services Miss Anne McIntosh: To ask the Secretary of State Jonathan Reynolds: To ask the Secretary of State for for Work and Pensions what his most recent estimate is Work and Pensions how many of his Department’s of the number of claimants of employment and telephone helplines are 0800 numbers which incur call support allowance; and if he will make a statement. charges when called from a mobile phone. [3238] [2946]

Chris Grayling: The Department has a total of 116 Chris Grayling: The most recent available information 0800 voice telephone lines. Of these, 51 are claim lines is that as at November 2009, there were 425,770 which are free for customers to call from the major UK Employment and Support Allowance claimants in Great mobile network operators as a result of an agreement Britain and abroad. reached between the Department and the major operators earlier this year. Notes: 1. Figures are rounded to the nearest 10 The remaining 65 0800 voice telephone lines are in use for the National Benefit Fraud Hotline, Out of 2. Employment and Support Allowance replaced Incapacity Benefit and Income Support paid on the grounds of incapacity for new Hours services, Emergency Lines, Departmental survey, claims from 27 October 2008. Jobcentre switchboards and Departmental pilot lines. In such cases, when a customer asks us, we offer to call 3. Figures are published on: them back. These 65 are being reviewed as part of the http://research.dwp.gov.uk/asd/esa.asp Department’s number rationalisation programme which Source: has, in the last year, seen the total volume of voice 0800 Department for Work and Pensions Information Directorate: numbers reduce from 269 to 116. Work and Pensions Longitudinal Study 73W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 74W

Employment and Support Allowance: South West (2) how much has been paid in funeral payments in (a) England, (b) Wales, (c) Scotland and (d) Jacob Rees-Mogg: To ask the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland in each year since 2000. [2086] Work and Pensions how many people have been assessed for employment and support allowance at Steve Webb: Information regarding funeral payments Flowers Hill, Brislington, Bristol; and how many such for Northern Ireland is a matter for my right hon. people had their applications for that allowance Friend, the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland. rejected following work capability assessments. [2304] The available information is in the tables. Chris Grayling: Data on the outcomes of the work Number of funeral payment claims received in Great Britain by country and capability assessments for employment and support financial year allowance claims in Flowers Hill, Brislington are not England Wales Scotland available. 2000-01 51,130 4,380 8,970 For the Bristol city council area, which covers Brislington, 2001-02 51,850 4,360 9,440 the number of complete assessments for new employment 2002-03 55,260 4,890 10,190 and support allowance claims received between October 2003-04 57,600 5,070 10,330 2008 and August 2009, is 2,900. Of these claims, 1,800 2004-05 54,620 4,760 9,920 were found fit for work. 2005-06 53,940 4,400 9,330 The Department regularly publishes official statistics 2006-07 54,180 4,070 8,820 on the work capability assessment—the statistics were 2007-08 52,430 3,850 8,730 last updated in April 2010 and published in the report 2008-09 55,840 4,090 8,640 “Employment and Support Allowance: Work Capability 2009-10 54,960 4,200 8,440 Assessment: Official Statistics: April 2010”, a copy of which has been placed in the Library. The information Funeral payment gross expenditure in Great Britain by country and financial is also available on the internet at the following address: year £ million http://research.dwp.gov.uk/asd/workingage/esa_wca/ England Wales Scotland esa_wca_arc.asp 2000-01 28.0 2.1 5.6 Employment Schemes: Mentally Ill 2001-02 30.0 2.3 6.0 2002-03 32.4 2.6 6.6 2003-04 37.0 2.9 7.2 Chris Bryant: To ask the Secretary of State for Work 2004-05 36.9 2.3 7.1 and Pensions what plans he has for helping people with 2005-06 36.6 1.9 6.8 mental health problems to find employment and cease 2006-07 37.1 2.1 6.8 being in receipt of benefits. [1719] 2007-08 37.0 2.2 6.8 2008-09 39.5 2.2 6.7 Maria Miller: In accordance with the Coalition 2009-10 38.4 2.2 6.5 Agreement, the Government have committed to introducing Notes: the Work Programme. The Work Programme will replace 1. Gross expenditure includes awards made after reconsideration or appeal. most existing employment programmes and will deliver 2. The number of claims received has been rounded to the nearest 10 and gross expenditure to the nearest £0.1 million. comprehensive support to help longer-term benefit Source: claimants into work, including people with mental health DWP Social Fund Policy, Budget and Management Information System. conditions. The Department also provides a number of specialist Gordon Banks: To ask the Secretary of State for employment programmes to help people with higher Work and Pensions what the average size of funeral support needs to find and stay in supported and payments made to applicants in (a) England, (b) unsupported employment. Support is tailored to the Wales, (c) Scotland and (d) Northern Ireland has needs of an individual customer, and includes a focus been since 2005. [2091] on the needs of people with mental health conditions as necessary. Steve Webb: Information regarding funeral payments From October 2010 we will begin reassessing customers for Northern Ireland is a matter for my right hon. receiving the old style incapacity benefits using the Friend, the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland. Work Capability Assessment. This will help people to access the right kind of support to help them back to The available information is in the table. work. It is a big undertaking and we are working on Funeral payment average award in Great Britain by country and financial year plans to make the change happen as smoothly as possible £ for all customers, including those with mental health England Wales Scotland conditions. 2005-06 1,097 883 1,066 2006-07 1,136 881 1,106 Funeral Payments 2007-08 1,183 961 1,130 2008-09 1,217 974 1,154 Gordon Banks: To ask the Secretary of State for 2009-10 1,230 1,003 1,164 Work and Pensions (1) how many applications have Notes: been made for funeral payments in (a) England, (b) 1. Figures include awards made after reconsideration or appeal. 2. The average award has been rounded to the nearest £1. Wales, (c) Scotland and (d) Northern Ireland in each Source: year since 2000; [2085] DWP Social Fund Policy, Budget and Management Information System. 75W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 76W

Future Jobs Fund Jobcentre Plus recognises the importance of digital inclusion for our customers, especially those who are most disadvantaged Kevin Brennan: To ask the Secretary of State for and face the greatest barriers to work. Work and Pensions what his estimate is of the number Many Jobcentre Plus services are available through digital of jobs which had been created under the Future Jobs channels, including searching for job vacancies, the Benefit Adviser Fund up to 14 June 2010. [3159] Service on Directgov and the option of making a claim online for contributions-based Jobseeker’s Allowance. We aim to help customers Chris Grayling: The latest official statistics Future develop the skills and confidence to use these services together Jobs Fund jobs cover the period up to January 2010. with the growing number of on-line services provided elsewhere The figures show that 8,660 people had started Future in the private, voluntary and public sectors. Jobs Fund jobs. Further statistics will be released later We are looking at a range of ways to address digital exclusion. this summer. These include the appointment of digital inclusion champions in Jobcentres and better signposting to help customers access support Helen Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for Work from our partners, such as the advice and provision available and Pensions how many young people in Warrington through UK Online in England and equivalents in Wales and are in employment financed through the Future Jobs Scotland. We see this work as important in tackling barriers to Fund. [3280] internet access which, with more employers using online recruitment to fill vacancies, is a real barrier to customers finding work. Chris Grayling: The information requested is not Tackling digital exclusion is essential to addressing wider social available. mobility and ensuring that all our customers can benefit from the Jobcentre Plus: Digital Technology improvements that digital technologies can provide in helping Alun Michael: To ask the Secretary of State for Work them move from welfare to work. and Pensions whether he has made a recent assessment Oil: Safety of the extent to which the principles of digital inclusion are taken into account by Jobcentre Plus in the delivery Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for Work of its services. [3430] and Pensions what information his Department holds Chris Grayling: The administration of Jobcentre Plus on the number of safety incidents there have been on is a matter for the chief executive of Jobcentre Plus, oil rigs in each of the last 10 years; and if he will make Darra Singh. I have asked the chief executive to provide a statement. [3167] the right hon. Member with the information requested. Chris Grayling: Table 1 gives the accident statistics Letter from Darra Singh: reported under the Reporting of Injuries, Diseases and The Secretary of State has asked me to reply to your questions Dangerous Occurrences Regulation 1995 (RIDDOR) asking (i) what steps his Department is taking to ensure and (ii) whether he has made a recent assessment of the extent to which, for the UK offshore industry as a whole. It will therefore the principles of digital inclusion are taken into account in the include not only drilling rigs but also installations ranging provision of services by Jobcentre Plus. This is something that from large oil and gas production platforms, floating falls within the responsibilities delegated to me as Chief Executive production installations, drilling rigs and unattended of Jobcentre Plus. gas platforms.

Table 1 Injuries 2000-01 2001-02 2002-03 2003-04 2004-05 2005-06 2006-07 2007-08 2008-09 Total

Fatalities 33030220013 Majorinjuries534764484850394430423 Over three day injuries 177 187 120 103 111 125 164 148 140 1,275 Total injuries 233 237 184 154 159 177 205 192 170 1,711 Dangerous occurrences 764 661 635 530 558 491 485 509 477 5,110

RIDDOR also requires the reporting of certain for those categories of offshore dangerous occurrences dangerous occurrences, and Table 2 gives the statistics which are almost inevitably drilling rig related.

Table 2 2000-01 2001-02 2002-03 2003-04 2004-05 2005-06 2006-07 2007-08 2008-09 Total

Unplanned close BOP 30 32 45 36 36 32 36 28 27 302 (Kicks) ShallowGas0002010003 Unplanned Flow 51120101112 Total —————————619 Note: Figures do not distinguish between minor and major incidents.

Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for Work Maria Miller: The Offshore Division of the Health and Pensions how many officials in his Department are and Safety Executive has 124 specialist inspectors responsible for monitoring the safety of oil rigs in UK responsible for health and safety regulation of the UK’s waters. [3168] offshore oil and gas industry. (Figures as at 1 April 2010) 77W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 78W

Poverty: Children measurement of poverty, particularly non-financial aspects. We will want to take account of that inquiry and the Mr Bain: To ask the Secretary of State for Work and work of the Cabinet Committee for Social Justice in Pensions when he will make a statement under section preparing the UK strategy for eradicating child poverty 9 of the Child Poverty Act 2009 on how the that the Child Poverty Act requires us to publish by Government will meet the targets in that Act to end Marchnextyear. child poverty. [2171] Social Security Benefits Maria Miller: The Child Poverty Act gained Royal Assent on 25 March this year. Section 9(1) requires Mr Redwood: To ask the Secretary of State for Work Government within 12 months of that date to lay before and Pensions how many people of working age (a) do Parliament the first UK child poverty strategy. Section not have a full-time job and (b) are in receipt of 9(2) stipulates that the strategy set out the measures benefits. [2006] that we propose to take to comply with the duty under section 2 to meet four statutory targets and ensure as Chris Grayling: The number of people of working far as possible that children in the United Kingdom do age in the United Kingdom who did not have a full-time not experience socio-economic disadvantage. We are job in the three months ending March 2010 is estimated setting work in hand to publish a robust strategy within at 17.488 million, including people who are in part-time that timescale. employment, unemployed or economically inactive. Notes: Mr Bain: To ask the Secretary of State for Work and 1. Working age population is defined as men aged 16 to 64 and Pensions whether the Government plan to adhere to women aged 16 to 59. the targets for abolishing child poverty contained in the 2. Estimates refer to the three-month period ending March 2010, Child Poverty Act 2010; and if he will make a and are not seasonally adjusted. statement. [2258] 3. Figure rounded to the nearest thousand. Maria Miller: Page 19 of “The Coalition: our programme Source: for government” makes clear our intention to maintain ONS Labour Force Survey the goal of ending child poverty in the UK by 2020. The The available information on the number of working terms of reference for the inquiry which we have asked age people receiving social security benefits is in the Frank Field MP to lead includes looking at the tables.

Working age benefits client group in Great Britain and abroad: November 2009 Number

All working age benefit claimants 5,857,130 Notes: 1. Figure rounded to the nearest 10. 2. Working age benefits include: Jobseeker’s allowance; incapacity benefit; employment and support allowance; income support; disability living allowance (DLA); attendance allowance (AA); carers allowance (CA); severe disability allowance; and widow’s benefit. 3. AA, CA, and DLA claimants include those with entitlement, but where payment is currently suspended (for example, because of an extended stay in hospitaloran overlapping benefit). 4. Working age is defined as men aged 16 to 64 and women aged 16 to 59. Source: DWP Information Directorate Work and Pensions Longitudinal Study.

Number of working age housing benefit and council tax benefit recipients in Great Britain as at November 2009 Number

Housing benefit 3,036,550 Council tax benefit 3,003,780 Notes: 1. The data refer to benefit units, which may be a single person or a couple. 2. The figures have been rounded to the nearest 10. 3. Working age is defined as claimants in receipt of the following benefits, as recorded on the local authority’s computer system: Income support, jobseeker’s allowance (income-based) or employment and support allowance (income-based). Claimants not receiving one of these benefits are counted as working age if they are aged under 60. 4. There is an overlap in the figures as most people will receive both housing benefit and council tax benefit. 5. Council tax benefit figures exclude any single adult rebate cases. 6. Figures published at http://research.dwp.gov.uk/asd

Social Security Benefits: Disability Transocean Mr Bacon: To ask the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions how much has been spent under the Mr Thomas: To ask the Secretary of State for Work Independent Living Fund in (a) 2009-10 and (b) and Pensions what recent discussions he has had with Transocean on the safety record of its oil rigs. [3165] 2010-11 to date. [2551] Maria Miller [holding answer 15 June 2010]: The Maria Miller: Inspectors from Health and Safety Independent Living Fund had expenditure of £340 Executive’s (HSE’s) Offshore Division hold annual health million for 2009-10 and £58.8 million for the first two and safety reviews with every offshore installation duty months of 2010-11. Figures are for Great Britain. holder. The last annual review for Transocean was on 79W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 80W

23 March 2009, and topics raised by HSE included HOME DEPARTMENT industry performance, HSE priorities, Transocean specific performance, reported incidents, HSE investigation results, Anti-Semitism and Transocean specific intervention plans for the coming year. HSE plans to hold the next Annual Review with Mr Amess: To ask the Secretary of State for the the company in the autumn 2010. Home Department if she will take account of the The most recent meeting with Transocean senior published anti-Semitic views of any individuals seeking management was 17 June 2010, to discuss the response to enter the UK when deciding whether to grant entry to a recent extensive human factors intervention undertaken to such individuals; what representations she has by HSE. received on that matter since her appointment; and if she will make a statement. [2912] The most recent offshore inspection was on the drilling rig Galaxy II from 9-11 June 2010. The inspection Damian Green: We take seriously any form of incitement focussed specifically on blow out preventer (BOP) control to religious or racial hatred as this threatens social systems and well control. cohesion and could provoke inter-community violence or tension. We will seek to prevent propagators of hate Work Capability Assessment crime from entering the country. Mr Tom Clarke: To ask the Secretary of State for John Mann: To ask the Secretary of State for the Work and Pensions when the independent report on Home Department what assessment she has made of the operation of the work capability assessment made the effectiveness of her Department’s seminar on race under the Welfare Reform Act 2007 will be published; hate, anti-Semitism and the internet. [3009] and if he will make a statement. [3467] Chris Grayling: We are in the process of commissioning James Brokenshire: While an assessment of the ministerial an independent review of the operation of the work seminar has not been undertaken, we will analyse previous capability assessment, and expect it to report before the efforts at tackling hate crime on the internet in considering end of the year. future policy in this area. Huw Irranca-Davies: To ask the Secretary of State Drugs: Misuse for Work and Pensions what his policy is on implementation of the recommendations of the Richard Harrington: To ask the Secretary of State for March 2009 review of work capability assessment. the Home Department what recent assessment she has [3800] made for benchmarking purposes of the levels of problem drug use in (a) the UK and (b) other EU Chris Grayling: We are currently considering the member states. [2882] recommendations of the Department-led review of the work capability assessment. James Brokenshire: The information requested is as follows: (a) The Home Office commissioned a three year series (covering the years 2004-05, 2005-06, and 2006-07) of national and regional WOMEN AND EQUALITIES estimates of the prevalence of Problem Drug Use (defined as use of opiates and/or crack cocaine). The most recent of those studies Equality: Local Government (2006-07) found there were an estimated 328,767 problem drug users in England (with a range of 322,128 to 340,196), corresponding Stephen Gilbert: To ask the Minister for Women and to an estimated rate of 9.76 per 1,000 population. Equalities what assessment she has made of the effects Source: on sex encounter establishments of the gender equality ‘National and regional estimates of the prevalence of opiate use duty placed on local authorities. [2827] and/or crack cocaine use 2006-07: a summary of key findings’ Table 1, Research Report 9. This report is available on the Home Lynne Featherstone [holding answer 17 June 2010]: Office RDS website: No such assessment has been made. http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs08/horr09.pdf It is for each local authority to identify how to meet Estimates for 2008-09 are currently being produced its obligations under the Gender Equality Duty and to by the National Treatment Agency, in conjunction with report on the actions the authority has taken towards the Home Office and the Department of Health. the achievement of those objectives. (b) The European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction (EMCDDA) publishes, in its online Statistical Bulletin, Rape: Rights of Accused estimates of the number and rates of Problem Drug Users in European countries. The most recent rates published by EMCDDA Caroline Flint: To ask the Minister for Women and in 2009 range from 2.7 to 9.9 per 1,000 population aged 15 to 64, Equalities what discussions she has had with the the highest rate being that for the UK, although the different Secretary of State for Justice on extending anonymity ways the estimates are calculated in different countries mean they to defendants in rape cases; and when those discussions cannot be directly compared. Further information can be found in the EMCDDA Statistical Bulletin at: took place. [2740] http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/stats09/pdutab1a Lynne Featherstone: I have regular discussions with ministerial colleagues, including the Secretary of State Mr Spencer: To ask the Secretary of State for the for Justice, on a range of issues, and will continue to do Home Department what recent estimate she has made so to develop the policies and priorities included in the of the level of problem drug use in the UK relative to coalition programme for Government. that level in other EU countries. [3109] 81W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 82W

James Brokenshire: The Home Office commissioned Further information can be found in the EMCDDA a three year series (covering the years 2004-05, 2005-06, Statistical Bulletin at: and 2006-07) of national and regional estimates of the http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/stats09/pdutab1a prevalence of Problem Drug Use (defined as use of opiates and/or crack Harlow: Crime Statistics cocaine) in England. The most recent of those studies (2006-07) found there were an estimated 328,767 problem Robert Halfon: To ask the Secretary of State for the drug users in England (with a range of 322,128-340,196), Home Department, what estimate she has made of the corresponding to an estimated rate of 9.76 per thousand number of cases of (a) violent crime and (b) burglary population. in each ward of Harlow constituency since 1997. [3099] Source: James Brokenshire: The available information is for ’National and regional estimates of the prevalence offences recorded by the police and is given in the tables. of opiate use and/or crack cocaine use 2006-07: a Data have been provided for violence against the person summary of key findings’ Table 1, Research Report 9. and burglary in a dwelling offences. This report is available on the Home Office RDS Statistics for the individual wards of Harlow are not website: available centrally and data for Community Safety http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs08/horr09.pdf Partnership (CSP) of Harlow have been provided. Data Estimates for 2008-09 for England are currently being at this level are available from 1999-2000 to 2008-09. produced by the National Treatment Agency, in conjunction The information has been provided in two tables to with the Home Office and the Department of Health. make clear that figures before and after the introduction Each of the other UK administrations (Scotland, of the National Crime Recording Standard in 2002-03 Wales, and Northern Ireland) produce their own are not directly comparable. estimates. Table 1: Offences recorded by the police in the Harlow Community Safety 1 Estimates for problem drug use across the EU are Partnership area 1999-2000 to 2001-02 published by the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs Number of offences, recorded crime and Drug Addiction (EMCDDA), in its online Statistical Offence 1999-2000 2000-01 2001-02 Bulletin. The most recent rates published by EMCDDA Violence against 737 879 1,028 in 2009 range from 2.7 to 9.9 per thousand population the person aged 15-64, the highest rate being that for the UK, Burglary in a 301 248 369 although the different ways the estimates are calculated dwelling 1 The data in this table are prior to the introduction of the National Crime in different countries mean they cannot be directly Recording Standard in April 2002. These figures are not directly comparable compared. with those for later years.

Table 2: Offences recorded by the police in the Harlow Community Safety Partnership area 2002-03 to 2008-091 Number of offences, recorded crime Offence 2002-03 2003-04 2004-05 2005-06 2006-07 2007-08 2008-09

Violence against the person 1,576 2,149 2,246 2,187 1,990 1,949 1,800 Burglary in a dwelling 481 540 300 240 298 327 468 1 The data in this table take account of the introduction of the National Crime Recording Standard in April 2002. These figures are not directly comparable with those for earlier years.

Identity Cards a total of £251 million on projects to establish identity cards, second biometric passports and other related Robert Flello: To ask the Secretary of State for the programmes. Home Department how many people in Stoke-on- Trent have purchased a voluntary identity card. [2657] Roberta Blackman-Woods: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department with reference to her Damian Green: The Identity and Passport Service is contribution to the debate on second reading of the not able to provide information relating to particular Identity Documents Bill of 9 June 2010, Official constituencies or regions for identity card applications. Report, column 348, what assistance her Department is However, as of 11 June 2010 there have been fewer than giving to staff in Durham who have been released early 15,000 identity cards issued in the United Kingdom. as a result of the Government’s policy to end the voluntary identity cards scheme. [2935] Richard Harrington: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department what recent representations she Damian Green [holding answer 17 June 2010]: The has received on the cost of the identity cards scheme. restructuring of IPS resulted in 60 temporary staff [2881] being released three months earlier than expected. The people affected generally commenced their Damian Green: Between 2003 and March 2006, the temporary employment with IPS between January and Home Office spent a total of £41 million developing the March 2010. policy, legislation and business case for the introduction All those affected have received five weeks paid notice; of identity cards. employment references, the offer of time off for job Responsibility for identity cards was transferred to interviews; help/support of line managers, PCS trade the Identity and Passport Service (IPS) on its establishment union representatives and use of the IPS Employee in April 2006. Between then and March 2010, IPS spent Assistance Programme. 83W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 84W

Immigration: Legacy Programme Mr Prisk: The Secretary of State, Department for Business, Innovation and Skills has not had any meetings Mr Clappison: To ask the Secretary of State for the with the Chancellor of the Exchequer or the Secretary Home Department what plans she has in respect of the of State for Transport on this subject, as this is a matter Legacy Programme for the backlog of immigration and for the Department for Transport. However, he is keeping asylum cases introduced by the previous Government; abreast of issues in this and other industrial sectors. how many cases under the programme (a) have been dealt with, (b) have resulted in the grant of leave to Business: Government Assistance remain and (c) remain to be dealt with; and if she will make a statement. [2776] Mr Anderson: To ask the Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills which of his Damian Green [holding answer 17 June 2010]: The Department’s programmes to assist industry are under chief executive of the UK Border Agency, Lin Homer review. [2354] last updated the Home Affairs Select Committee (HASC) regarding the progress made in resolving the legacy Mr Prisk: In common with other Government cases in her letter of February 2010. She informed the Departments, this Department, in conjunction with the committee that the Case Resolution Directorate had Treasury, has undertaken a review of all significant concluded 235,000 cases up to the end of December expenditure approvals since 1 January 2010, which included 2009. She will provide a further progress update on the several Industry Support projects. The full list of these conclusion of these cases in her next correspondence to projects is as follows: the HASC. Outokompu Sheffield Forgemasters Offshore wind grants BUSINESS, INNOVATION AND SKILLS Growth Capital Fund Aviation: Trade Competitiveness ECF University Spin Outs General Motors Mr Laurence Robertson: To ask the Secretary of Ford State for Business, Innovation and Skills what recent Nissan discussions he has had with Ministers in (a) the Post Office Ltd Scottish Executive, (b) the Welsh Assembly Narec Offshore Wind Blade Test Site Government and (c) the Northern Ireland Executive Narec Offshore Wind Turbine Test Sites on the effect of the Government’s fiscal policies on the Offshore Wind Demonstration & Deploymentx competitiveness of businesses in the aviation sector. Support for Mitsubishi and partners to develop an offshore [3562] wind turbine Mr Prisk: My right hon. Friend the Secretary of Green Bus Competition II State has not had any discussions with Ministers in the Carbon Trust SME Loan Scheme Scottish Executive, the Welsh Assembly Government or Bristol & Bath Science Park the Northern Ireland Executive on this subject, as this is London Business Link a matter for the Department for Transport. However, he International Space Innovation Centre. is keeping abreast of issues in this and other industrial The results of these reviews and those of non-Business sectors. Support projects were announced to the House by the Chief Secretary to the Treasury on 17 June. Mr Laurence Robertson: To ask the Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills what Business: Regulation discussions he has had with representatives of the aviation industry on the effect of the Government’s Annette Brooke: To ask the Secretary of State for fiscal policies on (a) their levels of business and (b) Business, Innovation and Skills what plans he has for their competitiveness; and if he will make a statement. the future regulation of business and investment [3564] finance. [2738] Mr Prisk: The Secretary of State, Department for Mr Prisk: In order to avoid a repeat of the financial Business, Innovation and Skills has not had any discussions crisis, we committed in the coalition agreement to reform with representatives of the aviation industry on this the regulatory system. The Chancellor has outlined subject, as this is a matter for the Department for Government proposals to abolish the tripartite regime. Transport. However, he is keeping abreast of issues in The Financial Services Authority will cease to exist in this and other industrial sectors. its current form. Mr Laurence Robertson: To ask the Secretary of We will create a new prudential regulator, which will State for Business, Innovation and Skills what operate as a subsidiary of the Bank of England. It will discussions he has had with the (a) Chancellor of the carry out the prudential regulation of financial firms, Exchequer and (b) Secretary of State for Transport on including banks, investment banks, building societies the effect of the Government’s fiscal policies on the and insurance companies. competitiveness of the aviation industry, with We will also establish a powerful new Consumer particular reference to freight carriers; and if he will Protection and Markets Authority, responsible for ensuring make a statement. [3565] the good conduct of business in the UK’s retail and 85W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 86W wholesale financial services, in order to preserve our Mr Davey: This is an operational matter for the chief reputation for transparency and efficiency as well as our executive of Companies House. I am aware that staff at position as one of the world’s leading global financial Companies House are being kept fully informed on this centres. issue. A single agency will be created to take on the work of I understand the hon. Member for Pontypridd met tackling serious economic crime that is currently dispersed the chief executive to discuss the proposed closure on across a number of Government Departments and agencies. 17 June 2010. Before we set up these new bodies in their permanent form, we will conduct a full and comprehensive consultation Credit Cards: Regulation process and will publish a detailed policy document for public consultation before the summer recess. Annette Brooke: To ask the Secretary of State for During the period of transition to the new regime, Business, Innovation and Skills what guidance his the Government will also be guided by the following Department has issued on each change made to four principles: regulations and controls on the issue of credit cards in minimising uncertainty and transitional costs for firms; the last three years. [2812] maintaining high quality, focused regulation during the transition; balancing swift implementation with proper scrutiny and Mr Davey: I understand that, although BIS has not consultation; and published any new guidance on consumer credit rules providing as much clarity and certainty as possible for FSA, which would impact on credit cards over the last three bank and other staff affected during transition. years, the Office of Fair Trading published updated The process will be handled carefully; we will consult guidance on unfair relationships in May 2008, on post- widely and get it right. contractual information requirements in July 2008 and on irresponsible lending in March this year. The guidance covers provisions introduced by the 2006 Consumer Lisa Nandy: To ask the Secretary of State for Credit Act. BIS is currently consulting on draft guidance Business, Innovation and Skills pursuant to the answer on new provisions implementing the Consumer Credit of 10 June 2010, Official Report, column 232W on Directive which were made in March this year and business: regulations, which regulations he has come into force next February. identified as relevant. [2750]

Mr Prisk: The Department for Business, Innovation Departmental Manpower and Skills has the responsibility to operate the one-in- one-out rule across the regulatory areas for which it is Mr Anderson: To ask the Secretary of State for responsible, including employment law. Business, Innovation and Skills what his estimate is of This is consistent with the Coalition’s Programme for the cost to the public purse of proposed reductions in Government commitment to reviewing employment and numbers of non-frontline staff in his Department and workplace laws, for employers and employees, to ensure its agencies. [482] they maximise flexibility for both parties while protecting fairness and providing the competitive environment Mr Davey: Plans for reductions in numbers of non- required for enterprise to thrive. frontline staff at the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills are not sufficiently developed at this stage to Lisa Nandy: To ask the Secretary of State for enable us to estimate the cost. Business, Innovation and Skills whether he plans to I have approached the Chief Executives of the Insolvency allow the public to challenge primary legislation as part Service, Companies House, the National Measurement of his proposals to allow the public to challenge Office, the Intellectual Property Office and the Skills regulations in force. [2755] Funding Agency and they will respond to the hon. Member directly. Mr Prisk: I refer the hon. Member to the answer I Letter from Gareth Jones, dated 3 June 2010: gave on 10 June Official Report, column 233w. As part I am replying on behalf of Companies House to your Parliamentary of developing innovative and practical ways to facilitate Question tabled 26 May 2010, UIN 482 to the Secretary of State public challenge of the worst regulations, we are also for Business, Innovation and Skills. considering the scope of this work. I will make a Companies House is a Trading Fund and Executive Agency of statement to the House with more detail in due course. the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills. Companies House has not budgeted for any redundancy/severance costs, Companies House: Nantgarw however, as a Trading Fund any costs would be met by fees from our customers and would represent no cost to the public purse. Owen Smith: To ask the Secretary of State for Letter from Peter Mason, dated 1 June 2010: Business, Innovation and Skills (1) if he will discuss I am responding in respect of the National Measurement with (a) the hon. Member for Pontypridd and (b) Office to your Parliamentary Question tabled on 26 May to the Companies House employees based at Nantgarw the Secretary of State, Department for Business, Innovation and Skills, asking about estimates of the annual cost of redundancy proposed closure of Companies House’s Nantgarw payments for staff employed by the Department and its Agencies. office; and if he will make a statement; [2766] The cost to the Agency of any redundancy or other exit (2) whether he has discussed with the Chief payments this year will be disclosed in its Annual Report and Executive of Companies House the proposed closure Accounts of 2010/11. As matters stand, however, we do not of Companies House’s Nantgarw office. [2767] envisage having to make such payments during the current year. 87W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 88W

Letter from John Alty, dated 2 June 2010: Departmental Ministerial Policy Advisers I am responding in respect of the Intellectual Property Office to your Parliamentary Question tabled 26 May 2010, to the Minister of State, Department for Business, Innovation and Mr Lammy: To ask the Secretary of State for Skills. Business, Innovation and Skills for what reasons the Minister of State for Universities has appointed a The Intellectual Property Office (IPO) is a Trading Fund and Executive Agency of the Department for Business, Innovation special adviser. [2948] and Skills (BIS). The IPO has not budgeted for any redundancy/ severance costs however as a Trading Fund any costs would be Mr Willetts: To add a political dimension to the met by fees from users and would represent no cost to the public advice I receive. purse. Letter from Stephen Speed, dated 3 June 2010: EU Grants and Loans The Minister of State, Department for Business, Innovation and Skills has asked me to reply to your question what his estimate is of the cost to the public purse of proposed reductions Andrew George: To ask the Secretary of State for in numbers of non-frontline staff in his Department and its Business, Innovation and Skills which public bodies agencies. will provide the secretariat for EU Convergence The Insolvency Service Executive Agency of the Department Regional Programmes when regional development for Business, Innovation and Skills set out its plan for 2010/11 in agencies are wound up. [3524] its Corporate Plan. This included a planned reduction in non-frontline staff working in corporate services functions during 2010-11 of 12.6 (FTE). With the recent announcements of plans to cut £6¼ Mr Prisk: The Government indicated in the coalition billion of wasteful spending across the public sector The Insolvency agreement that RDAs would be replaced by local enterprise Service is reviewing its Corporate plan for 2010-11 which may partnerships comprising business and local authorities. lead to further changes in planned numbers of non-frontline staff. Discussions are still under way on the future delivery of A large proportion (73%) of the Insolvency Service’s functions the EU programmes in the English regions. are funded by fee income and the impact of any reductions will therefore only apply to the 27% funded from the public purse. EU Grants and Loans: South West Letter from Geoff Russell, dated 21 June 2010: I am replying on behalf of the Skills Funding Agency to your Parliamentary Question tabled on 26 May (UIN 482), to the Andrew George: To ask the Secretary of State for Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills, concerning Business, Innovation and Skills what assessment he has the cost of proposed reductions in non-frontline staff in the made of the likely effects on the delivery of the Department and its agencies. Cornwall and Isles of Scilly Convergence Programme The Skills Funding Agency was set up as an agency of the of the ending of regional development agencies. [3525] Department for Business, Innovation and Skills on 1 April 2010. As a new agency, we are currently looking at the implications of the recent announcements and the impact on the future shape of Mr Prisk: The Government have indicated that the the organisation. delivery of economic development in all the regions of The cost to the agency of any reduction in numbers of non-frontline England will change as it considers a more appropriate staff this financial year will be disclosed in the accounts for delivery of economic development is by partnerships 2010/11. between local authorities and business. The Government will work with the programme partners Stewart Hosie: To ask the Secretary of State for to ensure that changes to management arrangements Business, Innovation and Skills how many (a) special have no detrimental effect on the benefits that the advisers and (b) press officers are employed by his Convergence programme will bring to the economy of Department at each Civil Service pay grade. [1263] Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly.

Mr Davey: I refer the hon. Member to the list of Andrew George: To ask the Secretary of State for special adviser appointments published by my right Business, Innovation and Skills what factors he took hon. Friend the Prime Minister on 10 June 2010, Official into account in deciding to (a) end the South West Report, columns 32-34W. Regional Development Agency and (b) change the BIS currently has 30 Press Officers employed as civil secretariat for the Cornwall and Isles of Scilly EU servants at these pay grades: Convergence Programme. [3528]

Number Mr Prisk: The information is as follows: Senior Civil Service (SCS) 1 (a) In “The Coalition: our programme for government” Grade 6 1 we made clear that we intended to replace regional Grade 7 3 development agencies, including South West RDA, with Senior Executive Officers (SEO)/ 9 local enterprise partnerships. This is because it is not Senior Information Officer (SIO) clear that the current RDAs represent the best structure Higher Executive Officers (HEO)/ 14 to promote economic development. In particular, some Information Officers (IO) regions do not generally reflect economic areas, while Agency staff 2 RDAs are not locally accountable and have too wide a This excludes one Press Officer working in BIS but range of responsibilities. employed by the Intellectual Property Office (IPO). In (b) No decision has yet been made to change the addition there are three Grade 7 chief press officers on secretariat for the Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly maternity leave. Convergence programme. 89W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 90W

Export Control Organisation secure. Applicants are notified of receipt of their application immediately after submission through an automatic Jonathan Edwards: To ask the Secretary of State for acknowledgement sent to them over SPIRE. Business, Innovation and Skills what mechanisms are The Government publish licence processing target in place to ensure that UK companies do not sell arms times which, for standard individual export licences, is to countries where human rights abuses have been to process 70% of these within 20 working days. Applicants identified by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office; are advised that this target applies as soon as full and if he will make a statement. [3048] documentation has been provided in support of an application and that it does not include time taken to go Mr Prisk: An export licence is required to export back to them for further information. Furthermore, the arms and other military equipment from the United Government’s performance against these targets for Kingdom. All export licence applications are rigorously each destination country is published in the annual and assessed on a case-by-case basis against the Consolidated quarterly reports on strategic export controls. EU and National Arms Export Licensing Criteria taking account of all prevailing circumstances at the time of Exports: Saudi Arabia the application. A licence will not be issued where to do so would be inconsistent with the Criteria or other relevant announced commitments. In particular Criterion Daniel Kawczynski: To ask the Secretary of State for Two concerns the ‘respect of human rights and fundamental Business, Innovation and Skills what steps he is taking freedoms in the country of final destination’, and states to support British businesses which export goods to that the Government will not issue an export licence if Saudi Arabia. [3463] there is a clear risk that the proposed export might be used for internal repression. Mr Prisk: UK Trade & Investment (UKTI) supports companies exporting to Saudi Arabia through trade More information about the Criteria, including a link and investment teams based in Saudi Arabia and the to the full text, is available on the export control pages UK. In addition to a 25-strong team based in Riyadh, on the Business Link website at: Jeddah and Al Khobar, UKTI also employs a business http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/exportcontrol specialist in the UK focused on identifying supply chain under ‘Assessment of Export Licence Applications— opportunities in Saudi Arabia arising from the Saudi Criteria and Policy.’ Government’s Fiscal Stimulus packages. UKTI provides a broad range of support for British Priti Patel: To ask the Secretary of State for companies wishing to do business in Saudi Arabia—from Business, Innovation and Skills whether his conferences and trade missions to support for trade Department has estimated the effects on (a) UK fairs and exhibitions. In December 2009, the then Minister businesses and (b) the volume of UK exports arising for Trade, Lord Davies, led a high-level mission of over from the Export Control Organisation not processing 40 UK companies to Jeddah and Riyadh. In February all standard individual export licences within its this year, UKTI organised “Partner Middle East”, a 20 working days’ target. [3101] three-day road show that exposed over 450 companies in London, the West Midlands and Manchester to Mr Prisk: The Government’s published target is to business opportunities in Saudi Arabia (and elsewhere process 70% of standard individual export licences in in the Middle East). UKTI is rolling out a programme 20 days. In 2009, this target was exceeded with an of follow-up activities over the course of 2010-11. outturn of 73%. Some export licences take longer to process because they involve the export of sensitive UKTI funds and provides secretariat support for the goods to sensitive destinations, which may require Saudi-British Joint Business Council. The council meets particularly close scrutiny or consultation with other twice a year to identify new business opportunities and Governments. No estimate has been made of the also focuses on ways to tackle barriers to trade and to implications for business of the fact that some export improve the environment for business. The Business licences cannot be processed within 20 days. Council has had a particular focus on the energy sector, as well as health care, education and skills and construction/transport, bringing together companies from Priti Patel: To ask the Secretary of State for both the UK and Saudi Arabia to explore the opportunities Business, Innovation and Skills if he will take steps to for new business partnerships in these key areas. To ensure that applicants for a standard individual export build new business in the financial services sector, UKTI, licence receive (a) prompt notification of the receipt of working closely with the Business Council and private their application and (b) an estimated deadline for sector partners, has overseen the creation of a UK-Saudi deciding on the application; what mechanism is used to Arabia Financial Services Task Force, which is focused ensure applications are processed safely and efficiently; on a number of areas including public-private partnerships, and if he will make a statement. [3102] investment banking law and regulation. Mr Prisk: All applications for standard export licences are submitted via the Government’s fully electronic web Google: Data Protection based processing system, known as SPIRE. SPIRE replaced the previous system of paper licences and Pete Wishart: To ask the Secretary of State for provides a complete end-to-end e-business service. The Business, Innovation and Skills whether the system connects all parties involved in export licensing Government plans to investigate Google’s data- and is hosted on the Government Secure Intranet (GSI) gathering practices in relation to the recording of ensuring that all communications over the system are information from Wi-Fi networks. [2629] 91W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 92W

Mr Vaizey: Under the Data Protection Act (DPA) Entrants1 from Hartlepool constituency2 UK higher education 1998, the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) institutions3: Academic years 1995-96 to 2008-09 rather than Government, has responsibility for investigating Academic year Entrants potential data protection breaches of this nature. The 2006-07 1,185 ICO has secured a commitment from Google to destroy 2007-08 980 the erroneously collected data and are currently examining 2008-09 1,390 what other action would be appropriate. 1 Covers all-aged undergraduate and postgraduate entrants to full-time Higher Education and Student Finance Independent and part-time courses. 2 Review The table does not include entrants where the constituency of the student cannot be established due to missing or invalid postcode information. Mr Lammy: To ask the Secretary of State for 3 Excludes the Open University due to inconsistencies in their coding Business, Innovation and Skills when he expects the of entrants across the time series. Note: Browne Review of higher education funding and Figures are on a HESA snapshot basis as at 1 December and are student finance to report its findings. [2955] rounded to the nearest five. Source: Mr Willetts: The terms of reference for the Independent Higher Education Statistics Agency (HESA) Review of Higher Education Funding and Student Finance state that it will report by the autumn. Iron and Steel

Mr Evennett: To ask the Secretary of State for Ian Swales: To ask the Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills when he expects the Business, Innovation and Skills what steps he plans to report on Lord Browne’s review of higher education take to support the steel manufacturing sector. [3161] finance to be published. [3311] Mr Prisk: The Department will work closely with the Mr Willetts: The terms of reference for the Independent steel industry to minimise unnecessary burdens by involving Review of Higher Education Funding and Student the sector in discussions on regulatory, policy and other Finance state that it will report by the autumn. issues that impact on them such as the EU Emissions Trading Scheme, energy costs and supply, climate change Higher Education: Hartlepool and environmental protection. Our aim is to avoid unintended consequences and harness the sector’s many Mr Iain Wright: To ask the Secretary of State for creative ideas for lighter touch approaches. Business, Innovation and Skills how many people in The steel industry has opportunities to participate in Hartlepool constituency commenced a higher collaborative R&D projects funded by the Technology education course in each year since 1990. [3449] Strategy Board and the EU Research Fund for Coal and Steel. Financial support for the steel industry needs Mr Willetts: The numbers of entrants from Hartlepool to meet the requirements in the EC State Aid rules constituency to UK higher education institutions are which permit support for research and development, shown in the table. Figures are taken from the Higher environmental protection and training within specified Education Statistics Agency (HESA) student record limits. and are provided for the academic years 1995-96 to 2008-09. In respect of the mothballed Teesside Cast Products site in my hon. Friend’s constituency, we hope a new HESA have published UK higher education statistics partner can be found for this plant, however decisions since the 1994-95 academic year. In 1994-95 student on any offer to purchase the Teesside plant are a commercial postcode information, on which constituency data are matter for Corus. based, was not collected, so information at constituency level is only available from 1995-96. Postcode information has been collected in each year thereafter and, therefore, National Union of Students entrant numbers can be provided at constituency level. Comparable data for earlier years are not available. Mr Lammy: To ask the Secretary of State for Figures for the 2009-10 academic year will be available Business, Innovation and Skills how many times (a) he from HESA in January 2011. and (b) other Ministers and officials in his Department have (i) met, (ii) spoken on the telephone 1 2 Entrants from Hartlepool constituency UK higher education and (iii) corresponded with representatives of the institutions3: Academic years 1995-96 to 2008-09 National Union of Students since their appointment. Academic year Entrants [2951] 1995-96 690 1996-97 605 Mr Willetts: My right hon. Friend the Secretary of 1997-98 675 State met Aaron Porter on 1 June, when they were both 1998-99 760 visiting the Student Loans Company in Glasgow. 1999-2000 755 I spoke with the former NUS President Wes Streeting 2000-01 905 last on 24 May, and I met with the new NUS President 2001-02 950 Aaron Porter on 21 June, for what I hope will be the 2002-03 1,120 first of many such meetings. 2003-04 1,100 In addition, there are a number of regular contacts 2004-05 1,100 between BIS officials and the NUS as part of normal 2005-06 1,120 business. 93W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 94W

Nissan: Finance by the regional economic strategy and their corporate plans. The Department does not hold details of individual Andrew Gwynne: To ask the Secretary of State for projects supported by the RDAs within their delegated Business, Innovation and Skills pursuant to the oral financial authorities. answer from the Prime Minister of 9 June 2010, No final decisions have been made on how projects Official Report, columns 327-28, how much his currently delivered by NWDA will be affected by the Department has spent in reviewing its proposed loan to £270 million savings we are seeking from RDA’s budgets. Nissan. [3215] We will be writing to RDAs about the allocation shortly. We will then work with the RDA network to minimise Mr Prisk: The grant for business investment to Nissan the impact on priority programmes. Stakeholders and was one of many projects reviewed, and therefore it is delivery partners involved in affected programmes and not possible to identify the costs which relate solely to projects will be kept fully informed as specific decisions the Nissan case. are made. Northwest Regional Development Agency Oil

Helen Jones: To ask the Secretary of State for Lisa Nandy: To ask the Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills how many people are Business, Innovation and Skills what meetings he has employed in the Warrington office of the North West had with representatives of (a) Shell, (b) BP and (c) Regional Development Agency. [3282] other oil companies since taking up his post. [2756] Mr Prisk: The total number of staff employed at the Vince Cable: None. Warrington office of the Northwest Regional Development Agency is 409. One North East: Teesside

Mrs Ellman: To ask the Secretary of State for Ian Swales: To ask the Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills what assessment he has Business, Innovation and Skills (1) which projects in made of the effectiveness of the North West the Teesside area were allocated funding from One Development Agency in relation to job creation and North East in 2010-11; [3162] retention and economic development in (a) the North (2) to which projects in the Teesside local authority West region and (b) Liverpool. [3497] area One North East is considering allocating funding in 2010-11. [3163] Mr Prisk: An Independent Performance Assessment conducted by the National Audit Office in 2006-07 Mr Prisk: No final decisions have been made on how assessed the North West Development Agency as projects currently delivered by One North East will be performing strongly. The NAO, on behalf of my affected by the £270 million savings we are seeking from Department, is currently undertaking an Independent RDAs’ budgets. We will be writing to RDAs about the Supplementary Review of regional development agencies allocation shortly. We will then work with the RDA and is due to report shortly. network to minimise the impact on priority programmes. Northwest Regional Development Agency: Greater Stakeholders and delivery partners involved in affected Manchester programmes and projects will be kept fully informed as specific decisions are made. Andrew Gwynne: To ask the Secretary of State for Overseas Students Business, Innovation and Skills to which projects in (a) Stockport Metropolitan Borough area and (b) Zac Goldsmith: To ask the Secretary of State for Tameside Metropolitan Borough area the North West Business, Innovation and Skills how many places on Regional Development Agency is considering university courses are held by overseas students. [2347] allocating funding in the financial year 2010-11. [3176] Mr Willetts: In 2008/09, there were 2,396,055 Mr Prisk: The Northwest Regional Development postgraduate and undergraduate students enrolled on Agency (NWDA) is not currently considering any new full-time and part-time courses at UK higher education projects for investment in the Stockport and Tameside institutions, including the Open University. Of these metropolitan borough areas where spending would occur students 117,660 (5%) were other European Union in the current (2010/11) financial year. (EU) domiciled and 251,310 (10%) were non-EU overseas Northwest Regional Development Agency: Liverpool domiciled. This is the latest available information from the Higher Mrs Ellman: To ask the Secretary of State for Education Statistics Agency (HESA). Figures for the Business, Innovation and Skills to which projects in the 2009/10 academic year will be published by HESA in Liverpool City region the North West Development January 2011. Agency has allocated funding in each of the last five years; and what such allocations are planned for Oxford and Cambridge Universities 2010-11. [3498] Mr Lammy: To ask the Secretary of State for Mr Prisk: The Department allocates budgets to regional Business, Innovation and Skills how many times the development agencies. The agencies determine which Minister of State for Universities has (a) met, (b) projects to support, subject to the terms of the spoken on the telephone and (c) corresponded with accountability and financial framework and their delegated the Vice-Chancellor of the University of (i) Oxford and financial authorities. RDAs’ investments have been guided (ii) Cambridge. [2949] 95W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 96W

Mr Willetts: I have received correspondence from the Stephen Gilbert: To ask the Secretary of State for Vice-Chancellor of Oxford University and the Vice- Education how many children have received assistance Chancellor of Cambridge University, but have not yet under the Aiming High for Children scheme. [3113] met or spoken on the telephone to either Vice-Chancellor since my appointment. Sarah Teather: The Aiming High for Disabled Children programme has provided funding to improve services Regional Development Agencies for disabled children and their families in all local authorities in England. Since funding is provided to Andrew Griffiths: To ask the Secretary of State for local areas, we do not keep central records of the Business, Innovation and Skills what activity (a) each number of children that have received assistance from regional development agency and (b) the National the programme. Secretariat for Regional Development Agencies For the short breaks/respite care element of the undertook prior to the general election to (i) lobby and programme, we can estimate from the data we use to (ii) communicate with Parliamentary candidates who support local authorities’ delivery of the programme were not previously hon. Members. [2430] that in the 21 pathfinder authorities more than 18,000 children have received a short break since 2007-08. Mr Prisk [holding answer 15 June 2010]: In the Data on non-pathfinders will be available in the summer. 12 months up to the May 2010 general election purdah period, Regional Development Agencies responded to Stephen Gilbert: To ask the Secretary of State for prospective parliamentary candidates’ requests for Education what assessment has been made of the information and meetings on RDA activity and role outcomes of the Aiming High for Children scheme. within the region where they were made. [3114] As my hon. Friend for Burton will be aware, Advantage West Midlands did approach a number of prospective Sarah Teather: There are a number of formal evaluations Parliamentary candidates before the 2010 General Election to assess the outcomes of the various strands of the to ascertain their view of regional economic development, Aiming High for Disabled Children Programme: evaluation functions carried out by regional development agencies of the short breaks element will be published in May 2011; and their thoughts on the future implementation of the evaluation of the Individual Budget Pilots will be economic development and regeneration. This was an published in June 2011; and the Disabled Children’s information gathering exercise designed to help AWM access to Childcare (DCATCH) is expected to be published gauge local opinion as part of AWM’snormal stakeholder in the summer of 2011. relations process. At no time were these meetings used, In addition, parents of disabled children have been or intended to be used, for lobbying on behalf of surveyed about their satisfaction with services for their AWM. children as part of a National Indicator. Departmental Public Expenditure Brandon Lewis: To ask the Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills what timetable he has Grahame M. Morris: To ask the Secretary of State set for the conclusion of the review of the future of for Education when he plans to set out the schemes and regional development agencies. [3333] programmes of his Department for which funding will be reduced or withdrawn. [877] Mr Prisk: We will be providing further details about the replacement of regional development agencies with Michael Gove: I set out the breakdown of my local enterprise partnerships shortly. Department’s planned savings for 2010-11 in a letter to the right hon. Member for Morley and Outwood (Ed Balls) on 7 June 2010. A copy of the letter has been EDUCATION placed in the Libraries. Children: Social Services Ed Balls: To ask the Secretary of State for Education from which of his Department’s budgets he plans to Stephen Gilbert: To ask the Secretary of State for make savings in 2010-11 totalling £670 million. [1204] Education which local authorities have received funding under the Aiming High for Children scheme; Michael Gove [holding answer 7 June 2010]: I refer and what plans he has for that scheme after March the right hon. Member to my letter of 7 June 2010, 2011. [3112] copies of which have been placed in the Libraries.

Sarah Teather: All local authorities in England received funding from The Aiming High for Disabled Children TREASURY programme. Future plans for Government’s funding for Child Tax Credit support of disabled children and their families will be finalised as part of the spending review which will Ann Coffey: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer report in the autumn. what research his Department has (a) commissioned This Government announced in May, as part of and (b) evaluated on the effect on net individual £6.2 billion savings from central Government, a incomes of qualifying families in (i) each region of commitment to invest in respite breaks for carers of England, (ii) Scotland, (iii) Wales and (iv) Northern severely disabled children from 2011-12, using recycled Ireland of a reduction in the present qualifying funding from the Government’s contributions to the threshold for the family element of child tax credit of Children’s Trust Fund. (A) £10,000, (B) £20,000 and (C) £30,000. [1903] 97W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 98W

Justine Greening: No such research has been Mr Hoban [holding answer 17 June 2010]: The commissioned or evaluated separately. Government have announced that they will establish an This was the arrangement under previous administrations independent commission to determine the design of the and has not changed. scheme. Further details on the commission will be announced Credit Unions in due course. Northwest Regional Development Agency Mr Thomas: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer what his policy is on encouraging growth in the (a) Lisa Nandy: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer number of and (b) number of members of credit pursuant to the written ministerial statement of unions. [2921] 26 May 2010, Official Report, columns 2-3WS, on savings (2010-11), whether property owned by the Mr Hoban [holding answer 17 June 2010]: As set out North West Regional Development Agency will be in the coalition document, the Government will bring included in the proposed £170 million reduction in forward detailed proposals to foster diversity, promote costs of Government property. [1736] mutuals and create a more competitive banking industry. Mr Prisk: I have been asked to reply. Henry Smith: To ask the Chancellor of the The £170 million funding is an estimate of the amount Exchequer what his policy is on (a) de-regulation and which property sales will contribute to the Government’s (b) expansion of credit union services; and if he will £6 billion savings target. The eight regional development make a statement. [3228] agencies outside London will be making a contribution to Government’s overall savings target of £270 million. Mr Hoban: As set out in the coalition agreement, the No final decisions have been made on which of the Government will bring forward detailed proposals to RDAs projects will be affected. foster diversity, promote mutuals and create a more competitive banking industry. Public Expenditure

Departmental Reviews Jonathan Edwards: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether there will be a Barnett Andrew Miller: To ask the Chancellor of the consequential as a result of reductions in expenditure Exchequer pursuant to the answer of 8 June 2010, in the National Affordable Housing Programme in Official Report, column 137W, on Government addition to the consequential that was announced on departments: reviews, what reviews his Department is 24 May 2010. [3055] undertaking; and what the (a) purpose and (b) timescale of each is. [2576] Danny Alexander: Reductions in expenditure in the National Affordable Housing Programme were announced Justine Greening: The Coalition Agreement sets out as part of the £6.2 billion cuts announced on 24 May. in detail the Government’s future plans, including the The Barnett consequentials for the Welsh Assembly key reviews it will be undertaking. The Department will Government of the £6.2 billion cuts, including these, bring forward detailed information about these reviews were announced on 24 May. in due course. Public Sector: Redundancy Pay

Equitable Life Assurance Society: Chester John Mann: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer what powers he has to limit the level of high-value Stephen Mosley: To ask the Chancellor of the severance packages paid to public sector employees. Exchequer how many Equitable Life policyholders are [652] resident in city of Chester constituency. [3083] Danny Alexander: Severance packages are generally Mr Hoban: The Treasury does not hold the details of agreed by the relevant public sector employer, within the number of Equitable Life policyholders resident in parameters that have been set out for that employer city of Chester constituency. with the responsible Minister’s agreement and which There has been no analysis to date of the distribution have previously been approved by the Treasury. However, across the UK of those who have suffered loss. Departments are required to seek prior Treasury approval before they can make or approve any novel or contentious payment that falls outside such parameters, including Equitable Life Assurance Society: Compensation any with a value in excess of the maximum that is contractually due. Details on the requirements for such Mr Thomas: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer specific Treasury approval are set out in ‘Managing pursuant to the written ministerial statement of Public Money’ Annex 4.13. 26 May 2010, Official Report, columns 1-2WS, on Equitable Life, what the functions of the independent Taxation: Overseas Companies commission to determine the designs of the payment scheme will be; for how long he expects the commission Lisa Nandy: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer to operate; how many members of the commission (1) what plans he has to ensure that multi-national there will be; how they will be recruited; and at what companies registered in the UK report on their annual level they will be remunerated. [2922] taxation paid in each country; [2837] 99W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 100W

(2) if he will bring forward proposals for the Annual statistics on business births, deaths and survival are introduction of country-by-country taxation reporting available from the ONS release on Business Demography at: by companies registered in the UK; [2895] www.statistics.gov.uk (3) what his policy is on the reporting of taxation Information on the number of enterprise deaths by parliamentary paid in overseas countries by companies registered in constituency is only available from 2005 onwards. The table below the UK. [2894] contains the latest statistics available on small (less than 50 employment) enterprise deaths in Dewsbury Parliamentary Mr Gauke: The OECD’s Task Force on Tax and Constituency from 2005 to 2008 and Kirklees local authority area Development is currently conducting a detailed examination from 2002 to 2008. of the issue of country-by-country reporting. The The count of enterprise deaths with less than 50 employment from 2002-08 Government look forward to seeing the outcome of this Dewsbury Kirklees work. 2002 1— 1,005 Working Tax Credit: Carers 2003 1— 1,235 2004 1— 1,365 Helen Jones: To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer 2005 250 1,415 what plans he has to amend the system of working tax 2006 230 1,325 credits for carers. [3475] 2007 275 1,410 2008 260 1,325 Justine Greening: There are no current plans to amend 1 Not Available. the system of working tax credit for carers but the Government keeps all aspects of the tax credits system Communities First Fund under review as part of the Budget. Mr Blunkett: To ask the Minister for the Cabinet Office how much funding will be available from the CABINET OFFICE Communities First Fund; when it will be made available; and if he will make a statement. [2691] Business: Closures Mr Hurd: The ‘Communities First’ fund is currently Simon Reevell: To ask the Minister for the Cabinet being developed by the Cabinet Office, and the total Office how many retail shops have closed in Dewsbury amount of funding available as well as other details will constituency in each of the last five years; and if he will be developed as part of the Spending Review. make a statement. [2481] Mr Hurd: The information requested falls within the Electoral Register responsibility of the UK Statistics Authority. I have asked the authority to reply. Lisa Nandy: To ask the Minister for the Cabinet Letter from Stephen Penneck: Office what estimate he has made of the size of the As Director General for the Office for National Statistics, I population (a) entitled and (b) registered to vote in have been asked to reply to your recent Parliamentary Question each parliamentary constituency at the May 2010 asking how many retail shops have closed in Dewsbury constituency general election. [2892] in each of the last five years. [2481] Annual statistics on business births, deaths and survival are Mr Hurd: The information requested falls within the available from the ONS release on Business Demography at: responsibility of the UK Statistics Authority. I have www.statistics.gov.uk asked the authority to reply. Information on the number of enterprise deaths by parliamentary constituency is only available from 2005 onwards. The table below Letter from Stephen Penneck: contains the latest statistics available. As Director General for the Office for National Statistics, I have been asked to reply to your question asking what estimate Count of retail enterprise deaths in Dewsbury from 2005-08 has been made of the size of the population (a) entitled and (b) 2005 2006 2007 2008 registered to vote in each parliamentary constituency at the May Dewsbury 40 35 45 35 2010 general election (2892). ONS publishes the number of people registered to vote in Simon Reevell: To ask the Minister for the Cabinet parliamentary elections but does not hold data on the population entitled or eligible to vote. The ONS population estimates are of Office what estimate has been made of the number of the resident population and will include some people who are not small businesses which have closed in (a) Dewsbury eligible to vote. constituency and (b) Kirklees local authority area in The table shows the number of people registered to vote in each year since 1997; and if he will make a statement. parliamentary elections for each parliamentary constituency in [2482] the UK, as at 1st December 2009. These are the latest figures available. A copy of the table has been placed in the House of Mr Hurd: The information requested falls within the Commons Library. responsibility of the UK Statistics Authority. I have asked the Authority to reply. Government Departments: Internet Letter from Stephen Penneck, dated June 2010: As Director General for the Office for National Statistics, I have been asked to reply to your recent Parliamentary Question Mr Watson: To ask the Minister for the Cabinet asking what estimate has been made of the number of small Office what steps he is taking to reduce the cost to the businesses which have closed in (a) Dewsbury constituency and public purse of maintaining Government websites; and (b) Kirklees local authority area in each year since 1997. [2482] if he will make a statement. [2288] 101W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 102W

Mr Hurd [holding answer 15 June 2010]: The Central non-departmental public body and (c) agency with Office of Information is collating information on the salaries greater than £150,000 declined to have details costs, quality and usage of Department-run websites of their salaries published by his Department. [2387] and my right hon. Friend intends to publish these finding before the summer recess. Once this information Mr Maude: On 1 June we published details of 172 has been published he will set out how he intends to public servants working in central Government reduce the overall cost to the taxpayer. Departments or agencies paid at a full-time annual rate of £150,000 or more. As has been set out on the Cabinet Ministerial Policy Advisers: Conduct Office website, 10 individuals withheld their consent to disclosure, citing the Data Protection Act. Of these, Mr Watson: To ask the Minister for the Cabinet nine work in central Government Departments and one Office what changes have been made to the Code of in an agency. We have not provided a breakdown by Conduct for special advisers since 7 May 2010; and if Department at this stage, as to do so might risk the he will make a statement. [3534] identification of the individuals involved. The details published on 1 June did not include individuals paid by Mr Maude: The Prime Minister published the revised non-departmental public bodies. We intend to extend Model Contract and Code of Conduct for Special coverage to those in due course. Advisers on 10 June, and placed copies in the Libraries of the House. The key changes to the revised Code are: Unemployment a new requirement for Departments to publish quarterly information about gifts and hospitality received by Jessica Morden: To ask the Minister for the Cabinet special advisers; a requirement for applications from all Office how many and what proportion of the working special advisers wishing to take up jobs within two age population in (a) Wales and (b) the United years of leaving the civil service to be considered by the Kingdom were unemployed in each year since 1980. independent Advisory Committee on Business [3612] Appointments regardless of seniority; no severance to be paid to special advisers who resign from the civil Mr Hurd: The information requested falls within the service on being announced as a candidate or prospective responsibility of the UK Statistics Authority. I have candidate for election to Parliament; and additional asked the Authority to reply. text about the restrictions on special advisers which Letter from Stephen Penneck, dated June 2010: reflects the provisions of section 8(5) of the Constitutional As Director General for the Office for National Statistics, I Reform and Governance Act 2010. have been asked to reply to your Parliamentary Question asking Ministerial Policy Advisers: Pay how many and what proportion of the working age population in (a) Wales and (b) the United Kingdom were unemployed in each year since 1980. (3612) Mr Watson: To ask the Minister for the Cabinet The Office for National Statistics (ONS) compiles unemployment Office what the lowest salary is of a special adviser. statistics from the Labour Force Survey (LFS) following International [3190] Labour Organisation (ILO) definitions. Table 1 shows the number and proportion of the working age Mr Maude: I refer the hon. Member to the Prime population who are unemployed and resident in the UK and Minister’s written statement of 10 June 2010, Official Wales. This definition differs from the normal preferred measures Report, column 32WS. of unemployment, which are based on the number of unemployed aged 16+ and the proportion of economically active people who Senior Civil Servants: Pay are unemployed. The preferred unemployment measures have been provided in Table 2 for comparison. Mr Watson: To ask the Minister for the Cabinet Estimates on the number of people unemployed in Wales are Office how many officials in each (a) Department, (b) not available for periods prior to March-May 1992.

Table 1: Number and proportion of people of working age who are unemployed and resident in the United Kingdom and Wales Seasonally adjusted United Kingdom Wales Thousand %1 Thousand %1

February to April 1980 1,579 4.8 — — February to April 1981 2,453 7.4 — — February to April 1982 2,789 8.3 — — February to April 1983 2,985 8.9 — — February to April 1984 3,208 9.5 — — February to April 1985 3,122 9.1 — — February to April 1986 3,107 9.1 — — February to April 1987 3,050 8.9 — — February to April 1988 2,531 7.3 — — February to April 1989 2,090 6.0 — — February to April 1990 1,968 5.7 — — February to April 1991 2,340 6.7 — — March to May 19922 2,763 7.9 118 6.9 February to April 1993 2,955 8.5 131 7.7 February to April 1994 2,740 7.8 122 7.2 103W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 104W

Table 1: Number and proportion of people of working age who are unemployed and resident in the United Kingdom and Wales Seasonally adjusted United Kingdom Wales Thousand %1 Thousand %1

February to April 1995 2,469 7.0 115 6.8 February to April 1996 2,328 6.6 114 6.7 February to April 1997 2,027 5.7 109 6.4 February to April 1998 1,777 5.0 97 5.7 February to April 1999 1,755 4.9 93 5.4 February to April 2000 1,638 4.6 85 4.9 February to April 2001 1,442 4.0 77 4.5 February to April 2002 1,504 4.1 75 4.3 February to April 2003 1,498 4.1 65 3.7 February to April 2004 1,420 3.9 67 3.8 February to April 2005 1,398 3.8 61 3.4 February to April 2006 1,600 4.3 68 3.8 February to April 2007 1,661 4.4 80 4.5 February to April 2008 1,631 4.3 75 4.2 February to April 2009 2,248 5.9 108 6.0 February to April 20103 *2,437 6.4 **123 6.9 —=Datanotavailable. 1 Percentage of working age population. 2 March to May has been used for 1992 because these are the earliest data available for Wales. 3 Coefficients of Variation have been calculated for the latest period as an indication of the quality of the estimates. See Guide to Quality below. Guide to Quality: The Coefficient of Variation (CV) indicates the quality of an estimate, the smaller the CV value the higher the quality. The true value is likely to lie within +/- twice the CV—for example, for an estimate of 200 with a CV of 5 per cent. we would expect the population total to be within the range 180-220 Key Coefficient of Variation (CV) (%) Statistical Robustness * 0 = CV<5 Estimates are considered precise ** 5 = CV <10 Estimates are considered reasonably precise *** 10 = CV <20 Estimates are considered acceptable **** CV <20 Estimates are considered too unreliable for practical purposes Source: Labour Force Survey. Table 2: Number of people unemployed and unemployment rate for people aged 16+ resident in the United Kingdom and Wales Seasonally adjusted United Kingdom Wales Thousand %1 Thousand %1

February to April 1980 1,603 6.0 — — February to April 1981 2,476 9.1 — — February to April 1982 2,813 10.5 — — February to April 1983 3,008 11.3 — — February to April 1984 3,263 11.9 — — February to April 1985 3,169 11.4 — — February to April 1986 3,151 11.3 — — February to April 1987 3,090 11.0 — — February to April 1988 2,569 9.0 — — February to April 1989 2,140 7.4 — — February to April 1990 2,004 6.9 — — February to April 1991 2,378 8.2 — — March to May 19922 2,795 9.8 119 9.1 February to April 1993 2,986 10.6 132 10.4 February to April 1994 2,768 9.8 123 9.6 February to April 1995 2,489 8.8 116 9.0 February to April 1996 2,350 8.3 114 8.8 February to April 1997 2,052 7.2 109 8.3 February to April 1998 1,799 6.3 98 7.6 February to April 1999 1,773 6.2 94 7.2 February to April 2000 1,654 5.7 85 6.5 February to April 2001 1,459 5.0 78 6.0 February to April 2002 1,522 5.2 76 5.8 February to April 2003 1,517 5.1 65 4.7 February to April 2004 1,437 4.8 68 4.9 February to April 2005 1,417 4.7 61 4.4 February to April 2006 1,627 5.3 69 4.9 February to April 2007 1,687 5.5 81 5.7 February to April 2008 1,655 5.3 76 5.3 February to April 2009 2,280 7.3 110 7.7 February to April 20103 *2,472 7.9 **123 8.5 105W Written Answers21 JUNE 2010 Written Answers 106W

—=Datanotavailable. 1 Proportion of economically active. 2 March to May has been used for 1992 because these are the earliest data available for Wales. 3 Coefficients of Variation have been calculated for the latest period as an indication of the quality of the estimates. See Guide to Quality below. Guide to Quality: The Coefficient of Variation (CV) indicates the quality of an estimate, the smaller the CV value the higher the quality. The true value is likely to lie within +/- twice the CV—for example, for an estimate of 200 with a CV of 5 per cent. we would expect the population total to be within the range 180-220 Key Coefficient of Variation (CV) (%) Statistical Robustness * 0 = CV<5 Estimates are considered precise ** 5 = CV <10 Estimates are considered reasonably precise *** 10 = CV <20 Estimates are considered acceptable **** CV <20 Estimates are considered too unreliable for practical purposes Source: Labour Force Survey.

Unemployment: Young People As an alternative, in Table 1 we have provided the number of persons aged 18 to 24 claiming Jobseeker’s Allowance resident in the Dewsbury constituency for April in each year since 2005 Simon Reevell: To ask the Minister for the Cabinet along with the actual and percentage changes. Office what the (a) nominal and (b) percentage change in youth unemployment in Dewsbury National and local area estimates for many labour market constituency was in each of the last five years; and if he statistics, including employment, unemployment and claimant will make a statement. [2480] count are available on the NOMIS website at http://www.nomisweb.co.uk Mr Hurd: The information requested falls within the Table 1: Number of persons aged 18 to 24 claiming Jobseeker’s Allowance responsibility of the UK Statistics Authority. I have resident in Dewsbury constituency asked the authority to reply. Change on year Letter from Stephen Penneck, dated June 2010: Level Level Percentage As Director General for the Office for National Statistics, I have been asked to reply to your Parliamentary Question asking April 2005 310 — — what the (a) nominal and (b) percentage change in youth April 2006 435 125 39 unemployment in Dewsbury constituency was in each of the last five years. (2480) April 2007 480 45 10 The Office for National Statistics (ONS) compiles unemployment April 2008 490 10 3 statistics for local areas from the Annual Population Survey and April 2009 920 430 88 its predecessor the annual Labour Force Survey (LFS) following April 2010 880 -40 -4 International Labour Organisation (ILO) definitions. However, estimates of unemployment for the requested age band and Source: Jobcentre Plus Administrative System geography are not available.

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Col. No. Col. No. CULTURE, MEDIA AND SPORT ...... 1 CULTURE, MEDIA AND SPORT—continued 2018 World Cup...... 7 Women’s Sport (Media Coverage)...... 6 British Summer Time...... 13 FM Radio ...... 12 HOUSE OF COMMONS COMMISSION...... 18 Local and Regional Media...... 1 LED Lighting ...... 18 London Olympics ...... 9 LEADER OF THE HOUSE ...... 18 Music Venues ...... 5 Backbench Business Committee...... 18 National Lottery...... 8 Business of the House...... 21 National Lottery...... 8 Oral Statements ...... 22 Olympic Legacy (Wales)...... 10 Parliamentary Representation...... 23 Sporting Activity (Young People) ...... 11 Programming of Business ...... 22 Ticket Touting...... 12 Public Confidence (House of Commons)...... 20 Topical Questions ...... 14 Sittings Patterns ...... 19 WRITTEN MINISTERIAL STATEMENTS

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Col. No. Col. No. BUSINESS, INNOVATION AND SKILLS ...... 1WS HEALTH...... 5WS Further Education Investment ...... 1WS NHS Operating Framework...... 5WS National Minimum Wage...... 2WS ENVIRONMENT, FOOD AND RURAL HOME DEPARTMENT...... 6WS AFFAIRS...... 4WS Control Order Powers Report ...... 6WS Inland Waterways ...... 4WS FOREIGN AND COMMONWEALTH OFFICE..... 4WS WORK AND PENSIONS ...... 8WS EU Documents ...... 4WS Social Fund Consultation Closes ...... 8WS PETITION

Monday 21 June 2010

Col. No. Col. No. ENVIRONMENT, FOOD AND RURAL AFFAIRS...... 1P Incinerator (Croydon) ...... 1P WRITTEN ANSWERS

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Col. No. Col. No. BUSINESS, INNOVATION AND SKILLS ...... 83W BUSINESS, INNOVATION AND SKILLS—continued Aviation: Trade Competitiveness...... 83W Nissan: Finance ...... 93W Business: Government Assistance ...... 84W Northwest Regional Development Agency ...... 93W Business: Regulation ...... 84W Northwest Regional Development Agency: Companies House: Nantgarw ...... 85W Greater Manchester ...... 93W Credit Cards: Regulation ...... 86W Northwest Regional Development Agency: Departmental Manpower...... 86W Liverpool ...... 93W Departmental Ministerial Policy Advisers...... 88W Oil...... 94W EU Grants and Loans...... 88W One North East: Teesside...... 94W EU Grants and Loans: South West...... 88W Overseas Students ...... 94W Export Control Organisation ...... 89W Oxford and Cambridge Universities...... 94W Exports: Saudi Arabia...... 90W Regional Development Agencies...... 95W Google: Data Protection ...... 90W Higher Education and Student Finance CABINET OFFICE...... 99W Independent Review...... 91W Business: Closures...... 99W Higher Education: Hartlepool ...... 91W Communities First Fund...... 100W Iron and Steel...... 92W Electoral Register...... 100W National Union of Students...... 92W Government Departments: Internet...... 100W Col. No. Col. No. CABINET OFFICE—continued ENERGY AND CLIMATE CHANGE ...... 56W Ministerial Policy Advisers: Conduct...... 101W Energy: Subsidies ...... 56W Ministerial Policy Advisers: Pay...... 101W Human Tissue Analysis in UK Nuclear Facilities Senior Civil Servants: Pay ...... 101W Inquiry...... 56W Unemployment ...... 102W Nuclear Power Stations: Construction ...... 56W Unemployment: Young People...... 105W Radioactive Waste: Waste Management...... 57W Renewable Energy...... 57W CHURCH COMMISSIONERS ...... 1W Renewable Energy: Feed-in Tariffs...... 59W Church of England: Rivers ...... 1W ENVIRONMENT, FOOD AND RURAL COMMUNITIES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT.. 19W AFFAIRS...... 27W Affordable Housing: Construction...... 19W Departmental Internet ...... 27W Affordable Housing: Rural Areas...... 20W Departmental Postal Services...... 29W Council Housing: Construction ...... 21W Departmental Water Charges...... 29W Councillors: Conduct...... 21W Fisheries: Quotas ...... 30W Councillors: Pay...... 21W National Parks: Public Consultation...... 30W Decentralisation and Localism Bill ...... 22W Poultry: Animal Welfare ...... 30W Housing: Construction...... 22W Water ...... 31W Housing: Cornwall...... 22W Water Charges...... 32W Local Government Finance ...... 23W Water Companies: Regulation...... 32W Local Government: Public Consultation...... 24W Water: EU Law ...... 32W Regional Planning and Development...... 25W Whales: Conservation ...... 33W Regional Planning and Development: West Midlands...... 26W FOREIGN AND COMMONWEALTH OFFICE..... 35W Standards Board for England ...... 26W Ascension Island...... 35W Travellers: Caravan Sites ...... 26W Crimes of Violence: Females...... 36W Working Neighbourhoods Fund ...... 27W Cyprus: Peace Negotiations ...... 36W Diplomatic Service: Recruitment ...... 37W CULTURE, MEDIA AND SPORT ...... 14W European Parliament ...... 37W Arts Council England: Finance...... 15W Farai Maguwu ...... 37W British Film Institute: UK Film Council...... 15W Floribert Chebeya ...... 37W Departmental Official Cars...... 15W Government Hospitality: Wines...... 38W Digital Broadcasting: Radio...... 15W Palestinians: Human Rights...... 38W Digital Economy Act 2010...... 16W Palestinians: International Assistance ...... 39W Elite Sport...... 14W Sudan: Elections ...... 40W Football Club Governance...... 14W Unmanned Air Vehicles ...... 40W Listed Buildings: Coventry...... 16W Music...... 16W HEALTH...... 60W Olympic Games 2012 ...... 17W Abortion: Young People ...... 60W Olympic Games 2012: Cheshire ...... 17W Alcoholic Drinks: Misuse...... 62W Olympic Games 2012: Renewable Energy ...... 18W Autism: Children...... 63W Pornographic Imagery...... 14W Continuing Care ...... 63W S4C: Finance...... 18W Darent Valley Hospital ...... 64W Scouts and Guides: Finance...... 18W Dementia: Drugs...... 64W Tourism: Coastal Areas...... 19W Departmental Reviews ...... 65W Dietary Supplements: EU Law...... 65W DEFENCE...... 1W Disability: Social Services ...... 65W Afghanistan: Peacekeeping Operations ...... 1W General Practitioners: Equality...... 66W Aircraft Carriers ...... 3W Mental Health Services ...... 66W Armed Forces: Mental Health Services...... 3W Mental Health Services: Children ...... 67W Armed Forces: Pensions...... 4W NHS: Digital Technology...... 67W Armed Forces: Private Education ...... 4W NHS: Pay...... 67W Armed Forces: Wales ...... 5W Surgical Dressings...... 68W Armoured Fighting Vehicles ...... 6W Astute Class Submarines...... 6W HOME DEPARTMENT...... 80W AWE Aldermaston...... 6W Anti-Semitism...... 80W Defence...... 6W Drugs: Misuse...... 80W Defence Equipment: Sales...... 7W Harlow: Crime Statistics ...... 82W Defence: Procurement...... 10W Identity Cards ...... 81W Departmental Manpower...... 11W Immigration: Legacy Programme...... 83W Departmental Reviews ...... 11W Military Aircraft: Helicopters ...... 11W INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT...... 33W Military Bases: Safety ...... 12W Central America: Storms ...... 33W Unmanned Air Vehicles ...... 12W Departmental Reviews ...... 33W Developing Countries: Children...... 34W DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER ...... 59W Developing Countries: Health Services ...... 34W Constituencies...... 59W Developing Countries: Politics and Government.... 35W

EDUCATION...... 95W JUSTICE...... 48W Children: Social Services...... 95W Burglary: Self-defence ...... 48W Departmental Public Expenditure...... 96W Cemeteries ...... 49W Col. No. Col. No. JUSTICE—continued TREASURY—continued Cookham Wood Secure Training Centre...... 50W Equitable Life Assurance Society: Compensation .. 97W Departmental Manpower...... 51W Northwest Regional Development Agency ...... 98W Judges: Northumberland ...... 51W Public Expenditure...... 98W Legal Aid Scheme ...... 53W Public Sector: Redundancy Pay...... 98W Prison Sentences ...... 53W Taxation: Overseas Companies ...... 98W Prisoners’ Release: Disclosure of Information ...... 54W Working Tax Credit: Carers ...... 99W Rape...... 55W Rape: Rights of Accused...... 55W WALES...... 40W Reparation by Offenders ...... 55W Departmental Reviews ...... 40W Sexual Offences...... 56W Employment ...... 41W Local Broadcasting ...... 41W LEADER OF THE HOUSE ...... 13W Television...... 41W Ministerial Announcements...... 13W Participation in Debate ...... 14W WOMEN AND EQUALITIES...... 79W Equality: Local Government...... 79W PRIME MINISTER ...... 13W Rape: Rights of Accused...... 79W Iraq Committee of Inquiry ...... 13W Ministerial Policy Advisers...... 13W WORK AND PENSIONS ...... 68W USA: Oil...... 13W Access to Work Programme ...... 68W Carer’s Allowance...... 69W TRANSPORT ...... 42W Carer’s Allowance: Redcar...... 69W Bus Lanes ...... 42W Departmental Manpower...... 70W Crossrail Line: Kent...... 42W Departmental Official Cars...... 70W Dartford-Thurrock Crossing...... 42W Departmental Official Residences ...... 71W Dartford-Thurrock Crossing: Tolls ...... 43W Departmental Pay ...... 71W Departmental NDPBs...... 43W Departmental Public Expenditure...... 71W Departmental Public Expenditure...... 44W Departmental Telephone Services ...... 71W Electric Vehicles ...... 45W Departmental Translation Services ...... 72W Local Government Finance: Wales ...... 45W Electronic Government ...... 72W Public Transport: Expenditure ...... 45W Employment and Support Allowance ...... 72W Railways: Construction...... 46W Employment and Support Allowance: South West. 73W Speed Limits: Cameras...... 46W Employment Schemes: Mentally Ill...... 73W Transport: North West...... 47W Funeral Payments ...... 73W Travel ...... 48W Future Jobs Fund...... 75W Wales ...... 48W Jobcentre Plus: Digital Technology ...... 75W Oil: Safety ...... 76W TREASURY ...... 96W Poverty: Children ...... 77W Child Tax Credit ...... 96W Social Security Benefits...... 78W Credit Unions ...... 97W Social Security Benefits: Disability...... 77W Departmental Reviews ...... 97W Transocean...... 78W Equitable Life Assurance Society: Chester ...... 97W Work Capability Assessment...... 79W Members who wish to have the Daily Report of the Debates forwarded to them should give notice at the Vote Office. The Bound Volumes will also be sent to Members who similarly express their desire to have them. No proofs of the Daily Reports can be supplied, nor can corrections be made in the Weekly Edition. Corrections which Members suggest for the Bound Volume should be clearly marked in the Daily Report, but not telephoned, and the copy containing the Corrections must be received at the Editor’s Room, House of Commons,

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CONTENTS

Monday 21 June 2010

List of Government and Principal Officers of the House

Oral Answers to Questions [Col. 1] [see index inside back page] Secretary of State for Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport Leader of the House House of Commons Commission

Free Schools Policy [Col. 25] Answer to urgent question—(Michael Gove)

European Council [Col. 35] Statement—(Prime Minister)

Strategic Defence and Security Review [Col. 52] General debate

Housing Development (Swindon) [Col. 135] Debate on motion for Adjournment

Written Ministerial Statements [Col. 1WS]

Petitions [Col. 1P] Observations

Written Answers to Questions [Col. 1W] [see index inside back page]