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16 December 2009 3129 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 16 December 2009 3129 OFFICIAL RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Wednesday, 16 December 2009 The Council met at Eleven o'clock MEMBERS PRESENT: THE PRESIDENT THE HONOURABLE JASPER TSANG YOK-SING, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ALBERT HO CHUN-YAN IR DR THE HONOURABLE RAYMOND HO CHUNG-TAI, S.B.S., S.B.ST.J., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LEE CHEUK-YAN THE HONOURABLE FRED LI WAH-MING, S.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE MARGARET NG THE HONOURABLE JAMES TO KUN-SUN THE HONOURABLE CHEUNG MAN-KWONG THE HONOURABLE CHAN KAM-LAM, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MRS SOPHIE LEUNG LAU YAU-FUN, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG YIU-CHUNG DR THE HONOURABLE PHILIP WONG YU-HONG, G.B.S. THE HONOURABLE WONG YUNG-KAN, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LAU KONG-WAH, J.P. 3130 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 16 December 2009 THE HONOURABLE LAU WONG-FAT, G.B.M., G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MIRIAM LAU KIN-YEE, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE EMILY LAU WAI-HING, J.P. THE HONOURABLE ANDREW CHENG KAR-FOO THE HONOURABLE TIMOTHY FOK TSUN-TING, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TAM YIU-CHUNG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ABRAHAM SHEK LAI-HIM, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LI FUNG-YING, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TOMMY CHEUNG YU-YAN, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ALBERT CHAN WAI-YIP THE HONOURABLE FREDERICK FUNG KIN-KEE, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE AUDREY EU YUET-MEE, S.C., J.P. THE HONOURABLE VINCENT FANG KANG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG KWOK-HING, M.H. THE HONOURABLE LEE WING-TAT DR THE HONOURABLE JOSEPH LEE KOK-LONG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE JEFFREY LAM KIN-FUNG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ANDREW LEUNG KWAN-YUEN, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ALAN LEONG KAH-KIT, S.C. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG KWOK-HUNG LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 16 December 2009 3131 THE HONOURABLE CHEUNG HOK-MING, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG TING-KWONG, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE RONNY TONG KA-WAH, S.C. THE HONOURABLE CHIM PUI-CHUNG PROF THE HONOURABLE PATRICK LAU SAU-SHING, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE KAM NAI-WAI, M.H. THE HONOURABLE CYD HO SAU-LAN THE HONOURABLE STARRY LEE WAI-KING DR THE HONOURABLE LAM TAI-FAI, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN HAK-KAN THE HONOURABLE PAUL CHAN MO-PO, M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN KIN-POR, J.P. THE HONOURABLE TANYA CHAN DR THE HONOURABLE PRISCILLA LEUNG MEI-FUN DR THE HONOURABLE LEUNG KA-LAU THE HONOURABLE CHEUNG KWOK-CHE THE HONOURABLE WONG SING-CHI THE HONOURABLE WONG KWOK-KIN, B.B.S. THE HONOURABLE WONG YUK-MAN THE HONOURABLE IP WAI-MING, M.H. 3132 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 16 December 2009 THE HONOURABLE IP KWOK-HIM, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MRS REGINA IP LAU SUK-YEE, G.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE PAN PEY-CHYOU THE HONOURABLE PAUL TSE WAI-CHUN DR THE HONOURABLE SAMSON TAM WAI-HO, J.P. MEMBER ABSENT: DR THE HONOURABLE DAVID LI KWOK-PO, G.B.M., G.B.S., J.P. PUBLIC OFFICERS ATTENDING: MR KENNETH CHEN WEI-ON, J.P. SECRETARY FOR EDUCATION THE HONOURABLE STEPHEN LAM SUI-LUNG, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR CONSTITUTIONAL AND MAINLAND AFFAIRS THE HONOURABLE AMBROSE LEE SIU-KWONG, G.B.S., I.D.S.M., J.P. SECRETARY FOR SECURITY DR THE HONOURABLE YORK CHOW YAT-NGOK, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR FOOD AND HEALTH THE HONOURABLE DENISE YUE CHUNG-YEE, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE THE HONOURABLE MATTHEW CHEUNG KIN-CHUNG, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR LABOUR AND WELFARE PROF THE HONOURABLE K C CHAN, S.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR FINANCIAL SERVICES AND THE TREASURY LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 16 December 2009 3133 THE HONOURABLE MRS RITA LAU NG WAI-LAN, J.P. SECRETARY FOR COMMERCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CLERKS IN ATTENDANCE: MS PAULINE NG MAN-WAH, SECRETARY GENERAL MRS VIVIAN KAM NG LAI-MAN, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL MRS JUSTINA LAM CHENG BO-LING, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL MRS PERCY MA, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL 3134 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 16 December 2009 PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Clerk, please ring the bell to summon Members to the Chamber. (After the summoning bell had been rung, a number of Members entered the Chamber) PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): The meeting starts. TABLING OF PAPERS The following papers were laid on the table pursuant to Rule 21(2) of the Rules of Procedure: Subsidiary Legislation/Instruments L.N. No. Exemption from Profits Tax (Renminbi Sovereign Bonds) Order ...................................................................... 246/2009 Buildings (Amendment) Ordinance 2008 (Commencement) Notice 2009............................................................ 247/2009 Building (Minor Works) Regulation (Commencement) Notice 2009.......................................................... 248/2009 Building (Minor Works) (Fees) Regulation (Commencement) Notice ..................................................................... 249/2009 Prevention of Bribery Ordinance (Amendment of Schedule 1) Order 2009 (Commencement) Notice.................... 250/2009 Other Papers No. 44 ─ Annual Report by the Board of Governors of the Prince Philip Dental Hospital and Audited Statement of Accounts 2008/09 No. 45 ─ Secretary for Home Affairs Incorporated Audited financial statements together with the Director of Audit's Report for the year ended 31 March 2009 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 16 December 2009 3135 No. 46 ─ Sir Edward Youde Memorial Fund Signed and audited financial statements together with the Auditor's Report and the Report of the Board of Trustees for the period 1 April 2008 to 31 March 2009 No. 47 ─ Queen Elizabeth Foundation for the Mentally Handicapped Report and Accounts 2008-2009 No. 48 ─ The Accounts of the Lotteries Fund 2008-09 No. 49 ─ Office of the Privacy Commissioner for Personal Data, Hong Kong Annual Report 2008-09 No. 50 ─ Equal Opportunities Commission Annual Report 08/09 No. 51 ─ The Sir Murray MacLehose Trust Fund Signed and audited financial statements together with the Auditor's Report and Trustee’s Report for the year 1 April 2008 to 31 March 2009 No. 52 ─ Signed and audited financial statements together with the Auditor's Report and the Report on the Administration of the Chinese Temples Fund for the year ended 31 March 2009 No. 53 ─ Social Work Training Fund Forty-eighth Annual Report by the Trustee for the year 31 March 2009 No. 54 ─ Grantham Scholarships Fund Signed and audited Statement of Accounts together with the Auditor's Report and Report by the Grantham Scholarships Fund Committee on the Administration of the Fund for the year ended 31 August 2009 No. 55 ─ The Brewin Trust Fund Audited financial statements together with the Auditor's Report and Report by the Brewin Trust Fund Committee on the Administration of the Fund for the year ended 30 June 2009 3136 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 16 December 2009 No. 56 ─ Signed and audited financial statements together with the Auditor's Report and the Report on the Administration of the General Chinese Charities Fund for the year ended 31 March 2009 Report No. 1/09-10 of the House Committee on Consideration of Subsidiary Legislation and Other Instruments Report of the Bills Committee on Public Officers Pay Adjustment Bill Report of the Bills Committee on Domestic Violence (Amendment) Bill 2009 ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Questions. First Question. Implementation of Mutual Use of Electronic Money Systems of Hong Kong and Shenzhen 1. MR JEFFREY LAM (in Cantonese): President, at the Hong Kong/Shenzhen Co-operation Meeting held on the 30th of last month, the Governments of Hong Kong and Shenzhen agreed to link up in the near future the two electronic money systems of Octopus in Hong Kong and Shenzhen Tong in Shenzhen to enable the cross-system usage of the stored-value cards (SVCs) concerned by residents in both places for travelling and shopping (the mutual use of the SVCs). In this connection, will the Government inform this Council: (a) when the mutual use of the SVCs is expected to be implemented; in calculating the transaction amounts, how the Hong Kong dollar (HKD) and Renminbi (RMB) are to be converted, including whether a fixed or floating conversion rate will be used; whether or not the conversion rate will be determined by the card issuers or the shops concerned; whether or not it knows if the card issuer has received any complaint about the miscalculation of or questionable LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 16 December 2009 3137 conversion rates since Octopus may be used in certain retail outlets in Shenzhen from August 2006 onwards; (b) of the transport carriers and retail outlets to which the SVCs concerned will be applicable after the implementation of the mutual use of the SVCs, whether or not transport carriers travelling to and from other cities in the Pearl River Delta (PRD) Region will be included and whether or not the area of application will be expanded to cover other places in the PRD Region; and (c) upon the implementation of the mutual use of the SVCs, which card issuer the cardholders should contact when they have lost their cards or wrong amounts have been deducted; what mechanism is in place to handle such situations; whether or not cardholders can check the records of transactions conducted through the aforesaid systems in both Hong Kong and Shenzhen; and whether or not automatic add-value services are available for the SVCs concerned in both places? SECRETARY FOR FINANCIAL SERVICES AND THE TREASURY (in Cantonese): President, the Administration's reply to Mr Jeffrey LAM's question is as follows: (a) Octopus and Shenzhen Tong have set up a task force to conduct in-depth studies and detailed discussions concerning the technical, business and operational aspects of the issue.
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