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DAVID E. SKAGGS. Born 1943. TRANSCRIPT of OH 1704V This Interview Was Recorded on January 27, 2011, for the Maria Rogers Oral Hi DAVID E. SKAGGS. Born 1943. TRANSCRIPT of OH 1704V This interview was recorded on January 27, 2011, for the Maria Rogers Oral History Program. The interviewer is Brandon Springer. The interview also is available in video format, filmed by Emily Shuster. The interview was transcribed by Diane Baron. ABSTRACT: David Skaggs describes his own history leading up to becoming a member of the House of Representatives and some of the work he's been involved with since leaving public office. In the heart of the interview, he focuses on his interactions with Bill Cohen and Boulder Action for Soviet Jewry as well as his involvement with the Aleksandr Nikitin case, a Russian trial in which he participated as a member of the House of Representatives. NOTE: The interviewer’s questions and comments appear in parentheses. Added material appears in brackets. [A]. 00:00 (Today is Thursday, January 27th, and my name is Brandon Springer. I'm interviewing David Skaggs, who is a former congressman who helped Boulder Action for Soviet Jewry advocate their cause internationally—as well as many, many other things. This interview is being recorded for the Maria Rogers Oral History Program and is being filmed by Emily Shuster. So, David, my first question is when and where were you born?) February 22nd, 1943, in Cincinnati, Ohio, but we were living in Kentucky across the river at the time. (So, could you briefly tell us how you grew up and when you eventually came to Boulder, Colorado?) My family moved to the New York area when I was a little boy, baby really, and I grew up in and around New York City—briefly in Queens, New York, then for all of my schooling years in Cranford, New Jersey about 20 miles outside the city. I was a legal resident there until moving to Colorado but was not really living there while in college and law school and then for active duty in the Marine Corps. I moved to Boulder because I had the good luck to visit Colorado on, actually, a dare from a girlfriend in the summer of 1962 and was about to go back to work for a Wall Street law firm after the Marine Corps and decided that life could be better in Colorado, so I moved out here in 1971. David Skaggs Interview Page 1 (And was it better?) Yes. Well, who knows? You know you can't control these experiments. I think so. (Good to hear! So, tell me, when did you first meet Bill and Sara-Jane Cohen?) My memory is that Bill and Sara-Jane started their law practice, Cohen and Cohen, maybe in '71 or '72, and they rented offices in the same building in what we then called the Woolworth Building in downtown Boulder at Pearl and Broadway. The firm I worked for was in the same building and we got to know each other, probably going to the restroom, I'm not quite sure. (And how did your relationship with them evolve?) Well, we had political sympathies that were nicely aligned, and then I'm also remembering—it may have been that Bill recruited me to be co-counsel with him in a law suit against Alex Hunter who was, at that time, the district attorney in Boulder County but also had an investment, I think, in some low income housing in Lafayette or Louisville, and there was a case that emerged out of that. I can't even remember the facts, Bill would know. So we worked together on that. And then, as I recall, did some work together on Tim Wirth's campaign for Congress in ’74 when I was essentially managing the campaign in Boulder County. (And how did you get involved in the Wirth campaign?) I was at the time the chairman of the Democratic Party for the Second Congressional District, so that naturally threw me into contact with Tim when he was first scouting out a race in '73. (And so the Cohens were also working on the campaign?) They did. I can't give you a play-by-play of exactly what they did and when they did it, but we were involved together. (And what are some of your memories of the campaign?) Well, it was a come-from-behind operation. People these days don't remember—not many do—that Boulder was a Republican city and county in the ‘60s and early ‘70s. And the Second Congressional District was as well. So Tim was trying to unseat a long-time incumbent, Don Brotzman. A very tough row to hoe, and ‘74 was notable, because in the summer Richard Nixon was impeached, and the Watergate matter finally reached its climax, and a lot of people who probably didn't have a prayer of winning, probably including Tim, won in November of '74. So that was kind of the background of a campaign that was a long shot to start with and then ultimately successful. David Skaggs Interview Page 2 (And so we know that the Cohens had held a march for Soviet Jewry at about the same time, and Tim Wirth had been involved in that; he had marched with them. Do you have any memory of that?) I don't, sorry. 05:14 (So Tim Wirth wins the election. What happens then for you?) I took a leave from the law firm I was with and went to Washington to be Tim's administrative assistant. The title that was used in those days would now be called chief of staff. I had a wonderful couple of years working with and for Tim, managed his re- election campaign in 1976. I'm sure I had contact with Bill and Sara-Jane during those months and years, but I can't give you anything more concrete, I'm afraid. It certainly was a great education and training for me in politics and in Congress to be Tim's right-hand going through his first term and doing a lot of important reform work in Congress and elsewhere. (What kind of reform work?) Tim was the leader, maybe just one of the leaders, of the effort that was launched after the '74 election by the newly elected Democrats to really, not quite do away with, but undo the usual seniority system that had really dominated House practice and committee chair selection for ages. So for the first time, committee chairs were not just sort of migrated by seniority through the ranks to chairmanship if they lived long enough and got re-elected enough times. But instead, chairmanships were elected by the full Democratic caucus, which meant that junior members and more reform-minded members had a chance to really hold their committee leadership accountable. Tim was involved in a number of other things: telecommunications, energy, but I think the seniority system upheaval was probably the most important thing to mention. [pause in recording] (So how long did you serve with Tim Wirth in Congress?) I was his AA—chief of staff—for his first term and briefly into his second term in 1977. I stuck around to help him hire my replacement, but at the time I was adamant with Tim that I didn't want to get sucked into a career in Washington and wanted to get back to Boulder. (And you did?) And I did, briefly. (So Tim Wirth decides to run for Senate, correct?) David Skaggs Interview Page 3 Correct. Which was because Gary Hart decided to run for President. (Which didn't turn out so well. But did you work on his campaign as he ran for Senate?) No, I was busy running for Congress in 1986 so I had my hands full. Again, the complexion of Boulder had changed markedly in the intervening years, but Tim had barely survived re-election in 1984, I was running against the guy who almost beat him in '84 when I ran in '86, and was the underdog until the very end and was able to squeak out a win with a little less than 50% of the vote. (And what had prompted you to run for that seat?) I think any explanation that any politician gives for why they run for office is inherently flawed, including mine. I found the ability to work on important public policy at the state level—I was in the state legislature until then—and the prospect of doing it nationally was pretty intriguing. It's a cool job, right? [chuckles] You know, you don't do this without some modicum of ambition. But I really credit Tim for a lot of this, because it really was the experience seeing first-hand what one could do as a member of the House of Representatives if you worked at it. That seemed to make it a worthwhile thing to give a try. So I did and squeaked out the win. (And that was in 1986?) Right. 09:45 (Now Boulder Action for Soviet Jewry had started in 1987, and before that they had been working on various things. And you had helped them in Congress?) I did. I can't place the timing exactly of when I became aware of their work and was enlisted to lend a hand. (And what sorts of things did you end up helping them with?) Well, I think before the Aleksandr Nikitin case, which we'll talk about in a while I think, there were just very specific persons of interest that the committee focused on and asked members of Congress to take various steps in behalf of, so that could be writing to the Soviet ambassador, generally signing on expressions of support of one kind or another.
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