1.3.2021 – Alan Dershowitz QA
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Cancel Culture, Female Bias at Work, Mortgages, Corporate Credit, and Chinese Deflation - What Happens Next – 1.3.2021 – Alan Dershowitz QA Larry Bernstein: Thank you, Alan, that was terrific. Rick Banks: Thanks for that, there's a lot there. Let me start off with one question that is at the top of mind, which is Alan, I'm trying to understand how do we explain the emergence of cancel culture? It's easy to look back and understand the emergence of McCarthyism, right?... We might be opposed to McCarthyism, but we can understand where it came from, why it came about in the midst of the communist threat. But how do we explain where cancel culture came from now? How is it that we find ourselves in this? Alan Dershowitz: It's a great question. I think it comes from the deep divisions that we have in our country. Today, there's no nuance, there's no middle ground, there's no center approach. Today, you pick sides, Red Sox or Yankees. You can't be in between, you can't say, "I like the Red Sox, sometimes they do some good. The Yankees, Hey, they've had some great hitters." You're either a Red Sox fan or a Yankee fan. Today, the choice between the hard left and hard right is driving people to basically choose sides, and when you choose sides you know the truth, capital T. And if you know the truth, why do you need dissenting opinions? And there's now, for the first time in my lifetime, an actual academic discipline that is developing for arguing against the first amendment, arguing against freedom of speech, saying free speech is a patriarchal colonialist capitalist imposition by the right on the left. And we know the truth, why do we need dissenting views? We know that when a woman accuses a man, she's telling the truth and he's lying. Why do we need trials? Why do we need due process? So it's a manifestation at the growing intolerance of nuance, the growing intolerance of opposing points of view, and of course the growing influence of social media. Rick Banks: How disappointed should we be in the university leadership or institutions more generally, and how they support the cancel culture? Alan Dershowitz: Never disappointed by university leaderships because I never expected anything of them, so I can't be disappointed. The university leadership is exactly as behaving as I expected they would, in a cowardly fashion, the way they reacted mostly to McCarthyism, they're interested in keeping things together. Take for example, what happened at Harvard. A very distinguished professor named Ron Sullivan, friend of mine, taught at the law school, teaches at the law school. The first African-American, along with his wife, used to be called master, now Dean of Winthrop House, one of the great colleges, and old colleges, Harvard, very distinguished, dean, but he dared to represent for only a month. Harvey Weinstein, as a result of that, some radical women in his house said that they didn't feel safe with him present. First of all, it was a lie. They were just lying. Of course, they felt safe. Alan Dershowitz: He had previously, a year earlier, represented a New England Patriot player who had in cold blood, murdered two people, a gangland style killings. Nobody felt unsafe when he represented them. But when he represented Harvey Weinstein, they claimed to feel unsafe, they were lying, and I use my language carefully. I don't treat students as young kids, I treat them as adults. And when 19 to 20 year old says, "I am afraid, I don't feel safe." I look at them in the eye and I say, "You're not telling the truth, you do feel safe. But you learned that the words, I don't feel safe, have now become a mechanism for imposing your will and censoring." And what happened? There was a petition to remove him, not to rehire him as dean. And what did the administration do? It caved, and it didn't rehire him as dean. Now people like Noah Feldman, my colleague at Harvard said, "Hey, Alan, what are you saying? He wasn't fired, he just wasn't rehired." And I wrote back to Noah and said, what if they had discovered he was gay or Muslim, or in the 1930s discovered he was a Jew, and didn't rehire him? Would you make a distinction between not rehiring, of course not. Alan Dershowitz: So administrators, faculty, cowards all have refused to stand up to the crowd, the bullying crowd of 19 and 20 year olds, egged on by bullying professors, many of whom have been very radical over the years and use the classroom as a podium for not teaching students how to think, but propagandizing them about what to think. And so it's a deeper problem at universities, but I never could be disappointed by university administrators because for 65 years in the college and university business, I've never expected anything much from university administrators. Occasionally when you get a university administrator who has courage, like Larry Summers, he too gets fired and canceled. Rick Banks: Right. But even if we don't expect the university administrators to take a stand, why don't the faculty, if for no reason other than self-interest and the recognition that they might be next, why don't they take a we should stand for as a university? Why don't they do that? Alan Dershowitz: You put your finger on it. Again, 65 years of being in the adult world, I'd never met a less courageous group of people than tenured faculty. Tenure just doesn't work. Faculty members want to be loved by their students, they want to get high teaching ratings from their students, and you know how you get high ratings from your students, the way Elizabeth Warren got high ratings from her students, never ever say anything controversial, telling the students exactly what they want to hear, confirming their preexisting views, teaching the same every year, telling you the same jokes every year, never getting involved in controversy, and you get the highest ratings. I used to get the highest ratings at Harvard Law School until I started taking controversial positions, and mostly out of class not in the class, in the classroom I was always the devil's advocate, but when my pro-Israel advocacy outside of class became well known, groups of students started giving me zero evaluations. I mean zero knowledge of the subject, zero ability to articulate my views, zero in availability outside of the classroom. Alan Dershowitz: The dean called me in one day and said, "This is ridiculous, there's no professor at Harvard that's more available to students. You take every student that you have to lunch, you invite them over to your house for dinner, your door is always open, and you get zero for availability out of class?." And I said, "Don't you understand? They have a group that has said, 'Give Dershowitz all zeros, and that will knock his student evaluations from perfect five down to 3.8 because he'll have 10 or 15 zeros.'" And so students use teacher evaluations as weapons against the faculty and the faculty, who for the most part lack any courage or any willingness to stand up to students, simply go along at the faculty dining room they talk about it and they rail against it, but when it comes to making public statements, forget about it. You cannot count on tenured faculty members to show courage. Rick Banks: Let me just insert there though, as a faculty member who has tenure, we know that teacher ratings or student ratings don't really affect one's life. If you have tenure, the ratings don't really affect your life in any material way, so it doesn't... That's not feeling like the real answer. Alan Dershowitz: I fundamentally disagree. If you have tenure at Harvard, it may not affect your life. But if you have tenure at Minnesota and want to go to Harvard, it affects your life- Rick Banks: Right, but we're talking about- Alan Dershowitz: How did Elizabeth Warren get her job at Harvard? She had not published any significant scholarship, she got her job at Harvard because she was the most highly ranked teacher. So teacher evaluations do matter, teacher awards do matter, teacher awards matter in terms of getting into the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and other evaluations. And it's not only teacher evaluations, it's your general approval. As a teacher, I've gotten many teachers who've told me, law school teachers, that they haven't been overtly punished, but they just subtly were told, "You no longer teaching first year students, because you're too controversial and the students feel unsafe when you talk about certain subjects." Alan Dershowitz: Let me give you an example. Professor, friend of mine, taught criminal law for years, he spent the whole summer a few years ago finding any casebook, criminal law casebook that never mentioned the word rape, because he didn't want to teach it because he knew that as a white male, there's no way he was going to be able to teach rape without getting completely attacked for expressing any views that were in any way out of the political mainstream, and he didn't want to skip it.