Forum: Reviews - Real Reviews written by Real People Thread: Me + Pheromone vs ex-wife

Sptenn - May 24, 2013, 5:23 pm Hello. I have 42 years. I am separated for 1 year and I have 2 small children. I'm trying to learn to use to win back my ex-wife. She is 41 years old. She asked for a separation saying, discussions, not having the same interests or concerns, boring sex, 16 years of marriage. The typical excuse they always say to seek separation. Since the separation we are living together in the same house and slept in the same bed. Sexless obviously. We live together to educate our children. According to her. I still love her and I want Love and conquer it.

My last five years of marriage I played beta, (a king leon). I never wanted to do anything or commit to anything. When we start dating and I marriage I was very alpha. Now I try to be more alpha, but also be a little loving and helpful to her. Right now we are in "friends zone" and I want out of this situation. I ordered some products HAX (Holy grail, Ladykiller, and C4 Extreme) to learn the use of pheromones. I wish Love to her again, and have sex with her. I need advice. Do not know if this pack of HAX pheromones can help me and do not know how to use them correctly. If this pack is not right for me, what product or combinations could I use? She are beta.

Holy Grail

Androstadienone (x2), (x2), alpha- (x3), beta-Androstenol (x3), , (x2), Androstanone, Androstadienol (x3), Estratetraenol, DHEA Sulfate, Oxytocin, Copulins

Ladykiller

Androstadienone, Androstenone (x2), alpha-Androstenol, beta-Androstenol, Androsterone, Epiandrosterone, Androstanone, Androstadienol, Estratetraenol, 7-keto DHEA, Copulins

C4 Extreme

alpha-Androstenol (x3), beta-Androstenol (x2), Epiandrosterone (x2), Androstadienone (x2), Oxytocin

Sptenn - May 24, 2013, 5:35 pm Note:Sometimes when we speak at home, she dilate her eyes, she puts her hands on her hips. Other times she crosses her arms, covering her breasts, and he turns his body sideways. Used: 2clicks of holy grail ohhmygod - May 24, 2013, 6:02 pm When I see sex i see New Pheromone Additive, it will make her very horny You can try L2K from Alpha Dream, or other guys might be able to help you with this.

Welcome to PTruth.

Sptenn - May 24, 2013, 7:00 pm (05-24-2013 1:02 PM)ohhmygod Wrote:  When I see sex i see New Pheromone Additive, it will make her very horny You can try L2K from Alpha Dream, or other guys might be able to help you with this.

Welcome to PTruth.

NAP is fully sexual. But if I want her to feel love for me again? paradigmshift - May 24, 2013, 7:12 pm Look at from her point of view. Are you boring?

Boring sex check. Sounds like sex is predictable same position same place Same ol same ol.

How do your conversations with her go?

It sounds like theres a lot going on that Pheromones alone wont fix.

Are you in shape? Is she in better shape? Dont share the same interests read as in we never do anything together anymore.

LL21 - May 24, 2013, 8:47 pm Well Pheromones may or may not help you. You should look at Cohesion by pheromoneXS or Androstadienone. a-1 might be the falling in love you need.

Sptenn - May 24, 2013, 9:55 pm (05-24-2013 3:47 PM)LL21 Wrote:  Well Pheromones may or may not help you. You should look at Cohesion by pheromoneXS or Androstadienone. a-1 might be the falling in love you need. I've read good reviews on the forum, talking about cohesion. I'll have to try it. Thx. Some product HAX I bought could help me? Holy grail and C4 extreme have Androstadienone and oxytocin. Ladykiller have Androstadienone.

LL21 - May 24, 2013, 10:09 pm a-1 works differently when it is combined with other ingredients and when it has smaller amounts of a-1 it can have a calming effect on men and women. You might want a product and A1 or cohesion. Letting us know about the details of your situation will only help you get the best recommendation based on your situation and people who have experienced something like that. There are people of all ages on these forums. lifeisgood7 - May 24, 2013, 10:58 pm this is coming from Doc Love. once a woman's interest level is below 49%, there is no way to bring it back up

everything after that, it is a sloooowwww death

she lost interest because you were no longer a challenge

like everyone else said: the mones may or may not work. worth a try.

even if you win her with the mones, you will win her on a primal level. i doubt you will win her on an emotional level with mones which is what women need

i suggest you go to this website and read this book:

https://www.2shared.com/document/v8fuMzBz/Doc_Love_The_System.html

Click the blue download button. Download the book and read it cover to cover.

Here is an article: https://www.askmen.com/dating/doclove_400/429_relationship_expert.html

If you want her back, it is going to take hard work. all women are wired the same...at least the sane ones.

Here is your next option:

NO CONTACT

https://blog.howtogetyourexbackfast.com/how-to-write-an-effective-no-contact-message/

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090728154442AAciQ7N alphavitea - May 25, 2013, 3:41 am Good luck on your quest. I had similar but not as dire circumstances in my marriage where the sex dropped off to like once a month. You have it a little worse. I ordered av and aome other stuff and immediately tarted getting sex again. I changed my behaviors from needy and weak back to my original self, confident and alpha and wifey can't stop complimenting in how I have changed.

Mentally prepare yourself to be a strong self sufficient man. One that would have no problem attracting other females. Pretend likenyounare single and out to pick up a mate. Groom more, always smell good, be decisive, spend time doing your own things. Go out with the guys more. This doesn't mean that you wanna get a girlfriend it just will pu you in the mindset to attract female attention and low and behold you might get female attention from the x.

If she is bored with the old you then be a new you. The same things that will attract a new liver should work to attract your old one. Obviously nits not that simple bit it could be. She is looking for someone that lights her fire and you are totally capable.

Confidence is key. And don't kiss her ass.

These things have worked to make my wife respect and desire me more. Read my journal from the beginning where I was deaperate for some attention from wifey and immediately following my first phero usage I sasweb improvements every day in her desire for me. Pheromones can def help you with self effects as well as aytraction. meme371 - May 25, 2013, 4:30 am I agree with alphavitea. You should make some behavior changes and work the pheromones angle. Cohesionxs is really good stuff and that will help you if you want her attention in terms of comfort around you and even having feelings for you like falling in love. Doc Love is a legend, you should read the ebooks shared by lifeisgood7. Basically start being a challenge to your wife(teasing and being playful) and start going out with the guys and find hobbies and stuff you enjoy. Most women if not all respond to CONFIDENCE so work on your behavior. Get cohesion asap and read the threads or reports on it. It will sure help. I wish you all the best

Pheroman - May 25, 2013, 8:00 am (05-24-2013 2:00 PM)Sptenn Wrote:  NAP is fully sexual. But if I want her to feel love for me again? Nude Alpha or Certo is my rec.

Sptenn - May 25, 2013, 6:55 pm (05-24-2013 3:47 PM)LL21 Wrote:  Well Pheromones may or may not help you. You should look at Cohesion by pheromoneXS or Androstadienone. a-1 might be the falling in love you need. While I hope my order COHESION XS, I write a small report on the use of the products HAX.

1 week on hax products. Report. (Holy Grail): 3 sprays. 2 in neck and one under hands. The first hour of contact with it is good. She does not stop talking to me. She was dilated eyes. Hands on hips. After the second hour she seems a little tired. She moves around the house without speaking or looking at me. I think this product is very aggressive and heavy in 2-6 hours of contact with her. (Ladykiller): 3 sprays. 2 in neck and one below my hands. The first contact I think she avoids looking and talking. She seems stressed. A few hours later, 3-4, she communicates more, but with distance. I think she captures sexual excess pheromone and she avoids me. (C4 extreme): 3 sprays. 2 neck and under my hands. The first contact is Very good. She talks a lot and she places her body straight to mine. Face to face. During the following hours, 3-6, she can surprise me with family plans. A trip to a hotel on the beach with the kids. Any visit to parks for walks with our children. It seems that with c4 extreme she feels most comfortable for 8 hours effects of pheromones. " She is comfortable. But without love, without sex. Just as friends zone or responsible parents."

Thanks to all who help in this forum. I'm learning a lot reading it. whatupbrah - May 26, 2013, 12:06 am (05-24-2013 11:30 PM)meme371 Wrote:  I agree with alphavitea. You should make some behavior changes and work the pheromones angle. Cohesionxs is really good stuff and that will help you if you want her attention in terms of comfort around you and even having feelings for you like falling in love. Doc Love is a legend, you should read the ebooks shared by lifeisgood7. Basically start being a challenge to your wife(teasing and being playful) and start going out with the guys and find hobbies and stuff you enjoy. Most women if not all respond to CONFIDENCE so work on your behavior. Get cohesion asap and read the threads or reports on it. It will sure help. I wish you all the best

Seriously if you follow what this guy said you shall succeed. Quality advice.

Fishdude - May 26, 2013, 6:04 am I have seen this time and time again , men trying to win their wives or ex girlfriends back. If a couple has ever been to marriage counselling then their marriage is over, they are just finding a way to live together. Women are nesters and unlike men who will leave a relationship sooner when dissatisfied, women will hang in there to keep the home happy.

It's probable that your wife was dissatisfied with your marriage years before you were even aware, so now after years of .... Well... She has made her mind up.

When you are wearing the sexual mones you are confusing her, she does not want sex yet feels attracted in an animalistic way . Her pupils dilate to reveal her inner thoughts but her arms cross to shut you out.

You best bet is to prepare for the worst, there is nothing wrong with loving someone but learn to let them go. Reading this thread tells me you are putting a large effort in chasing her and she most likely feels that too. She knows you better than we do.

Use this opportunity to improve your personal life. Work out, eat better and be more aloof with her. Go out with friends and meet outher women too. Don't tell her the details. Now don't start being Mr Sheen but just be absent, she'll get the message. You life is getting better without her? She'll have none of that.

For the mones I would go for a solid alpha mixed with some cohesion. Take some Ascend 2 drops oil and add just a half drop of av. AV can be very sexual or alpha depending how much you use.

And let her come to you. Watch tv on the sofa with a beer . No girly shit, watch a man show of some sort. If she wants to chat and she will want to snuggle,and you will but just for a few minutes . Don't give in because then she has you again, your the man and you will make time on your own terms.

Best of luck.

FD

Fishdude - May 26, 2013, 6:33 am Rather than edit my last post I do want to add something fresh.

The Doc love story is great and it's really fail prof and 100% percent true. He is probably almost 70 and is giving advice to men wrt women. I like this a lot more than some 20 something "PUA" telling me to practice kino and generating emotions with a story of a long lost puppy.

What the doc has always said, and he is not a doctor but just recognized this huge market.

And I love this line, read it twice.

"Women never lie, it's just that men don't listen"

So true

FD veramis - May 26, 2013, 11:57 am I would use a small amount of alpha, comfort (androstadienone) and socials for at least the first month, no sexuals. Don't make her suspicious of why she suddenly feels differently towards you. And I'd also try to exercise, eat healthier, take up some hobbies, and go out with the kids more, to show her that you want to improve yourself and show her you do like having fun. paradigmshift - May 26, 2013, 7:16 pm The hardest thing to do when changing is to have the mind set of changing because you want to improve. Its too easy to want to change because you want someones approval. Its too easy to give up because you dont get that persons approval.

Change because you want to.

Sptenn - May 26, 2013, 10:29 pm (05-26-2013 2:16 PM)paradigmshift Wrote:  The hardest thing to do when changing is to have the mind set of changing because you want to improve. Its too easy to want to change because you want someones approval. Its too easy to give up because you dont get that persons approval.

Change because you want to.

From the first day of separation, just a year ago, I've already started my changes. Not a different person, but I left my self over the years. I try to be alpha but also help her in any way I can. I was very lazy the last five years. I have to change my attitude, letting him know that I do not depend on anything about her.

There is some version of doclove-the system in Spanish? It is my natural language and I will understand it better.

Your recommendations are CERTO or COHESION. What will work best for my problem? How many sprays is recommended in spray version? That attitude I have to work using pheromones?

Sptenn - May 26, 2013, 10:51 pm Note:Testing HAX products, I have noticed the AndostraDienone negative feelings. They make me feel like shit. Anything to avoid? lifeisgood7 - May 26, 2013, 10:54 pm if you scroll down to the bottom of this page:

https://doclove.com/contact/

you will find:

EL SISTEMA (Spanish Version) No Se Aceptan Devoluciones Por Archivos Descargables En Formato

buy it.

here is some of his vidoes on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/v/Zb9l4f-SSQk&rel=0&fs=1

to be honest bro, it sounds like she moved on. Reality Factor - Men have a tendency not to face reality when it comes to dealing with Miss Right.

Bottom Line Factor - Only her actions truly reflect her feelings and attitude towards you.

Female Interest Level - The most important factor. A thermostat of a woman's romantic feelings for you. It is a scale from 0% to 100%.

90 - 100%: She is in love. The goal is to get and keep her here by practicing the male strength qualities.

51 - 89%: The higher her interest level, the more fun you will have. The lower her interest level, the more she will nag, graze, and act moody.

49%: The point of no return. A guy can't raise her interest level above 50% again. One example of reaching this point is hearing "I need my space."

40 - 49%: She may be with a guy but is gathering resentment to make a clean break. She is generally unpleasant to be around and open to flirting with other guys.

0 - 39%: She walks. It's like she was dating the guy 100 years ago. She has moved on.

Back - You can never go back. The resentment and reasons why it didn't work are still there. If she wants to come back it is to satisfy her ego and will be temporary until she finds something better to do.

Maintenance Program (Respect, Affection, Romance, Humor):

Respect - Say no to her once in a while and stand your ground.

Affection - This only applies to when she has 90 - 100% interest level. Quietly hold her in your arms for 10 seconds, stare into her eyes, act like you enjoy it, no kissing, when meeting her and and departing.

Romance - Do something special or buy her a small gift every few weeks.

Humor - Diffuse direct questions with humor like Jim Carrey. No matter what she asks, or how many times she nags you, she'll only get a funny answer. Keep it light and funny always (no religion, no politics, no sex, no negatives, no putdowns).

Male Strength Qualities:

Confidence (Self-Confidence, Self-Esteem) - Know all of the system principles. Humor is one way to show confidence. She has to know where the line is drawn where you will walk without you telling her.

Control (Discipline, Patience, Self-Control) - Patience is the key to women. She initiates touching. Practice manners and class always. No public displays of affection (PDA). If another guy checks her out be cool and take it as a compliment.

Challenge - Let her chase you. Only use the phone to setup a date. No social networks or instant messaging. Be honest and closed with personal information. Spoon feed her over a lifetime. Move very slow, stop, backup, this raises interest level. halo0073 - May 27, 2013, 12:12 am As a female who has used mones myself and also had them used on me, I would suggest Certo. Heavy duty sexuals are going to push her away. lifeisgood7 - May 27, 2013, 1:03 am what did you experience when exposed to certo?

KIMBA - May 27, 2013, 6:17 am (05-26-2013 7:12 PM)halo0073 Wrote:  As a female who has used mones myself and also had them used on me, I would suggest Certo. Heavy duty sexuals are going to push her away. Halo, I would LOVE your thoughts on everything your hubby wears around you. Would be a very enlightening experience. I know, I am asking for a lot. I guess I will start by reading as many posts of your I can.

Thank you for consistently chiming in on the male section, we need your guidance.

Sptenn - May 27, 2013, 5:50 pm (05-26-2013 7:12 PM)halo0073 Wrote:  As a female who has used mones myself and also had them used on me, I would suggest Certo. Heavy duty sexuals are going to push her away. Since I did not I decided between cohesion or certo, I decided to buy both.

Thanks to all for the help. alphavitea - May 27, 2013, 6:05 pm Smart move dude. Bother are heavy bonding blends. Certo will hit harder and faster. Use it sparingly cuz this stuff have me bad needy depression at overdose. Start with one spray.

Cohesion is much easier to use more of but Iax out mynusage at two drops and never near tha face always on the hands. Actually apraynthe certo on the BACK ofnyour neck def not the front.

Great choices if you want to spark emotional connection and a crush feeling.

This seems to be the best course for you but don't forget to add some alpha stuff once in while. ppHamelin - May 29, 2013, 1:02 am Halo, how does certo make you feel? I never quite figure the effect out

(05-26-2013 7:12 PM)halo0073 Wrote:  As a female who has used mones myself and also had them used on me, I would suggest Certo. Heavy duty sexuals are going to push her away.

Jojje - June 8, 2013, 12:15 am I was thinking that Xist might be a nice fit for a reset and slow movement back to a great relationship.

Sptenn - June 10, 2013, 10:40 am I have received my bottle of CERTO USCENTED. It has very bad smell. Worse than men gym. I for 4 days trying certo and not even know how, nor that, nor the extent to mix and eliminate the odor.

self effects: I'm very tired and wanting to sleep at any time. My ex-wife also see her very tired since I use Certo.

They recommend me to mix with Certo?. I do not want to smell a lot like perfume. I just Certo at home with my ex-wife and I do not want to smell like a bitch.

For self-effect of fatigue and sleep, that the combination of products to not feel tired and beta? 2 certo + 1 LADYKILLER HAX is good? PHEROMONE COMPOSITION LADYKILLER (DOSE):

Androstadienone, Androstenone (x2), alpha-Androstenol, beta-Androstenol, Androsterone, Epiandrosterone, Androstanone, Androstadienol, Estratetraenol, 7-keto DHEA, Copulins

My Products: Hax: HolyGrail, Ladykiller, C4 Extreme Alpha Dream: Certo Phiero: Phiero Premium sityslicker1 - June 10, 2013, 11:43 am Certo has Androstadienone listed as its first ingredient, I think. This usually means that it has the more mcg's of any other phermone in that blend. One of Androstadienone side effects on males is fatigue. Try applying it behind the ears away from the nose, if your not already doing this.

Sptenn - June 10, 2013, 4:57 pm Yes. I put CERTO behind the ears. I have only tired. I have no depression.

what really worries me is the bad smell of unscented product. How to remove? sityslicker1 - June 10, 2013, 8:00 pm I don't think you can, but you can mask it some with a cover. Try applying some cologne behind the ears and letting it dry and then applying certo right on top. OR if you decide to add in lady killer with it, apply that first behind the ear let it dry and then apply certo on top.

Wanghan - June 11, 2013, 6:17 pm I used to think I had alpha male qualities until I started reading. I realized nearly every one of us has beta qualities NATURALLY. Now i get respect and treated more like an alpha EVEN WHEN I`M NOT WEARING PHEROMONES. Very few people turn out alpha all by themselves. So change the inside and the outside together for the best results, but the knowledge on how an alpha operates is much more important. You are likely incongruent with any pheremones you wear until you gain this knowledge. Be single, and have fun doing it. Remind yourself what women love about you. Don't be afraid to flirt often and heavily with any woman you want to flirt with. Respect yourself first, and forget about impressing the x. I know you are probably thinking that is very hard to do. But putting that woman or any woman out of your mind routinely is part of the alpha mind set. Your life is about you, and she ought to feel it is a privelage to be with you. okyoureabeast - June 12, 2013, 5:24 pm (06-11-2013 1:17 PM)Wanghan Wrote:  I used to think I had alpha male qualities until I started reading. I realized nearly every one of us has beta qualities NATURALLY. Now i get respect and treated more like an alpha EVEN WHEN I`M NOT WEARING PHEROMONES. Very few people turn out alpha all by themselves. So change the inside and the outside together for the best results, but the knowledge on how an alpha operates is much more important. You are likely incongruent with any pheremones you wear until you gain this knowledge. Be single, and have fun doing it. Remind yourself what women love about you. Don't be afraid to flirt often and heavily with any woman you want to flirt with. Respect yourself first, and forget about impressing the x. I know you are probably thinking that is very hard to do. But putting that woman or any woman out of your mind routinely is part of the alpha mind set. Your life is about you, and she ought to feel it is a privelage to be with you.

Very true.

Stop taking her crap and start teasing her. The relationship is boring.

The best way to get the "DGAF" attitude back for me was getting a little harem of girls. That was fun. Once I got it back, I got my ex back.

You can never "be alpha" and not have to work to keep it. That is the price we men pay. We constantly have to better ourselves to keep our property, women, and happiness.

Best of luck to you my friend!

Luis - July 15, 2013, 10:31 am I was wondering how everything worked out for you

Sptenn - July 15, 2013, 5:23 pm I've taken the good advice. During these weeks I dedicate myself. rediscovering my alpha status. Certo testing has not been very effective. My ex-wife is very relaxed with me, but not to the point of launching into my arms. This will be a very tough job. Now we have to leave our home for two months, give her that freedom, and recover and grow my alpha state. With other women, without I looking, I perceive many longing looks. I take the opportunity to train myself face to face with a woman. ;)

Ozee - July 16, 2013, 11:54 pm Good luck to you. Would love to know how it worked out for you. After all, we were all here mostly for happiness and self improvement is necessary to achieve that goal.