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i [H.A.S.C. No. 110–118] IRREGULAR WARFARE AND STABILITY OPERATIONS: APPROACHES TO INTER- AGENCY INTEGRATION JOINT HEARING BEFORE THE OVERSIGHT AND INVESTIGATIONS SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING JOINTLY WITH TERRORISM AND UNCONVENTIONAL THREATS AND CAPABILITIES SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED TENTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION HEARING HELD FEBRUARY 26, 2008 U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 43–782 WASHINGTON : 2009 For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512–1800; DC area (202) 512–1800 Fax: (202) 512–2104 Mail: Stop IDCC, Washington, DC 20402–0001 VerDate Nov 24 2008 08:28 Apr 02, 2009 Jkt 043782 PO 00000 Frm 00001 Fmt 5012 Sfmt 5012 C:\DOCS\110-118\43782.TXT HARM2 PsN: MARY Congress.#13 OVERSIGHT AND INVESTIGATIONS SUBCOMMITTEE VIC SNYDER, Arkansas, Chairman JOHN SPRATT, South Carolina W. TODD AKIN, Missouri LORETTA SANCHEZ, California ROSCOE G. BARTLETT, Maryland ELLEN O. TAUSCHER, California WALTER B. JONES, North Carolina ROBERT ANDREWS, New Jersey JEFF MILLER, Florida SUSAN A. DAVIS, California PHIL GINGREY, Georgia JIM COOPER, Tennessee K. MICHAEL CONAWAY, Texas HANK JOHNSON, Georgia GEOFF DAVIS, Kentucky JOE SESTAK, Pennsylvania SUZANNE MCKENNA, Professional Staff Member THOMAS HAWLEY, Professional Staff Member ROGER ZAKHEIM, Professional Staff Member SASHA ROGERS, Research Assistant TERRORISM, UNCONVENTIONAL THREATS AND CAPABILITIES SUBCOMMITTEE ADAM SMITH, Washington, Chairman MIKE MCINTYRE, North Carolina MAC THORNBERRY, Texas ROBERT ANDREWS, New Jersey ROBIN HAYES, North Carolina JIM COOPER, Tennessee KEN CALVERT, California JIM MARSHALL, Georgia JOHN KLINE, Minnesota MARK UDALL, Colorado THELMA DRAKE, Virginia BRAD ELLSWORTH, Indiana K. MICHAEL CONAWAY, Texas KIRSTEN GILLIBRAND, New York JIM SAXTON, New Jersey KATHY CASTOR, Florida ERYN ROBINSON, Professional Staff Member ALEX KUGAJEVSKY, Professional Staff Member ANDREW TABLER, Staff Assistant (II) VerDate Nov 24 2008 08:28 Apr 02, 2009 Jkt 043782 PO 00000 Frm 00002 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 C:\DOCS\110-118\43782.TXT HARM2 PsN: MARY C O N T E N T S CHRONOLOGICAL LIST OF HEARINGS 2008 Page HEARING: Tuesday, February 26, 2008, Irregular Warfare and Stability Operations: Approaches to Interagency Integration .............................................................. 1 APPENDIX: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 ................................................................................... 37 TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 26, 2008 IRREGULAR WARFARE AND STABILITY OPERATIONS: APPROACHES TO INTERAGENCY INTEGRATION STATEMENTS PRESENTED BY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS Akin, Hon. W. Todd, a Representative from Missouri, Ranking Member, Over- sight and Investigations Subcommittee ............................................................. 3 Smith, Hon. Adam, a Representative from Washington, Chairman, Terrorism and Unconventional Threats and Capabilities Subcommittee ......................... 2 Snyder, Hon. Vic, Representative from Arkansas, Chairman, Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee .............................................................................. 1 Thornberry, Hon. Mac, a Representative from Texas, Ranking Member, Ter- rorism and Unconventional Threats and Capabilities Subcommittee ............. 2 WITNESSES Davenport, Rear Adm. Dan, U.S. Navy, Director, Joint Concept Development and Experimentation Directorate (J–9), U.S. Joint Forces Command ............ 19 Herbst, Ambassador John, Coordinator for Reconstruction and Stabilization, U.S. Department of State .................................................................................... 5 Holmes, Brig. Gen. Robert H., U.S. Air Force, Deputy Director of Operations, U.S. Central Command ........................................................................................ 21 Kearney, Lt. Gen. Frank, U.S. Army, Deputy Commander, U.S. Special Oper- ations Command .................................................................................................. 22 Osborne, Col. Joseph E., U.S. Army, Director, Irregular Warfare Directorate (J–10), U.S. Special Operations Command ........................................................ 24 Vickers, Michael, Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations/Low Intensity Conflict and Interdependent Capabilities, U.S. Department of De- fense ...................................................................................................................... 4 APPENDIX PREPARED STATEMENTS: Akin, Hon. W. Todd .......................................................................................... 45 Davenport, Rear Adm. Dan ............................................................................. 61 Herbst, Ambassador John ................................................................................ 54 Holmes, Brig. Gen. Robert H. .......................................................................... 72 Osborne, Col. Joseph E. ................................................................................... 79 Smith, Hon. Adam ............................................................................................ 44 Snyder, Hon. Vic ............................................................................................... 41 (III) VerDate Nov 24 2008 08:28 Apr 02, 2009 Jkt 043782 PO 00000 Frm 00003 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 C:\DOCS\110-118\43782.TXT HARM2 PsN: MARY IV Page PREPARED STATEMENTS—Continued Thornberry, Hon. Mac ...................................................................................... 47 Vickers, Michael ............................................................................................... 48 DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED FOR THE RECORD: [There were no Documents submitted.] QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS SUBMITTED FOR THE RECORD: Mrs. Davis of California ................................................................................... 103 Mrs. Drake ........................................................................................................ 104 Mr. Marshall ..................................................................................................... 100 Dr. Snyder ......................................................................................................... 91 VerDate Nov 24 2008 08:28 Apr 02, 2009 Jkt 043782 PO 00000 Frm 00004 Fmt 5904 Sfmt 5904 C:\DOCS\110-118\43782.TXT HARM2 PsN: MARY IRREGULAR WARFARE AND STABILITY OPERATIONS: APPROACHES TO INTERAGENCY INTEGRATION HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES, OVERSIGHT AND INVESTIGATIONS SUB- COMMITTEE, MEETING JOINTLY WITH TERRORISM AND UNCONVENTIONAL THREATS AND CAPABILITIES SUB- COMMITTEE, Washington, DC, Tuesday, February 26, 2008. The subcommittees met, pursuant to call, at 2:06 p.m., in room 2118, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Vic Snyder (chairman of the Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations) presiding. OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. VIC SNYDER, A REPRESENTA- TIVE FROM ARKANSAS, CHAIRMAN, OVERSIGHT AND INVES- TIGATIONS SUBCOMMITTEE Dr. SNYDER. The hearing will come to order. As you know, this is a joint hearing that we are having this afternoon between the Subcommittee on Oversight and Investiga- tions of which I am the subcommittee Chair and Mr. Akin is the ranking member and the Subcommittee on Terrorism, Unconven- tional Threats, and Capabilities of which Mr. Adam Smith is the chairman and Mr. Thornberry is the ranking. If you have any curiosity about why I am sitting here and Mr. Smith is sitting there, it is because, at some point about 12 years ago, there was a flip of the coin that determined I had overwhelm- ingly more senior status compared to him, even though the election was the same exact date. But, actually, it is because he is in the West Coast time zone, and the election in Arkansas closed in 1996 slightly before the one in Washington State. You know, we have a big Presidential campaign going on right now, and all of us have followed this with some interest. I have not heard the phrases ‘‘Joint Interagency Coordination Group,’’ ‘‘Effects Synchronization Committee,’’ or ‘‘Irregular Warfare Fusion Center’’ come up at any of the debates or any of the speeches of any of our candidates, and yet we are all here today because we think this stuff is pretty important. We think it has a lot to do on some of the good things that have happened in our national security in the past and some of the better things we hope to happen in the future as we get better and better at these interagency relationships, and I, frankly, think we have quite a ways to go. So that is why we are here today. And we wanted to welcome you, and I think that is all I will say at this point, other than I want to give you fair warning we do have votes coming up probably in the 3:00–3:30 range. I would en- courage all our witnesses to summarize your opening statements. (1) VerDate Nov 24 2008 08:28 Apr 02, 2009 Jkt 043782 PO 00000 Frm 00005 Fmt 6633 Sfmt 6633 C:\DOCS\110-118\43782.TXT HARM2 PsN: MARY 2 You need to tell us whatever you think you need to tell us, but I would err on the side of brevity, and I personally also would appre- ciate it if you avoided acronyms. There was a fairly impressive dis- play of acronyms in the written statements. I considered putting up a jar that you would have to throw a dollar in the pot every time you used an acronym. Now this is risky for some of you because I suspect some of you have an acronym that you do not know what it stands for, but that will be fun, too. [The prepared statement of Dr. Snyder