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Parliamentary Debates (Hansard) Wednesday Volume 568 16 October 2013 No. 56 HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD) Wednesday 16 October 2013 £5·00 © Parliamentary Copyright House of Commons 2013 This publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Open Parliament licence, which is published at www.parliament.uk/site-information/copyright/. 721 16 OCTOBER 2013 722 Secretary of State comment on information I have House of Commons received about a fixed committee that existed within the republican movement in 2000, which dealt with almost Wednesday 16 October 2013 100 sex abuse victims and in which some very prominent republicans were involved, and will she join me in calling for those people to come forward and help those The House met at half-past Eleven o’clock many innocent victims deal with the nightmare they are still dealing with 13 years on? PRAYERS Mrs Villiers: The hon. Gentleman raises some very grave matters, and I would certainly encourage anyone [MR SPEAKER in the Chair] who has been the victim of abuse to approach the police with that information, and anyone who has knowledge of such cases to do so too. It is obviously crucial that this scourge to society is eliminated and that the voluntary Oral Answers to Questions sector, the police and the Government give all the support possible to victims of abuse. Ms Margaret Ritchie (South Down) (SDLP): The NORTHERN IRELAND Secretary of State rightly recognises the role of the voluntary sector in helping victims, but does she recognise The Secretary of State was asked— that the ludicrous restrictions in the Government’s lobbying Bill will prevent these very groups from carrying out Voluntary Sector important advocacy work on behalf of victims and others because the Government say that they will not be 1. David Mowat (Warrington South) (Con): What allowed to engage with politicians in the year up to a assessment her Department has made of the role of the general election? Will she ask her colleagues to reconsider voluntary sector in dealing with the legacy of the past. this aspect of the lobbying Bill? [900418] Mrs Villiers: I think I can provide the hon. Lady with The Secretary of State for Northern Ireland (Mrs Theresa some reassurance. The lobbying Bill will continue to Villiers): I begin, Mr Speaker, by offering my apologies permit the voluntary sector to campaign on general for the absence of the Minister of State, Northern issues, but if a voluntary organisation seeks to campaign Ireland Office, my right hon. Friend the Member for for particular candidates in a general election, it will be South Leicestershire (Mr Robathan). He is recovering asked to account for its finances and spending and will from an operation and looks forward to returning to the be subject to limits. I think that that is a fair reform. House soon. The voluntary sector plays an important role in Lady Hermon (North Down) (Ind): I urge the Secretary supporting those whose lives have been affected by the of State, in dealing with the legacy of the past, to ensure legacy of Northern Ireland’s past. I pay tribute to that the case of my young constituent, Lisa Dorrian, is organisations such as Wave and the Warrington Peace not forgotten. She was murdered and then disappeared Centre, which do such valuable work. by those with loyalist paramilitary connections eight years ago. Her body has never been recovered, her David Mowat: The Secretary of State will be aware family need closure and she certainly needs a Christian that nearly 20% of the victims of the troubles reside on burial. the UK mainland, whereas funding is restricted largely to the island of Ireland. For example, the Peace Centre, Mrs Villiers: The hon. Lady is right to raise one of based in Warrington, has no access either to EU PEACE the greatest tragedies of the troubles: people lost their III funding or UK funding. Are there any plans to lives, and some families still do not know what happened review the criteria by which this works? to their loved ones and still have no body to bury and no funeral to attend. It is a continuing tragedy, and the Mrs Villiers: I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his Government are very supportive of all efforts to try to question. I very much enjoyed my visit to the Warrington locate them and get answers for victims, including her Peace Centre, which does a fantastic job. I have heard constituents. directly from it about its concerns regarding its inability to access the funding that supports victims in Northern National Crime Agency Ireland. I know that is a concern for it, but it is for the Northern Ireland Executive to decide whether they 2. Paul Goggins (Wythenshawe and Sale East) (Lab): open up those funds to any organisations in Great What recent discussions she has had with the Justice Britain and outside Northern Ireland. However, I welcome Minister of the Northern Ireland Executive on the the work that the Warrington Peace Centre does for the remit of the National Crime Agency in Northern UK Government on the Home Office’s Prevent scheme Ireland. [900419] to counter radicalisation. The Secretary of State for Northern Ireland (Mrs Theresa Mr Gregory Campbell (East Londonderry) (DUP): Villiers): My most recent discussion with the Justice The voluntary sector had an unfair burden in the past, Minister concerning the remit of the National Crime particularly in dealing with sex abuse victims. Will the Agency took place on 9 October. The NCA will provide 723 Oral Answers16 OCTOBER 2013 Oral Answers 724 support and expertise to partners in Northern Ireland assist the fight against serious crime in Northern Ireland, in a number of areas. We are keen to extend its remit to and I hope that the current discussions result in an cover crime falling within devolved responsibilities, if agreement on these matters. agreement can be reached on this within the Northern Ireland Executive. Mr Dodds: Does the Secretary of State agree with the assessment of the Northern Ireland Justice Minister—who Paul Goggins: Does the Secretary of State agree with has been quite unequivocal in his denunciation of the my reading of yesterday’s debate in the Assembly that current situation—in which he said: there is a willingness to explore a way forward on this “We are effectively asking some law enforcement agencies to issue, and will she therefore facilitate urgent discussions operate with one arm tied behind their backs”? between Home Office Ministers, the Justice Minister and the political parties in Northern Ireland to ensure This is an outrageous situation that can be of benefit that the NCA, with proper accountability and in partnership only to drug smugglers, human traffickers, cyber-criminals, with the Police Service of Northern Ireland, can get on fuel launderers and all the rest. Apart from convening and do its job properly? talks, can the Secretary of State tell us what the Government will do to ensure that the citizens and taxpayers of Northern Ireland are not subject to this criminal empire Mrs Villiers: I can give the right hon. Gentleman that building? undertaking. He assesses the current situation correctly. There is a genuine willingness to reach a solution across the political parties in Northern Ireland. Further discussions Mrs Villiers: A huge amount of work has been done with the Justice Minister and Home Office Ministers to provide the reassurance that Northern Ireland political would be a good idea, and I will try to facilitate them as parties have asked for on consistency with the police soon as possible. and justice settlement. Productive work has also been done between the Home Office and the Justice Minister Mark Durkan (Foyle) (SDLP): I thank the Secretary on transitional arrangements—for example, on the cases of State for acknowledging the progress on understandings that SOCA had taken on that can be continued by the about accountability and primacy that have affected NCA within the provisions for the current purposes. We this issue, but will she also address the concerns that we will continue to work hard to make the case for the have put to her directly about MI5 potentially using and NCA’s full operation in Northern Ireland as a potent abusing the future role of the NCA—as it abused the fighting force to bring to justice those responsible for role of the Serious Organised Crime Agency—in nefarious organised crime and other serious criminal activities. ways and ways that have affected the performance and perception of the PSNI? Mr Peter Hain (Neath) (Lab): I strongly support the Secretary of State’s efforts to persuade all those involved, Mrs Villiers: The Home Secretary has always been including in her discussions with the parties in Northern clear that she will make every effort to ensure that the Ireland, to ensure that the remit of the National Crime NCA’s role in Northern Ireland is completely consistent Agency is extended. Whatever the circumstances with the devolved settlement on policing and justice and surrounding the hesitancy about that from Belfast so the primacy of the Chief Constable. She has made a far, everybody will want to see every possible effort number of concessions along those lines to provide that made to tackle these issues—particularly after two assurance, and she and her colleagues at the Home executions attributed to dissident republicans last week Office are keen to continue the discussion on how to and 12 security threats recently—and she ought to provide the reassurance asked for by the Social Democratic make sure that happens. and Labour party and others in Northern Ireland.
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