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THE SENATE OF DEBATES

OFFICIAL REPORT

Thursday, the 3 rd May, 2012 (81 st Session) Volume V, No.03 (Nos. )

CONTENTS

Pages 1. Recitation from the Holy Quran……………………… 2. Questions and Answers……………………………… 3. Leave of Absence 4. Withdrawal of the Anti-Terrorism (Amendment), Bill, 2010 5. Discussion on Presidential Address…………………

Printed and Published by the Senate Secretariat, .

Volume-V SP-V(02)/2012 No.02 12 SENATE DEBATES Thursday, the 3 rd May, 2012

The Senate of Pakistan met in the Senate Hall (Parliament House) Islamabad, at twenty nine minutes past five in the evening with Mr. Chairman (Syed Nayyer Hussain

Bokhari) in the Chair.

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Recitation from the Holy Quran

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Questions and Answers

j > Q Mr. Chairman: o’K` ;] DBCO h ; ] DB[DB’ £ = We may now take up questions. Question No.

16, Begum Najma Hameed. Not present. Next Question No. 17, Begum Najma Hameed.

Not present. Next Question No. 18, Begum Najma Hameed. Again not present. Next

Question No. 19, Mrs. Nuzhat Sadiq, She is not present also. Next Question No. 20, Mr.

Talha Mahmood. Not present. Next Question No. 21, Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussasin

Mashhadi.

Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussasin Mashhadi: Mr. Chairman! before I read out my question. The last question, reply not received. It is bad enough the member being present but also the Ministry has not bothered to even collect the information asked for. Itãs not the honourable Minister who has to personally do it, itãs these subordinates.

Now if the subordinates are incapable of even answering a question by the Upper House of Parliament, by the Parliament itself, itãs a very bad reflection on the Ministry. Sir, kindly instruct them that they should at least have the reply ready. If the honourable member had been present then it would be a very sorry state of affairs that no reply had been received.

Mr. Chairman: Secretariat has placed before me today right now, request from the Railwayãs Minister. The Minster is not in the country, he has gone abroad, it may be deferred, at the same time I would see that this question was received on 21 st of March,

2012.

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Mr. Chairman: Yes, Mashhadi sahib .

Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussasin Mashhadi: Thank you sir, because it reflects on the honour and the dignity of the House, thatãs why I have pointed out.

Question No. 21.

Mr. Chairman: Answer taken as read.

Q. No. 21.

Mr. Chairman: Any supplementary? Yes, Mashhadi sahib.

Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussasin Mashhadi: Sir, the honourable

Minister has answered my questions but looking at the table which he has given me. The

Province of has only been given 306 vacancies to Rural and Urban and most of those vacancies are of Guards, that is 95 and 126. They have been very kind up to

ASIãs, they have given us 20 odd whereas has been given 749 because they are more beautiful than the people of Sindh I suppose or they got wings on them or something that they get special treatment. However, that is for the Minister to answer.

Sir, my question is that in the higher posts or even in the middle posts canãt they give us any post, after all people of Sindh are not uneducated. People are Sindh are not useless, we have produced Quaid-i-Azam , we have produced Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto shaheed, we have produced sahiba Shaheed , we have produced some of the greatest brains of Pakistan, some of the top lawyers, some of the top politicians and the most

3 academic and the learned people of Pakistan have been produced by the Province of

Sindh, we are proud of this fact. We have a lot of educated youth who are now getting frustrated because they are not getting employments due to them.

The other point, if the honourable Minister would like to consider that out of 1525 people have been employed, he has given in writing that only 107 are on merit. I think itãs a very bad state of affairs for this great nation of ours that only 107 people are appointed on merit and the rest are appointed on chits coming from the Prime Minsterãs

House and Presidentãs House. Thank you very much Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Chairman: Minister for Defence.

Ch. Ahmed Mukhtar: Thank you Mr. Chairman. I agree with the honourable

Senator that more posts have been given to people who are less educated, although there are educated people in the south of Pakistan. This is only due to the reason that in the last two, three years, the people were recruited through Public Service Commission and over there the education standard is definitely higher than metric or F.A from an ordinary institution. We are trying our best to normalize the job situation. We have just once again advertised in the newspapers that there are vacancies for ASIãs. As for as the name of

Guard is concerned, I have told them that this name should be changed with a respectable name. They should be called Constable or something respectable. So that people do not take them back to the older centuries. I am sure that the honourable

Senator would agree with me that finding educated people for certain posts where there is a quota system, it gets difficult. Like if you go in the Rural areas of Punjab, as well as

KPK and Gulgit Baltistan, so there, the number of educated people will definitely be less and they may not come in the quota system or they may not come in the merit system.

4 So, we are trying to evolve working system where these people are respectfully given

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Chaudhry Ahmed Mukhtar (Federal Minister for Defence): (Continued) The number

of educated people will definitely be less and they may not come in the quota system or

they may not come in the merit system. So, we are trying to evolve a working system

where these people are respectfully given better posts and they can live a better life.

Thank you.

Mr. Chairman: Mr. Farhatullah Babar.

Senator Farhatullah Babar: With reference to the same question, the recruitments

made in the ASF since March 2008, will the honourable Minister be able to comment on

the column of Gilgit Baltistan and FATA. We do not know as to what is the break-up of

appointments made from people belonging to Gilgit Baltistan and the appointments given to

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Mr. Chairman: Minister for Defence.

5 Chaudhry Ahmed Mukhtar: I will go back to the records and find out from there

the answers to his query. Unfortunately, I do not have it with me. So, I will need a fresh question or some extra time to fill in the details.

Mr. Chairman: Probably, the Establishment Division has to work on it. What I feel is that the Establishment Division should bifurcate Gilgit Baltistan and FATA and then they should allocate specific quotas for both the areas. They have clubbed both of these things.

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Mr. Chairman: Zahid Khan Sahib, let me examine the position of the previous

committee as to how can we reconstitute that committee. Let me examine that.

Next question Col. Tahir Mashhadi.

Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Thank you Sir. Actually, you were

Chairman of that special committee and your services to that committee were remarkable.

You did a great deal of work very courageously and very effectively.

Sir, most of the trouble we are facing for the last three days in this new session, you have given decisions in that committee meeting. Now those decisions, orders and instructions passed by a committee to a Ministry are to be complied with within two months. It is clearly written in the rules; every Ministry will comply with orders of

Parliament or its committees thereof. So, that is very clear that they are not obeying orders of Parliament. They have to obey your orders given as Chairman of that committee.

Now, if they do not comply with those orders, they have to give in writing to the Senate

7 Secretariat as to why they are not complying. There is no reason on earth that they

should not be complying to those orders.

Sir, I would request you to refer to your standing instructions, orders and directions

given as Chairman of that special committee on the job quotas. We try to do justice to

the smaller provinces. You did a lot of remarkable work. It is all going waste if they are

not going to listen or if they are not going to comply with the orders given by that

committee. That committee has worked very hard. That committee went into every single

department, even the Sui Gas. Yesterday, we had gone through them also. So, please

direct the ministries that orders given by the committee have to be complied with. If the

ministry cannot comply with them, they have to give it to you in writing. Thank you sir.

Mr. Chairman: Thank you. Next question, Mr. Talha Mahmood.

Question No.22

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Mr. Chairman: Minister for Information and Broadcasting.

(Minister for Information and Broadcasting was not present in the House)

Mr. Chairman: Bader Sahib, who would reply on behalf of Information Ministry?

Senator Muhammad Jahangir Bader: Sir, I have been told that Information Minister

is coming. So, I am waiting for him.

Mr. Chairman: He is not in the House. Business is in process. Where is he?

Kindly call him.

8 Senator Muhammad Jahangir Bader: Mr. Chairman, you are right. Absolutely you

are right. I was informed about him.

Mr. Chairman: But we cannot wait for the Minister.

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Mr. Chairman: Minister for Information and Broadcasting.

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10 Mr. Chairman: As requested by the Minister concerned this question is deferred for

next rota day. Prof. Sajid Mir Sahib.

Senator Prof. Sajid Mir: Mr. Chairman, After the recent short order by the Supreme

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Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Zahid Khan.

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Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Thank you very much., Mr.

Chairman! Just before that if I can have thirty seconds I would like to add my voice to my

colleagues.

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Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Sir, this upper house has a great

deal of honour, dignity and prestige.

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Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Sir, others have spoken, the other

coalition partners have spoken and it is the right of my party to also speak when another

coalition partner speaks and when the government speaks because we are member of the

coalition but we are an independent political party having our own ideology, our own

principles and our own politics and we would just like to clarify what is asked on this

behavior of the opposition. I will just take one minute sir.

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Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Thank you very much sir. Actually

I add my voice to my colleague Senator Zahid Khan who has said and I absolutely agree with him.

The opposition is a government in waiting. It is the right of the opposition to oppose the government in any way whichever they think, it is not matter if they remain within the democratic norms.

This House is the upper house of the Parliament. The honour, dignity and prestige of this House is very dear to all its members, specially the opposition. This is a house where the opposition has a chance of expressing themselves. My request to the honorable opposition is that we may not agree with a single word they say but we will protect their right with our lives. So, they should use this opportunity and they should sit with us and give their point of view in the proper way under your guidance with your permission and you are very fair to everyone. You give everybody an opportunity. So, this type of behavior will only mar the proceedings of this House and bring a bad atmosphere which has never prevailed in the upper house. We have a very good atmosphere of friendship, of reconciliation, of cooperation, of consensus and that should continue. Thank you very much.

Mr. Chairman: Next question is your question. Answer taken as read, any supplementary?

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Mr. Chairman: It stands corrected now. That is a correction on behalf of Defence

Minister. It is a printing mistake. Any supplementary?

Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: Yes, please sir, I like to ask the honourable minister that although the Hajj flights earn a revenue. Thanks God but he has replied that as far as the Umra flights are concerned in 2010, 119 million loss and in

2011, 127 million loss. Would the honourable Minister kindly explain to me when everybody in Pakistan wants to perform Umra, when PIA is the only airline in the world which has passengers but does not have the planes to carry those passengers. When they raise the Hajj fares and the Umra fares to Saudi Arabia just before the Hajj, even then there were people standing in long queues to sit in those planes. How this loss incurred? What is wrong, what it is wrong with the management, with the marketing or with something else, are they carrying a fuel gushers and the planes that are being used there, are old vintage planes. The average age of the PIA flight is 24, 25 years old. So, they are death traps. Is the honourable Minister going to keep putting our hajjis and umra performers into these death traps in sending them to Saudi Arabia in the next season, three hundred and ten slots.

Mr. Chairman: Kindly formulate the question.

Senator Col. (R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi: I hope not and when is he going to get new planes, new aircrafts for PIA to bring this Pakistan flag carriers. The respect of

Pakistan flies all over the world with PIA because the PIA flag is on it. So, when the

Pakistan flag is on it, so when is he going to get these new aircrafts and when are we

17 going to finally hear the PIA. Today, I think they have gone 90 billion rupees as loss. It is in the newspapers that it is in the 90 billion in loss. So, when is this loss going to stop and when are we going to have a properly run airline? Thank you sir.

Mr. Chairman: There are volleys of questions, Defence Minister.

Ch. Ahmed Mukhtar: Thank you very much, Chairman Sahib. I am sure the honourable minister is as concerned as the other members of the house regarding PIA not earning profits. We have tried and we have come to this conclusion that unless we do not put a new aircrafts, we will not be able to make money. The reasons are basically two.

One of the reason is that old aircrafts were an average and we have to spend about 18% only on the maintenance cost on the aircrafts and as far as the fuel is concerned, the fuel cost goes upto 25% more than the average in the new aircrafts. So, if we take these new aircrafts and change them with the old ones I am sure that we will do much better. The amount of 90 billion as loss which my honourable member was talking to, is accumulated loss of previous years. In this loss we have also include a loss of 35 billion rupees due to exchange, exchange rate which was beyond our means but still I agree with the honourable member that the management has to put an extra to bring this airline out of problem. This is our airline and we should leave no stone unturned to put this airline on the right track. Thank you.

Mr. Chairman: Syed Muzaffar Hussain Shah.

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Mr. Chairman: Syed Muzafar Hussain Shah.

Senator Syed Muzafar Hussain Shah: Will the honourable Minister for Defence be pleased to state that during the Hajj flights, was PIA the only airline which was allowed to

18 operate Hajj flights or there were other airlines also which were allowed to operate on the

Hajj route and the criteria for airlines basically to operate on the Hajj flights and connected with the earlier statement I would only respectfully state that the honourable Minister for

Defence has not been able to state the reasons why there was a profit basically on Hajj flights but there was a loss in relation to the Umrah flights. At least there should be a categorical statement stating the reasons as to why the losses were incurred basically insofar as the Umrah flights are concerned and what are the remedial measures that the

Ministry of Defence is taking to overcome these losses in the years ahead, for example, this year and in the next financial year what efforts are being made and what concrete measures are being taken to overcome these losses. Thank you, sir.

Mr. Chairman: Minister concerned.

Ch. Ahmed Mukhtar: Sir, number one, I would like to clarify one thing that again in question No. 23, in one of the answers we have mentioned that PIAC have earned a revenue amounting to PKR 8.417 million. This has been corrected and it stands as billion and the earning of the revenue is not there because it is only the profit which you earned would become part of the revenue also. And in this particular case we have lost money. It was mainly, as I mentioned, the airline was caught in the spiral of price increases in the fuel. The fuel price increased in one year was 54% and this was such a heavy increase at the vehicle as the airline could not afford it. As far as the other airlines are concerned like Shaheen and air blue; they were also given the seats to fly to Saudi but they refused too and they thought that it was not economical for them. For us, it is a must that we must fly these flights because we have to carry all the Hajjis from Pakistan to the holy land. We cannot make any mistake in that. We have to buy the fuel at the right time to make money, the forecasting of the prices of fuel which is again a very big technical field

19 and we donãt have experts of fuel. So, we follow various other airlines and we have to try

to keep the prices of petroleum matter at a federal level where it was in the last year and

this year also. So, all said and done we have not done a good job because we have lost

money in it and I am sure that we are not trying to get some means to buy some

aircrafts or lease some aircrafts so that the losses which we are incurring, they are

minimized. Thank you.

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The day will come at a much faster pace and the whole thing will collapse. We are trying

our best

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petroleum will come down but at the end of the year we found out that that was a wrong

policy and we should have pushed the prices on fortnightly basis and we would have

saved money in that. So, all kind of measures are being done to save this airline and to

make this airline go profitable.

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Give the directions to the concerned Ministry, we must have the reply by the next Rota

day. Next question Mr. Heman Dass.

Senator Heman Dass: Thank you Mr. Chairman. My question number is 25.

[Q. No. 25]

Mr. Chairman: Any supplementary?

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Mr. Chairman: Minister for Defence.

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Part one of the honourable memberãs question is concerned that is the quota. I would like

to assure him that we are trying our best to maintain the quota according to the rules and

regulations. The problems is, at the time when jobs are advertised people donãt participate

in that and we must also realize that whenever jobs are advertised people from different areas and from backward areas also apply for it and they donãt, at the end of the day,

qualify and meet the standards. We have actually lowered the standards of some high

category jobs. So that people from backward areas and people from Balochistan, KPK and

from Gilgit Baltistan should take part in these things and they should become the members

of the team and together we will sail, if we keep asking questions and criticizing each

other only on the basis of quota, I donãt think we will reach any goal which you want to.

So, our efforts are that there should be very little quota system. It is only in the initial

stages when we are hiring people we work on the quota system, once the people are

hired and they are on the jobs then it is only based on the merit or on the hard works

they put in that they are getting postings abroad. As I have said earlier that we are trying

our best to ensure that every Province gets it share and all Pakistanis get their share.

Mr. Chairman: Senator Haji Adeel Sahib .

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that we can even then have much better and bigger discussions.

24 e O M Œ j O previously there was a committee and I was heading that B;c@ BtDB˘:K L ; d f : CK g ƒ•IK c BšG= I=j ? ? Œ Œ O P y y y MI{ P O FBBEQm BE } w FBA;G^ v@IK@ UBƒ•IK K BYÐK}î BtGc Ì c B:º L FK } R B;BtDBUVDBc @ committee. we are going to reconstitute that committee and all these issues of quota would be referred to that committee. Let me constitute that committee again then we will refer all these things to that committee. Next question Farhatullah Babar.

Senator Farhatullah Babar: Mr. Chairman, the supplementary is that I was going to ask that has already been asked by Senator Zahid Khan and alsoÉÉ

Mr. Chairman: Mr. Farhatullah three supplementary questions were already taken up, there is no question now. There is next question in your own name.

Senator Farhatullah Babar: Sir this brings to the focus that a number of questions remain unanswered and some arrangements must be made where by the Ministers are made to give the reply to the questions because non-giving the replies amounts to the wasting of time of the Senate. I would urge you Mr. Chairman, to pass on order in this respect, so that the questions do not go unanswered. Thank you.

Mr. Chairman: Minister of State for Interior would you like to respond on this. This relates to Ministry of Interior question No. 26 and the reply has not been received and no reason has been given for that also. O y ? O O Œ O RROy Mg_? Mg P ?? R O O P y ? O B~lBW„ BXƒ•À B;DBSGFBCw ^ LRK BtDBoEpv B‚K I m BFBšGBrVBEp Q= L v BW BšGBF = L = j BE Q BCUBUl i ¼ ! ŠDVBšG= I=j : ìc DUVBUYèÅ BUGKIMg DBšG= I = j ??O Œ M M P e Á> ¿ oCK Ò B¹R UB;Bc@we will be careful in future, next rota day BFBEpQv BCK N B¸GI¼ BSc DBWFB:BFBBFBE RQvK L ^ {

Mr. Chairman: It is deferred for next rota day but I would like to ask whether any official of the Ministry of Interior is sitting in the galleries? The day one I had told that we will ensure the presence of the officials of the Ministry in the House when the proceedings are taken up. So, I do not see any officials, kindly find it out. Senior officials should be

25 here, he should take notes of all these things and he should ensure in future that the

reply should come to this House. Kindly make it sure next time that they take notes and

they come prepared with the reply to the House at least.

Senator Farhatullah Babar: With respect to this particular question I would like to

emphasize one thing and i.e., ? Œ O O e n Mg Mk Mg y ¿e P ? R M ³ ? O hÁO ? BCK BtDBFQ BGKL €DB•K BG ¡ Bmissing persons BZ= =j BCK BšUFBWGBUVGR^†ÀLLc Q BFBìUGBrUGBW R K = BE|}N B:I{ ;BB:w k BEp v BGK Iw BFBƒ ^v K •I= BG I @ DBšD= issue B:K L B: k O y O ? O e O M KP ¿{ R O ? ? MNP ? z O?Œ ¼ y O BER B\FKMdæÀ =Ì DBWUFKI BUVDBTDF BWB\GILÂR GB:c k BEp v Brlâj BGBšGBtDBFBG ¡LII= QKK wR BG BCK Bt L Bs BrDF j Bl „ G z¡ BG B: ÄkLI BtDB;w DB: BD;BGc @ I b … B:FBáDYK R ] Ô O y Œ O e Œ ? ? ] ÁP Mg y ¿ ? ? ] Õ Mg O O BEQ B:K I] GÔ BáDYÔ BUVDBBS DBCK BšU FBWGBšGB:BZR^†LHH= KKL= =j B: k BGP BGc > FBE|c Q˜} BS DB¸DF B:BE L Qv BCK BUVDBEp BtUD;BXƒw K •Ž BoGBE ÇzÐI Q GBFBTAG= ^ v Q B\GK ¼ UA ? ? }@ FBGQ KIR Brƒ÷= B:K L

I think this is alarming bell and I would urge the honourable Minister for Interior to listen

to this alarming bell. It is absolutely important that we get an answer to this question

otherwise as apprehended by the honourable High Court of Peshwar, there is a risk and

definite risk of the people grappling with the security agencies with respect to this issue.

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26 Mr. Chairman: Thank you. Next question 27 Mrs. Muddusar Sehar Kamran. She

her self is not present probably and even there is no reply for it also. Œ O @ ÁP? y Mg R Á P BoEQ G=z €DBšDF= =j BG ¡ BtDB:k BC; K R Bensure BS= BFR BtDBoEpv B:à“¢}¼ BE R BXƒ•À BW Bš€DBSc = B:K L Œ O O Mg Œ cj O P y ? O I have noted. ! BCK ƒ•IK BšG= I=j : ìc DUVBUYèÅ BUGKIMg DBšG= I = j

Mr. Chairman: The Question Hour is over now we take the leave applications.

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Mr. Chairman: Now we take up item No. 3. Mr. Rehman A. Malik, Minister for

Interior. Yes Minister of state for Interior.

Mr. Imtiaz Safdar Warriach: Thank you Mr. Chairman. It is a motion for withdrawal

of the amendment I, therefore, move it, I move for leave under Rule 115 of the Rules of

Procedure and Conduct of Business in the Senate 2012 to withdraw a Bill further to

amend the Anti-terrorism Act, 1997 [The Anti-terrorism (Amendment) Bill, 2010].

Mr. Chairman: It has been moved for leave under Rule 115 of the Rules of

Procedure and Conduct of Business in the Senate 2012 to withdraw a Bill further to

amend the Anti-terrorism Act, 1997 [The Anti-terrorism (Amendment) Bill, 2010].

(The motion was carried)

27 Mr. Chairman: Now Item No. 4.

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(The motion was carried.)

Mr. Chairman: Now, item No.4, Minister of State for Interior.

Mr. Imtiaz Safdar Warriach (Minister of State for Interior): Sir, I withdraw the

Bill further to amend the Anti-terrorism Act. 1977 [The Anti-terrorism (Amendment) Bill,

2010].

Mr. Chairman: The Bill stands withdrawn. Now, item No.5, Mr. Farooq Naek.

Senator Farooq Hamid Naek (Minister for Law and Justice): Mr. Chairman, I

beg to lay before the Senate the Drug Regulatory Agency of Pakistan Ordinance, 2012

(Ordinance No.I of 2012) as required by clause (2) of Article 89 of the Constitution of the

Islamic Republic of Pakistan, 1973.

Mr. Chairman: Ordinance stands laid. Yes, Mr. Haseeb Khan. Œ O y O R Á=P Mg O O O ½í MI{ BW BtDBoEQ G=z BGK I R BBdisapprove BFR BtDB:k BEpv BDF^ v BGKIR BBmove BFR BtDBS BEQ BC K ! ŠDVBšG= I=j B:\GBZz = KMÀ DY=I æ Bƒ •IK K O ? Œ ù R y `] O ??O Œ Mg M H P `w Á P P B\GKI=½ ABWBZ}hK UGBoEpc L v Bé“Ô B Ordinance B:B:K L k B\FBG^vIzLIv^ GBGGc = @ BFBtVGBBrUGVABC R^ †= L KK B˘C BS BXABS= BE“N •BFBš€DBB R c explanations O O y O `] y totally BFR BB Special Committee made for DRA BXUG<^_ BUVDBB Chair B:K L B˘\DFKQ DBDUG <^_B˘Z}hK UGBXUFBYcL cQ ¢=Q BER BE Q DUD O O honourable Minister for Law knows all BUVDBBEpv BGKKIw BG I R Bsubmit B;R BGI=@ BBdraft BGIc@ DB‚DBšDBUVDBEpK L = v BGKK I w BG I R BBignore Œ P Mg È j O ? ²‡Õ Mg BE“N •BCK BoEp v BS¢= B:BEK L { BBpoint of view B‹ƒK •Ž BB: ºLFK}R BEQ GBG=zK I R BBdisapprove BFBtDB:Rk B\FBG^ v Im= BCK BBabout this case.

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being processed in the Secretariat and this Bill was already laid in the National Assembly

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Mr. Chairman: It canãt be deferred under the rules, O y O O O Í y? y BoCKMõ ;c@ BBArticle 89 BDUABš€Dc ! Z= j G• B\FGB;UVBoEpO Q –K@v BDFBG^ v„ H JÒ B;BUFc @ Bì DVB‹;BC= @KKMg BtDBFBC QR M õ ;BF c @ BBArticle 89 Bš€DB;c w D

Senator Farooq Hamid Naek: The honourable Member would read Article

89(2) after the 18 th Amendment, it reads as follows:

åAn Ordinance promulgated under this Article shall have the same force and effect

as an Act of [Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament)] and shall be subject to like restrictions as the

power of [Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament)] to make law, but every such Ordinance shall be

laid before both Houses if it does not contain provisions dealing with any of the matters

referred to in sub-paragraph (i), and shall stand repealed at the expiration of one hundred and twenty days from its promulgation or, if before the expiration of that period a resolution disapproving it is passed by either House, upon the passing of that resolution.ç

So, this Ordinance today has been laid pursuant to clause (ii) of Article 89 and previously it was laid before the National Assembly. So, this is well within the Constitution limits and the objection raised by the honourable Member does not hold force. O O y O MNP ? R ²³ ËP O O O ½í MI{ BCK BXUVƒÊ B:K L BBon the ground. BEpv BG;BBL cover BEm Ï BBArticle 89 BS K ! ŠDVBšG= I=j B:\GBZz = KMÀ DY=I æ Bƒ •IK K O O ³ O P Mg O BoEpv BDFBuV;^v=½ BUGVBG–¡ B\DFDBtDB:KK Qk Ep v{Q BG N… Blmc BE Bš€DBEc BCK B: º L F } R BooooE vp BGAB;BBK L R pass BEQ BBNational Assembly B;w DB:k BEpv ? Œ y O ÁP ¿ O `M<… O a Special Committee was constituted by the House and by B˘S BWGI=@ BSK B‚DB;BK L c@ DRA BEQ B\DFKQ DBtD

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Ordinance, let it come before the House, let it be examined in the House and then we y O h=> M g y { BEpv BGD;B•KL R BCK Bá;;K@ @ dKI BE Q Bš€DBu€DBBc = can take some decisions. Today, instantly, it canãt be taken up. O ? ? P ? It is being processed, thank you. I am telling you it BoGHP BG I df B€DBCKMN BFB;BBQ c@ Order of the Day BrVBS_^ Bu€DBUVD=

is being processed. Minister for Law and Justice.

Senator Farooq Hamid Naek: With the permission of the Chair, I would like

to say that he has got a right but I would like to draw attention to the honourable member

to the wordings of clause (ii) it says; åor, if before the expiration of that period a

resolution disapproving it is passed by either House, upon the passing of that resolution.ç

So, he has to submit a resolution which has to be passed by the House only then this

Ordinance can be rejected. So, I would request my learned friend, let us read the

Constitution and act according to the Constitution.

Mr. Chairman: That is what I have explained the honourable Member. Yes,

Kulsoom Parveen sahiba.

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Senator Farhatullah Babar: Yes, I will do that. Thank you.

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Senator Farhatullah Baba: Yes, I do that, thank you.

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It would have been the best day for us if our friends from the Opposition had been here

because after all, when we will be talking about the address of the President, we will also

be talking about the latest situation upturning in the country which has been agitated so

forcefully by our honourable colleagues from the other side of the isle. I really feel sorry

that they are not here because democracy is all about dialogue and I thought that if they

listen to our point of view, may be that they find some merit in that.

Mr. Chairman, what should be the parameters when we talk about the address of

the President, what are the guiding principles? Sir, when the President was addressing the

joint session that joint session was opened with a recitation from the Holy Quran and if I

recall correctly the translation of that verse was åand let not the hatred of others make

you swerve to wrong and let it not make you depart from justice.ç I would urge my friends

from the Opposition that when we discuss the Presidentãs address, when we talk about

the present situation in the country, let us not be swerved by hatred, let us not be

swerved by injustice. If that is the guiding principle, Œ ?OO O Œ ? O O O ? ? … ? MO M O ? £R BšG= êj BER B\G IÂR Gc L BUY• BUVDBšŠGBrAFz=j¼v FBEQ}} FBE^m UBE ¼ G fàÐ BFB\F RÅ GQ BE R B~G Q DB˘C KL ŠB:BCL K g BlGBFB„ z RQtDBš€DBFBEpc v{ Bšl ï Q BE BS B;w D ? O ? O ? M†d`b cP K`M?L £R _ O ² ‡Õ M g @ ? oCKKK^ BE}f Bì c B;BEÏc@ ² BS B’BčG^IKMàKQ B:B\FBGk ^v I m = BCBFBC;BšGBB; Q R= L c @

Mr. Chairman, what did the President say in his address although he talked about

the achievements of the Government in all sectors but the central theme of the address

32 Mr. Chairman, was and I quote from his address, he said, åit is time for honesty among people and between people, there have been pain, it is time for reconciliationç, this was bottom line of the Presidentãs address to the joint session of the Parliament. The guiding principle is that when we are discussing this, we should not be swerved by hatred, if that is guiding principle and if this is central theme of the Presidentãs address, Mr. Chairman, I would like to say that when the President said that we have had enough of pain. Yes, we had pain, the painful events of 1971 when Pakistan was dismembered, all the painful events of imposing dictatorships on Pakistan under the doctrine of necessity that also are very painful experiences. The judicial execution of shaheed Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, another pain inflicted on us, the assassination of shaheed Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto and also Mr.

Chairman, the hounding of another Prime Minister, I am referring to Mian , by a dictatorship forcing the military exile that also has inflicted pain on all of us and we have under-gone so much pain.

The question is, do we need to inflict upon ourselves further pain and this was the question, I wanted to ask my friends who have unfortunately staged walked out, I want to bring to their attention that we cannot afford to inflict further pain on us. But pain is being inflicted on us right now when they say that Mr. is no longer the

Prime Minister, when it is said that we will not give him protocol in Punjab, when it is said that the President will be dragged in the streets of Lahore, Mr. Chairman, I think, we are inflicting greater pain on ourselves.

So, let us be honest as the President said in his address, it is time for honesty among people and between people and if we are honest, we must make an assessment of where we stand today. Sir, where we stand today is as a result of the verdict given by the honourable Supreme Court on 26 th April, it is inevitable to refer to that verdict and that

33 verdict predates to 16 th December, 2009, it is inevitable to talk about that little detail so that the pros and cons of the present situation are explained in that correct prospective.

So, sir, from 16 th December, 2009 when the NRO judgment came, to the judgment of the

10 th January, 2012 call the implementation order which contain six options and finally the short order of 26 th April. Sir, look at the history of this NRO, this was not the only NRO, there was another NRO also under which another former Prime Minister who had been convicted and wrongly convicted I say and who was in jail but he was allowed to go in exile. I am not saying that his conviction was right, we do admit that conviction was wrong but was nonetheless allowed to go, so sir, one NRO was ignored. This particular NRO was taken up fair enough, no objections, this was discretion of the honourable court and they took up this NRO on which first judgment came on 16 th December, 2009. Sir, we had no objection, we did not defend the NRO in the Parliament, and we did not defend NRO in the courts. Many learned advocates thought that there is a principle, a settled principle of the past and closed transaction but in this particular case, the honourable court chose not to read the past and closed transaction.

Sir, those who had promulgated the NRO, we had not promulgated the NRO, those who had promulgated the NRO, they were not called, they were not questioned.

There were over 8000 cases, over 8000 beneficiaries of the NRO from different political parties but it seems to us that there was undue haste and undue pressure andÉÉÉÉÉÉ..

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Senator Farhatullah Babar : Contd... but it seems to us that there was undue haste and undue pressure. Some from the lawyersã community told us that even if you want to seek immunity for the President, you have to go to the court. Sir, there are

34 certain fundamental rights which are very clearly enunciated in the Constitution the right to

live in the right path, is a basic right. Tomorrow, if somebody asks me that I should go to

a Magistrate and get an endorsement from him for my right to live in right path that would

be a very strange situation. The Constitution was very clear under Article 248 that gives

immunity.

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verdict on the cases after the NRO has been disbanded. However, this is what Mian

Nawaz Sharif says, åhowever the President enjoys immunity under the Constitution and

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Yes, Leader of the House, do you want to move something.

Senator Jehangir Badar (Leader of the House): Yes sir. I beg to move that under rule 263 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in the Senate 2012, the requirement of the rules 26, 29, 30 and 133 of the said Rules be dispensed with in order to move the resolution. I want to move a resolution.

Mr. Chairman : I put the motion before the House that it has been moved that under rule 263 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in the Senate 2012, the requirement of the rules 26, 29, 30 and 133 of the said Rules be dispensed with in order to move the resolution.

(The motion was adopted)

Mr. Chairman: The motion is adopted. Now you move the resolution.

Senator Muhammad Jahangir Bader : I thank the House for allowing me to present this resolution. This House reposes complete confidence in Prime Minister Syed

Yousaf Raza Gilani who is constitutionally and democratically elected Prime Minister and unanimously elected Chief Executive of this country. This House commends the Prime

Minister for upholding the majesty of law by personally appearing thrice on being summoned by the honourable Supreme Court and showing great humility and respect to

36 the apex court. The House also appreciates the firmness and dignity displayed by the

Prime Minister Syed Yousaf Raza Gilani in upholding the Constitution and the

parliamentary democracy in the country. This House also wishes to reaffirm its belief in the constitutional procedure for the disqualification of a Prime Minister from holding the office and that any other procedure adopted will be considered as unconstitutional. I have put the resolution for the approval of the House.

Mr. Chairman : Now I put the motion before the House as moved by Senator

Muhammad Jahangir Bader.

(The motion was adopted)

Mr. Chairman : The motion is adopted and the resolution is passed unanimously.

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Mr. Chairman: Thank you. The proceedings are suspended for fifteen minutes

for Maghrib prayers.

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Mr. Chairman, I want to make it very clear that we have great respect for Judiciary

and for all the Judges. We also believe that judicial selectivity is something which the

38 people of Pakistan, which no civilized people can countenance, can accept. When the perception develops that there has been selectivity then those judgments appear partisan and when the judgments appear partisan then unfortunately what belongs to the domain of the courts, it comes into the domain of politics, it comes into the domain of the Parliament and that is something which really is very unfortunate because I believe that judiciary is our beacon of hope. Faith in judiciary is too precious for us to be lost. We just canãt afford to lose faith in judiciary. In fact, we all want to see it strengthened and to see it respected. ? O ? e O ? ? ? m… “Q OÂKQ ¿ ? P ¡ O BEpv Brefrain B‚DBGB\FK L ¡

Sir, we also want justice but we need justice, both; justice and democracy because justice without democracy is the tyranny of Judges.

(ContÉ..T13)

T13-03May2012 ER5/Rafaqat Waheed/Ed:Mubashir 7:30 pm

Senator Farhatullah Babar: (Continued) Justice without democracy is the tyranny of judges and democracy without justice is the dictatorship of political parties. Therefore, we say that we donãt want only justice; we want both justice and democracy.

Sir, blind justice alone without democracy is a disaster and unbridled democracy without justice is a catastrophe. We have to keep ourselves saved and protected both from the disaster and the catastrophe. O ? ” âa O what happens to the Prime Minister when the final judgment B:k BER BšGBtDBl=L âQ B• ! šG= I=j ? O y P Mg O j }î L ²³ B:k BEpv B:BrVBEpK L v BGKIR Bdisturb BGf BDUFm BCK B‹UGBE= L R BƒK • cØ B• = BEQ BE “Ð | BE R Bs;DBK c@ 26 BEm Ï Bcomes

39 on that day, the honourable Judges of the Supreme Court chose to uphold their dignity

and respect by using the Contempt Law. We would have wanted and we believe that the

respect and honour of judiciary must rest on more solid foundations than the fragile and

sandy foundations of the Contempt Law. An Edifice, a structure of the respect for courts

which rests only on the Contempt Law, believe me Mr. Chairman, is a fragile and weak

structure. We would not want that. I wish, this is our wish and prayer that the honour and

respect of our honourable Judges is not contingent only upon the Contempt of Court Law

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So, I donãt know why this haste, what is the purpose and what objective will be achieved?

As the President said in his address, let us be honest. I urge them to be honest, to be

honest to themselves, to be honest to this House and to be honest to the people of

Pakistan. Sir, where we stand? ? y M }î … ? ¿ O KMOL ? ??î BoCK †^ BEQ“v ;BERÐ | B¹c ½ BrVB˘Ep BGFBtL^v = z DBGBWUGB; ¡Lc “cI c B\G IL Â R GBY c ¢=Q BčDUFBE î R BtDBUVDBshort order BG¡ BáDY]Ô BUVDB:ÄÐK} BG ¡ BáDY ] Ô B~l„ B‚DK L

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åAfter careful deliberations, the meeting decided to give a

robust, considered and appropriate response to the new

challenges with great political maturity and wisdom on the

one hand and firmness on the other and employing all

democratic and constitutional means available.ç OO yP? ²‡Õ Mg î y P ? ? O BtDBEQ BšUFB’ƒRvKKc•f B:k B\FBG^ Im= BCK B˘Ep vQ BGAB:K L ÄÐK} BE BšUFB’ƒ R c •f B~lB‚DB:„ K L kL BEp v B:K B¸G z BšUF Å Bá× VBtD ! šG= I=j Œ O O MP M }î it can entail Article 63(1)(g). B:k BEpv BGN… BUVƒB:B˘EÊ K L } w FB^vdisqualify B:BGkN… BCKKN B:BCBEK L g “Ð |

Mr. Chairman, to me the verdict of the Supreme Court is like raising the arm but

stopping shot of giving the blow. The Supreme Court might have raised the arm but it has

not given the blow. On the other hand, the political party says that we will give a robust

response to the new challenges. I think this situation calls for introspection. The Supreme

Court has not disqualified the Prime Minister and it has only raised the arm. The political

party has not said that we will agitate; they say we will give a robust response in

accordance with democratic traditions, Constitution and law.

41 Mr. Chairman, I believe that we have reached a point where we must pause and ponder as to what to do. All institutions, I believe, must remain within their parameters.

Whether it is the most respected judiciary, whether it is the Parliament, whether it is the political parties, we all must stay within our constitutionally defined parameters. If the judgments appear to be partisan, if God forbid, judges appear to be political and if it is thrown into the court of politics, then Mr. Chairman, no body is better at politics than the politicians. This should be clearly understood by all.

Sir, on that day as you know, by 9:45 am, the verdict had come. By 9:30 am the polling had begun in provincial constituency 194 in Multan. That was a constituency where since 1988, the seat was won by PML (N) but on that day on the 26 th April, the people of

Multan spoke. They also gave their own verdict. It is not a smaller matter. People must think about it that there was a judicial verdict, we respect the judicial verdict, at the same time, there came a political verdict and the political verdict was that the man who has been sentenced for the contempt of court, we follow him, we stand by him. So, there are lessons in that.

Sir, the final point that I want to make isÉÉÉÉ..

(To be followed by T14)

T14-03-05-2012 ER/4/Bhatti/ED: Mubashir 7:40 P.M.

Senator Farhat Ullah Babar: (Continue É..T13) Mr. Chairman, the final point that I want to make is that let us wait, may be the Supreme Court does not disqualify the Prime

Minister, may be it disqualifies the Prime Minister, whatever happens, let us wait for the final outcome. Mr. Chairman! We remember that the Supreme Court at one time also ordered the execution of Shaheed Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, nobody today quotes that judgment.

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto lives in the hearts and minds of people and as I said earlier Shaheed

42 Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto was also convicted at one time by the Court, that conviction was

set aside, people donãt even remember that she was convicted and she still lives in the

hearts and minds of people. The Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gillani may be convicted and

who knows Mr. Chairman, that even if he is convicted, the conviction may not be a stigma on him, the conviction might turn out to be a medallion ever worn by an elected Prime

Minister in defence of the Constitution and in defence of the Parliament. Thank you very much.

(Desk thumping)

Mr. Deputy Chairman: Thank you Senator Babar, I wish the opposition would have been here and would have given you a reply of your cogent reasons that would have been the Parliamentary spirit. Senator Talha Mehmood and after you Mr. Mushahid

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Mr. Deputy Chairman: Thank you Talha Mehmood Sahib . This House acknowledged

the presence of Senator Dr. Abdul Hay Baloch. He has represented Balochistan with full

dedication and with full ability and aptitude. Thank you very much.

Now, the House stands adjourned to meet again on Friday, the 4 th May, 2012 at

10:00 a.m. Thank you.

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