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1 00:00:00.210 --> 00:00:00.930 dennisdostert: So moved.
2 00:00:02.669 --> 00:00:03.240 Gary: Second,
3 00:00:04.080 --> 00:00:06.450 Gary: Any comments, questions additions.
4 00:00:08.970 --> 00:00:10.139 Gary: All in favor.
5 00:00:11.730 --> 00:00:12.000 Gary: Aye.
6 00:00:12.809 --> 00:00:13.049 Any
7 00:00:19.050 --> 00:00:20.580 Gary: Opposed Dennis's is that
8 00:00:20.850 --> 00:00:23.070 dennisdostert: No, no, I just, I saw somebody else, raise your hand.
9 00:00:23.460 --> 00:00:24.030 Okay.
10 00:00:26.970 --> 00:00:27.360 Gary: Okay.
11 00:00:28.050 --> 00:00:36.150 Gary: We're good. Everybody everybody's on public forum. I don't see anybody that's not a member. So we'll dispense with public forum.
12 00:00:37.980 --> 00:00:39.180 Gary: Property updates.
13 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:53.970 Gary: Okay, I guess, Kevin. Should we take those. Now there's two small ones.
14 00:00:55.980 --> 00:01:00.240 Gary: The issue of high meadow and the issue of mulberry point, both of which are really
15 00:01:03.810 --> 00:01:08.670 Gary: The movement away sale or disposition
16 00:01:10.350 --> 00:01:10.980 Kevin Magee: Yeah, we can
17 00:01:12.900 --> 00:01:18.270 Gary: There's nothing particularly requiring Executive Session.
18 00:01:19.020 --> 00:01:23.250 Kevin Magee: No, no, there's not anybody civic properties. I was talking about Tom property, they're
19 00:01:23.580 --> 00:01:23.940 Gary: Like
20 00:01:24.330 --> 00:01:28.740 Kevin Magee: So I have, I'll take regarding to conservation easements when we finish that one.
21 00:01:29.010 --> 00:01:32.430 Gary: Okay, we've had two requests.
22 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:35.520 Gary: One is a
23 00:01:36.720 --> 00:01:38.520 Gary: piece of land that's 50 feet.
24 00:01:38.580 --> 00:01:39.900 Gary: Wide and
25 00:01:39.930 --> 00:01:50.040 Gary: Kevin, I don't know if you've got the length of it. But the next 95 high meadow. It was a strip of land that the developer had reserved for road.
26 00:01:50.460 --> 00:02:00.390 Gary: presuming that he might be able to buy the next piece of land somebody else bought it. If this became a road and we go into somebody's backyard. So one of the neighboring
27 00:02:02.370 --> 00:02:05.700 Gary: People owners has requested that we would
28 00:02:08.130 --> 00:02:18.780 Gary: dispose of it. I've talked to Janice she sees no need for the town to keep it. We've done this before this happens from time to time that somebody
29 00:02:19.350 --> 00:02:29.790 Gary: Leaves a deeds to the town or road hoping that they get a chance to buy something. Next, it gets split 5050 down the middle, we
30 00:02:30.690 --> 00:02:51.420 Gary: Assuming it gets approved by the selectmen and then by a town meeting, it gets split 5052 the two owners, we give a quick claim that's their responsibility to do the whenever legal filing or surveys that they might require so it's no expense to
31 00:02:51.420 --> 00:02:51.720 sean cosgrove: What
32 00:02:52.230 --> 00:03:00.750 Gary: I've actually seen this property. It's a liability. There's two trees that if we don't get rid of it, Kevin's going to have to pay to take down and read, Kevin.
33 00:03:01.500 --> 00:03:03.630 Kevin Magee: Ghana trimming branches. I'm one of them already.
34 00:03:04.230 --> 00:03:16.440 Gary: Okay, but they, you know, in my opinion, their, their liabilities to the town. There's no benefit they go nowhere. So you might give them to the people and let them just take care of it.
35 00:03:17.910 --> 00:03:27.570 Carrie Clark: Gary, would this be a prime example of why or at least why we're trying not to take these on anymore and subdivision referrals and wetlands and Planning and Zoning
36 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:28.770 Gary: Correct.
37 00:03:28.920 --> 00:03:30.990 Carrie Clark: To avoid situations. Okay.
38 00:03:31.050 --> 00:03:33.360 Gary: Well, I suspect, in this case, and I don't
39 00:03:35.310 --> 00:03:38.790 Gary: Kevin, do you know how is this like a 40 or 50 year old development.
40 00:03:39.480 --> 00:03:54.630 Kevin Magee: Yeah, this is like in this not open space piece. This is a piece of land reserved for a road to connect into a potential subdivision beyond it, but the southern region that got created and ended up with a cold. A second didn't go straight through. Right.
41 00:03:55.500 --> 00:03:58.620 Kevin Magee: Yeah, so it ended up this piece ended up not being needed now.
42 00:03:59.640 --> 00:04:10.710 Gary: But it gets deeded to the town. It happens from time to time. What happened in my neighborhood. A couple years back. And one of the people came. I was a selectman at the time. And somebody came to me and said, you know,
43 00:04:12.930 --> 00:04:16.170 Gary: I need five feet of this because I don't have enough
44 00:04:18.330 --> 00:04:32.100 Gary: Space to build and build myself a garage. I looked into it portly at the time said, you know, there's nothing we can do with it. There's nothing. There's no reason we want it. So we separated it off and they just took each took half of it.
45 00:04:32.700 --> 00:04:34.950 sean cosgrove: Gary, Gary, can you clarify where there's
46 00:04:36.300 --> 00:04:45.720 Gary: A nine time metal road it's between 95 high meadow and I'm not sure what the number is beside it. Kevin, do you know that
47 00:04:46.290 --> 00:04:49.200 Kevin Magee: I'll do, I'll try to pop on the screen here. Give me a second.
48 00:04:49.590 --> 00:04:51.810 sean cosgrove: Yeah, that'd be great. So swing.
49 00:04:54.540 --> 00:05:00.570 Gary: High meadow is off of prospect, which runs between 77 and State Street.
50 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:01.530 sean cosgrove: Oh. Oh, good.
51 00:05:01.770 --> 00:05:02.580 sean cosgrove: Prospect hill.
52 00:05:03.270 --> 00:05:03.720 Yeah.
53 00:05:27.990 --> 00:05:28.530 Gary: Okay, yeah.
54 00:05:29.220 --> 00:05:29.550 Kevin Magee: It goes
55 00:05:29.730 --> 00:05:30.840 Kevin Magee: 230 feet.
56 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:32.790 Kevin Magee: In life.
57 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:38.910 Gary: Like 1.29 acres and 50 feet, y is
58 00:05:39.900 --> 00:05:42.030 Gary: 0938 yeah
59 00:05:42.570 --> 00:05:43.080 So,
60 00:05:44.130 --> 00:05:46.680 sean cosgrove: So who owns that land up
61 00:05:47.400 --> 00:05:48.360 Kevin Magee: The town.
62 00:05:49.200 --> 00:05:55.800 sean cosgrove: Okay, so the town just seeds into the the owners on the adjacent properties and they just split it.
63 00:05:55.830 --> 00:05:57.150 Gary: Wait, quick claim it
64 00:05:58.230 --> 00:06:11.070 Gary: And they they do what they need to do probably your merge it. I mean, they could keep it as a separate 25 foot space and do nothing with it. But typically, what would happen is they would merge it with their with their property.
65 00:06:11.280 --> 00:06:16.440 sean cosgrove: Okay, it is the town absorb the cost or to the owners.
66 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:28.440 Gary: Joel All we will do is quit claim it so it's approved will click claim it to them and they can do whatever they want to do legally to file to get a survey. Okay.
67 00:06:28.470 --> 00:06:29.370 sean cosgrove: So, I mean,
68 00:06:29.430 --> 00:06:29.580 This
69 00:06:31.440 --> 00:06:31.980 sean cosgrove: One already
70 00:06:34.110 --> 00:06:34.440 Keith Bishop: Put it up.
71 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:42.120 sean cosgrove: Oh no, but it's not it's not a developable i mean
72 00:06:43.980 --> 00:06:44.910 sean cosgrove: A lot so
73 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:55.830 Gary: Neither is either developable nor nor would it make the Jason properties, you know, large enough to do anything, you know, put a separate a single lot and a second lot on it or anything like that.
74 00:06:56.190 --> 00:07:03.150 Gary: It's really doesn't hurt. It's a courtesy and it's a liability to the towel. Hey, I heard someone say auction.
75 00:07:04.500 --> 00:07:05.040 He said,
76 00:07:06.690 --> 00:07:10.890 Keith Bishop: That. So this would go to town on fluffy will then put up for sale.
77 00:07:12.150 --> 00:07:16.740 Keith Bishop: Going to the town charter and then there'll be bidding on it by whoever wants to bid on it.
78 00:07:17.340 --> 00:07:18.540 Gary: Yeah, well,
79 00:07:19.950 --> 00:07:20.400 Carrie Clark: Happy
80 00:07:21.360 --> 00:07:28.230 Gary: Present people would, that would be the two adjacent owners and if they were smart, they get a penny.
81 00:07:29.850 --> 00:07:30.240 sean cosgrove: So,
82 00:07:33.180 --> 00:07:36.090 sean cosgrove: Are the two land owners aware of this.
83 00:07:37.770 --> 00:07:52.080 Gary: One of them is because they requested it, and they said they would mention it to the other one. It gets posted. I mean, theoretically, all 304 could get a little piece of it too, but
84 00:07:53.340 --> 00:07:57.120 Gary: They'd be entitled to 25 feet or something on there.
85 00:07:57.930 --> 00:07:58.200 Gary: Right.
86 00:07:58.410 --> 00:08:13.740 Gary: Right. But I know this happened on the one on Fox with so so I personally went over to the owner that that for whom the road would have gone through the backyard guy looked at me and he said, I got more one. I know what to do with. Now, he said, I don't want another 25 feet.
87 00:08:15.330 --> 00:08:15.750 Gary: So,
88 00:08:15.840 --> 00:08:24.270 Kevin Magee: Very this one, maybe slightly different than that one. Since this one is actually an actual parcel on the land records were yours was actually a
89 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:25.920 Kevin Magee: Part of a town road, not a
90 00:08:25.950 --> 00:08:26.760 Kevin Magee: Party will say,
91 00:08:27.090 --> 00:08:27.420 Gary: You know,
92 00:08:27.480 --> 00:08:30.570 Kevin Magee: It may have to go towards the auction versus the
93 00:08:32.160 --> 00:08:34.110 Kevin Magee: Splitting down the center type deal
94 00:08:35.340 --> 00:08:39.120 Gary: Um, I guess we'd have to check that with Council.
95 00:08:39.810 --> 00:08:48.930 Kevin Magee: Right. But it's like I said, they both do it for attorneys cost, it's not gonna hurt the town, either way. Right, right.
96 00:08:49.470 --> 00:08:55.980 Gary: And it's a light, you know, it's a liability if we had done this six months ago, Kevin wouldn't be paying trim trace
97 00:08:58.080 --> 00:08:58.380 sean cosgrove: Route
98 00:09:00.900 --> 00:09:01.590 Gary: So,
99 00:09:03.180 --> 00:09:17.730 Gary: Yeah, technically, we're not a disposition committee, but I think if we can make the recommendation to the to the selectmen it could go from there. Is there anyone that sees a problem either to
100 00:09:19.260 --> 00:09:20.550 Gary: I guess the question would be what
101 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:28.140 Gary: Would we agree to dispose of it, either by quick claim or if necessary, by an auction.
102 00:09:30.270 --> 00:09:30.780 Scott's iPad: Yes.
103 00:09:32.400 --> 00:09:35.040 Keith Bishop: Whoo, that we recommend that the Board of selectmen
104 00:09:37.050 --> 00:09:44.700 Keith Bishop: Taken put this up for sale to the highest bidder. I think it's gonna go to auction. I think that's technically with tend to happen.
105 00:09:47.040 --> 00:09:47.490 Keith Bishop: Motion.
106 00:09:47.970 --> 00:09:48.330 Second,
107 00:09:50.010 --> 00:09:50.970 Gary: All in favor.
108 00:09:52.050 --> 00:09:52.590 dennisdostert: Aye.
109 00:09:54.420 --> 00:09:55.020 Gary: Host
110 00:09:58.380 --> 00:10:04.410 Gary: Carries okay we'll make that recommendation. The second one, Kevin, can you run up the mulberry point one.
111 00:10:05.730 --> 00:10:06.390 Kevin Magee: Yep.
112 00:10:06.660 --> 00:10:07.110 See
113 00:10:08.130 --> 00:10:09.720 Gary: Where is it, it's
114 00:10:14.610 --> 00:10:16.500 Gary: It's oh six, eight, it's
115 00:10:20.340 --> 00:10:25.740 Gary: So I'm over reporting. Right. I don't have a street address, but it's a lot on six eight. Again, this, this.
116 00:10:26.460 --> 00:10:51.210 Gary: Was left I think from the development. It's a point two acre site know they. There you go. Three, one of you on the party at oh six, nine approached us and said, I don't have enough setback, I'd like to put in a mother in law apartment which presumably would increase the tax base and I need
117 00:10:52.320 --> 00:11:09.840 Gary: I need a little you know some of that oh six, eight to give myself enough space to expand my house. I happen to know by conversation that we started Dennis Johnson and it's Cool with the whole septic process.
118 00:11:10.860 --> 00:11:27.660 Gary: That would have to. That would definitely have to go for sale. I'm not sure that anybody else would buy it but it would it would have to go the sale and we were right it in such a way that they would pay at minimum, the appraised value from the assessor which is 100 and which is
119 00:11:28.890 --> 00:11:44.220 Gary: 1700 dollars and all legal fees as necessary. So again, it would be disposed of at no cost to the town with a minimum of 1700 dollars going into the land acquisition fun
120 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:49.350 Carrie Clark: Just so I can learn here. Now why would this not be eligible for auction.
121 00:11:50.100 --> 00:11:51.600 Gary: We will auction it. Yes.
122 00:11:51.930 --> 00:11:52.740 Carrie Clark: Okay. All right.
123 00:11:53.130 --> 00:11:55.290 Gary: I don't see anybody else that would buy it, though.
124 00:11:55.350 --> 00:11:56.130 Carrie Clark: No, I agree.
125 00:11:56.850 --> 00:12:00.540 Gary: But, but, yes, that one would have to go to auction, you would have to be posted
126 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:01.170 Okay.
127 00:12:03.150 --> 00:12:03.720 Gary: Um,
128 00:12:09.330 --> 00:12:15.390 Gary: So I would entertain a motion that we recommend to the selectmen that that be put up for auction sold
129 00:12:19.170 --> 00:12:19.890 Scott's iPad: Simon
130 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:22.380 Gary: Second,
131 00:12:26.370 --> 00:12:26.940 Gary: Second,
132 00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:28.860 Carrie Clark: Second, yes. Yeah.
133 00:12:29.010 --> 00:12:29.910 Gary: All in favor.
134 00:12:30.330 --> 00:12:31.470 John DellaVentura: Aye. Aye.
135 00:12:32.790 --> 00:12:33.720 Gary: Opposed.
136 00:12:36.810 --> 00:12:37.980 Gary: Great. Moving on.
137 00:12:39.300 --> 00:12:42.780 Gary: We need to elect a vice chair.
138 00:12:43.950 --> 00:12:45.330 Gary: I would entertained.
139 00:12:47.460 --> 00:12:54.120 Gary: Any names of those that either by yourself or by somebody else to stand for Vice Chair.
140 00:12:56.670 --> 00:12:57.900 Keith Bishop: As Keith here I will
141 00:12:58.920 --> 00:13:06.990 Keith Bishop: Take the opportunity here it's convention season I prepared a little video for you to nominate the next Vice Chair.
142 00:13:14.670 --> 00:13:22.890 Keith Bishop: I didn't have time to like jump with the candidate to do a proper video I'd like to nominate Scott Williams. The Vice Chair.
143 00:13:24.540 --> 00:13:32.580 Keith Bishop: He's been on the Commission previous Lily has had other experience and our area, and we've got to get some
144 00:13:33.780 --> 00:13:38.850 Keith Bishop: Younger blood, so to speak, to learn the ropes, as some of us have been around for a while.
145 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:46.590 Keith Bishop: Step aside. And so I think Kevin to me. Scott would be fantastic at that. So I nominate Scott
146 00:13:48.180 --> 00:13:49.710 Keith Bishop: Right, that's Kevin again, Scott.
147 00:13:53.070 --> 00:13:53.610 Gary: Okay.
148 00:13:54.060 --> 00:13:56.430 Carrie Clark: Is there a second. Second.
149 00:13:57.600 --> 00:13:59.250 Gary: there any other nominations
150 00:14:04.680 --> 00:14:11.880 Gary: Hearing none, all in favor of Scott Williams, becoming the vice chair of land acquisition Commission.
151 00:14:16.260 --> 00:14:17.310 Gary: Ne, ne
152 00:14:17.610 --> 00:14:20.460 Carrie Clark: Ne opposed to say, hey, Scott.
153 00:14:25.410 --> 00:14:30.540 Gary: This way, look at the good news. No other commissions gonna want to play us a basketball.
154 00:14:33.660 --> 00:14:34.110 sean cosgrove: My only
155 00:14:34.740 --> 00:14:38.160 sean cosgrove: My only comment Scott is that you have a better way, next time.
156 00:14:40.530 --> 00:14:42.510 Scott's iPad: I apologize, I, I
157 00:14:42.540 --> 00:14:43.410 sean cosgrove: went for a walk them.
158 00:14:43.710 --> 00:14:44.460 Scott's iPad: Through it so
159 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:47.130 Scott's iPad: I appreciate it.
160 00:14:47.160 --> 00:14:48.570 Keith Thank you very much.
161 00:14:49.980 --> 00:15:04.200 Scott's iPad: Yeah, I've been on the Commission for, I don't know, eight years or so, but always been on the periphery. So I'm happy to be more involved and and as I mentioned to Gary, I'm, I'm a bit of a neophyte but I'm willing to learn
162 00:15:05.280 --> 00:15:07.170 Scott's iPad: And thank you all.
163 00:15:09.750 --> 00:15:13.290 Gary: Okay thank you look forward to working with you.
164 00:15:14.400 --> 00:15:21.480 Gary: Again, Scott and I spent a number of years together on this on my last tour, um,
165 00:15:22.620 --> 00:15:29.610 Gary: Alright, the next item on the agenda is discussion and creation of working groups and
166 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:40.260 Gary: Mice, as long as I've been on the the land acquisition. We have been somewhat reactive and so
167 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:51.690 Gary: I called my friend, Keith, who's been here as long as I have, and who was involved in the last process. And I said, would you have up a
168 00:15:52.530 --> 00:16:09.240 Gary: Task Force or a group or, you know, a working group, whatever you want to call it, and and update our property list and get get a list that can be brought to us. We can discuss it. Hopefully, by the time it's done with the alt will be meeting, face to face, but
169 00:16:09.630 --> 00:16:20.400 Gary: We can look at all the properties in town that we might have an interest in so that when they become available. We have a database. We might have map. We might have
170 00:16:21.690 --> 00:16:33.000 Gary: Tax data or we might have acreage we might have some information on it so that we're not just reacting saying what is this site where, where do we think I'm
171 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:36.510 Gary: Keith has agreed to head that up.
172 00:16:37.530 --> 00:16:38.100 Gary: I would
173 00:16:39.270 --> 00:16:54.240 Gary: Love to have a couple of you volunteer. I hate to pick on you but john given the that you're active with the Land Trust, I would think that you would be a natural candidate to to participate in that. If you can put up with your father in law that is
174 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:56.550 John DellaVentura: That was the only caveat. Yeah.
175 00:16:57.060 --> 00:16:57.450 John DellaVentura: But no.
176 00:17:00.750 --> 00:17:05.460 Gary: Is it anybody else. Anybody else want to put their hand up and join that
177 00:17:06.150 --> 00:17:07.740 sean cosgrove: Theory theory I would I would
178 00:17:08.820 --> 00:17:09.930 sean cosgrove: Well, we went bowling.
179 00:17:10.740 --> 00:17:11.070 Okay.
180 00:17:12.450 --> 00:17:26.280 Gary: Why don't we start with that as a threesome. Um, and you can work out your own schedule and put that together. I mean, again, it's not a rush. It's not immediate the last 15 years ago, Keith. Isn't that correct
181 00:17:28.110 --> 00:17:28.860 Keith Bishop: Um,
182 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:31.110 Keith Bishop: While ago
183 00:17:31.770 --> 00:17:41.010 Gary: I haven't, but it's not dated so nobody put a date on it. The Guilford way in priority summary list, but no one bothered to date it so
184 00:17:42.630 --> 00:17:45.360 Keith Bishop: That goes back to carefully and having that was
185 00:17:46.410 --> 00:17:49.410 Keith Bishop: Almost pretty common word processor
186 00:17:50.040 --> 00:17:55.620 Gary: Right, right. So I think it was, it was before I get on the last time. So it has to be 15 years ago.
187 00:17:56.370 --> 00:18:00.420 Kevin Magee: So anyway, thanks, Stephen. I started one to swap the book.
188 00:18:00.660 --> 00:18:09.570 Gary: Okay, yeah, I think that you started a database of again. It'd be nice to have the database, either on a spreadsheet or in some format so that we can access it quickly.
189 00:18:11.130 --> 00:18:14.250 sean cosgrove: Are we concerned a subcommittee or some
190 00:18:14.760 --> 00:18:16.410 Gary: I'd call it a working group.
191 00:18:16.710 --> 00:18:17.820 sean cosgrove: Working Group. Okay.
192 00:18:17.850 --> 00:18:24.840 Gary: Yeah, I call it a working group. So then you don't have to have minutes and then you don't have to, you know, post a meeting or anything like that. I just call it a working
193 00:18:25.950 --> 00:18:27.300 sean cosgrove: You know I love moves.
194 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:29.730 Gary: Your dough.
195 00:18:33.810 --> 00:18:35.370 Gary: The second thing.
196 00:18:35.520 --> 00:18:37.170 Gary: And I talked to Kevin
197 00:18:37.200 --> 00:19:00.030 Gary: Clark, because he had expressed some interest in that is looking at updating our bond availability, as most of you know again before my time on land acquisition. The town approved a $5 million dollar referendum, by way of reference, the current availability.
198 00:19:02.850 --> 00:19:04.380 Gary: On that is
199 00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:11.760 Gary: A little over a million dollars. About half Class A in about half B and C.
200 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:14.190 Gary: And
201 00:19:15.450 --> 00:19:19.890 Gary: While I don't think we have any plans. Although once we see
202 00:19:20.040 --> 00:19:33.750 Gary: The work of keys team, you know, it may make sense to put some numbers around it. But I think from my standpoint, it would be beneficial if the town was willing to recreate
203 00:19:34.140 --> 00:19:50.430 Gary: A significant availability that we could move move on if if we needed it. And again, it all has, you know, the approvals all have to go through the town process. It's not like we get to spend it because our nice little group decides, we want to spend $3 million here but
204 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:52.470 Gary: It would
205 00:19:53.580 --> 00:20:00.480 sean cosgrove: Gary, Gary, Gary, can you clarify instead of bond authorization, or is it already available.
206 00:20:00.840 --> 00:20:07.230 Gary: It's a blonde author yeah what's available is a bond authorization. The town has has approved.
207 00:20:08.760 --> 00:20:18.300 Gary: Availability under this bond off accession, most of it has been spent with this one, but there's about a million dollars left that could be used
208 00:20:20.040 --> 00:20:21.120 sean cosgrove: When does it expire.
209 00:20:22.260 --> 00:20:26.490 Gary: I don't know that it is that it does expire. Kevin, do you have any knowledge of that.
210 00:20:27.420 --> 00:20:32.250 Kevin Magee: I never heard expiration date has been going on since 2000 I believe right
211 00:20:32.760 --> 00:20:36.570 Gary: Yeah, I'm is 20 years old, we have, we only spent
212 00:20:37.050 --> 00:20:39.450 Gary: You know, four fifths of it so
213 00:20:39.900 --> 00:20:40.380 Kimberly Brockett: It's
214 00:20:40.470 --> 00:20:43.110 sean cosgrove: It's really, it's analogous to a credit line.
215 00:20:43.830 --> 00:20:58.110 Gary: Essentially, yes, it's a it's a taxpayer approved credit availability, although the purchase itself and whatever goes through it, you know, still has to go through all the hoops of
216 00:20:58.500 --> 00:20:58.740 Like
217 00:20:59.850 --> 00:21:01.770 sean cosgrove: How me out with a history. What was it
218 00:21:03.420 --> 00:21:04.410 sean cosgrove: Historically,
219 00:21:06.420 --> 00:21:07.950 sean cosgrove: Question for a larger
220 00:21:08.490 --> 00:21:12.360 sean cosgrove: Not used entirely and that was the excess that was left over.
221 00:21:12.930 --> 00:21:28.200 Gary: No, it was, it was generally used for smaller purchases. I mean, something like the East River preserve required its own referendum rent is that exceeded that but if if a half a million dollar property came up. If a million dollar property came up
222 00:21:29.670 --> 00:21:34.440 Gary: In the selectmen and the Board of finance decided to use this device.
223 00:21:34.860 --> 00:21:41.490 Gary: We wouldn't have to go to a separate classically referendum to to raise a million dollars, it would bring
224 00:21:42.120 --> 00:21:47.340 sean cosgrove: This and this is in this is an excess of what is in the land acquisition phone
225 00:21:47.730 --> 00:21:48.720 Gary: That's correct.
226 00:21:49.290 --> 00:21:51.510 sean cosgrove: And what is in the lamp acquisition for now.
227 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:54.750 Gary: And acquisition fund as of this
228 00:21:56.040 --> 00:21:56.760 Gary: Moment.
229 00:21:58.080 --> 00:21:59.970 Gary: We're like I was all organized
230 00:22:04.950 --> 00:22:12.360 Gary: Land acquisition fun as of 729 had 870 9000 in it.
231 00:22:13.380 --> 00:22:32.550 Gary: It increases in approximately $10,000 a month if nothing extraordinary happens to it. And we've spent a little bit on phase one and on some appraisals and phase one. So we were probably still around that. At number
232 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:33.300 Okay.
233 00:22:35.100 --> 00:22:36.390 Gary: Certainly are far from it.
234 00:22:37.800 --> 00:22:42.480 Kevin Magee: And part of the reason for the been having the bond authorization ahead of time is to speed up
235 00:22:43.710 --> 00:22:45.120 Kevin Magee: The purchase of properties.
236 00:22:47.070 --> 00:22:55.110 sean cosgrove: So I totally get that. I mean, you want to demonstrate to a wire that you have the wherewithal to buy right
237 00:22:56.520 --> 00:22:56.940 Now,
238 00:22:57.990 --> 00:23:02.040 Gary: So I don't think, I don't think there's an urgency to it, but I think
239 00:23:05.340 --> 00:23:09.870 Gary: I would ask Kevin if he would just sort of put some thinking around it.
240 00:23:10.650 --> 00:23:23.250 Gary: I reached out and I didn't get an answer back but I reached out to Kim, as a former member of the board of finance is somebody that might be valuable working with him to really just put an outline together that we can take to the Board of selectmen
241 00:23:26.250 --> 00:23:27.810 Gary: That makes sense to everybody.
242 00:23:29.370 --> 00:23:30.150 Carrie Clark: Absolutely.
243 00:23:30.600 --> 00:23:31.050 sean cosgrove: I think
244 00:23:31.080 --> 00:23:37.590 sean cosgrove: I think having more people on board with what you know various people are thinking about is
245 00:23:38.910 --> 00:23:40.320 sean cosgrove: No surprises that
246 00:23:41.460 --> 00:23:42.360 sean cosgrove: That's the best approach.
247 00:23:42.870 --> 00:23:48.000 Carrie Clark: It's fine. I thought it was going to be really simple when when you were talking about bond availability.
248 00:23:48.510 --> 00:23:56.640 Carrie Clark: I said wow you. You seem to have numbers are reticent my work is already done. I don't need to do anything and then Sean clarify that it was a bond authorization. I was like, Oh, darn it.
249 00:23:56.910 --> 00:23:57.600 Carrie Clark: Now I don't have to do
250 00:23:57.750 --> 00:23:58.950 Gary: Work. Yeah.
251 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:00.630 Yeah.
252 00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:02.400 Carrie Clark: That's been
253 00:24:02.490 --> 00:24:08.100 Keith Bishop: Talking about increasing this for quite a while. And that's a big piece of it has to do
254 00:24:08.220 --> 00:24:10.860 Keith Bishop: With the political met and the willingness of
255 00:24:12.120 --> 00:24:19.500 Keith Bishop: The Board of selectmen in particular to accept it and take it on and what the other tax implication
256 00:24:21.030 --> 00:24:22.260 Keith Bishop: Is to the town so
257 00:24:23.520 --> 00:24:35.070 Keith Bishop: Bad it indicated before coven that he was willing to take on and consider it at this point in time. So let's go at it and see where we can take it from here.
258 00:24:36.180 --> 00:24:38.160 sean cosgrove: Because the long term question.
259 00:24:39.180 --> 00:24:47.790 sean cosgrove: You know, just based on some of the very strategic. What do you mean that this committee is discussed before, which is
260 00:24:49.260 --> 00:24:50.310 sean cosgrove: Is the town.
261 00:24:52.560 --> 00:24:53.700 sean cosgrove: Thinking about
262 00:24:56.250 --> 00:24:57.030 sean cosgrove: Accessing
263 00:24:58.410 --> 00:24:59.910 sean cosgrove: We're borrowing power.
264 00:25:02.280 --> 00:25:04.590 sean cosgrove: In you know in the near future.
265 00:25:05.940 --> 00:25:08.430 sean cosgrove: Thinking about, you know, 10 works and all that stuff.
266 00:25:10.140 --> 00:25:11.850 sean cosgrove: I'm just, I'm thinking about
267 00:25:14.310 --> 00:25:17.970 sean cosgrove: The town's ability to take action.
268 00:25:19.110 --> 00:25:25.680 sean cosgrove: If the property becomes available that is strategically important to the town.
269 00:25:27.420 --> 00:25:32.670 Gary: Well, I think that's what these two processes will help us clarify for the select group.
270 00:25:35.550 --> 00:25:35.970 Gary: You know I
271 00:25:37.050 --> 00:25:44.550 Gary: Mean the other sort of corollary to the bond question is sort of the argument that
272 00:25:47.790 --> 00:25:57.270 Gary: Some of the board of finance members put forward when we're looking at the East River preserve that it was actually cheaper to buy the property than it was to have it developed
273 00:25:58.830 --> 00:25:59.760 Gary: Jim O'Keefe
274 00:26:01.830 --> 00:26:06.090 Gary: posited that but if the East River preserve went to
275 00:26:07.230 --> 00:26:16.740 Gary: Went to housing, we probably need another elementary school. So the cost of buying it with, you know, so there is that kind of argument that that's involved in here and might be
276 00:26:17.490 --> 00:26:18.510 Part of the
277 00:26:19.890 --> 00:26:23.430 Gary: Part of the argument that Kevin bills.
278 00:26:27.570 --> 00:26:28.020 Gary: So,
279 00:26:30.840 --> 00:26:37.110 sean cosgrove: I was not here. I was not present during that you know project that discussion, and I
280 00:26:39.660 --> 00:26:42.360 sean cosgrove: You know, the, the cost of the town.
281 00:26:44.190 --> 00:26:47.190 sean cosgrove: Meeting flyer me not bought it. If it had been
282 00:26:48.330 --> 00:26:50.070 sean cosgrove: All I'm asking about is
283 00:26:51.540 --> 00:26:54.540 sean cosgrove: Usually longer term if
284 00:26:56.280 --> 00:27:00.360 sean cosgrove: Acquisition makes a recommendation to the court at some point.
285 00:27:02.460 --> 00:27:06.690 sean cosgrove: Say it's the next several years for an urgent position.
286 00:27:08.580 --> 00:27:11.730 sean cosgrove: Does the town have the borrowing authority to
287 00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:14.760 sean cosgrove: Make that acquisition
288 00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:18.510 sean cosgrove: It will not raise taxes.
289 00:27:19.770 --> 00:27:20.100 Gary: Well,
290 00:27:21.150 --> 00:27:25.800 Gary: Okay, obviously the tax bill goes to pay for it. And that becomes a
291 00:27:26.790 --> 00:27:27.630 sean cosgrove: Course to to the
292 00:27:27.660 --> 00:27:28.380 For the definitely
293 00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:49.080 Gary: Like Kim Timberlake, maybe you can help me with this. I mean, we are as a town very far below. What are legally legal bonding capacity. Yes. Not that we not that I'm advocating that we use it. But from a legal standpoint, we could borrow quite a bit more
294 00:27:50.280 --> 00:27:51.840 Gary: If that's what your question is
295 00:27:52.890 --> 00:27:53.280 Scott's iPad: No.
296 00:27:53.460 --> 00:27:54.870 sean cosgrove: No, it's not. No, I mean,
297 00:27:56.070 --> 00:28:10.890 sean cosgrove: Number of us on this call, you know, probably to borrow a lot more money than we want to right now. That's not the question. The question is whether the town is strategically position to make an acquisition
298 00:28:12.150 --> 00:28:20.340 sean cosgrove: In a timing that they're not scrambling to to do so, you know, by trying to find more financing.
299 00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:23.610 sean cosgrove: But that's, that's all I'm asking.
300 00:28:24.810 --> 00:28:27.150 Gary: It. I would hope that
301 00:28:28.770 --> 00:28:36.090 Gary: Kevin's process would help clarify, we're, again, we're not approving anything we're just like yesterday.
302 00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:46.230 Carrie Clark: Yeah, I would say that right now. The waiver financially position. I'd say I'm that could be wrong, you can correct me on this, I would say how much anything over a million dollars, we would not be sure
303 00:28:47.100 --> 00:28:56.460 Carrie Clark: But that's what this whole bonding authorization thing we'll do we're going to make a recommendation to the town for selectman, whether it be for 5,000,010 million or whatever.
304 00:28:57.540 --> 00:29:06.840 Carrie Clark: They make the allocation for that amount of money so that we have the monies ready to go when the town is ready to pounce on a piece of property right now I don't, I wouldn't say we could afford anything that
305 00:29:06.840 --> 00:29:07.380 Carrie Clark: Expensive.
306 00:29:07.860 --> 00:29:09.630 Carrie Clark: We would have to go through it. I think the whole
307 00:29:10.770 --> 00:29:11.760 Carrie Clark: voting process.
308 00:29:13.380 --> 00:29:16.500 Gary: Yeah, and we could we could buy $1 million property and the
309 00:29:16.500 --> 00:29:22.470 Gary: Right exactly between what's available and what's in the land acquisition fun. We could do that, but
310 00:29:23.610 --> 00:29:24.930 Gary: Beyond that, I know.
311 00:29:26.280 --> 00:29:36.480 Keith Bishop: Right, I would read that were in a position where we would have to then be going to a special town meeting to allocate and kind of wide referendum or bonding to approve.
312 00:29:38.070 --> 00:29:45.060 Keith Bishop: And then that would hold us up from dealing with a prospective seller and what their timeframe, they'd be and willingness to
313 00:29:48.360 --> 00:29:50.790 sean cosgrove: Make my point, keep on saying that
314 00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:55.080 sean cosgrove: If a seller of a property.
315 00:29:57.210 --> 00:30:08.790 sean cosgrove: Town is not prepared to me by to offer you know you know acceptable timeline that this, this is not the purview of this committee and just
316 00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:17.760 sean cosgrove: For me at this question, which is, you know, town doesn't have to work at
317 00:30:18.930 --> 00:30:23.160 sean cosgrove: You know the acceptable timeline to have solar
318 00:30:25.560 --> 00:30:26.520 sean cosgrove: Just, just
319 00:30:28.350 --> 00:30:28.680 sean cosgrove: Put your
320 00:30:29.730 --> 00:30:30.060 sean cosgrove: Little
321 00:30:30.150 --> 00:30:38.550 Kevin Magee: I think that's why we going after bond authorization is so we can increase that funding so you can jump on something in a timely fashion. That's the reason why they want it.
322 00:30:41.730 --> 00:30:41.910 sean cosgrove: That's
323 00:30:42.810 --> 00:30:44.970 Carrie Clark: Right now, we could not. Okay.
324 00:30:46.830 --> 00:30:48.360 sean cosgrove: If we cannot see.
325 00:30:50.070 --> 00:30:52.680 Gary: All right, I'm with no
326 00:30:53.040 --> 00:31:01.710 Kimberly Brockett: End gear theory I did see your email, I thought I responded to it, but I will be happy to help. If you still want me in that committee.
327 00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:13.710 Gary: Working Group. Absolutely. So with with no objection, I would suggest that we have a working group of Kevin Kim and quite honestly, I would be happy.
328 00:31:15.780 --> 00:31:21.780 Gary: Given my unsuccessful long political career have participated in it.
329 00:31:24.300 --> 00:31:24.840 Gary: So,
330 00:31:26.250 --> 00:31:40.650 Gary: Again, same, the three of us can get together and on some process and quite honestly, I think it's a slower process to Keith gets, you know, the bulk of the list together. So, I mean,
331 00:31:41.850 --> 00:31:49.920 Gary: I mean, I just sort of have 5 million in mind what my mind is as what it was before. But if we look at it at the list that Keith and john
332 00:31:51.060 --> 00:32:03.180 Gary: Sean put together and we find is $8 million of properties that we really think we ought to be talking to maybe that affects the amount of the board and then on the other hand, if there's
333 00:32:03.180 --> 00:32:03.420 Gary: Only
334 00:32:03.450 --> 00:32:07.680 Gary: 2 million. Maybe we keep it in a low number so
335 00:32:08.940 --> 00:32:11.310 Gary: Those two concepts work together. I think
336 00:32:12.810 --> 00:32:26.070 sean cosgrove: You know, I agree. I agree. And I think just taking a you mentioned the written number, I think, you know, whether it's three to five or five, eight years. I think that that's where we should be right, but
337 00:32:26.970 --> 00:32:30.870 Gary: I just, I just want to do some some planning on
338 00:32:32.970 --> 00:32:44.400 Gary: Third thing that I have on my list of to do's on it really starts with Kevin and the plan of conservation and development and whether
339 00:32:45.780 --> 00:32:48.960 Gary: Whether we produce that less than this. This can maybe
340 00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:52.320 Gary: Be for the next meeting, Kevin.
341 00:32:53.730 --> 00:33:04.440 Gary: If you, if you circulated around maybe we get a working I and I honestly I don't know whether it is too simple items on it or 25 complicated items on it.
342 00:33:04.890 --> 00:33:14.640 Gary: But let's get the list out and see what the plan of conservation and development assigned to the land acquisition Commission to do. And so I just
343 00:33:14.850 --> 00:33:18.390 Gary: Let's make sure we've just completed those processes.
344 00:33:19.170 --> 00:33:20.310 Kevin Magee: Okay, that's easy.
345 00:33:21.660 --> 00:33:22.320 Gary: Um,
346 00:33:25.110 --> 00:33:29.820 Gary: So that's what I'm looking at in terms of organization and
347 00:33:31.740 --> 00:33:44.790 Gary: If anybody else has anything that was that they want to add to the process either this meeting or the next meeting. Um, I just think it gives us some structure, other than all of us just showing up once a month and and reacting to things.
348 00:33:45.660 --> 00:33:46.080 Carrie Clark: Like it
349 00:33:48.690 --> 00:33:54.690 Gary: Okay approval of bills Kathy. What do you have
350 00:33:58.710 --> 00:33:59.310 sean cosgrove: Zero.
351 00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:03.000 Gary: Kathy.
352 00:34:05.130 --> 00:34:07.560 Carrie Clark: Bill ever. She's muted.
353 00:34:08.640 --> 00:34:10.350 Gary: Kathy. Kathy. Can you hear us.
354 00:34:12.720 --> 00:34:19.200 Kathy.: Yes, no bail know bill this month we canceled last month and I had already gotten paid for it. I'll
355 00:34:19.500 --> 00:34:20.280 Gary: I'll give our next
356 00:34:23.910 --> 00:34:27.420 Gary: We are financially responsible for, you know, expansion.
357 00:34:29.670 --> 00:34:31.110 Carrie Clark: Motion to pay that bill.
358 00:34:34.230 --> 00:34:35.040 sean cosgrove: Zero Spence
359 00:34:35.070 --> 00:34:35.460 Carrie Clark: Commercial
360 00:34:35.970 --> 00:34:36.480 sean cosgrove: I like that.
361 00:34:37.500 --> 00:34:51.360 Gary: Alright, so the last thing on his priority property updates and Kathy, I would be happy to give the Commission a couple of updates. There is no action that we will take from this
362 00:34:51.900 --> 00:35:04.200 Gary: It would just be a matter of update. So I would propose that we go into Executive Session, regarding negotiations, I will update you and then we will we will come out of Executive Session, and adjourn. Yeah.
363 00:35:04.290 --> 00:35:04.800 Gary
364 00:35:05.820 --> 00:35:10.770 Kevin Magee: Gary, what I like to things for the property updates before that.
365 00:35:11.010 --> 00:35:13.500 Gary: Okay, Kevin's done some property update. Sorry.
366 00:35:13.530 --> 00:35:15.030 Kevin Magee: Before we lose Kathy there.
367 00:35:15.540 --> 00:35:16.260 Kathy.: Okay, yeah.
368 00:35:17.370 --> 00:35:26.610 Kevin Magee: So I'm just a pass on the board here peddlers rich conservation easement know is approved that town meeting on Tuesday.
369 00:35:27.660 --> 00:35:29.280 Kevin Magee: So be working with the
370 00:35:33.300 --> 00:35:33.990 Gary: Developer
371 00:35:37.500 --> 00:35:40.650 Gary: We lost you, Kevin. Finish your sentence. Where'd you go
372 00:35:42.150 --> 00:35:42.480 To
373 00:35:46.260 --> 00:35:46.950 Scott's iPad: Is gone
374 00:35:48.720 --> 00:35:51.150 sean cosgrove: What happened. He's coming back.
375 00:35:52.260 --> 00:35:56.550 Keith Bishop: He's just a red.is hosting the meeting and lol died.
376 00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:00.330 Gary: Really rocket is now.
377 00:36:01.980 --> 00:36:02.580 Kimberly Brockett: Oh,
378 00:36:02.970 --> 00:36:08.220 Gary: No. How did Kevin, how did the host lose his own way in
379 00:36:09.900 --> 00:36:11.550 Kevin Magee: I guess dropped out here somehow
380 00:36:11.820 --> 00:36:13.530 Kevin Magee: I've been dropping out for some reason tonight.
381 00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:14.700 Kevin Magee: I don't know what's up my
382 00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:15.870 Kevin Magee: Network here.
383 00:36:17.550 --> 00:36:20.730 Kevin Magee: I'm to penetrate and then the great hill some
384 00:36:22.230 --> 00:36:26.970 Kevin Magee: Some development conservation and even also spend filed on the land records.
385 00:36:27.330 --> 00:36:27.870 Okay.
386 00:36:30.540 --> 00:36:41.010 Gary: Looking down my my list. Actually, I had, I did have one more thing to add to our sort of other business Kevin had suggested
387 00:36:42.450 --> 00:36:43.230 Gary: That
388 00:36:44.310 --> 00:36:56.340 Gary: As long as we're zooming. It might be quite easy to get some of the state agencies that have some funding, like the Department of Agriculture, or
389 00:36:57.870 --> 00:36:58.320 Gary: Maybe
390 00:37:00.090 --> 00:37:13.230 Gary: The water or whatever the Long Island Sound group which has some funding or Matt. Matt has been sending us some stuff on the D. C. D brownfield
391 00:37:13.890 --> 00:37:19.200 Gary: And Kevin raise it to me that maybe we can get schedule, you know,
392 00:37:19.740 --> 00:37:31.590 Gary: 740 at some meeting one of these folks to give us a 10 minute summary of what their program is and how we can access it because that's obviously a way to leverage some of our funds.
393 00:37:32.070 --> 00:37:47.370 Gary: If we're if we're buying agricultural land or waterfront land or stuff like that. I thought that was a great idea. If everyone else thinks so. I would certainly be willing to spend a few minutes every meeting, listening to somebody who has a source of money.
394 00:37:52.590 --> 00:37:54.630 Carrie Clark: Okay, go. Absolutely. Great idea.
395 00:37:55.470 --> 00:38:04.680 Gary: So Kevin, you raise your hand, you, you got to find those you're going to find some people and add them to the meeting when you can
396 00:38:05.070 --> 00:38:05.340 You know,
397 00:38:06.420 --> 00:38:07.920 sean cosgrove: Just make sure they have some money.
398 00:38:09.120 --> 00:38:09.570 Kevin Magee: Yeah.
399 00:38:10.740 --> 00:38:13.890 Gary: Well, you know, it's interesting because I did have a talk.
400 00:38:15.030 --> 00:38:19.230 Gary: With David Kozak who's Long Island Sound program.
401 00:38:21.390 --> 00:38:32.490 Gary: A month or so ago because he he's a friend of ours. He was very helpful in the East River preserved process so i. So, how you fix for money. He said, You know, every department in the state.
402 00:38:33.450 --> 00:38:44.370 Gary: Is calling me to see if I've got money so everybody's scrounging around among the departments to see who has money, whether they could borrow it from this department or that department. But what we got.
403 00:38:46.470 --> 00:38:51.900 Gary: From Matt a couple days ago was that DCD bonding money was funded
404 00:38:52.740 --> 00:38:55.560 sean cosgrove: Look, let's let's get in line, if we
405 00:38:55.650 --> 00:38:56.340 Gary: Have you
406 00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:14.460 Gary: So that's, that's, I thought a great idea. So I can't imagine we won't we'll enjoy listening to these folks and as Kevin said they don't have to drive down here and drive back. They can just plug in for 10 minutes, right. So thank you, Kevin.
407 00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:15.810 Kevin Magee: All right.
408 00:39:16.560 --> 00:39:30.180 Gary: With that, um, we can say goodnight to Kathy go into executive session only take a couple of minutes, I think, unless people have a lot of questions and we will adjourn.
409 00:39:31.080 --> 00:39:31.350 I
410 00:39:34.530 --> 00:39:34.860 Did
411 00:39:37.230 --> 00:39:39.360 Gary: I guess we're in Executive Session. Kathy left
412 00:39:40.410 --> 00:39:40.890 Gary: On
413 00:39:41.970 --> 00:39:43.860 Gary: The two items ongoing
414 00:39:44.610 --> 00:39:46.290 Kevin Magee: Who is the phone number there.
415 00:39:46.560 --> 00:39:48.210 sean cosgrove: My only question is, if we have
416 00:39:49.560 --> 00:39:52.770 sean cosgrove: Four or 571938 years
417 00:39:54.210 --> 00:39:55.260 Carrie Clark: He dropped them off, Kevin.
418 00:39:57.600 --> 00:39:58.920 Scott's iPad: And. Should we still be recording
419 00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:02.160 Kevin Magee: Got me job recording here.
420 00:40:02.520 --> 00:40:04.950 sean cosgrove: We'll just find out who it is.
421 00:40:08.370 --> 00:40:15.120 Gary: If there is, I guess there's no public comment. So I guess if nobody has anything else except the motion to adjourn.
422 00:40:16.050 --> 00:40:26.520 Gary: Oh, thank you all stays late already well maybe one of these days. We'll get to me. We get to meet together. I did get an email.
423 00:40:27.930 --> 00:40:31.290 Gary: The Community Center is opening up
424 00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:35.010 Gary: To a certain level for for public meetings.
425 00:40:38.370 --> 00:40:45.780 Gary: I made maybe in a month or two, we see what happens. I'll circulate something if everybody's comfortable. We did do it.
426 00:40:47.580 --> 00:40:52.710 Gary: I'm not sure I'm comfortable, I, I'm in the target population, I'm