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House of Commons Culture, Media and Sport Committee The Future of the Science Museum Group Oral and written evidence 2 July 2013 Mr Edward Vaizey MP, Ian Blatchford, Tony Reeves, Kersten England and Vicky Rosin Ordered by The House of Commons to be printed 2 July 2013 HC 507-i Published on 31 January 2014 by authority of the House of Commons London: The Stationery Office Limited £11.50 The Culture, Media and Sport Committee The Culture, Media and Sport Committee is appointed by the House of Commons to examine the expenditure, administration and policy of the Department for Culture, Media and Sport and its associated public bodies. Current membership Mr John Whittingdale MP (Conservative, Maldon) (Chair) Mr Ben Bradshaw MP (Labour, Exeter) Angie Bray MP (Conservative, Ealing Central and Acton) Conor Burns MP (Conservative, Bournemouth West) Tracey Crouch MP (Conservative, Chatham and Aylesford) Philip Davies MP (Conservative, Shipley) Paul Farrelly MP (Labour, Newcastle-under-Lyme) Mr John Leech MP (Liberal Democrat, Manchester, Withington) Steve Rotheram MP (Labour, Liverpool, Walton) Jim Sheridan MP (Labour, Paisley and Renfrewshire North) Mr Gerry Sutcliffe MP (Labour, Bradford South) The following members were also a member of the committee during the parliament: David Cairns MP (Labour, Inverclyde) Dr Thérèse Coffey MP (Conservative, Suffolk Coastal) Damian Collins MP (Conservative, Folkestone and Hythe) Alan Keen MP (Labour Co-operative, Feltham and Heston) Louise Mensch MP (Conservative, Corby) Mr Adrian Sanders MP (Liberal Democrat, Torbay) Mr Tom Watson MP (Labour, West Bromwich East) Powers The committee is one of the departmental select committees, the powers of which are set out in House of Commons Standing Orders, principally in SO No 152. 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Contacts All correspondence should be addressed to the Clerk of the Culture, Media and Sport Committee, House of Commons, 7 Millbank, London SW1P 3JA. The telephone number for general enquiries is 020 7219 6188; the Committee’s email address is [email protected] List of witnesses Tuesday 2 July 2013 Page Mr Edward Vaizey MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Culture, Communications and Creative Industries Ev 1 Ian Blatchford, Director, Science Museum Group Ev 6 Tony Reeves, Chief Executive, City of Bradford Metropolitan District Council, Kersten England, Chief Executive, City of York Council, and Vicky Rosin, Deputy Chief Executive, Manchester City Council Ev 14 List of written evidence 1 Michael Bailey Ev 22 2 John Howat Ev 22 3 David Fildes Ev 22 4 Joseph Pugh Ev 23 5 Gawaine Meechan Ev 23 6 Dr Patrick Greene Ev 23 7 Peter Turvey Ev 24 8 Brian Russell Ev 24 9 Richard Ross Ev 25 10 Dr Pete Waterman Ev 25 11 Tom Wooley Ev 26 12 Sir Neil Cossons Ev 27 13 Prospect Ev 28 14 Liberal Democratic Group, City of York Council Ev 31 15 Royal Society Ev 31 16 Royal Institution Ev 32 17 Royal Academy of Engineering Ev 32 18 Museums Association Ev 33 19 Campaign for Science and Engineering Ev 36 20 Public and Commercial Services Union Ev 37 21 Arts Council England Ev 38 22 National Museum Directors’ Council Ev 40 23 Department for Culture, Media and Sport Ev 45 24 Science Museum Group Ev 47 25 Mark Charnley Ev 56 26 Provident plc Ev 56 27 Wellcome Trust Ev 57 cobber Pack: U PL: COE1 [SO] Processed: [30-01-2014 10:08] Job: 035034 Unit: PG01 Source: /MILES/PKU/INPUT/035034/035034_o001_odeth_CMSC 02.07.13.xml Culture, Media and Sport Committee: Evidence Ev 1 Oral evidence Taken before the Culture, Media and Sport Committee on Tuesday 2 July 2013 Members present: Mr John Whittingdale (Chair) Tracey Crouch Steve Rotheram Philip Davies Jim Sheridan Mr John Leech Mr Gerry Sutcliffe ________________ Examination of Witness Witness: Mr Ed Vaizey MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Culture, Communications and Creative Industries, gave evidence. Q1 Chair: Good morning. This morning the Q2 Mr Sutcliffe: Thank you, Chairman. Good Committee is holding a special session on the future morning, Minister. On 8 April, the DCMS outlined of the Science Museum Group, and I would like to the timetable for the settlements, and a Commission welcome first the Minister for Communications and letter went out. You asked the SMG to model the Creative Industries, Ed Vaizey. Perhaps you would impact of cuts of 5%, 10% and 15% and to return by just like to begin by giving us your view now that we 18 April what their proposals were. On 23 April, you know the elements of the Comprehensive Spending met with the Director of the Science Museum Group Review and the DCMS settlement, because when this to talk about the National Media Museum. Why just issue first arose there was a little bit of speculation the National Media Museum and not the other about what it was going to contain. Now we know the museums in the group? Why specifically about them? facts, how do you see that affecting the museum Mr Vaizey: We talked about a range of things. First, sector? let me begin by saying thank you to Mr Sutcliffe, who Mr Vaizey: I think the Secretary of State, Maria has been very helpful throughout this process. I think Miller, secured a very good settlement with the this is my fifth parliamentary occasion in the last three Treasury. It has always been the case when we have weeks when we have had an opportunity to discuss been dealing with the reduction in funding for arts and the future of the Science Museum Group, but I have museums that we have sought to protect the frontline, said on the record many times that both Mr Sutcliffe and other local MPs have been very helpful in this which is a slightly bureaucratic phrase, but what it issue and there has been no grandstanding or playing means is that money that goes directly to organisations politics. I would not have expected anything less, but that deliver the arts, we have tried to reduce the cuts. I just wanted to put that on the record. In the 2010 spending round, we kept the cuts to I think it is well known that the Science Museum national museums down to 15%, even though our Group has a number of institutions that it supports, overall cut was around 30%. This time Maria Miller MOSI being one, the National Media Museum as well secured a 5% ring-fence for cuts to the national as the Science Museum and the National Railway museums. While any cut is unwelcome, I think it is Museum, but it is well known that in particular the within the bounds of reasonableness and should give National Media Museum has seen a significant drop the Science Museum Group and other national in visitors. I think that it was worth having a museums some comfort and the opportunity to discussion to look at what options were available to continue to do the excellent work they do. reboot the National Media Museum, if I can put it The other point I would add is that we continue to that way. make reforms in cultural policy that will have an Mr Sutcliffe: It was a specific meeting about the impact on museums, and one of the reforms that the Media Museum rather than the other members of Chancellor announced as part of the spending review the— was a package of freedoms for museums. They are Mr Vaizey: That was the main focus of the treated effectively as public-sector institutions by the conversation. Office of National Statistics, so their spending counts as public spending, but what we have been able to do Q3 Mr Sutcliffe: What was your view then of the is look at a package of measures that, when press furore and MPs’ furore when the announcements implemented, will hopefully give them a degree of were made that the three museums in the north might financial freedom, both in terms of setting their pay close, or one of them might close? rates, but also the opportunity to borrow in order to Mr Vaizey: If I am being honest, Mr Sutcliffe, I regret invest. perhaps not speaking out earlier. When the furore Chair: Okay; thank you. As you are aware, three of broke at the beginning of June, we were obviously my colleagues represent constituencies that host some three weeks away from the settlement. I knew museums within the Science Group. To some extent, then obviously that we were lobbying very hard with I shall defer now to them. the Treasury to get a good settlement for our national cobber Pack: U PL: COE1 [E] Processed: [30-01-2014 10:08] Job: 035034 Unit: PG01 Source: /MILES/PKU/INPUT/035034/035034_o001_odeth_CMSC 02.07.13.xml Ev 2 Culture, Media and Sport Committee: Evidence 2 July 2013 Mr Ed Vaizey MP museums, but obviously I could not be confident.