Let Me Just Add That While the Piece in Newsweek Is Extremely Annoying
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From: Michael Oppenheimer To: Eric Steig; Stephen H Schneider Cc: Gabi Hegerl; Mark B Boslough; [email protected]; Thomas Crowley; Dr. Krishna AchutaRao; Myles Allen; Natalia Andronova; Tim C Atkinson; Rick Anthes; Caspar Ammann; David C. Bader; Tim Barnett; Eric Barron; Graham" "Bench; Pat Berge; George Boer; Celine J. W. Bonfils; James A." "Bono; James Boyle; Ray Bradley; Robin Bravender; Keith Briffa; Wolfgang Brueggemann; Lisa Butler; Ken Caldeira; Peter Caldwell; Dan Cayan; Peter U. Clark; Amy Clement; Nancy Cole; William Collins; Tina Conrad; Curtis Covey; birte dar; Davies Trevor Prof; Jay Davis; Tomas Diaz De La Rubia; Andrew Dessler; Michael" "Dettinger; Phil Duffy; Paul J." "Ehlenbach; Kerry Emanuel; James Estes; Veronika" "Eyring; David Fahey; Chris Field; Peter Foukal; Melissa Free; Julio Friedmann; Bill Fulkerson; Inez Fung; Jeff Garberson; PETER GENT; Nathan Gillett; peter gleckler; Bill Goldstein; Hal Graboske; Tom Guilderson; Leopold Haimberger; Alex Hall; James Hansen; harvey; Klaus Hasselmann; Susan Joy Hassol; Isaac Held; Bob Hirschfeld; Jeremy Hobbs; Dr. Elisabeth A. Holland; Greg Holland; Brian Hoskins; mhughes; James Hurrell; Ken Jackson; c jakob; Gardar Johannesson; Philip D. Jones; Helen Kang; Thomas R Karl; David Karoly; Jeffrey Kiehl; Steve Klein; Knutti Reto; John Lanzante; [email protected]; Ron Lehman; John lewis; Steven A. "Lloyd (GSFC-610.2)[R S INFORMATION SYSTEMS INC]"; Jane Long; Janice Lough; mann; [email protected]; Linda Mearns; carl mears; Jerry Meehl; Jerry Melillo; George Miller; Norman Miller; Art Mirin; John FB" "Mitchell; Phil Mote; Neville Nicholls; Gerald R. North; Astrid E.J. Ogilvie; Stephanie Ohshita; Tim Osborn; Stu" "Ostro; j palutikof; Joyce Penner; Thomas C Peterson; Tom Phillips; David Pierce; [email protected]; V. Ramaswamy; Veerabhadran" "Ramanathan; Sarah Raper; Phil Rasch; Kathryn Rauhut; Doug Rotman; Terry L. Root; Robert "Sausen, DLR"; jsanter; John Schellnhuber; David Schimel; Michael Schlesinger; Gavin Schmidt; Christina L. Schomer; Lynda Seaver; Dian J. Seidel; Ted Sheppard; s sherwood; Adrian Simmons; socci anthony; brian soden; Susan Solomon; Ken Sperber; Anne Stark; Thomas Stocker; Ronald J Stouffer; [email protected]; Karl Taylor; claudia tebaldi; Joao P" "Teixeira; Simon Tett; Thomas A." "Tombrello; David Thompson; Lonnie Thompson; ELLEN THOMPSON; Peter" "Thorne; Mike Wallace; Bud Ward; David "Warrilow (GA)"; Warren Washington; Andrew Weaver; Michael Wehner; Frank Wentz; Penny" "Whetton; Dean N. Williams; Gordon Yano; Francis W. Zwiers; Erik M" "Conway; Sanjay Khanna; Graham Cogley; Jeffrey Kargel; W. Crawford Elliott; John Weyant; Anthony Janetos; Alison" "Sowden; Vernon Squire; Eric Garen; Peter Cross; Charles Zeller; Ian Murdock; Victoria A Arroyo; Rashida Leonard; Stephanie Fontenoy; John Collee; Sarah-jane Potts; Greg Dutton; ; Richard B. Rood; Brien Seeley; Mark Seeley; Oliver Morton; dh ; Cheryl H; Richard" "Somerville; Martin Heimann; Don Kennedy; Heidi Cullen; Shari Bell; Rebecca Bratspies; Pete Myers; Michael Oppenheimer; Naomi Oreskes; Boslough; Ben Santer; Tom Wigley; [email protected] Subject: RE: response to Newsweek Date: Monday, May 31, 2010 11:09:09 PM ALL: Let me just add that while the piece in Newsweek is extremely annoying, and my general view is that such attacks should not go unanswered, I suggest not spending a large amount of time on it, such as group letters often take. A primary reason for pushing back on this sort of thing is to chasten and educate the journalists and editors responsible. Few of the original readers see the rejoinder. But Newsweek is no longer what it once was, and may not be around for long. Detailed letters don’t get printed anyway. There are lots of fires to put out, and this isn't necessarily the biggest. So it would be a better use of everyone's time if only one or two of this group, those who feel moved to do so, respond with a few sentences, individually. Michael Michael Oppenheimer Albert G. Milbank Professor of Geosciences and International Affairs Department of Geosciences and Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs Robertson Hall 448 Princeton University Princeton, NJ 08544 Tel: 609-258-2338 Fax: 609-258-6082 Website: http://www.princeton.edu/step/people/faculty/michael-oppenheimer/ -----Original Message----- From: Eric Steig [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 9:06 PM To: Stephen H Schneider Cc: Gabi Hegerl; Mark B Boslough; [email protected]; Thomas Crowley; Dr. Krishna AchutaRao; Myles Allen; Natalia Andronova; Tim C Atkinson; Rick Anthes; Caspar Ammann; David C. Bader; Tim Barnett; Eric Barron; Graham' 'Bench; Pat Berge; George Boer; Celine J. W. Bonfils; James A.' 'Bono; James Boyle; Ray Bradley; Robin Bravender; Keith Briffa; Wolfgang Brueggemann; Lisa Butler; Ken Caldeira; Peter Caldwell; Dan Cayan; Peter U. Clark; Amy Clement; Nancy Cole; William Collins; Tina Conrad; Curtis Covey; birte dar; Davies Trevor Prof; Jay Davis; Tomas Diaz De La Rubia; Andrew Dessler; Michael' 'Dettinger; Phil Duffy; Paul J.' 'Ehlenbach; Kerry Emanuel; James Estes; Veronika' 'Eyring; David Fahey; Chris Field; Peter Foukal; Melissa Free; Julio Friedmann; Bill Fulkerson; Inez Fung; Jeff Garberson; PETER GENT; Nathan Gillett; peter gleckler; Bill Goldstein; Hal Graboske; Tom Guilderson; Leopold Haimberger; Alex Hall; James Hansen; harvey; Klaus Hasselmann; Susan Joy Hassol; Isaac Held; Bob Hirschfeld; Jeremy Hobbs; Dr. Elisabeth A. Holland; Greg Holland; Brian Hoskins; mhughes; James Hurrell; Ken Jackson; c jakob; Gardar Johannesson; Philip D. Jones; Helen Kang; Thomas R Karl; David Karoly; Jeffrey Kiehl; Steve Klein; Knutti Reto; John Lanzante; [email protected]; Ron Lehman; John lewis; Steven A. 'Lloyd (GSFC-610.2)[R S INFORMATION SYSTEMS INC]'; Jane Long; Janice Lough; mann; [email protected]; Linda Mearns; carl mears; Jerry Meehl; Jerry Melillo; George Miller; Norman Miller; Art Mirin; John FB' 'Mitchell; Phil Mote; Neville Nicholls; Gerald R. North; Astrid E.J. Ogilvie; Stephanie Ohshita; Tim Osborn; Stu' 'Ostro; j palutikof; Joyce Penner; Thomas C Peterson; Tom Phillips; David Pierce; [email protected]; V. Ramaswamy; Veerabhadran' 'Ramanathan; Sarah Raper; Phil Rasch; Kathryn Rauhut; Doug Rotman; Terry L. Root; Robert 'Sausen, DLR'; jsanter; John Schellnhuber; David Schimel; Michael Schlesinger; Gavin Schmidt; Christina L. Schomer; Lynda Seaver; Dian J. Seidel; Ted Sheppard; s sherwood; Adrian Simmons; socci anthony; brian soden; Susan Solomon; Ken Sperber; Anne Stark; Thomas Stocker; Ronald J Stouffer; [email protected]; Karl Taylor; claudia tebaldi; Joao P' 'Teixeira; Simon Tett; Thomas A.' 'Tombrello; David Thompson; Lonnie Thompson; ELLEN THOMPSON; Peter' 'Thorne; Mike Wallace; Bud Ward; David 'Warrilow (GA)'; Warren Washington; Andrew Weaver; Michael Wehner; Frank Wentz; Penny' 'Whetton; Dean N. Williams; Gordon Yano; Francis W. Zwiers; Erik M' 'Conway; Sanjay Khanna; Graham Cogley; Jeffrey Kargel; W. Crawford Elliott; John Weyant; Anthony Janetos; Alison' 'Sowden; Vernon Squire; Eric Garen; Peter Cross; Charles Zeller; Ian Murdock; Victoria A Arroyo; Rashida Leonard; Stephanie Fontenoy; John Collee; Sarah-jane Potts; Greg Dutton; ; Richard B. Rood; Brien Seeley; Mark Seeley; Oliver Morton; Cheryl_H; Richard' 'Somerville; Martin Heimann; Don Kennedy; Heidi Cullen; Shari Bell; Rebecca Bratspies; Pete Myers; Michael Oppenheimer; Naomi Oreskes; Boslough; Ben Santer; Tom Wigley; [email protected] Subject: Re: response to Newsweek Steve, I wholeheartedly agree of course. My point is mostly that we shouldn't bother responding in detail to this particular attack on scientists' credibility -- short of perhaps pointing out it is old, tired, and unsubstantiated. Since the editorial says that we are 'defensive' it is particularly important not to come across as defensive in this case. What I don't think is working though is continuously insist that 'we have done nothing wrong' (even though it is mostly true). Ok, enough from me. I'll be slicing up ice in the freezer at the National Ice Core Lab. (The Wall Street Journal had a 'nice' article today claiming that this work -- on the new 'WAIS Divide' ice core will solve the question of whether CO2 leads temperature or the reverse. Dick Lindzen and John Christy were the two 'experts' they interviewed. Hmm,. Eric Stephen H Schneider wrote: > Though I agree with that Eric, and we must always point out the best science as you rightly say, there is much social science literature that shows this will not by itself do much at all in the "out there" political debate. "Truth" wins in the end, but sometimes takes a generation or two to percolate into public consciousness and political action. I think it is a fact of life we had better not forget that political institutions and the mainstream media--broken institutions that they may be--are much more interested in "who can be trusted" than "what is the best science"--to be empirical, that framing of who to trust is ~80% of the questions I get from the media, congressional staff, etc, and I assure you it is hard work in these interviews for me to get them to re-frame their thinking to what is the science, and away from are the scientists trustworthy or any different in credibility from the "other side". > > Don't let us be naive about that--it is perception of the credibility of various claimants of "reality" that they focus on, not complex details dealing with the confidence we have in various scientific conclusions- -our "day job" at NAS, IPCC etc. Of course we should explain the