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Monday Volume 585 8 September 2014 No. 34 HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD) Monday 8 September 2014 £5·00 © Parliamentary Copyright House of Commons 2014 This publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Open Parliament licence, which is published at www.parliament.uk/site-information/copyright/. 633 8 SEPTEMBER 2014 634 The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for House of Commons Communities and Local Government (Penny Mordaunt): Since taking office I have had several meetings with the Monday 8 September 2014 Fire Brigades Union, the Retained Firefighters Union, the Fire Officers Association and the women’s committee of the FBU. Further meetings are in the diary. It is only The House met at half-past Two o’clock through such discussions that we will bring the dispute to an end. PRAYERS Jim Fitzpatrick: I welcome the Minister to her post, although I notice that she failed to answer the question— [MR SPEAKER in the Chair] that is a great start to her ministerial career. The Minister has made positive comments during her BUSINESS BEFORE QUESTIONS visits to fire stations throughout the country. The Government commissioned the Williams review on the DEATH OF A MEMBER impact of medical retirements for firefighters aged between 50 and 60, and especially the impact on women. Do the Mr Speaker: It is with great sadness that I have to Government accept the need for minimum fitness standards? announce the sudden death of our colleague Jim Dobbin, Member of Parliament for Heywood and Middleton, while on a Council of Europe trip to Poland. Before Penny Mordaunt: There need to be minimum fitness being elected to the House in 1997, Jim worked as a standards. That is a priority for me, and it is key to microbiologist for 33 years. He was elected as a councillor bringing the dispute to an end, so we need to consider to the metropolitan borough of Rochdale council in carefully how firefighters who wish to maintain operational 1983, becoming group leader in 1994. Jim was an assiduous, roles can be appropriately supported to maintain their independent-minded and principled parliamentarian who fitness standards. I have asked the chief fire and rescue enjoyed respect on both sides of the House. He will be adviser to chair a working group to examine these issues sadly missed. We send our condolences to Jim’s wife of in detail, and I expect that group to meet later this 50 years, Pat, and their four children: Patrick, Barry, month. I also requested, and have had, a meeting with Mary and Kerry. the FBU women’s committee regarding its concerns about fitness. NEW WRIT Stephen Mosley (City of Chester) (Con): As the number Ordered, of fires has gone down, firefighters’ roles have changed. That Mr Speaker do issue his Warrant to the Clerk of the For example, Cheshire fire and rescue works with the Crown to make out a new Writ for the electing of a Member to Prince’s Trust to support young people into work, and it serve in this present Parliament for the County constituency of Clacton, in the room of John Douglas Wilson Carswell, who is fitting fire alarms in old people’s homes and working since his election for the said County constituency has been to reduce antisocial behaviour. Is it not right that as the appointed to the office of Steward or Bailiff of Her Majesty’s role of firefighters expands, we look at their terms and Manor of Northstead in the County of York.—(Michael Gove.) conditions to ensure that there are the right skills in fire services so that they can move forward? Speaker’s Statement Penny Mordaunt: My hon. Friend is absolutely right. Mr Speaker: Following the third Division on Friday Some of the best ideas for developing roles in the fire afternoon, in relation to the committal of the Affordable service have come from firefighters themselves, and they Homes Bill to a Select Committee, the Chair received a are at the head of the queue of people who want to report from the hon. Member for Alyn and Deeside remove the obstacles to change and reform. I am pleased (Mark Tami) that the hon. Gentleman had been unable that the review has already received a very large number to vote as the Division Clerks and Tellers had left the of replies to the consultation, and some great ideas have Lobby. Having investigated the matter, I am content to emerged from that. direct the Clerk to correct the numbers voting in the Division accordingly. The Ayes were 236 and the Noes Kate Hoey (Vauxhall) (Lab): I welcome the Minister were 265. to her position. I hope that she will bring a bit of common sense and rationality to this long dispute over pensions, but does she not agree that morale is very low among all those working in fire and rescue services Oral Answers to Questions across the country, not just because of pensions, but because of the age issue that has already been mentioned and the reductions in numbers in front-line fire services? COMMUNITIES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT We have to recognise that there is support for these men and women across the country. The Secretary of State was asked— Penny Mordaunt: I thank the hon. Lady for her warm Fire Service Pensions welcome. I take issue with her claim that morale is low. I have made going out and seeing firefighters and chiefs a 1. Jim Fitzpatrick (Poplar and Limehouse) (Lab): priority in the short time I have been in office—in fact, What progress has been made in negotiations to settle just this weekend, I was up with the west midlands the fire service pensions dispute. [905198] service. I asked them about morale and was told that 635 Oral Answers8 SEPTEMBER 2014 Oral Answers 636 morale is good. Clearly, everyone will benefit from the content that under his Government the dream of home dispute being brought to a close, but actually morale is ownership will be out of reach of millions of families in good and we need to keep it good, to keep firefighters this country? engaged with the reforms the service needs. Brandon Lewis: I am slightly surprised by the hon. James Morris (Halesowen and Rowley Regis) (Con): Lady’s question, given that under the previous I welcome the Minister to her place and thank her for Administration the number of affordable rental homes visiting my constituency on Saturday. We had what I fell by 420,000 and under this Government, since 2010, think were constructive discussions with local firefighters, we have got about 480,000 new homes built. To be clear, as well as celebrating the launch of the Haden Cross and contradicting something she said, average rents are community fire station. Does she agree that the new fire down in real terms year on year under this Government. station is a splendid example of a station that will serve Mark Pawsey (Rugby) (Con): Does the Minister agree the people of Halesowen and Rowley Regis and allow that the way to improve stability and affordability in the firefighters to do an effective job for my community? private rented sector is for local authorities to make more land available for housing? That is happening in Penny Mordaunt: I was pleased to be part of that my constituency, where we are delivering new housing wonderful community event. It is a fantastic new facility, at double the rate seen in the country as a whole. not just supplying state-of-the-art services to the fire and rescue services and as a base for other blue light Brandon Lewis: My hon. Friend is absolutely right. services, but available for use by the local community as The affordable homes programme is on track to deliver well. I had a wonderful day and I look forward very 170,000 new affordable homes between 2011 and 2015. much to going back and doing more with that fire It is important that we keep on top of that and keep service. moving forward with the new homes that we need. Andy Sawford (Corby) (Lab/Co-op): Mr Speaker, I Mr Nick Raynsford (Greenwich and Woolwich) (Lab): am sure the whole House echoes your sentiments about May I draw attention to my interests as declared in the our colleague, Jim Dobbin. register? In its consultation earlier this year on the I too welcome the Minister to her post. The Government’s future of the private rented sector, the Minister’s dispute with firefighters has now been ongoing for Department proposed the possibility of extending a 1,091 days and there have been 31 strikes. Can she requirement to have working smoke alarms fitted in all explain why her predecessor and colleague failed to private rented units. I understand that there has been bring the dispute to an end and what she will now do overwhelming support for that in the response to the differently? consultation, and I would welcome an indication from the Minister as to when the Government intend to act on this recommendation. Penny Mordaunt: I thank the hon. Gentleman for his words of welcome. Resolving the dispute is a key priority Brandon Lewis: As soon as we are ready to respond to for the Government. I have some advantages that my that consultation, the right hon. Gentleman will be predecessor did not have: when he entered office, we did among the first to know. not have the Williams report, the Knight review and other such reports that enable me and others to make Jeremy Corbyn (Islington North) (Lab): Will the evidence-based judgments.