-73 - August 1995 ISSN 0146-0269 Volume 18, Number 106 TTHHEE GGRRAAVVEESS FFAAMMIILLYY NNEEWWSSLLEETTTTEERR CONTENTS Graves Family News................................ 73 Beware Misleading Advertising from GRAVES FAMILY NEWS Halbert’s............................................... 73 Queries in the Newsletter ........................ 74 Mrs. Waneta I. Addington, 345 Green St., Correction to June Newsletter.................. 74 Tipton, IN 46072-1231, descended from Origin of Deacon George Grave(s) .......... 74 JAMES GRAVES of Cambridgeshire, Anson Co., NC Book Available ................ 75 England, has 2 more great-granddaughters, Graves Family Books............................... 75 born to Nancy (Collins) Yinst and Anthony Follow-up to the Croshaw/Crenshaw Article Yinst. They are Sarah Elizabeth Yinst, b. 18 in the June GFNL................................. 75 Dec. 1992, and Sydney Parke Yinst, b. 5 Dec. Report on Trip to England........................ 75 1994. Life Membership Now Available............... 77 Address Changes .................................... 77 Mrs. Lynne E. Day, 581 Bradford St., Membership Directory Updates ............... 77 Pasadena, CA 91105, descended from JOHN Descendants of Parents of George Graves GRAVES of Concord, MA, wrote that their and Sarah Barber of Lincolnshire, England................................................ 78 newest granddaughter, Gwen Marie Massett, Descendants of William Greaves of was born May 25, 1995 in Pasadena, CA to Greenhill, Norton, South Yorkshire, Suzanne and Michael Massett. England................................................ 82 Questions and Information....................... 84 We were very sorry to hear of the death of Ancestor Chart of William Hughes Graves Mrs. Clifford H. Darrow (Mabelle C. III of SC & MS ...................................... 84 Darrow) on June 27 1995. She was Chart of Part of the Graves/Greaves Family descended from Capt. THOMAS GRAVES of of St. Mary’s Co., MD........................... 85 VA. She had been in a nursing home while Descendants of William R. Graves and recuperating from a fall, had cardiac arrest, Narcissus Hubbard of MO & IL ............ 86 and died enroute to the hospital. Ancestor Chart of Kathryn Elizabeth (Finlay) Foord of NY & CA ................... 87 Descendants of Thomas Greaves and BEWARE MISLEADING ADVERTISING Sarah Blackford of Elmbridge and FROM HALBERT’S Ombersley, near Droitwich, Worcestershire, England...................... 88 Several people have sent information about Ancestor Chart of Elizabeth Graves of TN & a mailing they have received from Russell T. KS ........................................................ 93 Graves, Director, Bath, OH, concerning a Descendants of ------ Graves and Jane B. “new book”, The World Book of Graves. Elliott of VA, AL, MO & TX ................... 95 This book is published by Halbert’s, and Ancestry of Caroline Kay Jones Breeding 96 Russell T. Graves probably does not exist. -74 - Halbert’s publishes a similar book for non-member) may submit a query for hundreds of family names, and they reuse most publication in the newsletter. All queries of the material in all their books. Many people should have something to do with a Graves or who receive these personalized mass mailings Greaves family. assume that this is a genealogy and are very There is never any charge for a query. disappointed when they receive the book. You are much more likely to get your query There have been many complaints to the U.S. inserted promptly if you write it in the same Post Office and other groups. format as other queries in the newsletter and This is not a genealogy. It does not provide submit it on a separate sheet of paper. family histories. The book contains mostly However, even when you don’t compose the very general information on history, coats of query yourself, when there are questions or arms and heraldry, and how to search for your information that may be of general interest we ancestors. There is a small amount of try to extract your material and put it in query information specific to the Graves family. All form. It may just take longer. of this is better covered in other publications. The other half of the book is a listing, mostly from telephone directories in both the CORRECTION TO JUNE NEWSLETTER U.S. and other countries, of about 33,000 people named Graves. On page 55 in the June newsletter was an item about the probable ancestry of the Greaves/Graves family of St. Mary’s Co., MD. QUERIES IN THE NEWSLETTER It stated that immigrant John Greaves of St. Mary’s Co. was probably a grandson of There has sometimes been confusion or William Greaves of Greenhill, parish of uncertainty among new members concerning Norton, near Sheffield, South Yorkshire, queries. The policy is that anyone (member or England. John Greaves of St. Mary’s Co., MD died in 1748, and my estimate of his date of birth Memberships: should have been given as 1680-1690, not Regular (U.S. & Canada) $20/year 1780-1790. William Greaves may have been Other countries (air mail) $30/year Sustaining $40/year born about 1600 in Yorkshire; his will was Life (age 62 and older) $600 one time dated 31 Dec. 1662. Foreign memberships must be paid by money order in U.S. dollars. All back issues (1976- present) are available at current price. ORIGIN OF DEACON GEORGE GRAVE(S) Newsletter only available to individuals as part of Graves Family Association membership. Mrs. Helen Graves Ames Neidner, 1911 Published by: Sherwood Forest, #20, Houston, TX 77043, THE GRAVES FAMILY ASSOCIATION wrote that she found information from an aunt 261 South St., Wrentham, MA 02093 that “George and brother Thomas Graves came on the ship Jonas from England about 1635 ... Newsletter Editor: Kenneth Vance Graves (508)384-8084 listed as gentlemen.” Internet: [email protected] Can anyone provide the source of this information, or more details? Does this refer Treasurer: Elaine Tobias, Overland Park, KS to Deacon George Grave(s) of Hartford, CT? Director, On-line Computer Help: H. W. (“Bud”) Graves, Veradale, WA Deacon George Grave(s) is believed to have Internet:[email protected] arrived in America in 1635 or 1636, but is not -75 - known to have had a brother Thomas, and the Crenshaw, and a great nephew named William ship he arrived on has never been known. Crenshaw Graves (son of John Spotswood Graves and grandson of Lewis Holliday/Holladay Graves). ANSON CO., NC BOOK AVAILABLE The Anson County, NC Heritage Book REPORT ON TRIP TO ENGLAND Committee has completed their project of compiling a Heritage Book. It will contain The trip to England by members of the family, church and business histories, along Graves Family Association this past May was with other interesting tidbits relating to the a great success! Although we had fewer history of Anson County. The Heritage of people than we expected (15 vs. the 30 or 40 Anson County, NC, Vol. One, will be available that I originally thought we might have), there in Sept. 1995. were benefits. Our smaller coach, holding a For more information regarding the price, maximum of 25, could go places a larger write: Anson County Heritage Book coach couldn’t have gone. If you have ever Committee, P.O. Box 417, Wadesboro, NC seen some of the one-vehicle lanes, narrow 28170. bridges, and sharp turns, you know what an advantage that can be. Our coach driver, Vince Dyde, and our two GRAVES FAMILY BOOKS tour guides, Frances Scott Lawrence and George Redmonds, were all fantastic -- very The following books will be published in knowledgeable about so many things and the order shown. However, these dates are almost like family by the end of the tour. The targets and the exact dates may be later. details of the tour were all arranged by Jim Graves Families of Randolph Co., NC will Bolles of Ancestral Tours to Great Britain Ltd. be ready soon. of Norwalk, CT. John Graves of Concord, MA is targeted We will be taking another tour in a few after that, in the first half of 1996, and John years, this time to include Ireland as well as Graves of Frederick Co., VA will be ready England. We can arrange the tour in the same later in 1996. way as this one, or we could do it differently. Targeted for 1997 is the book on Capt. For instance, if a lower cost would attract Thomas Graves of VA. more people, we could arrange and conduct the tour ourselves, rather than relying on a tour planning organization. However, considering FOLLOW-UP TO THE how well planned and conducted this trip was, CROSHAW/CRENSHAW ARTICLE IN we would be running a risk of problems. Your THE JUNE NEWSLETTER comments and suggestions would be much appreciated. Mr. Monroe Warren, 633 Azalea Dr., Rockville, MD 20850, wrote that his wife’s g- Most of the tour group left the U.S. on Sat., g-grandfather, Lewis Holladay Graves, had an May 20, and arrived at Heathrow Airport, older sister, Winnifred, oldest daughter of London, early in the morning of Sunday, May Isaac and Jemima (Holladay) Graves 21. Since that the time difference between the (descended from Capt. Thomas Graves of VA, 2 3 4 5 east coast of the U.S. and England is 5 hours via Francis , Thomas , John , Isaac ), who was (8 hours difference for those coming from the married to Spottswood Dabney Crenshaw. west coast), this had to be one of the shortest Winnifred had a son named William Graves nights imaginable. It is impressive to see the -76 - sun come up over the ocean in the middle of wall, seeing Roman remains, York Minster, the night. and the Jorvik Viking Centre. We went directly from the airport to the Sat., May 27: We headed south to Bakewell, university city of Oxford, the “city of spires”. Derbyshire, saying farewell to Dr. Redmonds We visited “The Oxford Story” where we rode and picking up Frances to guide us the rest of through time from ancient to modern times. the way.