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PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES
HOUSE OF THE PEOPLE OFFICIAL REPORT
(Part II—Proceedings other than Questions and Answers)
(Part I - QuestionsCONTENTS and Answers)
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HOUSE OF THE PEOPLE Shri C. D. Deshmnkh: It is not a question of amalgamation, but one of Friday, the 20th June, 1952 substitution. The functions will be merged perhaps with some modifica tions, in those of the new Board, but the membership will not necessarily be The House met at a Quarter Past Eight the same. of the Clock. T rade with Italt [Mr. Speaker in the Chair] •1039. Shri Vehiyndhan: Will the J>RAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS Minister of Commeree and Indnstry be pleased to state: Hirakud Development Board (a) whether any trade letters have *1036. Dr. Ram Subhaff Sinffh: WiU been exchanged between India and the Minister of PLumins and River Italy; and Valley Schemes be pleased to state: (b) if so, what are the terms of the (a) whether Government propose to letters? establish a Hirakud Development Board; and The Deputy Minister of Commerce and Indnstry <^ri Karmarfcar): (a) (b) if so, what would be the function Yes, Sir. of that Board? (b) Copies of thp letters exchanged have already been placed in the Libra The Minister of Finance (Shri C. D. ry of the House. Deshmiikh): (a) and (b). A copy of the Government of India, Ministry of Shri Velayndhan: May I know the Natural Resources and Scientific Re amounts covered by the respective search Resolution No. DW. 11-12 (27), countries in this trade treaty? dated 27th March, 1952 setting up the Hirakud Control and Development Shri Karmarkar: The amounts have Boards and giving their constitution not been indicated here, but mention and functions is laid on "he Table of has been made of the different com the House. [;?ee Appendix V, annexure modities, either for export or for im No. 40]. port, as far as it relates to trade bet ween these two countries.
Dr. Ram Subhag Singh: May I know Shri Velas^dhan: According to this whether it is also intended to consti treaty, may I know whether salt is tute a control Board for the Hirakud imported into India for Kashmir? project, and if so where the head quarters of that Board will be located? Shri Karmarkar: Firstly, Sir, there Shri 0. D. Deshmnkh: The matter is no treaty as such. Regarding salt, mentioned by the hon. Member is I shall refer the hon. Member to the under consideration, and it is possible copy of the Agreement placed in the that a single Board might replace these Library. two boards referred to in the question. Mr. Speaker: The hon. Minister has Dr. Ram Subhag Singh: May I know stated that there is no treaty as such. when this Board is constituted, the It is -only a question of agreement. So existing Board would cease to function, far as salt is concerned, the hon. Minis and the members of that Board would ter does not know about it at tfa» be taken over on the Committee? moment. . 113 PSD. ' 1063 Oral Answers 20 JUNE 1952 Oral Answers 1064
Shri Karmarkar: So far as I gee at formation available with me ' goes» the moment, salt is not one of the chicory powder has not bf^n consi commodities. dered to be injurious to health, by the medical profession. The mixing of Shri Yelayadhaii: May I know chicory with coffee wiU also help to rer- whether salt is i m p c ^ Jtaly duce prices ete. into India, for the use of Kashmir? Shri Karmarkar: I like to GALVAiqis^ Steel Sheets have notice. rfoll. Shri s. C. Samanta: Will the Shri Achnthan: Are not these things Minister of Commerce and Industry be mentioned in the agreement? pleased to state: Shri Karmarkar: The hon. Member (a) whether the standard for galva , may refer to the copy of the agiee- nised steel sheets formulated by the meht placed in the Library. Indian Standards Institution are main tained by the manufacturing industry; Mixing of C ic^R Y with Coftee (b) whiether the ^ndard wiU apply both for the plain as well as corrugated *1040. Shri T ^ yn a h a i: WiU fhe sheets; Minister of O^naterce and be pleased to state: (c) the main items of the standard prescribed; and (a) whetiier Government are aware that coffee powder is being mixed with (d) whether the price of sheets has chicory and Uiis forms a large increased or decreased in recent years? Industay in South India; and th e Deputy Minister of Com] (b) whether any State has issuM a and Industry (Shri Karmarkar): (a) ban on the mixing of chicory with Yes, Sir. eoff^ powder? (b) Yes, Sir. ’ The Deputy Minister of Commeree and Industry (Shri Karmarkar): (a) (c) The main items of the standard Yw, Sir. are as follows;— (i) Dimensions and Weights, (b) The Madras Government issued a ban in January 1952; but they have (ii) Limit of Zinc Coating, since postponed giving effect to it till (iii) Testing Requirements, April 1953. (iv) Provisions for Retesting and Rejection, Shri Yelayudhan: May I kiiow whether chicory is very harmful, and (v) Inspection and Testing Faci if so why the ban on it has been sus lities, and pended by the Madras Government? (vi) Test Certificate. Shri Karmarkar: The original idea of the Madras Government appears to (d) Prices have increased. have been to prevent the adulteration of coffee with chicory powder. Repre Shri S. C. Samanta: May I know the sentations were made to us that number and also the names of the chicory powder mixed with collee has manufacturing factories for galvanized been usual with some people, and that sheets? there' is no harm from that. The Government of India, for the time Shri Karmarkar: I am afraid, this being, considered the matter and ad does not arise from the main question; vised the Madras Government to lift so I should like to have notice. the ban. And in response to this Shri S. C. Samanta: May I know in advice, the Madras Government have how many cases, these manufacturers been good enough to defer their final have been warned or punished? decision on the ban till the date men tioned earlier. Shri Karmarkar: I should like to have notice. Shri S. C. Samanta: May I know whether chicory powder has been Shri M. S. Gurupadaswamy: May I examined in the Research Institutes, know what are the considerations that and if so, what are the good and in go into the distribution of galvanized jurious qualities found in the same? steel sheets?
Shri Karmarkar: With regard to the Shri Karmarkar: Sir. the main ques cionestion whether it has been scienti- tion relates to the standards for these ftcally examined or not. I should like sheets. As regards the hon. Member’s to have notice. But so far as the in question. I should like to have notice. 1065 Oral Answers 20‘ JUNE 1952 Oral Anstoers 10««
Dr. P. S. Deshmnkh: May I know *sairi Karmarkar: 1 should like to whether t&e prddtictlbn of thfese sheets have notice. has ihcreased ih recent years? ShriT. T. Cbacko: May I know whe Shri Karmarkar: 1 am afraid this ther it Is a fact that the Government question is not relevant to the main profited to the extent of abdtit
Shii rcc!:cr Sabeb; May I know what (a) the total amount of imports made is the provision under law under which by Britain from India during the first this is exercised by the quarter of this calendar year; and Government? - (b) the total amount of Indian pur Shxi Karmaikar: 1 shaU go into the chases of British goods during the history of tne matter and tlien let the corresponding period? hon. Member know about it. The Deputy Minister of Commerce Shri B. Shiva Rao: May I know and Industry (Shri Karmarkar): (a) whether there has recently been a Rs. 37-9 crores. report by the Special Officer Tjf Madras Government, in regard to the condi (b) Rs. 45'3 crores. tions in these islands, including the question under discussion now? Dr. Ram Sabhag Singh: May I know, Sir, whether the import and export Shri Karmarkar: Yes, Sir. That is position of our country was more partly true. The Special Inspection favourable in the corresponding period Officer, it appears, has made a report last year? On the question of free trade which will be further examined by the State Shri Karmarkar: In respect of the Government, with reference to the United Kingdom? So far as I could suggestion made by him. . say offhand, last year it had been adverse to us. Shri B. Shiva Rao: May I ask Dr. Ram Subhag Sin^h: May I know. whether before any final action is Sir, what'were the chief items because taken a copy of the report will be of which the import and export posi placed on the Table of this House? tion of our country became favourable Shri Karmarkar: We shall consider this year? the question. Shri Karmarkar: The items are about the same, but the quantities Food Materials (Import & Export) vary. *1043. Shri P. T. Chacko: Will the Shrimati A. Kale: May I know the Minister of Commerce and Industry be names of the articles imported so far? pleased to state: Shri Karmarkar: The items are (a) the total value of food materials about 52 in number, but I could men imported in the year 1951-52; and tion some— bobbins, soda bicarbonate, cutlery, hardware, etc. (b) whether food materials were ex ported from India in the year 1951-52 Cotton (Export) and, if so, the total value of such exports? *1045. Dr. Ram Sabhag Singh: Will the Minister of Commerce and Industry The Deputy Minister of Commerce be pleased to state: and Industry (Shri Karmarkar): (a'l Rs. 258*46 crores of which Rs. 230 (a) the total quantity of cotton so crores represent foodgrains. far exported from this country during this calendar year; and ' (b) No foodgrains are exported. The total value of other food articles in (b) what were the varieties of cotton 1951-52 was Rs. 146 crores of which ^ thus exported? Rs. 93 crores represent tea, Rs. 30 crores represent spices and about Rs. 9 The Deputy Minister of Commerce crores represent cashew nuts. and Industry (Shri Karmarkar): (a) and (b). A statement is laid on the Shri P. X Chacko: May I know what Table of the House. [See Appendix V, percentage share of the import trade annexure No. 41]. was accounted for by these food Dr. P. S. Deshmukh: May I know. imports? Sir, what is the total number of bales Shri Karmarkar: What percentage that is intended to be exported? these foodgrains would form of the total lli^^t? Well, I should like to Shri Kai^markar: Well, Sir, the plan have But I am informed it is is to export, I think, round about about 20 per cent, Sir. 300.000 bales. Imports from B ritain Dr. P. S. Deshmukh: Is there any intention to increase this quota of ex *1044. Dr. Ram Subhag Singb: WiU port fiince the prices have fallen be the Minister of Commeree and Industry , cause of this non-usable cotton being be pleaded to state: still in the market? 106 9 Oral Answers 20 JUNE 1952 Oral Answers 1070
Shri Karmarkar: I am afraid 1 could Mr. Speaker: Order, order. The not give a speculative reply. , question relates to the Ahmedabad tex tile workers. Shri G. Deshmukh: May I know. Sir whether the cotton which was ex ported was not wanted by the mills D.V.C ‘ (Chiep Information Officer) in India? •1047. Shri A. C. Guha: Will the Minister of Planning and Biver Valley Shri Karmarkar: Well, Sir, a large Schemcs be pleased to state: part of it was §uch cotton as could not be spinnable here. I understand (a) whether there is a Chief Informa a small portion of it could be spinnable, tion Officer for the D.V.C.; and but in view of the cotton surplus we permitted that to go. (b) if so— (i) what are his functions and Shri K. G. Deshmukh: What is the ' duties; > staple of this cotton which is exported? (ii) what are his emoluments; . Shri Karmarkar: I think a large part of it is very short-staple, and a portion (iii) what are the terms of his ap of it, about 50,000 bales, is 11/16" pointment; and staple. (iv) whe^er his appointment had Bonus to Textile W orkers been approved by Govern** ment? *1046. Pandit Monishwar Datt Upadhyay: Will the Minister of Labour The Minister of Finance (Shri C. D. be pleased to state what was the rate Deshmokh): (a) Yes, Sir. of bonus given to the textile workers (b) (i) to (iii). A statement giving of Ahmedabad for the years X550 and the information is laid on the Table of 1949? the House. [See Appendix V, annexure No. 42]. The Minister of Laboor (Shri V. V. Giri): One-sixth of Ihe annual basic (b) (iv). Under Section 6 (3) of the wages earned by workers. D.V.C. Act, the Corporation is com petent to appoint its Chief informa Pandit Monishwar Datt Upadhyay: tion Officer. The approval of the May I know. Sir, if any of the mills Government of India is not necessary. were exceptions to this rate of bonus? Shri A. C. Goha: From Ihe statement. Shri V. V, Giri: There were some Sir, I find that the emoluments of this exceptions. officer would amount to Rs. 1975 per Pandit Monishwar Datt Upadhyay: month. Is it not within the contempla What rate did they give? tion of Government that i>osts carry ing ?uch a high salaia^ should come Shri V. V. Giri: I think that matter within the purview of TJovernment's is still pending. approval? Pandit Monishwar Datt Upadhyay: Mr. Speaker: Order, order. He is What was the rate in 1951, Sir? making a suggestion for action.
Shri V. V. Giri: I want notice. The Shri A. C. Goha: Is there any Selec hon. Member asked for 1949 and 1950 tion Committee appointed for making only. this appointment? Dr. P. S. Deshmokht Has Ihe hon. Minister seen the profits made by the Shri C. D. DeshmoUi: There is an 'textile industry and is there any in other question, Sir, about Selection tention to ask them to ' increase the Committee. Presumably, the appoint bonuses to b^ given to labour? ment was referred to the appropriate Selection Committee. But I have no Shri V. V. Giri: The matter was information in regard to this pftrticular referred by the parties to the Appel appointment. late Tribunal. They have decided the matter. . Shri A. C. Giilm: Frojn the sratement I find, that one of his functions is to collect and study literature on river valley and allied activities from other countries also. May .1 know, Sir. if the present incumbent has any te<'hni- cal knowledge on these matters, or whether it was also considered that I ^ ^ ^ t ^ this knowledge was necessary for it? 1071 Oral Amtoers 20 JUNE 1M2 Oral Answers 1072
Shri C. p. DeslmmUi: I think, Sir, (b) (i) For officers posts ' the function of the Publicity (Mcer is to study even technical literature and Both the Members of the ('orpora- to transmute it, so to spiBQk, foj: the tien, the Director of Personnel and the use of the ordinary citizen. Head of the D^artment concerne,d. All appointments are approved by Shri Damodara Menon: Is it the in the Chairman also. tention of Government to encourage tte appointment of separate Information For Subordinate Technical posts' OflBcers for each of these river valley schemes? Dr. B. C. Guha, Member, D.V.C., the Director and Deputy Director of Per Shri C."D. Deshmnkh: That question sonnel and the Head of the Depart does not arise. Sir, because, as was ment concerned. Bpinted out in the rej^^ the Cor- ^poration is competent to m ^ e an For Subordinate Norirteehnical posts appointment or to decide whether to mafce an appointment or not under the Mr. P. P. Vtrma, Member. D.V.C., section I have quoted. the Director and Deputy Director of Personnel and the H ^d of the Depart Shri A. C. Gplia: At present, is there ment concerned. any suggestion that suoh posts should come for the Government’s approval? Outside experts such as the Head of the Power Wing of the Central Water Mr. Speaker: That is the same thing and Power Commission, Coal Commis- again. siQper, Chief Mining Engineer and (5«eral Manager, Calcutta Electricity a iri A. C. Guha: This was several Corporatioiii are alsp invited to help times mentioned and the Minister in the Selection Committee when neces charge/ gave an assurance that they sary. would revise these rules. (u) 1949— 102 times Mr. Speaker: Then he may refer to the assurance. Was any as.surance 1950—128 times. giveii? 1951—151 times. (iii) The Committees have been Shri C. D. Deshmnkh: WeU, I do not formed by the Corporation. know about an assurance. Reference might have been made to certain things (iv) Reference to the Selection Com under consideration. I do not know mittee is not made on the basis whether the hon. Member refers to the of pay of posts. appointment of Publicity Officers or to appointments carrying a high rate of All appointments exciept those cor pay. At one time there was an idea responding to Class IV servants of the that appointments carrying a pay above Government of India are referred to a certain limit might be referred for the Committee. In addition the follow approval of Government. No decision ing classes of personnel, who are ap has yet been taken. pointed after a trial test are not re quired to appear before the Selection D.V.C. (Selection Committee) Committee^-? . ^ Typistft, Steno-typists, Stenographers, *1048. Shri A. C. Guha: Will the Draftsmen, Tracers, Technicians, Minister of Planning and River VaUey Transport Drivers, etc. Schemes be pleased to state: Director of Personnel has been eutho- (a) whether there is any Selection rised to select them after test. Committee of the D.V.C.; and Shri A. C. Guha: From the answer (b) if given it appears that the Selection “ ...... the (i) who are its members; the (ii) how often it has met during ______! Gov the last 3 years; ernment any idea of referring such ap pointments to the Public Service Com (iii) who has formed the commit mission? tee; and Shri C. D. Deshmnkh: No, Sir. The (iv) what is the minimum pay of law invests the Corporation with the the posts which are referred to necessary powers. the Selection Committee? Shri A. C. Gnha: May I draw fhe ' The Minister of Finance (Shri C. D. attention of the hon. Minister to the J^hw iiikh): (a) Yes, Sir. fact that in certain recent legislations 1073 Oral Ansyjers 20 1^52 Oral A n g ers lOU setting up autonomous bodies, the ^ d , if so, what are tiipse goods? Public Service Commission has been authorised to make appointments? . Shri Karmarkac I should like to have notice of the question. Mr. Speajker: Order, order. The hon. Shri K. G. DeiAimi^h: V/hat is the Member is trying to argue. total amount spent on the import of Shri A. C. Guha: That has been done luju^y goods? in recent legislations. Shri Karmarkar: We have banned Mr. Speaker: That is a matter of the import of luxury goods. It de argument. pends upon what he considers to be luxury goods. Shri A. C. Guha: Some modification in the law...... Non-essential Consumer (Jogds » (lAflPpRT) , , Mr. Speaker: Order, order. He may proceed to the next question. Shri Banuui: Will the Minis Sliri Velayodluui: May I know whe ter of Commerce aa#liidastry be pleas, ther there is any proposal to change ed to state the import figures of non essential consume goods during the the law in view of the irregularities? second half of the year 1951? Mr. Speaker: Order, order. Next The Deputy Mbiister of Commerce question No. 1049. and Industry (Shri Karmarkar): I do not know what consumer goods the hon. Shri A. C. Guha: Sir, I have four Member regards as non-essential goods. xjuestions in my name. If I am allow If a list of such items is supplied, the ed to put only three, I would like to information will be laid on the Table forego this (No. 1049), and 1 would put of the House. only No. 1054. For my own information we had a Mr. Speaker: He may tais;e his chance. ^mall list of what are considered as If it is not reached, he would not be non-^sejitial goods: Animals living, able to put it. So, the hon. Member apparel, furniture, tobacco manufac is.not putting Question No. 1049? tures, wood and timber manufactures, postal articles, etc. The whole of it Shri A. C. Guha: I am not putting it, from July to December came to Rs. Sir. 5,80,00,000—if these are considered non-essential articles. Mr, Speaker: No. 1050. Shri R. K. Chaodhury: Will the hon. Trade Balance Minister repeat? We cannot hear. ♦1050. Shri L. N. Mishra: (a) Will the Shri Karmarkar: I do not know what Minister of Commerce and Industry be consumer goods the hon. Member re pleased to state the main reasons for gards as non-essential goods.- If a list the contrast between favourable of such items is supplied, the informa balance of Rs. 21-42 crores in 1950-51 tion will be laid on the Table of the and trade deficit of over Rs. 156 crores House. in 1951-52? Shri Barman: May I know whether (b) What steps do Government pro the Government imports face powders, pose to take to improve the trade cosmetics...... balance of our country? Mr. Speaker: Order, order. The Deputy Minister of Commerce and Industry (Shri Karmarkar): (a) Shri Karmarkar: They are non The main reasons for heavier adverse essentials. We are discouraging the balance of trade in 1951-52 were:— import of such articles. (i) Large imports of foodgrains. Shri Dabhi: May I know whether (ii) Large imports of cotton and lipsticks are allowed to be imported? certain other important raw materials. Mr. Speaker: Order, order. Nert (b) The special reasons referred to question. _ j in (a) above are not likely to prevail, to the same extent in future. Besides, Coal in A ssam and North Bengal Government adjust from time to time, their export and import policies suit *1052. Shri Barman: Will the Mhiis- ably. tier of be pleas^ to state: Shri L. N. Mishra: Is it a fact that (a) whether it is a fact tiiat there is accumulation of stocks of some non a vakt reserve of cqaX in Assam, Gero essential :goods has been made in this Hiiyg' ^ d in BaiEracota of Noiith country because of the import policy, Bengal; 1075 Oral Answers 20 JUNE 1952 Oral Answers 1076
(b) if so, why these fields are not ■(b) What is the plan of distribution being worked; and in 1952? (c) How much is allocated to cash (c) what is the cost price of coal at crop and to cereal production? the fields from which coal is being supplied aind at what prices it reaches (d) How is such distribution made North Bengal via Pakistan Steamer with imported fertiliser? route? The Minister of Prodociion (Shri Tlie Minister of Production (Shri K. C. Reddy): (a) About 2,00,000 tons. K. C. Reddy): (a) The estimated re serves in Garo Hills are 115 million (b) The entire quantity of fertilizers tons and in Bagracota 20 million tons^ to be produced at the .Sindri Fertilizer Factory till the end of 1952 has been (b) The main difficulty in workiM sold to the Ministry of Food and Agri ‘ the deposits in the Garo Hills is their culture who will take it into their inaccessibility, there being no road or Central Fertilizer Pool. The supplies Railway to or near the coalfield. thus purchased are pooled with the im ported material and are distributed The Dalingkot mines in the Bagracota among the State Governments and area are being worked by a private other commercial and industrial in partj. It is open to any private party terests, according to their demands, at to work the fields after obtaining the a uniform pool price fixed on a “no- necessary mining lease from the State profit-no-loss basis”. The distribution Government. of the fertilizers within the States is (c) A statement Is laid on the Table * the responsibility of the Governments of the House showing the pit-head concerned. prices of coal produced in Assam, Bagracota and Bengal/Bihar fields. (c) Uptil now 22,000 tons of Sindri [See Appendix V, annexure No. 43]. product have been allotted to cash crops (19,000 tons for the Tea industry Coal from the Bengal/Bihar fields in North East India and 3,000 tons for supplements the requirements of Assam cotton extension in Madhya Pradesh) and North BengaL and a quantity of 47,500 tons has been allotted to various State Governments. No coal is at present being supplied to The Government of India have fit pre North Bengal via Pakistan Steamer sent no specific information how the route. State Governments distribute the sup plies Ijptween cash and cereal crops. Shri Barman: With .regard to (c), when a statement is said to be laid on (d) The answer is contained in the the Table, it is generally hung up answer to (b). • against the name of the Member in ' whose name the question stands. I Shri Barman: Sir, in view of the fact do not find the statement there. that the total production of the Sindri Fertilizer Factory will not be sufficient Mr. Speaker: The matter will be for our purpose, do Government con looked into by the Secretary. template to instal any other fertilizer Shri K. C. Reddy. Does the Chair factory in the near future? want me to read the statement? Shri K, C. Reddy: The answer, Sir, Mr. Speaker: Is it a long statement? is that so far as ammonium sulphate is concerned, when we reach maximum " Shri K. C. Reddy: It is all figures. production, our requirements will be almost met by the production in the Mr. Speaker: Let the hon. Member Sindri Factory. Perhaps .the honf study the statement; that would be Memljer is referring to other kinds of better. Then he would be more exact fertilizers regarding which Govern in his supplementaries. We go on to ment are taking steps to produce. the next question. I find so far as Mr. Barman’s getting Shrimati A. Kale: May I know whe a copy of the statement is concerned, ther the use of fertilizers requires any his name was added at the end of the special knowledge and if so, what List as the statement was received a steps have Government taken to im bit late. He may put the next question part such knowledge to the people who now. Yesi. question No. 1053. want to use fertilisers?
FERTILliSER I^ODUCnON Shri K. C. Reddy: I am rot aware that any special knowledge is required *1053. Shri Barman: (a) Will the for the use of fertilisers. I think the Minister of Prodoctioii be pleased to question may appropriately be answer Btate the quantity of fertiliser to be ed by the Minister of Food and A p i produced in Sindri in 1952? culture. ' 1077 Oral Answers 20 JUNE 1952 Oral Answers 107&
Shri Telkikar: What are the diff Shri Ki C. Beddy: The greater quanr erent kinds of fertilisers that are manu tity is b^ing distributed, Sir, by the factured in Sindri Factory? Ministry of Food and Agriculture. They have got their own arrangements Mr. Speaker: Order, Order. with the respective States and the Dr. P. S. Deshmukh: Will the hon. States either get the stuff distributed' Minister tell us as to what is the exact through the commission agents or in price which the State Governments are some cases through the co-operative, expected to pay to the Central Govern societies. ment per maund of the fertilizer and what is the amount that the agricul Shri Sarangadhar Das: May I know; turist is expected to pay to the Gov , Sir, whether in view of the reply ernment? yesterday as to the cost of production,, the fertilizer is being supplied now at Shri K. C. Reddy: I regret. Sir, I am Rs. 350 or whatever it is without not in a position to give the hon. Mem knowing the cost of production? ber the cost price per maund but I can give the figure of the price per ton. Shri K. C. Reddy: What I said Mr. Speaker: His point seems to be yesterday was that the ultimate cost of whether the Government i.e. the State production I am not in a position^ to Governments are making any profit. say now because when we reach the target of our production, then the Shri K. C. Reddy: There is a sepa cost of production will certainly be. rate question regarding that. 'jhe lower but regarding the present cost factory is selling at Rs. 350 per ton of production I will give an answer to the Ministry of Food and Agricul to the hon. Member if he gives me a ture. The imported stuff is costing separate notice of the question. somewhere about between Rs. 580 and Rs. 400. The pool price is about Shri Raghavaiah: May I know. Sir, Rs. 380 per ton. This is the pi ice at whether in view of the fact that the which the stuff is supplied F.O.R. Madras Government has organised the Sindri or F.O.R. any port and then the distribution of these fertilizers to p ii- Ministry of Food and Agriculture sup vate companies, there is blackmarket- plies to various States and some ing going on for the last one year? growers of commercial crops and to that price is added the freight charges Shri K. C. Reddy: I am not aware or the railway charges respectively. of it. Sir. Shri P. T. Ghacfco: May I know Mr. Speaker: Next question now. whether the Government have got any machinery for testing the quality of the fertilizers produced especially be Diversion of Orders pgr Jxjte Goods cause there is an allegation that the fertilizer produced at Alwaye factory •1054. Shri A. C. Guha: Will the is acidic? Minister of Commerce and Industry b e pleased to state: Shri K. C. Reddy: Regarding the Alwaye factory I am not in a position to answer the question. So far as the (a) whether the attention of Govern . fertilizer at Sindri is concerned, I have ment has been drawn to the reports in. no definite information to give to the newspapers that a considerable portion hon. Member just now. I presume of UJS-A. Hessian orders have gone to there must be some machinery to test the Gontinental firms; the quality. (b) if so, whether Government have Shri KasUwal: Is the Government enquired into the reasons for this^ aware of the pamphlet recently issued position and whether they have taken: by Mirabahen advising the agricul any steps to counteract this tendency; turists against the use of these ferti and lizers? (c) what are the Continental Shri K. C. Beddy: I remember to coimtries which have recently started- have read that pamphlet. But what jute mills? are the actual contents of it. I am not in a position to say. The Deputy Minister of Commerce and Industry (Shri Karmarkar): (a) Shri Rafi^avalaJ^: May I know whe and (b). The hon. Member’s atten ther the Government will distribute tion is invited to the reply given m these fertilizers through the Agriculture this House to starred question No. 18 Ministry or through any ether by Shri Munishwar Datt Upadhyay on Ministry? the 19th May, 1952. ia79 QtqX Qr^ AM wen 1090
(c) Government are nojt Hikware of ments and at what period of time this any Continental country havipl; recently ii^plied to the agriculturists, I am started jute mills. On the other hand, hot in a position to say now. it is reported Ihat Continental manu- !facturers hawfe recently curtailed their Laboxjbers unber Indian Tea production. A ssociation Shri A, d Gnlia: May I know which •1056. PaBdit Mimishwar Datt are the coimtriw that have now started Upadhyiiy: (a) Will the Minister of production or manufacture of Hessian LMidiir "be pleas^ to state what are jute? tbit food concisions allowed to the Shri Karmarkan I should like to lal>ourers working Under the Indian ihave notice. " Tea Association? Jilr. Speak^: Next question. (b) Is it proposed to withdraw that concession m 3 if so, why? P roduction in Sindri Factory The Minister of Labour (Shri V. V. Giri): (a) A statement showing the •1055. Shri Jbnn^imwaU: WiU food concessions allowed to workers the Minister o£ f> }m ^ employed on estates under th? Indian to s t ^ : Tea Association is placed on the Table of the House. [5ee Appendix V, (a) the date when the factorv is ex annexure No. 44.] pected to go into full production of 1000 tons erf Ammonium Sulphate per (b) For some lime past, the employers day;, and, have been pressing for conversion of food concessions into cash on the Retail Cloth Dealers S b fi€ . D. Deshmukh: This and the other reofloaamendations of the Esti *1057. Siirl Dhnsiya: (a) Will the mates jCommitise are under considera Minister' of Commerce aiid IndiMfay tion. be pleased to state what is the total number of licences issued to zetail Shri N. P. S ii^ : May I also ask how «loth dealers at present in DelU? much land in Binar is likely to be irri gated by the project when compteted? (b) Is it a fact that in the months Shri €. D. DedimiAli: I would like o f February and 'March 1952 about notice of that question. 1800 retail dealers’ licences have been cancelled and if so, on what grounds? ¥rot, Agarwal: May I know what are the latest ^tim at^ of the D.V.C.? Tlie Depvtjr Minister of Coametee 9ad Industry (Shri K annsui^): (a) ^hrl G. D. Dflshmnkh: I think the 2746. whole matter will come up for discus (b) No. sion later this morning. I will only say it is round about Rs. 90 crores. Damodar Valley Project Shri B. K. Das: May I Jmow whether the original target date w ^ fixed at *1058. Shri N. P. Sinha: Will the five years after beginning the work and Minister of Planning and Biver VaDey not 1955? Is it a fact that this target Schemes be pleased to state: ^iate of 1955 has been fixed later? (a) whether the Damodar Valley Shri C. D. De^imnkh: I should like Project is going to be completed with to have notice as to the exact date in the time originally stipulatCKi; given in the original estimates. (b) whether any dam, out of the proposed eight, has been completed Wagons for Loading Coal so far; *1059. Pandit D. N. Tiwary: WiU the (c) how many families have been Minister of Produetion be pleased to displaced on account of the operation state: of the Damodar Valley Scheme so far: (a) the total annual requirements (d) how many are likely to be dis of wagons for loading coal in collier placed by the time it is completed: ies of Bihar; and (b) the number of wagons indented (e) whether the displaced persons by various collieries of Bihar in 1951 have been rehabilitated? 32; and The Minister of Finance (Shri C. D. (c) the number of wagons actually Deshmukh): (a) The first phase of the supplied in 1951-52? Damodar Scheme is scheduled to be completed by 1955. Every endeavour The Minister of Production (Shri will be made to adhere to the target K, C. Eeddy): (a) 854,918 wagons on date. the basis of production from Bihar Collieries in 1951-52. (b) The first phase of the Scheme in cludes, construction of four dams only (b) Wagon indent figures are not viz. Tilaiya, Konar, Maithon and maintained separately for Bihar fields Panchet Hill. Of these Tilaiya vill be only. completed this year and Konar next year. * (c). 738,815 wagons on the basis of total despatches from the Bihar fields (c) 81 families have been displaced during 1951-52. so far. Pandit D. N. Tiwari: May I know (d) 10,000 families are likely to be how many wagons were booked to affected by all the 8 dams and the North Bihar? * Thermal Power Station. Shri K. C. Beddy: I am sorry. Sir, I have no figures for North Bihar se (e) The answer is in the affirmative. parately. Shri N. P. Sinlia: May I ask if the Corporation proposes to hand over Trade between Kashmir and Chinese charge of rehabilitation to the State T urkestan Government of Bihar as suggested by the Estimates W its^ *10€0. Sbri Gfaolam Qader: WUl ^ report? Prime Minister be pleased to state: 1083 Oral Answers 20 J U m 1952 Oral Answers 1084 (a) whether there is any. likelihood Shri G. P. Sinha* The Prime Minis of trade between Kashmir and ter said that the Indian traders had to Chinese Turkestan and Tibet being face unfavourable conditions. May I resumed in the near future : know what are the unfavourable con (b) whether any negotiations have ditions that prevail there? been carried on in the matter; Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: Well, during (c) the number Of Indian traders at the last year or two in those parts of present in Chinese Turkestan and Sinkiang conditions had not been Tibet; and always stable and there have been all kinds of difficulties in the way of trade. (d) what is the value of goods It is rather difficult to answer it in a belonging to Indian traders in these few sentences. places? Shri Punnoose: Did the hon. Prime The Prime Minister (Shri Jawaharlal Minister mean that some sorts of dis Nohni): (a) to (d). Trade with Tibet crimination was shown particularly is being carried on in the normal way against the Indian traders by the by Indian traders, whose seasonal moves Chinese Government? to that country take place only in summer time. Mr. Speaker: Order, order. It does not arise. ' Indian trade with Chinese Turkestan has suffered considerably by the virtual Shri Pmmoose: It does arise, Sir,... closing down of our Consulate General Mr. Speaker: It does not. We are not in Kashgar. Because of unfavourable concerned with what the altitude of the local conditions most of the Indian tra Chinese Government was. ders there have returned to India after winding up their businesses in Sinkiang. Shri Punnoose: I v/ant to know Negotiations with the Chinese Govern whether there was any unfavourable ment for the reopening of our Consulate or discriminatory treatment against the General in Kashgar are continuing. So Indians. long as this Consulate General is not reopened, the prospects of resuming Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: May I answer trade with Chinese Turkestan in the that, Sir. It just became difficult for near future are not bright. them to trade. The value of goods belonging to Pakistan Raids on Kashmir Border Indian traders in these countries is *1061. Shri Ghnlam Qader: Will the not known. Prime Minister be pleased to state: (a) the number of raids carried out by Pakistanis during 1951-52 on the Jammu and Kashmir border: (b) how many, of these were carried out on the Jammu side and how many on the Kashmir side and the extent [Shri . GtnOam Qadar. Have the of loss in human life, property and ^ Indian traders suffered any losses in livestock suffered by the affected Chinese Turkestan.] areas; and •(c) what steps, if any, have been taken to prevent the recurrence of these raids? The Pariiamentary Secretary to the I Prime Minister (Shri Satish Chandra): Dr. P. S. Deshmukh: May I know if (a) From January 1, 1951 to June 1, Chinese Turkestan is under a Commu 1952, 45. nist Government and if it is a fact that (b) 43 on the Jammu side and 2 on it is under that Government whether the Kashmir side. there is any possibility of trade being opened up in the near future? Loss of human life: Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: Chinese Killed: 4 Other Ranks, and 4 Turkestan is under the People’s Govern civilians. ment of China. Normally Governments are described by their proper names Wounded: 11 Other Ranks, 2 J. and and not by adjectives—hon. Member K. Policemen and 4 civilians. can describe it as he likes. We have every intention of dealing with the Loss of property: Cash besides orna Cl^nese People’s Government in every ments, house-hpld utensils, etc. worth way. approximately Rs. 6,615 were looted. 1085 Oral Answers 20 JUNE 1952 Oral Answers 10 S» 3 Rifles. that two prisoners have settled down in Pakistan-occupied territory in 250 rounds of ammunition Slxeep/ Kashmir, while 5 prisoners cannot be goats 931. traced. Heads of cattle: 125. Mare: one. (c) It is not possible to prevent such raids altogether. Police and troops have been posted along the border and ^ t j o * ^ ^ 'o*“ the cease-fire line to prevent or repel such raids. Owing to the vigilance of the police and the Army, the raids [Shri Ghulam Qaden May I know have decreased in number since the names of those person^ who are October 1951. . still detained in Pakistan?] Shri M. S. Gnrapadaswamy: May I know whether these raids were carried ' »rnr out by the Pakistan Army or Police or by the civilians in Pakistan? at 11 arrinir ■sn?# The Prime Minister (Shri Jawahar- f cftw I la! Nehru): The hon. Member will notice that the result of these raids in the course of a year and a half was LjfJ ^ not very great in the matter of loss of property. These were petty raids, not done officially by the Army. I can not say if it is not possible that the Army was concerned with them, but I cannot say that they were officially [Sbri Gbnlam Qsden WiU he teU organised by the Army. ’ the names of persons who have since settled there?] Shri Puimoose: Will the Prime Minister be pleased to state whether he will consider the supply of arms to our people on the border, so that they may defend themselves against these I ‘ ______raids? Shri Jawaharlal Nehm: There is plenty of patrolling there and sufficient ? iSj (f military force. In fact, there is a kind of militia there which people can [ChudhTi M. Shaffee: What about join who wish to aid in this. their addresses?] Civilian Prisoners in Pakistan TO : ?TnT sft •1662. Shri Ghulam Qader: WiU the Prime Minister be pleased to state: (a) whether it is a fact that some of the civilian prisoners have not yet been released from Pakistan after the Cease-Fire Agreement; and (b) whether there is any corres pondence with the Pakistan Govern ment on this matter? ^ iJ*'* ,J ^ The Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister (Shri Satisb Chandra): (a) and (b). 14 civilian employees of the Jammu and Kashmir Government ? ^ ^ were reported to be in Pakistan jails at the time of the cease-fire. The [Shri Ghulun Qader: I wish to state Government of India suggested to the that the six prisoners arrested in 1948, Pakistan Government that these have not still been released. Four of prisoners should be included in the them were arrested from Sonamerg exchange of prisoners which was and one each from Kargil and Zojila.] agreed to in 1950. Only one prisoner was released at that time, but six Mr. Speaker: The hon. Member is others were released subsequently. giving information. It need not be The Pakistan Government has reported answered. 1987 Ortd 20 JUNK lfS2 Om loss Slifi A. C. QtOai: May I kntm if at (b) if so, from what year; iflid the time of the eease-fire tiiere were any civilian prisober$ from the other (c) on wlkiat basis the schedule rate side with us, and if so, what has is fixed? happened to them? The Minister of Finance (Sm C. Shri SatiA I inquire notice D. Deshmukh): (a) Yes. Sir. for that. (b) fence 194§. B etterment Fek . (c) The rates of schedule were *1665. Dr. Natabar Pandey: Will the worked out 6n the basis of prevailing Minister of Planning and Riyer Valley rates of labour and material. The Sclir^es be pleased to ^ t e : specification^ that were followed in dra’^ing up tTie schedule were com (a) the amoimt soutfit to be piled from the specifications for works realised from the levy of betterment in Ghota Nagpur Cir Shri ELannariEar: It does not belong Silk (Production and Dmport) to the Government of India. Accord ing to information available with us, *1938. Saidar Rnkam SHigil: Will ttie^ the Commonwealth Trust Ltd., inr Minister of OiBnmerce and Ihdvstry be> corporated in England, have ^ven tile pleased to state: m i Written Answers 20 JUNE 1952 Written Answers 1092 .(a) the quantity of raw silk produced have been allotted factory sites, pro in India during 1951-52; minent amongst them being those for (b) the quantity, if any, imported the manufacture of artificial jewellery, during the 'same period; embroidery goods, rubber goods, and glass factory. It has also been decided (c) the name of the State which pro to shift the Government printing Press duced the biggest quantity; - from Simla to Faridabad; this press (d) the total area under mulberry wiU provide employment for a number trees during 1950-51 and 1952; and of workers. The Indian Co-operative Union have been given funds to start (e) whether any steps are being taken certain small-scale industries and this "to encourage sericulture? will employ about 500 workers. The Deputy Minister of Commerce «nd Industry (Shri Karmaikar): (a) In the meanwhile the Faridabad 1,922,088 lbs. administration has been given con * (b) 676,401, lbs. ’ tracts for construction work in Malviyanagar, Kalkajee, Lajpatnagar (c) Mysore. and Karb^a, to provide emplojmient (d) A statement showing the area to the residents of the township xmder mulberry bush as also the temporarily till opportunities for number of mulberry trees cultivated employment of a more permanent -during 1950, 1951 and 1952 is laid on nature can be created. -the Table of the House. Community Projects (e) Yes, Sir. ♦1071. Prof. Agirwal: Will the Minister of Planning and River Valley STATEMENT Schemes be pleased to state: ' Acreage under Number of Mulberry Cul- Mulberry (a) whether all the 55 Community tivation. trees. Projects selected so far will begin functioning on 1st September, 1952; 1950 114,991 1,942,082 (b) how many moi« projects are 1951 149,758 1.980,356 expected to be taken up during the 1952 No increase over next year; the figures for (c) when do the Planning Commis 1951 is at pre sion expect to cover all the villages in sent contetnp]ated India imder such Community Projects; by the various State Govemmeats. (d) when do Government expect to receive a further loan from the U.S. Shri Sudhir Ghosh Government for the Community Pro jects; and ♦1069. Prof. Agarwal: Will the JVIinister of Rehabilitation be pleased (e) whether the loan is being nego to state whether it is a fact that Shri tiated on the same terms as those in • Sudhir Ghosh has gone to America corporated in the Indo-U.S. Technical for directly negotiating a loan from Co-operative Agreement? the U.S. Government for a Pilot Com The Minister of Finance (Shri C. munity Project covering the village D. Deshmukh): (a) According to the surrounding the Faridabad Township? time table which was worked out at The Minister of Rehabilitation the Development Commissioner’s Con (Shri A. P. Jain): No. He has gone ference held last month, work on the there in his personal capacity, after projects is expected to commence early resigning his post in Government in October 1952. service. (b) and (c). The present pro-, Unemployment in Faridabad gramme is the first step in a pro Township gramme of intensive development ♦1070. Prof. Agarwal: Will the which is expected over a period of Minister of Rehabilitation be pleased years, to cover the entire country. The to state what steps Government are precise order in which this expansion ‘^taking to relieve imemployment in the programme will be undertaken will be Faridabad Township? determined from time to time depend ing upon resources available. ^The Minister of Rehabilitation (Shri A. P. Jain): The Government (d) and (e). While there are indica intend to establish a Diesel Engine tions that further assistance from the “Factory at Faridabad in collaboration United States will be available to the with a German firm and this factory year 1952-53, no negotiations are at «will ultimately employ over 1,000 present in progress. No question of •workers. Some private industrialists -negotiations will arise until its precise 16^3 Written Answers 20 itlN fi 1952 Written Answers form and extent are authoritatively Transmitters for Punjab and A ssam communicated to the (Government. *1074. Giani G. S. Mosalin Will the Minister of Information and Broad Rehand Bund Project castin^^ be pleased to state: «1072. Shri Ganpati Ram: WUl the (a) whether it is a fact that two Minister of Planning: and Eiver Valley transmitters of 10 K.W. were imported Schemes be pleased to state: for border States of Assam and Pun (a) whether Rehand Bund Project jab, sometime during the last three (Mirzapur) is included in Multi-pur years; and pose Development Projects: (b) if so, whether it is a fact that (b) if so, when it is going to be no such transmitter has been installed started and with what amount of con in Punjab, and if so, why? tribution by the Central Government; The Minister of Information and (c) whether U.P. Government has Broadcasting (Dr. Keskar): (a) Two decided to share in implementinf; that 10 K.W. medium wave transmitterb project; and were imported in connection with All (d) if so, to what extent? India Radio’s Development Plan; these were not specifically earmarked for The Minister of Finance (Shri C. installation in any particular state. D. DeslunuUi): (a) Yes. (b) Does not arise. (b) No decision has been taken so far. American Cotton (c) and (d). Do not arise. •1075. Shri K. G. Deshmnkh: WiU Transmitters the Minister of Commerce and Indus try be pleased to state. *1073. Giani G. S. Mnsaflr: WiU the (a) the rate of contract per bale of Minister of Information and Broad American cotton purchased during the casting be pleased to state: year 1951-52 by the Government of (a) whether it is a fact that six India for distribution to the Textile transmitters of 50 K.W. were import Mills in India; and ed in 1949 by Government; (b) how many bales of such cotton have reached India up till now? (b) if so, their cost; (c) whether it is a fact that one oi The Deputy Minister € i Commerce these transmitters was meant for and Industry (Shri Kannaikar): (a) Jullundur Radio Station and that t1 No American cotton was purchased by has not been installed there; the Government of India; but import licences have been issued to the mills (d) if so, the reasons therefor; and the trade for import of American Cotton of 11-25 lakh bales. (e) whether it is a fact that most of these transmitters have been lying There is no contract price. It is for idle with the Government for the last importers to settle prices with the four years and that their valves have exporters. become unserviceable; and (b) 8,37,000 bales of 400 lbs. each. (f) if so, the price of those valves and the persons responsible for this loss? The Minister of Information and Broadcasting (Dr. Keskar): (a) Yes, ( ) iftlRT Sir in 1948-49 and 1949-50. 7 (b) Rs. 33-6 lakhs. (c) No, Sir. ^ ’Tft- (d) Does not arise. ’Tfkvhnrr, (e) Some of the valves in these transmitters have been found to have developed defects while in storage. (f) The cost of the valves is Rs. 2 lakhs approximately. The damage aftr f ? appears to be due to poor quality of material on manufacturing defects and claims have been preferred on the manufacturers for free replacements. 113 PSD. im Written Answers SO JUNE 1952 Written Ansu^ets lofte The Bfiiiister of Finance (Shri C. the expenditure on the Hirakud Dam D. Peslunnkh): (a) Yes, Sir. They Project:— are received regularly from the Prcv- ject authorities. Rs. (lakhs) 1948-49 81 (b) Does not arise. 1949-50 307 Co ir and Coir Gk>ODS 1950-51 439 Shri A. M. Thomas: Will the 1951-52 800 Minister of Commerce and Industry be pleased to state: Total 1,627 (a) the total quantity of coir, coli Interest on the above loans are fibre and coir products exported front being paid by the State Government India in the year 1951-52; regularly. . (b) the countries to which they (b) Rs. 72,35,000. Wjere exported and the quantity that (c) Staff are allowed rent free was exported to each country; quarters and free electricity. Con (£) the value of the quantity ex sumption of free electricity has been ported from India; recently restricted to certain limits for different categories of staff. (d) what is the total quantity of (d) Does not arise. the above articles exported in the year, 1952; and (e) Yes, Sir. A Construction (Com pensatory) Allowance of 20 per cent, of (e) whether Government have goi pay is paid to all officers in Classes any scheme to stimulate exports of I and II and staff Class III and Class coir and coir goods? IV subject to the following maximum limits:— The Deputy Minister of. Commerce and Industry (Shri Karmaritar): (a) Designation Maximum limit to (c). A statement is placed on the Table of the House. [See Appendix V, Chief Engineer, Su- annexure No. 45.] perintendi^ Engineers and Officers of equiva- (d) 15/809 tons diuring the 1st lant rank . . Rs. ISOper menseti. quarter of 1952. Executive Engineers (e) /Die matter is receiving coi> and oflBcers o f equi siderfition. valent rank . . R9. 120 „ Assistant Executive A dvances to Orissa Government Engineers, Assistant FOR Hirakud Dam Project Engineers and o£ficers ♦1078. Shri B. N. Misra: Will the of equival«it rank. Rs. 75 „ „ Minister of Planning and River Valley Class i n and Class Schemes be pleased to state. IV staff . . Rs. 100 .. (a) how much money has been advanced to the State of Orissa to wards the Hirakud Dam Project and W ool whether the Orissa State Government has paid the interest on the amount *1079. Shri Balwant Sinha Mehta: advanced up-to-date; i Will the Minister of Commerce and (b) what is the total cost incurred Industry be pleased to state: for the construction of the houses for (a) the total quantity of wool pra the staff at the Hirakud Dam Project; duced in India and the percentage thereof produced in Rajasthan; and (c) in^iether the staff pay any charges for lighting in their quarters (b) whether the traders of Rajas and also for the rent of the houses; than have been allowed to export wool outside India in proportion to the pro (d) if so, what amount; and duction there? (e) whether the staff employed in The Deputy Minister of Commerce the Hirakud Dam Project are paid and Industry (Shri Karmarkar): (a) construction allowances and if The annual production of wool in sbu at what rate? India is estimated at 54-53 million lbs a year and Rajasthan’s share is 32-5 The Minister of Finance (Shri C. per cent, D. Deslmrakh): (a) Government have advanced the following loans to the (h) Wool is being licensed freely foi State of Orissa to enable them to n^eet export valid for shipment upto 31s 1097 Written Answers 20 JUNE 1952 Written Ansvoert 1096 August 1952 and the traders of Rajas (a) the number of Industrial Exhi than can now export accordingly. bitions arranged for the year 1961-52 in (i) India and (ii) abroad, the Ingredients for Fertiliser Production amount expended for that purpose and the places where they were h ^ ‘. *1080. Shri Balwant Sinha Mehta; and Will the Minister of Production be (b) the number of show-rooms pleased to state: established (i) in India and (ii) abroad (a) the main and bulk ingredient in the same year and the places where, used in preparing fertilizers at Sindri; they are established? * (b) from where it is obtained and The Deputy Minister of Commerce at what price; and Industry (Shri Karmarkar): (a) (i) Seven exhibitions were arranged (c) what is the cost of transportation in India. of this material per ton; and (ii) Ten exhibitions were arranged (d) through what agency fertilizers abroad. are sold and what is the middleman’s profit? Two statements of the extiibitions arranged (1) in India and (2) abroad showing places and expenditure are The Minister of Prodaction (Shii K. laid on the Table of the House. C. Reddy); (a) Gypsum. [See Appendix V, annexure No. 46.] • (b) From Rajasthan. The present (b) (i) No show-room has been price is Rs. 5/6/- per ton. F.O.R. organised in India. , Jamsar Railway Station. (c) About Rs. 34 per ton. (ii) A start has been made by our High Commissioner in London to (d) Ammonium Sulphate produced organise an Indian show-room at 28, at Sindri and that imported from Coxpur Street. The expenditure in abroad is distributed to State Govern curred so far is Rs. 4121/10/3. ments and Commercial and Industrial interests according to their demands, at a uniform pool price fixed on a srhrtoi w “no-profit no-loss basis’*. The question of middleman’s profit does not, there qno (^ ) fore, arise so far as the sale of the fertilizer to the State Governments and the commercial and industrial interests are concerned; so far as the ^ ^ f «TT distribution by the State Governments of the quotas allotted to them is con 3Tf?T ^ 5? cerned the Government of India have no exact information but it is under *1^ d*!> ^ stood that the distribution is done by them through commission agents. Sericulture Research Station ♦lOM. Shri Madiah Gowda: Will ( t ) the Minister of Commerce and Indus (^ ) 5pf*N5*r; try be pleased to state: (a) what steps Government have taken in the matter of starting a Cen tral Sericulture Research Station; and (V) p r ^ ; (b) when it will come into opera tion? («) ^ aiw ^ ^ ^fi»r ^ The Deputy Minister of Commerce and Industry (Shri Karmarkar): (a) and (b). A Central Sericultural Re search Station is already functioning ^ 5 r r t I at Berhampore since 1943. (>r) ^ w «fh: Industrial ExniBinoNs 5 *1082. Shri Madiah Gowda: Will the Minister of Commerce and Indus try be pleased to state: s w fT fipir t i 1099 Written Answers 20 JUNE 1952 Written Answers noo The Minister of Finance (Shri C. (a) the comparative position of D. Deshmukh): (a) Government have Match Industry in India from the year not received any loan or other assis 1948 to 1951 so far as production tance directly in connection with the figures are concerned; Grow More'Food Campaign from any (b). whether matches manufactured of the sources mentioned. in India are sufficient to meet the re (b) Does not arise. quirement of the Country; and ' (c) As already stated, no part of (c) the quantum of export or im Uie assistance received from these port of matches in 1951-52? M>Urces is utilised directly for the Grow More Food Campaign. The Deputy Minister of Commerce and Industry (Shri Karmarkar): (a) Dam on River Natab Production of matches during the years 1948 to 1951 is given below:— «1084. Shri Bhakta Darshan: Will the Minister of Planning and River Year Production Valley Schemes be pleased to state: (a) whether investigations about the (In cases of 50 gross proposed dam at'Marora on the river boxes of 60 sticks Nayar in district Garhwal (UP.) have each) been completed; 1948 5,33,610 1949 5,28,755 (b) the final recommendations of the experts about its feasibility; 1950 5,19,395 1951 5,77,472 (c) the amount^ of money estimated to be spent on its construction; (b) Yes, Sir. (d) the expenditure so far incurred (c) on the project; Value (e) whether it has been included in the Five Year Plan; and In cases of 50 (f) if not, whether it will be taken gross boxes of up ih any future Plans? 60 sticks each. Bs. The Minister of Finance (Shri C. Exports D. Deshmukh): (a) to (d). The inf or* 440 87.597 mation is being collect^ and will be Imports placed on the Table of the House as 10 Approx. 1,548 soon as possible. ' (e) No, Sir. Sound Systems in Parliament (f) It is not possible to give any ♦1087. Shri B. N. Singh: Will the indication at this stage. Minister of Works, Housing and Supply be pleased to state: Standing Committees (a) the respective costs of the ins *1085. Shri S. N. Das: Will the tallations of sound equipments in the Prime Minister be pleased to refer to House of the People and the Council the reply to starred question No. 247 of States and the recurring expendi asked on the 27th February, 1952 and ture (monthly or annually) on the state: maintenance of the equipments; (a) whether the Government of (b) whether they ^ v e been iihport- India have now finally decided to ed from foreign countries and if so, abolish the Standing Committees from what countries and through what attached to vvious Ministries; and agencies; and (b) if not, the reasons for the delay (c) whether the systems used in in getting such Committees set up as either Chamber are latest discoveries usual? or only old ones? The Minister of Works, Housing The Prime Minister (Shri Jawabns and Supply (Sardar Swaran Slni^): lal Nehm): (a) Yes. (a) Cost of the sound equipments, in (b) Does not arise. cluding air freight, customs duty and installation charges, in the House of Match Industry the People and the Council of States is Rs. 78,561 and Rs. 53,813 respec •1080. Shri M Islamnddln: WiU the tively, and the monthly recurring ex Minister of Commerce and IndnstrY penditure for both the Houses toge^er be pleased to state: ' is Rs. 500. iloi Written Answers 20 JUNE 1952 Written Answers 1102 (b) Yes, they have been imported been completed. Land acquisition from England and Holland respectively, proceedings for main canal and through the Director General, India foundation work and canal excavation Stores Department, London. are in progress. (c) Both of them are up-to-date (c) About 1958. * modem sets. (d) 90,000 acres in Kaira District. R estrictions on I ndia ns in M a la ya *1088. Shri B. N. Roy: Will the C o m m u n it y P r o je c ts in B o m b a y Prime Minister be pleased to state; *1092. Shri Dabhi: Will the Minis (a) whether there is any restric ter of Planning and River Valley tion against raising funds, establish Schemes be pleased to state: ment o f new institutions and start (a) which areas in Bombay State ing organisations political or non-poli have been selected for the purpose of tical by the Indian citizens who are operating Community Projects; at present in Singapore and Malaya; (b) if so, the steps taken by the (b) what machinery has been set up Indian Government for removing those for the implementation of these Pro restrictions: and jects: and (c) whether the Government of (c) what progress has been made in India have become strict in giving the implementation of these projects passports to the Indian citizens who and how long it will take to imple want to go to Singapore and Malaya in ment them? connection with business? The Minister of Finance (Shri C. The Parliamentary Secretary to the D. Deshmnkh): (a) 4 Projects and one Prime Minister (Shri Satish Chandra): Development Block have been allotted (a) and (b). Government are not to Bombay as follows:— aware of any such restrictions. (1) Mehasana district (Vijapur- (c) On receiving reports that some Kalol Tehsils). skilled workers had gone to Malaya (2) Kolhapur district (Kameer- evading the provisions of the Indian Panhala Tehsils). Emigration Act by misrepresenting themselves to be businessmen, instruc (3) Thana-Kolaba districts (Kal- tions have been issued to passport yab-Karjet-Khalapur Tehsils). issuing authorities to scrutinize care (4) Belgaum district (Hukkeri- fully the claims made by intending Gokak Tehsils). travellers to be businessmen. (5) Sabarkantha district—one Development Block. M a h i C anal P rojec t (b) The Government of Bombay Shri Dabhl: Will the Minister have set up a State Develonment Com of Planning and River Valley Schemes mittee in connection with the execution be pleased to state: of Community Development Projects (a) whether it is a fact that the consisting of the following:— Mahi Canal Project has been included in the First Five Year Flan; (1) The Honourable the Chief Minister (Chairman). (b) if the answer to part (a) above (2) The Honourable Minister for be in the affirmative, what progress Revenue, Agriculture and has been made by it; Forests. (c) when the whole project will be (3) The Hon*ble Minister for completed; and Finance. (d) how many acres of land wi(l (4) The Hon’ble Minister for come under irrigation on completion - Public Works. of the Project? (5) The Hon’ble Minister for Co-operation. The Minister of Finance (Shri C. (6) The Chief Secretory to Govt, D. Deshmnkh): (a) Yes, Sir, in respect and Development Commis of Stage I Weir Scheme only. sioner (Secretary to the Com mittee). (b) Approach road to Weir site, geological and geophysical surveys for (7) The Secretary to the Govern the Weir Site, exploratory boring ment, Revenue Dspartment. operation for finalising the site and (8) The Secretary to Government, ■ ^J«:triflc9tion of Thasra Colony have Finance Department. 1103 Written Answers 20 JUNE 1952 Written Answers 1104 (9) The Secretary to Government, Surplus Stores Public Works Department. (10) The Secretary to Govern 220. Sardar Hukam Singh; Will the ment, Agriculture and Forests Minister of Works, Honsing and Department. Supply be pleased to state: (c) Preliminary survey of the pro (a) the value of surpluses awaiting ject areas is in progress and this is disposals on 31st March, 1952; expected to be completed by 15tb July 1952. Actual work on the project areas (b) the book value of surplus stores will commence early in October, 1952 utilised by Government Departments in time for the rabi season. The work during the year; - on Community Projects, as at present envisaged, is a three year programme (c) the book value of the surplus beginning this year with a view to stores sold to educational and research completion within three years. institutions during 1951-52; and Community Projects in dry areas (d) the amount realized from sale of stores mentioned in part (c) above? ♦1093. Shri Chinaria: WiU the Minister of Planning and River Valley p e Minister of Works, Honsing Schemes be pleased to state how and Supply (Sardar Swaran Singh): many of the Community Projects have (a) Rs. 28i crores (Book Value). been located in unirrigated areas, hav ing low average annual rainfall? (b) Rs. 6'32 crores during 1951-52. (c) Rs. 93 lakhs. The Minister of Finance (Shri C. (d) Rs. 8 lakhs. D. Deshmukh): None of the areas selected for the Community Projects is completely unirrigated. The follow Coarse and Medium Cloth (Prices) ing areas have an average annual rain fall of 20" or less, but are reported to Sttbhag Singh: Will have existing irrigation facilities or the Mmister of Commerce and Indus possibilities of development of irriga try be pleased to state whether the tion:— reduced prices of coarse and medium cloth were intended to be in force (1) Belgaum District (Hukkeri- only for the month of May 1952? Gokak Tehsils) in Bombay State. (2) Sonipat in Punjab State. The Deputy Minister of Commerce (3) Nakhatrana-Bhuj Tehsils in Md- Aidustry (Shri Karmarkar): Yes. The prices have again been revised Kutch State. from the 1st June, 1952. (4) Bikaner in Rajasthan State. (5) Jodhpur in Rajasthan State. Radcliffe A ward 222. Dr. Ram Subhag Singh: (a) Will the Prime Minister be leased to ^ate whether it is a fact that the Deputy Commissioners of Amritsar and Lahore recently held several meet ings to demarcate the boundary between these two districts in accord I ft?, ance with the terms of the Radcliflfe Award? ^ 3RTT ^ (b) If so, with what result? (b) Negotiations are still going on. srnTTtff vr tot The Minister of WotIss, Honsing and Supply (Sardar Swaran Singh): . (a) and (b). I would invite the atten tion of the hon. Member to the reply ^ nm ^ afkjNiw: given by me to his starred question No. 928 on the 17th June 1952. ^ iTT^ ^ I : llo6 Written Answers 26 JUNE 19^2 WriUen Answirs lio* mation is being collected from the (^ ) Government of Orissa and wUl be placed on the Table of the House as (m) soon as possible. ( R ate of Compensation AT Hiraki] D.V.C. Dam P roject 226. Prof. Agarwal: Will the Minister 224. Dr. Natabar Pandey: Will the of Planning and River Valley Schemes Minister of Planning and River Valley be pleased to state the decision of the Schemes be pleased to state; recent Inter-Slate Conference on the Damodar Valley Corporation? (a) the average rate at which com #■ pensation is being paid to the people The Minister of Finance (Shri C. affected by the Hirakud Dam Proiect D. Deshmukh): The conference ap for (i) a mango (ii) Mahua (ill) proved of the estimates of the Maithon Orange (iv) tamarind tree and one Project. It was decided that the height acre land of (v) Bahai (vi) Bema of the Maithon Dam shall be at RJj. (vii) Mai and (viU) at variety; 500. As regards Panchet Hill Dam. the Damodar Valley Corporation were (b) whether the above rate of com asked to prepare a detailed estimate pensation of land is fixed on the within two months and obtain the principle of paying only 50 per cent, approval of the participating Govemr- above the 1939 market value; and ments. The Corporation were also (c) whether the index of prices in asked to keep the participating Grovern- Sambalpur and Orissa is more than ments informed of any increase in the five hundred if the price of basic year cost of estimates from time to time 1939 be taken? and to send a monthly statement showing the cost accounts to the The Minister of Fin:ance (Shri C. technical representatives of the parti D. Dcshm«kh): (a) to (c). The infor cipating Governments. llo7 Written Answers 26 Jt)K£ 1952 Written Answers ilofl TfWt (^ ) \V\\ ^ tfW t -a. -w r,, A . ^ ^ »l^ft f?y Tfftr ? W «tTTo t?w m : WT " ^ ______' _____ ; ^ . .-v ^ The Minister of Informatioa and q v n ?WT SRITf^ ^ Broadcasting (Dr. Keskar): (a) and g -, y-v- . (b). Statistics are maintained only in . respect of licences issued for posses sion of Radio receiving sets. Under (sp) >irof # ^inr an# ?"® licence a lirensee can operate more ' ' than one set of any country of origin at the licensed premises; it is there fore, not possible to state the number / —\ _ *■> ^ ' -SL radio sets or the country of their arr^ origin. The number of radio licences ^ ^ =A 31st December 1951 was 6,77,050. ^ ^ ^T^!TT ; anT (c) Rs. 84,39,000*. THE A C C . N O ...... PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES .... (Part II—^Proceedings other than Questions and Answers) OFFICIAL REPORT ^ 2237 2 J 3 8 HOUSE OF THE PEOPLE Members, who really want these translations. That is. a .summary of the Friday, 2Jth June, 1952. questions and answers or of the spe eches, provided they are not more than one or two, could be given—not ^ The House rruet at a Quarter Past the full speeches or replies, as they are in the original, but just a summary Eight o / the Clock. for the information of Members. [M n . S p e a k e r in the Chair] This. I thought fit to do, because the tianslalions and then the printing and publication of the proceedings take QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS an unduly long time and it will prac tically be useless to tell them that (See Part I) they would have these translations in due course. This is just to meet the urge;it. ')onn iidc need of a Member, who is interested in a particular ques 9 -1 5 A.M. tion and wants to know what answer ^TOANSLATION OF HINDI SPEECHES the Minister has given or what points the Minister has made. So, as an ex Mr. Speaker: 1 have to make perimental measure. I restrict the certain announcements to the House. supply in the first instance to answers I hjive to inform hon. Members that given or speeches made by the Minis the Joint Committee of the Houses of ters. Then, by its very nature, it will be still more restricted: in case a Mem Parliament appointed to consider and ber wants any such fr'inslrition rte report on the question of payment of shall inform the Secretary befnre the salaries and allowances to Members House rises—not by rising in the of Parliament will also consider and House but immediately bv passing a report to Parliament what abbrevia note that “I want translation of such tions should be used for Members of and such a specific question” or a -the House of the People and of the particular part (not the Vv'hole) of the ^"ouncil of States. speech of a particular Minister on a particular question. Then a summary A mild dissatisfaction was express will be made and that will be made ed that some of the Members of the available the next day. If a larger Council of States did not like the ap number ol requests like that come in, pellation “M.C.”, and that point will . naturally this question would have to have to be considered as both the ho again—as to whether it Houses together from the Parliament. should be continued. So, that is the 'That is why a reference is made. So, present arrangement. It would have the Committee would make its recom to be seen how it works, how the stnff mendation. is able to cope with it, what amount of work we get, and then we shall see . A request wqs made, I think, in th€^ whether any change is necessary. I %eginninf? of this week by Mr. Pocker may also say that if such requests for the supply of translations in the come from day to day it will not be case of proceedings (questions and possible to continue this arrangement/ answers or speeches) in Hindi. With That is about the translations. a view to meeting genuine requests made for having information, I got Shrl Sarangadhar Das (Dhenkanal— the question examined. It is not pos West CuttpckV Sir, may I make a sible to give full translations of all submission? Would you also concede questions and nnswer.s or of soeeches. the necessity of giving a translation but it is possible to meet wishes of in HincJT of the answers in English 70 PSD 1239 Business of the House 20 JUNE 1952 Translation of Hindi Speeches 2240 l&hri Sarangadhar Das] rhiit the Minister give, or of any dis- Mr. Speaker: What I have nc*titied c’uiii^ion in English, because there are is the general consensus of agreement jrcore.s of Members in this Pnrhameni among the parties, and it is quile pos vviio are only Hindi-Speakinfi? sible to differ as regards each of the items. There may be as many views Mr. Speaker: If the request is go as there jire Members. We have to ing to be multiplied, then perhaps I carry on the discussion. I had. there might have to withdraw even the little fore, suggested originally that instead experiment I am trying to make! Let of trying to cover the whole ground in be restricted at present only to this one year only, certain departments genuine cases, and let us not raise any ^ or certain Demands be taken up and theoretiJcal or academic points. Let they may be disQiaJue^; at suflicient us see how we proceed. If we cope length. But it wq[5<:lhe idea, more with this genuine demand, then cer particularly of the newcomers, thai tainly we should make an attempt, be they may survey the whole field at cause we want those who do not under least once, for the first time, and that stand, to understand the thing—that is from next year they would try the chief point; and also in view of the to take up only particular. De- rather unfortunate language contro niands. as they expect that by that versy which, sometimes of late, has led time, they will get much more con to feelings—I need not say without pro versant with the business of the Gov- ' per cause, because proprieties should ernment. That is why we are doing be judged by each Member on his own. this. But it is a matter of agreement among the parties. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE TRANSLATION OF HINDI SPEECHES Mr. Speaker: Hon. Members are Mr. Speaker: One thing I missed aware that on the 1st and 2nd July, to mention about the translations, and 3 952 in addition to Demands for that is that, when copies of sum Grants under the control of the maries are supplied it has to be remem Ministry of Finance, Demands for bered that, those will be the sum Grants relating to Planning and maries of uncorrected speeches and Health will also be discussed and therefore one cannot, theoretically, submitted to the vote of the House. give gurantee that they represent In order to give maximum time for corractly th? M nister’s statement*, discussion, the Question Hours on 1st though for all practical purposes th?y and 2nd July will be dispensed with can be taken as such. Some of the and the following time-table will be Members seem to be in doubt about observed in connection with discussion this. The difficulty is that when the of the Demands for Grants under speeches axe recorded here, they are Health. Planning and Finance:— sent to the Ministers as well as Mem bers for correction, and if we are to Ministry Dot and Time give the translations the very next day, necessarily they are translations ]. Honlth Tuoaday, the 1st July, 1952 or summaries of uncorrected speeches. (From 8-15 A.M. to 11-30 It may be that a certain Member may A.M. including reply to the like to correct what he has stated— debate by the Health Min that means, wrongly reported and not ister). re-writing the whole speech, not in 2. Planning Tuearlav. the 1st July, 1952 that sense. Therefore, that Is one (From 1 -3 A.M. to i r.M.) safeguard, which I should keep from and Wedno^dny, the 2nd the very beginning before the* Mem July, 19 2 (From 8-15 A.M. bers that, in case of any difTerence, to 1() A.M.) inclunive of the later on. between what vas s.upnlied reply. and what is actually the speech as corrected, no point of order or other 3. Finance Wednesday, the 2nd July wise can or should be raised by any 1952 (From 10 A.M. to Member that the translation or the I P.M ) and Thursday, the 3rd July, 1952 (Finance summary of the speech was this, while' Minister will reply to the the speech as such was this and there Debate at 9-15 A.M.) fore the hon. Member wai* nvisled. In order to make thaf ■ poJUit very Shri B. Das (Jajpur-Keonjhar): May clear, I am stating ihi^. ^ . I submit that the Finance Ministry is Shri Kandasamy (Tiruchengode): controlling Ministry over all the On a point of information. I w.'^nt to Ministries? If it is discussed within out a Question in TamiWand I do not just three hours the Finance Ministry know Hindi and English well. How will go scot-free. can I do that? 2241 General Budget — 20 JUNE 1952 Demand^ for Grants 2242 Mr. Speaker: The hon. Member’s valley schemes. Is that what he statement in the House that he does means? . not know English sufficiently well, is not very convincing, but if he wants Pandit D. N. Tiwary: In the pre it in any other lan^juage, he should, vious bulletin it was stated that in that case, request some obliging today’s discussion will be on planning friend of his to get the translation. and river valley schemes and in the It cannot be done by the Parliament bulletin of the 17th June, it was Secretariat. changed to Irrigation and Power. I wish to know whether ‘irrigation* wiU cover the river valley projects INDIAN,-. COMPANIES (AMEND- alif. ...nj -;y-TVIENT) BILL The Minister of Planning and Irri The Minister of Finance (Shri C. D. gation and Power (Shri Nanda): The Deshmulih): I beg to move for leave intention was that we might not bring to introduce a Bill further to amend in the work of the Planning Com the Indian Companies Act, 1913. mission as a whole here, but all planning matters connected with Mr. Speaker: The question ir,: irrigation and power might be dis “That leave be granted to in cussed today. troduce a Bill further to amend Shri A. C. Guha (Santipur): In the Indian Companies Act, 1913.” cluding river valley schemes? The motion was adopted. Shri Nanda: Yes. Shri C. D. Deshmukh: I introduce Mr. Speaker: All plans, I under the Bill. stand will be discussed on the day when the Planning Commission is go ing to be discussed, but the actuah pro jects in hand about river valleys and RUBBER (PRODUCTION AND irrigation will be discussed together. MARKETING) AMENDMENT BILL Am I correct? The Deputy Minister of Commerce and Industry (Shri Karmarkar): I Shri Nanda: Yes, Sir. beg to move for leave to introduce a Bill further to amend the Rubber Shri Jhunjhunwala (Bhagalpiir Cen (Production and Marketing) Act, 1947. tral): While we have a discussion on planning, shall we be able to refer Mr. Speaker: * The question is: to the river valley projects also on that day? ' That leave be granted to in troduce a Bill further to amend I want to know the position about the Rubber (Production and the Damodar Vtilley Project. Marketing) Act, 1947.” Shri Nanda: The Damodar Valley The motion was adopted. Project is there and the work is going Shri Karmarkar: I introduce the on and according to what you said, Bill. Sir, it is a project in hand. Mr. Speaker: It is not so much a question as to what I said. I will GENERAL BUDGET—DEMANDS FOR make it clear as to what the parties GRANTS intended and have agreed. The diffi culty has arisen because there is a Pandit D. N. Tiwary (Saran South): change of portfolios and re-formation I find that there is a change in the of the Ministries after the budget was profjramme today. In the previous presented to the House. I under ppgram m e it was stated that plan stand that the intention is that, all ning and river valley projects would projects which are not actually under be discussed. Today it has been the consideration of the Planning chanapd to Irrigation and Power. CommljBsion to-day are going to be WcKim ‘Irrigation’ cover the river discussed to-day. The others will be y a ^sf projects? discussed later on, as I just announc Mr. Speaker: I said that it wiU be ed. discussed under Planning. Pandit D. N. Tiwary: If anybody An Hon. Member: No, Sir. wants to request that a certain plan should be incorporated in the Five Mr. Speaker: He refers to the Year Plan, when will that be dis- capital outlay on multi-purpose river ri!Fsed? 1243 General Budgft— 20 JUNE 1952 Demands for Grants 2244 Mr. Speaker: That will obviously the Ministry of Natural Resour,ces come ,under the Planning Commission. and Scientific Research.;” As I said plans which are actually in progress today will be coming up D e m a n d N o . 123—C a p i t a l O u t l a y o n for discussion today, and not the M ultipurpose R i v e r S c h e m e s . plans contemplated or proposed to be altered, which come under planning. Mr. Speaker: Motion is: Those plains are not coming for “That a sum not exceeding > discussion today. That is how I un Rs. 2,04,43,000 be granted to the derstand the intention. » Pre^dent, out of the Consolidated Fuija of India to compl^tte the Now there is an agreed list of cut sum necessary to deli^ the motions. The Demand uuder dis charges that will come ii| course cussion will be the Ministry of Irriga of payment during the year end tion and Power. I am placing the ing the 31st day of March, 1953, Demands, Nos. 71, 75, 76 and 123 be in respect of ‘Capital Outlay on fore the House and the cut motions Multipurpose River Schemes.’ ” that are agreed may be moved. Irrigational facilities in Maharashtra D e m a ^td No. 71— I r r i g a t i o n ( i n c l u d i n g WORKING EXPENSES) NAVIGATION, Shrl S. S. More (Sholapur): I beg .E m b a n k m e n t a n d D r a i n a g e W o r k s to move: ( m e t FR O M R e v e n u e ). “That the demand under the Mr. Speaker: Motion is: head ‘Irrigation, Navigation, Em bankment and Drainage Works “That a sum not exceeding (met from Revenue)’ be reduced Rs. 16,000 be granted to the by Rs. 100.” President, out of the Consolidated Fund of India to complete the ^ Policy sum necessary to defray the charges that will come in course Shri Meghnad Saha (Calcutta North of payment during the year end West) : I beg to move: ing the 31st day of March, 1953, in respect of Irrigation (including “That the demand under the working expenses), Navigation, head ‘Multipurpose River Schemes* Embankment and Drainage be reduced by Rs. 100.” Works (met from Revenue).’” River Valley Project D e m a n d No. 75—M ultipurpose R i v e r Shri T. K. Chandhuri (Berham- S c h e m e s . pore): I beg to move: Mr. Speaker: Motion is: “That the demand under the head ‘Multipurpose River Schemes’ “That a sum not exceeding be reduced by Rs. 100.” Rs. 27,60,000 be granted to the President, out of the Consolidated Progress of River Valley Projects Fund of India to complete the sum necessary to defray the Shri Ramachandra Reddi (Nel- charges that will come in course lore): I beg to move: of payment during the year end ing the 31st day of Mar^h, 1953, “That the demand under the in respect of ‘Multipurpose! River head ‘Multipurpose River Schemes* Schemes.* ” be reduced by Rs. 100.” D e m a n d No. 76— M iscellaneous D e Overhauling of administrative p a r t m e n t s AND E x p e n d i t u r e u n d e r machinery THE M i n i s t r y o p N a t u r a l R .^- Shri Meghnad Saha: 1 beg to move: SOXTRCES AND S c iE N tlF I C RESEARCH . “That the demand . under the Mr. Speaker: Motion is: ^ head ‘Multipurpose River Schemes “That a sum not exceeding be reduced by Rs. 100.** Rs. 31,72,000 be granted to the Re-organisations of Hirakud adminis President, out of the Consolidated trative machinery * Fund of India to complete the sum necessary to defray the ShH Sarangadhar Daa (Dhen1|$nal- charges that will come in course West Cuttack): I beg to move: of payment during the year end ing tl^ 31st day of Marcn, 1953, “That the demand under the in respect of ‘Miscellaneous De head ‘Multipurpose River Schemes partments and Expenditure under be red u c^ by Rs. 100. 2245 General Budget— 20 JUNE 1952 Demands for Grants 2246 Mr. Speaker: Demand No. 76. Cut Wastage due to change of policy motion No. 728. Shri Sarangadhar Das: I beg to Delay in execution of Hirakud Projects move: " Shri R. N. Deo (Kalahandi-Bol^n- ‘ “That the demand under the gir): I beg to move: head ‘Multipurpose River Schemes’ be reduced by Rs. 100.’' “That the demand under the head ‘Miscellaneous Departments Mr. Speaker: These can be taken and Expenditure under the Minis to' have been moved. The usual time try of Natural Resources and limit. I believe, will apply. I need Sciehtifit Research’ be reduced not say now when I shall call upon by Rs. ’100.” the Minister to reply. Mr. Speaker: Then, demand No. Shri Ramaseshaiah (Parvathipuram): There is one more cut motion of mine, 123. Cut motion .No. 1109. I think Sir. that comes under Planning. Shri Nanda: Yes; that would come Mr. Speaker: What is the number? under Planning. Shri Ramaseshaiah: No. 1108. Mr. Speaker: I am not placing that Mod'fication in Damodar Valley before the House. The next cut mo Projcct tion is No. 1110. To discuss the policy wiin regard to Multipurpose Shri Rama.seshaiah: I beg to mov’^e: River Schemes. What does he mean by that? Does he want to discuss “That the demand under the head with reference to the projects intended ‘Capital Outlay on Multipurpose to be taken up by the Planning Com River Schemes’ be reduced by Rs. mission, or the present schemes? 100.” , Shri Sivamurthi Swami (Kushtagi): Shri Gopala Rao (Gudivada): Both. There is my cut motion No. 1125, Sir. Mr. Speaker: If he wants to dis Mr. Speaker: That is relating to cuss the present schemes, he can do Demand No. 81. so on this cut motion. But, if he wants to discuss the policy which is Shri Sivamurthi Swami: No. 1124, going to be adopted by the Planning Sir. Commission, -this cut motion need not and cannot be moved now. It seems Tungabhadra project in Hyderabad he wants to discuss both. I think he had better Umit his observations to Shri Sivamurthi Swami: I beg to the present schenrfes, if at all he gets move: a chance to speak and he may limit “That the demand under the his observations within the limits head ‘Multipurpose River Schemes’ which I have mentioned in the beginn be reduced by Rs. 100.” ing. I am placing this cut motion also before the House. Shri Pocker Sabeb (Malappuram): Sir, t want to move cut motion No. PoJlc'i Rc Multipurpose Rii^er Schemes 431 under Demand No. 71. * * Shri Gopala Rao: I beg to move: Mr. Speaker: Is it a scheme under the Central Government or is it a pro vincial scheme? “That the demand under the head ‘Capital Outlay on Multi The Minister of Finance (Shri C. D. purpose River Schemes’ be reduce- De.shmukh): It is a State scheme for ed by Rs. 100.” which some assistance has been re quested from the Central Government. Mr. Speaker: There arc two more ci^t motions. Demand No 123, cut- Mr. Speaker: L am doubtful whe motion No. 1107. Demand No. 75; ther it could be discussed here be ciU motion 1102. cause that is a State project and the policy responsibility is of the Madras State. I do not think I can place that be Shri Sarangadhar Das: I beg to fore the House. move: Shri Ppcker Saheb: Money for the “That the demand under the .':rhemc is advanced by the Centre. head ‘Capital Outlay on Multi- It is for lack of help from the Centre puroose River Schemes’ be reduc that the execution of the ffohtme has ed by Rs. 100.” been slowed down. 2247 Gemral Budget— 20 JUNE 1952 Demands for Grants 2248 Shri Kelappan (Ponnani): That is as much. If you take the Ganges in the Five Year Plan. River and all its tributaries, it will be 100 times as much. Mr. Speaker: If it is in the Five Year Plan, that may be taken up un So, when undertake a work of such der Planning. All right; let it be be .stupendous nature, it is very neces fore the House. Let us have as much sary that you get the proper adminis as possible within 2& hours. trative experience by taking up a small project. So that was the reason Execution o/ Malampuzha Scheme why ^the Damodar Valley Project was first, chosen. There are some other Shri Pocker Saheb: I beg to move: reasons, namely that in order to exe “That the demand under the cute a river valley project, we re head ‘Irrigation, Navigation, Em quire certain data, the amount of bankment and Drainage Works water which flows through the river, (met from Revenue)’ be reduced the topographical nature, the mine by Rs. 100.” rals, the geological formation and so Mr. Speaker: All the cut motions on. All these were very well known moved by the hon. Members are in the case of Damodar Valley. A placed before the House. Now, we lot of preparatory work had been will start. The usual time limit iS done and an expert from the Tennessee there. The Minister will require for Valley had been brought to make a reply... preliminary plan. It was on the basis of all this data that the Government Shri Nanda: Forty-five minutes to took the resolution to launch the one hour. Damodar Valley Proiect, but here I must say my support of the Govern Mr. Speaker:...... Half an hour or ment ends. 45 minutes? To review the work of the Damodar Shri Nanda : All right; 45 minutes. Valley Corporation during the last Mr. Speaker: That may be consi few years of its existence, Par dered later. The discussion may pro liament appointed an Estimates Com ceed. Shri Meghnad Saha. mittee. The report of the Estimates Committee is before Parliament. Now, Shri Meghnad Saha; I beg to this Committee made disclosures ‘move. . . . which no Government can ignore, and before we vote further sums for this Mr. Speaker: He can take the cut project, it is very necessary to draw motion as moved. He can mention the attention of this House to the the subject if he wants. gross irregularities which have been perpetrated by the Damodar Valley Shri Meghnad Saha: I am parti Corporation. We have already spent cularly insisting on the cut motion to more than Rs. 20 crores on the Damo discuss the desirability of overhauling dar Valley. What has been the re the whole administrative machinery sult? Out of the 12 dams which were of these River Valley Projects. These under contemplation, it is said that River Valley Projects had been dis only four will be taken up, and after cussed before the Congress Govern four years of work, we find that only ment came into power and a good one dam has been completed, and deal of spade work had been done. It that dam is the smallest dam in the was a very good thing on the part of whole valley. It is little better than the Congress Government that they a pond, and the entire work has not took up very energetically the execu reached even the planning stage. tion of these River Valley projects and We have, been told that the Damo I am wholeheartedly in agreement dar Valley is tackling a thermal power with them that priority was given to station at Bokaro. This thermal the Damodar Valley project. power station was contemplated as a stand-by, that is to say, when other If you take the different River dams had been completed, this was Valley projects, you can find out the to have been taken up. But, on the estimate of the amount of work to be insistence of the World Bank, this has done from the data before you. The been taken up. This power project, Damodar is a small river and the I am told, is very near completion, basin also is small. If you take the but for this no credit need be given amount of work to be done in the to the Damodar Valley Corporation Damodar Valley to be one unit, you because here the consultants are all ran judge the amount of work to be foreigners. It has been put in charge done In the other River valleys in of a foreign company, and there are terms of this as a unit. Take for very gross irregularities ifi the way example the Mahanadi River Valley this company does its wwk. All that projoct which comes under the name the Damodar Valley Corporation doe.s Hirakud Dam. It will be six times is simply to pay the bills, and that 2249 General Budget— 20 JUNE 1952 Demands jor Grants 22 50 also not after proper scrutiny. So, geologist. In spite of that, the deci this is the sum total of the work of sion was taken to erect a dam there, the Damodar Valley. Gross irregu and first of all the British Governor larities have been noticed in the work Sir Louis Thorne was invited to lay of rehabilitation. the foundation stone which he did in 1945. When the Congress Govern Now, what is the cause? Within ment came to power, a second foun the short time at my disposal, 1 have dation ceremony was held, and the - hot the time to. tell you the cause. foundation was laid by no less a per You can find out all that in this re sonage than the Leader of this House. port Well, I can sum it up metapho Now, what was this neccssary for? rically. The Government wanted to That was because there were strong construct a beehive. They did so protest by many people, by Mr. Ran- without providing a queen bee, but giah, Mr. Misra and myself, that the there are plenty ol drones, any num project should not be allowed to be ber of drones who do not do any launched without proper survey. Now, work but draw fat salaries, and the what do we find to be the results. worker bees there are all starved, The results are startlingly grave. I and there . is no direction. So, this shall simply read for you a quotation being the frightful state of affairs, I from the report of the Estimates Com ^think either the work should be mittee. The Estimates Committee closed, or the whole administrative says that the whole work of the enun machinery must be overhauled. ciation of proposals, planning, policy I might say that the Damodar making and execution is done by a Valley Corporation was brought into single organisation or authority or existence on the model of the Ten even an individual in different capa nessee Valley, but they failed to catch cities, that is to say, one individual, the sprit of the Tennessee Valley. in his capacity as Secretary to the The Tennessee Valley Authority had Government, passes all the projects. at its head Dr. Arthur Morgan, one He is also consultant, and sometimes of the most outstanding engineers of he is also the executor. Now, such the world, and he created quite a gross irregularity, I think, is not al record in engineering by constructing lowed by any Government. -^eleven dams within the short space • of five years. He was President there. The Estimates Committee justly And Dr. Morgan came here as a 0 points out that the arrangement is not member of the Universities Commis only inappropriate, but replete with sion. At my request. Dr. Morgan dangers, drawbacks and imperfections was invited to the Damodar Valley, which may cause, a severe blow to and he found out very gross irregu the entire programme of the develop larities in the method of work, and ment of river valley schemes on which his letter is still before the Govern the prosperity of the country as a ment. I do not think fhe Govern whole depends. I may say that I am ment took any notice of it, and If in whole-hearted agreement with this they had taken notice of it in time view. And I may mention some of •^^nd given efTect to his recommenda the irregularities which have been tions, then I think, so many crores of committed. One of the irregulari rupees which have flowed down the ties committed is that they asked a waters of the Damodar River would French Mission to advise them on the have been saved for the nation. possibility of rendering the river below Now, I come to the Hirakud Dam Hirakud navigable, and they wanted Project. The Hirakud Dam Project to have a diversion canal so that the is on a different basis. We might water may pass when the construction call it better the Mahanadi Valley work was being undertaken. The Reclamation Project. This passes French engineers who have their own through the State of Orissa, and I great experience because they had have studied this problem. The done reclamation of their own valley, Mahanadi Valley is just a little gave their judgement deflnitely against ^bigger than the Tennessee Valley, it. In spite of that the bridge was and if properly handled, this reclama constructed at a cost of 1-5 crores. tion scheme should do the same wonr above a place where no water will ders for the Province of Orissa as flow for seven years. Many of you the Tennessee Valley has done for might have known that the bridge the seven States of Amcrica through was opened by then Minister with th^ which it passes. But what has hap usual flourish and fanfare. If you pened, This project was undertaken have visited Seringapatam, you very hastily. There wp*^ no data might have seen a bridge constructed about the flow of the riv^ r etc. If on open ground by Tlppu Sultan. you consult a survey map of the Geo This bridge is also something like that. logical Survey, you find most of the But Tippu Sultan did not commit this •reas have never been visited by a kind of foolishness. Gentlemen, . . . 2261 General Budget— 20 JUN£ 1952 Demand^ for Grants 2252 Mr, Speaker: Order, order. I hope in which the whole country is invol the hon. Member remembers that he ved, and I hope that after this glar- ' is addressing the Speaker. ing failure, tiie administration will Shri Meg^hnad Saha: 1 would not jearn its lessons, as to how to appoint like to go more into details. But I the proper men, how to set up the think on the whole that we should proper checking machinery, so that not be wise in voting even a single the work can go on smoothly, with pice lor these projects, until the admi- out any money being wasted. With nis'rative machinery is completely these ts^w words, 1 move my cut '0\^rhauled. I find that in the Five ^ motion. ' Year Plan, a further sum of Rs. 104 ' 10 A.M. croies has been assigned for these Shri Alagesan (Chingleput): The •river valley projects. If you allow only hope for this country whose main this slate of aflairs to go on, it may meioiy is low standard of living lies not be even Rs. 104 crores, even in these River Valley Projects. But Rs. 500 crores cannot help to build this does not mean that they should these projects. I might say that be carried out to the exclusion of though so far the works have been other medium and small size projects veiy disappointing. 1 do not lor a and other minor irrigation works. moment suggest that ihese liver The hon. Member from Kancheepuram valley projects should be abancloiiL'f.!. when he was speaking on a ditt’erent This kind of mistakes has been occasion, quoted texts and uttered a committed by other governments grave warning to the hon. the Finance also. When Russia undertook her Minister that he should prefer river valley projects, she committed medium size projects to these large the same blunders. When America river valley projects. It left an im started her river valley projects, for pression that Government is under the first thirty years. from 1900 to taking and carrying out these big 1930. they also committed the same projects to the detriment of the smal mistakes, but they quickly learnt the ler and medium size projects. The results, and they overhauled their hon. Member cnnno. be unaware of whole administrative machinery, and the fact that the various schemes pre- . then the work went on smoothly. pared by the State Governments that Look at the achievement of the Rus are b?ing incorporated in the Five sians. They have converted the • Year Plan—many of them are already whole of the river—Mother Volga as under execution—repre.sent a proper they affectionately call it—into a ^ proportion between the large scale, number of lakhs. Mother Vo’ga which medium size and the small projects. was creating all kinds of trouble in For instance, I can quote the example Russia has now been tamed, and har of Madras. Amoni? the various nessed to give irrigation f.u-’lities for projects that have been included-;- tens of millions of acres of land. It these are projects on which work is is air.a providing power on a scale already progressing and they are not unorocedented. I v;ant that some new ni-*es by any means—only the day that our Mo'her Ganges also Tunghabhadra and the Lower Bhavani should be harnessed in a similar projects can be called major projects. manner, when this country will derive The other projects like the Malam- inestimable benefit. There are many pu/’ha, the Mettur canal scheme, the other similar projects. I am sincere Manimuthar the Arniyar scheme etc. ly sorry that these projects have not are all small scale projects. been undertaken by the government. I think they should be undertaken [Mr. DEPUT'i-Speaker in the Chair] only after a proper survey. For ex ample, the Rampadasagar project in It will be seen therefrnm. that the the Godavari valley will bring great ';maller projects have not been neg ble.ssings to the dwellers of the Andhra lected. On the other hand, they have province, the Hyderabad province, also been given their proper place. and other adjacent provinces. The Tn this year’s Budget estimates also, Kovnar river project in Maharashtra n .sum of Rs. 10 crores has been allot will bring a lot of industrinl power ted for the minor irrigation works to *hat area. This project dates from and to quote again- the instance of 1920. when Mr. Meyers was electri Madras, there is the tank renovation cal engineer, he wr?s invited to report schcme. There are abou+ 35.000 tanks on this project. Hte found that this in Madras which date back to ancient wpR one of the biggest schemes, which days and dynasties. The present goy^ will convert Southern Maharashtra ernment have undertaken to renovate into an industrial area, and give power them with all seriousness and are as well as irrigation and water faci already carrying out the renovation. lities for this part of the country, and So it is not as if these large river thus make it one nf the richest areas. valley projects are being carried on, It is not a question of party or any thing of that nature. This is a matter to the det»'5»-ent of the samall scale 2254 5253 General Budget— 20 JUNE 1952 Demands for Grants p rojects. When the hon. Member that should be given by various au Irorn Kancheepuram was speaking, my thorities. Then it was said by the mind went back to about 2i decades hon. the previous speaker that no ago, when the planners of the Mettur regular plans were prepared before dam were f>eing attacked day in and ^ these projects were launched. In day out in the Press and in the plat 'this connection, the Estimates Com form, by a party whose variation the mittee had also suggested; hcu. Member represents in this House “At present, the tendency is to today. The Mettur project helps the draw up schemes in barest out irrigation of about a million acres in line and to give very general the Cauvery-Delta in the Tanjore dis estimate of cost under certain major trict, wliich is the only district that heads. This is not satisiactory. is .<^urplus in the Tamil area. We The scheme must be completely have been sufTering from very serious thought out in all its major and drought for the last four or five \ears. minor details and estimates for and but for the food produced in that all items of work prepared.” area over a million acrcs of land, the I need not elaborate the various food position would have been suggestions that have been made by still more ojllicult. and 1 shudder to imagine the consequences which the Estimates Committee. It is w(;uld have- flown out of it. incumbent upon \he Government that Even now, in the present zonal distri they should take these suggestions bution, the Tanjore zone is the big into their consideration at the earliest gest /one, to which about seven de possible moment and try to give effect ficit districts have been attached, be to them. cause this one district can supply all But having said this I should like the other seven districts. I have to say—and I hope you will excuse heard from the highest engineering me for sayiing that—that these big authority that but for the Mettur Dam. river valley projects are like celebra the entire crops in that area would ting a marriage. Extravagance, waste, have failed completely, and it would pomp and show—all these things are have been like any other district left associated with marriage also. Per to the mercy of the monsoon. Fortu- haps without these the marriage will natei^, that calamity was averted be not be considered a marriage at all cause of the foresight of the planners and people may laugh and say “Look of the Mettur Dam. and the whole at this man. He has celebrated the credit should go to them. marriage in a very poor and stingy way”. For instance, a local piper Again, there is the criticism that may not be considered sufficient. He these projects devour huge sums of may be a good enough piper, but money, which a poor country like ours the man celeberating the marriang^ cannot afford. will not be content unless he bets one It is said that the Damodar Valley from Tanjore district. I am sorry, Project and* the various other pro Sir, and I hope you will excuse me jects which are being directly finan for mentioning Tanjore district again ced by the Central Government are a a n d ‘again. It is a highly intellectual by-word for extravagance and waste. disricL though I am afraid, it did not Such criticisms are shared, I think, betray much evidence of it when it no: o’lly by the Members of the failed to return my hon. friend. Shri Opposition here today, but even in the Santhanam, to this hon. House. The previous House they have been force same type of extravagance is associa fully voiced. There is a good deal ted with all these projects. You are of truth in that criticism. In fact not satisfied with a local engineer, the Estimates Committee which went however good he may be. You into this question have given detail should import a foreign engineer, just ed suggestions to remedy the existing to keep up the dignity. And you take slate of afTairs. They have sugges pleasure in paying him a grand salary ted a three-tier organisation which because you do not want foreigners to will put the administrative set up think that you arc a niggardly person once for all on a sound footing. and you do not want to pay them Various other suggestions having re handsome salarie.s. So you vie with gard to efTicioncy and economy have other people and pay them huge sala been made by the Committee. For ries. All these things have come to instance, speaking of purchases they be naturally criticised. I should like to have said that “purchases of stores, make it clear that I am^ not against plant, esuipment and mechinery employment of foreign experts. should, as far as possible, be done Wherever there is knowledge. v^e IhrouGh th" D. G., Supplies, and by should go out of our way to earn it. the two Purchase Missions in Wash We should add to our .store of Vnow- ington and London” Again, with ledge from wherever we can. There regard to contracts, they have placed • -j ^ eninsavinr^ that. But at the ceilings on various kinds of contracts same time we should see that we 2255 General Budget- 20 JUNE 1952 Demands for Grants 225i^ tShri Alagesan] do not strain our purse too much. I think it was this extravagance aspect from 1946 up to end of this year i e. that Rajaji had in mind when he dec over a period of seven years, we lared a few days ago the Public Works .would have spent about 820 crores of Department as his public enemy No. 2, foreign exchange. This is more thaii double the entire expenditure that we though that department had to its credit will be incurring on all these three pro the execution of the Tungabhadra and jects. So viewed from this point of the Lower Bhavani projects to which view..y even the hon. Finance Minister refer ...... red with appreciation the other day. Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Two more But. for fear of waste and extrava minutes. gance we cannot refrain from plan Shri Alagesan; Viewing the projects ning and launching these projects. As from this point of view, it will be* a Tamil proverb has it, it will be like seen that to carry out and finish these not cooking for fear of the beggars. projects at the earliest possible moment Consider the waste that has occurred will be more economical than incur over decades by our not properly hus ring foreign exchange expenditure- banding our resources. If you calcu and expenditure on subsidies, both for late it, it will run into crores and the people and the Government of crores. Compared to that waste, the this country. w:aste that accompanies the carrying out and execution of big projects which Spending on subsidies is like '•:on- is avoidable and for which early steps tinuing to pay interest annually while also are being taken, I hope, is noth keeping the principal amount as it ing. was when the debt was incurred firsts Spending on these river valle.y projects Again let us look at it from another is like wiping off the debts in a given angle. I have got some figures here. period by paying in equated annual I hope the Finance Minister will cor.- instalments which include both capital rect me if my figures are a little this and interest. way or that. Let us now take the question of subsidies. I am not here There is one other question, and pleading for their restoration, but am since my time is short. I shall t*y to just mentioning the amount that we shorten my speech. The question is have spent on subsidies for about 5 of harnessing the enthusiastic co years. From the year 1948 to 1952, operation of the people in these pro we will have spent a sum of Rs. 1:?8 jects. There is no denying the fact crores. Of course the present budget that people have shown very great allots only 15 crores, but taking the enthusiasm for such projects. Many other sums that we may have to examples can be cited. With regard spevid on account of the recent deci to a scbeme in the South, namely, the sion that has been taken—call it sub Manimuthar ...... Project, people came sidy Of loss on trading account—also out and subscribed more than into account, the figure works out to Rs. 1,38,00,000. Since we have 138 crores. Now from their inaugu deliberately eschewed all totalitarian ration we have spent on these thi*ee methods and regimentation of labour, projects a sum of about Rs. 116 crores. we have to enlist the voluntary co When you consider the subsidy amount operation and support of the people and the amount that you have inves in these big endeavours. We should ted so far in these projects, it even make them feel the thrill of participat comes to less than that. Again, we ing in this glorious task, and also have not subsidised the entire differ make them feel the pride of national ence in price between the foreign achievement. The Planning Commis imported grain and the locally procur sion has gone into this question in a ed grain. We have subsidised only rather vague way. They have suggest a part of it and so, unconsciously the ed the formation of co-operatives people also have been paying an equal which may be used for doing all un amount, if not more. So when you skilled work. But it is only a vague look at it that way, the amount you suggestion. I wish it had gone into it have so far invested comes only to in a more detailed fashion and had half of what you have spent on subsi evolved a concrete method so that the dising foreign foodgrains. Again, Sir, people also may fully co-operate. I the total estimated expenditure on all am sure in the long run the people’s these three projects comes to about willing and enthusia.stic co-operation is 300 crores. Even granting that the bound to reduce even the costs of these estimates may be raised a little, they projects. may run to 400 crores. But if we see My friend Mr. Siva Rao reminds me the figure that we have spent on im of a very important project. Even if porting—the total cost of these foreign he had not reminded me, I would not foodgrains—it is something colossal. have sat down without mentioning it. 225S 2257 General Budget— 20 JUNE 1952 Demands for Grants that will accrue on the power channel It has been a pet subject with me and the power house? and it will contin^ue to be a pet subject with me until it is taken up m d An Hon. Member: Make it a charge finished. As you know, that project la on the OWING engineers! the Krishna-Pennar Project. Shri Sarangadhar Das: Certainly it should be on the Government of India. j Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The hon. Mem I will point out several other instances ber is coming to it after he has spent in the Hirakud project where money up his time. has been wasted. That money is Shri Alagesan: I am sorry. I shall written down every year as a loan to refer to it briefly. The Krishna- the Orissa Government ancl also Pennar project lies in an area which Interest fv f the previous year . along is highly deficit. The three projects with the loan of the present year: that which have been taken up, you will is to say. if last vear’s interest was agree, lie in areas which are fairly Rs. 30 lakhs* this year’s loan of Rs. 3 surplus, and this is the only project crores bccomes Rs. 3,30,00,000. which lies in a deficit area. I have Now, Sir, you will also see that it ur on the Government the neces- is a fact that the Government of Orissa ^siiy for taking this project up several on the plea that they did not have ex times before and I need not dilate pert engineers to carry out this pro upon it .low. I hope the hon. Minister ject, approached the Government of for Planning will see to it that it is India, and the Government of India in included. As I will not get any time its turn handed it over to the CWINC on the day on which the subject of as it used to be, which is now the Planning is discussed, I now ask him Power Commission. And we have un to see to it that it is included and also fortunately a clique there; from the carried out. engineers on top to the petty contrac Shri Sarangadhar Das: In moving tors they happen to come from a parti the three cut motions standing in my cular State. I wish to disabuse the name, I first of all have to speak, on * minds of hon. Members of any impres Planning just a little bit to connect sion that I am in any way provincial up with these schemes. I do not pro minded. I am not provincial minded pose to speak on Planning as a whole, at all. Those who have heard me speak but simply to say that, whoever on different subjects must have known planned these hydro-electric projects, by this time that I do not attach myself even in 1945, when there was no to any particular province. But here is Planning Commi.^sion, -t w^a's well a case where people from a particular known that most of these projects were locality—engineers, their sons-in-law, primarily for irrigation and flood con brothers, brothers-in-law, their nephew, trol. As far as I know, the Damodar —are contractors, executive engineers, Valley Project was primarily for flood suoerintending engineers; the whole lot control, while Hirakud \Vas both for of them from top to bottom belong to flood control as well as for irrigation. the same group, the same clique. Con ^VBut as the schemes prograssed, m tracts worth 4. 5 or 6 lakhs of rupees Damodar VaUey they diverted their are not advertised all over India but attention towards thermal electric are given to a group of contractors stations—the Bokaro Thermal Station. who are stationed there at Hirakud and Nothing has been done so far for irriga they apportion the contracts among tion. So also in the matter of Hirakuji themselves according to their needs; for at least three years there was not and the local people, the people of much done on irrigation; all the atten Orissa.—I do not mean to say Orias tion was paid to the hydro-electricity alone but all the peoole resident in project. So, whatever the plan was, it Orissa whether their origin is from the was not carried out in the beginning. Punjab or from Bengal or from Madras In the case of Hirakud, although up till —do not get any benefit out of this last year it was said that Power House stupendous exoenditure of nearly a 100 4 No. 2 would be ready to operate in crores of rupees. That will be the Bill August or September this year—I my for the project when it is completed. self visited it in January last year: a Now if we have a project for which good deal of work had been done—the we and our children and grand children Government of India only this year will pay, wo must have some benefit decided to postpone that power station out of it. Jt is unfortunate as I said and to take up irrigation, to build the before that tTie Government of Orissa canals quickly. Now. nearly Rs. 2 handed it ovtr entirely to the Govern crorcs have been spent on the POwer ment of TwI/n and they in their turn channel and Power House No. 2. That gave it to thi CWINC which has result will be kept in abeyance for may be ed in such OLSet up. But it cannot be four or five years. Who will pay the allowed to cofitinue any more. I wish interest and the maintenance charges to say also that because of certain ■2260 General Budget— 20 JUNE 19o2 Demands for Grantn 2230 [Shri Sarangadhar Das] irrofiiilaritieK discovered duiinij the last to give a reply to the learned professor year, which were talked about in the Dr. Meghnad Saha who might have district of Sambalpur even in 1950, on created a wrong impression in the account of those irregularities a com House when he said that in America mittee was appointed last year which they bungled for 30 years and then i-eported some time a^? > but the report from that bungling they learnt ai>^ has not come before the House yet. I made their organisation complete and have reliable iuformijtion that the ^ cfTicient. That does not mean that we engineer members ol' that committee / are entitled to bungle for 30 years. If put up the claim that the payment of . we have any intelligence at all, we the Imls vvUl be done by theni, while should lear^ from the bunglings and' the Finance Department representative mistakes of America or Russia or any jn that commlttec jaid otherwise i.e, other country and cut short that 30 mat me J? inance Department will checK vears to one year or even six months. the bills and pay the bills. Whatever It is not that there is no intelligiL'nce in that be, we want that report to be laid this country. It I had anything to do on th>^ Table of the House and publicis with the Hirakud project, I would go to ed so that the public all over and parti South India, to Madras, to Mysore and cularly the public of Orissa will know get tne m^M who ci.) the wcj k witi Vn how money has been squandered away the sche'^uled time. You will know —the money which will have to be from these facts that I am not provin paid by the taxpayer of Orissa and his cial. But at the same time I would successors. instruct Ihem and I would also see to Then again there has been another Jt that the sons of the soil get the committee to look into the technical Denellt that they deserve according to ^ide of it. That report also has not their intelligence and according to their como before this House. I particular training and if they do not have the ly accuse this Government of India— training, i would demand of the the present Governmenu—of appointing* Government of India,—which the Gov committees to enquire into matters and ernment of Orissa has been demanding. ‘ after the en.iuiry is made, if there is —the er.tablishment of a polytechnic .somet’iing inconvenient to the Govern institute or a college of engineering ment or to the highly placed officers, at Hirakud, because Sir, you will re the report is shelved. Excuses are member that besides Hirakud, the given, such as, law suits are being Mahanadi Valley Project consists ot instituted against the people concerned two other dams, at Tikarpara and in it and the report never sees the Narn,—and other projects will be there light of the day. I am sure the Houso —which may be built within the next will remember the report of the com twenty-five years. Now if we are go mittee ‘that enquired into the ure-' ing to have so many projects in the fabricated housing factory. That has State of Orissa, is it not wise on the not seen the licht of the day yet. part of the people tj manage every 1 on behalf of the people of Orissa and thing from here e.g, to establish techni the taxpayers of Orissa make this de cal ihstitutions which would train men mand that the reports of these two to construct those future projects them committees must be laid on the Table selves without taking aid from any of the House forthwith. Otherwise I where or even from foreign countries. will mvself see to it tha 1 in future the There is also another anomalous Government of Orissa will repudiate position at Hirakud which I wish to The sums that have been wasted in this mention to you. Sir. And that is. what power channel and in the power nouse the Savage Committee had said in 1948 that will remain without operation for about rehabilitation and resettlement of the next five or six years, and the the villarrers whose lands would be money that has been wasted in con submerged. They gave the instance of tracts through nepotism and corruption. Krishnarajasagar of Mysore and said: It is not my intention as a Member “This problem is obviously the special of the Opnositioh to oppose everything responsibility of the Orissa Provincial that the Government does. My opposi Administration. But, we strongly feel tion is always constructive. I am not thnt the CWINC organization which one of those who condemn the big IS re.sponsible for the unlMeri neve- hydro-electric projects. I am one of lopment must share the responsi^ those who support them and even be- bility. The Chief Engineer of the for this Government went into this Mahanadi reservoir should have an i-'vir'>-clec+ric proposition, from what abiding interest in dealing with this T had seen years ago in America I was problem. From a psychological point for it. But you cannot make this of view'this is essential, and the sooner country into America overnicht. It will the sympathies of the people that are take time snd in this connection I wish affected by the submersion of their 2261 GeneralBudget— 20 JUNE 1952 Demands for Grants 2262 Villases and lands are secured by this to it that wastage of nr.oney is stopped^ organization, the better it is for an easy whether at Hirakud or at Damodar or progress cf the works in general.” at any other place. Now I wish to say right here that Shri Gadgil (Poona Central): Some- instead of winning the goodwill of the centuries ago a Chinese king f-.sked his people of Sambalpur the authorities philosopher-adviser ai> to the method from top to bottom have Rot nothing by which his dynasty would pros, er hut ill will in this matter. Because perpetually and would be honoured Dy Acquisition pr 6ceedings in the case of the people at large. That philosopher 1 inds that were to be acauired have advised him saying that if there is. also been bungled by the Government sufficiency of food, sufficiency of cloth of Orissa. The Government of Orissa ing, sufficiency of accommodation, and wanted to give them less money than a faith among the people that justice they were entitled to according to the would be done, then his dynasty would Land Acquisition Act arJ in a hurry remain till the end of the world. I somewhere about 1948 1949 they think these are adequate tests for any passed an emergency J ^gislation by Government to remain jn power and virtue of which the acquisition price no Government has a right to remain in went down by about half. Since then power, much less a democratic Gov Uie peoDle in Sambalp ir have been ernment, which does not discharge the agitating against it, and I un(^rstand elementary obligations of providing that during the last few months the sufficiently for the primary needs of the Government of India has taken the people, namely food, clothing and ac decision of giving them adequate commodation. compensation—I believe it will be ade quate although I do not know the figures. That is why the estimate for the whole project has gone up by about Rs. 5 or 6 crores. Then again, when [Babu Ramnarayan Singh (Hazari- we see such a project which will dis bagh West): Why does this Government place people, which will cause a lot of continue to be in power then?] trouble in the ordinary life of the people of the locality, the officers con- Shri Gadgil: Have a little patience, ^'erned. the parties concerned, the Gov Valmiki. You will hear everything. ernments concerned should see to it that the people affected are incon Shri B. Das: Sir, can the hon. Mem venienced as little as possible. In ber call my hon. f/iend here Valmiki? stead of doing that the project officers Shri Gadgil: It is a title of honour, have forcibly occuDied* lands and have my dear Das. Do not worry. forcibly taken roads over cultivated The main problem in this country lands. I have seen it myself last year as everybody knows is that of food and and I have brought it to the attention it cannot bo solved except by increas of some of the officers. These are little ing the yield per acre in this country. things that are irritating the people You can add to everything in this .of the district. (An hon. Member: world, but you cannot add one inch to ^ o t little). They are Uttle from our the land which is already available. point of view when we look at big Therefore, the solution lies in the direc things, but they are very big for them. tion of having greater yield from our Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The hon. Mem acres, whatever they are. That is only ber is going on a little leisurely. He possible if there is adequate^upply of has exceeded 15 minutes, manure, organic and cheii^al, and plenty of water for irrigation. T’.ien Shri Sarangadhar Das: Have I? Then it means that unless irrigation facilities I will conclude in a minute. are increased hundred-fold in this T wish to repeat that unless the country the probk'm of food is not going whole set-uD in the Hirakud Project to be solved whether you are dogmatic is overhauled anew we will suffer al'out control or decontrol. Today. flosses of crores of rupees. Sir, we are using only 6 per cc nt. of our wa'.or resources and the rest, Shri B. Das (Jajpur-Keonjhar): You though given in abundance by Gorl. is are quite right. carried by the river basins ultimately Shri Sarangadhar Das: And those into the seas and becomes saltish. rupees will have to be paid by the tax Here is a challenge to our engineers, a payers of Orissa this year or within the challenge to our statesmen and finan next thirty years but will be paid even ciers. If they can in the course of five by the next generation. This is not to ten years increase the use of our fair to the tax-payer, and I, on their water resources by, say, one or two behalf, lodge this prote.st. Therefore it per cent, then not only will the pro is very necessary for Government to see blem of food be solved but there woulcf i253 GcneralBudget— 20 JUNE 1952 Demands for Grants i:2C4 [Shri Gadgil] be no necessity, although the desir Therefore, anna can be plenty if water ability will remain, for family planning, is plenty. By God’s grace, we have some preliminary surveys have been plenty of water and no band of engi made by the Government of India and neers can evolve a better system of the result is published in a pamphlet rivers in this country than what God released in 1948—“New Projects for has done. We have in the north rivers Irrigation and Power in India”. If all flowing both in winter and summer, these projects are completed we are and in the south we have rivers flowa^ told that we will add 27 million acres ing with abundance of water during the ' and bring them under cultivation in rains. We should spare no efforts to tiddition to the 48 million which are make the utmost use of these waters. under irrigation at present. Also, we We must see that not a single drop of arc told that while today we have water is wasted, and the utmost benefit hydro-electric power to the extent of is extracted by way of utility to the just about i million K.W. we will be public from this abundance which God able to add 9 million K.W. But all has granted to us. that depends upon how we make use of the material we have. In fact, I am We are talking of full employment inclined to say just as my esteemed in this country. That full employment friend, Mr. C. D. Deshmukh said the is possible only if a considerable load other day that the mother earth laughs is taken off the land and diverted to when you talk of poverty. I will just industry. In other words, there must make a little change. These rivers, as be more and rapid industrialisation. they go down from the mountains to That industrialisation is not possible the sea, laugh at us when we say we unless there is cheap and adequate are poor. Today we have under con supply of power. Here is cheap and struction some of these schemes. They adequate power supply which we can are big schemes, but whether we should put to the greatest use. As our geolo enter on big schemes or not the point gists will tell you, our coal resources remains that unless we make the maxi will last for only sixty-flve years more. mum use of our water resources food After that, since it is a wasting asset, question is not going to be solved. In we shall be without any prospect of -our Upanishads it is stated: power from the utilisation of coal. It behoves us therefore as people endow ed with forethought to think not mere ly of the needs of the present generation !T f5T«TRr-^ 1 ^ ST but of the future generations also. We have come in for a good inheritance 'rr-'^eficT-af i 3tst' ?rf both in materials and also in opportuni ties. Let us make the best of these rf'? I would say ^ opportunities, so that future historians ?r?ffr i ^ may not write hundred years hence that the parliamentarians in the year of ?ra-<{ I i Same grace 1952. Spent their time in petty- fogging opposition and did not put their V] anifhud says snq-t afsiiT i shoulders to a task which would insure to the benefit of successive generations of Indians. I appeal to my esteemed friends to co-operate in that spirit. [Despise not foodgrains—that is a pledge. Waste not foodgrains—that is a pledge.^^row more foodgrains—that Now, power is very ahort in this is a pledge. I would say, “Despise country. Prof. Vakil published a pam not water—that is a pledge. Waste not phlet only three months ago, in which water—that is a pledge. Develop the he explained that due to inadequacy water»-resources—that is a pledge”. of power many plants in Bombay The same Upanishad says, “Water is could not work to full capacity and food.”! And when you do that— several of them had to abandon their programme of cxpanr?ion (Interrup tion.) I am not yielding to anybody. ' In terms of money, he calculated that the loss incurred was Rs. 50 crores, though a spokesman of the Bombay sTsnrr i iTfR i Government calculated it to be Rs JO crores. Be that as it may, due to lack of forethought, due to lack of early [A man having foodgrains lives on decisions, we have suffered this loss in them. He attains eminence by virtue Bombay. I earnestly appeal to the of his children, cattle, religious sacrifices Government and to the Planning Com and renown.] mission to remember that Bombay is .2265 General Budget— 20 JUNE 1952 Demands jor Grants 2200 h ighly industrialised. 34 per cent, of With great dimculty. our economy our industries are located there, and diu'itig th - ]n‘,i live years has l-ecn put the needs of those industries are on a soimd basis, although it is not as so great t.iat stoppage of work if it IS not capable of expansion for for even a day means a loss of meeting the requirements of our pro of lakhs of rupees. If the Govern gress. But do we not again find the ment are anxious to supply cheap and threat o! inflation in the world? Very adequate power for industries in recently, in one of the issues of the Bombay, they cannot do it except by New '^ork rimes, I read that the ten accelerating the construction of .the topmost economists of America felt Koyna Dam. This is necessary also for that inflation was at the corner. helpini; the rising industries in Things are uncertain in the world> al Maharashtra and I am grateful for the though our Finance Minister was quite great sympathy shown by my esteemed right when he said that the back of friends from the Opposition. inflation had been broken in our country. We must know that we are Shri B. Das: We always do. not living in isolation—economic or political—and whatever happens out Sliri Gadffil: In giving priority to side the four borders of our country some of the power schemes, attention affects us immediately. Therefore, it must be first given to the larger indus is not necessary to tell him anything, trialisation of certain areas, whatever because it is his nature to be cautious. be the needs of other regions. I do not But let us strengthen his hands and not say that others should not be given insist on reckless, unbounded, and un priority, but obviously the logic of thought out deficit financing. ^ situation is so clear that such schemes as will give a4 equate power to already Then, the question of execution of existing industries must be taken in some of these big projects was discus hand first, because when there is more sed. I had something to do 'Witti these industrialisation there will be more river valley projects. In fact, if the employment. In other words, it is House would permit me, I would say necessary that both irrigation and that they are all my babies. When I power projects should be so arranged went to Sambalpur, the Oriyas through that in the course of five or ten years their representatives complained that there would be adeouate irrigation most of the employees were Punjabis. facilities and adequate power supply I assured them that I would look into for the whole country. the complaint, but I told them, “If Punjabis are employed now, they will When I say this, I know that the leave when the project is completed, great handicap under which we have to and whatever good will follow from the work is lack ‘of finance. Yet, while I project will remain for eternity for the was discussing this m atter, one of my benefit of the Oriyas.” Let us under friends who knows Sanskrit said:— stand that Indian prosperity cannot be parcelled off regionally. It is one and indivisible. Shri B. Das: You will not allow these Punjabis to come to Maharashtra. [There is no question of lack of Shri Gadgil: Yes, I will. In fact, my funds, while Deshmukh is at helm of esteemed friend earned his reputation afi'airs.] and fortune in Maharashtra. If an area in Gujarat becomes prosperous, or So. when we have, not an ordinary if an area in Maharashtra becomes Deshmukh but a Chintaman Deshmukh prosperous, nobody should complain in charge of finance, where is the scope about it. I hold the view that puros- for lack of finance? But I am not perity is one and indivisible. That goading him into entering on a scheme does not mean that I rule out all of reckless deficit financing. No. Both regional considerations, but thc.v must I and he belong to a race which is very be fitted into an overall plan, so that keen in taking calculated risks. (An in course of time not only will the hon. Member: Keen or notorious?) standard of a few workers in the indus But it will never take risks which will trial areas but the 5;tandard of every land the country in trouble. It does landless labourer in the country will be not matter, nevertheless, if it lands raised eauitably and proportionately. certain individuals in trouble. I would (An hon. Member: Will it be raised?) therefore appeal to him earnestly to bear this in mind, because I find that A point was made that the Govern deficit financing is in the air. Anybody ment of India had made mistakes here and everybody, with or without know and there. Surely, the Government do ledge of the consequences that may not claim infallibility. I do not think follow, is talking of deficit financing. they claim that they are all-wise; nor 2267 General Budget — 20 JUNE 1952 Demands for Grants 2268 [Shri Gadgil] do their engineers claim so. I want Lo Shri Gopala Rao: I wish to speak tell my friends that big schemes and a about irrigation and power projects in petty accounting mind will go together. general and multi-purpose river valley When we are thinking in terms of^ projects in particular. In the original crores of rupees, millions of acres of^ time-table, Planning and River Valley land and hundreds of kilowatts of Schem?s were put together but now power, only a petty mind can point out Planning has been seoarated from these that a certain unit was wasted; a few River Valley Schemes. Now we have acres of land were lost; a petty con to discuss River Valley Schemes with tractor did something wrong. out Planning. And it is very painful to discu.o planless schemes. Shri Velayudhan (Quilon cum Mave- likkara—Reserved—Sch. Castes): Waste 11 A.M. in crores. Throughout the country for a long time there has been a lot of agitation Shri Gadgil: Not that we should not for irrigation projects and power pro take notice of these things too. In jects. In the last four or five years ■ fact, some agency was brought into the Government is forced to take existence in the matter of D.V.C. and certain steps. • liow'ever, now there are a Control Board Vv'as established for sevi:;ral projects planned out, some big the Bhakra Project. In regard to the and some small, some irrigation and D.V.C., there has been muc'i misunder some power projects, and some pro standing. I was responsible for pilot jects of a multi-purpose nature. The ing the Bill under which the Damodar aims and objects of these projects are Valley Corporation came into existence. control of flood, solving the food The mood of the House then was that problein, improving irrigation facilities, there must be complete autonomy. improvin:! navigation facilities, and Later on the mood of the House chang gcncraUon of hydro-elcctric power. In ed, and today some of the Members Ihe Five Year Plan the Government’s t'oel that so much autonomy should not total estimated cost in respect of power be given. Tnis is after ail an experi and irrigation projects is more than ment, but this should not allect the Rs. 700 crores. It ^calculated that carrying out of great works which will by the end of this Five Year Plan there ben-fit not only Members of one party will be 8.0 million acres of additional or ono section of the public but which irrigated area and 1.1 million kilowatts will beae.it the enMre country. I there of additional generation of power. I fore earnestly say: by all means find out see for the time being in the Five faults—after all. what arc you here Year Plan the Damodar Valley Project, for? The business of the Opposition is the Bhakra-Nangal Project and s')me to oppose—but at the same time in a two other projects hav'e been taken. democratic country the Opposition The work in respect of these projects ought to know that t’-ie day may dawn, has been started at different levels. te:: years hence, when some of them will be on this side and then they will The question is whether the Govern resent this criticism or criticism of ment is capable of completing these this type much more than the present projects, whether the Government is in Members of the Treasury Benches who a position to enthuse the masses to have been as ^nild as is possible under participate in the big national task, the circuits' "CCS. I would t’lerefore, whether the Government is in a position very earnestiy say that multi-purpose to face the situation instead of continu river valley projects is something ing the same rotten, bureaucratic which is going to solve our basic pro machinery and thus carry out the task blem. and in this v/e should give our on a nation-wide scale. Can the Gov heart-felt co-operation. Not only this, ernment complete these projects with but when the Five Year Plan is being out a sound and stabilized economy? put into operation, as one of the Mem Can we complete these projects relying bers has said, it can .'succeed, not be 'completely on our economy or with cause of many tractors, not because of some foreign aid and foreign technical many dynamos that may wor>, but help? These are the things to be dis only if the people who are ultimately cussed. to b? benefited thereby are enthusiastic But before I deal with these aspects about it. And I hone the creation of I would like to draw attention to those that enthusiti.sm is not only the duty areas which have been neglected in of the Government, it is as much the the matter of giving priority, where the duty of the Opposition. Tn fact, it is food problem is acute and famine has the duty of every son and daughter of become chronic. For instance, take this t^ountry and I hope in that spirit Malabar. Famine has become a regular the whole thing will be understood. feature there. It is the duty of a 2 m General' Budget — 20 JUNX 1§52 Demands for Grants 2270 responsible Government to find out a provision for investigation in this final solution for relieving the distress budget. ■ In that area. But in the Five Year Plan or in the investigation schemes There is another project. Even that area is completely left out. I though it is small, it will be useful came to know from many of our friends for two districts of Rayalaseema, here that the only project that was Kurnool and Cuddapah. It is called being constructed, namely the Malam- Siddeshwaram Project and under this puzha project, has also been stopped. 11 lakhs of acres can be irrigated It was calculated that thousands of with an expenditure of Rs. 30 crores tons can be produced by this prolect and it can be done in parts also. Even and it was estimated that it could be this the Government have refused to completed by the end of 1953. But consider. that project has been stopped now. As such I doubt whether the Government As for Godavari river valley are serious and sincere about their projects, two projects Rampadasagar aims and objects with respect to t’neir and Ramagundam were being discussed production schemes. Otherwise, what artd the investigations had been going were the reasons that led to the Gov on from 1944 but these are not taken ernment’s decision to stop that scheme into account. They are neither in which was essential for the life of the cluded in the Five Year Plan nor any people, especially in the famine- provision for investigation has been stricken area which has become a made in the budget. I {hink that problem for the Government and the backward and undeveloped areas which people also tlyreV are famine stricken must be given priority, if these projects are taken Coming to other sectors, iir Andhra up, so many other problems also cfen there are twp great rivers, namely be solved. In view of ihese considera Kistna and Godavari, flowing. But tions, it is high time that Government unfortunately very often eight dis should reconsider their opinions in tricts are faced with famine. You selecting projects in future. know Rayalaseema. Many of the le^^Bing Members and hon. Ministers As regards the execution side of the were spe;aking a lot about the condi projects, if you look at the way the tions in Rayalaseema. But we do not D.V.C, Hirakud Project, Bhakra and find iany s:>lution. any concrete steps Nangai Projects are implemented you taken, or any action in regard to the will be shocked and astonished to investigation ot projects or any hear the news that come from those attempt to includa certain immediate areas, of how crores of rupees are projects that are possible with a view being squandered away by a handful to getting rid of the famine in that of interested persons, senior •fllcers particular area. So far as the Andhra and contractors and some other people. province is concerned,' if the watti Everywhere in every department, of these two great riveris is harnessed, nepotism, favouritism, corruption and the face of the whole country will be bureaucratism are very much in evi completely chahged. It is tragic to dence. With this state machinery, ' it note that only an insignificant portion is highly impossible to adi^ance in this of the water is being utilised for F ront I have received so many irrigation purposes. For the last 4 or reports from several places, from the 5 years in Andhra there is a big agita Hirakud Project in Orissa of cases tion going on for the Nandagonda where contracts had - been gfiven to project which will serve 8 districts, favourite contractors. Some other Telangana, Rayalaseema aad some speakers have expressed about it in other parts and serving most of the the House. This is the wav in which telgu speaking areas. It isu feasibje the projects are being built up in tfe project as well and about fi million country. People are^ not enthused at acres land can be irrigated and I .all. People ask: Are the projects lakh kilowatts of electricity can be intended for the berifeflt • of senior generated and according to expert officers and contractors? cpinion, i t . can be developed into one Pftttdit K. C, Sharma (Meerut Distt.— of the finest, and best projects in the South): Has the hon. Member sent world. There is availability of ma the&e reports that he has in his posses terial and with minimum cost—^the sion to the Ministry concerned? project is estinxated to cost Rs. 65 crores—and maximum i^esults and Shri Gopala Rao: I have not sent, complete co-operation of the people concerned in the area, it can be Shrl B. C. 0as: (Ganjam Southy^ completed in no tittie, but^ in spite of Does the hon. Member know th$t them big deputations and so much agitatll?n, is a big agitation in ^ e Rpovii^ce of the Governm.ent have frankly refused Orissa that the Hirakud project is a to consider it. I do not find even u cess-pooi of corruption? (JnterruptioH). 79 PSD * 2271 General Budget— 20 JUNE 1952 Demands for <}rant8 2272 Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Order, order. has got only one minute more in spite There cannot be a general discussion. of the extension. One hon. Member has put a question and that is enough. The hon. Member Shri Gopala Rao : 1 hope you will will kindly go on. take into account these interruption:s, Sir. According to the Estimates The Minister of State for Finance Committee’s report, there were no The hon. Member continues to say: Recently, I was reading in the Fortnightly Review of News and views, “As an Asian, I also shared that published by the British Information pride. I shared that pride be Services, that there are even persons cause I found here a people who who opposed the development plans of for the first time had attempted v all countries, not with a good motive, gigantic task which we thought but with a sinister design and in order was beyond our powers.” to, shall I say, effect a putsch a German word, which means, »to take charge of t That is the message of the Chinese b Government by force or by fraud people. We have to take note of this and to control the State. If experience. Are we not in a position these things continue, we cannot to achieve these things? We can achieve any results irom these river certainly achieve. Our people are valley schemes. The Review says; I palriotic; our potentialities are great. am not addressing this to those who If they are properly harnessed, we can arc opposing us, but to any of us who achieve marvellous results. If not are opposed to the Schemes: better, we can equal them if we rise to the 0i,’casi0n and mobilise our “They may also take the people. That mass enthusiasm is opportunity to pursue their econo lackmg. I request hon. Members on mic campaign. There have been the other side to take this into account several signs recently that they and shape their policy in the future. are uneasy about the progress of the Colombo Plan in Asia. They Shri N. P. Sinha (Hazaribagh East) : are obliged to dislike the prospect I thank you for giving me an opportu of economic improvement in nity to speak today at a time when the Asia—which the Plan holds out— House has already crossed its maiden because the communist doctrine is stage. Any way, this wild be my first that Revolution can best be speech in this House. I am glad that brought about as a result of ‘in before I have started ta speak, I have creasing misery'.” had the goodluck of hearing some beautiful speeches, some constructive If these things are at the background and some only destructive. of these Schemes, and if these are the principles on which most of the So far as these river valley schemes parties try to work out their pro and multi-purpose schemes are con grammes, then, I regret to say that no cerned, the Government of this country Government, with any amount of could not have entertained any hope courage or boldness or finances, can of solvtng the food problem of this try to finish any of the projects that country without having undertaken they have undertaken, much less the these projects. As the Chairman of Indian Government. the DTVA had once said, “A river has no politics,” I say the same thing' I would like to emphasise one thing with greater emphasis that we Indians and that is with regard to the have also no politics. We have only Damodar Valley Project. It would one politics, and that is, to solve the not be wrong to say that I come from food problem of India. If that main the T.V.A. of India. I come from the problem, on which the whole economic Damodar Valley. About three-fourths structure of India hinges, remains of this projeQt fall within my district of unsolved, all other problems will go Hazaribagh and a major portion of it un-cared fot and without anybody to within my own constituency. There look after them. The point that .1 fore, I will not only rely upon the Fifth would like to make out is this. The report of the Estimates Committee, first and most primary thing, that we which has been the basis and the back need today to carry out these river ground of the criticisms here but I valley schemes, is to enthuse the shall also rely on some of the things people. I take up the point where which I have personally seen. In the hon. Mr. Gadgil left it. He said regard to rehabilitation, I say that the that it is very necessary to create a people who were going to be rehabili great amount of enthusiasm amongst tated were actually worked up by the the people and convince them about interested parties not to agree to that. the purposes, about the usefulness of They were advised not to agree to such these schemes before any achievement rehabilitation and that, only with a can be hoped through these river view to putting the Government to velley projects. The question is. how difficulties and troubles. I have seen we can do this? Unless we are of parties, who use the terminology of one mind, unless we agree at least on being progressive parties, making cne thing, in spite of there being propaganda that these projects are of difTerent parties, that is that we have no value and that they are only to .solve the food problem, nothing meant to fill the stomachs of big -can be achieved. officers who are there, and that they 2276 General Budget — 20 JUNE 1932 Demands for grants 2276 fShri N. P. Sinha] are also meant for tl\e maintenance of scheme in Bihar. I do not hold any those persons who have leanings provincial view but I want to know towards capitalism. They have made the case for Bihar. I read in the this propaganda and this propaganda reports that Bihar is going to gain a creates a good deaL oT misapprehen good amount of power. But what will sion in the minds of the people whom that power do? Bihar is a mica we are going to enthuse; whose work, area, and so long as there is r o whose collective labour and eiiergy we introduction of heavy electro-technical are going to use for the success of < industries, all mica is bound to these projects- . be exported, and it has got to depend upon the vagaries of foreign And I therefore say, that unless markets. Why? Because it is not these elements are rooted out, unless manufactured in India. We do not we combine and join hands at least bring mica to its final use in India in solving one thing, i.e., the food pro for want of heavy e]# 3ctro-technical blem, in all sincerity, I am sure, no pro industries. If these industries are ject of this Government is Roing to opened, and the power which we are succeed. now going to get from this Damodar Valley Corporation project is utilised Secondly. 1 would like to speak on in this respect, of course, Bihar also a point which has a direct connection has to gain in spite of helping other with this, and that is. Publicity. I sister Provinces in many important have read some literature about the respects. T.V.A., and there is a hujje mass of The last point is this. What about such literature surrounding it. A *‘Bihar’s Sorrow”, the Kosi River? It good deal of propaganda is being is, I should say, “India’s Sorrow”. made, even now, when it has already Every year it brings ruin to Bihar in been acknowledged by the world as gigantic proportions. Every year it one of the best river valley schemes. creates havoc. » And so far, only in Thot thing is lacking so far ns the vestigations have been completed. Damodar Valley sc*heme is concerned. Eeyu))d that, no step has been taken There is no good propaganda. There by the Government. May I ask is no intelligent publicity. People are Government, so far as Bihar is con- ' not given literature in simple Hindi. cerned. what is going to happen about They are not explained from day to this Kosi? day about the achievemjnt, which is a national achievement. Everybody Shri R, N. S. Deo; It appears that our must have read in the new^'papers, and Ministers have a fondnens lor pro- I w^s. of course. pre.‘-'cnt when the ducinEi habies. Yesterday we heard hon. Prime Minister visited Bihar only paraaoxically enough, from the Pro recently and yisilcd the dams also. duction Minister, that he does not pro The Prime Minister que.«;tioner< a few duce liabies, but he looks after the of the workers and asked “why are you babies handed over tu him by his cutting earth here?” The labourers colleagues, and today also we heard said: ‘‘We do not know. Something f] om hon. Member, Shri Gadgil, n great is going to happen. We are ex-Minister, that these multi-purpose paid wages, we are asked to work and schemes are his babies. WeM. Sir, we are workings” The Prime Minis naturally they must have a soft corner ter commented: “If that be the fact, for these babies, particularly in con until people who contribute their nection with the Ilirakud scheme. My labour know fully we.M of the greatness _ hon. friend Sri Sarancadhar Das from they are going to achieve, until that is ^ Orissa has raised certain questions, done. I am sure there can be no im ’ particularly, the nepotism that is go mediate achievement of the objective *, ing on in Hirakud, how the Oriyas which the Government has planned”. are being depriv^ed of employment, of I was iust pointing this out with a contracts, how there is not a single view to emphasising that more and Executive Engineer or Superintending Engineer who is an Oriya. There is more propaganda and publicity are not a single contractor who ijj an necessary. People are still working Oriya. Hon. Shri Gadgil said that under certain misapprehensions. provincial feeling should not be raised These misapprehensions have got to in this House. He also said that be removed, and so long as w’C do not Punjabis would go but the Hirakud work collectively, we cannot expect dam would remain in Orissa. I quite any good results. . agree. Sir—but let it not damn the The third point is this. I would ask peopV now. There is no reason why , Government, so far as Bihar is concern the legitimate aspirations of the people ed—and I asked this in the Question of the area should not be taken into Hour today—how much land is going consideration, why there should be to be irrigated, or is likely to be wastage, why there should be lakhs irrigated ' by the Damodar Valley of rupees thrown away at the whims 2277 General Budget — 20 JUNE 1952 Demands for GranU 2278 of certain officers, why buffaLoes should aspects of these river valley projects, be imported from the Punjab. We it is inevitable that some scandal or do not object to the Punjabis going the other is raked up. Yesterday the and carrying out the project,—thei^ hon. the Minister for Production gave being contractors or engmeers. They us a. sermon not to rake up those are welcome, but why should Orissa scandals, and not to talk of a Ministry pay for the best quality of buffaloes for Scandals. I had no intention of being imported from the Punjab for raking up any of these scandals to the milk supply of these officers. day. But it was inevitable that those scandals would be brought up by somebody or the other. There is 3TTC nothing which our Government need I be alraid of, in hearing about these scandals. On the contrary, the hon. the iVliMister for P'roduciion, though (Pandit A. R. Shastri (Azamgarh. he does not produce babies, yet he Distt.—East cum Ballia Distt.—West): produced the proverbial mouse after They produce more milk.] the mountain bcin^ in labour; alter fjoing through dictionaries and ciicyclopaedias. he gave us a new deliriitioii of sc-andnls, back-biting, i I .‘tlandcT etr. But he foryot to mention Ibe ordinary meaning oi jjcandajs, as Vv'c understand it. [Ch. Raghubir Singh (Agra Distt.— E.ast): They are morG economical.] Mr. Deputy-Speaker; The hon. Shri R. N. S. Deo; Why should rail Member is now talkin*,^ on ‘Ministry way sleep T.S be imporled from the Pun ol Irrigation’. jab or Himalayas to Orissa? We all know that the eastern states have been Shri R. N. S. Deo: The multi-purpose supplying Railway sleepers to a large ri\'cr valJey sciiemcs are lull of portion of the B. N. Railway for acjes. scandals, and therefore these irriga Now what was the necessity lor im tion schemes which are closely 'tinKeci porting railway sleepers from the up with them are also full ol scandals. F;-iiai)? I do appreciate that the hon. Membec Irjrn Amraoti really gave the best The.'^e are questions which ought to uehnition of scandal. On the 20th be seriously considered. I do not May, 1D52. he said that instead of mean, that alJ the criticism that is accusing Government of these scandals, levelled against these river valley pro- the Opposition ought to thank the jeci.s is justified. Some of it may be Government fc;r the scandals. His uninformed or mis-informed. That can point was that it is to the credit of be understood. But when there are the Government that fhese scandals so serious allegations about nepotism, are being unearthed. I do not wish -about wastage, it is legitimate on our to criticize his point of view, but I part to expect that Government should would only say that the Opposition as take .serious note of these things. My well as the peop’o of this country hon. friend Shri Sarangadhar I)as has would be much happier, if our Govern already mentioned about the appoint ment did not first create scandals and ment of two Committees on this Hira- then try to take the credit for unearth kud project. Now, Sir, from a reply ing them, in which case, we would given only a few days back, we find have saved a lot of wastage and a lot that an interim report of the Padhi of unnecessary burdens on the Committee is still under the considera different States. tion of Government and that the final report is awaited, but the reply indi A lot of criticism has been levelled cates that the Government have not against the manner in which the multi yet made up their mind whether finaV purpose river valley schemes have Iv they will place the report on the been carried on. particularly in Table of this House. Similarly, with regard to the lack of proper project regard to the Mazumdar Committee, estimates before the starting of these the report is under consideration. But schemes, the manner in which they when such serious matters have been have been executed, the wastage of alleged not onlv in Orissa itself, but money involved, and the lack of pro also on the floor of this House, and per rehabilitation arrangements for committees have been appointed by the displaced persons. There was Government, it is only legitimate on also a criticism made about the rise our part to expect that Government in the cost of these projects. There would take Parliament at ?«ast into are many other aspects also, in wh?ch its confidence and place those reports t»if*re has come about a feeling that on the table of the House. In level thine.sr hav<^ not been done in the way ling these criticisms against certain in which they should hP’^« been done. 2279 General Budget — 20 JUNE 1952 Demands for Grants 2280 [Shri R. N. S. Deo] As I said some of this criticism may affair. At the same time we have not be fully justified. We may not also to avoid the other extreme of have the proper facts before us tQ giving the departments of the Govern come to a proper conclusion. So far ment under the ministries, complete as the D.V.C. is concerned, the original freedom which lead to the situations estimate was 37-81 crores of rupees, that have arisen in the Hirakud pro and now it has increased to Rs. 74-98 ject etc. In the case of the Hirakud crores. Of course, some reasons have ' project, I would suggest also another been given for this increase: the in ' thing. In the Control Board which crease due to the extension of the has been set up, the Chief Minister of scope of the project is said to be about Orissa has been appointed as the Rs. 15-83 crores, due to devaluation Chairman. I submit that he wilL not of the rupee, Rs. 3-95 crores; due to be able to serve the purpose that is increase in prices, Rs. 17-39 crores. intended, because as a Chief Minister, If there is good reason for this in he cannot possibly devote the .same crease, and if Government after care amount of time to this important as ful consideration is satisfied that this pect a^ he should. Therefore, the increase is reasonable, then of course, Government should seriously consider we should not have any objection to the setting up of an independent the increase, provided the financial Board, with an independent member prospects justify this increased ex as the Chairman. I would like to ask penditure. The delay in the execu the Government... tion of the projects is another aspect which Government have to consider Mr. Deputy-Spcaker : The hon. end proper control and execution are Member’s time is up. I have given matters on which the Government sufficient time to the hon. Member. should have a clear idea. The Gorwala Committee which was Shri R. N. S. Deo: There are other appointed to report on the efficient aspects of this planning... conduct of State enterprises, recom Mr. Deputy-Speaker : What happens mended that for these multi-purpose is that after the 15th minute. +he river valley schemes, an autonomous hon. Members usually take up a new board was the best; accordingly, for topic for discussion. There ^re the D.V.C. an autonomous corporation thiv;e clocks in the Chamber, and had been set up. But I would like the hon. Members should have a ttJ ask if this is the proper form for a look at the clock also while they 'ire multipurpose river valley project, why speaking. similar bodies were not set up for the Hirakud and the Bhakra-Nangal pro Shri R. N. S. Deo: Sir, I would only jects. In the case of the Hirakud conclude by saying that Government project, there is no such body at all. should seriously consider the sugges We have to avoid the two extremes, tions made by several hon. Members one is undue interference, and the in connection with the exercise of -i other is the laxity of control and proper control over the working of supervision. The Hirakud scheme was these projects. carried on more or less like a depart Shri B. R. Bhagat (Patna cum mental affair. Therefore there have Shahabad): A distinguished foreign been so many scandals about it. visitor who came to India -^ome In the case of the D.V.C. once Parlia months ago described the two main ment decided that the work should be problems of India as ‘water’ and entrusted to an autonomous body; ‘babies’. He also said that if India but the last report of the Gorwala took care of water, the babies wouid Committee says; that there seems to take care of themselves. I hope. be a confusion over the matter, and Sir, with this statement every Mem now there is a tendency to resent so ber of the House will agree, and much autonomy being given. It has t^is statement ialso gives emphasi;s been said that ‘Annual reports are to the importance of the river valli?v essential but the Corporation’s time projects. I think if the House uill should not be wasted in continuously bear in mind the importance of irri having to defend its existence.’ Thus, gation and power in the economy of it should not be our policy to interfere this country, they will give their in the internal administration of an serious consideration to every detail autf)nomoiis body. Once we decide of the actual execution of the river to entrust a certain responsibility ^o valley projects. At present. India a body, the internal administration has a wide and great river-system should be completely left to that body, end has ample water resources. Tt and only an overall general control is a tragedy that at present only C should be exercised by either Govern per cent, of the water is being utilis ment or by Parliament and there ed for irrigation. Our total irrigated should no longer be this tendency to lands constitute only 18 to 19 per make the D.V.C. into a dej^artmental cent, of the total cultivated area. 2281 General Budget— 20 JU N E 1952 Demands for Grants 2282 Besides providing irrigation, the water targets of criticism were the position resources are capable oi generation of of the Financial Adviser, the general power which is so much important for working of the D.V.C., the economics the industrialisation of this country. of the first phase of the irrigation So it is not a wonder—rather it is iust scheme, the whole financial, engineer and proper—that the Planning Com ing and administrative set-up the mission should give so much import estimates and the project reports. I ance to this aspect of the problem. took keen interest in the financial set The Planning Commission in its report up of the thing and I know that since has provided for Rs. 450 crores for the the establishment of the convention river valley projects and after the five that when there would be a difference years when they are completed or of opinion between the Financial Ad towards the last phase of their com viser and the D.V.C. the matter should pletion, another 140 crores is to be be referred to the Government for a provided. The Planning Commission final decision, things have worked very has rightly estimated that the food well. The financial set-up and the problem will be solved if during the administrative set-up have improved five years this budget is able to pro and since the appointment of the vide aditional irrigation to 8*8 million Chief Engineer a few months back— acres and generate power to the extent rather about a year—the‘ progress has of T96 million kilowatts. It has also gone on well and now we have reached a long term plan that in 15 to 1:0 the peak level of the progress. One years we will be able to solve our dam, the Tilaiya dam, is going to l:e economic problems, not only the food completed this year. The Bokaro problem, if through a budget of 1400 thermal plant will be completed early ciores the present total irrigated area next year within the estimate provided is doubled and 7 million kilowatts of for it. Twelve crores of rupees were additional electric power i-s generated provided as the total estimated cost in the country. and it is a happy sign that the Bokaro So, given this background, I would thermal plant is going to be completad like to examine some of the river within that estimate. The only valley projects that are under imple troubling feature is that the estimates mentation and I would only add that 01 some of the dams in the first phase the House cannot ignore the fact that on have recently shot up, wide of the these pro,ipcts alone the future of our mark. Firstly, it is a very unfortu country depends. We cannot provide nate thing that the Damodar Valley a higher standard of living to the Corporation started with very rough people of this country unless we suc and sketchy estimates. The original cessfully and economically implement estimates were, therefore, revised. these projects. We can bring happi But the fault did not lie with the pre ness and prosperity to the rural areas sent Government. It was started only and only when we successfully during the British regime. Secondly, implement these projects. Our civil the whole priority was changed from isation, rather the civilisations of rhe flood control and irrigation to power world, ware mostly river valley civil generation. I think hon. Members isations. We are bringing in more who have criticised the Corporation on river valley civilisations in this world, these grounds are not justified to do but based on a different footing—on so, since the work has gone on ^nd Ihe technological achievements of Jie the mistakes were committed long be modern scientific age. fore this'Government came into being or this Corporation came into existence With these words I go to the D^amo- and now the work cannot be stopped. dar Valley Project in which during There is no helping it. But if we the last two years I have tried to take look to the estimate of the Tilaiya a keen interest. During the last two dam, we find that after the revised years, the Damodar Valley Corpora estimate la.st year which was fixed tion came in for a great deal of at J*0o crores, recently it has gone up criticism both in this House and out to about 3 crores. Some of the ex side, and the E.stimates Committee has planations given by the Corporation in gone into the details of it as well as the «nter-State conferences may be the other river valley projects and valid—that they did not account for made its recommendations. But the submerging of a national highway , knowing, as I do, personally and com due to this dam and now about 20 ing from the same province in which ]?khs had been nrovided for it, and the Damodar Valley Corporation is another 20 lakhs for some thing which situated, it is a rather heartening they did not take into account before. thing for me to say that during the 'ast But whatever may be the explanation six months since these matters were for that, I think any reasonable and taken up in the House and the Esti proper estimate should have taken all mates Committee visited the site and these things into consideration. I made its recommendations, things have am glad the Finance Minister is here. improved enormously. The main He should look into the subject. The 2283 General Budget— 20 JUNE 1952 DemantU for Grants {Shri B. R. Bhag 8t] bane of the Damodar Valley Corpora and I am glad that the Finance tion is not the wasteful expenditure M inister has again taken keen interest as such. With personal knowledge in the same. I refer to the economic of the thing, I can say that it is njt and financial justification of the D.V.C. the wasteful expenditure, but the lack Now, the First Phase progran^me of of proper estimate, the lack of an tne D.V.C. according to tne revised integrated over-all expenditure in the estimate provides tor a capital invest first phase as well as in the second ' ment of Ks. 78 crores, and the gross phase that is creating so much trouble. ' revenue has been calculated by thc 1 am g]*ad that the Finance Minister Corporation as Rs. £ 8 crores. The has taken keen interest in this respect, v.’OTking expenses alter the First and I would request him to go Into Plrase Is compieted are calculated to the detiiils of the estimates of the be 1-71 crores; and deducting the Tiiaiya Dam as well as the Koaar wundng expenses from the gross Dam. The Konar Dam was originally revenue, the net revenue works. out ^stimat-ad to cost Rs. 4 crores; now it ’ to be Rs. 4*1 crores, If you take the has gone up td Rs. 9 crores. I know it IntereFt ,on the rupcse loan and the may bo said to be due to the rise in dollar loan that have been given to prices, to devaluation, and so on. But the Corporation, the net revenue what I plead anxiously before this <'omes to 4 *9 per ^ cent, per annum House is that the whole projcct should Kow, llooci control is not a paying piro- be estimated afresh and an overall positiou. The bo.nefit is negative, in financial picture of the project should’ the sense that only in one year—I be prepared; The project report si'pposo in 1944—d\ie to the devastat must be drawn up afresh. With the ing floods the country was put to a exceeding of the estimates of the>e loss of Rs. 14 crores. So, negatively Dams which are nearing completion f.ood control is an advantage, but the problem has again cropped up, nnd from the finrncial point of view flood I think this . is the most opportune control is a liability and a drain. So, time to emphp.sise-this point. It ?s if we exclude flood control, the . more so because the work has now revenue comes to 5 89 per cent. So, f reached its peak level. We are rjo- it ts a very rosy picture of-the finan ing fo spend Rs. 19 crores, and we cial and economic position. But there will spend more in the next succeed 1? a snag in it. The ijuestion was ing year and the year after that. The discussed in one of the inter-State Maithon Dam and the Panchet Hill conferences held in Delhi perhaps in Dam are the mo.st important dams May laM. It has been stipulated that because these are the only two dams Damodar Valley Corporation will which will deal with flood control be able to pay its entire interest, which is so important and over which which is now a capital charge during we are going to spend about Rs. 28 the period of construction, in the year crores. The peak level of work *vill 1964-65. But it is now realised that br reached on these two dams in the the Damodar Valley Corporation vill next two yegir. So, I beg of the rot be able to clear ofl" all the interest Finance Minister and the Government arrears in 1964-65: and only then, that they should look into the esti- after the interest arrears are cleared rvates of these two big dams. Com off. will the refunding of capital pared to them, the Tiiaiya and the begin. So. it seems that the refund Konar Dams are small dams. These ing of capital is put off. If this is are the bigger dams, and they are ihs going to happen, the whole rosy main dams as resrards flood control picture drawn by the Damodar Valley and irrigation. What I repeat is Corporation turns blurred and even that overall estimates should be pre dismal. So, I would beg of ohe pared on the basis of the experience Finance Minister to examine this of the dams which have already ouestion. The economic and financial been constructed. It has been stated proposition of the scheme consists ^at estimates for the Panchet Hill mainly in keeping to the time sche Dam have been prepared on iim basis dule of work and in seeing that each of the Maithon Dam. I hardly <'ee project is completed in the time reason for that, because the schedule at the minimum cost. This Panchet Hill Dam, although it is of is very important in judging the the same desiini and the same cons- economic and financial aspect of the if same as Jhe D.V.C. Maithon Dam. 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Jn ailncatiiiLj Ceniral assibtMnce 13 Part B States, t'neir special noecJs for brinr'i’iR up llie level of ad min i.^-trp.tion and social services iT3fr '^ 'K ^ ^J^ ^ to that of Pari A States have been kept in mind.” ^3TRT m w ^ n ^ ’T# ITT ?n^- ^ 3TnT4 ^ ^ f?r5rTf »TKi Tflnror % ?t r ^ ^ w jptt t ? ^ 3TK 3 n r v5PT ^ W >TRrr 3ftr R\ ^ ’T^TT ^ TK ft 5Tfi t' I ^ ^ 'nt qV# q t^ ^ ^ % feff ^ sqr^r % ^TKT 55T^ ^ 5ft r«4M 3TN # ^ ^nfir^ ^ ^ g;’^ tt >TRT t ^ ?nTr?r ^ it«it ? ^irnr I ^ jtt i ^ g;tt’ ^ •^Hfl zft^HT "TT S5 "pO* rf ^r^r + i ^ ^ctfr ^=# ^ ^T5TT t ^ #CTR7 (bet fSTT t- ^ +'^ ^^TT ^ ^Tt^ ^r ^n?FR ^ fro# ’PT*'^ t- (colony) ^rr^yrt i ^ 5nfir%qr^ePT^3ft ^ ^ f, PFite (plant) afh: ^rt^^TT TT ^tnr ^ ^ ^ iR ty 3TT » r t t ^ 4 f t f ^ ? , ^ ^ «*T^FTT ^ ^ ^ ^ *nTT t . ^ ?fr iT«T^m ^ f e n ^ fem 5fPT f^nfT ^ ^ ^ ih ^ft^% 3ftr ^ w ^ ^ 3TRTT 5jR-^r< ?r ^ i a n ^ 5 f r ^ ?> 3 f k ^ ^ ^ S F R ^ ^ ^ q=)TT^ ^ q75T ^ t Pp vnr^T 3Ttr TRT^TTT % (First Five Year Plan) ^nfm ^fTPT ^^TT^T ^ f e n 'jTRT ^ ^ W f e n '»iiq (English translation of the aboi'e r ^ 3frr ^ I fjRTft 3Trjf speech) ^ ^ft 5fmr^‘ f ^ ^ Shri Radhelal Vyas (Ujjain): Sir, I ( H y d e l ) ^T^jnrnT ^ |' i ^^fer am very grateful to you for having allowed me to speak. The River THfPTT^ 3ftr "iTTT^ H Valley schemes have the potentiality to change the face of the country from ^ rr^ ^ -jft the point of view of economics, agricul ture _and industry. They would also t I ^ ?TT^ ^ ^ 3T?Jr TF?Eff ^ make up the food deficit which compels LIS today to spend billions of rupees. TFT’’ o ^ ^ ^^jfTHT ^ That is why the Planning (Commission, have taken in hand those schemes first ?r ^ ^ ^ ^ 3#T^ f^csr^ which can nul us on the road to self- sunRciency in foodfjrains by increasing i m t the production. In this connection the ^TP^ ^ TT3iT!Eri?r ^ ^ % tt^ t C\)mmission has laid down four s'jecific [)i ni( iplo.s. The first is that priority ^ t' f^T3F^ ^ I would be given to those schemes whicii are in hatid at present or on ^ !T^iTf ^ ^ ^ 'iff arr^- which work is proceeding. The second principle is to eive priority to t I ^ ^ ^ ^ r ^nr«Tr ^ thoso s'hemes that are meant for in creasing the productioi> of food. The ^^jRT3ft Sfit «Mqlf«-c(ri ^fHTT ^ ^ f third principle lays down that those *flf?TT 3fk fjT^ ^ ^ ^ sc’iemes would also receive priority which are more beneficial and fruitful arrtr (lair and order) sr^r in comparison with the amount to be spent on them and the fourth principle ^TRt WT ^ W t ^ftr ^ ^f^3T- is that while giving priority account would be taken of the need of the parti ^rrfl* 3ftr #5frrft- 3rr?ft ^n^r ^'tqr q r cular areas and backward areas would also be taken inlrj consideration. AM ’Tg^ ^ ^ I 3TIt ^T^f fe" 5T1% the big River Valley Schemes includ-.^d in the map on na£?e :V2 of Ihe Central fe" P( [Shrl Radhelal Vyas] and the Madhya Bharat and the the facts and figures connected with Rajasthan Governments have spent the scheme we would find that it is Rs. 1 crore, 30 lakhs and Rs. 30 lakhs not less ambitious than others and does respectively on it. But not a single pie cost less. From the point of view of has been provided for in the Five Year utility also it would prove to be very Plan for this scheme. Nor has this useful. This would bring 12 lakh acres been included in the Budget. Sir, I of land under irrigation and would need not point out that the Madhiya generate two lakh kilowatts of electric Bharat and the Ra.iast’ian Governments power. It would supply power not started the work of this scheme without bnly to the whole of Madhya Bharat any help from the Centre, even with and Rajasthan but also to Ajmer, out asking for any "help. ' Rather I Bhopal, Dohad and some part of Uttar would like to say that the British Pradesh. authorities had taken up the work of this scheme when Japan had occupied The JVIadhya Bharat Government Burma. The reason behind this was have spent a lot on this scheme but it that due to occupation of Burma b.y the has not been taken over in spite . of Japanese, the British lost the tin and the principle laid down by the Planning zinc deposits found in Burma and there Commission that schemes under con were no such deposits anywhere in struction tvould be taken over at all India except in Jhawar in Mewar State. costs. We find that more attention has And electricity was needed for working been paid to the schemes of Part A these mines, necessitating the taking up States and all those under construction of this scheme. But when the British in them have been taker; over. But reoccupied Burma, these mines were these schemes, which are some of the returned to the Rajasthan Government biggest in Northern India, and on which and the Chambal Scheme was suspend depend the chances of betterment of ed. As is indicated in the Report this the lives of the people of Madhya scheme came under the consideration Bharat and Rajasthan, have been put of the Government in 1943. In 1945 in cold storage. I want to draw the the Governments concerned took the attention of the Government towards - scheme in hand. Indore State started such schemes especially. tVie work on it followed by Udaipur, Let me point out that even if we Kotah and Madhya Bharat. Th’ere was analyse the scheme for development of a difference of opinion among them on irrigation from the point of view of , “the subject. The then Minister for expected increase in foodgrains produ- Works and Power, Shri Gadgil, went tion, we can expect good r^ u lts as 12 there and convened two meetings to lakh acres would come under cultiva settle the differences. In June 1948, tion after the completion of the scheme. the Chambal Technical Board was set If work is started in 1952, irrigation up including the representatives of all would begin by 1955. It would cost the States concerned. The Chairman Rs. 21 crores in five years and the of the Board was appointed by the amount of interest that would be due •Central Government. One representa during the period of construction, added tive each of the Rajasthan and the to the capital, would amount to 4J per Madhya Bharat Governments was there cent, of the total capital. It would on the Board. The Board drew up a yield profits in another form after its scheme. During his tour of Madhya completion. The Government would Bharat at that time Shri Gadgil pro be able to collect Rs. 6 crores in the claimed in his speeches that as shape of betterment fees. This scheme Bhagirath had brought Ganga to Uttar would require only Rs. 21 crores in Pradesh, Chambal would be made to five years. Should the people of flow in Madhya Bharat and that the Madhya Bharat and Rajastftfan remain scheme was going to be very beneficial backward, go on suffering and be to the whole of the State. The people deprived of hopes held out to people of Madhya Bharat had great hopes. of other states simply because a provi They looked forward to economic pro sion for this amount cannot be made? gress. industrial development, increase in agricultural production and solution Sir, I would draw the attention, es of the unemployment problem in the pecially, of the hon. Minister of Finance backward areas of Rajasthan and towards the principle laid down by the TVIadhya Bharat. But I am pained to Planning Commission. On page 42 of ■say that people there are very much the draft report of the Commission, it disappointed on account of the fact that is stated: the scheme has been totally neglected. “In allocating financial aid from They complain that the Central Govern . the Centre for the various State ment are not prepared to incur any plans, care has been taken to meet- expenditure on the scheme, even when as far as possible, the requirements It would not be costly. If we study of the more backward areas. In 22«7 General Budget — 20 JUNE 1952 - Demands for Grants 2298 allocating Central assistance to I hope that the schemes of these Slates Part B States, their special needs would be included in the First Five for bringing up the level of ad-- Year Plan. ministration and social services to that of Part A States have been Before I resume my seat I wish to kept in mind.” thank you again Sir, for having allow ed me to speak. I want to know whether this .principle was kept in mind while con sidering the case of Madhya Bharat and Rajasthan. Are these two States not more backward than Part A States? 3TTT ^ 3n-«rrfr f stpt Have the Government abandoned the principle of bringing them to the level TO, ^ M ^ of Part A States? A sum of Rs. U frm I crore.s has already been spent on the Chambal Scheme. Lands have "been requisitioned, stocks have been built ^ rrfrfrt fr up. a road has been constructed in connection with it, a colony has been built, plant and machinery have arriv- ‘ ed from abroad, the sluice gates etc., ordered from Germany are about to come, and most of the material has been collected. Will it all go waste? t 5T Would the Madhya Bharat and Rajas than Governments have to wait for another five years for giving a practi cal shape to the scheme? I want to f I # ^ fm mxr submit that this scheme should be thoroughly examined and if it promises t , 3fr< better results at less cost than other vrrf 3fk 3TFT ^ 5 ^ schemes, there is no good reason for depriving Madhya Bharat and Rajas than of its benefits. ^ f t TfT ? [S h r i P a t a s k a r in the Chair] a fir sft ^ I would like to say one thing more in this connection. ‘The big develop 3TRT 9TT '»! IcIT 5 I ^ ^♦TSfTcri ^ fV *^ ment schemes include those for genera tion of hydel power. In Rajasthan and Madhya Bharat not ev^n a single ^ ^ kilowatt of hydel power is available, whereas hydel power is available in I am ^ anir other states in the country and new ►schemes are going to augment the supply of hydel power in these states. It does not look proper that Madhya WK 3T IT? WSJ H? JTT w" fc r ^ T^-ft lit ftr ^ ^ JTf'TT jr-iT ? r'^Tfff «pr ^.-ift STTT 4' ’■I’mrni I fifT gcrrd ^ f r i , T*j KiTf ^ i m iTi; sir |jr r t l^'Tn # ?5i'^ m ^fn' g-?f »rtr?5T ^ ^ r - r t r ■>rr? f-t“ ^I'-ff-i'/r Wf'i % ^ f t (subsidy) ?fR *T-^^ t % f^if If arr-ft f^^Tn ^'r >t?iti:- ^foT^'ft f 5^ ^ ^r 3fH T^ jTiT'f 5IK ^r.-f ^ I ^ §r 5TT5r I 3f^v ZTf ^r 'BURT JtfHT ^ ^ ^ a step further and say that the whole world is their home. But I ani fT?Tre''Tf ^ 'If I ?|TJT^ pained to notice that the question of Punjabi and Oriya sometimes comes to ft^irfrf ^5frirffr% 5T|T| arVr the fore here. The Puniabis, though ruined and uprooted from their homes, 3T^f 3TT3r (Industry) iPW>T have never approached anybody with the beggar’s bowl in their hands. If S|ft 5IT T?V ^ •»ft fssrfl 'BT'Ta they are alive today, it is because they earn their bread with the sweat of their fShri Hem Rajl Titty six per cent, of the deficit can inaccurate for purposes of discussion on be met only by this scheme. With the the floor of this House. Similarly, in completion of this scheme the Punjab, the Budget Estimates supplied to us which now «ives two lakh tons of food- regarding the D.V.C., we have a memo grains would be able to meet the whole randum which seeks to explain some of the shortage. In that event, the of the items which call for explanation Government will be spared the hue This memorandum was prepared seven and cry made by Communists and their months ago and much has happened criticism regarding food subsidies, and ^ since then, with the result that if we the country would derive much benefit have to base our arguments on the Not that 11 would supply water and literature before us. we shall find that electricity to Punjab alone. Besides we sometimes talk beside the point. Punjab, the people of Rajasthan and PEPSU would also ^et these benefits. A complaint is sometimes heard that the Punjabis only serve their own ends. But we Puniabis are liberal-minded It is fortunate that we here take a and we are prepared to share our little interest in the expending aspect wealth with the pt’ople of PEPSU and of our duties. The D.V.C.,"if I remem Rajasthan, and if it can reach tjiem, ber aright, had been the main target even with our friends in Orissa. This of abuse and ill-informed criticism in scheme will serve not one State, but the past. Previously the picture was three or four States. It would also be one of a combination of the North and able to serve many towns in Delhi the South to slash the D.V.C. I find States, where industries are being estab that somehow or other that picture has lished. What is needed is that instead now changed. Time was when we of extending its date to 1M54 or 1959. it used to be told that the Bhakra Nangal should be completed by inve.sting more and the Hirakud Projects were to money, if possible and by importing serve as models for the rest of the machinery from abroad as early as country. What has happened now to possible. If this is not done, it would Hirakud? What has happened to not be possible to finish the scheme Bhakra-Nangal? Why are they not early enough and we would not be able now placed before us as models? to remove the shortage of foodgrains. (Pandit Thokur Das Bhargava: They are models.) How is it that in some of the Conferences it is the D.V.C. that Sir, this would not only meet the is held up as the model? I mention food shortage, but would also provide this only to warn my friends to be electricity to the industrial towns. rather chary in making criticisms. Industries would develop and the pro These are enormous projects. I am not blem of the uprooted people, about here to defend them absolutely. I do whom you have to listen to so much not for one moment suggest that there criticism, would also be solved to a has been no corruption or wastage, but, great extent. Sir, I am grateful to you taking the overall picture, I can say for having given me this opportunity. that our men are doing their best. We should trust the men we have put there. Shri Jaipal Singh (Ranchi West- If they are going wrong, let us put Reserved—Sch. Tribes): It is very un them right. (Interruption) I sec my fortunate that the debate has been SDlit hon. friend Shri B. Das, the father of up, whereby people who want to soeak the House, wanting to say something. on the river valley projects have been He was one who was in the Standing robbed of the opportunity of criticising Committee and he was going all out the overall planning. After all, the against the D.V.C. But what is his river valley projects are the results of position today? Today, he says that overall planning and I do hot see how the Hirakud is a tale of enormous mis planning as such can be divorced from spent crores of rupees and wants us to the discussion. One speaker, for prevent that. The same sort of thing example, completely lost him.self in has happened with regard to Bhakra- talking about planning. I hope this Nangal. Previously, it was a question sort of thing will not be repeated. of “Why don’t you get Indians?” Indians, Indians, Indians preferably We are at a disadvantage this year Punjabis and Madrasis. We were told, in discussing the river valley projects, “Do not get frightened by them ‘because because we have been given out-of they do not wear chappals. They have date reports. There is. for example, the done wonderful things.” That used to fifth reoort of the Estimates Commit be the argument before. Today, we tee. Laudable and commendable as it see a different thing. We saw it during was when it was published, much has the foreign affairs debate. There it happened since its publication which was clarified. There was an over makes it completely out of date and whelming vote in favour of the pro 2305 General Budget^ 20 JUNE 1952 Demands ofr grants 230e p osition that for some time to come porter of the D.V.C. than Mr. B. R. until we have trained our own person Bhagat. nel, we have to depend upon “expert technical personnel" from abroad. And, Sdmething similar like that can Sir, it is not going to be cheap. The happen. It is very unfortunate that sooner we in this country get rid of when a Report like this is distributed this idea of cheapness ia big projects to Members of Parliament, which ; out the better it will be for us. In any of date in regard to the D.V.C., big project, in anything that we cannot Hirakud, Bhakra-Nangal and ever^hing do ourselves, we will have for some else—they are not given an opportunity time yet to depend UDon foreign aid to have a little memorandum to show and we will have to pay through the what has been done since these enquir nose, and the less we talk about getting ies were made. I say Members have cheap personnel from abroad the better. been pointing to things that. have al ready been done—at least most of them. Shri Velayudhan: The personnel is When I talk I am not supporting every cheap. That is the complaint. thing that these various authorities have been doing, but when 1 find a Shri Jaipal Singh: If I can find any learned Member like Dr. Meghnad Saha body from Mr. Velayudhan’s area who telling me in regard to the work that can do the work, I would be willing to has been done in the D.V.C. that some pay him thrice as much. I shall be dam that they have made is little only too glad to do so, even if the better than a pond! Sir, it is difficult Southerners want to flood the North in to argue with people who talk like that. order to earn their existence. All I would say is I would invite Dr. Meghnad Saha to come to my owri Shri Velayudhan: There are engineers home area. That is where the thing is in the South who have gone to America happening. 1 have seen these things and studied there all about dam work with my own eyes. and they are doing dam work and some of them are getting Rs. 15,000 per Shri Meghnad Saha: I may refer him month. I challenge the hon. Member to the report of Mr. Voorduin where he to disprove me. discusses the twelve dams, and this Tilaiya dam is the smallest there. Shri Jaipal Singh: I am glad to see the enthusiasm of my hon. friend. Shri Jaipal Singh: My friend is prov ing what I have already said. We are Shri Velayudhan: It is not a question out of date. We are miles and miles of enthusiasm. I am giving you aw’ay from Voorduin’s estimate. What correct facts. Voorduin said is completely out of date. He is somewhere else today. We Mr. Chairman: No argument across began, as my friends from West Bengal the Table should be carried on. The will recollect, with this question of hon. Member may proceed. fiood control. That has receded into Shri Jaipal Singh: There has been a the background. Flood control has great deal of talk about mass enthus been superseded by this power supply. iasm. I want to ask my hon. friends Mr. Chairman: The hon. Member has as to how many of them have visited only two minutes more. any of these projects. I have been to all the three main projects—may. I Shri Jaipal Singh: Having said this I add, at my own expense. My hon. want to make a few suggestions. But friends here, there and yonder make before I go on to make those sugges long speeches about mass enthusiasm. tions I would just like to say this. I I would like to see them enthused first. would like to remind hon. Members, Let them visit the sites and see the one welcomes their enthusiasm, their difficulties of the various projects. I scrutiny of expenditure, their surveys. mention this because today I see a That is all to the good. But I think it tremendous conversion in my young is better to be well informed about friend Mr. B. R. Bhagat. Only yester things, not to be out of date, and to day we were quarrelling, pulling at make up our mind on whom we are opposite ends. He was very critical of going to rely. If my hon. friend the D.V.C. I was supporting the D.V.C. Mr. Deshmukh goes to the area and We said: come on, one o tth e Directors tells me that he is satisfied and that of the D.V.C. is here, let us get into the work is going on satisfactorily, am the lobby and cross-examine him with I going to rely on his word or on the regard to some of the rather distressing word of somebody else who reads books features of the Fifth Jlepoft of the and has not been to the spot? Our Estimates Committee. We sat there and creditors, the Americans are very hard discussed things. Within half an hour headed businessmen. I do not know there was a complete change of mind, whether any of my hon. friends have Mid today we have not got a better sup had any buslness-deallngs. The 2307 General Budget — 20 JUNE 1952 Demands for Grants 2308 [Shri Jaipal Singh] Americans are hard-headed business f ^ wsrar % n? 1f f men, almost heartless. In giving the money they have seen to it that the JT? fT^T iPT ? fc i f 1 3fr wpr irfffr % fe w >r [ * Tt XT^nTirni'ir ] ^ Pt» ^ ![> r ? t 5 ^ ^ fflt^nt It ?t T?r ^ % ■ Sir, I would request the Govern ment and the Damodar Valley Cor «TT^?TO 5 * ^ poration to bear in mind that when the Damodar Valley Scheme was be ^ ^'t ^ WPft I 3niT ing considered, it was decided that people* who would have to be remov W ^ h'T^ ^T^Pfr Tijt ed from their homes or lands would be g.ven alternate houses and lands. ^ ^ f w ^irm r i That was the original decision but now I have heard that the Estimates m x ^ ^ ^ ^Tc-rr % ark Committee had a brain wave that % ^PT T ^ ^ ^ 31^'ET such people should be compensated monetarily. ^ ^ rr^ ^ h‘ft, ^ ‘< giT Shri A. C. Guha (Santipur): The f W IM ’TT I q-fe ^ Estimates Committee never said so. Babu Ramnarayan Singh: But Ihere ^'1*1 ^ was something of that nature, in the >Tt ^ n?f fen i air. I should be glad if this is not true. But we should be definite (English translation of the above those people, who would have to be speech), removed from their houses or lands, Babu Ramnarayan Singh: Sir, my would be given houses and lands. hon. friend Shri Jaipal Singh, has I would rather say that the just now supported the Damodar corporation and its master, the Valley Corporation and other Government, will have to do this. River Valley schemes enthusias If they do not, .ither ways can be tically. Personally I cannot show adopted. It is not proper for the cor that much enthusiasm but what he poration to build houses according to has said undoubtedly makes sense and its own taste. Houses should be buiU We would have to take that into con according to the wishes and tastes of sideration. Other hon. Members have those who have to live in them. The complained that wherever Boards or corporation should not build houses corporations have been set up, cliques as it pleases. have sprung up. Let me console them by saying that this is inevitable. Sir, I would point out one more Ramayana contains a saying, namely, thing in this connection. People who “ Jasa dulaha tesa ^ hau barata” i.e. have to surrender their lands for the the marriage party models itself on construction work of the scheme the bridegroom. When there are cli- should be given lands in return and (jues in the Government, how can a they should not be made displaced corporation set by it be free from persons. There should be arrange them? The fact is that such things ments for resettling them. That is are there and will go on. An hon. a jungle infested area, which takes a tjiend suggested thnt all these (corpo lot of labour to clear. The corpora rations etc.) should be scrapped. But tion has got tractors and other means that would not do. If you want to which can bt' used foT- clearing land. scrap them start by scrapping the Gov The corporation should clear that land ond then give it to the people. It is ernment. So long afi the Government said, that the land-clearing operations last We should get as much good out would cost very much. I think it of it as possible. There is nothing to should not matter whether clearing be happy about the things this Gov costs Rs. 600 per acre or Rs. 6,000 per ernment does, but if the River Valley acre. Giving lands to peopbe whose Schemes are put into operation pro- lands have been used in the construc per)y they would certainly benefit tion work of the scheme is a dire our country. There are certain short necessity and the land has to be clear comings in the Damodar Valley Cor od. Humanitarianism demands that poration but then, they arc the short monetary considerations should not comings of the Government. It does stand in its wav. Our hon. friend not mean that work should be stopped. Shri Deshmukh can ver.y easily get I am vefy pleased that the Corpora currency notes printed. Whatever the tion has also taken up a commercial circumst.inces it is our duty to give venture and that is of suppl.y water to some land to the peoole who have had Hazaribagh city. The corporation to surrender their lands and land can has repaired the dam on the Chadwa be made available after clearing the river. But the Bihar Government jungles. have reserved the right of laying of pipes etc. It would have been much Praise is also due to the corporation better if this work had also been en for what it. has done and what it is do trusted to the corporation, which is an ing. I want that its work should pro expert body. ceed .«^moothly. Our hon. friend Shri 315 General Budget — 20 JUNE 1952 Demands for Grants 2310 [Babu Ranmarayaa Singh] Jaipai Sitigh has just now pointed out Sir, it has been stated here that if that we would have to engage Ameri outsiders go to the places where deve can technicians. This would cost us lopment work is proceeding they are much. 1 ask: are the Indians devoid not accorded any welcome, and that of skill and did Americans learn the they are not encouraged, Sir, un work of such river valley schemes at fortunately Government and the the very outset? They also learnt it people have since long been two gradually by themselves, why not separate entities in this country. Both employ Indians only for that purpose? are not properly related. I ask you : wjio would welcome such a Govern- It has been stated that an expert iTient? I say that if the outsiders has been called from America to work participating in the development work on the Bhakra Dam. He is being paid at a particular place work properly an income-tax tree salary of Rs. 10,000 for the interests of the country per mensem. In addition, the Govern and the people at large, and consider ment would provide him with all sorts themselves to be ser\ants of of fa^ ities and comforts. That means the people, they would be welcomed. thal ihe Government of India would But they would not be tolerated in thte spend more than Rs. 10.000 per men- capacity of overlords. 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Das (Darbhanga Central): I feel grateful to you for this oppor ^ % 3?TT ^ tunity given to me to say a few words at the end of today’s meeting. ^ T|f^ f afh: ^ In the discussion that has followed in regard to the Ministry of Irrigation and Power, the policy, the scheme and administration of that Ministry has come in for severe criticism. To me if the people of a country like India» where nature has been so lavish in respect of land and water resources, % W T 3N^ are suffering from poverty and un iTRTf^ 3nf employment just because of want of food, it is the most astounding thing ?T^t ^ jftlRT SFt ^ ^ ever known. The way this country has tfaced the complex post-indepen fWt? 3nf «ft aftr f^RT^ ^ dence situation, the national and international calamities and the iTPff ^ ^ f e n ^ 2TT ^ aftr ^ ^ problems arising out of Partition, will ever be memorable and ^ ^ «n ^ «TT rightly a source of pride for us. It is really an astonishing achievement 5rf% ^ ^ ^STPT #^FR f I of the Government to :.tart so many ^ TTirwr^lv^ ( Advisory multipurpose projects and under take survey-work in connection with Committee) ^ t ^ ^ so many others despite all these diffi culties Jpt^t W ^ f^^T' 3fk ^ ^ S^TU f ^ l ^ 5T5P?T ^t^TT ^rrf^ I A Notwithstanding all these difficul ties and insufficient financial re +^H l 15511 g i^RT ^ ^? + l sources, the Government have under taken to control four of our big ^ RnrifR^ ^ t ^ ^ ^ rivers and survey work has already been started on many other projects ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ I ^ and schemes from which the country will benefit immensely in times to 2t>3r t % ^ f t r ^ come. On behalf of the people of =5TTf^ I 3flr ?T^ f% ^ my country I thank and congratulate the Government for undertaking such % 3T?r ^ projects. It is true that initial diffi culties and shortcomings always ^ ftr ^ Pc^^d ^ fWt accompany any undertaking. Our Government likewise is fared with ^ ^3im, the shortage of manv necessary things of which the financial resources form % ^ ^ 3rr^ 3T^ ^ # the main item. They have not got the necessary expert personnel, techni % ^TT^ ^ 5 cians and research facilities. Yet, des ^ I ?5T^ Hftmft % ftm r ^ pite all these handicaps, the Govern ment continue to make an all-round t ^ Ti^ ^ I progress in their work. Viewed in the light of this progress and the many 3RT pR 3PJ^ hurdles in their way, the Government deserve our congratulations * and ^"tlRT ^ ift^FTT ^ thanks. 231i3 General Budget— 20 JUNE 1952 Demands for Grants 2324 LShri S. N. Das] a special fund for research and train ing purposes and set apart sufficient Looking to the past rere- considered by the Esti.nnates Com free so far as their financial position mittee and regarding which they is concerned. It is, therefore, desir have recommended a cut in the ex able that they should be offered good penditure. Personally, I am nut in terms in regard to salary and rank. accord with it. The recommendation concerns tbie re?Garch work. The work that is being done by the Foona Re Another suggestion I want to make search Station in connection with the is that in respect of many matters, it control of river? will be of much is said that they are provincial mat importance in the days to come. Any ters. Just now the attendance in the relaxation on our pnrt just now in the House is very thin. Stiil I may say matter of research-work, expert per that the Kosi Project is not a provin sonnel requirements and training, cial project. It does not concern will mean that the great task of Bihar alone. If the delay in its com controlling our vast water-resources pletion is due to any misunderstand with the future object of their utiliza ing just because of this impression, tion in the development of our agri then I would request the hon. Mem culture and industrialisation will never bers to gather the correct information be accomplished. I feel we cannot at the earliest. It is not a project depend On foreign experts and their concerning Bihar alone. It is not research for a satisfactory completion aimed at controlling the floods or of this great undertaking. I, there deigned to save the crops. Nor is it fore. want the Government to interest b^ng constructed to have navigational themselves more and more in the re benefits. It is essentially conne<;ted search work and set apart for this with a human problem which the Gov purpose as large funds as possible. ernment and people of this country as also the hon. Members of this I wish to offer one more suggestion. House must solve at the earliest. You Whenever a need for economy is felt, cannot visualise the distresjiful things which first engage the hon. conditions there just by hearing any Finance Minister’s attention for cut speech here. The hon. Members in expenditure are those, which should, if they feel no inconvenience, when suspended, are not likely to visit that area in these days when a result in any immediate lo.‘?s or, at veritat)le sea seems to be flowing on least, they are apparently so. Thus a 20 miles wide tract of land and such things are the first victims of when the people of every village are any steps towards economy. I insist living not on land but cn raised that the hon. Minister should set up wooden structures with water all 2325 General Budget — 20 JUNE 1952 Demands for Grants 2320 round underneath. And they mated cost of it was 4-16 crores. contiune to live in these conditions That scheme has been put in execu for months together. tion also to some extent and about 2 crores of rupees have already been Now that the bell has gone, I want spent. ^ WJiat has happened now? to draw attention of the hon. Minis All of a sudden, in the beginning of ter that the first part ni the report this year, it was stopped The reason of survey regarding Kosi concerning given was that the subsidy which was the generation of electricity is a use sanctioned; by the Central Govern less one. As has been recommended ment had been stopped for the time by the Advisory Committee, first of beting. Therefore, the whole work all Kosi floods should be controlled stopped ail of a sudden. About 5000 and its overflowing waters should be labourers were employed in that used in agriculture. First of all the work. All of them had to be dis construction of the Balka barrage charged for the time beuig. Later on, should be undertaken and completed after a lot of criticism in the press, as early as possible. It mwst receive etc. the work was again resumed. a top-priority in that proiect. It But, only about 1500 workers were should not be don# because it will employed. Subsequently, the number help in irrigation and then increase was again reduced to SCO. Now, only the production of foodgrai.ns nor be 800 labourers are working. Ihe cause we want to generate electricity scheme is practically at a standstill: which will prove so useful in our cot the work is being slowed down all on tage industries, rather it should be the ground that the Centre has not done out of a consideration to save given the necessary funds thousands of persons who meet an untimely death and to relieve several lakhs ofothers who suffer This is a sanctioned scheme and from so many epidemics as a result the Centre is legally and morally of the floods. In conclusion, I will bound to furnish the funds, and if plead again that the Kosi Project is the Centre refuses to furnish any in no way a provincial one. It is not further funds at the proper time, it exclusively concerning Bihar. It will be responsible for all the conse- concerns India as a whole. It is niiences. 1 submit thnt it is '-cry neither an irrigation project. It is unfair on the part of the Central Gov rather an issue which concerns the ernment to refuse the funds in a mat safety of thousands of persons. It ter like this when the scheme is part should be viewed in that light and, ly worked. Buildings have been as such, given top-pi'iority. constructed and certain canals have been dug, and if the working of the Shri Pocker Saheb: Sir, I beg to scheme is slowed down, the result move my cut motion No. 431. will be that shortly all these also will disappear. The heavy rain which is Mr. Chairman: The cut motions beginning now will cause great damage have already been moved. The hon. to the work that has already been Member can speak. done. Shri Pocker Sabeb: I shall just say There was a superstition that Mala a few words on thif matter. The pur bar being blessed with two monsoons pose of my cut motion is to discuss and there being plenty of lain, irri the lack of progress made in execut gation schemes were not nece.‘?sary. ing the Malampuzh.i scheme ,in it was because of this superstition Malabar, Madras State. and the that Malabar was not given the pressing need of expeditiously execut benefit of any irrigation scheme, ing such schemes in Malabar. though there were ever so many T submit that Malabar has been a very schemes framed and shelved. No unfortunate part of this country, so doubt, Malabar is favourc?d by nature far as Irrigation schemes are concern in one sense by the existence cf two ed, for decades and decades the peo monsoons. But it is not suitable for ple of Malabar have been agitating the raising of crops. When rain is for the execution of various irrigation required, there is no rain and there schemes. But, the British Govern is diflflculty. When rain is not re ment was very busy in getting the quired. there will be rain and the schemes framed and all the schemes seeds sown will be washed away. were shelved. You may remember. This has been our experience. It Is Sir, in 1943, famine and epidemics to save Malabar from these calami- aff^ected Malabar and .some 50,0t)0 or t.jps to a certain extent, that Ihis M.-.lam- 75.000 people died of cholera and for puzha scheme was passed and put want of food. After all this agitation, into executiion. This scheme will on*> scheme called the Malampuzha irrierate a very large area, ?^nri it wil! scheme was sanctioned and the esti bring about 40,000 acres of land un- 2327 General Budget — 20 JUNE 1952 Demands for Grants 232 8 [Shri Pocker Saheb] der cultivation, and produce about should have given up the hydro 20,000 tons of paddy when it is fully electric scheme and satisfied them executed. According to the original selves with the flood control and irri plan, the scheme should be expected gation, but in their enthusiasm, they to be completed by 1953, but now, seem to have thought of keeping this from the behaviour of the Govern hydro-electric scheme also in the ment in slowing down, it will not be bigger scheme. To supplement the over even by 1955 or 1U56. In the hydro-el)ectric ischeme, they provided meanwhile, the slowing down process for a thermal station. When the will also destroy such part of the autonomous body of Damodar Valley work as has already been done. This Corporation were entrusted with the kind of callous indilTerenL’e to this execution of this scheme, tbey start part of Madras State is really of a ed with the erection of the tiier- very culpable nature, and I submit mal station first. Naturally, this that the Central Government having ought to *have come last, but . they sanctioned the scheme, having made thought it wise to start it first. They the Madrai^ Government undertake have progressed to ;i great extent. the execution of the scheme, and Rs. They seem to have already spent 2 cT o res having already been spent, about Rs. 7 or 8 crores on this scheme. it is quite wrong on the part of the I learn it is almost nearing completion. Centre to refuse this monetary help and make the scheme unworkable. This is all that I have to say. Now, I do not want to condemn Shri Ramaseshaiah: rose— this thermal station, but I have a positive suggestion to maKe. From fhe Estfmates Committee Report, it Mr. Chairman: He has got only looks that this thermal station has, seven or eight minutes to speak. on its own merits, some very commend able features about it. I shall just Shri Ramaseshaiah: I will speak refer to a paragraph: within the time, Sir. “The Bokaro thermal station I rise to speak about '.ny cut mo has swallowed practically all the tion regarding the Damodar Valley available finance. Such a power Project. This has been referred to generating station, constructed cn by many hon. Member:;. This pro its own merits, and even without ject seems to be ill-designed and combining it with the Darrodnr badly begun. The dtlcct in Valley irrigation and flood the ' scheme arose iike (his. It control scheme has much to com was originally designed as a scheme mend it. It would have earned of flood control which naturally led its Way and could have supplied to irrigation also. Flood and irriga cheap electricity. Its financial tion go together and it was ciuite return alone has to save the natural that the authorities who had Corporation as a whole in what to control the flood by constructing may be termed as the ‘short run’.” bunds across the streams wanted to divert the water for purposes of irri Sir. this would naturally letve us gation. But when they thought of with the impression that this thermal bunding up the rivers, the idea of station is more important and more converting the scheme into a hydro useful than the hydro-electric scheme. electric scheme seems to have dawn Luckily, the hydro-electric scheme ed upon them. This hydro-electric has not yet been started. The scheme has therefore come as a thermal station is already reaching corollary to the flood control and completion and it has a capacity to irrigation schemes and It was includ produce 200,000 K.W. My proposi ed in the major scheme. But in the tion under the circumstances is this: course of investigation it was dis Whether it is worthwhile to pursue covered that the Damodar river and the hydro-electric scheme when we its tributaries could supply maximum have a thermal station which can water only for three months in the produce 200,000 K.W. which is more year for the hydro-electric scheme. dependable and also which can supply That is, their supply of water for the electricity very cheap. I only wanted maximum production of power un to refer to this and suggest to the der the scheme would be only for hon. Minister, that the scheme may three months in the year, i.e., July be revised. Future work on the Damodar tb September. Therefore, .they had Valley Project may be confined only to think of an alternative source of to the flood control and irrigation oor- supply for the remaining 9 months. tions of the scheme. If this l|i done, Government in the usual course we will save a lot of time, and the 232^ General Budget — 20 JLTNE 1952 Demands for Grants 233 0 Government will save a huge sums ties all tha way and finally also supply of money. I am sur« tlie project drinking water to the city of Madras. can then be completed in one or li With so many possibilities, with such years. Otherwise, along with the potentialities, I request that the Gov hydro-electric project, it will take ernment may think of this scheme lour or five years, and also the cost along "With the other river valley pro of the scheme may go beyond Rs. 100 jects. crores. It may even go beyond Rs. 120 crores. 1 therefore suggest that the hydro-electric portion of the ^ 3PR scheme may be dropped and only the flood control and irrigation and na aTTT^fr fi^rsrrT f t ?ft ^ qVo % r»T3rf- vigation portions of the scheme may be taken up and completed soon. Some hon. Member was referring to «fl 5ft 951^ H ^ the Krishna Pennar project. Where is another better scheme on the Kii.shna River which is gaining currency as Nandikonda Project? Kistna River, ^ # ...... hon. Members will be interested to know, is the third biggest river in India. It is eight times as big as the Damodar River, and I am suggesting fShri Ganpati Ram (Jaunpur the construction of a dam at Nandi Distt.—East—Reserved—Sch. Castes): konda where the entire river passes Mr. Chairman, Sir, with your permission between two rocks, over :i iccky bed. I would like to draw your attention to This is an ideal place for the construc the scheme that was provided for in tion of a dam of any height. Pro the Five Year Plan for the construc vidence, in her bounty, seems to tion of Rihand dam in Mirzapur have anticipated our Food Problem district of U.P., for the eastern and provided a natural site for a districts...... J mighty River Valley Scheme. On account of this rocky bed and also on Mr. Chairman: The hon. Member account of the river passing through can discuss it on the day of the debate two rocks, the construction o( the on planning if he gets a chance. So dam would be cheap, easy and also far as the discussion of tnis subject is very quick, and I learn that when the concerned, I think it is closed except whole scheme is completed, it would for the reply of the hon. Minister in ultimately supply water to 10 million charge on 2nd July. acres of land. The Southern canal can be taken up to Madras for about The House then adjovmed to a 300 miles on a contour^ irrigating the Quarter Past Eight of the Clock on fields and giving navigational facili Monday the 23rd June, 1952.iRT t I ^Tppftq- by the Planning Commissj.on in their Five Year Plan. But SiY*, I rc-ret to have to say that Chambal Scheme in Madhya Bharat and Raja.sthan is the ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ STM only scheme which has not been includ ed in the Five Year Plan. Construc t ^ ^ ^ Pt^T* j f To qt tion work on this scheme is under way 2293 General Budget — 20 JUNE 1952 Demands for Grants 2290
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