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First Evidence Session YND0014 Transcript of the Transport Committee Engagement event with young people as part of their Young and Novice Driver’s Inquiry. Wednesday 23 September 2020, 09:30-11:00 14 attendees from 4 colleges Altrincham Grammar Girls School Hedya Ghasami Emily Robertson Helena Rayers Victoria Armstrong Maria MacLeod-Straker Barnsley College Frankie Jane Donaghy-Roering Harvey Hawksby Sophie Britton Harris Academy Chafford Hundred Chloe McLoughlin Sophie Walker Queen Elizabeth’s School Jack Lees Freya Jones Mia Hodge Alex Gaskell Chair: Welcome to all of the students and also to all the Members of the Transport Select Committee. My name is Huw Merriman I’m the Chair of the Transport Select Committee and I’m the Member of Parliament for Bexhill and Battle Constituency in East Sussex. You’re all very welcome this morning. We on the Transport Select Committee are responsible for scrutinising policy and performance of the transport sector, with regard to government and then the agencies and all the operators. What we do is we have inquiries and we hold evidence sessions, with witnesses and experts, and you’re our witnesses and experts today. We then come up with recommendations and reports, and with those recommendations the government is required to either accept them or reject them and explain, with evidence, why they’re not accepting them. We would like to hope that we’re a force for good, force for change, to do better in the transport sector. And that goes all the way across transport so rail, bus, road, maritime, aviation; we’ve just done a large report on aviation and what’s happening to our airlines and airports from the coronavirus pandemic. This session is not related to coronavirus, so it’s nice to have something that’s not directly related to the pandemic, it’s all about young and novice drivers. We’re interested in the risks that young drivers face, the fact that you’re more likely to be involved in collisions and also the cost to you with regard to insurance. Another aspect is the social mobility so for those of you that perhaps are in more rural settings, or even in urban settings, if you haven’t got a car, or use of car, does that hold you back in terms of your ability to interact, to get work experience, to earn money and then how does that impact on your life chances. That’s a particular focus for us, not least because the bus service is not as it was when I was your age. That’s our inquiry that we’re looking at. We’ve had a whole series of witnesses come before us. The first session we were quite struck; we had two fathers who’d lost their daughters through road collisions. One was a pedestrian just walking home from her ballet class and she was killed when a young driver mounted a pavement and the other gentlemen his daughter was lost when there were five cars speeding on a motorway, all with young drivers, and she was with her mum and her sister and she lost her life. So they’re campaigners for more road safety improvements. We also had organisations including Brake, who are the lead organisation for road safety, and they were virtually YND0014 calling for more restrictions and that’s what we want to talk to you about today. What I want to do now is to ask each of the student groups to introduce themselves and then I’m going to ask my Members to come on and introduce themselves as well. Let’s start with Harris Academy Chafford Hundred. I’m going to ask Sophie to introduce yourself and your college: Sophie W: I’m Sophie and this is Chloe and we’re from Harris Academy Chafford Hundred. Chair: Thanks. Let’s go to Altrincham Girl’s School and Hedya. Hedya: Hi I’m Hedya and we are Altrincham Girls Grammar School in Manchester. This is Helena, Emily, Maria and Victoria. Chair: Welcome to all five of you. Next, I’ll go to Queen Elizabeth’s College and Jack Jack: Hi I’m Jack from Queen Elizabeth’s College and this is Freya, Mia and Alex. Chair: And then last but not least Barnsley College. So Harvey Harvey: Hello I’m Harvey. We’ve got Sophie and Frankie Chair: Now we’re going to ask Members of the Select Committee to introduce themselves. We’re a cross party group of MPs so we’re represented by Conservative MPs, Labour MPs and the SNP from Scotland as well. We work collaboratively together and hopefully that will be exemplified when the Members introduce themselves. Ruth Cadbury: I’m Ruth Cadbury, I was elected in 2015 as the Labour MP for Brentford and Isleworth which is in West London. Greg Smith: Good morning I’m Greg Smith and I’m the Conservative MP for the Buckingham constituency which is 335 square miles of North Buckinghamshire and I was elected for the first time last December. Lilian Greenwood: Hi I’m Lilian and I’m Labour MP for Nottingham South Simon Jupp: I’m the new MP for East Devon which is of course the best county in Britain. Chris Loder: Good morning I’m Chris Loder the Conservative MP for West Dorset. Gavin Newlands: Good morning and thank you for joining us. I’m the MP for Paisley and Renfrewshire North and elected in 2015. Karl McCartney: I’m Karl McCartney Member of Parliament for Lincoln in sunny Lincolnshire. First elected in 2010, lost in 2017 and re-elected in 2019. Robert Largan: I’m Robert Largan MP for High Peak Chair: We do have two other Members, but I’m afraid they can’t be with us they are Grahame Morris and Sam Tarry who are both Labour MPs. I think I’m right in saying that all the Members are all in Parliament, but due to COVID restrictions we can’t all be in the same room. The first thing we want to discuss with you is your driving, your experience and a bit about how you feel about driving matters. And then in our second session we’re going to go through our policy recommendations. What I hope we can do is have a really good discussion, the Members will ask you questions, do give us your views. It’s vital for us when we finally make the recommendations that we don’t just listen to organisations, perhaps with people who have been driving for longer, giving their views on what should happen to you and your generation. We actually want to hear YND0014 from you, so that you can tell us if you want more restrictions on your driving, or fewer restrictions, or things to stay as they are. Also, whether you think it’s too costly in terms of insurance and what more can be done with technology. We’re really interested in your views. (0:09:30) Chair: Let’s start with the obvious question. If I go to each of the schools and you can tell me if you’re actually driving or learning to drive at the moment. So Harris Academy, Sophie do you want to tell us if you’re learning: Sophie W: I’ve started learning to drive Chloe: I’ve only just started to this week. Chair: Sophie when you started were you impacted by the COVID restrictions in your ability to take lessons? Sophie W: Not really because I started last year. Chair: So you both have driving experience. I should declare an interest I’m actually teaching my eldest daughter to drive at the moment which makes for an interesting experience. Altrincham, how about yourselves? Hedya: (beginning unclear) I’m learning to Emily: I’m learning to drive and should hopefully be able to take my test in November. That’s booked. Helena: I’m currently learning to drive. Maria: I’m learning to drive. I’ve had a few lessons. Victoria: I’m learning as well. Chair: So, so far all of you are learning. Let’s keep this going so Queen Elizabeth’s College Jack: I’m learning to drive as well Freya: No, I’m not learning. Mainly because of the practicalities of not being able to keep a car at university otherwise I think I would be learning. Mia: I can’t learn to drive as I’m not old enough but as soon as I’m 17 I will be learning how to. I can’t wait. Alex: Yeah, I’m the same as Mia I can’t learn to drive yet but I have driven before on private land so I do know how to use a car. Chair: One of the things we’re going to be asking you is whether you should be able to learn to drive earlier than 16 so you might have an interest in that. Finally, Barnsley College. Harvey: I’m learning to drive and I started three weeks ago Sophie B: I’m not learning to drive yet because I can’t really afford to own and run a car and I intend to go to a university where there will be good public transport. Frankie: I’ve only been taking informal lessons with my parents so not really learning to drive with an actual instructor. YND0014 Chair: Could I ask you why that is? Is that down to cost? Frankie: It’s cheaper with my parents. Chair: So that’s an interesting spread. Bar a couple of exceptions all of you are either learning to drive right now or will do so when you get to the age you can so that makes for an interesting take.
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